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Sam Stein
Hey everyone, it's me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the Bulwark. I just got off a hit on Ms. Now, where we discussed a couple things. One of them is this crazy lawsuit that was brought against the ufc, although it's not named in the lawsuit, is brought against really to stop this kind of crazy UFC fight that's happening on June 14th to mark the 250th anniversary of the country. The suit was filed by a group called Public Integrity Project, was filed on behalf of a world Vietnam veteran and I believe a civic activist. Basically, they're saying that this whole event that is being put on by Donald Trump and the UFC President Dana White is in violation of some basic laws, which is that you can't do these things without an act of Congress or an environmental review. On top of that, the lawsuit says that this entire thing is not actually for the celebration of the 250th anniversary of America, but it is kind of staged for this private benefit of Donald Trump, who actually owns $50,000 in stock in UFC's parent company. So they brought this suit. Obviously it happened with just a couple days to go. But what we discussed on Ms. Now is whether or not there is enough time for the courts to do a few things. One is in first and most importantly, establish standing, which means that the people who brought the suit to stop this from happening actually have the ability to do it, that they're being adversely affected by it. And Then secondly is obviously to figure out if this is in violation of the laws which hold that it should be an act of Congress and should go through some environmental review. The White House is very dismissive of this. They said this is obviously justified because it's part of the act that Congress authorized for the celebration of the 250th anniversary. And frankly, honestly, I think they're gonna get their way here. We are just days away from the actual event. If you've seen the pictures from the White House south on, you can see this entire claw, like, structure is already up. The lights are on. This thing's gonna happen, although it may rain, so we'll see what happens. It's hard to see that this thing will get called off, although you never know. But the discussion we had was about something larger, which is, is this a really corrupt act? Actually, is this a celebratory act because it's Donald Trump's 80th birthday and it's somewhat in line with the 250th anniversary? Or is this Trump actually rewarding a big ally of his? Dana White, spoke at some of the conventions, has been with Trump. Dana White says he's not political, but everyone knows that he is. And then, as we mentioned, Trump owns a stake, or owns stock, I should say, in UFC's parent company. And then on top of that, the broadcaster for this event is Paramount, which, as you all know, is. Is run by another Trump ally, David Ellison. So we'll. We'll be monitoring that and seeing if anything comes of the lawsuit. But I think what's kind of important here, it's not necessarily just the suit itself. It's what it's trying to expose, which is this is another one of those things that a president can do and get away with, even though it seems inherently corrupt. I actually was reminded, I mentioned this, and I miss it.
Guest Commentator
Now.
Sam Stein
This kind of is like a version of Clinton's Lincoln Bedroom scandal, but on steroids. If you remember back in the 90s, Clinton was giving donors access to the Lincoln Bedroom, where they could stay overnight at the White House. This is giving donors and allies access to the White House South Lawn for a televised event that ultimately is going to really give a lot of profits to the ufc, although they say they're eating all the costs about that. So that was one. And then the second thing that we talked about was Cash Patel. There's this big article in the New York Times about Patel's pursuit of what is, like, the big grand conspiracy to, like, encapsulate all conspiracies, which basically holds that there's a deep state cabal that is trying to undermine President Trump in his first term and prevent him from returning from office for his second term. And Cash Patel's been quietly obsessed with this stuff enough so that he's basically forced a lot of good standing prosecutors from the Justice Department to basically leave because they don't think there's any merit to this. He's put in some questionable US Attorneys to pursue this, and yet they keep coming up empty, probably because there's not much there to actually say there's a grand conspiracy among all conspiracies. This is Cash Patel's modus operandi. And we were debating whether he's doing this because he's a true believer in this stuff or because he knows that Donald Trump is demanding this stuff and that his time at the FBI is basically determined by whether or not he is doing Trump's bidding. Either way, I think you'll enjoy the episode. It's two part segment on Ms. Now. If you like it, hey, give us a like. Better yet, subscribe to the board where you get content like this. Thanks for tuning in. Appreciate it and talk to you soon. This ad is brought to you by Quints. Summer's pretty much always change how I get dressed. I want pieces obviously that feel a little bit lighter, that are more breathable, things that I can put together easily. Ideally things that make me look a little bit buffer than I am. That's why I keep coming back to Quints. They focus on high quality essentials that feel and look amazing. And folks, I think I feel amazing. I definitely look amazing. Quince is well made basics, but without the luxury markup. It's that rare balance where everything feels elevated but still effortless. And if you know anything about me, my aesthetic is elevated but effortless. My favorite part about Quints is that everything is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. They work directly with ethical factories and they cut out the middleman. So you're just paying for quality, not brand markup. I I just bought Quint's relaxed short sleeve shirts that were made with European linen. They're perfect for the DC heat. You can't see them. It's underneath here right now. Elevate your summer wardrobe. Go to quint.com bulwark takes for free shipping on your order and a 365 day return policy. It's now available in Canada too. That's Q u I n c.com Bulwark takes for free shipping and 365 day returns quints.com Bulletproof Sam, how is this
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White House beating accusations of corruption when every week it is filled with headlines about how another CEO or a Trump relative is getting another federally backed deal?
Guest Commentator
Well, first of all, I was going to say that judge is putting some ideas in the minds of the Trump administration. Better watch out for the statute of liberty. They hadn't thought of that one secondly is in terms of corruption, look, let's just talk about the UFC event. So I think most normal people look at this and say, okay, well let them do it. They're so far down the road, it's the 11th hour, they have this incredibly tawdry spectacle here and they've already constructed it. Who cares? But the issue is obviously one, the laws which you're talking about with Joyce and Scott. But two, is this corruption, which is Donald Trump is an investor in ufc. His donors and his backers are or stand to benefit a lot from the spectacle and he's giving a government property, in this case the White House law, and overture them free of charge. It got me thinking a little bit about what happened in the 90s with the Lincoln Bedroom scandals in the Clintons, although this is on a different scale, but people don't remember this, but big time donors to the Democratic Party were given overnight stays in the Lincoln Bedroom, ostensibly for their support financially for the Democratic Party. And this was a huge, huge scandal. This dogged the Clintons for a long time precisely because it looked like a quid pro quo with the use of government property, not Bill Clinton's property, to reward his backers. With Trump, this happens on the regular. It's not just the UFC fight, obviously. He's had a prodigious number of stock trades while in office, often with involving companies that he is directly promoting on his true social feed or that his government is regulating. And if you just took that in a silo, it would be some kind of political career ending scandal that would have knocked down any other politician. The White House for its part says, well, it's all above board. We're not doing anything untoward. It's all patriotic. The stocks are in a blind trust, which is not true, but frankly, the way that they get away with it, the way that it hasn't really tripped up Trump like would any other politician. My suspicion is just because it's so vast in scale and happens so often that every time we catch our breath and start pointing at one scandal, another one pops up that draws our attention away from that cash.
Interviewer
Patel led this effort but do we know who pushed him to do it? Or was it of his own volition to try to use the FBI and the DOJ to pursue this grand conspiracy case?
Guest Commentator
Well, it's a bit of knowing that your boss in this case, the president, United States, believes in this stuff and wants to see it prioritized. And then a little bit, I think, is of just Cash's own making and that he's been out there, prior to becoming FBI director, going on these podcasts, pushing these conspiracies, arguing that there was a cabal of deep state actors who are trying to get Trump throughout the first term and then who are trying to ostensibly prevent him from becoming president again between his first and second term. The problem that he's running into is not just what Ken's outlining, it's that, well, it is what Ken's outlining. This stuff doesn't exist. And so just to give you a small sliver of the pressures that he's under, Donald Trump on Meet the Press this past weekend once again resurfaced the idea that January 6th was a peaceful protest and that anyone who was being disruptive was actually being aided, aided by FBI officials who were undercover in the audience there, shepherding them into the Capitol so they could be disruptive and destructive. Cash Patel has actually denied that as FBI director. He said that they were there as part of some sort of monitoring operation and not to actually stir the pot.
Sam Stein
And yet here he has the President,
Guest Commentator
United States, continuing to repeat a conspiracy theory. Now, I'm not saying I'm not trying to excuse him, nor am I excuseing Cash's conduct here. But if your boss, the president, who's quite vindictive and will fire you if he doesn't think you're pursuing his agenda with enough zeal, if he's the one pushing conspiracy that you've yourself debunked, then, yeah, you have to continue doing this type of stuff. Cash may still believe it, but on occasion he has let clear, let it become known that some of this stuff just is not true.
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Date: June 9, 2026
Host: Sam Stein, with guest commentator
Podcast: The Bulwark Takes
Main theme: Examination of the legality and ethics of Donald Trump hosting a UFC event at the White House, with broader discussion on recurring patterns of perceived corruption, and a segment on Cash Patel’s pursuit of “deep state” conspiracy theories.
This Bulwark Takes episode, hosted by Sam Stein, dives into the controversy surrounding Donald Trump’s planned UFC event at the White House to celebrate both the 250th anniversary of the United States and Trump’s 80th birthday. The discussion covers a lawsuit filed against the event, the entanglement of Trump’s personal financial interests, allegations of corruption, and how these echo historic White House scandals. The episode also includes a segment on Cash Patel and the pervasiveness of “deep state” conspiracy allegations within Trump’s circles.
Background:
Legal Questions:
White House Response:
Sam Stein's Prediction:
"Frankly, honestly, I think they're gonna get their way here. We are just days away from the actual event… It's hard to see that this thing will get called off, although you never know." (03:00)
Ethical Questions:
Comparisons to Clinton-Era Scandals:
Sam Stein draws parallels to the Lincoln Bedroom scandal but labels this “on steroids.”
"This kind of is like a version of Clinton's Lincoln Bedroom scandal, but on steroids." (04:08, Sam Stein)
Guest commentator expands:
“…big time donors… were given overnight stays in the Lincoln Bedroom… this was a huge, huge scandal… With Trump, this happens on the regular.” (07:32, Guest)
Pattern of Normalization:
“The way that they get away with it… it hasn’t really tripped up Trump like would any other politician… every time we catch our breath and start pointing at one scandal, another one pops up…” (08:30, Guest)
NYT Reporting:
Internal Pressures:
Nature of the Theories:
"This is Cash Patel's modus operandi… we were debating whether he's doing this because he's a true believer… or because... his time at the FBI is basically determined by whether or not he is doing Trump's bidding." (05:46, Sam Stein)
Ongoing Impact:
Guest explains Patel’s dual role as both promoter and reluctant debunker:
“Donald Trump... once again resurfaced the idea that January 6th was a peaceful protest... Cash Patel has actually denied that as FBI director... said that they were there as part of some sort of monitoring operation and not to actually stir the pot.” (09:44, Guest)
When the President insists on a narrative, subordinates are often compelled to support it, even when evidence is lacking.
On White House Corruption’s Normalization:
“My suspicion is just because it's so vast in scale and happens so often that every time we catch our breath and start pointing at one scandal, another one pops up...” (08:30, Guest)
On the Comparison to Past Scandals:
"This is giving donors and allies access to the White House South Lawn for a televised event that ultimately is going to really give a lot of profits to the UFC, although they say they're eating all the costs..." (04:08, Sam Stein)
On Cash Patel and Conspiracy Theories:
“If your boss, the president, who's quite vindictive and will fire you if he doesn't think you're pursuing his agenda with enough zeal... then, yeah, you have to continue doing this type of stuff.” (10:50, Guest)
In this episode, The Bulwark team dissects the latest controversy over Trump’s use of the White House for a UFC event with close personal and financial ties, noting both legal and ethical red flags. They connect this to broader patterns of Trump-era normalization of public office being leveraged for private benefit—now so routine that individual scandals barely register outrage or consequences. In a second segment, they critique the ongoing proliferation of conspiracy theories within Trump’s orbit, focused on Cash Patel’s attempts to please the boss and the damage independent justice suffers as a result. The episode underscores the fragility of ethical norms when enforcement is weak and outrage fatigue sets in.
For continued updates and analyses, the hosts encourage listeners to subscribe to Bulwark Takes.