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Sarah Longwell
Is JVL here with my best friend Sarah Longwell, publisher of the Bulwark. And you know, as happens we're recording with bad news. On Sunday night, Rob Reiner and his wife were found murdered in their Los Angeles home. As we are taping right now, we have word that their son has been arrested but the police haven't made any announcements yet. The thinking seems to be that their son may have done this, allegedly. But again, it's all very unclear. We're here because the President of the United States, Donald Trump decided to weigh in this morning. And Sarah, you have not seen this this tweet on Truth Social. So I'm going to read it to you, okay? A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump Derangement Syndrome, sometimes referred to as tds. He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession of Donald J. Trump. With his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness. And with the Golden Age of America upon us, perhaps like never before, may Rob and Michelle rest in peace.
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JVL
You know, even by, even by Trump standards, that is pretty, that is pretty disgusting in what, what human takes something like this and makes it a. About himself, like Trump making it about himself, but also like, they're in the middle of a deep family tragedy. And like you said, we don't know. I saw the reporting about the sun earlier and the People magazine who, I mean, so grain of salt. But they, they did no caveats in their reporting. Like, they announced it, saying that, that it was. And so he's also then like, it is a wild misinformation. Like it's like a lie. He was, he's acting like blaming their.
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Sarah Longwell
Murder on them for having made people angry by being so mean to Donald Trump. I want to just read a couple other tweets that I saw on Twitter last night, shortly after the news of Robert Reiner's murder was released from just various manga types from Joey Salads. As you can see, the right doesn't celebrate the death of those on the left. Brett Weinstein, Notice that the American right is not celebrating Rob Reiner's murder. I see post after post honoring this remarkable contribution to our culture, despite his strident embrace progressive lunacy in his later years. From Jack Posobieak, Pizzagate. Jack, you won't see people on the right celebrating the horrific murder of Rob Reiner and his wife compared to the left's reaction to Charlie Kirk's murder. Hmm. You know, one person did. Now, that person happens to be the President of these United States. So I feel like that counts a little more than, like, some school teacher in Kentucky talking to a private Facebook group and saying something, something terrible about Charlie Kirk. This is the President of the United States. And we did have an organized campaign in which the president, Vice President of the United States, encouraged people to snitch on anybody in their private lives who they may have heard not properly genuflecting about Charlie Kirk's murder. And here's the president.
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JVL
I, I just one difference, thinking out loud about the nature of Rob Reiner's work was right. He produced movies that everybody has seen that many of us feel a real sort of fondness for. I mean, he did, he did When Harry Met Sally. He did stand by me. He did Misery. His sort of cultural contributions were through films that all of us sort of know and love. And then. Yeah. He was somebody who was then outspoken against Trump in more recent years. And in fact, like, Bill did stuff with him. All of us actually, like he did. He was somebody who wanted to work with people who were speaking out against Trump, which is, which was incredibly generous of him at a time when so many other people were unwilling to be out there on it. But he wasn't, as a first order, a political actor. Right. He sort of wasn't in the public sphere broadly as somebody who like, did politics. And so, and frankly, it looks like this, this horrific murder is not relevant to politics.
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Sarah Longwell
I mean, it seems like it has nothing to do with it.
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JVL
Right.
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Sarah Longwell
So the other thing. Right.
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JVL
The President making this.
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Sarah Longwell
Yes.
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JVL
About politics or like even these guys being like, well, he blaming his own.
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Sarah Longwell
Murder and then saying the reason he did it was because he was disrespectful to Donald Trump. That's what he's doing in a thing. Which again, seems to have nothing to do with.
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JVL
And again, I like, this isn't. I'm not, I'm just as, I think, like, the, the, the difference between how people react has something to do with the cultural space that these people occupied, which was very different from one another. And so, like, it's sort of weird to come out and be like, the right isn't saying anything. And I'm like, this guy was just a. He was a director and actor. So it's a. As opposed to the way that people feel about people who are in the political sphere. Like they're going to talk about them differently.
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Sarah Longwell
It's ghastly. Right. And ghoulish and also insane and also, again, I mean, just wrong. Right. I mean, if. And wrong in the sense. Like, it's just disconnected completely from the reality of it. It's. It's in a make believe version. It is not the case. We think that this has anything to do with Trump or that it was motivated in part by anything. It's just fantasy land from him.
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Sarah Longwell
I will say that we should give credit where it's due. My girl Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeted about Trump's truth social thing. Said it was horrible. Thomas Massie said it was, says it's horrible. Thomas Massey says, regardless of how you felt about Rob Reiner, this is inappropriate and disrespectful discourse about a man who was just brutally murdered. I guess my elected GOP colleagues, the VP and White House staff will just ignore it because they're afraid I challenge anyone to defend it.
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JVL
That's from Massey.
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Sarah Longwell
That's from Massey.
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JVL
I'd like to, oh, that's good.
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Sarah Longwell
That's great. I, I, I second his challenge. What does J.D. vance think about this? Would you like to tell us? Jenna Ellis said this is not appropriate. That's, you know, so they're again, there, there are some people in there. I don't see a bunch of electives except for Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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JVL
This is, you know, so you, you were like, hey, Sarah, you want to jump on and talk about this Trump tweet? And I was like, I haven't seen it. I don't know. I'm doing something else. But I, you're going to read it to me. And I, that as I sit with it, like, this is, this is a kind of thing that actually could be damaging to him because it exposes how like, soft his brain is getting. Like you and I Talked about this on Friday on the secret podcast about, like that, like, one of the things about Trump is that sometimes his instincts can be really good. Like his, his, oftentimes his, his sort of cultural instincts are really strong when he jumps in on things that people are talking about. That, again, this is not in the political sphere. This shows that his instincts are starting to like, really rot on that. Like, this is, there's like. And it's good that some people are condemning him, but everybody should condemn this. This is so straightforwardly disgusting. But, but also, like, it is insane. Like insane in the real way, right?
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Sarah Longwell
Like I said, like, it is not.
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JVL
This person's not in control of their judgment.
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Sarah Longwell
Shot by an unbalanced MAGA type at a no kings protest where he was talking about. Then, like, it would still be evil and stupid. But you could say, okay, well, I mean, you can see how you could connect the dots from the, like, you know, if you really wanted to be tangentious about it. But this is not that I want to go the other way, though. I think that this may be a case where Trump, Trump does understand where the ID of his base thinks, because I think there are probably a lot of people in America who would like to say this sort of thing about Rob Reiner because he was a bad person and had bad thoughts about Donald Trump, but they know they're not supposed to. And they know you're supposed to do thoughts and prayers and, and here he just comes out and says the thing kind of like John McCain being, you know, I like, I like guys who weren't captured, right. They want somebody to say they know they're not supposed to, but they want him to say it. I think this is for all the people who are not really political who would be horrified by this. They'll never see or hear it. This will be swallowed up by some new outrage five days from now, right? Like the, like the, the jumbo jet, you know, just like what he's accepting a $300 million jet. And then like five days later it's like, yeah, you know, well, now he took a billion dollars in crypto.
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JVL
I do wonder, you know, Rob Reiner, I, I don't know, I don't know what his sort of cultural, what the feeling is toward him or how like, I bet, I'm sure, like 25 year olds don't really know who Rob Reiner is, but all. A lot of people do. And I do think this is very, like, I know what you're saying, and I think that it's probably correct. For that really hardcore percentage of people who love when Trump is so awful.
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Sarah Longwell
He's transgressive, right?
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JVL
Yeah. I don't know, though, that they're like, son murdering that again, allegedly. This is the story that's.
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Sarah Longwell
They loved it when they talked about Pelosi getting attacked by the dude with the hammer.
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JVL
Yeah. But again, I just, Again, this is one of those, like, all of this stuff is just, you know, disgusting and. But it, like, also, but like, that, that was like a political thing, right? That is about people getting. This is like a. It's all a tragedy. I maybe, maybe it's not even worth separate. Trying to separate this in one's head, but it's like, why is the President weighing in on this except Trump to dance on their graves? Like, that's what it feels like. And you're right that the, that there was joy in the Paul Pelosi attack. And like, the way that people often talked about Charlie Kirk was sort of like, I'm not sorry. And, And I think all of that is contemptible because, like, just don't say anything but the President dancing on the graves of people because they didn't like him. Right now in a story that is about just like a, like a gruesome.
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Sarah Longwell
Murder, it's like 12 hours old. You know, like, it's like it just happened. It's not even.
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JVL
It is lunacy.
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Sarah Longwell
It's.
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JVL
And I don't know if I agree with you that it will be gone in five days. And this is one of those things, like, this is one of those things where only if we let it. Only if we let it. This, this should be. This, These. This is a. It's a moment, like, to highlight for people how out of control Donald Trump is, how gross and indecent. I mean, and I. Look, I know, I know, I know we know all this. I just can't imagine being the President of the United States and ripping off a tweet that's like, hey, too bad these guys got murdered because he was such a. Trump, had Trump derangement syndrome and hated me. Oh, well.
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Sarah Longwell
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JVL
Not to. Sorry, I know you're trying to close, but, like, it comes on the heels of just an absolutely gut wrenching weekend of the Bondi beach shooting. Bondi, Bondi, Bondi. And. And then the, the shooting at Brown. Like, it just There are weekends and times where, like, it feels like the wheels are coming off. This is one of those. And it is one of those.
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Sarah Longwell
Yeah. Good luck, America.
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JVL
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JVL
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