Dion Dawkins On Bills Dominance, Josh Allen Antics & Myles Garrett Chasing NFL History | Bussin'

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Bussin' With The Boys – Dion Dawkins On Bills Dominance, Josh Allen Antics & Myles Garrett Chasing NFL History

Release Date: December 16, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Guest: Dion Dawkins, Buffalo Bills Left Tackle
Episode Number: 359

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth, candid conversation with Buffalo Bills left tackle Dion Dawkins (“The Snowman”), exploring his football journey, lessons from NFL veterans, locker room culture, hilarious anecdotes, and the gritty reality of offensive line play. The boys also break down the chaos in college football—especially at Michigan—touch on fantasy football, the transfer portal, and Heisman drama, providing the signature Bussin’ With The Boys locker-room banter.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Michigan Football Meltdown (03:02–22:01)

• Hosts dissect the ongoing instability at Michigan, focusing on the scandal(s), head coach search, donor power struggles, and the uncertain futures of athletic department leadership.
• Coaching Candidates Debated: Kenny Dillingham, Kaylin DeBoer, Biff Poggi, Matt Rule. The pros, cons, and politics of each are analyzed.
  • “There's a lot of politics that are taking place and really it's like there's a bunch of donors trying to figure out who they want.” (Host 2, 04:02)
• Transfer Portal and NIL World: Roster instability and rapid player movement are a major concern.
  • “College football teams nowadays are filled with kids that just leave the next year. It's like you can't leave it up to the players of the NIL world.” (Host 1, 19:01)
• Point made repeatedly: The program needs to clean up its culture—quick fixes might only mask deeper issues.

2. College Football Player Movement & Heisman Talk (25:01–48:20)

• Dylan Raiola’s Nebraska-to-Portal news breaks during the pod. The crew laments the new reality:
  • “It's just the world we kind of live in now... he's not the guy that's going to be the quarterback under center for Nebraska next year.” (Host 1, 25:09)
• Impact of transfer portal/NIL is dissected. Kids chase situations, not legacy; team loyalty means less.
  • “In my head, the analogy is running away from the fight instead of to the fight.” (Host 1, 29:40)
• Heisman Winner Fernando Mendoza: Praised for humility, grace, and his compelling acceptance speech, while runner-up Diego Pavia is called out for poor sportsmanship after losing.
  • “The way he talks about his mom, the way he talks about his success... I enjoy listening to the dude anytime he's got the microphone.” (Host 1, 40:00)
  • “If you would have handled that moment the correct way, you're able to... strategically talk about, hey, if your name doesn't get called... But he handled it so poorly, it validates everything.” (Host 1, 44:26)

3. Dion Dawkins Interview

The Origin of “Snow” (63:01–66:24)

• Dawkins explains his “snowman” persona originated from shoveling snow as a street-hustling kid in Jersey—a metaphor for grinding and staying unique.
  • “Snow was always a thing. But I was more so sheltering it... I used to shovel snow as a form of money starting in middle school.” (Dion Dawkins, 64:48)
  • “I just became the snowman. So then... before the NFL started taking it away, I was wiping my nose like this from yay high. And I wiped my nose because it was snot. So it was you already snow.” (65:34)

NFL Mindsets: Branding & Hustle (66:47–68:53)

• On always preparing for life beyond football and leveraging his brand.
  • “You need something else... You need to be able to brand yourself and do something that keeps you different, keeps that golden star just overly shining.” (Dion Dawkins, 67:53)

Transitioning from Rookie to Veteran Leader (69:44–83:19)

• Details on lessons learned from pros like Richie Incognito, Eric Wood, and LeSean McCoy—on-field, off-field, and “being a pro.”
  • “Richie grabbed me and said, bro, you're coming to Arizona. We're going to work out. I'm going to show you what to do. I'm going to show you what a schedule looks like in the offseason.” (Dawkins, 74:52)
  • “My two big homies... Eric Wood, Richie Incognito and LaShawn McCoy. Those were my guys.” (73:42)
• Now, as a mentor, sharing wisdom (and keeping some “cheat codes” close):
  • “Trying to be yourself with not overly showing the cheat codes of the system...” (Dion Dawkins, 83:19)
  • On expectations: “I want the young guys to see me practice. Dion is one of those guys that will practice. He doesn't miss games. He will do every rep.” (80:28)

O-Lineman Grit: Sacks, Blame, and the Real Story (87:13–101:10)

• Dawkins gets passionate & detailed about the misunderstood grind of offensive linemen:
  • “People think that blocking is 1, 2, 3, grab... it don't work like that.” (Dion Dawkins, 87:55)
  • On the Houston Texans' defensive line: “I tip my hat to the Houston Texans. They challenged us more than any defensive line we have seen in a while.” (90:46)
  • Memorable analogy: “D-line and O-line: it's like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan playing against each other... Kobe has the ball. Michael Jordan just has to play defense the entire time. We're on the—Hey, don't score—side.” (Dion Dawkins, 95:10)
• Frustration with how “sacks allowed” gets weaponized against O-linemen. Stat sheets don’t show context; sacks can happen for many reasons, often not their fault.
  • “Stats don’t really show what’s going on in a game…every stat should have a clip. Because sometimes the closest guy gets pinned with the sack—that’s just how it goes.” (97:29)

PFF Grades and Media Narratives (109:10–116:40)

• Unfiltered thoughts on PFF and fan/media evaluations:
  • “PFF controls the world. PFF is going to tell you if you’re good or you suck balls. Nah, bro, I freaking hate it.” (Dion Dawkins, 109:21)
  • “Any source that can make film go from 6 hours to 20 minutes is great... But if you’re gonna talk about ‘oh, you’re this and that’—it needs to be right, bro.” (Dion Dawkins, 115:07)
  • Hosts admit PFF is a useful shortcut for analysts but agree its grades can be misleading and damaging for players.
    • “I think we can find a nice medium ground here... when it comes to percentages and someone saying, 'this is how good this player did,' I do not agree with pff.” (Host 2, 115:08)

Locker Room Vibe & Josh Allen Antics (127:37–130:21)

• Endless “dick jokes” and brotherhood.
  • “Every day [Josh Allen] has something new, bro... It’s to the point where you'll know...if you say, ‘Oh, my favorite color is blue’, he’ll say, ‘Oh, blue you later’—just like, like, like, just, like, ‘all right, Josh, right?’” (Dion Dawkins, 127:43)
• On Josh Allen’s leadership and shared growth:
  • “This is Josh’s team, and I’m an assistant to my quarterback. I assist everything that he’s doing. I’m his protector. I assist. I’m there to help him.” (Dion Dawkins, 85:09, paraphrased)

Facing Myles Garrett – Chasing the Sack Record (91:42–94:02)

• Dawkins delves into the pressure and challenge of defending against elite pass rushers:
  • “He's a war daddy man... Sometimes you gotta play the grim reaper, dog... I just know that no man could get that job done. I'm just playing bro...Miles is coming for that sack title, and I'm here to stop it.” (Dion Dawkins, 91:52–93:38)
  • Hosts ramp up the stakes: “You don’t want to be the guy where this is the play that the record got broken, right.” (Host 2, 94:02)

Football as Brotherhood and Nostalgia (130:21–132:38)

• Dawkins’s connection to Bud Light: his dad worked for Budweiser, and the brand triggers childhood memories.
• Shares dreams: “I would do anything to see Josh Allen hold up the MVP trophy after we win a Super Bowl.” (Dion Dawkins, 126:54)

Off the Field: Cars, YouTube, and Drifting (131:33–133:25)

• Dawkins invites the boys to go drifting with him and T-Pain.
  • “Drifting will change your life, because you guys are just as crazy as me, right? Like, we’re like 10am vibes…” (Dawkins, 131:52)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “Nobody dreamed of being a professional blocker, bro. Don't nobody want to block people for a living, dog.” – Dion Dawkins, 68:53
• “Trying to be yourself without overly showing the cheat codes of the system...” – Dion Dawkins, 83:19
• “Stats don’t really show what’s going on in a game... I wish there could be a clip for every stat.” – Dion Dawkins, 97:29
• “I tip my hat to the Houston Texans. They challenged us more than any defensive line we have seen in a while.” – Dion Dawkins, 90:46
• “He's a war daddy man...Miles is coming for that sack title, and I'm here to stop it.” – Dion Dawkins, 91:52
• “Every day [Josh Allen] has something new, bro...He’s like all of our big little brothers.” – Dion Dawkins, 127:43
• “I would do anything for...to see Josh Allen hold up the MVP trophy after we win a Super Bowl.” – Dion Dawkins, 126:54

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------|-------------| | Michigan Football Chaos | 03:02–22:01 | | Dylan Raiola Transfer/Heisman | 25:01–48:20 | | Dion Dawkins Interview Start | 63:01 | | “Snowman” Origin | 64:48–66:24 | | Being a Pro/Learnings | 73:09–80:28 | | Mentoring & Leadership | 80:28–85:09 | | O-Line Play Reality/Sack Stats | 87:13–101:10| | PFF, Grades, & Analytics Rant | 109:10–116:40| | Locker Room/Josh Allen Antics | 127:37–130:21| | Drifting/Hobbies/Outro | 131:33–133:25|

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Overall Tone & Energy

High-energy, loose, honest, and funny—this episode delivers a behind-the-curtain look into NFL locker room life and the mind of a top-tier offensive lineman. Dawkins’s charisma pairs perfectly with the boys’ blend of in-the-trenches football analysis and good-natured trash talk. For listeners, it’s a window into the “real” football world: messy, intense, and built on relationships, grit, and inside jokes.

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Transcript

[Dion Dawkins]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

Hanging with the fellas.

[Dion Dawkins]

Betting on a game.

[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

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[Dion Dawkins]

Just.

[Host 1]

Drinking beer and making that noise baby.

[Host 2]

I'm hanging with the fellas busing with the boys bro. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Busin with the Boys. It is episode 359. I don't know why you guys just told me that six seconds ago, but then I forgot. Now we're back with it. Do me a favor, if you're listening on any like Spotify, Downcast, Apple, Go and subscribe. If you're watching on YouTube, please subscribe. That is a big help for us. Comments? Put it in there. Helps the algorithm. Let's try to blast this thing out to everybody. This show bus from the Boys is brought to you by the one, the only FanDuel sportsbook. The Rams take on the Seahawks this Thursday in a battle for the NFC west top spot. Now you might be asking yourself, big game this Thursday. Maybe I'll take the Rams, maybe I'll take the Seahawks. But I don't. But I know I want to cook a parlay. What is the perfect parlay? The answer to that question is just make a parlay with a profit boost attached to it. Make sure you head to FanDuel Sportsbook and check out their same game parlay profit boost token available for Thursday's game. Visit FanDuel.comBusing to get in on the action. We had a lot of stuff to talk about today before we get into the interview with Dion doin Dion Dawkins fantasy football, Heisman, Michigan What I mean, literally Michigan, buddy, that place, it seems.

[Host 1]

Like the, the school is kind of burning down right now from the inside out. Yeah, you want to, you're the m. You're, you're the, you're the Michigan guy. Like, where does Michigan. How do we fix it? Yeah, how does, how does, how does Michigan get fixed? As of this morning, I saw on three reported there's about six head coaching candidates on the board right now. Who's going to get brought in? Does somebody come into this situation knowing that there's a full on investigation going across the athletic department? Is that a fire you want to be part of? Like, are there going to be penalties? Like this is a job to where it's one of the top jobs in the country. Like if all the jobs are open, this is a top job in the country. If you're a head coach. Like I would love to be the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines. And it doesn't feel like it's as simple as that because there could be some, there could be some, some implications that come from everything that's going on right now in the football program to where there could be, you know, penalties. Who knows what it looks like? Because is the, is the, is the ad. Is he still there right now?

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, Ward Manual. He's still there. The Board of Regions had a conversation I think the day after Sharon Moore got fired on Wednesday of last week to discuss Ward Emanuel's long term effect. I think the decision that they made was they're keeping on board. I don't know how long that's going to last, but if you look at the structure of how Michigan is right now, and I listen, I'm a Michigan alumni, I played there. I love Michigan. But I am going to truly be, do my best to be unbiased in this conversation right now. I obviously want the best for Michigan. I want them to do great, want them to compete for national championships. But the last, you know, three years, like someone had a tweet said this Michigan scandal is the biggest scandal in college football since the last Michigan scandal. And that is, that's unfortunately like where we're sitting right now. So I'm going to be as unbiased as I can while also rooting for my school. So true serums in my body. You guys can ask me any question you want and I'll try to answer it as best I can. My understanding is Ward Emanuel is still a part of the university at this very moment. Since the ad, not the, since the president who was a Part of the national championship. He left. I think he went to Florida. And we've had a sitting interim president at the University of Michigan. So you have instability at the top of the tops. The ad, There's a lot of question marks going around him. Obviously he was a part of all the Jim Harbaugh stuff taking place, the Connor Stallions taking place. Did he or did he not know that this drawn more mistress thing was happening? Because there's rumors that people were knowing about it around October time or even into the summer that they did an internal investigation. How truthful is that? And then you look at the University of Michigan's all their other sports, because the athletic director, he's not just directing Michigan football, he's also directing all of the sports involved. Michigan athletics is, is. It's. They're doing really well. For me, you know, you look at our field hockey team, our hockey team, our basketball team, our Vol. Like everywhere you kind of look right now, other than the Michigan football team, Michigan's doing really, really well in the sports category. So there's a lot of question marks there as Ward who's making the decision. You don't have a head coach. So if I'm a head coach looking at all of this and I'm in a place like Alabama, or I'm in a place like ASU, or I'm at Washington or I'm in Missouri, which is kind of where all these names have kind of come up, or I'm a defensive coordinator in the NFL. Am I looking at the University of Michigan as yeah, it's a top five job. The logo is a top five brand in college football. Even Ohio State fans and Michigan State fans, if they were had a polygraph on them, they would agree to that stance. Where it sits right now, I would be have a little level of uncertainty of okay, I'm going to be the next head coach of this football team when I don't know how long the AD is going to be there, who's going to be the president? Does the future AD or president, do they want me there or am I not their guy? And they want to find their guy. So there's a lot of politics that are taking place and really it's like there's a bunch of donors trying to figure out who they want. I've heard that the kids, the, the football players themselves have been beating on the door of the athletic director saying it's Biff Poggio or Nobo. I've also heard that the ad, he might be the face, but he's not really making the decision. There is multiple conversations taking a place and at the end of the day, I truly do not know who is making this, this decision for the next head coach of Michigan. Sherm's got Kenny Dillingham on the screen right here.

[Host 1]

He's the only man for the job.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Do we want to talk about that? Like who, who the next head coach should be?

[Dion Dawkins]

His energy and his positivity is exactly what Michigan needs because it is, it is a black hole up there right now. And like, like you said, like a squeaky clean resume. From what? Everything. From everything I've seen and from where. Everything you've, you've said, like he just is all about ball. My. The only thing is like I low key want to see Arizona State, like really good. And he always says how much he loves Arizona and how he wants it.

[Host 1]

To become a thing.

[Dion Dawkins]

But I mean he would be, I think, I think he is the best.

[Host 2]

Man for the job. I don't disagree with that statement at all. I think there's, I think where Michigan sits right now being in the pool you're at. The decision needs to be made by the end of the beginning of next week, Monday, like a week from now. We need to know who our next head coach is going to be.

[Host 1]

But are things even going to be resolved from the investigation?

[Host 2]

Well, you. Okay, so you're saying you said investigation and you brought up penalties. The NCAA or bigger powers in Michigan are not investigating Michigan. Michigan is doing an internal investigation on themselves. So there's not going to be Michigan's being like, we're not going to make a bowl game next year or we're not going to do X, Y and Z. Michigan's realizing, okay, 20, 23 happens, we win a national championship in that season. There's the manifesto, there's the stealing signs. Is it illegal? Is it not illegal? The NCAA does. Their investigation ends up being a 20, 30 million dollar fine. And it's kind of that it's like, okay, that's over. Now we have this stuff with Sherman Moore taking place and there's rumors that this has been known about for a while. The university has said, hey, we heard about this. We did an investigation on this. Both sides had the same story. So in that sense we were like, okay, it seems like everybody's being appropriate, doing care of the right things. Then some evidence takes place, more rumors. It starts to get more public right after the Ohio State game, which I think we can all like play, put a conspiracy hat on and be like, seems like A bit of a coup taking place on True on Moore few the next week. Apparently there was enough evidence brought to the doorstep. Whether it was boosters was whether it was the girl talking to lawyers or something. Somebody brought enough information to where the ad had to sit there and fire Sharon Moore. And then he has the situation. He does where he goes to his wife. There's all a bunch of. I don't know the exact story, but sounds like he goes to his house, threatens himself, leaves there his wife has his location. He goes to the girl's house that he was having the affair with, threatens himself and possibly her. Maybe not. There was a butter knife involved. I truly don't know. He ends up getting detained and now he's looking at three separate charges, one of them being a felony.

[Host 1]

Yeah, he, that whole thing.

[Host 2]

Well, yeah. And there's like not a whole lot of excuses you can put it in that thing. Like this man obviously saw his life, this, this man saw his life crumbling in front of him. It's the decisions that he made that put him in this position. And it was seemed like a mental break. Like he's like, holy, I can't believe I did this to myself. When we all kind of, kind of realized like, I mean Orlovsky said this when the, the gambling thing took place. Like the things you do in the dark will come to light eventually. And it's kind of one of those things where, yeah, like, like I said, always was good to me. We would text after games, wins and losses, hey, keep it going. Or hey, that one, that's a bummer. Keep it up. Always good to me. But if you're going to have the block M logo or an Alabama logo or an Ohio State logo on, like, you need to hold yourself to a standard that that school wants you to be at. Obviously was not doing those types of things. So the coaching search, in my opinion, which I have spent hours just getting on that Twitter search and refreshing over and over again on latest with Michigan football. I think there's, there's, there's two clear ones you can go from an outside that you would want if you're a Michigan fan. And those answers are Calen DeBoer or Kenny Dillingham. I think when the, the pros with Kaylin DeBoer this right. He was, he's been successful everywhere he's gone, he goes to Alabama. He's taking over for somebody that was the greatest coach in college football history ever. And so now you have an expectation put on you to where it's like you're the next guy, but are you the guy? That's how the world's kind of looking at. That's how Michigan wants to kind of frame it. I have no, no doubt that he's happy there. The more that these rumors have popped up, the more you see Alabama support coming with him. If he does go to Michigan. The thought process from a Michigan person is, look at all these aliens he has down south in Tuscaloosa. How many of those guys are going to follow him? Now you're looking at. You have yourself a contending team immediately. My true thought is that Kaylin DeBoer stays at Alabama.

[Host 1]

Yeah. He already put a statement out saying he's staying.

[Host 2]

He put a statement out saying that he's not having a conversation with anybody at this point, nor is he interested in having a conversation at this time. I'm focused on playing Oklahoma in the playoffs. You can pick that apart all you want, because if you're on the Michigan side of things, you're like, he didn't say this. Kenny Dillingham did the same exact thing. How important ASU is to him, how he loves that place. Like, as a Michigan fan, you look back there and go, you didn't necessarily say, there's nothing to that. Right.

[Host 1]

If Michigan was willing to wait in, Alabama ended up losing this weekend. I think that's where you could get DeBoer possibly back in the scenario. But I. I'm feeling like Michigan wants to make a decision as fast as possible. It's just, are they. Are they going to be in a spot to where they can make a decision as fast as possible with everything going on?

[Host 2]

Yeah. I don't think. If it got to my head, I don't think. I don't think killing DeBoer is leaving Alabama for Michigan.

[Host 1]

It's the number two recruiting class coming in. We just made the playoff. SEC championship. Why would you leave that to go to.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Host 1]

Michigan situation?

[Host 2]

You know what a Michigan fan would say? Well, he's from the Midwest. He grew up in Sioux Falls. He was interested when he was at Washington and the Alabama job opened up. He wanted the Michigan job. This is all alleged. Right. He won the Michigan job, but it was in Harbaugh's contract that Sharon Moore takes over as a head coach. And really that's the job he's always wanted. I have no idea if that's true. It's probably not. And if I'm once again staying as unbiased as possible, if I'm at Alabama and I'm looking at Michigan, whether I want that job or not. Seeing where it's at, I'm probably a little more hesitant to even take a step towards that with not knowing who the powers be. Who am I reporting to then? If it is Ward Emanuel, how long am I going to be there? Ward Manual, not Ward Emanuel. Okay, so the board we can kind of put to the side.

[Host 1]

Yeah, if I'm the Boar, I'm staying.

[Host 2]

In Bama right now. Let's look at Kenny Dilling here. So here's my thought process. I think if you're Michigan and you want to have a guy for the next two decades and you can take a guy away from what he has called his dream job, my opinion is I would go full bore 100% right now at Kenny Dillingham. I think he would be the best man for the job. You look at his energy, his youth, Michigan needs that.

[Host 1]

He's a great guy.

[Host 2]

He's a great guy. He's a guy that was at Memphis and Memphis set a record for their offense. The year that he was the offensive coordinator. He had Bo Nix at Auburn and made him SEC freshman of the year. He had Bo Nix again at Oregon and it was his best year at Oregon. Now he takes asu. He, he sits there, he says, this is my dream job. I'm never going to leave there. I have no doubt about it. He takes him to the playoffs last year, but they go into multiple overtimes against Texas. They lose that game. I think they should have won that game. There's a lot of plays in the game or they should have won. So if you're Kenny, it's like, yo, you have your dream job, all of those things, you're in a good place. There's a contract extension. If you don't want the Michigan job, use it as leverage and get a higher, a bigger extension, more pay and maybe some more nil money towards your players. If you want the Michigan job, you're walking into a place that regardless of all the things of who's the ad, who's the president, from a fan base perspective, I believe you are walking into the best possible scenario. As a coach representing a historically great college, a most winning college football team because of all the shit show that's taken place in the last three years, you're going to have the most grace of getting your guys in understanding the playbook, like winning, losing all those things. Like there's going to be enough time for you to get where you want to go that Michigan would not give their guys given different circumstances. Yes, sure, it Sounds like y' all need internal rebuild. Y' all are coming off of a.

[Host 1]

Scandal and a coach that comes to.

[Host 2]

Mind for both of those things. I think Matt Rule did a fantastic job at Baylor.

[Host 1]

Shut up.

[Host 2]

After their scandal, he. He rebuilt our football program. He's doing a great job rebuilding at Nebraska. I just. That's a name that pops up. No, I hear you. So. So Kenny Dillingham, the thing I love about him is Michigan has the. Has the youngest team in the entire Big Ten. They have the youngest team in the entire Big Ten. My goal is to keep all as many of those guys intact as possible. Specifically Bryce Underwood and Andrew Marsh. Am I psychotic to think that a bunch of guys are going to stay? Probably. Like, if objectively, if you're looking at this and you don't know all the things taking place, which I think a lot of us don't know, a lot of guys are going to leave. And so how do you mitigate that risk as much as possible? I think if it's up to the.

[Host 1]

Players, it sounds like it's Biff Poggy.

[Host 2]

That's where it comes to Biff Poggy. So if you can't get Kaylin DeBoer and Kenny Dillingham, which it seems like, you know, both those guys are extremely happy with where they're at, and you go down, you exercise, you make them say no to you. I think the answer is Biff Poggy. And it's you sit there, you go.

[Host 1]

Biff Poggy over drink at Mizzou.

[Host 2]

Yes. Drink can coach bro. Can I be honest? I don't know enough about drink. I don't. I know enough about Kenny. I know enough about DeBoer. I know Jed Fish has been a conversation guy in the conversation who's kind of been successful everywhere. My understanding about Fishes, if he has success at Michigan, he gets called from the NFL, he's out. Like, I want a guy that's going to be there at. Wants to be there for the next two decades. That's what I need.

[Host 1]

But maybe one of these coaches would want to be there for the next two decades. To me, with the Biff Poggy thing, like the internal stuff that's happening. If it's like if I was at the tip top of Michigan and I don't even know what all happened, you got this, you got this big time investigation firm coming in. Everything else, I'm thinking we got to clean shop because it. This has been a problem for the last few years. I'll just agree with the cheating scandal, with the show Moore stuff with the cheating scand. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like this is a shit show.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And you kind of want to clean up the entire thing because you can't make. You can't afford to make another wrong decision. And if you hire Internal, you're kind of leaving that smoke open for something else to potentially happen or come out that has been unknown and now it's coming to the forefront. If they were like, say they go with Biff poetry and then there could be some other things that come out because he was part of the staff. You know what I'm saying?

[Host 2]

No, I agree. I hear all the things you're saying. If I'm looking at this team and if the whole team is saying, we want Biff Poggy.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but think about this team though. Like, college football teams nowadays are filled with kids that just leave the next year. It's like you can't leave it up to the players of. Of the nil world.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Host 1]

I get it though. Like, you know, you want to keep as many guys as you can, but these 18 year olds now are. Half of them are going to be gone anyways. They could be screaming, Biff Poji. Biff Poggy.

[Host 2]

I don't disagree, dude.

[Host 1]

Players are swaying a decision. You're basically just kind of hoping this band aid you're about to put on this situation works.

[Host 2]

No doubt. But okay, so let me, let's. Okay. I've always been of the stance that Michigan needs to have their coach before, before Christmas because transfer portal, you want to make sure that you know who the guys are going to come in and go, who the recruiting class is going to stay, who's going to leave. You've already had two players that have asked for the release for their letter of intent. If you don't get the guys you want and you end up third, fourth, fifth, six on the. Now you're looking at K. Are we putting a band aid because we're getting a new name in there or are we actually getting the guy we want? Because I think after you get through your top three in the situation you're in after Auburn's found their coach, Florida's founder coach, LSU's found their coach. You've all the, you know, Ole Miss, Penn State, everybody's found their coach and kind of gone through their hiring process, which I'm sure a lot of these guys would have been on Michigan, Michigan's radar as well. Maybe it's worth just saying, hey, we got a lot more issues than just making a fix in the next 10 days. Let's give Biff the job. Hopefully he can be successful. A lot of these kids obviously love him. They'll stay for another year. And you're right, dudes will just leave. But maybe if they have the guy they want a lot, a lot of our core talent will stay. You surround Biff with a great oc, which I think Chip Lindsay can be that. Because a lot of the rumors taking place where anytime there's a little bit of adversity in game, Shawarmore would take over the play calling. That's when you saw a lot more running and not letting Bryce Underwood do his thing for from an aerial, aerial standpoint, you get a quarterback coach in there for Bryce if Bryce is willing to stay. And you keep the staff where it's at. And it's like, guys, show us like you have 26 to figure it out. Because if you don't get the guys that this guy wants, and I'm sure a lot of these kids don't know about Kenny Dillingham. A lot of these guys who are four or five star guys who are in New Jersey or Ohio or out in the Southeast, they're not getting offers by ASU because ASU is a regional place. They're taking kids from West Texas, New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona. That's they're finding the lump of their, their roster. If Kenny Dillingham takes that job, a lot of guys are going to leave and say, okay, 26 is already gonna be a shit show anyway and we'll figure it out from there. And we just gotta give this guy grace with Biff. It's like if you're getting to the fourth or fifth, why are we sending a long term contract to a guy when we can just go through another coaching cycle, figure out who the big time guy is in 26. We now have better structure from a president and AD standpoint and we're good to go. That's why. That's where I lean towards those two guys and then Biff. And if you can't get these two guys, then just stay with Biff and find out who the right guy is. And who says drink would walk away anyway? I don't know enough about drink, so I'm not going to be like disrespectful to him. I just don't know enough about him, his coaching style, all that stuff. That's where I sit right now. Because boys, it is a show. It's an absolute show.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

It ain't good.

[Host 2]

It ain't good.

[Host 1]

It ain't Good. What about John Harbor?

[Dion Dawkins]

Dude?

[Host 2]

Yeah, bring them.

[Host 1]

I mean if you, I mean getting someone from the NFL might not be a bad idea.

[Host 2]

I just think, you know what dude, because I saw. What O.C. for Cleveland. Who's the O.C. for Cleveland?

[Host 1]

Tommy Reese.

[Host 2]

Tommy Reese. He's been a nameless turn around. Jesse Minter's been a guy that's done around. I don't know, man. I really don't. They're different worlds, college and NFL. Like you like it call, especially college. Nowadays you can't like coach guys hard. You have to massage them a little bit more. NFL, you're under a contract, a real contract, not this one year nil thing.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And so you have to play a totally different game. The only one that you wouldn't make sense is a guy that's been there, which is Jesse Minter. He's got a whole bunch of different things about how he can coach, can't coach. And then if you're Michigan, do you really want a guy from the Harbaugh tree after all these things are taking place when you're trying to basically have a clean slate. And I'm sure Jesse Minter is saying they're being like, I don't want the fucking job. I'm going to go be an NFL head coach soon. Like he's probably going to have offers coming out of this season. What about Mike Tomlin once again? Like, I think Tomlin's great with handling personalities. I think he's a hell of a head coach. But he could easily just go and become the Giants head coach next year, you know, or stay at the Steelers again because it seems like they're probably going to win the division again and, and losing the wild card. Like what are we talking about? And it's like, okay, what about Jason Ek from New Mexico?

[Host 1]

I don't know if that is okay.

[Host 2]

Well, he was in Idaho the year before Louisville. Yeah. Jeff Braum, he's been a guy that Will's been getting his inside sources from.

[Host 1]

To me, dude, I heard he's part of the search.

[Host 2]

I think there's. You have two or three names and if you don't get those guys, you stick with Biff. Because if the kids love them and you can surround them with a great coaching staff. He's got a great personality for Michigan. Unique, self paid guy. Ask him what he's gonna do after game. He's gonna have coffee, Haagen Dazs ice cream and hang out with his wife. He's not going to be a scandal guy. No, Sleeves.

[Dion Dawkins]

No.

[Host 1]

Brian Kelly. You don't want Brian Kelly.

[Host 2]

Listen, Will did this on espn. I will say I don't like doing this here right now, but this is breaking news. Nebraska quarterback Dylan Raiola is expected to enter the NCAA transfer point portal.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah, that's not, that's not surprising. I knew that. I knew that that was coming.

[Host 2]

Like you had your own sources or like just your intuition? You knew that?

[Host 1]

Both.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

Both. I've spoke with people over the weekend. Those conversations will stay with me and my. Who I was talking to. But I, I mean, all the, all the evidence has led up to he's going to be hitting the portal at some point. Well, listen, we're going to find us. We're going to find us a quarterback. Not even wor about this. Not even worried about this. You said Ssby's in the portal. Not even worried.

[Host 2]

You said Ssby. Kind of nice.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I kind of knew this was coming.

[Host 2]

What are your thoughts?

[Host 1]

It is what it is.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I like, I personally, it's like I know he had a. The injury with the broken leg and everything else and what he's done, what Dylan has meant to Nebraska over the last couple years. He's a hell of a player, hell of a talent, hell of an athlete. And my hope was like, how I went through Nebraska, how you think of as a competitor and everything else that you see with this nil world. I was hopeful that he would be in this process of getting healthy and everything else and, and want to continue to build on the, the little success that we've had over the last couple years. Yeah. And continue to be the guy and continue to run into the fight and bring this program back to what we want it to be. And now that he's on the portal, everything that I've heard behind the scenes and everything else, I kind of knew the, that this was coming. So at this point, it's more of like, it just is what it is. Right. Like this is the world we kind of live in now. And he's not the guy that's going to be the quarterback under center for Nebraska next year. So whoever that next guy is going to be, whether it's in house right now or somebody that we get out in the portal, I'm going to be the biggest fan.

[Host 2]

Hell yeah. Great way to handle it.

[Host 1]

And I'll be waiting to see where Dylan go to wait to see where Dylan goes and I will be secretly, like, rooting against that team, so.

[Host 2]

So you're not secret at all? Yeah, I mean, I thought we were just gonna casually root against Raiola, like behind the scenes, without cameras. Because I'm thinking to myself, like, yeah, like, you hear the rumors of even last year, him. Him sniffing around a little bit, and then this year it's like, bro, he was at four, four different high schools, three different commits, decommits before he ends up Nebraska. Yeah, sounds like. It sounds. This is just me. It sounds to me like he's got too many people in his corner telling him his shit doesn't stink. And it's like there has to be a level of you're either gonna stand up and be the guy or you're not gonna be the guy. And it's. This is. These are what a 20 year old kid? Like, I hope the best for him, but it sounds like he needs to have his camp, whoever's in his camp, telling him he's the greatest thing in the world. Like, you need to deal with a little adversity yourself. Not saying Nebraska is the right place for you, not place for you. But, buddy, this game is fucking hard and it's unforgiving. And if you make it to the NFL, you're not gonna have. You're gonna be able to just skip and walk away.

[Host 1]

You're not gonna be able to look around the entire time you're there.

[Host 2]

Right. Like, eventually you. You got a bunch of people in your camp being like, it's this guy, it's this guy, it's this guy. Like, best way to be a quarterback is be like, it's me. How do I fix me? And then a lot of the pieces around you to unfold the way it is. Yeah, but he's 20 years old. He's 20 years old.

[Host 1]

Fib, fractured his fibula.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Tried to play. Like, that's badass. Try to play on a broken fib. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Oh, he'll be back. Week one of this year, like, essentially he had what comparatively like something that Daniel Jones had where he's got a fracture in his fibula. Could have been worse, could have been less, whatever it is, like, and then ends up shattering it. So you're not like trying to continue to put stress on it. What I'm hearing, potentially Oregon, that'd be surprising.

[Host 2]

That would be.

[Host 1]

That's what you wanted.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Yeah. You're an Oregon Ducks fan. Speak up.

[Host 1]

You know, we'll wait and see how it all unravels. I'm not going to say anything good or bad. I will say what you said is very interesting. The world of college football, I think the Michigan stuff has opened up how weird it is that like Bryce Underwood's team is putting out that he'll see if he's staying at Michigan. Guy signing one year extensions and it being announced. I think it's bizarre that this is the world we're living in in college football. Like we're, we're waiting to see if Bryce Underwood stays at Michigan, if he likes the next head coach. I think that is, it's, it's bizarre the, the world we live in.

[Dion Dawkins]

I, I hate it.

[Host 2]

A week ago I sat here and I was like, man, college football, it isn't a really crazy spot, but it's fun to watch the chaos now that like my school is like the front of all of it. I'm like, this is, we got to do something.

[Host 1]

Yeah, that chaos is a little different. As all that info is coming out. It was like, oh, another Michigan scandal and jokes rapping at first and then more information is getting released. You're kind of like, oh fuck, this is pretty bad. Then it's like, oh fuck. I kind of want to stay off the Internet to see everything going on because that is bad.

[Dion Dawkins]

Bad.

[Host 2]

Yeah, dude. And I've literally been only on it. Just, just sitting there, refresh, refresh. Seeing everything that's going on, man.

[Host 1]

Yeah, we're just, we're not in a. I'm not going to say it's a paintbrush across every player, but it's just the world of figuring out a way to. How do we create the bet? How do I get better? How do we create the best situation? How do I become the situation where ver, like how can I get out of this situation? How can I just find the best situation for myself?

[Host 2]

Right.

[Host 1]

Like in, in my head, the analogy is running away from the fight instead of to the fight. Like you're in the fight. You've been building something. Now you want to go elsewhere because you just want to look for a better situation. Yeah, but yeah, if he becomes an organ duck. Dan Lanning. Boy, Natty.

[Host 2]

I think there's a world where Moore stays.

[Host 1]

If, if, if Dante Moore is looking at a potential first, first round pick, top three, right. Like, would it be like what the Jets. We were talking with Greg Olson. Like Jets, Raiders would be there. What is it? Saints tight? I mean, Titans don't need a quarterback. Cardinals. It's going to be hard if you're in Dante Moore spot when you're looking at coming back for another year, looking at whatever nil money that they have out there at Oregon versus like a, a guaranteed contract in that Realm, if you're a top five, top ten pick, you're looking at what, 20 to 30 million guaranteed. And then ultimately the goal is getting that second contract in the NFL. If you're like playing the long game as a player, it would be hard for Dante Moore to not declare for the NFL. If that's what he's looking at and hearing from his agents and everybody else, no doubt.

[Host 2]

I have no doubt he will be a first round top 10, probably NFL pick in this class with all the quarterbacks that are absolutely needed. But I think there needs to be something to be said about staying running after Heisman legacy at Oregon. In this world, you're being compensated now. Like, he can get 5 million bucks to stay in Oregon. They have the funds to do it. Pocket of money, endless pocket of money. And if I'm Dante Moore and you're like, okay, if the end goal is to get that second contract and health stays on your side, all those things, you have another year to develop to where you can come in and be a guy in the NFL immediately, I'm looking at it as, how do I become the next Marcus Mario to Oregon, where I go and I play for 15 years. I come back and I'm, I'm walking around, I'm being carried around and paraded around like there's a level of legacy that Dante Moore can be looking at if he comes back for another year. I'm not saying the money isn't fantastic. The security of make it to the NFL, holding up the jersey, bringing back a franchise from the depths of hell and being the guy like there's. That is beautiful and wonderful, but you can't go back to college. And if you, if you have the chance to come back, do your thing, possibly win a Heisman, possibly win a national championship. Because if Dante Moore says, I am going to not go to the NFL, I'm going to stay at Oregon. Now, Oregon is the biggest hotbed for every receiver, tight end, running back. I'm saying, oh, these guys going after a national championship, I want to be a part of that. Now Oregon's done the recruiting for itself and you get to be the guy that's like, we did this because of him. We. And that, I think that speaks decades into your life. When you're in your 40s and you get to go back and be like, yo, you came back for us. And there's like, I came back from my senior season at Michigan, we end up going seven and five. We sucked. We lost to Kansas State at the Buffalo Wild Wings bowl in Tempe. But even when I go back now, people, fans of Michigan are like, thank you for coming back. Thank you for being a part of the, those who stay. The Jake Longs, the Steve Hutchinson's, those types of things where it's like you have a sense of pride and like, yeah, like I could have gone maybe a little higher in the draft because the, the 2014 draft is way stronger than the 2013 draft. But like you get to go back to your alma mater and people are like, you stuck it out with us. And that's, that's something to be said about that.

[Host 1]

This is his first year as a starter, right? Yeah.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Host 1]

So people talk about how Bo Nicks had a ton of snaps throughout college, which clearly has helped him be ready for the NFL. There's got to be a pro if you're Dante Moore to go back to your point, you're more ready for the NFL, you have more snaps under your belt instead of just one year as a starter in college and then you.

[Host 2]

Potentially have to go and save a.

[Host 1]

Franchise in the NFL, like right, we've seen that story too many times. Obviously if he stays the following year, he's also going to be a high pick, goes to a bad team, but you at least have more experience under.

[Host 2]

Your belt than just one year starting in college. And you're gonna have so many weapons around you at Oregon, you're not gonna have to worry about like a massive drop off like at the end of the day that you can just. Obviously it depends on how this year goes for them because yeah, they go win the natty. It's like, oh, buddy. Okay, yeah, we understand.

[Host 1]

Check the box.

[Host 2]

Yeah, you've checked the box.

[Host 1]

But yeah, thinking long term, you, you like, you hope that kids are like that or that kids like that are thinking that long term about it. It just feels like the world were continue to trend to just more of a business decision, more of like the money, money driven stuff. But that would be, I mean if he's thinking about that way he's, you know, but think about Oregon has, has enough money to make a 21 year.

[Host 2]

Old feel like for sure to be able to be a hero, to be a hero of that school, to bring the first national championship.

[Host 1]

We'll bring that back. That like.

[Host 2]

Yeah, you see. Well think about this kid as well. Like he transferred. Where was it? Ucla? Cal. He was at a west coast school. UCLA transfers, sits behind Bo necks for a year and a half. Like he could have left multiple times, decided to stick it out and Stay like Dante Moore. Dylan Gabriel. Excuse me, Dylan Gabriel. And he, he could. He's shown that he's willing to be patient and he's willing to develop and do all those things. And like I don't know if you're going to find a better coaching staff in college football than Lanning and his boys to help you develop and get better to where you walk in the NFL and sound like, hey, a lot of raw attributes here but you know, we'll see in a couple of years like he can walk in as a finished product. Where it's like now you don't have the question marks going into your first year of the NFL. It's like oh, this is a fucking dude. Immediately, you know.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2]

And it doesn't matter where you get drafted in the first round, like top 10. Like I know the money's a little bit better but look at Bo Nix like he's sitting number one of the AFC right now in his second year and he has a awesome team around him.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And that's all. That's what you're essentially looking for bonus is what the second or third quarterback taken in his draft. So yeah man, I, I think it's really worth looking into if you're Dante Moore and it doesn't go that your way. Like if you beat jmu, which you absolutely will. Texas Tech the next year you lose a Texas Tech it's like you should really think about staying and, and turning into something special.

[Host 1]

That classic job's not done post.

[Host 2]

Yeah. You. I need to see the confetti and him just there looking at it. That photo. Go back and win it, you know.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Anyhow.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Heisman. Unless Dylan goes there.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I think the real that the decision of Oregon would obviously be if would hang on the balance of Dante Moore goes to the NFL or not. I mean Dylan Rail is a former.

[Host 2]

Five star quarterback so we'll embrace him at Oregon. But I do have a real thing for Dylan Raila.

[Host 1]

Imagine he goes to Texas Tech and.

[Host 2]

Kind of just completes that. Patrick Mahomes.

[Host 1]

Yeah. You see a tweet where it's like Dylan Rail realizing he has to Terror's ACL would be crazy though if he goes to Texas Tech and basically becomes Patrick Mahomes.

[Dion Dawkins]

For real.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

They unretire 15 for him. Yeah. I hope the best. I hope the best for the kid but obviously the Nebraska bias in me. He's now an enemy.

[Host 2]

He's now an enemy. Hope the best for him.

[Host 1]

Gotta be.

[Host 2]

But he's now an enemy. Let's Give a round of applause for Fernando Mendoza. Oh, hold on. Let's not.

[Host 1]

I was just gonna say if you could split just my personality up. That's what it is. I hope the best for him, but yeah, I hope for a great future. But on the Will he see Nebraska Bias? He's now an enemy.

[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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[Host 1]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

Visit pluvicto.com to learn more. That's P L U V I C T O dot com let's get around plus Fernanda Minozo winning the Heisman Trophy. First Heisman Trophy winner in Indiana. First outright Big Ten championship. 1945, beat Ohio State, buddy. How do we feel about it? First Cuban Heisman winner. Wow.

[Host 1]

An incredible speech. And I hated the fact that I saw it. Was seeing the teleprompter in the reflection on the production side, like, you know, on the production team. You're going back in there afterwards, like.

[Host 2]

Fuck, what are we doing?

[Host 1]

Yeah, what are we doing? Those optics.

[Host 2]

Blah, blah, blah.

[Host 1]

But the way he talks about his mom, the way he talks about his success, it seems like the human being Fernando Mendoza is the leadership that he has and everything else. And the way he just loves football, loves the moment that he's in. I enjoy listening to the dude anytime he's got the microphone of his face.

[Host 2]

No doubt about it, dude, he is. He seems as polished as an individual as you can possibly have. Yeah. Awesome guy.

[Host 1]

I saw a hilarious reply on Twitter, and it was under somebody's tweet, like, you know, shouting out Fernando Mendoza in his speech and. But they highlighted the part where he was like, I was in fourth grade and I was fourth place on the depth chart, and I just had to keep working. And this guy was like, man, he's like, I'm with this whole speech except this part. What are we doing with depth charts in fourth grade? We should be judged how we were judged as kids, how hot your mom is. I was dying. I was like, man, yeah. For Mendoza's mom, of course.

[Host 2]

She's a queen. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Fourth on the depth chart in fourth grade.

[Host 2]

How about Diego Pavia? Taking, Taking, not winning. The Heisman goes to a club in New York and has signs that says F Indiana.

[Host 1]

Oh, buddy, that was class zero.

[Host 2]

There's Jackson.

[Host 1]

That's a bad look. I mean, that's obviously the.

[Host 2]

This is the whole.

[Host 1]

He's been doing his entire year, the.

[Host 2]

Heisman, because it's like the pursuit of excellence and integrity as what they look for in Heisman candidates. Yes. He had the stats there. Zero class, zero integrity. They need role models and they want kids they're going to look up to. He's there flexing with his brothers, walking in. Congratulations to Vanderbilt. 10 and two season historic. They beat Tennessee in Nealon, and I'm proud of them. But he has zero integrity. That's. That's just like, what are you doing going to the club Indiana. This. You know them, bro.

[Host 1]

When I saw him flashing the middle finger in the Indiana sign, I was like, but, dude, this is a terrible look, man.

[Host 2]

And, like.

[Host 1]

And when you saw Fernando, his name get announced. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm staring at Diego like when Fernando Mendoza's name gets announced and just to kind of see him, like, I'm like, he's so pissed right now. Like, bro, this is you finally. This is the moment. At the end of the day, Hay's in the barn, the name's gonna get called. Whatever the name gets called. And the moment, it's not yours. You do have to have this, you know, win with grace, lose with grace. It happened. I know you fought your ass off to get to that moment. You could have been you. He was deserving of also getting his name called. But when that happens, man, you stand up, you smile, you congratulate the. And it's like, that is what it is. Like, that's out of your, like that, that is out of your hands.

[Host 2]

Right?

[Host 1]

And for you to kind of go about it that way, I was like, man, this is a brutal look. This is a brutal look.

[Host 2]

I'm not sitting here like, hate watching, like, obviously I have been. But truly, how is there not somebody in his camp in his corner who's saying, hey, what you do is directly going to affect your draft stock, which is already not going to be great. And then he's sitting there, he's pouting, he's at the club and it's like every NFL team is watching that going, you're a liability. You lose with grace. Win with grace. There's nothing in his character that like shows that he's capable of being like a good leader. And it sucks. I feel like he killed his draft stock in a matter of hours. Yeah, he was already gonna maybe be a four string guy in an NFL team. I just, I feel bad. There's not someone in his camp being like, this is your future. Or else Diego Pavia, future podcaster, is now in your realm. Damn. Coming at podcasters, I mean, you guys at least played in the league for 10 years. He's going to play for 10 minutes.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Watching Johnny Manzel videos when as you're like just playing the thing, I'm like, this looks Zach like Manzel.

[Host 2]

Right? And that's what all the, that's, that's what Jack's getting at is all the scouts are going to see that be like, oh, this is Johnny Manzel.

[Host 1]

Because you're in a spot too, to where all the antics that Diego Pavi has done this, this scene like after the Heisman and everything else, kind of like, yeah, he's been kind of this person the entire Time. But there's also an element if you're there and strategically talking about, hey, if you, if your name doesn't get called, here's how you need to look to handle this, because you can look at all the, the stuff he's done throughout the year and play into the entertainment side. The whole lore of Diego Pave the college, you know, fun highlights, lowlights, how he's went about it, how he's handled it. But if you would, if he would have handled that moment the correct way, you're able to. Since he handled it so poorly, it validates everything that he wants to make it seem like a low character, low integrity type of person with no class. And everything else that everybody's saying, it's.

[Host 2]

Kind of like, yeah, yeah. All the, all the haters outside of the Vanderbilt camp who have been saying that, they're like, see, that's exactly, that's exactly why he didn't win the Heisman. Like, personally, I mean, I was, I was guy saying like, Diego Pavia should have won the Heisman. If I had a vote, it would have been Diego Pavia. But you lose, bro. You just gotta lose and move on. Like, you can't handle like that because you're absolutely right. You, you've officially validated the haters because you can't lean on anything else. Like, there's no doubt that he gets his locker room dialed in. His boys roll with him. Like, listen to Cade talk about him. It's like, these guys would fucking die for Diego. But an NFL franchise is gonna look at that and be like, well, he, Diego might not have the opportunity to get his players to want to die for him now, you know?

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2]

So we'll see.

[Host 1]

You're just in a spot. You're in a spot where the whole entire world's watching.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And you're handling it that way. That's a very piss poor way of handling that entire thing.

[Host 2]

It's tough, man.

[Host 1]

He needs to lock himself in the room with his best friend, Eli Stowers. Everything you hear about Eli is like, he's the greatest, most focused guy. He won tight end of the year. They're best friends. You're right. And Eli's not there. And it's like. But Diego has sung, has sang the praises of Eli for Diego's whole career. He credits Eli with so much of the good things that happen in his life, and I hate that. I wish Eli could have been there with him. Hopefully he can in the way he handled it too. To come back and write that that apology, it's like everybody knows that. That's.

[Host 2]

Everyone knows that. That was Chat GPT writing it. Look how many dashes are in that statement. I hate what Chat GPT does. I mean, I already, already fed it through. I already fed it through. It said it was 69 or 68% created by Chat GBT.

[Host 1]

Like the agency, whoever is with him is obviously encouraging him to, you know, write up this apology. I'm sure is a mix of all things, but clearly that apology is not coming from Diego.

[Host 2]

Yeah, tough man. Tough. Like, if he had handled that with poison grace, I feel like he would have turned a lot of haters, including myself, and being like, maybe he is rising to the occasion. Like, maybe this is not his grand moment in life where he knows that there's potential for after college, where he could actually be somewhere on a depth chart in the NFL. And I just, I hate that I, you know, me and the haters were right all along. I hate.

[Host 1]

Was one of those things. Like, I was rooting for him to win the Heisman. I thought it was a pretty. It felt like a watered down kind of Heisman class to begin with. I thought it was going to be a toss up with him and Fernando. I didn't really, really care either way. I was kind of like rooting for Diego to get it in this moment. But then when all of that stuff happens and the domino effect from seeing Diego when Fernando's name gets called and then seeing the optics in the club and everything else, I'm kind of sitting there thinking, like, I'm kind of glad Fernando Mendoza won the Heisman.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Which sucks to say, but last, last point on the Heisman because all the stats were getting put out there of, like, Manzel having more. Almost as many rush yards as Jeremiah Love. Joe Burrow's year when he throws 62 touchdowns. And then you compare all of these past Heisman Trophy winners to any of the candidates this year. Yeah. I'm wondering if there's a year out there where the Heisman committee says, none of these guys deserve our vote. We're not having a Heisman. Because it is crazy to see the difference in the numbers. Like, yeah, Mendoza's numbers. And it's like. And even Pavia, it's like, these are not Heisman seasons and it kind of sucks. But at least Mendoza is such a good guy that.

[Host 2]

Did you see when everybody was at, like, kind of their table and the media was running around and it was like, Fernando Mendoza, Diego Pavia, Jeremiah Love. And there's crowds of people. And then there's Julian saying in the corner with one reporter. As a Michigan fan, you can't do that. Like you're creating a monster. Yeah, creating a monster because he's a good ball player. He was there just so he didn't.

[Host 1]

Have to be fine.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah. It's tough, man. It's tough. Culture football kind of sucks right now. You know, Messamaker is going to be.

[Host 1]

Somebody to look out for next year. I feel like he's going to make a huge splash. That was the North Texas qb. Yeah. Let's get him in Husker Red, man. Yeah. Depending where he goes, he's going to transfer somewhere big.

[Host 2]

But that he's a. I don't know. He's a slinger.

[Host 1]

Sorsby open competition for QB1 for the Huskers. Man. Who wants to get on this, this double digit win season in 2026.

[Host 2]

Dude. Who wants to save Michigan? That's the question. Who wants to save Bryce? Do you want to save Michigan? Would you take in Michigan? I would take. I would take Groot. I don't know. Here's what I know about Gruden is. Well, this is kind of a conversation I have with Will, like system guy like his. It's his system. And if the players don't fit into the system, like how well does it work? And then if Gruden does have success, his next step is the NFL. I'm looking for a guy like, I would love if Gruden came in. I think it would be. It would make it so much fun to watch Michigan next year. But I'm thinking about what are the next 10 years look like for the Mason Blue. And I just need that coach. I need that Matt Rule, you know, that's going to be like, hey, I'm going to be here forever. I'm going to stay here. This is where I want to be.

[Host 1]

Starts and ends with the Michigan.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I need. I need the next guy, Kenny Dillingham. I need you like I do. I would love for Kenny Dillingham to be the next head coach of Michigan. On 3.

[Host 1]

Also just reported that Texas Tech will not be a factor in Dylan Rail's.

[Host 2]

Recruitment for his transfer.

[Host 1]

So there will be no Patrick Mahomes. Dylan Rail, a Texas Tech. Well, that Howard kids forget his name, but their backup's good.

[Host 2]

Text backup.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do we go from here, boys?

[Host 2]

Probably way more down and then back up. I think there's a. This is going to be a rocky couple of months for Michigan. Yeah, it really just Depends on, I think if it's, if you, if you're able to get Deborah Kenny, which seems very far away right now to me. It's Monday or Tuesday next week. If not. I mean, I said this on espn. Like, we're really close to being Penn State. And I don't mean that in like, like Matt, Matt Campbell from anything Josh Pates told us. He's an incredible coach. Penn State's in really good hands now. But it took Penn State so long to find a coach, they lose their entire recruiting class. A bunch of guys are now transferring out. Like, time is of the essence if you're going to find your guy immediately for the next 10 years.

[Host 1]

Yeah, it's like, if they're trying to find their coach over the next week, it seems like it's not going to be deboer. That's where a lot of signs would point toward it. Can they get Dillingham out of Arizona right now?

[Host 2]

Like, you, you've really got to stress test how much Kenny really loves that job. So do you.

[Host 1]

If you're in the building, are you telling the players, like, hey, guys, like, give us a week?

[Host 2]

Well, I don't think the portal. Yeah, I mean, I, I, if I'm a player, if I'm a player, I'm probably sitting there being like, I need. Yeah, I want to find out who they're, who the coach is, and then I'm immediately looking into, like, what their success has been, what kind of officer they run is the best thing for me. How long do you wait for that? I think if you get past January, dude, if you get into the new year, you're in big trouble. You're in big trouble. And I, I wouldn't be surprised if we see multiple transfers this week. Yeah. I mean, regardless of what happens, you know, if, like, Biff is a guy, or Kenny's the guy, or deboer, whoever is the head coach of Michigan, whenever they announce that there, I fully expect a shitload of turnover this year. Which sucks, dude, because regardless of how, like, we looked as a team this year, one of the youngest teams, we were the youngest team in the Big Ten, one of the youngest teams in all of college football. A lot of great pieces to truly be successful next year. A lot of great pieces. And so to me, I'm sitting here this time last week being like, it's fucking insane to me. We never quarterbacks coach. And like, the OC was also being the quarterback. It's like, dude, no, you need a quarterback coach. And so the OC can focus on the game plan and help develop this kid. And now it's like, I have no idea what's about to happen because it might be. I mean, there's. There's the optimistic part of me that's like, dude, get the right guy in. Guys believe in it. They want to stay, be the hero. But then there's the realistic person. To me, it's like, that's not the world we live in anymore. Guys are going to run, sprint away from the situation, and it's like, that's. That's college football right now. Can. Do you blame them? It's like, I don't know.

[Host 1]

Can Bryce Underwood be the guy for the Nebraska Cornhuskers? I'm telling you, it's open right now. Because if I'm a player on Michigan, I'm out of there. I'm running T's and peas, man. These are peas of what's going on over there.

[Host 2]

The thing that is hard about the transfer portal is that there is so.

[Host 1]

So many success stories now to back it up, that it's now even more.

[Host 2]

Prevalent because there are a lot of.

[Host 1]

Times it pays off and these players see that. And so I think we're just going.

[Host 2]

To see more and more of it each year.

[Host 1]

Yeah, a lot of issues in the college football landscape. It will be fun to talk college football playoffs this week on the locker room with Josh Payton.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Because we got some games this weekend. Friday. Yeah.

[Host 2]

There's two games taking place this weekend.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Chilean and jmu. See ya. You already know what's about to happen. You already see Michigan, bro. No, no, they would not be Michigan.

[Host 1]

All right, let's hit the rose spicy tear talk with best flirty text openers. Then we will dive into Dion Dawkins. We joined the show. Phenomenal interview, phenomenal energy. Buffalo Bills left tackle, but rose spicy tear talk. Best flirty text openers. All right.

[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

Do you have a tier two and three?

[Host 2]

Nope. That was my tier one.

[Host 1]

My game ain't nothing like that. Mine would just simply be, you shoot the eyes emoji. I might just say, how about this weather we got going on? Yeah. Then I don't know if I'm. If I don't have those. It might just be. Do you watch football?

[Host 2]

All right. Do you watch football? Is our tier two. There is somebody. There's my list right there.

[Host 1]

There's my tier 1, 2, and 3. You gotta send that corn gift on game day. Have you seen that AI robot on Instagram where it's like. It's the. It's like a Transformer standing there, and then they just got dismissal and it ends up elevating up. It's like when my. You know, when my wife's wearing loose clothes around the house and her ass is jiggling, and it's just this AI robot with a massive missile ascending in the air. You guys haven't seen that one. I'll have to share it on my stories.

[Host 2]

I'll just share it on my stories. There was one. I don't know who it was, but there was something like a sliding dms, like the giraffe head that comes in, and then I'll see myself out. And then it's like another gift of them. Just a little something funny there in my previous life because I have a girlfriend now. Hey, around, Poster Jack. Yeah. Thank you. Podcast official. Something that you can do if you get the response back. But you dm. Let's say you find a cute girl, you DM her, and you go, hey, my friend has a crush on of you. And then luckily, you get the response back. Oh, who is it? You just copy and paste the link to your own Instagram, Just send it right back in.

[Host 1]

And typically, they're like, damn, they're like.

[Host 2]

All right, well, can I meet them? You're like, nah, not today. That is incredible. So those are tier three. There's tier one, two and three. Spicy road tear down, baby. Done. Couple things, a couple housekeeping items before we get into Dion dawkins. Jared Beeman one night only in Nashville, Tennessee. January 6th, was it 7pm clump. 7pm 7pm you can go to zanies.nashville.com to get tickets to watch Jared Beeman. He lost a bet. He's got to do his entire stand up routine a full 20 minutes. There will be other comedians of the Nashville area in there. I've texted some big time comedians. They're busy. So we're gonna make it a full fun night for all of us. I'll jump up there. We'll emcee the thing. We'll have fun with it. But Jared Beam is got to do 20 minutes at Zany's. I think we'll all enjoy that on January 6th. And you can go to bwtv.com to find tickets as well. Is that correct? No, it's just okay that you can't do that. You can go to zany.nashville.com January 6, Jared Beam and One Night Only. Be a fun time, boys.

[Host 1]

Tickets are going to charity.

[Host 2]

All tickets. All. We're not making any money on this. This is all going to charity immediately.

[Host 1]

Feel good, Feel great.

[Host 2]

All right, let's get into this episode with Dion dawkins. Please subscribe Rate 5 stars Big hugs, tiny kisses. So let me get this straight. Your company has data here, there and everywhere. But your AI can't use the data because it's here, there, and everywhere? Seems like something's missing. Every business has unique data. IBM helps your AI access your data wherever it lives. To change how you do business, let's create Smile to business IBM. You know what separates the pros from the rest? It's not just talent. It's how you respond when the game gets tough. Do you dig in? You fight back. And when it comes to your health, that same mindset matters.

[Host 1]

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[Dion Dawkins]

Plovicto isn't chemo.

[Host 1]

It's a different kind of treatment that.

[Dion Dawkins]

Targets PSMA positive cells, including prostate cancer cells.

[Host 1]

Plovicto can be used before chemotherapy for some people.

[Host 2]

Here's the official word. Pluvicto is a prescription treatment used to treat adults with prostate specific membrane antigen positive metastatic castration resistant prostate cancer or PSMA positive MCRPC who have already been treated with hormone therapy and are considered appropriate to delay chemotherapy.

[Host 1]

Now let's talk safety Pluvicto involves contact with radioactivity, which may increase the risk for cancer and cause fetal harm. Drink plenty of fluids, urinate often, use contraception and talk to your doctor about how to reduce the risk of exposure, exposing others to radiation during and after treatment. It can also cause low blood cell counts, kidney problems and infertility.

[Dion Dawkins]

Tell your doctor if you notice weakness, pale skin, shortness of breath, bleeding or bruising, more easily an infection or changes in urination.

[Host 2]

Side effects include decreased blood cell counts, tiredness, dry mouth, nausea, appetite loss, joint or back pain and constipation.

[Host 1]

Look, every day matters. And if you're in the fight or know someone who is, this is a conversation worth having.

[Dion Dawkins]

Ask your doctor about Plavicto because just.

[Host 1]

Like in football, every play, every decision, every second counts.

[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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[Dion Dawkins]

Yo, that's. That's crazy because, like, that's so normal. I call everybody schlut, right? Because, like, you know, everything is snow. So I add a shit to everything. And Josh. Josh is scally, but he's the biggest of them all, you know, because he's just. And. And they're like. And they be like, why, Dion? Like, why? And I'd be like, bro, realistically, right? Who wants a bunch of good guys on a football field? We're a bunch of sluts. A bunch of.

[Host 1]

Right?

[Dion Dawkins]

Like, we're a bunch of assholes, right? You're a schlody.

[Host 2]

And Josh is the biggest schlutty of them all, dude.

[Dion Dawkins]

Them all.

[Host 1]

I'll be saying that for a while now. Everybody around the shop.

[Host 2]

I was gonna give you a big intro. We're rolling, baby. And listen, I love the idea of you just calling people schlotties everywhere. Let's get. Let's get into the origin story of snow because I remember this. Yeah. Let me just give you a little backstory. The world, whoever's listening, a little backstory. It's 2000, you rookie is 2017.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yes, sir.

[Host 2]

So 2018, I go to Arizona to train a little bit with my boy Richie incognito. He's like, I'm gonna bring this cat with me, his name is Dion Dawkins. I'm like, all right. Don't know a whole lot about this dude. Pulls up mammoth. I'm staring at his calves like I'm Johnny Drama and entourage. Like, how the do you handle them, boys?

[Host 1]

Dog's got some calves.

[Host 2]

Dog's got some. But I'm telling you right now, there's a hurricane. Hold on to him. You'll be fine. He's the sturdiest man in the entire crazy. And I see this kid like, yo, this dude's built well, he runs well, blah, blah. Then all of a sudden, now we see I'm washed, Richie's washed. But this man's in the problem of his life. He's absolutely killing it for the mvp. So grindr, the whole thing. But you weren't snowing then. There was no snow during our exos time. Or at least you didn't say it. You were a little. You were a little more, like, calm. When did snow become a thing?

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, I was snow. Snow was always a thing. But I was. I was more so sheltering it. I was sheltering snow. I would. Because I was young. Like, I didn't just. Just want to come in there and just start slapping schlotties in the face with snow shit. Oh, snow, Snow. Like, what's this guy doing, right? So. Nah. But snow started like, I'm from Jersey, and we go through all four seasons, and I used to shovel snow as a form of money starting in middle school. So I would wake up early, I would knock on doors, and I would see if people wanted their driveway and their walkway shoveled. And that was only when school was canceled. If school was canceled, then I knew that we had a lot of snow coming. And I just made my business mind like, I'm like, bro, I'm the snowman, right?

[Host 1]

What is outside?

[Dion Dawkins]

During snow days, people go outside, and they build the snowman. So I just became the snowman. So then when you. Before the NFL started taking it away, I was wiping my nose like this from yay high. And I wiped my nose because it was snot. So it was you already snow. I'm wiping the snot off of my face because I was outside. So you already know what your boy Dot and I regret. You know, knock on doors, $20, $40. Driveway, walkway. And even if the people felt safe enough, you know, I would ask them if they wanted their car started because they had to go to work. And if they got their car started, that was a super bonus because they were super thankful and that's when the big tips came. They're like, oh, my God, kid, you're the best. Here, take an extra 20, you know, go and get yourself a Dunkin Donuts coffee. You're great, you know, and that was me. So.

[Host 2]

So basically, the business of the undawkins.

[Dion Dawkins]

Was being the snowman, was the snowman foundation.

[Host 1]

How old were you when you were doing this? When you started doing this?

[Dion Dawkins]

It definitely started in, like, sixth grade. Sixth grade.

[Host 1]

So you. You were in a cat where snow day's happening, you're hanging out with the boys and everything else. You're thinking business savvy. Like, let me get. Let me start getting in this entrepreneur game early, bro.

[Dion Dawkins]

Because. Because you think about it, right? All of my friends, it was Call of Duty time, right? Like, it was back then. It was. It was like way back in the day, like, where you had to really buy Xbox LIVE monthly passes, right? And everybody was like, all right, bet we don't have to wake up at 7am let's sleep till 11, let's sleep till 12, and then let's get on, on. On the game all day. So I'm like, bro, I could go make some money and then come home and you guys are still on the game and I'll just catch up when you guys are in the mix of it. So I came back home with the pocket full of cash and was still whooping dudes on Call of Duty and doing me. So it was just a win, win.

[Host 2]

So you getting yourself a little two for one special. Go ahead.

[Host 1]

I was gonna say, when is this. How is this mentality. How is this mentality taking place? Because, you know, a young cat like that, and then you get around the older heads and they kind of learn about what you're doing. The introduction of Dion Dawkins is like, hey, this kid, he's wise beyond his years thinking about this stuff that early. What. What cultivated this mindset for?

[Host 2]

You came at a Temple University, too. Like, so you get jacked and people are like, we'll see. We really don't know.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, it was.

[Dion Dawkins]

It was just, bro, it was just knowing that you need something else, bro. Like, you just need something else. You're always going to need something else. You know, football was, was and is life, but I've always thought of, like, what's. What's next? Like, you just can't just be a football player. You need to be. Be able to brand yourself and do something that keeps you different, keeps that golden star just overly. Just shining. So if somebody's looking In a dark room, something is just shining just a little bit where they turn and put their head like, oh, snap, there's a snowman. You know? You know, and that's. And that's a vibe. Like, I was just like, bruh. Like, dudes. Dudes like it, like, in the league. And when I was younger, like, it was just like, bro, I wanted it so bad. I wanted to be a player. I wanted to be one of the guys. And I think what started it, bro, it was just like. And I always tell dudes, like, nobody dreamed of being a professional blocker, bro. Don't nobody want to block people for a living, dog.

[Host 2]

Bro, you are so right. When you pop up the Pop Warner, the big kids are like, I'm playing tight end. I'm playing quarterback. Like, no, motherfucker, you are blocking. I'm so sorry.

[Dion Dawkins]

That joint is whack. Don't nobody just want to block for a living. Like, bro, nobody says, oh, my gosh, I want to get to the NFL because I want to block Myles Garrett one on one. Nobody says that. All right? That is not a real thing. So I was just like, bruh, I wanted to catch balls and touchdowns and celebrate and tackle the quarterback. So I was like, all right, cool. So, like, it was like, just like, what can I do more? So my fun comes from a lot of things, you know?

[Host 2]

Yeah. So, hey, that's first off. That's a great mindset to have, because if you only have one source of income, you're one mistake away from being in poverty. So I love the fact that you'll wake up in the morning doing your entire thing. We do the first year, we train with incognito. We're going to get into cognito a little bit because that is. Was our boy.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Your second year, like, let's just. Let's let's break down what the Buffalo Bills were like when you got into the league. So from my vantage point, I get in the league in 2014, quickly, you start to understand there are franchises that people go to for their careers to die. You hear about these, like, older, savvy veterans. They're head to Cleveland, they're head to Buffalo. They had to Cincy. Hell, even the Titans. Sometimes, like, these guys head here, and it's like, this is where we give our last hurrah. But the Buffalo Bills are like, kind of an afterthought. You got Kyle Williams, who's kind of a nasty little guy. And other than that, it's like, you know, we'll handle Buffalo Will probably fall off at some point during the season. Now you guys are seen as contenders, but you came in during like the Buffalo. Everybody hating on Buffalo. People who weren't involved with Buffalo being like, it's really nothing to what it is now. So talk about the growth of that franchise. Obviously starting like, do not start with. But Josh Allen being a massive part of that.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah. So I would start with. So I'll give you the whole thing. You know, when I. And got there, I was McDermott's first draft class, right? It was me, Matt Milano, Trudevius White, right? So draft class. We. We even had Zay Jones. Like, it was. It like it was us. And that was the core, right? Like, so that's what coach built the foundation off of. And he was like, these are our guys. And then we got there and it was just Richie and E. Wood and Kyle Williams and we had Tyrod Taylor and we had. Bro. Like, we. Like, we even had. What's the guy that. It was like the Ohio State older quarterback. He was like a superstar in college. I don't know, like Cordell, like maybe like somebody. And I walk in the locker room and I'm just like, bro, there is a. This. This like this team is stacked. Even. Even like our D line. Like we had like just dudes, bro. Jerry Hughes and. And I forget the guy's name from. From Alabama, but like so many guys. And it was just like we are loaded roster with names, but these guys are not winning games. And then the first year we made the playoffs and we lost to Jacksonville and then the following year we drafted Josh Allen and then we dropped. We drafted Josh Allen and then that's when we had Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmonds and. And we had all these guys and it was just like, wow. Now it's like this thing is really going. And then after that first year with. With Josh Allen and. And Nate Peterman and. And all those guys, it was just like a. It was just like an elevator, bro. And it just kept going up and up and up and up and up. And then the guys just built and became kind of superstars. And then we had Josh Allen and the rest is history.

[Host 1]

Yeah, dude, I absolutely love.

[Host 2]

That's probably the coffee jumping up back there.

[Dion Dawkins]

Dude.

[Host 1]

Hey, somebody's out here at the. Yeah, somebody's out here grabbing a little.

[Host 2]

I got 10 coffees on my way in here today.

[Host 1]

What? Hey, Dion, what year did you get drafted? What year did you come in?

[Dion Dawkins]

2017.

[Host 1]

2017. And Matt Milano, that dude is a stud. I Love me some Matt Milano. That's the olive oil. He's the one that. He's the one that. He's the ingredient that gets the dish going.

[Host 2]

No doubt. But he also brought up Eric Wood. He was a guy that's. He's still in like the Buffalo franchise. He's still working all this. Obviously had a neck injury that ended his entire career. But who, like, Incognito Wood. Like, who were the guys besides coaches that were like, these guys taught me to be pros. Am I saying the two dudes taught.

[Dion Dawkins]

Me how to be pros? LaShawn McCoy.

[Host 2]

Interesting.

[Dion Dawkins]

Shady LaShawn McCoy.

[Host 1]

He's out there making. He makes waves in the media game now.

[Host 2]

Facts.

[Host 1]

He's funny.

[Dion Dawkins]

And he found his niche because even in the locker room, he would always hold court. He would always hold court over basketball game and this and the warriors not winning and the Lakers suck. And yeah, Cleveland is this like. Like, he was one of those guys. And.

[Host 2]

Yeah, and yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

Bro, it was, it was.

[Host 1]

He was one of those. He was one of those guys, man.

[Dion Dawkins]

Bro. Bro, It's. It's just like I. My two big homies is what I call like my three. My big homies. Eric Wood, Richie Incognito and LaShawn McCoy. Those were my guys. Yo, and the crazy thing too, a lot of people for. Forget about this dude. Kelvin Benjamin, kb. Kb. Kelvin Benjamin was. Was one of my guys too. And he actually taught me how to be a pro. And it's. And it's very weird how, you know, his story kind of turned out, but all other good that came from it. I learned a lot of stuff from kb. I would hang out with KB a lot and just learning like, you just gotta just be a guy, bro. Just, just, just, just be a guy.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And what, what are these guys? When you talk about learning to be a pro, like coming from. Coming from Temple and everything else, like, when you, when you say, these are guys that kind of taught me how to be a professional in the NFL. Like, what are those things you think about that you feel like they taught you? Like, when people are out there listening, like, man, I wonder. I wonder what he's meaning by they taught me how to be a pro. Like, what's different from going to college game to the NFL?

[Dion Dawkins]

Well, I would say I'll start with Richie. Learning how to be a pro is not just playing the game right off season was huge. It was the first time that I was free from college, first time I was free from a schedule, first time I was free off into the world. And Richie grabbed me and said, bro, you're coming to Arizona. We're going to work out. I'm going to show you what to do. I'm going to show you what a schedule looks like in the off season. I'm going to show you what I've been doing. And I was like, all right, one, I was excited. I was like, yo, cool. And then I'm in Arizona. I'm a rookie. I. I'm young. I'm like, bro, I'm. I'm going like, Arizona's lit. There's mad girls. There's all type of stuff. I'm like, I'm going, right? I'm going. And I get to. To Arizona, get to enrich his crib. First day we eat and he's like, all right, we're leaving at like 7 o' clock in the morning or. Or so. It was super early. It was super early. And Richie was up before me. And I'm usually on time when it's older guys. Like, I'm like, bro, I want to show the older guys I'm a young guy, I'm on time, I'm a pro. Da, da da da. And I'm up maybe 6 o', clock, 6, 10, right? Richie is in the kitchen already making his oatmeal and doing his thing. And I'm like, bro, this dude is. Is up and in the kitchen. Biggest. Hell no shirt on, making his. Making. Making oatmeal. And I'm like, all right, so that. So I would say that was step one of showing me how to be a pro, being on time, what to eat in the morning and how to train and where to train. Because you could train, but training, I think where you train at is. Is huge. Like, some guys go places just for pictures and, and just to be cool. And like, we were grinding. Like, we were grinding, right? Like, dudes were in there grinding. And then you get to meet guys, right? Like, I got to meet Taylor. And I was like, bro, this is insane. Like, the world knows. I was like, bro, this is insane. I went from college at Temple to first year in the NFL. Now to being with Richie and Taylor, training in Arizona and with the Dogs. And then you learn how to go through the progression of an off season, right? Like, you don't want to overly grind your gears out, but you can still. And work hard, you can still have fun, and you can still enjoy your off season, right? And it's. It's not just train, train, train, train, train, train, train. It's train, train, relax, Recover, train, relax. Recover, train, relax. Recover. Train, train, train, train, train, Relax, train. Training camp, you know, and that's kind of how that went. But then in the building, you know, Richie and Shady taught me, like, how to get in a hot tub, how to get in a cold tub, how to do low maintenance stuff like ISO holds, and. And if your knees ever hurt, just do this. And you need to get the green band. You have to stretch. You, like, find yourself one of the guys in the training room that you can bond with, that can trust you, and you can trust him, that you guys can enjoy and build a process together. And I found Will. Will in. Greenberg is. Is one of my best friends, and I take Will to the Pro bowl every year, and I'm blessed to be a Pro Bowler. I take Will and his family every year because I'm thankful for what Will does for me during the season. He keeps me being a pro, right? Like, I might gain an extra, like, 10 pounds. And he's like, all right, Dion, look, we need to do this. This. Boom. And now it's off, right? So little things and like that. And then notes, right? Like, even notes, right? Like, I was. I was never a overly note taker. Like, I'm not about to sit there and write all the stuff down that can confuse me. I don't like to be confused in a game. I like to keep it very simple, bro. I like to keep it very, very simple. We have a run left, we have a run right. Cool. If we have a run left, I probably only have two people or three people, right? Boom. Boom. In my triangle, I got my dm, the linebacker, and the. And the corner, right? That's all I'm looking at. Not, like, none of that stuff. So I don't trick myself. He's taught me. All right, Diana, this is how you learn. Learn like this, all right? But you have to take at least this much notes down. This is what. And what works. This is what doesn't work. And then you have to also do enough so the coaches see that you're working and that you're not. Just like a. Oh, I got it. And I, you know, I'm that guy, right? So he taught me, like, how to be at that line, but just a little bit above and sometimes just a little bit lower where you can kind of float and, you know, fly at a nice pace.

[Host 2]

So you go. You learn from all these guys how to become a veteran. Now you're in a position where guys are walking in these rookies, especially the offensive line, and they walk in the building. Like, holy, there's Dion Dawkins. Like, that. That's a. Always a crazy transition from go to the guy looking up to people to now people are looking up with you, looking up at you. And then this year, you have a wide receiver who get. Who gets drafted in the first round. Last year, he has a couple of games where he's an hs, He's a healthy scratch, and you are in after a game. Sam, I don't know specifically what you said, but essentially your message was time to grow up, time to mature, and you said it in a very, like, professional way, which I. I hope he wasn't had it. Had his feelings hurt, but, like, you're essentially keeping him accountable publicly, which is awesome, because I'm sure. I'm sure you're doing that internally as well. But what is it like for you to now go from a mentee to a mentor, being on the same team for as long as you have?

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, that's. That's the biggest. That is the biggest challenge, because with the process of being like, the og, you, like, you kind of know what you don't have to do, and know what you have to do. Like, you can float and be in, like, a nice, comfortable area, right? Like, you don't want to show them too much. You want them to be still on that overall process of boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, right? Where now, for example, I'm just on, like, a boom, boom, boom. I know that this works for me. This is all Dion needs. I figured out my process where a young guy could come in and be like, well, Dion just. Just does this, this, and this. I want to try just this, this, and this. When realistically, they should try everything to really figure out whether or not everything is good enough for what they're doing. But, yeah, like, for a guy like Keon, man, like, you just got to just keep them motivated, keep them Keon, you know, and just let him understand that, you know, like, this league is. It's vicious, bro. Like, it's vicious. Like, we didn't see some of the best players get. Get spit out of. Of this league. Like, you have to be able to come in and perform and produce and to show your worth, right? Like, it's a business like, you have built, like, billionaires that have. I, like, I would say hobbies. Almost. Like me with my car stuff, right? Like, if I was a car collector and I was collecting cars, I want all the best cars. And then when I want to drive my car, I want my car to be Able to drive the way that it's supposed to be driving. I don't want to buy a car and the car looks great and then not be able to drive the car when I want to drive the car. Or sometimes the. The car will be a 6 second car and then some in some days and the car is a 10 second car. It's just like, nah, that's not realistic. We want everything to be inconsistent. But yeah, I would say that it gets tough, bro. It. It honestly does and get tough because everybody's watching and whenever and everyone is watching, like, that means you have to consistently be at your best because everybody is learning from you. Like, you know, practice every day. I don't want the guys to see me not practicing. Right. Like, I want the young guys to see me practice. Dion is one of those guys that will practice. He doesn't miss games. He will do every rep. He doesn't want nobody to take his reps. Why is Deion in the league for so, so, so, like, so long? It's because Deion is doing this boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, year in and year out. But, you know, trying to be yourself with not overly showing the cheat codes of the system is basically what I'm saying.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

Right.

[Host 2]

Yeah, you over here. I got my boom, boom, boom, boom. And some guys just want to boom, boom. But I'm saying, if you boom, boom.

[Host 1]

Boom, boom, you got a boom enough to boom.

[Host 2]

And then we ripped over the boom.

[Host 1]

But he was booming, bro. He's like, I might boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Dion Dawkins]

But he was. Don't forget, y' all done had eight cups of coffee. I am on zero.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And I'm. I'm thinking to myself, like, there's somebody out there that's like, yeah, he's really spitting right now. And there's other cats up there. I guarantee you. There's a high school kid right now with a note, a notebook, and a pet out being like, the only about put me on game. And he's got 15 booms written all over paper being like, I think I got it.

[Host 1]

He gave me enough. But do I know the cheat code? Oh, no. You don't want to give out the full spectrum.

[Host 2]

So now, yeah, he's puppy guarding the way to be success successful in the NFL.

[Host 1]

Gatekeeping a little bit.

[Host 2]

Dude, that is so funny.

[Host 1]

The learning curve. When you're. You're going into a level and a status of leadership. How would. How was it for you, like, finding that voice? Because again, it very, to me feels like you're also. You also Enjoy some. Some class clownery like the schlutz, the snowman, that. This, like, you seem like a great energy to be around on a daily basis to. Especially as a young cat. You're like one of them, like, the nucleus of something where you can mess around with Dion, you know, he works, but he. He makes it fun. All these things to where now you fast forward now you have all these years in the league, all these Pro Bowls, to where now the staff, there's more of an expectation for you to be a leader. Like, hey, bro, you see something, say something. What was it like for you to, I guess, find that voice or go through that learning curve of leadership knowing you have a little bit more pressure? Like, hey, maybe you don't want to speak up in this moment, but you feel like, hey, this is a moment, I do need to step up and say so, because I know I swing a big stick with everybody.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, well, that's a great question. I got to think, first, you have to be good, bro. You have to be good, right? Like, ain't nobody gonna respect what you're talking about if you're not performing on the football field, right? You have to be good to. To really speak and lead a room, right? Like, you can't have somebody who's not making plays, like, going there and be.

[Host 1]

Like, yo, we got it.

[Dion Dawkins]

Like, you need to know, like, it just doesn't work. But I think, you know, like, you just have to just go with who you are. Just let your per, like, your personality fly and be yourself. Like, don'. Fake. Just be yourself. Speak the truth. And the guys that are going to gravitate towards you will go and gravitate, and the guys that won't, won't, you know, but usually over the course of the NFL, you know, and good players wind up having a voice and people follow and good players. And I'm blessed that I'm a good enough player that people listen to. And, you know, on our team, this is Josh's team. Like, this is Josh's team, and I'm an assistant to my quarterback. I assist everything that he's doing. I'm his protector. I assist. I'm there to help him. I'm there to help his journey. I'm there to help him be great. So I'm just trying to just do everything that I can so people will continue to listen. And Josh could continue to perform at.

[Host 2]

The best he's able to perform when you're playing games. And a lot of criticism, like, we've been able to do ESPN this year. And in that, like, obviously, the Buffalo Bills are a big topic of conversation, and guys like Dan Orlovsky and a lot of guys who are really good and be critical watching film, and they look at your wide receiver room and they're like, hey, these guys, they're not getting a lot of separation. Josh Allen has to hold the ball for a long time now as an offensive lineman. And I understand. I. I personally understand the frustration that you could deal with probably internally. But let's look back at that Houston Texans game, right? Yeah. Will Anderson, you got Daniel Hunter. And those go, bro, they just go. And there's. There's a couple times there, I see you. I see a couple DSC Brown, and it's like, you.

[Host 1]

Every.

[Host 2]

Every human being, whether you like it or not, you have like an internal clock of like, okay, the ball should be out by now, and then they just keep going. So now. Now, like, you know, you got Chris Collins was on there, but the offensive lines really getting destroyed by that. And it's like, bro, it's not that Josh is holding the ball for five, six seconds.

[Dion Dawkins]

I'm so glad that you asked this because. Because, bro, when it comes down to it, the world wants to see everybody just lock down. Everybody, like, everybody, like. Like people think that blocking is 1, 2, 3, grab. I lifted more weights this week. I should be able to make you not move. It don't work like that.

[Host 2]

Aliens, bro.

[Dion Dawkins]

That's right. That's not right. And I call them aliens, too. Now, right now, those guys play really well football together, right? Everybody's job helps. Everyone's job. If the receivers are killing guys in the secondary, the ball should get out, right? If Josh is holding the football, the ball is going to be in the pocket. Our job is going to get harder. If the receivers are not getting open, Josh is holding the football. Our job is getting harder. Nobody is saying that it's the receiver's fault. I'm saying that in that game, there was a lot going on as a lineman. As a lineman. That internal clock is definitely there, bro. I don't care what nobody say. You're sitting there and you're blocking and you're like, all right, you know, realistically, a play is what, four seconds?

[Host 1]

No, no, no, no.

[Host 2]

Realistically, a play is like three seconds.

[Host 1]

Maybe the ball gets out.

[Host 2]

Quarterbacks, when quarterbacks. I get it. You get the ball fast, like 2.4, 2.7.

[Dion Dawkins]

It's. And it's. That's not that. We were holding guys for. For six seconds, and it's Just like, that's cool. That's what our game was. Cool. The mindset is block forever. Do this. You need to be blocking forever your alignment. Block forever. Block these guys forever, brother. You know? Forever. You get paid $60 million to block. Like, bro. I hate it. Like, I'll be like, bro. You guys are not realistic. I'm human. You guys are not human because you're behind the screen not knowing what it's like. And there is one place specific, right? I'm blocking Will Anderson, and I'm blocking him, right? And the world goes crazy. Dion's holding calls, false start. This guy is always, bruh, leave me alone, right? Like, like, like, like. Not like now. It's like, do I hold this guy, or do I play football the right way? When it's taught to say when the guy is out of your body frame to let him go. So I'm blocking the guy. He's here, he's here, he's here. I could grab him and throw him back across, but it's not realistic. Like, that's a holding call. The referee is standing right. Right there, waiting to throw his flag. He's pump faking. He's pump faking the flag. He's ready. He's ready. He's ready. I'm gonna throw it. I'm gonna throw it. I'm gonna throw it. I'm like, bro, you're not throwing it. So, you know, it's just. That's just what it is. But those two guys, even the interior guys, like, they played well. I tip my hat to the Houston and Texans. They challenged us more than any defensive line we have seen in a while. The previous year, I think we. We gave up maybe two sacks. The year before that, maybe it was like, zero or like. Like, it was, like, crazy. Like, we were the least we got. Josh hit the lease in, like, the last three years, and it was just like. Now we play a group that is juiced up. They're on the climb. They're doing good. They were balling in that point of the season, which they might still be. So I tip my hat to him, bro.

[Host 1]

Bro.

[Host 2]

Yeah. There's a piece of you there that's like. I mean, gotta be in the third core that, like, gets the sideline.

[Dion Dawkins]

And.

[Host 2]

And you might not say it verbally, but, like, in your mind, you're like, these motherfuckers have got to get open faster. Like, can we get out? Can we get a hot route? And I know you don't gotta even respond. You don't. Don't Even respond to that, because that's only gonna be Bill's mafia people. But the end Dawkins is not appreciative. But I'm telling you, bro, I know where your brain's at in that situation, and it is fucking brutal. I hate it. And now. Now, hey, congratulations. You played the Houston a couple weeks ago. Well, there's a guy you got to play against, has 21 and a half sacks.

[Dion Dawkins]

Oh, Miles Garrett. Yeah, we all know that guy. Yeah. I can't wait. No, no, no.

[Host 2]

It's.

[Dion Dawkins]

It's. It's. It's. It's amazing, bro. Truly, right? Like. Like, I'm a com competitor, right? Like, I push to be the best. I want to be one of the greats, you know? Like, we got that protector of the war. The year award thing passed. Games like this show it, bro. Like, who you are, what type of player you are. I understand Miles. And look, he's a. He's. He's a war daddy man, you know? And that's just what it is, right? Like, some. Like, sometimes you gotta play the grim reaper, dog. And the world sees it. There ain't no hiding behind it. I just know that no man could get that job done.

[Host 2]

No, no, no.

[Dion Dawkins]

I'm just. I'm just playing, bro.

[Host 1]

It's a.

[Dion Dawkins]

It's a. It's a beautiful competition. We have schemes. We have a plan in play, and hopefully the plan is executed at its highest ability because Miles is coming for that sack title, and I'm here to stop it. And Miles knows, bro. See you on the other side, man.

[Host 2]

And Miles knows, bro. Right? Miles. Miles.

[Dion Dawkins]

Dude.

[Host 2]

Hey, cuz, he is like, if he. He's at 21, the record's 22, correct?

[Host 1]

Yeah, I think so.

[Host 2]

22 and a half.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, it's something and a half.

[Host 2]

That is sickening. Because if he would have just have 22 and a half right now, it'd be like, oh, he's kind of. He's got the record, but he's trying to get the record against you. Like, you. Like, there's an unfortunate circumstance that 60 minutes in a game this weekend, the most likely, likely scenario, because there are 63 plus snaps, there could become a time where he could get the sack record on Josh Allen. And that sucks.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yo, this is making my stomach hurt, dude.

[Host 2]

And I hate doing this because I know the feeling you have, because I.

[Host 1]

Remember, like, oh, man, you got. Hey, they show. They show the clip now. Like, again, I don't want to put this pressure on you. They show this clip straight. Straight Ain't getting far if they show the clip.

[Host 2]

Oh.

[Host 1]

Over and over and over. And you don't want to be the guy where this is the play that the record got broken, Right.

[Host 2]

Can't be.

[Host 1]

Can't be.

[Host 2]

You got to go up to your head coach this week and be like, bro, I don't give a. If we have to slide to him and chip him every time he cannot get it. Let's lose the game. Let's just make sure he has no stats.

[Dion Dawkins]

We ain't losing the game.

[Host 2]

You're right. That was too far.

[Host 1]

Gonna stand up in front of the team and be like, hey, we gotta jump on these boys. We gotta get out ahead of them early because we gonna run the Rock. The entire second half. Everybody just starts kind of laughing.

[Host 2]

He doesn't say a whole lot. I don't know why he's up here. We have to run the Rock.

[Host 1]

Everybody out there calling us because we can't run it. Who cares if we're the number one rush offense?

[Host 2]

I don't give a. If we don't throw the ball the.

[Host 1]

Entire game, we're gonna prove a point this weekend. Yeah.

[Host 2]

So anyway, bro, I hope you're having fun. I'm busting with the boys right now.

[Dion Dawkins]

Go the other way.

[Host 2]

Yeah, go the other way. Slide, chip, Cut them. Use a sifter. Like, we know all the tricks. Like, we got it. We gotta do it. And I like, yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yo, People really don't understand.

[Host 2]

They don't.

[Dion Dawkins]

And they will never. They will never truly understand.

[Host 2]

They. Bro, Keep.

[Dion Dawkins]

My example of this, fellas, is like, I'm not calling myself Kobe or Michael Jordan. I'm just using two notable names, okay? D line and O line. It's like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan playing against each other. And you can pick whatever one has the ball. Okay, let's say Kobe in this sense, right? Because Miles favorite athlete of all time, I believe, is Kobe. Right? So Kobe against Michael Jordan. Kobe has the ball. Michael Jordan just has to play defense the entire time. Who is going to score the most points? The person with the ball.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

Can you imagine Michael Jordan just having to play defense the entire time and protecting the rim like this? That's what an old lineman is, right? We are on the. Hey, don't score.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

While those guys are. Let me show you my best move. I can spin in circles, you know? Like, bro, it's. It's tough. And this is what people don't understand is it's hard to be alignment. I have a lot of pride in being an offensive Lineman. But just know that what the world wants to see in certain things is impossible. Like, it's impossible with certain things. And it's just. It is. And what it is, you know?

[Host 1]

Yeah, it's like they're on good. It's like the unfortunate reality to where it's like the old lineman, they're not even close to the sexiest position anything. It's just, oh, we gave up eight or the offensive line give up eight sacks. Like, our offensive line is brutal. They don't care. They don't care to seek to understand. Like, maybe sometimes like when you're watching the game and you're dialed in on like, oh, let's see, like them Bill's mafia sickos that are big fans of you guys and everything else, and they have that little more empathy, like, as they're watching the game, because it's like, man, it would have to. It would suck to block Will Anderson, Miles Gary, yada, yada, yada. But for the most part, people don't. They don't care to understand because it's the. It's the element of entertainment, stats analytics, all these things to talk about. Because so when you're in the middle of that game against the Houston Texans and them sacks are piling up, it's almost like if you're an offensive line, you're like, where the world is about to just rip us to shreds. Yeah. Because they have no clue everything that goes into all of this.

[Dion Dawkins]

And also, bro, like, the stat board and all this crazy stuff. Like, I wish that, like, you could hone in and look at this stuff. But like, the stats don't really show what's going on in a game. Like, I wish that there could be a clip for every stat. Right. Every stat should have a clip besides like running and stuff like that, because that's like impossible. But stuff like how many sacks does this guy have? How many right sacks and how many.

[Host 2]

Times.

[Dion Dawkins]

All this stuff. See that? See that? Because realistically, the stat sheet will say, oh, that offensive line got sacked 10 times, but maybe four of those, the quarterback ran out of bounds behind the. The line of. Of scrimmage. So that's titled a sack. Maybe it was a mush sack where every. It was a coverage sack or, or all this stuff. And sometimes the closest guy gets pinned with the sack. That's just how like, how it goes. And then people will say, oh, the stat sheet said, blah, blah, blah, blah. I didn't even like, watch the game. So, oh, that guy sucks. You know, but realistically, that's not what it is. It's not true. But, you know, I wish people would see that more often. And that should be a thing. There should be a way people could click on every stat and be like, did he lose a one on one? Did he really lose a one on one rep? Because we have like one on ones in practice. Those are, those are reps that you can count where you're one on one and somebody beats you and. All right, but you lost. That's a one on one rep. But not like no covered sack or it was a mush sack and you were supposed to slide this way and they didn't pick this up and you ran out and the guy just like, no, bro.

[Host 2]

Like, yeah, it's way too much of like a blanketed, vague, like sack or no sack for sure. I love what you're saying though. As an off, as an ex offensive lineman, it's like, yes, dude. It would be nice like if it says, okay, the. Like, we played. Was it 2018 when we gave 11 sacks?

[Host 1]

Yeah, the Ravens.

[Host 2]

We played the Ravens and It was like 11 sacks. And like me, me being like the face of that offensive line at the time, I'm obviously catching a bunch of heat for it. And, and I, I wouldn't watch back to film. Like, there's a couple times where guys would get beat one on one. Like you're, you're kind of saying, but a lot of those sacks I look at and you're like, you can't say this publicly. You can't go like in a press conference after and be like, you guys don't understand. Like, the guys weren't getting open and Marcus sold in the ball and then all of a sudden Marcus ran out of the bounds. Like, it sucks because it's just one stat. It's like, oh, 11 sacks. It's like, holy, this offense line got murdered all day. And it's like, yeah, there's some truth to that. But at the same time, like, when a guy is, you know, looking, he's outside the pocket and he's running, he just steps out of bounds 1 inch behind the line of scrimmage, like, that's a sack. It's like, can we just call that a tfl? Or can we put a little sack with an asterisk next to it?

[Dion Dawkins]

Something else. Yes, call it something else, man. Because calling a sack is, is not what it is. That, that hearing that, it like drives offensive linemen crazy. Because that's like one of our biggest things. Like, like, oh, yeah, bro. Like, you Had a tough day. Yeah. You gave up resects.

[Host 2]

It's like, it's a money thing. It's a team thing. It sucks because, like the sack, the sack thing, People don't realize how important the sack or no sack thing is in the world, especially when you're like, when you're going through contract negotiations. How many sacks did he give up? Oh, it says he gave up five sacks this season. Okay, well, what are those five sacks look like? Am I blocking for six seconds and there's a sack? And there's people that are watching this right now being like, yo, who really gives a.

[Host 1]

It's like I'm sitting here, like we do. I'm sitting here listening to the offensive lineman. I'm like, damn, they really. Yeah, they're venting right now, yo.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, we are. We are.

[Host 1]

Don't understand. I feel like I'm sitting here as like a therapist just listening to you guys go back and.

[Host 2]

So how does that make you feel when you hear the word sex? Yeah, like a little ptsd, dude.

[Dion Dawkins]

It makes you start twitching. Like this sack. Yeah, I remember that when I was. Oh yeah, I remember that one rookie year.

[Host 2]

And you remember every single sack too? Every single one. And it's. So you're telling me that the AI that's meant to make everyone's job easier to manage just adds more to manage? On top of the thousands of apps the IT department already manages? Funny how that works. Any business can add AI. IBM helps you scale and manage AI to change how you do business. Let's create Smile to business.

[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

You know what separates the pros from the rest? It's not just talent. It's how you respond. When the game gets tough. Do you dig in? You fight back. And when it comes to your health, that same mindset matters.

[Host 1]

Yeah, especially if you or someone you care about is facing metastatic prostate cancer. There's a treatment called pluvicto, lutetium L 177, vapivitide, tetraxitan. And it's changing the game.

[Dion Dawkins]

Plavicto isn't chemo.

[Host 1]

It's a different kind of treatment that.

[Dion Dawkins]

Targets PSMA positive cells, including prostate cancer cells. Plovicto can be used before chemotherapy for some people.

[Host 2]

Here's the official word. Pluvicto is a prescription treatment used to treat adults with prostate specific membrane antigen positive metastatic castration resistant prostate cancer or PSMA positive MCRPC who have already been treated with hormone therapy and are considered appropriate to delay chemotherapy.

[Host 1]

Now let's talk safety. Pluvicto involves contact with radioactivity, which may increase the risk for cancer and cause fetal harm. Drink plenty of fluids, urinate often, use contraception, and talk to your doctor about how to reduce the risk of exposing others to radiation during and after treatment. It can also cause low blood cell counts, kidney problems and infertility.

[Dion Dawkins]

Tell your doctor if you notice weakness, pale skin, shortness of breath, bleeding or bruising more easily, an infection, or changes in urination.

[Host 2]

Side effects include decreased blood cell counts, tiredness, dry mouth, nausea, appetite loss, joint or back pain, and constipation.

[Host 1]

Look, every day matters, and if you're in the fight or know someone who is, this is a conversation worth having.

[Dion Dawkins]

Ask your doctor about Plavicto because just.

[Host 1]

Like in football, every play, every decision, every second counts.

[Host 2]

Visit pluvicto.com to learn more. That's P L-U-V-I-C-T-O.com this is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Lost Cultureistos with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.

[Host 1]

Hey Bowen, it's gift season.

[Host 2]

Ugh, stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me? Exactly, honey. I'm easy. But you're right, holiday gifting is stressful. And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.

[Dion Dawkins]

Wait, what about the guide we made.

[Host 2]

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[Dion Dawkins]

Psst.

[Host 2]

She wants a pair of stilettos.

[Dion Dawkins]

Or Best gifts for me that were.

[Host 2]

So thoughtful I really shouldn't have dying to see what those are. And you won't believe their prices. Just wait till you see what else is in there. It's basically a one stop shop for everyone. You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.

[Host 1]

Honestly, this is the guy for the.

[Host 2]

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[Dion Dawkins]

Check out the guide on marshalls.com it's.

[Host 2]

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[Host 1]

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[Host 2]

Yeah, the casual fan just wants to watch football and then make a judgment based on watching the game and then hear the commentator go, oh, the offensive lines giving up this many sacks. Like, man, they're kind of fucking ass, aren't they? They kind of suck and they move on.

[Dion Dawkins]

But commentators control the narrative.

[Host 2]

When will, when Will brought up the word pff? You said something.

[Host 1]

He said, that's bullshit.

[Host 2]

I want you because I, I've been, dude, I've been holding this flag.

[Dion Dawkins]

They, I, I think you're about to PFF greatness, man. PFF controls the world. PF PFF is going to tell you if you're good or you suck balls. Nah, bro, I freaking hate it. You hate just like that. I do not. Pff. Like, I love the fact that they are stats and they get the stat thing out there, but I it. Everything needs to be sharpened. Like, like you just can't title certain like, certain things for certain things, and you guys are just grabbing all of the sheets from one mega board to just, like, be like, all right here just to get it all done. Like, bro, like, you need a whole Google factory to be in there to sort through it all for every player. If you're doing that. Like, that's not fair. Like, that's just not fair, bro. And it's just like, y' all are, like, glorifying pressures. Like, oh, that was a pressure. Put it down. Oh, that was a pressure. Hey, put it down. Like, how do you know? Is it. Is it like a red error button? Like, once it gets closer to the quarterback? Oh, error, error. Cool pressure, right?

[Host 1]

Like, I've had Chris.

[Dion Dawkins]

I know.

[Host 1]

Like, he got that close to Josh.

[Host 2]

Well, yeah. Chris Collinsworth, I think he's an investor in pff. I know there's a handful of guys. There's a Chris Collinsworth.

[Dion Dawkins]

Dude.

[Host 2]

Here's what bothers me about PFF is there's 32 teams in the NFL. Every team has a version of gap scheme, a version of inside zone, mid zone, outside zone, perimeter runs, those types of things. Just looking at the run playbook, because we've. We've beaten to death pressures and everything like that, which I'll talk about all day if you want. You said it in the beginning of the show. Like, if you want to keep it as simplistic as Dion Dawkins does, is like, I focus on my triangle, okay? I have the defensive end. I have the linebacker in the corner, or the safety, if the safety is down the corner's back. There's no way that. Pff. A person who's not in the building of the Buffalo Bills knows what your assignment is every single play and what you're supposed to do and how. Where your hat placement, your hand placement supposed to be on outside zone as opposed to inside zone, as opposed to mid zone. And then gap scheme, it's like, okay, are we going to the backside linebacker? Are we going to the mic linebacker? Am I traying into the front side linebacker? Because we're really keeping it front side. And then now. Oh, the. Now the guards pulling and pulling up into the hole. So it's supposed to be in between the tackles, but no, now he went to the perimeter, so now we need to get on the outside shoulder. So if they go inside, that's bad, but if they go up and around and make the tackle, hey, that's a whole lot better. There are so many different variables that take place in different blocking schemes, because truly, There are probably 12, 12 plays, 12 run plays in football, but there's 15 different, like, versions of versions of each of those plays. So it's unfair for PFF to look at Dion Dawkins, Brown, anybody, and be like, okay, this is wrong and this is right because. Because we. I had this argument with them at the super bowl one year and they're like, yeah, there's probably four or five, six plays a game that we don't know. It's gray area. And we'll just grade it based on what we think. Well, if there's 63 plays in a game like that, you're. You're moving full percentage points. Oh, one way or the other. And it's based off of the name. Like, if you are a rookie, Dion Dawkins, you are, and it looks like you messed up as opposed to playing next to Richie incognito. They're going to give Richie grace and not you. Now that you're older and you've had a couple pro bowls under your belt, they're going to give you a little more grace and they're going to kill the guy next to you. So. So it's like, that's where people need to be very cautious when they look at a 68.7 grade or a 73 or this blocking grade or that blocking grade, because it is really. It's unfair and it's wrong. Good or bad, whether they have you in a good place or a bad place, for sure.

[Host 1]

Yeah, there, there's. There's. There's going to be an element of, of human error because they're not in the. The building. With all of these teams, however, just hot take on my side. And again, I have no reason to love PFF because the way he invests in pff. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I will say I do enjoy PFF now that I've got. We've gotten into the world because again, you can look at, you know, what you guys favor as an offense, whether it's inside zone, outside zone, duo scheme or man blocking pullers. You could you. I get to watch film now on this side of it, as close to when I was in the building prepping for a team every week.

[Host 2]

Just as close as you're looking at. Not just linebackers. That's where PFF is great. The ability to go and see, hey, I want to see what man reaches are like. I want to see what pools are like.

[Host 1]

And I, I can, I can formulate my own opinion based on like, okay, this team gave up 10 pressures. Let's actually look at these pressures and whatever argument I'm trying to formulate, if I'm trying to battle for you guys or against you guys, you can kind of formulate that yourself. Because I will say whenever Dion does get on the other side, whenever he does get on, let's just say he's a busing with the boys guy. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Which would absolutely be amazing.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And he was in our world to where now he's going to be because he's clearly an entertaining cat. He's got a future in something like this to where now he was seeing it from this lens. I think Dion would be all about PFF in the film, in that film, in the stats.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Go ahead.

[Dion Dawkins]

I will tell you right now. I would tell you right now. I do not hate PFF 100%.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Dion Dawkins]

I just think that there is a lot of things that need to be sharpened up.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

I can see why PFF works and is very valuable to the average. Not just to call them average, but to the regular consumer. Like, that's cool. Right. But for the people that it matters if, like, if you gonna talk about, like, oh, you're this and that and it needs to be right, bro. You need to know exactly what's going on. What to grade what happened. Why did this happen? Is this. This whose fault? And was this what is going on? But yes, but if we're talking about just breaking film down, any source that can make film go from 6 hours to 20 minutes is great.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

I don't care what nobody said.

[Host 2]

No, no. I agree with what both of you are saying. And I think we can find a nice medium ground here when it comes to percentages and someone saying, this is how good this place player did. I do not agree with pff. I think. Yeah, I do not. I. You literally have to have a PFF employee in every single franchise to sit there and be like, what are your grades? Take me through it. But that does not happen on will side. Being able to watch the film like we're players all over again when we go to get to do this show right here or ESPN or something like that. Infinitely helpful. As opposed to watching an all. Even an all 22 or the. You YouTube cut up. Right. Of like, here are the highlights of what took place because you're able to see the back view, the side view, the front view, everything. Yeah, that is extremely helpful.

[Host 1]

The one thing I hate is how they put the players rankings on say they're on a game and then they have the.

[Dion Dawkins]

Oh and it'd be like, 16.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2]

16, too. He's. He went back and watch that like this.

[Dion Dawkins]

I'll be like, bro, I'd be like, that's. That's. That's not fair, bro. You can't put somebody on some of them dudes. It'd be like, 88 out of 95. I'm like, there's no way, bro. I said, stop doing that.

[Host 2]

I know.

[Host 1]

I know. Like, you know, I get the monster of entertainment. Fans and people just love just the debates, the arguments, the things that go on outside of the. Outside of the microscope of. In those buildings. But, yeah, I do. I'm always like. Every time I see the rankings, I'm like, man, it sucks, because if.

[Host 2]

Yeah, if you're.

[Dion Dawkins]

If you're a player, he's falling off. Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

10 to 12. He's not that good this year.

[Host 1]

Yeah. If I sit there and if I'm watching the Buffalo Bills midway through the season, I see Dion Dawkins. He's. He's 27th out of 32. I'm like, man, Dion kind of lost his step.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Dion Dawkins]

Wait, is that what it said?

[Host 1]

I'm making that up.

[Dion Dawkins]

There's no way, bro. I said, all right, bro. I'm not playing. I'm done.

[Host 2]

You know, it's funny, too, is those. Those headshots that everyone does. People don't really like. You do that in August. And so, you know, the little. Live when Chris Collins were like, let's get to. Let's. Let's introduce ourselves to this offensive line. And it just goes, deion Dawkins, you already schno. And it's 27 out of 32. It's like, oh, this dude's making jokes in his ass.

[Host 1]

What are we talking about?

[Dion Dawkins]

For sure?

[Host 2]

Can't have it. Can't have it.

[Dion Dawkins]

That would. That would hurt my heart. Even hearing us play about 27 out of 32 is. No, bro.

[Host 2]

Bro. Isn't it crazy how your expectation changes? Like, when you get in the league, you get drafted at a temple, and you're like, holy, dude. Holy. I am in the NFL. It'd be amazing just to start in a game and you get that first start, and you're like, yeah, dude, this is incredible. Could you imagine if I started all 16 games or 17 games? And then you do, and then it's like, what if I could make a Pro Bowl? Then you do. And now you've been in this situation where your standard is Pro Bowl, All Pro every single year, and you've already achieved Goals that you told yourself would make you happy at one point. But that's truly what the NFL is, man. Like you are, you're only the paranoid survive. That's all that. You just got to keep going no matter what. It's crazy. What do you, when these younger guys are coming in and their eyes are all big like, what are some of the first things you're telling them when they come in? Because you, you were that cat. That's like, if I could just play a snap in the NFL, like I kind of did it like no matter what. And you've kind of hit that lowest bar for yourself that and make you happy. But now you're this cat essentially chasing a hopeful hall of Fame career.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, I, I, I tell all other guys to don't shy away from the person that got you here, right? Be the person that got you here. The coaches will mold you into the person that they want to see you as best fits for the team. Right? Be who you are, right? And then I always tell him, bro, availability is your best asset in this league, right? Being available, being as healthy as you can, doing as much as you can to keep your body ready to go. This league is 100% injury rate. There's some things that you cannot like, you know, attest with, but try to be as available as you can with your process in the training room to be ready to play.

[Host 1]

Hey, on that note, how nuts is it, fellas? I don't know if you've thought about it, but I couldn't just love the.

[Host 2]

Way you started it.

[Host 1]

I could not stop thinking about Philip Rivers coming back after five years off and almost like he had the lead, like was on a game winning drive against the Seattle Seahawks. Like, like boys. And again, that, that's, that's why I kind of give the, the moment of that question because I'm like, do people, can people wrap their brain around that? Like, I get he's a, he's a neck up guy, this and that, but he was just coaching, he's been coaching high school football for the last five years.

[Host 2]

Couch boy, that's incredible.

[Host 1]

Like, his son, his son Gunnar Rivers has been his quarterback. He's probably going to be a D1 player. But they're watching their dad take a phone call, they're watching their dad take a phone call to go to the Indianapolis Colts to try and help, you know, hold on to the season that the Colts have. And he's out there beating for the majority of the game one of the best defenses in the league in the league and, you know, the season that blows my mind. 44 years old, 5 years old.

[Host 2]

It's also incredible to me seeing some guys in the mainstream media hate on Philip Rivers playing like. Like, why would you do this? You're putting this guy. You should have called this guy or that guy or this guy. There's so many.

[Dion Dawkins]

What are you talking about?

[Host 2]

Worry about who I'm talking about, dog. I'm just saying, a lot of people want to hate on Philip Rivers going out there, and it's like, bro, if any of us were capable. If I was capable of playing right now and the Tennessee Titans called me, I was like, listen, we need you for two, three games. We know we're probably not contenders.

[Dion Dawkins]

You're going like, you're not about to say, go and get him. Yeah, no. Yeah, true.

[Host 2]

No, 100%. Like, you just got to go. And it's like, he goes out there. There was a couple moments in that game, you're like, yeah, he slipped. He kind of crawling away because the rush is kind of getting to him. But, bro, he's throwing like. He's throwing balls to the sideline. He's throwing dudes open. And you can see that ball, too. Hey, bro, he'd be like, there's a couple. There's a couple third and threes, where guy does a quick little out round. He's got a little bit of separation. You see him do his little funny little wind up and throw it, and missile coming out. And then all of a sudden, like, halfway through it just kind of. The ball just kind of putters out. He just doesn't have what it used to have. But he threw at 44 years old. He throws a touchdown in the NFL. And that is insane. And it's like, it's. I love the way. I love that the Colts did this because they could have called any guy. They could have called any young cat. And then the Seahawks would have blown him out 40, whatever to 10, and that would have kind of been it. But the fact that Philip Rivers, like, all of us kind of tune into that game. Not you, because you're playing, but, like, we tune in that game, be like, yo, look at him, man. I played against this guy. I'm washed and I'm 34, and this dude's 10 years older than me playing in the league.

[Host 1]

Yeah. I'm sitting there 10 minutes before the game started, making sure the TVs got the right channel on, because I'm. I'm legitimately just curious, like, is he gonna be able to do this because clearly he had the relationship. You guys know it's a lot about relationships when you're in the NFL. Like if you're getting a call to come back or anything else. Like if you have a trust or a bond with a coach like Steichen and Rivers, I think we're together like eight years prior to that. Philip Rivers is running Steichen's offense with his high school football team.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And then just to sit there, the game's about to come on his high school team or some players back home, like they're, they're sitting in a spot watching the game on TV and everybody's just waiting to see is he going to be able to do this right? And to see him go out there and compete like that. And he's got a full on dad bod. Like he's thicker in the neck.

[Host 2]

He's every bit of you.

[Dion Dawkins]

You can see it, you can see it.

[Host 1]

He's got the win windbreaker on pre game to wear his chest like it's, you know, it's thicker and it's kind of the windbreakers covering the belly and everything else.

[Host 2]

Dustin, when comes by you see like, oh, that's just belly. That ain't, that ain't just a bigger T shirt.

[Host 1]

This a full on dad. Like we're watching the movie the Rookie. We're watching the movie Warrior where the high school teacher goes in the octagon and fights and they're all watching around the TV to see if their, their high school coach can go out there and play on NFL Sunday.

[Host 2]

Can I point out one thing that the world kind of needs? It was kind of talked about a little bit on Twitter. Philip Rivers has 20 kids. Seven kids. For real? Well, how many kids you have?

[Host 1]

Yeah, in between, in between 10 and 12.

[Host 2]

His dude, his oldest, his oldest kid, his daughter is the same age as Camward. Yeah. Congrats on the sex. Congratulations. When you're out, buddy. When you're out of the league for five years, you lose your health care. Well, this would be his fifth year. Yes. Like they, when you are a vested player, you get health care for five years. He's all ball. He doesn't know yet. You get health care for five years and then after that you are expected to pay for your own health care after that. Well, this is the fifth year for Philip Rivers and if he plays one game, which he did yesterday, that next five years, restarts like, this is a, this is a bigger play than just 53 and a third. Like this dude, this man came out and he's like, you want me to do what? Hey, when's it. Yeah, that's a lot of money for seven kids now. That's a lot of money for seven. I think he might have even more than seven kids.

[Host 1]

Yeah, it's in between 10 and 12 kids.

[Host 2]

And can I just say, dude, I. I love it. I love that he's got 11 kids.

[Host 1]

He's got.

[Host 2]

I think that's the coolest thing ever is.

[Dion Dawkins]

Me too. I think that that is cool as hell, bro.

[Host 2]

Just imagine the chaos in your life. You go home and it's like, yeah, there's really no control in them. Like, I just got. Got a pack of monsters ripping around, and hopefully they just turn up.

[Dion Dawkins]

Just play the safety blanket. Just make sure that nobody gets hurt.

[Host 2]

Just make sure there's rubber on all the sharp corners in the house until, like, the youngest one's 15. You're like, all right, let's hope to God it works out.

[Host 1]

He's got.

[Dion Dawkins]

Can you imagine eating, bro? It's chaos, bro. It's chaos.

[Host 2]

Imagine the bill.

[Dion Dawkins]

Like, you can't even order, like, a pie pizza. Like, you got to order like six pies of pizza. That's hard. Horrible.

[Host 2]

It's insane.

[Host 1]

It's nuts, too, because his oldest, I believe, is like older than Cam or like the rookie class.

[Host 2]

The same age. They're both three years old. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Youngest, like the oldest, like Gunner Rivers, his son. And the however many is in that older Anchalon, that older tier of Angelon. They got to watch it when they were younger, right? Like, be on the field, take the pictures, like, see their dad for who everybody knows him to be. And so they're just curious, like, can dad still go out there? Like, this is hilarious.

[Dion Dawkins]

They're probably watching like that. Please don't get hit.

[Host 1]

Please don't get hit. Like, you know, their group chats are blowing up. Like, all their friends talking about it. They got to witness Philip Rivers play. And then the youngest, who. They just hear the lore of their dad. They don't really know, you know, what their. What their dad was able to do. They hear through everybody else that's older than them, through their dad, through their mom. And they're getting to watch him for the first time or maybe as early as they can, like on Sunday. I think it is. I think it is the coolest story happening right now.

[Host 2]

I love it.

[Dion Dawkins]

It just.

[Host 1]

He's a grandpa, bro.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah. It revamped his life, man.

[Host 2]

Dude. I mean, just another five year bit. We'll see him at 49 years old, too. 49. I'll come out, play a quick game. Real quick. DM, we. I know you got a boogie. We got Greg Olson coming on a second. I got one last question for you. It's the Bud Light question. We all know that anyone would do anything for a Bud Light. Ice cold, crisp Bud Light. What is something that Dion Dawkins would do anything for? Can't say. Family.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yo, ask the question again, please.

[Host 2]

All right, fair enough.

[Host 1]

What would you do anything for?

[Host 2]

What would you do anything for?

[Dion Dawkins]

What would I do anything for? Like, I would do anything for Super Bowl. I would do anything for. Like that.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yes. Yes.

[Dion Dawkins]

Well, let's stay in the athlete world. I would do anything for. But do I have to be. All right. I would do anything for. To see Josh Allen hold up the MVP trophy after we win a Super Bowl.

[Host 1]

Damn.

[Host 2]

That is. That's the best answer.

[Host 1]

That's the man. That's the right hand of the King.

[Host 2]

Yeah, it is, dude. That's his number.

[Host 1]

What's it like? You guys, like, clearly, you guys have good. You guys have good energy. You have good juice. You talk about the. The snow, the schloty. Like, Josh Allen, he's known for his dick jokes. Like, what is that camaraderie? Like, in the locker room, between me. Yeah, between. How many times?

[Host 2]

How many.

[Host 1]

How often does he get you with the dick joke, bro?

[Dion Dawkins]

Every day. Every day he has something new, bro.

[Host 1]

I swear.

[Dion Dawkins]

I like. I think he goes. I think he picks one of these up, right? I think he picks one of these up and goes on the Internet and finds out the best starter jokes, and then he takes the start, and then he drastically changes the end of the joke because he can start talking to you, and it's to the point where you'll know, like, all right, Josh is trying to play. Don't say nothing else. If you say, oh, my favorite color is blue, he'll say, oh, blue. You layer, like, something just like, like, like, like, just, like. All right, Josh, right? But it's good, bro. Like, he's like all of our big little brothers. I've been with Josh for a long time, man, and I'm happy. I'm happy that Josh is at a happy place, man. I'm happy. I've seen this. This guy grow. I've seen him go from, you know, just a regular dude to, I'm a great football player, and then off the field, wish it was better. And then, boom. Josh is just enjoying life and just being, like, who he is, and he's.

[Host 1]

Gonna be a dad.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, he's gonna be a dad, bro. He's gonna be a dad, dude. Going to be a dad.

[Host 2]

I know we're getting excited about him being a dad, but has there ever been a time in the huddle that Josh Allen has got somebody with a dick joke during a game?

[Dion Dawkins]

Has there been a time in a huddle where. Where Josh said a dick joke? Yes, there has been multiple times in a huddle where Josh has said jokes in a huddle. Yes, but only when. Only when games are going right, Like. But not more than you would think, but just a couple times. And just a couple times where Josh is just like, all right, bro, Come on, let's finish. Here we go. You know?

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're beating the Panthers 40 to 3. He's going out for his last drive. You're running the ball.

[Dion Dawkins]

Boys will be boys. Yeah, boys will be boys. Yo, you want to know and what's crazy, too, Even thinking about, like, the Bud Light thing? Like, yo, my dad, right? My dad worked for Budweiser for probably 25 years, brother. I grew up in, like, a Bud Light factory in Newark, New Jersey. I know the full process of how beer is made and all the filtering processes and cleaning of the chips and seeing the trucks come in from off the highway, that they clean all of the stuff in the back of the truck, and the guys come and dump it. And, bro, it's. It's just insane that, like, every time, like, I see that Bud Light symbol and then hearing you, like, talk about it or ask me a question through it, like, it just brings me there, bro. But it's kind of cool, bro.

[Host 2]

That's awesome.

[Host 1]

Yeah, that is cool to hear, man. It is.

[Dion Dawkins]

It is actually, like, really and really cool, because a lot of people don't even know, but there's so much that goes into making one beer. Like, yeah, so much that goes into making beer. But beer is for the boys.

[Host 2]

For the boys. I love it, dude. I love that that Bud Light gives you nostalgia. I love that you have the hobbies with the cars. I love that you're on the Buffalo Bills, right? The right hand man of Josh Allen. I pray to God you guys win a Super bowl this year, because Brennan Bean told us we win a Super bowl, we can throw him through it. We're basically gonna be on the parade with you, and we're gonna. We're gonna go crazy on some Bud Lights together. Oh, buddy. And we're gonna take all the credit, too.

[Dion Dawkins]

We're gonna pretend like we've Done nothing, hopefully, bro. Because if we win. Win this freaking super bowl, brother, hopefully the. A big dude could get signed to freaking Jordan Taylor. That's what I want. I want, like, one like you or like Trent or like one of the. One of the OG cool dudes to just be signed with Jordan so the young guys could be motivated, brother.

[Host 2]

Sign with Jordan, dude. Let's get that dialed in for the boy.

[Host 1]

Shoot.

[Dion Dawkins]

Let's.

[Host 2]

If there's a guy that can do it right now who in the prime of his career, why not make it happen?

[Host 1]

Gotta have the youth. Dion's got to come on the bus in the offseason.

[Host 2]

Yeah, I think Dion, when we get in the. This, the energy.

[Host 1]

This, the energy.

[Host 2]

Energy we need. Dion also. Do you still do in your YouTube channel?

[Dion Dawkins]

Yeah, I still rock with it.

[Host 2]

Still doing his YouTube channel. He does a lot of stuff with cars. Maybe there's, like, a vlog situation we can do with him.

[Dion Dawkins]

Yo, look, first of all, done. We're going to do this, okay? I need to get you guys in a drift car.

[Host 2]

I'm down.

[Dion Dawkins]

Let me get. Look, don't jump the gun. Let me be the one to birth you guys into the drift world. I promise you, it is the best thing ever. T Pain. Yes. The singer. He is one of the homies. He also drifts. We get the rocking, hurt the big Indian crew, all of the vibes, bro. I'm telling you, Drifting will change your life. Because you guys are just as crazy as me, right? Like, we're like 10am vibes. Like, we're. I'm telling you, Drifting will change your life, okay? I'm telling you, bro. Yo, look, you spinning, Imma buy you a drag. It's all live, bro.

[Host 2]

Hey, I'm gonna take it home with me. I got money in the bank.

[Dion Dawkins]

Shawnee, what you think about that? Because I be in the green candidate. We in a like, boo. Yeah, that's fine, bro.

[Host 2]

We're in it. We're absolutely. I. I'm 100 down. You name the time, you name the place of the schedules work out, we'll make it happen.

[Host 1]

Afterwards, we'll be talking, too. Like, we'll be recapping our. Our experience. Like, hey, Dion, he asked in this drift car. Dion. I thought we was gonna go boom, boom, boom. Dion was like, boom, boom, boom, booms for the boom.

[Host 2]

But I guess we were boom.

[Dion Dawkins]

Tell me the process. So how do you start the car? Yeah, he went in there, and it was just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He started to drive, and it was just like, like. That's Morris slutties spinning tires, man.

[Host 2]

Let's get some sch spinning some tires this offseason, boy. So let's give a round of applause for Dion Knockins. I'm busting with the boys, buddy. We appreciate the hell out of you. Go win it all, man. We seriously. And I love that you were able to vent about the sacks. We needed that. We needed that. Don't give one up this weekend.

[Host 1]

Shut up, Dion. You made $60 million go block for six seconds.

[Dion Dawkins]

Stop it, brother.

[Host 2]

He 10 million a second.

[Dion Dawkins]

Come on, Doc.

[Host 1]

You're the man, Dion.

[Host 2]

Appreciate you man.

[Host 1]

I see Dion for sure.

[Dion Dawkins]

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[Host 2]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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[Dion Dawkins]

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