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Will Compton
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Greg Olson
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Will Compton
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Taylor Rooks
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Will Compton
Just head to FanDuel.com Bussin to download the app and get get started. This is a fun little episode. We have Greg Olson on once again we break down some of the divisions at large, the scope of the NFL playoffs. We dive into the game he called with the Bengals and Bills. We get into some old war stories about our injuries because our heart goes out to Daniel Jones. That sparked a conversation. Us talking old war stories that we either regret, we're happy to that we yada yada yada. But it is an unbelievable episode. We also touch on the Packers. We touch on everything. NFL a lot to look forward to. Sneaky Jacksonville Jaguars looking nice right now. Enjoy this episode. Make sure you're subscribed, tuned in on all audio following our channels and do not forget to leave comments throughout the episode. We love you. We appreciate you. Enjoy busting with the boys.
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Taylor Rooks
One last thing. Just one, one quick little thing. BWTB.com find all the merch you want. If you're a for the dad's guy, bust with the boys guy. A lot of stuff out there that you can put on. Feel real nice and feel real nice. Subscribe, please. For the love of God, subscribe. Ladies and gentlemen, let's give a round of applause for the one, the only, Greg Olson jumping on the bus yet again on a Monday morning. Do a little NFL recap. I know you had probably one of the spiciest games of the week. Do we want to start there?
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Will Compton
We can start there. I, I do know. I, I don't want it to go unnoticed that I, I messaged Greg over the weekend. Like I'm sitting there and as I'm watching games and trying to process analytical angles or, you know, situational football. I shot Greg a text during the Big Ten championship.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
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Will Compton
When it was Ohio State trying to kick a kick in the field goal. What was it? The 25 yarder, 28 yarder that they shanked to tie it. And it was like late in the fourth or later in the fourth and I just shot. Greg attacks like, hey, I'm just sitting here watching that field goal. I'm thinking in my head, yeah, you tie the game. But is this one of those situations where you don't tie the game? You try to go for it because again, all you're doing is giving them three points. They have X amount of time to work with and all they need is a field goal to win the game.
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Taylor Rooks
How much time was left on the clock?
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Will Compton
It was like two minutes. Yeah. Two minutes and change left. Two minutes and change left.
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Taylor Rooks
So plenty of time because, like, yeah.
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Will Compton
At the End of day, no matter what, Indiana is just going to need a field goal to win the game. So if you tie it, they need a field goal. But if you go and go for it on fourth down and eventually score, you're. You're challenging them, they're going to have to get seven on you. So I'm texting Greg. He's text back, yes, with exclamation points. I'm just letting them know, hey, I'm trying to learn now.
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Taylor Rooks
So. So your Greg, your answer to Will was yes, you take the three in that situation.
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Will Compton
No, you go for it.
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Josh Pate
No, no, I think they should have went for it. Now again, it's easy to have that perspective when he misses the kick.
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Taylor Rooks
No doubt, no doubt. Yeah. Monday's always tough to be like, you should have done this. But we're just so.
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Josh Pate
I always. Exactly. I always try to not be the hindsight guy. Right. And always. And make a decision. Well, it's. If Ryan Day knew the kid was going to shake it, of course he would have gone for it.
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Will Compton
Like, yeah, right.
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Josh Pate
But I thought beforehand you got to go for it. Right. On paper, you're probably the better team. You're paying bazillions of dollars to the kids. You're big and you're physical and you pride yourself on all that. Like you've got to be able to get short yard situations inside the 10 yard line. That's just. I don't remember exactly where the ball was, but it was inside the 10. It might have been the 8 or 9. I can't remember exactly where the ball was. Yeah, I walk it, watching it transpire. College kickers. I don't pretend to know the math of college numbers like I do in the NFL. I don't know what college field goal rates are. I know there's a wild spread between good kickers and bad kickers, much more so than the NFL where for the most part, everybody's kind of in the same bucket to a degree. So yeah, that was, that was brutal. And then remember in college, you, you miss a field goal right there and they put the ball in the 20. So not only did you miss it, but you didn't even have the luxury of Indiana having to snap the ball from inside their own 10 yard line because the ball got moved to the 20.
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Will Compton
Yeah. He says they missed the kick and lost 11 yards of field position. And then Greg, on the next drive, he hits me and Ohio State has to take a timeout after that long pass.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah, I've noticed a handful of people when there's when they have like a, a pass over 15 yards, let's say, and they're all rushing to the ball and there's a new set of downs. Everyone's trying to get hurry up on the ball and, you know, run another play. And in my mind it's like, dude, if you were in a gotta have situation, your first down essentially is the same as if you're running. It was a, it was a regular part of the game. Like you have first, second, third, and then you're usually going to punt or do whatever after that. If you're in a gotta have situation, why I would clock it. Like you get a, a massive pass down the field and you're under a minute 15 or even a minute, it's like, dude, go clock it so you can get everything kind of put together before stuff starts running away from you.
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Josh Pate
Yeah. So offensively, when to use timeouts is always a little bit tricky. Right. So college rules, again, being a little bit different because the clock will stop for. It feels like it stops at a very irregular time. Right. You get our first down with under two minutes and the clock will stop as they move the chains. I don't know if anybody knows. Does it stop for five seconds? I don't know exactly the time frame. Maybe a college guy could tell me if there's a strict, like how long they hold the clock before they reset it or is it dependent on how long the gain is and how long they have to move the ball in the chains? I don't, I don't know the answer to that. But typically the point Will's making that he. We texted about, I thought Ohio State needed to start using some of their timeouts on defense.
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Will Compton
Yeah. Cause Indiana popped them on third down.
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Taylor Rooks
That's what they threw.
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Will Compton
Yeah, that's the one they threw. And they didn't, they didn't take a timeout. They allowed Indiana to get, you know, move some time off.
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Josh Pate
You just don't ever want to go down. You always want to use your time. General rule of thumb is you want to use your timeouts on defense and you want to use all of your timeouts either on one side or the other side of the two minute warning. That's kind of like an NFL rule. Exactly how that applies in college. I don't know all the ins and outs because of the timing differences and whatnot. But that's like typically in an NFL game, that's the rule of thumb. So if you've already used the timeout with five minutes to go, say and you got two remaining, you typically want to use those remaining timeouts, if you can, on defense. And you want to use them also on the plus side of the two minute. What a lot of coaches like, and it goes back into the psychology of all this, is they want to keep those timeouts for under the two minute warning because it gives them this false security that even though we're underneath the two minute warning, I'm still as a defensive player, I'm no longer at the mercy. I can still stop the clock when in reality, if you would have stopped it on the plus side of the two minute, you actually would have more remaining time in the event you force a stop and turn over on downs or a punt or whatever. But it just feels helpless to not be able to stop the clock under the two minute warning, which is why a lot of coaches opt to use their timeouts on the bottom side. And that's where they get in trouble because they split their timeouts. But that's a whole different conversation in that game. Yes, they should have, I thought they should have went for it, try to take the lead. You're inside the 10, you're the better team. You're big and physical. You pride yourself on all these five stars, go win the game. And number two, using the timeouts on defense, I thought, but at the end of the day, didn't really have much of an effect. They didn't really have much of a chance there at the end.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah, yeah, I, I was watching the game last night, the Chiefs versus the Texans. And then the Chiefs get, they get punted to them. They're around like the 30, 35 yard line and there's like 10, 04 left and it's 4th and 1 and they decide to go for it. And that was a moment for me. I was like, I wonder what Greg thinks about the situation because they end up going for a fourth down because.
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Will Compton
They'Re on their own 35.
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Taylor Rooks
They're on their own 35. So it's fourth and one if you don't get it. The other teams, obviously, they're already in field goal range. Both defenses have been playing incredible. Like the Chiefs defense has really like in the second half has been like way better than they were in the first half. So they go for it on fourth to one. Rasheed Rice, I think they, you know, Mahome does a little bit of magic, throws it. Rashid's getting hit as he's. The ball is hitting his hands, ends up dropping the ball. It's Houston's ball and you're if you're the coach of the Chiefs and I know Andy Reid, he's an absolute stud. He's an offensive mindset. He's probably thinking to himself, I got away with my offense as opposed to a defensive mindset like Chris Collinsworth was talking about on the broadcast. What would you do in that situation? Are you punting and say, hey, we're incrementally. Like, this is the best move for us to play the field position game at this point.
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Josh Pate
Yeah. So I was watching it live and I'll tell you. I'll tell you what I would have said if I was on the broadcast. Is that fair?
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Will Compton
Yeah, Yeah.
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Josh Pate
I would have said the numbers, the analytics, the models, whatever you want to look at, that is a go situation. And it was a pretty significant go situation. I think the models, again, people value them differently between like 3 and 5%. So a significant win percentage share in a game where nobody could really get anything going offensively. I think if I'm calling that game, I'm saying, hey, the numbers tell you to go. And I am a traditionally, if it's close, I am, as individual, always going to err on the side of going. The better my defense plays, actually, the more willing I am for my offense to take some chances. We can talk about that at a later time, but in that moment, I think I punt.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
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Josh Pate
And that's me as like a guy who really is in on this. I see the value. I understand giving your offense and your team every opportunity to win the game in regulation, not force overtime, win the game in regulation. And that is one of the. That is one of the times where I do think the context of the game matters. And if they were 10 yards further, if that ball was at the 40 instead of the 30, I'm going for it. My general rule of thumb, especially in a game where the offenses are struggling, so Houston's offense hadn't done jack shit in the last four possessions. I think my general rule of thumb is if I give. If I fail here and I give you the ball back and you don't gain 1 yard, it is 4th and 10. Can you score on me? And if the answer is yes, I'm probably not going to go for it.
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Taylor Rooks
Right? Yeah. Because you're looking at how the game is going, you're looking at.
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Josh Pate
Because you're gonna kick. You gain zero yards, you kick a field goal and you did nothing to earn those three points.
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Taylor Rooks
We're essentially giving it to you. Yeah, sorry, go ahead.
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Josh Pate
Now, if it was my game and it Was the Bengals and the Bills where the final score was 30. I don't know what it was. 30.
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Mitch Sherman
38.
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Josh Pate
30. It was. Both teams were over 30 well into the 30s.
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Will Compton
Yeah.
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Josh Pate
If I'm calling my game in that situation, I'm going for that 100 of the time.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
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Josh Pate
You know why? Because whether I punt you the ball or I give you the ball, nobody has proven they can stop anybody. So you're going to score anyway. I might as well make it a faster score.
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Taylor Rooks
Hey, I, I'm 100 with you because you're also. But what you're talking about right now is momentum of the game, of what's kind of happening.
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Will Compton
Oh, yeah.
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Taylor Rooks
If you watched that game, they go for momentum. Hold on, hold on.
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Josh Pate
The best two aspects of the game were the defenses. That wasn't momentum. That's who those teams are. Listen, they are defensive teams.
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Taylor Rooks
I, I, first off, I have so much respect for you, so much so that when I'm watching the game, literally.
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Will Compton
His face, you know what that is?
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Taylor Rooks
Momentum. He's like, no, well, hey, but will, let me talk about. Did you watch, did you watch that full game last night?
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Will Compton
The witchful game? I watched the second half.
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Taylor Rooks
Okay, so the second half, so you saw that they, them go for that fourth and one.
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Will Compton
Yes.
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Taylor Rooks
Up until that point, the Houston Texans had negative 3 yards total in the second half. They were not, they could not move the ball at all. Balls were getting batted down, they were getting tackled in the backfield. Sack the whole thing. They were playing awful.
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Will Compton
Yeah.
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Taylor Rooks
The minute they don't get that fourth and one, they run the ball five times and score a touchdown. So that is what we talk about last week, where the defense, they converted.
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Will Compton
Third down, they, they, they stop fourth and one. And the juice that enters that football team, boom.
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Taylor Rooks
Momentum on Houston side. Reliable. They're walking in there going, hey, essentially, boys, hey, we're in a four minute type of situation. Stay and bounce. No holdings, no penalties, you know, stay in between the tackles, hold the ball with two hands. They convert the third down, they end up scoring a touchdown with a special teams running back. The game is over at that point.
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Josh Pate
Well, it wasn't over. Two more possessions and what did he do? Well, they dropped four balls, one for a pick.
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Taylor Rooks
I don't disagree like that to me was, and I thought the momentum took over. The momentum took over of the game.
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Josh Pate
It was all momentum.
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Taylor Rooks
Hey, during our SEC championship broadcast, you remember me talking about Greg. I'm like, Greg's gonna hate this right now. But the momentum is all on The Georgia side, we're talking. But dude, that is. I know you hate it, but that is truly when a defense is sitting there in the sideline. I swear to God, all of us have done this, whether you and me on offense or Will on defense, something happens on your, on the other side and you're like.
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Man, because you know, no matter what, they're getting points and you're. And that is a deflator. You're still going to play just as hard. But those incremental things that you try to grab, right, that you were talking about last week, small little wins that equal a victory. At the end of the day, momentum is a factor. And we saw that last night on Sunday Night Football.
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Will Compton
You.
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Josh Pate
I'm not debating that we all felt that way. I'm not debating that we've all walked onto the field feeling more confident or feeling better. I'm not saying any of that's not real. All I'm suggesting is it has no bearing on the outcomes of the plays. All right, so let's take Thursday night.
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Taylor Rooks
I love it. This is exactly the kind of. This is the Monday I wanted to.
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Josh Pate
Start with Dallas, Detroit.
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Will Compton
Yeah.
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Josh Pate
I'm in the Bahamas with my wife celebrating her 40th birthday party.
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Will Compton
Happy birthday. Happy birthday.
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Josh Pate
We had a great trip. We had a great trip. Having a couple cocktails, having a great time. So I'm like loosely following the game, but like we're at dinner and we're hanging out with friends, so I'm not like sitting there living and dying with it. And all of a sudden my phone starts, I'm getting texts, people, are you watching this game or think? And the situation was Dallas was down 10 on fourth down and they kicked a field goal to make it a. How many score game, guys?
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Taylor Rooks
One score game.
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Josh Pate
They made it a one score game. They were juiced. They had all the momentum. They had it. They had it. They took it from a two score game to a one score game. They didn't go for touchdown, they kicked on. Hey, man, extend the game. Give guys hope.
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Will Compton
Defense playing harder.
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Josh Pate
Defense is going to make a stop. Guess what Detroit did on the next drive?
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Will Compton
Took it down the field.
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Josh Pate
They went the entire field and scored a touchdown.
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Will Compton
I know, but they had all the momentum. I know.
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Josh Pate
By cutting it to one score. I was told by cutting it to one score, if you went for a fourth down and it stayed a two score game, everyone was going to be deflated. But by taking the points, by kicking a short field goal, you gave everyone on that sideline a boost of Energy to take the field. And I'm not saying they didn't take the field excited. I'm sure the sideline was thrilled that they were down 7 with a chance to get the ball back. With the way Dak was playing, I'm not suggesting any of that wasn't real. I'm just suggesting it didn't mean jack shit.
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Will Compton
And that's one too, where you go for it on fourth down if you're.
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Josh Pate
Dallas 1A, I think you go for it if you're Dallas, because the opportunity to cut that thing to three, knowing my defense is not playing very well all year, let alone that game, my best case is, all right, am I going to hold him to a three and out punt? Unlikely. Maybe. Maybe if I'm motivated enough. But if not, maybe I can hold him to a field goal. And remember, we've had this conversation before. You're up three on me and I'm on defense, you're on offense and you're up three at the end of the game, are you really excited to try to go up 6 or are you probably going to try to score a touchdown or. And go for it and remain up three?
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Mitch Sherman
You're.
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Josh Pate
You don't want to kick a field goal to go up six. That's a whole different conversation.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah. No, no, no, I agree.
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Will Compton
No matter what four downs they're going to use. You'd rather.
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Taylor Rooks
You'd rather be tied in that situation than even be up 6?
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Josh Pate
Correct.
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Taylor Rooks
Because then they're going to be like, we have four downs now. They're gaining themselves a different down. We've had that conversation.
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Josh Pate
But again, getting really into the weeds, that is. They took 10 to 7, which I was told is the key to all of this. Get it to one score. Everyone is so motivated and the momentum is so high in your favor. And Detroit went right down and scored a touchdown. You were back down 10 for what?
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Taylor Rooks
That. This is what. This is why 60 minutes is so not a full 60 minutes, but like whatever point you're in the game, if you're in the second half of the game, it's so important to know you. You now, as a coach, know how everything's going to. This week or last week, everybody was talking about Cowboys. Look at that. They get Kenny Clark, they got Quinn and Williams. Look how much better their defense is. Who's the linebacker? Logan Wilson. We're buying and we're buying in. And I said, listen, boys, I'll go with you in the Cowboys. I'm just letting you know I've done This before I know how this song and dance goes. So in this game and I. The only reason why I know this, because it's right here. The. The Lions win 44, 30. So at this point in the game, you know, your defense as great as they've on all of a sudden become or as at the. At the, you know, average as. Which is great for them. You need to go get the seven. You have to go get the seven in situation, because what is the strength of your team? The strength of your team is Dak Prescott and your wide receivers. CD Lamb at this time is out though, but it's. It's everything situational. That's what makes football incredible. Now, if we have the same situation and we are the Chiefs and the Texans, I might lean a little bit more on taking three now because it's like, hey, at the end of the day, like, I believe my defense can stop them and get that three and out. Go for a punt maybe with something crazy can happen. And then I have Patrick Mahomes. Does.
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Will Compton
Do you.
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Taylor Rooks
Are you. Are you buy. Are you buying that at all?
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Josh Pate
I'm trying to figure out what yard line they were on. Give me a second.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah, I don't know.
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Josh Pate
When they kicked the field goal, the Cowboys.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah, well, it wasn't short.
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Will Compton
We can dive in.
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Josh Pate
I want to say it was inside the five.
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Taylor Rooks
Hold on.
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Will Compton
Yeah, they were. They were fairly close. They were pretty close.
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Taylor Rooks
Oh, if you're inside the five, buddy, like this.
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Josh Pate
Kick the field goal. They kicked the field goal.
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From the 11 and what down it was?
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Will Compton
4Th and 3.
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Josh Pate
4Th and 3 at the 11th. All right, so let me ask. So let's stay with that train of thought about the good defenses. Right? So we'll take the. We'll take the Chiefs Houston game and put them in the exact same context.
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Will Compton
And let's say it's 17 to 7.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
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Josh Pate
It's a low scoring game. 10, 10, 17, 7. Whatever it is, it's. Yeah, 17. Well, we'll take the exact same situation, right? Let's say it's 17 7. Is that what you said? Yeah, yeah, 17 7. Yeah, I'm sorry. 17 7.
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And I'm. Whichever team. Let's say I'm Kansas City because they made the decision, you know, that everyone didn't like, and they're trailing 17, 7.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
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Josh Pate
And they have the ball 4th and 3 at the 11, kicking that field goal to go 14 10. I now kick the ball back off to CJ Stroud and I give them the ball at, let's say, the 35 yard line.
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Do you think C.J. stroud are. If my defense is dominating the game and my offense is struggling, don't you think I should give my offense the advantage? If I'm gonna tip the scales as a coach in and give the advantage. The advantage or the short straw? Do you think you should give the advantage to the team that's already really good in this case your defense and protect them and not. Or do you think you should give your offense the advantage because you're telling me how good your defense is?
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Taylor Rooks
No, I understand what you're saying. You want your defense to have the advantage. You want to give your offense as much help as possible.
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Josh Pate
Yeah. So if anybody's got to carry the short straw, make it your defense. Because I'm told how good they are and my offense is clearly struggling because we only have seven points in this scenario. Give them every chance because I might not get the ball down to the 11 ever again. My best point, my best chance of tying this game might be a 50 yard field goal down 3. There's no CH going down 7. Even if I get a stop, the way this game has gone, there's no guarantee I can even score a touchdown. I've only scored one up into this point. What tells you with the game on the line, you're all of a sudden going to figure out this Houston defense and with the game on the line, go the length of the field and score. So no matter how you look at it, whether it's a high scoring game, all right, you got to match points, keep your offense, keep them on the field, or it's a low scoring game. Hey, my defense is so much better than my offense. I need to get my offense all. That's what Andy Reid was thinking the other night. Andy Reid was thinking in a three down possession, I can't crack this Houston defense there. I just, I can't get a first down. Yeah, I'm going to have to use fourth down at some point. What better forget the yard, forget the yard line. In his brain he's saying, if I'm going to give my offense a chance to sustain a possession, to even kick a field goal, I need to use fourth down because three is clearly not getting it done. I got fourth and one. It's. No, it's never going to get any better than that. Fourth and one in the NFL is like 70% conversion rate.
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Will Compton
Yeah. And you're saying situation where it's 1710, you're still going to go for it because chances of you being down at the 11 again or getting a touchdown.
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Josh Pate
17 7. Exactly. So in the situation we're talking about low scoring defensive battle, I'm still going for a touchdown because 177 from the 11. 4th and 3 from the 11. If I kick a field goal there and I even and I get a stop, I get a three and out.
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Will Compton
Great.
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Josh Pate
That's best case scenario. Do you have a ton of confidence that you're going to be able to get the ball down there again and score when you haven't really been able to do it the entire game?
- [25:04]
Will Compton
No.
- [25:04]
Taylor Rooks
That's a good point. Yeah. You know what? I'm. I'm sitting over here and I know there's supposed to be this debate happening, but I'm kind of. I'm seeing where you're coming from.
- [25:13]
Will Compton
I generally watch all these situations. I'm like, trying to figure him out so much differently now. Just with Greg coming on each week.
- [25:20]
Taylor Rooks
It'S like, yeah, he's a person. He's a person in your life that makes you watch the world a little bit different.
- [25:24]
Will Compton
Yeah. And I've enjoyed it.
- [25:25]
Josh Pate
Well, I appreciate that, but it's not necessarily like me. I'm not trying to, like, champion this, like, crazy, radical new age of thinking, but this is the way the teams are thinking about the game. Andy Reid did not make that decision in a vacuum, in the moment, out of thin air.
- [25:45]
Taylor Rooks
Yes.
- [25:45]
Josh Pate
We're talking about a guy that's played in six Super Bowls, seven Super Bowls one, four are going to be a Hall of Fame first ballot. This guy's forgotten more about football than nice. Andy Reid's gonna. He's forgotten more football than pretty much the vast majority of people that are on earth. And people are just so excited to crush him this morning for that decision. Because we only. We only evaluate the outcome. If they got a yard and a half there and they went down and kicked the field goal and let's say they ended up winning the game. There was not going to be one article, one tweet, one radio host, not one personality maybe outside of this show who was gonna go. You know why they won? Because Andy Reid went for it on fourth down. And we need to give him a round of applause. No one was sick. No one applauds when it works. No one this morning woke up and said, Sean McDermott up by four end of the game, instead of kicking a field goal to go up seven and take the points and make it a touchdown game, he went for fourth down because he's got the best player in the world. And Josh Allen scores A touchdown to make it a true two score game and it was over. But no one had but if he failed. And Joe Burrow then went down by four, went the length of the field and had a walk off touchdown. Sean McDermott's he's the number one topic of every sports show this morning and he's getting crushed. But no one's giving him praise for making the right decision.
- [27:24]
We. And that's why coaches are so scared to do this because it's easier to stand at the podium and say kick the field goal, went up seven. Got to do a better job getting a stop in that moment. Well, you didn't get a stop the whole game. Joe Burrow was incredible outside of one pick six that he just threw into the like.
- [27:44]
We judge the outcome so evenly because people are so anti this analytics tag that they throw on everything and I don't even think people know what the hell they're talking about.
- [27:55]
Taylor Rooks
Right.
- [27:56]
Will Compton
Yeah.
- [27:56]
Taylor Rooks
No, yeah. The, the world of football as we know it is evolving in front of our eyes and it's taking a lot of time for people to catch up to the thought process of it's no longer about playing field position, being conservative. It's now about let's define the game right now when you, when the time to define the game happens, we're going to define it good or bad. We're going to know where we're at after this play.
- [28:16]
Will Compton
And I love, I love how you take it to the thought process of the head coach, like the absolute leader, the guy who has all the responsibility and accountability because you're right. It's like if you kick go up seven, Joe Burrow goes down, ties it or whatever it is. It's like, yeah, we need to do a better job of getting a stop. Like all everything will be essentially on the players. Not that they're blaming the players, but everything's so easy to kind of sit there and say we got to do a better job of getting the stop. And then all the, the reporters and writers of the world curated to essentially the players not getting a stop.
- [28:47]
Taylor Rooks
They've got to figure, yeah know it's also what Dan Quinn and Dan Campbell, these are the two that kind of started this whole thing of going for a fourth down and coaches are starting to realize or the ones that have some a sack are like, okay, if we're going to get something done, like it's going to be defined not when it hits zero, but when it's five minutes left in the game, we're going to know exactly how this outcome is going to happen.
- [29:08]
Will Compton
And if it doesn't work out, I'll be the one up there. I'll take every, take every bullet in.
- [29:12]
Taylor Rooks
The world, which is a ballsy ass thing to do.
- [29:14]
Will Compton
Yeah.
- [29:15]
Josh Pate
Do you guys remember two years ago in the playoffs when Dan Campbell, when the Lions lost?
- [29:19]
Will Compton
Yeah.
- [29:20]
Taylor Rooks
Was it to the Packers?
- [29:21]
Josh Pate
Was it the NFC champion?
- [29:24]
Will Compton
I believe NFC championship. Because I'm like screaming at the TV saying, I don't know why you're not kicking the field goal.
- [29:29]
Josh Pate
I should, I mean, I should know this.
- [29:30]
Taylor Rooks
Hey, that's big of you to sit there and be like, I know, I.
- [29:33]
Josh Pate
Was the 40, it was the 49ers in the NFC championship.
- [29:37]
Will Compton
Yes.
- [29:37]
Josh Pate
And they lost.
- [29:39]
Will Compton
There's a couple fourth downs where it's.
- [29:40]
Josh Pate
Like they're sort of. I think, I think they went over three. Yeah, they at least went over two. He might have went over three.
- [29:48]
You remember him after the game standing at the podium and he's an emotional, wears his emotions on his sleeve type of a guy. And he's answering and he's standing tall, but you could tell he's crushed. And he stood there and he just ate it and he just took it and he. And if he says, I'll do it again.
- [30:07]
Everybody wanted to kill him. Right. Everybody couldn't believe it. You cost yourself seat. But when you take a step back, Detroit's not in the NFC championship without that approach. Right. So we were fine with it when they were the greatest story in football, but now all of a sudden it didn't work out. Right. We want to judge the outcome, not the reason why they did it, just the outcome, which is so lazy and it's so easy to sit in hindsight and retrospect and go, man, that was a dumb decision. Well, yeah, you have the luxury of knowing the result. That's not decision making. That, that's not the world. And has Dan Campbell changed one ounce of his approach since then?
- [30:48]
Will Compton
No.
- [30:49]
Taylor Rooks
No.
- [30:50]
Josh Pate
Do you think he's scared to get up in front of the press conference and answer it again if it doesn't work?
- [30:54]
Will Compton
No.
- [30:58]
Taylor Rooks
I like it.
- [30:58]
Will Compton
Diving into, we were, you were touching on earlier, the Bengals Bills over there, like 20 something points scored in the last few minutes of the game.
- [31:06]
Josh Pate
It was unbelievable, bro.
- [31:07]
Will Compton
How nuts of a game was that? Man, we had the snow going out there, them trying to brush the, the, the yard lines off the numbers. Like that was when everybody watching at home, that's like, this is football right here.
- [31:21]
Taylor Rooks
You're starting to hear everybody go, we're in Playoff football.
- [31:23]
Will Compton
Yeah.
- [31:24]
Taylor Rooks
These are playoffs. This is it. And it's, it's awesome to see.
- [31:27]
Will Compton
Yeah, Bengals had a lead and then those last few minutes, man, just flipped.
- [31:33]
Taylor Rooks
Which is amaz. Which is great because, I mean, you said it earlier, like Josh Allen, he's the greatest football player in the world. The last four or five weeks, it's kind of been in question a little bit. Like he hasn't. His wide receiver group, they're not getting a whole lot of separation. He's holding the ball a lot more. He's not being as dynamic getting down, down the field as we saw him win the MVP last year. And then half the game he has in front of you while you're calling it. Like, I just, that fires me up for Buffalo to be like, oh, that's the same dude. Because they're starting to get chattered, whisper, hey, hey, Josh Allen, not saying he's not the guy, but is he having a down year? Is it his fault? Is he the reason? And so watching it all unfold, man, it was incredible. From your vantage point, did the Bengals fuck this game up or was it just so it was just like Josh Allen, the dominance, the Buffalo Bills that really brought it home.
- [32:21]
Josh Pate
Yeah, I think we saw two really high level quarterbacks just absolutely rip it for four quarters and there was one bad play made and Joe Burrow had Christian Benford come off the slot and it was a hand, it was a run play. So we had talked, we had talked at the beginning. Everything that Buffalo is trying to do in the run game is they're going to use some corner cats, they're going to use some perimeter pressure from safeties and corners and they're going to try to knife you and cause some negative runs.
- [32:48]
Will Compton
Right.
- [32:49]
Josh Pate
Everything's about trying to create negatives on those early downs. So Joe Burrow sees Christian Benford come off the slot and he's pulling the ball and, and you can see he's trying to get a handle on it to throw like a little inside, little looky, like a little looky dart into the, into the void of where the pressure came from off the, off the edge and he just doesn't get a great handle on it and he kind of pushes it and he doesn't get nearly enough height on it and he throws it right into the hands of Christian Bedford and he takes it back for a touchdown. Outside of that play, you can't play quarterback better than Joe Burrow and Josh Allen did collectively in a game. It was big time throws, it was in pressure, it was Escapability, it was in the snow. Accuracy. It was all of it encompassed into one game. And that was a unfortunate play by Burrow and shit happens, but it was remarkable. And the point about Josh Allen, so we set in our opening. A lot of talk about James Cook in this run game and the style, which looks very different than what it used to look like in the early days of Josh Allen where he was in the shotgun on every play and he had the ball in his hand on every play and it was magic and he was superman for four quarters the last couple of weeks. To your point, Taylor is, you're exactly right. They got very much away from that last week. Two weeks ago against Pittsburgh, Josh was a relative non factor outside of a run here and there. It was a heavy, heavy run game with Cook. We said in our open, don't let it fool you. Critical moments, critical downs. Third down, goal line, gotta have it. Two minute drill. Everything's on the line. The ball is going to be in Josh Allen's hand and he single handedly won the game. He's got a 40 something yard scramble touchdown when they were down 10 to cut it. Then again, the play of the game, third and 15. Cincinnati is about to get the ball punted back to him, down five. They just sacked Josh on second on for. They sacked him on first down. So it was third and 15. They max drop. They only rush four, they don't get to him and he scrambles untouched for a first down and they take a knee and win the game. I mean he was the best player on the field. And that's the Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills that we're accustomed to seeing. And when it mattered most, that did feel like a playoff game. Even though one team was 8 4, one team was 4 and 8. It had playoff vibes, playoff atmosphere and Josh Allen was the best player on the field.
- [35:20]
Will Compton
You think this Buffalo Bills team's got enough to get to the super bowl this year?
- [35:24]
Taylor Rooks
When you do, you know, Greg hates questions.
- [35:27]
Will Compton
I know, but it's like when you go against these legit defenses, Houston, Denver, like the, the thing with Buffalo is their inconsistency and kind of, you know, their, their weakness is their defense.
- [35:39]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
- [35:39]
Will Compton
So when you're going up against these, these elite defenses that I just mentioned, it's like, you know, do they have enough, are they going to have enough to get to the Super Bowl? Because that's kind of the question with the Bills every year.
- [35:51]
Josh Pate
Yeah, I think the advantage in the AFC for all the teams, so I'm Going to answer your question and not answer your question. The answer is yes. Right. I think they're good enough and I think partially is because of Josh Allen. And when you have a quarterback like that, especially if Lamar is not in it and Burrows not in it and Mahomes isn't in it, like if that all plays out, that those teams are all home for as good as Drake May is, Bo Nicks like these guys are, Drake May could potentially be the mvp.
- [36:20]
Do any of those AFC teams really scare you? Are you saying, oh my God, how are we going to beat the 15 win Chiefs? Oh my God, how are we going to beat the 13 win.
- [36:32]
Ravens?
- [36:32]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah, yeah.
- [36:33]
Josh Pate
Not really. Not really. I think any of those AFC teams could be any of those AFC teams. I think the path through the AFC this year is vastly different than it has been the last couple years where it was almost a foregone conclusion. It was going to come down to some combination of Lamar, Josh Allen and Mahomes.
- [36:51]
Taylor Rooks
Right.
- [36:51]
Josh Pate
Like, seemed like everybody else was just playing like fun games. Like, yeah, it's really cool that the Texans made it.
- [36:58]
Taylor Rooks
They.
- [36:58]
Josh Pate
Oh, it's really cool. But did any of those teams really think that they were going to make a run to the Super Bowl? Not really. I, I think every. All seven AFC teams that end up making it this year, I think home away, whatever. I, if I was in the afc, I would not be scared to play any of them. I'm probably not thrilled to play Houston's defense.
- [37:21]
Will Compton
Yeah, they are so good.
- [37:23]
Taylor Rooks
Denver as well.
- [37:25]
Josh Pate
I don't fear the off. The advantage I have playing against Houston is I'm not like, holy, the defense is so good and I got to find a way to score 25 points. You might be able to beat them by scoring 13 to 17 points.
- [37:40]
Will Compton
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's not like NFC feels like it's what the NFC west and the, the Packers.
- [37:47]
Josh Pate
NFC is a juggernaut.
- [37:48]
Taylor Rooks
NFC is psychotic.
- [37:50]
Will Compton
Yeah. It's like I don't want to throw the Niners out of it at all because of what they've done this year. But so, yeah, you got the ra, Seattle, the Niners and the Packers, I feel like are the ones that are playing high level football.
- [38:01]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. Even the ones that the defending super.
- [38:03]
Josh Pate
Bowl champion and the defending super bowl champ who, yes, have been a very weird anomaly as far still could arguably be the most talented, not the best, but the most talented roster in football who just went on a playoff run last year and won the whole thing. And they're like the stiff sixth option out of the NFC right now on paper.
- [38:25]
Will Compton
Right.
- [38:26]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah, it is scary. But for Buffalo, to me, it's like if you run into a team that can run the ball effectively and play good defense, you're, you're in trouble. That's where that's, you get big trouble. That's where we get to, I mean Houston, you're right, their offense. But like Bo Nix, Sean Payton and the Denver Broncos, I feel like they might be from a playoff standpoint, the most built to play in the playoffs.
- [38:49]
Will Compton
Until the Patriots go down, man, I, I like, obviously they've had a weaker schedule. When we talk about schedules and we're going to get to see it this weekend when it's Buffalo Patriots, round two now.
- [38:58]
Taylor Rooks
But the thing that I don't know who I was listening to on the drive, it was.
- [39:04]
Coward. He was talking about the Patriots and he's like, yeah, but they, they are not like really great at running the football. They're great at throwing the football, which is, I know, Greg, trust me, I'm gonna, I'll land this plan to where we can both agree. But when you get into the playoffs and you're playing in these stadiums in January when it's open, that the weather is different, it's freezing outside, wind everywhere, snow, it's now more difficult to throw the ball down the field the way the Patriots have. It's like you have elements playing against you along with the defense as well. That's what makes me worried for the Patriots because you're right. Like the best team in the AFC right now is clearly the Patriots.
- [39:38]
Josh Pate
Oh, I agree with, I, I don't disagree or push back on anything you just said. Playoff football, the formula for playing good offense, you know, just winning in the playoffs is very different than winning in the regular season.
- [39:50]
Taylor Rooks
You've said that a few times on the show.
- [39:52]
Josh Pate
So as I sit here and talk about the value of the passing game and scoring points and all that in the regular season. Yes. When you look at the best teams year in and year out, there's always going to be a couple that are like top five defenses and like middle of the road to bottom half offenses. The vast majority of the teams in the playoffs every year are going to find themselves in like the top 10 of offense.
- [40:17]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
- [40:18]
Josh Pate
Different years, there's different anomalies, but over large periods of times it's an offensive driven playoff picture. And then there's the couple wrinkles when you get to the playoffs and all the crappy teams are home and we're only left with Teams that are for the most part good at offense, they're probably have a good quarterback. There's probably some element of a passing game. Now, what is the differentiating factor to weed out the remaining teams? Run game defense, special teams, clock management, end of game strategy. Like that's where all those things carry even a bigger significance. So no, I don't push back on any of that. I think running the. I think the way Josh, I think the way the Bills are built while they're 9 and 4 in the regular season and people are going, what's wrong with the Bills? We're used to them having 13 wins. I actually think a worse regular season record as a result of the way they're playing. I actually think bodes better for them come playoff time because they don't need a hero performance every single minute and every play from Josh Allen. And that's been their problem in years past.
- [41:24]
Taylor Rooks
The thing that going to the other team that just played the Bengals, you know, this thing's obviously out of the controllables or like Joe Burrow, every year he's getting hurt and you kind of go back to the. After his first season when he tore his ACL and they're like, all right, they have the top five pick. They should take an offensive lineman. They end up taking Jamar Chase, which is, you know, obviously played out extremely well, but every year he's getting hurt. He's 3 and 1 this year as a quarterback. And their defense is terrible. Like, as you were watching the game and just from your football brain seeing everything on the field, how far off is that defense and is that offensive line from being like, okay, we can now start looking at the Bengals again as a team that we need to throw in the AFC consistently. Because every pre, every preseason it's like, oh yeah, these are the guys and you less stuff the quarterback and Joe Burrow is clearly in there. But then it's always an injury that takes place and look how shitty their defense is.
- [42:12]
Josh Pate
Yeah. So I think offensively, I'm not saying the offensive line is great. They're average to below average as a group.
- [42:22]
But quarterbacks elevate the ceiling of an offense and offensive line elevate the floor. Right? So the better your offensive line is, you just build up, okay, we're at least as good as this, whatever that level is. But when you have a quarterback and you have Jamar Chase and T. Higgins was great yesterday, and you have all the skill and the ability to score, you can outplay your offensive line, you can play above and beyond what they're capable of. I think the year that they went to the super bowl, wasn't he sacked like.
- [42:53]
70 times? Yeah, he was sacked 100 times and that game.
- [42:57]
Taylor Rooks
But that game came down to Aaron.
- [42:59]
Josh Pate
Donald couldn't protect the passer because Aaron Donald was an animal. So I say all of that to say offensively, I think they're fine. Now you're paying a ton of money to offensive skill players and that's going to come at the demise of something else. Right. You're going to have to draft really, really well. You're going to have to, when you draft offensive lineman, defensive lineman, you're, you're going to have to play a lot of young players because you need some cheap contracts to offset the really expensive guys. And that's the nature of anybody who's paid a top, top of the market quarterback and that's anybody that has multiple highly paid offensive or defensive players, but traditionally offensively. So it really puts a ton of stress on your draft picks and those young D linemen and those young linebackers that Cincinnati right now has in the lineup. How fast and how good can they be? Because again, they don't need to be the Houston Texans defense, they don't need to hold people to 14 points a game if they could. It's kind of along the lines of like Dallas. Right. So I kind of look at them at the same portion. If they could keep their offense exactly where it is and just get middle of the road, be the 16th, the 18th, the 20th ranked defense in points per game, you're going to win a lot of games. Yeah, but you can't be scoring 30 and give up 32. And that's Dallas, that's Cincinnati. So I think that's all of their resources going forward have to be put on the defensive side of the ball. And that's easier said than done because it's going to mostly come through the draft and you better draft really well because those guys are going to play and if they don't play, you got no shot because you missed on your draft picks and all your cheap assets aren't good enough to elevate the game and you just, it's going to be what they have now.
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Will Compton
Details. When are we going to start giving some respect to the Jacksonville Jaguars? I'm not ready to sneaky sneaky in the afc. Sneaky. You think that Trevor, like the offense is playing better? Obviously that'll be kind of the question mark going into the playoffs, but they have what, the number one run defense in football right.
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Taylor Rooks
Now? I thought that was the.
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Will Compton
Patriots. They're top. They're up there. Jaguars are up there defensively stopping the run. But Jaguars can be spicy in the playoffs.
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Taylor Rooks
Greg. Yeah, yeah, they.
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Josh Pate
Play. And it goes back to our previous conversation. I think every single team in the AFC playoff picture enters the playoffs and going this thing runs through.
- [52:27]
Will Compton
Us. Yeah, yeah man. Heart goes out to Danny Dimes. Daniel Jones, bro, like I when he's hitting the ground and you're hearing that it's an Achilles like I felt so bad for him. And that's just where the thought goes into my mind, where it's like, admiration and playing honorably does not eventually get you paid because he's out there playing on a fractured fibula. Like he's tough. He's got this story I personally like, as competitors, you just love to see this quarterback. He's got something going on, but he's trying to make it happen because the Colts have a real shot this year. And then to go out there and see it go down like that and he ruptures his Achilles knowing that this got. It's a compensation, like just knowing that all that played into it and you just see the emotion of him pounding the ground. He's on a, you know, basically a prove it contract this year. He was proving it this year. And to go down like that with an Achilles injury, you know, it's going to be part of the entire situation. When he gets paid next, it's.
- [53:25]
Taylor Rooks
Going to be, bro, a huge part of.
- [53:27]
Josh Pate
It. Like.
- [53:28]
Taylor Rooks
Awesome. Tens of millions of.
- [53:29]
Will Compton
Dollars.
- [53:29]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. Especially in the quarterback room. The good thing, let's play this whole thing out. The good thing for Daniel, Danny Dimes is they trade away their first round pick to acquire Sauce.
- [53:39]
Will Compton
Gardener.
- [53:39]
Taylor Rooks
Correct. So by making that decision, you're saying you're telling the rest of the NFL, okay, we are going for a Super bowl this.
- [53:45]
Will Compton
Year.
- [53:46]
Taylor Rooks
That's. That's what you're telling the rest of us. But what you're also doing is you're giving all the leverage to Daniel Jones and saying you've proven enough to be our quarterback of the future. We want you to be our guy. We want you to be our guy so much that we're going to take this first round pick we have, we're throwing out the window. We don't have to worry about a quarterback at all in the draft anymore because you're our.
- [54:04]
Will Compton
Guy. Yeah. We're going to get a defensive.
- [54:06]
Taylor Rooks
Piece. Yeah. Now this situation happens, he's. I still believe he's. I think he's going to be a Colt next year. I think he's going to have $100 million contract supply. He'll probably have a similar contract to Sam Darnold. It's not going to be insane like you see, like the Mahomes, Lamars, all those guys. But you're. You're going to get yourself, you know, 110, 120, probably could have been 150. Stop me if you guys think I'm wrong at.
- [54:27]
Will Compton
All. I don't know all the I don't know all the contractual stuff with like, I'll say the top 10, 15.
- [54:33]
Taylor Rooks
Guys, I think, dude, some dudes are making.
- [54:34]
Will Compton
Like. But bro, yeah, like, I don't. You say Sam Darnold, I'm like, yeah, I don't know if it's going to be a Sam Darnold. Like, Sam Darnold still went. He went like what, 14 and two last year, whatever the numbers were. Like, had a tough playoff game, but he still went off and got broke off because he played really well and finished like, statistically, he was one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL. Daniel Jones was for the first half of the season, had a couple shaky last couple weeks because he's playing on a fractured fibula, a fractured leg, goes down with an Achilles injury, which is one of the worst injuries to have as a player. Like, I don't see him. I see them. See them trying to figure out a way to take care of him and everything else. But make no mistake, they will be using that against him. No doubt he will not even come close to what he could have gotten paid.
- [55:16]
Taylor Rooks
As. As we all sit here as all washed up athletes. Gray, I love your opinion on this. Obviously there's. There was a time when you were playing, you have an injury and it's not your hurt, you have an actual injury where it's like, this could long term hurt you and you put the helmet on, you decide to play. All those times you did that, all the time you did that. Like, did it ever. Do you think it paid off? Do you think it's worth going out there being tough for your team, doing all the things that were kind of brainwashed as a kid, like toughness? You have to be tough no matter what. All the things. Do you think it's really worth that or the world we live in now, we have to understand how much of a business it actually is. And maybe these old heads that were talking to us when we first got in the league, they were right all.
- [55:55]
Josh Pate
Along.
- [55:57]
It's a great question. And I sit here now. My answer is, of course it was worth.
- [56:01]
Taylor Rooks
It. Yeah.
- [56:02]
Josh Pate
Right. Like, I think learning how to play through injury and learning how to play hurt and learning how to never feel great, I think that's a learned skill. Skill I think you have to learn. I used to tell young guys all the time, before you're able to play with a sprained ankle, you better be able to practice with a sprained ankle by the time you play with a shoulder that's feeling crappy in the game. You better see what that. What that shoulder feels like on Wednesday and figure out how to get yourself moving and shaking and what break. There's an art to playing for long periods of time. There's an art to not missing games. People always say, oh, man, you've been so lucky with injuries. Yes, you're lucky that you don't get catastrophic injuries. Right. You break your leg, tear your acl, blow your Achilles shoulder. Like, there are some. There's some injuries that are just unavoidable, and you just. I don't care how tough you are, you just can't play through them. But there's a lot of games missed by guys where I would argue they can play.
- [56:57]
Taylor Rooks
Through.
- [56:57]
Josh Pate
Yeah. The art of learning how to do that is very different now. I had the ability, and it's all.
- [57:03]
Will Compton
Very. It's all very gray, subjective, like. Yeah, you don't know. You don't know how this guy feels.
- [57:09]
Josh Pate
Yeah. If every time I didn't feel good, and if every time I woke up not feeling my best, or every time I put on my cleats and my foot was sore and my ankle was sore and my head felt a little groggy, or if every time that happened, I went to the trainer and got put into some sort of rehab process, I would have played five.
- [57:28]
Will Compton
Years.
- [57:28]
Josh Pate
Yeah. So.
- [57:32]
There is an element of luck. There's an element of preparation. Right. What you do to your body. It's not a coincidence that some guys do. Some guys don't get hurt. I think there are some elements of it. Guys control. I think there's some elements that are completely out of your control. I do think there's a third element that guys are scared to really talk about.
- [57:54]
That I think you got to just learn how to play with. And, yeah, there's an art to it. If I told you the amount of things I've had injected not with painkillers, but, like, we've all had Toradol, we've all had anti cortisone, anti inflammatory. Like, we've all done it. At least I'm. I'll raise my hand and say.
- [58:14]
Every.
- [58:14]
Taylor Rooks
Single. Every single game I've never.
- [58:16]
Josh Pate
Had. Now, I'll be clear. I've never had painkillers. I've never played a game on painkillers. I'm not judging people who have. I was in a different era early in my career. Guys were still doing, like, dmso, and it was a little bit different. That kind of went away with the new CBA and all that. But, like, I never played a Game on painkillers. I was never given painkillers after my couple surgeries. I never even took them. Like I stayed away from painkillers. But I've had cortisone shots in almost every joint in my body. I've had back injections where on Fridays I couldn't stand up. I'd have back injections and play on Sunday. Like that's the reality of the game. And I wouldn't do it any different if I had to go back. But I also had the luxury of playing 14 years and I went 10 years without missing a game. I was very lucky in that sense. But I also played a lot of games where I was not healthy. I played games with broken elbows in a big ass brace and I played games with a broken. Like you just do what you got to do to play. And I don't regret any of.
- [59:15]
Will Compton
It. Yeah, it is all very situational. Luck does come into the equation a lot. Like it's. It's like I'm. I'm proud that like I had a grade two PCL that I had.
- [59:25]
Josh Pate
Torn and I got PCL is the.
- [59:27]
Will Compton
Worst. And I was back pr like I was, you know, I was absolutely everything I possibly could to get back. And I was back on the practice field like eight or nine days. Was able to. I missed one game. It was actually against Carolina. When you guys came to town in like 2016 or.
- [59:40]
Taylor Rooks
Something. Greg Olson on the.
- [59:41]
Josh Pate
List. He was scared.
- [59:42]
Taylor Rooks
Taylor. Yeah. Oh, yeah, buddy. You hear me? He saw. Yeah. Oh, griggle. I don't.
- [59:46]
Will Compton
Know. Let me get.
- [59:47]
Taylor Rooks
Out. You know, to be honest, coach, I. Not this.
- [59:49]
Will Compton
Week. And you know, I was in a spot too where I was on a. What is it called when you're not a restricted. I was an exclusive rights free agent that year since I had a practice squad year and another credited season didn't count toward my free agency. They had me on an exclusive rights free agency deal and then the next year I was going to be a restricted free agent. And you're hopeful that they're going to admire your willingness to fight and get back on the field and hopefully it gets you on the back end. But playing those the rest of the season on a torn pcl. It's like there's one play against New York where we're on a winning end game and Eli Manning hits the. Puts the old index fingers together. I know what plays coming. They're doing a three flat screen. I'm mugged up in the A gap. I tell Mason Foster, hey, you run the blitz I'll take the coverage in this assignment. Whenever we identify where they're blocking protection, I see Eli do this. I'm coming as a three player. I'm going to be the one that chases this three flat screen. I couldn't break down good enough. I missed the tackle. They win in the game. That's weighed on my mind forever because I look back and like, because I'm playing on the torn pcl. You're hoping it pays off for you. They get you in a undrafted, restricted rights for ages. Like, it doesn't. It didn't work out for me that way. But then I think about when I was trying to make the team on practice squad my rookie year, and I have a torn hamstring, and I'm just like, okay, Kenan Robinson has a torn pack. He's out for the year. He's on ir. Jeremy Kimbrough, the guy in front of me, he just tore his hamstring, like, fully grade.
- [61:14]
Taylor Rooks
Three. Off the.
- [61:15]
Will Compton
Bone. Yeah, off the bone. He's out. It's my time to run with the twos. I had caught a grade two on my upper, like, right below my ass, and it was fucking painful. But if I don't go out there and play, I never even play in the NFL. So to me, it's like there is this, I guess, like, skill, art, whatever you want to call it. Then there's these unlucky situations where you think back on. It's like, damn, I shouldn't have played on that torn pcl. But all of my entire mentality on playing with injuries, it's like, I probably would have never even been in that position anyway. Yeah. So it is. It's like, what is it? Is this a phrase where you use the catch 22? I never even understood the whole catch 22. It's like, I see what.
- [61:54]
Josh Pate
Some.
- [61:57]
It made your.
- [61:58]
Will Compton
Career. Yeah.
- [61:59]
Josh Pate
Yes. And then others. My biggest regret. So I say all of this, that I don't have regrets. I guess I do have one. 2007. So I went from 2007 to 2017, and I never missed a game. 2017, week two. I break my foot at home, maybe against Dallas. I don't remember who it was, but it was our first home game. I broke my foot. I broke my fifth.
- [62:26]
Will Compton
Metatarsal. Yep.
- [62:27]
Josh Pate
Yes. So it's a bitch of an injury. I have two scenarios. We, we. We thought we had a really good team, and throughout we were winning. And so there's two scenarios. You can go in and get a screw put in, and it's like, A six to eight week recovery, which I'm always like, oh, I'm going to be five, right? Like, we all think we are going to be the only.
- [62:45]
Taylor Rooks
One. We all play that game in our.
- [62:46]
Josh Pate
Head. We all play that game. Or you can go in and you can get the screw and a bone graph and you're out for the whole season. So in my mind I'm like, well, that's not. Why would I ever. You tell me six to eight weeks. I'm doing six to eight weeks. Why would I do three months and miss the.
- [63:03]
Will Compton
Bullshit?
- [63:03]
Josh Pate
Yeah. So I go, I get the bone graph, I rehab like crazy and I come back and we make the playoffs. I wasn't particularly great movement wise, but I was good enough to play the rest of the year and finished the season. We lost in the playoffs, but I was like, it was worth coming back to finish the year with the guys. Right. I go all offseason, no issues with my foot. Feeling better, Better, better. First game of 2018, I rebreak my foot. Same foot, same foot I cracked. So the pit, the screw held. I cracked the bone on top and bottom, but the bone was held together by this screw that was put in a year ago. So I missed the next like three games. But they tell me as long as the bone holds, as long as once it breaks all the way through, you're gonna have to get surgery anyway. You could try to play through this. Well, we do everything in our power to get the bone to heal, bone stimulators, you name it. And I come back and through my rehab process, I get plantar fasciitis. I'm playing down in Tampa and my planner explodes. It's like I stepped on a hand grenade. So I'm done now. Seasons lost, I go now have a second surgery on that foot bone graph, fix it. That foot never felt better. I developed some other foot compensation stuff on the other leg. Long story short, if I would have gotten the bone graph initially and missed all of the 2017 season and just bag that, I think I play the entire 18 without missing time. I played the entire 19. And maybe I played longer, maybe the last three years of my career. I'm more productive, I'm better, right? Who knows? But in the moment, there was no telling me to do the longer surgery, to, like, worry about myself and not come make a playoff run like that. Never even. That never was even an.
- [64:59]
Taylor Rooks
Option.
- [65:00]
Will Compton
Yeah. Yeah.
- [65:01]
Taylor Rooks
Man. When they kind of put these things in front of you, I. I like. In 2016, we were playing the Indianapolis Colts at the Colts. And this is. This is the first year I made. I made my first Pro bowl. And I was. I think we're like, halfway through the season, and I'm kind of Greg. I'm on, like, a little bit of a tear. Like, no sacks. Given me Jack Conklin as well. Like, Jack had, like, maybe one sack or, like, even no sacks as well. But we're like, in the eighth week, and it's like they're starting out. We whispers like we're turning around. We went from 3 and 13. Now we're going that we end up being 9 and 7. It's like, oh, fuck. Like, this is a real possibility. My team is going to be like, you could make the Pro bowl this year. You're playing like that. So this is like, all in my mind. We're playing the Colts. We slide the protection to the right. So I go from being man on this guy. They have seven up, and Marcus goes, hey, we're sliding all the way, right? So I go and I take over the four eye, and I have him into Marco Murray cuts the admin on the line of scrimmage into my left leg. Hyper extends my leg. And so I hear, like, a crack, and I, like, lay there, and I'm like, no. Is this what it's like to tear your acl? And they come up, doctor comes up, does the thing, and he goes, hey, we think you told your acl. We think you're done for the year. We'll have to do MRI on it. You know, I get in the blue tent, we go in the locker, and I'm like, this. There's no way that this is how it ends. I end up getting the mri, and there's like, what? I don't know which. Whatever bone. This one is the big one. I have, like, a crack down it, and they're like, hey, you. Good news, bad news. Good news is this bone has a hairline fracture down it. The. The bad. Oh, no. That's the bad news. The good news is your ACL is. Your ACL is actually intact. It's fine. Maybe take a couple weeks off. Let's get this. Let's get this bone to heal up just fine, and then, you know, we'll go with the rest of here. I'm like, there's no way. We played the Bears the next week, and you talked about never did pain pills or anything like that. I never took pain pills during a game. But from week, like, eight to, like, I think we got into the wild card that every Monday through Saturday, it Was popping a couple Sundays. I felt too uncomfortable to take anything like that because I wanted to have my wits about me. But it was, do as much as you possibly can, and it ends up working out that way where it's like, all right, made the Pro Bowl. But like, that detox after, when the season's over, guys don't talk about that enough. Where it's like, you, yeah, you put yourself in that position. I remember I got four or five days where I'm like, legitimate withdrawals of, like, shaking, uncomfortable. And it just. It sucks. But you. You go back to. You're like, I'm so proud I did that. Because if there's a piece of you, like week 12, when the boys are like, oh, I'm feeling this way, like, you know, you're gonna be like, you know, I got, like, a hairline fracture. I'm playing on a bro, I'm playing on a broken.
- [67:36]
Josh Pate
Leg. Like, you're gonna be by the end of the year. By the end of the year. It's a compound.
- [67:39]
Taylor Rooks
Fracture. Yeah, yeah. And you're just. Yeah, exactly. It's a big no story. Like, body.
- [67:46]
You rolled your ankle. That's cool. My leg's broken. And I mean, it's been broken for six, seven weeks, but, yeah, you go ahead if you want to play, it's.
- [67:52]
Will Compton
Fine. Yeah, you kind of take that. You kind of just take that risk, man. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it's. Again, it's like Danny, when I heard that he had the, Like, a fractured. He was playing on a fractured fibula. The PTSD in my brain is. I had. Before I had my broken fifth metatarsal. Greg. It was at Nebraska, and we were in this big time linebacker competition with a few of us in the same class. This is Levante David's first year as well. He's making splash plays. And I had a hairline on my. On my foot when I got X rays. And it was like, hey, you could miss the opening week of the season. I was slated to be the starter. So in my head, I'm like, you know, you can't not be on the field or on the practice field and let other guys get opportunities. Somebody might when it's close because they could take it over. And so I go out there and the next week of practice, it was the Thursday, kind of like jog through. It was just helmets before the first pre. Before the opening game of the season. And it's just a guy jogs and runs a stick rod. I plant below my fifth metatarsal. I Have to get the pin put in it. I'm out. I think seven weeks come back for the Texas game, but by the time I come back from my broken foot with the. Now a pin in it, Levante David is Levante. The Levante Dave is. Now that we've seen the league that's played forever, he comes out first game, has 13 tackles, blows somebody up over the middle. I'm up there on a scooter, watching from the press box, just thinking, yeah, this job ain't going to be here when I get.
- [69:12]
Taylor Rooks
Back. Oh, is that the worst.
- [69:13]
Will Compton
Feeling? Yeah, but it's. Levante was such a stud. You just kind of. You might have these arguments in your head of, you know, if coaches might be feeling a guy, but, hey, I know I'm playing better than this guy. That was one where it's like Levante, the way he slipped through blocks and everything else. Him being undersized. It didn't matter. The dude, the tape kind of spoke for itself, and it's one you can't really. You just kind of, you know, what role in situations. Am I going to get to play some.
- [69:38]
Taylor Rooks
Ball?
- [69:38]
Will Compton
Yeah. You know what I.
- [69:39]
Taylor Rooks
Mean? I did. I didn't even know if you'd get.
- [69:41]
Will Compton
Hurt. But the fifth metatarsal sucks, man. With the.
- [69:44]
Josh Pate
Pin. The.
- [69:45]
Taylor Rooks
Worst. Yeah, I.
- [69:46]
Josh Pate
Know. It ended my.
- [69:48]
Taylor Rooks
Career. I know. We got to get out of here before we go rock Tampa Bay, lose the Saints. I looked at that game and I was like, I'm not even gonna watch. Just looked down at the shit. I'm like, holy. The Saints.
- [69:58]
Will Compton
Won.
- [69:58]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. And so now, like, your Panthers are right there. They're tied. You think they're gonna pull it.
- [70:03]
Josh Pate
Off?
- [70:06]
They got two games. They got two. Two of their last four against Tampa. They got two against.
- [70:09]
Taylor Rooks
Tampa.
- [70:10]
Josh Pate
Heart. A tough game against Seattle and against New Orleans this week. So it's in there. It's in their.
- [70:16]
Will Compton
Hands. Greg, you're the man, bro. Thank you for. Appreciate you guys for joining the boys. See you again next week. And I'll be watching ball all situations. I'm gonna be texting to text.
- [70:25]
Josh Pate
You. Text.
- [70:26]
Taylor Rooks
Me. See you, brother. Have a good.
- [70:27]
Josh Pate
One. Appreciate it. See you.
- [70:28]
Taylor Rooks
Guys.
- [70:30]
I love that dude. What a guy.
- [70:33]
Just. Just a good 30 minutes. For all the viewers out there listening who want a football recap. Just hearing me, Will and Greg talk about how tough we were at. At one point in our.
- [70:41]
Will Compton
Lives. Just our.
- [70:42]
Mitch Sherman
Old. Or are you.
- [70:42]
Taylor Rooks
Injured? Are you hurt or are you injured? And we didn't get to talk about this, dude. But I feel like the true path of an athlete, like, being a true athlete, is the ability to compensate. Like, you can be fast, strong, quick, all those things. But it's when these, like, issues happen in the foot and body. Like, Greg brought it up. Like, when he had that fifth metatarsal the second time, he had other compensation issues. Great athletes have the ability to, like, compensate when other things aren't working the way they're supposed to do it. So it's.
- [71:08]
Will Compton
Just. I appreciate that. Shout out.
- [71:09]
Mitch Sherman
Man. Yeah. I mean, back in my day.
- [71:12]
Will Compton
I don't even know how many injuries, how many times I've been under the. Under the.
- [71:16]
Taylor Rooks
Scope. Dude, you said. Jordan, you had five surgeries in.
- [71:18]
Will Compton
College. Yeah. So my freshman, my redshirt year, my right labrum, that's when I caught the 12 anchors. I broke my foot. I had a peroneal tendon removed. I had to get a perineal tendon removed in my left ankle. So both feet had been under the microscope.
- [71:36]
Pro day, right after the pro day, I had to fly to Europe, and I had a sports hernia, tore my PCL that never got fixed. Never had to fix that. I want to say that's one that you can kind of avoid. Like, Troy Palmalu, I believe, played on a torn pcl, and, you know, he was a. He's an absolute monster. But the. The torn pcl, I think that's. I believe that's it. Oh, yeah. And then Liz Frank. Liz Frankfurt. I came to Tennessee. That was.
- [72:06]
Taylor Rooks
Brutal. The only surgeries I've had are an ACL and an ACL reconstruction. Yeah, those are the only two, but they were the death of me. But sometimes you. You just got a bunch of body shots. I took a headshot, you know what I'm saying? But I had. Dude, I got this thumb. I told you about this, right? We went to go see the doctor when. Cut her thumb. Yeah. So when cuts her thumb. And the doctor's like, yeah, it's gonna be fine. It's not down to the tendons, but what is that? And I'm like, oh, this old. This little fish hook thing right here. He's like, buddy, you got to get that fixed. Like, that's going to be an issue in your. And your wrist, eventually elbow and shoulder. Like, it's gonna be a big problem. So I'll get. I'm getting fixed right after the season. So I'll have my third surgery, fourth after my tonsils. But that's really.
- [72:44]
Will Compton
It. You're gonna have surgery on.
- [72:46]
Taylor Rooks
That?
- [72:46]
Will Compton
Yeah. When you say after the season.
- [72:48]
Taylor Rooks
Like, you're talking about after this football season that you and I are now.
- [72:51]
Will Compton
Okay. We don't play anymore.
- [72:53]
Taylor Rooks
Brother.
- [72:53]
Will Compton
Hey. He said, I'm gonna get.
- [72:54]
Taylor Rooks
The. A piece of you that still kind of feels not. I don't feel like we're playing, but like, my brain, our. Our calendar still revolves exactly the way it.
- [73:03]
Will Compton
Did. Oh, yeah, yeah. Calendar still always.
- [73:04]
Taylor Rooks
Football. It's like, I tell Taylor all the time, like, hey, when the fall is over, she's like, sweetie, we're in. We're in winter time. I was like, this is the fall. This is football season. So when the season's over, then I can go do X, Y and Z. Greg's talking about being the Bahamas. I'm thinking myself. Oh, my God. That sounds.
- [73:20]
Will Compton
Nice. Yeah. Would love to celebrate with his wife. Happy birthday, Mrs.
- [73:24]
Taylor Rooks
Olson. I. I see. I see that. What we have highlighted up here. Do we. Do we want to talk about.
- [73:29]
Will Compton
That? I didn't really watch. I was kind of keeping up with the Titans Browns game. I thought shoulder. What do you have? Almost 400 yards passing, three touchdowns. Rushing.
- [73:37]
Taylor Rooks
Touchdowns. Yeah, yeah.
- [73:38]
Will Compton
Yeah. Cam Ward had an unbelievable incomplete.
- [73:41]
Greg Olson
Pass.
- [73:41]
Taylor Rooks
Yes. Top five incomplete pass of all.
- [73:44]
Will Compton
Time. Big one, though, that we haven't touched on. Packers beating the.
- [73:47]
Taylor Rooks
Bears. Yeah. And like, we've done so many takes every single week on espn. Buddy called that one, didn't.
- [73:55]
Will Compton
We?
- [73:55]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. Right now the Bears are sitting in the seventh seat. They went from the one seed to the seven seed in a matter of three and a half.
- [74:01]
Will Compton
Hours.
- [74:01]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. And that's just.
- [74:02]
Mitch Sherman
Crazy. You guys think that game gives.
- [74:06]
Like, people are asking, are the Bears frauds now? I feel like that game kind of. The Bears proved. Yeah, they lost, but they proved that they're not frauds. Like, they can hang.
- [74:14]
Will Compton
With. The Bears are not.
- [74:15]
Taylor Rooks
Frauds. No, I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [74:17]
Will Compton
Yeah. I was just going to say the Bears are not frauds whatsoever. Like, very. Again, takeaways on defense. Caleb Williams has done a great job in the fourth quarter winning some games. Yes. He missed a big throw yesterday, and everybody's going to break that play down and everything else. Bears have had an awesome season, but they are, like, statistically, you know, bottom toward the bottom of the list in the majority of categories defensively, Caleb Williams, no matter, like, the dude is electric. He spins a football. Dude has a rocket of an arm. But also it statistically one of the worst. One of the least accurate.
- [74:50]
Mitch Sherman
Quarterbacks. He is the.
- [74:52]
Will Compton
Worst. He.
- [74:52]
Taylor Rooks
Is.
- [74:52]
Will Compton
Yeah. He is the worst. I know jay. I know J.J. mcCarthy. But again, when you're Talking about inaccuracies. Caleb Williams is also there. Dude's been. I saw a stat yesterday during that game, watching that Packers Bears game. He said, at this point of the game, they brought up the graphic. 33 unblocked pressures, sacked zero.
- [75:11]
Taylor Rooks
Times.
- [75:11]
Will Compton
Yeah. His ability to stay alive. And his arm. His arm is.
- [75:15]
Taylor Rooks
Unbelievable.
- [75:16]
Will Compton
Unbelievable. Sometimes he's just off target. But they've had a great year. It's just when you're watching it all unfold and you see the NFC as. As a whole, it's like the NFC west with the Niners, Rams and Seattle, then Packers. They are playing some really good football. That they just have a really good defense.
- [75:32]
Taylor Rooks
Defense. If you look at the Bears from last year to this year, that team has gotten immensely better under Ben. Ben Johnson. Yeah, they are. They are a. They are very good football.
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Taylor Rooks
Yeah. So are the Bears frauds? No, in the sense that they're. That. I think they're a good ball.
- [75:48]
Will Compton
Club. The Bears are frauds. If you thought that they were an elite team in the nfc, that's on.
- [75:53]
Taylor Rooks
You. Yeah, they're frauds. If you think the. If you say, hey, the Bears are contenders, I'm saying, well, then, no, the Bears are.
- [75:59]
Will Compton
Frauds. Yeah. Yeah. If you had them in your brain, like, this is a contender football team, and you're so pissed about that game yesterday that you're just. You're upset with the quarterback, you're upset with that coach, you're upset with all things Chicago. Like, that's more on.
- [76:11]
Taylor Rooks
You.
- [76:11]
Will Compton
Yeah. Because I think that they've done a great job winning some of these tight games where they could have had no business winning those.
- [76:17]
Taylor Rooks
Games. No business. And, dude, I mean, the intangibles that Caleb William has are incredible. Like, there's just things you cannot teach to just jump off the tape when you're watching him and he's like. Like you said, 33 unblocked pressure, zero.
- [76:30]
Josh Pate
Sacks.
- [76:30]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. That is a stat that I would. I would print out and frame if I'm Caleb Williams. He is. Yeah. I think he's the most elusive quarterback in the NFL. Like, he. No one can really get to him. And his ability. He does. He's been ready, like, you know, somewhat, and he's been inaccurate, but he's getting better and better. And I think next year we're going to. Next year they get. They tune up a couple of things. We'll see how free agency in the draft goes. But we could go into next year thinking, oh, hey, the Bears are actual contenders now. If Caleb Williams makes this next.
- [76:59]
Mitch Sherman
Step, talking about his elusivity. I saw a stat watching the game so.
- [77:04]
Taylor Rooks
Bad. Keep.
- [77:04]
Mitch Sherman
Going. Caleb Williams has like five or six plays over 20 miles an hour running. The rest of the NFL, I think has like.
- [77:13]
Taylor Rooks
Four. Yeah.
- [77:15]
Will Compton
Yeah. He's electric to watch. I enjoy watching him. It's just again, when you're talking about the division, Packers, Bears, Jordan Love is unbelievable. Yeah, that defense is.
- [77:24]
Taylor Rooks
Unbelievable.
- [77:25]
Will Compton
Yep. You got Josh Jacobs, Watson gets going in their wide receiver group. Like they're, they're, they're going to be a tough football.
- [77:32]
Taylor Rooks
Team. The farther we get into the season and we've seen this, all this kind of thing's happening with the packers and the conversation we just had with Greg, like the packers are built perfectly for the playoffs. Yeah, yeah, they're built perfectly now. They live on the, in the world of the NFC when it's like, brother, I think we walk into all these games in the playoffs and their spreads are like one and a half. Yeah, two and a half. Like it's going to be, it's going to be pickups all the way through. Like, I am so excited to watch these playoffs coming up. But the packers do what they built a little resume, their ability to run the ball. Josh James had what, 88 yards yesterday. Cracked off a couple of 15ers here and there. But like physical get after the down. The downside to them is their offensive line, but they have weapons on the perimeter. Their defense is high flying. They go everywhere. They got Rashad Gary and Rashad Gary. Sorry. And Micah Parsons. Both guys blue chip, five star guys coming out of high school. Obviously were both first round draft picks. Like they are built for the playoffs. Bill, I had to piss so bad. Close this.
- [78:30]
Will Compton
Out. Yeah, do your thing. I was just gonna say we're sitting in a nice pocket for some of the things we've talked about. We were on ESPN last week saying Bears were going to make the playoffs. Sneaky Jacksonville Jaguars been saying it says said since.
- [78:43]
Taylor Rooks
September. Hey, not so much for college though. You remember who you picked to win the national.
- [78:47]
Will Compton
Championship? Was it Penn State or. Yeah, yeah.
- [78:50]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. I saw the club about it yesterday. It was your, your national championship. Still alive. I go didn't Will pick Penn.
- [78:55]
Will Compton
State. I think I had. Like, who do I have? Penn State, maybe Texas, Clemson, who knows? My. Yeah, college football. No one gives a about college football, boys. Not right here, not in this.
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Josh Pate
Segment. Not.
- [79:07]
Will Compton
Now. I'm talking about some of my old takes right now. You're joking. Chiefs ain't making the playoffs. Broncos. I was talking in September. Like later in September. Hey, Patriots gonna upset the Bills now. Patriots gonna win the division. We got that one sitting.
- [79:24]
Yeah, the sneaky Jacksonville Jaguars once again sitting in a good pocket. Oh, the Eagles are gonna get figured out.
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But I am excited. The NFL playoffs are going to be electric. Speaking of playoffs, the College Football Playoff, the rankings, the tournament is set. We're going to get into that with all of our college Football talk coming. If you're watching on YouTube that will drop. That'll be a separate episode. Show dropped. If you're listening to us on audio right now, you will hear an ad break and then we will get in to our college football talk. Thank you guys for tuning in. I hope you enjoy Greg Olson hearing the old war stories. Continue to leave comments. Do not forget to leave comments. And again, just make sure you check your phone or computer, whatever you're on, wherever you're listening to us or watching us and make sure you are subscribed to bussin with the.
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Will Compton
Com. Welcome back to Busting with the boys. We are now doing the college football recap. Gentlemen, here we are sitting here on the bus Monday morning after selection Sunday, the college football playoff. It's lined out. The tournament is set in stone. There's chaos everywhere. I'm sure there's a lot of things we can talk about. Conference championships, the whole Alabama in situation, Miami in situation. Notre Dame out situation. There is a lot to break down. G, G. Five teams, two of them. Two G5.
- [82:42]
Taylor Rooks
Teams. Two very worthy teams. That one is dogs by 17 and a half. The other one's dog by 21 and a half. Definitely deserving of being the playoffs. Let's give them a round of applause. Shout out to G. Congratulations to JMU and.
- [82:57]
Will Compton
Tulane. But a lot of conversations to talk about. Where do we want to get started? We got the boys on the bus. J.P. jack Garrett, clump, Sherman, Mitch. All college football sickos. All, I'm sure, have opinions on this weekend. We need to break it down right.
- [83:13]
Taylor Rooks
Here. Let's whip through this, these conference championships real quick. Do you want to start with the one we were.
- [83:18]
Will Compton
At? Yeah, let's. Hey, getting to do the outcast.
- [83:22]
Mitch Sherman
Buddy. Round of.
- [83:23]
Taylor Rooks
Applause.
- [83:26]
Do you.
- [83:27]
Will Compton
Mind? Go.
- [83:27]
Taylor Rooks
Ahead. This was one of the most fun things that I have ever been able to do with you. It was. It was just awesome. Like, G, Jack, Clump. Like, we flew in the way. We flew in on a private jet, and then this bus comes in and picks us up. And these three dudes shared one room together. We are such a backwards business. It's insane. But, like, you guys, the three of you, I mean, I'll. We'll get into everything, but you guys were so extremely helpful the entire time, helping with the waters. Hey, anything you need. Hey, you won't mind holding this. Every break, you guys are coming up to us, helping us out. Clump you yelling at the bus driver to stop, only to know find out that he was actually taking us to the right spot the entire time. We'll get into all that. But, like, dude, you. The three of you. The three of you, the energy, everything, like, it's so incredibly helpful in these spots because I'll speak for myself. But, like, you're living in this world of nerves, and you're kind of always playing like how this thing's gonna go and you're playing things in your head. You guys kept it light, kept it fun, like grabbing the coffees, like being as helpful as possible. It was massive cold coffee. And then getting, getting the call from Pat McAfee, ESPN to say, hey, we want you guys, you two dumb idiots. We want you along with the well spoken Josh Payton, Harry Douglas, to go and call this, this altcast, an SEC championship. Not on ESPN plus or ESPN2, but the actual ESPN where every swinging dick in the world who has basic cable at least can thumb through their channels and it'll pop up where you will see our faces. Dude, it was awesome. Yeah, it truly was.
- [85:00]
Will Compton
Incredible. It's. It's surreal. It's like I had put up a post. Like, I wish I could say this was a dream come true, but I'll be honest. Like, when we started busting with the boys and everything else, like, doing something like this has just never even been a thought in my brain, right? And getting to do it and getting texts from my brothers and dad and family members and people in my close circle and just Wyatt, my youngest brother, just being like, like, what the. You're. You're gonna be doing an all cast on espn? That's insane. Insane. Yeah.
- [85:26]
Taylor Rooks
It'S.
- [85:27]
Will Compton
It. Dude, it is surreal, man. And we're on the sideline. It's me, you, Josh Pate, Harry Douglas getting to sit there and chop it up with guys throughout the, throughout the game. Sean Alexander, Brandon Spikes, Quavo, Jalen Walker. Just being in that, Being in that stadium for championship Saturday, Bama versus Georgia, it's just surreal. And it's like I never want to, I never want us to take these moments for granted because we are not doing, we are not even in these moments without the support of everybody that tunes in, everybody that's watched and followed from day one. The support and love was awesome after, like getting to your phone and seeing all the messages, seeing all the mentions on social media. But we are not doing that unless we have the support of everybody out there, the tier ones. Absolutely everybody that's helped hype us up along the way. And we've like stumbled forward and ended up on ESPN doing an alt cast for the SEC.
- [86:22]
Taylor Rooks
Championship.
- [86:22]
Will Compton
Yeah. And it's just really cool we're not here. Like, we're not here without you guys grinding every week without all the fans leaving comments all the time. Just how we've been propped up to be on get up this year and do the Outcast and just everything we've gotten to do Crossing paths with Josh Pate this year has been.
- [86:40]
Taylor Rooks
Unbelievable. That's such a crazy, perfect.
- [86:42]
Will Compton
Alignment. Yeah. And it's. Dude, I'm thankful. It's like gratitude. I was very nervous. The Jack, he got the video of me before the game where I'm, like, walking. I'm, like, talking out there out loud. Like, my prep this week has felt like I'm getting ready to play in a game. My feeling at the hotel when we're having our dinner, that was super important on Friday. And I'm kind of thinking, man, I want to get to my room. I want to be able to think about these things before we do Josh Bates live show and then get it back and be like, okay, I want to put on some more prep so I can set myself up for tomorrow morning. When we're sitting down there having coffee and talking shop, some of the things going on my head, I got the paper sitting right there, trying to still study. I have no clue how it's going to go. And I had those. That excitement and those nerves kind of mixed together at the same time. Going on to that field, then having the little botched dry.
- [87:28]
Taylor Rooks
Run. We got to walk through that. We got to walk through.
- [87:31]
Will Compton
That. It was unbelievable. All the fans we got to meet there, like, all the dogs barking, guys, like, pull up my phone and take videos. And they're all performing for the video, taking selfies with everybody. It was unbelievable.
- [87:41]
Taylor Rooks
Man. Dude, in walking on the field in Atlanta at the SEC championship in, like, equipment, staff is there, coaches are starting to walk through, and people just like, coming up to us being like, yo, I love your like. And you're just like, oh, for real. Like that. That tight end, number seven, lucky for Georgia. For Georgia. He's, like, warming up. Like, we're kind of staying there. Like, cat hasn't started. Like, this is like the warmups before they go back in and come back out. And he takes a moment out of his warm up as I'm like, turning a corner. He's like, bro, love watching your show. And I'm just like, yeah, it's insane that people. It's always mind blowing that people.
- [88:14]
Will Compton
Watch. And he had a big catch on that pump.
- [88:16]
Taylor Rooks
Screen. Yeah. And, yeah, you were getting all hyped about that screaming in the microphone. Dude, it was amazing. It was. It was so funny. After hearing Will's voice, I'm thinking this really was just screaming the whole time. And I. During the game, too, I didn't realize that, like, I'm kind of. I'm talking the way I am right now and Will.
- [88:36]
Will Compton
Is. We are the big one.
- [88:38]
Taylor Rooks
Here. It's second and seven. And I'm thinking I had never crossed my brain that that was in until Josh brought it up on the flight. Oh, this dude really was screaming.
- [88:49]
Will Compton
The whole time, which is just like Charles texting me, laughing. She's like, Taylor sounded completely normal. And you're just yelling. You're yelling the entire time about the A.
- [88:58]
Taylor Rooks
Gap. Yeah. How weird is that? When you're. When you're like talking to a game, you can hear the crowd getting wound up and you obviously feel like, oh, I gotta scream into this microphone. When really that's what the microphone is for, is to pick up your.
- [89:10]
Will Compton
Voice. It's like a couple things. One, it's very loud in those.
- [89:13]
Taylor Rooks
Ears.
- [89:13]
Will Compton
Yes. Oh, it's very like you can't hear anything. You can like feel the crowd and you can hear all the noise coming in from everybody's microphone. So you feel like you got to be a little bit louder. But also just being immersed in the game and like talking to the game. It's like I'm sitting there, I was like, I felt like just a linebacker trying to call that.
- [89:28]
Taylor Rooks
Football. Yeah, yeah.
- [89:29]
Will Compton
Yeah. Somebody makes a pop or a big hit or makes a play. When Bray Hubbard made a play on that first series, just getting to say the. My favorite terms, like piss and vinegar, a gap, blood flowing below the belt. We start talking about teams.
- [89:41]
Taylor Rooks
Porn. We like start talking about the all white team. Like that kid, you know, when he gets drafted, we know a team, he's going on. Well, Compton, we're kind of smiling, giggling ourselves and all like, yeah, A tier ones are laughing at an inside.
- [89:50]
Mitch Sherman
Joke. When you said, when you said the. The special teams porn part, like, you like died off at the point because you didn't know if you were.
- [89:57]
Will Compton
Like. And in my head before I said special teams porn, I'm thinking, do I say.
- [90:01]
Taylor Rooks
Porn? Yeah. On this broadcast, you just say, hey, what. What just happened on that play needs to be age verified. If you're going on a.
- [90:07]
Will Compton
Website. Yeah.
- [90:07]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. Like, that is. Dude, it was awesome. It really was. And I'm like, excited. But there's a piece of me that you know when you do something one time, it's like the next time you do it, like all the things that kind of caught you off guard, you're like, oh, like, I know. I knew walking into it that there's four of us talking about a football game that all have football knowledge. Like, the lift is not as big as you think it's going to be so like, it's not like one guy's calling the game and you're giving all the color on it. Like Pete's calling the game. But also all four of us are going to talk about what we've seen. So you're talking like, not as much after every single play. So I wasn't nervous. I was more excited. Like, man, I like, it's like high school football excited. And we go to do the dry run and Caitlyn's in our ear. She's like, hey, what's gonna happen is we're gonna go, we're do the dry run and then a few minutes later, we're gonna start the broadcast. But let's just make everybody feels comfortable. We're gonna, we're gonna run you through what we're going to play on the screen. You can do.
- [91:00]
Will Compton
That. And so for more context, too, for everybody watching and listening, the dry run, we were doing it 10 minutes before we went.
- [91:07]
Taylor Rooks
Live. Yeah, 10.
- [91:08]
Will Compton
Minutes. Had the monitors out there. We're going to do a practice run. It's going to be like we're going to. Talking about our key players. We're going to run on the monitor. You guys Talk through your 25 seconds.
- [91:15]
Taylor Rooks
Each. So we. So first off was like Harry Douglas talking about Zachariah Branch, which played out perfectly because he really was a massive piece of George's game plan. And then Josh Pitt goes on Tim Keenan. Then my whole thing was about the offensive lines and the different type of offense they're going to run. And then Will. But Will went before me. So flip that Will, when I talk about Gunner, shocking. And then I was the last one to go about the two offensive lines and how they. They're going to win the game. Josh goes smacks the out of it. Like, true and true. Josh paid for my. I've never heard that man say or stutter.
- [91:44]
Will Compton
Over. He's a.
- [91:45]
Taylor Rooks
Pro. He's a true pro. Harry Douglas, he's in his RG3 bag doing the fun stuff. Then Will starts to go. And I'm like, I'm so.
- [91:53]
Will Compton
Excited. I'm like, gunner Stockton is the most important player in this game. And I talk about. This is a guy that's been in the Heisman conversation all season long. He can beat you with his arms, he can beat you with his legs. And you look at what Alabama did to him last time.
- [92:07]
And I stopped and I paused and I stared. I tried finding the words. Too many words were coming through my head. I couldn't get it Together. I couldn't figure it out. And I just had this long pause to probably last. It felt like an hour, but it was about four seconds. And then I just look up to the crowd, and I just go, practice, practice run, practice.
- [92:22]
Taylor Rooks
Run. And at that moment right there, dude, I was. And then Taylor crushed.
- [92:25]
Will Compton
Myself. All three guys, like, oh, after.
- [92:29]
Taylor Rooks
You went, Josh just started to, like, go into the whole thing. And Caitlyn gets over, goes, hey, Taylor hasn't done his thing yet. He's like. And then they run it back. So after you have your thing. I know, like, it's fun to, like, laugh at you or me when we have, like, a brain fart. But, like, when you have the brain fart, my brain's like, you're next.
- [92:46]
Will Compton
Buddy. And she's like, josh, you got to get back to Taylor. Break down. That was our practice run. There's no other opportunities after that. Like, we didn't go back through. Let's start from the top. None of that. So we're just kind of sitting there, sitting in it. We're gonna be straight. We're gonna be good. Fortunately, it worked out because I was. I was like, kind of sitting there. I was like, man, I'm sure people, like, is we're going to be able to hit this? Is it bright? Is it going to happen again? I'm thinking, is my brain gonna happen again? Buddy, you got this. Just own the moment. Yada, yada, yada. Fortunately, it all.
- [93:10]
Taylor Rooks
Worked. Hey, dude, you crushed it at the beginning of it. And then I think it, like, my personal feelings about it was like, it took, like, the first half of the first quarter for us all to kind of settle in. I think after every play, all three of us, you, me, and Harry were all kind of trying to find a place to say something. Like, we're like, you know, trying to take the show on as if we're doing ourselves. And then, you know, right after the first quarter, and I thought it was very smooth sailing from then on, especially in the second half. Yeah, I felt like we all kind of got into a lane where it's like, you see something happening. We kind of feel each other's body language. There's a couple times I'd tap you. I'd be like, kind of like, hey, I'm gonna. I have something to say. So Josh would finish, and I would go. Harry and I would do the same thing. It was. It was sick, dude. And even when the game kind of was out of reach and at halftime, Harry and a couple people, like professionals were like, we got to really hope that Alabama scores. Otherwise this is going to be. Is going to be tough to go through. Like, we got to that, like, last, you know, four or five minutes of the game, and to be honest, like, podcast mode kind of just hit over for us. And I felt like that was like the most comfortable we were with sitting in there. This is over. Let's have fun about.
- [94:13]
Will Compton
It. You want a great game just for the View viewers, people tuning in. We got a close game in the SEC championship, but yeah, the first quarter, I. I felt solid in the first quarter because it's just three and out. So there's big plays happening defensively. So I talked about the OLA gap. Talk about O' Brie Hubbard, C.J. allen, the linebacker, where I was. I remember when I was hyping up CJ Allen and it wasn't back there and it wasn't even C.J.
- [94:33]
Taylor Rooks
Allen. My apologies. Actually, hand.
- [94:36]
Will Compton
Up. That was not C.J. allen. That was so and so number zero. That might happen a few times this.
- [94:40]
Taylor Rooks
Broadcast.
- [94:43]
But, dude, I mean, you get on the bus after clumps, yelling at the driver again, and we're sitting there like, I'm going.
- [94:49]
Will Compton
Through. We can get into the driver stuff. We could hit all the college football stuff. We can save the driver the lure with clump for the bus.
- [94:57]
Taylor Rooks
And. But we're sitting there after the broadcast, you and you go through obviously, as all of us do after a game, and you kind of like, you hit your. Your mentions, see what's going on. And it seemed like for the most part, other than a couple of one or twos, it's like overwhelmingly positive reviews and it's just like, man, it feel. It felt good during. You had fun doing. And then the person who it's for seem receptive to it. Like, couldn't have asked for a better.
- [95:23]
Will Compton
Situation. It was fun.
- [95:24]
Taylor Rooks
Man. It really.
- [95:25]
Will Compton
Was. How'd you guys. How'd you guys enjoy. Oh, I guess we can. We can save that part too for the. I know we got a college football.
- [95:30]
Taylor Rooks
Football. We got a college football breakdown before we do. I. This isn't like new news for us, but every place we go, the strength staff and like the equipment staff.
- [95:39]
Josh Pate
Specifically always shows out so big for the.
- [95:41]
Taylor Rooks
Boys. The Georgia guys let us throw the ball around for the game. I was kind of nervous asking about a ball.
- [95:45]
Josh Pate
Too. I know. And they, you know, they're always like, nah, nah. But they were, they were very.
- [95:49]
Taylor Rooks
Gracious. They let us.
- [95:50]
Josh Pate
Throw. They were.
- [95:50]
Taylor Rooks
Cool. After the game, we'll dapping up all of.
- [95:52]
Josh Pate
Them. I. I just had an.
- [95:53]
Taylor Rooks
Idea. We can kind of linger on it, think about it. But maybe for next season, through either the spring, fall, or the whole year, I think we need to dedicate an award to the best, best staff in terms of just for the vibes. Yeah, for the equipment.
- [96:09]
Josh Pate
Staff. Maybe we can, like, get a.
- [96:10]
Taylor Rooks
T shirt made with them specifically for them, because they're listening. There's guys out there listening. And it'd be a fun thing where each school we go to, you, you meet with equipment staff and they show.
- [96:19]
Josh Pate
Out. Not saying they need to roll.
- [96:21]
Taylor Rooks
Out red carpets, but it'd be something.
- [96:22]
Josh Pate
Cool for these guys, who clearly are.
- [96:24]
Taylor Rooks
A fan base, to kind of like, have something to throw the.
- [96:26]
Will Compton
Most.
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The most underappreciated group, giving them doing something that.
- [96:32]
Taylor Rooks
Props. But, bro, truly the heart and soul of every single team. Like these guys, every single day, they're picking up dirty laundry, sweaty cleaning it off, and making sure everyone's locker is ready the next day. They're the first ones in the building when they go for a game. They're the last ones to come out. They're usually driving back. Not all of them are going on the plane with the team. And they just love it. Like Georgia. Alabama equipment staffs guarantee they will die for their team. Indiana, Ohio State and Down. And all through these conference championships, they are every moment of the day talking about what could happen and that. And they have their own little groups. They go out together, have their softball games and all that stuff. Like, it is the heart and soul of every single team and every single.
- [97:11]
Will Compton
Team. And what were.
- [97:12]
Josh Pate
We? Georgia players were iced.
- [97:14]
Taylor Rooks
Out. The equipment staff, bro. One kid. One kid during the broadcast, they scored Thursday. He dapped me up. I just got dapped up by any EQ got ball boy over here. We're feeling good about.
- [97:23]
Will Compton
It. And again, before we dive into college football, just, you guys know, on the broadcast, they showed the. The. The. The New Year's Eve 6. The New Year's Eve 6. The pick 6. Nebraska, Georgia. So after the game, when the confetti is about to come up, they're about to do the ceremony, Coach Bobo, the OC comes up to me. He goes, will, I'm Coach Bobo. I'm the.
- [97:45]
Taylor Rooks
O.C.
- [97:46]
Will Compton
With. With Georgia. He put both of his hands on my shoulders and he goes, do you remember your interception in the Capital One Bowl? And I go, brother, I was just getting to talk about it on the broadcast. Yes, I remember.
- [97:57]
Taylor Rooks
That. That interception, he breaks down that whole, yeah, dude, in this situation, number.
- [98:02]
Will Compton
Three. I said, here's your problem. It was 100% on the. The. The X crack screen for the running back. And he goes, yeah, but we got you on the counter with old girly there in the second half. I was like, yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. That's all to you. But I thought that was so sick that coach Bobo. I was like, oh, man, you were on that staff back then, dude. Just a little side note that.
- [98:19]
Taylor Rooks
At halftime, some younger kid, probably, you know, 13, 14, 15, walks up to me kind of nervous and I'm like, yo, what's up, dude? How you doing? And he's like, hey, I'm. I don't know if it's Marty or what his first name was, but he's like, I'm coach Smart, son. I was like, kirby Smart? And he's like, yes. He's like, I love your guys's show. I love watching every single week. I'm like, bro, thank.
- [98:41]
Will Compton
You. We gotta get Kirby on. If we can't get Kirby, we gotta get him.
- [98:43]
Taylor Rooks
On. We gotta get his son.
- [98:44]
Will Compton
On. Yeah, we'll get his son.
- [98:46]
Taylor Rooks
On. Honest. That's what bustling the boy should turn into. Don't get the coaches on. Get the coach's kids.
- [98:50]
Will Compton
On. Yeah, Coach Smarts kid. Yeah, Kiffin's kid.
- [98:53]
Taylor Rooks
Next. Yeah, but the. The game. The game itself, obviously, Georgia, massive blow up by.
- [98:58]
Josh Pate
Georgia.
- [98:58]
Taylor Rooks
That. I mean, that was. That was a great game. You kind of walk into that game and Georgia was favored. But you start to read into all the things about how KIRBY Smart's record versus top 10 teams is, like, amazing. And the only. Those few losses that sit there are all Alabama and he's one in seven. And can he get the. Can he get the monkey off of his back or what? You kept calling the grim reaper. Alabama being the grim.
- [99:19]
Will Compton
Reaper.
- [99:19]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. To.
- [99:20]
Will Compton
Georgia. I mean, Georgia fans were betting on Bama to win the game. Yeah, Like, I bet. Hey, who'd you take? Who'd you take on fandom? They'd be like, I took. I took Bama. Be like, oh, you're not even picking. He's like, listen, if it takes me to lose money to try to try and defeat this monster, like, then that's what I'm gonna have to.
- [99:36]
Taylor Rooks
Do. Yeah. And it was just Georgia came out the way they came out in the second half of their first game. A lot of man, they pressed them. They. They brought the fight to Alabama, and that's the way they won the game. I mean, Ty Simpson, friend of the future, friend of the show, like the kid's sitting there right before the game, dapping us both up. He's doing the. The joke about keeping it high and tie it. Like, dude, he was awesome about it. Uncharacteristically bad game for him. I mean, it was like under 50. I think he was even under, like, 45 completion percentage. Percentage at the end of it all. But Georgia just took a hold of that thing from the get go and just ran through it. I love to know, like, where your mind was during this game, because at the end of the day, like, do conference championships really matter? Like, we're really trying to win.
- [100:21]
Will Compton
A national champ ready to get into. Yeah. You know, people tuning in, they want to hear this college football breakdown. There's a lot to be.
- [100:28]
Taylor Rooks
Said. No.
- [100:29]
Greg Olson
Doubt. Obviously, an unfortunate outcome for the Tide, but to be there for a bus and trip. You guys already said it was amazing. I am officially 0 and 2 when vlogging Bama.
- [100:40]
Will Compton
Games. Oh, that's.
- [100:41]
Greg Olson
True. So we got to keep that in mind moving forward. We'll make some business decisions when that gets presented next. But it was so fun. Like, we. When we did that lap on the field before.
- [100:56]
You asked me, you were like, is this not sick for you? And I was like, yeah. I mean, this is insane. Like, yeah, whenever you get to watch your ball club like, that close, it's just. It's just an awesome experience. So appreciate that.
- [101:09]
Yeah. Dude, when that block punt happened, it was like, bro, I know how this.
- [101:14]
Will Compton
Goes. That block punch sparked the entire thing, bro.
- [101:17]
Greg Olson
83. Yeah. I mean, take the ball off the foot untouched. So that was. That was brutal. I immediately hit the group chat. I was like, that's the only seven they're getting. Didn't that. I.
- [101:27]
Will Compton
Know. Interception.
- [101:28]
Greg Olson
Right? Yeah, that was.
- [101:30]
Will Compton
Tough. Hey.
- [101:30]
Greg Olson
Sure. Stat sheet and go.
- [101:33]
Will Compton
Ahead. Can you look up number 83 while Garrett finishes this? Because I want to shout that kid out.
- [101:36]
Taylor Rooks
Bro. Yeah. Kirby Smart in his postgame press conference shouted him.
- [101:39]
Will Compton
Out. Good. He wasn't even on our. He wasn't even on our production sheet.
- [101:42]
Taylor Rooks
You.
- [101:42]
Greg Olson
You. What's crazy is the person that plays that position to pick that block up. LT Overton out. So new kid, new.
- [101:52]
Will Compton
Assignment. Yeah. Cole.
- [101:54]
Greg Olson
Spears. No excuses, kid. Got back there untouched. But, yeah, when you allow a team like Georgia, when they were. When they're peaking, to start with the ball on your side of the field every time they touch the ball, you're gonna have a long.
- [102:09]
Will Compton
Day. Yeah.
- [102:10]
Taylor Rooks
Dude. Like, watching that game, you sit there and you're like, you watch how September, October, November kind of unfolded For Georgia, where they just kind of sat in the shadows for a while while not really covering a whole lot, they're down at half more times than not, and they just progressively gather their momentum. They keep moving forward and they get better and better. It's like they might be walking into this, the scariest team in all the playoffs right now, especially what happened in the Big Ten.
- [102:33]
Greg Olson
Championship. They started the season injured and are now.
- [102:35]
Taylor Rooks
Healthy.
- [102:36]
Greg Olson
Right. And.
- [102:36]
Taylor Rooks
You. They had six guys out for that.
- [102:38]
Greg Olson
Game. What's happening for us started healthy, now it's kind of dwindling. But I mean, you said it, like, does the game matter? Like, yeah, I think it matters a lot.
- [102:51]
We didn't.
- [102:51]
Will Compton
Move. That was bizarre.
- [102:54]
Taylor Rooks
Man. I think it's, that was kind.
- [102:57]
Greg Olson
Of a, we kind of all expected that.
- [103:00]
Will Compton
Way. I'm not surprised. But that is, I think it's still.
- [103:03]
Greg Olson
Bizarre. I do think, I do think this, I think that if you win your conference championship game, you should be rewarded above a team who lost theirs. So I do think Indiana should be one, Georgia should be.
- [103:15]
Mitch Sherman
Two.
- [103:16]
Greg Olson
Yeah. And then Ohio State.
- [103:17]
Taylor Rooks
Three. I don't disagree with.
- [103:19]
Greg Olson
That. You know, you should be rewarded for winning.
- [103:22]
Taylor Rooks
Your. At that point, though, like, really, when it comes to 1, 2, 3, 4, as long as you're 1 through 4, it doesn't matter because by the time you get to the games you're going to play, they're neutral sites. And it's really about what color jersey you're.
- [103:34]
Greg Olson
Wearing. And you have three and a half weeks.
- [103:35]
Taylor Rooks
Regardless. Right? Yeah. So, like, to me, it's like one is no different than four, other than we get to wear our main colors, you know, at the end of the day. But yeah, I, I, I, I agree with, I think Georgia probably should have jumped up to two and then a half State three.
- [103:50]
I don't think we need to go through. Let's, let's, let's hit the conference championship games real quick and then we can get into this. This is a whole bag of, like, you look at. It could be very quick. Like the doomsday scenario that we wanted, that we kind of wanted for the chaos to take place, took place. Right. Like Duke goes overtime with Virginia. They end up winning that game. That's incredible. I saw an amazing coach watching.
- [104:12]
Will Compton
The kids try, the coach and the kids try to break down we're a playoff.
- [104:15]
Taylor Rooks
Team. I'm just like, I saw, I saw Sherm's post about ACC commercial, but the Bobbleheads, it's like, winner goes to playoffs. I was like, yep, should be a fun One. Yep. And it's. I'm thinking myself, I understand what they're trying to do. Like you're trying to make sure that you're. The ACC has a representative and you're going to playoff. There was never. If you're Duke and you're a fan of Duke and you're watching this show and you're like fight for Duke, buddy. There was never a chance that you guys were going to make it in the playoffs. Never. Nothing could have taken place. Yeah. But listen, if that was awesome to see because you love the chaos and we'll get in the playoff bracket in a second. It's like if you want to change, these types of things need to happen for it to.
- [104:53]
Will Compton
Change. Yeah, I wanted Duke to win. So like, you know, you knew Duke. I wanted Duke to win. So two G5s went to the college football playoffs to like punish our overall outlook on how the playoff gets set.
- [105:04]
Taylor Rooks
Up. Because you see. And once again. All right, Big Ten championship, Indiana, Ohio State. Well, I think we're all blindsided by that, that victory by Indiana. We have to. Kurt Signetti is the best coach in college.
- [105:16]
Will Compton
Football. Dude. What Signetti has done at Indiana. And look, I've said, you know, Nebraska played him last year so I was nasty about him during that week and then you know, kind of trolled.
- [105:25]
Taylor Rooks
Him. Totally.
- [105:26]
Will Compton
Fair. What Kirk Signetti has done at Indiana. They were 3 and 9 before he came to town. It's the first time ever they've had back to back double digit win seasons. The first time they've won a conference championship since 1945. Yeah, I mean his program in.
- [105:42]
Mitch Sherman
College football history, they were. But now Northwestern has passed them. But like that gotta be sick if you're.
- [105:48]
Taylor Rooks
Northwestern.
- [105:49]
Mitch Sherman
Yeah. Because of.
- [105:49]
Taylor Rooks
Signetti. Big.
- [105:50]
Will Compton
Nettie. It is incredible what Indiana has done in Kirk. Kurt.
- [105:55]
Taylor Rooks
Signetti. Dude, that smirky had walking off the.
- [105:59]
Greg Olson
Field. His post, the, his post game was mic drop worthy about being humbled. He's like, I got three and a half.
- [106:06]
Taylor Rooks
Weeks. Yeah, yeah, dude. And I saw a graphic that was talking about the different in talent that both teams had going to this game. Like this is the biggest separation of town we've ever seen. Like I think, oh, he had 67 blue chip guys, 11 five stars and the rest four stars. Indiana had 0 five stars and 7 four stars on their team. And that team with no five stars and 7 four stars beat 67 blue chip.
- [106:33]
Will Compton
Players. I mean, dude, but the way Indiana has played this year, it's not to give that team and all those kids credit it's like each category, Indiana was ranked above them statistically in a lot of these categories going into the game with the schedule Ohio State has kind of had all year. So as we were getting closer to the game, I'm like, man, I remember we were talking to the car. I'm like, I feel like nobody's really been considering Indiana beating Ohio.
- [106:58]
Taylor Rooks
State. Dude, I.
- [106:59]
Will Compton
Was. The line was at four and a half and it's like, who knows what's going to happen? Like, this defense is for real. They get to prove it against a. On offense like Ohio State. And they went out and did.
- [107:07]
Greg Olson
It. I expected more.
- [107:08]
Taylor Rooks
Points. I did too. I feel like I expected more points by Ohio State for sure. I thought I didn't know what Indiana really was. What this tells me more than anything is like, yo, Oregon, they're a bit of a beast too. And they're going to have enough time to kind of sit their way to get a little tune up with JMU so they don't have to have that little by a week. That kind of seemed like it hurt them last year. And it's like, it's hard to beat a team twice. They could see each other again. It's. Dude, it's going to be.
- [107:33]
Will Compton
Awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So Indiana wins. And by the way, Fernando Mendoza's postgame body. I threw out that tweet. Fernando Mendoza's Kirk Cousins on.
- [107:43]
Taylor Rooks
Cocaine. Yeah, like, the dude, they even look similar.
- [107:46]
Will Compton
Similar. The dude just can't miss on a mic. Anytime it pops up, me and Charles sitting there, she starts laughing because it's like her first time seeing. Seeing Fernando Mendoza speak on a mic. And I am just grinning ear to ear like, this is exactly what I wanted, dude. Him talking about super glue in.
- [108:01]
Taylor Rooks
The team and wrapping his hands around the reporter's mic to do the super glue. Just his, his movements, everything between.
- [108:08]
Greg Olson
His post game and then Duke's coach post game, who was more.
- [108:12]
Mitch Sherman
Cringe. Part of me was like, just, I loved.
- [108:15]
Taylor Rooks
Fernando. Yeah, people, people. I saw a lot of tweets, people hating on Fernando. I personally love.
- [108:20]
Mitch Sherman
It. I hate. I mean, I obviously hated it because, like, we lost. But it's like you can't. You can't knock the love for.
- [108:27]
Will Compton
The game and the passion that he has. Like, that is him. Like, that's his authenticity. Like the Duke coach, you know, he's sitting there lying through his teeth talking about we deserve to be in the.
- [108:36]
Taylor Rooks
Playoffs. Yeah. He sat there with his. With his team and he's like, I gotta say that. All right. I guess we'll go in.
- [108:40]
Will Compton
There. Let me go fight for this. Seven win regular season power forward victories. We lost to five good.
- [108:46]
Taylor Rooks
Teams.
- [108:49]
Will Compton
Dude. Fernando was real. Like you got Fernando Mendoza. That's what I loved and appreciate.
- [108:53]
Taylor Rooks
After beating the number one team in the country being.
- [108:55]
Josh Pate
Undefeated. Also Nashville pod busting with the boys. Gotta shout out Nashville guy. Charlie Becker on.
- [109:02]
Taylor Rooks
Indiana. Their.
- [109:03]
Will Compton
Receiver.
- [109:03]
Josh Pate
Yeah. He went to father Ryan. Matt Malone's claiming that they were best.
- [109:08]
Taylor Rooks
Friends. Of course he is. Of course.
- [109:12]
Josh Pate
Yeah. But that kid was going.
- [109:14]
Will Compton
Off.
- [109:15]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
- [109:15]
Mitch Sherman
Yeah. From Nashville.
- [109:17]
Taylor Rooks
Tennessee. Let's go. Dude, it's crazy. These kids watch, man. It just goes back to us walking around the sidelines. The dudes like dapping us up. Loving the.
- [109:24]
Will Compton
Show. Yeah. Simpson being all about it in the Big 12 championship. BYU got blown out. I think it was. I think we all expected four.
- [109:31]
Taylor Rooks
Points. Did that. Yeah. I mean you knew it was over when Jacob Rodriguez was on college game day and it was 250000 for him. Hit the crossbar after Diego Pavia did not a couple weeks ago. And he binks that thing. No problem. Had a swag and a walk.
- [109:44]
Will Compton
About him with a mustache in the.
- [109:46]
Taylor Rooks
Neck. The neck is shoulder crazy on the kid.
- [109:50]
Will Compton
Arms. The quads. The entire build for that linebacker. I just wanna. I just want to get my hands on.
- [109:57]
Taylor Rooks
It.
- [109:57]
Will Compton
Yeah. Jacob Rodriguez. I just get my.
- [109:59]
Taylor Rooks
Hands. If you.
- [110:00]
Will Compton
Could. Second and she's back. Buddy. I'm fired up for you in the.
- [110:02]
Taylor Rooks
League. If you could go to the combine and pretend to be like a medical physician just to put your hands on.
- [110:07]
Will Compton
Them.
- [110:08]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. Feel the quads a little.
- [110:09]
Will Compton
Bit. Walk in and got a mask.
- [110:10]
Taylor Rooks
On. Look at this kid. Dude. He's got a two head. He didn't get a four. That's how full. How much full hair he.
- [110:15]
Will Compton
Has. Yeah. Like I'm just gonna feel your quads for a second. Make sure you don't have any.
- [110:20]
Taylor Rooks
Strains. Like look at the jersey, the trap movement there. Dude. That guy's never gonna stare in his.
- [110:25]
Mitch Sherman
Life. He's got a Wilcox Compton neck.
- [110:27]
Taylor Rooks
But he's got a 2012 Vol Compton.
- [110:29]
Will Compton
Neck.
- [110:30]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. He's got. His neck is bigger than his head. This kid is unbelievable.
- [110:35]
Will Compton
Man. It's a good looking young.
- [110:36]
Taylor Rooks
Man. Good looking young man. Married boy too. Married. Yeah. Where'd he come from? Virginia. Look at that. Are you kidding.
- [110:42]
Mitch Sherman
Me? His wife is a badass too. She's a Blackhawk. Blackhawk helicopter like.
- [110:48]
Will Compton
Pilot. Of course she is. Of.
- [110:49]
Taylor Rooks
Course.
- [110:50]
Mitch Sherman
Yeah. So.
- [110:51]
Taylor Rooks
Badass. Wouldn't have had it any other way. Mitch. This kid we Gotta get him on the.
- [110:54]
Will Compton
Pod. That's what Jacob Rodriguez deserves. President.
- [110:58]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. I mean, imagine him going back when It's. When his 20 year football career is over, goes back to Texas Tech and just runs that.
- [111:06]
Will Compton
Show.
- [111:07]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. God bless. Look at.
- [111:09]
Will Compton
Him. So what were your guys's thoughts on the College Football Playoff? What were you guys thoughts on the College Football Playoff? Like the rankings and stuff. Yeah, like how it worked out. The chaos that ensued again, I was, I was fired up that Duke won because it's almost like. I don't believe we. We all. It's like the G5 teams getting in. It sucks. You want the 12 best teams, but it's almost like to punish us for this system that we have. I think with them getting in, I don't really understand why Notre Dame was so puzzled why they weren't in.
- [111:37]
Taylor Rooks
Because they don't know the rules. And if I'm a Notre Dame fan and I wasn't being educated by Josh Paid and being in this world as much as we are this year, I would have the same exact.
- [111:46]
Will Compton
View.
- [111:46]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. But they just don't know that this is how it. That this is how it.
- [111:50]
Will Compton
Goes. Because I'm watching it and everybody's complaining. I'm just like, well, no, this is. There's two G5 teams and y' all lost to Miami. Yes, Notre Dame. Notre Dame got screwed.
- [111:59]
Mitch Sherman
Bro. I saw.
- [112:00]
Will Compton
Their. Because of the G5s because. Yeah. A few different.
- [112:03]
Taylor Rooks
Angles. Miami should be in over Notre Dame. That's. It's clear. I. The only argument to that is who do you believe is a better team right now? Notre Dame or Miami? And the answer to that question is most likely for everybody going to be Notre Dame. But other than that, if you put schedule up against schedule, common opponent wins versus common opponent wins head to heads. It's like it's all in Miami's favor. And that's just the reality. The mo. They're more deserving than Notre Dame to be in the.
- [112:28]
Mitch Sherman
Game. I saw, I saw a tweet and I don't know if you retweeted or something, but like, I think after this year it's like written in the contract of the College Football.
- [112:37]
Will Compton
Playoff. Yeah. That.
- [112:38]
Mitch Sherman
Mou.
- [112:38]
Will Compton
Yeah. Where if they're ranked in the top 12 going into the regular season next year, they're an automatic.
- [112:43]
Mitch Sherman
Bid. I don't think. I thought it was at the end of day. The season. Not going into the.
- [112:46]
Greg Olson
Season. I think it's at the.
- [112:47]
Taylor Rooks
End. It's got to be at the end. Yeah. I thought they start off at 11, they lose, they go 1 and 11. They're like, we got to put them in.
- [112:55]
Mitch Sherman
Though.
- [112:55]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. G5.
- [112:57]
Mitch Sherman
Now. Yeah. This is from Ross Dellinger, a newsy wrinkle from Bavakwa. Whatever. As a part of an MOU signed last spring, Notre Dame is assured at CFB Perth if it is ranked in the top 12 starting next year. The situation unfolds. Next year, the final at large team, Miami would have gotten bumped for number 11, Notre Dame.
- [113:14]
Taylor Rooks
So. Because there would be a legitimate argument for Miami fans, like what?
- [113:18]
Mitch Sherman
What. The fact that they have a special rule because they're not in a conference is the most insane thing. And then I think it's also bitch made that they're not playing in a bowl.
- [113:26]
Will Compton
Game. Yeah, I think, I think I can. I. I can understand everybody's angle, the competitor. It's like, yeah, it kind of sucks that they're taking their ball and going home, but if you're also Notre Dame on the. The highest viewpoint, I would be livid that we got left out of the college football playoffs. I've been living as well because you look. That's why I had the tweet yesterday. It was insane to hear Hunter on behalf of the committee talk about how we watched that game yesterday with byu. That's why they never really had a shot. They were never going to be in the playoff to begin with. I completely understand it. People like Will, you don't understand that Bama was. Was already in the playoff. BYU wasn't in the playoff. I get that. To me, it's. You're talking about what you watch on the field and that's what pushed them back a ranking. What you watched on the field in the SEC championship was the same exact thing. And they all. They went full protection mode on Bama and the sec, which again, we know the powers that be, the sec, ESPN all where the money's at. You don't want to piss off your biggest, your best product. They were never going to move Bama. So in my opinion, you're either going to move both BYU and Bama back a slot, which again, Alabama is still in the playoff, BYU is still out of the playoff, or you're going to keep them both right where they're at. But the problem was they up putting Notre Dame so high and Miami so far back to begin with because they knew they had to manipulate the system to get them side by side. Give kind of the nod to Miami over Notre Dame because they beat him head to head. But that's all they were trying to do. Because the way that my man was up there breaking down each conference game like, yo, this is unreal. Hearing him talk about BYU like this and then fully protect Alabama because it's like you either just keep them where they're at or you move them back a slot. I thought that they would move Bama back a slot based on that performance. Because again, if not, it's like these conference games shouldn't mean anything if nobody's going to move and there's. There's not going to be a whole lot of movement. Just take the conference championship games out of it. But that was where I was kind of like, dude, I would be livid if I was Notre Dame. Because if Bama does the same thing, Bama is still in the playoff at 10. But now Notre Dame, you have to flip them. Notre Dame has to be nine, so they're never compared right next to Miami. At the end of the day, I do think both Miami and Notre Dame should be in over. We have two G5s and that sucks. But they're going to sit up there and say it had nothing to do with the ACC representation. To me, that's. That's complete bullshit. Like, that's why Miami's getting in. Put Notre Dame in any other position. Put Notre dame, say Michigan's 10 and 2 in Notre Dame. Spot any team in here. If your team is what Notre Dame was sitting at, they're all getting in. Notre Dame's in the acc. They're getting. They're playing in the ACC championship because they don't. They only have one conference loss compared to Miami's two. Again, everybody's been begging them to get in the conference. People are happy that they're not punished for not being in a conference. I get all of that. But Notre Dame, in any other situation, they are getting in that college football playoffs. So I would be absolutely pissed. I completely understand why they're removing themselves, their rights. They don't want to help out X, Y and Z. I get that from a high level, from a competitive level. It sucks. It's like you want to go put the ball down anywhere, any place, anytime. People say bowl games mean absolutely nothing, so there's really no upside to playing in a bowl game anyway. I get all of it. But I would be livid if I was in the Notre Dame.
- [116:32]
Taylor Rooks
Camp.
- [116:32]
Will Compton
Yeah. And again, if the majority thinks they're the better football team, you put the better football team in the college football.
- [116:39]
Taylor Rooks
Playoffs. Can't put. You can't put the better football team in over the more deserving football team in. Can't do.
- [116:44]
Will Compton
It. Yeah, I. I get it. That's why. That's why I personally want. G was the first team these deserving teams to like, okay, we want the best. I want the best teams going in the College Football.
- [116:54]
Taylor Rooks
Playoff. I don't.
- [116:55]
Will Compton
Disagree. Because right before the selection Sunday happened, they're at a minus 3,500 to get in like everything. They're favored against basically every team except like three teams. Like they had a top four shot of winning this thing. And it. I hate that we're not seeing the 12 best teams after Bama lost the way that they lost. And I get it, they earn the right to be in the SEC championship. But what we saw, the way they lost, the way they've kind of hobbled in at the end of the year, beating South Carolina by seven, surviving against Auburn, getting whooped like that in the SEC championship. To me, I was saying it on the broadcast. I put out the tweet. I'm like, put Notre Dame and Miami both in because they both seem like they're the better football team than.
- [117:35]
Taylor Rooks
Alabama. Okay. You can't disagree with the fact that Alabama kind of limped themselves in the SEC championship. If you take Alabama out of the playoffs, the SEC would lose their mind. It would be like, the SEC is the highest earner for all of college.
- [117:50]
Will Compton
Football. We know.
- [117:51]
Taylor Rooks
That. We understand that. They are not going to take out another SEC school because of it. That's not going to happen. I don't know what you. You said so many words. You talked about BYU for a second. BYU was never in the playoffs. They might have been ranked 11, but they were never in the playoffs. Because when everything sort itself out, these G5 teams had to be in. So unless you're in that 10 slot, you're actually not in. Like 11 and 12 are kind of placeholders for the ACC Championship taking place or these what ended up being the two G5s. So if you're BYU, you had. It was very black and white. You win, you're going to be in the playoffs. You lose, you are out of the playoffs. It'd been very interesting to see BYU win that game, to see what happens with Alabama, Notre Dame and Miami. But if you're Alabama, it's like you've earned a luxury to play in this game that Ole Miss that didn't have. And who was the in Oklahoma and A M and A M. So three teams like, weren't good enough to get in this game. And you're going to take out a team that was good enough to get in this game. That makes zero.
- [118:50]
Will Compton
Sense. All I'm saying is I, to.
- [118:52]
Taylor Rooks
Me this is a week 13, but it's like it's exhibition. Like whoever wins, they get to hold up a trophy. They get the banner, they can get the confetti. The other team, hopefully we're not injured because the real, the real journey is about to begin and a couple of weeks we go for the, for the playoffs. People that are mad that Alabama is still in it, it's just buddy, two things. Money. And you're never going to punish a team for being the second best in your conference.
- [119:14]
Will Compton
Again. I'm not, I'm not like into.
- [119:16]
Greg Olson
That game as the number one seed in the.
- [119:17]
Taylor Rooks
Sec. Yeah.
- [119:18]
Will Compton
Right. We all knew that that wasn't like Alabama wasn't going to be out of it. I'm saying if you're looking at just what happened and everything else, it's like yo, just put Notre Dame, Miami. I get that that was never going to be the case. They were going to keep Miami in and I know BYU is not going to be in the playoffs, but in those situations those rankings still matter. And all in the system essentially just had to figure out a way to manipulate to where this Notre Dame Miami conversation had to take place. They're saying, hey, they had to head to headwind. It's like you needed an ACC team in and also like you're up there talking about how BYU, the way they perform. That's why their, their ranking drops back. To me it's like I know BYU is never going to be in it. I'm not arguing they should have been in it even with of a couple close loss. But them, them holding true to that 11 ranking. When Alabama didn't move down either. To me that's where I was like, guys just say you messed up, you messed up and you had to figure out the system to get Notre Dame Miami. We messed up by making Notre Dame so much higher. In the very beginning when we opened it up, we up by disrespecting Miami's ranking. At the very end. We never talked about their head to head. The world exploded over it. And at the, at the 11th hour, you had to just figure out a way to manipulate it a little bit to get him head to head. I would rather just hear him say hey, we messed up from the get go versus being like BYU the way they lost. That's kind of why their ranking goes back one or they were never going to be in playoff. I know they were never going to be every time they have to. But then fully protecting. Yeah, fully protecting Bama versus being like. Again, if you're doing the same thing to byu, moving them back one. Bama still in with going down. Bama still in with going down to 10. You would just. It would make that argument that much harder for Notre Dame. To me, that's why it's.
- [120:53]
Greg Olson
All. I was shocked they didn't move Alabama down one spot to keep Notre Dame in. It helps your case. If you're the committee say, okay, they're still in, but we did punish them by moving them down. You did reward Notre Dame. But where they messed up is what you're saying. Like three weeks ago when they did the bracket is where they started this.
- [121:12]
Will Compton
Chaos. Yes, yes, agreed.
- [121:15]
Taylor Rooks
100. This, this issue came week three of college football when you had Notre Dame still in the ap, which I know AP and College Football Playoff bracket are two total different things. Notre Dame loses two games in a row. I understand those were two highly ranked teams, but they're the first team. And I don't know how long we can obviously look it up that Notre Dame stayed in the top 25, knowing good and well that this brand, this logo in South Bend, Indiana, what they've been able to do for college football, we need to get in the playoffs. Hopefully. These other two teams, they lost, you stumble, fall and get one more loss in Notre Dame desk. We know that they're probably going to win the next 10 games in a row. That is where they messed up. Is the. The game of assumption. Now, the BYU thing, I don't know why this guy's sitting up at a press conference going, well, because of BYU lost by this much. The. The easiest answer is they, hey, they were never in it. Like, based on the rules and how this whole thing is structured, even though these two teams, this Tulane and GMU that you now see up here, they're. They're in. They were always in. These 11 and 12 guys in 13, 14. They were all placeholders for what happened in the ACC championship. That's it. The only way BYU makes it in is if they win the. The Big 12. Then Miami's also out. Miami would never in. And then. And then because the college football. The College Football Playoff is built to have the SEC winner, the Big Ten winner, Big 12 winner and the ACC winner. That is how it's built. But because the ACC has the most insane schedule with a billion teams in it and none of the good teams actually played each other and they fucked around the Whole entire year now the committee found themselves in a spot they never thought they would be in. And so this is what's great. A lot of people can be pissed about this. If you're Notre Dame, feel free to be mad. If you're Texas, feel free to be mad. The people I feel most bad for is Vanderbilt said it. I'm the only one saying it. However, it sucks for you guys that you're not in this playoff going down the road. Now the only way for real change to take place is when catastrophic things happen. This would qualify as a catastrophic thing happening so that the next year the college football bracket is more hey, the best 12 teams. Now the answer to that question to me even though I would love to see it, the answer is not to make it 16. That is not your answer because you're going to run in the same problem with 16 through 18. And then there's going to be the JMU's and the two lanes who are good football teams but they're not competitive from winning a national championship. I think the easiest and clearest.
- [123:31]
Will Compton
Way and this a shout out to Caleb Ingram. Tier talk. He did want us to break down how we would fix the coach college.
- [123:36]
Taylor Rooks
Football. Okay so the okay, well here we go. Caleb Ingram to me and this was not my opinion. This is opinion that was given to me that I'm not saying but like that sounds really a well way to do it is Josh Pate goes why not make it. You have to be ranked in the top 15 to be in the college football Playoff. You have to be a top 15 team to even be into it. Now you don't get into this JMU two Lane World, Miami, Notre Dame like now you're kind of sniffing out these are the best teams because I I believe and somebody's correct me if I'm wrong you can't leave out a G5 team in the colossal playoff. Am I correct in that you're not allowed. It's literally automatically legislation has to be changed so something has to happen from a government standpoint that's way above me to get that finished. So and then. Oh this is a good one too. There's another tier Talk by D Mode 61. Go ahead.
- [124:28]
Will Compton
Will. I was going to say to add to that too in my opinion you do away with championship weekend because I I know big time money but I loved listening to Kirby Smart break down his even argument for he knows he won but he also did some. He also did some work for the sec. So for Bama in this situation he's like, you guys, they're. SEC is going to have to play nine conference games. He's like, you guys just witnessed a ninth game in the sec. Everybody's going to be going through the nine conference games and the SEC is deeper than everybody else. And he's like, then you're just going to get. If you do a championship game, you're going to get a 10th SEC game. Yeah. And if nobody, like, if nobody's going to. If these games don't mean anything, like if Bama gets worked like that and nothing happens ranking wise. Nothing really happens ranking wise for, you know, Big 12 everywhere else. It's like, why not just throw away conference championship weekend, get the playoffs started earlier, get it done by New.
- [125:21]
Mitch Sherman
Year's. I think. Yeah, I think. Yeah, exactly. Make conference championship play in weekend. You have the spots 10, 11 and 12 open and then you have six teams. Those three, those three winners are now your 10, 11th and.
- [125:34]
Taylor Rooks
12. Dog. I would absolutely love.
- [125:37]
Mitch Sherman
That. Like.
- [125:37]
Taylor Rooks
That. Love.
- [125:38]
Mitch Sherman
It. That is. I feel like.
- [125:39]
Will Compton
That. And that right there is money.
- [125:41]
Taylor Rooks
Everywhere. That. That's money everywhere. However, that's your. But now you're splitting money, right, because you have ACC playing big, Big Ten, who's playing Big 12 plays a seat. Now all these conferences are getting a bite at the apple as of a piece. Pose their own apple alone. Like the SEC championship, Big Ten championship. I listen, if we're talking about purity of the game, I love everything we all just said, but we all know the powers that be, it's all about that dinero that ends up happening. That's why bowl games are still happening. I'm gonna. I'll touch on this real quick because I know we've already moved past the subject. I have zero issue with Notre Dame taking their ball and going home. 0. I think bowl games are done. I told G last year when Alabama played Michigan, I was like, bro, this game doesn't matter. Like, we won. That was great. But like half your team sat out and a bunch and less of our guys sat out than your guys and the weather happened to work out for us. I don't care. The most important thing for bowl games for me are those 15 practices. Because you get your descent your kids that early, enroll, you get to get them into an extra 15 day practices. And now you're looking towards the next year. Yes. I feel bad for the marching bam and the baton girls and the cheerleaders. Everybody who's like, oh, yeah. Seniors who are like, oh, that's my last year. That was my last game. And I didn't even know it. My heart does go out to.
- [126:50]
Mitch Sherman
Them. That's exactly what I.
- [126:51]
Taylor Rooks
Was. But from a competitive standpoint, there's zero. Like the days of like Vanderbilt. The way they took the anytime, any place, anywhere. Like that whole thought process that is now that is caveman thought process. We're in the world of how do we get into the College World Playoff if we're not in the College World Playoff? How do we make our team better through the transfer portal and recruiting process to get to the College World Playoff. None of these coaches give a shit. They probably do give a shit. But no one who is an actual competitive team like a Notre Dame sitting outside or like a Texas that are like in that we should have been in the playoffs. We have a argument in our mind that we truly believe we should be in the playoffs. No one they don't give a shit about the bowl game. They want to look to next.
- [127:34]
Will Compton
Year to get into your Sark talk about the bowl.
- [127:36]
Taylor Rooks
Game. What do you.
- [127:37]
Will Compton
Say? He was all he's gratitude. He's all about they can't wait to go out there and compete against a team like.
- [127:41]
Taylor Rooks
Michigan. I love it. That's great. That's. That's perfectly said to the. To the.
- [127:44]
Will Compton
Public. You should absolutely said it Clark Lee about it.
- [127:47]
Taylor Rooks
Too. I love that. That's all. That's what. That's what Vanderbilt should absolutely say. I'm saying the shit doesn't matter anymore. And we all know it doesn't matter anymore. You had so many teams drop out of bowl games that nine five and seven teams were offered bowl games and nine said no until Appalachian State said yes. That's crazy. Crazy. The world's changing. College football is changing. Now we can let. We can let the snowball effect continue to take place where it just gets bigger and bigger and worse and worse to where the actual product itself itself goes downhill. Or we can fix it. ESPN this weekend last week on Get Up Josh Pate the way he was talking about the biggest problem is the schedule. That's how you fix most of this. You can still play your bowl games and have all that. Have fun kids that are outside the playoffs. But like playing games would have happened this past weekend. The first round is coming up this.
- [128:39]
Will Compton
Saturday. I love the play.
- [128:40]
Taylor Rooks
In. I love December football, dude. I love December all college football. Jan1 we're finding out who our national champion.
- [128:47]
Greg Olson
Is. Bowl games are. They don't mean anything. You take those like Mitch is saying those teams that are on that bubble this play in weekend are now sponsored by those Bulls. So like your Sugar bowl, whatever.
- [129:00]
Taylor Rooks
Those. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [129:01]
Greg Olson
Rose. So you still get that dinero that you're talking.
- [129:04]
Taylor Rooks
About?
- [129:04]
Greg Olson
Yep. Have a chance for the play in. You try and make everyone happy by getting competition on the field to fight for a chance at the playoff. Also you have all those major companies that sponsor both the big bowl games. Make their dinero. I just don't know why we're not moving towards that. Maybe they will and the viewers agree. Going to more teams. You're going to run into an issue where okay, so now you want the 24th best team right in. Well that's happening right now with.
- [129:33]
Taylor Rooks
Jmu.
- [129:34]
Mitch Sherman
Yeah. The viewership I think on these two will be. You can make money massive and you'd see.
- [129:39]
Taylor Rooks
People. Could you imagine teams playing for their like. I mean college football is exactly what this is. But you're playing for your win and get in like.
- [129:48]
Will Compton
Yeah. Any college never.
- [129:49]
Mitch Sherman
Die. Any college football fan would love to watch those games rather than like the random ass bowl that nobody gives a. Gives a.
- [129:57]
Taylor Rooks
About. Imagine watching Miami versus.
- [129:59]
Mitch Sherman
Texas. Like imagine watching Vandy versus byu, Vanny versus.
- [130:03]
Taylor Rooks
Rematch. But I'm thinking about the, you know, different conference. Yeah. Like the thought of like other teams playing each other. Neutral site. That's a neutral site. Right. Then the next. I think the next two weeks after that need to be whoever the higher seat is. That to me fires me up. Have your national championship in a neutral site location. That is always and forever will be fair to.
- [130:22]
Will Compton
Me.
- [130:24]
Yeah. Either.
- [130:24]
Taylor Rooks
Way. I mean does anybody see any holes in that no comment section? You need to speak up. Just kind of spit it.
- [130:31]
Will Compton
There. We're. We're in a spot. We will never forget this year of the bracket, the College Football Playoff. I think it's going to create an urgency to. To fix some things going on.
- [130:43]
Yeah, dude.
- [130:43]
Taylor Rooks
Chaos.
- [130:44]
Will Compton
Chaos. He got Clark Lee here. It's no one, no one's fault except our own. We had our opportunities and we didn't do enough. We are not victims in this process. Our ownership is in coming up.
- [130:52]
Taylor Rooks
Short. Listen, Clark Lee, like that quote right there. That's exactly what you want in that building. I don't have. I mean he. You don't give a. About bowl games like we're going to. You guys are going to go play it guys will sit out or not sit out.
- [131:07]
Will Compton
But. And we had.
- [131:08]
Taylor Rooks
It. Even the product of the product of bowl games are crazy too because all the players, all the players that are going to go to the draft the play the thing that you buy a ticket, you're like, I can't wait to watch this player play. Well, that player that's playing, he's not there. He's going to be in the portal or he's going to be going to the.
- [131:22]
Greg Olson
Draft. I think the coolest part about the Clark Lee statement is it came after Notre Dame took their ball and went.
- [131:28]
Will Compton
Home. I'm telling you, this is a massive war going on with conferences and Notre Dame's.
- [131:33]
Taylor Rooks
Independence. Yeah, but yeah, I agree with.
- [131:36]
Will Compton
That because if you, if you take, if we're, if, say we're in the scope right now and we're talking about Clark Lee's quote coming out after Notre Dame, let's make this about Clark Lee, him being in a conference in Notre Dame because Notre Dame is continuing to fight for their independence. Because every person who's mad. Bring up the tear talk. Sherm, we have a tear talk here from, From D D MO IT 61. Notre Dame can join a conference or shut the fuck up. Hashtag tear talk. Again. Anybody who can be in Notre Dame's position to have their independence, they would want that. And what everybody that's part of conference is doing is being like, this is how you get punished when you're not being in a conference. Because take Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt had Notre Dame's record, schedule, everything. And they're part of, I know they're, you know, they played a bunch of ACC teams or whatever else, but if, if Andy had that resume, Vanderbilt would be going in because they wouldn't have lost Obama, they wouldn't have lost to Texas. Like they'd be out there. We lost one point to Texas A and M. We lost to a tough Miami team. They would be in like, in that situation, if it's not Notre Dame, it's somebody in a conference. Those teams are getting, that team would get in the way. Notre Dame finish on a 10 win winning shot.
- [132:38]
Greg Olson
Streak. Notre Dame ideally has the right.
- [132:40]
Will Compton
Situation.
- [132:41]
Greg Olson
Right. But they, like you're saying, are getting punished for it.
- [132:43]
Taylor Rooks
Now.
- [132:44]
Will Compton
Right? It's like they're, they're on the wrong side of it. Getting, getting pushed out of it. Being like, hey man, you're not part of a conference there. And Notre Dame should, if they want to keep their independence, they're trying to do the right thing strategically to continue to hold their conference and not bend the knee on joining.
- [132:58]
Taylor Rooks
One.
- [132:58]
Will Compton
Yeah. By. All right, listen, you're taking us out of the playoffs. We all know it was absolute and we're going to, you know, we're going to sit out of Our bowl game, we're going to know that we had this. This part of a contract signed that gets. If we're part of the top 12, we're going to get an automatic.
- [133:12]
Taylor Rooks
Bid.
- [133:13]
Will Compton
That's. We have a very easy schedule next season. Because they do. They're going to sit there and talk shit. We're going to kill everybody that's in our way. Like, yeah, you got an easier schedule. They have it set up. I understand people hating Notre Dame. I understand the argument for Notre Dame. It's. There is a bigger war going on with all this conference.
- [133:27]
Greg Olson
Talk. What.
- [133:28]
Taylor Rooks
Happens? Bigger war. Looks like you found out what the war was.
- [133:30]
Will Compton
Was. Yeah, maybe we're breaking it down a little bit. I'll keep diving into my Reddit to my Reddit language later on.
- [133:36]
Greg Olson
Today. Next year, now that using Texas, Ohio State, for example, that first game of the year, no one's going to schedule that.
- [133:43]
Taylor Rooks
Anymore. Well, you saw Stark actually talked about that. He said, we're going to honor our games with Ohio State and Michigan because, I mean, they went up north and played both those. Like, yeah, bring your asses down here to Austin, Texas now. Right. He's going to honor those two. After that, there's no promises, which is a bad thing for football. It's a bad thing for football, but it's. It's an understandable strategic.
- [134:03]
Will Compton
Move.
- [134:03]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. And it seemed like Nebraska was a little ahead of themselves also, because we sat here, what, June, July, when Nebraska's like, we're not playing Tennessee in the regular season. Like, why would you. Why would you make it harder on yourself if you have a logo and a conference that'll be like, we're going to get.
- [134:17]
Greg Olson
In. So when that happens in Notre dame is the 12th team. Like, they're. What if they're not the 12th team? Because now Ohio State's playing ECU instead of Texas, and so.
- [134:29]
Taylor Rooks
The. Or Texas is playing a smaller.
- [134:32]
Greg Olson
Team. Exactly. The stronger teams in a conference aren't going to have that chance to drop one extra one. So Notre Dame, you can play Samford. Like, you're going to play all these teams. So Notre Dame help you against. It's not going to. And.
- [134:48]
Will Compton
Niu. Yeah, yeah. Northern Illinois, your resume is not.
- [134:51]
Greg Olson
Going to help you get in that 12th.
- [134:52]
Will Compton
Spot. True. Now, where Notre Dame sitting at now? Like in the AP, they're in the top 10 college rankings are in the. What were they? Who knows? Either way, the first one out, whatever. By opting out of a bowl game they have. They're not risking anything on having a Bad performance. So that way they'll go into the rankings next year, preseason with a loaded roster. One of the best recruiting classes year in and year out. They're going to be their position with an easier schedule. They take care of that schedule. I mean, they're. They're clearly going to be.
- [135:17]
Taylor Rooks
In. Here's what Notre.
- [135:18]
Will Compton
Dame. Clearly, they will. If their position in, like the top 12 coming out of the gate in. In season, and then they win all of their games like they're not.
- [135:25]
Greg Olson
Gonna. So you would put. You would put a Notre Dame, say they had one loss next year, one loss, Notre Dame's schedule in. Or rank them higher than an sec, Big Ten team with two.
- [135:40]
Will Compton
Losses? I. I have no.
- [135:41]
Taylor Rooks
Clue. It depends where. It depends where they start in the AP poll. It depends who they lost to. Here's. Here's what Notre Dame's gonna.
- [135:49]
Will Compton
Do. Not Google me in a Notre Dame hoodie.
- [135:51]
Taylor Rooks
Right? Because if Notre Dame opts out and they have the big recruiting class, they have a bunch of guys coming back, obviously, Jeremiah Love, he's probably gonna know the NFL. If they're going to be ranked in the top 10 and their schedule is very easy next year, then, yeah, it's in their hands. What is going to be an issue is if Notre Dame ever plays a difficult schedule and they have themselves sitting in that 1312 area, and if this war is still going on the way we think the war is going on, then you bet your ass the committee's gonna have them at.
- [136:15]
Will Compton
13. People are saying for Notre Dame to get back at whatever again, whatever war they were fighting right now, they would try and hurt the ACC by scheduling games some with the Big Ten because of their rights and everything else. I have no clue. But people are talking about all the strategy Notre Dame is looking at doing currently since they've been pushed out.
- [136:34]
Taylor Rooks
Of the playoff, their schedule next year is horrendous. By the way, the two best.
- [136:37]
Will Compton
Teams they are playing are Miami and.
- [136:41]
Taylor Rooks
Usc. You could argue for smu. I feel like the question people aren't asking is, since when do Catholics pull out?
- [136:55]
Hey, I got so blindsided by.
- [136:57]
Will Compton
That. I know. I thought he was gonna have some serious. I was like, oh, man. A different.
- [137:00]
Taylor Rooks
Perspective. Damn, I can't wait to hear what this.
- [137:02]
Will Compton
Is. And yeah, listen to everybody.
- [137:05]
Taylor Rooks
Too. Talk about, like, in Catholicism, we can't use contraceptives. What are we doing.
- [137:08]
Will Compton
Here? Yeah, that is. That's funny, Jack.
- [137:13]
Another thing two people are talking about was how the Tuesday show of dropping the rankings every week kind of like, you know, Looking back on it, it's like, hey, you should have just done away with the, the Tuesday ranking show. Because had we known nothing and selection Sunday happened yesterday, I don't think anybody would have been surprised that Miami would have clipped Notre.
- [137:31]
Taylor Rooks
Dame. That will not happen because of money. It's just, bro, true. If you're gonna have us every Tuesday, like for the last three, four weeks, has everybody just not like, waited for.
- [137:40]
Will Compton
Tuesday? Every minute of.
- [137:42]
Taylor Rooks
It? Spoiler, I did not watch one. But I'm sure a lot of people out there are like, oh man, I gotta see. I'm just waiting for the little graph to come out. Like, oh, you know, yeah, yeah. Well, then it brings out the whole tinfoil hat discussion of this playoff.
- [137:56]
Will Compton
Essentially being owned by.
- [137:57]
Taylor Rooks
ESPN. ESPN's Hands on the conferences. A lot of people are saying.
- [138:03]
Will Compton
If Virginia had beat Duke, Virginia's in, Notre Dame is in as well. 1000% if Virginia.
- [138:10]
Taylor Rooks
Wins.
- [138:12]
Because they need an ACC, because.
- [138:13]
Will Compton
ACC would have, I mean, hell would have broken.
- [138:16]
Taylor Rooks
Loose. So they're like, what is.
- [138:18]
Will Compton
The. Less of all the evils. Piss off Alabama, piss off Notre.
- [138:21]
Taylor Rooks
Dame or piss off the acc? Let's piss off the independent conference.
- [138:26]
Will Compton
Or the independent team that we have been trying to bully into joining a.
- [138:30]
Taylor Rooks
Conference. And not just espn. Fox as.
- [138:32]
Will Compton
Well. A lot of these conferences are wanting Notre Dame to join their conference. It's. And what network is the ACC partnered.
- [138:39]
Taylor Rooks
With? Espn.
- [138:44]
It's just after we did the old cast. You gonna talk like.
- [138:46]
Will Compton
This? I'm just saying, man, I gotta.
- [138:47]
Taylor Rooks
Be. But that's what people are arguing is that this. Excuse me, Bob Iger. I want to apologize to my friend Will Compton and the things that that he have said. We love the cfp. His opinions are not mine. But yeah, that's crazy. But it is, it is crazy. And a lot of people are saying that ownership, it either needs to.
- [139:03]
Will Compton
Be by multiple entities so that there's.
- [139:07]
Taylor Rooks
Not this kind of behind the curtain conversation that the public is then never privy.
- [139:12]
Will Compton
To. And they won't ever come out and say, hey, BYU was never going to make it. They'll never have an explanation of why and say the have an ACC representative was never part of the conversation. Oh, it's like, come on, man, it's.
- [139:25]
Greg Olson
Crazy. They chose to piss off Notre Dame instead of like a JMU or two.
- [139:30]
Will Compton
Lane. But I.
- [139:32]
Taylor Rooks
Can'T. No, you know, legally you have to have them.
- [139:33]
Greg Olson
In. But like if you're gonna, Now's the time to.
- [139:37]
Taylor Rooks
Rewrite.
- [139:38]
Will Compton
Right? But I'm saying if they were to do that, like that is actually. It's.
- [139:41]
Taylor Rooks
Illegal. Yeah, that's what I kept saying in Josh. Yeah, Josh Pay kept telling me that. Taylor, this is actually illegal. The.
- [139:47]
Mitch Sherman
Rule. The rule is the five highest ranked conference champs and that's where those two fall in is because of them. And like that's the rule. That's legal. But it's also like in legal writing that at least one G. G5 has to.
- [140:00]
Will Compton
Come. I think committee is absolutely. Everybody is like, yeah, it's kind of sucks that we have two G5s in this college.
- [140:06]
Taylor Rooks
Football. It does. But when they get mopped and I hope they do no disrespect to the G5s, I hope. Hope they get fucking mopped so we can all just sit there and be like, Kayla, time to change legislation. Because here's what the G5s and I know, I guess I've cut a lot of heat from the Jurassic park thing. And it's like the opinion doesn't change. Like the truth. The truth doesn't care about your feelings and situation. Like your schools aren't built to compete with the top 12 teams in college football. They aren't in the world we live in now. You're a stepping stone school to get to the next place G Fives are holding on to. Boise State versus Oklahoma. Fiesta. Fiesta. But that's what they're holding on to. And IF. If a G5 is undefeated and they're mopping all the teams in their conference, hell yeah, put them in. This seems like a team that can actually make a little bit of a dent. Let's see what happens then. Put them in. Absolutely. But to.
- [140:54]
Mitch Sherman
Have. Last year was a.
- [140:55]
Taylor Rooks
Good.
- [140:55]
Mitch Sherman
Huh? Boise State last year was.
- [140:57]
Taylor Rooks
Good. What happened to.
- [140:58]
Mitch Sherman
Them? I mean, they didn't get blown out by Penn State, but they obviously.
- [141:02]
Taylor Rooks
Lost. They was never in.
- [141:03]
Will Compton
Question. But they earned their way up there and they were ranked a certain way to.
- [141:07]
Mitch Sherman
Where. Yeah.
- [141:07]
Will Compton
They. They're only met matrix of like being in the college football.
- [141:10]
Mitch Sherman
Player. Boise State's only lost last year was like by three points to Oregon. And yeah, they had the best player in college football with Ash and Genti. So like, I feel like last year Boise State was warranted to be in it this year. Julian and.
- [141:23]
Will Compton
Jay. Yeah, like, yeah, G5 is like undefeated or whatever. They're in the top 15. They've like earned their way into the College Football Playoff. But doing it this year just feels like it's like, okay, let's put a. The champion of the CFL now gets to be the last seed in.
- [141:36]
Taylor Rooks
The.
- [141:36]
Will Compton
The. The NFL playoffs. They get an automatic bid to the. To the NFL.
- [141:41]
Taylor Rooks
Playoffs. It.
- [141:42]
Josh Pate
Would. It would be fun for that.
- [141:45]
Will Compton
Argument. Exactly. Too of the playing.
- [141:47]
Taylor Rooks
Games. That is a perfect excuse for.
- [141:50]
Will Compton
The playing games with those G5 teams. And you have some like fun.
- [141:54]
Taylor Rooks
Storylines to follow and underdog.
- [141:56]
Will Compton
Story. If you. If you guys are who you say you are and you love chaos, you'd be rooting for the G5 teams to win in the playoff. No, because ultimately I want the 12 best teams in the college football playoff. You don't want.
- [142:09]
Taylor Rooks
Chaos. No, we want chaos in the sense that we're sitting here right now after the chaos we've wanted to unfold. The reality is, is like these G5s, we. The chaos we want. Well, I'll speak for me, the chaos that I want is for what exactly what happens so that change is made. Because at the end of the day, I would love like the way we just put together this playing thing. We get that we get on national championships on January 1st. Like that's college football season. Then the portal opens. Jan two. Like which doesn't it already. So the transfer.
- [142:39]
Will Compton
Portal. Yeah, we'll start entering today basically. But.
- [142:41]
Taylor Rooks
It'S. I think it's next week, buddy. I cannot wait to see how this transfer portal takes.
- [142:46]
Will Compton
Place. As I think about it though, J.P. you might be onto something. That's what I'm saying. Like for any G5, you know, JMU2. Lane, you're out there watching this right now. Willie C. Is kind of up. I'm here to get recruited, make that.
- [142:57]
Taylor Rooks
Run. I'm.
- [142:58]
Will Compton
Not. If Tulane starts winning like, they.
- [143:01]
Josh Pate
Be Ole Miss, which could.
- [143:02]
Will Compton
Happen. You know, Lane's gone and they make a little run. You guys would hate that.
- [143:06]
Taylor Rooks
Or. No, no, no.
- [143:07]
Will Compton
No. Lane wins their first game. I will be in two lane gear the next.
- [143:10]
Taylor Rooks
Week. Hey, hey. Same thing. Same exact. Like, listen, I don't think they have any business being in the playoff if either of these teams win. I am 100% wrong. Take all my opinions, throw in the trash, and I will also be in whatever gear wins. So keep the playoff the same way.
- [143:27]
Josh Pate
Then. If one of them wins, is what you're.
- [143:28]
Taylor Rooks
Saying. No, we'll have that conversation.
- [143:30]
Will Compton
Later.
- [143:32]
The only other thing that bothers me with like all of the rulemaking of college football. I hate when we. That we have to sit here and say, oh no. Like it's. It's written into law. Like we have to take it to court. I'm like, why, man? This is college football, right? What are we doing one even spending tax money on like having this be something that we're, that we're paying.
- [143:54]
Taylor Rooks
For.
- [143:55]
Will Compton
2. It's just like the, the greatness of college football is in. It's the, it's the power of the people, dude. It's taking, they're taking the power from the.
- [144:01]
Taylor Rooks
People. There's so many things that are backwards. You're like, why is the committee full of 80s.
- [144:05]
Will Compton
Right? Like, it's.
- [144:06]
Taylor Rooks
Like. But you have a bunch of ads who I'm assuming some of them are probably working through coaching.
- [144:11]
Will Compton
Changes. There's one portal good ad who's on the committee. There's one very good one.
- [144:20]
Dude.
- [144:20]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah. Like you're gonna tell me you're the AD of a school your coach has left and you have to hire a new coach. And then like, hey, do you mind him taking 5, 10 minutes to put all of your energy into the college football playoffs? That's crazy, dude. That's crazy. You want 12 individuals and Josh Payton the room or 11 individuals and Josh.
- [144:37]
Will Compton
Payton. I wouldn't mind if they kept Troy Dannon AD from Nebraska. He's on the.
- [144:41]
Taylor Rooks
Committee. I think nothing. But you need to have people that understand ball. You need to have number people and people that understand football. You need to put them into a room. Then their sole focus is what is the best thing for college football. Who are the most deserving and who are the best teams to be the top 12.
- [144:54]
Mitch Sherman
Teams. You can't be having these people that are 80 years old watching football as if they know what the is going.
- [145:00]
Will Compton
On. They could. Let's not just take shots at all 80 year olds out there, bro. Like there's some dudes who are sickos. You didn't meet Josh Pate's.
- [145:07]
Taylor Rooks
Dad.
- [145:07]
Will Compton
Yeah. You didn't meet Josh P's.
- [145:10]
Taylor Rooks
Dad. Like I met.
- [145:11]
Mitch Sherman
Him. People Josh paid is the way Josh paid is because of Josh P's dad. Like I'm sure he's a.
- [145:17]
Will Compton
Legend.
- [145:18]
Taylor Rooks
Yeah.
- [145:19]
Mitch Sherman
So. But I'm saying these.
- [145:21]
Will Compton
People. Yeah, yeah. So 80 year old. Like there could be some cats out there still understand what they're talking.
- [145:26]
Mitch Sherman
About.
- [145:27]
Will Compton
Some. I would love to be in the room. I'd love to be in the room with the.
- [145:30]
Taylor Rooks
Community. Would love to sit there and have these types of conversations. Like the conversation we're having right now is how I would hope the committee is having these types of conversations. Right? No, it's not. They're looking at a computer screen. They go, makes sense. But our interests are X, Y and Z. Let's move these two. Couple of.
- [145:47]
Mitch Sherman
Things. How much money is that team going to bring in? All.
- [145:48]
Taylor Rooks
Right. Yes. And then you get a couple of sickos like us to go sit in the room, be like, hey, listen, this is what the world wants. This is what the world.
- [145:56]
Will Compton
Needs. It should take two or three days to like, change a rule in college.
- [146:00]
Taylor Rooks
Football.
- [146:01]
Will Compton
Yeah. What's the worst thing that happens? You mess up. Dang, we missed on a football game this year. Here, let's fix it. Yeah, that's what I don't get. Like, hey, implement Doge. Like, Duke wins, and then immediately we'll just say group chat. The group chat of the committee gets hit up. We got to get a rule in over the next 24.
- [146:20]
Mitch Sherman
Hours. I don't even know how a group chat.
- [146:22]
Will Compton
Works. What's.
- [146:23]
Taylor Rooks
That? He's in there so old. They don't know how the group chat.
- [146:26]
Will Compton
Works. Oh, they don't.
- [146:27]
Taylor Rooks
Know.
- [146:29]
I mean, Mitch hates old people. That's figured out on this.
- [146:32]
Mitch Sherman
Show. True Love, my.
- [146:33]
Will Compton
Grandparents. The average age college football committee playoff committee is.
- [146:38]
Taylor Rooks
61. I don't think that's.
- [146:40]
Will Compton
Bad. Again, I. I don't have. I'm not. I'm not disrespecting my elders whatsoever. Mitch, if you want to disrespect your elders, go on.
- [146:46]
Mitch Sherman
Ahead. I'm not disrespecting my.
- [146:47]
Taylor Rooks
Elders. You've. You've already have. We've already crossed the.
- [146:51]
Will Compton
Line. These guys are like 80 in.
- [146:52]
Taylor Rooks
There. Whoa. Jesus. Yeah.
- [146:55]
Should we hit a couple tear talks? Do we feel good? Is there any other things we want to talk about as far as college football goes? Oh, clump. Go ahead with it. Hey, first off, don't ever raise your hand like that again, man. Like you wanted something to say that you put that. He goes like this. He goes. He hit the shoulder on me. It's like, buddy, put it up.
- [147:14]
Will Compton
There. Heisman Trophy. Do we want to talk about that at.
- [147:17]
Taylor Rooks
All? It. It should absolutely be Diego.
- [147:19]
Greg Olson
Paul. Thank.
- [147:20]
Will Compton
You. I'm very gonna be. Hey. Odds really shifting toward Fernando Mendoza, no.
- [147:24]
Taylor Rooks
Doubt. Fernando.
- [147:25]
Will Compton
Mendoza. I'm with you. To me, it's the Eagle. Possibly you, but it's going to be hard if you're a massive Mendoza fan and you saw that post game interview. Look at.
- [147:32]
Taylor Rooks
Mendoza. Interviews. Interviews shouldn't win you a.
- [147:34]
Will Compton
Trophy. Mendoza's stats are just disrespectful to the Heisman.
- [147:38]
Josh Pate
Trophy. I think Mendoza is a great.
- [147:39]
Taylor Rooks
Player.
- [147:40]
Will Compton
Interview. I agree. I'm not disrespecting him in any way, but he is on a elite football team. An elite coached football team. There are top five in rushing top five.
- [147:49]
Taylor Rooks
Defense. He hasn't even thrown for 3,000 yards. He's gonna win the Heisman.
- [147:53]
Josh Pate
Trophy. That is a disgrace to the heism.
- [147:55]
Will Compton
Trophy. It should absolutely be Diego.
- [147:57]
Taylor Rooks
Pavia. Y. Oh, here we.
- [148:00]
Will Compton
Go.
- [148:00]
Taylor Rooks
Stats. Since November 1st, Diego Pavia has.
- [148:03]
Will Compton
Thrown for 1,494 yards and 12.
- [148:05]
Taylor Rooks
Touchdowns. Fernando Mendoza has thrown for 1057 yards and only nine.
- [148:09]
Will Compton
Touchdowns. But that's not even. I mean, we're. That doesn't even include the run game. Yeah. Touchdowns and rush yards that Diego.
- [148:15]
Josh Pate
Has. It's.
- [148:16]
Will Compton
Crazy. And the way that Vandy's just been playing as of late, it does suck that they. That they're not looking at a playoff.
- [148:22]
Greg Olson
Opportunity. Yeah. So if Diego had one more game to prove himself.
- [148:27]
What do you think would have.
- [148:28]
Taylor Rooks
Happened? Right. That's a. That's a great question. Like, if the sec. If these championships. If these conference championships don't matter for the playoffs, then we shouldn't have any weight in the conference championship players playing in their stat line to go into the Heisman.
- [148:42]
Greg Olson
Trophy.
- [148:42]
Taylor Rooks
Correct. It should have stayed. Okay, this is. This is the sample size you have to work with. Now we go in and give out the Heisman Trophy. I.
- [148:48]
Mitch Sherman
Agree. I think we could fix college football.
- [148:52]
Taylor Rooks
Dude. I mean, that's a great point, G. Like, if it doesn't matter for the teams, why does it matter for the individual player? Yeah, buddy, we fucking did.
- [149:01]
Will Compton
It. You could have the playing games.
- [149:02]
Taylor Rooks
Too. That would be crazy to think, right? Like, we really kind of figured it out.
- [149:05]
Mitch Sherman
Today. Really not that.
- [149:07]
Josh Pate
Hard. Playing games need to.
- [149:09]
Taylor Rooks
Happen. Playing games need to play in games.
- [149:11]
Will Compton
Happen. Diego Pave would be another game.
- [149:13]
Taylor Rooks
For a chance to show that he's the Heisman Trophy and his stats are already above and beyond everybody else's. He has almost a thousand more yards than Mendoza, by the way, total.
- [149:20]
Josh Pate
Yards was a playing.
- [149:22]
Will Compton
Game. Like we need that graphic made clump so we can continue to push for.
- [149:27]
Taylor Rooks
Pavia.
- [149:27]
Josh Pate
Yeah. Again, I hate hating on Fernando.
- [149:30]
Will Compton
Mendoza because I actually think he's a good.
- [149:31]
Josh Pate
Player. But against Oregon and Ohio State.
- [149:34]
Will Compton
218 yards passing, one touchdown, one.
- [149:36]
Taylor Rooks
Interception. His average against top teams.
- [149:39]
Josh Pate
League. That's.
- [149:39]
Taylor Rooks
Championship. That's. He had a good third down throw, though. Let's give him the high. And listen, we're talking about a Heisman Trophy winner. Like Fernando Mendoza is a good football player. Sure. Have a very long career in the NFL. I have a lot of respect for him. Hope someday he comes on the bus. But if we're talking about who should win the Heisman Trophy, it's Like, this is a year where we're talking about who, but we don't know. It's probably gonna go to Fernando based on his odds right now. It should just clearly be. Diego's going to win this. Clearly. He's the guy that should win the Heisman.
- [150:05]
Will Compton
Trophy.
- [150:05]
Josh Pate
Okay. Or if you want to get crazy, at least Jacob.
- [150:07]
Taylor Rooks
Rodriguez. Like, at least mix it up again.
- [150:09]
Will Compton
Yeah. Like, that to me would still.
- [150:10]
Josh Pate
Be. I'd.
- [150:11]
Taylor Rooks
Be. He threw a couple of those ints, though, right? Yeah, that's where you gotta. Yeah, put them down now. You gotta put them.
- [150:15]
Will Compton
Down. But them quads.
- [150:19]
Quads.
- [150:20]
Taylor Rooks
Man. But I'll tell you what, the reason why. The reason why Diego's not gonna win this has to do with the logo, but it's also his process off the field. The way. The way he handles himself off the field, it hurts him in this. And that sucks to say it, because it should only matter what you do on the field. It's all them UFC fights.
- [150:38]
Will Compton
Man. Hey, yeah, Jack. Jack, who you got for the.
- [150:41]
Josh Pate
Heisman? Fernando Mendoza, man, my.
- [150:44]
Taylor Rooks
Heism. Winners hugging women in wheelchairs. The other guy flexing at UFC yet again.
- [150:50]
Josh Pate
So. And hey, good for him. I. I.
- [150:52]
Taylor Rooks
Hope. I hope he has a long process. I wish we were at that UFC fight after this, but.
- [150:57]
What show was there? People are discrediting the Reliaquest bowl, too. Like, that's awesome for Vanderbilt. Like, that's a huge game. So congratulations to the Vanderbilt Commodores.
- [151:08]
Tennessee's in the Music City Bowl.
- [151:11]
Big.
- [151:12]
Will Compton
One. Who y' all like your 50th Music City.
- [151:14]
Taylor Rooks
Bowl? Yeah, we got it for the five in 10 years, which is great. It'll be fun. But, you know, you guys, sucks for.
- [151:22]
Will Compton
Him. Yeah. Nebraska's about to beat Utah's ass in van.
- [151:25]
Taylor Rooks
Vegas. Damn.
- [151:26]
Will Compton
Peter. Nebraska making some moves now. Are we going fire the olive Vegas? Are we going fired the coordinator? What is.
- [151:32]
Taylor Rooks
It? I ain't going to.
- [151:34]
Will Compton
That. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire the online coach they got in, old buddy from Georgia Tech, who's been known to have some good offensive.
- [151:41]
Taylor Rooks
Lines. Did you guys see James Franklin hired Brent Pry back as the defensive coordinator? Yeah, he got fired because he.
- [151:49]
Will Compton
Was, like, emotional about it because they coached together.
- [151:50]
Taylor Rooks
Before. When he took the job, Franklin was emotional that they fired him because of what he built there. So pretty cool that they brought him.
- [151:56]
Will Compton
Back. Yeah, and cool, too, that they have a good enough relationship. Him in the school, coach Brian, the school that. Yeah, he's. It was kind of a. Probably an easy transition for him to go.
- [152:04]
Taylor Rooks
Back. Dude, vault tech. I'LL tell you what's going to happen too. Like with Penn State, like we're going to look back in two, three years with the signing, the class that they've had with this on, like two guys that stayed there in the hundreds as far as recruiting class. They fell off a cliff. Virginia Tech took everybody. I can't wait for three, four years when those kids are seniors and Penn State has found themselves back in the top 25. And how cool of a story it's going to be. What Matt Campbell has done with Penn State and resurrecting them. Because it's going to be bumpy for a couple of years now. It's going to be.
- [152:33]
Will Compton
Bumpy. That was a good hire.
- [152:34]
Taylor Rooks
Though.
- [152:35]
Will Compton
Yeah. Knowing that they were kind of botching the entire.
- [152:37]
Taylor Rooks
Thing. Good hire. According to Josh.
- [152:39]
Will Compton
Pate. Do you have any more tear talks and we can.
- [152:43]
Taylor Rooks
Wrap.
- [152:46]
I do. One.
- [152:47]
Will Compton
Moment. Get featured on the show. Use hashtag tear talk.
- [152:54]
This one is from John zanabone at Johnny Z93 at Will Compton. Hashtag tear talk. Dear Nostradamus, now that your four year prophecy has come true with the Chiefs not making the playoffs, dynasty isn't over, just on the sabbatical. How many years will it be until your prediction of Nebraska making the College Football.
- [153:14]
Taylor Rooks
Playoff? Now here we.
- [153:14]
Greg Olson
Go. All up the.
- [153:16]
Will Compton
Schedule. Look.
- [153:18]
Taylor Rooks
We.
- [153:20]
Their schedule's a juggernaut next year.
- [153:22]
Will Compton
Right? We got a tough schedule next year. Let all the blacksmiths. Let all the common men know in the village we're looking.
- [153:29]
Mitch Sherman
At.
- [153:33]
Don't pigeon hole yourself quite.
- [153:34]
Taylor Rooks
Yet.
- [153:40]
Ohio, Bowling Green, North Dakota, Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Washington, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State, Oregon.
- [153:47]
Will Compton
Ruckers. Yeah, it's gonna be tough. I here's. You.
- [153:51]
Mitch Sherman
Know. Why is Iowa not your last.
- [153:53]
Will Compton
Game? It'll probably.
- [153:53]
Taylor Rooks
Be. No, this is not an order. They haven't set the schedule yet. This is just the teams they.
- [153:57]
Will Compton
Play. It'll be two years where we get in the College Football Playoff because next year we'll go 10 and 2. We're gonna get somehow getting in the College Football Playoff based on what just happened this year will probably be the Vanderbilt college football next.
- [154:06]
Taylor Rooks
Year. I thought the Nebraska end goes.
- [154:07]
Will Compton
So hard and then the next year will be our.
- [154:10]
Taylor Rooks
Year. Can I give a prediction.
- [154:13]
For Michigan? For.
- [154:15]
Will Compton
Nebraska? Oh God, Here we go. 8 and 4 incoming. Not even. Maybe not even 8 and 4. Go ahead on.
- [154:21]
Taylor Rooks
Us. I'm not on you.
- [154:22]
Will Compton
Guys. On us. Dude. I don't even know why I'm wearing these headphones.
- [154:26]
Taylor Rooks
Still.
- [154:28]
Okay. Go. Go up. Go up. Go up. Go up. Go down, go down, go down, go down there. 20, 27. Yeah, I want 26. I want 26.
- [154:41]
Lot of question marks with Nebraska's roster going into this off season. Indiana, Ohio State, go down.
- [154:49]
Oregon.
- [154:56]
Eight and four.
- [154:59]
Yeah, I think eight and four is the floor for Nebraska. That's the floor. Like as you look at Indiana, we gotta assume, right? Ohio State's always a top dog. Oregon. And then to me it's like, well, Iowa, you have to. At this point, it's like, bro, until, until they do, you gotta just assume. And so like I think it's gonna be big. If you guys like Washington, Washington's a good ball club. Illinois, they're a good ball.
- [155:25]
Will Compton
Club. We got Washington State. We got Washington home though. They.
- [155:28]
Taylor Rooks
Got. That's true. That is true. So Yeah, I think 8 and 4. 8 and 4. And I think at the. Listen, I'm not even around. I, I want to be very serious. Like that is a hard schedule, right? I can see 9 and 3, but I feel like it's a most likely 8 and 4 and is that, do you feel some type of way.
- [155:50]
Will Compton
About me saying that I have no.
- [155:52]
Taylor Rooks
Emotion.
- [155:52]
Will Compton
Okay. You talking about.
- [155:53]
Taylor Rooks
Nebraska. Okay. Feel good, feel.
- [155:58]
Will Compton
Great. You end on that tear talk.
- [156:02]
Did we hit. I'm assuming we kind of covered the tear talks. You're scrolling through. Yes, sir. Okay. Yeah. Appreciate you guys for tuning in. Big hugs, tiny kisses. We will be dropping busting with the boys tomorrow with coach Ed Orgeron.
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Taylor Rooks
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Will Compton
Amazon. What a matchup we got.
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Taylor Rooks
Y'.
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Will Compton
All. This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop.
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Josh Pate
Action. The band is rocking and the crowd.
- [158:36]
Will Compton
Lit. Chance echo drum.
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Josh Pate
Beat. Everybody showing that school.
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Will Compton
Pride. Game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and.
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Josh Pate
Refreshing. That's a game changer right.
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Will Compton
There.
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Yeah, that taste always hits the right.
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Josh Pate
Note. Just like the band at.
- [158:56]
Taylor Rooks
Halftime. And just like that, we're back at.
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Will Compton
It. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and.
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Josh Pate
In ice cold Coca.
- [159:03]
Will Compton
Cola. That's a winning combo no matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and.
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Josh Pate
Keep that HBCU pride.
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Will Compton
Going. Get ready for your next TV obsession. All's Fair Starring Kim Kardashian, Naomi Watts, Niecy Nash, Betts, Teyana Taylor. With Sarah Paulson and Glenn Close. A team of fierce female divorce attorneys leave a male dominated firm to start their own. Filled with scandalous secrets and shifting allegiances both in the courtroom and within their own ranks, these ladies know that lawyers are a girl's best friend. Don't miss the two part season finale of All's Fair on December 9th.
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Josh Pate
On Hulu and Hulu on.
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Will Compton
Disney. For bundle subscribers terms apply. This is an iHeart.
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