Best of the Bus: Jelly Roll Opens Up About His Health & Pressures Of Success

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys: Jelly Roll Opens Up About His Health & Pressures Of Success

Podcast: Bussin' With The Boys
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Guest: Jelly Roll
Episode: Best of the Bus
Date: August 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Best of the Bus" is a lively, candid, and soulful ride with country music star Jelly Roll. As always, chaos and laughter ensue with Will and Taylor, but this return also dips into the depths of Jelly’s personal evolution—his battles with health, the weight of new expectations, family, his viral “socks” moment, giving back to Nashville’s youth, and dreams on the biggest stages. Jelly Roll is as vulnerable as he is funny, providing insight into the price of success, the challenges of staying grounded, and embracing change. The conversation meanders from backstage at the Masters to Capitol Hill, to beer pong at the ACMs, and back to his deepest motivations as a man and an artist.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Exploring Jelly Roll’s life and skyrocketing career over the past year
• Discussing his recent health transformation and motivations
• Navigating fame, headlines, and social media in the viral era
• The pressure of sustained success (“sophomore slump”)
• Mentorship, fatherhood, and giving back, especially to disadvantaged youth
• Celebrating camaraderie, honesty, and growth—on and off the bus

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The “Socks” Saga & Life in the Spotlight

[02:05–08:41]

• Jelly Roll’s offhand comment about only wearing socks once became a viral headline, typifying the absurdity and reach of celebrity.
• "If you Google Jelly Roll and hit the news button, it’s like Rolling Stone headline, Jelly Roll only wears socks once says big people can’t have stinky feet." – Jelly Roll [02:05]
• He reflects on being disconnected from the noise, opting out of social media for mental health, and using targeted Google alerts instead.
• "I've never been more aware of where I'm at. I've never been more present. Everywhere I'm at is that's where I am." – Jelly Roll [10:25]

2. Social Media Detox & Creative Clarity

[09:39–11:21]

• Cutting social media led to deeper content creation and real-life engagement—he’s more productive, focused, and intentional.
• Admits to “withdrawal” after quitting scrolling cold-turkey but ultimately found it freeing.

3. Facing Pressures and the “Sophomore Slump”

[11:27–14:38]

• Openly discusses feeling pressure after major successes, particularly writing his "sophomore" album.
• "I've released 300 songs in my career...but I’m technically in the world’s eyes working on my sophomore album. And there’s this age-old cliche called the sophomore slump." – Jelly Roll [12:03]
• Leans on friends like Ernest and Hardy for honest feedback, admits to creative anxiety.

4. Making Waves: Congress, Award Shows, & Giving Back

[23:37–30:01]

• Jelly testified before Congress about the drug crisis, showing how his platform can be used for societal good.
• Details the process: collaborated with his sister for research, rehearsed earnestly, was nervous but saw the weight of the moment.
• "There was a side of me... that was a little pissed off...there’s no way that 200 Americans are dying a day and that I am the guy that has to come in here and bring attention to it." – Jelly Roll [28:32]
• Takes such opportunities seriously, feeling a “chip on his shoulder” but also gratitude.

5. The Bumpy Road to Better Health

[34:06–51:52]

• Collaboration with Gary Brecka led to significant weight loss and improved health markers.
• "I dropped those first like 60 some pounds effortless with him. We just did our blood work...Insulin down, hemoglobin's great, liver's doing great, kidneys doing great, heart strong." – Jelly Roll [34:09]
• Candid about struggles: setbacks, falling off, recalibration, and small goals (for example, 5Ks).
• His deeper why: preparing to be a dad later in life, wanting to be present for the long haul.

6. Community and Purpose: Mentoring Youth in Nashville

[59:03–64:10]

• Deep commitment to Nashville’s juvenile centers, creating opportunities and inspiration for incarcerated youth.
• "Nobody ever came in that, like, spoke like… Just people to go in there and treat [the kids] like humans...Like, I just want to treat them like kids." – Jelly Roll [60:45]
• Building studios, bringing in friends like MGK, showing kids new possibilities.

7. Career, Collaboration, and Staying Real

[56:01–58:49] [68:43–84:03]

• Enjoys connecting with aspiring artists through shows like American Idol and The Voice.
• Talks about genre-crossing with MGK, squashed beefs, and the need for grace when artists “fuck up.”
• On transitioning from rap to country: "It was easy...I was growing as a human and as a man." – Jelly Roll [69:50]

8. The Power and Pain of Headlines and Virality

[02:05–10:59] [117:50–119:49]

• Discusses the chaos and disconnect of going viral over trivial things.
• Shares examples of public misunderstandings and how his wife, Bunny, is unbothered and quick with a clapback.

9. Legacy: Dreams & The Ultimate Nashville Show

[66:41–68:56]

• His biggest dream: to play the last show at the current Nissan Stadium and the first at the new one.
• Plans to make it a Tennessee thing, pulling together Nashville and state legends—“Jelly Roll & Friends.”

10. Friendships, Comedy, and Celebrating the Journey

[84:03–100:47]

• Candid praise and insight into the evolving world of standup (Andrew Schulz, Tony Hinchcliffe, etc).
• "When he wins, I feel like I won a little bit kind of thing." – Jelly Roll [87:18]
• Reflects on success, the “ten-year overnight” story in both music and podcasting.

11. The Farm & Family Values

[122:12–124:35]

• Buying a 500-acre farm, bringing family together, inspired by his uncle—a new dream realized.
• "Just getting to do it was like, yeah, this is it...I want a farm." – Jelly Roll [123:37]

12. Heartfelt Fatherhood: Bailey’s Sweet 16

[150:05–153:30]

• Shares moving story about his daughter’s party, projecting his own childhood disappointments and being overwhelmed by the outpouring of love and turnout.
• "We accidentally project our shit on our children...It taught me a lot about not projecting." – Jelly Roll [152:28]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Headlines & Fame:
  "Couple years ago, no one gave a shit about how many socks you were wearing." – Taylor [08:32]

• On Success & Impostor Syndrome:
  "When's my time up? ...And then once your time comes, you're like, when is my time up?" – Taylor [13:30]

• On Testifying Before Congress:
  "My wife thought it was...She picked on me a little bit...She said you were so cute. I was up my sheets of paper reading them like I was reading a script, you know, practicing the night before." – Jelly Roll [24:52]

• On Mentorship & Youth:
  "We never had nobody that cool come talk to us..." – Jelly Roll [60:41]

• On Health Transformation:
  "I thought that every problem I had in life would be solved if I ever found any kind of success and stability. And then I started getting success and stability and I instilled none of those problems were solved." – Jelly Roll [40:58]

• On Moving Past Mistakes:
  "Just be patient, be graceful. You're talking about the most famous artist in America and he's 32 years old and he's from Spit Bucket, East Tennessee." – Jelly Roll [82:35]

• On Bunny’s Savage Nature:
  "She will clap back. Be careful coming for Bunny. She will fire you up, know what I'm saying?" – Jelly Roll [114:31]

• On Buying the Family Farm:
  "If I keep being successful, I'm build three or four houses and a studio and move my whole family and have a little Jelly Roll neighborhood." – Jelly Roll [124:28]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:05 | The “Socks” story goes viral | | 09:41 | Jelly Roll on quitting social media | | 12:03 | On the “sophomore slump”/music pressures | | 24:20 | Preparing for Congressional testimony w/ his sister | | 34:06 | Beginning health journey with Gary Brecka | | 46:26 | Taylor on his own weight loss and health | | 59:03 | Youth mentorship in Nashville and giving back | | 66:41 | Jelly Roll’s Nissan Stadium dream | | 82:35 | Being patient, showing grace to artists in trouble | | 87:18 | On feeling connected to friends’ successes | | 123:04 | The family farm vision and legacy | | 150:05 | Bailey’s Sweet 16 and learning not to project fears |

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Fun & Lighthearted Bits

• Beer Pong at ACMs: First time playing—never disclosed his lack of experience to the group.
• Bunny’s Internet Responses: Jelly’s wife not only ignores the noise, she amplifies her own with epic replies.
• Tattoo Talk: Admits to hating plenty of his own, discusses blackout tattoos—"Not everyone had the privilege of getting tattoos they love." – Jelly Roll [102:12]
• Condiments “Tier Talk”: A detailed, passionate ranking of the world’s best condiments, culminating in philosophical debates over peanut butter and spreads. [133:00–146:47]

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Closing Vibes

The podcast ends as it began—with genuine affection, mutual pride, and belly laughs. Jelly Roll’s ability to own his vulnerabilities, reflect on his journey, and publicly process his growth stands out. The friendship and honesty between him and the hosts shine—illustrating how the bus is as much a site for catharsis as for chaos. Jelly Roll leaves listeners with a sense of hope and affirmation, showing that you can stay true to your roots, learn from your failures, and still aim for the biggest stages.

“I do love y’all, man. And I loved when I get to come on here and hang out with y’all, man. I’m truly, truly… this is why this is always a no-brainer.” – Jelly Roll [147:22]

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For more Jelly Roll: Watch for his hosting spot at CMA Fest, expect new music soon, and if you're lucky, catch him at Nissan Stadium—last or first show, Jelly-style.

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Big hugs, tiny kisses.

Transcript

[Jelly Roll]

Jake.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Jelly Roll]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Taylor]

Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime on the new podcast, America's Crime Lab.

[Jelly Roll]

Every case has a story to tell.

[Taylor]

And the DNA holds the truth.

[Jelly Roll]

He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen, I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Taylor]

This technology's already solving so many cases. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the.

[Jelly Roll]

Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever at your podcasts. I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, a different type of podcast. You, the listener, ask the questions.

[Jake Hofer]

Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?

[Jelly Roll]

Were JFK and Marilyn Monroe having an affair?

[Taylor]

And I find the answers.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm so glad you asked me this question.

[Taylor]

This is such a ridiculous story.

[Jelly Roll]

You can listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Taylor]

On this episode of Best of the Bus, fan favorite, certified legend Jelly Roll is back with the boys. Per usual, it's a great mix of chaos, laughs, and some real talk. Jelly recaps his wild ride of winning awards, his appearance on American Idol and the Voice, and even his. Even his testifying before Congress about the drug crisis in America. We get into his personal journey, journey towards better health, his passion for giving back to Nashville's youth, and his dream of playing the final show in Nissan Stadium. This one's all over the map, but that is in the best way. Tap in, enjoy the ride, big hugs, tiny kisses.

[Jelly Roll]

Google Jelly Roll right now because I'm off the Internet. We'll talk about this. Yeah, we should just start. But. But that's. But like every. It's a headline now. If you Google Jelly Roll and hit the news button, it's like Rolling Stone headline, jelly Roll only wears socks once says big people can't have stinky feet. This is on people. This is on people.

[Taylor]

People.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, so it's like just from you.

[Will]

Making that comment, it's like you're instantly.

[Jelly Roll]

A NewsFeed with us two times, and I didn't want to have stinky feet. I hope y' all are rolling. Yeah, I just didn't want to have stinky feet.

[Will]

But when people are treating it like, oh, he only buys one pair of socks. Like, what a. And you know what the craziest thing to say?

[Jelly Roll]

It was an honest moment for me. It answer was they said, what's the last thing you bought on Amazon? I said, actually, this is also my most frivolous habit I have. I was like, I buy socks. That was my most recent Amazon purchase. I always buy new socks. I was like, I only wear socks once. No, thank you. I'm scared of those, dude. Everybody I know who does it off the bus.

[Taylor]

You're not afraid?

[Jelly Roll]

Mainly addicted to them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, bro, I go through two cans a day behavior.

[Taylor]

I do two cans a day of this.

[Jelly Roll]

My brother chews them like you. That is insane. Insane to me. He chews them like they're bubble gum, dog. Yeah.

[Will]

The boy says if he's not eating or sleeping, they're in.

[Taylor]

Even when I work out, if I get. I get a workout in, I got two. And halfway through the workout, I'll switch them out.

[Jelly Roll]

I would worry about swallowing one or sucking. Have you ever sucked one in the windpipe?

[Taylor]

Whoa. Oh.

[Jelly Roll]

We.

[Taylor]

We had sucked one twice.

[Jelly Roll]

I.

[Taylor]

Where's he going?

[Jelly Roll]

I know, right?

[Taylor]

Where's this man going?

[Will]

We. We had Kirk Cousins on. He said that Taylor Hick, he loves him. He's addicted to him. He'll get up and take a piss in the middle of the night. And as he goes and takes a piss, he'll throw one in.

[Taylor]

Dude, I haven't got there yet.

[Jelly Roll]

Kurt. That episode was fire, by the way.

[Taylor]

Kurt.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. And I got to meet him. He was with. He was with. He was our. He was our boy Kittle at of all places, Augusta.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

I was at the Masters. And I'm like, there's no way I'll see anybody I know here for sure. And I look up and of all, it's George Kittle and Kirk Cousins.

[Taylor]

Bro, I bet there was so many 50 year old white people watching you walk by going, hm, let anybody in.

[Jelly Roll]

Now I'm wearing a denim jacket.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Blue jeans, boots. I'm out there dressed like I was gonna do a concert.

[Taylor]

Dude, don't they have a. Don't they have like a dress code there?

[Jelly Roll]

Hell, yeah.

[Taylor]

And they said, not for you.

[Jelly Roll]

I had a trick. So they posted a picture of Leon Bridges, the Year before. And Leon Bridges is standing at Amen Corner in like, linen and loafers. And I'm like, if he can wear linen and loafers, I can wear denim and leather. I was like, you know what I mean? So I just showed up dressed like jelly roll.

[Taylor]

I like it.

[Jelly Roll]

It was all.

[Taylor]

And they had no problem with it at all.

[Jelly Roll]

Let me tell you what happened. I got to tell this story. I want to so bad. I said, can I take the Leon Bridges picture? They're like, of course. We'll take you to Amen Corner, let you take the picture, and we'll send it to you, and we'll post it from the Masters. I'm like, this is crazy. They're gonna post me from the Masters. They wouldn't post the picture because I have my ball cap on backwards.

[Will]

No tats everywhere.

[Jelly Roll]

And they won't give me the picture. They don't trust me with the picture.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

No. It's the backwards hats. What did it do next?

[Taylor]

Next thing, Headline magazine, Jelly roll in a lawsuit with Masters.

[Will]

That's crazy. Dude's got tats on his face and everything.

[Jelly Roll]

It's the backwards hat and my fault. I respect the game and I should have turned my hat around, but I wasn't. I wasn't thinking. And what's even worse is as soon as I walked off, some guy said, you should have turned your hat around. I was like, man, they don't give a what I do. I kind of joked back, kind of like, haha. The dude was like, okay. Sure enough, they never did.

[Taylor]

Some guy trying to warn you?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, some guy was trying to give me game. And I thought we were just kind of jazz. Don't worry, man. They've been. Let me smoke weed out here, dude.

[Taylor]

The whole. That's like the golf. The uppity ness of the golf. That is for me what. What turns me off to the game.

[Will]

When you draw where you draw the line.

[Taylor]

That's where I draw the line. It's like, I don't like dress codes. I don't like the collar you have to wear. Collar, shirt tucked in. Can't wear a backwards hat. That's what I'm like, what are we.

[Jelly Roll]

Trying to prove here? Yeah.

[Taylor]

And that's what kind of turned me off for so long. Now I just.

[Jelly Roll]

Especially when you hang out with pro golfers and they're degenerates. They're like us.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Like, you know, John Daly's like me and Ernest's dad.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Will]

He is so funny when you see him go through the timeline like it's always something. Just absolutely hilarious. And his son.

[Taylor]

Have you heard the story of when he, like, started? I don't. I'm. I'll butcher the story, but he was basically like a ninth reserve guy for this major. I don't know if it was the masters or what. He ends up getting a call, wakes up hungover, doesn't warm up at all, get zero warm up time, anything, ends up winning. The thing that's like the. Like the legend of John Daly started.

[Will]

Oh, yes.

[Taylor]

Rocking a bullcut. Yeah. I mean, there's probably some major details I'm missing in that, but it was. That's. That's the.

[Will]

You can have them on one day.

[Taylor]

Yeah, it's the back of the book.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, but we'll get. Dad will get on here anytime, I swear, dude. Dad will get on here.

[Taylor]

I swear.

[Jelly Roll]

John will come on here and talk too. He's the dude, dude.

[Taylor]

He rolled up hardy, did a music video.

[Jelly Roll]

How about this? I'll. My word. I will call John Daly today and tell him.

[Taylor]

That's all.

[Jelly Roll]

I like my. I call him dad. For real. He's the sweetest dude. He. He's. I mean, he sent me the coolest Christmas gift I even got this year.

[Will]

What was that?

[Jelly Roll]

It was a painting. And it was like. I don't know if he knows this or not, but I don't like most artists. I don't like stuff that says jelly roll. I won't wear a jelly roll shirt. You know what I mean? Or stuff like that. Or like a picture of myself. I won't hang pictures of me. So this painting is like my lyrics encapsulated in different picture styles. So it's like the skull, but a different style of the skull that I always rock with this cray. It has all these cool lyrics spray painted in the background and, like, live animations. I'll send y' all a picture. Trippy, dude. It's super cool.

[Taylor]

That is awful.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, he's the thoughtful gift I got y', all, though, man.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

I don't know if anybody else gets as excited to come back on here as I do. I just looked at y'.

[Will]

All.

[Jelly Roll]

You do Got up a little higher. But I'm so happy.

[Will]

I know we hit a little bit with jelly right before we came on the bus. So if I just get silent for a long time. Yeah, if I get silent for a long time, just know I'm just sitting there vibing, trying to just catch up.

[Jelly Roll]

I just get excited, man. It just reminds me of. We've had a Lot of good times and the fact that we've stayed friends and we talk. But the cool thing I love about coming back here is that we don't never get to talk like this. Like, this is like hours. Like, we'll catch up. They just checking in or shoot the voice memos or the videos or the text. But to come. This is cool, man. I've cried on this bus. I've been hungover on this bus. I've myself on this bus. Yeah, I've had some really wild. Me and my wife have went viral on this.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Will]

It's been crying over emotion and funny.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Dude, it is crazy to see like your last year and you. We were just talking about. Right. When you got on about people talking about you only wear socks once. Couple years ago, no one gave a. About how many socks you were wearing.

[Jelly Roll]

Right? Yeah, for sure.

[Taylor]

And it's got to be. It's got to be like the most.

[Will]

It'd be like us trying to clip that story and not. You know, you might get traction. You might not. You probably will just because of social media of Jelly Roll. But you're not thinking it's going to be some negative headline.

[Taylor]

No, dude, it's crazy. It's got to be like an insane thing. Like you. I mean, you're. You do really well, like sitting back and being appreciative, all this stuff. But yeah, bro, it's gone insane.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, man, it's. It's cool, though. It's like I disconnected from it as soon as it started happening. I was like, oh, I know how to deal with this. I immediately got off social media. I was like, but now I consume life in an even wilder way through news, but not like old news. Like, you know how, like, you can get Google alerts for certain names? Like, I put my name, my wife's name, the Tennessee Titans bus. And anybody. Any of our friends. Like the homies.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

So, like when like Burt's on Jim, Jimmy Kimmel, somebody. I see it. You know what I mean? It pops up. Bert Kreischer, Jimmy Kimmel. I'm like, I should go check this out. Which is a wild way to consume life, too. You know what I mean? But it's. It's way easier.

[Will]

That's basically what you transition to since you get away from social media for sure.

[Jelly Roll]

And I don't spend no time scrolling or doing it. Yeah. And here's the coolest part, y'. All, I've. I'm creating more content right now than I've ever created. I'm fixing to flood content like an end. Like, I was an independent artist when y' all met me. How I was uploading 50 times a year on YouTube, fixing to. Y' all are watch.

[Will]

Why is that?

[Jelly Roll]

Because now I'm not doing this for eight hours a day. Yeah, you're six hours a day. Every time I have an extra second, I'm actually thinking about stuff now.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? Like, I'm actually present when a camera's on me. You know what I mean? I'm not looking for a moment to go check. And I spent more time looking what was happening on social media than using it as a tool to promote what I was trying to do.

[Taylor]

Right. How freeing has that been, that process of change?

[Jelly Roll]

It's been great, man.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

It has been like I've never been more aware of where I'm at. I've never been more present. Everywhere I'm at is that's where I am. And that hasn't been the case for a long time. I've been in really cool moments, dude. It was like. I think it was the ACMs last year. I'm sitting behind Jason Aldean. Is the first time I realized I had a real problem. I was at the ACMs and it just, like habit would just pull my phone out and just kept getting lost in my phone. I met an award show sitting next to a list celebrities. What the is happening on Tick Tock? That's going to be so cool to me.

[Taylor]

You're not the thing Tick Tock wants to know about.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, for sure. It's like, this is. The Tick Tocks are coming from here. Yeah, I'm just watching the. I just watched. You know what I'm saying? It was just like, yo, this is. Right then I was like, this is getting sick.

[Taylor]

When you. When you did the transition, was there, like a piece of withdrawal at first, when you weren't scrolling, you kind of thought you were telling me, I'm a little bored right now, for sure.

[Jelly Roll]

Well, you still. You still. I still reach for my pocket a bunch.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

Oh, yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

It's not even. I don't even carry. You know, I don't even carry the phone. So it's just. I live in a whole different place, dog. I'm in a great place.

[Will]

Do you feel like there's like. Because you were talking about. We started with talking about that socks headline, like, how massive, like in whether it can be in a negative light or whatever. Do you feel like there's more expectation on you now, when you are creating, when you are getting in these environments. That's a great question, Will, because I would assume you have to kind of battle with that. Especially like, you try to be real conscious of it. Yeah, but there's gotta be times like you're. You've been just doing this. Like you say we swap stories and keep up with each other because everybody's busy, but you've just been doing this. So when you're trying to like, stay intentional, do you find it difficult at times or do you feel like there's that expectation?

[Jelly Roll]

I think, man, I'm always vulnerable in here. I wouldn't say this in many places where I feel it the most, Will, is in the studio. I'm in a weird place where I've released 300 songs in my career. I've had success. I'm close to celebrating my fourth number one on country radio, my fifth number one on radio. I've had international songs. I mean, I've checked all the boxes of things that I never thought I would do. Grammy nominations, awards. But I'm technically in the world's eyes working on my sophomore album. And there's this age old cliche called the sophomore slump.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Happens in sports too.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? So it's like I'm feeling it when I'm writing songs. Like, I want to. I want to send y' all some stuff to listen to. Like, I'm fixing to get to the point where I'm fixing to just start leaning on my friends and relying on honesty. Because when you write 100 and something songs for an album because you're that into it, they start all sounding the same. You don't know which one's the better one of the two that sound alike. And now you're in this place where you've got 100 songs. I could have the best song of my career. I don't even really know it right now because they're all just like a big puddle of just noise to me almost. So it's a. Where. It's a scary place to be. I'm petrified in the world of like.

[Taylor]

Writing songs and stuff.

[Jelly Roll]

I mean that, like, I'm genuinely petrified.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's a scary place to be because you've had all the success and there's always something in the back of your head when you are having a lot of success of like, when's it going to end? Like, when's the fall? When. When is. You know that fear creeps up in the back.

[Jelly Roll]

Damn.

[Will]

Is it really over socks?

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Was this it?

[Taylor]

Because we know, like. I mean, how many people do we know, like, lasted generation after generation of generation, like, five people in the music industry. And so you have to, like, there's always a piece of you that's like, when's it. When's my time up? When's my time coming? And then once your time comes, you're like, when is my time up?

[Jelly Roll]

Right.

[Taylor]

And so it's. It's a very legitimate fear to have, like, when you're writing this music, obviously, like, Ernest is a dude that always, like, he's like, with you. You roll with Hardy a lot, Morgan. Those types of dudes, like, how much are you leaning on them to be able to zoom out a little bit? Because we. Even with busting, like, we get into situations where we're so zoomed into what we're trying to do that we're kind of missing the. The right thing to do at the time.

[Jelly Roll]

Right. You know, like that intro.

[Taylor]

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking about when I said that.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. That's the only time I've ever seen y' all just miss Dude.

[Will]

And that is. That was on me as well.

[Taylor]

And it was like, what was it, January or. Right. Right before January was like, hey, I think, you know, Quaker City Nighthawks, Tip of the Cat. Back to the original. Original intro. This, that. And like, he's, like, going through and he's like, this seems like a really good idea. And I, at the time, like, it's not all Wilson. I was like, yeah, that sounds dope. That sounds cool.

[Will]

I mean, it took you a minute to get your mind around.

[Taylor]

Yeah, it took me a minute.

[Will]

Like, I've done it a couple times, but it just. We've never actually done it or pursued somebody writing us something. And there's a style like. Have you ever seen Club Shay Shay? Yeah, he's kind of got like a cliffhanger at the beginning and this undertone of Nipsey. And then it goes into the Nipsey Hussle song. And I always think it's like, they have that one that grabs you in the first 10, 15 seconds of a clip. So I was trying to think, like, the song that we have with Earn show, you don't necessarily have, like, an underlying tone where you can do that. So it's like, how can we find a song? And I. It's like, I've always been obsessed with this. What was it? Some of Adam's Blues by Quaker City Night yeah. And I was like, man, this could sound dope. We tried it, you know, we're back.

[Jelly Roll]

I'll tell you this. I'll give you some game. You ready for it? And this is something you did, something that old head taught me. I would be painted cars for a living. Right. And he said, you're always one stroke away from either polishing it to a pearl or polishing the paint off. Like one wipe away. It's that close. You know what I mean? Yeah. Sometimes you just gotta go, man, that a pearl, right? Now this up.

[Will]

Hey, and it's good friends that we talk about being. Why can't. You should have just shot a message too, that even though, I mean, we.

[Jelly Roll]

Were getting double, I feel like y'.

[Taylor]

All.

[Jelly Roll]

Y' all couldn't have missed it. The comments were berating. Y' all, listen. Y' all were putting out the best content ever. And all you could see in the comments was bring back, you know, Uro's.

[Taylor]

At his house, sitting there petting his dog, going, hell yes.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, yeah, he's got.

[Taylor]

All those comments were just earnest.

[Jake Hofer]

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Jake Hofer]

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Jake Hofer]

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Taylor]

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Taylor]

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[Jelly Roll]

It would have been harder to fake.

[Taylor]

It than to do it. Listen to American History Hotline on the.

[Jelly Roll]

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[Taylor]

Yeah, the whole time.

[Will]

Bring back the intro.

[Taylor]

But yeah. Dude, who. So of those guys that we were talking about, and when you're in your sophomore album, who we talking to? Like, are you, like, giving it to them? Being like, please tell me where I'm up Earnest.

[Jelly Roll]

I brought her. What happened? Whenever the final phase of writing Ernest is always the dude.

[Will]

I'm in the Dominator.

[Jelly Roll]

He's the guy. Yeah. He's got to call the Dominator. What'd you say?

[Will]

I don't know. I thought I said denominator.

[Jelly Roll]

Are you. I will.

[Will]

We're on the magic school bus.

[Jelly Roll]

You really are right now, dude. I'll just shoot it to earn and ask, and I'll shoot the. And shoot snippets to friends. I'll shoot y'.

[Taylor]

All.

[Jelly Roll]

So I'm just kind of hit people that are honest. My wife's, man. I'm scared to play her songs. If you ask her, I've had two hits ever.

[Will]

You know, it's crazy how many hits out there that never made it to the. Never made it out there because Bunny was like, this is garbage.

[Jelly Roll]

How excited for the beer Olympics.

[Taylor]

Y' all fired up?

[Will]

Depends.

[Jelly Roll]

What. What are we depending on? I.

[Will]

There's some.

[Taylor]

I heard a rumor.

[Will]

There's some scuttlebutt.

[Taylor]

I heard a rumor that logistically, Jelly Roll might not be able to make it.

[Jelly Roll]

We're doing it for sure. I've already figured that out. I'm doing Kimmel the same day, so I'm flying right there. We're just doing an A and a B rig.

[Will]

There we go. There we have it.

[Jelly Roll]

This is it. When I told y' all it was done, it was done.

[Taylor]

I know, but I thought so, too. But you know how it is when management gets involved and then there's a third party. Well, we can tell people now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing Beer Olympics at Red Rock in Las Vegas.

[Will]

Beer game championships.

[Taylor]

Beer game, sir. Beer game championship.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, I didn't know we hadn't all the way went, no. Okay.

[Taylor]

We've hinted. No, this is great for you to be on the way, announce it. And there's been a lot of people coming and going, dude, we started in February, locking cats in.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Put it on your calendar. And we've had people drop out. It's been, it's been a bummer. So I get a call last week and I'm talking back and forth and somebody at Red Rock is like, yeah, Jelly's on the 50 yard line right now. And I was like, whoa. Because we talked a little bit ago. You say he's on like a 10. And you, you. We've had the conversation. So I'm like, oh, it's for sure happening. They say logistically he's just seeing if he can make it happen, but. And then you just, you just assume. Red Rock management, they start talking in every few days.

[Will]

Every few days. Taylor's usually hit me with like, hey, are you seated? I have some, some more bad news. It's just like, I just put the bull in our head and he's like, jelly roll. And I was just like, no, no.

[Jelly Roll]

We'Re gonna figure it out. We got, we're doing, we're doing Kimmel that day, I think is what's happening. And we're just figuring out a way to knock out two birds.

[Taylor]

Because it.

[Jelly Roll]

Dude, it is a 40 minute flight.

[Taylor]

It's gonna be incredible. Like, the event, all the stuff we got going into it, the Shade cover, the sponsors.

[Jelly Roll]

I'll tell you what's probably happening is on our end, inside baseball, and this is how we talk on the phone. Y' all get to see how we talk to each other. If I had to guess, they just haven't got back for the. They're just not getting back to them quick enough. Like, Red Rocks probably wants it in a certain timeline. And the way my people are probably looking at it, sadly, we have so much coming up. Are probably like, yo, chill, we'll be there for sure. You know what I mean? Like, relax. Like, dude's coming. You know what I mean? That's what my guess is right now that they're more just worried that you know what I mean, but.

[Will]

And your team's sticking to a script too. It's like, if they're saying this, it's not fitting our script. Like, maybe this isn't a conversation.

[Jelly Roll]

As soon as I hit y' all and said, what way do y' all want to do it? And y' all told me I hit them right then I was like, that's how we're doing it.

[Taylor]

We did have a. A lengthy conversation. So for everybody who doesn't know the text message group chat, you hit us up and you're like, you want to do a 300 person, like, private show, or do you want to do, like, an actual public show? Will was thinking private. I was thinking public. And the reason why I was thinking in public is, dude, beer Olympics. I mean, you saw us last year. No one's gonna be hearing your music. We're all gonna black out anyway, for sure. So to have other people go and enjoy it, I was thinking it was a nice gesture. It'd be amazing. But at the same time, like, I'm not gonna remember. Yeah. I'm gonna be like, hey, how did Jelly do last night?

[Jake Hofer]

That was.

[Taylor]

They did awesome. Then we sent it to the boys, and it was a unanimous public.

[Will]

Unanimous public.

[Taylor]

So, that being said, ladies and gentlemen, June 25, Tuesday at Red Rock, one night only. The King himself, Jelly, will be playing a concert. Let's get around. Applause for that, boys. That's big time.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Yes. Yes.

[Will]

But just to prepare everybody, all of the beer games content that will be shot that day won't be coming out until, I think, in August. It's going to get a lot of editing done and everything else or really pouring into.

[Taylor]

It's crazy how much that's blown up, but not near as much as what we want to talk about. You, bro. You have been doing every time. I feel like you're never home.

[Jelly Roll]

No, I was gone 300 days last year.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

That's real. God, it looks like I'll be in the 250s, 260s.

[Will]

Like, what's happened in the last year?

[Jelly Roll]

Just chasing the record. I dropped the album.

[Will]

Right, right. But I'm saying, like, what. Like, what are the cool new things that you've been doing in the last year? Because Jack's like, like, hey, what do we want to talk to Jelly about? I'm like, man, I don't know if I've been able to just. I see. It's like, you come across my screen, you're giving some Southern Baptist church speech every time I. Yeah. Bring up X. It's amazing.

[Taylor]

Talking about drugs.

[Will]

Yes.

[Taylor]

You're on American Idol. You're on the Voice. You're on every Today show ever. Tonight show ever. I'm surprised you haven't hosted SNL yet.

[Jelly Roll]

Yes.

[Taylor]

God, man, you need to host snl. That would be nasty.

[Jelly Roll]

I tell you what, I'm free this fall.

[Taylor]

But you've really been doing it all.

[Jelly Roll]

It's been really cool you saying that.

[Will]

I'm learning, you know, about all the different things he's been. Bro, it's like hard to.

[Taylor]

This man was in front of people who make laws saying, I am an ex drug dealer. Telling you this is a problem. And it's eight, ten minutes long.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

And he is articulate, saying his thing and he. Dude, how much did you prepare for that?

[Jelly Roll]

I really did.

[Taylor]

You really did?

[Jelly Roll]

I really did. I'm not gonna lie and say I shot for from the hip. I tell you, the coolest part of that story is that my sister went to college. She's the smartest one in our family by a country mile. But we've never found a point of connection to be able to work together on anything. And I called her and said, I got a job for us. She said what? I said, I'm pretty well spoken. You're will smart. Why don't you get me some logistics and some, some, some peer reviewed facts here and then we'll build a case. And I got to put together a speech to present the congress. And me and her sat down and cooked that up together.

[Taylor]

No, that is awesome.

[Jelly Roll]

I was like, I'll figure out the analogies. You just give me the statistics and then I'll write it up. And man, I was in my. My wife thought it was. She picked on me a little bit about it in a sweet way how she does. She said you were so cute. I was up my sheets of paper reading them like I was reading a script, you know, practicing the night before.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Because, dude, this was serious. I was going in front of the United States Congress. Yeah, I took it serious. You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

Everyone's gonna see it's not just some. No disrespect. Some random person walking up and saying, hey, we got to change this law. Like you're a super influential person.

[Jelly Roll]

Person for sure.

[Taylor]

How much prep? Like when that phone call happened to your sister. How far was the congress meeting away?

[Jelly Roll]

Three weeks. But we took about three weeks to really start coming together.

[Taylor]

I feel like that's even a short amount of.

[Will]

How nervous were you?

[Jelly Roll]

Extremely.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Jelly Roll]

Very more nervous than I. So look at, man. First of all, it was in a fucking courthouse. They'll Say it's not a courthouse, but I've been to a courthouse. This is a courthouse. You know what I mean? And then it's a courtroom. They said, it's not a courtroom, but it's a courtroom. I've been to a courtroom. It's set just like a courtroom. And I didn't think about this till I was sitting there, but it's already designed for you to feel less, right? And I'm sure it's designed that way on purpose because all the congressmen are sitting up and looking down at you. So, like, you're peering up, and there's just. I didn't think about it. But psychologically, you're instantly. I'm not looking at you eye to eye, right? There's a. There's a separation between me and you. You know what I mean? There's a clear thing that you're here and I'm here. And that. That made me more nervous than I anticipated because that felt like a judge. Judges sit up, too, you know what I'm saying? I was like, man, I'm in court right now, like, so. But it was. And I hoped that they were going to go the other way because I look at the guy to the left of me from the F.O.P. great guy. Fraternal Order Police. I go, pardon me, sir. Have you done this before? He's like, oh, yeah, all the time. The next guy next to him was a D.A. federal d. A. I said, you do this? He's like, all the time? Yeah, we come speak here, you know, Probably. Probably once every other week. Week, yeah. And I was like, oh, great. Well, one of these guys go first. And I kind of know what I'm doing here. You know what I'm saying? I'll get. I'll get to see a rat. I don't know what I'm doing.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? And of course, I'm in the head space that I'm constantly in, right? So I'm in there, and I'm like, maybe one of these guys. School bus, right? I'm like, maybe one of these guys will show me the way. You know what I mean? And now they were like, all right, Mr. D. Ford, I'm sure you've never done this. I was like, never. Never thought I'd do it.

[Taylor]

All right, go ahead. First sacrificial land. Get out there. Jesus Christ.

[Will]

The reaction to that speech was also, like, a very viral thing. How coming out of that did you. You probably didn't expect that or anticipate that, nor care about it. But seeing that it blew up the way it did, I bet that that had to feel good, knowing that you are pushing to make a wave like that.

[Jelly Roll]

It did. It felt really. It felt. I had a moment where I was sitting there and I looked down at that camera and I seen the screen and I seen the myself, and I was like, oh, this picture is going to be everywhere the rest of my life. Like, I'm on C Span right now. Yeah. I didn't know I was going in to be on C Span, you know what I mean? I'm like, I'm on public television. Yeah. Free. Free television. Yeah. Like, everybody. Everybody that anywhere they can watch me, I'm getting watched in prison right now.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? Like, I am on C Span. And I think also it goes like how the award speeches work for me. There's a true moment where this is just all unreal to me. And I take every one of those moments extremely serious. Like, way, like not serious an aspect. Like I don't prep for award speeches, but, like, I take it serious. When I'm walking up there, I'm praying right then, quietly, God, this is the last time that I ever win one of these. And I get to address millions of people watching me. I'm in front of my peers. I am elated to be here, by the way. It's insane to me that artists win awards and they walk up there like, fuck, I hate. I had to come out tonight, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, they walk up there like, my feet hurt, you know what I mean? It's like, I hadn't touched the ground tonight. Dude. I'm 450 pounds and I'm floating. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't, you know, And I just want to take those moments serious. And the Congress one was even more serious because there was a side of me, and I hope I don't get in trouble for this, that was. Walked in there a little pissed off just a little bit, you know what I mean? Just a little chip on my shoulder because I walked up there thinking there's no way that 200Americans are dying a day and that I am the guy that has to come in here and bring attention to it. Like, this is a little absurd that it took me, you know what I mean? Of all people like this, it should have never got to this point. So I found myself feeling that emotion, too, in the moment. And I don't know if you could see it in me, but There was a hint of like, you don't see me that serious that often.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know, I'm not a. I'm a serious songwriter. I'm not a serious guy.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? Don't take anything I say. Very serious. But I was. See, this is me walking in the court. You see it on my face. That initial clip when I first walked in, they had media out there trying to talk to me. And I was. First time ever. I was kind of rude to media. You see, I'm not even looking at.

[Taylor]

The camera stern there than ever.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. And I wasn't trying to be mean. I was just like, hey, man, I'm nervous, and I'm gonna go in here and make a point.

[Taylor]

At what point? When you were having those feelings and you sat down.

[Jelly Roll]

This is crazy that we're watching this with y', all, dog. I would have never dreamed this. When I came on Yalls bus the first time.

[Will]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

If I'm just, like, selling two or three thousand tickets for me, I had made it. When I got on this bus the first time, I was like, big as I'll ever be and happy about it. You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

Your catalog. And I'll probably just sell that for $30 million.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, for sure. Sure.

[Taylor]

That is just. Yeah. It's crazy, bro. And it's crazy the how we met.

[Jelly Roll]

This is so perspective, just sitting in here like this, man. Thank y', all, dude.

[Taylor]

Having a shop, that was the reason why.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Because I brought Job here. The first two podcasts I ever did. Yeah, the first two podcast I ever did was Shabb and Y'. All.

[Will]

And now you've hit Rogan, bro.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, baby. There's no Rogan effect, baby. I changed the name. It's not the Experience anymore. Anymore. It's the Joe Rogan effect.

[Taylor]

How fast is that? We talked about the last time you're on.

[Jelly Roll]

It's immediate.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

It's immediate. Yeah. It's unreal.

[Will]

You've been seeing the Terrence Howard.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, man, Listen. I listened to the first 30 minutes of it in the sauna this morning. It starts like, so how did you get into acting? And I don't know if Joe knew that was the trigger phrase.

[Taylor]

No, man.

[Jelly Roll]

It's like. Like Joe knew the one sentence to un.

[Taylor]

If.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm wondering if Joe would have said, so how's your morning? If it would have unlocked that same. Yeah, but he's like, let me tell you, before I was born, dude, that.

[Taylor]

Was right beneath the surface. And the low key. When he's talking. When he starts saying, like, one times one is two, he's like, because you have. Multiplication is a multiple, and if you put anything in front of another one, it has to get bigger.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

I'm thinking kind of makes sense.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

I felt like I. I put my calculator.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

He's talking about Neil DeGrasse Tyson. Right. That's the. The scientist.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

He's, like, telling how Neil's coming at him and all this, but he's talking about Adam separating. And there's four edges, but when it.

[Jelly Roll]

You put.

[Taylor]

Put eight bubbles together, I'm just like.

[Jelly Roll]

You know, the craziest.

[Taylor]

He's kind of a genius, and maybe he's a psychopath. I don't know. I haven't picked a side yet.

[Jelly Roll]

It all came from the dude that played a pimp. And Hustle and Flow. That's the part I can't get over. Like, I watched this dude play a Memphis pimp in my favorite movie. It's the only movie I've ever met.

[Taylor]

He's also the smartest man you've ever met in your entire life. Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

It's insane. He's Tyson. Neil degrass.

[Will]

The one that made the biggest impact on me was when he was the. The divorced father in Big Mama's house.

[Jelly Roll]

Big.

[Will]

That's, like, what I think. I think of, like, an intimidating cat.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Will]

Like with Terrence Howard. And then also in the fighting movie with Channing Tatum.

[Jelly Roll]

Right.

[Will]

You know, the sad part is manager.

[Jelly Roll]

I don't remember this in either one of these films. Now. I just remember Hustle and Floats, the only film I've ever remembered him being.

[Taylor]

In because he killed this house.

[Will]

He was like. He was like the scary dude that you're trying to predict. It's called fighting.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

I don't think I've even seen this movie.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm getting crucified online right now for people watching this are like, you're telling me you only knew one Terrence Howard movie?

[Taylor]

Honestly, I was kind of with you. I don't know what this is. I know Big Mama's house. You should have picked up that. You should have picked up Big Mama.

[Jelly Roll]

I just can't look at him and think of him doing anything but going in my eyes. I just seen some crazy things in the streets. Got a couple girls working on the track just for me. I don't know.

[Taylor]

Oh, he's an iron man.

[Jelly Roll]

He was in Crash, yo.

[Will]

And the thing is, what you, like, find yourself enjoying about that conversation is right, wrong, whatever. Everybody's Gonna argue, pick it apart, whatever it is. But his enthusiasm and talking about. You just know that this dude obsesses over this stuff for sure. So it's like, it like pulls you in when he's talking about being naked in his dreams and accessing the future like he's Lou. And hot tub time machine where he can, like, that's why he's got 97 patents. You're just sitting there like, yo, what is this guy?

[Jelly Roll]

Can we look up his patents? Does anybody look this up?

[Will]

Then he had a gym bag. He hands Joe a couple.

[Taylor]

Couple.

[Will]

And I'm just so curious what's going on in Joe's mind, like as he's holding them. Because Joe doesn't like say a word for those first 30 minutes.

[Taylor]

First 30 minutes, yeah. And he just, at one point he goes, Can I just stop you there for a second?

[Will]

Can we go back a couple octanes here?

[Jelly Roll]

No, stop. I'm only 30 minutes in. And it was all Terrence and it was incredible. But I'm sitting in the sauna this morning.

[Will]

Yeah, we, we saw yourself. You got the cold tub, you got the sauna going on.

[Jelly Roll]

Dude, listen, Gary Breck in your life. Gary Brecker is like, help me. I dropped Those first like 60 some pounds effortless with him. We just did our blood work, our first 90 day blood work cycle together to see the differences. Insulin down, hemoglobin's great. Liver's doing great, kidneys doing great. Heart strong. I had obviously being a big guy, I had a, a spike protein marker in my heart. It was just a little bit. Showed a lot of inflammation, big cars, big engine kind of thing, but still not right. I mean, it's the effects of obesity, right? That's went down dramatically points a whole point or something. Point and a half, two points in 90 days. Like I've been a pre diabetic as you could imagine, like at a 6.2 forever. As long as I remember, like how I'm not a full blown diabetic. Mind blowing a little bit.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Right. You know what I'm saying? So. And it went from six, two to like five, nine and three months. And that just seems like three points. But that's a, that's a consistent 90 day blood marker.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

It's not like you're instant, you know, the prick of what's in your bloodstream. You know, that's, that's a 90 day. I've only had 90 days.

[Taylor]

What is it?

[Jelly Roll]

A 1C. You see what I'm saying? Like this. I should have just brought my blood work. We could have nerded out about. I'm so proud of it.

[Taylor]

What is that?

[Jelly Roll]

I'm carrying my blood work around. Like when I was in jail and I carried my paperwork around to prove I didn't snitch. Like, see, I didn't snitch. Read it. You know, I would never tell.

[Taylor]

Dude, what is. You said 5.8, 6.2. Like what is. What's the number that you're a diabetic?

[Jelly Roll]

6.3.

[Taylor]

Oh, you were right there.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, it's called being a pre diabetic. I've been in a 6. 2 for like a decade.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

So I'm type one diabetic.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, wow.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Yeah. The other one to give ref to your A1C. Like I check my blood sugar. You probably see me do it before. Yeah, that's an immediate result. And you know exactly in real time what your blood sugar is. Your A1C is essentially like what Jelly saying, like a 90 day average of where you're at. It doesn't correlate to the number you on a glucometer. But the A1C is crucial because like mine being type 1 diabetic, it's good if I'm like 7.2 and 6.2 for someone who's not is like considered. You're on the verge of it. But you want to be between 5 and 7 being like the like max. They want you in between like 6 and 7, like the decimal point system. But yeah, the A1C is just like your average glucose over the last 90 days. It gives you a good measurement for.

[Taylor]

Long term effects and Dr. McPherson, man.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, I should, I should have brought the paperwork. Dude. We've had a really cool like, it's been cool.

[Taylor]

How'd you get put on with Gary?

[Jelly Roll]

I just won. Same way I did y'.

[Taylor]

All.

[Jelly Roll]

Same way I get put on with everybody. And I learned this from Rogan. Being a Joe Rogan fan when Joe Rogan was like, man, I just get into the stuff I'm a fan of. It's like that's what I do. I just get into the stuff I'm a fan of. So like as soon as I started seeing the Dana White Trent change because it was like clear to me because, you know, Dana White, we watched Dana White fight my nearest before. Like, you know, being a fan of his over the years, I've seen him go through some shit and I've seen him look really bad. Like scarily like big and red faced, you know, like puffy, just like, scarily bad. And I mean, y', all, you hang out with him more than I do. Man, that dude looks incredible, bro. He looks young. He's sharp, he hears great. Remember I used to not hear nothing.

[Taylor]

No, no, he still can't hear.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, it seems like that left ear is bad.

[Taylor]

He's always got that little turn up. Yeah, but dude, yeah, but he just.

[Jelly Roll]

Seems really, you know, just. And I started watching his transition, so I was like, man, I should. I should maybe reach out to this guy. Maybe. Maybe I got some blood work that's off. Maybe he can see something. So I just cold hit him. And lucky for me, his wife, Sage. Love you, Sage Shade. Sage is the best. Sage is a country music fan, so she knew who I was. They just love like her and her daughter. Her daughter's Bailey's age, so they love Morgan. They just love the whole community of country music music. So they were familiar enough with me to be like, yo, we want to get you on a. On a thing with him. So Gary immediately got involved and changed everything. And I bought right into it too. It didn't take me no time at all.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Jelly Roll]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan, he's Ty.

[Jelly Roll]

Hello.

[Jake Hofer]

And we're the Solid Verbal College Football podcast. College football season is here and you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween.

[Taylor]

Uh huh.

[Jake Hofer]

But fear not, the solid verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jelly Roll]

My name is Ed, Everyone say hello Ed. Hello, Ed. From a very rural background, myself, my dad is a farmer and my mum is a cousin. So like it's not.

[Taylor]

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago.

[Jelly Roll]

I just normally do straight stand up, but this is a bit different.

[Taylor]

On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

[Jelly Roll]

On 22 July 2015, 23 year old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house.

[Taylor]

So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack where stand up comedy and murder take center stage. Available now listen to Wisecrack on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Will]

Oh man, that's what I'm curious about, cuz. I mean, I've been around you like we, we've known each other for what.

[Taylor]

Four years, five years?

[Will]

Yeah, something like that. And I feel like you. There's been like moments and phases to where you're in the middle of doing something, right?

[Taylor]

He's showing up with a gallon of water that has lemon, lemon juice in it, right? He's I'm doing it, boys. Right? Hell yeah.

[Will]

And being super intentional with this one this time, what feels different about it?

[Jelly Roll]

I think it was really the, like realizing that I just want to feel good. Like, I thought I said this whenever we did our 5k and I meant this. I thought that every problem I had in life would be solved if I ever found any kind of success and stability. And then I started getting success and stability and I instilled none of those problems were solved. And I know that's the old cliche thing. And trust me, when I was broke and I heard wealthy people say this, I would get sick. I'd be like, you don't love your money? Give it to me, you fat asshole. Right? I'll be happy with it. You know what I'm saying? It's like. But that's not like, trust me, I enjoy the things that money can do. But it was that. And I'll let y' all know if we can keep this part in, because if we can, this will be the biggest clip of this show. My wife and I are talking about having a baby. And it really made me realize at almost 40, I was like, that means I gotta live at least 60, I gotta see this kid into college, like. And my plan was never to be 60. It was to be, like, 55. I think Garcia died at 56. So since I was young, I was like, 56 would be great for me.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's when Garcia win. I'm in. You know what? It sounds better than 27. That's when all the other stars died.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

27 or 56 in celebrity world. Let me be 56. But now I'm like, well, I'd like to see my 60s, you know what I mean? And. And that really lit it up. And being able to see blood work got kind of nerdy. You have. Do you have a constant. Do you have a Libra on you?

[Taylor]

No.

[Jelly Roll]

Have you ever wore one?

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Yeah. So I wear, like, it's got a Dexcom G7. And it's just like they're trying to find a continuous loop, which is like a device you wear that registers your blood sugar and then gives you the appropriate insulin. That is essentially the cure they're looking at for. But they. I have a. A thing I can wear on me that constantly monitors it, but I'm not wearing it right now.

[Jelly Roll]

I know it sounds crazy, but I just started nerding out about it. Taylor. I got this thing. He knows what I'm talking about. It's called a Libra. And it just. It'll show my constant blood sugar in real time. Right. So then I started getting nerdy and being like, I would eat certain things to watch the effects of it.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

And it's little. Like, that has just changed my whole life. Now I just want to eat better because I feel better. Like, I know that sounds so corny. And who would have thought being fat my whole life, that all I would feel better if I just ate better.

[Taylor]

Yeah. But it's not. It's not the craziest concept.

[Jelly Roll]

It's insane because it's like when I.

[Taylor]

Like when I was 310 pounds, or when anybody is overweight or anything, or eats, like, and has a good body, you. It becomes your norm. So you just think, this is how normal feels all the time. And you really don't start realizing until you start peeling back layers, doing the blood work, and eating a little bit healthy and getting that one, two, three weeks of eating healthy where you're like, I can notice an obvious difference in my mood, my cognitive function. I can even start to see it a little bit. Hey, that. That wasn't there before. That's kind of nice to have that there. Like, you start to see those things now. You start to realize what you were dealing with wasn't normal. The normals over here, you just have to get to that point.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

And so it's. It. I think it is one of those things that people don't think about a whole lot. There's like, oh, I always feel X, Y, and Z. Not realizing it's not. It doesn't have to be like that.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

But getting obsessive with the measuring the data and everything else. I feel you on that. Because then it's like your competitive nature, it's becomes like a little game.

[Jelly Roll]

You start. It starts. And, dude, I'm falling in love with the clarity. I'm getting. Like. Like a clarity I've never had. Like, man, I get out of that. I wake up every morning to do anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes in a sauna, and. And then I immediately do six minutes in the cold water, and then I go for my walk or go for my swim. It's the first thing I do every morning. And I'm thinking so clear in that sauna, man. I've only been up 6, 7 minutes, and I'm just. Is already just cooking. It's just. Man, I've just never felt more focused and dialed in. I get to bring the sauna and the cold plunge on the road now.

[Will]

No, no.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Cause you know how Dane is. I told Dan, I was like, hey, how do you carry your mobile sauna? Well, he just sends me one already in a case. You know what I'm saying? That's what it's like to have real rich friends. You know what I'm saying? It's just like, yo, no problem. We'll send it straight over. Yeah. And they literally. I got one in storage now. It just follows me. It's great.

[Taylor]

For real. That is awesome. What's like.

[Jelly Roll]

And Gary Brecker's the. Have y' all been with him yet? Y' all should. With him. Just. Y' all should have him on.

[Taylor]

Yeah, we would love to have him on. Absolutely. We've kind of. We went back and forth in.

[Will]

I think we've been out to him for.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Like, January, when we were kind of talking back and forth, and then he went on Rogan, and then he went on Nelk Boys, and then he went on all these other shows. And so his people kind of reached out, were like, well, what are your guys's numbers? What's going on here? And I think that's when. That's what kind of when the red tape hits. Because I've been around Gary on three separate occasions now. Every Single time. I've enjoyed him every single time. He's just a wealth of knowledge, great personality. Like, he's just. And he seems, like, intentional when he speaks to you. Like, he's not trying to think about the next thing he has to do. He's right there with you. So I really enjoy him. One person he's had on his show, his podcast, Superhuman Podcast, or whatever, is Gabriel Lyon, who Will and I work with. Oh, she's in the. She's in the same world. She does very similar blood tests. She, you know, you on Zoom with her and all that stuff. And it's. It is fascinating stuff, right, to kind of feel, like, find that little edge of where you can kind of get better and.

[Jelly Roll]

Right.

[Taylor]

You know, what your body can process, what it can't process, and. Because when we get older, I mean, dude, I'm 32, and I'm like, you know, I got a shoulder, the knee that my fingers are facing different directions. And you just kind of worry, like, now that that part of my life is over, I want to make sure that cognitively I can handle stuff and I can, you know, be old enough. And I don't, like, run around my kids when they're older and all that stuff. You really start to think about future stuff than you do right now. Yeah, it's tough.

[Jelly Roll]

Was that something you thought about when you got the weight off? Like, have you already talked about this a bunch on this podcast? I don't like you.

[Taylor]

No, no, I haven't really talked. We, like, Will just kind of mentions, hey, Taylor lost a lot of weight. And I say, yeah, like, we haven't talked about that. But, like, I noticed, like, back pain or sleeping on my side, my shoulder would hurt in the morning. And now that my shoulder doesn't really hurt in the morning, my back doesn't really hurt anymore. Like, there's things that I just thought were normal because, oh, I'm playing football, I'm lifting weights.

[Will]

You play through everything.

[Taylor]

You play through everything, and then you start to get. You start to lose weight, and you're like, oh, damn. Like, this already feels so much better to me.

[Jelly Roll]

Right.

[Taylor]

That I'm like, 2, 260, 255.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

And it is. It's a. It's a noticeable difference.

[Jelly Roll]

Was it intentional, though, to lose that weight? Yeah.

[Taylor]

When I knew that the writing was on the wall and I was gonna get cut and, you know, the knee thing happened and all that, I was like, let me. You know, I'm just probably not gonna eat for a little bit.

[Will]

I, I shredded, yeah, 24, seven.

[Taylor]

I have a lucky body type where when I was at my plane weight, it was, you know, three shakes a day, there were 1200 calories, three meals, and I'm losing five pounds at night. Like I always had to be a guy that had to gain weight. So when I kind of just, just ate normal for a little bit, it just flew off. Yeah, I lost like 30, 40 pounds in a hurry. The point will say, hey, you're starting to look a little sickly.

[Will]

Yours light is me right now.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Will]

Everything all right?

[Taylor]

It was, you know, you kind of just live and I've never lived like that before in sports where you like live and you're just eating when you're hungry and that's it. You're not like shoving a meal. Like when in high school we joked about this. Like I would wake up at three in the morning, just have a protein shake shake, and I go back to sleep not realizing that's actually horrible for you to do, but you would do like that.

[Will]

But when you're, you're like trying to put on the weight.

[Jelly Roll]

Dude, but you.

[Taylor]

You'Ve, you can obviously see your body's already changing. What's your. Now that you see that this is achievable, what is the goal for you?

[Jelly Roll]

I'm doing it in little goals. So the 5k by May was my first one and I needed that because between us, I came out of the gun hard for about 90 days.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

And about 25 days before the 5K started, I just fell off the rails.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Just gave up all that work, Ate like a little bit on and off. Had a couple of big drinking benders. Just kind of went back to old habits.

[Will]

You think, oh, it's only a few hours that I'm doing today?

[Jelly Roll]

Like, no. That one even thought about schedule. I just let. I don't have no excuses. The schedule swallowed me and I'd learned from it. I won't do it again. But I woke up the day of the 5k. Like I'm not as prepared for this as I was three weeks ago, which sucks.

[Taylor]

And I still feeling.

[Jelly Roll]

It's a tough feeling and you show up and you still do it because you know I could because I got in better shape and I did lose a lot of weight and I was feeling better, but I had a moment. Then we're kind of re fired me up and I was like, all right, now I want to do another 5k. I want to do it around Thanksgiving and I want to do it at a constant jog. This right here was at a brisk power walk. I'm not. I'm. I'm not embarrassed of my mile minute. It was like 18, 19 minute miles.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Which for me, when a guy that started at 500 and something pounds and couldn't walk a mile felt great about that.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Now I'd like to get it down to like 16, 15, a little jogging, really kind of slow, steady jog, and then go to the 5k, the two bears 5k next year and put up a real fucking time. Yeah. Twice. Like Burt did. Burt did it the first time and then went back and did it with me.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

And if this goes the way I want it to, I am dragging Bert Kreischer to do a half marathon next fall. Damn. That's my plan.

[Will]

I like that goal.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. These are my plans. And I love saying it here because I said I was going to do the 5k on Nelk and went and did it and lost a lot of weight. So y' all hold me to this. Just like y' all held me to it. And I had to show up in May and sweat my balls off in Pasadena.

[Will]

Yeah. Any kind of. I feel like two probably remotivates you because you're getting around all your boys and everybody who was kind of either preparing for it or they're in the middle of doing something for themselves. You're just kind of like Bert doing it twice. Man, I gotta get back.

[Jelly Roll]

Second time with a. It made me feel great. And it was cool to see other. How many other big guys did it because of Bird or because of me? Foley was there from. You know what I'm talking about? Are you garbage podcast? He walked it with us. He's a very robust man, you know what I'm saying? You know, it's like he encouraged. He inspired me because I kept looking at him like, we're about equally yoked here, you know?

[Will]

About equally yoked here.

[Jelly Roll]

It's like, this is fair.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know, my holy goal was, like, not to let him smoke me quietly.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

And I bet he quietly. He was like, we're similar specimens. Dude starts jogging right now, I'm gonna die because I'm go. I'll faint. You know what I'm saying? Before I let Foley beat me, I'm sure he looked at me. That's how fat people size each other up. I'm sure he looked at me and I was like, foley, let's stick together so we can control our own pace. I kind of. I roped him in immediately, I was like, come on, be my guy.

[Taylor]

Imagine if you just took off at the start. Yeah. Ripping it.

[Will]

You're like, I got a ways to go.

[Taylor]

Start catching you. That's awesome. That is. That is cool. You're knocking those things off. No problem.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, I feel good, man, and I do feel good. My testosterone's going up. My. My labs, as you could expect, were bad. You know what I mean? They just wasn't good. It's all. Every level that could be off in an obese man, as you could expect. And just balancing some of that stuff out just helps so much.

[Taylor]

Were they. They're obviously expected to be bad. Were they as bad as you thought they would be, or were there a couple of silver linings in there? You're like, okay, yeah. All right.

[Jelly Roll]

The kidney and the liver surprised me. Yeah, they surprised everybody for what it was, where it was big shock. You know what I'm saying?

[Will]

You should have seen.

[Jelly Roll]

Everybody was like, are you sure? There was. They didn't want to reach out looking.

[Taylor]

Up in the thing. We gotta do that again.

[Will]

You're gonna go get a second opinion.

[Jelly Roll]

Even Gary was like, I don't want to tell you this, but your kidneys and liver are incredible.

[Will]

That was about the 25 day out from Two Bears. Mark.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

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[Jelly Roll]

I've been doing pretty good too, man. When's the last time y' all tied one on?

[Will]

Ah, spring tour. Spring tour. Get on the road. You do a show. Like, you have some tequila soda to take the edge off before you, you know, go out there and do your thing with the fans and stuff. And then the. It just. It like, kicks couple during the show. It's like a motivator.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. And by the end of the show, you're like, we should just drink all night.

[Will]

Yeah. Lives are up.

[Jelly Roll]

Y' all are my favorite people to drink with. I've had. I've had a good one with y'. All.

[Will]

You don't have to lie to us, Jelly.

[Jelly Roll]

I swear to God, dog.

[Taylor]

A lot of people.

[Jelly Roll]

You're a lot. I've got you puking drunk and had a blast doing it. You are so fun with Brad lebron.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Jelly Roll]

You are so fun. And I like Taylor because Taylor drinks like me. You see it in his eyes. There's a switch that happens where he's instantly like, I'm doing this until I pass out.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

It's also a goal. Like, if I'm gonna get up everyone.

[Jelly Roll]

Else around me all instantly, I'm like, we. This ship sinks like the Titanic. We play music to the death.

[Taylor]

Women and children can live first. The rest of the men, you're dying.

[Jelly Roll]

We're all die here together.

[Taylor]

That is the end of it. I know it is. I. I'll try to sneak. Cuz Will. Will. Will under. Drunk will understands when it's time to stop.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

But drunk Taylor will not let drunk will stop. So I'm like, hey, man, let's have one. And I'll have one if you have one.

[Jelly Roll]

I've.

[Taylor]

I've taken a couple waters while he's taking some tequila.

[Jelly Roll]

I knew it too, bro. I knew it. Hey, I'll go out to the bartender.

[Will]

I'm like, hey, give me that cup you just threw away. I'm like, are you giving him water? And they're kind of like, oh, no.

[Taylor]

I'm thinking four or five ahead of Will. Yeah. I'm like, no chance I'm gonna let this guy. And then the next day, it's like, you pretty up last night, weren't you? No, no, no. We're both gonna be, hey, you were pretty up.

[Jelly Roll]

Let me tell you.

[Will]

I'll be looking at Taylor in the face like, I know you're lying to me. He's like, bro, no.

[Taylor]

Just line. Don't tell. Lying to your face.

[Jelly Roll]

I. The water trick. I like that. Was that, cuz. The trick. You got the bar. Cuz, I've. I've been in a situation where you're like, me. I'm like the host, kind of. So, like, a group of people coming. I'm like, we should take a shot. Right? The next group comes in. I'm like, we should take a shot. And then Will comes over, and Will's like, we should take a shot. And I'm like, I just took three shots.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying? No.

[Will]

Or jelly just walks up behind you. Hey, for the boys, bubba.

[Taylor]

Come on.

[Jelly Roll]

You got. That is a little blackout drunk gremlin. Yeah. Only at comedy clubs. We're safe there. It's the last safe frontier.

[Taylor]

June 12, dude, live show in Nashville, man. Here, here. Yeah, that's what we're doing.

[Jelly Roll]

Let me check it.

[Taylor]

And you know, last time we were live show, when you came on, we got up to, like, midnight.

[Will]

Yeah, that was a good night.

[Taylor]

That was a fun night.

[Jelly Roll]

It was a great night.

[Will]

He's tried getting me at the softball game.

[Taylor]

Dude, I remember we were. We were singing to the crowd and.

[Jelly Roll]

Said, June 12th came up.

[Taylor]

It was like, oh, Taylor's not a big wooer. And the whole crowd lost it. I was like, God damn it.

[Jelly Roll]

Wednesday the 12th, right? Wednesday the 12th, maybe.

[Will]

Oh, we can't tease him too much.

[Taylor]

No, no, no. I'll tell you what, I do love you saying maybe.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Because what I've noticed with this beer Olympics thing is everyone wants to say yes first. Everyone wants to come in, but absolutely 100, and then schedules get in the way. So the fact that you said maybe made me feel a whole lot better when that note comes for sure. Now this conversation, I'm like, man, I feel real good about that. No, when it comes back, I get it.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

And you knew you were going to be a little bit busy. No, that was. I'm about.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, I got you. I think it looks like it.

[Will]

So you got to do American Idol in the Voice. Which one? Which one do you prefer?

[Taylor]

Yeah, pick one.

[Jelly Roll]

Ah, thank you, Will. What a friend.

[Taylor]

I think that the question came from J.P. didn't it?

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. You're such a good friend. You re broke up Florida, Georgia.

[Taylor]

Last.

[Jelly Roll]

Any chance we had of that reunion tour happening. Y' all just went pow, pow special.

[Will]

Maybe it's the start of something special.

[Taylor]

Hopefully. I mean, you want them to get back together. They're putting absolute banger after banger out and behind the scenes, it was way worse than it was in public eye, too.

[Will]

So after American Idol and the Voice are also gonna. Where's your alliance with BK and Tyler?

[Jelly Roll]

Thanks. Great. You want to know who I'm voting for?

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Tell us who you're voting for.

[Jelly Roll]

I can't vote. That right has been restricted. That right has been restricted. I loved the. I love the Voice. I love them both. Obviously, the political answer. I do love them both.

[Will]

What are some differences experiencing them both?

[Jelly Roll]

I've had more time with America Idol, so I've done more with them. So by default, I know more about everything. Their production crew. It's obviously, I'm gonna. It's hard because Reba's at the Voice now and Danisha at the Voice too. It was easy Even just a year or two ago, because it was like, all the homies.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Are at American Idol. Luke Ryan's at American Idol. Lionel Richie loves me. I love him. Katy Perry's the coolest person ever.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

By the way, Katy Perry is a boss. She is so gangster. But. But the Voice now with Reba and Dan. Dude, it's Dan. And say it's really cool over there. I got to mentor at American Idol, though. That is special, dude. That really is. And that was different. I spent a whole day and I could not believe how excited I was to do it. Like, when I started, like, getting to hear their stories and seeing that I could actually help, because I just assumed, dude, if you've made it to the top 24 on American Idol, I don't got much advice for you, you know what I'm saying? Like, what do I know that you haven't figured out? You know what I'm saying? I'll go out here and sing off key right now.

[Taylor]

I'll fuck this whole thing up.

[Jelly Roll]

I'll bomb it. You know what I'm saying? I'm two drinks away from going completely tone deaf in this whole thing. You know what I'm saying? I don't think I can help, but when I realized that they were young and had never even some of these people had, like, never left their home state, and here they are in Hawaii, and they're fixing to go live in LA for three weeks with a bunch of strangers and battle it out on national tv, I was like, I can help these people. You know what I mean? It's like, you think about how that's a moment in their life that they'll tell to their great grandchildren, children, if they're alive, you know what I mean? Whether they came in 1st or 15th, that's a wild story that I'm getting to be a part of. So by default, probably American Idol. You wanted a direct answer?

[Taylor]

Was a direct answer.

[Will]

We got him.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Tmz. Jelly roll hates the Voice.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, for sure. And I love the Voice.

[Will]

You've always enjoyed that kind of stuff, though, because you go. You'll go to the local juvenile and everything else, I feel like. And you can correct me if I'm.

[Jelly Roll]

Wrong, but it almost You.

[Will]

You strike me as somebody who. There's been so many people who's imprinted on you that when. Now that you have the platform and the voice that you do, you know, you can have that same effect on a young you.

[Jelly Roll]

For sure. For sure. And I also draw from the times that nobody Was there, like, the juvenile thing is a stroke because the only people that came to see us when I was in juvenile were the Gideons. Are you familiar with the Gideon organization? Have you ever been at a hotel and open up a drawer and there was a Bible? Yeah, yeah, that's the Gideons. So what they do is they mass produce Bibles and give them away free. They give them to people incarcerated. Hotels, motels across America, they just give away Bibles. That's kind of there. And it's led by kind of a bunch of older men, but they would just come in and give us Bibles once a month, the New Testament, because they'd fit in our pocket. And which I appreciate because I read the Bible because of that. But nobody ever came in that, like, spoke like. Since I partnered with this juvenile up here, Joyner, Lucas, Machine Gun Kelly, we've had Titan players go, D Hop, hit me. He wants to go. Y' all are waiting on me to send y' all a date right now. You've hit me about that more than anybody will about hit you. And D Hop. D Hop hits me a lot like, yo, when am I going to the juvenile? Like, it's so cool to see that, you know? It's like, man, we never had nobody that cool come talk to us. Like, me and MGK went in there the other day and played spades for four hours with every unit. Unit.

[Taylor]

No, you clean house.

[Jelly Roll]

Clean house. Running dimes on, dog. You know what I mean? It was awesome. And it's like the coolest thing is most of these kids in here don't know either one of us, really. They might have known him because he's, like, uber famous. Or they know me because I'm local in the studios, named after me in the facility. You know what I'm saying?

[Will]

Oh, that's Jelly Roll.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, they're not like, jelly. They're not there banging, save me. You know what I'm saying? It's not a big hit in there.

[Taylor]

They might.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, you never know. You know what I'm saying? But they watch me on TV now when I have an award show, they watch. That's why I shout them out to see if tease. I knew they'd be watching. But yeah, so it's. I go in there because I just want them to see people that I don't know, man. It'd be really just to see things you don't see before. Like, just people to go in there and treat them like humans or kids again. Like, I just want to treat them like kids I go play spades and talk shit to them. You know what I mean? Like, it's fun. You know what they need? We forget their kids. And you know, the coolest thing is, Judge Calloway has been coming in there. She went in there when we did the songwriting program and wrote songs with the kids. She went in there when I went to see him last time to say hi and watch us play spades.

[Taylor]

Who's Joe Calloway?

[Jelly Roll]

Judge.

[Taylor]

Judge Calloway.

[Jelly Roll]

Judge Calloway is one of the judges at juvenile.

[Taylor]

Okay.

[Jelly Roll]

You know how awesome that is for them to see her be a human, not this godlike figure in a gown and a gavel. And it's so good for her to see them be 16, right? You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

Empathy. All the people walking through her door every day, eventually you get numb to it. It.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. And all you see. All you see, you don't see the agent. Think of him as a kid. You see specially aggravated robbery, right? You see attempted homicide, you see their charges. Because this juvenile down here is only houses, serious crimes. It's like, when I take you all there, you'll see there's kids in there looking at 20, 30, 40, 50 years. It's crazy sad. It's really sad. It's really dark. That's where I was for so many years. I spent years in that same facility, Music City Miracle.

[Taylor]

You watched it that.

[Jelly Roll]

I had the funniest moment in there last week. Taylor. I'm talking to this kid and we're doing the music program, and Ernest is up there singing or something. He goes, why you do this? And I go, why do I do what? He goes, why do you come here and sing for us? And I was like, because I was here. He was like, oh, you were somewhere like this? And I was like, no, I was here. He was like, like in a juvenile or a group home or something. I was like, here, motherfucker. Right here in this kitchen right here. I worked in there. I served food. Guy named Oscar was the kitchen ditted. I was in these sales. He was like, oh, you were here? I was like, yeah, here. And instantly I watched him look at me a little differently, right? You know, because it wasn't like I was from Minnesota or somewhere else. Like, I don't know, I was in this juvenile, you know what I mean? Once he got. It took him so long, it also made me realize, you know, that's also so humbling for me. I'm going and serving dudes that really, like I said, they know me, but they don't wasn't as cool when I brought Jordan Lucas. That was a big deal.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

When I FaceTimed NBA YoungBoy in there, they lost their jelly roll. Walks in, they're like, whatever. You want to play spades old dude, you know what I'm saying? Like, yes, play space, man. How's your case is that area, is.

[Taylor]

That all pretty much Nashville and Tennessee?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, it's all Nashville. You'll have a couple like from Columbia. They can't house them up there. Gallatin if they can't hold them up there. If it's a serious charge from like a county over.

[Taylor]

When you go, when you go there, is it pretty much look the exact same or there's been some upgrades. Like how does it feel walking back into that building after you spend so much time in there?

[Jelly Roll]

It's the exact same.

[Taylor]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

[Jelly Roll]

It's kind of sad. Yeah, it's kind of sad. The good news is they've. They've been approved because of the stadium moving. All that lands getting brought down eventually. So in the next three years they're going to move to a new juvenile too.

[Taylor]

Nice.

[Jelly Roll]

Which is cool because this, the county has agreed to let me get in early and build the studio in it from the beginning. So I'll be able to build a real estate because right now we've had to put a studio in a concrete and steel closet in every unit. So I've had to build like five of them. There's where here I'm gonna be able to build like real educational unit and education. I'm gonna be able to dump a couple million dollars into this place and really build it out.

[Will]

That's cool, man.

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[Jelly Roll]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Will]

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[Jelly Roll]

The first night was overwhelming and you don't know who's next to you and we didn't know what to expect in the morning. Nobody tells you anything.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to shock incarceration on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Taylor]

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[Jake Hofer]

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[Jelly Roll]

You might just miss it. He never thought he was going to get caught. And I just looked at my computer screen, I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Taylor]

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Taylor]

You brought up that new stadium, first concert. New stadium jelly roll.

[Jelly Roll]

I have a 2027. Can I tell you the craziest dream I have? This is like me dreaming big. I dream to be the last show at Nissan Stadium and the first show at Nissan Stadium.

[Taylor]

That would be hype as fuck.

[Jelly Roll]

Is that not? Wouldn't that be a, like, how much more poetic could it be for the local kid?

[Taylor]

That'd be awesome.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying? I tell you what, my big, you know, you know I'm doing a Stadium for CMA's this year. Saturday night. The Saturday night CMA. I'll do the 30 minute set, but I think we're going to swing for it next year.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

That's a breaking news too.

[Taylor]

And that, that's my last concert.

[Jelly Roll]

That's why everybody who wants to know why I didn't do Nashville this year wasn't because of the CMA fest. It was because I think next year I want to really go for it.

[Taylor]

If you're creating a lineup for that last one in the old Nissan Stadium.

[Jelly Roll]

Them.

[Taylor]

Who's a lineup?

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, goodness, man.

[Will]

Great question.

[Taylor]

Thanks, brother.

[Will]

Oh, that Jelly Rolling Friends. It's like, yeah, the Jelly. Jelly Rolling Friends, who are the ideal.

[Jelly Roll]

You gotta bring Ernest because he's a Nashville guy. That's like, a must. Do. You know what you do? You got to bring all the Nashville guys to some capacity. So, like, Tenpenny Chris Young. You know what I mean? Like Dustin Lynch. The obvious is like, all the Middle Tennessee guys have got to come straight in. You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know who's from Middle Tennessee? I didn't know it. And I was so embarrassed by this. The singer from Lady A. Hillary.

[Taylor]

Oh, for real.

[Jelly Roll]

She grew up in Donaldson.

[Will]

Yeah. I have no. That's over my head before.

[Taylor]

They've been cleaning up for about two decades.

[Will]

Yeah, I'll chalk that one up.

[Jelly Roll]

They're a huge deal. Yeah. I believe her name's Hill.

[Taylor]

There's three of them. Muffled.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, her name's Hillary. I'm sure. I'm not butchering it. And yeah, she's. She's from Nashville, too. And she came to me the other day about that and just kind of. We got to really talk about some Nashville stuff, so I do those. Then I would extend to the Tennessee portion of it. So I would love to have. I don't know if I blow. This could be some of my tricks. So I can't give all these away.

[Taylor]

Yeah, you're right.

[Jelly Roll]

But I would reach out to my Memphis friends. I would have a couple of my Memphis friends come up and be surprise guests. And I'd have a couple of my East Tennessee friends be surprised.

[Will]

Guess okay.

[Jelly Roll]

I would reach throughout the state for sure. I'd make it a Tennessee thing.

[Will]

And I love it, too, because the people who are Day One Jelly Roll people, they're already like. He's talking about so and so. He's talking about so and so.

[Taylor]

Yeah. And I have no idea who he's talking about.

[Will]

Jack, you have any idea what.

[Jelly Roll]

On who?

[Will]

Oh, from either East Tennessee or Memphis.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Oh, no. I mean, I can. I can probably guess on who he's hinting at.

[Taylor]

Yes. Dude.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

The Day One Jelly Roll. I was just thinking about that freestyle you have where you go. My po Ass. I hang drywall. I swear to God. That freestyle, me and my friends were watching it two weekends ago, like 2:00am and we're just, like, all standing up. But, like, this is so good.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm proud of that freestyle. It stands the test of time for the record.

[Taylor]

Freestyle he said, for the record.

[Jelly Roll]

For the record. Just so y' all know, all of my old music did not stand the test of time. Freestyle did.

[Taylor]

Dude, what was that transition like, going from rap to country?

[Jelly Roll]

It was easy because I was just starting to sing a lot more and play the guitar, and I was just. I was growing as a human and as a man. And I don't want to say I was running out of subject matter, but I really felt what Andre said when he was like, man. And my. I think he's in his 50s now, late 40s or whatever it is. He's like, what am I. What am I gonna rap about? You know, we're just understand we've never. Hip hop's like the ufc. It's not as old as we think it is. Like, we look at the UFC like, this has been around 100 years. People have been fighting forever. Yeah, but the UFC's really been around 30, 25, something like that. Like, if you compare it to how long football's been around, people have been throwing leather balls and calling it touchdowns. You know what I mean? Like, in comparison, the same thing happened with hip hop. Like, we don't know what that tailwind looks like. We're just watching our first real generation of hip hop, real commercial success, commercially successful rappers age, right? The Ice Cubes, you know what I mean? Like, we're just now seeing that happen. So I didn't even know how hip hop would age, to be honest, because all I seen was guys like Jay Z at the peak, when they were at their absolute best, say, I'm too old to do it. I'm done.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? So I kind of always had it in my head of like, okay, this is a young man sport, you know?

[Taylor]

One of Jay Z's best fuck you moments to me. And I just found out about this. The lead singer of Oasis, Wonderwall. Have you seen that clip?

[Jelly Roll]

This is.

[Taylor]

He was headlining. He's headlining at a festival, and it's like, it used to be like a. Just a strictly rock and roll festival, right? And Jay Z is like, the number one dude and the guy from Oasis.

[Jelly Roll]

This is 2008 in Glastonbury, by the way. It's one of the biggest festivals ever.

[Taylor]

Basically goes off on Jay Z. Like, this is about rock and roll. This is disgusting. Blah, blah. That kind of goes in on Jay Z. Jay Z opens his show singing Wonderwall.

[Jelly Roll]

He comes out singing Wonder.

[Taylor]

And then he. Then he goes, I got 99 problems, but ain't one. And he goes into It. Yeah. He's like, obviously not playing the guitar, but this goes so hard.

[Jelly Roll]

No, no, he's just being petty. This is how he started his show. This is what makes him the king. We share a birthday, and I take pride in that.

[Taylor]

You turn that up. You turn that up. Jack, the headphones.

[Jelly Roll]

Can you hear it?

[Taylor]

Put those headphones on. Jelly.

[Will]

Does Jelly have any.

[Taylor]

Do you have headphones? Damn, Jelly got no headphones.

[Jelly Roll]

Sorry. I know what he's doing here. I've watched this a thousand times. Such a fan.

[Taylor]

So this dude's been talking shit to him.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, this is. This is literally how he starts the show.

[Taylor]

And Jay Z didn't say a word in the media. People, hey, what do you think? He ignored radio, ignored news, all that, and he comes out and just shits on this cat. But, yeah, that's basically it. When you said Jay Z, I was like, damn.

[Will]

That is awesome.

[Taylor]

Yeah. You also brought up our boy mgk.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Which I know you did me a solid that night at the Super Bowl.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

He was the first time him and I met. I think I told this already on the podcast. He was obviously going through something. I think the thing with that UFC fighter, Sean Strickland. So he was kind of off. Threw a little shoulder into me, whatever. And I see Jelly Roll a couple nights later, and I was like, yeah, I met him because, you know, I'm a huge fan. I was like, yeah, it was all right, blah, blah, blah. Fast forward two nights later, we're at Caesars in this, like, private room, and it's me, Jelly, Dana. Dana Squad. And he walks in, and I was like, in the bathroom, came back, and this man was so nice to me to the point where he's like, yo, I'll send you my music. You can give me pointers. I'm thinking Jelly must have said something.

[Jelly Roll]

He is, like, the most misunderstood dude. You know what I mean? You caught him in those moments where he's constantly misunderstood because he just doesn't understand this all still in his mind. He's like, I don't even know this UFC fighter. Like, why would he even with me like that?

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? Yeah. He's like. Which I love Sean Strickland, too, so it sucks to kind of, you know, I'm such a fan of both, but it's like MGK just looks at it, like. And he had the realest thing he said to me one time. He said, man, I just feel like if I didn't have make the fashion choices I made, I would have Never caught all the I've caught. You know what I mean? He's like, I feel like I kind of get unfairly picked on just because I'm. I'm, you know, I'm artsy himself. Yeah. He's like I'm uniquely myself. He's like, but like he's. The sad thing is, you might not know it, he's like. But he says it just like this. He's like, don't let the pain and nails fail you. Like, I'm like a dude's dude. He really is. He's like a Go like wrestle with you in the yard, Go party with you all night. Like, he's like a dudes dude. You know what I mean? Like he's a funny kind of dude, man. And he's. You've seen it that night. He's charming, he's funny, he's a sweet dude. But his headlines would have you believe he's a monster.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? And he's got a chip on his shoulder and there is a little bit of that. But he's also. I remind people to remember where people are from. This dude is from the east side of Cleveland, Ohio. I don't know if you've ever been to Cleveland, Ohio, except for the time you spent at the Brown Stadium, but you've seen it. That was it.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

And I'm willing to bet the sun wasn't shining a bunch. I love that city to death. It's one of my favorite places to play because it's hard working America.

[Taylor]

It's a great safe.

[Jelly Roll]

But it's a tough town, dog. But listen, I compare all those towns like that, that Rust Belt, Pittsburgh's the same way. That's a tough town. Like, which is why the shows are great. Listen, this isn't a save. This is real. I would rather play anywhere in the Rust Belt than anywhere LA and down.

[Taylor]

Damn. That's a shot at Arizona. Yeah, up.

[Jelly Roll]

No, no, no. I love Arizona too. Arizona's dope. I'm saying coastal.

[Taylor]

The only reason why I go to Ohio is because Ohio State and I went to Michigan.

[Jelly Roll]

Sometimes those super major cities can be a little too cool for the show.

[Taylor]

Oh really?

[Jelly Roll]

They'll enjoy the show. But like when you go play Indiana, they lose their. On a Tuesday.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You go play LA on a Saturday, they'll get out of their seat for seven songs.

[Taylor]

LA's gotta be one of the hardest places to play.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Because everyone's in the music industry or the acting industry. Everybody thinks there's.

[Jelly Roll]

That's why my success in Nashville is so mind blowing to people. That's why it's always been a big deal that I could sell tickets here, because most artists can't.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, man, when you play Nash, so.

[Taylor]

Many people come in.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

I hate to cut this off, but I have to pee so bad.

[Jelly Roll]

Did you drink too much water there, big fella? Yeah. Yeah, I suck me down a leader and feel great.

[Taylor]

Hey, you with the sucking. That's the third time.

[Jelly Roll]

No, I'm telling you, man. Pause. No. Daddy. What did. What'd you do to Willie this morning? Why? Is he paying? Y' all drink last night or.

[Taylor]

No, no, we did nothing. We haven't. Dude, we drank at spring tour.

[Jelly Roll]

Are y' all really. What are y' all doing right now? Like, three pods a week?

[Taylor]

No, just one.

[Jelly Roll]

We.

[Taylor]

We did our spring tour. Our spring tour is like Falcons. We just did. Did two weeks ago or last week.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, I've seen the Bazaan. And that. Was that. How you say Bazaan?

[Taylor]

Robin, that kid's a stud, too. Talk about a kid who's just like.

[Jelly Roll]

What a cool person.

[Taylor]

Yes, he's awesome. Raheem Morris, the head coach, he's like a dude's dude, like, talking. We walked in the. In the facility, and he's legit. Like, hey, you guys do whatever the you want. Like, we're, like, walking on the field while they're doing practice, and a lot of NFL teams do not do that. Then obviously, Kirk's the man, too. Yeah, but we. During those spring tours, we'll do, like, three episodes in the week. But right now, I mean, it's Tuesday afternoons, or Tuesday mornings is when you're gonna catch busing with the boys.

[Jelly Roll]

How was. How was the RAN one? It hadn't came out yet. I'm excited about it.

[Taylor]

Oh, ran.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, bro.

[Taylor]

You're gonna, like, ran. The way he talks about Vrabel, how he left, I think the people listening now, that one came out last week, but he was. He's like one of those guys, too, where. With John Robinson. How. He was a gm. He kept it tight. Like the Patriots, they made it. Like, everything was like, need to know basis. Kind of kept to himself. Kept a major, like, arm's length with the players. With RAN he walks in the facility, dude, and everyone's like, loves him. He's sitting down. He's eating with the boys. Like, very. Keeps it very personal. It's a completely different energy in the Titans facility right now. Which. Low key. Being a Titans fan, dude, you should be hype. Right now.

[Jelly Roll]

I am. I'm going to be. I'm excited about the man. I mean, I think Will Levis has got the eye of the tiger. I've said it from day one. Yeah, I really do. It felt really good to hear Callahan feel the same way. Whenever he said. I think he said that was one of the things that made him want to take the job here.

[Taylor]

Yeah. The quarterbacks he's been with before.

[Jelly Roll]

Stafford, get out.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Stafford watching.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm like, this is insane.

[Taylor]

I know he's gonna go. I really think the tires are gonna go nuts.

[Jelly Roll]

We're gonna go to a practice sometime in the Summit summer. I'll take you. The days come.

[Taylor]

Yeah, well, we're gonna go up there.

[Jelly Roll]

And just shoot content.

[Taylor]

Absolutely. That would be awesome.

[Jelly Roll]

Awesome.

[Taylor]

But before Willie left, we were talking about mgk. If you guys talked about changing genres, was that anything? You guys, he was one of the.

[Jelly Roll]

Ones that inspired me.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

For sure. Yeah. Whenever he. His. His fearless tread in the rock. About the same time I was releasing Save Me, it was so funny because two dudes that came up doing the same thing, and there was a time me and MGK had real beef. We were very compared. There was a time where there could only be one white rapper at a time. You know, it's kind of that thing. And him and Yellow Wolf had problems.

[Taylor]

Eminem just crowns the next.

[Jelly Roll]

I was gonna say, you guys just.

[Will]

Put Eminem in a different stratosphere. It's between.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, yeah, 100. Yeah, 100. Me and I know him and Kel's had their thing, but at the end of the day, Eminem's the goat. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. You know what I mean? Like, that dude is the greatest of all time.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Period. No discussion.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? End of discussion.

[Taylor]

Broadcast over, period.

[Jelly Roll]

It's kind of like when Stapleton gets best male vocalist, and you're just like, we should just call it the Chris Stapleton Award. He should give it away.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

That's what we did with Eminem. You know what saying, like, we all know that. It's like. Like, you know, but. And back then, we took. You know, it's a bunch of street factors to it. We. We only squashed the beef because some street dudes got together and was like, yo, y' all need to figure this out because y' all are up some money. We got some going on that this is interfering with outside of y' all being two goofy white rappers. You know what I mean? We were like, all right, cool.

[Taylor]

So what was the beef?

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

I was gonna say I was a hater.

[Will]

Figure it out.

[Jelly Roll]

I was a young hater, and I thought I was just a loyal writer because it, you know, whatever, but at the end of the day, I was just desperate, you know what I mean? Yeah, just fucking desperate. Just being a fucking stone cold hater, you know, and had a call and be a man and say that one day, you know what I mean? But. And we've been cool ever since, man. He's. He's a. He's a great dude, man. That dude is a. He's. He's salt of the earth. I look, I'm hope I'm encouraging him right now to go do long form. I'm like, go do Schultz. Go do Joe. Go. Go get on the bus. Like, go do the rounds. Like, go. If the world seen what I see, they would look at you different.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? But they only see these real artistic pictures you post and these wild outfits and these headlines, you know what I mean? It's like they don't really get to see your heart, and you got such a good heart. Like, go show the world your heart. Like, this dude flies to Cleveland every single weekend to watch his daughter play volleyball.

[Taylor]

Yeah. That's all time.

[Jelly Roll]

Every weekend. Like, won't tour do shows during volleyball season. Like, it's just what he's on. That's just who that dude is. And I'm like, tell the world. Go tell that story. You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

Where's his hesitation from going and doing these long form shows?

[Jelly Roll]

He's kind of getting willing to.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? He's just. He's just, you know, he's been misunderstood and outcasted for so long, he don't even know how to approach it.

[Taylor]

Yeah. It's got to be hard, man.

[Will]

And he's got, like, an introverted personality, too. It's. There's that fear of, like. Like, if they're hating me like this, like, what if I show them myself.

[Taylor]

They can actually hate me?

[Jelly Roll]

Right? Right.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Because right now he could probably sit there and look at all the hate and be like, well, they don't really know me for sure. I misunderstood. The minute you allow them to understand you and hate you.

[Jelly Roll]

Right.

[Taylor]

That's a new fear unlocked.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

And he's also growing. He's young, man. He's a little younger than me even. Like, when Morgan had this incident with the bar stool, I got to remind people that, like, I could not as famous As I am today. If me and Bunny would have been this famous when we got together, we'd have gotten canceled immediately, for sure.

[Taylor]

Cancel before canceling, for sure.

[Jelly Roll]

We would have blown it. We'd have a nickel back for sure. We'd have blew it. We'd have got in trouble. Every way you can get in trouble to Sunday. We'd have been. I am not proud to say this and this in the headline I'm looking for, but I have. I've never thrown a bar stool off one of those roofs, but I've thrown off off of them before. I've been drunk enough to throw a plastic cup. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not proud of that neither. In my early 30s, late, big difference. But what I'm saying is, is that you're not far. We got escorted out by the police too. You know what I'm saying? It's like I've gotten up, you know, we got in bar fights back then, like, real deal. Like, we were, we were living a totally different thing. We were like, I just be patient, be graceful. You're talking about the most famous artist in America and he's 32 years old and he's from Spit Bucket, East Tennessee.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? Like, have a little grace.

[Taylor]

Which, by the way, that's one of your East Tennessee friends you would call in to do the show. Picking those pieces out, huh? That weed you gave me, I'm in.

[Jelly Roll]

Flow state right now, right?

[Taylor]

It is crazy. And I, I.

[Jelly Roll]

And I'm not saying he was so talented, but it's like, man, give my man. Man, give my man some grace, y', all, for sure. I thank God he blessed me because at 32 years old, I'm not going to Congress and talking about Fentanyl.

[Taylor]

Right?

[Jelly Roll]

But at 40 years old, I got a 16 year old that I'm afraid of doing drugs.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? You just. Life is more effective. Yeah. His son's gonna grow. He's gonna grow, man. My man just made a bad mistake, dog. He was over celebrating. Could you imagine being that famous? I'd be over celebrating too.

[Will]

A barstool, downtown, down.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Will]

He catches a lot of heat too, because he's had some. He's had some dust ups recently over the last like couple years or something.

[Taylor]

He says your favorite word.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

But I'm saying, then you go out, you're like, I'm gonna go do rehab. Like, you're gonna go through all this stuff and then you have an incident like the Bar stool.

[Taylor]

And it's, you know, it is nuts.

[Will]

And you're that, like you said, the most.

[Jelly Roll]

Did y' all see Schultz when he came to town? Did y' all see that?

[Will]

No.

[Jelly Roll]

Two things. Sidebar. We'll get back to that. But because this will parallel Andrew Schultz hour that he's doing right now, the life might be the best. And I'm a comedy fan. Yeah, you might be the best hour I've ever seen.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

I'm not bullshitting. And I went to. I went and seen everybody Comedy week. I hung out with Tony Henchliffe again. That's my one become one of my best friends. Tony Henscliff's immerse murderer. I got to watch him work out some of them roast jokes at the rhyming.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Dude, it was so cool.

[Taylor]

You obviously watched the roast.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, God, how incredible.

[Taylor]

He owned the show. And Will was talking to him. I don't know if you could say what you were saying, because the vlog's gonna come out, right?

[Jelly Roll]

We.

[Will]

Because this will come out. This CMA fest is this weekend. Yeah, but he was at. We were in Austin to do Two Bears, One Cave, and I was on before him. I did an hour with them. And then as we're sitting and eating, you know, they have that comic Dave, who does all the grilling, the barbecue and everything else. We're in there eating like, oh, Tony's next. So Tony Hinchcliffe comes in, and I'm like, oh, shit. Like, I know you've heard this, but you obviously absolutely murdered it. It's been crazy to see you're just not overnight success, but the way that mainstream has seen you and your popularity in the last since then. And yeah, he was like, yo, step outside with me while I rip this dart like he's smoking a cigarette. He's like, I'll be in there in a minute. And we're just out there talking, and he's telling me how he basically squeezed in more time of how everything unfolded during the roast because they were only giving him. He could stand up and roast, like the table he was at. And then he like, kind of talked his way in the night before to do. To do what he did. He knew in his mind he was going to do that, but he had to keep it close to the vest because it was like, there's going to be a situation where I walk up there on stage and I do everything that he basically did.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, no, no. He's. That dude owned the night to me. Him and Nikki owned it.

[Will]

And he even talks through that strategy because he's like, I. I'm two hours after Nikki, so you're feeling the energy in the room. And I pro. I probably wouldn't have done a These jokes up front if I was at the beginning or if I was right after or at a different time. He talks about the instinct and the feel thing. Through it all, you can tell, like, he's.

[Jelly Roll]

No.

[Will]

I mean, He's, I think, 11 years. 17 years of comedy. 11 years with the live show.

[Jelly Roll]

He is one of the greatest comedians. I said this when I got to introduce him at the rhyme and because we've become really good buddies, is he has done more for new comedians in the last 10 years than any comic ever has ever.

[Will]

Because of that 60 second, because of.

[Jelly Roll]

That Kill Tony show. He's been putting comedians on for a decade plus now. 11 years, he's been putting comedians on. His timing is impeccable. His reading a room, his roasting. He's one of the original roasters with Jeff Ross. You look back at young baby face Tony Henscliffe just slaughtering people. But I think he owned the night for this reason. He was the one comedian that you could tell he didn't just make you laugh, he made you go. You know what I mean? Right. Every single. Just. He's just. Zach Crowell said it the best. He's a knife of a man. You know what I'm saying?

[Will]

Yes.

[Jelly Roll]

A knife of a man. And watching him walk and me being, like, really good friends with him when it was over, and then watching Kevin kick it back, like, hold on. We don't need to gloss by this one, y'. All. We just watched something happen here.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Let's let this simmer for a second. And you just watched all them comedians on stage loving on him.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

He's even blushing a little bit. It was like, clip this to me so I could send this to Tony.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

But it's like, man, that dude watching him, and I. I'm. I'm looking. I'm seeing myself in all these parallel stories, too. It's that, like, when he wins, I feel like I won a little bit kind of thing. Right. And I think that's how y' all feel when I win. It's how I feel when y' all win, because I feel like we all kind of started not at the same time, but we were all at the same place around the same time, all hungry. All, like, hungry and trying to figure it out. He just moved to Austin about the same time y' all were busting the boat. And that's when it really started, you know, till Tony's been going. But it's when it started growing legs and getting bigger. Then we watched the bus grow. I've watched the same thing happen with Schultz. When me and Schultz wrote Open her up in 2020, you know, he was doing two nights at Zany's, man. Schultz is doing arenas everywhere in America, multiple nights.

[Taylor]

He's a stud too. Tony. Murdering.

[Jelly Roll]

Yes, murder. Yeah.

[Will]

He even talked about knowing him, doing all the rest and everything else. He's doing it for the, the audience. That is like a part of his show. He knows there's, there's so many people beyond the walls of it. Some of those jokes feeling uncomfortable, which is what we love is like you're sitting in there like, man, you gotta wonder what the temperature is in that room when these jokes are being said. But he talks about it through that lens, like about how much of a, of a game it is, like in real time. Like being an athlete on the field. And he's from Youngstown, Ohio.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, yeah.

[Will]

So we were connected. Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Which is already a poor side of Ohio.

[Taylor]

I was on a couple of shout outs on the, this podcast, man.

[Jelly Roll]

He.

[Will]

He says, he says he runs his.

[Taylor]

Operation, Shout Out Detroit. I actually love Detroit. One of my favorite places to play, actually.

[Jelly Roll]

Literally.

[Will]

But he was saying how he runs his operation like a college football team because you got the Stoops, the Polinis, that grew up in Youngtown, a very hard nosed talent. But he was cool, man. Super nice dude.

[Jelly Roll]

He's, he's. And he's an old school. He's a comics comic too. Every night he's at that comedy mothership and he's downstairs after, after a set, smoking a cigarette, talking to Carrie, the bartender at Mitzi's and running back material with the boys.

[Taylor]

That's awesome.

[Jelly Roll]

Like, I get to sit in there and watch it every time I go. I've got to go. I think four times this year already. Just because we've been out there so much for different. For the awards and I spent a week out there for the CMTs, but I've already, you know, it's just, he's just who he is. He lives it. Yeah. I love people that live their craft. That's why we're all drawn to Earnest or y' all are drawn to me. Like people who are like, like I love old school music men too. Like them dudes that show up in boots and dusters and hats and they just look dirty and they'd be like they've been playing guitar for 20 years straight.

[Taylor]

The best guitar players.

[Jelly Roll]

That's it. I love those dudes and I love people that truly live their craft.

[Will]

You can tell his life is dedicated to that style of comedy for sure.

[Taylor]

Yeah. It's incredible to me because when you were talking about meeting Tony and I was like, yeah, it's crazy. This thing he did just blew up and you were telling me it was 11 years, I fell a victim to seeing something that's now popular and not realizing how long it took to get to that point.

[Jelly Roll]

Right.

[Taylor]

Which is so many things I feel like casual fans of whatever don't see.

[Jelly Roll]

Right.

[Taylor]

Because he is. No, he is hilarious.

[Will]

He's been in the trenches for a.

[Jelly Roll]

Ten year overnight success store.

[Taylor]

Yeah. The ten year overnight.

[Jelly Roll]

Ten year overnight success story.

[Taylor]

It is crazy, man.

[Jelly Roll]

It's, it's, it's. Which is funny because it's fun to see you in that business now because y' all two came from the opposite business.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

I guess it's what's still kind of the same though. Y' all played football for 15 years for free, you know what I mean? Before y' all went on for it to change your life in every way it could. But it's like the, the meat of your careers, that 21 to 29.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Where like they say, an artist doesn't hit his actual peak until he's like 27. It's like the artistic peak, you know what I mean? So it's just, it's just, it's just a different game, man.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Jelly Roll]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal college football podcast. College football season is here and you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.

[Taylor]

Uh huh.

[Jake Hofer]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through, through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and, of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the solid verbal college football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jelly Roll]

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[Taylor]

It is a weird world. It's weird transitioning worlds too. Like going from one to then. Now doing this. I'm playing football forever. It's all, you know.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Because now you're a half a decade into the ten year grind.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

Absolutely.

[Jelly Roll]

But you're already getting big calls.

[Taylor]

Cool calls.

[Jelly Roll]

Really cool. Yeah. I tell you what, at five years in, I wasn't getting cool calls.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

I can tell you that. No cool calls were happening five years in for me.

[Taylor]

We will see. We will see. Need you to watch.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, it comes out, I'm in. I'm just. I'm supporting you in general, but. But whatever. You know me.

[Will]

Speaking of cool calls, our agents on the way over, he's like out of breath sprinting around the airport. Oh, is he?

[Taylor]

Yeah. One on the other side. I had a bite of food. I was so hungry. I had one bite, took a piss and I was like, oh, climb. What's up over here?

[Will]

Loves you.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, loves you.

[Will]

He's sprinting around the hill. Like once it was, I saw the group chat when I was taking a piss and it was like, all right. He's like, hey, I landed. I'll head right on over and. And stuff like that. And Steve was like, okay, all good. Take your time.

[Jelly Roll]

Time.

[Will]

The boys are in the middle of an interview with Jelly Roll, and everybody's just hitting the chat like, oh, Klein's gonna lose his mind. And he's like. He's like, I'm out of breath trying to get to my Uber. I'm out of breath trying to get to my Uber.

[Jelly Roll]

I want to meet him. Was that what he represents? Y' all on the book, live booking side, or.

[Taylor]

No, he does podcast.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, he does. He represents all the bus and brand in general. Wow.

[Taylor]

Silver Tribe.

[Will]

Yes.

[Taylor]

Dave Portnoy's best friend.

[Will]

Yeah. Yeah. He loves agents.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

Our deal's up. We got. We gotta. It's contract year for the.

[Taylor]

Contract year for the boys.

[Jelly Roll]

Contract year. How y' all feel about it?

[Will]

It's all good, man.

[Taylor]

I mean, you kind of just do the content, and then whenever the conversations come up, you just have the conversations.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

But then you got to put in your back pocket, just keep moving forward.

[Jelly Roll]

Kind of meet you where you're at. I hate to circle back, but you know me. The Andrew Schultz show.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Jelly Roll]

Best show, best I've ever seen. And I'm sure he won't mind me stepping on this joke, because I'm. I don't think he's going to use it for a special, obviously. But, you know, he does kind of crowd work at the beginning of all his shows. Kind of what he. You know, Schultz is just a sharp guy guy. He's just. He's one of the best comedies comedians ever. And he came out talking about the Morgan Wallins bit about. You know, because it just happened. It was like the week of. And he was like, we're not mad at him, though. Right? He goes. Because we don't really know who he was throwing that barstool at. He said if he was throwing at a bachelorette party, he is the hero Nashville needs. You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

Not the one we deserve, but.

[Jelly Roll]

But just hearing him just how sharp Schultz is, is that he just.

[Will]

Bro, he just seems so knowledgeable, and he understands, like, enough. It feels like in every area of life to where you sit there, you're like, how does this man come up with all of this stuff?

[Taylor]

Yeah. Even watching the show. Is it flagrant. That's his podcast. Yeah, bro. It is so good. And he's. He just had a CIA operative on there, for sure. XCIA guy. And they're Going back and forth a whole bunch. And you watch that little 30 second clip showing you what the show's going to be about. God damn. This is gonna be an awesome show. He does. He does a great job.

[Will]

Very with it. Very well spoken, very curious. Yeah, yeah, he does a great job.

[Jelly Roll]

His hours, it's one of the tightest hours I've ever seen.

[Taylor]

Really.

[Jelly Roll]

It is special.

[Taylor]

You. You did say it's the best hour you've ever seen.

[Jelly Roll]

It might be the best hour I've ever seen. It's in the top five. I'm high, so I'm five. I don't want to get held to the corner. Number one ever. But it's definitely a top five for sure.

[Taylor]

It is not seen sight unseen when.

[Jelly Roll]

It comes out out. I put it this way. There's two moments in it that I teared up. It's like, it's. It's a one man show almost. It's. It was special, man.

[Taylor]

God, I can't wait to.

[Will]

We had the shot to go when he was. He was at the Ryman. Was he at the Ryman?

[Jelly Roll]

I was at the Randall Opry house. Y' all should have came. I came out.

[Will]

There was something happening that weekend where we weren't in town. Neither of us were because Derek Poston, you know Derek.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, of course.

[Will]

He was like, hey, you and the boys, you guys want to come out to see shows? A show. I was like, man, nobody's in town this week.

[Jelly Roll]

Derek killed it that night too, bro.

[Will]

Seeing, even seeing him, he's. He's been ascending. Like, that's Darren Bates. That's like one of DB's best friends.

[Jelly Roll]

Really.

[Will]

And he was on when my time.

[Jelly Roll]

On the Raw Room.

[Will]

And then we're over at AJ's house one night just cutting up and he's telling cereal. He's like talking about cereals and scary movies and seeing, like, him and who's his. Who's his, like, co host in his show. I know I'm putting this on the spot there, but seeing seeing those two at that moment in time and now seeing the circles that they're in, like the circles that Derek talking about on.

[Jelly Roll]

Derek's show or on Andrew? So Derek. Okay.

[Will]

Oh, because Derek has a pot, too. I know. He kind of sit. Doesn't he sit in now on shows, your show? He's like part of that crew.

[Jelly Roll]

Well, he's been. He's. Him and Schultz have been together for a while.

[Will]

Yeah, but seeing him in all those circles. And then Rogan, Tony. Tony was bringing him Up. It's just like, it's, it's, it's cool to see because everybody in that community is like, you're one person removed from everybody, man.

[Taylor]

Who, who is this guy?

[Will]

Derek Poston? Go ahead, bring him up.

[Jelly Roll]

He's. He's a hoot and a half, man.

[Will]

He was on here dude. He was on the back of the bus when sh was on with Chandler and I that one that the very first time in the summer, year number one. He was in the back swinging it out.

[Jelly Roll]

He is funny, funny man.

[Will]

Dude.

[Jelly Roll]

He's.

[Will]

Yes, he really is.

[Jelly Roll]

He's special.

[Taylor]

I don't think I've met this dude.

[Will]

And matter of fact, the Shaw when we went to see Shaw, but zany posting was one of the openers.

[Taylor]

Oh, one of the three.

[Will]

Yeah, one of the three openers.

[Jelly Roll]

No, he's super funny and it seemed.

[Will]

Like he's like, you know, ascending.

[Jelly Roll]

I'll tell you, another good hour to watch right now on Netflix is Brian Simpson.

[Taylor]

Brian Simpson, pull him up his lab.

[Jelly Roll]

From the comedy mothership. It's the first one that. He's the first one that came live from the comedy mothership. He's one of the first ones to move down there. I so the cool thing about this was I experience on Netflix. I got to experience him in the club the first time and he stole the night. Like I left. He had a bit. I won't say it because it's on his special that he said. I heard it one time that night and I've told it a thousand times probably to anybody who will listen. It's one of the funniest bits I've ever heard. Just the one funny bit. The whole, the whole special is great, but he had a 15 minute set on a Ron White show the first time I ever seen him.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

And I like thinking about that bit. Yeah. You know what I mean? That's what I left thinking about.

[Taylor]

I wonder what those headliners think when they have a guy like that who just kills.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

You really want him on your show.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

People walking away not thinking about you, thinking about them instead.

[Jelly Roll]

No, dude. They love that though. It makes them step it up. I seen them talk about it in the green room.

[Taylor]

Really?

[Jelly Roll]

It's the most comedians I heard. There's a lot of competition in comedy, but I've only experienced the groups of people that love each other. So when they're like, no, trust me, comedy's not always like this. I'm like, it's all I've ever seen.

[Will]

There's like a lot of homies.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. My truth is, the 12 friends I've made in comedy all love the out of each other, work together, boost each other up, and are all damn near arena acts now. You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

Yeah. There's got to be high school. If you think all the.

[Jelly Roll]

What's like the musicians out there, right? It's like this. Nashville's high schoolish. There's artists that you get clicks. There's artists that are, you know, they're the homies. Songwriters are the same way. They kind of all write with the same people. They'll let somebody in and out every now and then a rent, but it's all clicky. You're right. It's all high school.

[Will]

Then you kind of hate on the circles that are not in the circles.

[Jelly Roll]

It happened.

[Taylor]

There's always. That always happens.

[Will]

Jelly roll, mgk, prime example.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, right.

[Taylor]

Not in the same circles. At one point decide to hate on each other.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Not even on each other. I was the hater. The sad part was I was eat that.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

But it was all me, you know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

God damn.

[Will]

He's like, you guys got a squash this beef? And MGK's like, what are you talking.

[Jelly Roll]

He's like, why does this guy hate me? You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

He did get all those like all black tattoos.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, yeah, he blacked it out.

[Taylor]

What's your. What's your thoughts?

[Will]

What's your.

[Jelly Roll]

I'll probably butcher this right now, but I think it was somebody from maybe not Limp Bizkit, but I don't know. This has been happening. This is an age old rock and roll thing. Ronnie Radkey, my buddy from Fallen in Reverse has the Blackout tats. There was another big band that does it. 21 pilot paints. There's a bunch of bands that do that on stage that just paint. It's a thing what he did it for. And I appreciate this and I don't know, I don't want to share his story. I'll let him share it, but this was more about, I think him. He's transition. He's like. That's not the word in this climate.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Jelly Roll]

So he's making a big change in his life.

[Taylor]

Machine Gun Kelly's transition.

[Jelly Roll]

He's. No, no, don't do that to me, Taylor. He's making big changes in his life. He's like really trying to become a new person.

[Taylor]

Person.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, he's. He's kind of in that. I remember when I did it. You know what I mean? He's done it before, but he's shedding that last bit of that. That old mentality away. And I think that was something to do with his tattoos. People hate on the old Ronnie Rady did it a couple years ago.

[Taylor]

Yeah, you gotta have the right body.

[Jelly Roll]

I think the first time I seen Ronnie do it, I was like insane.

[Will]

But hey, you know, I can also.

[Jelly Roll]

Tell you I've thought about doing it. I hate so many of my tattoos. Not everybody had the privilege of like getting tattoos they love. Like we were getting scratched on sixes from a guy that made one out of. Yeah, yeah, dude. That made one out of a guitar string and a boombox.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, some of these tattoos suck. You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

My tattoo is in town.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, next week. You got one in town next week.

[Taylor]

Next week.

[Jelly Roll]

Does he do cover up work?

[Taylor]

He'll do it. Yes.

[Jelly Roll]

Man, I'm ready to start.

[Taylor]

See all that covering up all that tribal and stuff like that?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, he killed.

[Taylor]

See it peeking through in the.

[Jelly Roll]

That's fine. I hope it don't look bad at all. Yeah, I'd let him do anything because I've thought about it too, man.

[Taylor]

Man, I think it kind of. There's parts of. To me I wouldn't get the tattoo, but I think it kind of looks hard.

[Jelly Roll]

I think it's gangster.

[Taylor]

Guys out here.

[Will]

Oh, no, not at all, bro. Would love to hear the story behind the all black.

[Taylor]

Will's gotten.

[Jelly Roll]

You hear me? Pull up in reverse. He's got him too. And I hate to make you do this, cat. Bondi's blacked out.

[Will]

Like if he's trying to like cover up tats. There's also the procedures where you can get it removed.

[Jelly Roll]

Moved.

[Taylor]

You know that hurts.

[Jelly Roll]

So he went blacked out too.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

That is a crazy black.

[Taylor]

I mean, neck on that thing.

[Jelly Roll]

So bad.

[Taylor]

So bad.

[Will]

You think that goes hard?

[Taylor]

I think on certain spots. Like, I think like if you had a piece of your form that was all blacked out.

[Jelly Roll]

There's another rock band that's. I don't want to think. I don't think it was.

[Taylor]

Yeah, you know what I mean?

[Jelly Roll]

Some other rock band.

[Taylor]

But he's got the body type to do that. Thinner cat, big piece body type.

[Jelly Roll]

Is that Trey Cyrus? The Trace Cyrus Blackout too. I have been on social media in a while. Looks like Trey Cyrus over there. The left. Is that Trace? No, it's not.

[Will]

Jesus Christ. Hey, that's spooky. That's what that is.

[Jelly Roll]

But I forgot who it was.

[Taylor]

I don't know about the body mods.

[Jelly Roll]

And I'm telling you, 21 palace. There's been a lot of bands that paint for like, like shows. So that's kind of always been a rock, rock and roll thing.

[Taylor]

21 pilots, car radio, that song, that music video goes so hard.

[Jelly Roll]

21 pilots, slaps, period. Yeah, they're just dope. I love it. An emcee and a drummer. Like, what a cool little two man crew, you know what I'm saying? Gangster, old school. Just like, yo, we don't need a lot. Their production's always crazy.

[Taylor]

Is it nuts?

[Jelly Roll]

Their production?

[Taylor]

How much thought process do you put into that with your production?

[Jelly Roll]

Tons. I'm doing my first real arena tour this year. I've done arenas and amphitheaters last year. But because you're going from an arena to an amphitheater, there's only one way you can build a stage in an amphitheater. It's the stage. They're all pre built. Yeah, there's no, you can't. You know what I mean? Like, so because I'm doing all arenas now, I've got to like make some cool decisions. We'll talk about off camera, but I've got to make some. Like that whole arena becomes a canvas for you to a degree, you know what I mean? Like, you got a 16,000, 20,000 seat arena that you're like, I can put a stage here, I could put something up here. I could do something here. I could have a light go here. I could, you know, it's like, it's cool. Cool.

[Taylor]

Did the bridgestone when you got in that golf cart to go the other side? Yeah, he's got a. Yeah, no, he's got to get down jelly and I.

[Jelly Roll]

Hit the pop up with the boom, you know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

That did go crazy, man.

[Will]

What else? What else? Yeah, what else are you working on the album?

[Jelly Roll]

New music. Like I told y', all, new music. Most important thing I want to talk about if I, I'm. I need to start talking about music again. Been talking about I told the Jelly Roll story for like two years because nobody, you know, I was introducing myself to the world and then I got. Now I get caught up in like the headlines and like, what's happening currently. Like, I need to start talking about music. It's time to start really talking about music.

[Taylor]

Yeah, with, with your new album. Like, how close are we, man?

[Jelly Roll]

It's done. I just need to figure out what.

[Taylor]

Songs I'm keeping 130 songs.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. The album's been done. I just don't know what songs I'm putting on. Yeah, I'm that.

[Will]

Is there like a. Is there like a number, a range that you're wanting to.

[Jelly Roll]

I want to do like 20 something this year because I think Morgan had it right. I think Morgan's feeding the consumption the right way. You know, I think that they dropped 36 songs last year. He's already teasing new singles. Dropped like a four pack on YouTube. Did the post single already like that.

[Taylor]

Post. He's hard, too.

[Jelly Roll]

It's the song of the summer. That and Shaboozi are the song.

[Taylor]

We were banging that on the way back from Atlanta. Banging his people hate on it, too. The old country boys like this.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

He just played live in east on Sunday night.

[Taylor]

Basement, right?

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Yeah, basement, yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Good. Which is good for him. I'm proud of him to have the song of the summer, the biggest dream song in America right now, and to still go out and play clubs. It shows your integrity.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Because it's like he knows he's got to learn the road. He's a great guy. Y' all text me about him. And I didn't know him much at the time, and I was like, I don't know. And then I got to really spend some time with him at the ACMs. He is. He is a great, great guy. Like, young, charismatic, just handsome, fun. Just good energy. So we ACMs, we. We ended up at this. We had a little party after. And, you know, I'm old school, man. We do the no phones thing.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

So we're in there just, you know. You know, we're doing our thing. Right. We're having a good time.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

And there's a moment where I look up and it's me, Kane Brown, playing against Jason Aldean and Post Malone and beer pong for like 10k or something. You know what I mean? Like, it's like a real game. And the whole. The bar is full and everybody's there. And I. Full disclosure. And I hadn't shared this yet. I had never played beer pong. Right. I mean, I didn't go to college or nothing.

[Taylor]

10 can a game. You don't know how to play.

[Jelly Roll]

Well, I knew something most people. I knew Post was really good and I knew Kane was really good. And then I had to decipher as to which one was more competitive. And in my heart, I knew it was Kane because Post is just a real love, not the. Kane's not a loving guy. But Post is just like a real, like, you know, he's a competitive guy when he plays, but he's fun, Right. Kane is a fierce competitor. You know what?

[Will]

I'm getting his eyes.

[Jelly Roll]

I didn't come here to have fun. I came to beat you.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying? So I was like, I'm a Kane. You know what I'm saying? I'm in on this. And Kane was like, post is good. I'm good. Aldean's mid year mid. And I was just like, all right, I'll take mid. And I'm thinking, I don't have never played. But I don't disclose this, right? And I got the picture because we. Aldean's photographer took a couple pictures, but it ended up being. I don't even know how I got bunny trail. Oh, shibuzzi. That's how I got here. So we're playing. We're having the best night appear bong. And Shaboozi's just. He's like the life of the party, cutting in and throwing for Posts. He's just fun. Everybody instantly loves him. Like he's got that natural walks in the room and you're like, I like, like this guy.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying? Just naturally that thing, you know, like, he's a great guy, man.

[Will]

Do you end up winning the 10k?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. But Kane did. I didn't do anything.

[Will]

Do you make any.

[Jelly Roll]

I made three out of 13 or something. I did some. Kane carried me though. But the next game, Kane stepped out and Shea Mooney stepped in and I dropped like 11 cups. Once I figured out what was going on, I. Bald.

[Taylor]

No.

[Jelly Roll]

Yes. I. I'm instantly good at it. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just, you know, maybe I was just high enough. It's just a lazy enough sport that works for me. You know what I'm. It's just fucking.

[Taylor]

That is why I've never heard of beer pong being played for 10k.

[Jelly Roll]

It's a real thing. Yeah.

[Taylor]

And I know Po. He. Post had like a game show at one point, didn't. He was like playing beer drinking games of people.

[Jelly Roll]

Helm and Kane were. It was almost like watching a different language be spoken. Like the way they would talk about the symmetrics of the game. They'd be like. He's like, you get what you want to use one of now? He's like, yeah, but I want to do a 2, 3, 1, 2. And he would set the cups up. You know what I'M talking about y'. All. I know I sound stupid. I'm learning this all in real time. I haven't told it. They're gonna learn this. Let me get it.

[Will]

Let me get a zipper. Let me get a zipper with those.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, they're gonna learn this. Watching this, I had no clue. What. I just went along with it, like. Yeah, for sure. No, I play. I got. You never played in my whole life.

[Taylor]

There's these brothers on Instagram, the ones that do, like that little side eye thing.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, yeah.

[Taylor]

They do a whole deal about beer pong and how they're. All the aggressive setups you can do about the three, two. One, two. Give me that. Your mother's daughter.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

Hey, those cups. Touch those cups.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm not touching. No. We did a Mario flag, though. Yeah, there was a good one. A Mario flag was a fun one.

[Taylor]

What is that?

[Jelly Roll]

I don't know. Two or three. I don't remember. Dude, listen, now keep in mind, I'm.

[Will]

Learning this like a.

[Jelly Roll]

Like a three in the morning after I just won a award. I'm cranked.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I'm saying? I am. I have. The lights are on, but nobody us home. You know what I'm saying? Definitely one of those.

[Taylor]

What's tomorrow, Jack?

[Jelly Roll]

Say that again. What's the Mario flag?

[Will]

It's got to be the three with two extra. Like if there's five. You know what I mean?

[Jelly Roll]

Three and then one between the first.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Taylor]

Okay.

[Jelly Roll]

It looks like a flat.

[Taylor]

I'm gonna take that.

[Will]

Put my back a little pointy flag. That's a nice Mario.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. No, I said, cuz Kane called for it. Kane said, give me the Mario flag. And post looked disgusting. And I was like, this is deep.

[Will]

This is.

[Jelly Roll]

This is deep. Right. Then I looked at Aldean. I was like, I hope Aldean knows as much as I know. And I could tell he knew some. And I was like, I really don't know what's going on.

[Taylor]

Keep it close to your vest, though.

[Jelly Roll]

Keep the cars close.

[Taylor]

For sure. All of us. You heard him. Give him the Mario flag.

[Jelly Roll]

Confidence.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Will]

Sounds like we should reach out to Kane and Post Malone.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Will]

For beer games.

[Taylor]

For beer Olympics.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Excuse me.

[Will]

Beer games. Yeah.

[Taylor]

I keep calling it the bo.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, we can't call it the Bo no more.

[Taylor]

No. Well, the. The real O is this year. Beer. So I feel like there's some copyright things.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

They can really come after it since it's so official.

[Taylor]

Titles. Beer games, Championship of the world.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. How do y' all feel about it. I know y' all have had some drop, some come, some go. How's it balancing out?

[Taylor]

I think based on the last couple of years and how we're gonna release.

[Will]

It, how we're gonna roll this one out. Yeah, there's a lot more to learn to it.

[Taylor]

It's gonna be. It's gonna be so much more than just drinking, like, the first night. There's gonna be the gambling, the Dana White, the tunnel of chaos type vibes time.

[Jelly Roll]

Wow.

[Will]

We have it themed out.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Like, we're doing the whole high roller room, and we're. Let's all busting with the boys, all. All that stuff. So it'll be really cool. And then obviously your concert at the end.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, for sure.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

The beer games will be out there by the pool.

[Taylor]

Everything.

[Will]

Stuff's shrubs getting put in.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, dope. So y' all games will happen at the pool, and they'll clear it out and let patrons in.

[Taylor]

Let patrons and let them get after, because. Yeah, we just have one little section of the pool. The pool's still gonna be public. Public, but it'll be high enough so people can't see in. It's gonna be a nice little setup.

[Jelly Roll]

I love Red rocks. Anyways, dude, I've only been there once for y' all because I want to go meet you, and then I end up meet at the other spot. But I went in there and won immediately. Yeah, me and Cody exposed, went in there, and at one.

[Taylor]

Hey, that was like, where you at? I'm like, oh, I'm at Red Rock. You coming over? He's like, yeah, I'm coming. Three hours go by, and Dana hits me up. He goes, hey, come to Caesars. I was like, all right, I guess Jelly's not coming. Literally. Get in the car. I'm halfway to Caesars. Hey, where you at? At? I just got here. I was like, oh, dude, this is where I'm at. Yeah, so he came and met us.

[Will]

Up, but Jelly roll time today. Yeah, I was gonna say we're joking about the times and stuff. In our group chat yesterday, you said, like, we go 12:30 and expect one or 12. Expect.

[Taylor]

Yeah. So we'll go at 12, and we'll fully expect to be there at 12:30.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

These are early calls.

[Taylor]

From these early calls, how is your sleep? Is your sleep changed?

[Jelly Roll]

No, just the routine when you wake up has changed. The routine has changed, change. And. And I'm. What I am now willing to do is I used to be totally anti this, but days like Today I sacrifice a little sleep to make sure I got my morning in.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

And I'm okay with that. I used to be like, sleep's more important than that. I was like, you're gonna die in your sleep of obesity.

[Taylor]

Hey, the sleep is what I mean.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, nah, I think losing the weights.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

So let me quit making that. I'm eating a cookie. Like, oh, I gotta sleep. You know, sleep's important, brother.

[Will]

You have slept enough.

[Taylor]

It's legit. Like a religious thing for you. You got to do it every single day.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, I love that, dude. I'll take, like, one day off a week, or even then I'll still do one. I'll probably do something. You know what I mean? Or I'll take one or two days off. I'll take two to three days off the walking portion.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Just because I'm still so big that if I try to walk six days a week, it would just beat me to the brakes.

[Taylor]

So many pairs of socks.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

Those are two a day.

[Jelly Roll]

Those are steak. The worst part is my wife put me on blast. She immediately commented under it when it was going viral. She was like, he also does this with shirts.

[Will]

You gotta love that.

[Jelly Roll]

She was like, shirts and boxers. And that's all true.

[Taylor]

You love how Bunny just doesn't give a about the noise.

[Jelly Roll]

Bunny doesn't care about that.

[Taylor]

She's maybe the number one savage in the world.

[Jelly Roll]

Yes, dude. She's the greatest woman ever. And she doesn't care about. She will. First of all, she will clap back. Be careful coming for Bunny. She will fire you. Know what I'm saying? Bill Bar said something about me. I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Bill Maher, did you not read this?

[Taylor]

No.

[Jelly Roll]

Yo, pull up the New York Post what Bill Maher said about Jelly roll, please. I'm sorry. Not to tell you what to do, Jack, but this is really.

[Will]

And just knowing and going off of how badass your wife is. Like, you. I have such that vibe about her to where I'm not even nervous when I text. Like, hey, we're trying to hit up Jelly roll. This is what we're trying to get done. What do you know? What can you tell me? She's, like, responding.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Will]

I'm about to go on a podcast. I'll hit you after it hits me after. Yeah, she just handles her business, bro.

[Jelly Roll]

She's all business, man.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer, and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters podcast. Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Jelly Roll]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jelly Roll]

Football is back.

[Jake Hofer]

That's right, the new NFL season is here and you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 60. This is a show for sickos like me. NFL Daily is your kind of show. It's in the name NFL Daily. You'll have fresh content in your feed all season long. My myself, Greg Rosenthal and an all star cast of co hosts will preview and recap every game all season long.

[Jelly Roll]

Josh Allen coming off an MVP season.

[Taylor]

And now lateral to Allen and reaching for the pylon.

[Jelly Roll]

Are you kidding me? It's a touchdown.

[Taylor]

Have you ever seen that one before?

[Jake Hofer]

Rookies making a name for themselves.

[Jelly Roll]

Run again. Rejected. That's a bulldozer. He is bouncing off defenders and drag down.

[Jake Hofer]

And of course the Eagles trying to win another Lombardi.

[Jelly Roll]

What a game. What a season. What a team. Eagles fans savor it and rejoice.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to NFL daily on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Taylor]

Your entire identity has been fabricated.

[Jelly Roll]

Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace.

[Taylor]

You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy.

[Jelly Roll]

Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro and these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets.

[Taylor]

With over 37 million downloads, we continue.

[Jelly Roll]

To be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you. Stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my.

[Taylor]

Extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets.

[Jelly Roll]

Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on.

[Taylor]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jelly Roll]

So he did a New York Post order article and one of the headlines of it was, no, that's not the one. It's up. It'll be Bill Maher, New York Post. But there's a quote in there where he says, we're all jelly rolled now. We're all sloppy, complicated and contradictory. And I thought that Was awesome because he referenced into, like, 80%, 50% of Democrats, 60% of Democrats own a gun or live with a gun owner, and 2/3 of Republicans agree for legalization of marijuana. He's like, at least jelly rolls honest about his contradictions.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

He's like, so the world's kind of. I wish the world would be more like jelly. He was kind of saying it, but, like. But. But it was a real backhanded compliment, right?

[Taylor]

Yeah. He said it in a mean way. But if you pick it apart, he's.

[Jelly Roll]

Also a comedian, though.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

It's like me and Schultz laughed about it because Saltz, like, he said, you were like every man. I was like, exactly. I thought it was the coolest thing ever.

[Will]

You're the relatable guy in the middle.

[Jelly Roll]

My wife immediately shot at him. She went straight online and lit Bill Maher up. She was. And I was. And I was. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna let you do you. But I think he was right.

[Will]

Go ahead and cook. I'm not gonna get in your way. But to be honest, I think it's all good.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Did he had a good. He's got a show, too. He did one with Bill Burr.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

And Bill Burr. Blender.

[Jelly Roll]

Yep. It's the next one down. You'll see it. Or did you say my name in that one?

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Yeah, it's right. It says, we're all Jelly roll.

[Jelly Roll]

Starting here. We're all Jelly Roll now. We're sloppy, complicated, and contradictory. Two thirds of Republican voters support weed legalization of 41% of Democrats own or live with someone who owns a gun. Ms. Marvel is Pakistani. The winner of the last two NBA dunk contest is white. The new Captain America is black. And Spider man is black. Black, and Puerto Rican. So anyways, he said white guys have.

[Will]

Won the dunk contest.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

We gotta put that up.

[Jelly Roll]

We gotta take that anyways, dude, keep.

[Will]

Up with that dunk. The dunk contest. Yeah. That is sick. That is.

[Taylor]

We just saw two white guys win a dunk contest. His brain went towards that.

[Jelly Roll]

Cooper Dean. Yeah. I got to go.

[Taylor]

This year, white guys are making a comeback in sports.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

And that's not any type of way other than hell, yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Making a comeback in sports. He said. He said, that's not any other kind of way.

[Taylor]

I'm not trying to be that guy. But that's kind of dope, sitting here as a white guy. All right, cool. We are athletic. I like that.

[Will]

We're not dying.

[Taylor]

I know. We had a corner get drafted in the first round of the draft. You see that?

[Will]

No. Second.

[Taylor]

Oh, you're right. Because I forgot.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

We got Duke.

[Taylor]

We got Duke bad.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

I thought he was so close.

[Taylor]

Cooper Dean, man, Iowa. I mean, that is crazy that a corner is a white corner in the NFL right now. That's the craziest ever.

[Jelly Roll]

Hope he kills.

[Taylor]

I knew the new world you're living in. We can't talk about it. I get it. We'll go. Get out of here. I'm gonna put this thing in reverse. We're gonna get the out of this.

[Jelly Roll]

I would appreciate it if we got away from this one.

[Taylor]

Shout out Max.

[Jelly Roll]

Shout out Max Crosby. That's what I know for. That's what I got for this segment. Shout out to my homie Max. You know what I'm saying?

[Taylor]

No doubt, no doubt. So Pittsburgh's good. Cleveland's good. You hate Detroit. Let's get into that.

[Jelly Roll]

That he defended more than Wallen. What else can I say on here? My publicist told me not to say.

[Taylor]

Guys can't say words now.

[Will]

I've done stuff off of the roofs before.

[Jelly Roll]

You.

[Will]

Plastic cups.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

It's like, I don't know if Will and Taylor saw this, but I guess Bunny caught Bailey sneaking out on Yalls cameras. And they're just like, crawling through the grass.

[Jelly Roll]

It's got like 8 million views. Goose. Yeah, yeah, she. She did a barrel roll like snow in the army. Yeah, dude. Yeah. This. This. My house is funny, man. Watch this.

[Taylor]

Poof.

[Jelly Roll]

Little crouch. Tiger crawl.

[Taylor]

Oh, they think they're getting out of there now.

[Jelly Roll]

Watch the disappointment. Damn. Nope. Security.

[Will]

Sending them right back home. That is awesome.

[Jelly Roll]

We got security outside.

[Taylor]

Yeah, security.

[Jelly Roll]

I don't know what she was thinking. So she gets down the driveway and he's like, yo, the. Are y' all going? You know what I'm saying?

[Will]

I've seen you on every camera.

[Jelly Roll]

And he's so gangster that he goes, I won't tell him till tomorrow. Get your ass back up. That.

[Taylor]

That is hilarious.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, man.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Dude, this formula.

[Jelly Roll]

It's a 16 year old.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

The farm?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

What you got cooking here?

[Jelly Roll]

500 acres. Me and Bunny just went to look at it. I actually was. I just. The call I was having while I was 10 minutes late. I was here on time, but I was talking about this farm.

[Will]

500 acres.

[Jelly Roll]

500.

[Taylor]

We're gonna snipe it up.

[Jelly Roll]

It's pretty much done.

[Taylor]

What are we gonna do with it?

[Jelly Roll]

I'm torn, man. How do we put the bus? Yeah, Wherever y' all want. The way it's divided Is there's three ridges divided by two creeks like this. An upper and a lower door. And there's three entrances to the property. I think the side with two entrances, I'm going to build a family compound. And on the other 100 acres, I'm going to subdivide and make a, you know, make a play.

[Taylor]

No, you better go off that property, huh?

[Jelly Roll]

I think so.

[Taylor]

Hey, that is nice.

[Jelly Roll]

I think so.

[Will]

Got some hunting.

[Jelly Roll]

Look at. It's beautiful, man.

[Will]

Some hunting land out there, man.

[Jelly Roll]

500 acres. Comp. Dude, I crashed. It's unreal. It's like.

[Will]

I mean that is.

[Jelly Roll]

It's a dream.

[Will]

That is unreal, man. That is awesome.

[Jelly Roll]

I had. I have a rich uncle. His name is Uncle Buford, man. He's been really good to me my whole life. He just made really good decisions. Owned a dry cleaning company, saved his money, right. He bought like 4 or 500 acres in Williamson County 30 years ago. So you know what that's worth now?

[Taylor]

Crazy.

[Jelly Roll]

And when I was a kid, the first time I ever shot a gun, I went and shot it there. And I remember leaving and leaving. I asked my father, I go, man, how come we don't have one of those? He was like, well, just, just wasn't in our cards. But if you ever want one, you just gotta, you gotta plan for it, make the right financial decision to get it. Then ever since then, I wanted one. I was like, I want a farm. I've killed my first quail out there. Learn how to ride a four wheeler out of that farm. You know, my dad, me and my dad go out there all the time. And Buford didn't even live out there back then. It was something else he believed in, was like, he bought the farmers the dream. He just let it, you know, had like a little farmhouse on. He was just like one day.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know, now him and his wife live out there. And that's where, you know, the end of their life. They're in their late 70s, but it's really cool. So, yeah, just getting to do it was like, yeah, this is it. But if I keep being successful, I'm build three or four houses and a studio and move my whole family and have a little jelly roll neighborhood. And then I'm gonna subscribe the other side, make a little play.

[Taylor]

That's awesome, man.

[Jelly Roll]

It's a. It's cool. It's cool to see Bunny get excited because when we pulled in she was like kind of lackluster. She's also from the desert.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Like, I want like you gotta remember that you're from Texas, but went to school in Michigan.

[Taylor]

Arizona, but with school in Michigan.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, Arizona. Went to school in Michigan. You know a little bit about the desert, so you get this too. Like, but you got to see more of the green side of America.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

She grew up in a desert. You know what I mean? So like her still. The first time we did a show in Indiana, I remember her filming the trees because he was like, yo, somebody's first time.

[Will]

Y' all gotta come see this snow. And just having all those pictures in your phone.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, yeah.

[Taylor]

Her palm with like a little bit.

[Will]

Of snow in it.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

That's funny. So she kind of get in, but when we got up on that first ridge and it just opened up, it was like the light of God. Oh. And she. I just watched her. She said, oh, we gotta do this. And I was like, I told you, man. We turned the. The gator off. No noise but pollution. You couldn't hear a highway. You know, you don't hear nothing but just nature. Genuine nature. I was like, this is what we need.

[Taylor]

Hell yeah.

[Will]

That's awesome, man.

[Jelly Roll]

It's the dream, baby.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Will]

Before we get off here, anything for us to look forward to. Seeing May Fest. You're going to make another speech?

[Jelly Roll]

Well, I can tell you this. At CMA Fest, I'm going to bring out a guest. I'm going to have a real special set. It's going to be my first time playing the big stage at the stadium. Last year, I got to play the satellites stage. So it's going to be a really, really, really big thing. And we're playing Saturday. We got the best night. I'm hosting the whole thing for TV.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Ashley McBride are. We're hosting the. Because they do. CMA Fest becomes a TV show and we're hosting it.

[Taylor]

No shit.

[Jelly Roll]

I call the other day, our script writing call. It was fun. It's cool.

[Taylor]

That's awesome.

[Jelly Roll]

She's fun too. I don't know if y' all ever met Ashley McBride, but she's a real badass.

[Will]

I don't think so.

[Taylor]

I have not met her.

[Will]

Unless that maybe as you've been in one of the softball games. Because we'll be doing that actually by the time that this comes out. The day after.

[Jelly Roll]

We had a great time at the softball game.

[Will]

Yeah, we had a great time. Softball game.

[Jelly Roll]

This is a great week. So this is CMA Fest week. My. I don't think they're live stream my set, but it will be on the show portion. That'll come out in a couple of months and if you're in Nashville, come see us. They were at the stadium all weekend, so. Really, really, come see us. Nissan Stadium. Jelly Roll Hardy. I mean, dude, I can't remember. The lineup's insane. It's CMA Fest. The biggest lineup on our.

[Taylor]

Hardy just had a banger come out too.

[Jelly Roll]

Keith Urban's on my.

[Will]

Yeah, those nuts.

[Jelly Roll]

Psycho. His whole new. His whole new project is awesome. He literally does it the way he wants to do it. It's so cool to watch. Yeah. Kelsey Brothers Osborne. Cody Johnson. My boy Cody Johnson. He fucking one of the greatest dudes ever. Ash McBride, Parker. Megan Maroney. John Party. Carly Thomas, Rick. Keith Urban. Warren Treaty, Laney Bailey Zimmerman. It's a big weekend.

[Taylor]

That is nuts. That is.

[Jelly Roll]

It is a big. And there's a bunch of special guests you won't see that are all throughout there, man.

[Taylor]

What's out of Tennessee?

[Jelly Roll]

I don't know if there are any of them are from Tennessee. I think these are all some Georgia dudes trying to figure out.

[Will]

Trying to figure out who could be that lineup.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. Yeah, but this ain't even me. This is like, my guest is different. I got a different thing thing going on. But what the. The festival itself does guests like. There's people that are going to come out that you're going to be like, no way. I thought this dude was going to be here.

[Taylor]

No.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, man. They do it, right, Dude. When I've been going to this since I was a kid, by the way.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

They used to call it fanfare and did it at the fairgrounds. You just stood in line and waited for autographs, you know?

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

No pictures or nothing. You didn't have a camera. You just went up, they had the dude looked at you, signed his name and handed it to you.

[Taylor]

Now you're doing the best night in the stadium. That's all time.

[Will]

That is so cool, man.

[Taylor]

What? Talk to me about Ernest, dude. We know Ernest has the most talent in the world.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

When is my man gonna get his shot and be like, triple platinum, no number one song? When's that coming for him?

[Jelly Roll]

It's on the way.

[Taylor]

I love it.

[Jelly Roll]

It's so close. Ernest is so close to it as an artist. The thing about Ernest is he serves two masters. Ernest is still writing the biggest hits we're hearing. You know what I mean? Yeah, but the thing about Ernest is he's still servicing hits to everybody else, you know what I mean? So he's serving two masters. He's still the go to guy in town to bring into a room if you need to get one. Across the line.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean? So. And that's paying a lot of the bills, too. So he's kind of struggling. I tell you what I am trying to do, and you should harass him about this. We should corner him. I'm trying to bring him on. Fuck it. I'll say it. Here we are adding 15, 17 shows to my tour. My. My first arena tour was scheduled to be 42 cities, and they're already almost completely sold out. So we're adding, like, another 15. But this won't come out for another few weeks, which now y' all know, though, it's coming. But for those 15 dates, I couldn't keep Warren and Alexander because they had already had previous commitments. For the extra 17, it might be 20 dates between us.

[Taylor]

No shit.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. And so I'm calling Ernest, like, come. He's like, I don't. I can't tour the way you tour. He really anchors himself down into a normal life. Monday through Wednesday, like, he'll go write songs, but he's there with Delaney. They're gardening. He's with rhyming. He's like, super dad, super husband. He lives like. He's like, you know Batman, right? You know what I'm saying? It's like. And then he puts on the Batman outfit on Thursdays and goes. And he's earnest. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, where when Jelly Roll leaves for a tour, kiss Delaney and Ryman or put them on the bus. But you're not coming home for 45 days. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I just do it right? You know what I'm saying? Ernest is like, I can't do that. I was like, quit being a of part. I'll have a nurse. We'll get IVs. You know what I'm saying? We'll be okay.

[Taylor]

We'll be all right.

[Jelly Roll]

If I can do it, you can do it.

[Will]

So we need to corn him and get him on this.

[Taylor]

Get him on.

[Jelly Roll]

It'd be huge, dude. And I'm like, do it with your friend, man. Why not you, dude? It's the reason he tours with Morgan. It's the reason I'm going out and doing five shows with Morgan this summer tour. With your friends, man. That's the reason I open up for Eric Church all the time. It don't matter how big I am. I want to go be with my friends.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

Why in the. From a game standpoint, of music. Why wouldn't Ernest start keeping those hits for himself?

[Jelly Roll]

I think he's just got such a good flow over there. And I think Ernest ain't in a rush to be a celebrity, to be honest. I think Ernest is just like, man, I'm just. He's going to do it his way.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

He's not going to do any of the. Another part of it too, if we're going to be frank with each other, is the traveling, you know what I mean? Like, he's really. He really is honest with me when he's like, yo, man, like, I like being just a normal dude. Three days a week. I go right from nine in the morning to three in the afternoon. I stopped by losers and have lunch, drink a couple beers, go home to my wife. He's got a really cool thing. Then I can go be a rock star with my best friends on the weekends, you know what I mean? Where it's like, I'm like. I'm like, oh, we're doing busting with the boys this day. Cool. Well, let's squeeze in Kimmel while we're on that side of the coast and let's do this while we're out there, you know what I mean? Like, I'm just in constant, like, you know, I'm more like Bert Kreischer, you know what I'm saying? In constant go mode.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

So I think Ernest is really cool just writing songs and. And he. I love that Ernest is willing to die on the hill of his own artistic sound. He doesn't want to make commercial records. He loves making old country, Roberts, Western world kind of records.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

He's not looking for something to get played at Dirk's, Bentley's. He's looking for something to get played at Roberts, you know what I mean? He's got it. He just loves the old feeling of this old sad. I was listening to it last night. That record with him and Laney is just so old school country. I could if I would, but I can't. So I won't. But I won't.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Like, just fucking. What a fucking genius, you know, he really is, so.

[Taylor]

He's so talented.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. And that's real Taylor. They don't joke when Garth Brooks said he started that radio station so people could hear country the way it's intended to hear. I'm dealing with this now that I've become an international artist. You get outside of America, they immediately won't play anything on any radio station or playlisting in other countries that has a Pedal steel on it was that you got a fiddle or a steel guitar. It's just too country.

[Taylor]

Really.

[Jelly Roll]

Yep. That's a true story. And Ernest, his whole album is fiddles and steel guitars. You know what I mean? For me it was like I took the fiddle off of Need a favor and just sent it. I was like okay, cool, we'll just send it without the. Which is actually a fiddle with voices over it. But there was a fiddle behind it doing it. And we from Need a favor. So we had to take it off. Off. Or international radio was like we won't play it. Yeah.

[Will]

That is wild. Although all the nuances of. Of music and the business side.

[Taylor]

Jack, you got a tear talk.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Yeah, the tear talk. There's a couple options. One was thrown around which I feel like is just kind of a low hanging fruit. Like top three artists. Which I think we're better than that. Another one that we would have to take some time and think about. But you could create three fictional band names and then you give like an idea of what the band is and then you rank them. Like hypothetically. Like you're like your favorite.

[Jelly Roll]

Our own made up bands.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

That's interesting.

[Will]

That would be a hard tier talk.

[Taylor]

That'd be a hard tier talk.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

I know. That's something I feel like we need. You might need a little more preparation for. Or we could go best condiments.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm. I. Believe it or not, I'm cool. Any one of those three can work for me.

[Will]

Let's do. Let's do My Simple Brain.

[Jelly Roll]

I've got three. I got three artists of all time. E. That's all.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Here's a question.

[Jelly Roll]

While James, Jim and Bob, baby. It's that easy.

[Taylor]

James, Jim and Bob.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

You can write a song with anybody. Dead or alive. Hit hit record number one.

[Taylor]

Who are you taking? Dead or alive.

[Jelly Roll]

Dead or alive there. He's still living. I would love to. To sit down and watch the way James Taylor writes songs.

[Taylor]

Why is that?

[Jelly Roll]

It's just different, man. You know, he taught himself the guitar. So he plays like weird shapes. Like different shapes than most people play. And his. His songwriting just style has always been so abstract. He's just. He's my favorite songwriter. Him, Jim Croce, Bob Dylan. Those are my favorite songwriters of all time. So I'd love to sit down and. And I think he would give me more. I'd love to see how Bob writes a song. But I could imagine Bob kind of being, you know, just kind of. He's so elusive and doesn't talk I couldn't see him being real engaging.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Where I could imagine Jim looking at me like, what do you think if we turn it around like this? And we went. You know, I'd love to hear how he structures out his song.

[Taylor]

You want to your condiments, Will?

[Will]

We can do condiments. I don't know if I'm ready yet, but I can be ready. Do you have yours? Do you know yours?

[Taylor]

I can probably do my condom condiments. Condiments is like mustard, mayo.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Yeah. We're not doing like chick fil a sauce or like any like, commercial kind of sauce. It's your strict condiments you find in the side of your fridge.

[Taylor]

Where do we stand on dressing? Is that a condiment?

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

I would say that if you're trying to put ranch in there, I would. I'd let that.

[Taylor]

All right, I'm ready.

[Jelly Roll]

You just needed the ranch.

[Taylor]

That's all I need to hear. Yes, absolutely. I'll go first since Willie's still working on it. My tier.

[Jelly Roll]

Are you googling condiments right now?

[Will]

Will, please don't. Please don't interrupt my process.

[Taylor]

But yes, Sometimes you gotta shoot from the hip.

[Jelly Roll]

Okay.

[Taylor]

My tier three is gonna go to the honey mustard. I think a lot of times you. It's a great dipping sauce. You can put it on a sandwich. It's got a lot of different lanes it can live in. Honey mustard to me, is fantastic. My tier 2 do is going to go to barbecue sauce. Just as long as we've all been alive, you get a chicken sandwich and you throw a little bit of barbecue sauce on it. You're just not. There's no way to get better, you know, it's just a nice barbecue chicken sandwich. Boom.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

In and out Southwest chicken sandwich. There's going to be a spicy barbecue on there. So many different varieties and taste and ingredients. Whether it's vinegar or mustard or tomato, you have your bases. But barbecue sauce goes hard. So much so that there's colts. Like there's Kansas City barbecue. There's Texas barbecue, There's Memphis barbecue, North Carolina barbecue. Where everybody stands. What's up? Nashville, Nashville barbecue. Everyone plants their flag on the ground. They say ours is the best.

[Jelly Roll]

What's your favorite barbecue?

[Taylor]

I was hoping you wouldn't ask me that.

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Jelly Roll]

Josh Allen coming off an MVP season.

[Taylor]

And now lateral to Allen and reaching for the pylon.

[Jelly Roll]

I think. You kidding me? It's a touchdown.

[Taylor]

Have you ever seen that one before?

[Jake Hofer]

Rookies making a name for themselves.

[Jelly Roll]

Run again. That's a bulldozer. He is bouncing off defenders and dragged down.

[Jake Hofer]

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Jelly Roll]

Hola, it's honey German and my podcast, Gracias Come Again is back. This season we're going even deeper into.

[Taylor]

The world of music and entertainment with.

[Jelly Roll]

Raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities.

[Taylor]

You didn't have to audition?

[Will]

No, I didn't audition. I haven't auditioned like over 25 years.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, wow. That's a real G talk right there. Oh, yeah.

[Taylor]

We've got some of the biggest actors.

[Jelly Roll]

Musicians, content creators and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success.

[Taylor]

You were destined to be a star.

[Jelly Roll]

We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of cheeseme, a lot of laughs and those amazing vivas you've come to expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity struggles and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewashed because you have to do the code switching. I won't say whitewashed because at the.

[Will]

End of the day, you know, I'm me.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

But the whole pretending and coat, you know, it takes a toll on you.

[Jelly Roll]

Listen to the new season of Grass.

[Taylor]

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[Jelly Roll]

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[Taylor]

Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. My favorite barbecue is gonna be a a honey Barbecue. I like. I lean towards a sweet more than anything else. I also am a big fan of the Alabama white. Alabama white is the slab. It is this.

[Jelly Roll]

I think it keeps Jim and Nixon business alone.

[Taylor]

Yeah. And my tier one is going to go to my God tier, which is ranch. I think there's two kinds of people. There's people that enjoy ranch, and there's people that are dead to me that enjoy blue cheese. And those people can go themselves. Themselves. Disrespect. But disrespect. Ranch is, to me, the best condiment you can have. Dipping.

[Will]

I love that list.

[Taylor]

Thank you.

[Will]

Love that list.

[Taylor]

Oh, yeah. You got to write. You got to write my list.

[Will]

You're right, you're right, you're right.

[Jelly Roll]

With a word.

[Will]

Electric.

[Jelly Roll]

I gotta say, incredible.

[Will]

It's a good list. That's a strong list.

[Taylor]

Thanks, voice.

[Jelly Roll]

It made me rethink my list. I'm glad you went first.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. That was my heart. That was purely me.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

Because I was gonna go ketchup. Mustard man eyes.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

You know what I mean?

[Taylor]

But we would have said 12.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, yeah.

[Will]

I will say that. Oh, yeah. Sorry, guys. One word opinion in the back.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Hyphenated. Mouth watering.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, solid.

[Taylor]

Got.

[Will]

Okay, okay.

[Taylor]

Bring it back. Solid, huh?

[Will]

Mine. Dude, this. This is so hard. But you kind of sold me on. On barbecue sauce. Barbecue sauce was in my list, but it moved up one. Because of the range and variety that you have in barbecue sauce, you can do so many different things with it. So my tier 3 is now going to be honorable mention. Ranch. Ranch didn't make it.

[Taylor]

Blue cheese is on his tear talk. That's the end of blue cheese.

[Will]

No blue cheese. Hey, listen, listen. I. I fit with your mold. Blue cheese is dead to me. I hate blue cheese. But I do. Everybody talks about you get a mature taste. Like, as you get older, you'll start enjoying it.

[Taylor]

Yeah. That's the most disrespectful thing you can say.

[Will]

But my tier three, based on how often I use it, is hot sauce. My tier three is hot sauce. I feel like there are. There's a variety of hot sauces just like there is barbecue. But the fact of, like, you know, using barbecue sauce with marinade and just slathering ribs on it, all the different styles where you hit the different parts of the country, that is what put barbecue sauce now at 2 instead of hot sauce. Because hot sauce, I like to put it on stuff. But barbecue sauce, you can. You can kind of overdo it. So tier three, hot sauce. Tier two, barbecue sauce.

[Jelly Roll]

House.

[Will]

My tier one condiment. My mouth's watering just thinking about it. Mayonnaise. I love mayonnaise, bro. I love it damn near on everything. And I feel like it's a good foundational condiment that you can even create with other condiments. Like if you want an aioli, you're using mayo to mix it in there with sriracha hot sauce. You can mix it with ketchup. Love mixing mayonnaise with ketchup. But my number one condiment is mayonnaise. Mayonnaise, Barbecue sauce. Hot sauce. Shout out to Ranch.

[Taylor]

Hyphenated plot twist.

[Will]

Mitch. Jack.

[Jelly Roll]

Almost.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

Gritty.

[Will]

Joe. You got a word to rate my list?

[Jelly Roll]

Break your. I'm having to look up condiments now I see why you do it. It's actually plot twistings here. Yeah.

[Will]

Kind of jogs your memory a little.

[Jelly Roll]

Bit because there's stuff you're like, I didn't think of that as a condiment. That's actually really fire.

[Taylor]

That's what happened to me with the hot sauce, because that was my cuz.

[Will]

You're a hot sauce lover.

[Taylor]

I know. I have.

[Jelly Roll]

And it's got the same argument of. Read your three to me again for I give you a one word.

[Will]

My honorable mention was ranch. My tier three is hot sauce. Tier two is barbecue sauce. My tier one is mayonnaise.

[Jelly Roll]

Okay. I'm gonna ride salt. Solid. We're at solid. Okay, Brad. Solid with the homie. That's a solid list.

[Will]

Pressure.

[Jelly Roll]

Before I start this.

[Will]

Jelly rolls, favorite condiments.

[Jelly Roll]

I've got to ask this question first because I just read a couple articles, and this is a big point of contingency that could change everything.

[Taylor]

Okay, go ahead.

[Jelly Roll]

There are people that qualify peanut butter as a condiment that I almost can't allow that because that would be my list.

[Taylor]

Will it? I will lean on Will because he is a peanut butter guy.

[Jelly Roll]

Okay.

[Will]

That's his peanut butter.

[Taylor]

Okay.

[Will]

Have you ever had a peanut butter sandwich with chili dipped in chili?

[Jelly Roll]

Peanut butter is considered a condiment.

[Taylor]

Oh, the Internet. Will.

[Jelly Roll]

With that being said, I gotta stand by my lips.

[Taylor]

With that being said, boys.

[Jelly Roll]

With that being said, boys, I'm gonna go in with ranch number three because I think we can all agree ranch is ranch. Yeah. I'm going to pick hot sauce over barbecue today just because I love a good hot sauce. But if peanut butter is for sure a condiment, it's by number one, by country mouths, the greatest condiment that was ever invented ever. And this is a little deeper because if that's considered a condiment because it's spreadable. That also means Nutella and everything in that family all kind of nut butters, you know what I'm saying?

[Will]

Oh, you're trying to claim all the nut butters right now.

[Jelly Roll]

All I'm saying, listen, if we could claim the 30 different kind of barbecues, no question.

[Taylor]

Question. My head went through.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. It's like there is, you know, there's maple syrup, almond butter, there's cinnamon. Like, you know what I mean?

[Will]

Have you ever had a peanut butter.

[Jelly Roll]

Sandwich dipped in the honorable mention? Here's a hot one, too. You ready for this salsa?

[Will]

I want that question out there so bad. Salsa was on a couple lists, and I was thinking about even guacamole, but I thought guacamole is a little bit of a stretch.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Yeah. That's like a side.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Will]

Have you ever had a peanut butter sandwich dipped in chili?

[Jelly Roll]

Really? No.

[Will]

Are they five insane, bro. You love peanut butter like I think you do.

[Jelly Roll]

Oh, God.

[Taylor]

You're going to love this.

[Jelly Roll]

Dude.

[Will]

Oh, you're gonna love that combination.

[Jelly Roll]

Golly. The greatest sandwich ever, dude.

[Will]

I would rate that in two words. Almost perfect. You didn't have mayo, so that's why I had to kind of. But that peanut butter at the top. Great pool.

[Jelly Roll]

Thank you.

[Will]

I'm sick about mine, but I was proud of myself.

[Taylor]

I'm gonna take yours right there. That bread looks.

[Jelly Roll]

I love that. This was a post of yours.

[Will]

It's so big.

[Jelly Roll]

It looks like it's missing a little peanut butter, though.

[Taylor]

Peanut butter's in the sandwich.

[Jelly Roll]

Ish.

[Will]

I put it on both sides. I put it on both sides.

[Taylor]

In the ass. In the middle, Isn't it?

[Jelly Roll]

I'm just saying, man.

[Will]

I will say I had a meal an hour before that, so a part of me was a little already full, so.

[Jelly Roll]

But you probably. You probably just ate that for the pitcher then.

[Will]

I couldn't wait.

[Jelly Roll]

There's some chili cooking.

[Will]

When I got home yesterday, it wasn't ready for two more.

[Jelly Roll]

This was yesterday? Yeah.

[Taylor]

You said that photo yesterday.

[Will]

Yeah, that was yesterday, bro.

[Taylor]

That's funny, man.

[Will]

I love it, man. One year I had Charles. She's like. She wanted to cook for me, and she's like, what? I want to make you whatever you want to have for your meal on your birthday. And I said chili and peanut butter sandwiches. Simple, man.

[Jelly Roll]

Baby, is that Charles chili?

[Will]

That one? Yeah, that one is Audrey's.

[Will (Peanut Butter Guy)]

It looks gas, dude.

[Will]

It is. She dumped some cream cheese in it.

[Taylor]

I was going to say. Got that color to it by the way cream cheese. Sour cream.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Could have. Could have easily been honorable mentions. I'll take yours. Incredible.

[Jelly Roll]

Wow. Cream cheese.

[Taylor]

Cream cheese, bro.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. When you bring spread into the mix. Whoa. That changes all the condiments.

[Taylor]

This is.

[Will]

This is. Hit that pipe again.

[Taylor]

Go to town on something crazy.

[Jelly Roll]

I got some out there fired in.

[Taylor]

Yeah, we'll hit one more before you go.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah, I got you always.

[Taylor]

Because that was that first 30 minutes. I was on the moon for a little bit.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

I kind of came to in my piss. I was like, where have I been for the last hour?

[Will]

I literally said like, what have you done this past year?

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. For what it's worth, when we started.

[Taylor]

It, I was thinking, this might be the shortest podcast ever. We might just chill.

[Jelly Roll]

You were like, so, what do you want to talk about? And I still.

[Will]

So you know, you're like. You know how you have boys. You're like, so what have you even done recently? I've seen you everywhere.

[Jelly Roll]

I'm sure you want to promote something. I do love y', all, man. And I loved when I get to come on here and hang out with y', all, man. I'm truly, truly. This is why this is always a no brainer.

[Taylor]

And, bro, I'm sure I speak for all of us. I said, seeing your ascension has been. We've been so proud about everything. Even when your documentary and Hulu came out and that was like the beginning of everything.

[Jelly Roll]

Yes.

[Taylor]

Yes, it was. It's been so cool to watch you and just see the dude. Dude staying the exact same all the way through and people seeing your personality and be able to appreciate who you are and knowing that person before all this. We're all proud of you, man.

[Jelly Roll]

This is unbelievable. Thank you, man. I love you.

[Will]

Nobody hesitates to drop a link whether Jack finds a tweet, something where Jelly is popping off on the Internet.

[Jelly Roll]

Yo, dude. Jack has single handedly kept me relevant on Twitter the last two years. Seriously, anytime I have a jelly roll moment go viral, I can always, you know, you see where it goes back to. And it's always him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Will]

The very origin is Jack McFerson.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. The very origin is always Jack.

[Taylor]

I love it, man. We appreciate you coming on.

[Jelly Roll]

Love y', all, brother.

[Will]

Yeah. Love you too, man. Thank you for this.

[Taylor]

Big hugs, tiny kisses. Make sure you subscribe. Five stars.

[Jelly Roll]

Yep. Yep. Unsubscribe, Resubscribe like comment below with us. Love you. Peace. Bus with the boys. God, what a good one, boy. Solid man banger, son.

[Taylor]

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[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. So Bunny. But no, we'll just. You could put this. Y' all know how you. We'll just. I don't want to tell the story because you asked about my daughter. Sweet 16. It's how to start it. Taylor. When I was a kid, nobody came to anything I did. I was not a popular kid. I'll never forget. I mean, I passed out the RSVPs with the free candy in it to come to my birthday party. My mother would make a table for 30 kids, not a kid would show up.

[Taylor]

Damn.

[Jelly Roll]

I've carried that trauma with me my whole life, right? So, like, when I announce a tour, I'm Nervous, like, is this going to be the tour? People quit buying tickets to give a. That I'm doing. It's like, it really bums me out. Bailey comes to me and goes, I want to do a sweet 16 party. Comes to Bunny. And I'm like, no, absolutely not. Because Bailey's had a couple of parties that went similar to mine when I was young. And I was like, I'm telling you, man, we're still setting this kid up for failure. Like, we're gonna put all this money, you're gonna have this big party. And I was the negative voice, Taylor. And I'm. I want to share this story on this pod and with y', all, because y' all are fathers. I hope you learn from this. I was so against it and kicking and screaming. It was so hard to get put together. She put it together and then I was like, well, the good news is we have a big family, you know? But what I've learned is, and this is the hardest part of life, you can pay for the best party ever. You can plan the best party ever, and you can have 45 families members show up, but you can't. You can't plan on 15 or 16 year olds showing up. You just never know. You know what I mean? It's like, so I was just so nervous for Bailey. And to the point I. I mean, I hadn't been that nervous for something in a while. Like, stomach hurting the day of, dude, it was a blast. I was so wrong. I carried that fear for four weeks, that anxiety for four weeks about this party. I was so stressed. I cried about it a couple times. I mean, I was upset. I was worried for she wasn't getting no RSVPs. At first I was like, this is just not gonna go. And even then, it was like a typical high school party. We walked in with like 20 RSVPs. So I was like, you know what? That's good. You know what I mean? But I was like, we just need to make sure we got the family here to fill the room up.

[Taylor]

Yeah, dude.

[Jelly Roll]

By Till at 9 o' clock at night, you could tell the pin location was getting dropped. All you seen was car after car. It ended up with like hundreds kids from other schools. It turned to one of those parties.

[Taylor]

No.

[Jelly Roll]

Yeah. It turned into like one. Listen, I left.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jelly Roll]

How about that? I mean, I looked at my wife, my wife looked at me, and I looked at her and she was like, I don't think we got no business here. I was like, me neither. We had security there. I was like, we know they're not going to get too crazy. You know what I mean? Yeah. I was like, let that run its course, dude. And it was the. Thank you for even asking. I'm glad we got to bring it back on here. It was the coolest thing to see and experience. And what I realized early in the night was the real lesson for me was before one teenager showed up, we were. The whole family was there. And I was like, there's. If not a kid shows up, it's going to be a great night. You know what I mean? Like, it was just such a cool party, man. And it taught me a lot about not projecting. We accidentally project our on our children. Right, right. You know what I mean? And I never really wrapped that. Rue's still really young, you know what I mean? But think about this in the years to come, because at a place that I had fell short, I projected that on my own daughter. You know what I mean? And it was just really cool to see that turn around and actually be such a heartfelt moment. And as a shameless plug, you can see the whole party on Bunny's Patreon. That's awesome.

[Taylor]

That is an awesome story. All right, Bailey Standing.

[Jelly Roll]

Kisses.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eater's podcast network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Jelly Roll]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without. Good access is not a good stand it.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Jelly Roll]

I just normally do straight stand up, but this is a bit different.

[Taylor]

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[Jelly Roll]

Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life.

[Taylor]

This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jake Hofer]

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[Taylor]

Hello.

[Jake Hofer]

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