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Tim Miller
Visit spinquest.com for more details. Hey everybody, Tim Miller from the Bulwark here with Sonny Bunch, our culture editor. And we want to respond to Donald Trump's performance. That's why I brought him the culture editor. His performance, his press conference after the Supreme Court slapped down his so called emergency tariffs we're already offering. You can go see Catherine Rampel. Multiple videos, multiple content activations. If you're looking for economics analysis, we'll do a little bit of that armchair economics analysis. But Sunny, I mostly wanted to talk to you about two things. One kind of how Trump reacted to it and what it tells us about that. And then I gotta say some pretty alarming things that he was saying that I think we should be pretty concerned about given that it's the President of the United States. So before we get to the clips, did you have any big picture takeaways on the Trump presser?
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Sonny Bunch
Well, I mean, look, what's the big theory of the modern moment? He's 12, right? Like he reacts to everything like he's a 12 year old. And that is 100% what we're seeing here. It's just, it is a total tantrum. You know, I always, my, my theory on the, the sensitive documents case was always that Trump didn't even really care about them. He just was like, these are my things, I want them. Give me my things back. And that's, that has always been my take on his, his tariff obsession. Like he has a tariff button. He hits, he, you know how he has the Diet Coke button? Right next to that is the tariff button. He hits the tariff button and tariffs happen. And so you take away the tariff button and he reacts. Like when I take away the, the switch from my 6 year old, he just starts, he starts like freaking out, like, why can't I play Pokemon anymore? It's ridiculous.
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Tim Miller
I think that's right. And I think most of the things that he says here, these clips that we're going to play are him tantrum, like a 12 year old or jester gooning, depending on how you look at it. But there's this first clip I want to show you that felt pretty serious. And so I want to take it seriously. Let's watch how Donald Trump explains what he thinks. What do you think happened at the Supreme Court?
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Donald Trump (quoted)
I think that foreign interests are represented by people that I believe have undue influence. They have a lot of influence over the Supreme Court, whether it's through fear or respect or friendships, I don't know. But I know some of the people that were involved on the other side and I don't like them. I think they're real slime balls.
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Tim Miller
And wow, that's a pretty serious accusation there. The President of the United States says that the Supreme Court of the United States has been compromised by foreign agents or assets. And I gotta tell you, Sonny, I know that a lot of times you're told not to take Trump seriously, but not literally. But I think it's pretty important to take him literally here. And I think that if it is true that Amy Coney Barrett and Justice Gorsuch, at minimum, have been compromised by foreign assets, it might be incumbent upon the Democratic Senate when they come in to impeach them. Something to think about.
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Sonny Bunch
You think we should just clear the Supreme Court, start over again?
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Tim Miller
Nine new justices, bring in some people that we can be assured do not have any foreign entanglements. We can go through all their backgrounds, we can vet them, be bipartisan. Thomas Massie could be the Republican.
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Sonny Bunch
Real background checks. Yeah, no, it's Insane. It's insane. I mean, what's the phrase? Every accusation is a projection. The idea of Donald Trump, the idea of Donald Trump being like, these people are too influenced by the foreign communities. They respect them. There's. They've got business dealings or something. I don't know. I don't know. And that's, that's very obviously insane. It's just crazy.
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Tim Miller
One reason why I like that he did that is because there's a category of the serious Republicans that always do the whitewashing of Trump, and they're the ones that annoy me the most. And one of their favorite things to. To Tisk. Tisk the left about is that the left is delegitimizing the Supreme Court. You hear this a lot from like the Wall Street Journal crowd or the Brit Humes of the world. And it's like the left has gone out of control by saying we should not respect the Supreme Court. And some of their rhetoric, after they overturned Roe, et cetera, you know, some of the left wing rhetoric about the Supreme Court is a little cuckoo. But that said, they like to get finger wagged by the Winnie the Pooh and the tuxedo Trump supporters. I enjoy, now that I have this forever, that anytime they finger wag the left, they're like, oh, the left wing radicals are delegitimizing the court. I'm like, I'm sorry. The President of the United States said the court was not legitimate because they're compromised by foreign assets. And I only, all I can do is take the president at his word on that.
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Sonny Bunch
Again, it's an insane thing to say. And you're right, it totally cuts across this argument that some people, look, some people have been saying, you know, we can't trust the Supreme Court. They're bought and paid for by billionaires. You know, they're, you know, they're.
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Tim Miller
And, and maybe in this case they are because the billionaires are pretty happy about the tariff ruling. I'm just joking. Just joking.
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Sonny Bunch
This is so. You're, you're, look at you. Delegitimizing. No, the, the, the. What is, what's wild about this is he has not lost to the supreme. In the Supreme Court. He has not had a serious ruling against him his entire second term. There's been some little things around the edges. Some of the, some of the immigration stuff, you know, has been like, had a hold put on it. Not, not even really defeated. Just been like, all right, let's, let's cool our jets here. But, you know, the big one was the, was the immunity case. He won that and, you know, was, was, I think, overheard saying, you know, thanks, thanks, John Roberts. I'm going to remember this. You know, he remembered it for approximately nine months and then, you know, it's, it's now, it's just now it's bad again, because this is the only thing he actually cares about. I don't, I like the immunity thing. I think he figures he could probably just do whatever because. Pardon myself, whatever. What are they going to do? The, the tariff thing matters to him. The tariff thing matters to him. And the real key, the, the real takeaway from this whole thing is that he's just going to push a different tariff button and it's going to take another year to get back to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court will be like, no, you can't do that one either. That one doesn't work. Fine, I'll push my third tariff button. It's, he's going to go down a list. There's a whole, there's. And it's, that's what's frustrating about this. If there was, say, a real, you know, drive by the Congress to do something about this, they could put a stop to this. They could do, they could pass legislation, they could do, they could do the I word, they could do the impeachment, but that's not going to happen.
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Tim Miller
I'm, I'm coming back around. I'm coming back. We'll talk about that later. Okay. I want to go rapid fire through some of the clips, but again, putting your movie hat on, people might have noticed in that first clip something about the lighting. So I want to play this next tantrum that he had. But also kind of focus on the esthetics here a little bit. Let's, let's talk about Donald Trump's desire to destroy the country.
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Donald Trump (quoted)
But I am allowed to cut off any and all trade or business with that same country. In other words, I can destroy the trade. I can destroy the country. I'm even allowed to impose a foreign country destroying embargo. I can embargo, I can do anything I want, but I can't charge $1 because that's not what it says and that's not the way it even reads. I can do anything I want to do to them, but I can't charge any money.
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Tim Miller
When you're a star, they let you do it. So I do think the I can destroy the country is probably going to show up in some ads in the midterms. I think that's a nice little button clip there that he gave to Democratic ad makers. So I'm wondering what you thought about that little exchange, but also why he's in the same room where Carolyn Levitt does her press conferences, isn't he? Like, why. Why is the lighting
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Sonny Bunch
he's got. You know what? Have you seen the movie Casino? You've seen the movie Casino, The Martin Scorsese movie Casino? A lot of shots in that film are lit with a very bright spotlight on the actors with, like, giving them almost a. Not a halo effect, but kind of similar to that. Like, it's a real BR spotlight.
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Tim Miller
Kind of like their head is glowing. Like their hair is glowing kind of.
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Sonny Bunch
Yeah, well, the hair is glowing and it's kind of backlit from behind. It's like the lighting setup I have back here, it's like, it's bizarre. It's. I don't understand what. I don't. I don't know why I have it. I don't know why he has it, but it is, it's. It's. It's very much like just like on his head. I. And my real question is, did he. Did he have somebody change that for him? Is there like is. Does next to the three tariff buttons and the Diet Coke button? Is there a spotlight button that he pushes on his desk to, like, change the can lighting in that room to make sure it comes directly on him?
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Tim Miller
I want to see that he had. But I don't know what. Okay, we're going to keep monitoring it. I'm going to give it a closer look as we get to the next clip. It is very. It's very confusing and it looks terrible. It makes this, like, thin, white orange hair look even like it. Yeah.
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Sonny Bunch
Looks white, it looks like to it.
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Tim Miller
Okay, next clip. I just want to warn everybody, if you're into Dom Sub stuff, don't want you to get horny. But let's go to the next clip of Donald Trump respond to the court.
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Donald Trump (quoted)
I wanted to do anything. I didn't want to do anything that would affect the decision of the court because I understand the court. I understand how they are very easily swayed. I want to be a good boy.
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Tim Miller
I want to be a good boy.
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Sonny Bunch
I want to be a good boy, son.
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Tim Miller
Do you ever break that out in the bedroom, Sonny?
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Sonny Bunch
There's a movie coming out here in a couple of weeks. I'm sure you're aware of it. Pillion the Alexander Scott.
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Tim Miller
Oh, yeah.
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Sonny Bunch
I've heard some chatter about this Henry Melling movie. It's going to be big in your community. I believe, Tim, but I just assume that that is what Donald Trump is getting ready for here. The A24.
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Tim Miller
Donald Trump wants to be a good boy for John Roberts, but he can't be a good boy. He needs to be spanked. He failed at his effort to be a good boy. He was a bad boy. I'm going to play one clip of him talking about the aforementioned Justice Gorsuch and Barrett, which again, they, from my vantage point, ruled correctly today. And I thought Gorsuch made some very strong arguments. I was also alarmed to hear that he's compromised by foreign assets. So, you know, it cuts both ways a little bit. But here's Donald Trump talking about Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett, who rolled against him on the tariffs. Justices Gorsuch and Barrett, are you surprised
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Sonny Bunch
in particular by their decision today? Do you regret nominations?
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Donald Trump (quoted)
I don't want to say whether or not I regret. I think their decision was terrible. Yeah, I think it's an embarrassment to their families. You want to know the truth, the two of them? Yeah,
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Tim Miller
I. You do.
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Sonny Bunch
I actually, I actually love this because the first thing, the first question is, do you regret nominating them? And of course, that would be admitting a mistake he can't make. Donald Trump cannot be failed by these people because that would, that would make, that would throw into question a lot of, throw, throw into doubt a lot of, you know, what he's done. But their parents should be embarrassed by like, it's not, it's not, not the law schools, not the, not the, not their clerks or, you know, any of their backers. Not Leo. Right. It's, it's their parents. Their parents should feel bad about giving birth to them and putting them on the Supreme Court. It's a real, it's a real shame. It's a real black market.
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Tim Miller
Should feel really ashamed of her. Okay. Bad mother. Bad mother. I want to pull back up the screen here. Let's look at just who is next to Trump here. We got Nutlik. There he is, the commerce secretary, Howard Nutlik. I think that's an interesting choice because I don't. Have you seen the story about the Nutlik children? The Nutlik boys, they all right?
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Sonny Bunch
No, Tim, I've not seen the story about the nut lick boys.
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Tim Miller
Well, Howard's kids work at Cantor or they've taken over from a Cantor Fitzgerald and they made a bet a couple months ago where they went to companies that were being tariffed and said, hey, we're going to pay you. I think it was 30% of the money. You had to pay in tariffs. Okay. And if the Supreme Court rules that you get paid back, we get everything. Okay. So it's like, yeah, they were arbitraging. And so I noticed at the time, and I was like, I think that's a pretty interesting bet. And they would have some inside info, I would assume from their father on which companies to go to to pitch this sort of deal to. And I think that that is an interesting subplot here because as you mentioned, Trump is going to go on and try to find some other illegal rationale for tariff, et cetera. But if this goes to the courts and they, and it seems like they're going to have to, like, pay, you know, the 175 billion back to these companies, you know, there is going to be some incentive inside the administration from the Cabinet member to ensure that those companies get paid back because it's going to be a big windfall for Cantor Fitzgerald. It's an interesting subplot. And so I was intrigued to see him there.
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Sonny Bunch
Yeah, that, that is interesting. I had not heard of this. I, first of all, I think there's about, I would be very curious to see if these companies ever get any of that money back because I really do think that the President will just be like, no, I'm not, I'm not. Make me like, like, who's, who's going to make him do it, right? Who, where would the money come from? I will say, I will say. I will say, you know, they, they did just say they were going to be spending $10 billion on the board of Peace. So that's a big, that's a big piece of it right there. You just cancel the Board of Peace. That's a healthy choice.
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Tim Miller
I'm planning on the tariff rebate checks, so they could just send those. Instead of back to the forgotten man, they could send it back to the corporate titans. Okay, a couple other weird clips here just while we're together. And, you know, I'm obviously, if we're gonna have some heated rivalry, you know, dudes kissing content at a Trump press conference, I just feel obligated by contract to our viewers to weigh in on it. Trump had a little bit of an intimate moment with a factory worker, apparently. Let's listen to that.
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Donald Trump (quoted)
And I said to the owner of, I made a speech at a factory. They made steel products. And I said, how are you? Nice to meet you. How's business? President, I'd love to kiss you. This is a very powerful man. I don't want to be kissed by that man, but a very powerful, strong man. He's been in the steel business for many years. His father started it and he said, sir, I want to kiss you.
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Tim Miller
I want to kiss you. It's the second story in two days of an anonymous individual that has said that he wanted to kiss him and that Donald Trump had to say thank you. No homo too.
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Sonny Bunch
No, no, thank you. I didn't want to. You mentioned heated rivalry. I've not seen heated, to be honest.
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Tim Miller
It's not my video now that it's like we're 16 minutes in, you know. Okay. It's a weekend video. It's like, we've got real ones here. I can't.
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Sonny Bunch
Okay.
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Tim Miller
It cannot be more overrated. He did right for me. Could not be more overrated. I just. I don't. And I have to tell you the number. And we love you and I love you. I'm going to trump it now. I love the women. I love the married women who come up to me and offer to kiss me on the street. But the number of middle aged married women who, like, wanted to be on a heated rivalry. Watch party with me. I was just like, this is like, my culture is not your costume. Okay. And so.
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Sonny Bunch
Oh, you're offended.
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Tim Miller
I'm not offended. I'm just saying that, like, you know, for me. It's not a show for you. I don't think, Sonny. It's for. It's a show for the ladies who want to get their romance in without having the baggage of, you know, the heterosexual male, female dynamic. I think that's who the show's for. And that's fine, by the way. Enjoy. I don't want to yuck your yum. I'm just saying, like, people assume that I would like it because of my gay, but it's not really for me and it's certainly not for you.
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Sonny Bunch
I wouldn't say it's not for me. I mentioned this, though. I brought this up because you mentioned heated rivalry. And what my mind immediately went to is the Simpsons episode where John Waters guest stars and Homer goes to the steel plant and it's like a big gay party. That's the steel plant.
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Tim Miller
You are right. I had forgotten. Episode.
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Sonny Bunch
Can we get a clip of that in there in the background here? Just the game.
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Tim Miller
Is that the same episode where he says there are two types of people that wear a Hawaiian shirt. Homosexuals and big fat party animals, or is that a different episode? Same episode.
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Sonny Bunch
I think that's the same one for sure. Yeah.
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Tim Miller
Great episode.
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Sonny Bunch
Good episode.
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Tim Miller
Gays have Taken all of our best names. Marge. Lance, Bruce, Bruce, Julian. Lance, Bruce and Julian. Okay, we can just sit around doing Simpsons quotes all night. All right. As I mentioned, it's the second kind of homoerotic moment in the last two days. And so while we're here, we might as well check out Trump having handsome, brawny men on his mind yesterday.
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Donald Trump (quoted)
President Pena of Paraguay is here. President. President. Thank you very much. Young, handsome guy. It's always nice to be young and handsome. Doesn't mean we have to like you. I don't like young, handsome men. Women like men. Know how to have any interest.
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Tim Miller
Thumbs up.
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Donald Trump (quoted)
Good.
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Sonny Bunch
I gotta be honest. The Paraguayan guy just being like, thumbs up. I don't know how else to respond to that. I just be like, I would probably be doing the same thing. Yep, you got it, Mr. President. Sure. Yeah.
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Tim Miller
The thumbs up. I don't know. I don't know what you do if you're him. If I'm me, I'm probably not joining the board of peace. Did Dr. Evil have a name for his group of henchmen?
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Sonny Bunch
Just.
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Tim Miller
Or it was just his. It was just his inner circle of henchmen.
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Sonny Bunch
I should know that.
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Tim Miller
I don't know my inner circle of henchmen, my buffet all it was called. So anyway, I don't think I would have joined the inner circle of henchmen if I was the president of Paraguay. But once you do, I do think that, like, you know, getting lightly flirted with by the chairman of the board of peace is just going to be part of the. Part of the initiation. Fee. Sonny bunch. Appreciate you. Do you have any other. It's the weekend. Do you have a weekend watch for me? Something. Is there something that you're really hot on?
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Sonny Bunch
No. I will just say if people really want to be depressed, they should go watch this movie, the Alabama Solution. I did a video on it yesterday. I went up the. I talked to the directors. It's a. It's about the prison system in Alabama and how, like, terrible and corrupt it is and prisoners dying and, you know,
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Tim Miller
I've been wanting to watch it. It's wanting to watch it and delaying for the hard watch reason for a while. But I think I might be getting to an emotionally stable enough place to do it while we're doing hard, tough watches or listens. This one was a kind of a nice. More of a. It was hard for me, but it was. You know, sometimes you just need a good cry as a man. And on the airplane back from Minneapolis, I was listening to our boy Pablo Torre, who has this episode of his show Pablo to where he finds out with a link in it, which you can watch here on YouTube too, where he interviews this guy who did an investigation and figured out that Rony cycling. You remember Rony Cycley from our youth Miami Heat center. He was on NBA Jam. Okay. Anyway, he was a center for the Miami heat in the 90s and he's from Greece and he is now like a house music dj. Anyway, it's a. Somehow though, this story takes you down a winding path to this moment that was just so touching. After Magic Johnson gets hiv, where this Greek Lebanese Miami Heat center is the one who kind of demonstrates to people that it's okay to play one on one. It's okay to, you know, get sweat on by magic and kind of leads to Magic being able to come back and be able to play. It's amazing. So that's my tip for everybody. Alabama Solution. We're just man tears for everybody Alabama Solution.
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Sonny Bunch
It's. Yeah, it's. It's rough. This is a rough, you know, that, that, that and heated rivalry. I don't know if you're.
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Tim Miller
Go watch one of the Timmy Chalamet gay movies. Okay, that's it. That's Sonny Bunch. I'm Tim Miller. Hopefully Donald Trump doesn't make any more gay puns. I don't have to come back to talk to you about that anytime soon. We'll see you all later.
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