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Summary

Bussin' With The Boys – Coach O Reacts To LSU's Lane Kiffin Hire + Where His Next Dream Job Will Be

Date: December 9, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Guest: Ed Orgeron (Coach O)

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Episode Overview

In a highly entertaining and candid interview, Coach Ed Orgeron (“Coach O”), former LSU head coach and national champion, joins the boys on the bus for an epic storytelling session. The gang covers Coach O’s wild coaching journey, reacts to Lane Kiffin’s rumored LSU hire, dives deep into legendary recruiting tales, talks LSU’s return to prominence, and explores what kind of role would tempt Coach O back to football. Along the way, Orgeron’s classic storytelling, heartfelt advice, and unrivaled personality are in full force, making for a can’t-miss episode for college football fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Coach O’s Roots & Early Coaching Days

• Growing up in LaRose, Louisiana:
  • Small town — population grew to about 6,000, deeply Cajun culture.
  • “My grandparents didn’t speak English. Hunted and fished off the land.” (31:51, Orgeron)
• How Coach O got into coaching:
  • After failing to make it in the USFL with the Memphis Showboats, went to his college coach and started coaching for free.
  • Lived in the visitors’ locker room and “stole a cot out of the dorm.” (34:27)
  • “There was two things I could do: shovel shrimp or coach football.” (33:32, Orgeron)

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2. Climbing the Coaching Ranks: Miami, USC, and Legendary Players

• University of Miami days:
  • Coached stars like Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, and a young Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson.
  • Recruited players from tight end to D-line (e.g., Sapp).
  • “Dewey (The Rock) was the nicest, most well-mannered guy we coached. He wasn’t as talented, but tough.” (36:54, Orgeron)
  • “Warren Sapp thought there was only one man on campus who could whip his ass—me.” (39:06)
• Recruiting philosophy:
  • “I always wanted a smart quarterback… everything I did at USC, LSU is based on what I learned from Jimmy Johnson and Pete Carroll.” (51:12, Orgeron)
  • Known for relentless, creative recruiting — “You gotta compete to the end.” (133:03)
• USC stories:
  • Worked closely with Pete Carroll, credited Carroll as a “master motivator.”
  • “Wild Boy” team meetings — coaches sometimes taking off shirts to rile up the squad. (46:58)
  • Ran into Snoop Dogg, who unexpectedly took over a team meeting and fired up the team. (48:13)
• Loyal relationships:
  • Deep respect for Pete Carroll and Lane Kiffin, maintaining loyalty even after staff changes.

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3. Recruiting War Stories & NIL Real Talk

• Legendary recruiting efforts:
  • “I broke the TSA line at an airport to stop a kid from going to Florida.” (90:23, Orgeron)
  • Reggie Bush recruitment: Orgeron convinced Bush and family to make an unexpected campus visit, pivoting him from Notre Dame/Washington to USC. (91:34)
  • Tried to get Adrian Peterson’s father transferred prisons so he could watch him play for USC.
    • "Coach, if my daddy could see every one of my games, I’d come tomorrow." (98:13)
    • “I tried, man, I busted my butt.” (98:44, Orgeron)
• On NIL & Old-School Deals:
  • “Back then we used to walk through the back door of the ‘cash.’ Now you just walk through the front door.” (54:54, Orgeron)
  • Acknowledges SEC’s long history of “creative” recruiting before NIL was legal, jokes about unwritten internal bidding rules in the SEC. (55:16+)
• Early offers & recruiting kids too young:
  • “I brought that concept from JoePa at Penn State to USC to the SEC… At Ole Miss, we’d offer 300 kids to get 1.” (57:41)

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4. Leadership Lessons & Evolution as a Coach

• Biggest lessons after being fired at Ole Miss:
  • “You can’t coach the whole team like you coach the defensive line.” (66:31)
  • “If players know how much you love them, they’ll go through a wall for you. And if you can show them you can get them to the NFL, that’s huge.” (67:54)
  • “Never throw your players under the bus.” (69:13)
  • On accountability: “If you don’t know what your player is doing wrong, who will?” (68:49)
  • Trust as a leader is everything, both in college and NFL.

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5. The LSU Dream & Wild Ride to a National Title

• Getting the LSU job:
  • Became interim head coach after back-channel warnings following Les Miles’ rocky start.
  • “Meet me at this gas station after the plane lands…” (112:23)
• Winning the locker room:
  • Motivated players by taking responsibility (“I love you, it was my fault, I’ll coach you better”), even after public heartbreaks. (120:17)
  • Used “no pads” practices to keep the team fresh, leading to key victories.
• Relentless pursuit of the head gig:
  • Told the AD, “You know in your belly I’m the best man for the LSU Tigers.” (127:08)
  • Outworked rivals (like Jimbo Fisher, Tom Herman) for the job, then brought a powerful staff, including plans to lure Lane Kiffin.
  • “I told myself, I won’t let go of the rope.” (133:08; determination not to repeat the heartbreak at USC)
• Recruiting Joe Burrow:
  • Son Cody points him to Burrow.
  • Joe’s visit: “Coach, all I wanna do is talk football and eat crawfish.” (137:52)
  • Pivotal pitch: “Joe, if I don’t get you, they’re gonna fire me. If I get you, we’re winning the national championship.” (140:17)
  • Used family—pressed Joe’s brother Dan to help: “Put your hands down your pants, squeeze, and call your brother!” (143:24)
• Turning the tide:
  • Leadership committee initially opposed starting Burrow; Coach O showed them practice grades, won their trust, and rallied the team. (147:20)
  • Miami opener rough, but team saw Burrow’s “it factor.”
  • “The moment he got rocked against UCF and refused to leave — that’s when he won over LSU forever.” (149:56)
• The magical 2019 run:
  • “Once I saw Joe in the building, I just made sure he was on the bus—and said, ‘throw it to Jamar, if he’s not open, throw it to Justin.’” (158:44)
  • 2019 LSU offense “could outscore anybody, even my best USC teams.” (159:20)

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6. Reflections on the LSU Job, Brian Kelly, and Coach O’s Future

• On Brian Kelly at LSU:
  • “He’s a great coach, but Louisiana is a different place… you gotta be a people person. Not sure he’s a fit.” (164:57)
• Would Orgeron coach again?
  • “I don’t need to be the head coach. I could be a defensive line coach or recruiting coordinator… at a program that can win a national title and isn’t intimidated by having me on staff.” (79:14)
  • “I respect Alabama, but this boy ain’t never gonna coach at Alabama.” (79:47)
• What’s Coach O’s perfect day?
  • Wakes up at 5, says prayers, 7am AA meeting, deadlifts at Muscle Beach, walks/runs with wife, pool, dinner, repeats.
  • “I married a beautiful woman 21 years younger than me. Still can recruit.” (166:03)
  • “I’d fight a bear for a big bowl of chicken and sausage gumbo—with the potato salad in the gumbo, Louisiana style!” (173:21)
• Classic Coach O on being stopped by Bama fans while jogging:
  • “I’ll stop to take a picture, be respectful, but yell ‘Roll Tide’ and I’ll teach you about respect, son.” (169:16)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On recruiting: “I broke the TSA line at the airport… I want to tell him, you do not go to that school. I want you.” (90:23, Orgeron)
• On NIL: “Back then, we used to walk through the back door of the cash… Now we just gotta walk through the front door.” (54:54, Orgeron)
• On getting the LSU job: “You know in your belly I am the best man for the LSU Tigers.” (127:08, Orgeron)
• On recruiting Burrow: “Joe, if I don’t get you, they’re gonna fire me. If I get you, we’re winning the national championship.” (140:17)
• How Coach O wants to coach again: “I don’t need to be a head coach. I’d love to coach the defensive line at a place ready to win big—never Alabama, though!” (79:14)
• On life & perfect days: “I married a beautiful woman 21 years younger than me… I wake up, say prayers, deadlift on Muscle Beach, and count my blessings.” (166:03+)
• On food: “I’d fight a bear for a big bowl of chicken and sausage gumbo with the potato salad right in the gumbo.” (173:21)

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Key Timestamps

• Coach O on LaRose, LA roots: 31:38–32:47
• How he became a coach: 33:25–34:47
• Miami stories (The Rock, Sapp): 36:34–39:44
• USC, Pete Carroll, team culture: 46:25–48:33
• Recruiting wildness, NIL truth: 54:39–55:56
• Getting fired at Ole Miss and self-reflection: 66:31–67:54
• Fight for LSU head job: 112:23–133:14
• Burrow’s recruitment saga: 136:37–143:47
• Winning the team, going 15-0: 146:01–149:56
• 2019 LSU vs. 2004 USC—who wins?: 158:05–159:50
• On Brian Kelly at LSU: 164:12–165:26
• Coach O’s perfect day: 165:41–167:35
• Coach O on “Roll Tide” fans: 169:04–170:27
• Gumbo over Bud Light (“I’d fight a bear for...”): 173:03–173:26

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Memorable Moments

• Coach O’s unfiltered stories and voice—pure Louisiana, pure football.
• Recruitment tactics that bend every rule—as Coach O says, “Gotta compete to the end. Hold the rope.”
• Eminem’s ‘Lose Yourself’ as real-life recruiting inspiration: “You only get one shot!” (141:05)
• The crowd melting for Joe Burrow during his LSU run—“Eaux” on the jersey.
• Reflections on life after football: Humility, gratitude, and affection for home, his family, and sobriety.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a banger for any football fan—full of bravado, heart, and absurd stories from southern football’s ultimate character. Coach O proves again he’s a living legend, giving listeners a first-row seat to the grit and grind behind national championships and the wild world of college football recruiting.

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Listen if you love: Iconic football tales, behind-the-scenes college football culture, recruiting war stories, southern charm, and some of the best Ed Orgeron quotes ever captured on tape.

Transcript

[Ed Orgeron]

All right, we're good.

[Jeremy Klump]

Be like.

Busing with the boys.

[Host 1]

Hanging with the fellas.

[Ed Orgeron]

Betting on a game.

[Jeremy Klump]

No woman's gonna tell us what to do And I've been over here.

Just.

[Host 1]

Drinking beer and making that noise, baby.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm hanging with the fellas.

[Jeremy Klump]

Busting with the boys, bro.

[Host 1]

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[Jeremy Klump]

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[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Incredible interview we just had.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Coach O Kojo. We had him on for over two hours on the bus. And dude, let me tell you, the first 30 minutes, kind of asking questions. He's answering questions, right? Like it's as if it's an interview. Maybe not even a full 30 minutes. I would say about 20 minutes. In that podcast, the dude ripped his tarp off, figuratively, not literally, and just went into story time.

[Host 2]

Full coach. O.

[Host 1]

Full coach. Oh. And it's one of those I kind of wish he was still the head coach of lsu. I don't kind of. I absolutely wish he was still the head coach of lsu.

[Host 2]

He is moved to Baton Rouge perfectly.

[Host 1]

He is perfectly suited, personality wise, to be a part of Louisiana, the whole thing. He understands the culture, the people, everything. Dude.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And the stories of being at usc bouncing around him being at Miami with the Rock. Like, dude, it was amazing.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

I mean, look, it's a little past three right now. We're in the middle of our six on this bus. We will for the fans. Keep this one. Keep this one light. Keep it shorter than usual.

[Host 1]

Yep.

[Host 2]

Because I'm fighting right now.

[Host 1]

You fight for your life.

[Host 2]

Fighting. I'm fighting.

[Host 1]

Got to keep the enthusiasm.

[Host 2]

I just caught myself yawning a couple times.

[Ed Orgeron]

No.

[Host 2]

You know, it starts to get a little stuffy.

[Host 1]

Yeah. With the boys. It is getting warmer on this bus right now. We're all breathing a little bit of hot air at this point. One couple. Let's break down a couple of things and our college football recap. We talked about the Alt cast how awesome that was, being on it. But before that, before that. Now we have had an incredible luxury this year with Flyhouse partnering with us and having the ability to fly in a private jet from New York every single week when we're doing our fall camp tour, our training camp tour, we get on a private jet and it is. Dude, it's an incredible luxury to have. We understand how, like, how there it is again.

[Host 2]

I need a fight. I need to stop feeling sorry for myself. What are you doing? The yawn overtakes you right now.

[Jeremy Klump]

Right now.

[Host 1]

I'm fighting for my life right now, not to yawn back. You know, yawns are contagious. Like, I can feel it kind of right here.

[Host 2]

I'm sorry.

[Host 1]

I'm paying for myself for the possibility of even doing it. But yes, shout out jj and shout out Flyhouse because they've hooked us up big time this year about flying over the place. We understand how big of a deal that is, and it does not go past us at all. It's very interesting, however, that every week we fly to New York that we are on a smaller jet. Again, not complaining. This is not a complaining. This is just an observational thing. Every time Jeremy Klump has been on a jet with us, that's a big boy now. That's a house that flies through the air. That thing damn near two stories, right? You're the Red river rivalry. Clump's on there. All of a sudden, we're in a Challenger 300. The next week, we're in a small little putter. Going to New York.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

This weekend we fly to Atlanta. 40 minute flight, and we're taking a. A damn apartment complex in the air. And, oh, wouldn't you know it? Jeremy comes on the plane again.

[Host 2]

On the nice plane is always clump.

[Host 1]

It's always clump and it's always packaged in a certain way. Hey, we need more guys for the red rivalry.

[Host 2]

So look at it. Look at this little smile.

[Host 1]

Hey, it's Will's birthday, so we're gonna get a bigger plane. Hey, SEC championship.

[Ed Orgeron]

We're gonna.

[Host 1]

We gotta get a bigger plan. 40 minute flight, and you come and. Let me just say this. You have done without clump managing everything. Like Will and I basically just got on a plane, had no idea where to go, what to do, where we were staying, what the ride was, how we were gonna eat. We're essentially newborn infants that are calling an SEC championship game on the on vespn. So clumps connecting all the dots. So for that I say thank you. But there was a situation.

Going to Mercedes Benz Stadium where we drive up to the stadium. We're about an hour ahead of when we're actually supposed to be there, but then we just keep on driving. And I'll let you take over from there, Clump, because it was an interesting, interesting vantage point for me to watch you.

[Host 2]

We were supposed to arrive at 2:30. And the night before. Oh yeah, the night before was like, yeah, they got us arriving at 2:30. Like I like to get there. We like, you know, walk the stadium. He starts putting us, he start getting the helmet on. You're like, yeah, we do kind of need to walk the stadium, kind of figure out the layer, the lay of the land. And so we're like, all right, let's get to the stadium at 1:30. So let's leave. Clump books the, the bus or whatever for one o'.

[Jeremy Klump]

Clock.

[Host 2]

We get in the bus, we're riding over, we're what, apparently seven minutes away from like, we're not far from the stadium whatsoever.

[Host 3]

Yeah, not at all.

[Host 2]

I think we start driving in 40 minutes later, after we lap around the entire stadium, we realize we're about to come back up on the, the stoplight where which we were like 25 minutes ago. And so Clump starts getting a little antsy. We're all getting a little antsy. Like, yo, are we going to even get there on time?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And Taylor's in the front. He's like, clump, you need to come up here. Like, I can't be the one. I don't even know what I'm trying to tell the guy right now.

[Host 1]

All respect to our driver, his, his English is pretty broken and so he's trying to tell me things. It's more directional facial expression stuff. I'm thinking to myself.

[Host 2]

And we're yelling to the back of the, the van like, hey, Clump, where are we going? Do you know where?

[Host 1]

When we have a van, I'm never sitting in the front again. It used to be, oh me in and out. Probably give myself a little more leg room. I'll be in the back. From out, boys, I will be in the back. Worst spot to be in the front, man. And I am forever. Clump will be in the front. I will get my ass so far in the back with the least amount of responsibility you could possibly have. Clump looks at this guy. He comes up. Buddy, you getting through?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, hold on.

[Host 3]

I was gonna say let's, let's just address that, right?

[Host 1]

We gotta address that. I wish we had that on camera.

[Host 3]

It was a little bit of a tight squeeze.

[Host 1]

My boy was stuck for a minute, wasn't he, dude? He goes too. Because it's like, it's like two a two one type of situation. So there's a nice little alley, but then the front seat is like a three seater and then the door. So the crack, no joke, is about yay big. All right.

[Host 2]

That boy got stuck between the seat and the door.

[Host 3]

On the way, I squeezed through.

[Host 2]

And then once he snuck through, I said, hey, I got that on film. He's like, what?

[Host 3]

Yeah, I thought, I thought you're going to post it. But what, what really was concerning when that whole thing was going is Josh kind of knew where we were going. And I heard him go, oh, we missed our. Our garage. And I'm like, oh, no. So we passed. He's like, oh, we can come up here on the right. And we go by it again. He goes, and we went by that one now. And we asked the driver, we're like, like, we have a parking pass for the red garage. And he said, oh, no, I'm trying to find a spot for after the game where there's no traffic so you guys can find me. So that's where I'm gonna stop. And we basically were like, we Speak for yourself.

[Host 2]

Club's like, we got a parking pass. Like, that's not even gonna be an issue.

[Host 3]

Yeah. I was basically said, we have a parking pass. And I was like, we don't even care. I don't even care about where we get picked up after the game. We need to get into the game now. You and I can plan where you pick us up after the game. We got to get into the game. And I don't know where the. Where it got lost, but we kept driving and then we got to a spot and Josh, like, we can get out here and walk. Josh was getting antsy, too. Let's look. I was, I was antsy, but Josh was getting antsy.

[Host 1]

Josh was an antsy in the way. Josh pay gets antsy.

[Jeremy Klump]

And because we're right.

[Host 2]

We're right there outside the stadium, but everybody's directing us, hey, you have to go this way. And we're kind of getting to the point to where, hey, we think we should just get out of the van, right?

[Host 1]

Police officer. So you can go straight and then go down in the tunnel area where you're assuming the. The teams are going to go into. Correct?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yes.

[Host 1]

And then the police officer wants severe. Right. The guy's rolling the window like Half cracked. The guy's like, that's not going to fit. You're not going to be able to. You have to turn right here. Klump's trying to talk to the guy. We end up turning right. As soon as we turn right, Clump is like, open the door so we can get out. And he's like, let me just. The driver's like, let me just. He's like, sir, please, sir, please, sir, sir, sir, open the door.

[Ed Orgeron]

Open the door.

[Host 1]

Open the door, please. Open the door right now. Open the door right now, sir, sir, please, please, sir.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'm.

[Host 1]

I'm sitting over here. I think at one point I even went, open the door, please. Like, I'm nervous.

[Host 3]

This is not true.

[Host 1]

Club. It's off. Club starts to open the door while we're driving.

[Host 2]

Stop the van. Stop the van. Yep.

[Jeremy Klump]

Stop the van. Stop the van. The door was open. The door was wide open.

[Host 1]

Started Club's opening the door himself.

[Jeremy Klump]

The door is open.

[Host 3]

I'm. I'm telling him to stop.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yes.

[Host 3]

I said, stop the van. Stop the van, sir. Stop the van multiple times.

[Host 1]

We get out of this van, and I walk over to the police officer that just told us, you have to turn right. I'm like, hey, we got to go down this way. We're calling the game. He tells me straight up, no shot. That's where I go. I'm gonna fall back and let somebody else handle the. The bad guy type of thing. I'm not gonna be. No, I'm calling. You know, I'm not doing that. So I go back to lean back. I go clump. Because I can already tell Clumps in that mode, right? He about to body bag some. I go clump. Clumps are walking away. I look back. The police officers already basically told me to off. He's back at his station. He's walked 15ft away from me. And Pete's like, hey, we can walk down this way. Follow the road.

Bro. We followed the road. Basically walking right next to the car. We were in for a second there. It was bad to where the driver. Look at the driver.

[Host 2]

Ultimately had the last laugh.

[Host 1]

Yes, yes. He was right.

[Host 2]

In that one moment, in that moment.

[Host 1]

Of everything, he wasn't at the end. He was correct.

[Host 3]

He was correct. I did apologize to him. I was like, hey, sorry, that got a little crazy there. But we got to the game.

[Jeremy Klump]

I wouldn't.

[Host 1]

Hey, listen, when we. When we walked out and it was pandemonium, People walking up there. We're rushing to get to the airport. We're trying to find the van. There was a piece where it's like, this left us, no doubt.

[Ed Orgeron]

I know.

[Host 3]

He was telling me, like, where to go. And I was getting worried. Like, I think he left us. And I was. I was ready for that moment to be like, this is all my fault. He did this because of me. Me saying to stop, but. But we got there.

[Host 2]

It was great voice. Open the door. Stop the van. Stop the van. No, stop right here.

[Host 3]

I got out, and then Will try to get out, and he starts closing the do.

[Ed Orgeron]

Will.

[Host 3]

He wouldn't let Will out at first. It was. It was fun. You guys didn't hear. I'm telling on myself here. There was another police officer who walked up, and it was a woman. And she goes, we were telling you to turn right because you could have went down that way. Just so you know. I don't know if you guys heard that. She's like, the driver was right. That's what she said to me.

[Host 1]

I'm like, oh, damn it. No.

[Matt Rogers]

Damn it.

[Host 1]

Would you like to address the allegations that bus one, the boys only flies on big private jets when Jeremy Clump is in attendance?

[Host 3]

Yeah, I guess I could address that. I think it's true. I. I don't have anything to fight against, to be honest. That is definitely. It is. It is added up to be true.

[Host 2]

You like to be comfortable, but we all like to be in.

[Host 1]

I like to be comfortable in solidarity.

[Host 3]

I will be flying with you guys to New York this week on Wednesday.

[Host 1]

Oh, so we're getting a big boy.

[Host 3]

No, we are not. We're taking the normal one that we are grateful for. We will be on that one together again.

[Host 1]

Extremely grateful, but what.

[Host 2]

Yeah, this will be his first time.

[Host 3]

That will be my first time on the smaller jet.

[Host 1]

You know what sucks? This podcast is for the people, by the people, and I'm sure the last thing one they want to hear from us is bitching about what private jet we're getting on.

[Host 2]

Oh, no question.

[Host 1]

How tone deaf can we possibly be?

[Ed Orgeron]

We clump.

[Host 1]

My fault.

[Host 2]

I try and just sit back and listen like, yeah, I like to become.

[Host 1]

This podcast was built on Southwest, man. I did fight for the exit row.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's what I said. I'm like, y' all boys weren't with us when we were shooting in a gym.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hey, buying commercial. Getting up at 4am to go hit a flight.

[Host 1]

Driving from what, Baton Rouge to New.

[Ed Orgeron]

Orleans, Charlotte to South Carolina.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I did it this weekend just for fun, just to get a taste.

[Host 1]

Jack and I, we still. We Were on Southwest on the way to Vegas. Anytime we can get out there, man.

[Host 3]

We did stay in one hotel room with three men and at the SEC championship. I love that I slept on a cot.

[Ed Orgeron]

That was normal though, back in the day.

[Host 3]

But I just want to. I slept on a cot.

[Host 1]

And I hope to God that Sherman and Mitch have the photo of you cuddling with G and the angle of your legs, dog. I didn't mind it. Some bros hanging out together on a bed. That ain't nothing but the. The angle of those knees threw me off, bro.

[Host 2]

Is the issue.

[Host 1]

Hey, something like G looks comfortable.

Look like he trying too comfortable taking his leg out.

[Host 2]

He's trying to snuggle.

[Host 1]

He's trying to snuggle.

[Jeremy Klump]

Come on now.

[Host 3]

Six year anniversary on Sunday.

[Host 1]

Come on, let's go. Congratulations. Round applause on that dude. Six year anniversary. I did see the post.

[Host 3]

I'm just comfortable in my skin. Shout out to Lindsay.

[Host 2]

Did you guys all sleep, like, comfortably? Like, does anybody have any night terrors or snoring? No heavy breathing.

[Host 3]

There was one moment they were making fun of me. I guess I dozed off and like, snort.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, we.

[Host 4]

We were just hanging out in the room. It's for like 11:30. And me and G are like, casually.

[Ed Orgeron]

We were. What was it?

[Host 4]

The Lane game?

[Host 1]

We finished up, didn't watch.

[Host 4]

We put on like the end of Ocean's 12 going to Ocean's 13. Just like letting the night die down.

[Ed Orgeron]

And.

[Host 4]

And you kind of hear clump. Stop making little, you know, remarks here and there. You can tell he's probably asleep. And then you should go, oh, my God. He goes, I just woke myself up with my storing.

[Ed Orgeron]

And he.

[Host 4]

He just woke himself up just from pure snoring. So it was beautiful. But, yeah, we had a great time. I mean, three dudes in one room doesn't sound ideal. We made it work. Yeah, it's. It's easy to make it work. Also at the hotel we're staying at. Not gonna say the name.

[Host 1]

Don't say the name.

[Host 4]

Topic of this conversation.

[Host 1]

But know that on the vlog. Yeah, yeah. I will say this. A moment of gratitude. The morning of the Outcast, we all go down, we have coffee, we sit there, we're chopping it up about the game that's taking place. And then we kind of like get into the year. And as we're having conversation around all these Georgia and Alabama fans, we're sitting in a really nice hotel. All the TVs at one point have our fanduel commercial on. And we kind of look at each other. And we're like, bro, what an insane year this has been for us to be sitting here about to do an alt cast on the actual espn and we're all just having coffee. It did. It was unbelievable.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, it was.

[Host 1]

It was truly unbelievable, man.

[Host 2]

Preparing had a Georgia coach come up to us talking about being familiar with the brand and everything else. We had this couple, this married couple that was talking about how one's a Georgia fan, one's a Bama fan. They've been together since 2012, and they went to every Alabama Georgia game together. And they buy. They sit in deaf in different sections of the stadium because they're like, we don't. We won't watch games together.

[Host 4]

They were staying in 10 to. Both of them are like, yeah, no, we don't sit with each other.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And it's great to know that both those people understood each other enough to not put the relationship in jeopardy.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

During those times, that's. That's a key to a healthy relationship is understanding how the other one ticks.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So in the night before getting to go job, getting the partake in Josh Pate's live show, which, by the way, filled it out, crushed it.

[Host 4]

Thousand plus people.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Killed it. Dude, that. You walked out the crowd, too. Like, Josh Bay handle himself very well because the crowd was just full of Georgia and Alabama fans. Tense.

[Host 4]

It was kind of scary.

[Host 1]

He kind of cut it with a knife. Yeah. And then Will and I kind of went out. I started playing heel a little bit. They started ganging up on us for being big ten guys.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Then you caught a guy rooting for Kentucky.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Look at this.

[Host 2]

I just randomly say Nebraska to whoop. Kentucky, Georgia fan stands. Oh, what are you, a Kentucky Wildcat now?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Everybody's laughing. He's pent up, ready to fight the Bama fan behind him.

[Host 1]

Well, yeah. One guy wouldn't. Couldn't get his first question out. He was ready to swing on old buddy.

[Host 2]

And then you had the financial guy break down a clause.

[Host 3]

Yeah, that question dude was so. He's like. He said, I have a question in a statement. And he's just sitting there going and going and going. I'm watching you guys. Jack goes. He's gonna body one of these guys. Gonna body this guy. And I forget, one of you said something that was so funny.

[Host 2]

I was like, oh, your fans are much smarter than ours.

[Host 3]

Some. Something that just hit, though. But we're all sitting there waiting for it to end, and he's just Buddy rambling Yeah.

[Host 1]

I looked over at Josh go, that one's all for you, buddy.

[Host 3]

Yeah, that's what it is.

[Host 1]

No way. I'm. I don't even know what happened. Part of me is I think we gotta hire this guy. Like, he kind of knows something we don't.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Maybe this dude needs a job with us so we can just kind of understand. But it was awesome.

[Host 2]

Yeah, it was a good time. Awesome, man. They love some Josh bait. We got to meet Josh Bates parents.

[Host 1]

His dad is a legend. His mom, too. She was great because you can just tell what she's put up with for the last however many years. But I. Go ahead.

[Host 2]

What was his dad saying to you? You're the exact.

[Host 1]

He comes up to me as I. I'll tell you what. And I go to shake his hand as you. I watch. I'm a Bama fan now.

[Ed Orgeron]

All right.

[Host 1]

You are the nastiest son of a bitch I've ever seen play football in my life. It's. It's not, hello, my name is.

Everything. It's Mr. Pay to me. I don't know his first name. He doesn't know my name. And we're like, laughing. But you. Yeah, that's good for you. And he's just going into it, dude.

[Host 2]

He's like, I guarantee it.

[Host 1]

I guarantee.

[Host 2]

I'm telling you, you are. You know those one liners where I'm like, oh, this dude can so consumed Roy D. Mercer back in the day.

[Host 1]

He's like, I wish I knew that.

[Host 2]

Some I ever seen on a football field. But that. That's a compliment. Yeah, that's a comment. That means you're a hell of a player.

[Host 1]

I caught a couple this weekend where I was like, maybe I did do it right, dad. At the end, he's kind of like, you play. You played the game while you're supposed to play it now. And then Spikes comes up during our all cast and like, right before he gets on, bro, he like, gave me the stamp. He's like, bro, I. I knew like, you and Hightower, we played each other. Like, you got in Hightower. I was like, oh. He's like, you played it the way you're supposed to play. I'm like, Mr. Spikes, bro. You took heads. You took heads in your career. I kind of just. I was like a gnat on the football field. You were an absolute bowling ball. Different. Different world. But he gave some love, man. That was awesome.

[Host 2]

Brandon Spikes, he was a dog, bro. And he was so personable. Got hooked up with him. I mean, you got to Come on bus with the boys one day. He's like, much respect to what y' all do. I love to come on the bus. And stories I've heard about Brandon Spikes, just seeing it was just kind of a different. I didn't know what to expect meeting him. I'm thinking this alpha dude, but he was incredible to be around and he was a stud. He was about it when he came on the alt cast, doing the interviews, getting excited about things.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2]

It's like he could have stayed there with us the entire time talking about the game and everything else, but yeah, he's a dog, man. I was trying to bring up the Luke Combs story that we heard. I don't know if his brain was quite there remembering it all because he's like, that's.

[Host 1]

His answer was perfect.

[Host 2]

That's when I kind of. What do you say? That's when I kind of started to take souls.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah. Take grown man.

[Jeremy Klump]

So.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

That's when I start to. What put people on the ground.

[Host 3]

I buried a lot of bodies.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah. He talking about he after he was done, we're like dapping him up and going to be right before the next horse break. And he's like, you brought up his 40. You're like, I was sick.

[Host 2]

I talked about how big of a fan I was of him like coming out of Florida and I was like, bro, I remember watching your pro day like at my townhouse in college, like mad that you ran a 4/2 40 or a 5/2 40. He started laughing. He said, yeah, people didn't know I couldn't run very well. He's like, that was. That was day I was going to get exposed.

[Host 1]

Yeah. He said he was running and while he's ready to. I moved very fast. There goes 5 million, there goes 10 million, bro. He was, he was awesome. Absolutely awesome. Let's get to it. Let's get do a couple points. We get into January 6th, Will Compton's favorite holiday. We are doing so for those of you that don't know that are watching the show right now, Jared and I made a bet earlier this year, hey, you get a six pack by Jan.1. I will give you $5,000. If you do not. I need you to do 20 minutes. Stand up. All right. He shakes my hand. He's very nervous about it, allegedly. Turns out he played chess on my ass because he's now getting into comedy for whatever reason.

[Jeremy Klump]

So.

[Host 1]

January 6th at Zany's in Nashville, Tennessee, 7pm all right. We are going to do a, a show For Jared Beeman. One night only. Jared Beeman is going to do a full standup show. I'll be up there. I'm assuming you're gonna come up for a little bit too.

[Host 2]

I might say hello.

[Host 1]

Yeah, come. Might say hello. We'll get a couple, will be a couple guests there. This is not a Bustle with the Boys live show. What this is is a Jared Beeman stand up show. One night only. 7:00pm Zany's January 6th. Dude, let's pat, let's, let's, let's have a full house for Jared. If you're wondering but the money you guys are. Was it nashville.zany's.com that's where you can get your tickets. All tickets sold. We're gonna donate. We're not. Bust with the boys is not taking a dollar on this entire thing. We're donating everything to charity. Let's get around a plus for that. Round of applause for that.

So yeah, nashville.zanies.com you can get your tickets there. We're looking forward to seeing everybody. Special guests coming in. We'll all come up for a little bit. We'll talk about all this stuff. We'll have a little back and forth. It'll be a great time. But it's really about Jared Beeman. That's what it's all about. At the end of the day, man.

[Host 2]

I think he's gonna crush it, man.

[Host 1]

I think he will too. And he's gonna be so nervous before. But I'm hoping we can get enough like comedians that have been in game for a long time to where when he comes off and he's like, I sounded stupid. There's a couple comedians are like, bro, you got it. Because I believe he does full lineup.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

I've been doing it for a while.

[Host 1]

Jeremy Klump, he's gonna be the one getting all these comedians in for us. So that'll be nice, man. That'll be a good deal also.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

On the notice charity as well for the dads. Bust with the Boys partnered up with Vanderbilt children's hospital where 10% of merch sales from now until tomorrow night go to Vandy's Children's Hospital. We're purchasing toys next week and dropping them off at the hospital next week. But if you go to bwtb.com every item that you purchase, 10 of those merch sales will be going to the children's, the Vanderbilt Children's Hospital. And we are matching every dollar that that we raise. So again, bwtb.com to go buy some merch and help us raise money directly.

[Jeremy Klump]

To Monroe Carroll on BWTB.com if you want to donate that way. Okay.

[Ed Orgeron]

Boom.

[Host 1]

So two things. BWTV.com donate to the Children's Hospital and Nashville.Zanies.com to get tickets to watch Jared Beeman's first stand up. And I think, are we doing a special for him?

[Host 3]

We are going to make it a special.

[Host 1]

We're going to make it a special.

[Host 3]

It is going to be a special.

[Host 1]

It's going to be a special.

[Host 2]

That's funny.

[Host 1]

We'll make Jared do a meet and greet. We'll have a bunch of merch there for all the boys. We'll make it fun, exciting. We're going to give away a bunch of stuff. It'll be fun. You guys will really enjoy it, man.

What else?

[Host 2]

I saw a question on the intro. World cup in usa. Are we going to a game? Group D?

[Host 1]

Yeah. I mean, why not? Got to. When is the World Cup?

[Host 3]

It's like, all summer, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Oh, boys, that's so far away. We need to start talking about the Olympics. We start. Winter Olympics is coming up. And you guys remember the four nations tournament, right? Yeah, we did. We. We got after Canada's ass. Canada disrespected our ass. So this needs to be. If the world is what the world claims to be, it'll be America versus Canada for the gold medal, and we're whooping that ass. And where? Milan. We're going to Milan. Milan, Italy.

Yeah. Big jet germ.

[Host 3]

You'll need a big one to go.

[Host 1]

There and a big jet German to get Milan. All right, that or I hope Southwest goes to Milan, because I'm going. I got to get out there.

[Ed Orgeron]

Oh, you'll watch it.

[Host 2]

You're going to go out there.

[Host 1]

50 stars. 13 bars, brother. How to. How patriotic are you? Yeah, if we. I think given schedule. Given the schedule, if we're able to go out there. I'm gonna go out there. Got to, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

I have to. I'll watch it from the tv.

[Host 1]

I know you will.

[Host 2]

I'll be kicking it at the house. I'm talking February 6th through 22nd. We got super bowl weekend.

[Host 1]

Oh, then I will not be going. I'll be rooting for you boys, though, huh? I'll be rooting for all you boys out there already at 50 stars. Yeah, I'm already out. 50 stars. 13 bars from my TV. I will not be running. I'll be on that couch. All right, boys, let's do a quick break for this thing right here and then we're gonna get into that at Ozeron.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Bud Light seems to be doing something really cool for the Super Bowl. Should we clap? Should we clap and get into get into fit.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

This before we get into the interview with with coach O.

[Jeremy Klump]

You ready?

[Host 1]

Excellent. Boys, Bud Light and Post Malone are running it back for a one night only concert in San Francisco Super bowl weekend.

[Host 2]

Fans 21/plus can DM or comment hashtag PostyBL2026 hashtag sweepstakes on Bud Light's dedicated Instagram and Facebook posts to enter for a chance to win. Oh, Bud Light goes great lengths to deliver fans epic music experiences.

[Host 1]

Buddy, I am obviously a fan of Post Malone but his new country album life of sin, all the Sturgill Simpson remakes, everything like that. The songs, it's incredible. Have you heard them?

[Host 2]

Yours about his daughter, that'll tear you up for all papa team six and all the dads watching you. Listen, I'll have you crying because of.

[Host 1]

The way you said that. I still have not listened to that song. I'm so scared to cry.

[Host 2]

You've got to check that one out. Also White Iverson. Listen, throwback Post Malone. I'll take some white.

[Host 1]

Also White Iverson.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

So congratulations. Check all that out. Dude. It's gonna be incredible. We're gonna be out at super bowl all week. Bud Light's doing incredible things Post Malone. One night only. And also this interview is brought to you by Bud Light. Bud Light is brewed with four simple ingredients for a clean, crisp taste. They have a whole bunch of partners, but if you want to stock up with some Bud Light, you can go to www.budlight.com forward/locator to find a place near you. Easy to drink, easy to enjoy all day long. Boys and girls, let's get into the episode with Ed Ogeron.

[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

Phenomenal.

[Ed Orgeron]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Host 1]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Jeremy Klump]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Host 1]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Ed Orgeron]

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[Host 1]

She wants a pair of stilettos.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Host 1]

We're rolling. All right, Coach, anything you say now is being recorded. Obviously nothing's going to change the minute you walked into the shop, man, because you all the way through, you walked in on the bus before us. Bunch of our guys like Coach. Oh man, what a legend. What a guy. And it's like, it's, it's an absolute honor. Let's give coach O a round of applause. Coming on the bus.

Incredible, incredible stuff, man. You have been all over the coaching world and it been around so many great players, coached with so many great coaches. Had great coaches under you as well. But LaRose, Louisiana. Are we talking like what, What's a population? What's it like growing up there? Because when I was at Michigan, I had a teammate of mine from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. His name is Drew Dillio. Wind up dating his sister. So I would go down to Baton Rouge, and her grandparents were like, the Creole had to talk. Where I'm just sitting there from Arizona, like, just smiling and nodding while they're kind of going through everything. Is that what's taking place in LaRose?

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, the same thing, man. Yeah. I think the population grew up to 6,000.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, so we're getting bigger and we live on the bayou. You know where they come to the bayou, right?

[Host 1]

I do not.

[Jeremy Klump]

Runs right by you house.

[Ed Orgeron]

But actually, my grandparents didn't speak English. And my grandparents hunted and fished off the land. And my mother moved from the camp in the swamp to my sister's. Her sister's home to go to high school. So it was a great, great experience.

[Jeremy Klump]

There's a great picture right there. They. I live right on. On the corner right there. There's the Intracoastal Canal and the Bayou lafourche. And I live not. Not in that big house, that small.

[Ed Orgeron]

House right on the side.

[Host 1]

That is absolute wild. Like, is. It was like Creole, like a real thing down there in Larouse. Like, who. When people come from out of town, they got to be so confused about how people are communicating.

[Ed Orgeron]

We all speak Cajun French. Yeah. And the thing about it, you know, I thought I knew how to speak French. I took it in college. We got a little slang about ourselves.

[Jeremy Klump]

We don't know where we're gonna make it up. But, Papa.

It saved two more.

[Ed Orgeron]

I feel you.

[Host 1]

I feel you with that. And you guys just get confused, like, hey, it. I'm making up my own words.

[Jeremy Klump]

Damn right.

[Host 2]

You gotta imagine, too.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's.

[Host 1]

That's my five year old. That's my. My daughter know what's going on. She's gonna make something. But, yeah. Hell yeah, honey. Let's go.

[Host 2]

You gotta imagine too, coach. Oh, how he's been a hell of a coach. He's got the resume, everything else, but some of his first interviews, like the ad, whoever he's sitting with, gotta be listening to him.

[Jeremy Klump]

Be like, yeah.

[Host 2]

You sure you want to.

[Host 1]

Be? I know you can't understand a word he says, but guy knows ball.

[Host 2]

Hey, if you want him to be your position coach, like, if you like him, go ahead and take him.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

How did you get your start of coaching?

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, my father was kind of like my. My coach when I was young. And I idolized him, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

But there was two things I can do. I can shovel shrimp. I can coach football. And guess what? The choice of coaching football was very easy.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, but, you know, as soon as.

[Jeremy Klump]

I went trial football, in fact, I came trial for the Memphis Showboats.

[Ed Orgeron]

You guys are probably too young to remember Memphis Showboats, the USFL football league. And I drove home, my dad said.

[Jeremy Klump]

What are you gonna do?

[Ed Orgeron]

So I started coaching the next day. I went to my college coach. He goes, you know, he had a kind of coach, baby, that's my name.

[Jeremy Klump]

Baby, what you gonna do then? I'll start coaching. He goes, where?

[Ed Orgeron]

Right here.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, baby, I. I don't have a job. I said, coach, I don't need no money.

[Ed Orgeron]

Tomorrow morning, 8 o' clock will be the staff meeting.

[Jeremy Klump]

Boy, you.

[Ed Orgeron]

You saw, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

He said, okay, you can come, but here's the deal.

[Ed Orgeron]

He says, you cannot eat in the.

[Jeremy Klump]

Cafeteria and you cannot live in the dormitory.

[Ed Orgeron]

You're not on scholarship anymore. I said, coach, that's fine.

[Jeremy Klump]

I took my pickup truck, I stole a cot out of the dormitory, and I moved in the visitors dressing room, man, in the stadium. You know what? You know, hey, look, I had a bunch of showers, a bunch of lockers. Hell is the best I ever lived, man. I loved it.

Next day, 7:30, staff meeting. I was sitting there with my pen. Here we go. I never looked back.

[Host 2]

So when you're going back and getting that, that as your first job, like, how are you kind of carving your way into, you know, finding respect, finding your niche in the coaching world to kind of like earn your keep, to stay on the staff and then for them to turn it into. We got to get him a job.

[Ed Orgeron]

Exactly.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, the first day we went.

[Ed Orgeron]

Out to practice, they gave me the defensive ends where I used to coach the defensive end. And they, they gave me them, what, 10 minutes individual. And I got pretty pissed at them. So I said, effort.

[Jeremy Klump]

We're gonna have an attitude adjustment period.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I just started banging, bang, bang.

[Jeremy Klump]

And everybody, everybody on the field was.

[Ed Orgeron]

Like, what in the world is going on over there? So ever since then, I made my mark.

[Host 2]

Physicality.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, that's right.

[Host 1]

And what was your. Where was the next stop after that?

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, I went from Northwestern State to Macne State to Arkansas to Miami and really Arkansas. Miami was my big bricks.

[Host 2]

Yeah, especially when I went to Miami in Arkansas, too. You were a strength coach?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, I was a strength coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

I was in the weight room.

[Ed Orgeron]

Check this out. I made 25 every two weeks. Let me, let me tell you. I got that. You guys love the story. So I was down in the summer, shoving the shrimp in the shrimp shed. That's what I knew how to do. Making fast money. And I get a call. Now I'm on the bottom of the boat now, baby.

[Jeremy Klump]

You got a call from Arkansas.

[Ed Orgeron]

And back then, no cell phone had that one thing. So I get up there, I have my shovel in my hand, my white boots, everything. This guy, Brad Scott was at the University of Arkansas. He goes, hey man, I've got a.

[Jeremy Klump]

Job in the stretch culture room at.

[Ed Orgeron]

The University of Arkansas.

[Jeremy Klump]

You want it? I said, wait a minute. I took my, my shovel, whoa. Threw it in the body. I said, hell yeah. Where the hell is Arkansas, man? I made 25 every two weeks.

[Ed Orgeron]

I lived in the dormitory and absolutely loved it. Really? Yes.

[Host 1]

And then after that you go to Miami and you end up. Did you end up. You crossed paths with the Rock, correct? The way the Rock Johnson.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's right.

[Host 1]

What was that? Tell me, give me a look into. Because we all see the star he is now, right? I saw this morning. I woke up at, you know, 5:45. He's got a post out an hour and a half before getting up. Get my cardio. I'm like, this son of a. Is always on top of all of us. But what was he like in college?

[Jeremy Klump]

Great guy. First of all, his nickname was Dewey. We didn't know anything about the Rock. Dwayne Johnson, he was the nicest.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now, back then, University of Miami players were not called nice. Okay? I was coaching Sapp and all those guys, but he was the most well mannered young man that we coach. Now, he wasn't as talented as Sapp and those guys, but he's a very, very tough football player.

[Jeremy Klump]

Great guy to coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Did he. Do you think he. Did he have a chance to make it in the league, you think? I know he tried for a little bit.

[Ed Orgeron]

I think that, you know, he didn't have the movement skills that most guys have. But I remember one day he had a bad practice and his uncle was a wrestler, right? And Bob Cornells recruited him. And we got off the field, I said, God dog it, do it.

[Jeremy Klump]

You need to go be a dirt wrestler like your uncle.

[Ed Orgeron]

Later on in life.

[Jeremy Klump]

I saw even the wrestler, I said, damn, he took good advice.

[Host 2]

So you got to coach Ray Lewis too.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, Ray was.

[Ed Orgeron]

In fact, what happened is Ray came in June and I remember Tommy Toberville told us now he was a little 190 pound wrestler. This is going to be the best linebacker ever in, um, history. And he darn sure was. There she was, man. I coached the D line, but Tommy. Coach Ray Lewis. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Would you also cross paths with Mike Sullivan? Yeah, Mike was my assistant offensive line coach of the Titans for nine years.

[Ed Orgeron]

Great guy.

[Host 1]

One of what, three white dudes on the University of Miami. You got to be a tough SOB to be to hand be a Caucasian on that squad.

[Jeremy Klump]

That's right. And he was.

[Ed Orgeron]

He was nasty, man.

[Host 2]

Was he really.

[Jeremy Klump]

But a good guy off the field nasty.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know Coach Johnson, he was sharp man. He would only let you recruit left tackles and centers. Really now, huh? And you're not playing right tackle in high school.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know this.

[Ed Orgeron]

And you're not the best athlete on the field. You're playing defense, right.

[Jeremy Klump]

And he take the best defensive lineman he could.

[Ed Orgeron]

The rest he moved over to office. He want a smart center, athletic left tackle. All the rest with defensive lines figure.

[Host 1]

It out after that.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

Defense let me. And then you have a little mental edge too on the outside of the offensive line. That's an awesome.

[Host 2]

What was it like coaching a personality like Warren Sapp?

[Ed Orgeron]

Well.

[Jeremy Klump]

I love Warren. Right.

[Ed Orgeron]

But look, you got to step in the room Warren.

[Jeremy Klump]

And we still talk about it this day, right? Warren thought now he'll argue with today. Back then he thought there was one guy on campus at the University of Miami that could whip his ass.

[Ed Orgeron]

Me.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now whether I could whip it or not, probably not, but at least he thought I could. Yeah, but remember he came to us as a tight end.

[Ed Orgeron]

He was £227. He red shirted and played tight end.

[Jeremy Klump]

The whole red shirt year.

[Ed Orgeron]

Then we had to recruit him to play defensive line. But one thing about Warren now when he got off on that football, he was so he ran a 4, 6540 at 275. When he got off on that football out here like a cobra, man, like a snake. He was so fast. That guy was the fastest defensive lineman I've ever caught. And nesting with the.

[Host 1]

When he's playing tight end, red shirting at tight end. And you have to recruit him to play defense line. What are those conversations like you bring him in there. Hey, these are facilities is the room you'll be looking at.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well look, D line was. D line would be meeting. He'd walk by the tight end room.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hey Warren, I got a little pool boy for you. Come here, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

Me and Bob Carmelo, we had food for him every day, man.

[Ed Orgeron]

We recruited this out of. Yeah but then we got him in the room, man. We got after his ass and he left.

[Host 1]

And how quickly from him going down from tight end to defense line where you're like, okay, yeah, immediately. That's awesome, man.

So after Miami, where was the next stop?

[Jeremy Klump]

You're after Miami.

[Ed Orgeron]

I got up and you can imagine that. Okay, I'm 27 full time.

[Jeremy Klump]

28 full time. Living in Miami. I'm having fun.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Two time national champ coaching Warren Sapp. Living them on Brickell Key. Yeah, doing it. All right. My off the field annex were a little while.

[Ed Orgeron]

Right.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I had to take a year off. So I took a year off of.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coaching and that wasn't.

[Jeremy Klump]

But that wasn't about my choice.

It was highly recommended by the university.

[Host 1]

They go to some of those fraternity parties. Coach O is also in there with the boys. What the hell is going on?

[Ed Orgeron]

Wow.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, we could have the buzz back then.

[Ed Orgeron]

We had a good time.

[Jeremy Klump]

But anyway.

So I took a year off and a. I had to volunteer.

[Ed Orgeron]

Tiny Nickel State in Tibeto, Louisiana. And then I worked my way back up to Syracuse, then the usc.

[Host 1]

Usc, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Paul Pascalone was really good to me.

[Ed Orgeron]

Brought me back into big time coaching.

[Jeremy Klump]

Then I went to usc. There's two schools I always want to coach at. I wanted to be the head coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

At lsu, the head coach at usc. Amen. When I went to usc, man, God dog, what a place. I love the place.

[Host 1]

You're there in the heyday, this is when you know Reggie Bush is dating the, the celebrities.

[Host 2]

Clay Matthews.

[Host 1]

Clay Matthews is in there. Kyle Matthews is in there. Like, you had some crazy squads and I know there's been like the lore of Coach O, but one thing you were incredible at was recruiting.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yes.

[Host 1]

And you have a story about like, what coach getting fired and you're still on the recruiting trail and all that. But what about usc when you got that call? Like, was it, hey, I'm on my way immediately.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm coming. Yeah, I was at Syracuse and they wanted me to stay there. I want to go. I wanted to go. I always wanted to be at USA and what a, what a place, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

But you know what? You know, I was with Paul Hackett. We were getting fired.

[Ed Orgeron]

And back then my wife goes, she. I get. I guess we leave. And I said, no, this place is too strong. We're gonna stay. And I went out recruiting for two weeks. I didn't know who to coach was going to be. And you guys heard the story. It was a Saturday night, 10:30, I'm sitting there watching Long Beach Poly and Lord Play.

[Jeremy Klump]

And a guy named Pete Carroll comes up to me.

[Ed Orgeron]

Got my UFC stuff on. It's about 10:30, 11:00 clock on Saturday. He Goes, pete Carroll?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. He goes, what are you doing? I said, I'm recruiting. He goes, for who? I said, for usc. He goes, didn't y' all get fired two weeks ago?

[Ed Orgeron]

I go through.

[Jeremy Klump]

They told me if I wanted to stay on the go recruit. He said, you've been a recruit for two weeks?

[Ed Orgeron]

Hell, yeah. He goes, you know these players over there?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

Manuel Wright, Darnell Bank, Herschel. Herschel Dinner. You think they can play at usa? I said, why are you asking me that?

[Jeremy Klump]

He goes, you know, Pete always has.

[Ed Orgeron]

That look about him, you know? He goes, well, they named me the head coach at the University of Southern California. Monday afternoon at 2:30, the first thing I told him, I said, coach, give me a number. He looked at me like, who's this guy? I said, I got the number one player in, in the nation, Sean Cody. I'm gonna be at his school at 7 o' clock on Monday morning. I'm gonna call you, Coach, you're gonna be the first one to talk to him. He said, really, Eddie? He's that good? Said, yeah. He goes, don't give nobody my number. Don't tell him. I said, don't know where, but 7 o' clock that morning, I was there at the high school. Now, Sean's daddy wouldn't let me in the house. He's a big Irishman, okay? I know he, he thought he disappointed a boy to take the bowl. We'll talk about that later. And he said, coach, you ain't, you ain't recruiting my son. He going to know the name, you know, I told him, I said, I'm going to recruit your son. He's going to come to usc. I'm going to coach for him. Anyway, so we went down there, went to the high school coach, talk to Sean. He says, hey, Eddie.

Can you be.

[Jeremy Klump]

At my press conference at 2:30?

[Ed Orgeron]

I said, well, sure.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I went down.

[Ed Orgeron]

Look, I've been on the road for two weeks, right?

[Host 1]

Recruiting for. Recruiting for somebody that you don't even know your coaches.

[Host 2]

He's just wearing a us.

[Host 1]

You're going up the kids, y' all gotta go to usc.

[Jeremy Klump]

Like, who's the coach? We don't know, but we need you. We don't know. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

And then I ran into a couple.

[Ed Orgeron]

Of coaches that were kind of derogatory on the road, you know what I'm saying? I'll tell you, I'll be back for you later. That's all I'm doing. Like Schwarzenegger, you know.

[Jeremy Klump]

Anyway, so, so, so they have the press Conference.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now, Coach Carroll wasn't the.

[Jeremy Klump]

The picket litter, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah. I mean, retread and all this stuff. So he goes, he sent some little guy. I don't know. He was. We kind of looking out, hey, you got a staff meeting right after this. So I go up there and, man, my seat was right near coach, the head coach. I was right there. It was taken. I seen some people in that damn meet night scene in two years, all they're dressed up, want a job.

[Jeremy Klump]

My chair was way in the back.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coach goes, look, guys, you know what? I know some great coaches in here. I ain't keeping nobody. I'm gonna start fresh. I'm sitting back there going, are you shitting me? And he said, I'm walking by.

[Jeremy Klump]

Go.

[Ed Orgeron]

All except you, Eddie.

[Jeremy Klump]

Let's get to work.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's coach Carol, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, I went from right there to right there.

[Ed Orgeron]

And two weeks we were together, man. And he was a mentor to me. What a great, man. What a great.

[Host 2]

You thought he was about to burn you after the whole recruiting. Yeah, yeah, exactly like, hey, I'm not retaining anybody.

[Jeremy Klump]

But that's him, man. You know me.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's how he does it. And he wants to celebrate. We had a great, great career together, man.

[Host 1]

We had Kyle and Clay Matthews on here, and they're talking about these team meetings that took place. Coaches taking clothes off, shooting basketballs, getting wild. Like, I already know you're one of those coaches. I want to hear from your vantage point what the thought process is with PKO is like, fellas, here's how we're get the boys riled up today. Coach O. Get naked. Get after it. Because I know it was. It was like nuts back then, right? They kind of alluded to it a little bit.

[Ed Orgeron]

Well, you know, I'll be careful. I won't say this.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'm really developing my upper body, so.

[Ed Orgeron]

I don't mind taking away.

[Jeremy Klump]

Taking off my shirt. That's as far as I want to go. Ok.

But anyway, you know, Coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coach was a master. He's a master motivator, man. And we had this. This deal that Kennedy Polo was our special teams coach. And he taught us this thing. We go in there and we take off our shirts to get all the boards riled up and all. And it was like SD special theme.

[Jeremy Klump]

Wild Boy, SD Wild Boy.

[Ed Orgeron]

Everybody just going nuts, man. And it was wild. So he'd have me do that. So that was my.

[Jeremy Klump]

My part. He'd come any day now.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hit him. Okay, coach, you got it. You know, I get up there and challenge the guys, you know? And back then, I was kind of bored up a little bit. It was good. It was fun, though.

[Host 2]

Anyway.

[Jeremy Klump]

But one day, okay, one day he.

[Ed Orgeron]

Goes, eddie, come here. Yes, sir, Coach, we gotta do SD Wild boss today. He said, look, now here's what's gonna happen. I want you to go in there and I want you to tell them it's not good enough and get pissed at a minute. They listen to me, they were good. And he said, I want you to walk out the door. Tell them I'm walking out this door, and when I come back, your ass better be ready. Yes, sir.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

[Ed Orgeron]

They're like, God, what's up with coach today, man? He's an idiot.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now, look, I'm not big into. I don't know. I didn't know. I heard of Soup Dog, but I never met Soup Dog and rap and, you know, movie stars. Pete had them all coming around. Around, you know.

[Host 2]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

I was just interested in getting sacked.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

So I walk out the door. He said, there's somebody going to take your place. Eddie, don't tell him anything. Let him come in.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I walk out the door. It's freaking Snoop Dogg. So instead of me going back in, Snoop Dogg goes back in.

[Ed Orgeron]

The team went nuts, man. They absolutely loved him. Then he came out to practice, he.

[Jeremy Klump]

Was hitting the bags with us, man.

[Ed Orgeron]

He was throwing passes, but that's was Coach Carroll's way of get to the players and getting us all together. He was a mastermind.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Do you still follow Coach Carol and his crew right now?

[Ed Orgeron]

Love him. I watched the Raiders the other night.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Love him.

[Ed Orgeron]

Love that.

[Host 1]

In your opinion as a head coach, watching a coach in the NFL that you used to coach with, what's going on in the Raiders organization right now, that needs to be switched up, yo.

[Jeremy Klump]

First of all, you know, we were.

[Ed Orgeron]

I think we're 2 and 6 at USC. Then we turned it around, went 6 and 6. Our first season wasn't the. The season everybody else.

[Jeremy Klump]

So it's going to take him a.

[Ed Orgeron]

Little while to get his people in there and get his system, especially in the NFL. Look what he did in Seattle. The guy's wonderful, man, and he is going to win. They just got to be patient. As you guys know, there's not a lot of patience in football today, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

What do you think, like, too.

[Ed Orgeron]

You.

[Host 2]

You talk about Coach Pete Carroll, like, he's known for, like, connecting. Connecting with people, connecting with culture. What are other things you feel like you got to learn from him as a head coach before you became a head coach. And also, you got to do. Even though you're younger and in your 20s, you were around Jimmy Johnson. It's a cat that's one at all levels, on a boat. Now, down in Florida, people love to kind of seek him out for what he understands because he connects with so many personalities as well.

[Jeremy Klump]

Let me start with Jimmy.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coach Johnson. Now, I was a ga. I learned from Coach Johnson. I used to. On Thursday night, he used to talk to the team by himself. I used to sneak in. He didn't know I was there. I sneak in and listen. The guy was phenomenal. He's a psychiatrist. The players loved him. The biggest, baddest player on the team feared him.

[Jeremy Klump]

I give you an example. You see how his hair is all.

[Ed Orgeron]

Looking good right now?

[Jeremy Klump]

Coach Johnson will go jog around campus.

[Ed Orgeron]

Every day, you know, and we all would.

[Jeremy Klump]

With his shirt off.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, I got ridicule for jogging with my shirt off at lsu. Yeah, well, Jimmy could, so I could, too, right?

And I gotta tell you, I look a lot better with my shirt off. But look, he be. We live in some shotgun officers. So Coach would come back now, he.

[Ed Orgeron]

Put that hairspray in there. Now, he. He'd have that hairspray, and he'd have it all, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

But he'd be coming down the shotgun hall, and you coming this way, meeting up with Coach Johnson.

[Ed Orgeron]

If he's smiling, you keep on walking. Hey, Coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

What's up, man?

[Ed Orgeron]

Hey, man. Let's go, man. He. He has that frown on his face.

[Jeremy Klump]

You take the first door you can and go hide till he passes.

[Ed Orgeron]

I mean, no, he just had that control over you, man. He. Jimmy knew how to push buttons. And I also learned from Coach Johnson, besides coaching football is how to recruit, how to take special teams guys. I mean, take safeties, move the linebacker. Linebackers, moving the defensive end, defensive end, the defensive tackle. He wanted speed. He wanted speed. But the biggest thing he taught me said, ed, you got to have a smart quarterback.

[Jeremy Klump]

Everything that I've done from USC and.

[Ed Orgeron]

The LSU was marked off the his blueprint and Coach Carroll's blueprint.

[Host 2]

What are the things you look for when you're finding those hybrid types of going from, like, safety to backer or backer to D end or D and a D tackle. Obviously, it's like body genetics and everything else. But are there, like, philosophies in your mind to where you're like, this is how we're going to be Able to make him, you know, get a little bit bigger, move to this position.

[Ed Orgeron]

The biggest thing that I needed to do was get them in camp and have them through my drills and not listen to anybody else. Get the height, the weight, the speed, agility, stretching, all that stuff. Flexibility. And then to see their character.

[Jeremy Klump]

Do they really love football? Now, we had some camps now, this is what. This is what the babysitter camp. Now, we got after two days.

[Ed Orgeron]

We.

[Jeremy Klump]

Couldn'T have paths then, and we didn't even have helmets.

[Ed Orgeron]

We went full speed, man, that broken nose, we didn't buy a gun. It didn't matter.

[Jeremy Klump]

We want to find out how tough.

[Ed Orgeron]

They were and how competitive they were, and when it got tough, where they at, you know? You know, to play at usc, to play at Miami, to play at lsu, you got to be up there, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

And it doesn't.

[Ed Orgeron]

It's not all talent. It's about heart, about grit. You know, you go to Alabama, that guy across from you, he didn't want to talk about math. 100 big boy.

[Jeremy Klump]

You on his way there. You in his way to the NFL.

[Ed Orgeron]

And that's all he wants to prove that day. So you're going to compete at the highest level in some very intense environments. So you want guys that can do that. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Who's a cat that you converted that was against converting to a different position and obviously, like, say, worked out in the NFL or you're like, you're pumped that fortunately you got him around to them taking that advice.

[Ed Orgeron]

SAP was probably the biggest one. Tight end, defensive line, but a guy.

[Jeremy Klump]

Y' all very familiar with, Clay Matthews. We recruited him as a walk on.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now, we knew his dad. We were great friends with the family. His older brother Kyle was with us, and Kyle was a safety. But Clay came in there, and I'm not sure that clay weighed about 220 pounds, maybe 2 or 15. And we recruited Clay to come as a walk on to usc. I went to Ole Miss, and Coach Carroll called me, Goes Eddie. You know, that Matthews boy, ed? He's about 250 right now. I think he's gonna be a player. Clay Matthews.

[Jeremy Klump]

How about that? Yeah, that's probably our biggest gift as a walker.

[Host 2]

You got some good Clay Matthews stories, like, why wasn't he a guy that got a scholarship?

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, I can't tell you that much. I didn't know him that well, but when he got there, he's a great kid.

[Ed Orgeron]

I love him.

[Host 1]

How quick, how quickly was he on scholarship?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yep. I'm sure after I left.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Because, you know, I was there when he's a walk on.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm sure that next spring. Coach Carol saw it. I wasn't there.

[Host 1]

And what was your last year at usc?

[Ed Orgeron]

My last year, let's see, I was at USC from 1998 through 2004 was my last year.

[Host 1]

Gotcha.

[Jeremy Klump]

Back to back.

[Ed Orgeron]

But.

[Jeremy Klump]

But I came back. I came back with Kiffin.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Later on.

[Ed Orgeron]

And stayed there a couple of years. Yeah.

[Host 1]

What was the reason for you departing the first time?

[Jeremy Klump]

I got the head job at Ole Miss.

[Host 1]

Head job at Ole Miss. Gotcha. Okay, so we're recruiting these guys. Let's go back in time a little bit. We've had a lot of SEC guys on here. They've never admitted it, but we all know that SEC was nil. Before nil.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, you know.

[Host 1]

Hey, we're way past it. We now just admit it.

[Ed Orgeron]

Good.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, you know what I say, hey.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coach, you know, you've been out of coaching for a while and how do you gonna adjust the nil?

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, well, it's a minor adjustment. And I said, what do you mean? I said, back then we used to walk through the back door of the cash.

Now we just got to walk through the front door of the cash.

Hey, a joke, obviously.

[Host 2]

Big time joke. Big time joke.

[Jeremy Klump]

Everybody watch.

[Host 2]

And that's a joke.

[Host 1]

If we're still playing in the lanes of jokes. I heard there was some, like, unwritten rules in the sec. Like if the kid is in Mississippi, for instance, like no other SEC school like Georgia, Alabama could offer more than what Mississippi State or Ole Miss would offer. Is there any truth to that at all? Well, because it seems like to me, I hate to cut you off, but like playing. We both played in the Big Ten. He played in the Big 12 or two years. The Big Ten for two years. Big Ten is like a conference that, like, we all have our schools and then that's kind of it. The SEC is we have our schools, but as soon as the school goes to play bowl games or anything else, it's like, fuck you. We're the sec. We don't care about.

[Host 2]

SEC hates everybody.

[Host 1]

Everybody against every sec, which I kind of love how everyone kind of stays conjointed to hit there. So it seems like if there was going to be an internal structure of how to, hey, we're all going to not tell on each other. There's going to be some, you know, unwritten, better respect.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

There is an old miss in Mississippi State. We're going to offer them 50k. Alabama can't come in and off. 60k is it? Was there any truth or validity. Joking. Truth or validity to these unwritten rules? Law, you've been gone a long time. Totally. We're out. The NDAs are done.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well.

Rules about to be broken.

That shouldn't go on. Oh, really? They might add her own written rules.

[Ed Orgeron]

But they were broken all the time. Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Let me say it all depends how.

[Ed Orgeron]

Good the player was. How about that?

[Host 1]

Fair enough.

[Jeremy Klump]

Can I. Can I tell you one great recruiting.

[Ed Orgeron]

Story between ole Mississippi State? I had a young man committed to me for three years, right. All of a sudden it gets a little squirrely, right? So we can't find him where he's at.

[Jeremy Klump]

He hid in back, in a back room in a church for four days before signing days in a church. Him and his family in the back room seeking asylum. Yeah, well, the good Lord. The good Lord told him that, that, that this church wanted to donate him a little bit money if he went to Mississippi State.

That's not tougher guy.

[Host 1]

That is crazy. Yeah. So we're fighting quite a bit. Was it you said you had a kid offer for three years? So he's a freshman when you're offering him, Right. How soon in the south are we offering guys? Oh, because you got to see like these 8th graders now, they're kind of getting looks and it's a crazy concept to me, but is it really? Do you recruit? How early are you looking at? Keep going. We got to start getting after this guy.

[Ed Orgeron]

You bring up a good point. When I went to Syracuse, when Paul Pascalone is great, Joe Pa was early recruiting. That's where we learned how to do it. I brought that concept to usc and I said I was the first. But I became the head coach at Ole Miss. We started offering juniors and South Dimores and everybody's like, what the hell? And I'd offer like 300.

[Jeremy Klump]

Then they go, well, he's only got 25 scholarship.

[Ed Orgeron]

I said, well, you know, hey, we had Ole Miss.

[Jeremy Klump]

We may get one out of ten. You had Alabama.

[Ed Orgeron]

You're going to get it. Maybe everybody you're going to offer. So we kind of brought that concept from Joe Pa, From Penn State to USC to my Dallas to the sec. Okay, so now. But it all all depends who's doing the offer. You can have some assistant coach making some offers. Those are not valid. The only time you have a valid offer is from the head coach when you're sitting with your mama and daddy in his office. Okay? Now if I offer a kid in the state of Louisiana and I'm the head coach at lsu. I came back off of that offer. But if I offer a kid somewhere else and we decide to go other way with another player, I can back off of that offer and not get as much flat. So it all depends who's doing the offering. Yeah, but you know, you like to send out a bunch of offers. The offers nowadays are not as valid that they used to be about 10 years ago.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So if a head coach or an assistant coach is making an offer, it's almost like the psychology of starting to. To massage that recruitment, knowing that, you know.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, well, he's.

[Host 2]

When push comes to shove, you go a different direction.

[Ed Orgeron]

Exactly.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, we used to call it, you're going out fishing on your own. It's like driving the bus on your own. You're responsible. Yeah. But anyway, I think guys offer to get in the game to compete, and I think other guys talk about, hey, I got an offer, I got an offer. Well, where's the offer from? So it all depends the scale of who you get the offer offer from. But to answer your question, yes, eight. Gritters do get offers by head coaches nowadays. Yeah. It's crazy, but they do it to get in the game.

[Host 1]

You get in the game because how many stories have you heard where I wanted to go to this school, but they didn't offer me until farther down the line right before signing day.

[Jeremy Klump]

Thank you.

[Host 1]

And so they feel some type of way, like, oh, you're only offering me because this school offered me. So by you guys offered in eighth grade, it's like they've wanted me forever. Since puberty. Before puberty.

[Ed Orgeron]

You're exactly right.

[Host 1]

What did you. What did you notice? The biggest difference, obviously, Miami. I'm sure recruiting was relatively easier at Miami and USC than opposed to Ole Miss. Like, what kind of roadblocks did you go into? First time head coach at Ole Miss, you're like, oh, like these guys aren't just biting, chomping at the fit to come here.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's right.

[Host 1]

Like, where did you have to maneuver from your recruiting point?

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, you have to have a bigger pool.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, obviously have the bigger pool.

[Host 1]

So that's why you get into 300 guys.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's why I get 300 guys. We went to Florida, you know, I got Dexter McCluster from Florida. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Host 1]

Play with Dexter in Tennessee my first couple of years. Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Was he quick or not?

[Host 1]

He was. He was older, but he was still very elusive.

[Jeremy Klump]

Great guy, too.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yes, great guy. And you Know, back then they had BYU Internet courses. You know, I should, I should have Brigham Young University. Yeah, they had Internet courses that you can take. I should have invested in that because.

[Jeremy Klump]

I put a lot of. A lot of more than the BYU Internet courses. So you got there. Yeah, see, we had to. We had to go in and the.

[Ed Orgeron]

First thing a recruiter may say, he's not going to be eligible. Well, you also have learning disability tests. You have Internet courses. You have a lot of ways that I learned when I went out to usc in order to help the young men to get eligible.

[Jeremy Klump]

You get LD tested, but they get.

[Ed Orgeron]

Extra time, all that stuff. So we brought that to Ole Miss. We did a lot of that stuff at Ole Miss and it was all up and up. The other guy, Alabama, lsu, you don't have to do. Do that. In fact, y' all remember Raekwon Davis.

[Host 1]

I do not.

[Jeremy Klump]

Big time defensive line, love him.

[Ed Orgeron]

I went to the school when I was at LSU as an assistant. And you is a Meridian High School and you knew the people out there and we helped them become eligible. Now Alabama and the other schools thought he was going to be a junior college player.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I help him be eligible.

[Ed Orgeron]

He went to Alabama.

[Host 2]

Once he got eligible.

[Jeremy Klump]

Once he got eligible, you know, hey, you know, that's.

[Host 1]

Hey, that's where that back door loving comes. Hey, listen, I know Alabama looks good. Crimson tie looks nice. But how about this right here?

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, hey, you know, stuff happens, you know, we gotta compete.

[Host 2]

I love too how it's like, you know, we're trying to help the kids get eligible. It's like we're trying to help the kids get eligible so we can get these. We gotta figure find ways to get the kids. No doubt get them to help our football team.

[Host 1]

Was there ever concern for you about these kids who are ineligible? Like he. Are they gonna be able to pick up a playbook or you're like, hey, that's secondary. We got to get them in the door first.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know.

You bring up a good point. But if a kid is learning disabled in college, we have the ability to have some learning disabled tutors to help them out.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

And. And it was a high school.

[Jeremy Klump]

They don't have that. So it all depends.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, the first thing that I did and when I.

[Jeremy Klump]

He's on my character.

[Ed Orgeron]

When I went to the guidance counselor, guess what I looked at first class attendance. You guys both played, right? Yeah.

[Host 1]

Class checkers, the whole thing.

[Ed Orgeron]

If he was sons of bitches. But. But if that guy was going to school and he was trying. I'm going to recruit him, but if he was late, he ain't going to school. Ain't recruiting his ass. Then the next thing you know where I went to the security guard that.

[Jeremy Klump]

Worked in the parking lot. So.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hey, man, when Johnny comes to school, what's going on, Coach? He's early. His uncle brings him. He's always well dressed. He got his book in his hand, studying. Hey, what happens when. When Johnny comes to school, Coach, you don't want no part of this. He come to different. Every day come a different car. He's not dressed. He smells like they've been doing. Doing stuff that he's not supposed to do. He's late. Sometimes you can learn so much by getting your feet on the ground and asking questions to the right people.

[Host 2]

That's fascinating to listen to.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Going out and getting like. Everyone thinks you go talk to the head coach, a position coach, the coordinator, and that's kind of how you make your decision. But to go, that's. That's awesome. Do the nuances of the guidance counselor, the security guard, but that takes a lot. Janitor.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

[Host 1]

But if you're like. Like, if you have to go through that process, it's boots on the ground. As a head coach and as an assistant coach, how many days out of the year are you on the road?

[Ed Orgeron]

Well, first of the assistant coach, I'd hit 12 schools a day.

[Host 1]

12.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I would play. Not in Los Angeles. You can do that?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

I didn't do it in Mississippi, obviously.

Anyway.

[Jeremy Klump]

I don't know if you need 12 schools a week.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's just a joke. I love those guys. But, you know, speaking about the security.

[Jeremy Klump]

Guard, I knew a guy so well.

[Ed Orgeron]

At a major high school in Los.

[Jeremy Klump]

Angeles, he would call me when the.

[Ed Orgeron]

Other schools were coming to visit the kid.

[Jeremy Klump]

Then I'd have him go sit in the meeting and he'd write down notes and he'd tell me what the other schools are telling.

[Host 2]

No, coach, you're out there playing.

[Host 1]

Had the security guard out there like a C. C.I.A.

[Jeremy Klump]

That boy. Hey, that. That security guard ate more stink dinners.

[Ed Orgeron]

Down the road than anybody.

[Host 1]

Oh, that's incredible.

[Host 2]

No, that is. That is cool to hear, too. Like, trying to figure out the character of a guy. Because my head coach was Bo Pelini in Nebraska. And he. This man did not play about. Did not play about class. He's like, I'm not here to babysit. If you ain't going to do it Monday through Friday, you ain't going to be out there on Saturday.

[Ed Orgeron]

Exactly. Right? Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

The mother, the class thing. I was a cat that will had to be. I take like online courses my senior year. My freshman year of high school was awful. So I was like doing the full senior schedule plus a full semester online, end up being eligible. And then when I get to Michigan, they're like, hey, what do you want to do? And I was like, I'm going to the NFL, so just put me in whatever. And so they put me in all the same classes that are like, you know, there's 15 other football players in it as well. And I quickly learned my first year, like, oh, the class checkers come to every single one of these classes. This is awful. And I would get six ams every other day. So eventually I learned, hey, you got to take a couple extra classes outside of the perimeter of what these regular football players are taking so you can get yourself a little leeway here and there. They're not going to come and just hunt you down. We've all got tricks, coach. We've all. We've all got tricks. Ole Miss happens. Where to then? Back to usc.

[Ed Orgeron]

Ole Miss. Five lessons for. So I get fired. I didn't do well. Coach Carroll told me, he said, ed, you cannot coach the team like you coach the defensive line. Look, man, I had three a day guys.

[Jeremy Klump]

I had coaches in ice tubs. I had coaches at IVs. The doctors come tell me, say, coach, it looks like a mass unit. What the hell are you doing on it?

[Ed Orgeron]

Grind.

[Jeremy Klump]

Grind.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's just. I just was my mentality.

[Jeremy Klump]

And so I, I get, we get.

[Ed Orgeron]

Fired and I'm going home and I call one of my mentors and I'm naturally doing what right? Yeah, blaming this and blaming that. He goes, hey, Ed, Roger.

[Jeremy Klump]

Best piece of advice I got in.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coaching from a non coach. He says, you know, those may or may not be true. He said, you can't change that. The only person you can change is you. He said, now what you going to change about you, big boy? God, no.

[Jeremy Klump]

None of us want to hear that. Right?

[Ed Orgeron]

And I didn't want to hear that shit.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

But I spent whatever time it was looking at the things that I did wrong and how can I improve to get better.

Watch coaches shows, studied people and guess what's the two things I came up with. If these players.

Know how much I love them, just like my kids, they'll go through a wall for you. And if we can't show them that we have the knowledge to get them NFL. NFL right we all want to do that, right? Or all conference to get them to.

[Jeremy Klump]

Where they want to go.

[Ed Orgeron]

We're good. And those are the two things I stuck with. And the third one was, I will not show any coach any disrespect as.

[Jeremy Klump]

Much as I can on the football.

[Ed Orgeron]

Field, and I will bring him in and say the next day, I'll calm down. I won't make a decision that night.

[Jeremy Klump]

I do get a little wild on.

[Ed Orgeron]

The field and look at the film and then walk down the hall and say, hey, Jimmy, turn on play 24. Man, tell me about that left tackle. What are we gonna do? Hey, Coach. And here's what you know, here's the worst thing a coach can do.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, what.

[Ed Orgeron]

What y' all play? You know, hey, what's that linebacker doing.

[Jeremy Klump]

Coach, I don't know what the hell he's doing. Well, if you don't know what the hell he's doing, who's gonna know?

[Ed Orgeron]

Here's the proper answer, Coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

I got to get his alignment better.

[Ed Orgeron]

He's supposed to be foot to foot on the center. He's inside front, splitting across. I'm going to cover that. And then, Coach, I got to get his feet right. So I'm going to do some drills with his feet today. And then I'm going to get him on a sled, teach him how to come out his hips and get off a block. What the coach gave me a solution. Yeah.

[Host 2]

You know, and accountability as well.

[Jeremy Klump]

And accountability, right.

[Ed Orgeron]

Never throw your players under the bus, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

You guys know the. That if your coach throws you under.

[Ed Orgeron]

The bus, what you gonna do with them?

[Host 1]

Be pissed.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

You're not gonna want to wall.

[Jeremy Klump]

And then we're gets tight.

[Ed Orgeron]

What is gonna happen when you play in Ohio State?

[Host 1]

Fall apart.

[Ed Orgeron]

Here you go.

[Host 2]

Say that trust is kind of gone. You're like, I know you don't got. If you're talking to me like this right now, I know you don't got my back when we're in the room.

[Host 1]

No doubt. And it's even more like in the NFL too, because they go in these meetings if they make decisions about rosters and if you. If a coach is talking to you a certain way in front of your face, you can only imagine what's taking place behind closed doors.

[Ed Orgeron]

You guys know this, okay? When a coach stands up in front of men, not think a coach needs to be leader of men, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

And the only way to be a leader of man is to be a damn man.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm not sure that goes on nowadays. From What I'm seeing on tv.

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay?

[Ed Orgeron]

But when you stand up there, you transparent. If I'm coaching y', all, you all know. Y' all know all about me, man. And y' all know who I am.

[Jeremy Klump]

You'll know where I'm coming from.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know I'm first in the fight with you.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know I recruited you. You know I'm gonna be there for.

[Ed Orgeron]

You, but you know I'm gonna get on you better.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, I go to the grocery store.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know my personal habits. You know everything. He's transparent. If a coach goes up there and is a fraud to his players, it's over. Over. And you guys know it. Y' all know who's true. You know who's a fraud. So I think those qualities in a head coach have to be there.

[Host 2]

So after Ole Miss, you go to usc, you go back to usc.

[Ed Orgeron]

I go to Saints.

[Host 2]

Oh, you go to the Saints.

[Jeremy Klump]

I go to NFL.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah. Tried the NFL for a little bit. And I worked for Sean Payton. Well, what a great coach, man. What a great offensive mind. But you know what? I missed college. I missed the recruiting. I missed. You know, I always been a father figures to these guys in. In this NFL, you guys, that ain't happening. And it. And they make a lot more money than you. You're a low man on the totem pole. So, long story short, I went back into college football, went to Tennessee with Kiffin. We stayed there for a year, then went back to usc, and then they.

[Jeremy Klump]

Fired coach after two seasons, I believe.

[Ed Orgeron]

And the third season, I became interim head coach. And we had a good run. We had a real good run.

[Host 2]

Then that's when E was on the staff.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, E was with us.

[Host 1]

Obviously, Lane Kiffin, he's been consuming the sports media right now with the decision, how he went about the decision, everything. Like, give us some insight on Lane Kiffin and the kind of individual he is.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

What's crazy, too, is, like, just listen to the coaching history you were at, because the Tennessee stuff gets brought up when all this is going down, when he leaves Ole Miss and talking about just all the stuff that Lane Kiffin is known for, but knowing that you're at Tennessee with him, you go out to USC with him. You've been a head coach at Ole Miss, you've been a head coach at lsu.

[Ed Orgeron]

Lane treated me with utmost respect. I was like head coach number two on the stage.

[Jeremy Klump]

The reason I went back with him.

[Ed Orgeron]

Because he and I were tight at ufc. He was a young coach now, but, man, a great, great Recruiter, a great evaluator, had a bright future ahead. We stayed close. I want to go work with his daddy, Monty Kiffin. That's the reason I went to Tennessee. And then the USC job comes open. Look, nothing wrong with Tennessee, but usc and we have been there, and Tennessee is just a little bit different. Different. I believe we would have stayed at Tennessee. We won the SEC east, and we'd have played in the championship for years to come. We were doing a tremendous job there. Tremendous job recruiting. So we go to. We go to Jack, we go to usc, and, man, he does good the first year. And the second year, things kind of. Kind of went south a little bit.

[Host 1]

How'd they go south? Just wins and losses or we lose in the locker room. Like what took place?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, well, you know, wasn't doing good.

[Ed Orgeron]

On offense, and that was shocking to me. Yeah, it's lame, but we got beat 62 to something by Oregon.

And that's.

[Jeremy Klump]

When I knew we had to go.

[Ed Orgeron]

From the 4:3 to the 3:4. And I felt like burying myself in the Coliseum that day. But Lane asked me, what do you think's wrong? I said, we got to go to 3 4. And we went to the 3 4. Man, it worked out a little bit. Did he lose the locker room a little bit?

[Jeremy Klump]

I don't know what was going on.

[Ed Orgeron]

His personal life. I just went to work and went home, but I know things were starting to slide a little bit. And so, you know, he got fired on the tarmac. Then the next day, they didn't. Interim head coach. And all the things that I had learned, all the things that I said I was going to do, now it was time to take my little notebook out and learn and do it.

[Host 1]

Now, how does your relationship. You talk about you and Lane having a great relationship. He gets fired, and they're like, hey, Ed, now you are the head coach. Does that change any bit of a dynamic? Does he feel some type of way about that?

[Jeremy Klump]

No, he was recommending me for the job. He said, coach, coach, always doing. Doing a great job.

[Ed Orgeron]

We had won five games in a row. He said, I recover. I think USC ought to hire and look after that. He's always asked me to go with him. He's always asked me to be part of his staff. And so we have a great relationship.

[Host 1]

Throughout this process. Did you have any conversations with him about possibly being with his staff at lsu?

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, here's what happened.

[Host 2]

He actually backed Baton Rouge back to.

[Host 1]

Doctor, which, by the way, is there not a better personality for Baton Rouge? Than this man right here.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, he had. He had.

[Ed Orgeron]

Actually, he called last year. He had called, he was gonna get a job, and he wanted to know if I wanted to go. I said, you know what? I'm not ready to do that. I'm with my boys. I got three boys coaching right now, and I'm still. Still in the process of getting them, getting there, getting them going with a solid foundation. But he had called, he said, you know, what do you think about l. Shooting? I gave him nothing but rave, you know, great, great reviews.

[Jeremy Klump]

And it never came through.

[Ed Orgeron]

Like, you know, he never called me and say, you want to come? I never called him and say, I want to go. No, he knew I was going. I was planning on going back and coaching. Would LSU been a good fit with him? Him do. I think so, yes. But, you know, as a head coach, when you go into a situation like that, you got to feel out the lay of the land and you got to do what's best for you. So he's got his defensive staff. He hadn't called me, so.

[Jeremy Klump]

Which is good.

[Ed Orgeron]

I wish him the best of luck. Yeah.

[Host 2]

What are your thoughts when him being 111 at Ole Miss and making a switch to LSU, knowing that you've been in both. You've been in both of those worlds, is this just that much more of a premier job than Ole Miss? Because, again, it's like, you're in the business to win a national title title. You can win one this year.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's right.

[Host 2]

It's because you're going to take a. You know, you're going in with lsu, trying to, like, I want to go win a national title in the future. It's like, man, you could win right now.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah. You know, when you're at lsu, you can play with Georgia and Alabama on a consistent basis because you have a photo recruiting gun.

I don't know if he feels like he could do that at Ole Miss.

[Jeremy Klump]

But you can go.

[Ed Orgeron]

There's Justin Jefferson and there's. There's a. There's Jamar Chase and there's Malik. Neighbors within two hours driving distance of each other, and three of the most prolific NFL receivers. It's a fertile recruiting ground. It's much more fertile than the state of Mississippi per capita. LSU's got more players in the NFL than anybody, so I think that's. That's the reason.

[Host 2]

State of Louisiana, too. Not.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but with nil and everything like that. If you have the enough money coming into your program, the way it works now is like, who's going to pay me the most money. Like the loyalty doesn't. You're gonna have a couple outliers are like, I grew up an LSU Tiger fan. I grew up in Alabama fan. I'm gonna go to these schools regardless. But for the most part, these kids will go to the highest bidder.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's right. Yeah, that's right. But when it. When it's close, you know, they gonna want to stay in Louisiana.

[Host 1]

You're right. That is correct.

[Ed Orgeron]

And the recruiting still comes on, you know, and the development. The guy's a great officer, man.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

What happens with Lane? His daddy is Monic Kiffin. You know, he grew up on football on game day. I've never seen anybody see all 22. Now, you guys played all right. You played line. I played line, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

We looked at each other, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

We didn't see the scoreboard, nothing else. You whip my ass, I whip you over, get there in a bad mood and that's it.

[Ed Orgeron]

That was.

[Jeremy Klump]

That was our job. Linebacker. You at least stood up up and saw a formation. Yeah, you know, I saw. I saw two pair of eyes. You know, my coach told me, whip his ass, get to the ball and get there in a bad mood and come back. You think I will call a timeout? No. So you were more privy to formations.

[Ed Orgeron]

And adjustments and like the quarterback, right lane sees all 22 on the field in slow motion. And he's going to get you now. He's going to get you. He's know what you're doing on defense. And he's going to get, you know, so every offense has a weakness. Every defense has a weakness. He knows how to get you by formations, by shifts, and he likes to run the football. I mean, the guy led the SEC in Russia the last five years.

[Jeremy Klump]

Think about that.

[Ed Orgeron]

Ole Miss led the SEC in Russia the last 5 years. It goes to tell you who he is as a play call.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

He's a stud dude.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I wonder if he's going to get it done at lsu. It seems like he's got all the tools in the world to get it done out there.

[Host 2]

Are you wanting to get back in the coaching game? Game I was seeing. I don't know how valid everything is, but I saw that you were in talks potentially Arkansas this year.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

You mentioned your boys during the coaching. They're in the coaching world. You don't know if you necessarily want to get back into it. Like, what does your future look like for you wanting to get back into coaching now?

[Ed Orgeron]

I've planned. I moved out of Miami I moved back to Baton Rouge in case we do get a job. I talked with the athletic director at Arkansas one time. That was it. But I have not had a job offer that would fit to what I want to do now. I don't need to be a head coach. I could be a defensive line coach, be a recruiting coordinator. But if it fits what I want to get done at this part of my life, I will take it. If it doesn't. LC was good to me. I don't have to take it. Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So it's still a work in process.

[Host 1]

I am in bed buyouts, guys. Yeah. Nice. You're a perfect world right now. If I said you could have any job you want, how you want to have it, what is the perfect thing for you at this stage of your life?

[Host 2]

You can't be a head coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

I would go be a defensive line.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coach at a major program.

[Host 1]

What major pro. We're talking about your perfect world right now.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know what?

A team that competes.

[Ed Orgeron]

I won't say a school. A team that competes for the national championship. A team that has the power and the recruiting base to compete at a national championship. USC is one of them schools. LSU is one of them schools.

I respect Alabama, but this boy ain't never gonna coach at Alabama.

Gonna happen.

[Host 1]

Ain't gonna do it.

[Ed Orgeron]

Ain't gonna happen.

[Host 1]

Loyalty goes. Yeah. Draw a line in the sand.

[Ed Orgeron]

Penn State, Ohio State, Nebraska, Florida, Nebraska.

[Host 1]

Hey, you ain't going to Nebraska.

[Jeremy Klump]

I threw him a little ball right there.

[Host 1]

Nebraska, Penn State had a in the hundreds recruiting class. They just got to be like, that is hilarious.

[Jeremy Klump]

Really. A big school with a coach that.

[Ed Orgeron]

Wouldn'T be intimidated by me being on the staff. Now, I don't want to do that. I want the coach to have enough gumption and know the that I'm there to help him and to be able to recruit at a high level and have the NL money and compete and win championships.

[Host 1]

Now, you know, Tennessee just fired their defense coordinator.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hey, I love Tennessee.

[Jeremy Klump]

I did. I really did.

[Host 1]

Or do.

[Jeremy Klump]

You said did not coach that for one year. It's a football school.

[Ed Orgeron]

I loved it.

[Host 2]

Now, were you nervous when you guys were taking that job, going to usc, knowing you were kind of like one and one and a half out with Tennessee, knowing kind of where you were sitting at potential to win the division in the SEC and win a championship?

[Ed Orgeron]

No, because I knew the power of usc. Now, I happened to be in Louisiana visiting my family when this all happened. And Mike Garrett said, look like you, Monty and Ed, that Was the deal, us three. And obviously I was part of that deal. So I'm in Louisiana. Said, look, man, I need you to be in Los Angeles tonight. We're taking the USC job.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, great, great. But then I saw the beds burning.

[Ed Orgeron]

On campus and stuff.

[Jeremy Klump]

I thought it was pretty quiet.

[Ed Orgeron]

It was wild on campus that night.

[Jeremy Klump]

Because everybody liked Lane.

[Ed Orgeron]

He. He had a great Persona by himself and we were doing a great job recruiting.

[Host 2]

Damn, Jack Tough Jack is a. He went to Tennessee. Massive Tennessee fan like he is massive Tennessee. Hey, we're opening up some bad wounds right now.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, how about Rocky Top man?

[Host 1]

We can't beat it up there.

[Host 4]

Knoxville, the 865.

[Ed Orgeron]

I think we're.

[Jeremy Klump]

Think the.

[Host 4]

What hurt the most is hearing you say that if you and Lane hadn't left, y' all would have been competing for national championships.

[Matt Rogers]

And we went into a dark era after that.

[Jeremy Klump]

But hey, hey, we'll have you back with open arms. I'm just a call away. But look here one, A part of my contract is got. I gotta have all the chicken fried steak with white gravy on Calhoun right there on the river.

[Ed Orgeron]

I could eat.

[Host 4]

Consider it done. Consider it done.

[Host 1]

Contractually, you're getting done for him right now. It's already done. Hyp's already. Yeah, he's. He's listening to the entire podcast right now.

[Jeremy Klump]

Can't be Calhoun. I ate a Calhoun almost three times a week.

[Ed Orgeron]

They love me there.

[Host 4]

Oh, Calhoun is great.

[Host 1]

Can't beat the R. That is hilarious.

[Host 2]

With the, with the awareness that you have you had mentioned, like, with the head coach that's not intimidated by being on a staff, like, what are those things that, what are those things you'd be able to explain of the intimidation factor that you, that you could, I guess.

[Host 1]

How real, how real is it of you going to coaching staff and a head coach being like, yeah, you know, hey, what would this assistant coach. Well, step it on my toes a little bit.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's a come. 85% of them. Son of a girl, they called me.

[Jeremy Klump]

They already proved it. But, you know, if I got, you.

[Ed Orgeron]

Know, Lane wouldn't be, you know, that. That Lane, Lane, like that.

[Jeremy Klump]

He want that. Oh, hey, good.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hey, this guy's going to help me win. Some coaches. There are some coaches that would be, you know, receptive to me being there. You know, hey, man, this guy's going to help me. There's some coaches that don't know me.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, I think, I think you have.

[Ed Orgeron]

To know me and really say, okay, I need this guy to Help me win a championship like Coach Carroll did. Like, like other people did. But there's. Some guys are going, is he coming here to get the head job? Is he going to, you know, can I handle this guy? They heard stories, and I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't. I don't want to be that. I don't. I don't want to be part of that. Yeah. Unless I have to. Yeah.

[Host 1]

You mentioned Penn State. You don't strike me as a guy that wants to go up north very much. Like, are you. Can you draw a line, Penn State?

[Host 2]

You can't run out there with your shirt off all the time that cold weather, freezing up.

[Host 1]

You definitely strike me as like a SEC.

[Host 2]

Coach Eckler does.

[Jeremy Klump]

But, hey, when you bring up a.

[Ed Orgeron]

Good point, I was at Syracuse for three years. 95, 96, 97. It was so foreign to me. Now, Coach Pascono was great to me.

[Jeremy Klump]

But when they. When it snowed May 1, this boy from the south had enough. My wife was pregnant for my twin.

[Ed Orgeron]

Boys, and I was shoveling snow to.

[Jeremy Klump]

Go recruiting on May 1st.

[Ed Orgeron]

And she goes, why you look so pissed?

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, it's freaking snowing, baby. She was in market zone, it's May 1st first. She goes. She goes, well, what are we gonna do? I said, we're heading south. I had enough of this crap. And.

[Ed Orgeron]

And lo and behold, I went to USC the next year when it snowed me first. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yeah, you were over that.

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[Host 2]

Please subscribe dude, what are some of your your best recruiting stories? Like you're known as a recruiter. I know, I know that you got some.

[Host 1]

Yeah, you hear about like Jim Harbaugh walking to people's houses, sleeping over those that like doing crazy to land a recruit to show him, hey, I'm your guy. You strike me as a dude that would definitely take a caught in the living room.

[Ed Orgeron]

Well, there's a bunch of them.

Chasing.

[Jeremy Klump]

Jury Kelvin Val Chasso was going to Florida.

[Ed Orgeron]

I broke the security line.

[Jeremy Klump]

Whatever you call that.

[Ed Orgeron]

The the you call it where you go, you know, you put your stuff and all that through tsa. Yeah, I went right through that damn thing and chased them all the way down. They came to get me. They said, coach, what are you doing, man? But I told. I want to tell him, you do not go to that school. I want you. He goes, coach, did you just break to the security line? I said, hell, yeah. But, you know, one of the biggest recruiting stories is Reggie Bush. Now, is, this is not crazy, but Reggie was leaning to Notre Dame and Washington, okay? I was not the running back, coach. I was not the initial recruiter of.

[Jeremy Klump]

That area, but I was the recruiting coordinator.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I said, man, what's going on with Reggie? He visited a visit.

[Jeremy Klump]

So somebody doesn't do anything.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I ask him once or twice, guess who's going to do it? I'm going to do it.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I called Reggie's daddy and I said, hey, man, what y' all doing? Nothing, Coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

What's going on?

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, hey, man, we. We're practicing football.

[Ed Orgeron]

He go. I said, why don't you and your.

[Jeremy Klump]

You and your wife come on down and bring Reggie?

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm gonna feed y' all some good food. Los Angeles. What? Big eater, you can tell. And so him and Reggie and his mama came down out the blue, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

Wasn't gonna come visit.

[Ed Orgeron]

Came visit that weekend, had a blast. Then we go play in the Orange Bowl. We beat Iowa that night, right after the game, overlooking the ocean. We stayed in Fort Lauderdale, man, we were having a blast. Calling all the recruits. Hey, President of the west coast was three hours behind. And all of a sudden, Pete goes, eddie. Reggie Bush. He goes, coach, I watch y' all play. I want to be a Trojan. Reggie Bush. Wow. So now that's the one I got, okay? Let me tell you the one I didn't get, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

Adrian Peterson, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay. So Adrian went down there, a little East Texas place. His mama ran track. I remember his mama at Houston, I believe it was. What a great lady, man. Great family. And we go in there, I bring Coach Carol. And back then, they had those old kerosene lamps, okay? Now, Coach Carol, he got much country in him now, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

And so you can smell the kerosene.

[Ed Orgeron]

And she come to light. She goes, eddie, we're gonna catch her on fire. I said, coach, okay, okay. Just chill out, Coach. I got this, baby.

[Jeremy Klump]

So coach was a little worried about.

[Ed Orgeron]

The kerosene that night. It was kind of cool. But me and Adrian were good, man. And he killed. He said, coach, follow me.

[Jeremy Klump]

So, okay, we drove 30 miles. We stopped at a little country store. You remember them gingerbread planks?

[Ed Orgeron]

You guys probably Remember that?

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, a little gingerbread plank with some pink on it. But back then, you know, nil, you can't do anything right? There's Adrian Peterson. I'm not about to give some cash.

[Ed Orgeron]

At the store, right? So he buys this little gingerbread with a Coke. That was his supper. I'm like, are you me, man? So we go all the way to this basketball school.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, the school, they're playing basketball and they walk.

[Ed Orgeron]

Everybody wanted Adrian to go to Texas. So I walk in there with him. I'm a USA Stubboo and all that. So we sat in the stadium. I said, adrian, what the hell are we doing here, man? He goes, you see that little point guard? I got to play them next week. I come to. Come to scout them. I want see how. Guard him. You know what that told me about that young man? I said, what? So he comes to. He comes to usc, has a great visit, loves it. So I'm sitting there and now look, we used to.

When I'd take him, I'd go pick him up the airport, right? Yeah, I used to bring them down the pch. You. You all been there, right? Through Malibu and all that, right? Then I go around. I go around and I go through Beverly Hill. All the big corresponding rodeo drive. Yeah, I pull up the back way, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Pull up the back road to usc, right? Well, they would tell. They would tell the.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I bring them, make sure the parents were with me. And they tell the recruit, say, listen.

[Jeremy Klump]

When he picks you up from the.

[Ed Orgeron]

Airport, that high rise, okay, that you're.

[Jeremy Klump]

Gonna go, you're gonna see, he's gonna show you about the big city. He gonna show you about the.

[Ed Orgeron]

That. But look to the side, to the left, that's Compton.

[Jeremy Klump]

It's a very dangerous place.

[Ed Orgeron]

I knew that, right? Bring them by. So show them all the beautiful stuff, right? Man, they go in the dorm rooms, you know. Hey, look at the. Go to the dorm rooms, you know, they got those bars on the window. You know why there's some bars on the window, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

People try to break in.

[Ed Orgeron]

I brought them to the best dorm on campus. Storm, that was out. That was out. Dorm. It wasn't.

[Jeremy Klump]

It was.

[Ed Orgeron]

All right.

[Jeremy Klump]

So on Sunday, I'd go pick him up, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

And the mother had to be there. Had to be there.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now, Coach Carol would go surfing in.

[Ed Orgeron]

The morning on Sunday. But he said, eddie, I don't want these recruits come watch me surf. I said, coach, you got. And then y' all been in Manhattan Beach. Oh, you been in Manhattan Beach. They got the big pier, right? And they got all them homes, right? So we live. We used to live. We used to eat at the place, An Ohi Rise right there. I know you guys, I forgot the name, neighbor. So we'd bring them up to the top. But before we do that, I would take a walk to the end of the pier and I'd show them. I say, there's JLo's. All the. All the movie stars back then, right? I didn't know if they lived there.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know me.

[Ed Orgeron]

But hey, that's jlo's house. There's Michael Jackson, the house.

[Jeremy Klump]

Really Cool. Yeah. I said, look, man, you be first round draft stars. You be living right there. Wow, man, that's cool. You know, let me.

[Ed Orgeron]

Surfing. It'd be December anyway.

[Jeremy Klump]

And then we take them up to.

[Ed Orgeron]

The house, to the top of the restaurant, and here's what they say. There you go, right there.

[Jeremy Klump]

Santa Monica.

[Ed Orgeron]

You see the view, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay.

[Ed Orgeron]

So now we sit there, and to a point, Ms. Mary would say, coach, I got something to tell you. I said, yes, ma'. Am. Now, usc, as you all know, is a great school, right? Academic and all that. So, yeah, Mr. Mary, what is. I mean, Pete would be kicking because.

[Jeremy Klump]

He knew exactly what they were going to tell me.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coach, these recruiters, they told me this was a bad place. It was in the hood, and all.

[Jeremy Klump]

I see was bad things, and it was dangerous, said Coach. All I saw is the ocean, Rolls Royce steak dinners.

[Ed Orgeron]

And Coach, I said, Ms. Mary, the Mercurials lied to you. She said, coach, they lied to me coming.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, well, they're lying to you now. Think about what they g. They're going to do when they get you, young man. They're really going to lie to you.

[Ed Orgeron]

Coach, you right, Coach, you right. We're coming to usc, baby.

[Jeremy Klump]

That was not, not not Adrian. But that would be like 80% of them.

[Ed Orgeron]

So we just knew how to recruit Los Angeles.

[Host 1]

Yeah. You knew how to drive around. Around Compton.

[Jeremy Klump]

That's right.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

But Adrian.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay, said coach, that a problem. And I know he don't mind me saying this, and I say it with utmost respect because I love him. Coach, my dad is incarcerated in Texarkana, okay? Bob Stoops has already gone in there to see him, and that was in the spring. Now, this was later on. He said, coach, I got to go see my dad, man. And if you can convince my dad to come to usc, I want to come, but there's another thing. Thing I need to talk to you about. So we tried to get into jail. But everybody else tried. They wouldn't let them do it.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I said, adrian, what is the.

[Ed Orgeron]

Other thing we need to talk about? Migos? Coach, My dad.

Will get to watch me play in Texas Arcana. They play Oklahoma games because I'm not going to Texas. I'm going to Oklahoma.

I said, adrian, if your dad. Daddy.

[Jeremy Klump]

If they showed them USC games over.

[Ed Orgeron]

There, would you come and say, coach, I come tomorrow? If you promised me my daddy could see every one of my games. I went back to Los Angeles. I want to speak to the mayor, want to speak to every influential person.

[Jeremy Klump]

That I could talk to.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I tried to get Adrian's daddy.

[Jeremy Klump]

Transferred from Texas Okana to Los Angeles jail, man. I tried, man. I busted my butt. I couldn't do it, man. Just.

[Ed Orgeron]

There's too much. Too many red tape.

[Host 1]

Were you ever close?

[Jeremy Klump]

No. No. They looked at me like, you can't do that, man.

[Host 1]

You know, that is hilarious. Is that. Is that the greatest distance you ever gone to try to get a player?

[Ed Orgeron]

Yep. That was compete.

[Host 1]

That is wild.

[Jeremy Klump]

That is competing.

[Host 2]

That is.

[Host 1]

He said, that is competing.

[Host 2]

Yeah, that's competing.

[Jeremy Klump]

That was competing.

[Host 2]

Is there. Is there a recruit out there that you whiffed on that you were just wrong about that?

[Ed Orgeron]

You didn't recruit, recruit.

[Host 2]

And they've had all the success in the world.

[Jeremy Klump]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

And one that you're like, I was the one that said, no, we should.

[Ed Orgeron]

Every great recruiter is going to have that one, too.

[Jeremy Klump]

Just like Babe. RUP had so many strikeouts, more than anybody else.

[Ed Orgeron]

If you recruit long enough, you better tell the story. So when I was at Syracuse, what was the name of the school, man? It was in New Jersey, okay? And the coach was a good friend of mine. Mine. And he calls me. He said, coach, I got this defensive lineman, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

His name is Tom Baholy.

T Neck. T Neck, New Jersey.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

T Neck High School.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

So we go there and we bring.

[Ed Orgeron]

Him on on our trip. Now, you know, at usc, you got.

[Jeremy Klump]

To have.

[Ed Orgeron]

A great grape on average and a great test score to get into school. School. But now there are some guys that could be like, five special admits that, you know, provided they're decent, you can get them into the school. Okay? So when he gets that, we get there. And Tomahali, man, he was great, great young man. But, you know, he had. He had a muscle shirt on, okay? And I don't know for why Coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

Carroll thought he didn't have big shoulders.

[Ed Orgeron]

He was a defensive lineman, right? And his shoulders were like that. No, you know, and Eddie, I don't. I don't know if we need to go across the country to get a guy like that. We got all these people in Los Angeles and he doesn't have great grades. He goes. I said, coach, are you sure? Now, I know the coach there. They say, this guy's a phenomenal player. He said, no, Eddie, I think we're going to pass on him. Tomball.

[Host 2]

They.

[Host 1]

He was a dog.

[Jeremy Klump]

I got another one. I got enough. Yeah, one more. Andre Johnson. Okay, how about that? Miami Senior High school.

[Ed Orgeron]

Not a big time recruit. Not a big time recruiter at all.

[Jeremy Klump]

I go down there, I bring him, we go to Beverly Hills.

[Ed Orgeron]

Andre, I don't know if you ever met Andre. He's just a wonderful young man. And so I go there and I'm having a home visit with a him. And outside the home visit, I could see Hard Rock Stadium right there. I said, well, I got my work.

[Jeremy Klump]

Cut off on me.

So.

[Ed Orgeron]

So he comes, he has a great visit, and he's torn between Miami. He's torn between Miami. So I get a call, USC being an academic school, but so is Miami. And I get a call and I was down in Miami.

[Jeremy Klump]

It happened to be the Super Bowl.

[Ed Orgeron]

Right, right in Miami. So I ain't leaving, right? Yeah, I'm there on Friday, the Friday, Saturday, Sunday. There's dead period before Sunday.

[Jeremy Klump]

I get a call from my academic.

[Ed Orgeron]

No, recruiting coordinator with our academic counselor.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, you know, we've been looking at.

[Ed Orgeron]

The pecking order, and, you know, we got a lot of receivers in Los Angeles, Coach. We. We don't think we need Andre Johnson. You know what I told him? Two words, and the first one starts.

[Jeremy Klump]

With an F. Okay, Yeah, I said.

[Ed Orgeron]

I tell him that. No way, man. I recruited him all weekend. And then the Monday he told me, he says, coach, just too far for me to go. But I was about to tell Andre Johnson he didn't have a scholarship at usc.

[Host 1]

So what if he. If he sat there and he was like, yeah, Coach K, I'm coming to usc. What's that next conversation look like? Are you paying for the tuition?

[Jeremy Klump]

There would have been a fight Monday.

[Ed Orgeron]

Morning in the office. Yeah, and I'd have won. I guarantee you that.

[Host 1]

Do you remember the player on the roster you probably would have fought to get off the scholarship?

[Ed Orgeron]

No, I'd have fought the recruiting coordinator.

[Host 2]

Fair enough.

[Host 1]

Fair enough.

[Ed Orgeron]

Let me tell you another Miami story about that.

[Host 1]

Oh, dude.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hey.

[Host 1]

Sitting here listening to your stories, like I could sit back all day.

[Jeremy Klump]

So.

The graduate assistants, we lived in.

[Ed Orgeron]

The dormitory at the University of Miami. Miami.

[Jeremy Klump]

Jimmy liked it because we was in there and we made $500 a month. We ate on.

[Ed Orgeron]

We ate on the training table.

[Jeremy Klump]

And this is not the story, but I just got to tell you how.

[Ed Orgeron]

The University of Miami was like a beach school back then, but just tough, hard nose.

[Jeremy Klump]

And we go eat. And Ms. Sarah would feed all the.

[Ed Orgeron]

Players and all the players want to eat. We're just like a big family.

[Jeremy Klump]

And.

Man, if we didn't make the spread, I, I. No, you ain't, you ain't getting no. I ain't feeding your ass because she lose.

[Ed Orgeron]

She better.

[Jeremy Klump]

She better. Hurricanes all the time. That's all she made all. Hey, man, y' all ain't making that spread this week. You ain't she that. I see her with a plate of food right now. No, no, I ain't feeding your ass. You better get going. Oh, all right. Ms. Sarah, please feed me. We're gonna be. It was, it was just that type of competitive atmosphere. Well, me and Tommy Tuberville were graduate together.

[Ed Orgeron]

Great guy, got me down to the University of Miami.

[Jeremy Klump]

But we live in a dormitory. So on Wednesday night we have like travel money for the g. We get 20 bucks.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay, well, Tommy, for some reason, like.

[Jeremy Klump]

A volunteer, he would get the 20 bucks. So we go get some beer, and at the end we go to Kentucky.

[Ed Orgeron]

Fried Chicken and we get a four piece. Four piece.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now that's all we had left. Right now we're feeling pretty good. Obviously.

We allotted $2 for chicken and.

[Ed Orgeron]

$18 for beer right now that's a great ratio.

[Jeremy Klump]

But we go back to, we go back to the.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's my guy right there.

[Jeremy Klump]

It's going to be the governor of Alabama, right? And great guy.

[Ed Orgeron]

And we always knew he's gonna be a politician. Really helped me out, great coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

But we go back to, we go back to the dorm and you know, Tommy, if we got a case of.

[Ed Orgeron]

Beer, I would drink 22 and Tommy would drink two, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

And that there's a.

[Ed Orgeron]

This is the way we were personality, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

So we go there and there was the four pieces of chicken. Well, we both like the white meat.

And we must have did that the whole season, 12 games. And I guarantee them to you, I.

[Ed Orgeron]

Ate the white meat 12 times.

[Jeremy Klump]

There was a battle for the white meat. Look, think about that, man.

[Ed Orgeron]

I know he's going to start laughing.

[Jeremy Klump]

He ended up being the head coach of the Auburn. I end up a national championship coach at lsu. He's a United States senator and probably going to be the governor of Alabama.

[Host 2]

And y' all fighting over white chicken.

[Ed Orgeron]

We'll fight.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, to this day, still fight over the white chicken.

[Host 1]

That is hilarious, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

What, what, what year were you. Did you first at ls?

[Ed Orgeron]

Say it again.

[Host 1]

What year was the first year you became the head coach at LSU?

[Ed Orgeron]

The first year I became interim head coach in 2016.

[Jeremy Klump]

That's another story.

[Host 1]

Was it less Miles, I got to.

[Jeremy Klump]

Tell you all the story.

[Host 1]

Tell me this story. I would love to.

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay, well, first of all, let's.

[Ed Orgeron]

Let's backtrack the usc, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

We beat, I think, Arizona.

[Ed Orgeron]

We go to Notre Dame, and we lose to Notre Dame. Okay, well, Pat Hayden was a, you know, Notre Dame for fanatic. He, you know, he called games for Notre Dame and all. He wanted to beat him.

[Jeremy Klump]

And he was right.

[Ed Orgeron]

Their offense wasn't worth it. Brian Keller was there. Offense wasn't worth the hill of bees. But we lost. He was pissed. I don't blame him.

[Jeremy Klump]

When I ran off that field, I took that job at usc, like I.

[Ed Orgeron]

Was going to be their interim coach for a little bit. Okay. When I left that field, I said, you know what? If that. I'm gonna be the head coach from now on.

And we went on tear, man. We won like five games in a row. And the Friday before the UCLA game, he brings me, my wife in, shows me the contract. It was a $12 million contract back then for four years. He tells my wife to stay. We're have a press conference on Tuesday. He's going to hire me. Okay? My kids come and. But we lose ucla, which I understand we didn't play well.

My kids get on, on the plane crying. My wife stays with me. He never calls me on Sunday.

[Host 2]

About this next deal you're about to sign.

[Ed Orgeron]

He told me he was gonna call me Sunday night, off me the job.

[Host 1]

Full time, $12 million.

[Ed Orgeron]

He said, I'm not not. I'm 99% sure I'm gonna hire you. I'm gonna call you. So tonight the call never came.

I stayed up all night waiting on a call.

Next morning, told my wife, I said, get us a plan. We're going home. I gotta go take care of some business. Me and him had a meeting.

We had a meeting.

I slammed that door. And I told him, I said, beside the day my father died, this is the worst day of my life.

I told him.

I'm better than the man you hire. You do a great job. I love USC and UF'd me.

And probably not as nice as I'm saying. It right now.

[Host 1]

Yeah, fair enough, fair enough.

[Host 2]

And how long were you at USC at this point?

[Ed Orgeron]

I had been to USC from 1990 through 2004. And then we went back with Lane. I think it was 2011, 12, 13. This was this, yeah, this was 13 to 13.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Ed Orgeron]

I took 14 off of 15 somewhere. So I've been at USC, but almost 11 years coaching. So when we have a team meeting and I said, I want to tell my team, but by. And he said no. I said yes. Double think about it was like a funeral because all the things I said I do become like their father, they love me, was my team. I said, guys, you know, this USC is the best place for you. I still going to pull for you. You great place. They got a, they got, they got a coach coming in. Y' all respect them. Hey, look, we had a good run. Nah, nah, coach, we don't want to hear that. They jumped the tables and they were crying. They were hugging me and shaking me. Why? And they were looking at him. Why? Just like the dad we never had, man. This is our coach. What are you doing? And it, it was so I go, I go, guys, pick me up at the end and bring us to the airport. And I'm crying. I, that was my, that was my family. I'd been there.

[Jeremy Klump]

I lived in the Radisson. I lived in the Radisson for four.

[Ed Orgeron]

Years across the street street. My, my family stayed at, in, in Mandeville, Louisiana.

[Jeremy Klump]

I was by myself.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'd go from the Radisson to usc. I love Carl's junior Man.

[Jeremy Klump]

I got, I'd give me a double meat double western bacon cheeseburger. That's it, bro.

[Host 1]

That was my favorite pregame meal.

[Jeremy Klump]

Let's go. No, I tried to get lettuce wrap, but.

[Host 1]

Yeah, he tried to hear that.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, that LA style.

That was my circle for four years.

[Ed Orgeron]

Oh my, oh my God.

[Host 1]

Anyway, there it is right there.

[Jeremy Klump]

There you go, baby. That thing. Oh, that make it look good. Stop leaking down.

So anyway, so we get her a plate.

[Ed Orgeron]

And this is my ex wife I'm talking about now. And yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

And so she goes, why.

[Ed Orgeron]

Why, why are you so sad?

I said, we got the USC job. Pull us you, God has a better plan, you know.

[Jeremy Klump]

I told her, it better be good. We just lost a USC job, baby, it's going to be good. But anyway, so I, I, I, I.

[Ed Orgeron]

Spent a year out of coaching, but that was, that was a great time in my life, man. I always wanted to be the head coach at LSU or usa and that Was a hard deal for me to lead that place.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I took a year off of coaching. But that year off of coaching I got to see my sons play football. And I never watched them play football. Cody's a quarterback, Parker receiver. We went to the quarter, no semifinals.

[Ed Orgeron]

It was just a wonderful year. I cooked for my kids, man, it was good. It was really a year that I needed.

[Jeremy Klump]

And then I went to LSU with Les Miles. So the first year with coach Miles, the second year we lose to Wisconsin.

[Ed Orgeron]

In and Green Bay Field up there and we played. They're like some of the kickoff classes. So I get a call says coach, y' all lose another game, you're going to be the interim head coach at lsu.

[Host 1]

They're telling you this does lesno this.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, that is crazy. This is a backwood world country right here. I'm fixing to tell you.

[Host 1]

AD that called you.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, no, no, no.

[Host 1]

This just. Hey, this is a, this is a Illuminati of third party.

[Jeremy Klump]

Third party.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

But it's legit.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay, so.

[Jeremy Klump]

So we go play Auburn.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now I'm knowing this the whole time.

So we play Auburn and on the last play of the game we score a touchdown. But we get a penalty or the clock ran out or something like that. I don't know what a yell, scream, cheer, what's going on? So we lost the game. Everybody's sad right now.

[Host 1]

You.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, I am. We lost the game. And I like Coach Miles.

[Ed Orgeron]

Great to me, but I'm like, this is weird. Okay, so I'll go on the bus.

Meet me at the such and such station when you'll get off the plane. Okay, Go to place. We stayed there till 6 o' clock in the morning. They gave me the blueprint. Here's what needs to be done. Here's how it has to be done. Here's what we expect. And there was nothing about anybody officially from LSU there.

[Jeremy Klump]

Right?

[Ed Orgeron]

I mean it was just like T.

[Jeremy Klump]

Boy and his cousin, you know what I'm saying?

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I go to work the next.

[Ed Orgeron]

Day I'm sitting there and it says it's going to happen tomorrow. Be ready. So we get a staff meeting, we sit down there, nobody knows anything except me. It was weird as hell. It was like, yeah.

[Host 2]

And cuz you said it was nobody officially from lsu. It's like, I mean was that real? What just happened last?

[Host 1]

Was there a piece of you that's like this is not, this can't be real? Or were you like, hey, I know for sure. Like was there ever doubt you're sitting at a gas station till coacho's probably.

[Host 2]

Sitting there like they have no clue.

[Jeremy Klump]

I kind of knew in my heart it was real.

[Ed Orgeron]

I kind of felt back. I like, love Coach Mouth. And there's all my. My teammate. I'm loyal. My coaches, I'm like, what's going on, man? So anyway, so I go to my. My desk and the guy text me, it's going to happen. Relax. I said, hey, man, is this real going to happen? All of a sudden, three o' clock.

[Jeremy Klump]

In the afternoon, I'm walking down, I'm walking. The guy, the guy who's the athletic director now grabbed me by.

[Ed Orgeron]

By the.

[Jeremy Klump]

By the horse. Hey, you are now the head coach the LSU Tigers. What? Let's go.

[Ed Orgeron]

I met with AD And I got rid of the things I needed to do on the staff, and away we went.

[Host 1]

Okay, a couple things. AD that's there now he grabs you, says, you're now the head coach of the LSU Tigers.

[Jeremy Klump]

Right.

[Host 1]

You better hurry up. Les Miles, what's your text to him? What's your call to him? Do you say any? Nothing.

[Jeremy Klump]

Nothing.

[Host 1]

So you have you had communication with Les Miles since this day?

[Jeremy Klump]

No. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have. Oh, yes.

[Host 1]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

I call them. Thank you. Tell them I love them and all that.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, we had a good relationship.

[Jeremy Klump]

He had nothing to do with me.

[Ed Orgeron]

But I want go tell coach about.

[Host 1]

You want to be the head coach of USC or lsu. It's been the same thing, this whole. This whole entire podcast. So now you have somebody walking up to you being like you're about to be the head coach of lsu.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know what? When I took the head job at usc.

[Ed Orgeron]

I kind of.

[Jeremy Klump]

It's not like me. I. Softer.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, I knew Pat Hayden end up. I said, you know what? The hell with that. I'm going for it.

[Jeremy Klump]

When they told me I'm the interim.

[Ed Orgeron]

Head coach, you know what I said? I'm not letting you go to rope. I'm going to get this damn job. I moved in the head coach's office. My first team meeting.

[Jeremy Klump]

Duke Roddy says that I acted like the head coach, fired guys, changed the practice, flipped the script.

[Ed Orgeron]

And when we went and they were like, wow. And we took a whole fire, man.

[Host 1]

No shit. How many games in was it when Les got fired?

[Ed Orgeron]

I think it was four.

[Host 1]

Four games in. So you have eight more games in the season.

[Ed Orgeron]

Eight more games this roll.

[Host 1]

And what was the end. What was your end record as interim head coach?

[Ed Orgeron]

I think, well, we lost to Alabama 10 nothing and I'll tell you the last one.

[Jeremy Klump]

10 nothing.

[Ed Orgeron]

We lost Alabama. Everybody else would kick their ass. And it was 00 in the third quarter going out Alabama. So we played really good. We opened up the offense, we're scoring points.

So in LSU's mind, I was just interim, but they were going to give me a chance, legit chance, because the AD loved me.

[Host 1]

And they told you. Yeah, because you said they walked you into a room, gave you the blueprint, gave you the expectation. So when you only have an eight game sample size, you have no training camp. These are not your recruits. Tell me, what was their expectation of you for those eight games when.

You.

[Ed Orgeron]

Got to shoot Tigers, take it over.

[Jeremy Klump]

Open up the offense, score points. Let's go play with some energy.

[Ed Orgeron]

You're just a person to do it. And I did it. But I hired Steve Ensminger. My buddy was quarterback coach and made him offensive coordinator. And he did a tremendous job. Dave Aranda was there, did a tremendous job.

[Jeremy Klump]

So anyway, so we're going in, we're doing good, man. We're rolling.

[Ed Orgeron]

We got, we got a little, we got a little something going. And we had. Hey, it's kind of funny, guys. You know this plane tracker, you know they got the plane tracker.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I had my director of operations.

[Ed Orgeron]

He was, he would check the plane tracker, right? And at first the plane was going.

[Jeremy Klump]

All over the place.

[Ed Orgeron]

Then we start winning, start winning. He goes, hey, plane tracker ain't going nowhere this week, bro. Keep the plane at home, man.

[Host 1]

Keep the plane at home.

[Jeremy Klump]

So we play in Florida, right?

[Host 2]

That's funny. That's funny that we. Plane tracker stuff.

[Jeremy Klump]

Florida.

Florida, get it. And look, although being from Louisiana, I knew Alabama was a rival, but I.

[Ed Orgeron]

Didn'T know how bad the Florida Gators and the LSU Tigers hate each other. So just like Notre Dame and Miami in the tunnel, we fought against Notre Dame. We were out of our minds. We didn't play well. We lost the game. Not an excuse, but we just. It just.

[Jeremy Klump]

When you fight before the game, you.

[Ed Orgeron]

Know, you're just not in the right mindset.

[Jeremy Klump]

So Tommy Moffat, who's a strength coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

At Texas A and M doing a great job, comes to me, said, coach, you got to get out of here, man. Your whole team's fighting. I said, what? So we get out there, man, I mean, they're fighting with Florida. I mean, it's at home. And those guys, you know how they were all getting fights, man, you're just not in your right mind. So we go out there, we play our Worst game. We should have beat the dog out of Florida. Fumbles. Mistake was get down to fourth and one.

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay?

[Ed Orgeron]

We win this game, they're gonna hire me in the dressing room at lsu.

[Host 1]

You know this, or you're assuming this? Been told by the third party. Third party.

[Jeremy Klump]

The third party. Third T. Boy.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

People have now become important, right?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So.

[Ed Orgeron]

And it wasn't about beat Florida. So we call a timeout, and we run this play called pylon. And I have this wonderful player named Darius Geis, who's a man.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Went to Washington, they're from.

[Ed Orgeron]

Right. A man now. Tough. And so we. Pylon is. We're gonna. We're gonna go to the left, we're gonna suck everybody in, and then we're gonna hook the outside guy, and Darius is gonna run to the pile up.

Gonna be a touchdown. Walk in. It's fourth and less than 1, right?

But we're on the sideline. And I learned it's a head coach. Coach after this, make your assistants tell everybody the play and which.

[Jeremy Klump]

What to do.

[Ed Orgeron]

That didn't get done. Okay, dog, I take the responsibility. Darius went the wrong way. Florida stops us.

Oh, my God. I've been living in a. In a hotel on campus. I wasn't gonna let go the rope. I woke up the next morning, my stomach was killing me, man. God.

[Jeremy Klump]

I was in a ball, screaming, yelling, God, darn it. Pissed, man.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, my director of operations called me, said, hey, I just talked to Joe, athletic director.

[Jeremy Klump]

We still got a chance.

[Ed Orgeron]

Well, he was smart. He wants to keep me going.

[Jeremy Klump]

We're playing. We were playing Texas A and M for Thanksgiving Day, right? So we meeting on Sunday. So we got a team meeting. Everybody's down, you know. And here comes Darius. He got a hoodie over his head. He was the last one to get in. I took that freaking hoodie off, I grabbed him, and I said, I love you. It's my fault. I didn't teach you good enough. Really, Coach? I said, yeah, I should have coached you better, son. I said, I'm gonna tell you what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna give you the ball against Texas A and M, and you gonna run all over that ass there.

[Ed Orgeron]

There's pepper and stuff, right?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, okay. I went in there, you guys played.

[Ed Orgeron]

Y' all get this.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, guys, it's Thanksgiving week. We fixing to go whip A and M's ass. No pads the whole week. They forgot we lost the game. They went crazy, man.

He forgot we Played the day before, man. Walk throughs, no pads, kept them fresh. Man 1 so we get on the plane.

[Ed Orgeron]

You guys know how it is. You get on a plane, right? You gonna play it A and M. You feel them? Man, I feel like I'm going to fight with my buddies, man. I'm ready. Whoop the ass. I know it's gonna be good.

[Jeremy Klump]

So there's all kind of rumors going on, right? So you know you guys have what's.

[Ed Orgeron]

Called a sixth sense, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

You can feel stuff right now. Look, I made a 10 on my act, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

I don't want none of you, but always be too impressed back there, you know, that's after my third time taking, you know me. But God has given me.

[Ed Orgeron]

God has given me a situational awareness factor in my life that I can figure out, you know what I'm saying? So we're feeling good, man. We're going to go kick their ass, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Get off the bus. We had an hour drive and all of a sudden when we get off.

[Ed Orgeron]

The bus, we had this place as big resort start. And I see little factions of people.

What'S going on, man? Then my ex wife said, and I promised myself that I was going to focus on getting this head job till.

[Jeremy Klump]

The last freaking second.

[Ed Orgeron]

I wasn't going to let go. I'm going to get this job.

[Jeremy Klump]

I won't go let nothing get me by.

So we'll go to meetings.

[Ed Orgeron]

You still the same thing.

[Jeremy Klump]

Little factions of people just you tell something's going on.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I go home, my ex wife.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, she goes out to dinner.

[Jeremy Klump]

She goes, well, guess it's all over, huh? What do you mean?

[Ed Orgeron]

They offer the job to Jimbo Fisher tonight. I said, no, Joe wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do it without telling me.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, I had a guy on my staff that had worked with Jimbo Fisher. Fisher, he was hiring and firing people on my staff behind my back. Oh, yeah. Hey, you going to stay? No.

[Ed Orgeron]

You ain't going to stand you.

[Jeremy Klump]

I mean, and everybody was trying to get a job with him. This is the night before the game. And I'm like, okay. But you know what Coach Carol taught me, Eddie?

[Ed Orgeron]

Never let them know they got you. Don't tell them. Give them power. So the next day, remember I said, I'm going to go for the end the next day date in the hotel. Same stuff's going, don't pay attention.

[Jeremy Klump]

So we go to the game. Now I want you bar remember some coacho, okay?

Go to the game, we're going To A and M. Now it's rocking and all that, right? We. I know, we going to kick the dog out of them, all right? Now, your boss, okay, Your boss, we'll bet the hide from you, okay? He'll bet to give you the smile. And he won't bet to tell you what's really going on through his face. But the wife can never lie, okay? So Joe's wife and I, Annie, a little Italian lady, we go to fcc.

[Ed Orgeron]

Deal. She loved me. I'd have a laugh and we'd joke. And she wanted me to be the head coach, and so did Joe.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I go in, right, right before the game, you know, everybody's fired up.

[Ed Orgeron]

Joke. I'm shake my hand.

[Jeremy Klump]

Here we go, man. And I look at Annie, his wife, and here's the look.

Look, I went, oh, I'm in trouble, man.

I mean, you tell, it's over, you know? I mean, something's going on. So we win the toss. And we usually win the toss. We play defense, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Huh?

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, ezmega, take the ball and give it to Geist.

[Ed Orgeron]

What I told him was Sunday.

[Host 1]

Yeah, you didn't give him the ball.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm gonna give you the ball, boy. We had 635 yards of total offense on those guys. We put an ass whipping on them. You hear me? A guy's supposed to have so many yards.

[Host 1]

So anyway, Darius guys had 285 yards of rushing and four touchdowns. A single game rushing record at LSU.

[Host 2]

Filling in for an injured Leonard Fornette.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, no pads, baby.

[Host 1]

Right, exactly.

[Jeremy Klump]

So look, boys are bouncing around, man.

[Ed Orgeron]

And look, I gave him the ball. And look, look. 54 to 39.

[Jeremy Klump]

Anyway, so in the locker room, man, everybody's happy.

[Ed Orgeron]

All right? So we get on the plane and.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, when them alumni, you guys don't know. Anyway, well, I'm not hitting you in the back like that.

[Ed Orgeron]

You got to be careful.

[Jeremy Klump]

They're coming right there to you. One guy, you know, I mean, that's what he coming next, right? So look.

Derek, my director of operations.

[Ed Orgeron]

Right, is sitting in front of me, and this guy goes up behind.

[Jeremy Klump]

He goes, hey, man, too bad.

[Ed Orgeron]

You made a good run at it.

Know what to tell. But I didn't.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I look in the front and everybody's happy. And this guy that.

Had a lot of information for me through the back door was like this.

[Ed Orgeron]

What's wrong?

[Jeremy Klump]

Something wrong? So anyway, next day we meet. We got guys, we got. We've been working on this shit binders. I mean, we got a whole program Ready to go. And we get a call. We meet with Joe Oliva. This is my interview, right? So Derek and Austin's coming with me. And we got. We walking. We walking right near Tiger State, and we get a call, hey, Joe's about.

[Ed Orgeron]

To offer y' all a job, man. What? We walking there with a pepper step. I'm sitting here. Derek's sitting here. Austin's sitting there.

[Jeremy Klump]

Joel's going to sit there. We have our binders, man. We all set. Joe comes in.

[Ed Orgeron]

He's looking like. Like, what is going on? He sits there and say, joe, here's all my. He pushes the binders aside.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now, this is. This is like eight, three months of work, you know, by everybody in the office.

[Ed Orgeron]

Push him aside, Guys, look, I'll be honest with you. I'm talking to Tom Herbert night.

I said, well, last night.

Two nights ago, is Jimbo Fisher.

Tom Herman's night tonight. Be all day tomorrow, baby.

[Jeremy Klump]

I wasn't going to let go of the rope, right? So I kicked Derek and Austin. I said, y' all got to leave.

[Ed Orgeron]

Throw out of here.

[Jeremy Klump]

I pull my chair to Joe, who I love, to this day, I love. And I said, joe, now, look, I'm.

[Ed Orgeron]

Hitting him right here, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Joe, you know damn well in your heart, in your belly, I'm the best.

[Ed Orgeron]

Man for the LSU Tigers.

[Jeremy Klump]

I look forward to being the next head coach at lsu.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I walked out of it. Oh, what did I just do?

[Jeremy Klump]

Did I hit him too hard? You know what I mean? I blew it.

[Ed Orgeron]

I said.

[Jeremy Klump]

I told him.

[Ed Orgeron]

I said, coach, I'm getting Lane Kiffin to come with me. Joe, I'm getting Lane Kiffin. He's gonna leave Alabama. He's gonna come here.

And so.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I started calling. I wasn't gonna let go. I was going back to my home. I moved out the hotel.

[Ed Orgeron]

It was over, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

So I'm going. My home in Mandeville, we having Thanksgiving dinner because, you know, we played him on Thanksgiving Day. Now, how fired up you think I am to have Thanksgiving dinner? I mean, I got the red ass, man.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm like, God.

[Jeremy Klump]

Oh, man. So after dinner, guess who's starting to wash the dishes? Me. So I went. I went. I went from being the head coach in other shields. I got a pile of dishes in front of me going, what just happened? I just lost the USC job. Now. I lost this job. Are you shitting me, man?

[Host 1]

Out there scrubbing the. Out of those dishes.

Hey, not one person had that thing said Thanksgiving dinner had any white turkey. That was all coachos.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, no, no. And a side note, you know, I just don't get this stuff. I'm not a, you know, I'm not in the house putting stuff in the dishwasher. Okay? Now I don't want to make a, a bad statement here, but most people have been around push the stuff in the dishwasher. They don't realize there's two steps. You got to take it out.

Where's our dishwasher is dishwasher. Hey, babe, two steps, right?

We drinking forks out the dishwasher for a week anyway.

[Ed Orgeron]

So.

[Jeremy Klump]

So.

[Host 1]

So you're mad as you're scrubbing the out these dishes.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'm washing the freaking cranberry sauce.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Everyone being kind of nice to you.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. Yeah. So. So I go to bed that night.

[Ed Orgeron]

Night. And the ticker.

[Jeremy Klump]

Tom Herman will be the next head coach of the LSU Tigers. So my ex wife comes to bet.

[Ed Orgeron]

And she goes, now she had premonition to him. Remember she told me God had a better plan on the plane. And now.

She said, why are you looking so sad?

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, baby, just look at the tv. Tom Herman is going to be.

[Host 1]

Be.

[Jeremy Klump]

He goes, no, he won't. You're going to wake up tomorrow morning. I swear to God. She told me, you're going to wake up tomorrow morning. You going to be the next head coach, LSU Tiger.

[Ed Orgeron]

How much have you drank? What you.

[Jeremy Klump]

What's up? So I'm going go work out. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Can't do the two steps in the dishes.

[Jeremy Klump]

But she, she can see what the.

[Host 1]

Going on the next day.

[Jeremy Klump]

She can see future professor.

Get the crazy.

[Host 2]

Go. Joe's listening to his wife, thinking, lady, you don't know what that it's on the tv.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, that he's getting out.

[Host 1]

No, he's not. That's crazy.

[Jeremy Klump]

All right, well, I hate to say it. Most of my girlfriends didn't take the stuff out that this was. I don't know why. But anyway, must be me. It just must be me. Anyway, so check this out, man. Talking about Lane Kim and all this stuff. So, you know, keep our phone inside the bed.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm gonna wake up at 7:30, I'm.

[Jeremy Klump]

Gonna walk out the of Frankel.

[Ed Orgeron]

Here I am without job.

[Jeremy Klump]

All of a sudden it's all over tv, right? So Kiffin, you know he's with Sexton.

[Ed Orgeron]

He gets all the scoop, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

I get, I get a text at 1:30.

[Ed Orgeron]

Tom Herman is leaning to go to Texas. I'm like, you kind of have a.

He's up at 1:30.

[Jeremy Klump]

Anyway, so I get a hey.

[Ed Orgeron]

I.

[Jeremy Klump]

Tell you a story.

[Ed Orgeron]

My wife said, I'm wake up next day me the head cons, okay? So I get a call, five o' clock in the morning is Joe Ala. Well, I missed the damn thing.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I called him. I said, joe, he said, eddie, how you doing? Great. He said, can you be lu an hour? I said, hell yeah, baby.

[Ed Orgeron]

Man, I'm like, you know, now sleeping the news. I'm putting stuff on.

[Jeremy Klump]

I don't even know his hat. Hey, man, I didn't even know if I had to put underwear on and go in the bathroom.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm old, baby.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, look, I'm going down. I'm going down. I got a Tahoe with a T top on it, right? And man, I'm going as far as I can, as hard. I'm going to 120 down the interstate playing Barn on the bayou, baby. I'm coming, baby.

[Ed Orgeron]

And all of a sudden I get the Hammond about halfway. I said they didn't offer me the job.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'd been screwed before. So I call somebody. I said, they want to meet me at 7:30. Said, I don't think they're gonna tell.

[Ed Orgeron]

You you don't have the job.

[Jeremy Klump]

I think they don't tell you got the job. So I get there and there's a big tiger in front of the office, right? Joe's standing there, man, I come on.

[Ed Orgeron]

A song, two wheel, open the door.

[Jeremy Klump]

He goes, well, you want the job or not, man? I grabbed your bear hugger. Yeah, yeah. He goes, put me down, you big son of a gun. Right there in front of the tiger, man. Put me down. I'm squeezing him. So we go up there and he.

[Ed Orgeron]

Goes, I got to tell you something, coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

He goes, goes, man, I went to.

[Ed Orgeron]

Go to bed last night.

[Jeremy Klump]

He said, my stomach was killing me, man. He said, you remember when you told me you hit me right there and you said, you know in your heart and your belly, I'm the best man. Fell as you. He said, I felted, man, my stomach was in a knot. I said, I put that Cajun gree.

[Ed Orgeron]

Gri on your ass, boy.

[Jeremy Klump]

And away we went, man, get. God damn, what a story, man. Hey, but you know what about competing?

[Ed Orgeron]

I had some great people around me about competing this time to the very end. I wasn't going to let that USC thing happen to me again. It would.

[Jeremy Klump]

It wouldn't have been that I didn't try hard enough. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 1]

Held the rope the entire time.

[Jeremy Klump]

Held the rope. I was let go the rope.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And Also, you and usc, it's like. I could see it, but, like, you and LSU personality. I can't imagine you in LA doing a press conference as opposed to.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, yeah, I had a better plan. Go Tigers. Your white is right, 15 0. Now y' all want to get to the Joe Bar recruitment?

[Host 2]

Well, yeah, here's what I was gonna say. How you get Joey B from Joe.

[Host 1]

Jamar, all these guys we all talked about, right?

[Host 2]

In your first. Your first official year as the head coach, that's when you go 10 and 3 before you go 15 and 0.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, we went. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we went 10, three. But pull that up real quick.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. What was the record?

[Host 1]

Because I thought I saw you. What happened the third year you won the national Championship.

[Jeremy Klump]

That's right. Let's see what I went the at 12 years. I think the first year was 94. I think this ne next year. What? First year we're what, 94. The next year we're 10 and 3. Right.

[Host 2]

Okay, so your first year was set.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because dice was 16. Yeah. 17.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Host 1]

Now, were you sweat? I know you had the job for a year, but 20, 17, not Ford. LSU. That's not okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

What? They wanted to hang me off the bridge in Baton Rouge. Yeah. I lost Detroit State, Alabama.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

They were not happy.

[Jeremy Klump]

The next we had a leadership committee. I had a team meeting.

[Ed Orgeron]

I told him, now, you know this ain't gonna cut it, man. If y' all don't want to do it my way, leave now. I go for any coach, any player. And they all stayed. And I had a good, good, good group.

[Jeremy Klump]

But we went to Florida. And word was if we lost to Florida, I wasn't going to make the plane ride back. That's all you got to tell me now.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

All right. Okay. Which one you some ain't going to.

[Ed Orgeron]

Let me on the plane.

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay. So the night before we stayed in.

[Ed Orgeron]

Ocala, I told we going to win tomorrow night, boss. That in your mind, we fix to kick these boys ass, we're gonna win.

[Jeremy Klump]

So.

You know, Florida has a great.

[Ed Orgeron]

It was at 2:30, it was hot as hell.

[Jeremy Klump]

But you remember the year before we had fought? Remember I told you we fought?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

I didn't let players go out without their coaches. Didn't let them fight. Kept their cool, was hot. We went back in, and that was.

[Jeremy Klump]

The first time they played Tom Petty. Ain't no Easy Way Out.

[Ed Orgeron]

I freaking love that song.

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay? And look, it's tied going into the fourth quarter.

[Ed Orgeron]

It.

[Jeremy Klump]

It's a CBS game. Everybody, everybody in the world knows I lose this game. I ain't wearing purple and gold, man. F I get out on the field.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm on the 30, the numbers and the. The whole crowd is screaming, ain't no easy way out.

[Jeremy Klump]

Bring it. Bring it, you son of a gun.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I looked out Trainer Jack and I just look up. That's it.

[Jeremy Klump]

We knew it was not cutting time.

[Ed Orgeron]

So anyway.

[Jeremy Klump]

Anyway, I play like we kicked their ass, right? The field. The extra point kicker. The field goal kicker was perfect in all his career and missed the extra point.

[Ed Orgeron]

We won 17, 16, I think.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. Yeah, I walked on that.

[Ed Orgeron]

I walked on that plane like a peacock.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, baby. I made the plane, boy. But look, that was. That was the turning point right there.

[Ed Orgeron]

That was the turning point on football team.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now, I needed a quarterback. We had spring ball. I had Jamar, I had Justin. I'll tell you the recruiting story about that. But the quarterback is the guy you got to have. So we have spring practice on tv, remember? Now, they don't want spring ball anymore because guys are poaching each other and all that. But we had on tv, you know.

[Ed Orgeron]

We didn't know nothing about that.

[Jeremy Klump]

So my son Cody is playing quarterback at McNee State.

[Ed Orgeron]

He called me, said, dad, I saw y' all scrimmage. Your quarterbacks suck. I said, I know.

[Jeremy Klump]

He goes, you better get a new quarterback. I know.

[Ed Orgeron]

And he said, coach, there's a guy named Joe Burrow at Ohio State that is transferring.

[Jeremy Klump]

You ought to look into him. So I walk out in the hall.

[Ed Orgeron]

The guys are grinning the tape.

[Jeremy Klump]

I say, anybody know a guy named Joe Burrow?

[Ed Orgeron]

And Bill Bush was on my staff.

[Jeremy Klump]

Hey, Coach, I was there. I was there in the recruitment of Joe. He said, coach, we get Joe Burrow, we're going to college. Football players say, go get Joe Burrow. No, Joe comes on a visit. Now, Joe was going to Cincinnati. Luke Fickle was the head coach there, recruited Joe. Gerald's girlfriend was going to Cincinnati.

Joe's daddy. Coach, about an hour away from there.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

So all the things that. Joe knew it.

[Ed Orgeron]

And they promised him he was going to be a starter.

[Jeremy Klump]

So Joe comes on a visit with his mom and daddy, great people. And the first thing he tell me, hey, Joe, how you doing? Coach, I don't want to talk to you.

[Ed Orgeron]

What I know how to play.

[Jeremy Klump]

He goes, coach, I know you're a great recruiter. All I want to do is talk football and eat crawfish.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm saying to myself, man, if I didn't need a quarterback so bad. I'd put that song going to ass.

[Jeremy Klump]

On a plane right now. So bad. Yeah, okay, Joe. That's all, I think so. The next day we had a football meeting.

[Ed Orgeron]

There's about 12 of us there. His daddy, Jerry Sullivan, guys that have been in the NFL.

[Jeremy Klump]

It took me five minutes to figure out, Remember what Jimmy Johnson told me?

[Ed Orgeron]

What's the first thing? First degree.

[Jeremy Klump]

Smart quarterback. Joe was the smartest guy in the room, including me. Included all the coaches, including his mama. I'm not my mama. His daddy and everybody. And that was.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay, me.

[Jeremy Klump]

So we went through the. We went through the day, and then we go to a restaurant, all right? Joe wants to eat crawfish, right? So we get there. My own campus recruiting coordinator comes up.

[Ed Orgeron]

There, coach, they ain't got no crawfish.

[Jeremy Klump]

My good friend Charles Bagler, who's there today, he said, coach, you got to be able to think on your feet.

On act, right?

I said, call my friend Boudreaux. Tell him to cook some crawfish. He always got crawfish. Tell him to bring it through the kitchen, put it on the tray that says the restaurant we at, and serve it to Joe. I'll be there. 30 minutes. What we got? Hot crawfish for Joe, right? Joe's eating crawfish.

[Ed Orgeron]

And, man, everybody knew.

[Jeremy Klump]

What's up, Joe?

[Ed Orgeron]

There it is right there.

[Jeremy Klump]

Potatoes in the corn.

[Ed Orgeron]

See all the stuff, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

So anyway, so you know, in any good sales, and you guys know this, but about what you do here, there's always a crack in the door, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

Right.

[Jeremy Klump]

But you got to sense that crack. You got to seize it. If the crack's not there. Wait, wait. There going to be a crack in the door. And, man, I went up to him.

[Ed Orgeron]

And here's what his answer.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, joe, I want to talk to you.

[Ed Orgeron]

He went, yes, sir. I knew it.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I took him outside. This might have been the most important talk I ever had in all my life. We're in the parking lot, okay? Gravels, you know, rope pits him. The dust is coming.

[Host 1]

What restaurant is this?

[Jeremy Klump]

Mike Anderson's restaurant.

[Host 1]

Mike Anderson, Restaurant One.

[Jeremy Klump]

A place we always went to, okay? And I said, joe, if you tell anybody about this conversation, it never happened. So I don't know what the hell you talking about. I said, joe, I don't get you.

[Ed Orgeron]

They going to fire me.

[Jeremy Klump]

I get you.

[Ed Orgeron]

We're going to win the national championship.

[Jeremy Klump]

That's how important you are to me. Okay? There you go, right there. And we're in the parking Lot.

[Host 1]

In that parking lot.

[Jeremy Klump]

Oh, yeah, to the left.

[Host 1]

And so you're telling this kid, if, if you don't come here, I will not have a job. But if you do, we want to win it all.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now there's three quarterbacks ahead of you. I'm going to put you on the fourth team and you're going to earn your way in front of the football team. But Joe, I know these quarterbacks. They're good, but they're not as good as you. You.

[Ed Orgeron]

I ain't seen a damn liquor film on the son of God. You hear me?

[Jeremy Klump]

I was just going on. On what I heard.

[Ed Orgeron]

Right? Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

And I saw in that meeting. Right. You know what I mean? Gotta take a shot, baby. You gotta take a shot, baby. Hey, hey, you know Inter. What that Eminem?

[Ed Orgeron]

Eminem got one shot, baby.

[Jeremy Klump]

Got a great song, huh? Sweating, huh? Spaghetti, throw up all over the place. Got heartbeat. You forget the word, huh? You got one shot, you gotta take that song, right? Man, I can hear that. Something get fired up, boy. That was me out there. So I said, listen, outside of a.

[Host 1]

Restaurant, guys playing Lose Yourself by Eminem just like, I gotta get this 20 year old. If I don't get this 20 year old, I'm dead.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'm dead.

[Host 1]

So what's, what's his facial expression? What's his response when you say, I don't get you, I'm getting fired?

[Jeremy Klump]

You could tell when you tell somebody, it's like, aha.

[Ed Orgeron]

Moment I saw that look in his eye. I know that look. I hit home right now.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, now you're going to come are in your way. But I know you're better than them Now, Joe, by the way, I have two pretty good receivers. One's name is Jamar Chase and one name is Justin Jefferson. You don't know about him yet, but you're going to love them.

[Ed Orgeron]

He looked up and said, okay, coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

So the next day we have a recruiting meeting. You guys been there it the Sunday's a business day to me.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now.

[Jeremy Klump]

Sunday is, you know, you're nice, you're nice, you're nice.

[Ed Orgeron]

Then let's go. Robert H. What we have. So we have a little, little deal, just Joe and his parents and all of a coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

And Joe goes, well, I'm going home and I'm not going to talk to anybody till Thursday.

[Ed Orgeron]

Thursday.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now you think my ass is gonna wait till Thursday?

[Ed Orgeron]

No.

[Jeremy Klump]

No way.

[Ed Orgeron]

Right?

[Jeremy Klump]

So they leave. So we have a little vote. All the coaches, all the coaches. Why we have fun with her. Where's Joe? Going Cincinnati.

[Ed Orgeron]

My ass is going Cincinnati.

[Jeremy Klump]

We're gonna find a way, boys. Well, Coach, he's not talking to anybody.

[Ed Orgeron]

I don't want to hear that.

[Jeremy Klump]

So on this trip, I made good friends with his brother Dan. Now, Dan is very talkative. Joe is not. We laugh, we joke. So I said, derek, call Dan. I'll call him on Monday morning. You guys have heard the story, right? You guys have heard this so many times. Dan, where you think Joe ought to go? Well, Coach, is his decision. Dan, shut the F. Up.

[Ed Orgeron]

Up.

[Jeremy Klump]

D. Nothing wrong with Cincinnati, Dan. Cincinnati or lsu, Dan, he's going to win the Heisman here. He's going to win. He going to be a first round draft driver. We going in there. I know, coach. I know, Coach, I know. But it's his. I said, dan. I said, dan, do you love your brother? He goes, yes, I do. I said, how much a month? I said, dan, take your hands and put it down your pants, son. I said, squeeze them damn things. Make sure you got two. He said, coach, I'm squeezing, I'm squeezing. Squeeze hard. I'm. If you got two, you going to call your brother and you going to tell him to come to lsu. So he was my third party call the whole week, right? We tell this story all the time. It's true story. I mean, I think you actually was squeezing them, right?

Hey, got to find out. You got two, right?

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Let's go, babe.

[Ed Orgeron]

So.

He called Joe every day without.

[Jeremy Klump]

Joe know we're talking to them now. Joe says the thing, and that wasn't the deciding factor, but at least I felt good enough that my ass wasn't.

[Ed Orgeron]

Waiting till Thursday, you know, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

So out the booth, hit a call.

[Ed Orgeron]

Joe Burrow.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know this is all or nothing, right, guys? All or nothing, right? Yo, been in business deals that help y' all get over the top. He goes, coach, I won't be a Tiger. What? Yes, baby. Here we go, man. Here we go. And look.

[Ed Orgeron]

So we get going, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

So Joe comes with Tommy Moffat in the street.

[Ed Orgeron]

Something the first day. Now, I got three quarterbacks ahead of them. And these quarterbacks, they got the locker room. You know how they got.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah, they got these guys.

[Host 1]

Joe's an outsider.

[Jeremy Klump]

Joe's an outsider. They got these guys convinced that they're the guy.

[Ed Orgeron]

I knew in my heart that this was not.

Beneficial for us to win a championship. That he was, because the type of quarterback he was.

[Jeremy Klump]

So. So Joe gets out there, we're running.

[Ed Orgeron]

One tenth, he wins every one of them. It ain't even close.

After that, Foster Morrow, who.

[Host 2]

Yeah, we know Foster. Friend of the show.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah. Foster hosted Joe on the. On his recruiting. Him and Foster went through a pass together, and the whole team was with. Rightfully so. Not a quarterback throwing pass.

[Jeremy Klump]

Joe, that summer, remember, I wasn't there every day, but every day I was.

[Ed Orgeron]

He wasn't even close. He was not going to lose a 110.

[Jeremy Klump]

He was not going to lose anything.

[Ed Orgeron]

You saw the competitive desire.

[Jeremy Klump]

The other guys were trying.

[Ed Orgeron]

They couldn't. And before you knew it, he won the locker room. Before you know it, the whole team was thrown together at the end, and there was no am animosity towards Joe.

[Jeremy Klump]

So we get into.

Two days right now. I'm training four quarterbacks right now. We open up with the University of Miami in Jerry World at Dallas. So we get about two weeks and.

[Ed Orgeron]

We say, look, man, we got to cut it. We got two guys get trained.

[Jeremy Klump]

I had the coaches grade every drill, right?

Joe won every drill.

[Ed Orgeron]

Joe was going every drill.

[Jeremy Klump]

But.

When I. We told all the coaches.

No, we told our quarterback that we need to start training, too, and that Joe and.

[Ed Orgeron]

Miles was going to be the first two quarterbacks. Oh, hell broke loose.

[Jeremy Klump]

One guy transferred, the next guy didn't come to practice.

[Ed Orgeron]

And, man, it was a dark cloud. The players didn't want to practice. It was bad.

[Jeremy Klump]

So the next day, we had to have a player leadership committee. All right? And those were all guys that I had recruited. And they said, coach, you're wrong.

Joe's not the starting quarterback. He's not the best quarterback. This guy is obviously the guy they believe. And he was a good quarterback. He did some good things. So I finally had to put the grades down.

[Ed Orgeron]

I finally put it. I went around, I looked at everyone.

I said, I recruited you, right? I went to your house, right? I said, I'm gonna treat you like my son. Right? Have I done that? Yes. So, yeah, I said, you think I'd do anything a little bit stern of what? To hurt you? To hurt this football team? It's my job to make the decision. It's your job to play. I know Joe Burrow will win us to the championship. Okay? You got to believe me. You know what they said, Coach? Oh, you're right.

[Jeremy Klump]

We think the other guy better be a quarterback.

[Ed Orgeron]

But we're going to trust you, coach. And they went in there and they told the team, we trust coaches decision, and we're going to follow you. And bam. And away we went.

[Jeremy Klump]

That might have been, but the meeting in the parking lot and the meeting with the leadership committee. And they, they, they. The ones that. The leadership committee took it to the.

[Ed Orgeron]

Team and said, hey, we're going to.

[Jeremy Klump]

Back up Joe and we're going.

[Ed Orgeron]

And that's.

[Host 2]

How did anything come about when his first game, he goes 11 for 24 and only throws for 140.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know what? Be honest and he'll tell you this. Joe got better.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now, Joe hadn't played in three years.

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay, Joe got better. And thank God, you know, think about this.

[Ed Orgeron]

He graduated in three years.

[Jeremy Klump]

All state basketball player, all state football player. Mother was a principal, daddy was a coach. Great character, great. All that, that. But he had played in three years. So he graduated in three years.

[Ed Orgeron]

Thank God we had him for two his first year.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now he got better as went on.

[Ed Orgeron]

And then we went through a spread and he started to go, but he got better. Give it to him.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, he's one of the best of all time. But I'm wondering if you had that leadership meeting to where you're like, this is the guy we're going with. Everybody's against it. You have the first game against Miami, he only does 140. And surprised some of the guys, like, look, we're trying to.

[Jeremy Klump]

But you know what? He audible to play on four down.

[Ed Orgeron]

That'll help us win the game.

[Jeremy Klump]

Game.

[Ed Orgeron]

And they knew it. And it was kind of like.

[Jeremy Klump]

But everybody saw it. But later on, we beat Georgia.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now, we. Georgia was ranked number two in the country that year. And we went for four to 15 times. And we beat the dog out of Georgia that year. And that was Joe's major, first major win at lsu. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Coming out party.

[Host 1]

That was a. That was a 10 and three year, correct? Yes, 10 and three year.

[Jeremy Klump]

Let me say something about that.

[Ed Orgeron]

10 and three year.

[Jeremy Klump]

We're playing and.

[Ed Orgeron]

UCF, they're undefeated. They're very good.

[Jeremy Klump]

And we be getting beat. 14 nothing. It's 11 o' clock game, we ain't awake.

[Ed Orgeron]

It's like.

[Jeremy Klump]

And they pumped to play the Tigers, right? And all of a sudden, Joe throws an interception and this guy blindsides him.

[Ed Orgeron]

And targets him, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

And Joe's on all four. I don't know the guy that hit him. Look at right there. The guy spit on him. That guy right there is from New.

[Ed Orgeron]

Orleans and spit on Joe, Okay? The team saw it.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, miles, get ready. Joe stood up. F that. I ain't coming out.

[Ed Orgeron]

We commenced to kicking these boys ass. And Joy never lost another game in LSU before that moment right there made Joe borrow right now he wasn't coming out. Know me. He wasn't coming out. We commit to kicking their ass. That was his mom moment right now.

[Host 1]

God damn. They kind of juiced me up hearing that.

[Jeremy Klump]

That was his moment where the team finally said, you know what? Here's our guy.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, here's our guy.

[Host 1]

His senior day when he jogs out of the tunnel and his last name is spelled eaux. What would how bad first off? So like understanding your crowd, your fan base, changing it like that, like it's. It's very impressive. And it's one of those things where like everybody's an LSU fan in that moment. Watching that happen, happen. What did he talk to you about that before? Who like or did you kind of get surprised by it?

[Ed Orgeron]

He asked Derek.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, here's what happened.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know we're going so well. I gave him the keys. Yo use a leader. You tell me what y' all want. Not I want. No no. Like that.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know me. But on little things while I was in the side. On the side. What should we do not do go to movie. Not go to movie.

[Ed Orgeron]

I let Joe decide and he went to Derek said I coach you if I could put eaux. He was his own thoughts. That goes to show you the showmanship that he has.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know, a lot of. A lot of great players, great coaches can compartmentalize.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm sure you guys can do that.

[Jeremy Klump]

You can put one thing in your.

[Ed Orgeron]

Mind, focus on it. If you have to change go to.

[Jeremy Klump]

There and come back.

[Ed Orgeron]

He does. He done it with the best of they went crazy.

[Jeremy Klump]

You talk about. You talk about capture the state of.

[Ed Orgeron]

Louisiana and I think we beat Texas A15 nothing that night.

[Host 1]

Beat the out of them Beat him.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I mean 150 Bro Eaux is such a badass move. That's so badass.

[Jeremy Klump]

Almost as good as the cigar.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

He kind of started that too, right?

[Ed Orgeron]

They. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Yeah. What do you guys still keep. Keep up with each other.

[Ed Orgeron]

If I text Joey it text back in a minute. Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

But you know what?

[Ed Orgeron]

I'm not going to call those guys and mess with him.

[Jeremy Klump]

All right. Jamar Chase.

[Ed Orgeron]

All right.

[Jeremy Klump]

Jamar Chase is committed to he back then couple of different commits.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know what I'm saying? And that's one of my favorite moments right there. You know I told him I'll take it easy on that cigar board next day press conference. Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

I told my ex wife now I said that right there is going be.

[Ed Orgeron]

To be a moment caught in time. And it sure was.

[Jeremy Klump]

But anyway, Jamar Chase was Committed. But this time he was committed to Florida. But he came to camp. If daddy was there and his mama.

[Ed Orgeron]

Mr. Leo was there, who I love, okay?

[Jeremy Klump]

Mickey Joseph was recruiting, who I love.

[Ed Orgeron]

Great recruit.

[Jeremy Klump]

But the staff before, and Jamar's big.

[Ed Orgeron]

I can see it, but I wouldn't have done it.

[Jeremy Klump]

Told Jamar he had to play cornerback.

[Ed Orgeron]

Can you imagine? You know what you.

[Jeremy Klump]

The mom said, no.

[Ed Orgeron]

There you go. No, it ain't happening. We ain't going to lsu.

[Jeremy Klump]

So he runs a Sluggo slant, go against one of our best players, our best recruits, almost break his ankle.

[Ed Orgeron]

Cornerback. And I looked at his daddy and.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, over my dead body. Jamar Chase is going to Florida.

[Ed Orgeron]

He said, because you got to get the mama.

[Jeremy Klump]

So we worked hard, making him work hard.

[Ed Orgeron]

Anyway, we end up getting Jamar Chase.

[Jeremy Klump]

Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson comes to camp, does the same thing. We got best players against best.

[Host 1]

He's a two star recruit, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Two star recruit, yes, sir. 160 pounds soaking wet.

[Ed Orgeron]

But both of his brothers played at LSU. Okay, so he does a good, good job in camp, man. We said, wait a minute, now. This boy's in the state of Louisiana.

[Jeremy Klump]

See, I used to tell our guys, trust your own evaluation. Evaluation don't give it as well. Alabama offered them, we got off them. Bullshit. That stuff will get you fired. Let's trust our own evaluation. So I go down to his school.

[Ed Orgeron]

Me and his coach been known each other for a long time. My nickname, baby. I said, coach, we'll offer Justin Scott. She goes, baby, y' all feel good about him, huh? You played out. Sure. I said, coach, you did some real good things for us. Course he goes, you know, I don't know if he's going to be eligible for signing day, but he can do some work and maybe we can get for the summer.

[Jeremy Klump]

I said, who else is offering the Nicholl State?

[Ed Orgeron]

And they played in a run, run, run offense and stuff like that. So they couldn't see that.

[Jeremy Klump]

So he got out.

[Ed Orgeron]

I got eligible in. In July, Justin. Just.

Golly.

[Host 2]

And then just seeing that machine come alive during that 15, 0 run. Like.

Last type of talent, bro.

[Host 1]

Dude. I mean, arguably the best offense to ever step on the field.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Jeremy Klump]

So Steve is making one of my best friends in general. We won 80% our games with Steve.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay, Great, great guy. Love him. He's like John Wayne, man. He's a good guy. He handles in the office. That needs to be handled. But we didn't score any points against Alabama. 2000.

[Jeremy Klump]

Maybe 17. So in 2018, we were studying the RPOs, so we brought a young guy named Joe Brady, who was an intern at the Saints but had been at Penn State with the guy.

[Ed Orgeron]

I forget his name. He was at Mississippi State, the head coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

But they were good at RPOs.

[Ed Orgeron]

Run past options.

[Jeremy Klump]

So Joe comes put up, gives our staff a lecture on run pass options again. Feeling the sct, right, boss. Situational awareness, baby. Huh? Do you understand what I'm saying? It took me five minutes to realize.

[Ed Orgeron]

Whoa, whoa, this guy's special.

[Jeremy Klump]

So.

I told Steve after we played Alabama. So, Steve, shout, when you had lsu, you got. How you gonna beat Alabama? You ain't gonna tell everybody how you gonna match them?

[Ed Orgeron]

Man, they were so dominant. I thought we had to get bigger, faster. I wasn't that. We needed to spread the ball out, and we need to get a quarterback. I got him now. We need to learn to spread offense. He knew it. I said, steve, if I hire Joe.

[Jeremy Klump]

Will you let him teach us to spread?

[Ed Orgeron]

He goes, hell, yeah. Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now, I just asked him right after. We didn't score a damn point against Alabama. So that was a teachable moment.

[Ed Orgeron]

Followers, right.

[Jeremy Klump]

Kind of humble. And we brought Joe in. Steve and Joe were wonderful.

[Ed Orgeron]

We went to the spread, we went to the lookovers, and we looked at the sideline. If Joe Brady caught you in a defense, and he told Joe Burrow what to do with those two cats we had had.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Ed Orgeron]

We burned so many people by athletic.

[Jeremy Klump]

Ability, great quarterback, great players, and we.

[Ed Orgeron]

Had a great offensive line and great coaches. It all came together.

[Host 2]

Yeah. When did. When did Joe Brady leave for Buffalo?

[Jeremy Klump]

He. Well, we went. We win the national championship, right?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now I don't partake. I don't go out no more.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, I've been. I've been Sober for almost 26 years now. Thank God.

[Jeremy Klump]

If I wasn't, the whole world would know.

[Ed Orgeron]

I promise y'. All.

[Jeremy Klump]

So everybody went out. Burglary.

[Host 2]

Right on that.

[Jeremy Klump]

So I had a press conference the next day. So I go to press conference, and then I get on the bus.

[Ed Orgeron]

Somebody. Joe Burrow's going, Joe Birdie's going to NFL.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'm like, can I just enjoy this stuff for one day? The next day he was gone. No, next day he was going, yep.

[Ed Orgeron]

Y.

[Host 1]

Damn.

[Host 2]

That's the game.

[Host 1]

That is the game. Like, you have success, they're going to take your assistant coaches away from you.

[Ed Orgeron]

That's right.

[Host 1]

And then you can't start to fill shoes like Joe Brady after that. That man, what a story. Just being able to sit Here and take all that in. That was unbelievable. Yeah, you, you were at USC in 04, correct?

[Jeremy Klump]

Say it again.

[Host 1]

You were at USC in 04.

[Ed Orgeron]

National champ back 2003.

[Host 1]

2004, you take 2004. USC versus 2019. LSU, they both step up, step on the gridiron for the national championship. Who wins that game?

[Ed Orgeron]

Let me say something about you. We had 55 sacks at USC called the Wild Bunch and we gave up 1.8 yards a couple carry. We let the nation in turn of a ratio. But I will say this to you, I'll tell you guys the game plan. You don't need to write this down.

[Jeremy Klump]

You boys are going to be coaches. 2019 game plan.

[Ed Orgeron]

You already.

[Jeremy Klump]

If the bus left at 2:30, I'm.

[Ed Orgeron]

Going ask you a question.

[Jeremy Klump]

I got on the bus and I made sure. Damn, Joe Burrow's on the bus. You hear me? If he went on the bus, bus driver, you ain't leaving, man. We got to the stadium, I said, hey, Joe, throw the ball to Jamar. If he ain't open, throw it to Justin. Ready?

[Ed Orgeron]

Break.

[Jeremy Klump]

And I became a fan because I knew nobody could stop us.

[Ed Orgeron]

We scored 50 points a game.

[Jeremy Klump]

As much as I like that USC team, we were in the pro style offense. We wasn't in a spread and we could get ahead of them.

[Ed Orgeron]

And I do believe in Miami had.

[Jeremy Klump]

A great team too. But I do believe because of the spread, because of Joe Burrow.

[Ed Orgeron]

Burrow, we could outscore anybody.

[Host 2]

So you got the LC Tigers over that USC team.

[Host 1]

He was the head coach of the time.

[Host 2]

Still, defensively, he's got a thing in his mind too, that Joe, Joe Burrow is going to shred his defense. Brian Cushion, Clay Matthews, Taylor Mays, the Wild Bunch.

[Ed Orgeron]

But look at them.

[Host 1]

But look at them.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

That's it right there, boys. Make sure they on the bus.

[Host 1]

Make sure.

[Jeremy Klump]

Look at the NFL. They still can't stop those two.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Think about it now. How about Justin Jefferson, a two star like you mentioned, was the NFL offensive mvp.

[Host 1]

He's incredible.

[Host 2]

What was it like with Raymond Lug and Brian Cushing?

[Jeremy Klump]

I was there.

[Ed Orgeron]

I was there with them when they were young. Young, not in their heyday. Okay, But I know him.

[Host 2]

That's true. For that's. They're in their heyday like I know.

[Jeremy Klump]

But I love them. But we had it. We. We had a guy named Loaf of the Tupo was pretty damn good, you know what I'm saying?

[Ed Orgeron]

And we had some good defenses. We had really good defense in the peak.

[Host 1]

I love It. Is there anything that the boys in the back want to ask Jack about Tennessee? Any questions at all?

[Host 2]

Sherm's got one.

[Jeremy Klump]

One coach, I'm an alumnus of Baylor.

[Host 1]

There's been a lot of talk about Dave Aranda and his future at the school.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

What are your thoughts on just Dave.

[Jeremy Klump]

Aranda, what he's going through with Baylor? Do you think he can turn it around? You know, first of all, I'm a.

[Ed Orgeron]

Big fan of Davis because he was.

[Jeremy Klump]

A great coach for me.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know what I mean?

[Jeremy Klump]

He gave a lot to lsu, I do believe. Just like me now. Okay. No different. He's a better defensive mind than I am, a lot more cerebral than I am. I doubt if he only made a 10 on his act. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

[Ed Orgeron]

But just like myself, I had to get great players and great coaches.

[Jeremy Klump]

I don't think he's hit that mark yet on a overall basis. He might have had it in spots here and there. I think in order for Dave to be a group great head coach, he has to be surrounded by great assistants and great players. What he can do now next year.

[Ed Orgeron]

I surely hope so because he's a great person. Thank you.

[Host 1]

That's beautiful.

[Host 2]

What was it like for you in the. Like the fall at LSU going 150 and then kind of the dissension, going down stuff at lsu?

[Ed Orgeron]

It was tough. God, it was tough. It was tough.

[Jeremy Klump]

But look, you know, we hired both had the number one defenses in the world.

[Ed Orgeron]

It just didn't work.

[Host 2]

That was during that, that Covid year. And I knew too, like when he went back to lsu, obviously he had a ton of success.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Both in Nebraska, but even before that when he was the defensive coordinator for Les Miles at lsu.

[Jeremy Klump]

I thought he.

[Host 2]

But just knowing it. Yeah. Knowing that it was during that Covid year and we were training over at Vanderbilt at the time, like when we were playing for Tennessee. And the way the strength coach that we worked with would talk about all the rules and guys not showing up X, Y and Z. I'm thinking, man, the, the even double brackets, the way the tendency oriented stuff that Bo uses, that's going to be very hard for guys to execute if they're not like learning in this system throughout the off season.

[Jeremy Klump]

Good, because you've been through it.

[Host 2]

Oh yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

You know how complicated it is. But Bo, Bo has very intelligent now. It just didn't get away.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know, Mike Leech started running, crossing routes and stuff like that. We were busting and it just, it just, it wasn't bull's fault now. It just didn't work out right.

[Host 2]

You had to be so detailed.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

In that scene because there was ways to beat it. But if guys knew kind of tendencies, formationally condensed formations, bunches, guys like inverted alignments, like, you had to kind of know everything going on for it to be successful. I'm curious, too. What was it like on the sideline with Coach Bo? Because you talk to me, you talk about you being a hothead, like, knowing coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah. Let me tell you something. Something.

[Jeremy Klump]

As far as my relationship with Coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

Pollini, he let me be the head coach and he was good. I mean, he was really good.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now, he blew up a couple of.

[Ed Orgeron]

Times, but he let me handle it. But he was not.

[Jeremy Klump]

He was not abrasive or bad at any way.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah, he was actually pretty damn good.

[Host 2]

That's awesome to hear. Because Coach Bo would blow up at times and then the next day, not even know what you're talking about. You're just thinking, what do you just black out in these moments? You don't remember. Well, you don't remember what you were saying to me. You don't remember putting your hands on me, like, pat me on the head, laugh. And then I'm thinking.

He did. He cared about his players.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yes, he did.

[Host 1]

What was your thought process when you were on your way out and they announced Brian Kelly as a head coach at lsu? Because to me, I think of LSU as obviously an incredible job to have, but it takes a unique personality to handle that school, that location, that state. And Brian Kelly didn't feel like the personality to handle that. Were you, like, what was your thought process?

[Jeremy Klump]

First of all, you know, I knew.

[Ed Orgeron]

We made a mutual decision. They fired me.

[Jeremy Klump]

We made a mutual. We made a mutual decision.

[Host 1]

They fired me.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. I mean, hey, after the fourth or.

[Ed Orgeron]

Fifth game or something like that. And so I was good with it, but I wanted to coach this team today, and I made. I'm not leaving this team.

[Jeremy Klump]

And we did.

[Ed Orgeron]

And, you know, we played pretty good.

[Jeremy Klump]

We almost beat Alabama also, but at the end, we beat Texas A and.

[Ed Orgeron]

M. At the end, I was ready to go because it was enough, you know.

[Jeremy Klump]

And then they went through a little.

[Ed Orgeron]

Search right there, and when they named.

[Jeremy Klump]

Him, he was a big time hire.

[Ed Orgeron]

And stuff like that, but I wondered.

[Jeremy Klump]

How well he would relate.

[Ed Orgeron]

Like you said, Louisiana is a different place, man.

[Jeremy Klump]

People think different players are raised different people raised different. In the south, you got to be a personable person. You got to go in there and love them. It ain't so much about the X's and the O's and stuff. By getting them to play and, you know, hey, taking care of them and.

[Ed Orgeron]

Making sure they understand that. He didn't do that. That one. He didn't have to do it. Notre Dame. Right.

[Jeremy Klump]

Or if he did it. I don't know. But when he came out and said.

[Ed Orgeron]

Family and like that.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. It just. It just.

[Ed Orgeron]

Just. It just wasn't a good fit.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. Is he a great coach? Yes, he is.

[Host 1]

He's. I mean, he did it at Notre Dame for a long time, right? He was great.

[Jeremy Klump]

A lot of respect for him, but it's a different.

[Host 1]

I believe so.

[Jeremy Klump]

But yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Cincinnati. Before that. Notre Dame.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

I was curious, too, how it would happen.

[Host 1]

Jack, you got something?

[Host 4]

I'm just curious to know what does a perfect day look like for coacho? Doesn't have to involve football. I would assume it would, but from when you wake up to go to.

[Host 1]

Bed, what is a perfect, perfect day?

[Host 4]

Just what.

[Jeremy Klump]

What is your perfect.

[Host 4]

What is your perfect day?

[Jeremy Klump]

First of all, I married a beautiful woman that's 21 years younger than me.

[Ed Orgeron]

All right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Y' all saw a picture on the Internet. I got lucky, but I still can recruit. There she is, right there.

[Ed Orgeron]

Okay.

[Jeremy Klump]

Brandon Nicole. That's my girl. I love her to death.

[Ed Orgeron]

You see that rock on her hand, huh?

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. You know what I tell them? I said, baby, you're pretty.

[Ed Orgeron]

You're pretty expensive.

[Jeremy Klump]

She's the love of my life, man. That girl warmed my heart. She's wonderful.

[Ed Orgeron]

And we spent some great years together.

[Jeremy Klump]

So what my day is. I wake up in the morning at 5, now she's still sleeping. And I look at that beautiful thing.

[Ed Orgeron]

On the side of me and say.

[Jeremy Klump]

You'Re a lucky man. So I get up and I say my prayers. Now I'm involved in Alcoholics Anonymous. I have a little reading I'd do every day. And then at South Beach, I'd go.

[Ed Orgeron]

To a meeting every day from 7 to 8.

[Jeremy Klump]

Met some good friends there. And then I'd go to South Beach. Now, listen to this. You guys will like this. I've been doing some deadlifts. I go to Muscle beach and I started doing some deadlifts. So I get my legs back. Deadlifts and squats. Now, obviously, there's some good sites there that can motivate you.

[Ed Orgeron]

You know what I mean?

[Jeremy Klump]

And so I go work out. I go lift on Muscle Beast.

[Ed Orgeron]

Got my.

[Jeremy Klump]

I just got my shorts on. Feet in the sand. Then after that, me and Brandon Nicole go. We walk this way. Then we run and then we walk the steps and we do everything. We don't get back home till about 3:30, and then we go to the pool, do what we need to do, eat supper and get up the next day and do it again. That's a typical day of Coach Oak.

[Host 2]

All right, well done, well done.

[Host 1]

Some work done right there.

[Jeremy Klump]

Now, look. Hey, look, you know what pisses me off about that? See, I call that a jog, right? And people will pass me by, say, great day for walking. And coach, God know I'm jogging. Boy, you had to.

[Host 2]

You had to check one.

[Host 1]

Yeah, there was one boy came up. Was it Bama?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jeremy Klump]

Was it?

[Host 1]

If I could tell anything from this conversation, you. You like a lot of schools.

[Jeremy Klump]

You do.

[Host 1]

Not with Bama.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, here's the deal, okay? When I was 6 years old, old, no, 8 to 10, I met coach Charlie McClendon. He came up to me, he goes, hello, he's the head coach of LSU Tigers.

[Ed Orgeron]

I saw the man on TV. Hello, young man. My name is Charles McLendon.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'm the head coach at the LSU Fighting Tigers.

[Ed Orgeron]

I thought I was talking to God.

[Jeremy Klump]

I swear I saw the man on tv, but the man was so nice to me. Me, shook my hand. Now, we couldn't take a picture. Back then, nobody had pictures on the their phone. And look, we couldn't afford a camera.

[Ed Orgeron]

That wasn't going to happen.

[Jeremy Klump]

That was for the TV man on.

[Ed Orgeron]

Camera, you know what I mean?

[Jeremy Klump]

But he became my favorite coach. But I knew the power of being the head coach at lsu, what it did for a young boy. So ever since then, anybody asked me to take a picture, I'll take a picture.

[Ed Orgeron]

You'll. So I'm going to walk in, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

Are you doing action there next? Because it's not me, it's the position now.

[Ed Orgeron]

So when I'm jogging, you see my little jog, right?

[Jeremy Klump]

It's not like it's warp speed where I can't stop, right? And somebody, hey, coach, you take a picture? Yeah. Well, that situation there, you know, the guy was a good guy.

[Ed Orgeron]

And then I started going away and he says those two words that I.

[Jeremy Klump]

Don'T like, you know, know.

[Ed Orgeron]

So I called and like you said, checked him, you know what I mean?

[Jeremy Klump]

And all I wanted to do is teach them respect. Look, man, I'm on my jog.

[Ed Orgeron]

I'll stop.

[Jeremy Klump]

I'm going to take a picture with you. I'm running away and you're going to say that. And he was very apologetic. He was very good. 99% of the people are fantastic.

Hey, by the way, y' all see that picture? You boys come find me when you're 64, will you?

[Host 1]

I talked to him about being respect. All he said was roll Tide.

[Jeremy Klump]

Be respectful out here.

[Host 1]

You know, he just said he wasn't like you, coach.

[Jeremy Klump]

All right, coach.

[Host 1]

Well done.

[Jeremy Klump]

What the.

Let me talk to you for a second. School spirit from arrival.

[Host 2]

Roll tight.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, no, no. Let me teach you about the older.

[Host 1]

Guys always kind of grab your form.

[Ed Orgeron]

Come here.

[Jeremy Klump]

Let me teach you something real quick.

I did say fuck you.

[Host 2]

Not today. Hey, roll tight.

[Jeremy Klump]

No, no, no, no.

[Host 1]

I teach about respect. That is hilarious.

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[Host 1]

We ended up this episode to bring you Bojangles breakfast, lunch, or dinner. Bojangles makes your tailgate a winner. We're talking about crispy chicken made from scratch biscuits and all of the fixin'. Be the MVP this season and let Bojangles do the cooking. Now, right now, if you go to the app. Bojangles app, and you use code Bussin, that's B u s s I n you can get 20% off your order. Made from scratch biscuits, crispy chicken. Drizzle the honey on top, get after it, live it, love it, laugh it. Bo jingles time, baby. 20 off busin B U s s I n Back to this episode.

[Matt Rogers]

This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Bowen Yang from Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

[Matt Rogers]

Hey, Bowen, it's gift season. Ugh.

[Bowen Yang]

Stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me?

[Host 1]

Exactly, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm easy.

[Jeremy Klump]

But you're right.

[Matt Rogers]

Holiday gifting is stressful.

[Bowen Yang]

And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, what about the guide we made.

[Bowen Yang]

In partnership with Marshalls, where premium gifts mean incredible value?

[Matt Rogers]

It's giving gifts, a series of guides filled with premium gifts at great value for everyone on your list.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, because if I see one more for the dad who likes golf list, I'm out.

[Host 1]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

How about something for the people who.

[Bowen Yang]

Actually surprise you with categories, like best gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible walking shoe is a stiletto. Psst.

[Host 1]

She wants a Pair of stilettos or.

[Matt Rogers]

Best gifts for me that were so thoughtful, I really shouldn't have dying to.

[Bowen Yang]

See what those are.

[Matt Rogers]

And you won't believe their prices.

[Bowen Yang]

Just wait till you see what else is in there. It's basically a one stop shop for everyone.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.

[Bowen Yang]

Honestly. This is the guide for the 2025 holiday gifting season.

[Matt Rogers]

Check out the guide on marshalls.com it's.

[Bowen Yang]

Giving gifts gift the good stuff at Marshalls.

[Host 2]

Should we ask him the Bud Light question? Go ahead, Coach. Oh, you know how everybody would do anything for an ice cold Bud Light? What is something that coacho would do anything for?

[Host 1]

Crazy to ask with the stuff.

He'S like, I'm involved with alcoholic nominees. Anyone do anything for a Bud Light? However, what do you want?

[Jeremy Klump]

Want to do anything for Bud Light or would I do any anything for anything for?

[Host 1]

Cannot say family.

[Jeremy Klump]

Okay, good. All right, good, good. A big bowl of chicken and sausage gumbo with some filet gumbo with it. And you see, in Louisiana, we take the potato salad and we put it in the gumbo.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now that I'd fight a bear for.

[Host 1]

That's the best answer we've ever had.

[Jeremy Klump]

There you go, baby. Look at that thing. Hey, see the potato salad? Yeah. Well, you got the quick to go, man. Hey, I'll tell you what, if you eat.

[Ed Orgeron]

No, I ain't gonna say. I can't say that.

[Host 2]

This has been incredible, Coach. We cannot exceeded all expectations.

[Ed Orgeron]

For real.

[Host 1]

Because we. We've been trying to get you on forever. How long's it been, club?

[Ed Orgeron]

A while.

[Host 1]

A long time. Get you up here, hang out.

[Ed Orgeron]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Talk some stories a little bit. We first started, you're kind of like, hey, yep, this, this. And then once you just start ripping stories, man.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

It's like, sit back and just enjoy this.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah.

[Ed Orgeron]

Shout out.

[Host 2]

Coach. Eric.

[Jeremy Klump]

What's up, Coach? How we doing, man? Yeah, you're my man. I love you to death, boy. Every once in a while I'll send him a little text.

[Ed Orgeron]

Now, hey, coach, check that three Technique got to play a little bit better now. Them linebackers ain't fit, right.

[Jeremy Klump]

I know, coach. I know, coach, but he's phenomenal.

[Ed Orgeron]

What a great man.

[Jeremy Klump]

He is.

[Host 2]

He is. We were sitting in his office and for whatever reason, Coacho comes up, he said, I'm gonna call him. Let me call him. Or you might have called him. I can't even remember. But you go on speaker and you're talking to. You're talking with me, Jack. And JP can't even even see our faces. And he's talking to us like he's been on the bus the entire time. Like we just been like, he recruited us. Like we know him and everything else. We're like, coach, oh, you got to come on bus with the boys. I think you were riding in the car with your wife and she knew about busing with the boys. Oh, no, I gotta come on here now.

[Jeremy Klump]

She lives in Nashville.

[Ed Orgeron]

She lives in Nolensville.

[Jeremy Klump]

Yeah. She has a home down there.

[Ed Orgeron]

She. She knows all about you guys. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Let's go. Man.

[Host 2]

I love that Kojak right there.

[Jeremy Klump]

Look at him there. You look at him.

[Host 1]

That's him. Yeah, that fits that place. I mean, he's going to. That's as close as it gets, right, fellas? We thinking, right? I'm thinking of what you're putting down. Yeah. I mean, coach act. You got got. You're getting canceled with this photo coming out.

[Jeremy Klump]

Well, you can see why he and I got along.

That picture you already got.

[Host 1]

Oh, man, we can't thank you enough, man. Give a round of applause, coach.

[Ed Orgeron]

Thank you, God, man.

[Host 1]

Appreciate you guys. Subscribe Rate 5 stars. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Thank you.

[Host 3]

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[Host 1]

In New York, we interrupt this episode to bring you bojangles breakfast, lunch or dinner. Bojangles makes your tailgate a winner.

[Jeremy Klump]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 1]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line.

[Ed Orgeron]

But first.

[Jeremy Klump]

There the last one.

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