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Tim Miller
Hey everybody. Tim Miller from the Bulwark. Here it is Sunday afternoon. I hope you had a Sunday morning like me. I got to sleep in a little bit.
Matt
I played with my daughter, we shot some hoops, I went to my ladies weights class. We got some smoothies.
Tim Miller
And amidst all this, Meet the Press was airing an interview with the President of the United States, Donald Trump. People kept telling me how crazy it was, how insane he seems.
Donald Trump
And you're crooked and Meet the Press is crooked and so is abc.
Tim Miller
And so rather than know go back and punish myself with that, I figured that I would just come here and blind react to the interview with you guys. I'm hoping that many of you also
Matt
had a lovely Sunday morning like I did and didn't spend it watching Donald Trump. And for those of you who are
Tim Miller
like me, we can kind of just experience this together. My guy Matt is here.
Matt
He didn't have a great morning. He suffered through the Donald Trump interview and others.
Tim Miller
And so he's put together, you know, some of the lowlights, if you will. And so why don't we go through them one, one at a time. Here's the President of the United States
Matt
on Meet the Press this morning with Kristen Welker.
Tim Miller
The first clip.
Matt
Wait, I don't know what it's about. You show me.
Kristen Welker
So is this a war as long as there's a naval blockade in place?
Donald Trump
Well, we have a blockade. It's been extremely effective. And the reason we have it is they try to blockade. And now we blockaded them and as you know, they're losing 4 to $500 million a day. It's not sustainable for them. They have an economy that's shot in addition to everything else. Their leaders are gone, their generals are gone, their first tier and second tier are gone. Much of their third tier is gone. But they put up a blockade and so we blockaded them and we have the ultimate blockade. I don't consider that a war, but if you want to define it as such, I guess you can.
Kristen Welker
Well, how do you define it?
Donald Trump
I don't define it at all. I don't think about it. I just do what I have to do.
Tim Miller
I don't think about it. This is how blockades work, right? You know, you just blockade their blockade and then someone else blockades your blockade. And if you're blockading all the blockades, then you're not really in a war. It doesn't really solve any of the issues. And I think that what you hear there from Trump is him trying to offer, I think what he thinks is
Matt
his off ramp from this war.
Tim Miller
He doesn't want to go back in.
Matt
He's been totally humiliated.
Tim Miller
It is now about 100 days since he demanded unconditional surrender from Iran for the war to end. Since then, we have been negotiating with them. We've been the ones that are changing our demands and lessening our demands. We're nowhere near unconditional surrender. Trump has been completely embarrassed. It's been a level of weakness, like unseen from a president in recent memory. And think about all the times that
Matt
the Fox guys and the hawks went after Obama for not following his red line in Syria.
Tim Miller
That is nothing compared to this when
Matt
it comes to not backing up your words from a military standpoint.
Tim Miller
And so what he wants to do to get out of this is he
Matt
hopes that they cry uncle via this
Tim Miller
blockade, but the blockade isn't really a blockade. You know, the Strait of Hormuz is an open. Both Iranian and American ships are getting through a little bit. There's a trickle of them. They're both coming through. And so, you know, I guess that's, this is his hoping against hope that
Matt
he doesn't have to win this war via war. And, you know, that he, there's, you know, he doesn't have to do anything else he doesn't want to do. He's hoping that they just cry uncle because of the blockade and
Tim Miller
not see
Matt
a lot of evidence that that path is going to work out. But we'll see.
Tim Miller
All right, what else we got?
Kristen Welker
Saying you would consider sending some of the troops home, sir? Some of the 50,000 troops who were sent there as a part of operation.
Donald Trump
It costs us very little to keep them there. I don't consider them in danger. We have the best defense anyone's ever seen. We have the best offense anyone's ever seen. So I don't consider danger. I would say it would be foolhardy to do that because maybe we may use them. It's unlikely, but I think we'll keep them there. Until such time as we have a completion. And when we have a completion, you will see things like you've never seen.
Matt
A lot of lies there from the president.
Tim Miller
I first just want to start with Kristen Welker. I hate to nitpick, but I don't think the interviewers need to call him sir. He wants to be called sir. He has all of his imaginary sir stories. Why, you don't need to do that. It's not necessary. He's not really. Ike earned that level of respect. Obviously, he's the president, so you can call him that. But it just bugs me a little bit as to Trump's answer. The lies and the troops are in danger. Thirteen troops have died. We don't actually know the extent of all of the injuries that we have from our troops because the government's not being transparent with us.
Matt
It seems like it's a lot worse than the public reports show, really, when it comes to, you know, how much damage we've had to our military installations and our material, but also the injuries to troops over there. So they are. They are in danger. That's not. Not true, what he's saying about them not being in danger.
Tim Miller
He also says it costs us very little to keep them there. Also not true. It is costing us ungodly amounts of money. It's significant just to keep the war
Matt
going is, you know, day by day, is in the billions.
Tim Miller
But on top of that, all the damage I just discussed, like, we're gonna have to rebuild our military. We are going to have to go out and procure more bullets and drones and missiles and, like, everything, right, we've incurred a lot of damage. All of that needs to be replenished and rebuilt. And so, like, the costs of this war are. Are extensive, both to the budget of the United States, which is in trouble as it is, but also the cost to the American people, who are paying
Matt
higher prices for things because of the war.
Tim Miller
So it is costing us a lot to keep.
Matt
Keep them there. They are in danger.
Tim Miller
And I don't even know what he
Matt
means by, when we have a completion, you'll see things we've never seen.
Tim Miller
I don't like hearing Donald Trump talking about his completions, but I don't.
Matt
I don't think that there's anything coming at the end of this that is in any way benefiting America more so than what the status quo was before the war started. So there we go. What else we got?
Kristen Welker
Gases up, diesel is up.
Donald Trump
It's all coming down as soon as the war zone.
Kristen Welker
70% of farmers say they can't afford fertilizer.
Donald Trump
What's your Farmers are doing very well.
Kristen Welker
Let me ask you, what is your message to farmers? Many who support you, but who say
Donald Trump
they're struggling, who say nobody, but better to farm. You know, I gave farmers last term $28 billion because China took advantage and other people and, you know, paid for China last year. You know, I had a great first term. I had the greatest economy ever. And you know what? This one's blowing it away.
Kristen Welker
What's your message to farmers, though, Mr. President, who say they are struggling? They're struggling to make.
Donald Trump
Am I allowed to talk?
You keep asking questions and you don't listen to the answers. I love the farmers and the farmers love me and the farmers trust me. In the first term, I had something very similar.
China and others were in Canada, which was brutal.
They were taking advantage of our farmers. They don't take advantage of anymore.
I gave them $28 billion split up. They never had a payday like that.
And the farmers loved me and they came back and they voted for me in record numbers. You know that nobody's ever even come close.
Tim Miller
Well, a lot of those farmers are
Matt
having some regrets right now, in case you, like me, didn't watch this interview. So apparently this was taking place outside at a farm in Wisconsin. They're trying to have a pro ag messaging event and it started raining. So that was the. On the tin roof there
Tim Miller
again, so many lies with what he's saying.
Matt
This stuff is not, I mean, I
Tim Miller
guess if the war is over, it would come down slightly, but it's not
Matt
coming down for a long time. I mean, we've had gas experts here on this channel who will tell you it's going to take at this point into 2027, best case scenario, to get prices down to where they were before. The war has started. The fertilizer crisis is real.
Tim Miller
I talked to Josh Turek earlier this week who is running for Senate in Iowa. It's going to be one of the hot Senate races. And he was talking about, you know, from his campaign throughout the state, like a lot of farmers are really concerned about the price of fertilizer, particularly looking ahead to the fall planting season where they're going to be able to afford
Matt
to plant, do what they need in order to potentially make a profit or be sustainable with their farms.
Donald Trump
Absolutely.
Josh Turek
The tariffs have, have crushed our farmers. And that's why we hear betrayal. Trump administration gives $20 billion to Argentina. Meanwhile, our Iowa soybean farmers are upside down on their commodities prices.
Tim Miller
It's kind of funny that like the Trump, Trump's Trump has no message for farmers. I don't. You would think that they have come up with something better for a farm themed interview than I did. $28 billion of farmer socialism five years ago. It's like, great, so you did farm socialism. Congrats.
Matt
You gave my money people, all the people watching this YouTube video, unless they're a farmer, you gave their hard earned money that they earned. They go to work every day, had to pay a bill to the government. They're struggling. I assume many of you are struggling and would like to have a little extra cash around and your money was taken from you by the government and given as a handout to farmers so they would vote for Donald Trump.
Tim Miller
And you know, that little bit of farmer socialism worked. But like, what's the plan?
Matt
Are you going to just do that again?
Tim Miller
More theft from the American people and
Matt
passing along to the farmers that you've screwed over with your policies, Whether they be tariffs, whether they be the stupid war it is, you know, totally
Tim Miller
without
Matt
any substance or merit. I mean, this is what I was talking to Turek about. Like, the only rationale for somebody in farm country being for Trump is cultural issues at this point. Like, he has been a total disaster for agriculture.
Tim Miller
It's not even just the tariffs and the war.
Matt
It's a lot of the Doge stuff. Money for programs like Healthy Meals for Kids that was funding a lot of
Tim Miller
smaller farmers in the country who were
Matt
growing healthy fruits and veggies that were being used to go to the school program.
Tim Miller
That's been across the board,
Matt
this administration has just been an assault on rural America.
Tim Miller
And I think that really it's, you
Matt
know, why they're doing this politically. Like, you know why he's trying to shine this turd.
Tim Miller
Because that's going to be the key,
Matt
maybe the key swing demo for whether they can keep the Senate this year, whether or not they can be successful in farm states like Iowa, like Nebraska. There's a strong independent running Dan Osborne and obviously their farm parts of some of these other states where there's going to be races as well be that Ohio, Texas, Florida.
Tim Miller
So TBD and all that.
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Matt
I, I.
Tim Miller
My understanding is that the, the temperature rises from here through the rest of the interview and, and old Donnie has a temper tantrum at the end. So I'm excited to see that. Let's see what else we got.
Kristen Welker
Our gas prices going higher or have they peaked?
Donald Trump
They're going to come low, very low. They're going to go lower than they were before.
Have they peaked as soon? Well, it depends.
I mean, it depends where the war guns. It could be I'll have to give them a shot and it could be we'll sign an agreement. If we sign an agreement, they'll go down now. Otherwise, they'll go down after we're finished.
Kristen Welker
You have.
Tim Miller
He doesn't give a. He doesn't give a. It was all fake. Him pretending like he cared about gas
Matt
prices was all fake. He cares about himself. He doesn't care about the pain he's causing people. He has no idea. Gas prices have not peaked. I promise you, they've not peaked. So. Well, we'll see who's right about that. Let's go to the next one.
Kristen Welker
Just to be very clear, are you backing off the fund completely, as your acting Attorney General, Todd Blanche has said, or are you looking for another avenue to revise?
Donald Trump
Let me explain what the fund is. People have been hurt so badly by
radical left lunatics that work for the Biden administration and Sleepy Joe. They're vicious, they're violent. What they did to people. And of course they went after me
more than anybody else. They raided Mar A Lago and all the other things. But people have been badly hurt.
They've committed suicide. They've lost their jobs, they've lost their families, they've lost their wives. They've lost everything. They've lost everything over a fake weaponization
Kristen Welker
of government for a way to revive it.
Donald Trump
Well, it's.
Look, it was up to me, I'd pay them the kind of money that they deserve. People have been destroyed. Lives have been destroyed. Many suicides. Think of it. People have committed suicide because a bunch of thugs went after them. So me personally, I think the weaponization fund is a great idea and so do many other Republicans. You have to get it approved. If they get it approved, that's to going great. If they don't get it approved, I'd be disappointed.
Matt
You hear the rain picking up there? You hear God's judgment on the weaponization fund?
Tim Miller
There's a lot there that's pretty disgusting. And I think that rather we spent
Matt
a lot of time talking about just how horrible and corrupt and upsetting this sludge fund is and the pot. On Thursday, I interviewed reporter at Lawfare who talked about all of the subsequent crimes that have been committed by January 6th. Insurrectionists that were pardoned, 90 plus. She was able to identify a lot of really heinous crimes.
Tim Miller
And so, you know, like, I think
Matt
that everybody watching this knows how bad this is.
Tim Miller
The thing that pisses me off most
Matt
about it is the rationale for it, like his. His comments that are actually the inverse of what is true. The idea that it was the thugs were the people that were defending the Capitol. The thugs were the people that worked for the Justice Department, the prosecutors, the civil servants that are trying to make sure that there's justice done and that people who tried to tear down our democracy, like, were held to account at some level. All the insurrectionists had due process. All the rioters in due process. They had a chance to, you know, defend themselves in court. Many of them pled guilty. People that didn't have that were the people that they attacked. And Trump talks about all the suicides. So strange. You never hear him have empathy for anybody. It's like the only people he has empathy for, the people that he duped into storming the Capitol on his behalf. But there were some other suicides after January 6th.
Tim Miller
Howard Lebengood is a Capitol Police officer
Matt
who died by suicide three days after the attack. Jeffrey Smith, an MPD officer who died by suicide nine days after the riot. Kyle Defreytag was an MPD officer who committed suicide that summer, and so did Gunther Hashida. They were an MPD Emergency Response Team officer.
Tim Miller
You know, we don't know exactly what the relationship was between the fact that
Matt
they had to go live through hell that day and be attacked by the actual thugs, people that were spearing them and spraying them with their own mace and hitting them. You have to assume that there's not zero connection. Officer Sicknick, Ryan Sicknick died in the days after he suffered grievous wounds that day on January 6th. No, nothing from the President of the United States about the suffering of those people, the suffering that he caused.
Tim Miller
Right. You have to assume we know Brian
Matt
Sicknick would be alive.
Tim Miller
You have to assume that any of
Matt
these officers who committed suicide would be alive.
Tim Miller
That, by the way, also that the
Matt
writers have killed themselves. A lot of them might be alive if Donald Trump had not made up a lie about the election because this
Tim Miller
little feelings were hurt.
Matt
He was a little baby.
Tim Miller
He Couldn't deal with the fact that he lost. We had to throw a tantrum.
Matt
He had to throw the biggest tantrum in history. A tantrum so big that he fooled other people into believing that he was the right one. And he fooled a lot of people. He ruined a lot of their lives and he ruined a lot of the lives of the people who were defending the Capitol that day. And the idea that we need some taxpayer funded fund to be doled out to the attackers and nothing. For those who are defending the country, smears actually. For those who are defending the country, they get smeared and targeted by Donald Trump and by his friends and allies all the time. It is really grotesque. And this is why I didn't watch Meet the Press this morning. My blood pressure is getting up again.
Tim Miller
My understanding is Donald Trump's blood pressure
Matt
got up as well.
Tim Miller
Sometimes that happens. Kind of projecting. You see this, you know, maybe and yourself or a child where you're kind of in an argument, you know you're wrong, you know you're guilty, but you're, you're dug in. And then you start to lose your cool a little bit, start to lose your temper. That happens to Donald Trump when he's talking about January 6th.
Matt
That happens to Donald Trump when he's talking about the lies about the 2020 election.
Tim Miller
And now he's got a whole new,
Matt
brand new set of lies that he's bringing up about the elections going forward. And that's where this interview comes to a head. And I believe that's where he walks off. Let's watch the end of the interview with Donald Trump talking about the 2020 election and his claims about what's happening
Tim Miller
in California right now.
Kristen Welker
Acknowledge they are slow. They're urging.
Donald Trump
No, they're crooked.
Kristen Welker
They're urging the votes to be counted quickly. That's how they vote.
Donald Trump
They're crooked, just like you're crooked. Your press is crooked and Meet the Press is crooked.
Kristen Welker
To be fair, I'm not crooked.
Donald Trump
But let's really. Well, you play right into their hands.
Kristen Welker
Let's continue.
Donald Trump
You're either crooked, you're stupid, you play right into their hands with this. You know that these elections are rigged. Your network knows that they're rigged. You know that I won an election in a landslide And I got 94% bad press.
Kristen Welker
But, Mr. President, you know why I got that present?
Donald Trump
Because you have no credibility.
Kristen Welker
But you've never presented evidence that it was rigged. Let's keep talking about, I want to talk about.
Donald Trump
You have more evidence. There's more evidence than ever Presented. Let's talk your elections in this country. We're like a third world country. Your elections are crooked and you're crooked and Meet the Press is crooked and so is ABC and CBS and CNN. Mr. President, your one sided crooked network. So let's call it quits because I've had enough. Thank you, darling. Have a good time.
Kristen Welker
Mr. President, let's please. I traveled all the way to Wisconsin. I've sat rain with you. I know I sat in the rain with you for an hour on and
Donald Trump
off in the rain. And I've given you enough time. You ought to straighten out your press because you know what? A country can never be great with a dishonest.
Kristen Welker
Listen, we traveled all the way to Wisconsin for this interview.
Matt
He is such a piece of and a baby. It's just kind of unbelievable, honestly, that the American people could put this ass clown in the White House two times.
Tim Miller
Which takes me to the obvious rebuttal to his whole just flood of lies and complaints and grievances there about the elections, which is he won twice. It's so insane that you have a person who had no qualifications, no character, no background to be the president. And yet because we live in a democratic system, which I want to defend but sometimes don't love, he became the most powerful man in the world because he won an election fair and square.
Matt
He lost the first election, actually.
Tim Miller
He got fewer votes, but he won based on the system that we have, he won the electoral college. This would not be possible in other first world countries. So I guess that's the one area we agree the system is a little bit of a third world system because it's only possible that a reality TV show host could become this powerful in a third world system. But it's not a third world system because we cheat. The votes were counted, he won in 16, the electoral college, he lost in 20 and then he won again. It's like the President of the United States, who won, who has both houses of Congress, whose party won the House of Representatives, whose party won the Senate, is sitting there saying our elections are rigged. Well, if our elections are rigged, why are you here? Why do I have to listen to you? If only like the elections were rigged. Don't you think that Sleepy Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would have rigged it for her or for him for that matter? This is lunacy to have to listen to this. The fact that people believe this nonsense is hard to understand. It's like he won twice and now he's sitting there ranting about how all of Our elections are rigged because he doesn't like the outcome of a mayor's
Matt
election in la, I guess, which we'll
Tim Miller
get to in a second, and the
Matt
governor's race in California.
Tim Miller
And the other thing that jumped out to me before we get to California is he keeps saying, your elections are crooked. You're crooked. Your elections are crooked. Which is a very revealing insight into
Matt
his psyche,
Tim Miller
that despite being elected president twice, he still doesn't see himself as
Matt
a representative of all of America. He doesn't. He doesn't see himself as the
Tim Miller
leader
Matt
of the free world, of course, but
Tim Miller
the leader of the country. He doesn't see himself as the person that is a steward of our democracy or democratic institutions.
Matt
None of this.
Tim Miller
Like, we all know all this. But it's interesting how it comes out
Matt
in certain ways when he's talking about
Tim Miller
how your elections are crooked. It's like you're the president of the country. It's our elections, it's our country. Unfortunately, we have to be in it with you. And he can't process that because, like, the only thing that his brain is able to think about as a megalomaniac
Matt
is the things that have to do with himself.
Tim Miller
So elections that he's not in aren't
Matt
his elections or your elections. Right.
Tim Miller
Elections that his results you don't like are not.
Matt
He's not a part of. That's you. That's some other thing. That's some. That's some. They. You know, you hear that in the. In his back and forth with Kristen there.
Tim Miller
You're crooked.
Matt
They're crooked.
Donald Trump
No, they're crooked.
Kristen Welker
They're urging the votes to be counted quick. That's how they vote.
Donald Trump
They're crooked, just like you're crooked.
Tim Miller
Who's they? I don't know. He doesn't ever say. Like, he says, we have a lot of evidence. He doesn't say what the evidence is.
Matt
There's some, like, vague, spooky, they out there. Some. Some enemy for people to fear, some
Tim Miller
group of people that others can project on.
Matt
You know, for some people, maybe it's like the Jews or the corporate elites or the Democrats or the liberals or the. Whatever, the immigrants. You know, there's always like this. They.
Tim Miller
It's.
Matt
They did it to us.
Tim Miller
And it is a deeply pernicious way
Matt
for anyone to think. But for the President of the United States to think it, it's just a total shame on our system that this man was allowed to get back into
Tim Miller
power with that worldview. So his handling of her at the end is Also disgusting.
Donald Trump
You're either crooked or you're stupid.
Matt
A little sexist comment, dismissive. He doesn't believe that he has to be accountable to the press of the people. It is.
Tim Miller
The whole thing is disgusting.
Matt
The whole thing is gross. And I just want to say one more thing about California, because like on
Tim Miller
Thursday's pod, Daviel and I, several times
Matt
I've criticized the California accounting system and,
Tim Miller
you know, I've gotten some pushback from
Matt
people in California on two things.
Tim Miller
Like, one, they just say, oh, we
Matt
shouldn't have to change our system because other people like Donald Trump are going to lie about it. And I understand that should. In therapy they tell me, should. Words don't really matter, though. You shouldn't think in should words. But they shouldn't have to change their system or do anything with their system because Donald Trump's gonna lie about it in a perfect world. I guess I hear that. And then also there's this kind of statement that California values are enfranchising in as many people as possible, and that's a good thing.
Tim Miller
It's like.
Matt
Well, actually, like Minnesota and Wisconsin enfranchise more people than California does, have higher percentage of people that turn out to vote, have very easy access for people to vote, and they manage to count their ballots quite quickly. And so they can do it. If Minnesota and Wisconsin could do it, I don't see why California couldn't figure
Tim Miller
out how to do it. And even if you're not for that, even if you think you don't care, if you think it's a good system, that Nithya Raman, who's running for mayor, who's going to beat Spencer Pratt, Hell yeah, Nithya. And get into the runoff. She conceded like five days ago because it seems like she was going to lose. And it takes California so long to
Matt
count that, like, all the late ballots came in and there for her because a lot of mail in ballots for
Tim Miller
her anyway, it wasn't cheating. It's just a stupid system that the
Matt
person running thought that they had lost and then a week later it's like, oopsie, no, they haven't. They won.
Tim Miller
Actually, when you have a system like that, it's going to breed distrust.
Matt
It just is.
Tim Miller
And it's going to breed distrust when you have somebody like Donald Trump out there, a total piece of shit, who is going to look for every weakness
Matt
in a system and try to abuse it and manipulate it to his own benefit.
Tim Miller
Well, then I just think that if you care about protecting our democracy, then you should care about cleaning up our
Matt
system a little bit so that these
Tim Miller
opportunities are not put on a silver
Matt
platter for people that want to tear down and ruin our democracy.
Tim Miller
So that's my point with the California thing. The California election is totally appropriate. If it was 1882 and we were counting ballots on horse and buggy, this would be fine. If it was 1996 and we had
Matt
Bill Clinton and Bob Dole, two institutionalists who were leading both parties who were not going to cause any trouble, then it probably wouldn't be that big of a deal either. It'd be a little annoying. But that's not where we're at.
Tim Miller
Like, we got to fight for our
Matt
democracy and protect our democracy from pieces of shit like the president. And California is just like handing him a weapon to hit them over the head with. Did our democracy over the head with. And I don't understand why, because there are plenty of other states that have figured out how to both give people access to vote and also count votes. And so, you know, the system is
Tim Miller
not, is not rigged. We are not a third world country. We count our votes. The winners get in office, as evidenced
Matt
by the fact that Donald Trump got in office twice.
Tim Miller
That's what's happening in California. That's a good thing. If you have any people in your life that don't believe it, I'm happy
Matt
to go to the mat to defend the integrity of the count in California because the count is totally fine. What they're doing is accurate, but they're also just giving a massive, massive weapon to the other side to use to make our democracy more fragile. And I think that that sucks.
Tim Miller
So Donald Trump, not a great president,
Matt
not doing a good job on any level is how I'll close that.
Tim Miller
This is why I don't watch the Sunday morning shows anymore. All right? But I do it for you guys. So I'm going to go outside, finish my smoothie. Hopefully you guys can enjoy your weekend. We'll see you back here Monday with
Matt
Bill Crystal for the Bulwark Podcast. Subscribe to the feed. I'd really appreciate it. We'll see you all soon.
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Episode: Trump Completely Loses It During Bizarre NBC Interview
Date: June 7, 2026
Hosts: Tim Miller & Matt (The Bulwark)
This episode centers on Tim Miller and Matt reacting to Donald Trump’s much-discussed and chaotic NBC/Meet the Press interview with Kristen Welker. The conversation dissects Trump’s evasive, combative, and false claims on topics ranging from the ongoing war and American foreign policy to gas prices, support for farmers, the infamous January 6th insurrection, and persistent allegations of election fraud. The Bulwark hosts provide critical commentary, call out misinformation, and reflect on the broader ramifications for American democracy.
[02:13 - 04:05]
[04:09 - 06:44]
[06:59 - 10:51]
[13:13 - 18:15]
[19:01 - 20:27]
[25:06 - 28:48]
On Trump's Absurd Blockade Explanation:
“You blockade their blockade and then someone blockades your blockade. And if you’re blockading all the blockades, then you’re not really in a war.”
— Tim Miller ([02:19])
On Farmer Handouts:
“So you did farm socialism. Congrats… More theft from the American people and passing along to the farmers that you’ve screwed over with your policies.”
— Tim Miller ([09:32], [10:18])
On January 6th Victims:
“You never hear him have empathy for anybody. It’s like the only people he has empathy for, the people that he duped into storming the Capitol.”
— Tim Miller ([15:12])
On Trump's Worldview:
“He still doesn’t see himself as a representative of all of America...the only thing that his brain is able to think about as a megalomaniac is the things that have to do with himself.”
— Tim Miller ([22:56], [23:40])
On California’s Counting System:
“It’s going to breed distrust when you have somebody like Donald Trump out there—a total piece of shit—who is going to look for every weakness in a system and try to abuse it and manipulate it to his own benefit.”
— Tim Miller ([26:46])
| Segment | Start | End | |-----------------------------------------------|-----------|-----------| | Blockade/Iran War Response | 01:33 | 04:05 | | Troops/Cost Discussion | 04:09 | 06:44 | | Farmers, Gas Prices, Fertilizer | 06:59 | 11:47 | | Weaponization Fund/Jan 6th Rhetoric | 13:13 | 18:15 | | Election Meltdown/Leaving Interview | 19:01 | 20:27 | | California Counting & Broader Democracy | 25:06 | 28:48 |
Tim and Matt deliver a scathing, well-substantiated critique of Trump’s interview performance, highlighting the dangers of misinformation, demagoguery, and institutional fragility in American democracy. The episode stands out for its blend of fact-checking, sharp wit, and genuine concern for the country’s future—a must-listen/summary for anyone following U.S. politics in 2026.
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