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JVL
Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the Bulwark. Before we get started breaking down Trump's absolutely bananas appearance on Fox and Friends, hit like hit. Subscribe follow the feed so you can stay, stay in all of the terrible news because nobody gives you terrible news like we do. So, guys, we're recording this Friday morning and the president United States has just hopped off the couch with Fox News and he had some things to say. Let's go to the tape.
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Donald Trump
Can I always say, I think just to protect us all and so Fox doesn't get sued and we all don't get sued and everything else. But I think with a high degree of certainty we have him in custody, right in custody. Everyone did a great job. We worked with the local police, the governor. Everybody did a great job. I don't want to go too far. I'd like to tell you some stories at how it happened. But essentially somebody that was very close to him turned him in. And that happens when you had some of those good shots. Somebody is going to say, whether it's apparent or whatever, I'd rather not say right now. They're going to announce it today, sometime later, probably talk about that. But somebody close to him turned him. You know, they said, whoa, it's interesting where we had very good pictures but not great, not perfect. And when you look at it, what happened is somebody and this happens a lot. It happened with the crazy Boston bomber, it happened with others. Somebody that's close, recognizes even a little tilt of the head which nobody else would do. And somebody that was very close to him said, hmm, that's him. And essentially went to the father, went to a U.S. marshal who was fantastic, by the way. And the person was involved with law enforcement, but was a person of faith, a minister and brought him to a U.S. marshal who was fantastic. And the father convinced the son, this is it. And again, I'm always subject to be corrected. But I'm just giving you based on what I'm hearing, they'll give you a much more active. I just heard about it five minutes before I walked in. As I'm walking in, they said looking real good. They have the person that they wanted. So you have breaking news, don't you? Huh? You always have breaking news. Ainsley, Sean, Sean's going to be very disappointed that, that we're not doing it on his show.
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Sarah Longwell
I mean, as, as more information is coming out, we'll do more videos on this as we learn more about the suspect. It's like it is we're in this world where Trump is like a streamer, you know, and he's just like on the couch, he's like, guys, I don't, you know, we don't actually know yet, but I'm hearing good things. It might have been the minister, might have been the dad, might have been the guy. We don't know, we don't know what the casings are in the bullets. And there's stuff going around this morning. Remember how yesterday they said it was going to be transgender? It was a transgender ideology. We don't know this for sure. So I'm not trying to be them, but like they walked it back. And then there's some sleuths online that are like, well, they're one of, there's a prominent bullet maker that, that has TRN stamped on the ammo. So like, it's possible that they're that stupid. I guess that's my point. We've already walked it back and we've got the fucking President of the United States just like live, live posting, you know what, what is happening?
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Tim Miller
This is again, minister. Did he mean the father? The father brought him in.
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Sarah Longwell
I think he meant that like the priest. I don't, I don't know. It's hard to sometimes translate Trump. But I think that what he's trying to live say is that maybe the father's priest recognized the kid and told the dad. But again, I, I, this stuff is, this is why you don't just sort of live, blurt, live bleat, like things in an ongoing investigation is that, you know, we'll know more later in the day. But my understanding of what Trump was, was expressing was that that was what he thought when he was like giving out half baked information on live national television.
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Tim Miller
Live national television in the most prominent manhunt and murder. And he's just, he's just taking what he heard five minutes before he walked in on the phone and he's repeating it in like a real game of telephone where he's like garbling like the actual facts. And he's also, the other thing he does during many of these clips that I find absolute, absolutely insane is he keeps talking about like, I'm breaking news here on your show. Sean is gonna be mad I didn't break the news on his show. Like his weird brain around the ratings and who's getting the scoop of him. But the fact that he is, you.
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Sarah Longwell
Realize that was also kind of a little neg because they had an affair. Ainsley. Well, now they're Together.
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Tim Miller
They're together.
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Sarah Longwell
Sean broke out up with his. So like Trump is also. This is also gossipy. Trump is what's happening. Yeah, great.
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JVL
It's all very serious.
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Donald Trump
They have professional agitators. They're professional. I had one the other night. I went into a restaurant and this woman stood up. I looked at her immediately. She had money. She wasn't, she wasn't serious. They get paid for it. They're professional from Soros and other people. And we're going to look into Soros because I think it's a RICO case against him and other people because this is more than like protests. This is real agitation. This is riots on the street and we're going to look into it.
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JVL
So I guess we're not free speech absolutists anymore.
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Sarah Longwell
That is correct. The other thing that is, this is, that's somewhat scary about this though. Part of it is he's just shooting off in the hip. But somewhat scary is, you know, I forget who I was talking to yesterday, but there. But oh, it was Aaron Ryan on the pod and she was trying to tamp down my fears about like this idea of using Kirk as a power grab. And like the one thing the just circumstance worked out here is that Utah's a red state. Orem is a red city, Provost Reds. You know, like it's all. You can't occupy the city and blame the radical leftists and the sit in locally. So the question is what can they do, you know, to try to use this to go after people, intimidate people, harass people. And to me like this is the tell there of what they would like to do. Right. Which is go after left wing groups, go after groups that are organizing the protests, you know, and use this funders. Funders like to chill funders.
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Tim Miller
Like we're going to go after Soros.
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Sarah Longwell
Yeah. So even if this has nothing to do with. And there's actually frankly no reason to believe that even if the guy is a leftist, there's no reason to believe that it was that he was part of some organized organization or whatever. But those organizations that dissent that to your point, JBL exercise their First Amendment rights to speak out about the government, they are the ones that are going to be targeted potentially with this as pre tax. And I think that's a very real worry right now.
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JVL
Yeah, I mean our, our friend of sort of. Sort of friend, distant friend, Nick Katosio wrote yesterday and he said, look, if this had happened in a blue state, Trump would have sent the National Guard in.
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Sarah Longwell
All right.
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JVL
I think that's entirely, entirely well.
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Tim Miller
But to be fair, did send Cash Patel and Dan Bongino to Utah to oversee the investigation in which Cash Patel stood on stage and looked like a confused fourth grader.
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JVL
Who.
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Sarah Longwell
Did you see the video of Cash backstage waiting for? Cash is standing there. He looks like the intern. He's, like, looking around. He's like, who's in charge here? Who's going to speak? Do I have to speak? I can't.
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Tim Miller
Is it me?
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Sarah Longwell
Oh, wait, is it me? Do I have to talk?
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Tim Miller
Because I don't know anything except that I put out a tweet saying that we had the guy when we didn't.
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Sarah Longwell
He should wear sunglasses inside. I think it would look douchey, but it would look better than his constantly panicked eye darting, I think.
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JVL
Is there a chance that he loses his job at some point in the near future? Because between this and the other shooting, which there was, again, seems to have been a lot of important, optimistic.
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Sarah Longwell
I have the Hagseth principle on this one. I think that it's possible he loses his job, but you got to find another stooge first.
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JVL
Yeah, well, damn.
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Tim Miller
Gino's right there. I mean, it's really why you put the two of them in a row. So.
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Sarah Longwell
Yeah, though.
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JVL
There'S that. There's that. Okay. And then we have talking about the radicals on the right and Donald Trump. I mean, I know you guys are gonna be shocked by this. Donald Trump understands that the radicals on the right, the. The true folk, as I like to think of them, they're just misunderstood.
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Tim Miller
We have radicals on the right as well. We have radicals on the left. People have gotten or watching all of these videos and cheering. Some people are cheering that Charlie was killed. How do we fix this country? How do we come back together?
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Donald Trump
I'll tell you something that's gonna get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. They don't want to see crime. Worried about the border, they're saying, we don't want these people coming in. We don't want you burning our shopping centers. We don't want you shooting our people in the middle of the street. The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy. Although they want men and women sports, they want transgender for everyone. They want open borders. The worst thing that happened to this country, because I've already solved inflation. Costs are down. Look at energy costs. You're going to have $2 gasoline pretty soon. I've solved just about every problem.
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JVL
So the radicals on the right, good hearted folks who are just misunderstood. They are.
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Donald Trump
No, no, no.
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JVL
Not misunderstood problems. I guess that's right.
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Tim Miller
Justified. They are justified that they, their concerns are worthy of radicalization. And why would we so that. And he even prefaces it with this. Well, I'm going to get in trouble for this because he knows that what he's saying is preposterous. He, that he is saying. And look. But this comports with exactly what he believes. January 6th, political violence. You let you pardon those guys. People on our side get pardons. People on their side are the problem. Their reasons for being radical are unjustified. Again, in the context of knowing absolutely nothing about this shooter, framing it as the far left is absurd, cynical, irresponsible. But also he is just saying very clearly radicalization on the right, not a problem because it's justified.
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Sarah Longwell
I would just throw out there. And obviously this is ridiculous. So rebutting it with facts is kind of silly. But you know, there's a shooting in Evergreen, that 16 year old boy. The evidence that we have right now is that he was radicalized online by. I don't. Whatever you mean by right and left, I guess, but by a Nazi, you know, kind of ideology. One of these far extremist groups on the right. We've seen a bunch of examples of this. I just, you know, obviously he's. It hasn't. Sarah and I went through this on the members only video last night, which people can go watch right here on this, on this very YouTube page, become.
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Tim Miller
Members and then you can watch it.
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Sarah Longwell
Yeah, we were talking about our feelings a lot and one of the things was I one of my feelings that now I'm bringing out behind the paywall. You're welcome. Everybody is, I don't know, I was expecting Trump to be worse so far. And like this is one of these examples, right, where he's doing this thing where it's kind of like, well, you know, like, oh, the radical right. Like you guys, you're making some good points out there. If you do stuff, it's these radical left that they're vicious, they're horrible. Maybe you want to look into it, right? He has not gone quite as far of being like we need vengeance. Right. I mean literally, Jesse Watters was on Fox the next day being like, I want to avenge, we need to avenge this.
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JVL
He was close. He did say we need to beat the hell. He did say we need to Beat the hell out of.
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Sarah Longwell
He did say we need to be the hot one. So it's the lowest of bars to say, like, he's trying to be cute, I guess is my point. He's trying to be cute with, with.
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JVL
This, I would say. I mean, everything you need to know about Donald Trump political violence is actually on display in the January 6th Committee. And it was in Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony. And she described the scene in, back backstage at the rally when the Secret Service is coming in and saying, we gotta be careful. A lot of these people are armed. And Donald Trump wanted them to take the magnetometers down and let his people in because as he said, they're not here to hurt me.
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Tim Miller
They're not here to hurt me.
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Sarah Longwell
Our people.
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Tim Miller
Yeah.
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JVL
So he was not upset with political violence. He knew that the violence was not going to be directed against him and that's what he cared about.
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Tim Miller
And let's just be clear. Trump is not just unbothered by political violence. He is at this moment, and he was at that moment hoping to foment increased political violence. He is trying to use this tragedy to turn us against each other, to create a back and forth of violence so that he has more pretextual opportunities to clamp down on people. To, to say that the chaos is the left's fault, to say that the violence is the left's fault. And this is why I think, like, the magnitude of what is happening is very high. And I think for people who are frustrated that maybe members of the mainstream media are being, if they, they feel like they're being sort of like overly kind to Charlie Kirk, whatever, I think that is people making the call of, like, I will not give them any ammunition for this pretextual case. I, I will do nothing to, like, I, I do think people, some people, I also think they're being like, no, we're the decent ones. Like, we actually are going to say this is a tragedy and awful. Donald Trump is going to use it as an opportunity to go after his.
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Sarah Longwell
Political enemies to this point. Can I do one bonus video on this, on this exact point Sarah made? Because it was something that struck me as unintentional admission from Donald Trump. Let's just listen to that.
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Donald Trump
I've been watching. Even the left is having a hard time. They fired this guy Dowd from Ms. Dnc, who's a terrible guy, terrible human being, but they fired him. I hear they're firing other people. And, you know, we're talking about radical left now. They're a little bit. But Radical left networks and cable channels, horrible channels like Ms. I always go DNC because it's, you know, somehow affiliated with the Democrat National Committee. So, you know, it's a little statement you make. But msnbc, but NBC, abc, cbs, they're all terrible, absolutely terrible and unfair. But even they have been giving it sort of like, this can't be allowed to happen. And I just love.
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Sarah Longwell
This is where he goes, the left's having a hard time. The radical left networks and the cable channels, they're all terrible. They're terrible and unfair. But even they've been like, this can't be allowed to happen. It's kind of like he was surprised in the middle of that. He also doesn't decide about Matt Dowd getting fired and how he's happy. I just love that Trump kind of. Trump betrays little surprise, right? That he's like, they aren't like us. Actually, they aren't behaving like us. You know, after the Paul Pelosi attack, my son and all the media networks I watched Newsmax and Fox were all trying to smear him and blame him and blame the victim, make fun of him, make fun of him.
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Tim Miller
Charlie Kirk said, let's bail him out.
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Sarah Longwell
After the Minnesota assassination of Melissa Hortman, everybody was trying to blame Tim Walls for some reason. And like there was all kinds of other, you know, Mike Lee was at the center. Mike Lee was posting all kinds of crazy stuff about, about that wasn't true about the perp. And Trump just is kind of like doing his stream of consciousness weave thing. He's like this, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta admit they're having a hard time. Like what are they having a hard time with? He sees it as them having a hard time because they're not using it against him.
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JVL
He sees it as weakness.
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Sarah Longwell
Weakness. Like he expects it as weakness. Yeah, he expects the rest of the media outlet stack like him and his people would and to be and to, you know, I don't know what make up fake rationales for this. I call it a false flag. Trump did it or something. I don't even really know what the left wing version of mag is. It's hard for me to get into their broken brains, but like that. I just thought it was a. Interesting, interesting reveal into the warped mind of Donald Trump.
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JVL
There's going to be lots more. Hit. Subscribe. Follow the channel. We'll keep you posted. Good luck, America.