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Every now and then I rinse it out and I need dummy rinse tonight and I need it more. My kid was so bad and the smell never leaves. I don't know what to do. I'm always in the dark. The sweat and dead shark smells like a dark, dark. I'm down here rinsing tonight.
Sam Stein
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Tim Miller
Hey, everybody. Tim Miller from the Bulwark here with my buddy Sam Stein and my geese. And it is Halloween afternoon and we are just chatting on the slack. Unusual, a little unusually quiet from Mr. Trump. He was in Asia. I know, I'm jinxing it. He's in Asia. Who the hell knows? And so we're like, what are we going to talk about? And me and Sam just were like, let's. We're just going to bro out before we have to go take our kids trick or treating and talk about whatever we wanted. So we're going to pick a variety of topics. I have a few. And Sam, I would like to kick off with the Lincoln bathroom and then you get to pick the next topic. How does that sound? Unless you want first.
Sam Stein
No, no, no, that's. I think that's the most important.
Tim Miller
Okay, so if we're to do that, why don't we put the picture up on the screen for people who haven't seen it? This was a post from our president on his social media feed. It shows the old Lincoln bathroom and then the new one side by side. He wrote he renovated the Lincoln bathroom. It had been in the art deco green tile style, which was totally inappropriate for the Lincoln era. I did it Black and white, polished statuary marble. And then I'm just gonna throw up here. Dye work. Where Derek guy has also a little picture. You can look at how the Lincoln bedroom looks as compared to the Lincoln bathroom. He's not exactly noticing the connection stylistically, but anyway, I'm wondering what your thoughts are. A lot of. A lot of ways to go on this, I think.
Sam Stein
Well, it's just a lot of marble. Like, it's. It's just a lot of marble. And you walk in there, I'm presuming, and you kind of. It feels like a funhouse mirror of marbles. Also, I was surprised. I thought he would put a bidet in. I had to be honest. But there's no bidet, and he seems like a bidet guy.
Tim Miller
He does seem like a bidet guy. Yeah. No bidet. The marble. I'll tell you this, as somebody who bought a. Hold on one second.
Sam Stein
I know you like it because you've basically been the biggest fanboy for every Trump interior design decision.
Tim Miller
That is not true. That's true. That's the story you guys want to tell, but the truth is that I am fucking calling balls and strikes here, okay? Unlike you, all of you have Trump designed tds, okay? Some of the things have been improvements. Some of the things have been terrible. And on this bathroom, the ruling is, um. Here's the thing. The bathroom looks. As I just started. I. Like, I said about. It was about, what, two years ago that we were in a house search. We moved to New Orleans. So I was seeing, like, the new builds. Like, this just, like, looks like what bathrooms look in, like, new renovated houses now. It's fine. It looks like what? Like a new Kimpton Hotel?
Sam Stein
I don't think that's true.
Tim Miller
It is. It kind of looks like what a new Kimpton hotel's bathroom would look like. I saw a couple of these that look just like this. It's fine. I mean, I don't. There's nothing against it. I would be very. If I walked into a hotel room and this was the bathroom, I'd be like, this is pleasant for me.
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Sam Stein
No, it looks like a hotel bathroom.
Tim Miller
Yeah, that's what it looks like. It's not like. It's not in the spirit of the Lincoln Bedroom in any way. The old art deco green looked kind of cool. Yeah. So it just. It depresses the spirit. This is just. I feel like I could be, you know, at. At whatever the new hipster hotel is in Greenpoint.
Sam Stein
I want to get a little bit uncomfortable. It's not a place I would want to poop sitting there. A bunch of marbles.
Tim Miller
What about the art deco bathroom? Were you happy to poop in there?
Sam Stein
I'd be more happy to poop in there. Yeah. You kind of look around. There's a little variety. This is just straight marble. You know, I want some art on the walls. There's no reading material around there. I just don't think it's a good bathroom to poop in.
Tim Miller
It's not great. Then you've got the. In case you didn't weren't convinced that this was a hotel bathroom, you've got the robe there. I don't know if you saw that.
Sam Stein
Was there little cushy sandals or anything like that?
Tim Miller
I don't see any cushy sandals. I just see a robe and maybe some lilies. I don't know. I mean, again, it's not hideous. It's not awful. It's just pretty meh. And it's like, did we really need to do this? The art deco one seemed fine. And that takes us to the more not to be nerds over here, but we are in a government shutdown right now. People aren't getting their EBT cards. People aren't getting paid. Air traffic controllers aren't getting paid. And like, somehow we're. We're, you know, putting in a Kimpton bathroom and in the White House, who's doing that? Who's. Who's paying for it? Why does Donald Trump get a fancy. Not that fancy of a toilet, really. Kind of a regular toilet? Why does he get a fancy sink while other people are going hungry?
Sam Stein
I assume that Mark Zuckerberg and Meta donated to the bathroom. I'll just. But also, it's like, why does he feel the need to post about. It is the other thing. It's like, in a way, he's kind of like a classic creature of online culture. He feels the need to post about things that we don't even need to know. Like, there's no. I don't need to know what it looks like. I don't know why he felt the need to post that. And he, like, posts at all hours. And he just likes the. He likes the engagement, I think, much like all of us.
Tim Miller
Yeah. So anyway, it's a no for me on the Lincoln bathroom. I think it's pretty.
Sam Stein
The rare Trump aesthetic that you disagree.
Tim Miller
Yeah, that's not true. It's not rare. I also don't like the auburn panel rose garden about club. That is not good for me.
Sam Stein
What was it? Which One do you like again?
Tim Miller
Noble office looks great.
Sam Stein
It does not look great.
Tim Miller
It looks great.
Sam Stein
So overwhelmed with gold.
Tim Miller
So anyway, that's that. Now you get. We're doing a little potpourri. What else. What else is on your mind? I've got. I've got.
Sam Stein
It's like a really hard.
Tim Miller
You can just do all of mine if you want.
Sam Stein
It's an extremely hard transition. So why don't we go through yours and maybe we can transition to something a little bit more serious.
Tim Miller
Okay, here are some vents. I kind of feel like. What was the. There's like a Kent Brockman on the Simpsons. Had a. What's grinding my gears. I have a couple of things grinding my gears that I'll pivot to. Number one, we're going to fall back on Sunday. It is the stupidest policy that any government. It is. It is insane that we are going to put add darkness to our lives. Don't even comment if you're a commenter. I don't even want to hear it. If you're for falling back or standard time, it is moronic. I want to play with my daughter after school and have sunlight. I don't want to change the clocks anymore. We need daylight savings time permanently. It's not even a close call. I've looked at the data. I've read Nate Silver's data analysis and he's for opt in daylight savings time. I'm for mandatory.
Sam Stein
Mandatory. Aren't you a little. The data also suggests that like more children die from getting hit by cars going to school. So why is this fake? Well, you want. Is a creation of like the golf states because they want longer tee times in the afternoon. Like, this is your.
Tim Miller
I mean, I don't golf as a homosexual, but I like. Sure. I wish for people that they had longer tee times in the afternoon. Nobody is awake. It's just the math isn't that hard. Who is awake at 5:30pm everybody. Who is awake at 5:30am like 18% of the country.
Sam Stein
It's not 5:30am it's like you're walking to darkness at 7, 7:30am if you don't move these clocks.
Tim Miller
Yeah, but no, we're moving it back now that sunrise is happening like in the. In the 6am range.
Sam Stein
Who wants this one?
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Sam Stein
Think you're wrong. I think you're wrong on this one. Sorry. I just think you're wrong. I think the first of all, I don't think just.
Tim Miller
I just want everybody to know that whatever your positions are, I don't care. I'M going to be sad next week. I'm going to have the seasonal affective disorder. I'm going to be in a grumpy mood and I'm going to be depressed.
Sam Stein
You are the type of guy who lets like the sunlight affect how you feel.
Tim Miller
Yeah, yeah. My moods are very variable and I'm going to be depressed over it. And I think it's unfortunate. I think it's unfortunate.
Sam Stein
I prefer to keep children alive, but that's just.
Tim Miller
I. Well, I do too. And I think I like the joy of the child. You like the joy. So after school, like right now, it's going to happen. We haven't fallen back yet. I'm going to go downstairs after this. We're going to shoot hoops. When we go into the park, me and Toulouse, we're going to shoot some hoops. That's great. Two weeks we won't be able to do that. We won't be able to do that because it'll be fucking dark. And that is stupid.
Sam Stein
Aren't you going to go trick or treating with her or no.
Tim Miller
Oh, you're right, it's Halloween. Well, generally what we would do when that time is shoot hoops, but we're going to go trick or treating. Great points. That's why the geese are here. I forgot about that.
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Tim Miller
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Tim Miller
I've got my other one is also people aren't going to like. So this is an easy transition. While we're hot, there's this thing going around. Some of the people who are my friends are doing it and folks, and it's a lot of it's the progressive folks that are unhappy. This administration, I'm unhappy. And they're doing the thing now with Usha that they used to do with Melania where you're hearing people be like, ooh, I don't know, poor Usha, we've got to save her. Or JD Vance. I saw a lot of comments about JD Vance hugging Erica Kirk too tight. And I saw a lot of people like making fun of Usha or I'm okay with making fun of Usha. Making fun of like saying Usha maybe She'll. Maybe she's in trouble. Maybe the relationship's on the rocks. I'm seeing. I can see. They used to do this with Melania, the free Melania stuff. And it's like, guys, I'm sorry. That's how the. I have people talking about how, like, J.D. vance is really gay on the inside. I'm like, no, okay. No. I'm unknown. All of this, okay? Usha is a grown woman. She knows what she's doing. She. She is very capable and she's made this choice that she's. She is all in for the soft fascism. So I don't want any babying. Like, ERICA Kirk and J.D. vance are not having an affair. They did a hug. Erica Kirk's husband got assassinated recently. You don't need to be micromanaging how she lives her life. Like, you can criticize her politics. I'm going to criticize her politics. But, like, who the fuck knows what I would do if my husband got assassinated? Maybe I'd hug somebody I don't like. It's not. It's not a good hit. And j. And if you're not a gay man, you can't call J.D. vance. F. Slur. I'm the only one that can do that. So those are. Those are my rants all around. Usha sucks go out. Attack Usha attacker attack Turning Point, USA make fun of JD Vance. Call him a soft boy. You know, call him a little soft bellied, little wuss boy. That's fine. I'm all for that. Like somebody who's being cruel to others and mean because he was bullied in high school back when he wore mascara. Like, I'm make couch fudge jokes. I'm down. But, like, I'm not game for the. The. Oh, we need to. We need to free usa. She seems scared. Or.
Sam Stein
Yeah, blink Usha, if you're. If you need help. I don't like that either. I. This one, I am in full agreement. Mostly because I think, you know, she's a professional, accomplished person who has agency and she made her choice and, like, criticize her for that. Like, you don't need to. You don't need to, like, come up with some weird conspiracy theories that she's being held captive or something.
Tim Miller
It's weird. I hated Free Melania. I'm like, melania is the worst. Melanie knows exactly what she's doing.
Sam Stein
Well, yeah, that it turned out that she was totally fine with everything. I mean, the.
Tim Miller
The.
Sam Stein
The text came out and, you know, with her and her no. Ex friend and it was just like. Yeah. She actually wasn't, like, you know, being held. Held against her will. She was an enabler of it. So I think people want to believe these things, but it's. It's. It seems a little weird and petty to do it.
Tim Miller
It is. And last thing, I just. I do want to just reemphasize. I'm sorry. Okay? I'm sorry. To the straight women out there who are big fans of ours and the wine moms. We love you. I support you. You can shit on JD Vance all you want. You can. You can make fun of his sexual prowess. Talk about how you'd never bang him. Great. Like, however you want to slag him, that's fine. I'm the only one that gets to call him a homo. Okay. Sorry you can't do home.
Sam Stein
No, no, no, no, no.
Tim Miller
I can't do homophobic slurs as a. As a straight woman. You can't. I'm sorry.
Sam Stein
That's fine. That's fine. But other gay men can call them that.
Tim Miller
Right?
Sam Stein
You know?
Tim Miller
Yeah, that's true. It's not just me. Yeah, it's not just me. If gays can do it, this is the thing we get. Okay. You know, my marriage wasn't. I couldn't get married for a few years. For about a decade that we were together, you know, me and Tyler, that was a burden on me. In exchange for that, I get to have a monopoly on determining whether or not I want to make fun of J.D. vance's eye makeup and the fact that he dressed up like a girl in the girl's bathroom and the fact that maybe he got on Craigslist and for m. I get to do that. You don't get to do it.
Sam Stein
It's like, you know, I can tell Jew jokes, but you cannot. Yeah, yeah.
Tim Miller
It's like the anti. Dentite. It's like the Seinfeld. Yeah, exactly. You know, the dentist became a Jew for the jokes. Or do you become a dentist for the jokes? I forget how the episode.
Sam Stein
You became a Jew for the jokes.
Tim Miller
Became a Jew for the jokes.
Sam Stein
Yeah, but you can't do that.
Tim Miller
Yeah, no, I guess you could become gay for the jokes. If you want to get down so that you can start doing homophobic jokes. Yeah, all right. I'm cool. We'll see how that goes. All right, now over to you. Those are Those. That's it. That's my. What's grinding my.
Sam Stein
Like, this is gonna be the worst transition.
Tim Miller
Did you not want to do yours? Do you have any other.
Sam Stein
I don't I actually don't, because it's.
Tim Miller
Like, we're cutting yours. What was it that people are gonna be wondering now?
Sam Stein
Oh, man, We. I wanted to talk about this guy who was. It's like, really our transition here. This guy Taylor Toronto, who was a pardon J6 defendant, was arrested near Obama's home, threatening to, like, blow it up. And he was just released on time served. And I was. I'm like. Boggles my mind that they're doing this.
Tim Miller
That's a. Okay. Transition topic. That's scary. It's Halloween night. A criminal. We've let a criminal back out onto the streets.
Sam Stein
Yeah, we have. And it's just so ridiculous.
Tim Miller
Who let him off?
Sam Stein
Our Justice Department. This was the famous case now. Famous case where they fired the prosecutors because they had the temerity to say that January 6th was a organized riot at the Capitol involving thousands people. And so they fired these people for stating a fact. And. And then they just let this guy go on time served. Meanwhile, the guy who threatened Brett Kavanaugh and turned himself in got eight years and, you know. Yeah, totally. But, like, this. This dude's a repeat offender, and he was, like, going after Obama and doing, you know, the exact same thing, and he's just going to walk the street.
Tim Miller
The Justice Department just got this deal.
Sam Stein
Yeah. It's ridiculous. It's insane.
Tim Miller
What. What? I mean, does he have to wear an ankle monitor?
Sam Stein
I don't know about that, but he is out, so who knows what he's up to? I mean, I honestly, it's like. It's actually irresponsible.
Tim Miller
And it doesn't seem like people are to me.
Sam Stein
No. And especially when you're, like, preaching, oh, we got to get, you know, the scourge of political violence. And people need to, like, recognize that this is a real threat. And they're like, actually, this guy who was a J6 rioter and threatened to kill Obama. We'll go. We'll go a little lenient on this one. It's ridiculous.
Tim Miller
It's ridiculous. You know what, Sam? I think that, like, this little potpourri of topics, every news outlet has this, like, how are we gonna cover this? It's the weekend. Reading some material. You know what Fox News did? Did you see this?
Sam Stein
I saw this one. Was this the snaps one with the mother?
Tim Miller
Yeah. Fox News just posted an article and how they fill their space, you know, where we just do Tim and Sam hangs. What grinds our gears. We get mad at the fact that people trying to do political violence get off because they're friends of the administration. What Fox did was find tiktoks of just going to say it. Black people complaining about not having it. Yeah, yeah. Black women, good point. Good, good clarification. Complaining about not getting their SNAP benefits. And they found one woman who the hell knows that this is fucking. You know what I mean? Like it's TikTok. Do they really vet who's a Fox.
Sam Stein
News intern who has to scroll through all the tiktoks.
Tim Miller
Yeah. Was there anyone vetting this person? I don't know, but supposedly she said on the TikTok that she had seven baby daddies and none of them are stepping up. And so she needs this to feed her kids, which is like if it's even real. It's like that is sad. And it's like those children deserve food. Rather not scorn and mockery. But, you know, that's how they're filling the space over there. So the welfare queens are alive as well.
Sam Stein
Yeah. Classic Fox News segment where it's just welfare. Black people taking advantage of welfare. Aren't you mad? Aren't you mad?
Tim Miller
Barack Obama's hip hop barbecue won't bring back jobs.
Sam Stein
That was a good one. You probably partake participated in that.
Tim Miller
I did not participate.
Sam Stein
Yes, you did.
Tim Miller
I did not. I, I, Sam, I had, trust me. I, I, I'll go back to my emails.
Sam Stein
I'm sure, I'm sure back then you were emailed me like, look at this comment at the White House comment. How can they get no, the least controversial.
Tim Miller
I, I made fun of it then. I was always cool. I might have been a Republican, but I always liked hip hop. Wasn't scared of hip hop going to the White House.
Sam Stein
Not at the White House. Denigrating the White House.
Tim Miller
All right, what are the kids.
Sam Stein
But now what I've come in there.
Tim Miller
What are the outfits you got for the kids?
Sam Stein
So a little guy's going as a skeleton. Really original. But other guy's going at. So he, two months ago, he, we showed him Back to the Future and he was super into it. And like he watched it again and then I think the third time he's like, you know what?
Tim Miller
I want to go.
Sam Stein
It was Marty McFly for Halloween. And so we're like, cool. That's gonna be so awesome for the parents. No, no other kid's gonna get this. So we're, he's dressed up as Martin McFly. He's got the, the, the bomber vest. He's looking for some plutonium. Approximately 1.21 gigawatts of it. And I was supposed to go as George McFly, but I didn't want to dress as, like, a total dweeb, so. Not gonna do it.
Tim Miller
What are you gonna do?
Sam Stein
I'm just gonna go as Where's Waldo. I have a. I have a go to outfit.
Tim Miller
Where's my. What are you.
Sam Stein
You're a bunch of geese.
Tim Miller
What kind of judgment are you giving me? Geese? This is not my. These are just a couple of the elements of my costume. This is not my actual costume, but yeah, I'm gonna have a white tutu, and I'm gonna put the geese. I'm gonna put the geese on me, and then I have a goose head. One of them is a head.
Sam Stein
And what are you supposed to be?
Tim Miller
I'm Geese. I'm Geese. It's a play on. And I'll have a guitar. It's a play on words. There's a hot band. It's called Geese. And so I'm just Geese. I'm many geese. Yeah. I wanted to. What was. What. I had a good idea for the whole family. Oh, yeah. We were going to be the K Pop Demon Hunters. Oh, God. She was going to be the.
Sam Stein
Are you a K Pop Hunter household.
Tim Miller
Yeah. She used to be the hunters. And we are. And. And. Or, excuse me, the Kpop. The Demon hunters are girls. So we're gonna do a gender inverse where I was like, me and Tyler were gonna be the hunters and. And she was gonna be the demon and. And. And then at the end, she just backed out. You just can't win over a seven year old anymore. It wasn't like the year I got to make us all be three. Britney Spears. She.
Sam Stein
I have a. I have a friend as a. I have a friend who's going as. And he's going as Cash Patel. He's got an FBI vest and he's got a list which he's calling the Epstein list. And I was a little bit worried. I was like, you know, there. You don't know who's around there who might abduct you for false identity.
Tim Miller
Yeah, I. I went as jailed Rudy last year.
Sam Stein
Did you have times?
Tim Miller
Yeah. Anyway. Okay, well, this has been enjoyable. Happy Halloween to everybody.
Sam Stein
Happy Halloween, everyone.
Tim Miller
And we'll be back this weekend as news requires.
Podcast Date: November 1, 2025
Hosts: Tim Miller & Sam Stein
In this breezy, off-the-cuff Halloween afternoon episode, Tim Miller and Sam Stein riff on the week’s quirkiest political and pop culture stories, from the controversial White House “Lincoln Bathroom” renovation to debates over Daylight Saving Time, social media obsessions over politicians’ spouses, and some darker notes about criminal justice and political violence. The conversation blends light-hearted banter with signature Bulwark wit, swerving naturally from the trivial and weird to genuinely serious concerns— before closing out with family Halloween plans.
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On the new Lincoln Bathroom:
On Daylight Saving Time:
On political spouse speculation:
On criminal justice & J6:
On Fox News welfare coverage:
Light, irreverent, occasionally exasperated but always energetic—mixing sharp political observation with personal anecdotes and lots of sly humor.
A typical quote that sums it up:
“I had a good idea for the whole family... but you just can't win over a seven-year-old anymore.” – Tim [19:53]
This Bulwark Takes episode is a lively sampler of the week’s oddities—pop culture, policy rants, media criticism—filtered through the Bulwark’s blend of skepticism, candor, and self-aware snark. While often lighthearted, Tim and Sam’s observations on political media rituals, misplaced internet sympathies, and criminal justice questions give weight to the laughter in a news cycle that’s anything but boring.