Best of the Bus: Jared Goff, Amon Ra St. Brown & Penei Sewell On The Detroit Lions

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys – "Best of the Bus: Jared Goff, Amon-Ra St. Brown & Penei Sewell On The Detroit Lions"

Date: October 25, 2025
Podcast Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Guests: Penei Sewell, Amon-Ra St. Brown, Kenny Golladay

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Episode Overview

This special “Best of the Bus” episode brings together Detroit Lions stars Penei Sewell (OT), Amon-Ra St. Brown (WR), and Kenny Golladay (WR) for candid conversations with Will Compton and Taylor Lewan. They cover Detroit’s football renaissance, go deep on team culture, leadership, and mentorship, and share their perspectives on personal growth, family, and the changing landscape of both college and pro football. Sprinkled throughout are anecdotes on coaching, locker room vibes, and the "little joys" of NFL grind, all delivered in the bus's signature blend of heartfelt candor and locker room humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Detroit Lions: The Cool Team Surge

Timestamp: [02:00]–[03:53]

• The hosts open by declaring the Lions “cool,” a major cultural shift for the long-maligned franchise.
• Penei Sewell shares he never saw Detroit as a negative landing spot in the draft, especially with current leadership:

  “Let’s just get that out the way… You didn't have Campbell, you didn't have Holmes… I think it's the best decision of my life, to be honest.” — Penei Sewell [02:43]

• He expected to be picked by Cincinnati but quickly embraced Detroit.

2. Breaking the Losing Culture – The Blueprint & Leadership

Timestamp: [03:53]–[05:46]

• Sewell reflects on the emotional toll of the rookie season’s losses and the slow, deliberate cultural change. The team began with a long winless streak in his rookie year:

  “Never been a part of something like that... Just to see our growth from there… it just makes you love the game.” — Penei Sewell [03:53]

• Credit to GM Brad Holmes and coach Dan Campbell for fostering a new, positive environment.

On Dan Campbell’s Coaching Style:

• Coach Campbell is beloved, but players joke about his meandering, motivational meetings:

  “[He’ll] go on a spiel… take a break… [and] totally just veer off another direction… talking about football… then suddenly about his dog.” – Penei Sewell [04:31–05:12] “Then dog love steak or something like that... That’s probably the one thing, you know.” — Penei Sewell [05:14]

• “You can see his heart racing too. He’s just like breathing heavily…” — Sewell, on Campbell’s passionate delivery [05:33]

3. O-Line Culture: Standards & Traditions

Timestamp: [05:46]–[08:19]

• The Lions’ offensive line is described as one of the league’s best. Sewell says they don’t discuss their status much—“just be about it.”
• Rookie duties: Stocking fridges and snacks (Little Debbie’s a must), and sometimes getting special requests like espresso machines for vets.
• O-linemen do a big “white elephant” gift exchange at Christmas ($1,000 minimum), and rookie holiday decorations, but not much for Halloween (though rookies must dress up for the full team) [06:58–08:19].

4. Penei Sewell’s Journey: American Samoa to Detroit

Timestamp: [08:39]–[12:00]

• Started football on the islands, with makeshift equipment. Dad was a coach, mom ran the academics ship.
• Early hardship playing with older, bigger kids shaped his toughness and frame of mind:

  “[Playing] with 13, 14 year olds… I got killed left and right… but that moment is what really set me up for success.” — Penei Sewell [09:00]

• Picks Oregon because of Mario Cristobal and the O-lineman connection.

5. Training Camp Necessities (Tier Talk Segment)

Timestamp: [12:00]–[13:32]

• Penei’s essentials: Phone, Xbox (for NCAA), and being “simple.” No Gold Bond or special rituals for him.
• Hosts joke about rookie traditions, long practice days, and hotel life.

6. Contract Splurges & Personal Life

Timestamp: [19:01]–[20:11]

• Sewell’s rookie contract used sensibly—bought a house, then a “TRX” truck.
• His “big contract” splurge: jewelry for his wife, noting he just got married two weeks prior (“Not yet” on the honeymoon, but “Bali’s calling my name a little bit”).

  “Honestly, not much. Other than jewelry.” — Penei Sewell [19:49]

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7. Amon-Ra St. Brown: Upbringing, Family, Motivation

Timestamp: [20:35]–[24:55]

• His father’s unconventional, motivational tough love is recounted:

  “The car ride home is always hell. That’s the last thing you want to do after a bad game…” — Amon-Ra St. Brown [21:33]

• Dad’s constant coaching didn’t stop after Amon-Ra reached college or the NFL:

  “He just wants me to, you know, keep going, keep going. And I get it, but I love him to death.” [22:32]

• On his dad’s viral sayings:

  “You can either listen to me or listen to yourself, but if I were you, I would listen to me” [24:09]

• The “Saint Brown Podcast” is their family’s pod, dropping every Wednesday during the season.

8. Playing “Pissed Off” and The Infamous “Chip on the Shoulder”

Timestamp: [28:39]–[33:35]

• St. Brown describes always having a chip on his shoulder, fueled by competitiveness, sibling rivalry, and being a 4th round draft pick despite five-star high school status.

  “I hated losing… I can’t let my brother outdo me…” — Amon-Ra St. Brown [28:57]

• He’s aware of doubters, but has outgrown worrying about them:

  “Now I'm at a point in my career where it's like, I'm worried about… the Super Bowl. That's the biggest thing…” [32:31]

• He’s trying to grow as a “vocal leader” but prefers to lead by example:

  “That’s not who I am… when I DO say something, people are listening.” [34:52]

9. Big Ten Realignment & College Football Banter

Timestamp: [35:26]–[41:09]

• The group debates USC’s chances in the Big Ten and lampoon the conference realignment headaches, getting in some cross-coastal rivalry jokes.
• Amon-Ra on his recruiting visit to Michigan:

  “It’s raining like crazy… Vibes were low. Recruiting coordinator wasn’t feeling. I’m good, bro.” [40:10]

10. Professional Accomplishments & Wide Receiver Talk

Timestamp: [41:09]–[42:49]

• St. Brown humbly reflects on breaking Calvin Johnson’s “youngest to 1,000 yards” record.

  “Being in the same conversation as him is an honor, but I gotta keep going...” — Amon-Ra St. Brown [41:09]

• Top 3 WRs he likes to watch (not a literal ranking): Davante Adams, Keenan Allen, Justin Jefferson [42:20].

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11. Locker Room Culture & Locker Room Guys

Timestamp: [46:23]–[47:03]

• Amon-Ra shouts out Jamar Jefferson, Khalif Raymond, and Kirby Joseph for locker room vibes.
• Kenny Golladay gives love to Graham Glasgow, Tavon Austin, and David Montgomery as some of his all-time favorite teammates ("Graham's one of my favorite teammates of all time.” [48:56]).

12. The Dan Campbell Question: Pet Peeves

Timestamp: [49:50]–[50:25]

• Golladay plays it safe:

  “Just how consistent he is. He’s hard to keep up with.” — Kenny Golladay [50:04]

  • Admits Campbell will “get long winded, pause and take a break for like a minute, yeah, three minutes long.” [50:13]

13. Midwest vs. West Coast Fans & Atmosphere

Timestamp: [50:44]–[52:09]

• Golladay compares hardcore Detroit fans to laid-back LA:

  “The people around here just live, breathe, die football… In LA, there’s just a lot of things to do that aren’t football.” [50:48]

• On winning the division:

  “Our fans deserve it… They’ve been through a lot here and we were able to give them a little slice of joy...” [51:51]

14. Playoff Runs, Trade Emotions, and the Business Side

Timestamp: [52:09]–[54:55]

• Golladay details the range of emotions facing his former team (Rams) in the playoffs; his focus was on what the game meant to the city.
• On being traded from LA:

  “There was just no true communication… As soon as I talked to Brad and Dan... it flipped very quickly…” [53:44]

• Realization of the NFL as a business:

  “You were a high-paid quarterback… There’s always, like, once you taste that or you get cut… you’re kind of shunned by it.” [54:32]

15. Super Bowl Aspirations & Mindset

Timestamp: [55:23]–[56:58]

• The team openly aims for the Super Bowl, a departure from “one game at a time” clichés:

  “We’re not afraid to say that, like you said. And I think it’s because, you know, we did taste it last year.” — Golladay [55:42]

• Once they won a playoff game, the goal instantly became “let’s go win the Super Bowl.” [56:42]

16. Funny Locker Room & Training Camp Moments (Shout Out – No Free Shout Out)

Timestamp: [58:01]–[63:41]

• Small joys and jokes: downtime with teammates, rookie antics (faking rumors of canceled practice), surprise practice off, cloud coverage during dog days, hiding hot dogs at halftime.
• The importance of camaraderie and pranks in surviving camp.

  “Shout out no free shout out: cloud coverage… All of a sudden clouds just start rolling through and you have a nice breeze during practice. That is a godsend.” [60:24]

• Revealed: Charlie’s a “hot dog” (glizzy) guy—so is Golladay, secretly.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This rookie class has been great, honestly.” — Penei Sewell on rookies upholding O-line traditions [07:35]
• “I’m always in the dark, the sweat and dead sh—” — Amon-Ra St. Brown [14:16]
• “As a kid… Our football was like a bottle, we’d fill the bottom with sand… that’d be our football.” — Penei Sewell [11:22]
• “You can either listen to me or listen to yourself, but if I were you, I would listen to me.” — Amon-Ra St. Brown imitating his dad [24:09]
• “We just want to win a Super Bowl. Whatever it takes.” — Amon-Ra St. Brown [32:31]
• “The stadium’s got to be one of the loudest stadiums in the league now.” — Kenny Golladay on Detroit home crowd [51:42]
• “You definitely should get an O lineman. They all perform very well.” — Podcast Host, on beer games success [47:51]
• "Would you cut your dick off for a Super Bowl?"
  "I like to think I have enough life ability to do it without doing that." — Kenny Golladay [57:11]
• “If you're just doing it, like leaving behind some chaos... that’s not cool. But to your buddy, yeah, it's great.” — Kenny Golladay on salt pranks [61:33]

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Fun & Lighthearted Segments

American Ninja Warrior Locker Room Candidate

If you needed to save the world, who would run the Ninja Warrior obstacle course?

• Nominees: Khalif Raymond (springy + explosive), David Montgomery (built like a "created player" and sneaky athletic).

Training Camp “Shout Out No Free Shout Out” Picks:

• Surprise practice off
• Cloud coverage on hot days
• Downtime/hanging with teammates between meetings
• Rookie pranks/gaslighting about “movie day”
• Coach pulling you for reduced reps

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Closing Energy

The episode radiates optimism and self-deprecating humor, but also honesty about the grind and expectations in Detroit. Players are humble but driven, committed to the new standard for the franchise—and aware of the “special” Lions vibe among both locker room and fans.

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Additional Topics & Segments

• College football travel and conference realignment woes
• Locker room pranks, fantasy football, and preferences (Amon-Ra doesn't play, Golladay is a hot dog guy)
• Favorite Eminem tracks, being in the Michigan-Michigan State crossfire, and random team/beer games banter

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For Listeners New to the Podcast

This episode offers a blend of football insights, locker room culture, and personal backstories, giving fans a rare look into the personalities and rituals that define Detroit’s resurgence. You’ll get both the laughs and the leadership lessons, and a taste of the city pride that’s fueling the Lions’ Super Bowl-or-bust mindset.

Transcript

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

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[Kenny Golladay]

What's that sound?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

That's the sound of Downy unstoppable scent.

[Kenny Golladay]

Beads going into your washing machine and.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Giving your clothes freshness that lasts all day long.

[Podcast Host 1]

There it is again.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

It's like music to your ears. Or more like music to your nose. That freshness is irresistible.

[Penei Sewell]

Let's get a Downy Unstoppables bottle shake.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

And now a sniff solo.

[Kenny Golladay]

Nice.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

With Downy Unstoppables, you just toss wash. Wow.

[Kenny Golladay]

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[Narrator/Reporter]

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[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

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[Narrator/Reporter]

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[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

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[Podcast Host 1]

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[Podcast Host 2]

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[Kenny Golladay]

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[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

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[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, we got you. Get in, get off, get out. We know the drill.

[Penei Sewell]

Appreciate it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay, first off, I don't know if this is break breaking news. The Detroit Lions are now a cool football team. It's now cool. It's now cool to be alliance fan. It's cool to be in the in Michigan and being like, yo, we have the best college football program of all time. 30 minutes away from Detroit, and now we possibly have super bowl champions in 2024. But I feel like you and I are very similar when it comes to the draft. I'll take you back to 2014. Lions were picking at number 10. I went to the University of Michigan. I was sitting there, I said to myself, for the love of God, please, Lions, do not pick me. I do not want to go to this horrendous franchise. No disrespect, Because I just said we're cool now. I just said we're cool, so it's all good. I have some intel saying that you felt very similar in those situations, and now you're part of a cool franchise. How's it feel?

[Penei Sewell]

No, not similar at all, to be honest. Let's just get that out the way. I mean, it's a lot different than when you were going in the draft. You know, I mean, you didn't have Campbell, he didn't have Holmes. So when I got drafted, I was really just happy. I mean, to be honest, I thought I was going to go earlier. So once I just went past five, I was kind of like, all right, wherever I go, I'm meant to be. I got picked here, and I think it's the best decision of my life, to be honest.

[Podcast Host 1]

Where'd you think you were going to go?

[Penei Sewell]

I think I was going to go to Cincinnati.

[Podcast Host 1]

Were you hopeful for that?

[Penei Sewell]

Nah, honestly, I was hopeful for anything. Just. I didn't care.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, that's right. Because that was when they were talking about Cincinnati needs to take a tackle, and it took Jamar Chase, right?

[Penei Sewell]

Yep. And great decision for now was your.

[Podcast Host 2]

Camp sitting there being like, yo, Cincinnati's the move. That's where you're gonna go.

[Penei Sewell]

For the most part, it was leaning towards that way. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And how's it been seeing the fandom of the Lions when you first got here? People are excited about Dan and all that, but there was just like the 30 years you guys literally broke the seal on something they haven't done forever. Seeing it now, this year, all the hype you get back in the city, you see everyone just totally dialed in, everything. How does that feel, knowing that you've been a huge part of that?

[Penei Sewell]

Man, it feels amazing. Amazing. To be honest, just because my rookie year, I think we didn't win a game until, like, week 12 or, like, 11 or something like that, and that was depressing, to be honest. Never been a part of something like that. And just to see our growth from there and just to see what type of dudes that are in this building now, it's just amazing. You just see the progress. You see the blueprint that Holmes and Campbell put together and just makes you love the game, you know, with all.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, everybody loves Coach Campbell. He's always got the clips that go viral. People love the. The football guy that he. That he is. What is your biggest pet peeve of Coach Campbell?

[Penei Sewell]

Pet peeve? There's not a lot, but sometimes when he's in a team Meeting room. He'll go on a spiel, and when he's on his spiel, sometimes he needs to take a break. And it's a long break and you just don't know what's going to, like, come out of his mouth next. So he's going on about a story. He'll pause for a nice three minutes and then totally just veer off another direction. Like we could talk about football and then have that pause and then talk about his dog and then end the conversation.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's over, it's done.

[Penei Sewell]

You're just like, I thought that was supposed to be like kind of inspirational, motivational, kind of get something out of it. Then he'll just.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, man, he's really thinking of something deep here.

[Penei Sewell]

Yes, exactly. Oh, man, I'm about to get pumped right now. Yeah, okay, Give me something, Coach. And then dog love steak or something like that. That's probably the one thing, you know.

[Podcast Host 2]

After the first 30 seconds of that three minute period, you're just like, hey, what's he doing? Are you whispering to your boy? Like kind of nudging his leg or whatever.

[Penei Sewell]

You can see his heart racing too. He's just like breathing heavily. And you're just, all right, come on, Coach. Okay, what are you about to say? And then he drops that. You're just like, all right, Coach, I'll see you next time.

[Podcast Host 2]

Dude, your offensive line is probably one of the best in the entire NFL. Like.

[Penei Sewell]

Sorry.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, it's not. I'm just giving you a hard time. But with, with Frank and then Graham leaving and coming back and Decker and you, like, the expectation for you guys got to be so high this year. Like, do you guys talk about how, you know, there's such a, like the, the foundation of the team is really on the offensive line. Do you guys talk about how important it is for you guys to essentially live up standard that everyone's putting on you guys right now?

[Penei Sewell]

We definitely don't talk about it because I think a lot of people already know and that everyone else is kind of talking for us. And so I think our thing is, is just coming into the building every day and being that example, you know, just not even talking about it. Just be it and fill in those shoes with no hesitation and a lot of confidence. So I don't think we need to talk about it. So we just be about it.

[Podcast Host 1]

The offensive line rooms are the best. What do you guys operate by any rules? So, for example, it's like the fine system. The fine. There's always a fine system. I Feel like everywhere, if you get mentioned in a team meeting, you know, that's a fine. If you're doing anything quirky, like what rules does your guys offensive line room have? Or maybe it's with rookies. Maybe it's with young guys.

[Penei Sewell]

No rules for, like, I guess the vets and the older guys, but the rookies, they have to stock the fridge. Sodas, juice, water, whatever. Whatever the fellas want. And then snacks. Little Debbie's got to be a lot of little Debbie snacks.

[Podcast Host 2]

Big Little Debbie guy.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah, Big, big time. And then that's about it. And then maybe one of the vets want like a espresso machine or like a hot dog stand or whatever they want. So they'll ask the rookies. They got to get it. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Has a rookie ever dropped the ball?

[Kenny Golladay]

No.

[Penei Sewell]

So far, this rookie class has been great, honestly.

[Podcast Host 2]

What about the holiday season? You get into Spooktober, you got Thanksgiving around the corner.

[Penei Sewell]

Christmas, so far, just Christmas. We don't do Thanksgiving or Halloween.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh.

[Penei Sewell]

We have the rookies decorate the room, and I think that's about it, to be honest.

[Podcast Host 1]

You guys get each other gifts?

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah, we do, like a white elephant type vibe.

[Podcast Host 1]

Is there a limit?

[Penei Sewell]

Last year it was a thousand.

[Podcast Host 2]

Thousand. Minimum.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah. Minimum.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's a good white elephant. That's a good white.

[Penei Sewell]

Good night.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Some nice stuff out there. Some papers in there, too.

[Podcast Host 1]

Down like, hey, let's do 50.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Knowing it'll go up from there.

[Podcast Host 2]

Right. And you can't do cash.

[Podcast Host 1]

Right?

[Penei Sewell]

Can't do cash. No, no, no, I can't.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't want to step on your guys's traditions, but you guys really need to start decorating for Halloween. You're in the middle of the season. The dogs.

[Podcast Host 1]

You should make the rookies dress.

[Penei Sewell]

I mean, we have Halloween.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

I don't know.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah. Oh, wait. Actually, the. The team. The team has something. It's not just O line, but the team has a thing where all the rookies have to dress up for Halloween and then Campbell introduces them. Say what they are.

[Podcast Host 2]

Got you. So, yeah, growing up. You grew up in Samoa, correct?

[Penei Sewell]

Correct. America Samoa.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then you went to Utah when you're 12 years old.

[Penei Sewell]

Correct.

[Podcast Host 2]

When. When did you pick up football? Because obviously you go into Oregon, you're an immediate starter, you win the outland trophy. Like, you've had a very decorated career already, but usually kids are picking the. Picking up the game at like 5, 6, 7 years old. Were you doing that?

[Penei Sewell]

I've always been around the game. So, like, not playing it like with pads on and everything. But my dad was a coach. So honestly, since probably like 4, 5, I've been around the game, just running around his high school team, helping him set up cones and oftentimes running the drills with the players. And then my first padded youth gig was when I was 9, turning 10. And this age group is a little different on the island because you can't really be specific because of money and all that. It's not that much. So the brain, I think it was like 10 to 13, you could play and then like that was the only range for the youth football down there. So I was 9, turning 10, and my two older brothers were already playing and I was like, man, I'm on the, I'm on the edge. Let me play. My dad didn't let me play that year just because everyone was just huge at 13 on the island. And so I played my when I was 10 and that's when I just, I got killed left and right. Just getting killed by these 13, 14 year olds didn't, didn't play at all. But I think that moment right there is what really set me up for success. Because once I got to the island, I was the bully. Like growing up, I knew all those hits that I got were like, hard. And like all those things is kind of like taken as a little kid now. I'm the one giving it, you know what I mean? So like, I'm the one setting the tone and I know what it feels like and I know how to what it looks like.

[Podcast Host 1]

So what was it like growing up in a household like you, obviously your three brothers, they all play ball. Your old man's a head coach. What's it like growing up in an environment like that?

[Penei Sewell]

Honestly, it was a lot of fun. A lot of broken things in the house. Mom didn't like it, but yeah, super fun. We played football every second we had.

[Podcast Host 1]

Was your dad hard on you guys for football?

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah, that's about it though. It was like football was my dad and academics was my mom.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Penei Sewell]

So. But yeah, he was really harsh on us in terms of like doing the right things and learning the plays and stuff like that. So. But every chance we got on the island to play football on the beach, in our backyard, on a mountain, like we played it and it was like our football was like a. A bottle like this. Sorry, let me not put that up. Like that one.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Penei Sewell]

And then we'd fill it up the bottom with like sand and then water and it have some weight on it and that'd Be our football just because we didn't have one.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's bad.

[Penei Sewell]

And then we just tossed around and just tackle each other, basically.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, that's wild. And then you end up going to Oregon, which has, like, the nicest facilities.

[Penei Sewell]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. No, it was a total, total flip.

[Podcast Host 2]

Total flip. What made you choose Oregon?

[Penei Sewell]

To be honest, it was a personnel that was there. Head coach Mario Cristobal. That's my guy. Love that dude to death. And fell in love with this whole philosophy, his whole vibe and what he's about. And I know he's an online guy, too. And to have an online guy as a head coach, I think it's pretty good for me, so.

[Kenny Golladay]

No doubt.

[Podcast Host 1]

Should we tear talk?

[Podcast Host 2]

Let's hear some tear talk real quick.

[Podcast Host 1]

All right, so we have this segment called Tear Talk where essentially you tier one through three, like your top three. Our tear talk with you is going to be necessities and training camp. What are the top three things that you have to have that you have to pack? Do you guys stay in a hotel?

[Penei Sewell]

No, no, no.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I'm.

[Penei Sewell]

You have to go home.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, what are the three things you have to have during training camp?

[Penei Sewell]

Phone, I guess. But like, with the phone, I watch movies a lot, just during the breaks.

[Podcast Host 1]

Are you a gamer?

[Penei Sewell]

I am a gamer.

[Podcast Host 1]

But were you like a rookie that if you were in a hotel anywhere, you're packing your ex?

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Penei Sewell]

If I think my rookie year we went to. Or no second year, we went to Indy for, like a joint training camp. Yeah, that thing. I was like, yeah, I need it. I'm a big NCAA guy right now, so that's got me hooked. You play with Oregon all the time. Huh? Any good? Nah, I'm still trying to figure out this.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'm horrendous. So I'm sitting in the same boat.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah, it's a little different, but what else do I need? I don't really need much, to be honest.

[Podcast Host 1]

How about some gold, Bond? Are you a chafer during training camp?

[Penei Sewell]

Nah, no, I'm good.

[Podcast Host 1]

I would always. I would always get the rashes.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

You know what I mean?

[Penei Sewell]

That's my go.

[Podcast Host 1]

Bond on Sit in front of a fan naked with calamine lotion in case I got poison ivy.

[Penei Sewell]

Damn. Damn. Okay. Wow. Yeah.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Nothing else, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Phone.

[Penei Sewell]

I'm simple. Phone.

[Podcast Host 1]

What about you?

[Podcast Host 2]

Tier 3? I do like the phone, so I'll put the phone out there. Tier three phone, Tier two electrolytes. Because I'm a big cramper. So I would always be taking my water bottles and always refilling them up. But my tier one, because we did stay in a hotel, was lotion.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Oh, bro.

[Penei Sewell]

Y' all are ridiculous.

[Podcast Host 2]

So much time you have, you got.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I don't know what to do.

[Kenny Golladay]

You.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I'm always in the dark. The sweat and dead sh.

[Podcast Host 2]

Sm smells like a dark.

[Kenny Golladay]

I'm downy rinsing tonight.

[Podcast Host 1]

Downy Rinse fights stubborn odors in just one wash. When impossible odors get stuck in.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Rinse it out. All I know is what I've been told and that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Narrator/Reporter]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Podcast Host 2]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Narrator/Reporter]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Podcast Host 1]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or.

[Podcast Host 2]

Burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

From Lava for good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley, feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Kenny Golladay]

We had 30 agents ready to go.

[Podcast Host 2]

With shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Narrator/Reporter]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[Kenny Golladay]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Podcast Host 2]

They go, is this your daughter?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Once I saw the gun, I tried.

[Podcast Host 2]

To take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Podcast Host 2]

What time did you get this morning?

[Penei Sewell]

Uh, 6:45.

[Podcast Host 2]

6:45. And then you're in the building. You've just finished practice and it's not even noon yet.

[Penei Sewell]

Right.

[Podcast Host 2]

Get back. What time you get back? Done.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah, true. I got back last night around 7:40.

[Podcast Host 2]

So we would get back like 8:39.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Podcast Host 2]

I would take those 15 minutes and it would be me, myself and I in a hotel.

[Podcast Host 1]

We didn't stay in a hotel.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, we have to stay in the hotel for like the first until the the second. I mean.

[Penei Sewell]

All right.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, we got.

[Penei Sewell]

And you gotta do what you gotta do.

[Podcast Host 2]

You can't tell me you walk into a hotel room and you're not like, this is the safest I'll ever be in the situation.

[Podcast Host 1]

You gotta take care of some alone time.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

Take care of business.

[Podcast Host 1]

100.

[Podcast Host 2]

So that's my away games. My tier one is lotion.

[Penei Sewell]

Oh, maybe necessity is some nicotine.

[Podcast Host 1]

Lucy. Lucy.

[Penei Sewell]

Gotta be stressful out there.

[Podcast Host 1]

The only thing I feel like I would add is NormaTec. I feel like I was always packing NormaTex everywhere I went. NormaTec, Xbox, it's a good one. Lotion's a great one. But NormaTec, I'll start with Gold Bond, Norma Tech Xbox.

[Podcast Host 2]

I would never bring the Xbox because my brain, I'd be up till like 2am and then the next day I'm screwed.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, but it's like, it's especially important like for an off day, off days when it's a big Xbox, the boys run in the hallways.

[Podcast Host 2]

All good points, all good points. It's just me. If I walked into a room like now the lotions in the corner and I got to play the Xbox for four or five hours. I got tradition, I got, I got stuff I got to figure out.

[Podcast Host 1]

Guys are wondering why you're not sitting with them at, for snack at night and you're just packing it to go to get up to your room.

[Podcast Host 2]

Right. Immediately, go play. Imagine trying to play. Trying to be in camp right now with CFP25 going on.

[Podcast Host 1]

I know, I know because I, I love that game Right now. What you obviously say in congratulations, the biggest, the highest paid alignment in history as of right now. What is. We love to ask this question and please humor us. What has been your biggest splurge purchase since signing that contract? Or maybe when you got drafted in the first round. I mean, you did. You are like the man.

[Penei Sewell]

I guess. Let's start with the rookie one. A house, but, like, that's. I guess standard didn't need a roof over my head, but a car. I got, like. I got the trx.

[Podcast Host 1]

Okay.

[Penei Sewell]

That bad boy, you know? So that's my baby right there. And then this big contract. Honestly, not much other than Jury. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Big jewelry guy.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

Not me.

[Penei Sewell]

But for significant other.

[Podcast Host 2]

So you just got married? Congratulations.

[Penei Sewell]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Two weeks ago.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

No honeymoon?

[Penei Sewell]

Not yet. We're gonna wait.

[Podcast Host 2]

So where are y' all gonna go, man?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I don't know.

[Penei Sewell]

Bali's calling my name a little bit, but we'll see. I don't know. It's not for sure. That's just an idea.

[Podcast Host 2]

I couldn't even pick that out of the map if I. If I wanted to.

[Penei Sewell]

Me neither. That's the thing.

[Podcast Host 2]

Just want to go and just culture yourself.

[Penei Sewell]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host 2]

I love that.

[Penei Sewell]

Enjoy the vibes.

[Podcast Host 2]

We appreciate you coming, man.

[Penei Sewell]

Thank you so much for having me in the ass.

[Podcast Host 2]

So just for taking a little bit of time out of your days. It means a lot. So we appreciate you.

[Penei Sewell]

Thank you guys. And appreciate it, man.

[Podcast Host 1]

Appreciate that, bro. Look at that. Punctual.

[Podcast Host 2]

Punctual. 200 balls a day caught in the jugs, right? Did you do it today?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah. Yeah, before practice. Sorry? Before practice.

[Podcast Host 2]

Before practice.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Before practice.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right.

[Podcast Host 1]

You had an incred. You've had a. I'm on episode six. You've had an incredible showing so far on the receiver.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Appreciate it.

[Podcast Host 1]

I really respect it. And I'm super curious what it was like growing up in the household with your old man.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Honestly, for me, it was normal. Like, that's the. That's the life I. I grew up, you know, knowing him, you know, being the guy he is. Everyone sees the way he acts. You know, him telling me to drink a Coke at halftime. I'm used to it. I'm getting those texts all the time. You know, the sayings that he has. I'm used to it, him, you know, being like, our trainers. But, you know, outside of sports and being our trainer, he was awesome, dad, so it was a good time.

[Podcast Host 1]

When we had CMC on, he would say that his dad, Ed McCaffrey, like, he would get grounded if he got arm tackled in youth football. Did you have anything like that with your old man? Cause I would assume he was pretty hard on you guys.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah, no, I didn't get. No, I wouldn't say I got grounded or, you know, punished for anything. It was just like, you know, if you had a bad game Getting that car ride home is always hell. It's like, that's the last thing you want to do after the game, after a bad game is, you know, you got to get in the car with your dad and go home, and he's going to tell you everything you did wrong and what you got to fix and how you got to be better. And so those are. I would say that's what I dreaded most, was just the car ride home. Or we'd go after, you know, after practice, go back to the park by our house and get more drills in. Just keep working on the stuff that I wasn't doing right. So I was used to it. But as a kid, it's like, here, Here we go. Like, I got to go back to this.

[Podcast Host 1]

You don't know any other way.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

That's all I knew.

[Podcast Host 2]

Without. With your old man, like, obviously him being a part of, like, your strength, your coaching, all that stuff, at what point were you like, hey, dad, like, I'm a senior at usc. Like, I need to. I have coaches for this now, right?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

In college, it was. It was a little different because I wasn't with him. That was the first time I wasn't with my dad, you know, almost every day.

[Penei Sewell]

So.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

But I went to usc, so it was like an hour away from. From his house. So he'd be at a lot of the practices. Obviously, he couldn't come to all of them because some practices aren't open to family, but he would come to a lot of them, and, you know, he would still coach me up. He kind of let me do my thing when I got to college, but if he saw anything that he didn't like, he was either telling me, texting me, calling me, whatever it was. But even still, to this day in the NFL, he's still, you know, texting me, calling me, you know, giving me his thoughts and opinions. For me, I, you know, I respect it. Obviously, you know, he's never played at this level, so some of the things it's hard for me to explain to him because, like, I tell other people, he's like, I want you to get the ball first, second, third down, every play. Like, you should be getting the ball. I'm like, it doesn't work like that. I got to run routes, got to run guys off and things like that. So he just wants me to, you know, keep going, keep going. And I get it, but I love him to death.

[Podcast Host 2]

How is his exposure as far as, like, the Netflix receiver and all that? How has he been received by the.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Public People love him, bro. Yeah, I'm in the locker room, I got teammates not even talking about me. They're talking about my dad.

[Kenny Golladay]

Man.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I love your dad, bro. He's awesome. I got Michael Badger telling me he's looking at all the podcasts he's keeping up with him. He loves his sayings. I tell everyone, like, bro, I'm used to it, like every day I can tell you what he's about to say before he even says it. Like, I know exactly what type of guy he is. But the people love him and they love, you know, I think he's, he's raw, he's honest, he's. He's himself, no matter if the camera's or if it's not. And I think people, you know, respect that. But I think his personality is just one of one.

[Podcast Host 1]

What's his go to quote? Like, what is the number one quote of his.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Go to quote? I mean, as a kid there were so many. I feel like he always, you know, reminded us about, you know, decision making. He would tell us something. He would tell us, you know, you can either listen to me or listen to yourself, but if I were you, I would listen to me. That's something he always told us growing up as kids. I mean, there's so many, you know, shoot for the stars because the bottom's overcrowded. I mean, he has so many sayings, then he has these little like one offs. I don't know if you, you guys seen our podcast, but it's like if in a situation arises and something looks too good to be true, be careful. All Kenny looks good before you taste it. Like, there's so many little sayings he has that he always rips out on J.C. yeah, but I'm used to it. I mean, I, I picked up some, some from him too.

[Podcast Host 2]

You brought up the podcast? How long have you guys been doing a podcast?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

We've been doing it going. This is going into our third year now.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

And is it. Do you guys do it weekly or just during the season?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

During the season, every. We record on Tuesdays and it drops on Wednesdays.

[Podcast Host 1]

What's it called?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

It's got the same Brown podcast.

[Podcast Host 1]

Saint Brown podcast. Go check it out.

[Podcast Host 2]

Subscribe.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Rate five stars. Drop comments.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Right.

[Podcast Host 1]

Dude, I love the way you play. I feel like you play pissed off. Which also is.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's the sound of James adding long lasting gain scent boosters to his laundry this morning. Several hours later, James sniffs the irresistible scent of gain on his shirt.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Ah, gain.

[Podcast Host 2]

Several hours later, James has even caught the attention of his mother in law and she never gives him attention.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Oh, you smell amazing, James.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Oh, thanks, mom. I love you too.

[Podcast Host 2]

I never said that. Add gain scent boosters to your laundry.

[Podcast Host 1]

Add joy to your day.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

All I know is what I've been told and that to have truth is a whole lie.

[Narrator/Reporter]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Podcast Host 2]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Narrator/Reporter]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Podcast Host 1]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or.

[Podcast Host 2]

Burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I pour.

[Kenny Golladay]

Gas on her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

From Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

America. Y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone valley. Feed the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and to binge the entire season ad free. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Kenny Golladay]

We had 30 agents ready to go.

[Podcast Host 2]

With shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Narrator/Reporter]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[Kenny Golladay]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Podcast Host 2]

They go, is this your daughter?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who they dare to betray.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Once I saw the gun, I tried.

[Podcast Host 2]

To take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcast.

[Podcast Host 1]

I guess I'll use the word like unexpected. You're a five star cat. You go to usc, you leave early and declare for the Draft, you get drafted. Which round again? Fourth round. But where do you find, where do you feel like you found this chip on your shoulder to play the way that you play?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I think for me it was. I've always been like that. Ever since, you know, I was a kid. I've just been super competitive. Like I've always. And I hated losing. Like, that's the biggest thing for me is whatever I do, I don't want to lose, especially if I'm playing sports, because I love, I love sports. I loved them growing up. Basketball, football, soccer, everything. I hated losing. And so when I got to high school, I played varsity as a sophomore. And I played a little, got hurt, broke my foot. And then my brother was balling out. He was a junior, going crazy. I was like, I can't let my brother outdo me. So then he, you know, next year I'm a junior, he's a senior. I got to do better than him. He was going crazy. He was. I had like 15 touchdowns, over a thousand yards, and I was super happy for him. But I was like, just me being me, like being around my brothers all the time, I got to do better than my brother. So going into my junior year, I was like, I got to do better than him. So we both, you know, had great years. I might have had a little more touch, like a few more stats than him, but it was like neck and neck. He ended up leaving and going to Stanford. And then, you know, I got my senior year at modern day. And at that time I was like a five star or whatever, like you said.

[Podcast Host 1]

And won the state title.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah, we won everything. One of the best teams ever in high school football. But we won the whole thing, you know, did all the camps, the Nike opening and everything. And being at those camps, I just love one on ones. That was the biggest thing for me was doing one on ones. You against the db, what a quarterback. Everyone's watching. And I just, I just love the, the competition aspect of, you know, me versus you. And then ever since, I feel like, you know, high school, going into college, I wanted to play as a freshman. So I was out there as a freshman trying to dog people, whatever I could do. Running people over, blocking, trying to make every catch, taking every rep if I could. And that just kind of translated all the way. And then I got drafted late, I was mad, already got here and same thing over again. I wanted to go dominate.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, there's something about like football players, even when you're having the success you do, they like in a good Way like delusion of making. Being like these people don't believe me. So I'm gonna have a chip on my shoulder, right? With your brother going to Stanford and you guys playing against each other in the PAC 12, the conference formerly known as PAC 12, did you ever think about going to Stanford?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I did. It was between Notre Dame, Stanford and usc. So I had my oldest one to Notre Dame Middle, went to Stanford, then I went to usc. But coming out I was like, I love, I always love Stanford because it was an educational, smart school. I just love Coach Shaw and everyone and then Notre Dame. I didn't really know much about Notre Dame. My brother took a visit and I went with him and I was like, this is pretty cool, like tradition, everything. The location is a little eh. But like once you get there, it's like its own world. The games are amazing, electric. So went to Notre Dame, went on a visit. Love Notre Dame. But I was like, he ended up declaring as I was coming out of high school. So if he would have stayed, I think one more year, I probably would have went to Notre Dame to play with my older brother because I've never played with him. But he ended up declaring to go to the NFL. I was like, you know what, Notre Dame is cool. He just left though. Stanford, they don't really throw the ball. I love the school, but they don't throw as much as I would like. And USC is close to home and I want to keep my talent. Yeah, my talent at home. You are.

[Podcast Host 1]

You mentioned being pissed off being drafted late. There's a. You have a list of receivers that got drafted ahead of you. What are the names on those lists?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You know, I would recite those again for you guys, but you guys probably heard it too many times. You guys are sick of it now. So I can't do that again for you guys.

[Kenny Golladay]

Guys.

[Podcast Host 1]

Now when you were coming out, I know a couple sites like PFF Draft Network, they projected you in like second or third round and talked about you being a pure second string player. Do you ever think, do you ever remember these things now that you've had the success that you do?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You know, I wouldn't say like back, you know, coming out. Obviously. You know, when I first started, when I first got here and I started making some plays. Yeah. But like now is. I feel like I don't really pay too much attention to that. I mean that's their job. They gotta make. Media has to make, you know, predictions, whatever. That's their job. That's what they have to do. I Don't blame them. I don't think they're the best at it, but it is what it is. But now I'm at a point in my career where it's like, I'm worried about. Obviously, I want to play good. Every player wants to play good, but I feel like we just want to win a Super Bowl. That's the biggest thing. Whatever it takes for me as a team to lead, whatever it is to be a good teammate, to make more plays. If I have to go out there and go be super bowl champs, that's the biggest thing I feel like we know we can do as a team. We feel like we got the guys in our. In our building, on our roster, the coaches. We've been here for a while now, and, I mean, we got so close last year that, I mean, we just gotta. We just gotta push a little harder.

[Podcast Host 2]

Will's already talks about the intensity you play with and everything. The. The competitive nature. When you're in the locker room with guys in the wide receiver room is a dramatic room. It can be very, like, finicky that way. When you see guys maybe not putting in the same effort as you, how do you approach it from a leadership standpoint?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You know, sometimes it's tough for me. I feel like I don't want to. I don't want the teammates to think I'm, you know, being tough on them or I don't like them. So that's kind of something that I've been trying to battle right now, is when to speak up and when not to, because I'm not. I'm not a guy that's a hoorah guy. I'm a go out there. I don't say much. I like to work. I'd rather show you better than I can tell you. But, you know, if something is out of line and I feel like I need to speak up, I'll speak up. But, you know, if someone's not working hard on the field, I feel like with our practice, it's kind of hard not to work hard. When everyone's working hard. You'll kind of be like the odd man now if you're not doing the right thing. So I feel like our coaches and teammates, everyone does a great job of pushing each other, so that's not really a problem we have here. But like I said, if something is really out of line, then I'll speak up. But for the most part, I just like to show the guys how I work and, you know, let my play to the talking.

[Podcast Host 1]

Do you find Yourself, like, focusing on developing into that, like, more of a vocal leader now that, like, when you're a guy, like, obviously your voice carries more weight, right?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah. Like I said, something I've been working on because my whole life, I haven't really been a vocal leader. Um, that's not something that I thrive in. You know, I feel like some guys talk too much, and that's really. That's not the guy I want to be. I want to be a guy that when I do say something, you know, people are listening. So it just hasn't been me, but it's something I definitely need to work on and get better at is being more vocal. But like I said, I don't want to be redundant as someone that's speaking too much. The worst for me. So, like, I'll speak up if I have to, but something has to really be going wrong for me to speak up.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

USC going to the Big Ten this year. How do you feel the boys in California stack up against a real Big Ten ball?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You know, I love the move. We're not. We're not worried about the Big Ten, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Let's unpack that for a second. National champions.

[Podcast Host 1]

You guys got to take a lot. A lot of long flights.

[Podcast Host 2]

Long flights.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

All Michigan wants to do is run it. Like, just pack the box. They can't throw. Make them throw. We'll be good.

[Podcast Host 2]

Every team they played against did that, and they lost to.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Everybody's gone now.

[Podcast Host 2]

They lost eight guys who. They lost eight dudes, right?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Michigan did.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Well, actually, they lost 15 guys because they all got drafted. Even guys. Even guys.

[Penei Sewell]

It's over.

[Podcast Host 2]

What are you talking about? We just reload. What's USC doing?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Don't worry. We got Lincoln, Riley.

[Podcast Host 2]

Do you guys. Do you guys promote painting your fingernails in California? Is that, like, a big thing?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

No, we don't promote anything. If you want to do it, go ahead. You know I love that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, that's a good PC answer by you. So you guys think you guys are going to run the Big Ten? No problem.

[Narrator/Reporter]

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[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

All I know is what I've been told. And that's a half truth is a whole lie.

[Narrator/Reporter]

For almost a decade, the murder of an 18 year old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky went unsolved until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I'm telling you, we know Quincy killed her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

We know a story that law enforcement used to convict six people and that got the citizen investigator on national tv.

[Podcast Host 2]

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran.

[Narrator/Reporter]

My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist producer, and I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find.

[Podcast Host 1]

I did not know her and I did not kill her or rape or.

[Podcast Host 2]

Burn or any of that other stuff that y' all said.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her.

[Narrator/Reporter]

From Lava for Good. This is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system will go in order to find someone to blame.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

America, y' all better wake the hell up. Bad things happens to good people and small towns.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Listen to Graves county in the Bone Valley feed on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts. In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia.

[Kenny Golladay]

We had 30 agents ready to go.

[Podcast Host 2]

With shotguns and rifles and you name it.

[Narrator/Reporter]

But what they find is not what they expected.

[Kenny Golladay]

Basically, your stay at home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin.

[Podcast Host 2]

They go, is this your daughter?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I said, yes. They go, oh, you may not see her for like 25 years.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Caught between a federal investigation and the violent gang who recruited them, the women must decide who they're willing to protect and who, who they dare to betray.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Once I saw the gun, I tried.

[Podcast Host 2]

To take his hand and I saw the flash of light.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Listen to the Chinatown sting on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I don't know if we're gonna run it, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be fun. I know Michigan's done like, they had their one shot. It's over with.

[Podcast Host 2]

That is a wild it's done wild statement coming from you. Half of your fans are Michigan fans?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

No, they're Detroit Lions. Fans. And if you're not a USC fan, there's a problem.

[Podcast Host 2]

Are you gonna go to the game September 21st?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I wish. We have. We actually have an away game.

[Podcast Host 2]

That sucks, dude. Because that would be.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

It would have been lit.

[Podcast Host 2]

For you to see that kind of experience would be unbelievable. You probably never seen anything like.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

What kind of experience are you talking about?

[Podcast Host 2]

The biggest stadium in North America, the third biggest in the world.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I actually took an official to Michigan when I was coming out of high school. Michigan. Michigan State. Raining. Don't do it crazy. Michigan State 1. I'm like, I can't go here. That was 2017.

[Penei Sewell]

They won, bro.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Michigan raining like crazy. I'm from. I'm from Southern California. I'm like, this rain is ridiculous. Number one, I couldn't catch a ball on this. Then I'm like. And they lost. Vibes were low. Recruiting coordinator wasn't feeling. I'm good, bro.

[Podcast Host 1]

Was the stadium loud?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

No.

[Penei Sewell]

No.

[Podcast Host 2]

Why are you doing this, man? Getting a rapport together.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I love it.

[Podcast Host 1]

I love the back and forth.

[Podcast Host 2]

I can't wait till September 20th. Keep your DMs open. I will be there after that game. I will be ready right now. Yes.

[Podcast Host 1]

Dude, what did it mean for you to be the youngest receiver to amass a thousand yards? I think it was eight days before Calvin Johnson.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

It was cool. I mean.

[Podcast Host 1]

I mean, that's a. That's a.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

It is.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's dope. That's not just cool. That's awesome, right?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I mean, Calvin's arguably one of the best receivers to ever play. So for me, like, being in, you know, playing for the Lions, everything you do is compared to Calvin, which is. It's great, but it's also tough. Like, he's the best. One of the best to ever do it. So it's an honor to be, you know, even considered, you know, being the same conversation as him. But he did it for so long, and I feel like. I mean, I see pictures on Twitter of him when he was playing the Saints. It's him on the goal line with literally two DBs on him. You don't see that anymore anywhere. Like, that just shows you how, you know, how dominant he was. So just to, you know, being, like I said, in the same conversation as him is. Is an honor, but I got to keep going, man. He was. He was a. He was a beast.

[Podcast Host 1]

What receivers do you keep your eye on now? Like, in your. In your brain? Who's, like, the top three?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You're not going to get me on a top three. I'M not going to give you no top three. But guys I like to watch podcast.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Polished guys that I like to. I watch a bunch of guys, honestly. I mean, I can go down the list.

[Podcast Host 2]

We do a top three. Guys like to watch.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Top three guys I like to watch. We can do that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Top three guys. This is not my top three, by the way. But the guys I like to watch Devonte Adams. Love watching him. I'm gonna go Keenan Allen. Last one. Let's just go. I'm gonna go Justin Jefferson. Since he's in our division, we play him twice a year.

[Penei Sewell]

We watch.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

We play the same team. So we get to see on film, you know, a lot of the stuff that they do. And he's a lot on the tape a lot. So he's a. He's nice.

[Podcast Host 1]

This is top three.

[Podcast Host 2]

Top three.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Not my top three.

[Podcast Host 2]

Top three wide receivers. I'm Ross St. Brown. Things. Ja' Marr Chase is overrated.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Incorrect.

[Podcast Host 2]

What fun question.

[Podcast Host 1]

We have one more minute.

[Podcast Host 2]

Should we do a segment? Should we do shout out for. Shout out real quick or are we holding that? What was a twisted question.

[Podcast Host 1]

It was. Are you familiar with the. Was American Ninja Warrior? American Ninja Warrior. All right, Say you need to get through the course and tap the button on the other side. To save the world. Who in the locker room would you trust the most to accomplish the American Ninja Warrior obstacle course?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Ooh, to save the world.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's a great question, Sherm.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Do I know what kind of obstacles there are?

[Podcast Host 2]

Like the main course.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Does weight, speed, does that stuff matter?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Like you have to be fast.

[Podcast Host 1]

I think so. Like it's a jungle gym out there.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I was going to say balance.

[Podcast Host 1]

I was going to speed. I don't think Panay would. I think we're all dead. I think we're all dead.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Let me go.

[Podcast Host 2]

Gives might be. Would be a good one.

[Podcast Host 1]

You gotta climb. You gotta climb. You got balance, jumping, timing.

[Penei Sewell]

Right, right.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Let me hold on.

[Podcast Host 2]

Aiden Hutchinson. But he's white.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, I don't think you can trust a white guy.

[Podcast Host 2]

You can't trust a white guy with the fate of the world. He'd be too big athletic sport. There's no shot.

[Podcast Host 1]

Khalif Raymond might have a shot.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, Khalif.

[Podcast Host 1]

He is bro.

[Podcast Host 2]

You have to wear up the ramp and he is shorter.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

He's fast, though.

[Podcast Host 1]

He's got a little spring to him. He's got a little explosiveness.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Well, this is not our. We don't have for sure.

[Podcast Host 1]

It could be you.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I would say Besides me. Khalif is great. But you already said that, so I'm gonna go someone else. Can I do David Montgomery?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, Absolutely. Yes.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

That's a great.

[Podcast Host 2]

He's built like a running back. Creative player in NCAA 14.

[Podcast Host 1]

Sneaky. Picking fantasy, too. For everybody listening, Beast, throw the ball at him.

[Podcast Host 2]

He doesn't catch a lot of balls.

[Podcast Host 1]

You don't need to. You can run the rock with that.

[Podcast Host 2]

You. If you're playing PPR league, You. I don't know.

[Podcast Host 1]

I had him last year. He was nice.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Going crazy. Touchdowns.

[Podcast Host 1]

He's going crazy.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

How many times? Like 12 or 13.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes. After week one of the season last year, I was done with him. I had him over. He was. He was 0.5.

[Penei Sewell]

What do you mean?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

With David.

[Podcast Host 2]

I needed him. Why?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I need him to catch it.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because that's what I bet on.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Oh, you're betting.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

We don't do that.

[Podcast Host 2]

I know that's. But I'm. I'm bringing this into it.

[Podcast Host 1]

Do you play fantasy?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

No, I do not.

[Penei Sewell]

You can play.

[Podcast Host 2]

You can play fantasy.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I don't play, though.

[Podcast Host 2]

Okay.

[Kenny Golladay]

I'm sorry.

[Podcast Host 2]

That Michigan stuff really bothered you, huh? About that Michigan stuff. It's all right, dude. Go blue. And we appreciate you so much for coming out. We love seeing your success.

[Penei Sewell]

Appreciate it.

[Podcast Host 1]

You're amazing.

[Podcast Host 2]

Check those DMs.

[Podcast Host 1]

Saint Brown podcast.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 1]

You guys. Hey. Matter of fact, September 21st.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Taylor, you should go on St. Brown Pod that week after.

[Podcast Host 2]

If you guys want to talk, we can talk. Absolutely.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You sure?

[Podcast Host 2]

But come correct.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You better come correct.

[Podcast Host 2]

What are you talking about? I have the 2024 national champs on my back.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

You or the team last year? Are you part. Were you part of the team?

[Podcast Host 2]

No, but I am.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I was just wondering, would you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Would you all win at the usc?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

What did we win?

[Podcast Host 2]

Well, yeah.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

How many Heisman do you guys have? Okay. I was just wondering, how many do you have?

[Podcast Host 2]

I know. That's for sure.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Reggie just got his back to us.

[Podcast Host 2]

I mean, you guys in 2000s for real. That's the team to go to. But it's the 20s.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

It's fine.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't want to do this. I think you don't want to do. We don't want to do this.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Like Michigan.

[Podcast Host 2]

I'll see you on your podcast the.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Week I'll see September. So 21st is Saturday.

[Podcast Host 2]

That week.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Three days after that, the 24th. We'll see you.

[Podcast Host 2]

All right. Okay.

[Podcast Host 1]

There we go. We got one done right before you leave. Top three locker room guys in Detroit.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Locker room. Guys. What?

[Podcast Host 1]

Like locker room vibes?

[Kenny Golladay]

Who.

[Podcast Host 1]

You get it when? After practice, before whatever. You're excited to go in locker room, man.

[Podcast Host 2]

Graham Glass is awesome. He's got a touch of the tism. He's awesome.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I'm going Jamar Jefferson.

[Kenny Golladay]

Okay.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I love my running backs, but he's. I'm gonna take Jamar Jefferson. Who's Khalif Raymond? Who else is next to me? Vibes, Kirby, Joseph.

[Podcast Host 1]

I love it. Friendships just got divided. If the boys listen to this pod, no question.

[Podcast Host 2]

We appreciate you coming on.

[Podcast Host 1]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Enjoy camp.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yes, sir.

[Podcast Host 2]

You are the man.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Are we rolling right now? Some people might not know you for. Is that you're a fan of beer games. Championship at the world. I heard.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, as soon as I heard my teammate Graham Glasgow was participating, I had to. I had to check in and see how it went.

[Podcast Host 2]

I heard you won a bid for.

[Podcast Host 1]

2025 CN are you in?

[Kenny Golladay]

I have to check my calendar.

[Podcast Host 2]

You don't know the date, so there's no. We don't.

[Podcast Host 1]

Hey. But it's smart that he says check the calendar with all the shit that happen.

[Kenny Golladay]

And if I. If I'm off and I have time, I'd like a bid. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

How do you think you'd fare in those. That type of situation?

[Kenny Golladay]

Not great. I'm. I'm an okay beer drinker. I'm not like a. Like an all star, but I'd have fun. I need, like, a good teammate.

[Podcast Host 2]

What was your best. Let me.

[Kenny Golladay]

Let me and Graham show up. We might do some damage.

[Podcast Host 1]

You definitely should get an O lineman.

[Penei Sewell]

Right.

[Podcast Host 1]

They all. They all perform very well.

[Kenny Golladay]

I'm good at flip cup. I can do beer pong. Like the chugging thing. I'd get smoked, but I'd do it, but I get smoked.

[Podcast Host 1]

What do you think you could put. How fast you think you put down? 32, 36 ounces?

[Podcast Host 2]

36.

[Podcast Host 1]

36.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, I saw you guys doing that. What'd you do in like five, six seconds?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

I probably. I don't know, 12 to 15, 20 seconds.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

I don't know.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm in the same category. Yeah, we're in the same tier.

[Podcast Host 2]

13. Honestly, hearing us, like, lack of confidence. I don't think you're smoking them because you get better every year.

[Podcast Host 1]

Thank you.

[Kenny Golladay]

You look like the type of guy who can just like kind of open your throat and that thing just. Just let it right to your stomach.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yes.

[Kenny Golladay]

I can't do that.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's a. It's been a gift my whole entire Life.

[Kenny Golladay]

There you go. There you go.

[Podcast Host 2]

It's been a special good for you. Yeah, it was fun. When Graham texted me and said that you were. You're interested in doing it. I looked at my phone, I was so excited. And then I didn't text him back at all. And so he actually just called me out of it after practice today.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, yeah, he's sensitive.

[Podcast Host 2]

He's a sensitive boy.

[Kenny Golladay]

He's very sensitive.

[Podcast Host 2]

He is. But the best part about Graham is he's consistently himself through every situation.

[Kenny Golladay]

Thousand percent.

[Podcast Host 2]

He doesn't change.

[Kenny Golladay]

He's one of my favorite teammates of all time.

[Podcast Host 2]

Is he really?

[Kenny Golladay]

And don't tell him I said that, but yeah, he's one of my favorite teammates.

[Podcast Host 2]

If you were to give me off the top of your head, not putting a whole lot of things into it, so we have an insurance policy. What would be your top three teammates of all time?

[Kenny Golladay]

Of all time.

[Podcast Host 2]

Because you've had, you've had some good teammates.

[Kenny Golladay]

I mean, I'm going to lean towards like the funniest guys I've been around and Graham's one of them.

[Podcast Host 1]

Smart.

[Kenny Golladay]

Graham's one of them. Probably like Tavon Austin used to kill me. I was with him for a couple years in la. Shoot favorites. I mean, that's hard. I know. Tavon was funny as hell. I love Tavon. So I'll put him as a two or three and then, you know, David Montgomery makes me laugh a lot here. Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Is he jokester on the team?

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, he's hilarious. He's funny, but like very subtle humor and really funny.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Should we ask him what we asked an A?

[Podcast Host 2]

The tear talk?

[Podcast Host 1]

No. About Coach Campbell.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, sure.

[Podcast Host 1]

He's such a beloved character. Everybody is a beloved or beloved.

[Podcast Host 2]

Beloved.

[Podcast Host 1]

Everybody loves him. Any clip you see, he's a football guy through and through. We asked what is your biggest pet peeve with him?

[Kenny Golladay]

Oh, gosh, you know, I'll just, I'll toe the company line here. Just how consistent he is.

[Podcast Host 1]

So today was saying in team meetings he'll get long winded, pause and take a break for like a minute. Yeah, three minutes long.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Sure.

[Kenny Golladay]

That's a good answer. That's a better answer than I gave. He's just so dang consistent. He's hard to keep up with.

[Podcast Host 1]

You know, we're not going to get anything out of him.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, no doubt. That is tough. That's a great politically correct answer.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, it's true. But yeah, I wish I had something better.

[Podcast Host 2]

What I want to, I definitely want to dive into like obviously la Coming here and then the playoff game you guys had. But like starting with the fan bases.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

What is the biggest difference you notice from like this Midwest fan base compared to that west coast fan base?

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, it's entirely different. Obviously you played at Michigan, so you have a little bit of a feel for it. Like the people around here just live, breathe, die football. And in L. A, there's just a lot of things to do that aren't football and whether it's other sports or the beach or, you know, going to dinner, a million things. But around here, man, it's. It's football and we got. The whole state is Lions fans. And in California, obviously there's a bunch of teams, so it's entirely different. And it's a lot of fun to play for.

[Podcast Host 1]

D. What was the ride like when you guys are bringing that division title here?

[Kenny Golladay]

Fun, fun. Really fun. It really started in like 2022 when we were able to like kind of turn it around a little bit. We had that Thanksgiving game at home against the Bills is kind of when I first saw the stadium kind of flip and like, oh, this is what it could be like if we kept winning and kept making plays and, and we did through that year and then obviously last year. It's been insane. It's been so fun. The stadium has got to be one of the loudest stadiums in the league now. And how much they care and, and how much they bring. It's fun.

[Podcast Host 1]

It felt like basically everybody was rooting for you guys, especially when you won the division town. You saw the, the stadium's reaction. Yeah, I feel like everybody else around the country was buying into the Lions.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, it did. It felt good. I wouldn't have known until the offseason had a lot of people being like, hey man, my team was out of it, so I was rooting for you guys. All right, thanks. But yeah, our fans deserve it, man. They've been through a lot here and we were able to give them a little slice of joy last year and weren't able to finish it off like we wanted to, but it was, it was a fun ride.

[Podcast Host 2]

They mean to the playing the Rams in the playoffs, first meeting, Stafford's coming back, he's getting booed in the building. It's essentially it's a get back game for both of you guys because everyone who goes place for a team, they leave, go somewhere else. Ben Jones is always the guy comes to mind. He played for the Texans, came to the Titans, and every time we played the Texans, it just meant a little bit More like, what was that week like for you leading up to that with everything on the line?

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, it was. It was. Certainly. There was emotions with it, and that was the battle for me was to kind of fight those and focus on what was important and winning the game. And that became easy, really, when I just thought about, like, what that game meant to this city, kind of what we had just talked about, and these fans, like, sure, it was important for me, and there was a lot of storylines for myself, but these guys, you know, around here, we haven't won a playoff game in 30 something years. It was so much bigger than me. And that was easy for me to, like, focus on that instead and take a lot of the, you know, pressure or whatever off of. Off of my performance in the game and just go out there and play.

[Podcast Host 1]

Does that kind of happen, like, once you just kind of complete your first pass and get into it? It did, because I would assume, yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

Pregame was weird and, like, the Channing and like, all that. There was, like, a lot of stuff going on. And, like, you know, I've seen a lot of my former teammates and a lot of my good friends, former coaches, and, you know, you're gonna see them, but, like, until you see them and have those moments, you're like, all right, I gotta go through that and see these guys. And. But, yeah, once the first snap and through the first completion, it was. It was all go from there.

[Podcast Host 2]

What was it feeling like being traded in the situation? Yeah, I mean, you took the ramps to the super bowl, you guys had a lot of success, and then they're essentially. The Lions are giving up Stafford and they're taking you. How was. What was your, like, thought process going? Is there a morning process at all?

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, there was. It was. It was certainly a shock at first. You know, there wasn't much conversation had with me, and I've. I've told this story 100 times, but I. There. There was just no true communication. And there's been a lot of. A lot of talk since then, which has mended some of that, but there wasn't much communication. So it came as a shock. And then, you know, as soon as. As soon as I talked to Brad and Dan, which was that night, it flipped very quickly into, like, wow, what an opportunity I have here to be on the ground floor of something so special and something that could be, you know, what we hope to build this into, which is super bowl champ. And we feel like we've had some success and done a lot of that, but the. The opportunity Piece that quickly came in after talking to those guys completely changed my mentality.

[Podcast Host 1]

I was just gonna say it always sucks when you, you, you finally taste like the teeth of the business. It almost doesn't matter what level. Like you're, you were a high paid quarterback for la. They were bought into you, like even being a, a lower tier guy, not getting resigned by your team. There's always like once you taste that or you get cut and you realize how much of a business it is and how much lack of conversation actually happens, it kind of like you're kind of like shunned by it.

[Kenny Golladay]

I think it's made me less naive, you know, I think, I think when I was younger, like it was like, oh, they love me, you know, we signed the extension, you know, here we go, we're going to be together for 15 years and everyone thinks that, right. And you know, eventually that that changes. And I think it's a lot of my perspective to be much better on what it is and the relationships are important and you, and it is family and you love your guys. But then the day you do know that there are powers that be that will do what is in their, in their minds best for the team.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

With one thing I've noticed being at, at this facility and during practice, a lot of people are saying Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl. And usually a team that has a success, success the way you did, it's all but like everyone's kind of afraid to say they want to win a championship. What makes it so easy in this building to make it so, like freely said, because a lot of times.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, we, I know, I know what you mean. We tasted it last year. I think last year before we had won our first playoff game in 30 years. There was like, hey, we need to get into the playoffs and win the playoff game. Which was absolutely the goal last year and it's still the goal now. But I think with that being said, we do know we are capable of more, you know, and we'll be extremely disappointed if we're unable to accomplish either of those goals. But it is win the division, get in the dance, win a playoff game, you know, certainly control your home destiny and then win a Super Bowl. And we're not afraid to say that, like you said. And I think it's because, you know, we did taste it last year.

[Penei Sewell]

We were right there.

[Kenny Golladay]

We had, we had played a good game against San Francisco. They played just a little bit better and were able to beat us.

[Podcast Host 2]

Let's just say hypothetically speaking, you guys haven't tasted the playoffs for 30 years.

[Penei Sewell]

Right.

[Podcast Host 2]

Last year, let's just say you get in the first round of the playoffs and you guys won the division, but you lose the first round of playoffs. Are you still saying, hey, successful season, like, we've last year off of our back? Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

Like, no.

[Podcast Host 2]

You're not thinking that.

[Kenny Golladay]

Gosh, no, no. It was winning a playoff game.

[Podcast Host 2]

Winning a playoff game.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. They had been to the playoffs here in the last, I don't know how many years when it was the last time, but since I've been here, we hadn't been, but we. It was winning a playoff game and sure, we were able to get that monkey off our back, but once we, you know, won that first playoff game, it was like, let's go win the Super Bowl.

[Podcast Host 2]

Right.

[Kenny Golladay]

And that was our goal for those next following three weeks. And we came up short.

[Penei Sewell]

And.

[Kenny Golladay]

And so then the last six months has been, let's go win a Super Bowl.

[Podcast Host 1]

Would you. Would you cut your dick off for a Super bowl, man?

[Podcast Host 2]

Hard hitting question.

[Kenny Golladay]

You know, I, I know that's what Variable said he would do. I'd like to. I like to think that I have enough life ability to do it without doing that.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

I have the belief in myself that I don't have to do that. So I'm going to say no because I'm going to do it without having to do that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Well said. Well said. How about a pinky toe?

[Kenny Golladay]

Oh, I don't know if I'd be able. Because I would be able to play after that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like, but you know, you get a Super Bowl.

[Kenny Golladay]

No, because again, like, I got my pinky toe. I could, I can win. I can win a few more.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Modern medicine, technology.

[Kenny Golladay]

Put a sew back on.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

If you told me I can sew it back on, can I sew it back on?

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, sure. All right, then I can keep playing.

[Podcast Host 1]

All right.

[Kenny Golladay]

And I'll go, hopefully win more.

[Podcast Host 2]

I love that.

[Podcast Host 1]

Those are my questions.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's all you have?

[Podcast Host 1]

That's all I had.

[Podcast Host 2]

Do you?

[Kenny Golladay]

I'm sewing the pinky toe back on, just to be clear.

[Podcast Host 2]

So you're sewing the team.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. Not, not, not the other deal.

[Podcast Host 2]

I don't know how familiar with Bustle Boys we have segments and a segment is called shout out. No franchise. Every shout out. And usually it's just like the simple pleasures in life. Like, you know, someone brought up a good one. The other day, it was like at school and it's the cold water fountain. Like, that's a shout out no free shout out. But we're gonna get a little more specific because we are training camp. So I want to hear shout out. No free shout outs to like, little pleasures of training camp. We can go first, break the ice a little bit. But I wanted you to.

[Kenny Golladay]

I got a good one. I thought about it today.

[Podcast Host 2]

Did you really?

[Kenny Golladay]

Sorry if I'm.

[Podcast Host 2]

This is.

[Kenny Golladay]

And this is so on the nose for busting with the boys. But like the downtime, the in between meetings, like, coaches are watching film, we're down. We're either eating lunch or we're just doing nothing. Just hanging like with the boys. And I know it's like so on the nose, but like today earlier we had, you know, half hour to kill when the quarterback room just kind of hanging, talking, chatting, doing nothing. And that. Those are the best times.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think camaraderie. We can't beat camaraderie.

[Kenny Golladay]

Can't beat it. And this is when it's built. And I do think Dan is aware of that and knows we have downtime and hopes we're building that camaraderie.

[Podcast Host 2]

I love it.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm gonna say when you get a surprise practice off the entire team, like you do the morning practice and they cancel walkthrough in the afternoon.

[Kenny Golladay]

We have yet to have that. And I'm not just started.

[Podcast Host 1]

You guys just started. Oh, you've yet to have it since.

[Kenny Golladay]

Since I've been a lion.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh.

[Kenny Golladay]

So I don't think that's in the cards for. For us.

[Podcast Host 1]

But just know that players love. Players do love it when you practice in the morning and then they cancel walkthrough in the afternoon just for anybody. Coach Campbell listening.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, that is a hell of a one. I have two. And I hate to be an attention whore. One is. One is rookie antics in the sense that, like, you get into the dog days of camp and then in the morning you and a veteran kind of hit a rookie with, hey, I heard today's movie day practice is going to be canceled. And then you kind of just plant that seed. And then slowly but surely during like while the team meetings taking place before practice, there becomes like a, hey, do you hear? Someone will come to you here. We might have a movie day today. And just watching that rumor spread, knowing good and well that's not going to happen. But you kind of just ruined the team's entire practice. That is fun.

[Podcast Host 1]

And I enjoy like ruining stuff. Like you ever saw thing this morning.

[Podcast Host 2]

You were a fun joke. It's a fun joke.

[Kenny Golladay]

You ever start a fight on purpose? Try to get practice canceled.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, joint practice.

[Kenny Golladay]

You personally.

[Podcast Host 2]

Joint practice. There's been a couple. You got a couple push and shoves and you're just hoping that things get so out of hand that they're like, we're done. Or guys in the weight room get a pump and you're like, yeah, that's really going to hurt my feelings. Getting a bump right now.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

My other shout out is cloud coverage.

[Kenny Golladay]

Oh, yeah, we've had.

[Podcast Host 2]

Any time you get outside and it's in the 80s dog days. You're in the high 80s.

[Kenny Golladay]

That's a good one.

[Podcast Host 2]

And then all of a sudden clouds just start rolling through and you have a nice breeze during practice. Like that is a godsend.

[Kenny Golladay]

We've had two of those in a row now and it's been. We don't. We're not counting on them. This heat's coming, the humidity is coming. But we've had two. Two good ones.

[Podcast Host 2]

The weather today was nice.

[Kenny Golladay]

Perfect.

[Podcast Host 1]

Kind of spoiled that first cold water on a hot day.

[Podcast Host 2]

But we're just doing the little luxuries of life.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah. Let's keep it going.

[Podcast Host 2]

What's that?

[Podcast Host 1]

The salt. Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think it's a fun prank that kind of lives. And I'm a nasty boy. But when you're at a Taylor's.

[Podcast Host 1]

We were at breakfast today and Taylor like unscrewed the salt to leave it all over the next person was. But not for any of the boys, like any of the friends. It was just for whoever was going to show up next to in our cafeteria. No, no.

[Podcast Host 2]

That would have been funny too, though. Yeah, that would have been fun. Is that seeing you're laughing?

[Podcast Host 1]

Well, yeah. Cuz you're around training camp like you're around the fellas, but we're talking just, you know, another family. That's.

[Kenny Golladay]

Oh, no, that's not good.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, that's. It's the way you framed it.

[Kenny Golladay]

No, if you're just.

[Podcast Host 2]

I think it's funny if you're just doing it funny.

[Kenny Golladay]

If you're just doing it, like to leave some chaos behind you. That's not cool now if you're doing it to your buddy. Yeah, it's great.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Were explaining it.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, you guys are right.

[Podcast Host 1]

But it reminded me because it's like the same. Same thing you're.

[Podcast Host 2]

I almost did. I almost did it to you at lunch.

[Podcast Host 1]

With what though?

[Podcast Host 2]

The ketchup could have been that JP and I were in the corner kind of talking about the salt thing and then everyone was so hangry. I thought it's going to ruin everything.

[Podcast Host 1]

Shout out. No free shout out.

[Podcast Host 2]

Go ahead.

[Podcast Host 1]

When you get a small enough injury that you know it's not that bad, but you get to miss a day of practice. Hey, is that not.

[Kenny Golladay]

I've never had one of those, but yeah, I can see. I can see that being up.

[Podcast Host 1]

They get to wear the jersey.

[Kenny Golladay]

I can see that being up your alley, though.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Penei Sewell]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

Shout out. No free shout out. Coach pulling you to the side and being like, we're gonna temper a couple reps for you today.

[Podcast Host 1]

Shout out. Novi. Shout out. You're in the preseason game. You think you're playing and coach like, hey, take your pick.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, that's the best one. That is the best.

[Podcast Host 1]

Like a surprise one too.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yes, that's a good one.

[Podcast Host 2]

God, dude, Shadow. No free shout out. When you're done playing in a preseason game and the boys have the pads up and you're eating the seeds and you have the best seats in the house.

[Podcast Host 1]

I know, but you kind of have to sneak it because you don't want to disrespect what's happening out there.

[Podcast Host 2]

No, you're just. You're chat with the boys and you're watching at the bucket hat on the guys.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, for sure. I'm with you. I'm with you.

[Podcast Host 2]

When that guy comes, you just got to get a little more vertical. You're fine.

[Kenny Golladay]

The home preseason game at 1 o' clock is a good one.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yes.

[Podcast Host 2]

The home preseason.

[Kenny Golladay]

We have one of those this year. I think it's the last one. That's a good one.

[Podcast Host 1]

One hot dogs at halftime.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. Cross the bulls.

[Podcast Host 1]

You're not a hot dog guy.

[Kenny Golladay]

I mean, I don't want to.

[Podcast Host 1]

You're not a glizzy. You're not.

[Kenny Golladay]

No, I like hot dogs.

[Podcast Host 1]

Glizzies.

[Kenny Golladay]

I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Like while the guys are.

[Podcast Host 2]

You go in the equipment room.

[Podcast Host 1]

I'm saying the halftime. You go back to the equipment.

[Penei Sewell]

You're hiding.

[Podcast Host 1]

You're hiding some hot dogs.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah. You're hiding it and it's gone.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. Were you doing that?

[Podcast Host 1]

What do you mean?

[Kenny Golladay]

Well, you bet.

[Podcast Host 1]

Hang on.

[Kenny Golladay]

Time out.

[Podcast Host 1]

Time, hon. Hang. I want to know what he means by the question. He could be meaning, like, did you get off time during your preseason game? Is that what you meant? You dude.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

No.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, I had a couple years there. Why I didn't get in some preseason games now.

[Kenny Golladay]

No, I'm kidding.

[Podcast Host 1]

No, I do.

[Kenny Golladay]

I do like the hot dogs.

[Podcast Host 1]

All right, good.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. The C guys hook you up it's nice.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah, man. Hey, why Cal?

[Kenny Golladay]

Well, I grew up in the Bay.

[Podcast Host 1]

Did nobody else offer you?

[Kenny Golladay]

I only had three offers.

[Podcast Host 2]

Fresno State.

[Kenny Golladay]

It was Cal. It was Fresno State and Boise State, ed. 4 in Washington State, and both my parents went to Cal, so I grew up a Cal fan. And yeah, that was kind of the only option I had. That was good academics, I guess.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah, that's way to put it.

[Podcast Host 1]

Were you like a. A small, lankier kid that just didn't have this?

[Kenny Golladay]

I was, yeah. Yeah, I was.

[Penei Sewell]

I was.

[Kenny Golladay]

I was like. I was like £185. Played as a true freshman there and was like, so skinny.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

Great place. Berkeley's awesome.

[Kenny Golladay]

It's cool.

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Never been.

[Podcast Host 1]

It's gorgeous out there.

[Podcast Host 2]

Never been. Golden Bears.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah, there you go.

[Podcast Host 2]

Extinct acc.

[Kenny Golladay]

Cow bears.

[Podcast Host 1]

They're in the ACC now.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. Are they really trying to play Miami and North Carolina?

[Podcast Host 1]

That kind of sucks, right?

[Podcast Host 2]

That's a lot of flying.

[Kenny Golladay]

A lot of flying.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's a lot of flying.

[Kenny Golladay]

Tough. You guys. You guys just get to stick in the Big Ten and just keep on rolling. All these other guys had to move.

[Podcast Host 2]

When you run the country, brother, you do what you want.

[Kenny Golladay]

That's right. Okay.

[Podcast Host 2]

Hey, speaking of, you're in a state that's very divided from a college standpoint. Who do you side with, Michigan or Michigan State?

[Kenny Golladay]

Michigan.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

No, and that was not just because you're sitting here.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

And I. It's just because where I live and nearby here, it's a lot of. A lot of Michigan alum.

[Podcast Host 2]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

And so I don't. I really don't know many Michigan State alum personally.

[Podcast Host 2]

There's not a whole bunch of them. I'll be honest with you.

[Kenny Golladay]

They don't. They don't graduate.

[Podcast Host 2]

Have you usually drop out.

[Podcast Host 1]

You got a relationship with Eminem?

[Kenny Golladay]

I've. I've. I met him once here at practice and then saw him at the draft night, and that's about it. But, yeah, he's been great to me.

[Podcast Host 1]

You're more of a kid rock guy.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. Kids crazy. No, kid's great. I don't have. I have a similar relationship with both of them. I've chatted a couple times.

[Podcast Host 2]

Their phone numbers.

[Kenny Golladay]

No.

[Podcast Host 1]

Have you listened to new album?

[Kenny Golladay]

Eminem?

[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

I think it's good.

[Podcast Host 1]

Favorite song.

[Kenny Golladay]

I like it. I think it's called Bad.

[Podcast Host 1]

Bad one, yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

Bad one, yeah.

[Podcast Host 2]

That one.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host 1]

That's a good one.

[Podcast Host 2]

That's a solid one. Real quick. The skit you did with those semi pro kids.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, we're getting the fingers.

[Podcast Host 2]

Oh, we are.

[Podcast Host 1]

Just say we can get this one.

[Podcast Host 2]

We'll get this one off.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah, we get this.

[Kenny Golladay]

We're good.

[Penei Sewell]

Yeah, we get this one.

[Podcast Host 2]

How hard was it for you to buy into that and not just tell everybody that, hey, listen, I'm a professional football player.

[Kenny Golladay]

Yeah. Dude, it was crazy. Like, they. The whole week they had set cameras there to try to, like, tell them they were on, like, some sort of last chance. You. I guess. And so it was. There were fake cameras. So then when I showed up, it wasn't like, all of a sudden there was cameras. And. Yeah, I get there and. And I. I thought. To be honest, I thought, like, it was gonna get sniffed out quicker, but I had a bunch of, like, stuff on my face and a couple kids did, like, kind of figure it out pretty quickly, but most of them didn't. And. And the best was messing around with the quarterbacks because that's kind of like the comments that I was giving them is comments I've received.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

Are you the punter? Like, are you. Oh, you know, that's why they brought me here, like, for. From, like, transfers or whatnot.

[Podcast Host 1]

Yeah.

[Kenny Golladay]

And so it was really easy to act out because it was all stuff I've kind of experienced and it was funny. It was. It was good.

[Podcast Host 2]

It was an elite. It was an elite. You did a good job.

[Kenny Golladay]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host 2]

Did it. Very nice. We appreciate you coming on. I know. We're getting.

[Kenny Golladay]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host 2]

We're getting the finger.

[Podcast Host 1]

We're getting the finger. Just let you know you are on the radar to make. To make the team this year.

[Kenny Golladay]

Thank you. Appreciate that.

[Podcast Host 1]

The one at the end of the year.

[Kenny Golladay]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, it's fun.

[Podcast Host 1]

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[Amon-Ra St. Brown]

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