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Hey everybody. Tim O. From the Bulwark. I'm in New York for MSNBC and decided while I was here that I should do some political anthropology. Going to the Lion's Den a little bit. And so I visited the guys over at Barstool Sports for folks who don't know Barstool, unbelievably popular site that began as sports but now does sports, culture, some politics, reality shows, bunch of stuff. And yeah know they tend to have a reputation as being fratty. Some of their biggest names like Dave Portnoy had interviewed the President Trump and, and they've got some prominent folks that are pretty maga and, and so a lot of times people in democratic world look at Barstool and see it as, you know, I don't know what would be the pejorative. Just a bunch of, a bunch of fucking dude bros who just care about tits and, and are kind of crass and are not natural allies to the Democrats. And I, I've just, I can, I just reject that worldview. I, I always have. I think that a lot of these guys were Obama voters and I think that it's incumbent on the Democrats to try to get them back. And it doesn't mean that they just got to prioritize frat bros over every other demo, but it does mean that there's got to be like a concerted effort to reach out to them. Just like there was a concert of effort to reach out to any demographic. And so I went over there chat with this guy, kfc, Kevin Quincy. And KFC is one of the more visible guys over there and he had did this really compelling Instagram pushing back against the FCC efforts to bully stations into not carrying Kimmel. And, and I kind of did a deep dive on this and educated a lot of his followers about like the corruption that was really at play here in addition to the free speech threats. And so I reached out to him and he's like, yeah, come on by. So I was in the Barstool headquarters, you'll see me. I'm in the seat the KFC usually sits in because I'm interviewing him for our channel and I thought it was cool that they hosted us. I was really appreciative and I think this conversation should be a wake up call to a lot of people about a lot of Democrats, that is a lot of people in the pro democracy movement about just how many votes were left on the table by not actually trying to engage with a massive demographic in this country. And so anyway, I think it was interesting to hear KFC's take on what the Democrats could do. We also had some fun at the expense of these fucking free speech comedians who are going over to Saudi Arabia and doing comedy sets that are approved by the crown Prince. And, man, we talked about a wide range of issues. I thought it was gonna be, like, 20 minutes. I think we almost went for an hour. So I hope you guys enjoyed as much as I did. Gonna try to do a series of these, obviously. I talked to Kirk Benahan a couple weeks ago. If you missed that, we'll put a link in the show notes. Hopefully it's as valuable for you as it is for me. And let me know what you think in the comments. Subscribe to the feed. Thanks a bunch again to KFC for being willing to do this and for hosting me. And we'll be talking to y' all soon. All right, guys, this is a new one. I'm doing something different. I'm at Barstool HQ in New York. I didn't think I'd be here. I'm. I'm in the dad chair for the KFC show, and I want to talk politics with him. He's like, come do it in the studio rather than on Zoom. This is way better.
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It's so much better. I would rather, you know, it's. It's our setting and backdrop, but your show. And I'd rather do it in person. I can't. The Zoom, man. We did it when we had to do it. Now everyone who still wants to keep doing Zoom. No, no, it's over.
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I like human contact.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm. I'm a person who enjoys.
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B
If you're having conversations like, yes. You have to.
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Yeah. We got to get people out of the. Off the video game headsets. I'm worried about. I'm worried about our young.
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B
How much, like, people latched on to, like, working from home and doing things remote and, like, did not give it up. You know, like, it's kind of return packed here. Yeah.
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Were there no co? No, Covid.
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B
I mean, we didn't. Yeah. Co doesn't exist. We, you know, we took precautions, but we were back in. In studio. And at least some of us, like, that summer, like, everything kind of. What. Everything popped off right from when turned from 2019 to 2020.
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Yeah.
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By, like, that summer, we were like, all right, we're back.
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Yeah.
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But it also was. There was so few people. It was like, in a weird way, we were still socially distanced. Yeah. Like, our little crew was not socially distancing, but, like, no. One else, you know, so we followed the rules and all that, but we got back to work pretty quickly. So when everyone was. When everyone else, years later, was like, it's time to go back to work, we were like, yeah, but, yeah, we've been here.
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All right, well, this whole thing started because after the Jimmy Kimmel shenanigans where he got bullied by Brendan Carr and. Well, really, he didn't get bullied. I guess Nextar and Disney and stuff were getting bullied by Brendan Carr. A bunch of, like, barstool type folks, comedian folks, free speech guys that had been like, Trumpy or Trump adjacent, like, spoke out like, this is bullshit. And so we did a video about it on this channel that included your. Included, like, a pretty detailed breakdown that you did.
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B
Yeah.
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And I was like, man, this guy, like, is actually doing, like, this is not just vibes, actual research about the way that. Because a lot of my viewers, I'm just gonna be honest, like, they stereotype you, all right? And they're like, it's dumb fucking bros. And they just want to say pussy. And, like, that's the only reason that they like Trump. And there's maybe a little bit of that. But, like, you're out here going, no, like, what's happening here is they want a merger and the federal government is cracking down on free speech, you know, as part of, like, a corrupt deal. And, like, that anybody that is for free speech should be against that and kind of broke down, like, the nextar side of it and what they're trying to. What they're trying to do in the merger and, like, that can. What, what, like, inspired you to, like, go so deep on that?
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B
Well, so I, I, first of all, I got a kick out of when you guys talked about it. A bunch of people sent it to me being like. And, and I know that it was not meant in, like, a, a derogatory way, but it was like, this guy is floored that you can put together a human thought.
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A
I was floored that you read. It seemed like you read actually, like, you didn't even.
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B
Well, so what happened was I, I am about as in the middle as you can get. And so I, there are people that I, I, I describe it as. There are people I hate on both sides. That's really what it comes down to. Jimmy Kimmel, I don't really care for him. I find him to be almost as. Not as bad as. I just feel like he's the other side that creates division and arguing. And so whatever. I have my issue with Him. When it first happened, I didn't. I didn't know about the government. I didn't know about the mergers, all that. So I thought of a point of view of just like, yeah, this guy, like, he's an asshole. Fuck him. That sort of reaction.
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His ratings suck.
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B
Yeah. And I just, you know, I don't care for. I have a problem in general with how everybody, comics, hosts, everything has been politicized.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So that bothers me. And. But that's just a personal opinion I have. And that was my take on. It was just my personal opinion. Then I. I learned, because, you know, the videos I do are usually just like, reactionary. And then I learned about the merger and the FCC and everything. And I've also very pretty recently, almost had this epiphany of like, if I'm wrong, I'm going to say it. If I don't know something, I'm going to say it. I'll. And I don't think of that as flip flopping or backtracking. So I was just like, I made a video and I sounded like an. And I was totally wrong. And so you might be as well. You might be as well. So here are, like, the facts. And I. So I felt, you know, really compelled to make sure I clean cleaned up what I said. Which is annoying, though, because, you know, the first video did like a million views, and this other one does half a million. And I was like, there's like 500,000 people out there who. I only saw that a bit.
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A
Well, we. You had some new people on my channel that didn't see the first video. So there you go. All right, all right.
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B
So even out.
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A
Yeah. What, like, what was the response you got to that? Like, were people pissed at you?
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B
Yeah. It's funny. I mean, because I'm in the middle, like, I'll. I do videos one way or the other, sympathizing, hating, whatever. And every time I do that, you know, I lose a bunch of followers over here, gain a bunch of followers over there. People get very confused by me. They're all like, I get a lot of messages being like, so what are you. Are you liberal? Are you conservative? I'm like, this is the problem, first of all, that you feel the need to, like, press me and find out. And you can't just have opinions in general. But. So the reaction was like, when I. When I put up the first video, there was a bunch of people being like, yeah, Kimmel. And. And then I put out the second video, and people are like, no, no, no, this is still, you know, whatever. So it's, it's a mixed bag when, when. Because there's just too many people on each side to piss off. Like, every time it feels. It's often why I try to avoid politics from a, like, a business point of view. I'm like, there's not much to gain here.
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A
You just, like, can't do it now. It's interesting. Like, there are a lot of guys like you, like Clay Travis used to be in this boat who used to say, like, we just got to get politics out of sports. And now there's a lot of, like, middle of the road, maybe center. Right. You'd say folks that are like, I don't love that. They got like, end racism in the end zone. And like, we're just, we're having to. That stuff is getting so politicized. And it's like this, the stance for a while then was like, we need to get politics out of sports. And now I feel like Trump won again. And like, these guys, types of guys who used to say that are like, now, like, popping their chest up and we need, we need, like, Charlie Kirk memorials outside the stadium. You know, know, like, we want, we need the flyovers.
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B
We want your politics out of sports. But my politics put it everywhere.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I, this is my problem with, with the whole scene right now, from comics to guys like Clay Travis to whoever. I think I know that world enough. I don't know all these people personally or individually, but I, I in general, I think, understand. I think all those guys are worried about how many tickets they're selling, how many followers they're getting, how many views they're getting in the algorithm. And politics has become a way that, and I think that's where you. It's dangerous where at the end of the day, if ever this, like, crazy political wave ends, those guys are on to the next thing that will benefit them professionally.
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Yeah.
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Some of them probably have, like, real ideals, real thoughts, and, and it matters to them, but I think a lot of them are just like, this is benefiting me right now. And that's where I think we run into. The issue is like, do you actually care about this stuff or is it just you're going to get a lot of attention and you can benefit personally and professionally from that. That. That's the issue.
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A
The more aggro, the more attention.
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B
Yes. So.
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A
So it's, like, escalating.
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B
Yeah. And. And I think at least, I mean, politics has always been corrupt and there's plenty of bad people and, and all that. But I do think, you know, several years ago, I guess a long time ago now, the people really involved in it, actual politicians, and then the people who are discussing it and engaged in it, actually care about the issues and the substance. And I don't think that's the case anymore.
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A
All right, I want to run through a couple of the issues, but just to, like, baseline for people. So you say you're in the middle. You hate people on both sides. So, like, who'd you vote for?
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B
Okay, you're going to hate me for this. I didn't vote.
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You didn't vote? No. I mean, no. Actually, that goes again, that goes. Don't. Literally one of my big shticks right now is that we need more of the bros who don't pay attention to politics to just not vote.
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B
Yes.
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Nothing wrong with voting.
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B
So I used to be like, no.
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Shame in not voting if you don't feel like you're, you know, I never.
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B
Voted because I was like, I'm not informed enough. I don't know. I shouldn't be, I shouldn't be influencing this, you know, And I used to kind of be, like, embarrassed of that. And I know, you know, there are people who are like, it's all right. And there are people who don't have this right. And, and by you not exercising it, you're, like, spitting all this stuff that I understand where that's coming from. Never more so now than ever. Like, I feel vindicated in being like this. You know what I mean?
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Like, so you have never voted or you just didn't vote this time? You've never voted a single time? No. Really? Like, you're not registered. You don't know how to vote. You've never, you've not been curious, like, what happens behind the curtain?
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I, I am.
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A
Yeah.
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No, I, I, I genuinely think that, like, and I'm sure you're probably like, why am I sitting down with this guy now?
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This is great.
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B
I like my.
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You're the representative of the people. That's why I'm sitting down with you. And you know, well, that is immediate. You're a median voter. Stand in I, I media non voter. I guess. Yeah.
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B
I would, I would say, I believe that, like, the, the people who should vote.
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A
Yeah.
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Is like a very.
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A
Okay. Going back to the 1700s.
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B
Yeah. And I know, like, why we can't do that. But I'm just like everything else in the world that really matters. You need to, like, study, pass a test, be, you know, like, have a certification, have knowledge and and then there's this.
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A
Who would you have voted for, do you think? If you had to. If you got to. If you were the king, you were.
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B
The chooser, and you got in his last election.
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A
Yeah.
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God damn that. I mean, it is truly, like, I would be. I would not feel good either way. I really. I really had my deep issues both ways.
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A
Pressure's on.
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B
I would say, though. I'm like, I. When you say center right, I would be center left.
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Okay, so you would have been. You would have picked Kamala.
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B
I really. I'm not. I'm not trying to cop out here. I, like, genuinely, that's pretty concern. In good conscience say that I would vote for her.
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A
Yeah. Why?
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I. I think that. Again, my limited knowledge, but, like, I think she was not. They hid her for, like, three years, and then we're like, no, no, wait. She's the best thing in the world. And I was like, I. She was so such a ghost for the rest of that administration to then have them turn around and try to shove that down our throats and, like, look how much money she raised. It's like, none of that is indicative of anything.
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Don't apologize for this. This is actually, like, really important and something I talk about a lot. Like, if you identify as a center left person, whatever that means to you, and you have issues with Trump, you don't like Trump, and you're kind of in this sort of cultural. You. That's a little more. Right, right. And, like, you didn't have confidence enough to say, like, I definitely would want Kamala over him. Like, that's a failing of Kamala, not you. Right. Like, I mean, you probably have some moral failings as well. We'll get into this later. But, like, that's a strategic failing of Kamala.
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B
Right?
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Yeah. And, like, they need. And in this world, like, in 2024, 2025, like, you cannot run the 1990 strategy. You know what I mean? Where you're hiding and you're just giving big speeches and whatever. Like, people want to be able to feel you and know you and have confidence in you, and they didn't have confidence in her enough to put it out there.
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B
What? Really?
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A
I think she would have been fine, actually. But we will never know. I don't know. I mean, I got to spend some time with her. I think that she's cautious. She's a cautious person by nature.
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Yeah.
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Some of that might be being a black woman and kind of be out there and just the kind of heat you get.
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Y.
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She also is cautious for, you know, there are other black women that are in public space that aren't that cautious. Right. So it's not all identity, but like, she was. She definitely was cautious. But if you got time with her, like, she wasn't stupid. I mean, she became the vice president. You know what I mean? But, like, you got to demonstrate that to people.
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It's a very funny thing when. When I. When you hear, like, regular, average people who are absolutely stupid claiming that some. Any of these people are like idiots. You know, it's like they. You're talking about people who are very successful or lawyers or whatever that, like, okay, maybe they're not the smartest, maybe you don't agree with them, but you can't be like, these people are trash, off the street idiots. You know, I just felt like. So wait, you're saying you think if she had more than what was 107 days or whatever?
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I don't think. No, I don't think more days. I just. I think they should have put her out. Like, she did good at. Well, let me see what you think. What did you think about the one debate with Trump between her and Trump?
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I thought she did good.
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A
Yeah.
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Yeah. I thought that was the first time that, like, I was like, oh, okay, you can kind of stand on your own.
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So this is what I was saying at the time is that, like, Trump said he'd do another debate only on Fox, and people were like, no, I'm not going to do that. Fuck, that will be biased. I'll be like, no, actually, if she should have said, yeah, go into Fox, if you beat him on Fox, then all of a sudden becomes hard for, like, somebody like you to be like, oh, they're hiding her. She's done.
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She went away game and on his turf.
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Right. So that would have help. And I think she should have done more podcasts, more. And she did that one with what's his name, Stephen Jackson, a couple of the basketball guys. Yeah, the smoke Y. That was fine. And that was fine. I listened to it. But like, you know, and then she did the one with the call. Call her daddy gal. But like, that was very scripted.
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That's the problem is they. They. It was a very much a half measure. It's like they, they picked and choose where she was going to go and what they're going to talk about, how they're going to do it. And it's a. It's a fine line for me because part of me thinks I don't want podcasts and comedy and all that at all influencing this.
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Yeah.
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But it's also the nature of the, of the world now. You know, I can't put my head in the sand, so you gotta go. She had, she. If she had to do Rogan, she had to do it. She had to do those things that. Because it's almost.
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You can't be scared of Theo guy. He's just a.
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B
He's not gonna like grill you.
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You're gonna know enough to grill you. Like, God love him. You know what I mean?
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B
But that and that to me, it's not even necessarily what you say or do in those interviews. Like, I don't really. I can't think of any moments from the Trump Rogan sit down that like mattered. It was just that he did it and he showed the ability to just.
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A
Here's the other thing.
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B
It makes for three hours.
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A
Yeah. So if you're out there. I kept saying this the time about the people at the Trump Rogan thing, because he did. There were some like dumb clips that like, people in my world, like, anti Trump world, like, we jump on. Yeah. Jumped on those clips. Here's a dumb thing. And they were dumb. They weren't so dumb that I can remember what they were now. Right. But like, they weren't great. But I watched the whole thing and I was like, if you're one of these people that's like just a Rogan guy. Right. Which is like culturally conservative. I didn't, I don't like, I didn't like some of the COVID you know, lockdown stuff. But like, you know, I'm cool with gays and I'm not, I'm not for all this massive. You know what I mean? Like that type of guy. And you have people out there telling you Trump's a Nazi, like, Trump is going to be a fascist. Trump's a total lunatic. He's going to end the democracy. And then you're like, you sit there and watch him with Rogan for three hours and they like you just like normal. Yeah. And you're just kind of like, I don't know, man. Like he beat expect like the expectations were set for him.
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B
Yes.
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A
In a way that like allowed him to succeed in that environment.
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B
I think the number one thing that is appealing about Trump to non political people is the non politics of it all. Like, he does speak like a normal human.
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A
Yeah.
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And that comes at times, a lot of times it can come across as like uneducated or sounds stupid or whatever. But it's not robotic and it's not. You don't think you're just getting a canned response jammed down your throat. I would love that about him if it didn't come with a lot of other problematic shit.
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A
So what don't you like about him?
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B
I think he. Much like. I think he's in it for the wrong reasons is ultimately what it comes down to. I think he's just. It's insane to me that some of these people who, like Donald Trump would, like, spit on and wouldn't give them, you know, a sip of water if they were dying in the desert, think that he represents them and. And he speaks for them.
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A
And so you're talking about, like, how, like, the corruption stuff, like the crypto cash and the. In the putting his name on golf courses and wants to be on Mount Rushmore. Like, you're talking about, like, the narcissism stuff.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I think it's. It's about money and power and success for him. And it happens to be that becoming the president is the biggest display of those things. You know, once he conquered real estate and then reality tv, you just need to keep going. And that ended up being the president. I don't think he really cares about the issues one way or the other. I think if he thought he could win an election by being liberal, he would do that, too. Like, I think he just goes wherever the money is. I. I mean, I'm sure some of these issues he cares about. He's an old white man, and they had. They're set in their ways, but I think he's just an opportunist. And, like.
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So, like, we're like, nine months in, like, just the actual, like, policy stuff. Is there anything that you've done, like, that's really good or that fucking sucks like, that. That really pissed me off. I.
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B
Immigration stuff is weird for me. Like, I try not to. You know, it's. I think it's very different depending on where you live in the country. You know what I mean? Like, to me, I'm like, what's the problem? And I'm sure if you live in a border state, you're like, there's a problem. I. It's the ICE stuff bothers me.
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The masks.
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What's that?
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A
The masks. Like, that they're in masks and, like, hassling people.
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B
Yeah, I think. I think that's. I. I don't think you need to be, like, ripping families apart. And I almost feel like they are, like, seeking that out in a way. You know, it's like, control the border. Everyone's got to be legal. I Understand that. But the method for which you're, you're going about it drives me bonkers. And then also this isn't, I mean my, I have a, my. If there was like one issue that I would really latch on to. School shootings, guns. That drives me like insane. And I know there hasn't been anything specifically policy wise about that, but I just feel like that's like an issue of mine with the right is they're.
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Not even trying to solve it.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean it's insane to me. I think it's so beyond politics, parties, all that and the fact that there is like I'm always. I know it's a new one. I don't believe that. But I understand in a country this size that there's, it's going to be borderline impossible to try to enforce some of these things and you can argue all the elements insides of it. But I'm like, can we try?
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A
Yeah.
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You know, and if I'm wrong somehow, fine, you can go back to the way it was. So that, that would be politically like where I get hung up. Although I know that hasn't been like the focus of, of this administration.
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A
Good stuff.
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B
Good stuff.
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A
What do people like?
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B
But I also, by the way, I.
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Wouldn'T necessarily say that about like the anti. What like they like that there's no more DEI hiring. I don't know. Do you care about that? But like people, people would say that. They would say the border is good.
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B
I, I think the DEI stuff is like if it's done appropriately, I think it's a good thing. And if it's done inappropriately, it's like almost any other issue in the world.
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A
But yeah, economy. How. How are you feeling about.
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B
I, maybe I'm wrong on this. Do you. I feel like the economy is independent of the president in general. And I feel like you get, you get all the credit when it's good and you get all the blame when it's bad. But I don't think, I think that's usually true.
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A
I think the tariff thing has been a pretty different example because it's just like kind of random.
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B
The terrorist is another one where it's like, would I love for America to be like self sufficient and have everything? Yes. But like can you just throw a 80% tax on it and make it happen overnight? Probably not.
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A
So as a, as a stand in for your fellow middle of the road white bros, do you think that your immigration thoughts is representative? I don't know because like one. I asked this because of this, like, a lot of Democrats are kind of scared to talk about immigration because they've, like, internalized that, like, Biden up the border, which he did, and that immigration's winning issue for Trump. And so they shouldn't talk about it because it's like, it's a loser for them. And I'm kind of like, I don't know, man. I think that, like, most media middle the road. People don't want mass dudes taking people that are gardening.
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B
I think you're in the van crazy if you think that. Like, I think you're an absolute batshit crazy person if, like, that's good. So, by the way, just before we speak specifically on that, what you just described, I think, is the problem with everything. Like, I go back to politics used to be people who actually cared about the issues. So if a guy that you don't like or you want to lose agrees with you on an issue or does something that benefits that issue, you should be able to say, like, that's a good thing to ignore. If something good is happening in immigration, and you're just like, okay, well, we can't talk about that because that's a point for him. When one of your ideologies or tenants or beliefs is that thing.
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A
Yeah.
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B
That to me, is almost the root of all of these problems, is it's. It's. I've been saying that politics has become like sports. You have a fan of one team and a fan of the other team.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And when I'm a sports fan, I'm irrational and illogical because we're just talking about sports.
- [23:28]
A
Yeah. Right.
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B
If I tell you that the Yankees suck when they're in the World Series, like, obviously that's not true, but I'm gonna. I'll argue every angle I possibly can because at the end of the day, this doesn't really matter. When you apply that same ladies in.
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A
Florida Gators hats outside Tiger Stadium. I don't care. You are my enemy if you're in blue and orange.
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B
Exactly. And so. But when you apply that same fanaticism of sports to issues of, like, life and death or, you know, families and all that, that's a big problem. As far. And as far as the actual immigration stuff. Yeah. Like, I mean, in my experience, I love Mexican people. They work so hard and are so polite. They do all the stuff that I can't do and don't know how to do.
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A
I love them Birria tacos. So hot right now. Everybody's into beeria. But.
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B
But I. I also understand that.
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A
Do you think that's representative or do you think there's like, I don't know, man. You're walking out there like I was walking through the, like how many of those people were like, hell yeah, get them out.
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B
I, by the way, in general, I can only speak for barstool. I don't know about the rest of the manosphere. I would say 99 of people here are liberal.
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A
Liberal, yes. In the sense that like they're not like, I want mass deportations and I, no, I gave people to not get married.
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B
I think like, hell, I think straight up liberal. Like in every sense of the word. How they voted, what they believe in. I think you'll get a lot of. I'm.
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A
Why do you think the perception is otherwise?
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B
I think Dave is probably, yeah, you know, leans more right. But like Dave, a lot of people here are your typical, I'm socially liberal, fiscally conservative, which is I think the most like basic kind of cop out.
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A
Thing in the world are out there. You think?
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B
I would, I, I, I really think that like the best, More than half. Yes, yes.
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A
Really?
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B
Would you agree with that, Jackie?
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A
I would 1000%.
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B
Like, Dave is a big, A big part of it. And then like Jack Mack, there's another guy, Jack Mack, we make fun of him because he, him. I would say if I was really to list off like the conservatives, I could probably name it on one hand and I can like specifically think of who it is. And they're all by the way like normal conservatives. They're not fucking crazy people like Trump MAGA freaks. But we make fun of, we call Jack Mac, I call him a proud boy, like being very exaggerating and he's not one. But to the point that the people who are, or at least are publicly so are pretty much the vast, vast minority.
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A
This is important though, because it is true. Tell me if this is wrong. You guys. Tell me if it's wrong. Like, okay, out of that demo though, people work here, but also like super fans. People engage with all this stuff. Right? Like, well, that's. Obama did way better than Kamala though.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like there was, there was drop off.
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B
Like Democrat swinging back.
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A
There's. There was less excitement about maybe even though they voted for. There's less excitement about it. There's more, you know, maybe people sitting right. Is that not right?
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B
Like, oh yeah, I would agree with that for sure.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. And so like that to me means that like these are gettable people, both that work here, but also. Oh yeah, kind of in the consuming of the content that are gettable that they're just not getting.
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B
That's probably the best way to describe it. Like, I, I, I don't know everybody's politics, but I do know that I very few are like, entrenched in their beliefs one way or the other, to be honest. And, and are gettable is like, that should be the, the campaign slogan for the next evergreen 2028 gettable.
- [26:50]
A
So like you, so you were like the ringer rivalry here. Can I bring up the Simmons that's that touchy Simmons had the thing always where he's like, the NFL coach should have a, have like a kid that plays video games on the sidelines next to him all the time. Just like, is this thing I'm doing stupid? Like, you know, because kids that are playing a lot of hours of video games, you know, can give you a common sense suggestion. It's like if you were just brought in to like a Democratic campaign, it's just like white guy, common sense director. Like, that's your only job.
- [27:21]
B
I've said this before. I want to be the director of common sense for the White House.
- [27:24]
A
What would you tell them? What would you tell whoever it is so the next Democrat that they should do to get to get more guys like you?
- [27:30]
B
I'm, I'm like going through this in real time because I know the typical trope is the left needs to find their version of Joe Rogan. That said so much. Right. First of all, it was Joe Rogan. Yeah, right. Like you had him and you blew it, lost it however you want it. Rogan's an interesting one because I think he's a political guy, but like, because of his success, almost like, I think there's a world where he would have just kept talking about aliens and weird shit, but he became so big and radicalized. Yeah, yeah. And then I also can understand from his point of view at least like when CNN puts up a video where they change the color of your face and they're trying to with you, that's what breeds like, okay, we'll you right back. And that's how we get in this. That's like my A lesser scale with Kimmel. And these guys, when you throw shots, they throw shots back. And, and even what you mentioned before, the worst thing that I think the Democratic Party did was calling Trump and everyone Nazis because it makes you be.
- [28:26]
A
Like, but Trump calls Democrats evil. Why does he get away with that? But the Democrats don't get away with it.
- [28:31]
B
Well, he's got the seat right now. Yeah, I agree that that's, that's a double standard that shouldn't exist. But I do think in order to like beat this.
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A
Yeah.
- [28:39]
B
I don't know if engaging in there.
- [28:41]
A
So you tell them like what? Like, would it be changing issues or just be like talk more normal. Oh, stop saying woke words like.
- [28:47]
B
Yeah, I mean, like, I also believe that I don't even know if you do need to like, find your Rogan because then I think you're engaging in this back and forth. I would say. I think the. The biggest problem is if you were to generalize. I think like the right is assholes and the left is. Are.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I think people would rather be an asshole than be a pussy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I think you need to make it kind of figure out a way to combat that. Like lib cuck, woke pussy, soy boy, beta whatever.
- [29:17]
A
So I'm not the person to put. I'm not the savior then. Yeah. Well, I own my lib cuck soy boy.
- [29:23]
B
Before any of this is, by like 10, 15 years ago, me and my co host, we, when alpha became a thing, we were like, we're beta boys. We are the beta boys. Like we are in our feelings. I'm not a tough guy. I don't shoot guns. I can't build a fudgeing house. Like, but that's the majority of people, I think. So like, on a specific level, I think you need to somehow. And on like a. Yeah. Kind of specific, like tangible policy level, I think focusing on heavily on trans issues and. And some of these issues that are like so small and insignificant but then become like, in my mind that's what like being a Democrat means now is like some of that extreme stuff that really is not a big enough issue to make your whole party representative that.
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A
So let me just throw out an idea. So you want to butch up like tougher on crime. Stuff like that feels like they're kind of weak. Right. So like that was the 90s Democrats. Right. Like 90s Democrats were tough on crime. Right. You know that stuff kind of changed after 2020, right? Yeah, maybe in like standing up. Standing up to Trump. But like not like name calling him, but like having some fucking backbone like that.
- [30:31]
B
Yes.
- [30:32]
A
What else. How else do you butch up if you're. If you're a liberal, if you're Gavin News, what do Gavin Newsom's doing? Do you like that? Like the trolling shit, it.
- [30:40]
B
The problem with it is it seems like they're not as good at it.
- [30:44]
A
Yeah.
- [30:44]
B
Like when they try to like, he's funny Trump, like, he's good at, like, busting balls.
- [30:50]
A
He's going to point at a hurdle, and you see that he was talking about. He's. Again, it's like, you hate to laugh at this. He's talking about how his election was stolen, which is a lie. But then he's like. He's like, you know a lot about elections. He says, like, that's funny. It's funny.
- [31:04]
B
And like. Like, it's crazy, but, like, the little nicknames and that work, you know? And then I think the Democrats try to, like, go tit for tat, and they're just. They're not as funny, they're not as personable.
- [31:15]
A
Is anybody good? Are there anything good at it? Who could come in here and, like, hang with. With Dave, like, you and Dave and some Dem on the couch?
- [31:23]
B
In terms of, like.
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A
Yeah.
- [31:26]
B
I think Pete Buddha just seems like a normal. Like a regular guy. Yeah. I mean, I don't know enough about him personally, but it seems like he. When he's talking, he's not like a Andrew Schultz. I did not. No, he did.
- [31:37]
A
All right.
- [31:37]
B
But, like, yeah, like, I think from what I did see that he can. He can hang.
- [31:41]
A
Obama.
- [31:42]
B
Obama. I think Obama was like, the difference with Obama and Kamala, I'm speaking, like, it was. It felt like a competence, ability to do the job sort of thing. And again, that's probably sounds so silly for me. Like, again, she's this accomplished woman, but, like, I. They did not instill confidence. That's also a problem. I don't think they have, like, he didn't. Their guy.
- [32:03]
A
I think Obama didn't seem scared.
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B
I get the impression that a lot of these guys are either scared or they're like, I'm not scared, and I'm going to go at him. And it's like. But even by being that flustered or whatever, you're kind of letting him dictate stuff.
- [32:16]
A
You can understand by this conversation with some of our viewers will be like, this is fudgeing. Frustrating. I'm not saying it's your friend, but it's like, it's hard to even pinpoint what it is. Like, there's just like, a sense, like, the vibes are. Yes. The Democrats are pussies.
- [32:28]
B
Yeah.
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A
And. And it's like, it's a little bit hard to pin down.
- [32:31]
B
And I also very much going against.
- [32:34]
A
JD instead of Trump, would that be better? Because JD's kind of a soft boy. Like, he's, like, doughy.
- [32:40]
B
Yeah.
- [32:41]
A
And he's trying hard.
- [32:42]
B
I think they're Gonna have a real problem replacing him because like there are people who say the same things and believe the same shit, but like you can't replace that. You know, I wonder what, how that's going to be or if he even tries to pass the torch. But I, I also really sympathize. I always talk about this with, with Tommy and the pod save guys. Like it's got to be so frustrating when he's given a speech or, or having one of these viral moments where it's like, this is so not presidential. And so I mean like, yeah, I can really understand if you're, if you're like a hardcore liberal just being like, this guy has rape charges or accusations and crime and failure. He can't speak, he can't like all these, yeah. Like all these things that you're just probably like, how is this happening? And you can't even begin to like formulate a plan because it's like so inconceivable. It's like incomprehensible if this is even the battle I have to fight. So I, I really. Frustration.
- [33:40]
A
Sometimes I do feel like, I do feel like, am I really on earth? Sometimes I wake up and I'm like this.
- [33:44]
B
Am I in a simulation plan for a made up.
- [33:48]
A
You know. All right, two other things then we'll just chill. If you have any. If things come up, as director of Common sense, just, you know, text me. You're like, don't do this.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, because sometimes it's easier to have specific examples. I just wanted to pick your brain on like on, on hagset really quick. And then the Saudi thing. So Hegseth gives this speech. Do you see any of it?
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B
I. I've like, yeah, yeah. So clips it.
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A
I watched the whole. So he goes out there, he brings in all the generals, all these gray haired dudes, the dudes that came up with the plan to kill bin Laden. Like people have been around and he's up there and he's just doing like, did you ever see Magnolia? He's doing like that Tom Cruise.
- [34:24]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [34:25]
A
You know, like the Tom Cruise motivational speaker thing. It's just like we're gonna do push ups.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Twice a year. Kill people. We are war fighters. We are lethal. Yeah. And I'm like, okay. Like, to me, like I look at that and I'm like, dude, this is so embarrassing. Like I'm humiliated for the country. But I do wonder if I'm out of touch. Do you like frat bro? So look at that. And like, hell, yeah. You're my frat bro. Translator.
- [34:51]
B
Yeah, but I'm not a frat.
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A
I know. This is your job, though. You're here, they're out there. I walked through, I saw the outfits out there. Do we need to bring one of them?
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B
It is a problem, though, is that, like, I. I get why, but, like, it is a stereotype that I don't think is often that true. I think you go down south and somebody's like, but, like, up. At least up here, I'll look away, talk away, do sports and comedy and all that in a way, but politically is a whole different story. I thought that was weird. As far as I know, that was, like, very unorthodox. Right. That's not like an annual meeting of the generals. That was like, the first time, like, ever, maybe. So that almost gave me pause that I was just like, why the is this even happening? And then. And then seeing what I saw and reading what I read was like, this sounds like some rah rah speech from a guy who's not in the military. And I can't imagine these generals respect him or, like, care about him. I. I'm a firm believer almost at the economy being separate. I feel like the military should be separ. And like, those guys need to do what they do.
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A
This is good. Even though you're not, you know, the stereotypical. Yeah, Tennessee frat bro, it's still makes me feel good, the people. Because I. That's one of those where I feel like I'm doing. Being crazy. I'm like, watching this. I'm like, how is this real life? It was weird. How's this fucking real life?
- [36:05]
B
Yeah. And with really no tangible, specific, like, reason. It was just an overall, like, we're going to be badass. Right? And like, I would hope. I would imagine, and I hope that the top generals are like, is this over yet? So we can go back to work. Like, just do the actual job.
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A
I hope so too. All right. The comedy thing that's happening right now, like, this is another thing that, like, I get frustrated with being an outsider because, like, I am a free speech person. Like, I'm cool with all. Like, I don't. I don't. I didn't. I wasn't. And I thought the kind of. It was overstated, like, the worries about cancel culture on campus and stuff. I was like, I don't know, man. Every time I speak on a campus, they're like conservative dudes there. They feel like they can talk, but even still, like, I want everybody to feel like they can say there's a.
- [36:45]
B
Huge difference between you were on campus and in person. And then on the Internet. I know that's very hard to say with what just happened to Charlie Kirk, but in general, the Internet is where a lot of this divisiveness goes out. And in person, you're.
- [36:55]
A
That's fair. Yeah. So anyway, I guess my point is I want everybody able to speak their mind, even if they have terrible, stupid views. Like, that's fine with me. Like, that this is America. I'm cool with that. Yeah, I'm cool with that. And so I was kind of on the side sometimes of, like, right wing comedian types who are, like, complaining about, like, liberal efforts to, you know, stifle whatever their ability to talk or cancel them or whatever it was. And then, okay, now we fast forward and it's like, the same dudes are going to give a speech in Saudi Arabia where they get a million dollars where there's, like, a contract that, like, lists what they can talk about and can't talk about.
- [37:29]
B
A little bit weird, a little bit contradictory. Yeah.
- [37:31]
A
What the. What is happening?
- [37:33]
B
The. It's a weird one. Like, I think that all these guys got politicized or even in some cases, radicalized, if you want to say that, because of the cancel culture, free speech stuff. And I can understand much like, when CNN was, like, with Rogan, why he would be, like, combative about it. If you feel like your job and your art and your craft is being threatened and then there's a party and a person who's like, we got your back, you're gonna go that way. So I get that. I find it tough that a lot of those guys turned around, like when they were threats of war and the Epstein stuff, and then they were like, whoa, wait a minute. This is not what I voted for. And then there's a whole bunch of people, like, we told you, dude, like, if the whole world was duped, okay, yeah, you know, we voted for a guy and he became a dictator. We didn't see it coming when 50 of the people were like, he's gonna bait and switch you. And then you're like, he bait and switch me. I can understand why they, you know, they don't deserve the sympathy for that. And, you know, I. I think Theo is. Is, like, probably the best example. I think Theo, again, I don't know him personally. This is my thoughts. I think he got in over his head. Like, I think way over his head. I think that these guys. I think it's very hard. If I was Bigger than I am. I'd be like, I want to talk about politics. I want to talk about everything. I mean, yes, but, but we're talking about guys who like, literally influence the election. I'm not on that level. It's hard to be like, I'm going to talk about this stuff. Hey, it's just my podcast. I talk about whatever I want to talk about. At some point it's like, no, you are big. You're so big. You have to consider the possibility that ICE is going to take your liking and take your likeness and make a promo video.
- [39:05]
A
You have the Amish kid on the pod. Do whatever you want, right? You don't need to ask her hard follow up questions. You have the Vice President of the United States on the po. Like, he's lying to you. Like, you gotta do the job. You gotta do the job.
- [39:15]
B
Seeing the Nelk boys doing Netanyahu, these things that are like so crazy. So then I think that all kind of ties into the idea of free speech and doing whatever you want. But yeah, it gets to be a little dicey when it's like, okay, these guys are now telling you what you can and can't do.
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A
And I mean, if you just, just like, if we do this, like, hypothetical if, if like Gavin Newsom, like some big liberal tech guys, Soros and Gavin Newsom were like, we want to rehab the Democratic brand. We want. We're going to pay the biggest comedians a million bucks to come and do our comedy festival in Berkeley or whatever. The only thing is, here's the contract. Like, you can't use gendered words, right? So if you have to say, you have to say male. You have to say male person. You can't say mailman, you got to say male person. Instead. When you come, you know, you gotta. Nobody. Your jokes have to start with a land acknowledgment. Like, these guys would fucking annihilate them. And they would, like, it would just be material and for weeks and yet they're gonna go and like, do whatever MBS tells them to do and be like, yes, sir, Mr. MBS, I want the million dollars. Like, it's, it's a move. It's really what it is. Like, it's a move to go over there.
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B
So I think that's a great point. And I'm just thinking through it right now. I think the difference would be in that you. They would benefit from turning it down.
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A
The, the Soros new. The hypothetical source.
- [40:44]
B
So I think that the reason why all these, they, you can move Tickets and get followers and make money by being conservative right now.
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A
Yeah. Right.
- [40:52]
B
So whatever bag they're offering you by saying no to the liberals, you make that back over here with your fans.
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A
Right.
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B
I, I don't think there's. You're not, they're not going to benefit other than like, people think you're a good person for saying no.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know what I mean? So, like, I, I think they're, they want the money.
- [41:11]
A
So it's all about the bag then. That's what it is, though. So that means, that means the free speech thing is kind of. It's just about.
- [41:16]
B
They just, they, I again, they. Nobody cares about the ideals. They just care about the end result. They like and want free speech. Not because they believe that every American should have free speech, because their job requires free speech. And that's how they make their money. I think a lot of those dudes.
- [41:32]
A
I'll just, I will, I will give so much love to any of those dudes that make fun of MBS's micro penis. Imagine.
- [41:38]
B
Imagine if somebody just went off script.
- [41:40]
A
Yeah, dude, just go over there and talk about they heard he's intersex and has a micro penis and that's what the world going on. And I mean, like, that would be, that, that would get, get a lot of credit with me. But I don't see, I don't. I'm not expecting that.
- [41:54]
B
It's funny that you would. I would think that, like, conservatives would.
- [41:58]
A
Chappelle could do that. Like, what does he get to lose? And I guess he, I guess he could be handed. I guess he could get me put into a prison there, which is why you wouldn't do it, because it's a fucking authoritarian country, which is why you shouldn't go.
- [42:08]
B
Which is why you shouldn't be doing it. I think Chappelle is like the most baffling case to me. Like the guy who walked away from Comedy Central and $40 million at his peak, out of morals, is now deciding to sell out now makes no sense to me. I think the, like Louie and Burr, like, some of the really. I mean, if you look at that list, like, nobody like needs the money really, or, you know, they're all doing really well. I personally, when I first heard, like there was a report or something that Dan and Big Hat and Dave were offered $10 million to go, and I was like, I'm going. Like, somebody puts $5 million in front of me. I'll be honest, I'm going. And that I, I really started to think through it. Because when I said that, I was kind of like, yeah, no, duh. And a lot of people in my life who I really like value were kind of like, oh, that's unfortunate. Feel that way. And I was like, oh, I gotta like, kind of examine this. And I mean, of course I understand.
- [42:58]
A
The big picture, being a grown up man.
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B
Well, yeah, and it sounds silly, but it's like, I, of course know why you shouldn't go. But my thought is that whether that comedy festival happens or not, who goes, who doesn't go, that ain't changing anything. So I might as well make this money and have my family set for life. But then, you know what really changed it for me was I just showed you that video, Chappelle and Kevin Hart and these guys putting their hands in the sand, doing some sort of like, customary greeting, whatever. And it made me think about, like, literally if you were to say yes and do that and you get on a plane and you go there and you have to like, shake their hands and hug them and smile to their face.
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A
It's a propaganda.
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B
They hold hands with everybody and you have to smile in their face while they obviously are using you and trying to play you and think that you don't even know what's going on here. And like, that would probably almost be harder for me than the, the important stuff. Because the important stuff, unfortunately, I feel like, is they're not going to change. And, you know, the Middle east didn't change anytime soon, so I might as well. But then I thought about, like, spending a week there just from a point of view of, like, I don't even get off the couch for, like, my friends, let alone to hang out with the royal family of Saudi Arabia.
- [44:05]
A
So they, so Dave and Rick had said, no, I missed that. Yeah.
- [44:07]
B
So apparently I don't know all the details, but they said that. But it was funny. They were like, don't get it twisted. We, we, we made an offer and they just, just didn't meet our offer. So I, I think the way Dan posed it was if it was 15 million, they would have gone. I don't know why they drew the line at five versus seven and a.
- [44:24]
A
Half, but everybody's gotta have a line, man. But it was funny that.
- [44:28]
B
So that story came out and they said, yeah, we turned it down and they got some props for it. But, but, you know, I don't know, it's just funny when it's like, well, we would have gone, but we didn't. And then once they, I think when they Realized how much kind of social value you get out of being. Oh, they were like, yeah, we said.
- [44:44]
A
But like on the barstool stuff, like, the lift was so depressing to me. Just as a cultural thing. Like, my. My boy Rory, like, takes a moral stand from another mother. Yeah, that's. Takes a moral stand against the Saudis. And. And you know, he got like, gassed up about that for a while. And I was like, look, see, like, you can do this. You can take a moral stand. You can still make money and, like, you can still fucking golf and you don't have to take the Saudi blood money. We need somebody like Rory out there in the world. Fast forward a year and it's like, no live cuts a deal with pga. Rory, like, apologizes basically for doing the right thing. And like, all the, like, Bryson that took the bag from Saudi, like, walking and Phil Mickelson are like, walking around like, like their worldview is vindicated. Like, man, this sucks.
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B
It does, it sucks. And it's like, that's why I was. I was very. I mean, I just can't understand those guys, all those golfers, comedians. Like, you got. You got the money.
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A
How much money you need?
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B
Yeah, like, I can understand if you are not.
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A
You don't have a plane. You get to the plane. I get it, I get it, I get it. Not having to do Southwest and being at the FBO is really nice. Once you've got the plane, though, seems feels like a second plane is not really. Like, there's diminishing returns, unfortunately.
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B
It's very indicative of, like, what motivates people. And like, there's more. More, more. I mean, a lot, especially a lot of those comics, they remember when they were eating, you know, free mozzarella sticks was why they went to the club because, you know, they had no money. And now, I mean. But again, like, I. I can't say that I would. I would just not entertain it. And I. And I wish that wasn't the case. I do. I'm wondering why, like, I. I feel like there is like a hopelessness where it's like, I don't think me going or not going impacts things 1% and that also maybe, maybe it does with Dave Chappelle maybe said no, like, but yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, it matters. You have to be able at night. I get that. But I can. I think the reason why some people are saying yes is because it's like, I mean, Pete Davidson say yes.
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A
Probably it for me to tell you what you should do to honor your father's memory. But it's weird.
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B
I think the most justified person going there is Pete Davidson. If he's okay with it, then who am I? You know, that is batshit crazy that one. That, that, that one's hard to, to reconcile. But it's, I, I, I really, it's it all always from Kimmel to the comedy. It comes back to money and power and all right.
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A
But I appreciate this, man. I just, I think it's really like, I don't think you have. Maybe you do now. Like, I don't know if people around here have any idea like the warped view that like the lib bubble has. Of course. Oh no, I get it. I mean they're of the view that like everybody that like is into barstool and does barstool stuff is like a maga right winger that's irredeemable. But like there's no point even trying to get their vote and like it's like totally wrong. It's, it's insane. And so like I just think it's important to do this totally can be like, oh right. No, actually humans, they are also humans.
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B
I stopped like even trying to like deny it, defend it, argue, show because it was just like we, we've almost been politicized. I mean, I get it also Dave. Very right. At least in years.
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A
A lot of the fans are representative.
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B
Yeah, yeah. But I, I think that's part of the problem is like we just take, take entertainers or companies or whatever and it's like you're left, you're right. I hate you. I don't like you. And you know, even you said something earlier that was like, I can't remember was. But you were sort of like I actually agree with what he said. And it, and just the mere fact that I think you feel like you have to like put out a disclaimer or a qualifier. It's like you should be able to agree and disagree with people on different issues that it's never just a blanket statement, you know. Let me ask you this. Like I think the one of the biggest problems and like why I go back to why like I, I seemingly can't bring myself to vote. I think the two party system is like a big problem. Is that am I off base? And second part is, I mean like.
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A
I don't think it's gonna ever change. We were one of the first fucking democracies. Like if you look at the people that learn from us, like most, you know, the German Democracy is like 10 parties. Exactly. And there's a Lot of ways that the German system is better than ours. Women min. Like, you know, and they had to go through Hitler first.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But like, they came out the other side, made it like 150 years have been like, oh, wait, we should do it. Like. And so now the system sucks. I think the. The. I think that there is no real hope for a permanent third party. I do think that, like, I wish people would start third parties in like, state. So I'm in Louisiana and I wish that, like, somebody would just start. I wish the Democrats would basically go extinct in Louisiana and something else would emerge. Like, and then, you know, maybe that party just exists like in the south and in like Utah and Idaho or something, you know, and it's like the alternative, you know, and it doesn't have some of the bags. The national party, maybe the, the. There's an inverse of that in California, you know, and.
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B
Okay, you know what you're describing my most radical idea. This country's too big, bro.
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A
Break up the country.
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B
We just break up this country.
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A
There is just no breaking up California because the Democrats need more Senate states. And I think, I think, you know, California.
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B
I just think, like, there's no way that my values and concerns and whatever in the Northeast are ever going to align with someone from like, Alabama. Like, we're different countries. Yes, Effectively.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, we're living. It's so physically big and so. I know, but it's just like I. Why. Why should I be voting on the border when I don't have to.
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A
I have to move out of New Orleans or I lose the sec, bro. I don't. You're out. You're out.
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B
Yeah. You lose football. No, you can come live living like a live heaven. You could be in a lib cuck empire up in the Northeast.
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A
My other. Here's my other optimistic view for you because I. So I always get the. Could there be a third party presidential question from somebody? And they always want like, like somebody like, like in with of my politics, which you just. The cliche one you just mentioned, like, more physically conservative, more socially liberal. There just aren't enough people like that out there. Like the inverse.
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B
You think so?
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A
No, no, there aren't the inverse. The inverse could work though. A famous person, a barstool person type person who has, like, not like evangelical Christian conservative views, but, like, has some conservative views. Has some stuff that makes me a little uncomfortable, you know, maybe some of their views on like, on trans stuff from gays, whatever. Like, you know, I don't. I'm not Saying that they're like far, far right but like they have some conservative cultural vibes. Right. You know, and they're economically like Bernie.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I don't. This is not something somebody would appeal to me at all. That third party would be interesting because that, that would. Third party would divide both parties because, like, there are a lot of like socially conservative people in the Republican Party that wish that like, aren't on board. Fuck the corporate tax cut shit. Because they're not rich.
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B
Right.
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A
And they're a lot of. There's some Dems, you know, that want the lefty populist stuff.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And aren't as, you know that. And aren't on board with like the full woke kind of agenda. I think that probably. Would it have to be a really famous person. Yeah, like really famous.
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B
Right.
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A
And they'd have to have.
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B
It needs to be like a Trump.
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A
But for the, you know, like, that's possible, but I don't know who that is.
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B
I mean my like, perception of a third party has always just been like, it fractures your votes and it's a bad thing and like it's a joke. I, I can't even imagine what it would take to even, even if you found that perfect person to get enough people to just break out of the idea of left and right. Like. But I, I think it would. I mean, I always, I'm like, Dave's running for president one day. Like, I'm waiting for that, you know.
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A
Yeah. He's tough though. He breaks it. He's pro choice. It's hard to do. It's hard to be a pro choice Republican.
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B
That's the sort of stuff like that. I, I think we have to figure out a way to like, that should define like, fine.
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A
Baum is apparently going to run as a MAGA Republican. And everybody that I talked to down there says, like, he used to follow me on Twitter, which I was like, you're not a MAGA Republican. If you like, maybe if you're a professional maga, you follow me to like, see what the other side's saying. Right.
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B
Right.
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A
But like soul.
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B
You're. Yeah.
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A
You're following me and like what, like watching my posting every day.
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B
I, I.
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A
So I think maybe, I think it's.
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B
I think you might be as like indoctrinated in a way too. Like, I think you don't even realize how much that stuff does overlap. Or maybe I, maybe I'm anyway bubble.
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A
And like fine bound though, like running as a microphone Republican would be insane.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That would be nuts. It's like a Tommy Tuberville type. Yeah. I mean that would be nobody. Anyway, I've talked to a bunch of people. They don't think that that was his politics, but seems apparently it is.
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B
Yeah, I, I just think there's more.
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A
People out there that first Dave primary. What a world. It's a 2032 presidential primary.
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B
Can the Democrats really not like they can't muster up like one guy that, that or girl that they think is like. Because I feel like the party also, it's not like I, I, I feel like the Democratics didn't like have their golden goose and he just couldn't get the job done. I feel like you guys are fractured and don't know who, who to like prop up either. And like, no, they got nobody. And I hate to, I, you don't want to be this way, but it's like it, it, I don't know if like a black woman was the best candidate to take down Trump in that at that time, you know? So like can you find a guy who is checks the boxes?
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A
Yeah. I mean Westmore is just kind of like a poor man's Obama. So like maybe that's good enough. You know, he, he can, he can lift. I don't know, man. It's tough.
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B
And also it, it feels like, you know, I, I, I think what was appealing about Trump is that he wasn't this like lifelong politician. But now I almost feel like we need to get back to some of that like presidential politician. But dude, is the horse out of the barn? It's going to need to be a celebrity or it's going to need to.
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A
Be, I don't know. Know. I don't know. I mean, there could be a job.
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B
I also feel like the job's not appealing. I think your best minds and your most capable people are like, I'm gonna go be in tech or I'm gonna.
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A
Go make a billion dollars. President's may be different. That's true for Congress for sure. Being Congress sucks now. Yeah. I don't know, it depends on how bad he up the economy, I mean, or even if it's an accident, you know what I mean? Whatever. If like the economy gets really up, then maybe like a normal, that's crack.
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B
But if he does, people will jump ship if they're broke.
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A
But if he does okay, then I don't know. Then yeah, the Dems will need some outsider tech type person too, I think. Just think that's where we at.
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B
I don't know who it is, but yeah, you need. You need that.
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A
All right, bro. I appreciate the time, man. This has been so fun.
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B
I hope that people don't hate me for not voting.
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A
Thank you for doing this. You're gonna. You're definitely. We do have a lot of, like, moms and grandmoms that listen. And you know that you might be getting some notes about them. Just. Just letting you know to do better. But that's the Mexican people like me, right? Mexicans, we love you. Everybody else was KFC bar. So follow his for real shit. We'll see you soon.