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Sam Stein
Guys, it's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the Bulwark and I am joined by my buddy Tim Miller as we are going to dissect. Truly a remarkable bleat. Did I pronounce that correctly?
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Tim Miller
Yeah. Bleet. Yeah.
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Sam Stein
Bleaked from Donald Trump this morning on immigration. It is. I honestly, I've gotten a number of texts about it from Republicans like just, you know, scratching their heads wondering what the hell is going on. I will read it. No, I'm serious. I will read it.
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Tim Miller
What are they confused about?
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Sam Stein
He's all over the map. These are, these are non trumpy Republicans. These are Republicans who are like, I cannot believe this, man. That's the reaction. All right, here's the bleed.
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Tim Miller
You're 10.
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Sam Stein
That's true at this point. All right, we'll get to that in a sec. Here's the bleep. Our great farmers, capital F, for some reason, and people in the hotel, capital H and leisure, capital L business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, longtime workers away from them. With those jobs being almost impossible to replace in many cases, the criminals. Capital. I don't know why he capitalizes this stuff. Allowed into our country by the very stupid Biden open borders policy. Wait, let's pause it. Okay, fine.
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Tim Miller
I'm sorry. Let's say they applied for the jobs, finished the sentence. The criminals applied for the jobs. So I just try to understand.
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Sam Stein
I had trouble unpacking that part.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, because they. Because they allied this point. When it's convenient. Is anyone that came into the country illegally a criminal? Or when he's talking about criminals, is he just talking about people that came here illegally but then committed crimes?
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Sam Stein
Yeah. So they strategically conflate this when it's opportunistic. Everyone who came here illegally is a criminal. Right, but in this case, the criminals are a different category that only Biden let in.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. Not the Caddies or whatever. Not the people cleaning the toilets at Mar a Lago. Not the. Not the people doing the well done steaks at Bedminster. Not picking the strawberries or the cleaning ladies, you know, at Doral. They're not criminals. Right. They're just longtime valued members of the.
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Sam Stein
Trump team who are vetted very carefully by the Trump Organization, obviously.
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Tim Miller
All right, let's continue.
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Sam Stein
Is there more to say? I will finish it. Hold on one second. By the very stupid Biden open borders policy, are applying for those jobs. This is not good. Which part is not good? I'm not totally sure. We must protect our farmers, but get the criminals out of the usa. Changes are coming. All right, so here we are. He clearly has heard from some, you know, farming conglomerates or, you know, hotel buddies of his who are like, yo, we need these workers. You're disrupting our business. Please stop it. This is a problem of his own creation. Never once does he obviously recognize that, but it is a problem of his own creation. And really, this goes diametrically against what Stephen Miller has been pushing, which is that anyone who crossed over to the border illegally should be gone. No ifs, ands, or buts. And so, you know, never thought Trump's guy.
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Tim Miller
So needless to Say you could stop this by just stopping.
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Sam Stein
Yes, that could be the change.
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Tim Miller
That could be the change. You could just stop deporting people that are longtime residents, that are working, that are valued members. Like, this whole notion, it's like we're deporting. Basically, the frame that he's put out there, if you just take the lead at face value, is that he's gotten some feedback from his rich farmer and hotelier buddies. Do you say hotelier or hotelier?
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Sam Stein
I say hotelier.
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Tim Miller
Okay. He's got some rich hoteliers have gone to Donald Trump and said, we have a problem. Nobody is there to clean the fancy rooms of the people at your hotels anymore because you're deporting them. All right? And so Donald got that feedback when he put this out. And it's like, here's the problem, guys. Because of the very tough immigration enforcement we have, these people that have been working in the hotel industry are being deported. And they're being replaced not by Americans, but by criminals, by criminal aliens that Joe Biden let it. I'm just saying, if you take what he's.
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Sam Stein
I'm trying to figure out, how is.
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Tim Miller
This that they're being replaced then by these new criminal aliens with the. With the cantaloupe thighs that Joe Biden brought in.
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Sam Stein
Is his brain broken? Does that make any sense?
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Tim Miller
And that. I know it doesn't. And that's bad because we don't want these criminals in the hotel suites at Durrell. We want that. We want the longtime good immigrants that we've been. That my people have been deporting. So if you. Again, if you just take them at face value, easy fix. You don't need to send a bleed. You can just send out an announcement, we're gonna stop deporting these people. That then creates a problem with Stephen Miller and with the base and with the quotas that they have to do. And I mean, I think probably what ends up happening is that they just tried to not have raids at hotels and farms or in red states. That becomes hard, especially when you consider. I wanna pull up a separate post here from the Homeland Security Department, dhs, which is under the President. That's right.
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Sam Stein
Dhs.
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Tim Miller
Yeah, that's under the President of the United States. He has some. He has purview over that. Okay, sure. Well, they posted this around the same time. Help your country locate and arrest illegal aliens. To report criminal activity, call 866-DHS-2 ICE. And then there's a picture of, like this kind of racist cartoon about reporting all foreign invaders. I Guess that racist image was originally posted from a Christian nationalist. They stole it. They don't have a. I guess they don't have an art department anymore at DHS because of Doge. And so they stole a racist meme and they posted that. So there are a few problems here. I mean, not that I would want to cause anybody any harm or that I'm suggesting this, but I mean, maybe some people should call the hotline about the people working at Donald Trump's hotels and the people working at the farms where all these great farmers are, these MAGA farmers who are upset that they're losing their folks. You see how this, you hit an issue here. You hit a crossroads where you can do one thing or another. You can have a hotline where Americans are calling on their neighbors and calling on ice and asking for them to be shackled and deported. You can live in a country where you do that or you can live in a country where, no, you just look for criminals and deport, as we've always done, you just deport people who have deportation orders. And Trump is trying to do it both ways, at least in the context of his buddies, I guess.
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Sam Stein
I don't know if he's trying to have it both ways so much as ping ponging back and forth. Right? Like if you extend, if you take his bleep from this morning and just logically extend it, what he's saying is, hey, let's have a system in place in which we go after real hardened criminals and those people who are here illegally but are working in certain sectors where it's beneficial for us economically to have them work. Let's give them some workplace protections. Let's have them be here with some sort of comfort that they won't be deported so that they and their employees or employers can go about their business and do it effectively. That's called comprehensive immigration reform or a version of it. Right? Like that's, that's something that, you know.
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Tim Miller
Stephen Miller, John Byner could have been for that.
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Sam Stein
Yeah, Stephen Miller will would have like a fucking heart attack if anyone else proposed that. But as obviously his boss is proposing now, we're not going to hear shit from Stephen Miller. And look, I think obviously in this case, I think obvious, but most likely in this case, really wealthy people got to Donald Trump and said, yo, we need this to stop. But you know, I've been seeing all these local news stories and I'm sure you have too, of people whose businesses, Trumpers, whose businesses have been disrupted. And we'll play the video Because I'm going to find it. But there's this one of this guy down in Key West. Have you seen this?
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Tim Miller
No, I've got a Key west talk about, but go ahead.
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Sam Stein
There's this guy in Key west and this has been making the rents. He's got a construction business in Key West. Six of his employees were rounded up.
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Tim Miller
Well, that's a shame. Maybe he should be arrested.
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Sam Stein
He's a Trumper. He's a Trumper. He voted for Trump. They asked him about it.
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Tim Miller
Can I get his name? I might want to call the ICE number on him because it seems like he's been harboring illegal immigrants.
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Sam Stein
Apparently this is. Now, I want to be clear about this. I'm not sure there's some contention about whether they were here seeking asylum, going through the legal channels or not. Either way, they were rounded up and deported or are in the process of getting deported. And he's on there. He's like, well, I voted for Trump, but I just didn't expect this.
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Grand Plateau RV Resort
You voted for Donald Trump?
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Tim Miller
Yes, I did.
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Richard Karn
Six Nicaraguan men on May 27th were.
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Grand Plateau RV Resort
Detained along US 1 in Sugarloaf Key.
- [10:48]
Richard Karn
On their way to a job. Vincent Scardina is the owner of the roofing company where they worked. Given his support for the President, we asked what he would tell the Commander in chief.
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Sam Stein
What happened here, this situation is just.
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Grand Plateau RV Resort
Totally, just blatantly, not at all what.
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Sam Stein
They said it was. You know, that's happening all over the country, right? Like, that's happening all over the country and you're seeing this. And at first I was skeptical about these, these polling numbers on immigration. I really was. I was like, no, I'm still skeptical. Okay, fine, I still am skeptical a bit. But we've now had a couple polls in a row where the numbers are not great, they're dipping, and again, it's all in the presentation of the question. And, you know, some people clearly are supportive of these deportation raids. But I think something's happening here where it's percolating and Trump's got a little bit of hesitation politically now that he's. That this bleed underscores. So, you know, I, Yeah, so there's.
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Tim Miller
A story just on this point circling around Louisiana. I've been getting a lot of texts because Trump's biggest supporter here is a guy that they, they call Boise. He owns Bollinger. I'm blanking his real first name. Boise Bollinger. I forget what his, like, what his name, you know, what his God given name is, but his name is Boise Bollinger. And big Trump's biggest supporter, had a fundraiser for him, the whole thing, and his company, like, got. There was a rate and like, three people. Yeah, and three people got. And so I was kind of like, what is happening? You know, so some texts going around and it's like, was this, you know, kind of like a. Oh, you know, we're going to take a dive on a couple people to, like, get these guys off our back, you know, like, is there a backroom deal happening or is the U.S. attorney down here just out of control, just going after immigrants and doesn't give a fuck if they're MAGA people or not, or, I don't know, like, you know, what exactly is happening? I haven't got a good answer on that. And we haven't, like, quite figured it out, but it, you know. So to your point, I guess it's, It's.
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Sam Stein
Did Boise say anything?
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Tim Miller
I haven't seen him on the record yet now. Okay, so it's just. It just drew interest because of, you know, the company that had happened. Right. And I mean, like, maybe. Maybe he knew, you know what I mean? Who knows, right? Like, it could be a situation. There's a heads up, but I don't know. You start to see this in a number of other places. And I think that obviously, I just want to be consistent. What I've been talking about another podcast. They are obviously targeting blue areas, right? Like, they're obviously targeting la. They went after Martha's Vineyard, you know, Chicago. Like, they're essentially targeting blue areas, but, like, our economy is very integrated, right? And it's like, it's impossible to just target blue areas and blue companies. There are, There are MAGA people that have businesses in blue areas. And also, if you, if you empower all these different U.S. attorneys and you tell them you got to go out and get as many fucking deportations as possible to appease Stephen Miller. Well, the people, the guys that got appointed in the red areas, they have their own political interests, right? They don't want to be seen as the people that aren't doing any enforcement. You know, like, they might want to run for something in their future life if you're a, you know, prosecutor, right, in one of these red states. So. So, like, even if you're, Even if the, the intent is to focus on blue states and blue areas, like, in practice, that doesn't really work. Like, once you kind of. Once the cat's out of the bag on all this, you know, you see the, you know, kind of splash back 100%.
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Sam Stein
And I don't think this is what compelled Trump to issue his bleach, but I do think there's a different conversation happening online than in the real world. Shock. I know, but if you look online at any of the MAG accounts, when they post about, you know, soccer mom in Missouri who was here illegally for 20 years is deported and people are freaking out in the community, most of the MAGA responses are, oh, let me get my little violin.
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Tim Miller
This is what I voted for.
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Sam Stein
This is what I voted for. And so, you know, that might compel local officials to be like, yeah, I guess I gotta ramp up the deportations. But I do think there's a different type of conversation happening offline. And enough of these instances are taking place where either top business leaders, hoteliers or whatever we're going to call them, agriculture tycoons, things like that, and then frankly, the, like, local construction guy in Key west are just like, you know what? This is too much. And at some point that percolates enough that Trump gets wind of it and you get bleeds like this.
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Tim Miller
Yeah. Okay. Well, I just want to reiterate for our viewers and listeners. I mean, up to you, obviously. I certainly don't want to do anything that helps ICE or dhs. I think they should. I don't appreciate what they're doing. But if you do happen to have a tip of a MAGA business owner that you think might be a foul of the law, I do want to let you know that the DHS has given a number, 866 DHS2 ICE that they want you to call. And so if you know anybody that fits that bill, might be something to think about.
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Sam Stein
Public service there, Tim.
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Tim Miller
Thank you. Yeah, it's important to do a PSA from time to time on the Blorg podcast. Don't endorse the actions of DHS or ice, but it's important to kind of know that that option is out there for people that want to avail themselves of it. Sam, anything else?
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Sam Stein
Nothing to add on that. On that note, as Tim snitches or encourages snitching. Did I encourage you? No, no, he just encouraged him that he informed you that there was a hotline there. All right, folks, thanks for tuning in. As our ISIS sub agent, Tim Miller advises you of their hotline, and as we bring you the latest on Trump's bleats, subscribe to the feed and we will cover all of this, the wide spectrum. Take care of.