Tim Puts on His Tinfoil Hat Over Epstein Rumors

Summary

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Bulwark Takes

Episode: "Tim Puts on His Tinfoil Hat Over Epstein Rumors"

Date: February 3, 2026
Hosts: Tim Miller, Sam Stein, Will Sommer

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Overview

This lively episode of Bulwark Takes brings together Tim Miller ("the potato boys" leader), Sam Stein (Managing Editor), and Will Sommer (author of the False Flag newsletter) for a fast-paced, sardonic breakdown of the political conspiracy news cycle. The main themes revolve around the resurgence of 2020 election conspiracies, the enigmatic and scandalous world of right-wing personalities, and a deep-dive into the swirling new Epstein rumors—while also lampooning contemporary figures such as Nancy Mace. Discourse ranges from satirical commentary to moments of genuine concern, with hosts blending forensic analysis with irreverent banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Return of 2020 Election Conspiracies

(01:00–06:36)

• Old Conspiracies, New Momentum: The hosts discuss a recent FBI raid in Fulton County, Georgia (ballot storage facility), which has revived a gamut of wild 2020-related conspiracy theories now being recycled at higher levels of government.
• Tulsi Gabbard’s Role: Sam Stein notes, "[Tulsi] seems that she has been tasked with sort of being like the chief election kook," (01:52), referring to her active role in aggregating and legitimizing debunked election denial theories.
• Greatest Hits: Falconeers, Italian Satellites, Venezuelan Software:
  • "The claim made by... a rogue Falconer... He claimed he had Al Qaeda contacts... also I found out as kind of part of this, that the election was stolen. And Trump was like, wow, this guy is a genius." – Sam Stein (02:22)
  • The "Italian satellites" and "Hammer and Scorecard" supercomputer theory is discussed as one of the most bizarre, with Tim deadpanning, "I think you're looking at this the wrong way… It's kind of like an episode of SVU..." (05:26) to satirize the kitchen-sink approach of these theories.
• Sidney Powell is Back: Hosts are fascinated by Powell’s reappearance: "Sidney Powell, who got kicked out of the she was too hot brigade for being too kooky. Tucker Carlson... he looked at Sidney Powell and he was like, a little too out there for me." – Tim Miller (03:49)
• Factionalism & Fringe Figures:
  • The overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne is flagged for his continued role—now with added antisemitism. "[He's] been tweeting a lot lately about how much he doesn't like Jews, but I was just like, oh, this is kind of a new angle for you, Patrick." – Sam Stein (06:07)

Memorable Quote:

"It's kind of like an episode of SVU... I don't think it could be both [Venezuela and Italians]. I think it's one of them." – Tim Miller (05:26)

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2. Political Characters & the Conspiracy Grift

(06:36–10:59)

• The Demotion Game:
  • The group riffs on Ed Martin’s demotion from 'political vendetta czar' to a lesser role, speculating this is due to overexposure: "Maybe they're like, hey, Ed, you're making this a little obvious, what we're up to, and you're giving too many clues." – Sam Stein (08:53)
• Sidney Powell & Alex Jones: Overlap between various dubious actors is flagged as a risk for the movement’s “veneer of respectability.”
• Pipe Bomber Social Media Saga:
  • Ed Martin, in his online conspiratorial zeal, once posted about the "pipe bomber" with only partial deletion of his posts: "He didn't take down every letter. He left the P and the E up. So stupid." – Will Sommer (09:49)
• Internal MAGA Frustration with Todd Blanche: Ed’s demotion is linked to complaints among hardcore MAGA fans that Blanche "won't give MAGA the candy" with more radical actions, feeding into right-wing frustration that big promises of arrests never materialize.

Notable Quote:

"Are you tweeting a criminal conspiracy? Ed Martin, you know you're not supposed to be tweeting a criminal conspiracy." – Tim Miller (09:27)

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3. The Epstein Files & Tinfoil Speculation

(10:59–12:34 & 21:01–24:31)

• Todd Blanche & Epstein: Will Sommer brings up Todd Blanche addressing, "the Epstein people not going to prison," to which Tim adds mockingly, "Yeah, he's like, nothing illegal about going to a party on Petto Island." (10:43)
• Viral 4chan Theories:
  • Tim reads a 4chan post about a correctional officer, Roberto Grijalva, claiming Epstein was swapped for a body double—a theory generating over 13 million views and widespread speculation. He confesses, "It has 13.1 million views. So I’m not the only one. Is it possible that Epstein’s still alive? I guess that’s my final question for you guys." (22:44)
• Group Reaction:
  • Will refuses to "touch that," Sam admits, "I don’t think he killed himself...there’s a lot of unanswered questions," with Tim echoing intrigue but not conviction.
• Meta-Commentary on Conspiracies: The hosts poke fun at their own susceptibility, with Will mock-suggesting, "after we finish this that we edit this out in postscript because this is insane. You guys need to chill out." (23:25)

Memorable Exchange:

"There’s a lot of unanswered questions out there. And so, you know, whatever you’re putting out there, Tim, I’m..." – Sam Stein (22:51)
"I’m not saying, I’m not making any claims... All I’m saying is that I've been reading a lot of material about the Epstein situation at the prison, and I just was intrigued..." – Tim Miller (23:53)

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4. Nancy Mace: The Media Spiral

(12:34–18:13)

• Preempting Bad Press: Discussion of Nancy Mace’s attempt to deflate a critical New York Magazine piece with a preemptive selfie video, described as "the Streisand effect" (12:58).
• Bizarre Staff Directives: Mace reportedly "forcing staffers to upvote Reddit posts about who the hottest member of Congress was, if it was her," and ordering tequila deliveries at 2 am.
  • "Staffers had to create fake accounts, go in, upvote it if it said Nancy Mace, downvote AOC..." – Tim Miller (13:41)
  • "Our poor scheduler was getting calls at 2 in the morning to come bring her bottles of tequila..." – Tim Miller (15:03)
• Panel Reaction: Sympathy is mixed with disbelief. Will Sommer: "I left feeling like a sense of sorrow for this woman. She obviously needs help ... she shouldn’t be in public life anymore." (15:31)
  • Tim remains more acerbic, "I think she’s a little too mean for me to feel sorry for." (17:02)
• Campaign Prognosis: They pessimistically forecast the end of her governor’s campaign while riffing on South Carolina’s political culture.
• Content Grind: Sam Stein marvels at Mace's media obsession: "it is striking this article how she's... I need to be on national TV three times a week or three times a day..." (17:51)

Memorable Quote:

"You’re going to work on the Hill. Your chief of staff comes in, they're like, yo, I need you to create a burner Reddit account. Just put some comments about how hot the boss is." – Will Sommer (14:51)

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5. James Fishback & the Young Conservative Relationship Circus

(18:13–21:01)

• Fishback’s Campaign Moves:
  • Noted for problematic campaign tactics and disturbing allegations, including a cringe outreach effort via Tinder:
    • "I've joined Tinder to meet young female voters where they are and share my plan..." – Tim Miller (18:55)
• Online Rivals & Drama:
  • Laura Loomer’s feud with Fishback’s girlfriend is discussed, with salacious details about bitcoin-fueled photo shoots.
• Groypers & Abstinence:
  • The hosts humorously debate the “chastity” of right-wing youth movements and shifting norms, especially via weird statements from Nick Fuentes.
  • Will Sommer: "That’s really powerful stuff." (20:59)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• Election Conspiracies Parody:
  "It's kind of like an episode of SVU... you think it might be the teacher because he was acting a little weird in class... maybe that's the Venezuelans..."
  — Tim Miller (05:26)

• On Sidney Powell’s Return:
  "Sidney Powell, who got kicked out of the she was too hot brigade... Tucker Carlson... looked at Sidney Powell and was like, a little too out there for me."
  — Tim Miller (03:49)

• On Ed Martin’s Oversharing:
  "Are you tweeting a criminal conspiracy? Ed Martin, you know you're not supposed to be tweeting a criminal conspiracy."
  — Tim Miller (09:27)

• Joking About Partying With Epstein:
  "Yeah, he's like, nothing illegal about going to a party on Petto Island."
  — Tim Miller (10:43) "Ain't no crime. Partying with Jeffrey Epstein."
  — Will Sommer (10:50)

• On Nancy Mace’s Staff Instructions:
  "Your chief of staff comes in, they're like, yo, I need you to create a burner Reddit account. Just put some comments about how hot the boss is."
  — Will Sommer (14:51)

• On Nancy Mace's Media Hunger:
  "She wanted just like... I need to be on national TV three times a week or three times a day, you know..."
  — Sam Stein (17:51)

• Epstein Rumor Rabbit Hole:
  "Is it possible that Epstein's still alive? I guess that's my final question for you guys."
  — Tim Miller (22:44)
  "There’s a lot of unanswered questions out there. And so, you know, whatever you’re putting out there, Tim, I’m..."
  — Sam Stein (22:51)

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Episode Structure & Flow

• 00:00–01:00: Advertisements (skipped)
• 01:00–06:36: Rehashing 2020 election fraud conspiracies, introduction of key players, satirical analogies
• 06:36–10:59: Fallout among Trump’s conspiracy-adjacent allies, speculation about political demotions, intra-MAGA grievances
• 10:59–12:34: Epstein-related soundbites, segue to next topic
• 12:34–18:13: Scandalous Nancy Mace New York Magazine profile, staff abuse, emotional reactions, campaign eulogy
• 18:13–21:01: Fishback’s campaign, Loomer beef, groyper/alt-right online subculture
• 21:01–24:31: Deep-dive into Epstein internet speculation, self-aware lampooning of conspiracy mongers

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Tone & Style

The conversation is quick, irreverent, and filled with dark political humor. The hosts oscillate between sharp sarcasm, genuine policy critique, and self-deprecating reflection on the absurdity of modern conspiratorial thinking. This lets the episode function both as a news digest and a cultural critique, packed with in-jokes and serious subtext about the dangerous ecosystem of lies permeating American politics.

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Transcript

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[Tim Miller]

Hey, everybody, it's Tim Miller from the Bulwark here with the potato boys. There are three of us. It's a trio. And it's Sam Stein, who's the managing editor, and Will Summer, who has a newsletter called False Flag that I've needed a little more frequency from lately. You know, Will's allowed some time off, but I could use, I could double it. I could do four a week. Four. The latest is headline this the 2020 election loon gang together. So I want to talk about that. I also want to just tease everybody. We will talk about Nancy Mace as well. The 2020 Election Loon Gang is back together. Why don't you just get us up to speed, Will?

[Sam Stein]

Yeah, so, you know, last week the FBI raided the Fulton County, Georgia, you know, the ballot storage facility, essentially. And I think we're starting to see, we don't know a lot about the official motivation of this raid, but I think we're, we're seeing a lot of the, kind of the old conspiracy theories come back. And so that's what I dipped into here. Obviously, Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, was on the scene, and it sort of seems that she has been tasked with sort of being like the chief election kook. Like she's going to pull all the disparate strands together and make a report Republicans can use to crack down on the midterms. So there's a lot of crazy stuff flying around, and that's what I was looking into.

[Tim Miller]

Hmm.

[Will Sommer]

Well, what of all the crazy, like, 2020 election conspiracies?

[Sam Stein]

Well, I support the one I believe is the. Is the. The claim made by, what, a fellow who was a rogue Falconer, who basically he was like a globe trotting falconer, kind of mixed up in the smuggling lifestyle. The Falcon smuggling, they call it feathered cocaine for those who don't know. But basically he claimed he had kind of. He had Al Qaeda contacts because of the falcon trade in the, in the Emirates. And basically he was like, well, they didn't really kill bin Laden. That was like a fake thing. But also I found out as kind of part of this, that the election was stolen. And Trump was like, wow, this guy is a genius. This guy, I should say, is named Alan, is named Alan Parrott. And I think he's like a white.

[Will Sommer]

Guy'S name is urban.

[Sam Stein]

That's right. And so. So Trump got really into this and it alienated a lot of his, like, Navy SEAL guys who claimed to have killed bin Laden. It was a big mess. That's my, that's my favorite. But the one in play here, I think the key ones are Italian satellites. Yes, Italian satellites.

[Will Sommer]

I thought it was the Venezuela one that was in play here.

[Sam Stein]

There's two. So this is Trump's got to figure out who's going to be prosecuted, what the theory is. So on one hand, Sidney Powell, who we remember getting fired from Trump's legal team for being too crazy for them, she's kind of back in the mix. She seems to maybe have known this raid was coming. She was saying on a podcast there's gonna be some big action in a few days. And she is.

[Tim Miller]

That was, I thought, the most interesting thing in your newsletter. She had a tip, she had a hot lead. Sidney Powell, who got kicked out of the she was too hot brigade for being too kooky. Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson, who now believes Hitler was the good guy in World War II and is flirting with flat earthism. He looked at Sidney Powell and he was like, little too out there for me. Okay. A little too out there for my taste.

[Will Sommer]

So anyway, go back to the Italian.

[Sam Stein]

Trump posted on Truth Social, this idea that the Italian government teamed up with the deep state in China to use satellites to steal the election. And how did they do it? Well, an E. They did it with the help of an evil CIA supercomputer that has kind of gone rogue. It's like its own thing now. It's Skynet, named Hammer and Scorecard and it's doing. You know, it's pulling the strings all over. And this is something Trump embraced, you know, years ago, and now it's back in action. Hopefully, we can bring Hammer and scorecard to Justin.

[Will Sommer]

Can I. I have a question here about all this stuff, because it doesn't make sense. I just got to be honest. If Venezuela is trying to.

[Tim Miller]

What doesn't make sense?

[Will Sommer]

If Venezuela is trying to influence the vote. If Hugo Chavez or Maduro are, like, using Dominion software to influence the vote, and they go first, and then the Italian supercomputers come on board and influence the influenced vote, couldn't it rebound? Like, how do you.

[Sam Stein]

They say, flip it once, flip it again.

[Will Sommer]

Are they worried about the Italians and did all the stuff that the Venezuelans did and, like, it got back and, I mean, this seemed.

[Tim Miller]

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Oh, really? This isn't a situation where all theories are in coming into fruition. It's kind of like an episode of svu, you know, like you're. You want to look under every rock like, you know that. That there's a criminal here. And so it's like, oh, you think it might be the teacher because he was acting a little weird in class, but it turns out he's just kind of a perv. You know, maybe that's the Venezuelans, you know, and then you go, ooh, it's the stepdad. The drunk stepdad, it turns out, was him. You know, maybe that's the Italians. I don't think it could be both. I think it's one of them.

[Will Sommer]

In that vein, whatever happened to the overstock guy who was also part of that gang?

[Sam Stein]

Oh, he's. Oh, yeah. Patrick Byrne.

[Tim Miller]

He did so.

[Sam Stein]

No, he's still. He's still on the loose. He's been tweeting a lot about how. Well, I mean, he's been tweeting a lot lately about how much he doesn't like Jews, but I was just like, oh, this is kind of a new angle for you, Patrick.

[Will Sommer]

God damn it.

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[Sam Stein]

But he's in the Venezuela camp. He thinks. Venezuela.

[Will Sommer]

Okay.

[Tim Miller]

Really? I don't know. That's interesting. That's from overstock.com people. Be careful on overstock.com. you never know what you might actually, like, get some of those. Some of that when you're ordering an old couch.

[Will Sommer]

Wait, one last thing. One last.

[Tim Miller]

Hold on. RFK Jr. No, we're not done yet.

[Will Sommer]

RFK Jr. Is a falconer. We. We know this because he talks a lot about it. Has he had any association with this. What were they called? The Feather cocaine?

[Sam Stein]

The Feather cocaine. That's a great question. I don't know. Maybe he might know all the stuff he knows about how the world really operates, because it kind of seems like these Falcon networks, they. They. They have a lot of intel. Okay.

[Will Sommer]

Okay.

[Tim Miller]

If you. If you have any concern as somebody, as a listener who. Who just, you know, maybe has a little bit of doubts that maybe 2020 was stolen, I just want to calm you because Carrie Lake did weigh in as well, as you mentioned the newsletter, and she wrote you are fucked to the Fulton county election commissioner. She works. She's a government official still for the USA Agency on Google Media. You are fucked, she said to the Fulton County. And she. This is like the reverse Jim Cramer situation. Like, if Carrie Lake says you are fucked, you are actually in the clear, nothing to worry about. So that's encouraging. And speaking of people that have fallen on hard times, Eagle Ed Martin seems like he's been demoted. He might be on the way out there, he was pictured with Sidney Powell. I thought maybe he was conceivably on the rise as part of this 2020 election conspiracy stuff, since he's on board with that. But he got kind of demoted to a pardon attorney, I guess, and then maybe fully out. I don't know. What have you heard about.

[Will Sommer]

I was surprised by that because he's been. He was deputized to be in charge of all the political vendettas. Right. And then he'd been doing the.

[Tim Miller]

Well, Trump had a meeting this week. I believe this is a CNN report. Apologies to who? I forget who. I'm shouting it out. But yeah, they had a meeting this week about the weaponization of government, how they want to weaponize it more and how they're not weaponizing it enough. And so maybe during that meeting they thought that Ed hadn't. Hadn't really nailed it.

[Will Sommer]

Yeah, it's a weird one because he'd been like. It was his moment. He'd been doing the part and stuff for a while now, but apparently Todd Blanche really hates the guy and. And pushed him out, but I don't know anything other than that. But it's odd timing wise because they're supposed to be ramping up, and then they. This guy just kind of disappears. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I. I don't know. Because he's such a. He can be such a moron.

[Sam Stein]

I feel like this is. It's a bad thing in A way. Because I. I think it's a sign that. And this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like maybe they're like, hey, Ed, you're making this a little obvious, what we're up to, and you're giving too many clues. Like, a lot of people, including me, really key with Sidney Powell. And as soon as Sidney Powell gets pulled in, you do that the day after the raid, people are like, oh, this is insane. Right? I mean, I did a whole newsletter about it. Like, and so you need to. There needs to be this kind of veneer of respectability. And so, Ed, you need to stop, like, kind of posting pictures with Alex Jones or whatever. So I think that may be what happened.

[Tim Miller]

Like, you're tweeting. Are you tweeting a criminal conspiracy? Ed Martin, you know you're not supposed to be tweeting a criminal conspiracy.

[Will Sommer]

What was the time where he tweeted the first, like, singular letters? I forget this one. And then he had to like, oh, pipe bomber. Oh, yeah.

[Sam Stein]

Because he got on board with the Blaze's bogus story about the pipe bomber being a Capitol Police officer, and he was like, pipe bomb.

[Will Sommer]

But he didn't take down every letter. He left the P and the E up. So stupid.

[Sam Stein]

The other thing I'd point out here is Todd Blanche is kind of being set up once again as the guy who won't give MAGA the candy that won't do the arrest, that won't do a DOJ raid on the Colorado jail where Tina Peters is held on election denial charges. So the sort of the Ed Martin set. The people who really want to see, like, Hillary Clinton in prison, they are furious over this and this idea that once again, Todd Blanche has stolen it away from them.

[Tim Miller]

Think they're ever gonna realize that nobody's going to prison?

[Will Sommer]

You see Todd Blanche tonight talking about the Epstein people not going to prison. Some of these men may have done horrible things, and if we have evidence that allows us to prosecute them, you.

[Sam Stein]

Better believe we will.

[Will Sommer]

But it's also the kind of thing that the American people need to understand that it isn't a crime to party with Mr. Epstein.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, he's like, nothing illegal about going to a party on Petto Island.

[Will Sommer]

Can't prosecute that.

[Tim Miller]

Sorry. For partying.

[Will Sommer]

Ain't no crime. Partying with Jeffrey Epstein.

[Tim Miller]

Come on. You know, they're still kind of casting around for the right message there.

[Will Sommer]

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[Tim Miller]

Okay, let's move on to our girl, Nancy Mace. How does that sound? Yeah, New York magazine did a big, did a big piece on her. The fake news there. Jake Lahat good dude. And she tried to preempt it with a selfie video. It's never.

[Will Sommer]

Do people understand how stupid that is? Like a tactic. You're just drawing attention to yourself. The Streisand effect.

[Tim Miller]

It's dumb. Jake Lud is thrilled. He's like, oh wait, now everybody knows I got a big Nancy Mace article coming tomorrow. So among the things, I mean, she's lost her mind and there's some of this stuff where retreading a little bit of old ground. Like everyone that I've ever worked for hates her. One of my favorite quotes in the story was from her most recent. I forget if it's consultant or chief of staff. And he's like, so I left and have concerns for Nancy and think that she'd be better as a private citizen. And you should, you should take me at my word because I don't hate her like everyone else that was the best quote. I'm not like all these other people, you know, who have Mace derangement syndrome. Okay. I just. I like her. I just think that she probably would do better in a padded room. Somewhere among these store. Among the anecdotes, my favorite one was something she has in common with Sam Stein. She was forcing staffers to upvote Reddit posts about who the hottest member of Congress was, if it was her. And so staffers had to create fake accounts, go in, upvote it, if it said Nancy Mays down vote AOC to try to push her up the rankings on the hottest members of Congress. And Sam actually did this as well on a Mediaite survey of hottest man. You're making the staff do that for you.

[Will Sommer]

It was actually the Hill back in the day. Remember the hottest on the Hill.

[Sam Stein]

Do you remember that? I voted in that? Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Tim Miller]

Did you ever vote for Sam?

[Sam Stein]

Well, I voted. Yeah, you got to. They put everyone. Well, I work. I voted because they would put everyone's hot picture out and then you would go around and cast your votes for who was the hottest.

[Will Sommer]

Oh, my God, it's so.

[Tim Miller]

Yeah, staffers also, it wasn't just the upvoting. Staffers were told to comment where needed as well. You know, I don't know, say, throw a little note in there, like, nice job. I don't know.

[Will Sommer]

Like you, like, kind of idealistic. You're going to work on the Hill. Your chief of staff comes in when they're like, yo, I need you to create a burner Reddit account. Just put some comments about how hot the boss is.

[Tim Miller]

What am I doing here? She also, this is a quote a former staffer said when I worked for her, our poor scheduler was getting calls at 2 in the morning to come bring her bottles of tequila and.

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[Sam Stein]

Keep the party going is how. Jake, hey, it's not a crowd to.

[Will Sommer]

Party with Nancy Mays, folks. It's not a crime.

[Tim Miller]

Two in the morning.

[Will Sommer]

I'll be serious about this. I read this.

[Tim Miller]

I like to party.

[Will Sommer]

I read this.

[Tim Miller]

But if you need tequila at 2 in the morning, you got to procure it yourself.

[Will Sommer]

So I read this and I had a good chuckle with the Reddit stuff for sure. And the tequila stuff was wild. But, like, I left feeling like a sense of sorrow for this woman. She obviously needs help. I do feel bad for her. It seems like she was triggered or really affected, obviously, by what happened to her in her personal life that she then brought to the floor. Accusations of rape and will and I were talking about. It's a little bit.

[Tim Miller]

The fact that she's doing dick checks on the house floor. That doesn't temper your sorrow.

[Will Sommer]

No, that doesn't. But she was, like, posting, like, pictures of herself naked and stuff. It was like, there's many layers of psychosis here. And Will and I were talking a little bit before we came on. I think the conclusion is she just shouldn't be in. I mean, this is not my conclusions. Her stats. She shouldn't be in public life anymore. She should just, like, try to find something that's more fulfilling and calmer. I do feel bad, though. I really do.

[Tim Miller]

I don't know. She looked like she was happy in that one viral video that was going around where there were like, six people. And, you know, there it was like there were like, six people and they're like, at a house party and they're, like, doing shots.

[Sam Stein]

Oh, yeah.

[Will Sommer]

But that was ruining her life.

[Tim Miller]

Kiss that girl. She kissed the other woman. Like, they looked like they were having a good time. Just maybe do that. Go to Sullivan's Island. Go to house party. Yeah. You know.

[Sam Stein]

Yeah. Look, I. I watch Southern Charms. She could join that crew. You know, they're having fun in South Carolina. You watch.

[Will Sommer]

You watch some trash tv, buddy. You watch some. You love the Vanderpump rules. You like all that crap.

[Sam Stein]

That's how I keep my finger on the floor.

[Tim Miller]

I think she's a little too mean for me to be. Feel sorry for.

[Will Sommer]

That's fair.

[Tim Miller]

I feel sorry for. I. The thing that I feel sorry about is it seems like her governor's campaign is going down the toilet. I was sort of thinking the people of South Carolina, they might need Nancy Mace to be their governor for a few years just to kind of sort of wash. Wash things out of their system a little bit. I mean, they've voted for Trump three times. They put in, you know, Henry McMaster. Maybe they should kind of just get one of their own a little bit and see how that goes. And Louisiana, we. I'm tired of us having the most.

[Will Sommer]

Embarrassing is the current measles outbreak. Not enough Is that you want to inflict more on the good state of South Carolina.

[Tim Miller]

I would like to inflict a little bit more. All right, well, nothing else from you there on Nancy Mace. Will anything. Anything you're seeing out there, any buzz.

[Sam Stein]

I mean, you know, she's very active on Twitter. I mean, you know, it is striking this article how she's, you know, and this has been reported before, but that she wanted just like you know, I need to be on national TV three times a week or three times a day, you know, and I need to be in local Carolina news constantly as well. And I mean look, she understands the content grind but I, but I think perhaps it's, it's, it is not redounded to her benefit here.

[Tim Miller]

Should I pod?

[Will Sommer]

We think that's a good question.

[Sam Stein]

I'm sure she should. Come on in a second.

[Will Sommer]

I don't know what.

[Tim Miller]

We'll talk about that offline. Let's pray on it. Feedback, let us know in the comments. What do you think? Should I invite Nancy Mason? We'll see. Okay, two other things really fast. James Fishback, you've written about him, long shot candidate. We should just be honest for the governor of Florida. Byron Donalds I guess is the main candidate there. He's done some, you've written about him, he's done some racist jokes about Byron Donald, made some illusions about how he would be Mussolini esque. Some pretty serious accusations about him with younger women, relationships with young women, maybe even girls. And he posted this today. I've joined Tinder to meet young female voters where they are and share my plan to make it easier for them to get married by home, raise a family. Young female voters, that just, that is a little, that has a creepy ring for me.

[Sam Stein]

You know it's interesting because Fishback is very open about. He has this woman he claims is his girlfriend. They go to all these events together. He, he kind of is portraying her as like the future first lady of Florida. And this has been enraging Laura Loomer, the right wing activist because she hates James Fishback because he is anti Israel and so she dug up his girlfriend's background and it is, you know, a lot of like I would say risque photo shoots. Some photo shoots, according to Loomer, she was deep into the bitcoin nft scene. Some photo shoots with like guys in like Eyes Wide shut masks and stuff which given Fishbacks kind of like Epstein style allegations, you know, it's getting very complex here. So I don't know if the girlfriend's being pushed out and now it's all about Tinder or what's going on. But his love life has loomed large in this campaign.

[Tim Miller]

Sam and did you have any thoughts on the James Fishback campaign ever, ever?

[Will Sommer]

There was an appropriate use for the let them fight meme. It's like Loomer Fishback right now.

[Tim Miller]

Let him go.

[Will Sommer]

Just have at it. I thought he was, I thought he was a big with the gripers, but he's not. Or is he?

[Sam Stein]

Well, no, that. No, no, no.

[Tim Miller]

That's.

[Sam Stein]

His claim to fame is he's kind of like the groiper Nick Fuente style.

[Tim Miller]

Don't mix her up.

[Will Sommer]

You have to understand, I thought the grip.

[Tim Miller]

The dy.

[Will Sommer]

Maybe I'm wrong.

[Tim Miller]

But Loomer is not a griper.

[Will Sommer]

I'm saying, doesn't that complicate with women? Like, aren't gripers supposed to be abstinent in some respect or am I crazy?

[Sam Stein]

Great point, Sam. Well, Nick Fuentes has said, he said that typically being with women is gay, that he's an incel. But more recently he started to say he's looking for the cutest groy pet. And so now I think possibly maybe groipers are going to be allowed to drop their sort of their vow of chastity and.

[Tim Miller]

And look for love.

[Will Sommer]

That's really powerful stuff.

[Tim Miller]

I'm moved by it. All right, final topic. We make fun on here. We tease and mock some of the right wing conspiracy mongering. And I think it's important to do that since it has infected the highest levels of our government. But it's also okay to look at ourselves at times. And I got to tell you, I was reading this post today by Heather C. 77, Christian patriot, OG anon and great, great, great, great great granddaughter of Revolutionary War soldier who crossed the Delaware with George Washington. And she is. They're going through the Epstein files and they have discovered that one of the people that flagged that there was something weird happening at the prison was Roberto Grijalva, who is a. Who is working there as a correctional officer. And according, I guess to a subpoena that came through Jeffrey Berman, you could see his identity. He was one of the people that posted this 4chan post. In the 4chan post, he essentially claims that there was a lot of unusual activity around Epstein's cell and that there was a truck of some kind that came in and that Epstein got snuck out and that the person that got killed was a Epstein double body double of some kind. And I'm reading it and I'm thinking dumb. I'm interested. I'd like to learn more. It has 13.1 million views. So I'm not the only one. And is it possible that Epstein's still alive? I guess that's my final question for you guys.

[Will Sommer]

No, I'm not going to. I'm not touching that.

[Tim Miller]

I'm not going to talk about it.

[Sam Stein]

Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. I mean I don't think. I don't think he killed himself. You know, I think I. Or I think he was at least given the opportunity to. I think there's a lot of unanswered questions out there. And so, you know, I. Whatever you're putting out there, Tim, I'm.

[Will Sommer]

I'm cool with guys.

[Tim Miller]

I also think there's a lot of unanswered questions out there. And. Can I just throw to you Victor. Can I throw you this post by Victor? It's someone you know, underscore. He goes, this is a crazy find. After some search, I discovered what's probably the second biggest find. The dead body's nose does not match Jeffrey Epstein.

[Will Sommer]

Wait, is that. Sorry, Victor. This is the. At someone you know, Victor. Well, that changes things. No, guys. Yeah, I. I will suggest after we finish this that we edit this out in postscript because this is insane. You guys need to chill out. And there's also stuff in the files from, I believe, the prison guard saying that he was, like, talking Epstein, trying to, like, tell him not kill himself because it seemed like he might.

[Tim Miller]

So let's. Let's.

[Will Sommer]

Let's tamp it down a little bit.

[Tim Miller]

It cuts both ways. It cuts both ways. I'm not. I. I'm not saying I'm not making any claims. Okay. I don't want to be Fact checked by YouTube. All I'm saying is that I've been reading a lot of material about the Epstein situation at the prison, and I just was intrigued by. I mean, you know, she was an OG and on.

[Will Sommer]

Oh, not nothing. What were the numbers? Sorry? What were the numbers in her hand? Was it 77? I could.

[Tim Miller]

77.

[Will Sommer]

Something to that, now that you mentioned. 77.

[Tim Miller]

John Elway. Okay, gentlemen, that's the latest by popular demand, the potato posse. Three of us.

[Will Sommer]

Appreciate it.

[Tim Miller]

And we're still working on it. We'll see you all soon. Subscribe to the Feedback.