Best of the Bus: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson Comes On The Bus For Episode 85

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys – Best of the Bus: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Episode 85)

Release Date: January 3, 2026
Guests: Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

NFL pros Will Compton and Taylor Lewan ("the boys") welcome NFL legend Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson for a lively, candid, laugh-filled ride through his one-of-a-kind football career, unique personal philosophies, and wild life stories. The episode moves from hilarious anecdotes and locker room banter to authentic takes on everything from parenting, legacy, and financial smarts to being a pro athlete with a heart. As always, the boys keep it light, irreverent, and totally unfiltered.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS & INSIGHTS

1. How Ochocinco Ended Up on the Bus

Timestamp: 01:05–04:42

• Chad was in Nashville for the Browns-Titans game and tweeted about not knowing what to do in town as a non-drinker.
• Will and Taylor recapped how their fan base bombarded Chad on social media, finally getting him to agree to come on the podcast.
• Chad: "The Urban Outfitters got me an outfit to wear today and here I am, forty bucks later. Why not?" (04:42)

Memorable Quote:

• "You’re very thrifty. You’re on record a lot talking about being frugal." – Will (04:57)

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2. On Being Frugal & Authentic

Timestamp: 04:56–07:07

• Ochocinco emphasized how staying frugal has helped him, both during and after his NFL career.
• He describes preferring comfort and authenticity over flash.
• Discussion shifts to the unique "bus" studio, including an anecdote about previously homeless folks crashing in the bus and not stealing anything ("They basically took clothes.").

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3. Love, Trash Talk, and Mind Games in Football

Timestamp: 07:09–12:27

• Ochocinco’s mantra of spreading love—even to opponents during games—gets explored.
• Chad: “My favorite line that pissed everybody off was, dude, I love you, in the middle of the game.” (07:39)
• The boys riff on psychological tactics, with Taylor saying he’d push boundaries (“There’s a big homophobic feeling in the NFL, and so when I tell another player, I’ll suck your dick, the game is now over for them.” – 08:15 Cam Jordan)
• Chad calls this all mental edge strategy: “Sometimes, in the NFL, that’s all you need… just that inch of you thinking, that split second is all I need.” (08:21–08:27)

Memorable Quote:

• "It’s always been my mantra … especially with the world the way it is now." – Chad (07:39)

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4. The Infamous “DB List” & Performing Under Pressure

Timestamp: 12:10–13:11

• Chad recounts his famous list of defensive backs, displayed in his locker, whom he vowed to beat each week.
• “I played All-Madden in real life because I put a list in my locker … and let everyone know I’ll beat you every down, all four quarters.” (12:13)
• "All they had to do was stop me one time and you get a check. Did anybody ever win? I think that year, one person..." (12:49)

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5. Position Challenges & Playing DB

Timestamp: 16:24–18:26

• Debates the hardest position in football (Ochocinco says corner is the hardest).
• Chad tells how he still covers top wideouts in the offseason (Tyreek, Antonio Brown, Julio Jones, Amari Cooper) and claims he wins about 40% of reps.
• “The fact that my body can maintain [treadmill speed of] 25 miles an hour for over eight, nine seconds, that means I can still go.” (18:40)

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6. College/Young Life Struggles, Separating from “The Life”

Timestamp: 22:26–25:48

• Chad shares his chaotic path to and through college, involving academic trouble, fighting, and bouncing between schools before landing at Oregon State.
• On avoiding street life in Miami: “There was a certain way things were done… But individuals that had potential to make it out, they looked out for you. They didn’t bring you in.” (25:05)
• Theme: Sometimes the neighborhood makes sure their brightest prospects get out.

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7. Parenting, Athletic “DNA,” and Family Philosophy

Timestamp: 27:00–36:39

• Advice to his own kids (especially son at Arizona State, daughter with major track speed).
• On fatherhood: “I have seven [kids]. We all work as one unit.” (34:16–34:56)
• Chad admits he chose mothers for their athleticism: “Everyone I had a child with was based on their DNA and athletic background. It had nothing to do with how fine you were or how you look. It was strategic.” (35:36)
• “Did you run track? Did you play volleyball? I need that DNA…” (36:09)

Memorable Exchange:

• "So it was strategic?" – Will
  "Every time." – Chad (35:49–35:50)

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8. Love, Dating, and the McDonald's Test

Timestamp: 37:07–39:30

• Chad shares his notorious “first date test” of taking women through the McDonald’s drive-thru (“It’s what I love… I have nothing to prove to you. Usually, you roll out the red carpet as a man… can you enjoy this meal without frowning your face if I pull in this McDonald’s drive-thru?” – 37:28)
• Anyone who can’t handle it doesn’t make it to date two.
• "What you’re offering, I can get elsewhere for free—or for a premium price." (39:04)

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9. Food in Nashville, Soul Food, and Local Recs

Timestamp: 39:32–41:20

• The boys help Chad find the best food in town (Monell’s, Hattie B’s, etc.), highlighting their own favorites.

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10. AJ Brown, Pro Bowl, and NFL Analysis

Timestamp: 41:20–44:09

• Chad is in town with NFL Films to feature star WR AJ Brown.
• The boys pitch nickname “Arthur Juan Kenobi.”
• Chad gives his take on the Pro Bowl: “It’s impossible [for everyone to make it]… all the receivers are doing well. Look at the stats.” (41:31)
• Brief analysis of best AFC receivers.

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11. Route Running, Top WRs, And Football Craft

Timestamp: 47:44–48:54

• Chad on today’s top route runners: “Devante Adams, Keenan Allen, Calvin Ridley, Terry McLaurin, Jerry Jeudy, Amari Cooper … the top two, to me, are Devante Adams and Keenan Allen. They are the AND1 Mixtape of running routes.” (47:51–48:30)
• “Well, it’s only one Ocho.” (48:52)

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12. NFL Lifestyle: Living at the Stadium & Saving Money

Timestamp: 49:03–51:13

• Chad confirms he slept at the Bengals’ facility his first two years to save money: “Why am I getting a place for, that I have to pay rent for, when I can stay there rent free?” (49:57)
• Was eventually forced by coaches to get an apartment.

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13. Media, Social Media & “I Am Athlete” Podcast

Timestamp: 60:24–63:57

• Chad discusses joining the successful "I Am Athlete" show alongside Brandon Marshall, Fred Taylor, and Channing Crowder.
• The group gets real about tough issues: “We touch on everything. Race, religion, politics, football…” (61:53)
• On media/villain persona: "If I could do it again, I’d do it the same way, and plus some." (63:59)

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14. The Patriots Years & NFL as “Business”

Timestamp: 64:04–68:39

• Transition to New England: “You walk in that door, the atmosphere, you understand you’re expendable… The pieces to the puzzle in New England change constantly… but the quarterback spot remains. Everything else shuffles in and out.” (64:25–65:03)
• On not fitting in: “Me, Wes Welker, Aaron Hernandez, Gronk, Edelman… Where did I fit in, anyway? If I'd had a choice, would I have chosen to go to New England? Probably not.” (65:03)
• Reflections on being traded as a clear business commodity.

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15. Final Notes: Life, Regret, and Living for Opportunity

Timestamp: 55:32–56:56

• Chad urges, “There are certain things in life you just don’t turn down… opportunities that present themselves that will never come about again.”
• On turning down (or seizing) chances in life, including bustin’ with the boys, and even missing a chance to smoke with Willie Nelson.

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NOTABLE/MEMORABLE QUOTES & MOMENTS

• On Picking Mothers of His Kids:
  “Everyone I had a child with was based on their DNA and athletic background. It had nothing to do with how fine you were or how you look.” – Chad Johnson (35:36)
• On Trash Talk:
  “My favorite line that pissed everybody off was, dude, I love you, in the middle of the game.” – Chad Johnson (07:39)
• On Frugality:
  "Why am I getting a place for that I have to pay rent for when I can stay there rent free?" – Chad Johnson (49:57)
• On The Patriots:
  “You walk in that door, the atmosphere, you understand you’re expendable … the pieces to the puzzle in New England change constantly … but the quarterback spot remains.” – Chad Johnson (64:25)
• On Missed Opportunities:
  “There are certain things in life that you just don’t turn down. Certain opportunities that present themselves that will never come about again.” – Chad Johnson (56:24)

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TIMESTAMP GUIDE TO IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• 01:05–04:42 – How Chad ended up on the bus / Nashville visit
• 07:09–12:27 – Mental edge, love as trash talk, “child please” catchphrase
• 12:10–13:11 – The DB List, performing under pressure
• 22:26–25:48 – College struggles and avoiding the street life
• 27:00–36:39 – Parenting, athletic DNA, choosing mothers for sports skills
• 37:07–39:30 – McDonald’s drive-thru first date test
• 41:20–44:09 – AJ Brown, Pro Bowl, and analysis
• 47:44–48:54 – Best route runners; “only one Ocho”
• 49:03–51:13 – Living at Bengals stadium, saving money
• 60:24–63:57 – “I Am Athlete” podcast, media personas
• 64:04–68:39 – Patriots years, NFL as business and trades
• 55:32–56:56 – Life lessons: taking opportunities

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OVERALL TONE

The episode is unfiltered, fast-paced, and laced with humor. Chad Johnson’s confidence, honesty, and strategic mindset about both football and life take center stage, all while riffing with the boys in classic locker-room style.

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This summary covers all essential segments and gems of wisdom, packed with the authentic flavor of the guests—including memorable one-liners and timestamped highlights—while skipping non-content and ad breaks. Perfect for listeners new and old wanting to catch the best of Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson on the bus.

Transcript

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Cam Jordan]

I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast.

[Will Compton]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Cam Jordan]

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[Will Compton]

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[Cam Jordan]

Making waves to pop culture. And I'll take you inside my journey.

[Will Compton]

Through my 15th season in the NFL.

[Cam Jordan]

Looking forward to you joining me this season, the season of more on the off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast.

[Will Compton]

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[Cam Jordan]

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[Will Compton]

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[Cam Jordan]

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[Will Compton]

Welcome to Bustle with the Boys. Boys. We're.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, we. That's. We're terrible at doing the intro part, as always, you know, subscribe rate 5 stars. We need you to buy the merch for the boys. Keep those things going. You guys are running the train. Tier ones are taking them, tier twos ripping them upstairs, and then tier threes are slowly chugging around the caboose, as you like to call it. You're bringing them up. You're. You're helping us out. And so that's always a big win. Big, big guest today.

[Will Compton]

Huge.

[Cam Jordan]

Maybe not the most biggest guests, but one of the biggest personality guests we've ever had on the bus. And I'll tell you how it started from our eyes. And I like to hear from your. From your perspective. So Chad Johnson, Chad Ochocinko, however you like to. To know him, one of the best football players, receivers of all time was coming into Nashville for the Browns Titans game, obviously huge Titans fan, as we all are, and says, what am I going to do in Nashville? Well, got a he. He came in with the COVID mass. Covid's going down still, right? We're still rolling down those trains, so there's not a lot to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right.

[Cam Jordan]

You're not a drinker. You're not gonna go hit the bars like that. You know what I'm saying? And you know what? Do you like Johnny Cash?

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Johnny's okay.

[Cam Jordan]

So Johnny's a legend. I'm glad. One of the same. I've seen the effort three times already.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. I'm sorry. You can do whatever.

[Will Compton]

We let it fly, man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Yeah. Sorry.

[Cam Jordan]

Johnny Cash is a legend. Country music, solid out there, but at the end of the day with the COVID stuff, this. This town is pretty much built on alcohol and entertainment. Take the alcohol out. Boom. Now, you got 50%, right? So people start hitting you out, busting with the boys. I start getting tagged. And then Will's. Will sends a little group text message, like with the big eyes. Hey, Chad's in town. What if we. Hey, what if we got Chad? What if this happens? What if that happens, right? So my around, I tweet a little something. Hey. Harass the guy, all right? Make it a little more difficult for him. Will ends up sending you just an eye. Little eye emoji right in the corner. You send it back. Now busting the boy says, now. Now, I want to get in there, too, because we're all chasing cloud at the end of the day, right? You're the clout train. So I'm in. I'm in it to win it. On that. Now you end up following busting with the boys. And now look at us, huh? Who would have thought? Not me.

[Will Compton]

Hey, I have tweeted at Chad, and I know you've seen numerous times to get on bus with the boys. Are you saying that this most recently, this is the only time you've seen me tweet to. For you to get on bus with the boys?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's hard to see because when it's repetitive over and over. Yeah, see it.

[Will Compton]

Your little show more stuff like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If you do it by yourself, man, it gets flooded out with so many other people if I tweet something out.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, I knew it was going to happen when you said, what should I do in Tennessee? And I knew. I knew our fan base.

[Cam Jordan]

We have a good fan base. I.

[Will Compton]

Because again, they see me tweet at you. We've been trying to get it going for a while. And so I knew it was like, cancel Christmas. We're gonna get him on this bus, definitely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And then I came in a day early. I came in a day early because I haven't been to Nashville since. I don't even know what year that was. We played the Titans. I remember Pac man was here, and Pac man had to cover me. Whatever. Whatever year that was. Like, I'm gonna come in a day early so I can see what Nashville is all about. I don't. I don't drink, obviously. I don't club. Find a McDonald's and find a Starbucks and maybe one restaurant to go to tonight. That's pretty much it. So that's why I came in a.

[Cam Jordan]

Day early as far as. I mean, what are you, a steakhouse guy? I feel like everyone's like, I didn't find a restaurant. Steakhouse is the in the end category.

[Will Compton]

You're in Cincinnati, so you know Jeff Ruby's.

[Cam Jordan]

So Jeff Ruby's does a rip here. It does. It's been here for a few years now. Yeah, there's Jeff Ruby's here. Yeah. It's a nice little place in the back room there. They got some good steaks, but there's some other spots, too.

[Will Compton]

Bourbon steaks.

[Cam Jordan]

A nice little dsps. No free shoutouts Came prime. Guess what, Bourbon say you're hearing us shout you out right now. You better come with the check next time and we mention your name. You know what I'm saying? It's not how this thing.

[Will Compton]

Prime.

[Cam Jordan]

We need prime is solid cane Prime. Think bink Checks need to roll in, boys. All right. We're helping you out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah. So tell us from your perspective, obviously, you said there's a lot. You get a lot of mentions and you tweet Damn near every 15 minutes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

It's very impressive. The. You're putting on the. On the old social media.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Content is great. Content.

[Cam Jordan]

Content is great and it's solid. But what made you think, okay, bus with the boys might be the right thing? Did you look into us at all?

[Will Compton]

Bus with the boys might be the right thing.

[Cam Jordan]

That might be the right thing for us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Obviously, Will. I know of will. Obviously. So why not? Especially with me being in a day early, having nothing to do in the middle of the day. Why not? The urban Outfitters, it got me outfit to wear today, and here I am 40 bucks later. Why not?

[Will Compton]

You know, I love it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You're.

[Will Compton]

You're very thrifty. You're very frugal.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Very.

[Will Compton]

You're on record a lot talking about being frugal.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Always been that way. A lot of people, eh. They don't like it. Yeah. I think people seem to more be concerned with looking like they have it even when you don't.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Do you respect how frugal we are with this bus coming in? You're not really. I saw you poke your head in. You weren't really sure.

[Cam Jordan]

Coming go down. You start. You pull in the back of where you pulled it. I don't want people to know where we are. You pull in. This is. A lot of things can go down in the back of a shed. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

This is nice. This is really nice.

[Cam Jordan]

I like it.

[Will Compton]

We actually, two months ago, had a group of homeless men break in and they. They just move the couches around, slept.

[Cam Jordan]

On the floor, turn this place into a soup kitchen.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Yeah, I promise. They had to file A police report.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And everything should have recorded that. You didn't.

[Will Compton]

We don't. We didn't have. I mean, obviously, if we were somebody, again, we would probably say, hey, you can't come here. But they slept. They didn't take anything. And the only thing they took is they took a box of merch. Like that. Like that box of merch. They basically took clothes.

[Cam Jordan]

And if. Honestly, if a homeless person breaks in here, doesn't take anything, it doesn't break anything.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

Have a sleep. That doesn't bother me at all. You know what I'm saying? Clean up after yourself. This could be a nighttime daytime. This could be an Airbnb, I guess, you know, for the homeless if they like to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a good one.

[Cam Jordan]

Whatever you want to have, man. There's nothing really expensive in here. Do we keep the cameras here or do the cameras leave?

[Will Compton]

The cameras were on. Hey, the cameras were here. Yeah, the cameras were here. So thank you. No.

[Cam Jordan]

Dawson shaking his head no.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The cameras leave every day.

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, the camera.

[Will Compton]

So what was here? Wasn't there stuff here that was important?

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, so they did break things. Well, now I've rescinded my. My invitation for them to do what they want to do.

[Will Compton]

So.

[Cam Jordan]

So hold up. You did say. You said, I know of Will. All right.

[Podcast Announcer]

Of course.

[Cam Jordan]

How do you know Will?

[Will Compton]

You hear that? That's what. Hey. Hey, Loki. Hey, Loki.

[Cam Jordan]

I'm thinking the same thing, too. He says, of course. Obviously, I know Will, and I decided that I.

[Will Compton]

He did follow me a while back. I don't know what from, but when I saw it that, you know, the.

[Cam Jordan]

Boy was hype and I know we'll get into your fandom in a second. That's. That's. This is a big. This is a big time thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I know Will. Oh, that's the homie.

[Will Compton]

It is like that.

[Cam Jordan]

Well, this is kind of like you guys are doing this and I'm a guest now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

You guys know each other like that?

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

God damn. Good for you guys. Well, yeah, but we don't know each other. Like, you guys obviously know each other.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's Twitter world for me. The Twitter world. And just the way I am with everybody. Like, I don't have to know you personally, but I know you. Like, I love you.

[Cam Jordan]

I love you, too.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I know you. I don't need to know you to love. Right. Because when people hate you, do they actually hate? Do they know you when they hate you? No, exactly. I love you.

[Cam Jordan]

Love you.

[Will Compton]

You are big on saying I love you a Lot to the world junior high. And is that the whole idea of it is like.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's always been my mantra. It's always been my thing. Especially with the way. Especially with the way is now. Yeah, always. Even though in games and clips and when the enemy in the battle of war would be mad and talking to me, my favorite line that pissed everybody off was, dude, I love you in the middle of the game.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah. I have a sim. I have a similar line I like to say to people when I play football is I'll suck your dick. I think that's usually. That's a line of mine that is. I think with the. There's a big homophobic feeling in the NFL. And so when I. When I tell another player, I'll suck your dick. The game is now over for them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

The mental battle.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

But it kind of goes into I'll love you. That's right. So does. We're kind of.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That gains me a mental edge. Right. And sometimes times the game of inches in NFL, that's all you need.

[Cam Jordan]

Several inches. Not several. Three to five. But yes, I know what you're saying. But I love it. There is a different kind of way because, you know, it's always kind of like the amount of times I've been called the N word. The amount of times you're like, you all. You suck.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You're the.

[Cam Jordan]

It's kind of like the same verbatim over. And guys, this is. There's no creativity in the NFL when it comes to talking trash. And if there's one thing that I've loved about watching your stuff is it's. It's original.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Authentic.

[Cam Jordan]

It's authentic. And so that's been a thing since junior high.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

I love that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I love you. In passing. Just random people Twitter every. Every morning sometimes. You never know what people are going through. Obviously, there's only so much I can do as an individual.

[Will Compton]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, so that. That. That message. I continuously do it just 247 wherever I'm at.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Outside of telling guys you love them, what are. What are some of your more favorite or some of your better lines you look back on? You're like, that was a bangers.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Of course. Child, please, please.

[Cam Jordan]

Please.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Meaning from hard knock. And it. Meaning based on the delivery. The delivery is important. It's a nice way of saying you.

[Cam Jordan]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you can use it in the workplace if your boss pisses you off and if your delivery is right and you say man, child, please. He will never know what you're talking about. But you're able to get that off your chest, right, without getting in trouble. Right? HR Called on you.

[Cam Jordan]

I like that.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, Rabel, that could be.

[Cam Jordan]

I'll tell you what. Vrabel would definitely. He would need to hear this a few times, for sure. What do you think you're Chad. Yeah, you do that.

[Will Compton]

You can barely say to him, like, don't.

[Cam Jordan]

Don't call me. Tell him the yes, sir thing you did. The variable that just really grinded his gears. Rabel is for. If you. I know this is the bus with the boys. Things new to you. Rabel is a huge fan of us. Huge fan of this bus.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

Will's one of us. Got to be his top three.

[Will Compton]

I don't know. It's back and forth. I never know how to get a read on him.

[Podcast Announcer]

Right?

[Will Compton]

But I was. I was working the cards on scout team, and they held it up, and they were like. He was like, hey, dirty D. Like, you know, give a good look, show a little speedball, ball this and that. And, you know, I like to have fun. Oh, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Like, come on. Hey, guys, show speed. Like, he's like, what'd you say? And I'm just like, oh, I just said, yes, sir. Yeah, I bet you did. I'm like, what?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That.

[Will Compton]

That's literally all I said, was, yes, sir. And then a couple weeks later, I'm preparing. I'm on. I'm on the defensive side. I'm freaking doing this. And he. He's coaching me up, and I just nod, yes, sir. I got you. Like, he thinks I'm being a jackass again, like I was a couple weeks before, and he's like. Like, don't call me sir. Stop saying yes, sir to me. I'm just like, oh, my God. How do you even. How do you work around this? Yeah, what am I saying?

[Cam Jordan]

Unless you call him God, I think that's, like, really the only thing he'll be okay with.

[Will Compton]

I tell him a. Child, please.

[Cam Jordan]

Next time, you tell him. What if Rabel calls me out the next team meeting I'm in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Child, please calm down.

[Cam Jordan]

So what'd you say? I said, I love you. I'll hit him with that, too. And I got a twofer right there in my back pocket.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Good mind.

[Cam Jordan]

Because I feel like if you tell a head coach, you'll suck them on that. That part, I think that one. That's probably not it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right? Do that.

[Cam Jordan]

I'll tell you what it is. It is definitely a competitive edge to do those things, though. I like that, though. I Like that. Do you always be a talker? Did that develop in the league?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I just, I needed that mental edge, right. I needed that mental edge. And the reason I talk throughout the week, obviously people consider it putting pressure on yourself because obviously once you talk and give the other team bulletin board material, you have no choice but to go out and perform. Right. Me, it kind of. It mind fuck my opponent into oh shit, you know, now I got to be on my. I got to be on my p's and Q's, Right. Just that nervousness. Just that inch of you thinking, is that split second is all I need.

[Cam Jordan]

Has there ever been a time when you were like, I shouldn't have.

[Will Compton]

I shouldn't have you ever mind fucked yourself? Be like, I really got to fucking. I got really got to put up.

[Cam Jordan]

See, I don't believe. I don't. I don't necessarily believe it. That's a fucking difficult thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What's difficult? Think about this. Remember when I had the list of DBs?

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Before the season started. Yeah. You know how hard that is? I'm. I actually played the game of football in the NFL with the 1% that are the best in the world on all Madden. I played it in real life on all Madden because I put a list of people in my locker that I was facing from week one to week 16, 17. I forgot how many weeks there I got CTE right.

[Will Compton]

But.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And letting you know, I'm going to be to every down all four quarters and you're not going to stop me. And all they had to do was stop me one time and you get a check. That's it.

[Will Compton]

All they had to do was stop you one time and you gave them the win for the game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. For that specific game.

[Will Compton]

Did anybody ever win?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I think that year, I think it was one. One person. But as far as completions and targets and actually getting covered and balls knocked down, fuck no.

[Will Compton]

Hey, I remember that too. He'd be in press conferences and he'd have his little list behind him in the locker. I was all state in high school. Receiver. I could ball a little bit. You know what I'm saying? So I'm watching Shadow Jo Cinco. That's who I am in the backyard. You feel me?

[Cam Jordan]

No. Yeah. 100.

[Will Compton]

Hey, you know how you're like that uncle and you're like your, your niece or your daughter brings home somebody and they like play ball and you're like, hey, you know, back in the day, I used to ball a little bit.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Will Compton]

That's you right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now.

[Will Compton]

Oh, that's me right now. Right.

[Cam Jordan]

Right here. Tell I was.

[Will Compton]

I was solid.

[Podcast Announcer]

The moments that shape us often begin with a simple question. What do I want my life to look like now? Dr. Joy I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford and on Therapy for Black Girls we create space for honest conversations about identity, relationships, mental health and the choices that help us grow. As cybersecurity expert Camille Stewart Gloucester reminds.

[Radhi Devlukia]

Us, we are in a divisive time where our comments are weaponized against us. And so what we find is a lot of black women are standing up and speaking, speaking out because they feel.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The brunt of the pain.

[Podcast Announcer]

Each week we explore the tools and insights that help you move with purpose, whether you're navigating something new or returning to yourself. If you're ready for thoughtful guidance and grounded support, this is the place for you. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Brad Palumbo]

The social media trend that's landing some gen zers in jail. The progressive media darling who's public meltdown got her fired.

[Will Compton]

I'm going to take Francesca off the network entirely.

[Brad Palumbo]

The massive TikTok boycott against Target. That makes no actual sense.

[Radhi Devlukia]

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

[Brad Palumbo]

And the MAGA influencers whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

[Will Compton]

So refreshing to have a press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

[Brad Palumbo]

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[Podcast Announcer]

Hey, I'm Kelly and some of you may know me as Laura Winslow. And I'm Telma, also known as Aunt Rachel. If those names ring a bell, then you probably are familiar with a show that we were both on back in the 90s called Family Matters. Kelly and I have done a lot of things and played a lot of roles over the years, but both of us are just so proud to have been part of Family Matters.

[Cam Jordan]

Did you know that we are one.

[Podcast Announcer]

Of the longest running sitcoms with a black cast? When we were Making the show. There were so many moments filled with joy and laughter and cut up that I will never forget. Oh, girl, you got that right. The look that you all give me is so black. All black people know about the look. On each episode of welcome to the Family, we'll share personal reflections about making the show.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Podcast Announcer]

We'll even bring in part of the cast and some other special guests to join in the fun and spill some tea.

[Radhi Devlukia]

Listen to welcome to the Family with.

[Podcast Announcer]

Telma and Kelly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Will Compton]

Back in the day.

[Cam Jordan]

I'll tell you what, being a receiver, that's tough. Being. Being a corner is tough. I mean, the whole thing's hard.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The corner is the most. The hardest position.

[Will Compton]

I agree with that.

[Cam Jordan]

Could you play corner, did you think right now?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Probably. I do that in the off season with some of the today's players. Right. So when we train together, for me to see what it is they want me to see, I actually play db.

[Will Compton]

Who are these players?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Tyreek, Antonio Brown, Julio Mari Cooper.

[Cam Jordan]

So the best of the best. Yeah, it's for you. Cover. You could have just say the best ones, and that would have categorized all of them. Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That was fun.

[Will Compton]

But are you winning? You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I win maybe 40 of the time, and that's great, being that I'm not a.

[Will Compton]

Hell, yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

You're playing one on one now. Is that 40 legit, or is that like, hey, I probably. I would have definitely legit fans.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

40, because at times, I know what's coming before it comes.

[Will Compton]

Right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You can just tell coming out the huddle. Split alignment. You already know what route's coming, so I'll just try to guess.

[Cam Jordan]

So you guess.

[Will Compton]

So you're.

[Cam Jordan]

You're a coin flip guy. Yeah, I like that. How old are you?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right?

[Cam Jordan]

What's your age? Right now you're what, 52. You're 52 years old. No, you're not. Check his age.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I was born in 68.

[Will Compton]

He's like 42.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm not.

[Cam Jordan]

I mean, we'll look it up right now. It's all right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Doesn't even know me.

[Cam Jordan]

Hey, I'll tell you what they know.

[Will Compton]

78. 42 years old.

[Cam Jordan]

All right. You're 42 years old. Listen, that's one strike, Chad.

[Will Compton]

All right?

[Cam Jordan]

You've lied to us once on the bus already, and we're 10 minutes into the state.

[Will Compton]

I'm 52.

[Cam Jordan]

When he said 52, I was upset with myself. I'm like I'm 29. This man.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what? 52. Based on the wear and tear I had to take throughout the years, I feel 52 when I wake up every morning, so.

[Cam Jordan]

But you think you could still play? You think you play one season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Easily at a high level with the right preparation. Yes. And the opportunity and the ball coming easy.

[Cam Jordan]

Really?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because teams put you in a position to be successful.

[Cam Jordan]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They put you. If I'm just saying, hypothetically. Yeah, it'll be easy. My skill set hasn't gone anywhere.

[Cam Jordan]

Well, it could. I mean, you're 42. 42 now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Anywhere, either.

[Will Compton]

It hasn't gone anywhere. So you're saying you're as fast now. You're the same speed now as you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Were back in your little slower hell. I was just on the treadmill running 25 miles an hour, what, four months ago on Instagram?

[Cam Jordan]

25 mile an hour.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Decent. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

That is kind of fast.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean. I mean, obviously the treadmill is making me go, but the fact that my body can maintain that for over 8, 9 seconds, that means I can still go.

[Cam Jordan]

So why don't you?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Why don't I what?

[Cam Jordan]

Play?

[Will Compton]

Why.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Why would I want to play? Because I played 13 years. That's enough.

[Cam Jordan]

Thirteen years is a long time. That's a. That's a good amount. How many people you make?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Six.

[Cam Jordan]

That's. I mean, that's a Hall of Fame career.

[Will Compton]

You got nine between all of us on the bus.

[Cam Jordan]

Look at us, right?

[Will Compton]

Six.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Three.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

We're rolling, boys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Where'd you play?

[Will Compton]

Nebraska?

[Cam Jordan]

I played in Michigan. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yo, what's up with your wolf, dude?

[Cam Jordan]

I. I tell you what, Will. Will caught me in a predicament the.

[Will Compton]

Other day because he was hilarious. Yeah, dude, that was so funny.

[Cam Jordan]

I'm playing the political correct. Like, oh, well, you know, they need to do this. He was like, so what do you think you should get rid of hardball? And I got. I'm like, I didn't know what the. This.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You think they. They should.

[Cam Jordan]

Yes, I think serious. So when I got there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's hard by the reason, though, or maybe they don't. They don't have the talent to succeed. Excuse me.

[Cam Jordan]

It's all right if. If you. If it's. When I got there in 2009, Rich Rodriguez was there, and the whole time Rich Rodriguez is there, all they wanted was Harbaugh. And then Brady Hook came in from San Diego State, who's a mission guy for whatever. He was a deep coordinator or whatever. All they wanted while Brady Hook was there is Harbaugh now Harbaugh's there. And so, and I hate to do. And there's a, there's a Michigan fan at the edge of their seat right now listening to me talk because they want me to say something nice. I'm not going to because Mark d', Antonio, who is a, who was the head coach of Michigan State and that's going to hurt even worse. He gets two and three star guys. And while I was at Michigan, they're playing for Big Ten championships. They beat us three out of four times. Like they fucking got it done. Now you can be a four star athlete. Anyone can be athletically gifted, right? But if you, if you're a slappy or you don't know work ethic or you don't know what to do, then you're not going to develop into Chad Johnson or Will Compton. You're not going to develop into the guy that's gonna be able to make it or have that great impact. Now at Michigan you're sponsored by Jordan. You have, I mean it's you. I would say we're running, we're running away from relevance, but it's still a very relevant college.

[Will Compton]

It's like a five star college.

[Cam Jordan]

It's a five star college, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Are you getting the recruits though?

[Cam Jordan]

I think you're getting, you're getting better recruits than Michigan State was when Martin Antonio was there. And my thought is, is Martin Antonio took and developed those guys. Took a guy like Jack Conklin who I played with last year, he played for the Titans, he was a first round pick, had to walk on to Michigan State. Now he's a first round pick and left early. That type of, that's what I'm talking about. I think if you're getting a four and five star guys, which Michigan does get right then, then after that it's development and you need to have kids excel and do and do better as you go. And that's, that's not happening at Michigan now. I don't, I don't know how to coach. I don't know how to do that shit. And I would never try to be a coach. I have Will I talk about, I'm like, Will would want to coach when he's done playing. I don't, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to coach like I want to go, I want to make, make my money, win a championship, make some pro Bowls, wear a jacket someday. You know what I'm saying? That's the kind of shit I want to do. And then after that I'm fairy dust, I'm out of here. But I, so, but so I don't know how to necessarily develop people. But if you look at that and you're such a sought after coach like Harbaugh has been, it's one of those situations where, you know, it is on the coaching staff now, you know what I'm saying? It does kind of get on that because you're getting, you're getting the dudes, you're getting the guys, you know what I'm saying? And it's just if you look at his track record, he's got like, oh, and 10 versus top 15 opponents, like 1 in 12 against top 10. Like.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, it's not a good look.

[Cam Jordan]

It's not a good look. And I might get, I might have got the stats wrong one way or another, but they just played Penn State a couple weeks ago, who was over, haven't won a game all season, right. And Penn State beat him by 10 points. So it's like, I mean, come on, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, where'd you play?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Where'd you play college ball at Oregon State one year.

[Will Compton]

That's right.

[Cam Jordan]

Beavers.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Dennis Erickson, we went 11 and 1. Missed a chance to play in the national championship by a field goal against the Huskies and we blew Notre Dame out. That was fun. That was, that was a great, that was a great year.

[Will Compton]

You were only there one year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that was a knucklehead. I mean, my story, it's too long. We'll be here all day. Never went to class in high school. Graduated late. Then I get to any higher school in Oklahoma. Langston University, obviously. Red shirt there, clock starts, get in trouble. Fighting there. Go to Santa Monica in LA with Steve Smith, Right?

[Will Compton]

Okay, Carolina.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Play one year there, that's two years down. The following year I'm ineligible. There's three years down.

[Will Compton]

How'd you know it was grades?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Grades, school, fair school. I want to play football, right?

[Will Compton]

Yeah, you got to try to be ineligible.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So of course, obviously I get my grades together throughout the off season or I wouldn't be able to play. Boom. Play in Santa Monica the third year, obviously, because I was Inezable ii. That's four years down, one for one. Oregon State gave me a shot and once I got there, I didn't look back.

[Will Compton]

And what do you mean by you didn't look back? Like you started taking it in trouble.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I had to take it, take it serious.

[Will Compton]

You started to get it. You started to buckle down a little more okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

As soon as I put school first and said, okay, I'm gonna do this first and football second, everything just went smooth. And it took until I almost didn't have the opportunity to play at the next level or showcase my talent on the big, big stage. I didn't get it until then, like, over and over as a knucklehead.

[Will Compton]

And so knowing that was about to fully slip away from your hands, that's when you. That's what made you want to straighten it up.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah. Straigh. Or my opportunity to play in general or even make it to the NFL. Right. Same to none.

[Cam Jordan]

What would you do if you didn't go to the NFL?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I probably. Well, I was cheap as hell, but I would always want some nice things. I'd have to sell drugs. I'll be a mule for the cartel.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, I. I mean, that's a good way to make money. It's tax free.

[Will Compton]

I did. I did watch an interview on you, and you were talking about the circle of friends you did have growing up and how they kind of separated themselves from you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Let me endure. I was. Where I grew up in Miami during that time was the dope era. The dope, dope boys and the cocaine. And I would be around, but when it was going down or anything that could hamper anything as far as my career or anything going forward, football wise.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And they kicked me the fuck out. Just from around, just. Just around them in general.

[Will Compton]

Why do you think that? Because usually it doesn't go that way. People are trying to reel you in because they don't. They don't want to see you have success without them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Back then, there was structure. I'm not a street dude, but there was a. There was a certain way things were done, but individuals that had potential to make it out of that area, they looked out for you. They didn't bring you in.

[Will Compton]

So how did. How did you fully separate from that circle? Was that when you went to the NFL?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Once. Once I left for college. Obviously I wasn't around it. Yeah. But I. I didn't indulge myself in that activity, though. They wouldn't allow me to even if I wanted to. You know, when you're young and you want to be cool, you want to fit in.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You want to do what the.

[Cam Jordan]

Let me do this, let me do that. Your talent level. And said, no, he can't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

When the. When the lights flicker, you know, the lights. When it's coming on is dimming. When the light start flickering, they would send me on. Damn, damn, yeah, it was cool.

[Cam Jordan]

I heard. I heard a similar thing to Deshaun Watson.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, he had a.

[Cam Jordan]

He had a situ. Like, I don't know his story. This is all, like, secondhand stuff. But it would be a similar thing. He would, you know, be in a bad area, and when the lights start flickering, like, you have to go home, or if something was about to go down, they'd be like, you need to go home right now. Because they. I mean, I heard it was because they knew how talented he was, and he had a huge opportunity, and dudes obviously want to get out of those situations.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, that's. That is. That's your. That's your out, man. That's it. Those environment, the surroundings that. Where I grew up, or. There's so many stories like that. Our only way out is sports. You know, I'm not a academic scholar. Who the. Am I fooling? Yeah, 4.0. No, that's not me. I'm extremely smart with finances and how to handle my money. But when it comes to all that other. When it comes to school that you're never gonna use in life any goddamn way, what am I using? Calculus.

[Cam Jordan]

I felt stats three times.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Algebra and all this, but, you know, I'm not an engineer or just. I don't know, man. It's weird. But, I mean, it worked out.

[Cam Jordan]

When you start throwing letters into math, Y equals mx plus B I, that's when I was like, well, the game's over for me. And I think that's where I've. I've lost the battle. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, I enjoyed it. I try to. I try to instill. My son is at Arizona State now with Marvin Lewis and Herm Edwards. He played receiver. He's a freshman. So I try to talk to him and tell him, you know, make it easy for you. You're doing something I wasn't able to do. You actually had a big school as a freshman, getting that experience of college that I never got. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

I'll tell you what. ASU is a great. I'm from Arizona.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

For real?

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah. I'm from Cave Creek. But I almost went. I almost went there, but I. After I saw the girls at Arizona State, I was like, I just can't go here.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

Get in trouble. So I went to the opposite. I went to Michigan. All right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

These girls weren't.

[Cam Jordan]

Hey, it was tough sledding out there, Bug. Especially when you grow up in Arizona. You go up in Arizona, it's. It's beach weather all the time. Everyone's going to the pool. Everybody has a pool, right? So everyone's got to stay in shape. And so you're looking at nines going, that's a.

[Will Compton]

You know, working at Target, too.

[Cam Jordan]

And you're like, she's all right. And then you go to Michigan and, like, you're like, oh, I'll never have sex again.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I guess.

[Podcast Announcer]

I guess.

[Cam Jordan]

I guess it's over for me. And then six months goes by. You're like, well, I guess you're playing roulette, right? You're zipping down the North Face jacket, going, please make this a real thick jacket. You know, you're hoping to God that winter coat on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And then you go.

[Cam Jordan]

Then you go back to Arizona, and you're like, these girls are way out of my league now. Now your mind starts to change a little bit. So. But I. When I was. I went there a couple times, and it was like. I was like, I can't go here. When girls wearing bikinis in class, I was like, dude, this is wild.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's funny.

[Cam Jordan]

It's a different deal, but it's funny. Okay. Shouts to your son, man. To be able to go and do something like that.

[Will Compton]

You.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm glad he's in that environment, though, because he has Marvin, you know, obviously. Marvin Lewis.

[Will Compton]

Well, yeah, you gotta be probably. Yeah, you probably have his number. Talk to him all the time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's. He's in an NFL environment, even though he's in college. So I know they're gonna make sure. Keep his head on. Right.

[Cam Jordan]

It's his. Is his talent around yours New Year's?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not yet. You got a long way to go.

[Cam Jordan]

Okay. Where he is now as a freshman in college, was he at that time. What were you guys compared to right now?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Where he would be right now, I would be at Langston. Different skill sets, so I'm not sure. It's hard to judge. Yeah, different skill sets and a lot bigger than me.

[Cam Jordan]

He's bigger than you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's six. Like, six three and, like, solid. I'm still wiry a little bit.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, you've always been able to.

[Podcast Announcer]

The moments that shape us often begin with a simple question. What do I want my life to look like now? I'm Dr. Joy Hardin Bradford, and on therapy for black girls. We create space for honest conversations about identity, relationships, mental health, and the choices that help us grow. As cybersecurity expert Camille Stewart Gloucester reminds.

[Radhi Devlukia]

Us, we are in a divisive time where our comments are weaponized against us. And so what we find is a lot of black Women are standing up and speaking out because they feel the.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Brunt of the pain.

[Podcast Announcer]

Each week we explore the tools and insights that help you move with purpose, whether you're navigating something new or returning to yourself. If you're ready for thoughtful guidance and grounded support, this is the place for you. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts are wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm Kelly and some of you may know me as Laura Winslow. And I'm Telma, also known as Aunt Rachel. If those names ring a bell, then you probably are familiar with a show that we were both on back in the 90s called Family Matters. Kelly and I have done a lot of things and played a lot of roles over the years, but both of us are just so proud to have been part of Family Matters.

[Cam Jordan]

Did you know that we are one.

[Podcast Announcer]

Of the longest running sitcoms with a black cast? When we were making the show, there were so many moments filled with joy and laughter and cut up that I will never forget. Oh girl, you got that right. The look that you all give me is so black. All black people know about the look. On each episode of welcome to the Family, we'll share personal reflections about making the show. Yeah, we'll even bring in part of the cast and some other special special guests to join in the fun and spill some tea.

[Radhi Devlukia]

Listen to welcome to the Family with.

[Podcast Announcer]

Telma and Kelly on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Radhi Devlukia]

Hi, I'm Radhi Devlukia and I am the host of a really Good Cry podcast. This week I am joined by Anna Runkle, also known as the Crappy Childhood Fairy, a creator, teacher and guide helping people heal from the lasting emotional wound wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods. We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies. And Anna opens up about her own story. What helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random. Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend and they broke my jaw, my teeth. I was unconscious. Then I woke up and I screamed. And I screamed because even though I didn't know who I was or where I was, something in me was just like, hold on, wait, they could kill me and I'm not going to let that Happen. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm going to get through this. And I did listen to a really good cry on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast run.

[Will Compton]

Because you didn't you play soccer, too?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Soccer is my first love.

[Cam Jordan]

Right.

[Will Compton]

Because when you got out of football, you weren't you on a team. Didn't you play in a game? Like, weren't you a part of that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Semi pro in Miami over with Tony fc. Soccer's always been my first love. Obviously I didn't have the resources to play it in Miami, but why was soccer.

[Will Compton]

How was soccer your first love over. Over football?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I have no idea. That is what I gravitated as a child. You know, when you in p. Elementary school.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Go to pee and they dump all the balls out at once.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I gravitated soccer ball, for some reason, just couldn't play.

[Will Compton]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Playing soccer in the hood in the 80s. Think about it. Yeah. Really.

[Will Compton]

Playing football on the street. Not trying to hit cars, stop for the car.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Will Compton]

Do you find yourself with all the experience you have and obviously kids and everyone gravitates towards Chad Ochocinko because you have the facade of, you know, having fun and doing all that stuff. Do you find yourself mentoring a lot of kids who are trying to play sports and trying to keep them on? Hey, don't be, you know, lights are flickering or going down this path or that path.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not really.

[Will Compton]

It's hard.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain't gonna listen. Gotta learn through experience. Even though the message is coming from me, I think of me at that age and hearing someone that I look up to, and it goes in one ear and out the other.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, if you ever. If I run into you, we have a talk, you ask a question, I. I give you my input, my opinion on what you can and can't do. Right. No right from wrong. Anyway. I knew it back then. I listen to people or the people that came to talk that look like, oh, my God, that's so and so. One ear out the other, you know, you remember what they said? I mean, I had to learn through experience and following my ass and having to get back up.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

You think it'd be easier, especially when you become a parent. I had. I got two kids and you're like. And my kids are too young. But I know I'm gonna get to the point where I see what you're doing. Let me help you with this. And they're gonna be like, you know, kind of Off. I gotta do that. I gotta go and do this. Yeah, that's going to be. That's got to be hard to see, hard to watch. Sounds like your kids got to get head in the shoulders, though.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Yeah. You know what? I'm lucky. I have seven.

[Will Compton]

Seven kids. I know you have a daughter who is very fast.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, my God.

[Will Compton]

They all might be. But I'm just saying, you know the one I'm talking about?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. She's extremely fast, actually to the point where she might be able to get me. Right. That's crazy, because anything past 100, 100 meters, she'd probably get me. And she's only 15.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, she's a stud. He'll post her videos at track meets and stuff. I'm just like, yo, kids are running.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like that these days. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

None of my school.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I have no issues. And none of them were like I was. I mean, I wouldn't even say it's a testing to me. It's a test. Yeah. Mom's not playing that.

[Will Compton]

Do you have baby mama drama?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Never. Never have. We all work as one unit. It's good build.

[Cam Jordan]

It's a little one unit.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bingo.

[Cam Jordan]

I like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's. I'm glad you just said that.

[Cam Jordan]

You fence them in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

You know what I'm saying? You can't fence in with two. That's just a gate. You know what I'm saying? At least four to make a fan of the gate.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a good.

[Cam Jordan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn.

[Cam Jordan]

Sorry.

[Will Compton]

You gotta remember that one.

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, I just said it out loud. I probably, you know, that's mine now. Write that down. Taylor wrote that one. I said that on the pod forever. Yeah, it's now. It's now on the pod for ever. Oh, I'll tell you what, I. The whole. The whole having multiple mothers thing, it just seems now. I don't wanna. I'm not stepping on territories, I don't know, but it does seem like a difficult track.

[Will Compton]

Stressful.

[Cam Jordan]

I see some guys, three kids, three women. I'm like, dude, that's a lot of.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like it. You know, I think about what I did. Everyone I had a child with was based on their DNA and athletic background. It had nothing to do with how fine you were or how you look.

[Will Compton]

So it's strategic.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Every. Every time.

[Will Compton]

So I had nothing to do.

[Cam Jordan]

It's playing chess.

[Will Compton]

It had nothing to do. It had nothing to do with pulling out. It was strategic.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't care anything about bad and all that. Hey, if I wanted models, I Don't want miles. I want athletes. What'd you do in high school? Show me some tape.

[Cam Jordan]

No, I'm serious.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Did you cheer?

[Will Compton]

Did you run track?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Did you play volleyball? I need that DNA. I need that mixture to be on point, you know? I don't need the bad bitch trying to look cute with good hair. No, for what? When the last time you seen a great football player that was fucking pretty.

[Cam Jordan]

I'm a really good football player.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you're not. You're not. You're pro creating.

[Cam Jordan]

So you literally procreate it, basically.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And it worked because everybody. Thank you. Thank you.

[Cam Jordan]

That was Alex. Was Alex.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Everybody's wondering because everyone is athletic in their respective crafts and good at what they do.

[Will Compton]

So did they understand that they were getting trapped?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes, because I. I explained that forehand.

[Cam Jordan]

So I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put a baby inside you because you deserve it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a horrible delivery. That's a horrible delivery.

[Cam Jordan]

Are you sure?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But that's seduce. That's the gist.

[Cam Jordan]

Tell me how it happens.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's the gist of it right there.

[Cam Jordan]

I'll be the girl.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I can't right now.

[Cam Jordan]

Are you ready?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I haven't done in a while. Remember? My kids are 23 grown.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

16. Yeah. That was so long.

[Will Compton]

Now. Did these women have to pass the McDonald's first date test?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Everybody does. I don't care who you are.

[Will Compton]

Explain. Explain your philosophy on dating.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, it's what I. It's what I love. I'm already. I already have money.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm rich. Yeah. So I have nothing to prove to you. Usually you roll out the red carpet as a man trying to. What's the word?

[Cam Jordan]

Court.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Court.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, there are certain things I like in life. Can you like what I like knowing what I have to offer. What are you bringing to the table outside of vagina.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you're an added expense. Can you enjoy this meal without frowning your face? If I pulling this McDonald drive through.

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, you don't go inside?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No. Go to drive through.

[Cam Jordan]

Get your gun out. Boss.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It works.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, we're fired up.

[Cam Jordan]

It's a tough time to be a cop.

[Will Compton]

Right now I have a. So you don't take him into McDonald's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You're going through drive through. I just. The facial expression when you pull in McDonald's drive thru where they're dressed up and thinking they're going somewhere nice. I need to see your facial expression.

[Will Compton]

So they have no clue they're going to McDonald's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that's what I've done every time.

[Will Compton]

Obviously now people are understand, right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, anyone I date after, they know, and then after that, you know, you do the nice upscale restaurants and.

[Cam Jordan]

It'S cool, you gotta pass that first level.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

So if you're in the drive through, let's say where you take a girl at the drive through and you look over and body language, she does the.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Body language, facial expressions over you, like, are we. Yeah, we know we won't be doing this again.

[Cam Jordan]

So do you still order food or do you leave? You're like, this is it. Or do you kind of pull around? You know, sometimes they have two lanes.

[Will Compton]

I order, he's still gonna get his food. I. I bet, I was gonna say, I bet he's still getting his food.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And if she has a problem with it. Okay, cool. I mean, what do you want?

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, gotta. You got a whole village anyway.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bingo.

[Cam Jordan]

Got a squad, right? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, are you adding to my plate? No, you're taking, right? And what you're offering, I can get elsewhere for free?

[Cam Jordan]

No question. Or for a premium price.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But yes, absolutely, that too.

[Will Compton]

I've always wondered how do you enjoy McDonald's so damn much as a kid? Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying like every day. You know how you get in phase and you're like, I need to take a break right now, but I'll go back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I do take a break. I eat other things. Poor tropical. Depending on. I don't know if they have one here. Poor tropical, no free shadows. I don't know if they have Bahama Breeze here.

[Will Compton]

No, I don't think so.

[Cam Jordan]

That sounds like Miami thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Soul food restaurants love soul food. Yeah, in Miami. Cuban restaurants love that. I love Cuban coffee. I don't drink alcohol, so anytime I have a cigar, I always have to have coffee. Which is why I asked for a coffee.

[Cam Jordan]

What's that? What's the place in Germantown?

[Will Compton]

That's like, that's what I was trying to think.

[Cam Jordan]

Soul food place. You sit there, it's bench style seating. You're not allowed to be on your phone.

[Will Compton]

Right. It's like you go into a house.

[Cam Jordan]

You don't know, and they, they have like the best food. You'll sit there. It's unbelievable. It starts with like an M, I think.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I know.

[Cam Jordan]

It's right in germantown. It's like 10 minutes away from here. You'd love it.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, you should check what's the name of it.

[Cam Jordan]

I was trying to figure out.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, okay, that's it.

[Cam Jordan]

Breakfast, lunch or Dinner. They always have like. Like a fried chicken or like, that's a Monells.

[Will Compton]

He said that's a good tweet.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ask the people what they think about Mono's.

[Cam Jordan]

Mono's a solid.

[Will Compton]

I think you'll get a raving people.

[Cam Jordan]

All about hot chicken here too. I ate it. I don't know. Hattie B's is pretty good, but people say that's like a cop. Like, that's not the deal. You shouldn't go there. A different spot. But I think. I mean, I had Hattie Bees one time. I ate it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They told me to go to Hattie Bees. Well, I. I saw that multiple times.

[Will Compton]

It's more of a tourist type thing.

[Cam Jordan]

It's like, I'm gonna go here just.

[Will Compton]

Because Monell's is not touristy. So I think you would actually see, look, there's a spot you walk in.

[Cam Jordan]

That'S literally the house.

[Will Compton]

You walk in there, you walk into that place.

[Cam Jordan]

It's like lunch tables. And so you'll be sitting next to a person you don't even know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

How do you spell that?

[Cam Jordan]

Monells? M O, N, E, L, L. And it'll. Hopefully it'll figure it out after that. You know what I'm saying? It's a Monounce. There's probably an S in there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I go, yeah, see, look, you can tell.

[Will Compton]

You go sit right up in there. I'm sure everybody's saying I love you there.

[Cam Jordan]

It's cool, too.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And if you go, L. Yeah. Yep.

[Cam Jordan]

No free shout outs. Manells. We better see that checked.

[Will Compton]

What is. What does NFL Films have you doing out here?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Doing a feature on AJ Brown. He's having a phenomenal love one.

[Cam Jordan]

He made the Pro bowl this year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't. I don't know yet.

[Cam Jordan]

No, I'm saying, do you think he makes the Pro bowl this year? That's a question.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's impossible. All the reason. All the receivers are doing well. Look at the stats of all the receivers. Right.

[Cam Jordan]

He's at nine touchdowns in eight games.

[Will Compton]

He has a nickname that we've given him. And since you're going to be featuring him, this would be phenomenal. Arthur Juan Kenobi.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Arthur Juan Kenobi.

[Will Compton]

Are you a Star wars guy? His name AJ Is Arthur Juan.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Will Compton]

And so we're playing off of a Star wars character. We're staying. We're playing off a Star wars character. Obi Wan Kenobi. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

To know that this is. This was something that Will decided is going to be.

[Will Compton]

Well, I think that's dope.

[Cam Jordan]

No, I think he doesn't like it.

[Will Compton]

Arthur Obi. Okay, hang on, hang on. Obi Wan Kenobi has a rat tail. Arthur Wan Kenobi, he's got his little. He calls it a Gucci tail. So I think it's, I think it's like a no brainer.

[Cam Jordan]

Beautiful teeth in the kid.

[Will Compton]

Get some T shirts made, you know what I mean? Just always thinking, nine touchdowns in eight games.

[Cam Jordan]

Who else in the AFC is doing that?

[Will Compton]

Yeah, go. He'll, he'll tell.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Who else is? I mean, look at some of the AFC receivers. It's right there.

[Cam Jordan]

I mean, it's up there. Tyree Kill. I'm just gonna go crazy. DK's in the NFC.

[Will Compton]

Stefan Diggs.

[Cam Jordan]

Stefan Diggs, he'll make the Pro Bowl.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hop is NFC too, right? Yep.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, he's in it.

[Cam Jordan]

Just left. Will Fuller is Houston Fuller's not going to make it. He just got popped for ped. Keenan Allen, he runs good routes, right? He saw superb routes. He kills dudes. Now, is he having. What's his numbers like?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't think it's up there. I'm not sure.

[Cam Jordan]

But he has a name. Would you say if I said Keenan Allen or AJ Brown? Just from a name?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, it would obviously be.

[Cam Jordan]

It'd be Keenan. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

But I don't know, I'd say, I mean, Tyra Kill, obviously he's gonna make the Pro bowl. He had 200 yards in one quarter. It's unbelievable. And he's got it. He's got a big name. Stefan Diggs is another one. Keen Allen could be another one. How many receivers they take the Pro Bowl?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Four. Three. I mean, I think four. Four.

[Cam Jordan]

I think he's in it then. If any.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Four.

[Cam Jordan]

If they take three, it's like, hey.

[Will Compton]

Well, he's got a strong.

[Cam Jordan]

To get your name out there because you know, it is big name game. If you got the name this and the other.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And if you got. You got to put up the numbers too. Yeah, somewhat.

[Cam Jordan]

No question. But you got dudes.

[Will Compton]

If he finishes the year strong, I mean. Yeah, he's got a real good shot.

[Cam Jordan]

Well, voting's now those last two games don't count. Those last three games don't matter.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, until like what, 17th or something.

[Cam Jordan]

Three more games. I think he's. I, I love A.J. he's a great teammate too.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

Like the way when he's around, he's infectious.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's.

[Cam Jordan]

He's for the most part pretty happy. You know, he was acting a little weird this in the beginning of the year.

[Will Compton]

He was throwing us through a loop.

[Cam Jordan]

But now he's. He's AJ now.

[Will Compton]

What's your. What are your thoughts on aj On Arthur Juan Kenobi?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I tweet him all the time. I wanted to get smaller shoulder pads, though.

[Will Compton]

Smaller.

[Cam Jordan]

Too big?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, yeah, they're too big.

[Will Compton]

I'm telling you, his shoulders are actually.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I wanted to get some shoulder pads like Ed McCaffrey, like, let the gun pull that up.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, I told him too. I said, hey, the guns were showing the shoulder pads.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like Michael Bennett. Damn near.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know?

[Will Compton]

Oh, yeah, yeah. He basically put.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, she does look trash. But I know what you're saying, like, the smaller, the better, the smaller the actual bigger he looks. Yeah, I'm with that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It looks like he's playing in the 50s almost, right?

[Will Compton]

Yeah, he does have some big pads on, but he's a big cat.

[Cam Jordan]

He's a big dude, man. His shoulders are very broad and he's like. It's like a triangle.

[Will Compton]

Do you have a. Do you have a list of the best route runners? I'm sure people ask you that all the time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, I just.

[Will Compton]

Who are some of your.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Toponte Adams, Keenan Allen, Calvin Ridley.

[Cam Jordan]

Calvin Lee's like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Terry McLaurin Washington.

[Will Compton]

He's a young. He's a stud, too. Second year player.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's special. Jerry Judy.

[Cam Jordan]

You like him?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Jerry Judy Judy.

[Cam Jordan]

He's for Brock. He's a Broncos.

[Will Compton]

Okay.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I know you're talking about Amari Cooper. I mean, it's. It's so many. It's so many. But I mean, the. The top two, to me, obviously to me, are Devonte Adams and Keenan Allen. They are the. And one mixtape of running routes and creativity and just, like, embarrassing you.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The line 101. Like, both of them.

[Will Compton]

Both of them brought you to tears. And watching the rest.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, it's a sight to see and it's hard for people. The casual fan really won't understand it. They'll just call out other big names and receivers who put up big numbers. But you won't understand the art and creativity of what they do.

[Will Compton]

How did they compare to you?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, it's only one Ocho.

[Will Compton]

That is true.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Only one Ocho.

[Cam Jordan]

Only one eight is what he just said. If you think about it, that doesn't.

[Will Compton]

Make very much sense, does it?

[Cam Jordan]

There's only one eight, was it?

[Will Compton]

I've heard you say that. The first two years of playing in the league, you slept at the stadium. Yeah, I mean, I've been to Cincinnati, so I know it's, it's. I mean it's. It's only the stadium facility. It's all one thing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, the players lounge.

[Will Compton]

But is this something that was happening every day or you only stayed there every night?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't want to spend any money.

[Cam Jordan]

I love that dude.

[Will Compton]

So where were you set up at the players lounge.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Players lounge has everything. You got your gaming, you got your couches, you got blankets, you got pillows.

[Will Compton]

So you slept on the couch?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

You didn't get like a cot or something?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No. Expensive ass couch. Plush, you know, for the fat guys, the big boys. Perfect, perfect. Everything free. You got water, you got food, you got cafeteria. What am I getting a place for that I have to pay rent for and I gotta stay there rent free. Parking lot.

[Cam Jordan]

It's always a plus when I'm buying a place at the parking lot.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm hungry, leave the stadium, go put my code back in, come back in, it's everything.

[Cam Jordan]

So why'd you leave?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, Marvin Lewis and Hugh Jackson made me get a place.

[Cam Jordan]

They said you have this time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, my third year, they made me get a place. Hell, I stayed at my grandma's house in Miami, where I grew up as a kid until my fifth year in.

[Will Compton]

The league, every off season I went home.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

When I went home to Miami, I'm still living in the same house with my grandma and I. Once I made. I'm like, listen, we can move now. We can move out of here. And she'd rather stay there because of the memories and nostalgia.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like, are you serious? So she wanted to remain in. In that area. Say it. Okay, well, I'll stay here too. What am I getting the house?

[Will Compton]

I do love that. I do love that. Every. Every all says I'd stay at my. At my parents place just in the off season, but not.

[Cam Jordan]

Don't try. Don't try to Compare yourself.

[Will Compton]

I said, not during season. Taylor doesn't know about being frugal.

[Cam Jordan]

I am actually a very frugal person. Everything I'm wearing was free. Everything I'm wearing is that.

[Will Compton]

That. That is.

[Cam Jordan]

Yours cost $40. Mine cost zero. So so far, I'm winning the game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Urban. Urban. Urban Outfitters have a sale going on right now. So do they have the sale rack? I just put it together. That's why I don't match.

[Cam Jordan]

It's a nice little. I think you match this fine. I think it looks good.

[Will Compton]

I think, you know. I think you know what you're doing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I like it. I just threw some together.

[Cam Jordan]

You know, you're very tactical. You definitely are a chess player of life. It's not like you'd like to come off as well, you know, I just kind of do whatever. But you're definitely. I feel like you are very, like your steps throughout the day, you know what you're doing, and you've done a great job of it, right? He said, yeah.

[Will Compton]

Premeditated.

[Cam Jordan]

Very premeditated.

[Will Compton]

You're solid. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Times. It has to be because you just can't go all willy nilly.

[Cam Jordan]

See, I'm a fly by the suit of my pants guy for the most part. I've had to tame it back a little bit having kids now, but I've definitely been more of a willy nilly than a. A tactical force. But I tell you what, being around you makes me want to be more tactical. It's kind of. That's. That's what you're bringing to the table. You're influencing me. I'm 29 years old.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Gotta try it.

[Cam Jordan]

I will, I will. I'll do that now. So much work. It's so. I feel like it's a lot of work, but it seems like it's not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's easy.

[Cam Jordan]

And you do what you want, too. Like, you've answered your phone and tweeted on this. On this program.

[Will Compton]

Oh, and he's done it smooth. Hey, he's done it smooth, too. Hey, he's been smooth about it, too.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah. Holy Monel's hits, doesn't it?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Smoking thighs. Absolutely. Or breakfast. Somebody said, yes. You won't be disappointed. Oto's one of the best here. Yes. Somebody said McDonald's. Oh, you're cheating on McDonald's. McDonald's.

[Cam Jordan]

Hattie B's as McDonald's like, giving you, like, you know how to get more. They give you a card to give the card.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I did some of McDonald's in 05 through 07. That's.

[Will Compton]

Is that when you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I can't remember. I can't remember.

[Will Compton]

I know there's one time where you want to do. You would drive up and ask for an application in case.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You never know. Excuse me, can I have application also?

[Cam Jordan]

You can get it at the first.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The second window.

[Will Compton]

Thank you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You never know, knowing I might lose my job.

[Will Compton]

They were doing like. What was that called? It's like an NFL films thing where they're following them around. He's talking about how much he like works out and then he'll go to the drive thru and he'd be like, can I get an application? He pull up. You never know. Another one's not going to work out. Saying that. He already said that.

[Cam Jordan]

I love that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But he mentioned Morton's. The is Morton's.

[Will Compton]

It's a. Morton's is a. It's a chain steakhouse.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. Okay, okay. Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

No, no. Free shout out to Martin's Morton's.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And Saturday, obviously, after film, I'm going to famous country place. What's the name of it?

[Cam Jordan]

Honky Tonk. No, sit down.

[Will Compton]

On Broadway. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Something has to do with the country singers. And it's famous. It's. When you. When you come to the Ryman, feel everybody.

[Will Compton]

Country Music hall of Fame.

[Cam Jordan]

No, it's the Ryman or it's Johnny Cash Museum. No, no, it's a concert hall he's talking about. There's the Ryman that's just off the off Broadway.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

And then what's the place that was over at.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I can't remember.

[Cam Jordan]

By the mall. It's literally the name of the mall. That's it. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I have to go.

[Cam Jordan]

I've never been there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I have to go there tomorrow. And that's. So that's how the piece is going to go. So in Jacksonville, we did James Robinson. We featured him. Rookies having a great fun.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, he's doing well.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I went golfing at TBC Sawgrass Golf Course and I sucked. So that was half of the film. And the rest was James Robinson, you know, playing against the Browns. So tomorrow I'm going to Grand. I don't. Yeah, so I'm gonna do that. And then the other half will be what A.J. brown does against the Browns.

[Will Compton]

You think you're gonna get their autographs? Him and Corey Davis?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I scream and heckle all the players every time.

[Cam Jordan]

That's good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Every time they come out the tunnel.

[Will Compton]

Really?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, AJ's gonna love that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I asked for a ball with some funny shit.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, I saw you tell AJ you need to throw a ball at him, you'll pay the fine.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Retweet it. So he'll probably throw one before the game. Can't find it for that.

[Cam Jordan]

You should throw one during the game. You said you pay the fine.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I would. It's only seven grand.

[Cam Jordan]

See, now we're. That's a lot of money.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, not really, because, remember, I'm a mule for the cartel, so my money's coming in different.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, no, he's got different pockets.

[Cam Jordan]

No, that's. That's absolutely how it goes. One of my Grand Ole Opry. I've never been to the Grand Ole Opry, but when I first got drafted here, they were like, hey, it was during OTAs. So I'm, like, trying to learn the playbook. And they're like, willie Nelson is going to introduce you at the Grand Ole Opry. And, I mean, I was like, I'm a big Willie fan. And I said, no, no, no, no. I need to stay here and study my playbook.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What?

[Cam Jordan]

Biggest regret of my life.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I would have took my playbook with me.

[Cam Jordan]

I'll tell you what. I up. Look at me in the eyes. I up. That's just life. Nelson the King. I'll tell you what you said no for early.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Just.

[Cam Jordan]

If I had a drug test tomorrow, and Willie Nelson was like, smoke this with me. I don't care if it's pcp. I'm smoking that with Willie Nelson. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Will Compton]

Because that's how much you regret.

[Cam Jordan]

Dude, Willie Nelson is a. Is a legend.

[Will Compton]

Doesn't seem like you understood that, though, when you said certain things don't seem like you understood that at the time you said, no. He's, like, sitting here. He is a legend. I smoke PCP with him.

[Cam Jordan]

It's like, I didn't appreciate. I thought, oh, more opportunities will pop up. I'll be fine. Like, I've been here for four days. Like, this is already what's happening.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Cam Jordan]

I haven't had one fucking call about Willie Nelson since I messed up everything.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

There's certain things in life that you just don't turn down. Certain opportunities that present themselves that will never come about again that you just can't turn down.

[Cam Jordan]

Like busting with the boys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You've. You took advantage of this opportunity to turn this down. Like, I had the opportunity to stay in my room and have sex with multiple women in Tennessee that send me their vagina. My dm. Yep. And where am I?

[Will Compton]

You're with the boys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bus with the boys.

[Will Compton]

Because you're for the boys.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The vagina, you don't need it.

[Cam Jordan]

It's just taking food off your plate. We've already talked about this. See what you know, we're good listeners.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what else the vagina is?

[Cam Jordan]

What's that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's a added expense. It's an added expense. And if anybody giving to you free, it's not that good.

[Will Compton]

Look at all back there.

[Cam Jordan]

All of them back there like a class just now, they're like this.

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[Radhi Devlukia]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Will Compton]

I'm gonna take Francesca off the network entirely.

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The massive TikTok boycott against Target that makes no actual sense.

[Radhi Devlukia]

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

[Brad Palumbo]

And the MAGA influencers whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

[Will Compton]

So refreshing to have a press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

[Brad Palumbo]

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[Radhi Devlukia]

Hi, I'm Radhi devlukya and I am the host of a really good Cry podcast. This week I am joined by Anna Runkle, also known as the crappy childhood fairy, a creator, teacher, and guide, helping people heal from the lasting emotional wounds of unsafe or chaotic childhoods. We talk about how the things we went through when we were younger can still show up in our adult lives, in our relationships, our reactions, even in the way we feel in our own bodies. And Anna opens up about her own story. What helped her notice the patterns she was stuck in and how she slowly started teaching her body that it is safe now. So when I got attacked, it was very random. Four guys jumped out of a car and just started beating me and my friend. And they broke my jaw and my teeth. I was unconscious. Then I woke up and I screamed and I screamed because even though I didn't know who I was or where I was, something in me was just like, hold on one, wait, they could kill me. And I'm not going to let that happen. I'm not going to let that happen. I'm going to get through this. And I did listen to a really good cry on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Cam Jordan]

You'Re thinking about the journal. They're like, yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If she says, oh, I'm not a prostitute, you're paying indirectly, in some kind of way. Dinner, flowers, chocolates, some chocolate. Movies, Go Karts, Netflix, anything.

[Will Compton]

Candy, Postmates again, eventually.

[Cam Jordan]

Chocolates. Oh, wait, they said chocolates. But you know what I'm saying.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Some. Some way we're banned indirectly.

[Cam Jordan]

Johnny Cash Museum, which is.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You shouldn't go.

[Will Compton]

Johnny, I want to talk a little bit about your new. Your platform. I am athlete.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that's Brandon Marshalls.

[Will Compton]

You do that? Yeah, with Brandon Marshall, Fred Taylor, and Shannon Crowder. Shannon Crowder.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, I've seen that. What? When did that. When did that start. Happen?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

This is season two for them. And I did the beginning of season two. Brandon asked me to come by and just be on.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Reggie Wayne was on there. Fred Taylor and Shannon and Brandon and I was just a guess. Talked about the hall of fame. We talked about some other things. Did so well. The jump in Brandy was like, dude, gotta. You gotta.

[Will Compton]

You need 85.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I was like, cool. What days? Because they have other things I have going on. You know, a show with Kyle Long and NFL and Twitch called Twitch Sports Wednesdays. And I said, if we can do it, as long as I can finish this first, then I can come film with you guys. After timing worked out and we've been going strong ever since, and now it's.

[Will Compton]

It'S doing well, especially in the YouTube space. For sure.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like it. I really enjoy it.

[Will Compton]

And that's out of my. That's in Miami.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I like it a lot.

[Will Compton]

It's similar to a similar type of platform. They just kind of talk about just. They're just raw and they talk about some on there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Important stuff, you know, Right. Stuff. Policy. We touch on everything, you know, race, religion, politics, football.

[Cam Jordan]

Hairy stuff. Those three things you just said are hairy. Yeah, I like that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Very touchy.

[Cam Jordan]

It's nice sometimes to play a little gray area, hit the boundaries a little.

[Will Compton]

Bit, and you all have different views and opinions. So that's what makes it, like entertaining, actually.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Speak your mind and we. When they. We let it rip.

[Cam Jordan]

You don't obviously care what people get mad about this opinion or that opinion. That doesn't bother you at all?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No. And I never gave a. Yeah, that's smart.

[Cam Jordan]

It's good to do that. It's hard. I feel like it's harder to do that now with all the stuff, the social media and all that. It's more difficult to ignore those things.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, it's staring your face, but it's still easy to ignore it. For Duck's back, you know, we had.

[Cam Jordan]

A guy on the. On the podcast. His name's Brandon Shop. The guy, he's a great comedian and he has a few podcasts. He does a lot of good work. And he brought that up how he just. He has social media, has thousands of followers. He just puts something out there and then he doesn't look comments or anything. It just does this thing that's. That's admirable because it's hard to do when you're in. You're in the middle of your career and you're trying to figure out, like, how good can I be? This. You kind of want to get gassed up a little bit once in a while. Yeah. You go check them things. You go check a little. Put your name in the old search engine, right. You see nine great things about yourself. But that one bad thing, you're like these. They don't get it, do they?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's always like that. I think for me, it's extremely easy because I already had that mentality from growing up and not giving a. So the carry on. Once I got to the NFL, I still had the same mentality of not giving a. Obviously, I love playing into the villain role the media portrayed me as, and I loved it. I loved the Persona and that's all it was. So people seem to confuse the two person, like, person. Yeah, this is me. That's just. That's. That's an. That's an act. Act Marketing the whole. You know, the whole nine yards.

[Will Compton]

Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like it. And just not giving a. Because if I cared, then I would have stopped doing what I was doing a long time ago. Once the media, now, they were on my ass for everything.

[Will Compton]

Was there anything you wish you hadn't done?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

If I could do it again, I'd do it the same way. And plus some.

[Will Compton]

When.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I love that.

[Will Compton]

When you transitioned from the Bengals to the Patriots, what was that like? When you're. When you're. You're up here like Chad Ochocinko, you're doing all this stuff, you're celebrated. You were. You were the Cincinnati Bengals. And then you start to transition and realize that, damn. You know, at the end of the day. Right. Take us through that transition.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, it was easy because you already know it's an organization that doesn't play that and doesn't really need you. Right. Once you get there, you walk in that door, the atmosphere, you understand that you're expendable.

[Will Compton]

At that point, you're a commodity no.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Matter who you are. Unless you're that centerpiece, which was 12. That makes that train run, makes the whole train function. Because the pieces to the puzzle in. In New England change constantly. Think about it. Oh, yeah, but one piece remains the same quarterback spot, but everything else around him, it shuffles year in, a year out, year in, year out. But they continuously win, no matter who's there. So it was.

[Will Compton]

It was. It was.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It was a tough spot. I enjoyed it. Obviously I wasn't as productive as I'd like, but hell, me, Wes Welker, Aaron Hernandez Gronk Edelman. I mean, where the did I fit in anyway? It's not like I had a choice. I think. If I had a choice, would I have chose to go to New England? Probably not. Probably not, no. Because it just. It wasn't a great fit for me. Even though, oh, my God, you get to play with the greatest quarterback of all time. Yes. But as you see. Right, right. Don't really need you. But you're here. Big name, eh?

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[Radhi Devlukia]

Us, we are in a dark divisive time where our comments are weaponized against us. And so what we find is a lot of black women are standing up and speaking out because they feel the.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Brunt of the pain.

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like if we're on the air here and I literally have my contract here and I'm looking at, you know, as soon as I sign this, I'm gonna get a seven figure check. I've told them I won't be working here in two weeks. From the underground clubs that shape global.

[Will Compton]

Music to the pastors and creatives who.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Brad Palumbo]

The social media trend that's landing some gen zers in jail. The progressive media darling whose public meltdown got her fired.

[Will Compton]

I'm going to take Francesca off the network entirely.

[Brad Palumbo]

The massive TikTok boycott against Target. That makes no actual sense.

[Radhi Devlukia]

I will continue getting stuff from Target and I will continue to not pay for it.

[Brad Palumbo]

And the MAGA influencers whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment.

[Will Compton]

So refreshing to have a press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulate.

[Brad Palumbo]

You won't hear about these online stories in the mainstream media, but you can keep up with them and all the other entertaining and outrageous things happening, happening online in media and in politics with the Brad vs. Everyone podcast hosted by me, Brad Palumbo. Every day of the week, I bring you On a wild ride through the most Delulu takes on the Internet, criticizing the extremes of both sides from an independent perspective. Join in on the insanity and listen to the Brad vs. Everyone podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Will Compton]

Could you stated Cincinnati?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I could have, but I'm not sure how the business side of things work. But that's not what they wanted, so. And what am I going to say? Oh, my God, I don't want to go to New England. Right.

[Cam Jordan]

You didn't have any other places that wanted you?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Sure. But they traded.

[Will Compton]

Oh, that's right. That's right. You got traded. That's right.

[Cam Jordan]

That's a lot.

[Will Compton]

Is that when you started to figure out that you were a commodity or you had. Had that been something you already understood the whole time?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, for sure.

[Cam Jordan]

See, I told. I told John Robinson he traded Jarrell Darrell Casey this past year in the off season to the Broncos. And Jerrell's been here forever. He made five pro bowls here, has done a great job for this team.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Is a good dude.

[Cam Jordan]

So I pulled him over during camp. I said, john, if you trade me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That'S a D tackle, right?

[Cam Jordan]

Yes, yes. So the G8.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

98, 99. Oh nine. Okay.

[Cam Jordan]

So Jarell Jarrell got traded the Broncos. So I pulled John to the side during camp. I said, john, I love you to death, but if you trade me, do not send me somewhere cold. Just make sure you send me somewhere warm. That's all I care about. So he agreed. So John, he's out here now. So if I ever get traded to somewhere cool, I'll be pissed. Going to Buffalo or something. Or the Patriots, do you think? Obviously, the Patriots being what they were, and then Tom leaving and then Cam coming in. Because once Cam went there, you were like, oh, they're gonna be right back where they left off. Were you surprised about kind of how? It hasn't been necessarily that this year, because they can still make the playoffs. Right.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They have much of a season off season.

[Will Compton]

No.

[Cam Jordan]

I mean, it's coven.

[Will Compton]

No.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I think all that matters.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Being able to the jail with your teammates, work out an off season. I think all that matters. I think next year would be a little different. I'm hoping maybe they allow him to play another year.

[Will Compton]

He was only. He's only.

[Cam Jordan]

I don't.

[Will Compton]

One year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right. Though. He's on a one year.

[Cam Jordan]

I think people are saying he'll still be there, from what I see. Right, right.

[Will Compton]

It's smart. I mean, New England's in this driver's seat as far as business contractually, because it's like, you know, Cam wanted to have a hell of a year because he gets to. He gets to go back to the bank and re up big time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right.

[Will Compton]

Someone is not going perfectly. It's like the Patriots know that when they give him an off season, he'll probably flourish. But as far as like leverage and business, like, I'm sure no, it'll be interesting.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Never know with them, though. You never know what the page is. But is there a better, better option at this point, Ben? Cam. But giving Cammy full off season, work with everyone, you know, from offensive standpoint.

[Will Compton]

Right.

[Cam Jordan]

A better place for him to go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, I mean, it's as far as the opportunity again.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

To try it again. A full season under his belt with the offense and understanding the scheme, understanding what he has around him.

[Cam Jordan]

He's a stud too.

[Will Compton]

They need to get more pieces there too. So what all are you into now? You do NFL films. You got I am athlete now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Athlete with Brandon. I have an NFL Twitch show with how long on Wednesdays. Hell, I'm the ratings adjusted for ea.

[Will Compton]

Oh, yeah, that's right funny with just the receivers.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, everybody players. Just five players every. Every week.

[Cam Jordan]

Not a lot of old lineman on that madam Madden adjuster.

[Will Compton]

We need to get the boy taken care of.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, my shit's terrible.

[Will Compton]

He's been like. He's been like low 80s every year, you know what I'm saying? Three time Pro Bowl. We need a little bit more respect on my man's name.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Got you.

[Will Compton]

You know what I'm saying? Please.

[Cam Jordan]

I don't need to be good in real life. I just need to be good in the game. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I got you.

[Will Compton]

It's always nice when you got a decent rating.

[Cam Jordan]

Yeah, 84.

[Will Compton]

We got boosted to a 69.

[Cam Jordan]

You actually got boosted. I saw the tweet.

[Will Compton]

Somebody said, oh, thank you, thank you. I went from a 68 to a 69 around. You know what I'm saying?

[Cam Jordan]

How'd that happen?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ballin'.

[Cam Jordan]

Oh, well, man, I tell you what. This has been a cool, cool experience. Always knew who you were, knew your personality, but never like, truly fall. I'm definitely a fan now. That's. That's pretty cool, man. It's pretty cool to have you on. And I know Will's been a big fan for a while. When you said you were coming on, I called. I almost made Will not go, but I call. Call the Will and he's stoked dude. And so yeah, we appreciate you coming, man. Not a lot of people.

[Will Compton]

I actually brought a cigar. I'm gonna have you sign it because when I was, when I was about to come. So here's what we got. Appreciate you coming on Busting with the Boys I'm about to get this autograph. Everybody go subscribe Rate 5 stars give raving reviews. You can follow us bus stars, the WTB bus and WTB. We also have a YouTube channel, busting with the Boys but share this episode Yell from the Mountaintop. We had Chad Ocho Sinko on thank you very much for coming on what's up?

[Cam Jordan]

It's Cam Jordan. I'm back with season three of your favorite podcast, the off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast.

[Will Compton]

Tap in every Wednesday to hear conversations.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

With my friends and stars from the.

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[Cam Jordan]

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[Will Compton]

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[Cam Jordan]

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[Will Compton]

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