Todd Blanche Thinks You’re Dumb Enough to Believe This

Summary

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Bulwark Takes – Todd Blanche Thinks You’re Dumb Enough to Believe This

Host: Will Saletan
Guests/Clips: Maria Bartiromo, Kristen Welker, Senator Chris Van Hollen, Donald Trump, Todd Blanche
Date: May 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on Todd Blanche, Donald Trump’s acting Attorney General, and the lengths he goes to defend Trump and his agenda. Will Saletan dissects a recent round of media appearances and congressional hearings where Blanche evades, obfuscates, and weaponizes the Justice Department for Trump’s benefit. The episode reveals Blanche’s willingness to debase himself publicly—from recycling debunked 2020 election conspiracies, to justifying indictments seen as political retribution, and upholding blatant double standards between Trump and his adversaries.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Humiliation Required to Be Trump’s Attorney General

• Context: Saletan starts by noting the “most degrading job in Washington” might be serving as Trump’s AG.
• Core Point: Blanche is “willing to absolutely humiliate himself” for the chance to get the job full-time ([00:42]).
• Throwback: He contrasts Blanche’s current posture with former AG Bill Barr’s blunt dismissal of election fraud claims:
  • “I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which I told the president was bullshit.” – Bill Barr, via Blanche ([01:35])

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2. Blanche’s 2020 Election Revisionism

• Rehashing Conspiracies: Despite years of failed evidence, Blanche repeatedly claims ongoing, fruitful investigations into the 2020 election:
  • “Well, there's a ton of evidence that the election was rigged. That's not something the DOJ needs to... tell you about. There's been evidence about that for many, many years.” – Todd Blanche ([02:14])
  • When pressed by Maria Bartiromo for actual evidence, Blanche says: “They're very good at hiding up misconduct and hiding what they're doing.” ([02:49])
• Saletan’s Response: “The reason he can't show us the evidence is it’s all been hidden. And the fact that he can't show us the evidence is... more proof that the election was stolen and then covered up.” – Will Saletan ([02:55])
• Vague Promises: Blanche hints at “incredibly troubling things” that “at the right time... will be made public” but provides no specifics ([03:31]).

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3. The Comey ‘Seashell’ Indictment and Double Standards

• Social Media ‘Threat’: Blanche oversaw an indictment of James Comey, based solely on a photo of seashells spelling “8647” posted online:
  • “Threatening the life of the President of the United States will never be tolerated by the Department of Justice.” – Todd Blanche ([04:16])
• Obvious Double Standard: Jack Posobiec, a right-wing figure, previously posted a similar “86 46” (a supposed reference to then President Biden) with no prosecution. When pressed:
  • “You cannot compare what happened last time, what happened this time. Every investigation is different.” – Todd Blanche ([05:18])
• Lack of Transparency: Blanche refuses to reveal any actual evidence from the Comey investigation, even after months:
  • “I am not permitted to get into the details of what the grand jury heard or found, as you know. But rest assured that it’s not just the Instagram post that leads somebody to get indicted.” – Todd Blanche ([06:15])
• Selective Disclosure: Saletan points out Blanche was quick to talk details about suspects in other cases when it fit Trump’s narrative ([06:49]).

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4. Indictment as ‘Proof’ and Political Retribution

• Claiming an Indictment = Proof of Guilt:
  • “The grand jury indicted Mr. Comey yesterday... When you talk about whether proof exists, the proof that we have is in the fact that the grand jury returned an indictment.” – Todd Blanche ([08:07])
• Saletan’s Retort: “If you've ever watched a TV show about a crime, you know that what he's saying is completely whacked.” ([08:22])
• Connecting the Dots: Blanche’s appointment and immediate action against Comey came right after Trump publicly pressured his prior AG for failing to indict Trump’s adversaries:
  • “[Trump] literally wrote, no action. Nothing is being done... and then Blanche goes on TV and says word for word that Americans shouldn't believe nothing was being done. I mean, he’s lying to your face.” – Will Saletan ([10:36])

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5. Blanche’s Open Obedience to Trump’s Orders

• “Of course” I’ll Do What Trump Says: When asked if he’d investigate someone just because the President asks:
  • “Of course. That's exactly how cases are made... The fact the President does it publicly and doesn’t do it in secret shouldn’t frustrate people. He’s telling you exactly what he thinks.” – Todd Blanche ([12:47])
• Trump’s Open Praise: Trump directly credits Blanche for “a lot of action” after the Comey indictment:
  • “Our attorney general is doing a very good job, isn’t he, Todd? Blanche, he's done a very good job. A lot of action. There’s a lot of pent up action.” – Donald Trump ([13:23])
  • “He kept me out of jail. They would indict me left and right.” – Donald Trump ([15:36])

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6. Hypocrisy on Indictments – Trump vs. His Enemies

• Empty Indictments vs. Evidence: Saletan notes the Trump indictments were “jam packed with evidence,” while the Comey indictment was “empty and two pages long” ([14:50]).
• Blanche’s Narrative: Blanche claims Trump’s indictments prove DOJ 'weaponization,' but indictments against Trump’s adversaries are themselves proof of guilt ([14:24]).
• Blanche’s Background: Trump explicitly says Blanche was his lawyer who “kept me out of jail” ([15:36]).

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7. $1.8 Billion Fund for ‘Victims’ of DOJ

• Compensating Trump Allies: Blanche sets up a $1.8 billion taxpayer-funded pool for those who claim (like Trump) they were targets of DOJ ‘weaponization’—including January 6th rioters ([15:50], [17:00]).
• Lack of Independence: Four out of five fund commissioners are appointed by Blanche, and he refuses to commit to blocking those convicted of assaulting police officers from compensation:
  • “I don't think it's the Attorney General’s job to encourage commissioners to do or not do anything.” – Todd Blanche ([17:07])
• Absence of Oversight: Blanche rebuffs the idea of judicial or independent review:
  • “There is no judge... The fact that I used to be President Trump’s lawyer is just a fact. But I'm the acting Attorney General.” – Todd Blanche ([18:04])
  • “Mr. Attorney General, you are acting today like the president's personal attorney. And that’s the whole problem.” – Senator Chris Van Hollen ([18:23])

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On conspiracy evidence:

  “There's a ton of evidence that the election was rigged...We have multiple investigations going on in Arizona, in Georgia, in Fulton County, Georgia.”
  — Todd Blanche ([02:14])

• On political double standards:

  “You cannot compare. Well, what happened last time, what happened this time. Every investigation is different. You know that. The American people know that.”
  — Todd Blanche ([05:18])

• Indictment as guilt:

  “The proof that we have is in the fact that the grand jury returned an indictment.”
  — Todd Blanche ([08:07])

• Blanche’s role as Trump’s lawyer:

  “He kept me out of jail for years. Acting Attorney General Carte Blanche. He kept me out of jail. They would indict me left and right.”
  — Donald Trump ([15:36])

• Fund for “weaponized” prosecution ‘victims’:

  “I don't think it's the Attorney General’s job to encourage commissioners to do or not do anything.”
  — Todd Blanche ([17:07])

• Senator Van Hollen’s rebuke:

  “Mr. Attorney General, you are acting today like the president's personal attorney. And that's the whole problem.”
  — Senator Chris Van Hollen ([18:23])

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Saletan’s Tone and Takeaways

• Skeptical, incredulous, and biting—Saletan repeatedly calls out Blanche’s evasions and the absurdity of his justifications.
• He frames each section with disbelief at the audacity required to publicly push such transparent double standards.
• Throughout, Saletan uses pointed examples and direct quotes to highlight the degradation of DOJ independence and the elevation of personal loyalty to Trump above all else.

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Key Timestamps for Reference

• Bill Barr on 2020 election fraud: [01:35]
• Blanche’s “ton of evidence” claim: [02:14]
• Seashells/ Comey indictment rationale: [04:16]
• Blanche dodges evidence questions: [06:15]
• Indictment as proof of guilt: [08:07]
• Trump fires Bondi, Blanche indicts Comey: [09:29]
• Will Blanche do Trump’s bidding? “Of course.” [12:47]
• Trump publicly praises Blanche: [13:23], [15:36]
• Blanche on ‘weaponization’ vs. Trump: [14:24]
• Compensation for January 6th felons?: [17:07]
• Senator Van Hollen’s confrontation: [17:53], [18:23]

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Summary

This episode exposes the erosion of norms at the highest levels of law enforcement, with acting AG Todd Blanche openly prioritizing Trump’s personal and political vendettas. Blanche’s spectacular rhetorical gymnastics—equating indictment with guilt, perpetuating debunked conspiracies, and ignoring obvious conflicts of interest—are laid bare, accompanied by a fiery critique of his subservience to Trump's wishes. Saletan underscores just how transparent and shameless the transformation of the Justice Department into a tool for Trump’s retribution has become.

Transcript

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[Will Saletan]

Hey, it's Will Salatan from the Bulwark. So what do you think is the most degrading job in Washington? I mean, it's a long list, but the answer might be Donald Trump's Attorney General. So right now, Trump has an acting Attorney General, Todd Blanche. And Blanche is trying really, really hard to get the job full time. And to get it, he's willing to absolutely humiliate himself. So today, I'm going to show you Todd Blanche debasing himself to do whatever Trump tells him to do. So let's start with the 2020 election. You might recall that during that election, Trump had an Attorney General, Bill Barr. And Barr investigated Trump's allegations that the election was stolen. And here's what Barr found.

[Todd Blanche]

I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff, which I told the president was bullshit.

[Will Saletan]

Bullshit. That was Trump's Attorney general saying, I. I looked into this, and it's bullshit. But now, six years later, Blanche is trying to get the job that Bill Barr had. So he's reinvestigating the 2020 election. And on Sunday, Maria Bartiromo asked Blanche what he's found.

[Maria Bartiromo]

The President says all the time that the election was rigged. What have you done about that? Do you have any evidence that the election was rigged? What can you tell us?

[Todd Blanche]

Well, there's a ton of evidence that the election was rigged. That's not something the DOJ needs to. Needs to tell you about. There's been evidence about that for many, many years. What I can tell you is that we have multiple investigations going on in Arizona, in Georgia, in Fulton County. Georgia.

[Will Saletan]

Oh, there's a ton of evidence. Oh, yeah, We've been looking at Georgia. We've been looking at Arizona. We got lots and lots of proof. Okay, so where is it? I mean, it's six years Later. Why can't you show us the evidence that the Democrats stole the election, by the way?

[Todd Blanche]

This is very difficult because they're very good. They're very good at hiding up misconduct and hiding what they're doing.

[Will Saletan]

Oh, so the reason he can't show us the evidence is it's all been hidden. Right. And the fact that he can't show us the evidence is. Is more proof that the election was stolen and then covered up. Right. And in that same interview, Bartiromo asked Blanche for an update on another. Another investigation about, you know, the giant conspiracy to make it look like Trump has some weird thing for Vladimir Putin, which he obviously does.

[Maria Bartiromo]

I'd like to know why it's taking so long.

[Todd Blanche]

We're finding out some incredibly troubling things, and at some point, at the right time, that will be made public and the American people will see exactly what happened.

[Will Saletan]

Ooh, we're finding some incredibly troubling things at the right time. At the right time, it will all be made public. Sure. But on one thing, Blanche actually has produced an indictment. Three weeks ago, he got an indictment of James Comey, the former FBI director, for posting this image on social media. It's actually an overhead view of seashells on a beach. And you can see they spell out 8647. And here's what Blanche said about that picture.

[Todd Blanche]

Threatening the life of the President of the United States will never be tolerated by the Department of Justice.

[Will Saletan]

Wow. So. So Blanche says those numbers, 86, 47, are a criminal threat to kill the President. That's odd, because apparently, apparently if you write 8646, which would be a reference to the former President, Joe Biden, that's not a criminal threat to kill the President.

[Kristen Welker]

Let's do a Compare and contrast. Mr. Blanch. In 2022, someone well known in right wing circles, Jack piscobac posted on x86 46. He did not take it down. He did not apologize. Mr. Comey has done both of those things. The Biden Justice Department never prosecuted him. By the standard of that grand jury, Jack Poskobiec should face charges as well. Will the Justice Department pursue that case? Because they sound very similar.

[Will Saletan]

Good question. So how did Blanche answer it?

[Todd Blanche]

You cannot compare. Well, what happened last time, what happened this time. Every investigation is different. You know that. The American people know that.

[Will Saletan]

Oh, yeah, every investigation is different. I mean, it's not at all about treating Trump differently from Biden. Right. And Blanche says the seashells are just. They're just part of the Investigation. He says, oh, he has a lot more evidence against Comey.

[Maria Bartiromo]

How does that image of seashells amount to a serious threat against the President's life?

[Todd Blanche]

Well, every case requires an investigation, and what you just showed is one part of that investigation. What you just showed is the Instagram post. Rest assured that the career assistant United States attorneys in North Carolina, the career FBI agents, the career Secret Service agents that investigated this case, didn't just look at the Instagram post and walk away.

[Will Saletan]

Okay, so it sounds like he's found more evidence. Right? So what is it?

[Todd Blanche]

I am not permitted to get into the details of what the grand jury heard or found, as you know. But rest assured that it's not just the Instagram post that leads somebody to get indicted.

[Will Saletan]

Oh, so. So he's not permitted to get into the details. You know, that's weird, because remember the guy who tried to attack the White House Correspondents Dinner? I could swear. I could swear that within, like, 12 hours of that incident, Blanche was, like, all over TV telling us lots of details about that evidence.

[Todd Blanche]

We believe that he traveled by train from Los Angeles to Chicago and then from Chicago to Washington, D.C. we're still looking into. Into what happened, how he got the guns, if he got them legally. But what we do know is, is that. Is that he tried to use them. He did have two firearms and some knives on his person when he tried to use them.

[Will Saletan]

That. That was 12 hours after the incident. Blanche was. He was telling us everything. But now in the Comey case, I mean, it's been 12 months since that picture of the seashells, and Blanche has absolutely nothing to show for it. Okay. Instead, he's claiming that since all that time has passed, just the time itself, that must mean that the investigators have more evidence against Comey.

[Todd Blanche]

And it should be evident by the fact that it's been 11 months since the posting and the indictment. There is an investigation that takes place, and that's the. The result of that investigation is the indictment that was returned last week.

[Will Saletan]

In fact, he claims that the fact that Comey got indicted is itself proof. It's proof that Comey is guilty.

[Kristen Welker]

Do you have proof that the former FBI director knowingly and willfully threatened the life of the President?

[Todd Blanche]

The grand jury indicted Mr. Comey yesterday. Grand juries hear evidence. That evidence is not something that anybody can talk about today. But when you talk about whether proof exists, the proof that we have is in the fact that the grand jury returned an indictment.

[Will Saletan]

Wait a minute. The Acting Attorney General of the United States says an indictment is proof of guilt that is instantly disqualifying. Look, you don't even have to go to law school. If you've ever watched even, like, a TV show about a crime, you know that what he's saying is. Is completely whacked. And let me show you the indictment of Comey. Here it is. All it says is that Comey posted a picture of seashells in the shape of 8647. That's it. That's the whole thing. It's two pages. There's no other evidence presented. Okay, so if Blanche has nothing to show us against Comey, then why did Comey get indicted? Well, here's an obvious answer. Trump fired. He fired the previous Attorney General, Pam Bondi, for not. For not moving fast enough to indict Comey. And a couple of weeks ago, Kristen Welker on Meet the Press asked Blanche about what Trump did to Bondi.

[Maria Bartiromo]

Back on September 20th, President Trump publicly posted a private message to then Attorney General Pam Bondi, pressuring her to prosecute Secretary Senator Adam Schiff. James Comey and Letitia James writing, quote, they're all guilty as hell, but nothing is going to be done. They impeached me twice. They indicted me five times over nothing. Justice must be served. Now, why should the public believe that any case brought against the individuals listed there is an independent law enforcement decision and not retribution?

[Todd Blanche]

Well, because you have investigations and you have indictments.

[Will Saletan]

Oh, so, so the President tells the Attorney General to indict Comey, and the Attorney General gets an indictment of Comey, and that proves the indictment is honest. I mean, can you imagine going on TV and saying that? And then Blanche said this.

[Todd Blanche]

Do you think, or do the American people think that. That nothing was done on those cases until President Trump posted that. That truth in September? Now, these are ongoing investigations. Investigations take time.

[Will Saletan]

Dude, can we put that message from Trump back on the screen? Look at that. He literally wrote, no action. Nothing is being done. Okay. And then Blanche goes on TV and says word for word that Americans shouldn't believe nothing was being done. I mean, he's lying to your face.

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[Will Saletan]

But wait, wait, it gets better. Blanche says if Trump does tell him to investigate somebody, he'll do it. He'll do it just because the President told him to do it.

[Kyle's Mom]

If the President comes to you and says, hey, I think you should look into X, Y and Z person, do you see it as your role to do that?

[Todd Blanche]

Of course. That's exactly how cases are made. Cases are made by individuals, by organizations identifying people they think are committing crimes. The fact the President does it publicly and doesn't do it in secret shouldn't frustrate people. He's telling you exactly what he thinks.

[Will Saletan]

Okay, so Blanche did exactly what Trump wanted. He got an indictment of Comey on this ridiculous charge that was April 28th. And then three days later, three days on May 1st, Trump said this, by

[Donald Trump]

the way, and our attorney general is doing a very good job, isn't he, Todd? Blanche, he's done a very good job. A lot of action. There's a lot of pent up action.

[Will Saletan]

A lot of action, says Trump. Remember, Trump's message to Bondi complained that there was no action against Comey. So he fires Bondi and he appoints Blanche. And Blanche announces an indictment of Comey and Trump says, good job, a lot of action. Look, what happened here is totally obvious. Blanche is prosecuting people at Trump's personal direction. And then he's claiming that if he gets an indictment against those people, that means they're guilty. But. But if Trump gets indicted, Blanche says that's not proof that Trump is guilty. Oh, no, no. If Trump gets indicted, what that proves, according to Blanche, is that the Justice Department was weaponized against Trump.

[Todd Blanche]

When you saw a weaponization of this department, the likes of which had never been seen in history, and some of you are looking down now, and I get it, because you had a president who was indicted four times by this department. You had a president who, along with this department, had assistance. So this department helped two other local DAs go after the president.

[Will Saletan]

He's right. Trump was indicted four times. And those indictments of Trump, they weren't empty and two pages long, like. Like that indictment of Comey. The Trump indictments were jam packed with evidence. And Blanche stands there and tells you that the fully documented indictments of Trump were weaponization. Now, why would he do that? Why would Blanche try to sell you this obvious double standard to protect Trump? The answer is simple. He was literally. Blanche was literally Donald Trump's lawyer. That's how he got to be the acting Attorney General. I mean, don't take it from me. Listen to what Trump said about him just last week.

[Donald Trump]

We have a man who's doing a great job. I'll tell you, I knew it, because he kept me out of jail for years. Acting Attorney General Carte Blanche. He kept me out of jail. They would indict me left and right.

[Will Saletan]

He kept me out of jail. I mean, Trump just says it out loud. Blanche worked for Trump to fight off indictments and keep him out of jail. And now Blanche is still working for Trump, but now, now his job is to deliver indictments against Trump's enemies. And he's not just keeping Trump out of jail. On Tuesday, Blanche signed an agreement that authorizes, get this. A $1.8 billion fund paid for by you, the taxpayer, to compensate people who claim, like Trump, that the Justice Department was weaponized against them. Okay? That includes people like the guys who beat up cops on January 6. And the money in that fund will be administered by a commission of five people. Five people. Guess who appoints four of those five people. Todd Blanche. So at a hearing on Tuesday, Blanche was asked whether that money will go to people who attacked cops on January 6th. And here's what he said.

[Kristen Welker]

Will you agree to encourage those commissioners to set a guideline that compensation will

[Todd Blanche]

not go to individuals who are convicted of assaulting police officers? I expect I just. A yes would answer my question or no. Yes, we'll not answer that question. I mean, you're asking whether I will Encourage? I don't think that's a fair word. I don't think it's the Attorney General's job to encourage commissioners to do or not do anything.

[Will Saletan]

You heard him. The January 6th felons are eligible for the fund, and he's not going to tell the commissioners to block them. Your tax dollars are going to pay people who beat up cops to help Donald Trump overthrow an election. But, but please, please don't ever suggest that Blanche is doing all of this to serve Trump. Watch what happened at that hearing when Senator Chris Van Hollen asked Blanche about this whole corrupt arrangement.

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

So you're not going to. You're not going to submit this proposal to any federal judge or independent.

[Todd Blanche]

There is no judge.

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Any independent authority that.

[Todd Blanche]

An independent. What does that mean, an independent authority?

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

It means not somebody who's getting to pick five of the members. Who was the president's former personal attorney. That would be somebody who would be independent.

[Todd Blanche]

I'm the acting Attorney general, okay? The fact that I used to be President Trump's lawyer is just a fact. But I'm the acting Attorney General. So don't say the president's former personal lawyer will do something. The acting Attorney general will do something.

[Senator Chris Van Hollen]

Mr. Attorney General, you are acting today like the president's personal attorney. And that's the whole problem.

[Will Saletan]

Exactly. Look, what happened here is real simple. Donald Trump is a criminal. He was indicted and convicted in 2024 because he's a criminal. And Todd Blanche was his lawyer. So the criminal became president, and he put his lawyer in charge of the Justice Department to prosecute Trump's enemies and pay off Trump's criminal allies. And that's why when Blanche goes on TV and pretends that all of this is totally legit, he sounds like such an idiot. See you next time.

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