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Drake Maye for MVP? Week 10 NFL Recap + Joey McGuire On Texas Tech’s BYU Win & The Transfer Portal
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Up to 80% less than market competition. Try for free at wasabi.com, wasabi Hot Cloud Storage proud partner of iHeart Podcast Network. Welcome to another episode of Busting with the Boys. This is our football weekend recap show. Doing things a little bit differently. You will hear about our NFL breakdown. We have on Greg Olson. We do some tier talk. We talk a lot of afc, NFC MVP talk. Who's going to win the division?
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Who's going to win it all? What the best team in the NFL is.
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Yeah, what fan bases are just absolutely tortured. And then later on you're going to see us drop our college football recap segment. We have on Joey McGuire. We talk all the chaos that's ensuing in college football. Who's going to win the conferences the College Football Playoff. Big upsets over the weekend all jam packed into this bus and football recap show which is brought to you by the number one sportsbook in America, the FanDuel sports book. So this Thursday we've got Pats jets on Thursday Night Football. Who's scoring? Trayvon Henderson, Stefan Diggs, Breeze Hall. Listen, if you think you know the answer, FanDuel is the place to go. Because if you opt in to the Thursday Night Football touchdown jackpot promo and place an anytime touchdown score Bet on Stefan or Bree or whoever you think scores on Thursday. You can win a share of $2 million in bonus bets if they score the first or the last touchdown of the game. Again, these are three easy steps. Opt into the promo on Fanduel, place an anytime touchdown score, bet on the Thursday night game and keep tabs on if your player scores the first or the last touchdown of the game. And if they do, you'll win your bet and a share of the $2 million in bonus bets. Just hit FanDuel.com Bussin to get it started. That's it, boys. We got Greg Olson, Gregson coming on.
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Big, big breakdown. Three easy steps, man. Three easy steps. U.S. a favor, by the way. Like, we're doing this every. Like we were shooting content every single day. I know a lot of tier ones are out there. If you're new to the show and you have not, please subscribe to Busting with the Boys. It is extremely helpful. It doesn't hurt you at all, but it helps us a whole lot. Big hugs. Let's get into this thing.
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Yeah, let's.
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Let's get into Greg Olson. Let's get into the NFL. Fun conversation. Sher, do you have anything before we go? Make sure you're dipping in denim. Denim out there. Yep. Subscribe, please, please, please. All right, boys, let's get to the show.
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Packers money. Do you, do you, like, keep up with the college football world?
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I mean, I, I watch it casually. I don't study it or follow it too in depth.
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Yeah, it's so much fun to watch college football knowing, oh, it's a great.
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It'S a great product. It's just a mess of a sport.
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Knowing as much as you know about college football or just football in general. When you watch college, you see all these idiotic mistakes taking place. So all these, like crazy explosives happen. It is so entertaining. NFL is just so, it's so put together. That's the thing. It's like the good teams are just going to play good ball, continue to win, do their thing. Like you watch the Patriots, it's like they don't make mistakes. They have their explosive runs here and there. They have their exploit, but it's like they're just going to keep trudging along. They might be the best team.
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Is Mike Vrabel your coach of the year right now, Greg?
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Yeah, I think so. I think. And again, I'm not sure if they have the roster. I think there's a lot of people saying, you know, they're going to win the Super Bowl. I'm not there yet. I think obviously they're a great story. I think Drake May finds himself in the top. You know, probably three guys in the MVP race. Three or four. I can make an argument that are all kind of in it together. I think Variable is the front runner bio. I can't. I'm trying to think who would even be McDonald. I. I guess the reason Variable. I guess the reason Variable holds it for me is just considering. Obviously, he's just getting started.
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Yeah.
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You know, like he's just. He's brand new. And how bad they've been prior. It's not so much that they're good, it's how fast they've gotten good. I think we saw elements of Seattle last year, even though the offense was a bit disjointed and obviously he. McDonald realized pretty quickly that he had to get that figured out, bringing in Kubiak. But yeah, that's what, that's what gives the lead in my mind to Vrabel, just how good he's gotten. A team that's been bad. I mean, they've been like bad bad for multiple seasons prior to him getting there.
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Yeah. Who. Oh, yeah, I forget. He does. He's probably got old Portnoy saying they're going to win the Super Bowl. But let me ask you this.
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Oh, Portnoy is just Port.
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No, he's. His video. His video with Robert Kraft in the suite.
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Hey, listen, they are good. I'm just. I'm not there. I'm not ready to say they're going to win the super bowl yet.
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Yeah, Super Bowl's a stretch.
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The only thing holding them back is the roster because they really. They have the buy in. They play the. They play the game well. But it's like, at what point do you get overwhelmed? Because they just. They actually just don't have the talent on their roster to be like, okay, this is a Super bowl contending team. But they. Drake may. I mean, imagine if he had like number one wide receivers. Not. Not Stefan Diggs, who's coming off an acl, not Booty, who, you know, kind of has been like a. You don't really know what he is. He's a two or is he a three? He's just who. It doesn't matter who's out there. He is just putting the ball where it needs to be.
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Tight end. Henry, Let me ask you guys something. If the Patriots win the AFC east and let's just say they're three, four loss team and they're a one seed, in the afc, how do you not give Drake May the mvp? Oh, I think if he continues to play at the level, like, I don't know who's in your mind, probably if.
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He gets the number one seed, I think you do the.
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Not the knock because I agree, but the knock is going to be their schedule. Because everyone, even when you put out.
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Like, bro, this isn't college.
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I know, it's the NFL. But even when I, I tweeted out yesterday, the Patriots are the best team in the NFL. And all the people that are anti Patriots is just, all the conversation is revolving around their schedule and how bad it is because they, what, they were fourth last year in the AFC east. So you're fourth. Obviously you're playing against all the other fourth as well. And I just think so you got.
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Them winning the Super Bowl. If you're saying they're the best team in the NFL.
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I think they're the best team in the NFL right now. I think the, I think the super bowl winner is to come out of the NFC West.
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You think the Patriots right now are playing at a higher level than the, the Rams, than the Seahawks?
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I think they're playing at a higher level, yes. From what, what they have. They are doing more with less than any other team. Drake May is playing MVP, MVP caliber right now, November 10th, whatever day it is, they're the best team in the NFL. Even though, I mean, the Seahawks put a crazy display on defense and offense and, and Sam Donald's playing credible. I think eventually the Patriots are going to lose. They're going to lose one or two or even three. Three more games. Even with the easy schedule they have. I, Sean, McVay, McDonald. Those are the two coaches that I see hoisting the Lombardi at this point going into the Super Bowl.
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Yeah, it's a mind twist right there.
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It's a mind.
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I got Seattle and the Rams better than the, if they played tomorrow. I got Seattle and the Rams both beating the Patriots.
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I agree.
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Seattle. Seattle.
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We talked about, I think we talked about this last week that coming into the season, the, the, the presumption was the AFC had all the heavy hitters, right? It had, you know, the, the three big horse, you know, MVP guys with Lamar, Josh, Allen and, and Mahomes and then the next tier of AFC teams that everyone thought were on the rise. I mean, I think everyone. Denver has, I guess, the best record. Aren't they right now? The best Thursday night. I don't think anyone pretends that they're the best team in the Conference, I don't think that's. If you've watched them play.
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I don't think.
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Not anymore. Not anymore. That was last week.
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Okay. I mean after that game it' to jump ship. Sorry, Greg.
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No, no, I. So I think coming into the season, right, it's always been where do all the heavy hitting quarterbacks lie? They've, they've lied in the afc now they've got another one in Drake May. But I think right now the best teams, the best balanced offense, defense, passing game, coaching, I think the best teams are in the nfc. I think the depth of quality NFC teams, even if all the superstar name quarterbacks might be on the other, you know, in the afc, I think the Rams, I think Seattle, I still think Philly's going to be in it down the stretch. Just because they've got their roster so good and they've been there before, you know, you could. I still think Green Bay is going to be in the mix when it all comes. You know, tonight's game is going to be awesome. Detroit, Detroit still going to be in the mix. Dan Campbell takes over play calling. They score a thousand points and 500 yards. So it's. I just, I think the quality Tampa Bay, I think if they ever get all of their guys back healthy. I know they lost obviously yesterday to New England, but you know, it feels like that's a roster that just needs to get some of their guys back and their contender. I mean you look at the potentially the seven teams out of the NFC in the playoffs, I think you can make an argument that all seven, regardless if you're the seventh wild, you're the seven seed wild card or you're the number one seed with a buyer, I think you can make an argument you could see all of them making a run.
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Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
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Absolutely. Yeah. I just. The thing about the Patriots that right now make them the best team to me is the balance they have on offense like Drake, May has been outstanding throwing a deep ball, but I know this conversation always goes back to the run game, Greg, but they ran the ball effectively. They had explosives. Was it Henderson? Is that his name? Henderson? Two explosives, two touchdowns. The fact that he's as fast as he is, he's able to look over to the sideline, should I score, should I not score like that? That team to me is playing the best football in the NFL right now, regardless. I mean, did you guys, were you guys able to watch the Seattle Cardinals game?
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No.
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That was incredible. The game was just watching Seattle and then being Able to take over in the first quarter. It was, I think they scored their 21st point like three seconds into the.
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Second quarter because then they have a defensive touchdown.
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They had two defensive touchdowns. It was Knight who caused both fumbles and it was demarcus Lawrence who picked up the ball both times and scored touchdowns. And like the plays were like identical. I might have been the same exact blitz. And then the first drive, obviously Sam Donald goes in. Those are the JSN who's putting up numbers that no one's ever seen before. He's on pace to break the record. Like, that was a fun, fun game to watch.
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How do you go. Go ahead, Greg.
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No, go ahead. No, go ahead. I was just going to piggyback and.
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Just, I was going to say everything you said just to look ahead the next weekend because Rams got Seattle next weekend.
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Yeah, yeah, I got the game.
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Oh.
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What do you, what are you.
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I think it's the best game of the season.
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Oh, absolutely.
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From a pure, from a pure football team standpoint, coaching rosters, quarterback play, all of it. Style of play. I think, I think through 11 weeks, it's the best. It's the best, Ma. Now can the game live up to it? Who knows? We've had some incredible fun, dramatic games, great endings, overtimes, so who knows if it lives up to that. But just the billing of the matchup. Two of the best three teams at worst. Four. Two of the best four at worst in the entire league going, you know, going up against each other. I am thrilled that we got this game. And they're two of my favorite teams to study. I think the style in which they play. They're both using that big personnel stuff. We talked about at length last week. We talked about Seattle's doing it at a 12 and the Rams are. The Rams have been an 113 wide receiver team for a thousand years and all of a sudden now they're in 13 big jumbo personnel, big bodies and they're just wearing teams out. I think it's a fascinating storyline. Both teams, both quarterbacks. I think it's the. Through 11 games, the game of the year.
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Yeah, no, I agree. Who do you, who would you have, who would you edge it out to going into this game?
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I'd have to tell you on Friday. I, I haven't started like really diving in and studying them just yet. I've, I've had each team once, but real early in the season I had the Rams in that game that they really played well through the first half. And then Philly came to Life blocked a couple of those field goals there at the end to, to beat the Rams in Philly early. And then I had the week one game of Seattle. So it was the first game of Kubiak, first game of Sam Darnold. They lost at home to the 49ers. So it's been a while since I've actually studied them and had them. I just watched them from afar. But I think they're both really good come Friday. I can give you a better assessment, but man, it's the best matchup, bar none.
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Staying in the nfc. Previewing tonight's game with the Packers Eagles. Who do you see coming out on top there in Green Bay?
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I saw a stat that Green Bay hasn't lost back to back games in like 12 years or something. Outrageous. So, you know, I always kind of look at those stats with a grain of salt because like none of these guys were ever a part of that 12 year run. But we saw Green Bay stink it up. I was there live called it in that loss to the, to the Panthers. So I expect them to bounce back. I expect them to be a little bit more aggressive offensively at home. I've just seen Philly too many times be look dead to rights and then you look up in the fourth quarter and they're winning. They're just such a hard team to be traditionally over the last couple of years. If you put a gun to my head right now, I think Philly's. Philly wins. But I think Green Bay looks light years better than they did last week. I think they take the, the governor off. I think they put the game in Jordan Love's hand. Let him go out there and be the dynamic passer that he is. Don't play the style of ball these other teams want to and muddy it up. Is the weather going to be nice? I. I have no idea. Is it going to be a decent night in Lambo? Do you guys have any idea?
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No clue. Let's pretend that it is maybe a little chilly.
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Oh yeah.
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Just. Yeah, again, that always changes things a little bit. But if it's a neutral normal day and they can, you know, they can let it rip and throw it, I think. I mean, I have to imagine they look a hell of a lot better than they did last week against Panthers.
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I. Dude, I got a question for you. Just from a like a broadcasting standpoint when you obviously you're one of the best in the game now, but when you were first starting and you would catch a game like that Packers Panthers game last week Was there, was there like a new level of stress? Wouldn't be like, yo, this game's kind of shitty. There's nothing really to talk about where there's like a panic mode in the second half or was it always kind of just easy for you to go through everything?
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No, those are the worst, those are the worst games, right? So that's the irony of calling games is, you know, you're never going to make everybody happy. Everybody thinks when you're negative or critical of their team or a decision that you don't like the coach or you have history with the organization or you know it's because of some random game earlier in your career and you've hated the team ever since. It's all nonsense, right? Like we call games that we hope are competitive. We want them to be dramatic. We want them to be a one possession game in the fourth quarter and have a little drama. Now the Packers Panthers game last week was that it was a game winning walk off field goal. So there was drama. It was just, it's just bad ball, right? There's not a lot of points, nobody can score touchdowns. It's a rock fight. It's 100 handoffs. It's just, it's not entertaining football. But the saving grace is the end. The ending can sometimes save a game that wasn't overly cooperative throughout. And I think that's, as a broadcaster, that's all we care about. We don't care who wins, who loses. We don't have narratives. We don't out. We don't, you know, determine the outcome of the game. People think we're calling for penalties or not like we call it as we see it. I could care, I couldn't care less who wins. But we do want drama. We do want close games. We want the game to come down to the end and, and be situational and managing the clock and managing timeouts and the strategy that comes out of drama, at least to me personally, is like, those are the games I live for. We've been very lucky this year. We've had a million great endings. Had one yesterday in Chicago coming back in the fourth to beat the Giants. So that that's what we pull for. But those real clunky games, especially the blowouts, it's a challenge, right? You kind of. The blowouts turn into a daytime talk radio show and you just start covering random topics throughout the league. The game really is just going on in the background in the second half when it's a 30 point blowout.
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We're talking about bad Football. What the hell happened to the Panthers, bro? Drop it against the Saints.
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Yeah, that, that was bad. I mean, listen, kind of one where.
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You'Re like sitting there like, you know, could the Panthers be a fun little.
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Story in the division?
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Could the Panthers be a fun story in the division?
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I know, I, I, man, I had a bad feeling all week, you know, I mean, you guys have been on these teams, right? Like, let's be honest here, we've all been in locker rooms that all of a sudden you get a taste of your first winning as that group, right? Guys have had success in random places, but maybe that group of guys has not experienced a ton of success. No matter how you fight it, there is an element in the NFL to learn how to have a little success. Whether that's individually, whether that's collectively as a locker room. And all of a sudden the Panthers look in their one game over.500, they just beat, you know, they just beat the packers, who people thought was a NFC contender on the road in Lambeau. And you start feeling pretty good about yourself and you start thinking that teams are beneath you. And obviously the Saints are coming in to Carolina as a one win team at the time and on their rookie quarterback, they bench rattler. So it's amazing how quickly you can forget your past and you can forget just the reality and just say, you know what, let's just stay locked in on what we're doing. One week we have not arrived. We are not that good. Right. Like all those things that you had to constantly remind yourself as a player, the teams that can sustain winning over long periods of time. There is an arc to learning how to deal with success and learning how to deal with expectations. When you're the underdog and you're just a fun story. And if you show up and upset the better team, great. But no one expects anything from you. That's actually an easy way to play. And I think for a lot of these teams that are just now starting to experience success, it takes a little time for them to get accustomed to it.
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Yeah. And tasting success. Right now, the Chicago Bears, well, they.
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Won like they're what, they're last seven.
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Yeah, they're six and three right now.
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Yeah, it's, it's just wild too. I wonder how that game, I mean, they were up Jackson Dart, he runs like a QB power to the left side, right. Gets a little concussion, gets a little conky, and they're up by 10 at that point. Am I correct in. Is that right?
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Yeah, it was 17 7, so. 177 they're driving. They're either on the fringe of the red zone or in the red zone. They were give or take 20 plus side. I can't remember exactly the yard line he ran. He had run the ball really well. He had already run for two touchdowns prior and he ran a play, got in the open field and C.J. gardner Johnson put a hit, but he didn't hit him in the head. He hit him dead on the left arm, which is decided. He was carrying the ball and the ball popped up, he grabbed it and then he got driven and he like face planted into the turf and the ball popped out. So instead of them going in at minimum to make it 20 to 7 or potentially 24 7, they get nothing. And then they, the next, oh, and then the next drive, they get the ball back. And so Chicago goes down, kicks a field goal to make it 17:10. Now in the fourth quarter, Russ takes over. He takes them the length of the field. They get down to fourth and goal, the one yard line to make it up 17 10. They're trying to make it 2410 and they kick a field goal. Fourth and goal. The Bears have too many men on the field. So we're expecting them to accept the penalty, go half the distance to the goal and get fourth and half a yard and try to score a touchdown. They elected decline the penalty. They take the three points and that made it 20 to 10 and they didn't score another point. Caleb Williams took them on back to back touchdown drives in the fourth quarter and the game was over.
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Yo, I have no idea what to make of Caleb Williams, dude. At some point he like, he's a, he's a damn good football player. But also he just has these crazy like lapses in judgment sometimes. And yeah, he just holds the ball for. I don't know. You could give me more of insight on that. I'm just, I don't know what to buy when it comes to.
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Well, if I was a, if I was a left tackle, I would agree with you because I think pass protecting for men is stressful. I don't think you. Now I say that and then I look at yesterday, if I'm the offensive line in Chicago, I'm buying him a steak dinner right now because the Giants pressured him at one of the highest rates of the entire season that the Bears have faced. They could not get him on the ground. It was almost like a, you know, like you see those videos of those like really talented high school kids where it looks like they're playing the wrong Sport and they just, no one can tackle them. Yeah, that's really what it looked like. I mean thibodeau had him 10 times in the backfield. Couldn't get him down. Brian Burns has him, can't get him down. He's escaping, he's scrambling, he's making really accurate throws downfield. He got killed by drops yesterday. His team had probably six drops easy yesterday. Of all the tape that I had watched of him and all studying him, yesterday was by far the most impressive ball he's played. I think through his first year and a half in the league. He was incredible. Escapability, not taking sacks, which obviously was a huge issue last year. And then he was a lot more accurate throwing the ball downfield. That had kind of been his shortcomings coming into the game. His accuracy completion percentage was down, but his guys let him down a little bit with some drops. But he was, he was fantastic. And then obviously the two game, the back to back touchdown drives to win the game late. It's as good a ball as he's played. It's as good a ball as you can play at the quarterback position.
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I tell you what, day ball is not helping himself out with these hot seat conversations.
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I just think they, I think if you're the ownership of the Giants, you got to sit there and be like, you have a very unique quarterback personality wise. You have a very unique running back who's hurt personality wise. They've given, they've given the Giants life. You have a, a pass rushing unit that every single guy can get double digit sacks if they really wanted to throughout the season. Like give him one more year. But the whole decision on fourth and one, getting a penalty and not taking it like that to me is like you just, you gotta, you gotta go for it.
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Two bad fourth quarter losses. Yeah, we have the lead by 10. You're up.
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I, I for, Do I have the. The Giants have had the lead by 10 points in four in the fourth quarter. They had a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter four times long. Lost all four games.
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Right. And I'm saying like the last two, like that stat right there. The last two like with the, the Broncos, the Bears and the Broncos. That decision on take. Hey, we'll decline this. Another opportunity to try to score points and go up 24 to 10. Yeah, he doesn't help. All I'm saying is he's not helping himself.
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Are you calling for his head right now?
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No, I'm saying he's not helping himself. He doesn't help himself.
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Yeah, and it's just.
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I agree because so much of the ball at times looks really good, you know. And again, they're playing without Malik neighbors, they're playing without Scatter Boo. Like they're depleted a little bit at the skill positions. I think defensively they are grossly underperforming the amount of, the amount of capital draft capital, free agent, you know, just in cap, you know, allocation only the Steelers have spent more money. Like they've gotta get more out of the defense and you know, you have 10 point leads. I don't care if the offense takes a knee every play for the rest of the game. Like at some point somebody, one of these first rounders, one of these top 10 picks, one of these hundred million dollar men, somebody up front needs to just make a play and end the game with a sack, a strip fumble, something. They can't take the ball away, they can't close games and, and then just some of the decision making. And now what was ironic was he, Dave O. Was super aggressive, rightfully so. Super aggressive with fourth down the rest of the game. I think he went for fourth down three or four times. Now they only got one, but he was super aggressive the entire game. Not settling for field goals. The wind was a little tricky. So the like 40 plus yard field goals was a little dicey for both sides. 4th and goal on the half yard line.
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Yeah, yeah, you got it. You got to go after that. I mean, I mean that's, I'm sure you're sitting in the broadcast being like, okay, they got to go forward here. And then you're just.
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We, we were adamant and then the second, we said it, the second they didn't go for, just felt like that was the knockout punch. And again it was, it was Russ's first drive taken over. So Dart got on the fumble, Dart hit his head and he kind of got up slow. And then we kind of watched him go to the sideline and no one really checked him out. He kind of waved everyone off and we thought he was just disappointed that he fumbled is why he got up slow. He came back out, he took two more plays and then he disappeared into the tent and we never saw him again. And obviously Russ takes over, but on the first drive, Russ's. Russ's drive took him down to the one yard line. Russ, Russ tried to take it in on third down. He went back to pass, kind of got caught up in the pocket, took off, ran hard, got stopped at the 1 and then they kicked the field goal. So the first drive with Russell Wilson Prop was by far their best drive and their most likely scenario to score a touchdown. And then over the next six plays following that field goal, they had six plays for minus two yards. So it was just. It was over.
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C
Yeah. Do you. Were you able to watch the Bills Dolphins game at all?
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A
I wasn't. It was going on the same time.
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C
As ours because I kind of. I put it on. It was already 16 0. It was like right before half. And then in the third quarter, Josh Allen takes him all the way down the field, throws a pick in the end zone. I don't know if this is before or after. They do like, their version of the tush push. He gets like 6, 7 yards, the ball gets popped out. And it just seemed like every single time the Bills started to catch a little bit of momentum. The Miami Dolphins, who to me are as good as dead in the NFL season, like, they just kept stopping them and coming alive and putting Josh Allen, who is the reigning mvp, in the situations where, okay, go do MVP things, and he just didn't do it. Yeah, it was.
- [28:08]
B
Well, and, and too, like, once, Once. The explosive pop against the Bills defense, which we've talked about before, like the running game.
- [28:16]
C
A chain.
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B
Yeah, a chain. Yeah. Like, when those explosive plays happen and you're just Josh Allen on the sideline, you're just. I mean, you saw it a couple times. Yeah, his body language, him answering at the podium after the game. It just seems like a little bit of spark has been taken away from Josh Allen a little bit. But, yeah. I could not believe the Dolphins beat their ass yesterday.
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C
Beat their ass. No.
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A
And think of the two weeks that, you know, we talk about Carolina having a letdown, right? We talk about, you're not used to being in that position. You just have a huge win on the road in Lambeau. But think of the last couple weeks of the Bills. They, they, they win by 40 against the Panthers on the road. Then they have a huge matchup against the Chiefs where they really play well and they win against their, you know, biggest rival. Like, and all of a sudden it's like, all right, the Bills are back. Any concern before the bi week, we're not worried about those two losses. Like, they are back. And then you said it, the Dolphins were dead. Everybody was shocked that they didn't make a coaching change after that Thursday night debacle. A couple of weeks. What was that last week before?
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B
Yeah.
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A
So, you know, I give the Dolphins a lot of credit. That is not easy, man. We've all been on those teams most Guys, maybe not everybody, but most guys have been on those teams where it's just a tough season, it's a lost season. And it really just comes down to finding out in the locker room like who truly is willing to compete. When you're not really in the running for anything and you're really just playing for pride and you're playing for all this stuff people stand at the podium and talk about. But are you really willing to do it? That's pretty impressive. Like to come out and beat one of the top, the perennial, one of the top teams in the league, a division rival. I give them a lot of credit, man, because they were in the bullseye. People were taking shots from all over the place calling for people's jobs. And tell you what, the NFL is a funny world, man. It can flip on a dime. Especially this year because I'm not sure there is a clear cut top dog. I think we have a cat, a group of teams that we think are going to pull away. But it is a very, very even league right now. And obviously that's by design.
- [30:22]
B
Yeah, too like going off of it like when you're out of it and being on those teams, it's like when you are pretty much out of everything and like the GM gets fired and movement is happening in the organization. Like also your schedule kind of changes as a player too. Like you'll do more walkthroughs. It's like coaches start switching it up because it's like, hey, we're not fighting for nothing. Guys seem a little depleted. Let's take care of them a little bit more. So to show up and put an aspeeding on the Bills like they did, it is like they're having fun in the locker room. The team is still fighting which is, you know, hats off, hats off to the staff. Have all hats off to the players for still like staying in the fight.
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C
Yeah. It's just so confusing when we talk about the Panthers and how they are. They're a little bit above.500. Maybe this group's never won before. So it's like understandable they go and drop them. But for the Bills it's like you guys have, since Josh Allen's been your quarterback, you have had success. You've been competing for Super Bowls, going deep in the playoffs every single year and having two back to back wins. Obviously you have to get up very. Get up big for your biggest rival like the Chiefs last week. But there should be no drop off. Like no.
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B
Because you've had questions.
- [31:24]
C
Been there forever.
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B
Yeah.
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C
You got Josh Allen, like, I don't know. I don't know what to make of that.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Going over to mix this league so hard though, right. Because everything we say about the teams that aren't used to winning, having to learn how to sustain the other side of that coin is human nature of the reason certain organizations don't have prolonged success. Right. What the Bills have done, the Chiefs, the Patriots, some of these teams that have had long, sustained periods of success, that is in absolute opposition to the way human nature works. It's the opposition of the way the league is designed. So that's equally challenging. Right. That is an equally hard thing to do to get up, knowing you are everyone's biggest game week after week. Maybe the roster is a little depleted, maybe the injuries, maybe you're not as good as you were in years past, but that when people see that Bill's uniform and they see Josh Allen behind center, they just assume it's the same Bills team we've seen over the last couple of years, this close to, you know, getting to a Super Bowl. So expectations on either side of that coin can be crippling.
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B
What are you making of the AFC North? Pittsburgh Steelers going out to the. Going out to la. Getting pretty handled by the Chargers and Ravens now? Ravens are coming.
- [32:38]
C
Ravens are coming.
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B
Ravens are coming.
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A
I think the Ravens win it.
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C
Yeah.
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A
I mean, I. And I know it sounds silly, and they were left for dead and there was problems and the defense was historically bad yet albeit injured. And obviously Lamar is out and how long is he gonna be out with the hamstring? And it seemed like the sky is falling. And you look at the. And I think everyone who looked at the division said, okay, right. You know, at the moment the Steelers were on top. And I think at times the Steelers have looked really good. And I think at times Aaron Rodgers has looked like Aaron Rodgers. And the defense makes, I think the defense makes critical plays more than they are just like an overall good unit. I think they've spent a gazillion dollars on the defense. I think on a play by play basis, I don't think they're particularly great. I think they make incredible splash plays. Right. Like it's the fourth quarter, you haven't called TJ Watts name yet, and then it's strip, sack, fumble, and it's like the game is over. So, like, that's where they've kind of rested their head and that's where they've made their money. When they don't get those splash negatives, I think they're just okay last night. I'm with you. They got it, you know, they got it taken to them by, by the Chargers. I still think they're solid. I still think like most years a Tomlin led team is going to be a playoff caliber group. They're going to find themselves in it somehow some way. But if I'm a betting man today, I think a healthy Lamar and a Baltimore team that's in a bad division, I think they're the favorite to win it in my, in my mind at least.
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C
Yeah. They're minus 270 on FanDuel. They're only one game back right now. The thing that.
- [34:15]
A
So what does that mean?
- [34:17]
C
Minus 2 70. So if you bet a, you have to bet $270 to win $100. And so they, they're, they're.
- [34:24]
A
So that means they're favorite. So they have the, that would be the worst odds.
- [34:28]
B
No. Yeah. They're, they're the Ravens. Even though they're not leading the division right now, the sportsbook saying they're still a heavy favorite to win the division.
- [34:36]
C
Right.
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B
So it speaks more about Pittsburgh not being, they're not going to be able to hang on. They're going to be too inconsistent.
- [34:42]
C
Right. And Aaron didn't obviously didn't play well. But I don't understand why your running back Jalen Warren has been playing so well and has been that get out of jail free card in a lot of ways. For your running game last night you start running Johnson more who you know, hasn't really been seen since he had that muffed kickoff return early in the season. It's like why, why aren't you staying with this guy unless there's an injury we don't know about.
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B
Yeah.
- [35:05]
C
Because he's like saved them a lot of ways like 12 personnel big guys we talk about like the way they run the ball like Warren. It does a great job of running the outside zone and then the perimeter run game as well. And then this Johnson kid, he's kind of proven did a great job at Iowa. He's kind of proven like he's, he's got to learn a little bit more before we can see if he's really going to be successful. Like just keep doing the same thing when your defense has a great game last week and I have to travel across the country to the west coast against a really good defense of Jesse Mentors Chargers. You just, I, I don't understand that unless there's an injury we just don't know about.
- [35:36]
D
Yeah.
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B
It's frustrating Just needed. I had him plus three.
- [35:41]
C
You had who?
- [35:42]
B
Pittsburgh.
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C
Minus. Oh, they're a plus.
- [35:45]
B
Yeah. Pittsburgh was underdogs.
- [35:47]
C
Yeah, I had him as well. That's. That's heartbreaking, dude. What do you. What can you make of J.J. mcCarthy for me? Like, there's times he seems like, oh, this kid really has juice. Like, he's got a couple third downs, he's putting the ball in a perfect spot only where the wide receiver can catch. And then other times he's scrambling, it's third and six, and he's got, like 20 yards of open field in front of him, and he decides, I'm just going to throw it into double coverage or I'm going to take this play action pass and throw a deep shot into double coverage as well. Like, I know you're not a coach and I hate putting you on the spot, but, like, what do we got going there?
- [36:22]
A
I think he's a young quarterback who hasn't played a lot of ball.
- [36:25]
D
Right.
- [36:25]
A
I mean, you think he lost his entire rookie year last year to injury. And then, you know, obviously Sam Darnold steps in and has an amazing season and carries it over. He missed a serious amount of time this year with the high ankle. You know, we covered a couple of those Vikings games where he was out and limited, and they turned it over to Carson Wentz. So I think the reality for young quarterbacks in this league is they need to practice. They need game reps, they need practice reps. And when you think since he's come into the league since he got drafted, the amount of time, forget the games, the amount of practice reps lost due to injury, it's real. And I think we've seen quarterbacks that play for Kevin o' Connell in that system going back. I mean, we can rattle off five, six guys off the top of our head. Even the year that Kirk Cousins got knocked out, Kirk Cousins was playing so good, he tears his Achilles and then he rolls in a bunch of guys that we didn't even know still were in the league, and they just keep winning and winning and playing good ball. And then obviously what he did last year with Sam, and then even at times before he got banged up, Carson Wentz played well. And then we found out that he was really dealing with something serious that led to the decline. So that offense is built for good quarterback play. I still think J.J. mcCarthy is very talented. I think he looks like a young, talented quarterback. I think sometimes he looks in rhythm. I think he's competitive. I think he's got a Little shit to him. And then I think at times his head pops off. And I think that's very common, especially for that style of quarterback. And I don't think, you know, I think the Drake maze of the world and guys that come in and are a little bit more polished and a little bit more refined and play within the system and they're not so, you know, improv, run around, scramble. Those guys have a little bit of a higher floor. Just in the sense that you're not going to get the ebbs and flows and the chaos. Right. But sometimes the spectacular that you get from JJ McCarthy and Caleb Williams when they're spinning in circles and running around, there's a magic to that, there's a fun, entertaining aspect. The question is, is it sustainable? And I think what we, what we know and have seen throughout the league is if you can sprinkle those plays in. Great, great. They're great like get out of jail free cards. You can't rely on that style. Play in, play out. You have to learn how to play within the confines, understand the progressions, understand what you're seeing and play in rhythm. And I think that's the element right now. That's still a little bit of a learning curve with Kevin O' Connell up there for McCarthy.
- [38:48]
B
Yeah, the learning curve, I feel like is the, the key phrase there because again, it's. You got this young quarterback who just doesn't have the scarring that these other vet quarters quarterbacks have that Kevin o' Connell's been able to work with. Like this is kind of the first pick that he's getting to work with and he hasn't had a whole lot of reps in the film room on the practice field just having those QB conversations. I feel like there is that high level of IQ that you're going to have when sitting in a room with Kevin o', Connell breaking down offense to where we're just not going to be able to grade. People are going to grade JJ McCarthy, but you're not going to be able to actually get a feel for him probably until the middle of next year, first part of next year, within those first six games. Yeah, yeah, it's. To me, it's like, yeah, it's a rookie quarterback. He's out there. This is his fourth. It's. Was it his fourth game? I think it's fourth, fifth game.
- [39:35]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right around there. One of those two.
- [39:38]
B
Right, right, yeah.
- [39:39]
C
Right now I'm with you. It's just you see so many flashes. That's like oh, this kid can be special. And then he just does things. You're like, what are we doing here?
- [39:48]
B
Yeah, just think of. He was talking about head spinning. The chaos that ensues in certain moments to where you think you're in control but not in a way that you want to have as like a poised quarterback who's seen and played a lot of football.
- [40:01]
C
Right, right.
- [40:02]
B
So when that happens, head goes down, he's going to be trying to make plays and everything else. Again, very much a. A young quarterback who there's just not enough. They're not enough of a sample size or body of work to. To grade him hard. People will, because again, you're in professional football. That's the.
- [40:16]
C
And you're a top whatever, 10, 11 pick.
- [40:18]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Fair. Do we have any more for Greg before we.
- [40:22]
C
We.
- [40:23]
B
We. We let him know about this bet the boys parlay that's still alive and well tonight.
- [40:26]
C
I think that's the biggest key right there before we let him go.
- [40:29]
B
Yeah. Greg, you're the man. Thank you for coming on. Have you kept up with this? Bet the boys parlay. Ricky Dowdle hit anytime. Touchdown. Jameer Gibbs hit anytime. Touchdown. Kamani Vidal hit anytime. Touchdown. We have one left tonight. One more Greg, One more leg and it's. It's Jalen hurts Anytime touchdown.
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A
The touch. Good one.
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B
The team coming into Green Bay, I.
- [40:52]
A
Listen, I think Tush push is going to be at the center of attention tonight. Remember Green Bay amongst other teams. Green Bay was like front and center trying to eliminate the play. I mean if you're Sirianni. I think I'm trying to do it as many times in Lambeau Field as the opportunities present themselves. So they get inside the three or four yard line. I think we, if it's first and goal inside the five, I think we're seeing Tush push one, Tush push two, Tush push three, Tush push four. And saying I got four downs to Tush push into the end zone. So of all the guys you just mentioned, I, I'm probably, I don't want to jinx it, but like I'm feeling best about that.
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C
Nick Sirianni has a huge opportunity for the ultimate troll and that's to start the first play of the game in a toast. Push first.
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A
Don't put it past him.
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C
First and 10. You're on the 25. Got to respect that under center and just hey, you guys wanted this because it'll go for four or five on the first play.
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A
I'm on record, especially if they like Shifted to it, you know, just don't like walk out of the huddle and just run. I like that you're going to run it, like disguise it to some capacity. But I'm on record. I, I'm not, I haven't maybe not quite as much this year. But didn't it feel like with Kelsey two seasons, it was either two or three seasons ago now I can't keep track of it all, but it felt like they were getting three yards every time they ran a Tush push. Like it wasn't like get a foot and a half. They were getting like three. I thought for a while there when they had Kelsey and they were really rolling a couple of years ago with the Tush push and it was new and teams weren't necessarily accustomed to it at that point. I thought at the end of the game like four minute offense, I thought they could have gotten first and 10, gotten under center and run four consecutive tush pushes at the end of a game to get a first down and take a knee. Like I thought, I think they could, I think back then, I don't know if they can do it anymore, but I thought a couple years ago 10 yards and 4 tush pushes I thought was totally reasonable.
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C
Yeah, I'm with you.
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B
I would love to see that level of petty from Sirianni.
- [42:52]
C
Would love to see it.
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A
I'm not sure if they're there right now, but yeah, you got to win. It would still be great television, wouldn't it?
- [42:59]
C
He would starting the game out.
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A
I'm a huge Tush for. I'm a huge tush push fan. I, I, I think it's a, I think it's brilliant.
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C
You think it's good for football?
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A
I think it's great for the strategy of the game. I mean, is it the Philadelphia Eagles responsibility to carry what's good for the NFL on their backs? I don't think it's their responsibility like the optics that I don't think any of that is any of their issue. I think it is a play that is highly effective. I think it's a play that nobody else seems to be able to get right. And it is an it is baked into every single decision that they make offensively from what they call on third and four to what they do on first and 10 to what they do on the plus side of the field to what they do in the goal line. I think there is a really deep, highly thought through strategy that the Tush push being in their back pocket for a yard and a half when you snap the ball at. If you told the league, I have to play first and 10, but you get to play first and eight, it's a huge advantage.
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E
Huge.
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B
I love. I love it until I hate it.
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C
I.
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F
Listen.
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A
What? I want to be the guard. Would. I want my.
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D
What?
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A
I want my neck broken and dumped on top of. I don't know what. I want to be the middle linebacker. Get. I'm not saying I want to defend it, but I think if I'm the coach, it's highly productive and it's a huge part of what they do.
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C
Yeah. I'm not. Like, I don't love it. Like, I think it's amazing. But I hate the idea of banning the tush push because it's so effective. Like, course it's like, that's. To me, that's such a ridiculous argument. And it's like, if you think something's not effective, okay, learn to do it yourself or just keep doing it until eventually some DC comes along that understands how to beat it and then it's beaten. But you can't just get rid of a play because it's good.
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B
Yeah, that's.
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C
That's a crazy argument.
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B
They. I love until I hate it comes in when the officiating gets a little gray because I think it's a hard play to officiate. Especially. It's like a couple of weeks ago, when we saw.
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C
What was it?
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B
Burns, kind of rip the ball out.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Called that. It's like, dude, that is. He stripped him.
- [45:05]
C
Right. And he's laying on top of five different bodies.
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B
So the controversy for me is more when it's like, it could be officiated poorly, like when false starts are kind of happening, like, you know, all that stuff. But I'm with you.
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A
I guess. I guess the simplest way to put it is if it was such an easy play, if it's. If it's the ultimate Madden glitch, how come they're the only team in the league that does it consistently well?
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C
Right.
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B
I know. Because when teams try and they're bad at it, it's like, what do you guys.
- [45:29]
A
Is there any worse? They look like they've never practiced it.
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G
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. What are you guys getting? Like, watch the Philadelphia Eagles doing it. At least try to replicate that.
- [45:36]
A
There's a coaching element. There's a personnel element. There's a. There's a lot of factors that go into whether or not that play is realistic for your team or not. And, you know, we could go around a lot of teams over the last couple years and say that they were disproportionately better at something than the rest of the league. And if the notion was let's get rid of everyone else's advantages, people would laugh at you.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. This would be a fun.
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A
I don't want Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald is not allowed to be a three technique and spike into the AAP and make the guard miss because he's. So no one else can do it as good as him. And he tackles and he tackles you for a loss every time.
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C
It's not fair. Get rid of it.
- [46:14]
A
It's not fair.
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C
Yeah. We don't get an Aaron Donald. How come you guys get Aaron Donald?
- [46:19]
A
Yeah, I don't have Aaron Donald. That's not fair that you could play a three technique in that capacity. I can't do it. So we should ban it.
- [46:24]
C
Yeah. I don't understand why the Cowboys, the Commanders or the Giants haven't tried to contract Jason Kelsey and be like, hey, teach us. Like, just throw an absolute bag at him. Two million bucks, Jason come in for a week.
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A
I don't think Kelsey would do it. I think Kelsey's a loyal Philly. I think he's a loyal Philly guy who's making a lot of money. I don't. I think he is like. I think he would go to his deathbed before he let up any of those in house secrets of Jeff Stoutland and those guys.
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E
That's just holds the keys.
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B
Yeah. He would need some Saudi money.
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C
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Well, now that's a different element.
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B
Eight figures, nine figures for one week of work.
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A
Big Dom's not letting that happen.
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C
Big Dom? Big Dom would set that out. No problem.
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A
Figure that out quick.
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B
Greg, you're the man, bro. Thank you for.
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A
All right, boys, man.
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C
Appreciate you, man. Have a good one. We'll talk to you soon.
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A
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C
They hold the number one pick in the draft right now. Do you see them holding onto that prestigious honor or do you see them holding, letting that slip away for their from their fingertips?
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I
Are we. Are we recording? We just asking a question. I think we're doing both recording, I would say. I mean prestigious honor, sure. Last year we snug backdoored into the first pick. It was. Who was it the jets? That there was one team that won on week 18? I think it was the Jets. Well, we were gonna have the second.
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B
Was it the Brown?
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I
No, I think it was the Jets.
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H
Right?
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I
Yeah, they backdoored in the first pick. They won a crazy game. We got the first pick. So at least now we know three weeks ahead. Who knows we still play the Saints. Jets could, you know, squeak out a couple more losses. Who knows, Maybe we do some dumb.
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C
Who knows in what way?
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I
At that point in the year where it's like football doesn't mean as much as it used to.
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C
See Jack Jackson's defeated man in the month of November right now, Yeah, I.
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I
Mean hopefully some things shake out, but.
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C
What things would they shake out because you're saying, hey, we might do some dumb. I'm thinking, do you want the Titans to lose the Rest of their games for the 1 pick.
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I
I don't know. All I can think about is right now In Nashville, it's 34 degrees. All the home games following right now, November 10th will most likely be very frigid. And I'm not looking forward to being in Nissan Stadium in that weather.
- [50:47]
B
You should be looking forward to who's who in the zoo when it comes to this fan base. It's Is the. The. This is the stretch where you're in your strip right here. You want to know who's in the foxhole with the Tennessee Titans, right?
- [50:58]
C
And what we've learned about the foxhole, too. Come and go as you please.
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I
There's probably like 10 people at this point.
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C
That's good, dude. All you need. All you need is 10, really.
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I
11 if you're playing football.
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C
But I don't know.
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A
I'm just.
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I
Yeah, I'm at that point where it's just. It's difficult. Yeah.
- [51:13]
C
You have an abysmal year last year. It's tough for the Titans. That's like, hey, we're gonna get back on track. We'll figure it out. Callahan New Year, two years in a row of it going like this. You. The fan base is gonna. We're gonna know.
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I
I think the big positive to look at is how much salary cap that we have and just the cab space, like, that's. That's a positive. We haven't had that in a long time.
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A
You guys have the most, right?
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I
Yeah.
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C
So who knows?
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I
But, yeah, that is. I mean, by the time it's, you know, midway through the. The spring, my allegiance is just fully back on. We're winning the Super Bowl. So I. I do hope that we do something special with the cap space, and I hope they hire the right guy. Until we've hired the right guy, I can't really make any decision. And I just kind of linger in this horrible Titans. Tennessee football limbo. But, yeah, you know, we're gonna be in Nissan. Tighten up, man.
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C
Fun show up.
- [52:09]
B
We can hit some tear talk. Let's hit some tear talk. We have a shout out here to Mr. James at the Mr. James 8 on X. Anyone going to talk about how clutch Caleb Williams is when the game is on the line? Hashtag, tear talk.
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C
I think we did.
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B
Yeah, we had. We had a great, fun little breakdown with old Greg there. I. I tell you what, I am the guy looking in the mirror being like, how long am I going to continue to kind of doubt the Chicago Bears? And so I pull up their schedule, and I hate to do this. But it's like, all right, let's try to find some wins. Let's try to figure out who the Bears have beat Dallas, the Raiders.
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C
Oh, this is who they beat.
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B
Yeah, this is who they be. They beat Dallas, split them wide open. That defense, who hasn't split them wide open? They beat the Raiders by one, Commanders by one. They beat the Saints.
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C
They.
- [52:59]
B
They beat the Bengals. They beat the Giants. So I just throwing that out there because they are six and three. You got to give. I. I do enjoy watching Coach Johnson's post game speeches in the locker room. Yeah, he's like, hey, we're here every week, but we ain't apologizing for how we win. Gives out game balls. I do love his energy. I love how the locker room's having a lot of fun. I think the boys are rallying around the idea that they are playing mean, meaningful games right in November, hopefully December.
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C
And that is what you pulled up. The wins that they've had as a team, you ignore that and you just look at the record and be like, we can play with anybody.
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B
We can play with anybody.
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C
We can play with anyone right now.
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B
Big, big opportunity.
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C
Who do they play?
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B
Who they got next week? They got the Vikings.
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C
Give me the next three.
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B
Okay. Vikings, division rivalry, that'll be in Minnesota.
- [53:46]
C
Can probably see them wanting that.
- [53:48]
B
Then they have. They host the Steelers.
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C
Okay. You can see them winning that.
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B
Then they go to Philly. But if you go. If you go 2 and 1, you're again, you're sitting there at 8 and 4. You're sitting there, 8 and 4, 8 and 4.
- [54:02]
C
Ball club.
- [54:03]
B
Playing some meaningful games in December, which would be the packers at Green Bay. Host the Browns.
- [54:11]
C
Okay.
- [54:12]
B
Then they host the packers again. Then they go out to San Francisco and play the Niners. And then they host the Lions.
- [54:22]
C
9 and 8, 9 and 8. 9 and 8. Ball club, wild card. But is it.
- [54:29]
B
I don't know.
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C
I don't know if it is in the NFC.
- [54:31]
B
Yeah. NFC will be tough, especially for the 49ers. I was gonna say especially, yeah. NFC west, the way that they're playing right now, they could be looking to get three in there.
- [54:39]
C
Yeah. The packers are going to make it. The Lions are going to make it. The Eagles are going to make it.
- [54:45]
B
But we should be able to let Chicago fans have as much fun as possible.
- [54:48]
C
Have fun. Because you said in the beginning of the year, you deserve this. We need new Halloween costumes next year. Can't just be Mike Dicker. It can't just be Mike Ditka. Get some fingernails painted. Let your kids go crazy out there, huh? So, yeah, Caleb Williams, it is impressive though, how elusive he is. And I didn't see like, I didn't see the entire game. I saw bits and pieces, but his ability to escape the pocket ran out to the left a couple times, one for a touchdown. When he got down to the one.
- [55:15]
B
Yard line, thrown across the body.
- [55:17]
C
He is like, he is extremely talented. Like if you get. If Ben Johnson could harness that energy when Dan Orlofi's talking about the habits and everything like that, if they can get that done, boys, it seems like.
- [55:28]
B
They'Re trending that way.
- [55:29]
C
10 and 7.
- [55:32]
B
Why not? Why not the Chicago Bears? Why not?
- [55:34]
C
Hey you. There's got to be an upset in there somewhere. Good for football.
- [55:38]
F
It'd be good for football.
- [55:39]
C
It'd be good for football. It would be good for football.
- [55:41]
D
Why not the Bears.
- [55:42]
B
Why not the Bears? Here's another tear talk from Adam Sullivan. Hashtag tear talk. Are the days of a true pocket passer in the NFL gone? A set your feet, get completions or take the sack. QB seems extinct. Not everyone can be my homes, but it seems like you have to have some type of mobility anymore to be consistently productive in today's NFL.
- [56:05]
C
Look at Matthew Stafford. Like he's, he's got a little mobility to him. Actually there's a couple times he's got himself around a little bit, but I mean he's a troop. He's a true pocket passer. Jared Goff, true pocket passer. These are guys that are dicing up the league right now, playing really, really good ball. Is it dead? No. Are we in a. You know, we got to worry about this animal because it's becoming extinct. We got to take him to the zoo and hopefully they can procreate with something else. That's kind of the world we're living in.
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B
You'll have some.
- [56:30]
C
You got to get two of them.
- [56:31]
B
You'll have the traditional list. I think always and forever. It's at most positions.
- [56:35]
C
Yeah.
- [56:35]
B
But there are these mutants that are now coming into the league across the board.
- [56:39]
C
Right.
- [56:40]
B
We were having the breakdown last week. We were talking about tight ends, the semi positions with backers and tight ends. You see it a lot with receivers. Like you have to come in being able to block.
- [56:49]
C
Dn's been crazy, man.
- [56:50]
B
Yeah.
- [56:51]
C
DNS, they were like the iteration of the alien.
- [56:54]
B
Yeah.
- [56:55]
C
That was the first alien to step foot on the gridiron.
- [56:57]
B
I feel like the like Christian ponders of the world are, are over Though like how there used to be that middle of the pack QB in the NFL that was just pocket passers. I feel like they're going to be extinct. Yeah. Where like everybody, every. Only the best of the best.
- [57:11]
D
Right.
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B
Like Matt Stafford. Those are like great players. But Mac Jones is like we know his ceiling.
- [57:18]
C
Do we. Do we know Matt Jones is ceiling or are we just now seeing.
- [57:23]
B
I would, I would say Mac Jones.
- [57:25]
C
Are we just seeing.
- [57:26]
B
The second floor would be that leveled up middle of the pack, right? Yeah, exactly. But you got to be the best of the best or you're just going to sit back there in that pocket.
- [57:35]
C
Deal. Sam Darnold, Sammy D. He's athletic, though.
- [57:38]
B
That's like.
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C
He's athletic but he's not.
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A
I don't.
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C
He does.
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B
He's got some urgency.
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C
He's got urgency.
- [57:44]
D
He's got some.
- [57:45]
B
Yeah.
- [57:46]
D
I would say he's like athletic. As athletic as Bo Nicks.
- [57:49]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [57:50]
C
But no, Sam Darnold doesn't have quarterback design runs in the playbook for him. Bo Nicks does.
- [57:56]
D
But he could.
- [57:59]
C
I don't think, I don't think Sam Darnold is getting other than your hey, QB paint once in a while.
- [58:04]
B
I would say if Sam Darnold arm shoulders, everything else. If he had the genetic of Bo Nicks, he would not be as successful as Bo Nix were with, with the athletic ability. I'll say if you. I'm saying Sammy D, he's got a much better arm, much better accuracy, much better arm strength. If you gave him Bo Nix's makeup as far as arm strength and accuracy. Like, but like he doesn't have the athletic ability. I'm just saying he doesn't have the athletic ability.
- [58:33]
C
They're not. I don't think they're in the same category. Bo Nix is like your. He's your first tier. I'm starting to create a player. He's gonna have a level of athleticism. Yeah, but he's not. I mean he's not Lamar Jackson. He's not Patrick Mahomes. No. Josh Allen.
- [58:45]
B
I'm saying Sam Darnold is not as athletic as Bo Nicks.
- [58:48]
D
Yeah, but who would you rather have?
- [58:50]
B
Sammy D. Okay. 100% like, Ty Simpson is going to be coming out that urgency high ball up high. Yeah. Mobility within the pocket. It's going to be a Sammy D. Compared.
- [59:02]
C
Ty Simpson is like, Ty Simpson is the perfect, perfect example of like the new pocket passing quarterback.
- [59:07]
B
Yeah.
- [59:08]
C
Where it's like, yeah, he's got. He can move his legs a little. Bit but like there's no quarterback design runs being like we gotta get those.
- [59:16]
B
That's a pocket pass.
- [59:18]
D
Where would you, where would you categorize Baker?
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F
Gamer.
- [59:21]
C
Gamer. Yeah, he's. He's an elusive. He's elusive.
- [59:25]
B
Yeah. Baker would be like, yeah, the pocket quarterbacks like that. You need to have that ability. Baker's got that.
- [59:30]
C
Baker doesn't have design runs. He's not that. He's not a dual threat but like.
- [59:33]
D
So is that what you're saying is you need to be. You need to have designed runs in order to be athletic.
- [59:37]
C
I think that's where I'm leaning as we're kind of having like a think tank right now on the bus. Yeah. Yeah. There needs to be two to three quarterback design runs. That's like, oh, the coaching staff believes you can run like that. Caleb Williams can run like that. Lamar Jackson, obviously Mahomes is a unique one. We're not doing QB design runs with my homes. But he's shown me enough. He's shown me enough elusivity.
- [60:00]
B
Yeah.
- [60:01]
C
To get around a little bit. I like that. Jalen hurts. Quarterback design runs. Josh Allen, Quarterback design runs. Aaron Rodgers, pocket passer.
- [60:11]
B
What about Drake Used to be able.
- [60:13]
E
He.
- [60:13]
B
He had.
- [60:14]
C
Drake made quarterback design runs. He's got a couple Justin Herbert, Drake.
- [60:20]
B
Mays kind of got it all. He can.
- [60:23]
C
Take. He can't fuck you. Yeah. Drake May hold the ball up here. You see, did you see the one yesterday? Jordan Love, he actually had the ball up here. The guy was trying to get him. He had the ball like this, push the dude down and then threw the ball. So yeah, Drake May's got it. He's got the technique and fundamentals.
- [60:40]
B
Jordan Love's got some cute feet. I wouldn't say he's got design runs, but he's got cute enough feet to make a little bit magic. But he's more of a.
- [60:47]
D
You're saying, you're saying Jordan loves sweet.
- [60:49]
B
He's got sweetness to his feet.
- [60:51]
C
He's got sweet feet.
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B
Sweet feet.
- [60:52]
C
What about Jordan Love? Completely different player when he's under pressure as opposed to clean pocket. Is he elusive? I don't know.
- [60:58]
H
Yeah.
- [60:59]
C
You're passer, you're bring.
- [61:00]
B
You're bringing up the my man's tweet like. Yeah. Cam Ward's got running ability to him.
- [61:06]
C
Not a quarterback does not run guy though.
- [61:08]
B
Not a quarterback running for his life kind of guy. One for his life he can make some magic with.
- [61:12]
C
But he. Yeah, he gets out a little bit like he's more elusive Than he's like, okay, you got your Sam Darnolds, then you. Your Drake May is probably a level above that on the elusivity chart. And then it goes up and up and up.
- [61:25]
D
Where's Baker?
- [61:26]
C
Baker's above. I would say above.
- [61:28]
B
Cam, we might need a graphic for this. We're talking a lot, essentially, the media.
- [61:34]
C
To me, there's 32 tiers. It's kind of where my brain is going right now.
- [61:40]
B
The median now of quarterback play is not as much pocket passer. It is now more having legs out.
- [61:47]
F
Of the starting quarterbacks. Who is the perfect balance in this. In this discussion?
- [61:53]
C
That's a great, great question.
- [61:56]
B
Yeah. You got a Josh Allen, Drake May, Patrick Mahomes.
- [62:01]
D
Jalen hurts. Shut up.
- [62:03]
B
It would be. Jalen hurts, man. Passing.
- [62:07]
E
Can run the ball.
- [62:08]
B
Doesn't turn it over. He's a good quarterback. But we're talking about who's the best in this conversation.
- [62:14]
C
Could you imagine Justin Herbert, amigos.
- [62:16]
B
Yeah.
- [62:17]
C
Justin Herbert, quarterback, buddy. Perfect quarterback. I love this question.
- [62:24]
B
I mean, Lamar Jackson's legs.
- [62:26]
C
Lamar's. Lamar's legs.
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D
Yep. Baker's.
- [62:30]
B
Yeah. Baker's hard.
- [62:31]
C
Yeah. Baker's moxie. Okay. Dude. Arm strength. I know we kind of want to lean Josh down, but what about Caleb Williams? He rocked his buddy. He can watch the ball like I was watching the. The 49ers game.
- [62:46]
A
And Caleb Williams, like, the difference between.
- [62:48]
C
His throw and Mac Jones.
- [62:49]
A
No, I love Mac Jones, but Caleb can. Can rip it every time he throws.
- [62:56]
D
Stafford can rip it, too.
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B
Stafford. Yeah.
- [63:00]
C
You want Stafford's brain. We're putting Stafford's. We're putting Stafford's accuracy.
- [63:05]
D
Stafford's putting it wherever he wants to. He doesn't have to look. And he's just.
- [63:09]
C
Yeah.
- [63:09]
B
I mean, Aaron Rodgers, arm, bro. I mean, obviously.
- [63:12]
C
Yeah, but he's old. He's old. He's old starters.
- [63:15]
F
But we're forgetting Joe Burrow.
- [63:18]
B
Like, do not want his Achilles.
- [63:20]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [63:21]
B
Waist up, waist up. We do not want his legs.
- [63:24]
C
Joe Bro's torso.
- [63:26]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [63:27]
F
Face, hair.
- [63:29]
C
Patrick Mahomes playmaking ability. Is that. Is that a category? Can we put that in there?
- [63:34]
B
Joe Burrow. Joe Burrows, serial killer brain.
- [63:39]
C
Drake May's deep ball.
- [63:41]
F
Or Sammy D. Sammy D, though.
- [63:43]
B
Body.
- [63:44]
C
Got some good quarterbacks out there. We got some good quarterbacks out there.
- [63:49]
A
Damn.
- [63:49]
B
No tear talk from Chris Fratelli. Hashtag tear talk. This is for Taylor as former players. How can you explain the Baker, Danny Dimes, Darnold, Mac Jones career resurgence, coaching.
- [64:05]
C
It's gotta be well said. It's yeah, right?
- [64:08]
E
Staying locked in.
- [64:09]
C
It's. Yeah. Dudes being locked in, dudes being high, draft picks, getting knocked off their pedestal, finding a new place, new energy, new way to go about their study habits, their processes. Like, it really gotta be coaching and.
- [64:24]
B
Not buying into the doubt. That kind of creeps in your mind when you are having down moments.
- [64:29]
C
Right.
- [64:29]
F
It shows that these guys that get drafted, obviously very high to the worst teams, just truly get put in awful situation, brutal situation.
- [64:38]
C
And it takes like a true talent to overcome those brutal situations.
- [64:42]
D
I mean, you're gonna tell me, I said you're truly. I mean, you're gonna look at me and tell me I'm wrong?
- [64:46]
C
I think, like, question if you're a generational guy, doesn't matter.
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F
Yeah.
- [64:53]
C
I mean, Joe Burrow, Joey B. I'm so glad you brought him back in the conversation because I truly forgot about Joe Burrow.
- [65:00]
A
Joey B.
- [65:00]
D
Is the only one to go into a franchise and turn it completely around in the last five, 10 years.
- [65:09]
F
That's kind of fair.
- [65:10]
C
You. It's. It's fair. It's fair at face value. It's fair at face value.
- [65:13]
B
But like Drake may, we'd obviously have to bring up some, like, it's like, so you're. Manning came in, they were brutal.
- [65:19]
D
And I said five to ten years.
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B
Okay.
- [65:22]
C
I was over 20. That was not. Hey, nice. If you took Joe Burrow and you put him on the Jets. Turns it around, I feel.
- [65:29]
F
I mean, they didn't draft.
- [65:31]
B
They didn't draft him in Joe Burrow.
- [65:32]
F
They didn't draft Jamar Chase.
- [65:35]
B
Like, I think the jets would be. Jets would be kind of nice with.
- [65:38]
C
Burrow with that defense, too.
- [65:40]
A
They had some.
- [65:40]
C
Some pieces. Sauce Quinn and Williams when Williams gone.
- [65:44]
B
And then like, if he was on the Jets.
- [65:46]
D
The jets drafted Zach Wilson.
- [65:49]
F
Heard on the depth chart in Seattle.
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A
Yeah.
- [65:51]
C
How sick are you if you're like the jets or the Cardinals? Josh Rosen a few years ago.
- [65:56]
D
I mean, Kyler Murray, like, he, like, he drafted number one overall and like, I mean, they're still kind of.
- [66:03]
A
Yeah, Kyler Murray's a good one.
- [66:04]
C
Not to steal this tear talk, but.
- [66:06]
B
Do you think Kyler Murray will have.
- [66:07]
C
A resurgence on a new team next year if he's not with the Cardinals?
- [66:10]
A
Do you think there's a chance that.
- [66:11]
B
Kyler can become that type of quarterback.
- [66:13]
C
That needs a second chance?
- [66:15]
B
Because the Minnesota.
- [66:16]
C
Yeah, he's got to go. He's got to.
- [66:18]
B
Everyone needs to go.
- [66:19]
C
There needs to be a line at the door.
- [66:21]
B
The Rams.
- [66:22]
C
Yeah. There Needs to be like a seminar. And like the cape.
- [66:24]
B
Yeah.
- [66:25]
C
That Kevin OConnell just puts on once a year. It's all like backup quarterbacks. That's how quarterback play gets better. Wait, Jets. Oh. Have success. He's got to go to Minnesota first. And then it doesn't matter where he goes.
- [66:41]
B
Did not. Did it Golf. Won a Super bowl with the Rams.
- [66:45]
A
Yeah, he lost the Super Bowl.
- [66:46]
B
Lost two Super Bowl. Went to a Super Bowl.
- [66:48]
D
He. He. Like, he was.
- [66:50]
B
Won in that.
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D
Because I feel like.
- [66:51]
B
Turn it around.
- [66:52]
D
He turned it around. Like he. He was there. They were kind of bad for a couple years and then they like once McVeigh got hired, they went.
- [66:57]
C
Yeah, I was gonna say Stafford with.
- [66:59]
B
Detroit never turned around.
- [67:02]
C
They still went 16. They still sucked.
- [67:05]
F
Yeah.
- [67:07]
C
That is a great argument for Joe Burrow and how good he is with Stafford at the Detroit.
- [67:11]
D
I mean, because you can't necessarily say it about Mahomes because they were good with Alex Smith before him. You could kind of say it about Josh Allen. Like they.
- [67:18]
B
He.
- [67:18]
D
They. He.
- [67:19]
B
Yeah, Josh.
- [67:19]
C
Josh Allen's a good one. Yeah.
- [67:21]
B
I mean, so your statement kind of just got thrown in the trash.
- [67:26]
D
Two people. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow.
- [67:28]
B
Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. We just had Stafford and Jared Goff.
- [67:33]
C
No, no, no. I think the argument. The Bills are playoff team when they draft because Jared Goff, they weren't good. Then McVeigh got there, which is great coaching. So that's. That's kind of like the changing the Go with that jerk off's a great quarterback.
- [67:44]
F
Would you put Herbert in there?
- [67:45]
D
I feel like fringe guy supposed to start his first game. Tyrod Taylor got poked in the lung and that's how he started.
- [67:53]
B
Yeah, yeah. Philip Rivers.
- [67:55]
C
They do it on purpose.
- [67:56]
B
So they're always pretty salty. Chargers were always pretty salty.
- [67:59]
C
Yeah. They weren't like an abysmal franchise. Like, what are. Like, what are the worst franchises? The Browns.
- [68:05]
D
The Jets.
- [68:05]
C
The Jets.
- [68:06]
D
Giants.
- [68:07]
C
The. Well, I see the Giants kind of Giants have had success in this century, though.
- [68:13]
D
CJ Strap could be good friends.
- [68:16]
C
No.
- [68:16]
F
Yeah.
- [68:16]
B
But before that, they had.
- [68:19]
C
They had Deshaun Watson. They had a great defense. They were competing in the AFC south every year. Jags. Trevor Lawrence, Jaden Daniels. Trevor Lawrence.
- [68:31]
B
Washington's trash this year, man.
- [68:33]
C
Yeah. Without.
- [68:35]
B
But even when he's played, they had no dude.
- [68:37]
C
I mean, they still. I feel like Traylon Burgs went off. Has the product truly changed at the quarterback position with the Commanders?
- [68:47]
F
Say it again.
- [68:47]
C
Jaden Daniels, Marcus Mayota. Has the product really changed that much? Six, seven? No, I don't think so. I don't think so either. And it's like if you're a Washington fan, you're in hell because this is 2015, 2016 all over again.
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B
Yeah, just defensively it's Guillemoto. Guillamoto has a nice. Gilly Moto has a nice tier time. We got a Bears fan right here. How many points per game do you think a head coach is worth? Die hard Bears fan here. I'm almost willing to give Ben Johnson plus six points. This is a per tier. This is a per team by team basis. Steve Rabel is like plus three and a half. But I think at this point, variable.
- [69:30]
C
Over Johnson, that you have his whole thought process in one tweet. Ben Johnson's for sure worth six points. They score in every opening drive. And that's just your script, your top 15 points.
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D
What would you say McVeigh is?
- [69:44]
C
McVeigh's tough because Stafford.
- [69:46]
B
Yeah. These are so situated, all these conversations.
- [69:49]
C
But I definitely put brables variables. Nine, how you gonna go nine points?
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B
I heard us playing the gilliamato game for Gilly Moto. How you giving Ben Johnson six and Bravel three and a half. And you're like. But I like Vrabel.
- [70:03]
C
That's like me saying the Patriots the best team, but I also think the Seahawks and the Rams are better.
- [70:08]
D
What about Andy Reid?
- [70:11]
C
I don't know. I don't know.
- [70:13]
D
Andy Reid did it with McNabb and stuff in Philly and then with Alex.
- [70:17]
B
You got to give Andy Reed at least a plus 8.
- [70:20]
D
I'm gonna say 10.
- [70:21]
C
More than giving them double digits.
- [70:23]
B
Andy Reid more than Braves. Yeah. I think you look at the historically like their resumes offensively too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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C
Cam at Cameron Leach 23. Jonathan Taylor deserves MVP if he keeps this up. I get it's a quarterback award, but this is a historical historic season. Should the NFL move to an MVP and a MV QB award? No, I think we need to get back to who's the best player in the NFL and right now it's Jonathan Taylor. Without a doubt. He's got PF3 again.
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D
Yeah, I saw a stat between through 10 games last year, Saquon had like. I think Jonathan Taylor's at 1139 yards. I think through 10 games last year, Saquon had 1137 yards. So Jonathan Taylor's ahead of Saquon's pace.
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C
Last year and he's got to be way ahead of him in touchdowns. Like, what's he on pace for?
- [71:17]
D
He's right now on pace to break the record touchdown wise? I'm not sure. I think he has like 15 touchdowns this year. 16. So he's not on.
- [71:27]
C
Yeah, we need to start having that conversation.
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B
He's. He's.
- [71:31]
F
What is he in the FanDuel's thirds? He moved up from 12 to third after this past weekend.
- [71:35]
B
Yeah. He 100% is in the MVP race. It's going to be harder for the running back to keep it up.
- [71:43]
F
The last quarter.
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A
No.
- [71:44]
C
Kids in the morning, man. Kids in the morning, the noon. I'm like watching ball.
- [71:48]
D
Well, if he, if Jonathan Taylor runs for like 1900 yards and like 26 touchdowns in a count and has like four or five more receiving touchdowns, so it counts for almost 30 touchdowns. Do you think that's MVP worthy?
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B
Yeah, yeah, I do.
- [72:02]
C
Would love to see 2000. Would love to. You get two.
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B
But again, what's the, what's the touchdown record for running backs?
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C
26.
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D
I thought it was 27. 28.
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C
28.
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F
30.
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C
And Tomlinson 2006 had, you know, 26 or 28.
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F
God, what a beast he was.
- [72:19]
C
And he won MVP. I think it's the last running back to win. Truly.
- [72:24]
B
It all depends with Drake May and Stafford. Like Stafford is blowing it up right now.
- [72:30]
D
Drake, he already has more touchdowns. Stafford has more touchdowns this year already than he did all of last year.
- [72:35]
B
Year. Yeah. What's he thrown for in the last three games? Thirteen.
- [72:38]
D
Something stupid.
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B
Yeah.
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I
Five. Five.
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C
Yeah, yeah. Thirteen.
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B
Yeah.
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F
He's having a fantasy. You should be playing him.
- [72:45]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then again, Drake May. It's like if the Patriots end the year and they're the 1 seed in the AFC and Drake may continues to play the way he's been playing with the stat line he has, it's going to be very hard to not give it to Drake May.
- [72:59]
C
Yeah, that's the problem is like, Jonathan Taylor has to do like those types of numbers you're talking about, like 2,030 total touchdowns.
- [73:07]
B
Yeah.
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F
Put on a show.
- [73:08]
C
But he continues to put on a show, man.
- [73:11]
F
Continues. Awesome. Like, came down to the wire overtime.
- [73:15]
C
Right.
- [73:15]
D
Falcons are the most bipolar team in the NFL.
- [73:18]
C
Bipolar, man.
- [73:20]
B
They. Yeah, they are, bro.
- [73:21]
C
They are Falcons. If you were like a bet, man, you want to stay away from the Falcons.
- [73:24]
D
They're officially on the no bet list.
- [73:26]
C
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're on the no bet list.
- [73:28]
F
You kind of want to stay away from Miami.
- [73:31]
C
Yeah. I mean, I think they're either getting.
- [73:32]
F
Blown out or blowing you out.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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B
You want to stay away From Miami as well. I'd put them on the.
- [73:38]
D
No, I feel like even Falcons players like Bijan, he's on the no bet list as well.
- [73:42]
C
Yeah. What's going on, dude? I have him and Agalar. What? What? Like Al. Whatever, dude. Who cares? I shouldn't know his name. Bijan should be starting.
- [73:51]
D
He should be playing every single day.
- [73:53]
C
Every snap, like he was.
- [73:55]
D
Algeria had two touchdowns.
- [73:56]
C
Middle of October, we're sitting on ESPN and Darren Lafsky goes by middle of November. Bijan Robbins won't be in the MVP conversation. Since then, he's gone downhill.
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B
Here's our, here's our last tear talk here From Jonah Konzon. Jonah K6 2 on X. Hashtag tear talk. Do you think Cleveland Browns fans are the most tortured in franchise history? And what would you do to get them to a championship level team? I don't know that last part of the answer. I would say, are you the most tortured fans? Like there's some, there's some brutal fan bases out there. Imagine being with the jets.
- [74:34]
D
Dude last been like this though, forever.
- [74:37]
C
Last week I was doing the Gillette thing and I went and did a, like a local jets podcast and the guy just. You could tell there was so much torture behind those eyes. But he was smiling the entire time. Like he, he's like, in 20 years, when we're good, like, I'm gonna be sitting here. Like, I like people are born into it, which I'm sure they are. The Cleveland. I would, I would give the edge to the jets, though. Bigger market, every year's their year. There's always some sort of glimmer of hope. Like this year it's. They've traded away everything. So like 20, 26 is going to be your year. And I, it's not.
- [75:11]
D
What about.
- [75:12]
B
I could say I could give the edge to Cleveland. Just because you, just because you also live in Cleveland. I mean, it takes a real sicko.
- [75:20]
F
Cleveland or Jersey you pick to be.
- [75:22]
B
A die hard Cleveland fan. Like a real sicko.
- [75:25]
D
Yeah, but like, yeah, I mean you think about those that the quarterbacks that they have gone through, they have gone through like 30 quarterbacks and still have.
- [75:33]
C
And you had Baker Mayfield, bro. You couldn't just stay with Baker Mayfield. And the way to get a championship, move the team. Fresh start, fresh set of eyes. You know, Bahama team something, do something different. You know, Key west, get a team.
- [75:49]
D
Back in San Diego.
- [75:50]
C
The San Diego will be so sick.
- [75:52]
B
The San Diego Browns doesn't feel right. Yeah, it doesn't feel right.
- [75:57]
C
I mean you don't have to keep the load. The Browns.
- [76:03]
B
All right, boys. We feel good, feel great.
- [76:04]
C
I'm trying to figure out where they're gonna go.
- [76:06]
B
Utah, send them up to Alaska.
- [76:10]
F
One of them put them overseas. You know, they're talking about expanding overseas.
- [76:15]
B
Yeah. Move them overseas.
- [76:18]
C
Yeah. The London Browns. All right. I like it.
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B
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B
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C
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C
Electric Weekend of Football Electric Electric Weekend. We'll start with Saturday. Let's get this one out of the way.
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B
And just to let and just to let the audience know, the stakes are obviously getting higher. Toward the end of the football season, we'll be talking all things college football. In this episode, we're going to be releasing the NFL The NFL one shortly after. But we have a, we have a huge one this week. A massive Saturday that we just had a M dominates Missouri.
- [80:52]
C
NFL is coming first. Mitch is doing this. That means NFL comes first. And then.
- [80:55]
B
Okay, the way we're sitting so you're listening to this.
- [80:57]
C
You've already hit the NFL.
- [80:59]
B
Yes.
- [80:59]
C
And you want yourself a little college portion. That's what you're getting at right now.
- [81:02]
B
Right? There we go. There we go.
- [81:04]
C
You heard this also on the NFL portion which we're going to shoot a little bit later.
- [81:07]
B
Yes. And coach Joey McGuire he's going to be tuning in to bustle with with the boys and talk about his big win out. Lubbock, Texas love it. We're covering everything. Conference breakdown, Heisman conversations, the College Football Playoff. By the way, shout out to the ACC for in the bed.
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C
Yeah. For everybody out there. Who's winning that thing now? Georgia Tech's winning it. That's what's happening. And then Miami find themselves now they're have a possibility to jump into the championship game.
- [81:35]
B
So we they could I like this will be for any ACC sickos out there but Georgia Tech is is 8 and 1. Virginia gets upset by Wake, Louisville gets upset by Cal. So you have Virginia is a two loss team. Louisville's a two loss team. Pitts a two loss team and Miami all two lost teams. So I think it is safe to say that there will only be one ACC team getting one.
- [82:00]
C
There will only be one. I know dude.
- [82:03]
B
They have no, I don't know if if Georgia Tech is only has one loss and they lose their conference championship.
- [82:09]
A
Game they might not get eliminated because.
- [82:11]
C
They didn't eliminate SMU last year in the same scenario.
- [82:14]
B
But that call, that's a great call. They would have to beat obviously with them being a one loss or losing the championship that means they're beating Georgia. They'd have to be Georgia. So we need Georgia to take care of business. So we need Georgia to take care of business. Georgia takes care of business. Only one ACC hold the boys.
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C
I feel you. Is this bus a little anti ACC right now?
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A
Yes.
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C
Very, very acc. I'm not pro.
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B
Yeah.
- [82:36]
C
Again right now I I'm an independent. I'm just trying to figure out we were whose side I want to be on and I feel like linesman drawing the standard here. I just want to know where I stand.
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B
Here's my breakdown of why it seems like we are now anti ACC. Wasn't before all this chaos started to ensue. It's like Miami was supposed to be a dominant team all college football season until they did what Miami does. So when they lost too, it's kind of like oh shit, you got Georgia Tech. They were supposed to be dominant. Who'd they end up losing to? Duke not too long ago?
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G
Duke.
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C
Who's they beat? Duke. That's right. Because they're all.
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D
Duke just lost a UConn over the weekend and UConn has been.
- [83:12]
C
Duke has just weirdly been favorite things like Illinois and other school. It's like what are y' all doing.
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B
Out here in our brains because us two sitting up here, we're more. More Big Ten then the boys in the back of the bus. SEC. We look at SEC, you look at Big Ten, even the Big 12 to a certain extent. ACC to me is just not like as far as depth throughout the entire conference. Clemson was supposed to be a dog this year. They weren't. Then Virginia coming out of nowhere. Louisville's a good football team. I will give Louisville credit to me that they. They've been somebody who's been consistent over.
- [83:43]
C
The football team, playoff football team or just good football team.
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B
If Louisville would have been a one loss team, that's where in my brain that's where you start to okay, let's see them get in the college football play playoff. But again ACC with all these two lost teams, to me, they're not a conference that's going to have a lot of these two loss conversations that the Big ten is going to have that the SEC is going to have that the Big 12 can have in a couple scenarios.
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F
A lot of the ACC teams somehow don't play each other either.
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D
That's what paid says. Yeah.
- [84:08]
C
Yeah. That is very odd. That is very odd how that works out that way. Okay.
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B
And the way everybody was talking about again all the massive implications going on inside of the.
- [84:18]
F
You went from having a chance to get three correct.
- [84:21]
B
Correct. One at one point there was four that would be arguing.
- [84:25]
C
Yeah.
- [84:25]
B
Four that be arguing in the ACC around all this chaos talk from the other big games that are going on. So oh, the ACC could really blow up all of college football if they have a lot of the. They have like four teams, two with one loss, two with two loss. They're all kind of beating each other. How do you keep them out? Now we know with these bad losses over the weekend, these upsets, we know who they are. We know they are who we thought.
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C
They were at the beginning of the year.
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B
So not anti aggressive acc but just these upsets kind of save college football.
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D
Yeah. I think we're more anti ACC because we want to see like more SEC and Big Ten teams get in and like these teams.
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B
We are.
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C
You guys are just. You guys are just. You're not anti acc, you're just more, hey, we got to keep the timeline correct. And having four ACC teams playoff, I think one was invited. They said, hey, can I bring somebody? You can maybe bring two. But that person wanted to bring two people. We're like, this shit's getting a little up. Luckily a couple people bailed out. Now just maybe one person's coming to the playoffs.
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B
This bus is pro. Good football teams getting into the college football.
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C
I like.
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B
That's it. Just because, I like that. Just because they have the ACC tied their name. That's what's unfortunate. But it's like you're seeing these teams and it's like they're not, they're not in these conversations with everybody else.
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C
It's so, it's. Yeah, because what we're looking at possibly four SEC teams. Correct. Possibly four Big Ten teams. Now that is totally based on Michigan beating Ohio State, which last four years. But we know Ohio State's looking like a juggernaut. Michigan's still figuring it out. But yeah, Indiana, they'll make it. Ohio State will make it. And I'm assuming Oregon. Washington to bed.
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B
Yeah, bring a Big Ten. Washington to bed. I s USC.
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C
USC's in there, still has to play Oregon.
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B
They do.
- [86:02]
C
They still have to play Oregon. And then I think one other team. You're like, oh, that's not necessarily a win right there. So you're looking at those three. And then if Michigan can beat Ohio State, you gotta let Michigan in as well.
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A
If Michigan wins out and beats Ohio State.
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C
Yeah, well, yeah, they're in like Michigan controls their destiny. There's a absolute juggernaut at the end of that 12. But hey, if we want. It happened last year.
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B
If we want Big Ten chaos, Michigan wins out and USC wins out.
- [86:29]
C
But go to.
- [86:29]
B
Then you have a two loss USC schedule real quick. If USC is a two loss team, they're getting.
- [86:35]
C
They're in. They are in.
- [86:37]
B
It's Oregon who would be a two loss team that could not get in. Michigan could not get in. But as far as Michigan, as far as arguments to get teams in the car, like that's where it's like, okay, we would see some good chaos.
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C
Yeah, but Michigan gets in, Michigan wins out, and you beat the number one team in the country. Like you're in.
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A
Right.
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B
I think that argument.
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C
That's, that's Like a. Yeah, that's done.
- [86:58]
B
Right. That argument is for sure there. All, all I'm saying is if you're looking at these two lost teams and only one of them gets in, right. You can't not look at the head to head with, with USC and Michigan.
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C
They got Iowa. But I, it's, it's at. It's in la and I think that's a much different vibe than an Iowa.
- [87:15]
B
Hey look, this is a tough Iowa football team.
- [87:16]
C
Iowa football. Can they travel out to the coast though? Can those corn fed boys look at the coast for the first time, not get distracted?
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B
Can USC out physical. The more physical team?
- [87:26]
C
They've done it before, right.
- [87:27]
B
So it's like this Iowa team is a tough football team now. You can't sleep on them.
- [87:31]
C
Can't sleep on them.
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B
Can't sleep on them. Then you got Oregon. That'll be the big one. That'll be the big one.
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C
And ucla, which we found out this week, weekend. They finally been put in their place by The Huskers.
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A
Yeah.
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B
T.J. latif, I tried telling everybody what is.
- [87:42]
C
I know, I know we usually we save Nebraska talk for the end, but what is the conversation surrounding Lincoln if TJ Latif has though that game he had.
- [87:52]
A
Yeah.
- [87:52]
C
Three more times. Is there a quarterback controversy in, in Lincoln, Nebraska?
- [87:57]
B
Did you see the.
- [87:59]
C
I saw, I saw somebody tweet that. I saw you tweet the Ben Affleck in the corner.
- [88:05]
B
Did you see Sid. Did you see Sydney Sweeney's interview last week that was going viral?
- [88:10]
C
Coach Maguire's about her denim out.
- [88:12]
B
Coach McGuire, he can hear this. We're talking about coach ruling the Huskers right now. Did you. Yeah. Did you see the way Sydney Sweeney answered that PR question last week?
- [88:19]
C
Yeah. Until there's a problem I want to, I want to address, I'll, I'll.
- [88:22]
B
If I feel like there's something there, you will hear me speak on it. But right now there's nothing there with TJ Latif and being the future quarter quarterback of Nebraska. This is one football.
- [88:31]
C
He's a freshman, right.
- [88:32]
B
And he's a baller. But again, this is, this is a, this is not a big enough sample size. If you're going to get a sample size of TJ Lateef and this would actually be a conversation. You would need three or four games of ball before you play like a good defense. Because after three or four games you now have tendencies to where it's like, all right, they call the game a certain way out there against UCLA for TJ Latif to be successful, and he balled out.
- [88:54]
C
And UCLA didn't know what you guys were going to do.
- [88:56]
B
Right.
- [88:56]
C
I understand that.
- [88:57]
B
Yeah.
- [88:58]
C
What the original question was is if TJ Lateef plays like that for the next three, four games.
- [89:02]
B
Yeah. If that becomes an issue, that's when Will Compton will speak on it. Right.
- [89:06]
C
That's what we'll have the conversation. Let's have the conversation with Coach McGuire. Let's see if we're on a flop. Oh, he's gone.
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B
Oh, he left.
- [89:12]
C
He left.
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B
Talking about the Huskers.
- [89:15]
C
Got a little nervous.
- [89:15]
B
You're gonna have to get.
- [89:16]
C
Got a little nervous.
- [89:17]
B
He's like, I watch Bus with the boys. You're gonna have to give will about 10, 15 minutes with the Huskers.
- [89:21]
C
Here's what I love. Coach. Hey, pleasure. Let's give Coach a round of applause real quick for being in here. Big win. Big win. And Tejas, we have a lot of coaches on that. After big games, they get wins and they do a zoom call with us. And every coach like Dan Lennon, he's got the big O in the back with some wings going off. We had. Who's the coach for Notre Dame? Who's the coach for Notre Dame?
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B
Freeman.
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C
Freeman. He's got the. The nice wood. I love the simplicity of your desk right now. Looks like you're sitting at a cubicle. You're keeping the main thing. The main thing. While everybody is like, this team is spending all the money in the world. How does it feel to have college game day in Lubbock, Texas, and be able to put on a performance that you guys did against byu?
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E
It was incredible. I wish I would have got to experience it starting Sunday because they started camping out on Sunday.
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B
There was a.
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E
There was a party Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Thursday night, that I've never seen anything like it. I wanted to be a college kid again. I mean, we had barbers out there, we had two DJs out there. We had a couple people doing nails. Thursday night went all night long. I mean, in the entire night. So it was pretty incredible. And then having game day here, and it just made it even better. That Friday night, going into Saturday morning.
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C
You got a seven days of partying taking place. You got 23 transfers. The number one transfer portal class this last year. Everyone's playing like absolute dogs together. Like, they've been. They've known each other since birth. What's the conversation like with these guys when you're like, hey, listen, I know there's some pretty girls out There right now. And they're partying Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday for this game. How do you limit distractions and keep these guys focused on ball? Because we've all been in college, we've all been out there, there's a couple parties going on. Nothing says I want to be undisciplined like a Tuesday night party.
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E
No doubt. A couple of things. One, we embraced it from the standpoint. Literally you walked out of our front door and the tents were right there outside of our facility. We connect, our facility connects to the, to the stadium. And so it was right outside. So like Wednesday practice, we walked through it going down to the stadium to end practice. So we embraced it. But the one thing, this is an old team we like in our advanced scouting, there hasn't been a team yet that has taken as many snaps offensive, defensively and special teams as this team has. So this is an old team and they understand, man, we talk about it all the time, you know, make it about football, like all the stuff around it. That's the great thing about college football, the pageantry, you know, everything that goes on to get to Saturday. But when that ball is kicked off, we got to make it about the football. And they did a great job of, of doing it, you know, and really policing themselves.
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B
Coach, clearly the job is not finished. But going into the season, you know the speculation around Texas Tech and all the guys that you brought in from the portal, it. The talk was you guys brought in a lot of mercenaries. Is this money and everything else paying these players? Is it actually going to work out? And you were having conversations with Josh Payton, everybody else saying that this is as close of a group as you've been around. Clearly the job is not finished. But now looking at the product that they put on the field, how proud of you, how proud are you and not surprised, are you, of what this football team has accomplished this season?
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C
Yeah.
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E
First, I love your hat, man.
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B
That's awesome. Hey, thank you. We'll get you one. We will ship you one today.
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C
Yeah.
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E
Hey, that's cool. You know, I'm extremely proud. I'm proud of the guys that we were able to retain. The guys that chose to stay with Baron and, and J. Rod, Jacob Rodriguez and you know, Ben Roberts, Sheridan Wilson, on and on, all Corey Aching. I don't want to miss anybody, but I'm proud of those guys because they helped me so much create what it means to be a Red Raider and what our culture is all about. And then, man, we had such buy in. But one reason I Think we had such buy in. And if you came into this building, you would understand this. There's not one single person that's on my staff that doesn't believe that the most important thing we have in this building is the player. And they feel it every single day. So if you're our head, our head dietitian, your job is to make sure that you're the best in the country at what you do and you make it all about the player. And it goes on and on from the trainer to the street staff. And we're like that every single day. We don't deviate from what we do. So they have a constant reminder that we care about them at a very high level and they play like it. And I, I'm proud because in this world right now, it's all about, you know, what have you done for me lately? It's all about me, me, me. And one thing that you got to do in a team sport, it's got to be about the team. It's got to be about, you know, the greater, greater than yourself. And, and these guys have really bought into that coach.
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B
You, you brought up one name, Jacob Rodriguez. You guys being in the Big 12, him being a defensive guy, you have things going against you from a national media landscape or national recognition. Why should a guy like Jacob Rodriguez be in the Heisman conversation? And can you talk about the impact he has as a defensive player on the field?
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E
Yeah, you know, and I don't want to. I'm not trying to disrespect anybody. I mean, I just go back and I, I mean, I'm a football geek, you know, I mean, I'm a, I'm about to. When we get off here, I'm literally going to pull up the brackets of the Texas High School Coaches association brackets to look through every level of who's playing who. And you know, I just go back and I think about different people. Like whenever Travis won it last year, how could you not give it to Travis? He's the most dominant. When you look around college right now, like, I think the Indiana quarterbacks play, I think that the Ohio State quarterbacks playing at a high level for their positions. I think Jacob Rodriguez, like, I know there's linebackers out there. Like Ohio State's got a linebacker that's playing at a really high level. I just know what my guy does down after down after down. And there's some freaky, freaky stats that haven't been done by defensive players. Like the dudes punched out seven footballs this year he had another interception that he tipped it to his cell and then he recovered a fumble. I mean, and then he had 14 tackles. I mean, the dude just, he, he's, he's an absolute machine and he's everything right about college football. The dude slept on his floor as a walk on during the spring semester until I had a scholarship. Whenever he transferred from Virginia. Virginia. So it's, it's just like there's so many things. Plus his wife's a badass. She's a Army Black Hawks. Black Hawks helicopter pilot. Sorry.
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B
Dude, that is, that is incredible.
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C
Yeah, we need, there needs to be like some sort of like, ad campaign that takes place for this individual.
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B
So there, there is one there. Because the last time a linebacker has been in the Heisman conversation was Mantayo. Manta TAO had about 110, 113 tackles right now. Jacob Rodriguez is on pace to, to beat that. He's averaging like eight and a half, nine a game. Manta Teo had seven takeaways during his senior season. Coaches mentioned that he's punched out seven balls, he's forced seven fumbles, and he has 10 takeaways right now on the season alone. So I do think that conversation will start really coming alive. But dude, that is, that is incredible. The whole sleeping on the floor.
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C
That, that is awesome. You, you brought up having conversations with players when you're bringing a bunch of these guys in. And one newsworthy type thing was you had a bunch of guys that played for you last year on the defensive line, and then you brought in a bunch of individuals as well. I want to know how that conversation takes place with these guys that play a lot of snaps for you. They're expecting to take the next step. They want to be a starter. They have dreams and aspirations of being in the NFL. And you essentially have to sit there and be like, hey, bringing in these guys, you're going to be more of a rotational player. Like, talk to me about those players, their ego and how they're able to put it to the side and understand that the team's most important, but also like they're chasing their dreams. It's a very unique situation that you have in a world that everybody just wants to get the most money and the most playing time. We had a bunch of cake eaters in college football. Right now. Seems like Texas Tech does not have any of those.
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E
For one, you know, it's. It's probably easier on the defensive side of ball than on the opposite side of the ball because, you know, you do rotate a lot of guys, so you're going to have snaps kind of be broken up. But, you know, I think one thing I can tell you is we brought in dudes, like, and so I think if you're real, if you really understand football and you bring in a remote height and you're sitting there trying to compare yourself to Romello height, you find out real quite quick that. That you can't compare yourself to that dude. When you bring in a David Bailey and you're like, man, I should be playing over this guy. And then you see David Bailey play it, you're like, you have to, like, be so delusional that you're not supposed to be behind him. And so I think that helps. Like, you got to be real careful. Like, I remember Saban saying it last week, got to be in the right guys and you got to pay the right guys.
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C
And.
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E
And so I think that's really important. But I do believe talking to these guys, too, about, look, he is only going to make you a better football player because, one, you're going to try to play to his level, and two, in the defensive line, you're not supposed to be playing 70, 80 snaps. You know, you're. You're not supposed to be. And so you get. You get some of that taken off your body and. And you're going to get to play at a higher level. So they understand that. But that was one thing that was important is, like, I was talking to my GM and I was like, man, when we bring guys in, if they're comparable our guy, then why are we doing it? We got to bring in dudes that are definitely going to make us better, and our players can see that.
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B
Coach, I. I know. I listened to your interview with Josh Payton. You brought up a couple, a couple mentors, a couple guys along the way, and it was Coach woods and Coach Rule. And so I reached out to Coach Rule and asked him him, told him that I'll be having you on this morning. And he wanted me to bring up your first interview with him at ihop. How was that breakfast? Well, I think we went through about.
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Three pots of coffee. You know, it was one of those deals I'll never forget. It was a Sunday morning, and we had to do it on Sunday because he works for me, David Martin, he was playing for a state championship in Oklahoma Friday night, and we had this deal to where whoever lost had to cross the Red river and go watch the other guy play. So I was supposed to interview with Coach Roll Friday, and I Called him. I said, coach, I'll do. I'll. I'll come back Saturday morning. I'll do whatever I said, but I can't watch my buddy not play for the state championship. And so he won his first state championship, came back to Texas, and met with Coach in Hillsborough at ihop. And my wife, whenever I was leaving, she goes, you know, you're never going to leave Cedar Hill. Why. Why are you going to talk to this guy? And I said, man, there's just something about him, and I got to find out what it is. And whenever I walked out of that meeting, I called Debbie and I said, hey, if he offers us a job, we're going to Baylor. And the thing that he talked about is how much he poured. And he does everything he said he does. He pours into players. I believe in that. I believe in making these guys men that they're supposed to become. And. And he does that. He is a tough guy. His teams are physical. I believe in that. And so we just hit it off. And I tell everybody this. If I hadn't have been hired by Matt Rule, because I was probably going to go to college, I had the opportunity, but that was my son's senior year, and everything was going to change. I wouldn't be at Texas Tech without Matt Rule. And the reason is because he has no ego when it comes to pouring into coaches. And I walked by his office one day, and he said, get in here. It's like three to four weeks into the job. And he goes, hey, man, you're supposed to be a head coach. I've been a head coach 14 years. And I was like, you know, I like to think that I should be. He goes, no, no, no. You're supposed to be a head coach at this level. Let me show you what you don't know. And it was roster management. It was about recruiting, it was about graduating players early, let them start their masters when they still had two years left in the program. Like, just stuff like that that, you know, as a high school coach, I didn't have to deal with.
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B
That is awesome. That is awesome. He also said you loved wearing a jacket in mornings in case they made the coaches run. Let me tell you, it was a.
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E
It was pretty cold one morning, and I should have known by his reaction. So, I mean, we're going to the indoor to do our fourth quarter, and it's in February, and I've got shorts on. And I said, how's it going, Coach? And he goes, not good. He was pissed off about something, and I should have turned around and got some clothes.
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B
Well, I didn't.
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E
And instead of doing the fourth quarter and indoor, we did the fourth quarter and in the frost and on the football field and I froze my tail off. And then on. It didn't matter what the weather was like. I dressed warm for those early mornings because I didn't know what kind of.
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B
Mood he was going to be in.
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E
And I make sure I wouldn't freeze my tell all.
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C
I love that. While you were telling those amazing stories, I was handed a note by one of our producers. Texas Tech has never won a Big 12 championship. And I don't say that to rub it in. I say it because you're staring down the barrel of an opportunity here to bring home the first Big 12 championship to Texas Tech. Patrick Mahomes is at the game this past weekend. He's talking about, you know, when I was here, we didn't really have this kind of environment. So amazing to see Lubbock, Texas, like, acting like this crazy. They're, they're, they're camping out seven, five, six days before. Now you have an opportunity to do something that Texas Tech has never done. You have a massive game with college game day there. Now you got UCF coming in. How do you keep the train rolling and keep these guys all focused, knowing that you have the opportunity to do something that's never been done before at that college?
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E
Go back to coach rule. You know, his big motto is, what's next? You know, and I walked into the locker room, I was one of the first guys in the locker room after the game. And Jake Rodriguez, I think, was the first player in the game. And I came over and gave him a hug and said how proud I was of him. And he goes, coach, I just want to remind you, this wasn't our goal. And we got more in front of us. He said, let's be happy, but what's next? And I was like, man, here's a player saying that. He said it to the guys in the weight room yesterday during our lift before our team meeting. You know, we understood what a year this was. You know, how big of a year this was going to be. Because we can eliminate so many excuses and things that people use against us in recruiting. You know, we, we have the best facility in the country. I mean, it's absolutely incredible. And so whenever people say we got better facilities, now, they don't. We share at the highest level whenever it comes to the revenue sharing. So it's not the money, you know, the thing that people can use against us is we've never won the Big 12. So that's. That's the next box we're trying to check off. So now we have no excuse to, you know, compete for it year in and year out.
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B
Coach. Man, we're rooting for you the rest of the way, bro. Thank you for taking time out of your morning to join busing with the boys. Good luck the rest of the way. We will be rooting for you. And we will be, you know, as a linebacker, I'll be helping try and carry the torch to get Jacob Rodriguez in more of this national conversation. But thank you. Thank you, man.
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E
Man, I'm a big fan of you guys.
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A
I freaking love it.
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E
I love what you do for college football and really appreciate having me on, man.
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B
We got to get out there. We got to get out there.
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C
Yeah. If this is an invite, we'll be there.
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E
I'm telling you.
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A
I'll take care of you.
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E
Had the best steak you've ever had, man. Okay, Coach, we gotta go.
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B
We gotta go to an ihop. We gotta have breakfast.
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C
I'll have breakfast at ihop. Three pots of coffee, and then we'll finish it off with the best steak we've ever had. We're gonna get your address. We're gonna send you a bunch of dad merch. Girl, hat are you. You're obviously a father. How many kids do you have?
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E
I've got two kids. My daughter is a red Raider. She's a fashion designer in Manhattan, New York. And my son actually coach for coach rule at the Carolina Panthers at Nebraska. And now he's my running back coach.
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C
So keep it in house, man. I love it. That's amazing. We'll get you some dad merch. We're looking forward to seeing you during springboks. Give coach one more round of applause. Thank you, coach. Thank you for taking the time, man.
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C
Indiana, Penn State. People would keep forgetting that Penn State's got a top 25 roster. And they showed, they showed Indiana that right to the end. Man, what a throw and catch. Who was the wide receiver that caught that ball?
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B
Cooper.
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C
Oh my. Dude, Cooper. Unbelievable. And that Fernando Mendoza kid, he is just dude.
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B
That final drive, Unreal. Awesome. To see the way he was spinning the the catches that these receivers are making like only in spots that they could catch him starting off and getting sacked to start the drive was kind of like, oh like Penn State might upset this Indiana team. Everybody's going to be waiting to say overrated. All this stuff you kind of see.
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C
Because it's the worst team for it to happen to.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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C
If Ohio State got upset by by Penn State, it'd be the whole conversation would be around, that's a good roster. Those guys are all, you know, James Franklin's gone, blah blah. Indiana loses. It's like they are who we thought they were. Yeah. People are begging Indiana to suck.
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B
You think so what g say geos.
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C
They still might be who we thought they were.
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B
They could be like that's going to be the first thing if they drop A game if they open, you know, college will playoff. Let's say they're ranked in the top four because that's where they're trending right now. We'll actually get to watch them against Ohio State, most likely in the Big Ten championship. So we will get to see. But I just think like for Fernando Mendoza, the whole Heisman campaign and everything else, like there are moments that guys are going to have to have and I feel like he got to have a Heisman moment on that final drive. Like the dude was spinning the rock. But they very well could be like they could get their ass beat like they did last year in the College Football Playoff.
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C
Yeah, they got two walkthroughs for the rest of their season. Yeah, they got Wisconsin and Purdue.
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B
Matt, Matt, put it on.
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C
Was that. Yeah, Wisconsin football team. That's a good fool. That's a good Washington football team.
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B
What do you.
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C
Arguably the best quarterback, running back receiver trio in all the Big Ten.
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B
What do you got, J.P. yeah. Matt put it on our radar this morning.
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A
One of the Indiana receivers is from father ryan.
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B
He had seven catches yesterday for like 10330 yards.
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C
Is this the same kid who's like his career? He had seven catches and just in this game alone he doubled his career catches. Probably because I saw a stat line. I don't remember who exactly it was, but it was like seven catches, 130something.
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B
Nashville guys dominating college football. Dude, boys, man.
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C
Love to see it.
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B
What, what are your guys's thoughts on the Fernando Mendoza, Julian saying Heisman race, Heisman conversation. I'm fired up about learning more about Jacob Rodriguez is you see names getting thrown around. Jeremiah Smith, Jeremiah Love, Ty Simpson in the conversation. Emmett Johnson getting in the conversation.
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C
First player to have a hundred yards, 100 yards rushing, hundred yards receiving in a game this year.
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B
Yeah. I want to say he's the first guy in the history for Nebraska too.
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C
Really?
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B
I know somebody was kind of trying to fact check it. Like I don't know if that's confirmed.
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C
Nebby have done that.
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B
That's what was confusing. Even Rex didn't receive. He didn't play receiver as much as Amir. But yeah, bro, Emma Johnson's flat out balling like the dude should be absolutely an all American for him to have. What does he have? He leads the country. I believe in all purpose. He's one or two. He's one or two. He's second in rushing. Second in rushing. 14 touchdowns. He said two 20 and three touchdowns this past game against UCLA. He's a baller Bro, he's balling. But to bring it back, like, what are your guys's thoughts on the conversation? I was going back and forth with some Ohio State fans. I'm doing my best to be like, yo, Julian Saying is a stud.
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C
He is.
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B
I believe he's a stud.
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C
The only, the only game I've really been able to watch of Ohio State that, like, I've really would tune into was the Penn State game last week.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And then when they played Washington, and it's like, Julian Saying is a good football player. He throw, he. He gets the ball out quick. He makes great decisions. When he gets in a pinch, he uses his legs, his limited athletic ability to get him the first down and move the chains. They don't have like the best run game in the, in the entire world. But my question is, is Julian saying that good or does he have the two best wide receivers in college football and for that reason he is that good. I'm sure there's some sort of combination of the two. And being a Michigan guy, I don't want to, like, disrespect the kid because I do think he's balling out right now. But there is something to be said about, you know, Jeremiah Smith and was it Cardinal Tate?
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D
And I'll tell you, I think he does definitely have freaks around him. I mean, he's. It looks like he's the. Him and Mendoz are tied at plus 165 on the FanDuel Sports. Book it for odds.
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B
And the next one's ty Simpson, a plus 500. So right now it's a two man race.
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D
I mean, I think Marcel Reed, with who he's like, the teams that he's playing and how he's, like, played, I think he should be higher up. But I think, like, if Fernando Mendoza wins it, I think it's kind of like a boring Heisman Trophy winner because he hasn't, like, he doesn't really make flashy plays. He just doesn't necessarily make them those mistakes. And Indiana hasn't necessarily played anybody other than Oregon. And I don't think if I remember correctly, he played all that well. Like, neither of them have really had like a. Oh, that's like their Heisman moment. That's their Heisman game. Like, I, I think Jeremiah Love, he's a stud. And I mean, what he put. He had like six touchdowns in one game or whatever it was.
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C
Yeah, I remember somebody said he would have been the Heisman. I forget who it was.
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B
For me, it's just like the Comparable that I was diving into was being surrounded by freaks. People brought up Joe Burrow and I'm like, yeah, well, Joe Burrow through for like over 6,000 yards or like around 6,000 yards and what, 60 touchdowns. And he. He goes on. He's, you know, undefeated season. He's beaten teams Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia. Like the schedule that Ohio State's had. If Julian saying, surrounded by these freaks because it's not like their run game has been what it's been in the past at Ohio State, like, Julian saying, like, they would be dominating teams and he would. His stat line would be far and above anybody else's. And since it's comparable with Fernando Mendoza. Mendoza having like a Heisman moment that people got to kind of witness on the stage against Penn State when Penn State was about to upset him, I just think it's like, yo, Fernando Mendoza's did more, has done more with. Lay with way less as he's kind of come onto the scene.
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C
I agree with that. But also like Ohio State, you can tell the trust they have in Julian Saint because they. Their run game is not as good, but they do not want to run the ball. They want to throw the ball. And so the kid's been putting the ball in the right spot. Very rarely is there a lot of, like, DBs drenched around these wide receivers, but he's still like, he throws a great deep ball, puts it right in the bucket. I mean, these guys going across the field like there's no one around, but he's putting it right on the chest of the wide receivers. Yeah, there's a level of like, this kid has a lot of talent, obviously.
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D
I think he has.
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C
If I were to give it to somebody right now, it would be Fernando Mendoza for the. For the reasons you said. Said like he's doing. He's got less players around him. I think it'd be sick if Indiana got themselves a Heisman winner. Ohio State, they. How many they have? Like five or six.
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D
Yeah, something like that.
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C
Yeah.
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B
I just feel like usually in college football there's somebody who's just dominating the stat sheet. And if somebody is going to be doing it, it would be Julian saying right now. And it's just not dominant the way that you would typically see one of these beast quarterbacks, especially when you're surrounded by aliens, like, dominating the scene all season long.
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C
I do like the Marcel Reed. I like the Marcel Reed. Like, he is a baller.
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D
Julian saying, I think has like an 80 completion percentage, which is kind of insane.
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B
Throws a good deep Ball.
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D
But again, it's just like he has studs.
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C
So it's like studs.
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D
You can literally just throw it up.
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C
And it's two top five picks.
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B
He'd look weird up there with all.
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F
Those other hot ones.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
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D
Like, you throw. You throw a ball up to Carnell Tate and Jeremiah smith. Like a 50. 50 ball. It's not 50.
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C
Yeah, it's like 80. 20.
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D
Yeah. Like those. Those guys are insane. Shout out Brian Hartline for recruiting.
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B
Yeah. Dominators were supposed to be Lenore Sellers, DJ Lagway. He got benched over the weekend. Nutmeyer. He was. He got benched.
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C
Got benched. What a weird year it's been for quarterbacks.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Like, was it Kate Clubnik? He was supposed to be something special.
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B
Yeah.
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C
And I haven't really heard about him at all since. Who they lose to early in the year? Lsu. But then they lost somebody else as well. Yeah, but this the second loss, when we're like, okay, Clemson's frauds. It was like, Cade's been like, now out of the conversation. Nutmeier, he's got an oblique. He doesn't have oblique. Now he's like, benched. It's crazy. Diego Pavia. That was a fun conversation for a week. Now he's 17th.
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D
What about it? No, that's.
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C
He went off, but I feel like that conversation has kind of like gone away. Pavia is up there for Heisman.
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B
This is. Those are quarterbacks. I was going.
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I was going to say, I still.
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C
Think Diego Pavi has a real shot.
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A
To win the Heisman if they went out, beat Tennessee, get into the College Football Playoff.
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C
I think Pavia's got a real shot to win the Heisman draft.
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B
Especially when you get the Pavia moments going. Like. Yeah, if they. If they win out and he's got the Pavia moments, he'll very much be in that conversation. He'll have his Heisman moment.
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A
If they beat Tennessee when those other.
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C
Guys don't really have a Heisman moment yet. They will play the conference championship against each other. Mendoza and saying for technically the Big.
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Ten and the Heisman. Did I say when? Yeah, I. I'm taking Vanderbilt Moneyline versus Tennessee.
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C
Letting.
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A
Letting it be known right now.
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B
Jack just ripped the mic.
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How's your Florida Gators do this week?
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B
We're. We're focused on the next head coach. It was the worst loss in school history. To quote Josh Pate. They watch the games in black and.
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C
White since the last time Florida was beat that bad. But buying stock low hey, buying stock.
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B
Low Lane Kiffin will be the next.
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A
Head coach of the Florida Gators and Vanderbilt Moneyline.
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I
I mean, I don't care what Clump has to say. His opinion to me is truly that of, like, a teenager who doesn't know what breakfast cereal he wants to eat.
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C
You really rounded that out, J. Because I saw you, like, thinking through that.
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And so, yeah, I'm not, at this point. Tennessee, season's over. I mean, I'm just stoked for Vanny to come in and Kneeland and hear that noise. It's gonna be loud as hell. People hate Diego Pavia. Knoxville. It's gonna be loud. And I'm not saying it's gonna be easy, but Clump texted our social group me while I was away for a wedding this weekend. It was the only text I even looked at, and it was, tennessee is gonna lose to Florida and Vanderbilt. And I knew he was just saying it to.
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B
No, no, there's context to that, but go ahead.
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C
Here. The contact club. I don't want to be. I don't want to be on the camera. I don't.
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A
Porter posted. Tennessee has a real chance to make the playoff. And I said, there's no shot Tennessee can make the playoff. That's what.
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B
What the discussion was. Got you. Got you. We do. Mitch brought it up. Marcel Reed, Garrett, before we came on, he was kind of saying that Texas A M should be the number one in the team in the country. My question. Question to you guys, why?
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I mean, you're talking about, like, beating teams bad. I feel like A and M is beating teams bad. They beat the. Out of Mizzou.
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Closer for a second. What's that close for a second?
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D
Okay.
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B
Second, third string quarterback.
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F
I mean, okay, but like, you're talking about, like, Ohio State should be blowing people out. They're not really blowing people out. They also had a close game against Penn State. Who's garbage?
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B
Penn State's not garbage. Okay, so who is A. Who is A and M beat outside of Notre Dame?
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F
What do you mean?
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B
Who's A and M beat outside of Notre Dame? I'm looking at Auburn. They're not good. Florida's trash. Arkansas. They beat Arkansas by three points.
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C
They beat Notre Dame.
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B
Yeah, I said outside of Notre Dame. Who's there? Who's their best one? They beat Notre Dame by one. Yes, but so is Ohio State.
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F
Okay, I'm just telling you my side of the argument. I think that what they're doing is proving more than what Ohio State and Indiana is proving.
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C
I love how Will asked The question, like, I'm really curious, you guys have to say, who the. Have they played, though? G. Well, honestly, I don't see nobody out here. Who are they going against?
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B
Here's what happens. People latch onto the Penn State. Penn State's a bad football team. Like, still arguably an incredible roster, which a lot of these SEC teams have, and they still end up, like, laying eggs. Like, these teams that I'm. I'm mentioning are, like, not good. Okay, so people talk about Ohio State's SCH schedule, Indiana's schedule. It's like, okay, well, what would you compare.
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F
Would you compare Penn State's roster in Florida's roster, like, in that type of argument?
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B
Yeah, I think. I think all these teams are read off in the SEC at one point in time. It's like, this could be a good team because they have good rosters.
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A
So.
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F
But what was the score for the Penn State Indiana game right now? One score.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
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F
If you're going to compare rosters that way, A m beat Florida 34, 17.
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B
They also beat Arkansas by three points.
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F
Okay.
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B
They almost got upset by Arkansas.
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D
Like, this conversation is hilarious.
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F
Will. Will's asking the same thing. It's just I have one belief and you have the other.
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B
Well, because I. Again, yeah, I'm set. I was, like, setting that up because I'm, like, excited to have this argument because everybody.
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F
Everybody want, say, 35, 34, 31. They're putting up. They beat Notre Dame 41, 40 at Notre Dame early in the year.
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B
Notre Dame done fumble the snap points.
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C
A and M should have lost that game. There's a massive holding on fourth down, too. Say it again.
- [121:14]
B
Yeah, I think that they are beating.
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F
Teams at a larger margin than some of these other undefeated teams.
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C
I think Ohio State matches up real well against X.
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F
It'll be a great game.
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C
Game. Yeah, it would be a fantastic game. I don't think you can take away Texas at one just because they're quietly beating everybody. And I think they're covering two.
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F
Texas at 1, A and M. No.
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C
I'm sorry, Ohio State. You can't take Ohio State away at one because they're just like. They beat Texas, which is like, their biggest win. Texas has come back in a big way, but that wasn't the team they played week one.
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B
Right.
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C
They've just quietly been doing their thing. Like their schedule is their schedule. But they're beating teams, they're covering against teams, and they never see. Like, they just seem very complete and they're like, on to the next. Like, they Seem like they're stacking blocks as opposed to. Yeah, you know, really good teams where it's like, oh, are they?
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B
And nobody has scored over 16 points against Ohio State.
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C
Right. Which hasn't happened since 2013 or 2020 3.
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F
Put up against him 14.
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B
Penn State put up 14. Purdue put up 10. Wisconsin 0. Illinois 16. Minnesota 3. Washington 6.
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C
What are their points?
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F
What are Ohio State's points in those games?
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C
Ohio State, I think so.
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B
Here. I'll rattle it off. Because they. They haven't. Outside of Ohio State versus Texas, where they won 14, 7, it's been 70 nothing. 37, 9, 24, 6, 42 to 3, 34 to 16, 34 to nothing, 38 to 14, 34 to 10.
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F
All right, so they're blowing people out.
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C
Yeah, yeah, dude, they are those teams. Team. They are the most complete team in college football right now.
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D
That was Grambling state.
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C
Yeah. Yeah. 70. That was. That was Grandpa.
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B
And you want to know something? I'd love to see him trip up. Hey, same in the College Football Playoff.
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C
Whoa, buddy. I'm letting you know this is November 29th.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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C
Like running the ball like they. If there's one thing their defense does not do extraordinarily well, it's protecting the run. And I'm telling you, if we can get maybe Brian Hartley, because I. I have. I have so much respect for Brian Hartline. Like him as an oc, he's obviously done an incredible job this year. Him as a recruiter with the wide receivers like Ohio State is. Wide receiver.
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You.
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C
I know people want to talk about LSU and all that. It's like you look at recency, biased. All of the best wide receivers in the NFL are Ohio State guys. He has done amazing. He's got two top five, probably two top five top ten picks at the wide receiver position. Julian Sain is playing incredible, but I'm just telling you, dude. Ann Arbor, Michigan, November 29th. It's. It's. This is the same two teams as last year, but Michigan's just a little bit better. Michigan at this point last year was 5 and 4. We're 7 and 2.
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D
We should go.
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C
We have. I think we're going to stream it.
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B
Oh, hey.
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C
All.
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B
All to say love arguing. Love all. That's what makes this sport insane. I would love to see Ohio State trip up against Michigan. I'd love to see Indiana go undefeated in the Big Ten championship. I'd love to see Ohio State whoop Indiana to where all the conversations against the Big Ten. Maybe A and M goes undefeated. May Maybe A and M makes it, goes all the way to the championship, and then they just somehow lose to a rematch versus Notre Dame. Then the Independence, the independent school, Notre Dame takes everybody down to where, you know, the SEC has it over the Big Ten. Yo, they play nobody. Ohio State lost to Michigan. Dude, Ohio State blew out Indiana. We know Indiana was overrated. There were nobodies. Now we're in the college football.
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C
Meanwhile. Meanwhile, we're sitting here talking about two conferences. The Big Ten in the SEC, Texas Tech, Joey McGuire. Yeah, who knows? We could just be sitting and be like, hey, SEC is better. No, Big Ten's better. And Texas Chick just fucking runs through people in the month of January.
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B
That's the winner.
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C
Texas Tech. Notre Dame in the championship.
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B
Big 12 in Texas Tech, that's the winner. I would love to see that.
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D
Texas Tech defense is real too nasty, bro. I think they're like top three, top five, and, like, points a lot per game, I think.
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B
And last year, bro, they were like in the 120s.
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D
They're unreal. I love.
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B
They're on the bus right now.
- [125:24]
C
They're gonna keep reloading because I love the idea of Texas Tech just it.
- [125:28]
F
We're gonna win it in the best spot, right? Watching chaos ensue.
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C
Yeah, the best spot. And also, buddy, like, just to bring it back to the Big Ten a little bit. Everyone and their mother has been like, oregon, we're done with them since they lost Indiana. Everyone's kind of like, ah, you know, we'll see if they get in the playoff. We'll see if they don't. Like, maybe Dan Lanning has us exactly where he wants us. Because last year they're flying high, right? They beat the brakes off of Penn State, the Big Ten championship. It was really just a shootout, but you know what I'm saying? Everyone's like, this is the team, this. And then all of a sudden, a pissed off Ohio State team just comes and runs through everybody but the Ducks, baby. I'm the Ducks. And also the Dogs. Bringing the back to the sec. Dogs don't care about your feelings. They really don't. And they just are quietly winning games and being a top five team and like, kind of covering. They covered this past weekend then. Not covering, but it's like, Kirby Smart does not give a. He's going to be in the SEC championship against Alabama.
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F
What about A. M?
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C
Oh, you're right. I just keep forgetting about A M.
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D
Did you watch the Oregon Iowa game?
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C
Yeah, I watched. I watched the second half of it. I was at Dave And Buster's with five kids by myself.
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D
Iowa. I think, I think Iowa has.
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A
It was awesome.
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D
Iowa like their rush defense was like top 10 as it normally is. Like they allow like 90 yards per game. I think Oregon rush for like 200 yards against them. They have like a four headed monster in the running back room. Like they, they can like beat whoever, whatever.
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C
Pete said it like Oregon. Everyone thinks it's like a high flying offense. They average 6.7 yards per carry on the ground and it was what, 42 degrees?
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D
Rainy.
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C
Rainy.
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B
They beat Iowa at Iowa football.
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C
Yes.
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B
And it couldn't have started any better. A safety two to nothing right out of for them.
- [127:12]
C
And then for. I would have go up with a minute 20 left in the game and they're just like it done crazy.
- [127:19]
B
I was praying for just fourth quarter it's two to nothing. Iowa kicks a field goal. Then Oregon goes down and kicks a game winning field goal to win five.
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C
That would be awesome. Like that Steelers Chargers game last night.
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B
Where did Oregon end up on the AP this week? Because the AP poll didn't have Iowa in the top 25 last week. So I'm sure they don't see it as like a, a quality whatsoever right now.
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C
Oregon 7. They dropped one spot.
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B
Yeah, I think you could flip, you could flip Ole Miss in Oregon. But quiet.
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C
Ole Miss is quiet. Everyone's like the head coach is leaving and quietly they're just nine and one sitting there.
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F
We have a huge one this weekend. Not to like, I do think ahead but it could shake things up.
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B
Who does Bama got this weekend?
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C
Oklahoma.
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B
Yeah.
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F
Because Oklahoma's just kind of sitting right.
- [128:09]
B
They're on the, they're a bubble team. I was talking about them.
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C
Yeah, but as Oklahoma kind of like Missouri where they're like just begging to stay in the playoff conversation and then it abruptly comes to a halt.
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B
I thought so. Until they went out to Tennessee and we all, we all watched that game and it was like what the hell is going on here?
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C
John Mateer.
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F
Like they just need more consistency.
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B
They need better offense.
- [128:29]
C
But like I don't see it getting more. Dude, that, that injury. I do not see it getting more. Look at old Mississippi. Remaining schedule. Yeah. Florida, Mississippi State.
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F
Don't, don't sleep on the Bulldog.
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B
Don't sleep, don't sleep on the Rebels.
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D
They won this weekend or no. Just kidding.
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C
And I'm telling. Dude, that Florida game right there is a scary one.
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D
It's at home.
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B
Ah, it shouldn't be be scary but.
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C
That'S when it gets scary.
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B
Florida's dead for a true freshman.
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C
Florida is the Penn State of the sec. Outstanding roster. Can't put it together.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Down their quarterback.
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B
Hey, Bama, two on that G. Like. Yeah. It's like Ty Simpson is going to have to be connecting with these explosive plays. He had a couple where he's just missing. And since Bama can't run the football that well like Oklahoma, I feel like we'll kind of eat that up. And it comes down to it. It's. It's. It feels like a matchup. Like Tennessee, Oklahoma, where you guys can throw the ball well.
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F
The one thing I like though is our defense is playing their best football right now.
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B
Yeah.
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F
Like they are flying around turnovers like that. We didn't have turnovers last year at all. We had two, maybe three this game, but we turned the ball over in positive territory and only come out with three.
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B
Yeah.
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F
So it's like putting that away, putting that away. Scoring with 20 seconds left in the first half the last three games is the best feeling.
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B
Yeah.
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F
Send that team to the locker room like.
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C
Right.
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B
What do we think is going to happen in the Big 12? Who you think is going to be in the Big 12 championship, like right now? I know we have. I think we.
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C
I think we watch that game this weekend.
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D
It's going to be a rematch of this past week.
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B
Do you think so you think BYU takes down Cincinnati?
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C
Yeah, I do. By pull up.
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B
BYU study.
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F
You need that?
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B
No, I'm.
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C
I'm.
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D
Yeah.
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B
I'm not saying he doesn't really.
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C
He doesn't need it.
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B
Yeah, I don't need it anymore. It's just more like Cincinnati's been a good team. They've kind of been fun to watch and see. What sources.
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C
Yeah, it's BYU at CincinnatiU drops to Cincinnati. Does that put Utah in the big. Big 12 championship?
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E
Cincinnati, the big.
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A
Oh, they've only lost one.
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C
One conference game.
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B
Yes.
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C
And quietly. So Utah is just going to be in the big. Is going to be in the playoff.
- [130:49]
F
And they would need a little help.
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B
Utah, last week there. Well, Utah might need help, but they're going to be again. It's like they could finish. They'll finish 10 and 2 and they'll just be sitting there. Prime college football playoff conversation.
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C
And if. Yeah, for cfp. Because you got. If you're going to have Oregon, Indiana, Ohio State, Michigan in there and the Big Ten and the sec, you're gonna have A M, Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss and.
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F
Yeah.
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C
Is there any more that I need to be thinking of?
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F
Oklahoma is currently ranked 12.
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C
Yeah, but they're currently ranked 12. I'm. This is me assuming they dropped to Alabama.
- [131:25]
F
Right.
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C
So that would be the four right there.
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B
So that's eight.
- [131:28]
C
ACC is gonna get one. So now that's nine.
- [131:31]
B
Like G5.
- [131:33]
C
A G5. And then you're gonna have two spots for the Big 12. Memphis lost. Memphis lost.
- [131:38]
F
Memphis was that team.
- [131:39]
B
You'll have one. You'll have one. The Big 12 championship. The Big 12 champion will get in. Then it'll be like one. One other.
- [131:46]
D
Well, here. Here's a.
- [131:48]
B
Here's a situation Notre Dame will be in. So that's if Big Ten and SEC get four in, which I don't think will happen.
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D
What if, like, since he beats BYU and then since he beats Texas Tech in the Big 12 championship. Dude, like, I feel like both. Obviously Cincinnati will get the automatic birth. Like, you're not going to leave Texas Tech out?
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B
No, I. Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
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C
And who was saying that the committee keeps. Keeps the championship. Like, doesn't put a lot of weight in the championship games. Correct.
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D
Yeah.
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C
Right.
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B
You get the automatic if somebody gets their brakes blown off. I think that they could.
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C
If you could.
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D
If you.
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C
Yeah.
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B
If there are two lost teams, which.
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C
The only game I see that happening is possibly Indiana, Ohio State.
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B
But Indiana is undefeated.
- [132:31]
C
Right. And they still get in.
- [132:33]
B
Yeah. If they're one lost team, they'll. They. That's where it's like they won't get punished for getting blown out in the Big Ten championship.
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C
Excellent. All right.
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B
That is our college football talk. Hey, hell of a week.
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C
Hell of a week.
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B
Locker room will be coming out or busting with the boys will be coming out tomorrow with K. Adams. And then we'll have the locker room on Wednesday. Locker room on Thursday. Inside the bus Friday. Let's have a week, boys. Thank you guys for joining. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Make sure you are subscribed and leave comments.
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