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Best of the Bus: Charles Woodson On Winning Heisman Over Peyton Manning + Almost Retiring Early
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Charles Woodson
This is an I Heart podcast.
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Taylor Lewan
Goat, the defensive goat.
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Dave Portnoy
I mean, you are one of the best of all time, bro. It is an absolute pleasure to have you on the podcast.
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Charles Woodson
I appreciate that, man. You guys are shaping up to be best of all time, too. On the field, what you're doing on the field. Dude, you really mean that right here?
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Dave Portnoy
Because we tried again. I remember I was. I. I was either we were on Twitter going back and forth because you was in Nashville one time. Yeah, I think trying to get you, but yeah, everything was way too tight.
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Charles Woodson
But, man, so I tried to make it happen, but, yeah, the timing was off a little bit, but, you know, we. We did it.
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Taylor Lewan
Finally got it done, man. We gotta obviously jump into Michigan. Like, for how many years have we just been shitty? And now finally we. We put it all together this year, man. What did that mean to you as an alumni?
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Charles Woodson
Well, you know what's crazy is that it wasn't that we were Shitty. We just couldn't beat them guys. We couldn't beat Ohio State, man.
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Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
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Charles Woodson
Like, that's really what it was like. When you think about, you know, Jim, when he came in, Jim was winning nine, ten games a year. But then we get to that last game and we could never get over that hump, you know? So when we think back to Michigan and we see that we had a shitty year. You know what I mean? And so these last couple of years have just been like, dude, I don't even know how to explain it. You know, it's just. It's. It's not even that we won the game, it's how we won the game.
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Dave Portnoy
Yeah. Like, and with all this, all the storylines throughout the year, too.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah.
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Taylor Lewan
It's not just that game. It's the season, right?
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Dave Portnoy
The Penn State. The hardball. Getting suspended right before the Penn State game as they're traveling, he's getting told all while they're on the tarmac, literally.
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Charles Woodson
And that was. I was at that game because I was working with the. The big noon kickoff crew that weekend. And we get there and they're like, yeah, I don't know if Jim's going to be able to coach today. We're like, what are you talking about? Like, yeah, you know, he was on the plane. He got the word that he might not be coaching. We're, like, on the plane, like, literally on the plane to Happy Valley. You talking about he can't play? I mean, he can't coach. So it just a lot of different storylines, you know, this particular season with him putting people in place. Mike Hart was a coach, one game, head coach. Then Sharon Moore, who's got the job now. He was a coach for, like, three or four games. And those guys, you know, just looking at. Looking that situation in the face and just being like, it don't matter.
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Taylor Lewan
And it's such a. It's such a massive, like, statement to the culture of Michigan because they had every excuse not to achieve the goal of winning a national championship.
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Charles Woodson
Right.
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Taylor Lewan
And like, you, obviously, you don't have to expand on this at all, but how pussy was it of the Big Ten to try to implement some sort of bullshit band aid? Hey, we're going to punish him. Tony Petiti, as they're flying to Penn State and doing all that, that's just. Just bad ball. There's no due process there. And so. But the thing I like about it personally is that if there were all these allegations and they never took Harbaugh off the field, then it'd Be like the true asterisk to a national championship. But because you put all the adversity on and off the field towards the Michigan players right now, it's like there's. There's truly. Like it didn't matter what got in their way. They were winning a national championship. Yeah, that was so big.
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Charles Woodson
It truly was a Michigan versus everybody. Yeah, you know, the, the, the co. The phrase that they coined and also the other one was bet. You know, they, they had that. I forget after which game it was, but it was just to say, all right, you guys are going to put, put all of this on our plate bet. We'll handle it. And that's exactly what they did. And, you know, being in Happy Valley and you know, that being, you know, our toughest game to that point on the schedule, and then coming out in that second half and I think they threw the ball one time and then from there on it was like just old school Michigan football for a whole half. Like, just, just take this, take this, take this. So, yeah, it was fun, man. The whole, the whole ride this year, man. I mean, you know, we were riding along with them guys, man, just on cloud nine every week. And then when they capped it off, I was able to go to the semifinal. Pasadena didn't make it to the championship game. But watching that championship game and the way they performed the domination, you know, that, that, you know what, let me go back, because you talked about the culture and that was important with this team because of all of the guys who said, I'm coming back, I'm coming back because we got unfinished business. And then they actually did it. Like, that was. That's pretty special, man. So I'm happy for them guys, man.
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Dave Portnoy
What's it like knowing that you guys brought that Michigan, your guys, university brought a national title in 2023, and it's been since what, like the 1940s since you guys last won a national title.
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Charles Woodson
97, man. I knew he did it on purpose. I know what he did. I know. Nice. That was good. That was good. Okay, I see. I see how it is. See how the show's gonna be. I had to.
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Dave Portnoy
Taylor and I, obviously, we always go back and forth. I mean, you guys have been whooping our ass for a while.
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Charles Woodson
That's funny.
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Dave Portnoy
I had to get that in because it's always like, if I'm, If I'm put up against Taylor, Dave Portnoy, we go back and forth. If I try to throw Nebraska in, It's like, oh, 1997. Personally, I feel like As a player, you like being the coaches pole national championship more than the AP national champion.
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Charles Woodson
Well, man, you know, when you, when you guys got up there and start crying, you know, after the season about, you know, our coaches leaving and man, we deserve it. We like, what the hell is going on? Right. You know what I mean? So you guys begged your way into that little spot, the knee too.
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Taylor Lewan
The coaches were just like, I guess we'll just give it to him then.
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Charles Woodson
Like, really? Come on.
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Dave Portnoy
I mean, we, you know, Nebraska beat. And it's funny because Charles is like, he's a play. He was a player. He was on the Michigan team. Like, we're like, I'm just sitting here like, oh, we Nebraska. Yeah, yeah.
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Taylor Lewan
You're eight.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, yeah.
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Taylor Lewan
Eight years old.
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Dave Portnoy
Hey, but Nebraska beat Peyton Manning, led Tennessee.
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Charles Woodson
Oh, man, they did. They did.
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Dave Portnoy
They did average over 40 a game. Michigan average 20 something. However, their defense, you guys, we were.
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Charles Woodson
Pretty mad about that too, because we, we go out to, you know, Washington State thing, we're like, all right, you know, Tennessee, you know, give these boys a fight, you know what I'm saying? Because that's going to help our cause. If they go down there and struggle and Nebraska goes out there and slaps them boys, it's like, oh, God damn.
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Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
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Dave Portnoy
What's it like? Because you guys had, you guys play more like top 10 teams that you're like, oh, I'll say the big 10, like back in the 90s, like, you guys had more of those teams in the top 10. But like, as a player, are you kind of hoping you get dealt, like, I don't remember how it worked with the bowl game selection back then, but are you hoping you get like the higher matchup or did you already kind of know you were going to play the Pac12 champion?
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Charles Woodson
It was Pac12 championship. So I think we were a year before the bcs. So if it was a year later, we would have had a chance to play.
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Dave Portnoy
It would have been. It would have been Nebraska.
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Charles Woodson
We'd have had a chance to play Nebraska. But we just, I know, one year too early, man. So, yeah, we went out and played the winner of the Pac 12 and they played, you know, Nebraska. So that's just the way it. That's the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Taylor Lewan
When you're, when you're doing all the Big Noon stuff and it's your, essentially your job, your obligation to be as unbiased as possible, but all this stuff is like going down.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah.
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Taylor Lewan
How do you catch yourself in Happy Valley thinking, all right, Harbaugh's not on there, but you're on the sideline. I think there's a clip of you and it might have been Desmond Howard as well, like, getting hyped up. Like, are you, like, trying your best?
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Charles Woodson
No.
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Taylor Lewan
Not to get excited.
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Charles Woodson
No. Like our producers and, you know, everyone who brought me in, you know, at Fox, they know that when it comes to Michigan, it is what it is. Like, when I'm on the set, I'm rooting for Michigan. If I'm on the sideline, I'm rooting for Michigan. I'm going to be biased as biased can get. So there's no secret. But when it comes. Yeah, but when it comes, when it comes down to, like, really talking about the game, like, keys to the game, how Michigan is going to win, Ohio State is going to win, I. I'll give the real. But as it, you know, in terms of where my loyalties lie, it ain't no secret.
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Dave Portnoy
You enjoy covering college more than the NFL? Cause I know you was doing NFL before you signed on with. With Fox.
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Charles Woodson
Nah, NFL is where it's at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love the NFL, man. And college is too many damn teams.
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Dave Portnoy
In college, there are a lot of teams. I feel like you, like, I enjoy the school spirit of college because you just know you're pulling for your team no matter what versus the NFL, like, playing on a few different teams. It's like, it's more of like a player driven. Like, I'm kind of rooting for guys and yeah, I'd like to see the Raiders, the Titans, Washington do well. But like, that, the connection with your, with your school spirit in college.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, it ain't nothing like it. It's nothing like it. And, you know, I get asked that question, like, you know, you know, why you. Why do you feel the way you feel about Michigan? You know, why you love them so much? And I, I answered this question not too long ago, and I think it's like, for me, it was the first place I was trying to get to, you know what I'm saying? Being a. Being a high school athlete and, you know, you're getting all of these letters and, you know, you're working towards, you know, trying to do something bigger than playing in high school. Like, Michigan was like, I'm trying to get there. You know what I mean? And it was a dream come true to, you know, sign there and go to Michigan. And so, you know, that love of, you know, you know, trying to get to a destination and reaching it, you know, was a big deal. So you know, that's why it runs deep.
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Dave Portnoy
Yeah. You had a really good interview on the pivot. And I'm trying to recall. Can you tell the story about there was a game where coach held you out and you're like, I'm not going to go in and say sorry. And then your mom's like. Your mom's like, hey, if you're not going to apologize yourself, do it for me.
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Charles Woodson
Can.
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Dave Portnoy
Can you retell that story?
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, it was. It was. It was just crazy because my, you know, we had played. I think, who do we play? I forget who. The game we played before Ohio State. But anyway, I had my. My back locked up for whatever reason, and. And I talked to the trainer. I'm like, hey, man, my back is locked up. I don't know why. I can barely move. He's like, oh, don't worry about it. You don't have to practice today. And so I was like, great. But when I walk out to practice, I don't have any Michigan issue stuff on. I just got my school stuff on. And Coach Carr's like, what are you doing? I'm like, what? He's like, where's your uniform? I'm like, oh, man. I talked to Smitty. Smitty said I didn't have to practice today. He was like, I don't get in there and put something on then. So I go in, I put some other stuff on, but I keep my white shoes on that I wore to school. What do you got on your feet? I'm like, what, man? Get in there and put yourself.
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Dave Portnoy
Did you know what you was doing when you went back in? Like, are you feeling like coach is trying me a little bit?
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Charles Woodson
A little bit? Yeah, a little bit. But then this was 96.
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Taylor Lewan
96.
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Charles Woodson
So a week before Ohio State game, and so I came back out, and then I'm on the sideline and talking with some of the fellas, and coach, he singles me. Hey, Charles, come here. Go over there to the offense. Hey, you need to pay attention. I'm like, coach, I'm paying attention. Like, what's going on, man? Well, if you're going to be on the sideline, you're not practicing. You need to pay attention. I'm like, all right. So I walk on the sideline, a few periods go by. He calls me back over there, Woodson, get over here. I'm like, damn, what is going on today, man? Go over there. Hey, if you're not going to pay attention, you can just leave. And I was like, all right, I'm out. So I left. I went back to. I went back to the dorm and little time pass, day or two. I don't know. I can't remember the timeline of that, But I get called down by my position coach, Vance Bedford. He's like, hey, listen, coach wants to talk to you. When you go down there, just go ahead and apologize. And then he's gonna let you play this week. And I was like, coach, nah, I'm not apologizing. He's like, listen to me. Just apologize. So I go down there, me and coach talk a little while. And he's like, ah, you know, do you think you justified yourself by walking out of practice? I was like, yeah, man. Cause I don't feel like you gotta make an example out of me in this whole thing. He was like, all right, well, you ain't playing this week. I was like, all right. I got up and walked out, went down there, back to coach Bedford's room, and he was like, all right. What'd he say? I said, I'm not playing this week. He said, boy, I told you, don't go down there and say nothing but just apologize. Hold on a minute. He gets on the phone, my mom answers. Ms. Woodson, I told this boy, don't go down there and say nothing.
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Taylor Lewan
He called your mom?
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Charles Woodson
Yeah. Don't do it. He called my mom, man.
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Charles Woodson
Cmnobile.com My mom gets on the phone, what's going on? I'm like, I'm not playing this week. She's like, why? I was like, man, you know, me and coach got into it and this or that, and coach wants me to apologize. I ain't apologizing. She was like, okay, well, well, well, just do this. If you're not going to apologize for yourself, apologize for me. And I was like, are you kidding me? She broke me. So you went in and did it. So I, I, man, I had to bend. You talking about bend the knee? I had to bend the knee, man. Mom's. Mom's. And so I went down there and I was like, coach, man, you know, it's my bad, man, you know, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have walked out of practice. And that's all he wanted. He was like, all right, you're playing this week.
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Dave Portnoy
So Charles leaves you walking in the.
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Taylor Lewan
Hall to the office and kind of hitting the door.
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Charles Woodson
You should have saw how slow I walked down there to his office, too, I bet. Dude, I was. I was fuming.
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Taylor Lewan
Yo, you brought up Schmitty, who is a Michigan. Like, yeah, the head trainer for the longest time. He's the guy that, like, you get an X ray. He'd be like, schmidt, what'd the X ray say? X rays don't talk, friend. Yeah, keep walking.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, Smart, smart Alex Smart Schmitty.
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Taylor Lewan
And then Big John.
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Charles Woodson
Big John.
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Taylor Lewan
Do you have any Big John stories? Because I'll preface one real quick. So obviously I was in the dark ages of Michigan with Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hogan. No disrespect to them, it was just that time that the alum would come by and be like, hey, y' all suck. And that's just what it is.
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Dave Portnoy
It's tough always having the guys in the 90s. Like, we had that too. Where guys, you guys aren't.
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Taylor Lewan
Well, we had. When we were at the Ohio State game this year, some guys came up and we were talking like, hey, what years were you there again? I was like, oh, 9 or 13. Like, oh, yeah, that's, that's a tough time. But when Rich Rodriguez, I'll bring that. When Richard, he just first got the job. There's a story that Big John would go and at like five in the morning and get on the elliptical in the weight room, but naked, nothing. And he was like a sloppy body cat. Yeah.
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Dave Portnoy
And he was just butt naked on.
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Taylor Lewan
The elliptical, sweat and dripping everywhere, all over the place. And he was just in like the most fun way, like crude, like over the top, like kind of just a horny old guy. But he was like. That being said.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, I don't, I don't. Yeah, I don't, I don't have the stories. Like some of my teammates have more in depth stories of Johnny, but Johnny was, Big John was kind of like, like family guy, you know what I'm saying? Like just inappropriately funny guy, you know what I'm saying?
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Dave Portnoy
Like you'd be like, you always got one.
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Taylor Lewan
Everybody watching the most innocent, fun way possible soil. Like Johnny, what?
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Charles Woodson
Johnny, he did, he said what?
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Taylor Lewan
He did what?
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Dave Portnoy
Right.
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Charles Woodson
You know, so yeah, he, he was, he was that guy, man. But he was a great guy. But yeah, it was a lot, a lot of stories, a lot of stories on Big John. A lot of stories. I can't, I can't tell. Yeah.
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Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
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Dave Portnoy
What, dude, what was it like? I know you've probably been asked this so much, but what was it like winning the Heisman over Peyton Manning? I mean, and two, it's like, it's Peyton Manning, you know, quarterbacks, who.
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Charles Woodson
It was.
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Dave Portnoy
It was also Ryan Lee, Randy Moss. Randy Moss, but the quarterback Peyton Manning, he's got the, the complexion for the protection and you end up, you end up winning the Heisman, like being a two way player. What was that like when you won that?
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, it was. What's crazy is that we got three, three first ballot hall of famers on there, me, Peyton and Randy. And then at the time, you know. Yeah, you got Ryan Leaf there who Everybody thought, man, he's going to be the guy. You know what I'm saying?
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Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
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Charles Woodson
With him and Peyton coming out, a lot of people had Ryan Leaf ahead of him. But the thing about it is that, you know, I thought throughout the season, I thought I played myself into a position where people recognize who I was as a player, and I thought I was the best player, but I didn't think I was going to win the Heisman. Like, there was no way, you know, I was going to win the Heisman over Peyton, man. It just wasn't. It wasn't going to happen, you know, the whole season coming in. I think he had came back for his senior year right here. So, you know, that was. That was really all of the talk.
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Dave Portnoy
You know, unfinished business, paid, man.
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Charles Woodson
He came back for his, you know, his senior year, like, wow, what he's doing for the university, he's coming back for his guys, and he's coming back to win the Heisman Trophy. Like, that was a foregone conclusion. And so, you know, season carried on. And what was great is watching the 30 for 30 that he just had, that came out and. Because a lot of stuff you don't. You don't remember, but they had that. That little ranking each week of who was ahead. Like, you had Peyton. And then it was. It was a running back. I saw maybe it was Tavian Banks or something. Tavian Banks. And then, like, I was down here on the bottom, and then I might move up, and then Peyton may move down and this guy may move up. So it was really interesting how it kind of played out throughout the year. And then when Michigan State happened in the one hand, catch happened, then I kind of stayed steady in a certain place, and. And then Penn State happened, playing both ways. Caught a touchdown pass. That game I'm playing against Jury Vicious. And I remember they asked me before that game, you know, did I think before or after, did I think I was the best player in the country? I was like, yeah, I'm the best player in the country. But still not thinking they're gonna, you know, I'm not winning or, like, put.
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Dave Portnoy
You over, like a paint.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, not gonna happen.
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Dave Portnoy
Such a. Like a focus position, driving numbers, like.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah, it's a numbers game. Yeah, it's a numbers game, you know, and so. And then Ohio State happens, and then here comes, you know, the ceremony, and it's like, I'm. I'm there in New York to have a good time hanging out with Randy, hanging out with all the guys, and just this is. This Is a cool experience. And then, you know, Rudy. Rudy Risk, I believe it was, opens an envelope and he's like, from Michigan. Oh, man. It was like my whole body just went limp. And if you watch it, you see Randy on the side. He's like, get up. So he nudged me. I'm like, damn, that's. I just wouldn't.
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Dave Portnoy
What was the highest you got on the list, like, throughout the year to where maybe you had an inkling, like, maybe there's a dark.
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Charles Woodson
No, I think. I think I got up. I think I got up to one, I believe. And. But it kind of. It just rotated. So it was one and two.
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Dave Portnoy
Right.
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Charles Woodson
Maybe three, then two, then one. So it was, it was kind of cool, you know, to, to see some of the footage because, like, I said a lot of that stuff, man. It's a long time ago for me, but a lot of stuff. You don't, you don't remember interviews that you did, you know, certain things other people said. So yeah, man, it was cool to relive that.
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Taylor Lewan
How people don't talk about this, but, like, you win the Heisman, obviously, such a surreal moment. Your blood's pumping. Like, how stressful and nervous were you giving the speech, accepting your Heisman Trophy?
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Charles Woodson
Dude, I didn't have. Yeah, I didn't have. I had nothing. Yeah, I had nothing.
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Taylor Lewan
Thank you, family.
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Charles Woodson
Yeah.
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Dave Portnoy
Like, yo, this is like, probably, probably without the footage. He probably doesn't even remember.
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Charles Woodson
Like, well, I remember, you know, getting up and of course, you know, thanking my mom and then. And then I. I know I probably did. I made some reference to somebody else who I thought should have won it but didn't win it. And then finally they got it right or something. Something crazy like that. But I didn't, I didn't have a speech. So I was like, like I said, I'm here to just enjoy this moment.
- [23:14]
Taylor Lewan
And I get up, write nothing down. No, it is kind of. It's kind of a bad look. Not a bad look, but when they pull up the crinkle piece of paper.
- [23:21]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like to do that. Just as a general rule. I don't like to read from anything. If I, If I'm talking, I just like to talk. But yeah, I went there, man. Just nothing, man. Do you.
- [23:37]
Taylor Lewan
When you think about like the college football landscape now, all the nil stuff, how would you had to be going crazy? You would have been. I mean, you've been a seven figure cat.
- [23:46]
Charles Woodson
I got. I got one hand. I got one year left.
- [23:51]
Taylor Lewan
You trying to get out? I got one year left, but I'd make seven figures.
- [23:57]
Charles Woodson
I'm just saying plays.
- [23:58]
Dave Portnoy
How many plays you think you give to a college game in college? Right, Right now, if you played college.
- [24:04]
Charles Woodson
I'll run that right now.
- [24:05]
Dave Portnoy
You think so? You don't think you'd be blowing a hammy out there?
- [24:08]
Taylor Lewan
Hey, listen, I don't know if anybody told you, you got a little salt in that beer.
- [24:12]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, yeah, a little bit. A little bit. A little bit.
- [24:14]
Taylor Lewan
I believe in Charles.
- [24:15]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. I still run around a little bit. I still get after. Yeah, I give him some work out there. Straight up in college.
- [24:23]
Taylor Lewan
You playing corner?
- [24:24]
Charles Woodson
Oh, yeah. I could play anything. Anything.
- [24:27]
Dave Portnoy
He'd be like Travis Hunter, C.O.
- [24:31]
Charles Woodson
I'D be like him. Yeah, he, he truly plays both ways.
- [24:34]
Dave Portnoy
I think that is like 130 plus.
- [24:37]
Charles Woodson
Plays a game like crazy. I, I tell people, like I, I like dibbled and dabbled on offense. I didn't play a whole lot of offense. It just seems like it. He plays offense and defense, like literally, like. That's great. Yeah, that's cool.
- [24:50]
Taylor Lewan
When you like, don't come off the field, right?
- [24:51]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [24:52]
Charles Woodson
That's crazy.
- [24:52]
Dave Portnoy
Where do you think he's better suited on offense or defense?
- [24:56]
Charles Woodson
Oh, man. I think receiver. I think he's nasty at receiver. Yeah. I mean, he's a good corner, don't get me wrong. But I see his offensive skills, man. I think his offensive skills dominate over his defensive skills.
- [25:09]
Dave Portnoy
What's interesting too is like your story back when you were with your mom and coach and not playing situations like that. I feel like these days if you're upset, you could just bounce, eat quick.
- [25:21]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, yeah. And not have any, any repercussions. Like it used to be where if you went to another D1 school, you had to sit out a whole year. And so now it's like, what?
- [25:30]
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- [27:02]
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- [27:40]
Charles Woodson
I won't be here tomorrow. You can just leave. Yeah.
- [27:43]
Taylor Lewan
Do you think, like, when you're a freshman admission, that, like, was there any type of time, if there was an opportunity to go on the transfer portal, that you might.
- [27:51]
Charles Woodson
Well, that, that time we talked about with Coach Carr. So when I went back to my dorm room, it, it's funny because we had a couple of guys who visited the University of Miami.
- [27:59]
Taylor Lewan
Were you in West Quad?
- [28:00]
Charles Woodson
I was in. I was in West Quad, yep. And, and so after practice, a couple of guys, my, my, my, my boys, man. What happened? I was like, man, I don't know, man. Coach tripping, man. I said, man, I'm. I'm out of here, man. It was like, what? I said, man, this, man, I'm going to Miami, man. I'm transferring out here. I don't want to be here, man.
- [28:19]
Dave Portnoy
We going, too.
- [28:19]
Charles Woodson
We. We, man. Let's do it A serious. So we had like a little mutiny going on for like 24 hours. Yeah.
- [28:26]
Dave Portnoy
A little crew that was over here.
- [28:27]
Charles Woodson
You know What I'm saying.
- [28:30]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
- [28:31]
Charles Woodson
I'm like, man, I'm leaving. But. But I think that's probably how it happens, you know, with a lot of guys. You know, you have a altercation with a coach, you go back to the room and there's nobody to talk you down from that ledge, and you're like, I'm out. I don't got to deal with this. And nowadays, it's easier than ever to say, I don't want to deal with it.
- [28:49]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [28:49]
Taylor Lewan
It makes it so much more difficult to keep accountability in a locker room that's so important in football.
- [28:53]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. To keep dudes accountable. And that's what's hard with Michigan. Did with. And the reason why I feel like they won and were so dominant is because they really had grown men out there. You know what I'm saying? We got a bunch of juniors, seniors, guys who came back. And so if you look at what, you know, Ohio State is doing right now, they're trying to, you know, buy all these players, trying to get all this quick fix. It's hard to build it that way. You know what I'm saying? If you're trying to do that every year, like, you gotta have kind of a nucleus of guys that are coming back and you can build a program with. So it's gonna get harder and harder for coaches to kind of maintain that, because there used to be truly, like, a loyalty to school. Now it's just a loyalty to you and what you can get, you know, trying to get the most out of it for yourself. So it's gonna be hard for coaches.
- [29:45]
Taylor Lewan
Because that's such an interesting thing, is like, having loyalty to yourself and your school, even when you play. When we play, like, that was still there. Like you still wanted to benefit yourself playing well and the team do well, as you know, at the same time. But now it's like, it's Wild West.
- [29:59]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [30:00]
Taylor Lewan
And with Ohio State, the way they're setting up this year, they're spending so much money in nil, bringing these guys in there. If they don't, essentially, if they don't win the national championship.
- [30:09]
Charles Woodson
Right.
- [30:09]
Taylor Lewan
It's. It's.
- [30:10]
Charles Woodson
Right. Yeah.
- [30:11]
Taylor Lewan
Like, it's over.
- [30:11]
Charles Woodson
So that's. That's the press. That's definitely the type of pressure that you put on yourself. If you say, all right, I got the best guy up from here. The best guy from here. Best guy from here. And then you get them all together and it doesn't work. It's like, you know, people start looking at you real crazy.
- [30:26]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [30:27]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [30:27]
Taylor Lewan
And you see, like, go ahead.
- [30:29]
Dave Portnoy
I was just gonna. No, if you got more in college, I was gonna start to dabble in the NFL world.
- [30:33]
Taylor Lewan
But I got a couple more things on college just this year. Sean Moore, obviously, like, I'm a massive Sharon Moore fan. I think he deserved that job. They made the right smash. Yeah, he is. He's the dude for, for the university, but he lost a lot of players. Like 18 dudes are probably gonna get.
- [30:47]
Dave Portnoy
Drafted in coaching staff.
- [30:48]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah. Lost the D.C. he lost the strength coach, which I think is like the most devastating loss. Like Herbal, we had the opportunity to go there and meet him. He was kind of going.
- [30:56]
Charles Woodson
Strength and conditioning.
- [30:57]
Taylor Lewan
Yes.
- [30:57]
Charles Woodson
Oh, man, that's my guy, man. Yeah.
- [31:01]
Taylor Lewan
Hips, knees, everything. The grading scale they put everybody on. Like, you walk away from that being like, damn, I wish.
- [31:07]
Charles Woodson
No, he was next. Yeah.
- [31:08]
Taylor Lewan
When I was playing because it was like a guy like, this is a dude you have for all of college. And then in the off season you're back in Ann Arbor like trying to get whatever you can.
- [31:16]
Charles Woodson
I took my son up to a little two day camp they had up there and he just had a, you know, certain easy way that he does pull ups. I went back home and I was doing them that way. You know what I'm saying? That's the kind of guy he was, man.
- [31:26]
Taylor Lewan
So a couple little tricks.
- [31:27]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [31:28]
Taylor Lewan
What's like, like, like most reasonable expectation for the University of Michigan in 2024 season?
- [31:36]
Charles Woodson
I think it's gonna be tough. You know, looking at the schedule I was looking at the other day, we got Texas coming in, second game, Washington, usc. Right.
- [31:45]
Taylor Lewan
So Ohio State. I think we got Oregon too.
- [31:50]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. And, and you know, you just look at it, Texas, they have their guy, their quarterbacks coming back. You know what I mean? So they have, you know what we have is a lot of guys leaving. Our quarterback leaves. Then you got a Texas team that just was in the playoffs as well. They're still building on that and still have a lot of things in place. And then they got their quarterback coming back. So I think it'll, it'll be, it'll be tough sledding for him just because he's rebuilding it. Like you said, there's nothing. I don't think anything hurts him more than losing staff, losing guys that were in there in place, you know, losing being strength and conditioning coach. You lose your defensive coordinator, you know, he's gone. A few other guys have. Have left as well. I think Jim's. Is it Jim's son that's on The. On the staff that he just left. Jim Harbaugh. I don't know.
- [32:40]
Dave Portnoy
I'm not even sure you would assume. He's taking a couple offensive guys.
- [32:43]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, so a lot of guys left, man. So I don't know. It'd be. It'll be interesting, but it's gonna be. It's gonna be a tough sled to.
- [32:50]
Taylor Lewan
Slip the Ann Arbor. Best place to go eat, college kid. I got the place in my head right now, but I don't want to.
- [32:56]
Charles Woodson
Well, I mean, with Nil.
- [32:58]
Taylor Lewan
No, no, no, no, no, no. We're talking those little chips, those little coupons that are like.
- [33:04]
Charles Woodson
Well, for me. For me, it was Cottage Inn.
- [33:06]
Taylor Lewan
Cottage did hit.
- [33:08]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [33:09]
Dave Portnoy
I don't think. I don't think we.
- [33:10]
Taylor Lewan
It's a little pizza spot. And did you guys eat the little pizza pieces of paper, the chits?
- [33:14]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, like 15 bucks on ours.
- [33:15]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah. See, ours was. You got like, two medium pizzas and like a soda or something like that. You go smack one of those things. Barbecue chicken. It was nice.
- [33:22]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [33:23]
Taylor Lewan
We are. This podcast is Mr. Spots.
- [33:26]
Charles Woodson
Mr. Spots. Yeah, like Mr. Spots. But me. But me, I was it. I was. It was pizza for me, man.
- [33:31]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
- [33:32]
Charles Woodson
And Cottage in, they had. They had the. They had the best pizza. And I always felt like Cottage in was out of all the places that we could get. So, you know, he had Mr. Spice, you had Cottage Inn. And we only had, like, four different places. You can go from, like, that one to me was like, the most. Like, I felt like I was really doing something if I went in the college, Cottage Inn and got something. You know what I'm saying? Restaurant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like. Yeah. You know, I felt like I was doing something. You know what I mean? So Cottage Inn was that deal last.
- [34:01]
Taylor Lewan
Last college was when we go to the NFL, top five players, University of Michigan history. But not like, obviously, like, the argument here would be Tom Brady. Like, would Tom Brady be a top five Michigan football player, not a Michigan.
- [34:15]
Charles Woodson
Right, right, right.
- [34:19]
Taylor Lewan
So you don't have to do it yourself.
- [34:20]
Charles Woodson
I don't got to put myself in there.
- [34:21]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
- [34:22]
Charles Woodson
What. What. What can I put myself in? Can I put myself in offense and defense and I can be in there?
- [34:27]
Dave Portnoy
You can do that.
- [34:27]
Taylor Lewan
You take two of them. That's. You want. I like that.
- [34:32]
Charles Woodson
Oh, man, that sounds pretty tough. I'm gonna say. Desmond. I'd have to go. Anthony car. That's tough. Let's get my man Hutch in there. Steve Hutchinson.
- [35:10]
Taylor Lewan
Test sneaky with one. Maybe Jake Long.
- [35:16]
Charles Woodson
Okay, so I got two Receivers in right now. Because I've already poked at mode and I got two. So that would be two offensive tackles or. No.
- [35:25]
Taylor Lewan
But also Blake Corum. Yeah.
- [35:27]
Charles Woodson
Cause you got some recent guys in there. Let's put Blake in there. Let's put Blake in there for what he did these last couple of seasons. And he's rocking the deuce out there too. Let's do that. So that's five, right?
- [35:43]
Taylor Lewan
That's five.
- [35:43]
Charles Woodson
That's five.
- [35:44]
Taylor Lewan
Okay, that was a tough question.
- [35:46]
Dave Portnoy
Help me out. Was Blake's stats overall better than Hart?
- [35:51]
Taylor Lewan
Oh, yes.
- [35:52]
Charles Woodson
Okay. I just remember, I think touchdown wise, for sure. I think because he got a bunch.
- [35:57]
Taylor Lewan
Of touchdowns downs by any Michigan player.
- [35:59]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, yeah.
- [36:00]
Taylor Lewan
And he, like. I think he blew it out. I don't think he blew it out. I think he beat about one or two. Yeah, but did it with only like three years starting as opposed to. Was it Anthony.
- [36:10]
Charles Woodson
Thomas?
- [36:11]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah, he was at like 55, four year starter and he got like 57 or 56. My cart had 5,000 career rushing yards.
- [36:19]
Charles Woodson
My guard did was real.
- [36:21]
Taylor Lewan
Bernard had four, four, four.
- [36:24]
Charles Woodson
What the cor, what the corn have?
- [36:29]
Dave Portnoy
Key 12-7-3737.
- [36:32]
Charles Woodson
All right. Yeah, but the thing is, even even though you have the. All the yards and stuff, it's still about impact too.
- [36:39]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [36:39]
Charles Woodson
Like, his impact on the team is. Is one of those things that, you know, it might not be top five in Russian or whatever, but his impact on coming back. You know what I'm saying? And then his impact just. Just his presence on the field, man. So like my man Burke. Yeah, yeah.
- [36:56]
Dave Portnoy
I don't even. I mean, you had such an incredible NFL career as well. It's kind of like hard to focus on something or start somewhere. But I am curious. Like, you're one of the greatest Raiders of all time, and then you had that stint in Green Bay where you played a lot of good ball, and then you come back to Oakland, like when you were in hit free agency, like you were somebod were Fran. You was. You were franchise tagged, right?
- [37:16]
Charles Woodson
Yep.
- [37:17]
Dave Portnoy
So, like, was there when you left Oakland the first time, was there like bitterness with the organization when going to Green Bay? Like, because you obviously came back around to Oakland, but being such a great player for them, when they kind of like let you go elsewhere, was there like any resentment? Was there any bitterness of the business, per se?
- [37:37]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, kind of. Because I. I never thought that I would leave Oakland. And the bitterness was more so with.
- [37:46]
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- [38:47]
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- [39:20]
Ed Helms
Hey everyone.
- [39:21]
Charles Woodson
Ed Helms here and hi, I'm Kal.
- [39:23]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [39:30]
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- [39:50]
Kal Penn
You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.
- [39:56]
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- [40:16]
Charles Woodson
You know, like the GM at the time. So not necessarily just Raiders, it was just the gm, you know, and I think at that time, you know, you know, they, you know, told my agents or some something that there was, you know, no value to bringing me back to the Raiders. And that was coming from. From that side. And so it was like. You know what I'm saying? What are you talking about? So, yeah, it was. It was a little bitterness in that regard, but I was also. Like I said, I didn't think I would leave there, but then it was. I've got franchise tags, so I was free, so I could go anywhere. So I thought that, you know, I was gonna have my. My picketer litter, you know, anywhere I wanted to go, you know, I was gonna be able to go. And it. Man, it was. It was dry as the Sahara out there. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it was. It was kind of crazy. And so, you know, I went in thinking one thing, and then my experience wasn't all that great, you know. And so through the process, Green Bay began to call my agents and. And, you know, wanted to bring me in. And, you know, I was reluctant. I was like, nah, you know, I'm not going to Green Bay, so there's no. Really. No. Really no reason for me to visit there. And so called again. And when everything was really, like, quiet from. From everyone else, you know, I had my agent reaching out to other people, and nobody was biting. So I was like, all right, well, let me go to Green Bay, because we got to at least try to draw some interest from. I'll go there. Maybe somebody else would be like, all right, well, some other people are checking for him. Man, it was. It was crazy, yo. But if Green Bay didn't want me, I don't. I really don't know where. Where I would have played in 2006.
- [41:59]
Dave Portnoy
Really?
- [42:00]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, really.
- [42:01]
Taylor Lewan
Why do you think it was so.
- [42:02]
Charles Woodson
Dry, like, at the free agency market, you know, just. There was a lot of. A lot of things out there. One, I had. I did come off an injury. I broke my leg 2005. So I missed the final 10 games of the season. And then people talked about my attitude and talked about, you know, just a lot of different. Different things. And so. And I think some of that came from the Raider side as well. Just, you know, putting some stuff out there, you know? Yeah, yeah, Right, right, right, right, right. Because Mike McCarthy asked. When I first met with Mike, because it was his first. I think it was his first year, was my first year. He asked me about it in our meeting. He was like, oh, what is this about you, you know, being a bad. Bad team guy, bad locker room guy? And I was like, what? Like, man, you can't talk to any players I play with that. Say, I'm a. I'm A bad locker room guy. So I don't know where that's coming from. So there were some things being, you know, put out there that muddied the water and so, yeah, it was just. It was. It was a little tough. Tough period, man, to kind of go through as a guy who I had done everything, you know.
- [43:07]
Dave Portnoy
Oh, yeah.
- [43:08]
Charles Woodson
So I'm like, damn. That's how they. That's how they really feel. Yeah.
- [43:12]
Dave Portnoy
Did you. Did you have any moments that you felt like they were defining you by that you might have had lower moments while being on the Raiders that allowed them to say, what's this about you being a bad team guy?
- [43:23]
Charles Woodson
Oh, yeah. I mean, I had some asshole in me. I ain't gonna say that.
- [43:27]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [43:27]
Charles Woodson
But. But in terms of, you know, player and, you know, guys in the locker room, nah, it wouldn't. It wouldn't have been from that. But, yeah, I mean, I had my. I have my. My issues with coaches at times. You know, I like to hang out, do my thing, you know what I'm saying? Outside of playing football. So, you know, maybe that could have had something to do with it. Who knows? But in terms of being able to play the game and, you know, just overall, you know, good dude.
- [44:02]
Dave Portnoy
I'm a good dude.
- [44:03]
Charles Woodson
You know what I'm saying?
- [44:03]
Dave Portnoy
Can you speak to, like, your development in the. The film room? Because obviously, like, you're a guy. You were. You were an All American coming out, Heisman Trophy winner, top five pick. Like, you have all the accolades, right? Like, it's like, oh, he's the most. He's just so talented. He's super talented. But I was fortunate enough to play with Will Blackman for a couple years, and when Will and I, we would. We'd have our sushi nights and stuff, but he would talk about, you know, as somebody who was always, like, last in the building, and he would learn a lot of his study habits from you. Do you feel like you had those throughout your entire career? You developed them as you got older? Because he always said the best things about you. I feel like something like that, like, being a student of the game kind of gets slept on when you're somebody who has all the accolades in the world.
- [44:45]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, I think it compounds over time because you do start out, you know, like, myself, I was a great athlete, so a lot of stuff's going to come easy, you know, so you don't necessarily have to spend as much time looking at certain things. But the one thing that I. I've always had as a player was I've had great play recall, you know what I mean? So when you're out there on the field and you see certain things, you start to pick up on tendencies like I always had that without necessarily having to look at film. And so then, you know, as your career goes on, you take different, different methods from different coaches, like Vance Bedford, like I remember, you know, just going back to a certain play. We played Northwestern my junior year and it was a third and long situation and me and him had went over what they like to do in that situation and they, they ran it out and I picked that out off. So different things you pick up from different coaches. Chuck Pagano was another guy who worked on me on third down as well. You know, being around him, I learned a lot on third down tendencies, you know, that being money down. Um, and so over time then you start developing your own style of how you like to see things. And so for me, like I said, I always had, you know, good play recall. What I would start to do in my study is I will start to watch the game from the opposing team's one yard line all the way to the one yard line, but in the same personnel. So I want to see you from the one to the one same person. I want to see it in all parts of the field because you'll run certain things from 1st to 5, 1st to 10, 10, 10 to 20, 20 to 40, 40 to 20, 20, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of it mirrors what you do from here to here, you know what I mean? So like you take a wheel, for example, you know, I would have my film broken up certain ways and then I would tell those guys, this is how I like to look at the film. And so we would, you know, when we'd have our times together in our film room, we would look at the film and then we start going over these things. Not when that. And when I would see something that would kind of, they may get to it a different way, but it's the same thing. I would, I would go back to it. All right, now watch this. Watch how this team lines up on his play and runs it. Now watch him motion to it and run it. But it's the same thing, you know, So I was always taught, it's not how you line up, it's how you wind up. So, so those are the things that I was able to, you know, pass along to those guys. And for me, it just over time, it was, I got gradually even better at it.
- [47:16]
Dave Portnoy
You know, you found like another Way to prepare and be like, okay, add it to your game. That fires me up as a defensive guy. That's, that's, that's football porn right there.
- [47:24]
Taylor Lewan
It seems like you had a good way of simplifying things.
- [47:27]
Charles Woodson
Exactly.
- [47:27]
Taylor Lewan
And stuff like that.
- [47:28]
Charles Woodson
Exactly.
- [47:28]
Taylor Lewan
This is the same thing, just a little extra dressing on it.
- [47:31]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [47:31]
Taylor Lewan
Like to go back to like the, you know, tough locker room guy or these. You being put into a box of a category of your character for Charles Woodson. How, when you're hearing these things from different coaches, from different GMs, like, how did you, Is that like motivation for you? Like, I'll prove you wrong and this is why or how do you handle those types of things when someone might be putting you in a corner and saying you're like this when you truly don't feel you're like that?
- [47:56]
Charles Woodson
Actually, I was kind of, I was hurt, man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that kind of hurt, you know, because I, I never, throughout my whole life had never been in a position where people doubted me. You know what I'm saying? Never. And so that was, that was a period where it was like there was, there was some doubt cast over me as a, as a football player.
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- [49:51]
Ed Helms
Hey, everyone. Ed Helms here.
- [49:53]
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- [50:01]
Ed Helms
This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?
- [50:21]
Kal Penn
You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.
- [50:27]
Ed Helms
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- [50:47]
Charles Woodson
You may not like me as a person or whatever that is, but, like, on the football field, like to have somebody say, man, he can't do that anymore. He's always hurt. He's injury prone. He's that. And that's like, damn. Like, that kind of broke me down a little bit. And so when I first got to Green Bay, you know, there was just a period in there where I was like, damn, I don't even want to play football no more. You know what I'm saying?
- [51:15]
Dave Portnoy
At Green Bay.
- [51:15]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. When I. When I first got there and I first signed, you know, I. I. I called a few people who are close to me, and I was like, yeah, I think I'm. I think I'm gonna hang it up. And. And it was my. My agent at the time, Kevin Poston, he. He said, hey, man, he said, you signed the contract, right? I was like, yeah, I signed the contract. He was like, well, that's like giving your word. And I was like, yeah. He was like, you at least. At least need to play one. At least play one year. You know what I'm saying? Because you've signed the contract. You gave me your word. At least need to play one year. And so I was like, yeah, you know what? That makes sense. That makes sense. So, you know, I. I got through that little period, and then, you know, things just kind of just started to take off and slow down in Green Bay, where I was like, all right, I'm back.
- [52:04]
Dave Portnoy
You guys had a good team, too. It looked fun. Like, everybody talked about your schematics defensively. Why am I forgetting his name? Coordinator.
- [52:12]
Charles Woodson
Well, that was later. You talking about Dom Capers. Okay, that was later on when I first got. There was another guy. But we. But in terms of having fun, we had. We had a great group, especially secondary wise. Al Harris.
- [52:24]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [52:25]
Charles Woodson
Nick Collins, Tremond Williams had just come in. Some young. Some other young guys. Atari, Big beat. So, like our secondary, you know, then young Will comes in. We had just some young good guys on that secondary, man. And it was great because, you know, when you talk about Will, I had some young guys that kind of looked up to me. And so, you know, kind of watching what I did. And you talk about the film study and all those sorts of things. So then it really became fun because then it was almost like a responsibility. How am I going to get the help these guys, you know, get to the next level?
- [53:02]
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- [53:02]
Charles Woodson
And it was really about going out there and showing them for the most part. But then just those little things, like, you know, finding your own way to watch the film. That makes it easier for you.
- [53:12]
Dave Portnoy
Right.
- [53:13]
Charles Woodson
And then you grow from there.
- [53:14]
Taylor Lewan
When did you find that transition of, like, when you first get in the league and you get in a locker room with a bunch of NFL players, you're like, oh, that's the so and so. Oh, that's this guy. And then eventually it's flips where people are coming in. They're a fan of you now. Yeah, yeah, now you're. Yeah, you're a hunk. You're the dude that people are like, yo, like, let me watch film with you. And like, where. Where do you think that switch turned for you and your NFL career was like, okay, I'm now the guy that's supposed to be leading. Not following, if following, for lack of a better word, because you're always going to do you. When you're young. It's just like you're looking up to these guys. Now guys are looking up to you.
- [53:45]
Charles Woodson
It was. It probably started around six years in, because that's when. Because so when I first came in, like, Tim Brown. Tim Brown was in the locker room. You know what I'm saying?
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- [53:57]
Charles Woodson
Napoleon Kaufman, who I watched in college and then he was with the Raiders. Who else do we have, man? Dude, I just saw him, too. I'll think of it a minute, but in a minute. But Russell, M.D. pat Swilling, it was crazy. You know what I'm saying? Cause when you're young, you don't think you'll catch those guys because it seems like it's far away. And then Jerry Rice came in, like, holy shit. These dudes are in the same locker room. And so then around six years in, then those guys are gone. Tim's gone, Jerry's. He's gone now. So now those, those older guys are kind of peeling off. And so now you're starting to be one of the older guys. And so then it kind of becomes, oh, man. You know, I used to watch you then as you get older, you get to Green Bay. Oh, man. Yeah, I just watch you. And then all of a sudden your grandpa, he's like, damn, how did this happen?
- [55:04]
Taylor Lewan
A rookie comes in there like, like, yo, I used to watch you in high school.
- [55:08]
Charles Woodson
Like, damn. Yeah, high school. Right, right.
- [55:10]
Taylor Lewan
I really have been in the league for a while. Maybe I kind of am him.
- [55:13]
Charles Woodson
No doubt.
- [55:13]
Dave Portnoy
Who are some of the best leaders you've been around? And maybe they weren't the biggest names either, but who are some of the best leaders that you've been around?
- [55:24]
Charles Woodson
Like, Tim Brown was a great leader. I thought that one of my favorite guys who was, who was with the Raiders when I first got there was Eric Turner, you know, who. Who passed away. Maybe like my. Maybe like second, second or third year in the NFL. Eric Allen, you know, tremendous guys. Like, I. I feel like when I came in, we had. We had like, real, real veterans of the game, you know what I'm saying? You know, guys who, you know, had been through a lot and just, you know, they respected the game, you know what I mean? They had respect for the people who came before them. Like, I played with those kind of guys, man. And so I would say those are the guys who come off at the top. Off the top of my mind, when I first got in, you had two boys, right? I got two boys, yeah, two boys.
- [56:20]
Taylor Lewan
How has it been with them starting to play sports and you kind of like, hey, the expectation is not to win a Heisman and be defensive player of the year, first round pick. Like, how do you temper those expectations when your kids are looking up to you as a father, being like, I want to be like you and succeed you, essentially.
- [56:38]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. It's funny because I have the conversation with him, and it's funny because there's two different responses. So, you know, I could tell my, my oldest, you know, hey, man, you know, look, you got all the talent in the world, you know, you'll be compared. We got the same name, you know, but you can't worry about that. You know, you just got to go do your thing. Whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. He's like, okay. Yeah, dad. Appreciate it. I tell my youngest son, hey, man, you know, you don't gotta. You don't gotta be this or that. That. I'm gonna be in a hall of fame with you. So.
- [57:10]
Taylor Lewan
How do you feel when he says that?
- [57:12]
Charles Woodson
I'm, like, cool. You know what I'm saying? You gotta speak it first. You know what I mean?
- [57:16]
Taylor Lewan
So are you, like, hey, you guys have to go to Michigan?
- [57:21]
Charles Woodson
Kind of unofficially?
- [57:22]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [57:23]
Charles Woodson
If they're.
- [57:24]
Dave Portnoy
If they're highly recruited, man. Are you gonna.
- [57:26]
Charles Woodson
Oh, dude. Well, I. I. You know, I do. I do. Tell those guys, man. Listen, I want you to be able to make your own decision wherever you, you know, when it comes to that point, but there's just one place you. You can't go. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Come on, man.
- [57:43]
Dave Portnoy
Okay, go.
- [57:43]
Taylor Lewan
Okay. Hypothetical. For whatever reason your kids are playing, they're playing ball, they're getting offers, but they're, like, small D1 offers. You're getting some Max. You're getting some. Some App state type of D1s. But there was one big team that comes in and happens to be Ohio State.
- [58:01]
Charles Woodson
Here's my question, though. Why would you ask that question?
- [58:05]
Taylor Lewan
I'm a disruptor.
- [58:09]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [58:10]
Dave Portnoy
Ohio State's worth taking a shot.
- [58:12]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. Okay. Full ride.
- [58:14]
Taylor Lewan
Oh, yeah. What are we talking about?
- [58:15]
Dave Portnoy
You know, it's all full, right?
- [58:16]
Ryan Seacrest
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- [58:17]
Charles Woodson
Hey, Nil.
- [58:18]
Taylor Lewan
Oh, yeah.
- [58:23]
Charles Woodson
Hey, Nil. Full ride. Nobody else is calling. I might have to think about it.
- [58:27]
Dave Portnoy
That would be so tough.
- [58:28]
Taylor Lewan
Games. You're gonna walk in that stadium, you.
- [58:30]
Dave Portnoy
Know, so tough for him, bro. Wearing red against Michigan.
- [58:35]
Taylor Lewan
He's like, hell, yeah.
- [58:36]
Charles Woodson
Hey, I'm gonna watch from the blimp.
- [58:37]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah, you have to watch from home.
- [58:42]
Dave Portnoy
That's funny. That's a good question.
- [58:44]
Taylor Lewan
That'd be a hard.
- [58:45]
Charles Woodson
That be. Yeah, that'd be tough.
- [58:46]
Dave Portnoy
Were you in Green Bay with Far Van Rogers?
- [58:49]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, I first got there. Far was there.
- [58:51]
Dave Portnoy
What was that drama like? You know, everybody got to see. You know, Far retires, he comes back. You know, they'd never, you know, they wouldn't see eye to eye. There's obviously been a lot of public conversation and. And, like, transparency or subjective opinion around it. Like, what was it like? Or be like being kind of, like, in that drama or around it?
- [59:09]
Charles Woodson
Well, yeah, I think for. I think the guys on the defensive side, we didn't really pay attention to it because it's more, you know, he's in the, you know, Brett and and a rod. They're in the meetings together all the time. They're always on the offensive side. So we really don't, we really didn't get into that portion.
- [59:26]
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- [61:00]
Ed Helms
Hey everyone, Ed Helms here.
- [61:02]
Ryan Seacrest
And hi, I'm Kal Penn and we're the hosts of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.
- [61:10]
Ed Helms
This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?
- [61:30]
Kal Penn
You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.
- [61:36]
Ed Helms
Okay, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. But are you sure I'm not the dad? I'm not Mr. Bennett.
- [61:43]
Dave Portnoy
Here.
- [61:45]
Ed Helms
Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [61:57]
Charles Woodson
The most interaction like, for myself, with a rod is a rod was on the practice squad, and so he would always go against our defense. So that was really all I really paid attention to, was that part of it. Now I. I remember that, you know, there was talks of, you know, Brett saying he doesn't really need to help, you know, the. The guy that they just drafted basically, to. To replace him. Right. But I never really laid eyes on, like, visible tension between them because I wasn't paying attention to it. Right. You know what I mean? So, yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't anything that I really could comment on because I was. I wasn't in the middle of. I didn't care. Yeah. Yeah. To be honest. Yeah. Yeah.
- [62:42]
Dave Portnoy
No, that's. That's fair.
- [62:43]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. I mean, I'm trying to. I'm trying to win a Super bowl, and.
- [62:46]
Dave Portnoy
And usually it's a coach. It's like, hey, we got a pretty good one over here in 12. And you're just thinking, like, yeah, he does a good job practice well, but we should be there picking this ball off right now.
- [62:54]
Charles Woodson
And we knew. And we knew it, man. We knew it right away, like, when. When Brett was kind of in or out, you know, coming back or not coming back, and we would play. We would play, you know, against a Rod in those practices, and it was like, oh, yeah, when Brett leaves, we're gonna. We're gonna be. Oh, yeah, we're gonna be Packers.
- [63:14]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [63:14]
Taylor Lewan
They've been pretty spoiled quarterback franchise.
- [63:16]
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- [63:17]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
- [63:19]
Charles Woodson
Found another one, it looks like.
- [63:20]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [63:21]
Taylor Lewan
As you transitioned out of football, like, how difficult was it for you to, like, did you feel completely fulfilled throughout your NFL career? Or was there a point when you first left where you're like. Like you're lacking fulfillment? The competitive nature that first fall, not playing ball, like, how did you handle that?
- [63:37]
Charles Woodson
No, well, two great things. One, I won a Super Bowl. So I. I think had I retired and. And not won a Super bowl, then I would always think about, man, what if? What if, woulda, coulda, shoulda, and that sort of thing.
- [63:50]
Taylor Lewan
Right now, that hurts sitting on this side of the couch.
- [63:52]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [63:53]
Dave Portnoy
AFC championship.
- [63:54]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Sorry. So. No, yeah, so I got that. And then when I retired, you know, I didn't. I really didn't know what. What I was going to do after I retired. But what happened was, you know, you get these. These. These articles that they. They write up about current players who are retiring, who may be good on television. And so after I retired, I went right into television, Right. I started work for espn. So I really didn't have time to really, like, be retired and. And be scared about that whole transition, because I. I really went right into something. So I would say I'm very fortunate that that happened, because I didn't have to sit around, like, looking back at, oh, man, I don't have anything to do. You know, football's gone, you know, So I was. I was blessed to have that happen. And then third, I would say, I played 18 years, and so, you know, crazy, man. You know what I'm saying?
- [64:56]
Taylor Lewan
That answer just turned my question into a dumbass.
- [64:57]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [64:58]
Dave Portnoy
Fulfillment.
- [64:59]
Charles Woodson
I played 18 years, and so I feel like the. The.
- [65:03]
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- [65:03]
Charles Woodson
The thing for me that I always think about is that I remember the morning where I knew I was done playing, and it was against Detroit. We're in Detroit. And remember looking out the window and it was snowing, and Detroit's in the dome, so it don't matter, but I remember looking out and saying, man, if they canceled the game today, I would be okay. And as soon as I said that to myself, I was like, it's over. And so that morning, that day, I mentally. I retired. So I always say that I actually had. That was, like, the 10th game of the season. I actually had six more games where I was able to play after I retired. So I fulfilled myself as a player, and then I got to come out of retirement and play again for six more games. So, dude, I. I. My. My journey has been. I wouldn't trade it.
- [65:58]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah.
- [65:58]
Charles Woodson
You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't trade it. So.
- [66:00]
Taylor Lewan
And when you were talking about, hey, I'm gonna rap. I'm gonna be done with my career. What year was that?
- [66:05]
Charles Woodson
2015.
- [66:06]
Taylor Lewan
2015.
- [66:07]
Charles Woodson
Yep.
- [66:07]
Taylor Lewan
So that's. I mean, imagine walk away from the game when you were with the Packers.
- [66:11]
Charles Woodson
Sign, right?
- [66:11]
Taylor Lewan
Contract.
- [66:11]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, I'm good. That would have been. Yeah. Eight years. I would have played eight years, and I wouldn't be on busting with the boys, bro. Yeah. Hey, hey. You guys will be on here. You'll be like, remember that one guy? He won the highest minute. Remember? What was his name? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, bro.
- [66:35]
Taylor Lewan
What got you transitioned into being an entrepreneur with the wine and the whiskey.
- [66:40]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. So I. I got into the wine early, man. When I was with the Raiders, our training camp was in Napa Valley. And so, you know, each year, training camp, I was out and about, you know, great restaurants all over the valley, and everyone was drinking wine, like, all the time. Like, morning, noon, and night, always drinking wine. So I just Got really interested in it and created my first label in 2005. And then around 20, 17, 18, Intercept was born. So that. So first I was coming out of Napa Valley, now it's in Paso Robles. And then I kind of always wanted a spirit to be a part of, you know, just my experience. And so a few years back, met a partner of mine now, and we started sourcing whiskey out of Kentucky, and that's where Woodson Whiskey was born. So, man, if. If I don't go to. If I don't go to the Raiders, I'm probably not into wine and probably not into whiskey. So it's one of those things where there was an opportunity. I don't know why I saw it, but I saw it. And then bam, here we go.
- [67:52]
Taylor Lewan
Will meant to ask.
- [67:53]
Charles Woodson
Oh, yeah. Oh, man. He could. Can he. We got any. You got any Cubs?
- [67:58]
Taylor Lewan
We got something around here?
- [67:59]
Charles Woodson
You got that. You got to have something. You got.
- [68:01]
Dave Portnoy
Can you talk about your relationship with. With Mark Davis?
- [68:04]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, great. Great relationship with Mark, man.
- [68:08]
Dave Portnoy
Are you Raiders over Michigan?
- [68:10]
Charles Woodson
I'm. I'm a Raider fan, man. I'm not Raiders over. I can't do a Raiders over Michigan. You know, I mean, you're like one of the.
- [68:17]
Dave Portnoy
So you're like. You're obviously an ambassador, but, yeah, you're always in. You're always in the mix with the. With the silver.
- [68:22]
Charles Woodson
Always in the mix, man. And, you know, it's just all about, you know, a respect thing. You know, Mark respected the way that I played the game. I think you appreciate it, you know, when I came back the second time around and, you know, he had taken over and just, you know, playing on some teams that we didn't have a lot, but just watching myself go out there every week, you know, sometimes banged up fingers, messed up ribs and all, he's like, man, you showed the guys what it was like, you know, to be a Raider, so. Yeah, that's awesome.
- [68:55]
Dave Portnoy
Raiders do a fantastic job. I mean, I only played a total of like, maybe. Maybe 10, 12 games. I do have a break. You got a break. But to going off that, I feel like the Raiders do such a fantastic job of, like, taking care of, bringing.
- [69:07]
Charles Woodson
Back the guys I want. Once the Raider, always a Raider.
- [69:09]
Odoo Advertiser
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- [69:10]
Charles Woodson
You hear it?
- [69:11]
Taylor Lewan
Damn.
- [69:11]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, you would have been a great Raider, man.
- [69:16]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah, there was some. There were some. There were some chirps at that.
- [69:19]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, man. Absolutely. This is my commemorative bottle. So this is only. This. This is only sold in Nevada.
- [69:30]
Dave Portnoy
This one right here.
- [69:30]
Charles Woodson
Yep. Only sold in Nevada. So this is a two year straight whiskey coming straight out of, straight out of Kentucky.
- [69:37]
Dave Portnoy
Give it something, man.
- [69:38]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, man. Let's give it a real man.
- [69:39]
Taylor Lewan
So as I pour the glass and I swirl it along, I can, I love the texture. Holding to the sides of the glass, slowly dripping back down. It's a really good whiskey. As you sip it, I like to put all around the mouth, no pause and take it. Because what I do like to do when I find the whiskey, which is different, is seeing how much it's going.
- [70:00]
Charles Woodson
To sting as I, as it goes down. Yeah, yeah. No, he's a swallow. Oh, God.
- [70:09]
Taylor Lewan
I think the flavor, it's got a nice sweetness to it.
- [70:13]
Charles Woodson
Oh yeah.
- [70:14]
Taylor Lewan
The temperature as it goes down my throat, no pause. Is not harsh. It's not something that I'm going to go and take down and be like, oh, that was a little tough. Maybe I should put something in there to, to take away that bite. Sits on the tummy just right.
- [70:29]
Charles Woodson
Oh man.
- [70:30]
Taylor Lewan
Hits that belly.
- [70:30]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah.
- [70:31]
Taylor Lewan
You kind of feel like, oh, I have a warming sensation. If it's a cool day outside, I put that in there. I know internally I'm getting the heat I need. Overall 4.5.
- [70:41]
Charles Woodson
4.5 out of 5.
- [70:43]
Dave Portnoy
I think I can, I hope it's out of 5. Would you like me to go?
- [70:49]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah. How did you feel about that?
- [70:50]
Dave Portnoy
I'm close with what you're saying. I feel like I taste and feel a lot of the, the things that you're talking about. I think it's got.
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Ed Helms
Hey everyone, Ed Helms here.
- [72:35]
Ryan Seacrest
And hi, I'm Kal Penn and we're the hosts of Irsay the Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club.
- [72:42]
Ed Helms
This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?
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Kal Penn
You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.
- [73:08]
Ed Helms
Okay, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. But are you sure I'm not the dad? I'm not Mr. Bennett.
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Dave Portnoy
Here.
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Ed Helms
Listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [73:29]
Dave Portnoy
A nice sweet heat up front. Like, not too much of that peppery up front. You're kind of thinking to yourself, like, is it going to sting as it goes down your throat? It does nestle down your throat very smoothly. And now that I'm in my, my third or fourth sip, it's got a nice warm, not like a harsh, where it kind of messes up your chest. So I'm just sitting on your stomach.
- [73:48]
Charles Woodson
It's very comfortable, especially on an empty stomach. I don't know if you've eaten. Yeah, yeah, I know what you're saying. Yeah, I am hungry.
- [73:52]
Dave Portnoy
And overall, I would give it a 4.5.
- [73:57]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. So we're going to take that as a 9 out of 10.
- [74:02]
Taylor Lewan
So our, our dumb shtick is it's not about. It's always going to be 4.5 because nothing's ever perfect. But it's the description in which you hear that you can establish is that 4.5 out of 5? Is it at a 20? So that's for the viewer to decide.
- [74:17]
Charles Woodson
What? Yeah, I like that.
- [74:19]
Dave Portnoy
Like, even a harsh, a bad whiskey would still get a 4.5. But you would explain it in a way of like, ah, that's My favorite.
- [74:24]
Taylor Lewan
I would say my eyes are watering. Not, not a lot of taste in that. That's a good whiskey.
- [74:29]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, no, I like that, I like that. That's a good way to put that though. I like the whole, I like the whole 4 out of 5 portion of it. You don't know if it's 4, 4.5 out of 150, 20, but it's 4.5. But I, I, I love your description. And so I had to come out here to get this matter of fact, not too long ago. And the first thing I thought was there was, there's a sweetness in it. But I couldn't put my finger on it. Like, like what I, what I, what I, what sweetness it was. So later on, I'll drink it again. Now I'll have something for you because it does.
- [75:01]
Taylor Lewan
My first thought is caramel. Like there's a caramel sweetness in the.
- [75:04]
Charles Woodson
Well, usually you get a little in your, your bourbons. You know, you get a little bit of that caramel, a little bit of that vanilla. But, but there's, there's, there's something else. I just can't because there's a lot.
- [75:14]
Dave Portnoy
Of whiskeys where it'll sting, it'll sting.
- [75:17]
Charles Woodson
Your lips and you never get the, you never get the flavor right. Yeah, right, right. So I, I, I needed to have, and I always want to have something that man, you can, you can enjoy. You know, a lot of people want, you know, barrel strength whiskeys, you know, which is great. Got to put you a cube in it. That's cool. And we'll do some things like that as well. But your, your everyday whiskey. What I want you to enjoy on game day, I want you to be able to enjoy it. It, you know, not just, you know, put the cube in or, or I don't need you to do all that. Yeah.
- [75:48]
Dave Portnoy
Do you like, are you more of a fan of your whiskey or the wine?
- [75:51]
Charles Woodson
No, I mean, they're, they're both my, my kids.
- [75:53]
Dave Portnoy
I know you love both, but if you're my babies, what wins more?
- [75:56]
Taylor Lewan
What wins more right now? Who's your favorite child at this moment? You're not. You're going to say, I love them both the same, but you're going to think of one name first.
- [76:02]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. No, no, I'm not.
- [76:04]
Taylor Lewan
I'll tell you.
- [76:04]
Charles Woodson
Right.
- [76:05]
Taylor Lewan
Okay.
- [76:05]
Charles Woodson
Can't do it.
- [76:06]
Taylor Lewan
Dion.
- [76:06]
Ryan Seacrest
Dion.
- [76:07]
Charles Woodson
I don't do the, I don't do the Dion thing.
- [76:08]
Dave Portnoy
I was gonna say Dion. Dion brings his kids. I love it.
- [76:12]
Charles Woodson
I love both my babies the same. My boys but there's ones you like.
- [76:17]
Taylor Lewan
More than others at certain times.
- [76:18]
Charles Woodson
Well, what I would say, though, what I would say with the. With the whiskey is that it's more interactive. That makes sense because there's a lot of things you can do with it, you know, so if I was going to have a party or get together or something, and we wanted to make a bunch of different things out of that whiskey, man, we got a whole range of things that we can do. We can make espresso, martinis, Manhattans, old fashions, paper planes. We. We can do all these different things. And we can make some with the wine as well. We do. We do a little. It's called a. At one of the restaurants I. I go that have both of my products. It's called the Intercept Sour. So it has their housemade sour mix. My red blend, which is not there in my whiskey, and they mix it in this nice little.
- [77:07]
Dave Portnoy
I feel like you.
- [77:08]
Charles Woodson
You know what I'm saying?
- [77:09]
Dave Portnoy
Do you have a cigar? Not yet. I was gonna say, I feel like you got the whiskey. Like, I feel like you got. You got the nice. The aged beard. That's really well done. I feel like you're a cigar guy.
- [77:19]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [77:19]
Dave Portnoy
Did you like that when the Raiders would pull that out after the victory? Yeah.
- [77:22]
Charles Woodson
Talk about.
- [77:22]
Dave Portnoy
Talk about AP Getting the. Getting the head coaching job.
- [77:25]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, I think. I think Mark had to do it, man. Had to do it. It was a. A groundswell of support for. For AP and just the way he came in, man, and. And the way that the team just really responded to him, I thought he had to do it. So I'm excited for him. And I was able to go and talk to him before they went and played Indianapolis. And I told the guys, I said, hey, man, I can't wait until I get the chance to come in the locker room and hang out at Club Raider with you guys. And so last game of the season against Denver, I got a chance to get into Club Raider. After the game, Max Crosby running around. Yeah. Hands me the cigar. And that was a moment, man. That was a real moment. And so I love it. I think AP Is going to. He's going to, you know, do a great job. I think he's going to, you know, hopefully, you know, he's a great talent evaluator along with the new gm, man. And they get guys in here that love the game of football and who want to be Raiders. And so if he can accomplish that. Yeah, would be right. We'll be right.
- [78:29]
Taylor Lewan
And we appreciate you coming on this has been incredible. There was one quick story I do want to tell. It was after my rookie year and I was in town. We were doing a charity event. I believe it was yours and Hutchinson's charity event. And I went to my old house because obviously a couple guys were there that I used to live at. And I was damn near blackout drunk.
- [78:48]
Charles Woodson
Yeah.
- [78:48]
Taylor Lewan
And I was on some extracurriculars as well.
- [78:50]
Charles Woodson
You come a long way from that baby swimming pool.
- [78:52]
Taylor Lewan
No question, dude. A car pulls up and Charles, you.
- [78:59]
Charles Woodson
Know the little pools that you fill up for like 2 year olds?
- [79:01]
Dave Portnoy
Yeah, yeah.
- [79:03]
Taylor Lewan
This guy sitting in it and we, you know, the, the. You seen the house I lived on? It was like right on that main street called State Street.
- [79:12]
Charles Woodson
Not far from.
- [79:13]
Taylor Lewan
Not far from drunk, not, not far from there. He pulls up because I'm supposed to go to that charity event tonight. I ended up going blackout. It was a terrible experience for everybody else but me. But he pulls up and all my boys are there. And you came up dat me up. We talked for a second. I got back in that tub after you left, I felt like the man. I was like, yo, he just pulled up just to say what's up? And left.
- [79:32]
Charles Woodson
Randomly riding down the street. Taylor, the one in a baby swimming pool, dog.
- [79:39]
Taylor Lewan
It was.
- [79:40]
Charles Woodson
I gotta see what's going on over there.
- [79:42]
Taylor Lewan
That was an interesting time in my life. Will has heard some stories about me at Michigan and a couple.
- [79:47]
Dave Portnoy
I know the Taylor I know well.
- [79:49]
Charles Woodson
All of you offensive linemen, man, you guys are crazy.
- [79:52]
Taylor Lewan
Nuts.
- [79:53]
Charles Woodson
Yeah. You guys are crazy.
- [79:54]
Taylor Lewan
Yeah, it's definitely calmed down quite a bit. Thank God. Because I would have good, good been out of the league.
- [79:57]
Dave Portnoy
Who knows where you'd be right now.
- [79:58]
Taylor Lewan
No, I'd be dead in the ditch somewhere.
- [80:00]
Charles Woodson
This is what I tell people before you in is you, you, you're a different person now. You do things differently. And so we, we all came into the NFL. You played you know how many ever years and you do a lot of dumb. And so what I tell young guys is like, I hope you make it to the other side. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people in those first couple of years, they get into some shit, they never recover. But if you can play long enough, man, and kind of just keep yourself somewhat clean and keep yourself fit and ready to play and you can get to the other side, man, it's so much, so much better. You know what I'm saying? But you don't know unless you get over it. Right? I'm happy you made it to the other side.
- [80:41]
Taylor Lewan
Appreciate that, man. Yeah, it's a cool transition. It would be an incredible regret to not make that transition and then be sitting out of the league and knowing, like, man, what could I have actually done if I wouldn't have just got out of my own way? And so it was. It's really cool. But that moment was awesome, man. That was a very cool moment, dude.
- [80:59]
Dave Portnoy
Thanks for coming on.
- [81:00]
Charles Woodson
Yeah, man.
- [81:01]
Dave Portnoy
This is awesome.
- [81:02]
Taylor Lewan
Please subscribe hey, dad.
- [81:03]
Dave Portnoy
Dad. Charles Woodson.
- [81:04]
Charles Woodson
Charles Woodson, my man.
- [81:06]
Taylor Lewan
Appreciate you.
- [81:06]
Charles Woodson
Yes, sir. Go blue.
- [81:08]
Taylor Lewan
Go blue. Hey, we got you this, too.
- [81:23]
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Charles Woodson
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Charles Woodson
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Charles Woodson
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