Drew Brees On Journey From Purdue To Saints + Zack Baun On Eagles Super Bowl & Skattebo | Bussin'

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys – Drew Brees On Journey From Purdue To Saints + Zack Baun On Eagles Super Bowl & Skattebo | Episode 351

Date: October 21, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton, Taylor Lewan
Guests: Drew Brees (NFL legend), Zack Baun (Philadelphia Eagles LB)
Theme: The resilience and defining moments across football journeys – from Drew Brees’ legendary career pivot points and life lessons to Zack Baun’s transition and the Eagles’ run. Plus, the eternal love of the locker room, family weekends, and some hilarious inside-the-NFL banter.

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers two major interviews: Saints icon Drew Brees on his improbable rise from under-recruited Texas high schooler to NFL superstar, with deep insights into overcoming adversity; and Eagles linebacker Zack Baun, reflecting on his "prove-it" contract, NFC success, life in Philly, and the secret sauce behind the Eagles' locker room. In between, the boys share authentic, behind-the-scenes football banter, family stories, and joyfully roast themselves and each other on everything from airplane parenting fails to all-time favorite snacks.

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Key Segments, Highlights & Notable Quotes

1. Weekend Recaps & Locker Room Vibes (03:00–18:00)

The Boys’ Weekends

• Will and Taylor recount action-packed weekends with family at college games (Vanderbilt, Michigan) and on the road. Will’s daughter conquers the Michigan cheerleader outfit saga; Taylor navigates toddler terror at mascots and legendary puke on the plane stories.

  • “She ain't about the mascot situation... The tiger tried coming up, but my daughter ain't about it. Just stoneface.” – Will (07:44)

• Parenting Real-World:

  • “This is great parenting, am I right? They’re like, any way to get it done.” – Taylor on handing the phone to his daughter during the game (14:23)

• Sweet concert stories (Dermot Kennedy at the Ryman), navigating fall weddings mid-NFL season, and what it takes to “brainwash” kids into college football fandom.

Classic Locker Room Vibes

• Squat battle stories, from Nebraska weight room legends to Taysom Hill’s 600-lb squat.
  • "Everybody was talking about how Taysom Hill could squat over 600 pounds… that is insane for him, all the positions he plays." – Will (03:46)

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2. Shoutouts, Pet Peeves, Comedy Runs (21:44–31:00)

• Shoutout to “Pilot Bob," the veteran Vietnam and Afghanistan pilot who keeps the boys feeling safe flying private, to legendary snacks (Gushers on a private plane), to real-life marriage/family scheduling gymnastics.

  • “He's one of those calm, stoic, older gentlemen that make you feel safe. ...Thirty thousand hours in the air.” – Taylor (22:21)
  • "Shoutout Gushers, man. Got my hands on some red Gushers... Gave Rue a pack, that's probably why she ended up throwing up." – Will (23:45)

• Pet Peeve of the Week: Kids kicking chairs on airplanes (52:22)

  • “It’s not the kid’s fault… but the mom’s just on her phone… honey, we gotta teach these kids things.” – Taylor
  • Hilarious run-in with a nonchalant dad: "He goes, I'm not sorry," and the boys crack up over the cultural/language barrier and the art of airplane diplomacy.

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3. Tear Talk & Listener Questions (31:30–39:17, scattered)

• Michigan vs. Nebraska (who’d win a civil war? Population vs. grit. “Easy dub, Michigan… arms race, cities are outnumbering.” – Taylor (31:58))
• Nostalgia for sick days, skipping school, GameBoy/TV rules, and the art of trying to fool your parents with sly tricks (including the famous "penny under the tongue" and fake sneezing for a day off).
  • “I had to put myself in a situation where somebody else was my alibi... I housed a bunch of applesauce and pretended to throw up in the shower so my brother could vouch for me.” – Will (39:29)
• Lessons in attendance heroics and the (sometimes brutal) discipline from their upbringings.

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4. Chad Powers Segment – Pop Culture Play (40:25–45:04)

• Hulu’s “Chad Powers,” based on Eli Manning’s disguised walk-on QB routine, beat Tennessee, major identity crisis vibes, and relatable “comeback story” humor that the crew obsesses over.
  • “He’s having this identity crisis, turmoil, bipolar type, multi-personality thing…” – Taylor (43:26)
  • Listeners: The boys give spoiler-free props to the writing and comedic payoff of the show.

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5. Fresh Set of Downs: Cade McConnell Feature (45:15–50:57)

• Fresh set of downs highlight on Vanderbilt’s Cade McConnell: from Minnesota transfer and summer intern at BWTB to one of the best guards in the country (Valedictorian, viral body bag blocks vs. LSU).
  • “[That play] is heady football… valedictorian football type s**t right here. That gets me juiced up because he’s violent… football porn.” – Taylor (46:19)
• Praise for his selfless work ethic (“no job too small, acts like he’s doing janitorial stuff then he’s out here pancaking SEC D-linemen”).

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Main Guest: Drew Brees (Starts 56:34)

Journey from Texas to Purdue to NFL

Early Adversity & Not Being "The Prototype" (57:34–66:13)

• Brees details his Texas sports background (baseball, basketball, then football) and considers quitting football entirely:
  • “I was starting B-team quarterback on the freshman team… my mom, I think I’m gonna quit football.” (58:50)
  • Mom’s wisdom: “You never know when your opportunity will come. Stick it out.” (59:30)
• Breakout after starter injures ACL; Brees faces same injury next year, missing critical recruitment period, labeled as not having “the measurables.”
  • “6 foot, 170 pounds… not the guy the recruiting coordinator’s going to go, ‘Hey, I got a gem for us.’” (62:10)

College Defining Moments (66:13–74:52)

• Purdue scholarship over Kentucky, inspired by Big Ten and academic profile.
• Early struggles with confidence, pivotal loss to Notre Dame (two interceptions), and dramatic bounce-back game.
  • “I'm riding the bus back to Purdue, staring at the cornfields... you have a choice: go in the tank or bow up, stiff upper lip, and show these guys what you're made of.” (71:19)
  • Followed up by a record-shattering performance vs. Minnesota (“31/36, 522 yards, 6 TDs…” (72:04))

NFL Shoulder Injury and Legendary Resilience (74:52–87:44)

• Drafted by Chargers, benched three times, then finally finds his groove. Dislocates shoulder in the last game of contract year.
• “I literally thought to myself, this is the last time I'm ever gonna put on a Chargers uniform. This may be the last time I ever play football again.” (76:52)
  • Dr. Andrews’ assessment: "You have so much swelling… let me get in there and figure it out. ...minimum 8 months. ...you have to learn how to throw again."
• Insurance Policy on career: “I could just take the $5 mil and walk… I was like, rip that thing up, man. I feel like God's got me. Even though this isn't the path I would've chosen, this is the one I'm on.” (79:46)
• Honest detail on rehab: “It was probably a result of having to literally rebuild the foundation for throwing again. …I came back so much stronger.” (81:17–82:59)

Saints Years, Legacy, and Coaching Youth

• Brees credits Tom Condon (agent), wife, and unwavering support (“I’d always regret if I didn’t make a run at it…”).
• Miami Dolphins and Saints were only two teams offering to let him compete for a starting job: “Only two that were coming after me as the starter.” (91:49)
• Process of experience building: “Any young player needs at least 40 to 50 high-level starts before you know what you have. …Rookies having early success, it’s the system and experience.” (93:18)

Coaching Philosophy, Football IQ, and Praise for Sproles (88:52–108:16)

• On coaching his kids: “It’s hard for a parent to coach your kids… but I try to be intense with my praise as I am with correction.” (89:18)
• On Bo Nix, Sean Payton, and QB evaluation: Emphasis on variety in play-calling and need for under-center experience even in today’s shotgun world. (98:11)
• On Sproles: “Darren Sproles was a generational player… would you want to cover Sproles out of the backfield? Good luck in open-field tackling him.” (106:34)
  • “That running back out of the backfield can ruin your day as a defense and as a DC.” (106:58)

Personal Wear and Tear, Life After Football

• “Now that I don't throw with my right arm anymore...I actually throw left-handed with my kids.” (104:07)
• “Still love to train… I want to do everything for as long as possible. ...prolong my prime.” (104:35)

Bud Light “Who You’d Share a Beer With” (112:53)

• “I’m gonna say Roger Staubach...one of my all-time favorites.” (113:10)

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Second Guest: Zack Baun (1:27:25)

Eagles, Adjustments, and Mindset

• Moves from special teams demon in New Orleans to All-Pro inside LB in Philly.
  • “Had two paths: could've stayed special teams, but I knew I could play… didn’t know what position until I was at the front door, shaking the LB coach’s hand.” (133:11)
• On team mindset:
  • “[Media] noise is a lot louder than the noise in the locker room. ...We’re winning games. Overall, we’re doing a pretty good job.” (129:30)
• On getting run over by Cam Skattebo:
  • “You watch on film, and you're like, damn, he runs hard, but you don't really know until you feel it yourself. ...That was a run across the field and get my ass smacked type play right there.” (128:22)
• On “tush push” and defensive response to media scrutiny, Giants rematch, and locker room culture.

Football Life, Athletic Background, and Personality

• High school 200m record (21.5 sec at 220 lbs).
  • “They never throw me in that conversation [of fastest], but I always need to get my respect. Like, I'm fast too, bro.” (134:14)
• Quarterback in high school: “I was really just a small town athlete, get it in his hands, I would drop back knowing I'm about to take off and run.” (134:28)
• Reflects on Wisconsin struggles: “We need to win some games... you think of Wisconsin, you think big linemen, run game. That’s not what I’m seeing now.” (135:58)

Eagles, Locker Room, and Fangio

• Praises Reed Blankenship (communication) and Cooper DeJean (dog).
• Describes DC Vic Fangio as “players coach, but hard nosed… all accountability.” (142:47)
• Hilarious “Jalen Carter gap responsibility” story:
  • “I’m like, you gotta be in your gap, come on. And he’s like, ‘Don’t tell me how to play football, bro!’ I’m like, ‘You know what, JC, you're right...I should've been in your gap!’” (144:00)
• Big Dom, the Eagles’ legendary figure: “He’s got all the little insights…intertwined with the Eagles and the whole city. Might be Sopranos.” (145:47)

Bud Light “Who You’d Share a Beer With” (146:36)

• “Darren Rizzi, special teams coordinator for the Broncos… I’d definitely have more than one Bud Light with him.” (147:00)

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Other Notable Moments & Quotes

• Football IQ and the difference between college and pros (esp. how Sean Payton coaches Bo Nix, situational awareness, and breakdowns on last-second field goals, laying on players, etc.)
• Recurrent jokes about the "All-White Team" and what it means to be eligible.
• The camaraderie, humility, and gratitude from both guests—underscoring the positive culture each carried with them from college ball to Sundays.

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Timestamps for Main Segments

• Weekend Recaps, Parenting, and Locker Room Stories: 03:00–18:00
• Shoutouts, Pet Peeves: 21:44–31:00
• Chad Powers (Pop culture segment): 40:25–45:04
• Cade McConnell “Fresh Set of Downs”: 45:15–50:57
• Drew Brees Interview: 56:34–1:17:00+
• Zack Baun Interview: 1:27:25+

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Final Thoughts

This episode is vintage Bussin’—hilarious, brutally honest, and deeply real about football as both a career and a metaphor for life. Drew Brees offers a blueprint for growth through adversity, while Zack Baun is a model of seizing opportunity and leading with humility. Along the way, the boys expertly balance depth with wild stories, keeping things fun yet meaningful for fans and athletes alike.

If you want the playbook, the scars, and the heart of football—plus some Dad Life comedy—this is a must-listen episode of Bussin’ With the Boys.

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Transcript

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[A]

Former teammate.

[B]

Former teammate of yours, Breeze. Yeah, yeah. Talk to me about your time with Drew.

[A]

With Drew Brees, we rock for a good. We had a strong 10 days, man. Yeah, there's a couple times after practice I go and try to make some conversation with him. He's taking some business calls. I was like, well, I'll catch you later. Yeah, we'll talk shop later.

[B]

But the effort was put in there.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, effort was put in there.

[B]

Quality.

[A]

Yeah. We enjoyed some hot. A couple hot tub moments. I had one with him and Tayson. I'm thinking Drew Brees and Taysom Hill.

[B]

You're in there.

[A]

Got a couple laughs. One of the. One of the days they were talking about, or we were talking about how Taysom Hill could squat like over £600, which is.

[B]

Did you see it?

[A]

Sane. I. I haven't got to see it because we were in. We were in. We were in training camp. You know what I mean?

[B]

Grinding.

[A]

Boys were grinding back into training camp too. But everybody was talking about how Taysom Hill could squat over 600 pounds. And I'm sitting there like that is. That is insane for him, all the positions he plays. JP said it maybe the greatest athlete, maybe the greatest football player, pure football player of all time. But the squat over 600 pounds is ridiculous.

[B]

Disgusting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is the origin story. These 10 days is when your back started, correct?

[A]

No, my back started. Raiders. Raiders. That was later that year. That was later that year.

[B]

So you're sitting there at the time thinking, man, I should put some weight on my back too. Take some hill. If you can do 600, I can at least do 300.

[A]

Yeah, I could get 300 at that time, easy. Maybe four. Yeah, I could get four.

[B]

If you time. If you were going and you did a full warm up, core engage the whole thing Dobson would do with the. The legs. How much do you think you could squat right now, today?

[A]

Oh, I wouldn't.

[B]

No. Okay.

[A]

Hypothetical saying I wouldn't. Like, I couldn't.

[B]

Yeah, because your back would be up the next day. I'm saying, like, totally warmed up. Hypothetical. What can your legs handle today?

[A]

135.

[B]

Once. 10 times.

[A]

Yeah, bro, like, my back hurts when there's a bar on my back. Like, I. It doesn't matter how warmed up I get, right? There is pain in my low back when there's a bar on my shoulders.

[B]

Okay. I'm Sorry for asking the question.

[A]

You kept trying to reword it like.

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I'm just super different world type of thing.

[A]

It hurts. I'm a goblet squatter. I hold a dumbbell in front of my chest.

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Hell yeah.

[A]

And that doesn't £70.

[B]

Oh, so you big dog stuff.

[A]

Yeah, some would. Yeah, some could say big dog. Some could say like, man, he's really fell off. Cuz in Nebraska I was over 500. I was an over 500 guy.

[B]

Now we are shooting the Bus with the Boys episode before their weekend recap. So we're not really into the whole Nebraska thing. We haven't got your thoughts on it. Should we wait?

[A]

No, it's just the weekend recap.

[B]

We're going to wait for people out.

[A]

Here that are listening right now. Obviously my weekend kicked off. Nebraska L on Friday night. You can check all that stuff out. We covered it on the. The football recap show that came out yesterday. We talk all things football on the recap show that drops on Mondays here. We're here for some more fun. Get some good interviews, talk some spooky stuff. Catch up on the old Chad Powers. Maybe some shout out. No free shout out. Some pet peeves. Feels been begging for those segments to come back. The tear talk we have going on. But yeah, how was. Let's start off. Let's go ahead and start. You want to start with my weekend? Your weekend, whatever.

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Go ahead.

[B]

You're already talking.

[A]

Listen, we all saw what happened Friday night. We talked about that yesterday. We're going to talk about it again.

[B]

And here we go again.

[A]

We ain't got to talk about it. We're all eyes on Northwestern.

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And we'll say this too. Could be a positive long term for Nebraska.

[A]

Yeah, right. I'm thinking about Northwestern.

[B]

Got you. So for us in on this bus, that's not thinking about Northwestern. Could be a positive, but talk about the weekend. Dude. Vandygame family. Great.

[A]

It was a. It was a great weekend. Weirdly weird. Fun, great all mixed together. Saturday we went to myself, Charo and Rue. We went to the Vandy game. We went to the Fall Don't Lie tour with Josh Pate. They were out there at Vanderbilt for Vandy, lsu. And I told you guys, I said this yesterday, but I've been, I've been telling everybody that LSU is a bunch of frauds and we got to see it in person. We got to see it in real time. Cade McConnell, that clip of Cade McConnell go around where he body bags a couple guys. But we had a lot of fun. Got to meet Josh Pate's wife, Savannah. Just a wonderful person. Had a lot of fun. Rue. She's still out on mascots. Doesn't with them. The tiger tried coming up and messing with her. I'm like, hey, is there a favorite little stuffed animals, a tiger. She calls him Tiger. And I'm like, hey, Tiger. He. There's. There's Tyggy's big brother right there. Like, he. He wants a high five and stuff like that. Rude. Just stone face. Like, just like, you know, slowly looks over at me like that. What am I supposed to do here? I'm like, hey, she ain't about it. She ain't about the. Yeah, she's not about the mascot situation. Yeah, yeah. You want to give him a high five. You know how you're like, demonstrating it in front of her. Like, hey, he's good people.

[B]

She's not having.

[A]

It wasn't about it.

[B]

And that is 100 my kid's fault that your child has that fear.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

The math.

[A]

She's scared of math. She's scared of mascots. Like, anything that's a little too big or demonstrative. She's not about it. The Michael Myers is really what tipped her over sideways on finding that mask back in the closet. And then, yeah, wind just popping up in front of her face with the mask on.

[B]

How to train your dragon mask just gets in her face and starts pushing it around. It was over. It was over from that moment. And yeah, we're. Will and I are sending them beanbags. I'm just like, kind of feel guilty. My child just ruined your child.

[A]

Ain't nothing you can do about that one. That's just kids being kids.

[B]

Right? Win's done it to her sister. She kind of just takes it in. We're all about the spookiness in this household. But go ahead.

[A]

We had a. We had a great day at Vanderbilt. Shout out to staff at Vanderbilt. They did a great job hosting us. We had awesome seats. We had some pregame field passes Sunday. Bill Compton is now married. My dad got married, so we made a. We made a trip out there. Saturday night, we had a stream. This was on Sunday. Saturday night, we had a stream. Tennessee, Alabama. I'm sure we'll get into that once we get the boys involved. But Sunday flew out. Old man got married, so got to make it, you know, got to go out there to Farmington, Bon Terre, Missouri, see some friendly faces, some. Some familiar faces. And then we flew back. Rupuked on the plane. That was abysmal. I'm Talking team America exorcism style.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

I almost started puking.

[B]

It smell.

[A]

Yeah, it was. She, she, she, like, she was like, lean back. And then she puked on herself. And we're like, it's okay. And then she just starts puking in the middle and it's everywhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know Charles trying to say, it's all right, sweetheart. I'm going, oh, my God.

[B]

This is couples retreat. When Vince Vaughn's with this kid and he poops in the toilet and he goes, we don't got to say nothing to the flight attendant. We, we know this was a bad deal.

[A]

Yeah, this one smells everywhere. It's brutal. Fly back that day and then take the wife. We go to a Dermot Kennedy concert. Any Dermot Kennedy fans on this bus?

[D]

I know, like, I know of him.

[A]

Great artist. Oh, hang on. I'm pretty sure one of the first times we met, you were like, of course. You were trying to clown on me. And you were playing your music. You were like, I bet this is the type of you like. And you turned on Dermot Kennedy. He stays on the playlist. He's good. Charles obsessed with Dermot Kennedy. I've always liked their mot and getting to watch him in person. It was, it was all time. Very powerful, very powerful voice at the Ryman.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

He started to do some, you know, where they'll like take the mic away and he's just singing to the crowd, like both of the artists. The guy who covered for him halfway or did not, the guy who went out, who opened for him, not covered for him, open for him. Both of them did like the acoustic version where they're singing to the crowd. Very intimate. It was awesome. He's awesome. Dermot Kennedy was awesome. And so, yeah, very jam packed weekend. Very fun weekend. All in all. 4.5.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. Not bad, not bad. My weekend, phenomenal. Obviously, we do the stream Thursday night. Wake up real early. Last year, before the Northwestern game, I took win to a mission game, her first mission game. We did the whole thing. Like it's a. It's a true brainwashing experience when you do it with your children because it's like you land. There's no no's on the weekend. It's, you want candy? Go ahead. Yes. We go to Benny's. Benny's there. He's like Albanian or something, but he's all about letting the kids do. He's like got the kids in the back room, like making their own pancakes, making their own hot chocolate. He's just Bringing out food over and over again. He's bringing out like shots of like scotch that he's got in the back. It's like, this is a diner, Denny. Like, Benny, what are we doing? So the same thing takes place this weekend. Willow is juiced up like five, six days before. I'm showing her all the things we're gonna do. I'm pulling up photos of the m den. I'm pulling up photos of the diag. All that, like the central campus area. And she's like, can't sleep two nights before. Can't sleep the night before. We get on the plane, she's fired up, just me and her. And we land. Dave is. Was essentially our chauffeur for the entire weekend. We go in. The first place we go to is Benny's. Get right there. You guys all been there. We go around the corner. Yeah. Sit in that back booth. Benny's got Willow making her own hot, hot chocolate. He brings out pancakes, brings out hot dogs, Brings out this little cheese plate that he sets on fire in front of Willow. Like it's a five star, michelin, Michelin star restaurant. And it was awesome. Willow stuffs her face. Then we go to the end and Willow was. When I'm looking at showing her the mden photos earlier in the week, she sees a cheerleading outfit. And she is gassed up on the cheerleading of it. She like, she wants it. She needs it as bad as she wants to breathe. So we get there, they don't have her size. And it's like we've gotten the stuffed animals. We got mama mug, we got sissy a mug. We got keychains. We got the whole thing. Like everything's Michigan Wolverine. But if we don't get this cheerleading outfit, essentially this weekend is ruined. We go in the back, some guy helps us out. We. We sift through, we find the 7 and 8. We get this onesie dress thing that is. That is like the cheerleading outfit. She is over the moon immediately as soon as we buy it. Can I wear it? Can I wear it? It's like, let's just wait till tomorrow because it was kind of chilly. And I'm thinking, I don't think. I don't think Willow's going to be able to wear this during the game and not be freezing. Turns out it was 75 degrees. It was absolutely beautiful. After that, Pat Collins, friend of us, we go to his house, do s'. Mores. We do a little bonfire. We got spooky stuff everywhere. We got seasonal beverages. Very nice, intimate, like spooky his wife, both kids, Willow. It was awesome. Bags of candy. And then the next day, get the outfit on. I'm looking at the weather. It's a. Yeah, it's going to be good. Willow does not care about watching the football game at all. Could not care less. We're on the sideline. She's asking me where the cheerleaders. Like, when are the cheerleaders gonna be here?

[A]

Gotta go get the flake.

[B]

Yeah. And so we got a bunch of photos. First cheerleaders pop up. I'm like, guys, can you please take a photo of my daughter? That give her the pom poms are very sweet to her. Willow is grinning ear to ear on it. And as we're going around to get our seats, some staffer, because Willow's under 18, obviously, like, hey, she can't be down here if she's under 18. So you need to go to your seats. While we're going there, staffers, see some more cheerleaders. Willows, like, we're not going anywhere to get photos with these guys as well. Get the photo done, get up in the stands. We end up sitting in, like, gen pop area, which is. The view is nice because we're like, 25 rows back, so I can see the whole field. I can see what kind of personnel we're in. I'm, like, dialed in. Problem is, a lot of people want to get photos. Want to talk about anything other than Michigan football, really, that's going on. Anything else?

[A]

With Willow there?

[B]

With Willow there, they're trying to get photos. I'm like, all right, well, you'll stand by grandpa for a second.

[A]

Small people would like. You know what I mean? Like, kind of see. Kind of be like, hey, just quick photo. I agree what you do. And with your daughter, 80% of the.

[B]

People were very aware of. Well, hey, I know you're with your family. You mind if I get a quick photo? And I get the quick photo, like, so, man. Espn, huh? Yeah, man. It's sick. We have a lot of fun. We go to the expert. So, man, how is Will doing? Is he dead? It's like, yeah, I think. I think he's gonna be right. Text him last night, he didn't te back. But I know that's the sad right now, you know? So, like, those are the conversations taking place. Then it's like, I'm sitting in these stands, and I'm trying to watch a football game. Willow wants a pretzel. Great. We'll get a pretzel. Willow wants popcorn. Grandpa will take you to get some popcorn. Like you guys will dial it in. Finally, I sit there and I take my phone. I'm like, you want to play some? You want to look at daddy's photos on his camera? And I had to give her. I had to put the phone on her so I could watch the game. Look back at these. This older couple. I'm like, this is great parenting. Am I right? They're like, any way to get it done? And we watched the game the first half. I mean, we broke it all down in the weekend recap. But overall, 4.5, man.

[A]

Sunday, 4.5.

[B]

Yeah. Sunday I get home. We get home Saturday night. Do we do the stream Sunday, Taylor has for nature at Nurture. She has, like, this farmer's market, and she takes the kids. Does, like, you know, child labor laws. We probably get CNS called on us. She has them dishing out seeds to everybody. And the kids sold, like, 200 in seeds. So, yeah.

[A]

Yeah, you're good.

[B]

Well, Taylor texted me. She's like, I just told the kids to take these seeds and ask people to buy them. And it worked. Sold out. Sold out of the seeds. So shout out Taylon and her business savvy.

[A]

Yeah, we're not really selling any seeds. You know what? We got to activate the kiddos, right?

[B]

Activate.

[A]

Get out there. Start going. Go ask. Go ask adults to buy them. They won't say no to you, dude.

[B]

When I was 8, my mom used to work at this place called Harold's in Cave Creek, and she wanted to teach me the value of a dollar. So I bus boyed with her for a day. Made like $200 in that day. Just sat there and talked to the older people. So in the middle of winter, so all the snowbirds were there. Didn't understand the value. After that, I was like, money's easy. Money's a joke, dude.

[C]

This is the easiest thing in the.

[B]

World to get eight years old. My mom's like, God damn it. But, yeah, man. Awesome weekend. Next weekend, first time ever, kids are going to Disney World.

[A]

That'll be fun.

[B]

Going to Disney World next Friday.

[A]

Spooky season.

[B]

Yeah, we're doing the same thing. We did it. We got the. The tour guide for the, like, at the Pro bowl, where it's like they kind of. You get to hop. There's, like, the fast pass above the fast pass. That's above the fast pass thing. And then we got Mickey Mouse's. Not so spooky. Halloween kids are. I'm so excited. I might be more excited than them. They don't understand what they're about to see. It's gonna be awesome. So action packed.

[A]

Spooktober core memory weekend. Loading.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Absolutely. Two for Willow in a row. We're getting on the plane to go back. She's like, when can we come back to Michigan? And then she kept saying this to me. She's like, it's a miracle Michigan won. What do you mean? She's like, I just can't believe we won. I'm like, all right, Willow. But we get home and win. Wanted to re watch the game to highlight. So we put it up on the YouTube TV. Like, kids are dialed right now.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

The. Yeah, we're definitely brainwashing the out of them right now. It's all. Yeah, it's going exactly how we want. Sure. Going exactly how you want.

[A]

I might have to make I just. Until the opportunity comes. Like rude. Now has been two years in a row to Vandy games. Vandy dubs. Wait, was it a dub last year against Texas. A close loss. Close loss. That's right.

[B]

Competitive ball games in Vandy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Diego Pavia, her favorite player. Cade McConnell.

[A]

Yeah, Cade McConnell for sure. Kate, I hated. You know, I know he listens to all of our stuff, so I know he's listening right now, but we were bummed we didn't get a flick. Well, I was in on the end zone side, but it was LSU and we kind of got there 15 minutes before Cade was. Hit me up after. He's like, bro, I literally. He's like, I looked everywhere and I couldn't find you. And I was. I kind of told him. He said, they told me you're going to be on the newly renovated. And I was like, no, I was on the OG and he's like, I probably looked like an insane person going around. He's like, after we won the game where we, like, scored a touchdown, he's like, I'm going up and looking around everywhere to see if we can. I can find you because I knew you were bringing the fam.

[B]

Damn.

[A]

I know. I said, don't worry. We'll come do another game, bro. We got to get lied to his face. What about what? Going to another game. We could probably make another game. They got a couple more. They got some more. They got game day this weekend. One of my best friends, Brad LeBron. You guys know the Biscuit? He's getting married. Yeah. Shout out, Brad. But also. But also, yeah, Football season wedding. And it's on Sunday and it's in New York. Yes, bro. Listen, it's his day. They should be selfish. But what a selfish brick move. I feel like you've been screwed on a lot of Sunday weddings. Yes, bro. I mean, this will be two in a row. Yeah. I kind of tell my old man, like, hey, listen, I get it, but.

[B]

You.

[A]

I ain't want to come to this on a Sunday. Yeah, on a Sunday. I'm missing some football right now, dude.

[B]

I know. Everyone's always talks about the weather. It's like spring has the same thing. They got the same weather.

[A]

Fall is super nice. It's just in the Missouri one. Didn't. Didn't bother me as. As much because it's. It's close. But New York, when you're, you know, you're from Missouri, I guess she's out from the Northeast. But Jesus, why are we doing it out in New York? And they got married. They got engaged and stuff not too long ago. Like, they put it together fast.

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[B]

Brad Lebron. You have it himself. A wedding in Salem, New York.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Pretty incredible. Love. Love, Brad.

[A]

Love.

[B]

Great guy.

[A]

The Biscuit.

[B]

He shot me a text would came, blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to be able to make it. Disney World. Disney World. Disney World. Will and I sat in the plane. I was like, I kind of feel bad. I'm not gonna make. You ain't gotta go. And he's like, pissed off about you ain't got to go. That's like, one of my best friends. I have to go. Selfish of Brad.

[A]

Well, it was More. Yeah, I did say that. But I'm also thinking, like, yeah, in your situation, I wouldn't. I wouldn't go.

[B]

I do love Brad, though, and I know that, like, I know Brad's personality. And so, like, I just would. I know that the next time I see Brad, he's gonna say something the next time and the next time and the next time. It'll follow me for a few years.

[A]

Yeah. 100.

[B]

And I just think, like, yeah, I'm gonna. With those bullets because my family and I were going to go to Disney World.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Great guy. I'll get him a g. I probably won't get him a gift, but I'll text him. Hey, congratulations on your. On your marriage. That's amazing.

[A]

Should we get into tear talk? Do we want shout outs? Pet peeves where we want to go?

[B]

Let's bring back Shout out real quick.

[A]

Shout out. No free Shout out.

[B]

Yeah, I. Do you mind?

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

Shout out. No free Shout out. Pilot Bob. Shout out. No free Shout out. Pilots that you think no matter what happens, I'm safe. The pilot we had from being a to Titoboro. Thank you. Thank you, Flyhouse and JJ at Flyhouse. This guy gets on. He's older. He's probably, what, in the 70s?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's got over 30,000 hours of flying. I think he was in Vietnam.

[A]

Two tours in Vietnam, four tours in Afghanistan.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

And he's just generational flight talks to us.

[B]

He's one of those calm, stoic, like, you know, older gentlemen that just like, make you feel safe no matter what we get done. We fly in a Titoboro. It goes a little windy out there. But now. Now the. The risky part happens. You guys have to drive. Like, he just knows, like, flying. He is. It does not matter what happens on that airplane. He's going to take care of business when we get back, dude, he's like, hey, glad to have you guys back. He starts showing me his mother was a World War II pilot. She was one of the only women World War II pilots who would take bombs and try to take out submarines and fly, like, really low. She's like, she's. This is the only woman pilot to do this, like, medal of honor type stuff. Like, it was. This is. As we're getting on the flight to come back to Nashville. And so you sit there and I always usually fall asleep on flights anyway, but there's always a PCU that's like, what if. And then you're like, no, I'm not gonna go there. And you go to sleep. This was One of those things where I took the blanket, put it over my head and knocked out for pretty much the entire flight.

[C]

You said he has 30, 000 hours.

[B]

He said he. Yeah. Because I remember saying, you know, you're an outlier three times over. And he's like, yeah, that.

[C]

That's over three years of life of.

[B]

Yeah. That's just.

[A]

He gets after in the air.

[B]

He loves being in the air. You could tell when we're on ground. It's like you see someone with their sea legs. He wouldn't really. He doesn't. He's got air legs.

[C]

He spent three. He's like spent three years of his life in air.

[B]

Which isn't that crazy? Just crazy.

[A]

Shout out. No free shout out Gushers, man.

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Got my hands on some red gushers yesterday. I kind of saw them. I kind of saw him. I gave rua pac. Actually. I. I think that's probably why she ended up throwing up. But I was like, hey, Rue, this is one of dead ass favorite snacks back in the day. We got you some gushers. Go ahead and try out some of those. So shout out. Shout out Gushers. Shout out. No free shout out.

[B]

Where'd you get your hands on some gushers at this wedding?

[A]

Were they so just on the plane? They had snacks on the plane and.

[B]

They had some gushers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What a plane.

[A]

What airline Flyhouse.

[B]

You foo flat house.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

God damn, that's beautiful.

[A]

The only way to make it like we had the stream on Saturday night. We had. We were having. We don't have child care, so we had to take the kids with us. If you're flying in From Nashville to St. Louis, it was going to be. That's an hour away from where the wedding would be. The flights didn't work on flying out the morning of without like. Without like a connecting flight.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like we. You got to take both kids with you.

[B]

Right? 4.

[A]

And we needed to get back for the Dumont Kennedy concert that we had booked forever. Charlie wanted to go to London in the summer. We just couldn't make it happen. She's actually going to London this week with Rue on a mother daughter trip. They're going for like five days in London.

[B]

They.

[A]

They leave. We're recording on Monday. They leave tonight. But we were going to go to London and see Dirmont Kennedy in London. And since we couldn't make that work, I'm looking on my phone to see if he comes through Nashville at all. Just so happens he Was coming to the Ryman, you know, at that point in the summer, he was coming to Ryman in October. I got those tickets. Wedding thing happened. Didn't want to break my wife's heart by being like, we can't go to Dirmont Kennedy. Because I was like, we will go to Dirmont Kennedy if we don't go to London. Because I was like trying not to go to London for 72 hours. I'm like, sweetheart, listen, that is crazy.

[B]

To go somewhere for 72 hours.

[A]

Yeah. I'm like, I know it'd be fun. I'm just the two of us, yada yada. But like, come on, we can, we can, we can do something closer. So that way we get more time at said place.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Than spending half the time in the air.

[B]

That's 16 hours in the air.

[A]

So then when I was in that kind of pickle, just had to make it happen. Fly. I hit up clump. I was like, hey, can you see what. Can I get a couple quotes for like just a day trip in and out because, you know, go to the wedding, I'm pumped for my dad, but there's, you know, Willie boy's going through his own journey with this process and everything else. I want to get back so I can still go to the concert. Couldn't leave that night up because we had the stream. Tennessee, Alabama. So kind of caught in a pickle. Problem solved. Shout out.

[C]

Gushers.

[A]

Shout out.

[B]

That is how nice.

[A]

It was shaky because it was very windy yesterday. We were on a turbo prop. Is that what it's called, Turbo?

[B]

You were on a beachcraft?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was shaky. It was dicey, buddy. When I char was down, going down like a WebMD wormhole, like, she was looking up these pilots, the experience. And I'm like, WebMD pilots is crazy.

[B]

What a disease do these pilots have. But just going down gbt, I'm with you.

[A]

Going down that snake hole of like, what's the risk? And the 30 mile an hour winds because there were gusts yesterday it was raining and gusts were happening in Nashville. A lot of wind and gusts in Missouri where we were going. She's like, do you feel confident? I was like, yeah, I feel confident.

[B]

We took a.

[A]

We took a small little plane from here to Notre Dame. Snow and everything. It was snow and everything else, dude.

[B]

That say I might have been the same time of year when I came to see you in Missouri a few years back and I was on that flight.

[A]

And then because that little airport, they can't you can't. You have to take a small plane.

[B]

You have to take a small plane. And the dude on the way back, I'm getting thrown over here, but I'm the only guy on the plane. I'm like, this is exactly when people die. Yeah. This is on 100% when people go down. Yeah.

[A]

No bags.

[B]

Just like, I got to get back to Nashville because of I still playing football at the time. And the dude looks back and gives me the thumbs up. I'm like, I guess we're straight.

[A]

And you look out the window, and it is moving, like, as we're landing. Landing in Missouri. Like, it's moving and going a little sideways to where I'm staying poised. But internally, I'm like, all right. Because my Charles over there, breathing, like, all this stuff. She's like, we're taking our entire family, and we're gonna be on small plane. She's getting super nervous. I'm like, we got only a couple options, sweetheart. Like, we're either on the plane, and we all go. You can stay home. I truly. It doesn't bother me. And I can just go by myself. I know you're probably thinking in your head, well, what if you die? And then we're all. Because I'm thinking we're all go down as a family. At least we all go down as a family.

[B]

Yeah. I was gonna say that might be kind of a win, right? Or these kids are kind of young. That's really sad. But, like, both parents.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Why don't we all just take the. Take the drink together, you know, Take the coolie together and just fucking get out of here, you know?

[A]

Or we cancel it, and we gotta spend, you know, 10, 12 hours in a car, and we're gonna have to drive to the wedding, and we're missing Dermot Kennedy on the way home.

[B]

And that was the first deciding factor.

[A]

I didn't have to go.

[B]

Was willing to risk death.

[A]

I didn't have to go there. I didn't have to lay out those options. I. Fortunately, it's like, we got connected. I'm breaking stuff down. I'm like, hey, I'm telling you, we're going to be all right. But even right when we took off from Nashville, because it was raining, it was starting to rain pretty good, and the wind was going right when we took off, and the. The wheels, like, got, like, right off the ground or that spot where it was just about to lift. You, like. Like, felt the jerk sideways. Oh, no. And Charles got Scotty attached to her, and she Had. Her eyes are just closed, and she's just breathing. Rue's going wee.

[B]

It's so funny. We do. When Willow and I took off, we flew Delta. When we took off to go to Detroit, I had the thing down. Everybody had their, like, shades down or whatever. The window shades, and we're taking off, and Will was like, are we gonna leave yet? I'm like, we're like, 30 minutes into the flapping. Honey, we're in the issue right back on the iPad, I was like, all right. Hell, yeah. Does Charl get scared flying?

[A]

No, she just gets. It's the whole family dynamic thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She just. She'll get in her head about the. The family, and then the. The small plane. And then she sees the two years. She's like, they've only been. You know, this pilot graduated in 2023. This one graduated in 2021. Like, this is our very first flight. They sent all the stuff. I will text me in the morning, and I just start feeling, like, instantly like my morning was ruined because I'm worried for him, knowing that they're worried because it's a. And then the guy texted. He's like, it might be a little bumpy when they take off. All I'm thinking is your wife sitting.

[B]

There closing her eyes. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Because it's her. It's like their first flight, and it's like, you know, on the small plane and everything else, I'm like, we're gonna. It's gonna be easy. And we're. It's like Jurassic Park.

[B]

And when you get done, though, it feels kind of dope, huh?

[A]

Oh, absolutely.

[B]

There's like, a PCU that's, like, trying to survive something crazy just now. It is wild. You want Flyhouse to Brad's wedding?

[A]

No, no, we're going. We fly out the early flight on Saturday morning.

[B]

Oh, nice. So you can get a full 24 hours there.

[A]

Yeah, we can. We can spend some time there.

[B]

That'd be nice. It's just you and Charles going.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So Charles going today. We're filming on Monday. She's flying out to London, spending five days there. So she gets back Friday, Friday, and then she's gonna get on plane Saturday. Yep. That's rock star. Yeah, that is rock star shit.

[A]

And a positive, too, about it being in spot, because I know I bitched a lot about this wedding in New York and everything. El. At Sleepy Hollow.

[B]

Sleepy Hollow. I said, salem, you're. Dude, that does gas me up for you. You got to do something fun and spooky.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I mean you just got to walk around.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Sleepy Hollow.

[D]

Where?

[B]

Sleepy Hollow.

[A]

Headless horseman.

[B]

That's great. You got to take a lot of. Send me some photos.

[A]

I got you. Yeah, I got you.

[B]

Just that to some spooked over stuff. Let's get some tear talk, dude. This is from Tom at Tom Rinet. Hashtag tear talk. If the states of Michigan and Nebraska went to war with each other, who would win and why?

[A]

If the states of Michigan, Nebraska went to war.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't know what's the pop there? I would think I would lean heavy Nebraska. Just the blue collar, the gouret and spit the farmers out there.

[B]

I'm going to go easy Dub, Michigan, Detroit. Yeah, Detroit. Flint. Like you need to talk about blue collar cats like this go up to the up like those people are survivors up there. Like that's basically Canada.

[A]

You're winning the arms race.

[B]

Race.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. We're winning the arms race.

[A]

Yeah. There's some pockets now in Omaha.

[B]

Like and also is this, is this a neutral site? Like everyone just meets up in like Minnesota and we go toes or do we have to like go to Nebraska? Is it an away game in away war? Because if that's the case too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You bring up those cities like we're, we're just. We're insanely outnumbered.

[B]

Insanely. He's have to look at the population. I'm thinking you're fucking dead. Detroit. Done. And also like we go to Nebraska, it might have to be like Revolutionary war style where it's like everyone. You're gonna see each other 15 miles away. Yeah. We might as well just line them up, get some muskets in our hand and get a little drummer boy and get going.

[A]

After some guerrilla tactics going on in Nebraska. You come, you come to Nebraska.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Trench warfare.

[A]

You have to win a different way.

[B]

Okay, let's get to. And wait. So you, you're thinking Nebraska still?

[A]

No.

[B]

I missed Andrew at a/hilliard 11 I want to hear the boys thoughts on things you kind of like about a sick day, staying home from school, watching the prices. Right. Or things of that nature. Let's have a hell of a Monday boys. Hashtag tear talk. Yeah.

[C]

I was never allowed to stay home from school.

[D]

I'd be going to school with have.

[C]

Diarrhea if I had strep throat.

[D]

I'm at school. I was just, I was the kid.

[C]

Getting every other kid sick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Can I, can I feel that too, bro? My mom wouldn't. Anytime I go and then I'd be sick. And I go to the nurse or whatever, and she's like, gotta call your mom. My mom comes in. She's almost pissed off at me.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

She's like, you just work the system to go home. And I'm thinking, I. I feel sick. And she's like, you. You're going to school. Or if it's bad, they got to take me because I have a fever. My mom would be tight going home.

[C]

My.

[D]

My mom.

[A]

And you ain't playing your Game Boy? Yeah, I'll be trying to. I got to go take a shit. I'm sitting on the toilet trying to play the Game Boy. Trying to play some Pokemon. Got to catch them.

[B]

Oh, gotta catch them all.

[C]

My mom and dad would be, like, pissed if I like, oh, you're waiting until this weekend to go to the doctor, dude.

[B]

Yeah, the parents, if they don't believe that you're sick, they put you in hell. You're. No. No tv, no nothing. And it's the. Hey, if you're really sick, you should really rest. So just go in your room and lay there.

[A]

Yeah, some parents. I got some buddies now that they be. It'd be like, sniffles, and they're staying home. And anytime I'd hear, oh, Chuck isn't here today. I just have one of them eye roll like that. That dude ain't sick. Oh, he's Kid home, too. Like, Kid was our boy, too. That, like, lived with Chuck. But it's like we were all just friends. Like, they weren't brothers, nothing. He just. He was just living with Chuck at the time. And they'd be like, both of them were sick. It's like they're at home right now playing 2K basketball.

[B]

100.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

Background.

[B]

Yeah, that is. Yeah. You know, you. Everyone had those friends that, when they weren't there, you're like, I know this. Having the best day.

[A]

And his name was Kid. Kid feels. I gave him that. Nick. I gave him that nickname in middle school. J.J. kid. He loved J.J. kid. He'd wear, like, wristbands around his calf with shorts. I loved him.

[B]

I loved him. Hey, this might not be a popular take. Two Ds. I hated missing school. Was never good in school, but hated.

[C]

So boring, buddy.

[B]

It's boring. And, like, all. All your friends are there. So when I see. With these kids, it'd be more like high school. Like, these kids, you'd be like, I'm skipping class. I'm going. I'm like. I'm thinking, bro, I want to go to class. It's cute girls in there. My boys are in this class. Like, I want to, like, be around. I want to be around.

[A]

I always want to get the. I always wanted to get the 97, 98 attendance rate, go on the field trip at the end of the year, get an award.

[B]

We never had that.

[C]

Never had that shit.

[D]

I would have been in there every year.

[B]

Yeah, every year with the sniffles.

[C]

We had a.

[B]

We had a girl at our high school graduation. She was also our valedictorian.

[A]

Lainey Anderson. Shout out, Lainey. Perfect attendance all the way K through 12.

[B]

No way. K through 12. It was the first time in our, like, school's history. First time in American history. But truly, they have this whole plaque and everything. There's, like, doctor's appointments that you could.

[A]

Like, miss, like, a class, and it still counted.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Of a full day. But she made it past, like, five.

[B]

Periods at least every single day, which is crazy. That is nuts.

[A]

That tip of the cap to her.

[B]

Tip of the cap, yeah, tip of the cap. Tip of the cap, yeah.

[A]

The whole sickness thing.

[D]

How are you gonna be if.

[C]

How are you gonna be if.

[D]

When Rue and Scotty are come up.

[C]

To you, like, dad, I don't feel good. Like, my stomach hurts.

[A]

Oh, they'll go to school. Rue didn't have the fever symptoms, but Rue had hand, mouth, foot, and her ass was at school, which was, like, checking with the teachers and everything else.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

There is. There is a thing too. Like, you check with the teachers, and there's a level of. They're not contagious if they don't have a fever and they don't have, like, sores in their mouth, they just kind of have the. The reaction of it. Scotty had the fever and everything else. Rude. Just kind of had. Had, like, the dots and stuff on her foot and everything else, but they were, like, already scabbed, and that's, like, a sign that she's not contagious. So it's like, we checked with the teachers, but it was also one of those things. Like, I saw Charlotte. I was like, well, she needs a. She needs to go to school. She's feeling fine. I'm like, I'm with you. But this. It kind of looks weird. Kind of looks like a bit of a deal. And she's like, put shoes on and everything else. And that's where I'm like, okay, we're. We're on the same page. I just need more of a push because I'm like, this seems like it could be a deal. And once I drive and drop her off, I'm like asking the teachers and everything else and everything was all solid. But they'll go to, they'll. Yeah, they'll, they'll go to school.

[C]

Putting your foot down like, no.

[A]

Yeah, it's just, it's, you know, how you going to show up every day? Like this is, this is a discipline and a principle that you embody and you have to establish when they're little. Because I know that's how, that's how my parents were with me. Like there wasn't a, there was no getting out of, you know, trying to be sick or anything else. There were times where you're absolutely dog sick and you just can't go to school. But yeah, as long as, as long as they're not like running a fever and everything else. Like if you're feeling bad, it's like, okay, if you got like a little cold, like to me you're going to school.

[B]

Well, we got to be in the hundreds before that conversation takes place of like, do they miss school? Oh, of a fever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, big time.

[A]

I, same by my mom would do anything she could to get me to.

[B]

School of like, I had to be.

[A]

Actively vomiting or have like a one on one fever.

[B]

So bro, one time guys, when I was like younger, probably nine or something like that, I did not want to go to school one day and I tried to play sick. Didn't have the fever. Heard about the penny thing under the tongue. Tried that, didn't work. That night I took one of those little green like army soldiers with the little musket and it had like the little point to it and I kept putting into my nose and tickling the back of my nose and sneezed and I kept sneezing and sneezing and sneezing to where my mom came in like, let's just call it an hour later and she's like, hey, you're not going to school tomorrow. Like, it sounds like you're really having a hard time. I'm having a really tough time. Didn't sneeze the rest of the night because it went right to sleep right after that. They had to know.

[A]

Yeah, bro, I would.

[B]

They had to know I was lying. Yeah, I got that. I had that thing like touching my brain at some point. My eyes are like welting up while I'm like, I gotta get out. Had no idea why I wanted to get out of school. You were doing the COVID test before the. Oh yeah, Exactly. I was in the OG One, the one they take a hard right turn.

[A]

I feel like a sneeze is so easy to fake.

[B]

I just love that you're like, no.

[A]

We'Re getting the real.

[B]

Yeah. I was like water pouring out of my eyes, and it was just like, one side to my right side of my face was just, like, all red. The other side's, like, totally fine.

[A]

I had to put myself in a situation where it's like, I couldn't. I needed somebody else to be my, like, my alibi. And so after dinner one night, I'm like, I'm gonna take a shower. Why? It was, you know, White's, like, six years younger than me, but he's young enough to where he's showering. It's like, all right, you guys, you help White shower everything else, and I house a bunch of applesauce in my mouth, and I kind of hold it to where we're showering, and I just pretend to throw up all over the shower so that way, White could leave the shower and be like, oh, yeah, Will was. Will was throwing up. And I can kind of milk it a little bit like those were.

[B]

And it goes in the drain, too, which is genius.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. To where she can't check it. All she has to do is trust White and kind of going off body language. Wyatt's young enough. He doesn't know true acting skills.

[B]

Yeah, that is elite. Elite.

[A]

Do we have more tear talk, Sherm?

[B]

We do, but just because of time.

[A]

We'Re thinking we may kick it to Chad Powers. Okay.

[B]

Some interviews. All right, let's kick it to Chad Powers real quick. Oh, Chad Powers. Eight years after flushing his promising college football career down the toilet, hot shot quarterback Russ Holiday tries to resurrect his dreams by disguising himself as. Chad Power is a talented oddball who walks on a struggling South Carolina. South Georgia catfish. Bay Catfish. South Georgia Catfish. Based on Eli Manning's Eli's Places segment from ESPN and Omaha Productions, this comedy event will take viewers by surprise with a comeback story that everyone can relate to. Chad Powers is now streaming with new episodes Tuesday on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Listen, have we. Have you seen the latest episode?

[A]

Have not.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I am. I am fired up, though, that, like, we were streaming too, and you saw a couple comments in the live chat being like, yo, Chad Powers is actually really good. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's. It's tough to oversell it, but we genuinely feel like this is a good show.

[B]

We. Yeah, this show is genuinely good. So after they play Tennessee, they beat Tennessee. The last episode that came out was the Spooky. They go to Spirit Halloween. He loses all the stuff. They have to go. Russ Holiday gets a gun and they end up finding all the stuff on the floor. They end up getting back to the hotel where he sees the girl. What's the girl's name again?

[A]

Ricky.

[B]

Ricky. Don't know why I always forget that. Ricky. Ricky and Russ Holiday, not Chad Power, see each other at the elevator. And Ricky's like, oh, know who you are, blah, blah. They go back and forth where you see like one of his little lingering at the elevator for a minute as she's coming up to do bed checks. He runs up. They end up getting saved. That next day, they beat the Tennessee Volunteers. So this next episode that takes place, they are 5, 0. They're ranked like top 10 in the country or something like that. And College Game day is trying to do a, like, interview, like a feature, a featured piece on Chad Powers to where Chad's like, you know, having a really hard time. He's throwing up during it. It's, it's. It's a whole deal. A whole deal.

[A]

One of the top quotes, remember we said, like, the wolves was a great one. Yeah, yeah. They're like. Who's like, really influenced you. And he just looks.

[B]

He's like Benjamin Franklin. So good. They talk him into it. You see Ricky starting to like Chad Powers a little bit. But does Ricky like Chad Powers if she knows he's Russ Holiday? It's a whole back and forth, man. They have a nice little moment while they're watching film together. Great show. Well done show. Chad Powers. Russ Holiday decides to himself in this show, which we don't see any further down at that. The only reason why bad things happen to Russ Holiday is because he's Russ Holiday. If he's always Chad Powers. From here on out, it seems like only good things happen to Chad Powers. So he's essentially saying, I'm no longer Russ Holiday. Chad Powers is who I am. He's even looking up, like, how to get plastic surgery to change his face look like that forever.

[D]

Oh.

[B]

And so now he's having this identity crisis, turmoil, bipolar type, multi personality thing that's taking place back and forth.

[A]

Oh, I love that.

[B]

So it's gonna. It's a. It's fun. There is a crazy wrinkle in this episode.

[A]

We won't spoil it. Yeah, don't, don't spoil. Don't spoil even, Even Taylor talking About that right there. I'm not, I'm not saying that's a spoiler, but I'm just thinking in my head, like the writers, what a platform and stage for these writers to like, make something out of something that again. And we'll say it again, people felt like it was half like beating a dead horse with the Chad Powers, Eli Manning stuff. And it's like, what is this? What is this Hulu show? And it's honestly, it's a good show.

[B]

Delete that highlighted thing so Will doesn't see it.

[A]

Okay. Yes, yes. Delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete, delete.

[B]

Because body, I forgot about that. Here's the second Russ Holiday takes somebody down, I'll say that takes down a broad at the ball. That's all I'm going to say.

[A]

Here's the segment that we do have from the show. It's called a fresh set of downs segment where we spot where we spotlight one transfer portal player, current or past, who wasn't playing ball well or was buried on the depth chart and all they needed was a fresh set of downs in order to spark their redemption story and turn their college careers around. This week's fresh set of downs segment, player of the week is Cade McConnell, Vanderbilt offensive lineman, the left guard, friend of the show. Friend of the show, friend of the frame franchise was the number 10 player in Oklahoma. Valedictorian in high school, went to Minnesota. Originally transferred from Minnesota to Vandy and he's one of the best offensive guards in the country. We have a little clip that we can show you where he is body bagging LSU tigers. Cade McConnell was also summer intern for busing with the boys.

[B]

Yeah, summer Internet bus with the boys.

[A]

Probably it's your first time seeing him.

[B]

Mitch probably was a beneath him. Internship, valedictorian, the whole thing. No disrespect to all of us, but also disrespect to all of us.

[A]

Kate is kind of the one who helped catapult the entire internship program operation. Yeah, because he was dming us, but he was dming Sherm. To where Sherm kind of had like, hey, I see that there's this. There's this old lineman at Vanderbilt. He's been talking about me about an internship like he needs a certain credit or something like that. Could be fun because he plays college football. He's at Vanderbilt. They had a good year last year. They could be tough this year. Dude seems like he would love to be for the brand. Says he'll do Whatever it takes. Whatever. Whatever he can do for the brand. We hire guys, like in operations, in production, in social, like, specific people, like in those lanes. And we were kind of just adding, like, yeah, we were going to do Cade the whole time. He was kind of going to just be our football guy who joined the boys. But he came in and he was like the most surprising. We hired a few people from that litter, but he was like a stud.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like somebody you just wouldn't expect. Like, okay, offensive lineman. He's doing it for a credit. He'll be fun banter. He'll be good around the vibes. He'll be good around the shop. But he's cutting clips. He's doing everything to where it's like, yo, he's, dude, you're gonna be special.

[B]

No job too big, no job too small. Guys on scholarship, he's at Vandy. They're a hot team. He's getting nil money. And he comes in here and acts like he's doing janitorial things. He's cutting clips. He's doing literally whatever it takes to be one of the boys. It's unbelievable. Can we break down this play for a second to go to the beginning of this play? This is a special play by Kate McConnell. You see they got a little. So they're like in this like three, four, look right now. So they are fanning out the left tackle and left guard. Cade McConnell is playing left guard. They're fanning out. So these two guys are, man, the end who's a 4i. He's going to go out towards the tackle, basically allowing Cade to go back in. But Cade played a little bit. The way he body bags this 4i technique. Go ahead, let him bink him bank. And then right here. That's amazing. You see the. The will linebacker, he's dropped into coverage. So, you know, you just helped out your left tackle. That's a win for him on that side. He could essentially be done and just kind of hold space. The fact that he's going in to handle the center after that too. Because, you know, a lot of times when one guy drops another way, there could be blitzers coming the opposite way. So you have to bang a lot of guys back. This is heady football. This is valid Victorian football type shit right here. That gets me juiced up because he's violent. The thing that fires me up is his feet are incredible here. He's got extension on his punch. He's violent with his punch without getting over his toes. And he's banging Back. And when you're banging back, you're not like taking over the block so you can throw that shoulder into it. Football porn. That's football porn.

[A]

I don't know where he is.

[B]

That's six to midnight. That's you talking about 49 from Minnesota last week. I know the situation, but, like, you brought that up on the stream where you're like, that's football porn for a linebacker.

[A]

You're definitely intentionally going out of your way right there to bring up 49. No, there's no. You didn't have have to do this way.

[D]

Well, talks about Luke Keakley.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is. I don't know first off, that's not true, but go ahead.

[A]

I don't know where he's ranked on the NFL or anything else, because I know he's a junior, he's got another year and all that. But if there are scouts that are watching tape, whether they're watching Diego, whether or whatever, cats they're watching at Vanderbilt or on the defensive side for lsu and they're watching this game, that right there is a clip to where it's like, say he's not in the top 10, whatever it is. That's one where it's like, who is this kid?

[B]

Right?

[A]

And his name starts to get in some conversations and if he puts some consistency behind that, like, this is a clip you will see on draft night, on draft day, whenever he does get.

[B]

Picked in the top.

[A]

Look at him here as a Jr. Against LSU's defense. Yes, is.

[C]

I may be wrong here, but I feel like I've heard some Joe Moore talks about Vandy's offensive line.

[B]

Could be.

[A]

Dude, they're playing incredible right now.

[B]

They're playing amazing.

[A]

I don't know what the stats are coming out of the LSU game, but before the LSU game, they were averaging over six yards per rush, which was number one in the country.

[B]

Unbelievable.

[A]

What's crazy about Vandy's O line and Cade in general is he switches sides.

[B]

Each like every other play, which is. He doesn't play just right guard or left guard. They switch all the time.

[A]

So within a one series, he could.

[B]

Take three, four snaps at left guard. Three, four snaps at right guard.

[A]

Dude, that's insane.

[B]

That is. That is. I kind of hate that he had another.

[A]

Yeah, you hate that. But I. I just love how it's like. Like he's just thinking, just have me in the game. Like, I'll swing. They move the tackle, too. They bring the guard and the tackle.

[B]

So, like that he sticks with the one guy they just switch each time. It's the way Vandy runs their offense that's crazy. What they need to do. Katie McConnell needs to transfer to Michigan next year if he's got one more year. What are you saying? I was gonna say we're watching Vandy.

[A]

LSU and my dad was going, hey, that's Yalls guy, that's Cade.

[B]

That's 70 that sprung Diego for that touchdown run they had up the left sideline. Yeah, he had a nasty block on that one too. He was head hunt boy was flowing right there.

[A]

Yeah, there's another clip of him going.

[B]

Viral too when he pulled from right guard and he came down and just completely ran someone over. That fires me up. Kids are getting some love. One last talk about this clip. Two years ago when LSU played at Vandy, there was an LSU offensive lineman who essentially did the same thing to vanity defense. And it's cool to see that script flipped. And it's even cool that's our guy that did it.

[A]

And I hope too that this photo is what's kind of sitting here while we talk about them because just look at Demon. Just a specimen. Specimen next to Cade.

[B]

A couple of dogs out there.

[C]

That just makes you realize how big Kate is.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's crazy that those are two of the same things. Those are both humans. Those are the same. Right? Like those are both mammals or whatever. Whatever we are. Like that's crazy.

[A]

They're both of the human species.

[B]

They're both males. Yeah, like those are both. Like if this is a litter of dogs, like oh, like that one's related to that one like in some one way shape or form. Like those things are related right there. That's crazy.

[A]

Those are both Homo sapiens.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah. The one. The less a little extra. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

And both. It's so funny. Funny you brought up the dog litter thing because if they were both looking.

[B]

A little cap locked on those forward letters at the. At the beginning. Huh, Sherm? That was your joke. Sherm told me that joke before. Anybody who gets mad at me for that joke, he got a little less sapien. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, one. Yeah, one's got more sapien than the other.

[A]

The dog litter analogy that you use. They would both. If they were shopping for dogs, Cade would be picking the one that looked like Kaden. Jared would for sure be picking the one that looked like Jared. He's like, let me give that one a chance. Let me take this one home. Yeah, he's cute. He just needs some Cuddling. He can jump on the bed.

[C]

Cade wants, like, a.

[D]

Like a big dog. Jared's like, I'll take the little.

[B]

Yeah, the little scamper. A little scamper over here.

[A]

A little pocket, you know, Demon swinging in the air right now, just thinking, he's got it. He's got a German shepherd, doesn't he?

[B]

Yeah, he got German shepherd. He's got. Miss. Miss Pickles. What's his.

[A]

He's got a couple bigger dogs.

[C]

Miss Biscuits.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Miss Biscuits. Huskies.

[A]

Shout out. Miss Biscuits. Biscuits.

[B]

Huskies. Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Do we want to get into Drew Brees? He'll be in on with us any second. Do we have anything else we want to hit in the intro? Any pet peeves? Any. Anything?

[D]

Yeah, shout out.

[C]

No Free shout out. This weather. It's finally broke.

[D]

It's here.

[C]

Fall is here.

[A]

Yeah, bro.

[B]

I got a pet peeve. On the flight home. There was a family. One of the. There was a little kid behind me that was just kicking my chair the whole time. All good. Like, I know what it's like to have children on a flight.

[A]

I.

[B]

And that, to me, it's like, listen this. It's an hour. It's an hour flight. I can handle this little massage chair in the back, just kicking me back and forth. That's no problem. But I look back for a second. The mom, she's just staring at her phone while this kid's doing that. And that's why I'm thinking to myself, honey, like, we got to teach these kids things. It's not the kid's fault that he's taking the thing because he doesn't know he's doing the wrong thing right now. The dad notices after he is. I think he's Indian. He was something. He was something. He had a hard, hard accent on it. And he. We go to get off the flight, and he goes, oh, I'm not gonna do the accent.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I'm not gonna do the accent. He looks at me and he goes, my kid. My kid was kicking the back of your chair. And I was like, oh, yeah, it's no bad day. He goes, I'm not sorry. And I was like, you're. You're not sorry? He goes, I'm not sorry. And I was like, I assume there's a language barrier going on here. That's a crazy thing to say. But my pet peeve is that mom on her phone. Get off your phone. On the flight. I think he probably was sorry. He probably was. He probably had to be.

[A]

Had to be. Was he Smiling.

[B]

He said, I'm not sorry. I'm thinking you're just. You're accidentally just putting a knot in there.

[C]

Was he mean?

[D]

Mugging, like, the whole time?

[B]

He was more. He was more of a stone face killer. Yeah. Yeah, he's more of a stone face.

[C]

He definitely was not sorry. He was just trying to be a dick.

[A]

Oh, why?

[B]

But I didn't say nothing. I was just chilling, man. I think.

[D]

I think it's because, like, you. Did you, like, turn around?

[B]

No, no, I gave up. I was sitting there, and I had a little gap right here. And I'm looking. I'm talking to. I'm talking to Will. And I kind of gave, like, a peek. Like, I went like a little peak ski. And I just see the mom chinned up, doing her thing. And I thought, oh, that's kind of crazy.

[C]

I feel like when you learn the English language, you.

[A]

You know, like, not.

[C]

That's like in Borat, like, you learn what not.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

All right. Borat. Got it figured out quick. Yeah. Bora. If anything, the word not was a of a mainstay for him.

[C]

What you learn what? Not me.

[B]

Yeah, maybe that guy. Dude.

[D]

Like, I'd be pissed.

[B]

No, I'm with you. You know what I did? Didn't say, got off the plane. Got off the plane? Yeah. What am I gonna do? I beat up some Indian dude. Anywho, it's getting Drew Brees.

[A]

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[C]

What's up, man?

[B]

What's going on, Dude, I'm looking over this, and I obviously am very familiar with your career, but. Super bowl champion, Super Bowl 44, 13 time Pro Bowler, 2004 NFL AP play a comeback player of the year, 2006 NFL. Walter Payton man of the year, 2008 AP off, it's a player of the year, 2011 NFL. AP off, it's a player of the year.

[A]

Like, buddy, I mean, you missed one.

[B]

What I miss.

[A]

Former teammate of Will Compton. For 10 days. For 10 days.

[B]

So of all those accolades, talk to me about what Will Compton did for you and your career.

[C]

You know, just. Just lead by example. You know, I mean, I always, always thought I was the first guy in. Last one to leave. But then this guy comes to town and just tries to show me up. Drew another level.

[A]

That's him. That's us.

[C]

That's us.

[B]

That's you guys together. Yeah. It's devastating. Devastating.

[A]

Where should we start?

[B]

Let's start.

[A]

We have a lot of ground to cover.

[B]

Let's start at the beginning.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Let's start at the beginning. Talk to me about growing up getting no offers out of high school and ended up ending up a boilermaker. Talk to me about that process.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I say this. Look, man, you grow up in the state of Texas, obviously, football's a way of life, you know, for a lot of. A lot of small towns, you know, everything shuts down for Friday Night Lights. You know, I definitely grew up in that atmosphere. My grandfather was a. A longtime high school football coach down at Gregory Portland High School, Portland, Texas, outside of Corpus Christi, for 38 years. So, you know, as a kid, we would spend our summers down there. Basically, me and my brother were water boys for his football teams. So as a kid, man, I love sports. I mean, I was all Ball, Right, Just a gym rat. Football, basketball, baseball, look, you know, a track, cross country, tennis, soccer, like you name it, just any sticking ball. And honestly, going into high school, I was three sport athletes, so. And if you asked me to put it in order of which sports were my favorite and maybe that I was kind of best at, it was baseball, then basketball and then football.

[A]

So you could play on the basketball court?

[C]

Yeah, I would play the point, but there was a better point guard, so I played the two. I was a shooting guard, but baseball, like I was the three hole hitter. Threw right, batted left, played short, but there was a better shortstop, so I played third. There's a theme here. Yeah, yeah, Better guys, so I just shifted positions, you know. But yeah, batted three hole. Modeled my swing after Ken Griffey Jr. Ted Williams was my favorite player of all time, the Splendid Splinter. So yeah, really, it was like baseball was my trajectory. That's where I really thought I would end up, you know, hopefully having a chance to play at the next level, either college or get drafted. So even throughout high school, like I'm playing baseball and playing basketball and yeah, I'm playing football, but you know, hey, I was starting B team quarterback on the freshman team and now I'm the backup on jv and I don't think I'm ever going to play. And there was actually a moment my sophomore year midway through training camp, like, hot Texas heat, brutal. My mom picks me up from practice and she can tell, like I'm down in the dumps. We pull into the garage and she's like, what's wrong? I'm like, mom, I think I'm gonna quit football. Like, I just don't think this is my path. I feel like I'm kind of wasting my time. Like I'm playing behind this guy who's a phenom, you know, and he's going to be the heir apparent starter on varsity. So I'm just going to ride the bench here for the next couple years. Why wouldn't I just focus on baseball if that's where I really think my path is? And she's like, I mean, you know, do you, do you love it? I'm like, yeah, look, I love, I love the competition. I love having the ball in my hands. I mean, I love the quarterback, you know, position, everything that comes along with it. Love being out there with my, my boys, but I just don't think I'm ever going to get a chance to play. And she's like, you never know when your opportunity will come. So just Stick it out. But first off, you made the commitment for this year. Like, so you're locked in. We can reassess at the end of the year, but you never know when your opportunity will come. And so, sure enough, a week later, like, going into my JV sophomore season, where I was just going to ride the bench, the starter gets hurt in the final scrimmage, he tears his acl, so, man, he's out.

[A]

And.

[C]

And all of a sudden I'm thrust into the starting job. And the rest is kind of history there with football, like, it just, it just took off. We ended up going 100 as a JV. I played, played really well. And then all of a sudden it was like, okay, you're like, you're going to be the guy. Like, you're going to be the starter on varsity. And ironically, like, this is 1995. We go into my junior season of high school football. I went to Westlake High School, Austin, Texas. It's a perennial powerhouse. Yeah, like always, quarterfinals are beyond big school in the state of Texas, but we had never won a state championship. Like, we'd always gotten really, really close, but never won one. And like, this was our year, like, the best team we've ever had. And we are rolling through the playoffs. And in third round of the playoffs, I end up coming off a bootleg, get hit, come down my knee buckles, and sure enough, I've torn my acl, acl, mcl, lateral meniscus. And so like, all of a sudden, now the whole reason I was starting was because this guy in front of me had done that and I had taken his job. And so now all of a sudden, this happens to me and this is like December of 95. And so. Excuse me, it was December of 95. Yep. And so now all of a sudden, not only did, you know, that kind of derails our playoff run, but then I missed the basketball season and I missed the baseball season.

[B]

So.

[A]

And you're a junior, right?

[C]

That's when you get recruited, right? That's your junior year where. And this is what everybody's kind of looking at you and thinking about who they're going to offer and all that stuff. And look, I was not an impressive guy to look at. Probably still not 6 foot, 170 pounds, right? Like, nothing, nothing prototype about that. And so then even going into my senior season, you know, I gained about 20 pounds just from working out in the rehab process and all that stuff to come back. But still, 6 foot 195, running a 5, 2, 8, boys 5, 2, 8, 40 with the big clunky knee brace. I was not a real impressive guy to look at, you know, not the guy that the recruiting coordinator is going to go and be like, hey man, I got a gym for us, you know. Yeah, 6 foot 1 90, runs a 5 to 8 with a big old knee brace. You're going to love this kid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you feel like offers and stuff would have been there had you not torn your acl? Because again, you're like, you did you go on to win a state title your senior year?

[C]

Yeah, look, we like, I guess the, the accolades were there. Like we went 16 and oh, we won a state championship in the biggest school in the state of Texas. Yes, I was, I was the 5A offensive player of the year in the state of Texas.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Right.

[B]

As big as it gets.

[C]

So all that would tell you, okay, maybe he's got a little something.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But again, like, I think everybody at times gets pretty enthralled with the Measurables, right? Like the prototype. Look, and I was certainly not that guy. Like, I was, I was, I was, I was a multi sport athlete. Right. So I was. I mean, I think if you just kind of looked at it the way people look at it now, I think that's a really attractive thing now is that they look at, hey, does this kid guy play other sports? Does he just know how to ball? Knows how to ball, loves competition, that sort of thing? I think I checked all the boxes there, but certainly the measurables weren't, weren't there. And so when it came down to it, I ended up getting recruited by two schools. It was Purdue and Kentucky and the situations there were that both of them had new coaching staffs. So with Kentucky, Hal, Mummy, I don't know if you remember this how, Mummy. He was kind of part of that air Raid offense and that was really starting to take off like mid-90s. He came from Valdosta State to Kentucky and the quarterback in Kentucky at that time was Tim Couch. So Tim Couch was my host to all my visit to Kentucky and basically like these guys kind of painted the picture for me. First of all, they were like, you can play football and baseball here. You're going to come in, you're going to back up Tim Couch because nobody's beating this dude out. He's a phenom.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[C]

He's going to, he's going to, he's going to play for two more years. So you're going to red shirt back him up and then he's Going to leave early for the draft. He'll be the first pick, and then you're going to start for three years here at Kentucky, and you're going to play baseball. I was like, okay, that actually sounds pretty.

[B]

That sounds like a nice deal. Yeah.

[C]

And then I go to Purdue, and Purdue had Joe Tiller, who just came from Wyoming, and they were running the spread offense, and he said that they were going to recruit me at Wyoming, but they're like, there's no way we're going to get this kid up to Wyoming. But then when he got to Purdue and it was Big Ten, you know, maybe a little bit bigger program, I was like, okay, now we can go after him. But he was shocked to hear that I didn't have any offers, really. So it came down to Purdue and Kentucky, and honestly, I chose Purdue mainly because of the academic reputation, but also playing in the Big Ten. The quarterback prior to us was a guy named Jay Rogers. He's actually the D line coach for the New Orleans Saints right now, but he was our quarterback for Westlake High School. He went to Indiana University, so IU and I played with his brothers. And so we would, like, get together on the weekends to watch him play. And I'm watching him play against Michigan and Ohio State and, like, all the big boys. And at the time, like, Big Ten was. I mean, all those schools, I think, was where everybody aspired to go and play, you know, with or against.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And so I remember seeing that saying, all right, I get. I mean, you're telling me I get to play against Notre Dame, Michigan or Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin every year and get a great education. And I was like, sign me up. So that's why I chose Purdue.

[A]

Dude, that is awesome. What are there. Were there any other moments? Like, clearly you were able to. That. That moment you had, you said, was that with your mom, where she was asking you, saying, you're gonna finish out the rest of the year. You have that moment with your mom, and then your opportunity kind of comes and you're kind of forged through the fire on understanding these lessons at a young age. Like, were there any lessons or moments during your time at Purdue that carried you into the NFL as well, to where maybe you got tested? Or maybe it was another moment that you're able to look back on and see that, hey, I'm glad I stayed true to the process here.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so many similarities. Like, you know, high school. I talked about Westlake High School, like, when we moved into that district my freshman year, and Ironically, it was because my mom, like, we lived all over Austin in a bunch of different parts of town. My parents had gotten divorced when we moved to Austin, so it was kind of a tough time early, just as they were kind of trying to find their rhythm. But at the end of the day, my mom looked around and said, okay, what's the best high school that's going to put my kids in the best position to succeed athletically, academically? So she chose Westlake High School and was basically like, all right, I'm moving into the district so you can go to school here. And I remember showing up that day one, my freshman year of high school, and literally they were like, okay, who wants to play quarterback? And like 40 hands went up in the air, including mine. And I looked around, I was like, dude, I am never going to touch the field, right? It was kind of similar at Purdue. Like, yeah, I get recruited, but I get recruited alongside two other quarterbacks, right, that were highly touted guys from the Midwest, big time recruits coming to play in the spread offense, right? Like, that was the big allure. You're going to throw it 50 times a game and I show up. So there's seven guys there to play quarterback my true freshman year. So once again, it's like, oh, gosh, you know, I'm gonna end up, you know, holding a tack, being a tackling dummy here for a few years before I maybe even get the chance to step on the field. Well, I ended up kind of becoming the backup quarterback to a fifth year senior my true freshman year and played in about seven or eight games. One of those being in a critical moment against Michigan State. Nick Saban was ahead of head coach there. Like, our guy was not playing well. They benched him. They put me in. I'm kind of like, you know, the young freshman gonna come and start slinging it. I had no idea what I was doing. I threw a ball against tip gets intercepted, they pull me back out, put the fifth year senior in. Ironically, we go down and score like two touchdowns in the final two. Go win the game. But, but like, plenty of moments there where, man, you're just, you're just questioning whether you belong. You know, I think there's always especially those moments as you kind of tick up levels, you know, from high school to college to the pros, they have those moments of like, man, like a little bit of self doubt, like, do I belong here? And it's a bit overwhelming and it is where you just have to. It's like you got to just trust your Training and trust your instincts and trust the process and you know, a lot of, a lot of self belief, but also just, you know, the overcoming of adversity and feeling like if you do things the right way, good things are going to happen. And then you get to the point where you almost, man, you embrace the adversity, you embrace the challenges. Look there, there, there were some defining moments in, in college. I'd say one of the biggest ones was I ended up winning the starting job my sophomore year. So we open up the year at usc. Kind of a big, big moment. First start in the Coliseum against the USC Trojans in 1998, we end up losing that game. But I kind of felt like, okay, man, I'm, you know, I can do this. And then we end up playing, I think it was Central Florida and Rice. We get wins there and then all of a sudden it's kind of like leading up to this big game at Notre Dame. Notre dame is top 10. And this is like dream come true, like going to play at Notre Dame. Yeah, I'm a sophomore. Like this was one of the whole reasons that I chose to come to Purdue was to be able to play in games like this. And for 58 minutes of that game, I play absolutely lights out. Like I just, just like I blacked out and just, and, and, and we end up like we're beating the Top, a top 10 team in the country as little old Purdue coming into Notre Dame. And then unfortunately in the last two minutes, like we're just trying to just ice the game, just get one first down. Notre Dame's burning timeouts. We get to third and 10 and coach kind of, kind of like, hey, I'm going to call a pass play. I'm putting this thing in your hands, like, let's go get this first time and go win this game. It was kind of like one of these rollout plays and I'm throwing the ball over the middle to a guy and I just let the ball sail a little bit hot and it kind of tips off his fingertips and Tony Driver, the free safety, picks it off, runs it back to like the two yard line. They kick a field goal to take the lead. And then we have another now 2 minute drive to try to go win it. And I throw another pick. So basically two picks in the final two minutes. And dude, when I say, well, first off, Purdue had won at Notre dame in like 30 years, okay? And so I'm sitting here looking at all the seniors in the locker room and everybody's like crying and just you know, like, we had fought so stinking hard, and I was sitting there going, dude, you are responsible for this pain. I mean, like, we all have these.

[B]

Moments.

[C]

And then we insult injury. Like, we now ride the bus back to Purdue. We bussed up to South Bend for this game. It's only like two and a half hours away. So I'm riding the bus back to Purdue, and I'm literally just staring out at the cornfields, you know, in Indiana, and I'm just like, all right, this is like, you have a choice here, right? Like, you can just go in the tank as a result of what just happened, or you can, you know, freaking bow up. Stiff upper lip, man, and show these guys what you're made of.

[A]

Right?

[C]

And so, look, a tough week of practice, but it was just like, lock in focus. This has to be your best performance. And then we come out against Minnesota, and I think I went 31 of 36 for 522 yards and six touchdowns.

[B]

Oh, damn.

[C]

Every single game record, Purdue history, that next game. And it was kind of like one of these misty, eerie date, like, Midwest fall days. And. But it was just like, it all kind of came together and it was one of those. I don't know, it was like those. One of those prove it moments to myself that, like, you can. You can. You can overcome one of these kind of devastating moments that mentally could really mess with you, right?

[A]

Absolutely devastating.

[C]

You come back that next week and just. And absolutely put your best foot forward. And I don't know, I just. It proved a lot to myself.

[A]

Yeah. Two picks in those last two drives. You're. You're definitely. You're.

[B]

You're trying to ice the game.

[A]

Yeah, trying to. You're putting that entire game on yourself. Like, maybe I am who they think I am.

[B]

Right. Right. Maybe I. Maybe my mom was wrong. I should have just played baseball. Like, you're going way back into all that. Yeah, I should have quit the whole entire time. Dude, what was like being a sophomore and having that happen at the end of the Notre Dame game? Were there any, like, seniors? Like, how was the leadership in that building at that time? Were they, like. Like, coming up to you and checking you, putting their hand on your shoulder, but, hey, it's going to be all right? Or was it like, leave the kid alone and see what he does? No. No one's coming to save you vibes?

[C]

No, I would say we had. We had pretty good. We had good culture on that team, and we. We had a good group of guys. And honestly, we had we had. We had guys that had been kind of beaten down for a while, you know, like, Purdue hadn't had a lot of success, you know, up to that point. You know, 15 straight losing seasons or something like that, and just a lot of dysfunction. You know, when Joe Tiller got there, he had cleaned house on a lot of guys. You know, like, that was a really tough first, you know, spring ball, where he was honestly trying to run some guys out, right. And just make sure that he. He kind of kept the right guys. And so everybody who was there, like, had earned their right to be there. And it was because they were great leaders and were great. You know, they had formed the culture. And so. So, man, I. I did have plenty of guys that put their arm on me, like, hey, man, we got you. We believe in you. And obviously that means a lot. But I also knew I had to.

[B]

Prove it to him.

[A]

Yeah. So just for more context, everybody that already knows Drew Brees, but just going to say it again, six foot, you know, less than 200 pounds. Around 200 pounds. You tear your ACL, you got a bum. You got a bum ACL over five seconds in the 40, you still get drafted in the second round to the Chargers, you tear the shit out of your shoulder. Can you give us a look inside your mental. Your mind during that process? Because in your career, in your journey, you've had to trust your instincts. You. You've had to stay true to your beliefs, what you believe, and everything else. Can you give us a look inside that moment when you tore your shoulder with the Chargers and how close you were to potentially not playing ever again? I think you failed the physical later on as well. Like, give us a look inside of that story of overcoming that adversity.

[C]

Yeah, so that was. At the time, man, that was. That was about as devastating as it gets, because that was. That was truly a moment where I felt like my dream was just being ripped away. Like that I would. That I would never play football again. And look, my first five years with the San Diego Chargers, man, there were plenty of ups and downs. Downs. I came in as a rookie and backed up Doug Flutie for a year.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Which was to have Doug Flutie as a guy to learn from and as a mentor for four years, because he ended up. Then backing me up for three years was pivotal for me in my growth, development, and for my career. But during that stretch where I was the starter, I was benched three times by Marty Schottenheim for various reasons. You know, sometimes it was turning the ball over too much. Sometimes it wasn't getting the job done. Sometimes it was just, hey, we need a spark. I'm gonna throw Flutie in there. But, like, nonetheless, for a young guy who's working so hard to establish himself, you know, as the starter for a team and gain that respect and that belief from my teammates in the organization, man, that's a shot to the ego, right? And, like, never had I had a moment in my career where I truly lost confidence. And there was definitely a moment or two during that stretch where you would say, like, I lost confidence. Like, I was just not sure if I could get the job done. Right. And yet, man, had battled through that and, you know, spent off seasons just dedicating myself to being the very best leader that I could be. Quarterback. Like, looking at my diet, my sleep patterns, like, ever, like, I was leaving no stone unturned and finally had kind of reached this point, 04.05, where, okay, like, I am now a good player in this league, and I. And I'm clearly the starting quarterback for this team and earn the right to be the franchise quarterback for this organization.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then going into the very last game of the 2005 season, which was the end of my contract, so it was like, okay, I made it all the way through. Yeah, I've proven it. And now's the opportunity to get the commitment from the organization. Long term, you're our guy. Despite the fact that they drafted Philip Rivers, you know, two years previous, who is now my backup. Like, man, I am going to be the guy. And then that very last game against the Denver Broncos, you know, I come out of a, you know, a pile jumping for a fumble, and I have this dislocated right throwing shoulder. Literally, my arm is stuck like this. It had dislocated out the bottom, and it was just stuck like that. So I remember walking to the sidelines, it's kind of like one of these rainy days, and, like, my body's in shock, but I know exactly what it is, and I know the gravity of the situation, you know, And I sat there, as I'm walking off the field, I literally thought to myself, this is the last time I'm ever going to put on a charger uniform. And then I get to the sideline, I was like, you know what? This may be the last time I ever played football again, as the doc is like, you know, lethal weapons, sliding my shoulder back into my socket. And even, you know, a couple days after that, like, I go see Dr. James Andrews, who was the preeminent you know, orthopedic surgeon down in Birmingham, Alabama. And literally he's looking at me like, hey, you have so much swelling in that shoulder. I really don't know the extent of the damage. Like, just let me get in there and figure it out and then I'll kind of tell you when it's done. So like, literally, as I'm going under for surgery, I still don't know, right, what's going to happen or even the gravity, the whole, you know, injury. And I end up coming out of the surgery and he's like, well, you know, he goes like, if I, if I had to do that surgery 100 times, I couldn't do as well as I just did it. That was his message to me. So I was like, okay, that's what I want to hear, doc. I'm like, what does that mean? He's like, he's like, look, you have a long road ahead of you. Like it's a minimum eight months before you're even gonna ever start be able to throw again. He's like, I put you back together but man, this rehab process is going to be a bear and you're gonna have to learn how to throw again.

[A]

Right?

[C]

And there's kind of some non negotiables about the rehab as we go along here. I mean, I was trying to push the envelope as much as I could. But here's something interesting that happened in that, during that, that, that chain of events. So I actually going into that last year, my agent had recommended that I get an insurance policy on my shoulder, I mean, or basically just on my, you know, my body, my career, right? Like, hey, you know, you have the chance to sign a long term contract which would be, right, worth a lot of money if something happens to you. This year she get a, like a Woods of London contract, insurance contract, just in the event that something happens and you can't play. So there was a moment where I had to make a decision as to whether I was going to collect the insurance policy and never play again. Where I was going to attempt to play again and void the insurance policy.

[A]

Which I'm sure the insurance policy was probably a pretty hefty amount.

[B]

Do you care to share that number at all what that insurance policy was to show?

[C]

I think it was like 5 million bucks. 5 million bucks that, that I, I could just take the 5 million and walk or, or attempt to play again and again. There was no guarantees, right, that, that, that I would play again. But, but I, I, I was like, you know what, rip that thing up, man. Like, I. I just. I. I feel like God's got me, and this is. This is. Even though this is the path that I wouldn't choose, this is the one I'm on, and. And I'm going to be better for it. And I think that's. That's. That's really the way I look at that ACL injury with my. With my knee in high school. You know, at the time, I thought, hey, this is devastating. It's the worst thing ever could happen to me. I'm missing, you know, the basketball season, the baseball season. I'm not going to get recruited. Like, yes. Did it alter my path? Maybe it did. But, man, it. It molded me, strengthened me, it made me stronger. My faith, it did so many things for my. For my path and my direction that, you know, had at times, if we leave it up to our own devices, you know, I think that's when, you know, we realized that, you know, God has us right where he wants us, and it's all for a reason. It's all meant to mold us in a lot of different ways. And both those injuries did that for me. And look, I never would have ended up with the New Orleans Saints and had that incredible, incredible experience, incredible run, incredible journey that we had there over the course of 15 years.

[B]

And.

[C]

And obviously that became about so much more than just football, but I never would have the chance to be a part of that if it wasn't for going through those things.

[A]

Yeah, man. How long did that rehab process take in totality?

[C]

Man, the. The shoulder was a solid eight months. So, you know, surgery was early January, and. And literally I wasn't ready until week one of the season, you know, so call it early September. You know, I went through training camp, but I was on a pitch count, you know, so I was, you know, kind of ramping up. 20 throws and then 30 throws and then 40 throws. And, I mean, I can remember my first couple of throws. I'm sitting there throwing a slant. Just dirt, num. You know, and, you know, you can ask Sean Payton. Sean Payton's looking at our quarterback coach who had been with me in San Diego and was like, hey, are we seeing the best of him right now? And my QB coach would be like, hey, Phil, there's more there. There's more there. Just be patient. And truly, it was one of those things where it was like. Like, if I threw 40 throws in a day, maybe two or three of them were good, really. Then the next day it was four or five, and the next day it was five or six and then seven. And it just gradually each day. So truly trusting the process and not getting frustrated and just knowing that, man, it's just going to keep getting stronger, it's going to keep getting better. And the irony with that whole thing is like, honestly, I came back so much stronger. Like, I'm saying, like a stronger arm, like a stronger lower half, like better mechanics, like, everything came back better. And it was probably a result of literally having to like rebuild the foundation for throwing again. Like literally having to learn how to throw the football again. So mechanically it was almost like, okay, any deficiencies that I had before, I can correct them now because I'm literally like rewiring the system just to get back on the field again.

[B]

I got a. So I got kind of a two parter here because we kind of brushed over the insurance policy a little bit. I want to know, like, who you talk to in that process, how long of a thought process it was before you're like, listen, $5 million sounds great, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep betting on me. And then also, how did we get to New Orleans from, you know, having the shoulder surgery? Playing your last game as a charger?

[C]

Yeah, well, it's a. Main conversations were with my wife and then with my agent, you know, so my agent was Tom Condon.

[B]

Shout out Tom.

[C]

Same old Tommy. Yep.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So, you know, I think it was, you know, with Tom, like, man, Tom was always so just kind of poised, even keel, like Tom. I always felt like you talk about an agent, you just feel like has your back, man, at all times. And like, I think as devastated as we all were that I was just in that situation, I think Tom, if anything, gave me a ton of belief that I could come back and not only play, but play at a high level, you know. And so it was just reinforcing what I wanted to hear, you know, I just wanted to feel like I just had everybody in my camp, you know, and everybody that was there to help push me to be, you know, the best that I could be. But certainly, you know, just be unwavering, you know, in that belief. And he was one of those guys, of course, my wife. And so, yeah, I think at the end of the day, it became an easy decision. Like, I'll always regret if I don't, you know, make a run at it, you know. But I think all that is to say that, like, just the reality of the situation with my shoulder, like, if you ask Dr. Andrews, he would tell you that he didn't Think I was going to be able to come back and play again.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Even though he put it back together as good as he possibly could, he's like just the probabilities are not good. I just, he had never seen that injury in a throw ever. Like, that was a bull rider's injury. When a bull rider gets his arm caught in the rope, this is what he told me. That's when he sees the dislocation out of the bottom. Right. That's gnarly, man. That's gnarly.

[A]

Jesus.

[C]

360 degree tear of the labrum. So I had 13 anchors in my shoulder. Like literally I would do rehab and, and it would sound like a cold rubber. It was these anchors in my shoulder. Yeah. Like just ringing in my ear. I do. That's like a vivid memory of rehab.

[A]

And for, in context for people. I tore my shoulder as well. And it, it works like a clock. Like I had 12. Like 13 is something extra has to be happening to your shoulder for him to have 13 anchors.

[C]

Here's the crazy suit. So Zach Thomas had surgery the same day that I did with a similar injury. But you guys playing linebacker, they're going to fix you differently because you're not required to have all this external rotation.

[A]

Right? Like we'll have tightness for our lives. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

They're going to tighten you guys up, right. Because you don't, you don't need all that. Right.

[A]

We're just right here.

[C]

But yeah, exactly. But for the QB rotational athlete needing all this external internal, like it's, it's got to be stable enough but loose enough, you know, so it's like it's walking this delicate line. Right. And then through the rehab process, it's just about building the strength in and around that joint to protect it. But yeah, I mean it was like a work of art as I think about what Dr. Andrews had to put back together and, and perform.

[A]

Dude, that is incredible. Again, like you given that perspective too, Like I'm not even thinking about it. On Zach Thomas, like having similar surgeries and they gotta do it a little bit differently because the quarterback, linebacker and everything else and just you still overcoming that. And I appreciate you sharing all that with us too because I know like if you're, if you're young, like I'm 36, I want to say you started to take off when I was like in high school. Right. Like, wasn't it like when you're having like the 4,000 yard seasons, isn't that around like what, 07, 0806, maybe.

[C]

Yeah. Oh, six.

[B]

Zero.

[C]

Six was our first year with the Saints.

[A]

And.

[C]

And that was, that was really the start of the run.

[A]

So even, even at my age, like, I remember like, like there were a couple moments where I'm getting reminded that you played on the San Diego Chargers. I'm getting reminded your actual labrum story came up during my rehab process. On just guys, it was like you, I want to say Rich Gannon was another one, but you're like learning about these things about like Drew Brees that you. That everybody knows of as a Hall of Fame quarterback. Like anybody young that just watched you basically your Saints days has really, you know, they could be hearing this for the first time, just be thinking, oh, he played on.

[C]

On.

[A]

It's always the. Oh, shit, he played on the Chargers. Oh, Philip Rivers was a backup then for a couple years. Oh, he was behind Doug Flutie, like the Drew Brees that we all know right now.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's crazy. So I appreciate you walking us down those, those, those old memories.

[C]

Yeah, that's a little bit of memory lane there. But man, every, every one of those, like, look, I, I consider myself really lucky from a coaching perspective. You know, Joe Tiller in Coach College, who was so influential for me, Marty Schottenheimer with the San Diego Charters, Sean Payton with the New Orleans Saints. So pretty rare that you would just have, you know, that, that level of stability, you know, at each level and each, each one of those guys, I just have lessons that continue to ring in my ear, you know, each and every day. Especially as now I'm coaching and I'm coaching my kids and other kids and just, you know, a lot of my style has been modeled off of those guys.

[B]

Yeah, we have a lot of guys. We have Clay Matthews on one of our locker room show that comes out on Thursdays. And we also. And just hearing about these coaches and how they're approached to these kids. What is, what is your approach with your children? Are you hardest on your kids? A little easier on the other kids?

[A]

We have Greg Olson, he's coaching his. Greg Olsen.

[C]

They actually just won. I love watching Greg's stuff. I know he's coaching middle school football. I was coaching my 8th grade pop Warner son this year and I coached popcorn in the last two years too, for my. My freshman son. Yeah, it's, I would say, my style. Well, first off, I think it's very hard for a parent to coach your kids because it is very natural to try to overcoach them.

[B]

Right.

[C]

It's like you feel like Every lesson that comes to your mind to teach them, you just like, it's just coming out at all times and you want to coach them like on every play. And that's where it just becomes difficult is blurring those lines between like, dad in the house and then, you know, I'm your coach. I can't tell you how many times I've had to look my son in the eye and say, hey son, like right now I am your coach. I'm not your dad. Okay? I'm your coach. So listen to me, right? Do what I say.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

But I'd say this, like overall I'd say I'm pretty intense, but I try to, I try to be intense with my praise as much as I am intense with my correction.

[D]

Right.

[C]

So it's not just one sided. I would say I also try to really put each kid in the best position to succeed and try to find moments where you can put them in a position where you are able to give them praise. I find that so many of these kids, to watch their growth from the start of the year to the end of the year is monumental. And I think that's where we see the sport of football as just being this creator of men and good young men. There's just so many life lessons to be learned through the sport. And it's almost like you're just looking for those moments that you can set up in practice or in a game that you can immediately spin back to being a life lesson. And then I think like that recap at the end of every practice and the recap at the end of every game are probably some of my favorite moments. It's like, hey, you kind of go around the circle. All the coaches, hey, what did we learn today? And then you just try to take something that happened in practice and then bring it back to life, right? Like the effort of some kid or you know, what, whatever it might be like, I just, I, I find that, that those are the most valuable parts of, of coaching these, these young kids.

[B]

I love it. You, we, we broke down the shoulder thing a little bit. Now we're in the process. You're going this eight month rehab where we don't know if you can play again. You've ripped up the insurance policy. Your wife's like, I believe in you. Tom Condon's like, I believe in you. Tom Condon's paid to believe in you. Yet you still believe that he believes in you. What is his, how is he going out and what other teams is he talking to? That ended up you going to the New Orleans Saints.

[C]

Yeah, I would say because of the just, you know, unknowns with the shoulder and, and the fact that I think word had gotten out that, you know, I had a 25% chance of coming back and playing, you know, that, that was a, that was what the Miami Dolphins doctors had assessed with me and they had told Nick Saban that they had told the, the, the organization that. Because at the end of the day, it came down to the New Orleans Saints and the Miami Dolphins as being the two teams that were trying to bring me in as the starter. There was a lot of teams that were like, hey, we'll bring in as basically like a backup and let's just see what you got.

[B]

Right?

[C]

Let's see, let's see if you can, if you can come back. But the Saints and the Dolphins were the only two that were coming after me to be their starting quarterback.

[A]

When you look at the NFL now and there's all these talks around quarterbacks, should they play as a rookie, all these young quarterbacks who struggle, then you look at examples like Sam Darnold, who's a Baker Mayfield.

[B]

Daniel Jones.

[A]

Yeah, Daniel Jones. And obviously clearly it's, it was a sim. It was very similar with yourself. Like, what do you feel like you look at with these guys to where it's, you know, everybody's wanting to either say they're not the guy or they're a bust or they just need to be in a better situation. Like, what are you seeing when you watch kind of these conversations unfold, Pulling from your own experience, seeing these guys now have success after having a rocky start in the NFL.

[C]

Look, man, it's a great, it's a great question. And, and it's, and it's probably, it's definitely an exact science because we see it, we see it succeed and fail a lot.

[A]

Right.

[C]

The first thing I would say is you just, you can't replace experience. And so the more experience a guy has, the more that you are going to see what he's capable of and what you have. So I'll give you examples. First off, I think that every NFL, you know, any young player needs at least 40 to 50 high level starts before you're going to see, you know, what they're capable of. I think too many times guys get drafted and maybe they've only started for a year, year and a half or two in college and they're expected to come in and it just to happen. Like that's, that's not, that's not Reality. The reality is if a guy has a limited number of starts in college, it's probably going to take him a good two to three years in the NFL before you're going to know what you have. And, and if he's in a situation where, look, as it is in most cases, most top 10 pick quarterbacks, top 15 pick quarterbacks are going to teams that aren't very good. That's why they're drafting that high or they have a lot of other holes to fill. And so it's just even more pressure that's falling on the quarterback position.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And everybody's got this win now mentality and man, we don't have time. Like I get it, but at the same time you also have to understand that, man, the, and the maturation process for a quarterback takes, takes a little time. The guys that do come in and maybe have more success early probably has a lot to do with the team that they're on and the system and the staff, but also the amount of experience. Okay, so like the rookies that came in and had success last year, okay, like the Bo Knicks, Bo Nick started 60 games in college. Jayden Daniels, Jaden Daniels started four seasons, I think two years for Arizona State, two years for, for LSU.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Brock Purdy, Brock Purdy started 51 games at Iowa State. Right. And every time they stepped on the field, they were not the better team.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Like they were, they were the underdogs. They had the chip on the shoulder, like they had to kind of like, you know, gritty. So I think those would be examples of. All right, a lot of experience, so better positioned to maybe have some success, you know, early in the NFL, but still a process.

[A]

Is this, is it still the same formula even if they're having success early? Like, is it still kind of the same formula or system in your head to where it's like you still want to see a good 40, 50 high level starts in the NFL because people talk about, they try to break down Bo Nix all the time. Like you play for Sean Payton, everybody's like, this partnership, this is who Sean wanted. It seems like has that mental, yeah, he has that mental fortitude. He has that kind of it factor on wanting to compete and learn and be really great. He also started a shitload of games. So if he has a down game, people, I feel like the conversation will be, well, he had all these starts. He's kind of as good of a product as he's going to be. And it's like, well, there's still some separation from college to the NFL, right. What do you see that situation like with like Bo Nixon, Sean Payton in Denver or an example like that.

[C]

Some of it too is, is the, the style of offense that a lot of these college programs are running man. So much of it's no huddle. So much of it shotgun. So much of it is rpo. You know, we're really. You're kind of pigeonholing the quarterbacks into. In most cases you're just reading like one person or you're just reading like this small section of field and so you don't really get a chance to learn a ton about coverage or even like in other words, I don't know if your football IQ is, is where it needs to be or if you've really been in positions where you've been forced to kind of learn all of those things until you get to the NFL. And then all of a sudden it is men, the, the best teams are the ones that can get under center and run the ball. Like that's you would know will like as a linebacker. If you're exclusively in shotgun, I think that gives you. That gives you a lot more benefit than all of a sudden offense that is under center. We're going to pound it. Oh, here comes play action.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Opening up shots down the field. Oh, there's the screen game. Oh, there's the shotgun. Oh, we're going empty. Right. Like this variety that you can throw at defenses in the NFL, if you have the ability to go under center and add that component, I think, I think makes you much more of a problematic offense. And I think from a quarterback perspective, it's a skill set that you need to have. Like I watch the New England Patriots right now and the Colts, two of the teams that are under center the most and they're having some of the most success. And I think it's really benefiting those quarterbacks and Daniel Jones and Drake May.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I bring that point up just to say that I think a lot, a lot of these kids now are doing things in college that then they come to the NFL and then they're having to do stuff that maybe they've never done before, maybe they've never been under center. Yeah, but man, like that's a big benefit to have. I had a little bit of that, that, that learning curve when I came in the league. We were spread offensive, Purdue throwing the ball 50 times a game. I was in shotgun 90 of the time. I get into a pro style offense with Ladanian Tomlinson and like a true fullback And Lorenzo Neal. And guess what? I'm Under center like 75 of the time.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Having to turn my back to the defense on play action. Like, I, I never, I didn't know what that was like. Right. So that, that, that took, that took a little time. I saw that with Bo Nicks last year because I know Sean Payton likes to do that. Right. So again, it's. What system were they in? And then what are you asking them to do now? And just understanding there's going to be a little bit of a learning curve that goes along with that.

[B]

Yeah. Will brought up that, you know, the Bo Nick, Sean Payton relationship, everyone always kinds of lean on. Like, Sean Payton has found his new Drew Brees, Bo Nicks student of the game, true professional, very dialed in in his routine. Did you ever have a conversation with Sean Payton about the possibility of Bo Nix, or has Bo Nix reached out to you and be like, hey, this guy's a really intense coach. How do we, how do I get him to like me a little bit more? Like, what do I got to do? Like, have you had any conversations with those two about their relationship?

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I've, I've. I remember talking to Sean a bunch during the draft process when all, you know, six of those quarterbacks were out there and, you know, him talking about who he liked and ironically, he loved Bo. He loved Bo from from the very beginning. And then Bo kind of fell in his lap, it, whatever that was, pick 12 or 13. And I think Bo has all the traits that Sean loves. First off, Bo's a fiery competitor. Sean likes having a guy like that, even a guy who's going to kind of snap back at him. You know, I think that Sean Payton comes from the Bill Parcells world of coaching, which is, you know, Bill Parcells would get on you, you know, and, and I think Bill loved when you would come back to him with conviction, you know, about, about, you know, whatever it was. And so, so Sean likes that type of a guy and obviously Bo to multi sport athlete, ton of experience, you know, knows what he likes. Definitely a learning curve, you know, with some of the things in Sean Payton's offense. And I think you've seen him grow and mature through that. Yeah, I've had many conversations with Bo too. I think just at the end of the day, just about like preparation and process.

[A]

Situational.

[C]

Spend some time with him this off season. Great kid. Man loves ball. It wants to be great.

[B]

You, you definitely see the mental fortitude with Bo Nix. This last game against the Giants. I think they were, they scored 36.

[C]

In the fourth, 33 in the fourth.

[B]

Man, isn't that crazy?

[A]

Unreal.

[B]

Unbelievable. Because you thought like I'm watching Jackson dart and he's getting a couple penalties and not lasting. I'm like, this kid is really lighting the NFL on fire. And they score relatively quickly. It's like holy Bo Nicks is about.

[A]

To do in just two days.

[B]

But yeah, he's about to do it. If we go travel back down to the bayou a little bit, you got Spencer Rattler. He's a first year starter. South Carolina gamecock JP Huffey sitting on the bus with us. What are you seeing out of Kellen Moore as his first time being a head coach at the Saints? Spencer Rattler seems like he has a lot of success. Then it's like, then he throws like two or three picks in a game and they're kind of like finding their identity on offense. What are you seeing from the New Orleans Saints right now?

[C]

Yeah, look, I think Spencer Rattler has a lot of unique traits. I think he throws the ball extremely well. I think he's, he has the ability to improvise to problem solve. He's taken off and run and made some exceptional plays with his legs this year. So from that perspective, he has all those traits. I think he's got a little moxie to him. Look, I, I, I've always liked Kellen Moore's systems. Wherever he's been, been a lot of places has had to put together offenses for a lot of quarterbacks. And I think that's what he's been really good at is putting together offenses that fit the Strengths of the QBs and the personnel around them. I know it's tough as you sit here because you're like, ah, they're not a 1 in 16. They certainly don't look like a 1 in 16, right when you watch them. They've been in most of their games, like most of their games have come down to a final drive where they had a chance to win, tie, certainly extend the game and find a way to win. Look on the flip side, you look at the Tampa Bay Bucks, you know, they found ways to win. Unfortunately, the Saints just haven't right. And their records were flat. But I think they're building something there. They've got a ton of pieces on offense. They've got one of the better O lines in football. Defensively, they've got a great core group of guys, given up too many big plays last couple of weeks, but otherwise they have all the pieces, you know, so I think you just kind of scratch your head. They just haven't found ways to win some of these close ones.

[B]

If somebody called you right now, if Kelmore called you, he's like, I need. I need one game, One game, Addie, to show these young bucks what's. What do you think? With your competitive drive and you had. We'll give you three weeks to train. Could you go in and be competitive in an NFL football game today?

[C]

Now, look, I would know. I would know where to throw it. I just don't know if I could get it there.

[A]

Be layout.

[C]

Hey, I turn on the tape, I know where it's supposed to go.

[B]

Right? Right.

[C]

That's one lingering effect from the shoulder surgery back 20 years ago now was Dr. Andrews said, hey, you're going to be on the fast track now for a degenerative shoulder, and at some point this thing's going to kind of take a steep dive. Then unfortunately, I think I'm at that. That point. Like, I don't, I don't throw with my right arm anymore. I actually throw left handed. I kind of started doing that towards the end of my career, just with my kids because I'd come home after a long day of practice and I didn't have anything left in the right arm and they. But the boys want to play catch.

[A]

So, yeah, gotta find a way.

[C]

I throw left hand. I'm.

[A]

I'm.

[C]

Hey, I'm.

[A]

I'm. I'm.

[C]

I'm pretty. I'm pretty mean inside. Inside of 30 with this left.

[A]

That's pretty good, dude.

[B]

You bring up a unique point, though, that a lot of, A lot of players don't think about while they're playing is the wear and tear that's taking place in their body. Now that you've been out of the league for a few years now and, you know, okay, my shoulder, I was told it's going to be on a fast track. What kind of things are you doing to kind of keep your body ahead of the chains so you don't kind of just kind of go downhill? Not just a shoulder, but from a body standpoint.

[C]

Yeah, no, great question. Look, I, I still love. I mean, I just love athletics and I love to be active.

[D]

So.

[C]

Man, I play a bunch of racket sports like I play a bunch of padel pickle. I still like, I like to mountain bike. I like to, you know, get in the water and do stand a paddle or surf, of course. Just all the stuff that I do with my kids, you know, athletically. And then look, I Like, to train. I like to. I like to lift heavy weights at least twice a week, you know, especially lower body. Like, once you're a rotational athlete, like, I. I never want to lose. Like, you think about what you lose with the aging process, you know, you. You lose the ability to go fast, you lose the ability to recover, and then you just lose the ability to do it, you know, day after day. Right. Unless you stay on top of. So, like, flexibility is important. So, like, yoga, Pilates, all those things to make sure that I'm staying, like, pliable. I mean, I still get body work, man. I saw in a cold tub, like, religiously. And then honestly, just the staying strong. Like, I. I wanna. I want to feel like especially part of this is maybe motivation because my boys are getting older and, like, they walk in the kitchen, they try to size you up. Don't walk up on me, boy. Yeah, yeah, you gotta.

[A]

You don't got the throwing.

[C]

Yeah, you gotta. You gotta keep pace, man. They're always eyeing you, man, like, you know, so. Yeah, so I. I feel like that's. That's what motivates me, but I. I just want to. I just want to be able to do all the things that I want to do for as long as I possibly can. I used to use the term at the end of my career, prolong my prime. I was always trying to prolong my prime with everything I was doing. So, man, from a training, recovery, all that stuff, it's almost like I'm still playing from that perspective. I still have that same mentality.

[A]

I love that. All right, time to eliminate some. Some friends. Time to break some hearts parts. Best offensive weapon that you've ever had. You got to play with Ladanian Tomilson, Jimmy Graham, Alvin Kamara, Darren Sprouls, Michael Todd. You got to play with a lot of specimens.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Who's your favorite offensive weapon you've ever played with?

[C]

I'll be honest with you, man. I might say Darren Sprols.

[A]

Oh, okay. Why these roles?

[C]

Would you want to cover Sprolls out of the backfield?

[A]

No, no. When he was in Philly and I would have him out in the flat when I was on the red Redskins, and he wouldn't catch the ball, I'd be like, hey, I'm really glad Sam Bradford did not throw you this ball out here. We pat each other on the helmet and jog back to the house.

[C]

I just. Yeah, you know what it like, you can have such a great defensive scheme, right. You can have such a great pressure or, you know, pass Rush stunt or bracket coverage or whatever, you know, on tight ends, receivers. But like, that running back out of the backfield can ruin your day as a defense and as a defensive coordinator. So I just, I, you know, talking to our own defensive coordinators when we had Sprouls and then just watching, you know, his career and obviously what I know about him, he was just such a weapon and a matchup problem. And like, we could find ways to beat you in so many, so many different ways with him. The other thing too was he didn't get enough credit as a runner yet. No, he was not a big guy. I mean, he was 5 7, 180 pounds maybe. But here's the other thing, Will. Like, hard to see him when he's behind linemen, right? Like in the zone, in the zone game. So, like, he was slippery. Slippery. And man, the minute that he like, one cut found his lane, boy, he was gone. Right. And then good luck open field tackling him.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So, like, for all those reasons, he just, he was a weapon that I, like, I call him a generational player. Like, truly, if you, if you know how to use him. And as durable as he was. And I'm not even. I didn't even talk about the special teams game. Like, him returning punts is one of the best punt returners. Probably top three, top five up of all time. All time.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So, yeah, he was, he was special.

[A]

And I think too, it's like, people don't understand, like, especially when you get in the red zone and that halfback option comes alive, you got to do like one or two things. Like as a coordinator, you're thinking, hey, Will. Or any linebacker, it's like, take away the space, stay inside. But everybody knows this running back's going to win nine times out of ten. So what do you got to do to kind of help with that out? You're going to have to give like a bam call to your edge rusher. So you're kind of taking the edge rusher out of pressure. So if you're aligning him to, hey, let's put him on the side where the best pass rusher is. And the backer back there's got to give him a bam call. He's given a bam call. Pass rushes mad he doesn't get to rush the pasture. You're kind of arguing on the sidelines like, bro, I've got like, I'm not going to be able to cut any linebacker. You're not able to cover this dude. And you're going to get. Because they Want to bracket, take away the stars everywhere else, but it's the fucking running back out of the backfield that's honestly the problem, because you're not. And again, you're not lined up. You're not on the line of scrimmage to where if you're pressing or you're playing at, say, 5 yards, it's not like the fundamental coverage of a receiver. This dude's coming out of the backfield who can stem you before he even gets to where he's actually going to make his cut. Which makes it insanely harder. Coordinators will try to put a safety down. Okay, let's get Willie boy out of the game, or let's get this backer who probably can't cover out of the game. You'll put a safety in and they show you still, 10 times out of 10, it's just not going to happen because it's not a. It's not a routine coverage snap. It blows my mind. It'll always piss me off.

[B]

Drew, you can tell that Will is. He's telling us with so much, like, fortitude. He's just so, like, aggressive. The way he's talking.

[C]

No, no. But, you know, that was the part that I forgot. Like, just from a pass rush perspective, he is exactly right. Like, whenever Sprols, he would line up in the backfield to the. To that weak side. Like, all of a sudden, that backer in a heartbeat is giving that call to the end to try to chip.

[A]

Him all the way out.

[C]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that affects the pass rush.

[B]

Right? You know. You know that Thursday, Friday, when they're going over red zone with Will, they're like, hey, you got spoils this week. They say keep it inside. Was like, I got him, coach.

[A]

No problem.

[B]

Got to make me do this.

[A]

I'm looking at coach. Oh, yeah. I'm telling you, I'm like, bro, I'm baming you. Like, that's. This is. What if I get, say, trips for our gun or I identify where I'm going to get got right? Because not all the time just at the backs, offset. But if I know I'm in this situation and I know this is what's coming. I'm baming you, bro. Like, you're going to hit that, dude. Stop rushing the passers.

[C]

Here's the other. Here's the other scroll story. And this just. This kind of just rounds out the total package. So we're playing the NERS back when they had that legit defense. This is like 2013.

[A]

Oh, yeah. P. Willis.

[C]

When we're we have the chance to go down, beat him in the end. So, right, like we're on a two minute drive and man Sprols is killing him out of the backfield, this and that. And then there's this one moment where we call a pass play. That's a man beater. And sure enough, here's Patrick Willis and Navaro Bowman, boy hitting these a gaps, right? And Sprols, he's in the backfield. And I remember like right before the play I said, hey bro, I'm not going to do this to you often, but you got to bow, you just got to bow up on this thing right now, right? Like you got to step up and you got to handle this guy. We can deliver this ball down the field in man coverage and you go kick a field, go to win this game. And dude, he steps up and hey, those dudes were Bowman. Oh yeah, like two of the best.

[A]

One of the best, One of the best tandems of all time, right?

[C]

That's who everybody was watching and supposedly comes up and bow right, right in the chest of Bowman and just holds him off for long enough, right? So we can deliver them all down the field in man coverage like Jimmy Graham in field goal range, kick this game winner. But again, like that's, that's the other part of being like a back that goes probably unappreciated. You know, you talk a lot about what they can do out of the backfield, you talk about the run game, but at times they got to step up and deliver a blow on a guy and allow you to, you know, get the ball down the field in a big situation. And Spoilsy was always willing to do that at 5 7, a buck 80 against some of these.

[A]

I love that.

[C]

Doing a 50 pound dogs.

[B]

Yeah, I love that Bud Light question. Yeah, let's get out of here. All right, Drew, we all know everyone would do anything for an ice cold, crisp Bud Light. If you could have a Bud Light with anybody in the world, past or present, who would it be?

[C]

Oh, wow, that's a good one.

[D]

Man.

[C]

You know, I'm gonna say, it's just the first name that came to mind. I'm gonna say Roger Stallbach.

[A]

Roger Stalbach. Why him?

[C]

Yeah, I just, I. We were at the Cowboys Commanders game yesterday. It was my son's birthday and his godfather is Brian Schottheimer. So we were there, we were there watching the, watching the, the Cowboys play. And I remember, I remember seeing Staubach before the game and I was just thinking like, like one of the. One of the. All time greats. One of the all time legends. There's actually a great story how I sang the Take Me out to the Ball game at Wrigley Field with Roger Stallback back when I was in college. That's a story for another time. But anyway, he's one of my all time favorites and cowboy legend and I just saw him yesterday, so that was the first name that came to mind.

[A]

I love it. Hey, we appreciate it, Drew. Thank you for coming on. Thank you for sharing all those stories. You're an absolute legend, hall of Famer, all the fun stuff. What's up?

[C]

We gotta get them on here.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. The boys. The boys in the background, they're saying.

[A]

They'Re out over here. Just pointing at the chair on the bus. We'd love to have you on the bus one day, but thank you for your time, bro.

[C]

Absolutely, man.

[B]

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Just give a round of applause for Drew. Appreciate you. Have a good. Thank you very much.

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[A]

Yeah, that was fun. Why? What? Why'd you throw a hospital ball?

[B]

That sounded like it went awesome, dude.

[A]

It was fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you guys able to hear some of that? Yeah, dude. He was fun. That was definitely one where I'm checking the time. I'm like, we're only gonna have time for a few more. But like, stories like that you'd love to get into or just his. Yeah, his speeches, his leadership.

[B]

Because you'd love to talk about, like, he's like a Peyton Manning type, right? Where he would just lose it on players at practice and like send them to the sideline.

[A]

That's the thing too. Like, him and Sean Payton, they were the first. That was the first time I experienced where. What's up, Mike?

[B]

Are we gonna.

[C]

Is this gonna be still in the pot? Are we gonna cut this part?

[A]

Oh, sorry. It could be in the pot if you feel like. This is awesome. Yeah, what I was saying too. Where was I at? Help me.

[B]

You were talking about Sean first time you experienced Sean Payton and Drew Brees.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Talking about his intensity and everything else like that. That was when I was on the Saints. That was kind of the first organization to where Sean Payton would stop practice at any point of practice if something came up. Like, not just like he had this plan, but if a moment came up or say an incompletion or something happens, he's like thinking something his mind of a situation this could be in and they all stop it. Or Drew would have one. They would all. Everybody stop practice and we would all come up as a team and he'd be breaking down the situation. So that's what I get fascinated. Because you also see clips too of. Of Drew Brees and Sean Payton sitting there the night before a game, like up late, going through every type of situational football. And I'm thinking of that type of schooling that Bo Nix is getting. And it probably will, even though he's had so many starts, the difference in college and pros and everything else to where he's still very much immersed in this, like, school of Sean Payton to where he's got the effect of wanting to learn it, but as he continues to, like, digest it, he'll like, just continue to get better because of how intense and situational. I feel like coach, Coach Payton is.

[B]

Yeah. And like you could see Bo Nix taking that next step because you're right, like college and NFL are completely different sports. So there is going to take some time. Even though Bo Nicks played 60 games or however many it was. But you see it that last drive after Jackson Dart has that running for the touchdown. The way he is working the sidelines and with time in the middle of the field. He's from a situational football standpoint, he's figuring it out quickly.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because they know exactly the yard line they have to get to. You don't have like the red line on the screen that all of us are watching and they know like, hey, our kicker is great. Best from this area, from this hash. He's working it. It's. It's very impressive to see.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that, that makes a lot of sense. You're talking about like Sean Payton sitting there. He sees the situation at practice like, let's break this down for everybody so they know the situation. Yeah, that's awesome. That's just good coaching. Get you juiced up.

[A]

I can't imagine you're in those situations where there's like, there's no timeouts left. You're in a double wall situation to where you're forcing them to throw the ball to the inside. They might gain yardage, but they're trying to maybe gain yardage and kick a field goal to where it's like however much time is left on the clock, let's call it anywhere between like 12 and 16 seconds. To where it's like there it's a per second margin on hey, this isn't good to call double wall yet or we're all going to this. The call is going to be double wall to where. In college, the coaching staff might know this and the players don't, but in the NFL, like everybody has, everybody has to understand what's going on to where they're quizzing you throughout the week and everything else, hey, this situation happens. It's very specific, very particular. We're not going to be able to rep it in the game. We might run it one time and walk through every other week just to stay refreshed on it. But it's like it's those situations where all players have to understand the situational awareness of. Of the NFL.

[B]

And you could tell the Giants were doing that in that last drive because at the one where Bo nicks those to the middle of the field, what ends up getting them into field goal range. There's two wide receivers that are running similar routes where it seems like, oh, there might have been.

[A]

Yeah, like Cortland.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He started the Courtland side. Right.

[B]

And it kind of goes past him. But in that situation, if you're the. If you're Dable, you're the Giants coach, you need to be telling these guys on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, if we're in this position where I make him throw to the middle field and we're in that toy to 16 second mark, one guy makes a tackle, let's get two or three guys on top of him as well.

[A]

Right. Don't get a penalty. Don't lay on them a little longer.

[B]

Lay on them, let it drag out where they have to kind of push you off because they kick that ball with what, two seconds left on the clock. And what's that? They spiked it. Right. And so they might not be able to put themselves in the position to spike it. If you have not just one guy on there, but 1, 2, 3 guys where it's like, we got to get this guy off. That's just little things you can do when the seconds matter more than anything else. And you're forcing the quarterback to throw it to the middle of the field.

[A]

Right, Right. I want to say there was a situation like that in college. Did somebody on here post a clip of like, you know, somebody catching the ball? He's on the ground, everybody's kind of like laying on him or diving on him. That was me that posted that. And honestly, it was taking a little bit. Everybody was saying I was getting upset with the refs. Really. I was mad at our play call, but it was before the half. We run a play, we're trying to hurry up and clock it, and their players were laying on top of us blatantly. That was one where it's like, that's a little. That's where. That's where you probably will see a flag because you got to kind of. If you get the tackle, make sure you're on top and just take your time getting up. But it did seem like a few players were. They were just like shoving him down and then walking off.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We're just getting. That is. That is a penalty.

[B]

That is.

[A]

Should have.

[B]

That should absolutely be a penalty. But yeah, it's that kind of stuff that just kind of details changes one little thing. Because you watch that Giants Broncos game, like Giants own that entire game had it. And then Jackson dart throws a bad pick late in the fourth quarter that lets them come back. I don't know what the Exact score.

[A]

Was that many points too, within like the last six minutes.

[B]

Yeah. There were three lead changes in the last six minutes.

[A]

Touchdown, Touchdown. Touchdown. Touchdown. Field goal. Going into the fourth quarter, Bo Nix had like 11 fantasy points and then he. He finished with 39. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because my other league still lost. But when I saw him still have 30 something because I'm like checking. I'm like, I'm checking the game through fantasy. And I did see him have like, he didn't have very many points. Like, well, you know, Bo Nicks, like giants, they must be. They must be the real deal. And then when I saw. I got home in time to watch the end of that game and they're like four total touchdowns. I got there right when he was running that like QB design run when they scored to go up and then Jackson, they. They go down. Couple, you know, calls like that PI call was a little. I thought, suspect that they called on Riley Moss.

[B]

Exciting game.

[A]

We want to save that. I know we. We got Zach Bond coming on soon, right?

[B]

Yeah. So let's. Let's temper it. Let's get to Zach Bond.

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[B]

Buddy. First off, I know we got a lot of football to get into, but that house, man, something about forest green for me really sets the tone.

[A]

You.

[B]

Did you. Did you build this house yourself? Do you paint it yourself? What's going on?

[D]

Did not build it, but we did have it painted. Yes.

[A]

Nice. Nice. Everybody's got to paint their house.

[B]

Everybody's got to paint their house.

[D]

This is that front sitting room that you never use. Yeah, that's what I'm in right now.

[B]

Yeah, get it in. That's dialed up, man. First off, congrats on the big win.

[D]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. Needed that one Gbot, bro.

[A]

So stoked to have you. I think you are phenomenal. I think it's super impressive that you're somebody that's been able to move from the outside to the inside. I do have to ask. Cam. Scatter. Boo.

[D]

Ooh.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Not my dog.

[C]

That's one of.

[D]

One of those guys you watch on film and you're like, dang, he runs hard, but you don't really know until you feel it yourself. So I'm glad we got him this week.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

I'll just say that.

[A]

And he caught you kind of sideways, too. If I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. I know you can run. I know you can hit, but he kind of had you sideways. And just watching from the side angle, seeing you go a couple of years, oh, shit, that one ain't.

[D]

Yeah, that was a run across the field and get my ass smacked type play right there.

[B]

Listen, we. We all. We have all got.

[D]

I got to the sideline, I'm like. I'm like, hey, did it look bad? Did it look bad?

[A]

It's one of those when you're watching next week in position meetings, too, like, you know, you guys had a tough loss, but just sitting there And T or a defensive meeting or position meeting, you're just like, all right, go ahead, skip through this one.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. You get to that plan, you just put your head down, hoping. We just. We just skip over a couple of your buddies looking over you in the corner like, God damn, that happened to you?

[A]

Yeah. But hey, yeah.

[B]

What has the energy been like in that building? You guys obviously had a big, big week this week. Jalen hurts, throws for a billion yards. Everybody's been saying you guys can't throw the ball. Everyone's like, hey, this is the best put together team. But we're lacking on deep. There's been so much noise on the outside revolving around the Philadelphia Eagles. What has it been like in the building for you guys? Keeping the main thing. The main thing?

[D]

Yeah, I think the, the noise in the, in the media is a lot louder than the noise in the locker room. Like, we get. We get to the locker room and it's like, what, what's, what's the big fuss like? We're winning games. For the most part, we're winning games and we're doing an overall good job. So I think it's all blown out of proportion and just keeping the main thing. The main thing is the biggest thing. Winning games.

[A]

A couple weeks ago, when it was the Giants and just from your. From your vantage point watching it happen, the four tush pushes in a row to go in and score, knowing it was like, was it fourth and short or third and short? It's like, okay, we're going to get two opportunities at these. You get it. You're on the one yard line. You continue to just do the tush push. I know, watching it on tv, I'm sitting there. These dudes are really doing four tush pushes in a row.

[D]

Yeah. Usually I'm the guy that's like, yep, run it, run it again, run it again. But after the third time, I'm like, all right, all right, we gotta try something different.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But the thing is, it was. It works. And if you run a play that works, why not keep running it?

[B]

Yeah. You got the. The Giants, second time in three weeks this week. What are the. What are some things? You can go and watch the film, but from you as a player, being on that field, when you guys played them on Thursday Night Football, what are the things that they did so well that made it difficult for you guys on defense?

[D]

Yeah, I think just the theme this year has been like, as defending champions, like, we're going to get everyone's best shot. Everyone's Going to come at us like with the, with their, their best game, like their best game plan, the physicality, their intensity and that's what it was, that game. So just combating that and coming with some swag at home.

[A]

What was the tape like? Obviously it was a bad taste. But is this a game now you, you beat the Vikings, which was a massive win for you guys especially again with all the noise offensively, the question marks. Even defensively, you guys haven't played your best football. I know you guys have had injuries, but once that game is over against the Vikings, is there like a salivation going on getting the Giants again this quickly after the loss?

[D]

Yeah, it's very rare that you play a team two times like that close. Sometimes it'll be like one at the beginning of the season and then one at the end. But to get them this close is. It's kind of weird to be honest. But good for us because we lost and we get it. Get to get our lick back. But yeah, just got to get after.

[A]

It, honestly, because, you know, like after New York wins that game in the fashion that they did do it, it's like, you see, it's like you got all the bulletin board material in the world to just to be like licking your chops for this game. You got the jet, you know, the creatine Caucasians, Jackson dark camp, Scatter Boo. They're, they're like scatter Booze out there. Posing shirtless like he's going viral for headbutting walls and shit. Gets the hit on Ozak Bond. I know you're gonna be pissed off, brother. Ready to go.

[D]

Come on, man. I gotta, we gotta get our lick back. We're too competitive in this game to, to just lay down and take it like that.

[B]

Buddy. I want to talk to you real quick about you signing a one year deal for three and a half million dollars with the Eagles. You're a prove it deal and you became an all pro in that. Like for all the players watching who sit there and they've been the situation where they know they can be this caliber of player and they have to go into a prove it deal. Like, what is the mindset? What is the takeover for you to go not only become an all pro guy, but be wearing the green dot for a elite defense who wins the super bowl and then eventually getting a. What was this? The number was too big for the piece of paper. A three year, $51 million contract extension after that, like had to be a lot of ups and downs and thought process when you're leaving the Saints, going to the Eagles. And that year, the offseason, what was.

[A]

That like for you as an inside back tracker too?

[D]

Yeah, yeah. Leaving the Saints, I had, I had like two paths I could have gone down. I could have like stuck with being a special teams guy and played my role and done a good job at that and played a long time, made some money. But there was something in me that was like, man, I know I can play. I know I can play whether it's inside or outside. And I talk with my agent, my wife, my family, and they're like, give it another shot. Like, don't give up on yourself just yet. And. And I didn't know what position I was going to play coming to the Eagles until I'm at the front door meeting the inside linebacker coach's hand and I'm like, all right, I guess I'm inside. Let's figure this out. And we had a lot of new guys and the culture here is so good. So I just jumped right in and started winning games and playing well.

[A]

Absolute specimen, being a special teams demon because you can run. I'm sitting here looking right now, it's, what am I seeing here? Holds his high school 200 meter record. Ran a 21.5 at 220 pounds. Like, are you somebody who's sitting there talking with the boys on teams when they're talking about who the fastest guy is?

[D]

They never throw me in that conversation. But I always need to get my respect. Like, I'm fast too, bro.

[A]

You can fly. You can fly. I also see that you were, you played quarterback in high school through for about 2,000 yards and 20 touchdowns.

[D]

Yeah, I played quarterback, but I was really just like small town athlete, you know, get it in his hands. Every time I was running the ball, I would drop back knowing I'm about to take off and run.

[C]

So it was a lot of, a lot of rushing.

[A]

We got to work on him. Just talking like, yeah, I was that dude. Yeah, like, yeah, but you know, I was small.

[B]

He, you know what he is, he thinks he's talking to the real media right now, as if we're gonna do anything about it. Over arrogant linebacker. Thought he was the man in high school. Bro, if you're a cat, I'm assuming you went both ways on the football field and you're playing quarterback, dropping back and it's like, yeah, you all know I'm going to run, but I'm still going to go off on you guys no matter what.

[D]

Yeah, there was some confidence There for sure.

[B]

Yeah. All right. You know, a little something.

[A]

You know, he had the chin strap. Chin strap unbuckled, feeling like Michael Vick at times.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What kid didn't do that?

[D]

Mouth guard hanging out. Yeah, that was me.

[B]

What, what's your. What's your thought process when you look at the Big Ten and you see the state of your ALMA material, the Wisconsin Badgers right now? I hate doing this. Oh, but it's tough for Luke Fickle and the boys, man. What. What's going on there?

[D]

I couldn't tell you, man. It's when you think. Let me ask you, when you think of Wisconsin football, what do you think?

[B]

I think about game, run game, offensive linemen that all could be in the NFL. Just three yards and a cloud of dust until 60, 40, 50 happens.

[A]

And I'm thinking, also thinking linebackers, your guys's defensive front seven.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

We're thinking 13 personnel, 21, 22 extra alignment, corn fed Wisconsin farm boys.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. When you watch them now. That's not what I'm seeing. That's not what I'm seeing. So I. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to. I'll keep my comments to myself, but I. We need to win some games.

[A]

You know, you don't have to say anything. I just know for me, like, I was fired up for the fickle hire. I thought he was one of the best head coaches when he left Cincinnati. So I'm sitting here completely surprised that he hasn't been able to get Wisconsin going because you guys have been good. I mean, you guys whooped our ass, but you guys have been good for a long time. I feel like running the ball, playing defense. I feel like Fickle. Like, I, It's. I don't know a whole lot about him other than how he did in Cincinnati. And I know he's like, him and Vrabel were. They're best friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Something. Okay. He's gonna bring this chip on shoulder mentality, like this swagger, this no nonsense, all hard work, everything else to Wisconsin. So I'm like, I'm shocked. I'm sure, like, everybody else is just that fickle hasn't worked out there.

[B]

Yeah, I'm. I'm with you on that.

[D]

Part of me was like giving him the benefit, benefit of the doubt. Like, okay, he's got to get his guys in here to like, yeah. If we're going to switch the system and switch what we do, like, we need different players. We can't have these big old Linemen running the spread offense sense. So maybe just give it some time to develop and get some different guys in there.

[B]

Exciting whites. You get to play with them on every single down. They took the world by storm last year. They ended up starting their own podcast. Talk to me about what? Cooper, Dajeed and Reed Blinking Ship are on the field. How are these guys? Are they big communicators? Like, are these two dudes you hate? Just let them go play. I want to know about their play style, what kind of camaraderie we have in the locker room.

[D]

Karu. Yeah, I'll start with Reed. Reed's the biggest communicator at the safety spot. He. He like demands the.

[A]

The.

[D]

The coverage aspect of our defense and. And a really good player. He knows what's going on. He knows what's coming. And then Coop is just a dog, like a do it all. He's strong in the run game coming up. Making tackles can cover a. The exciting whites are. Are doing their thing.

[B]

They are too. You pop on the field. They are doing their thing around.

[A]

We're putting together a good football team at the end of this year.

[D]

What team am I on?

[A]

I personally, I love to claim you. I love the claim you and say Zach Bond is. Will be our green dot on defense. Listen, if you weren't asking me and I broke this down myself, in December, you'll be on the team. And then from there, it's what happens. Whenever, you know, guys kind of see it, they're thinking, you know, I'm not on the all white team. I want to say who is the. Who's the safety for the Ravens? Who?

[D]

Kyle Hamilton.

[B]

Kyle Hamilton.

[A]

Hamilton. I claimed him a couple years ago, but they were kind of breaking down the footage and he said on a plane right after the game that he was a part of the all White team. And I like, hey, buddy, we got you. Like, he went to Notre Dame, right? You know, we get to kind of have him for a year. So. So it's more of like, I'll put the ball in your court. I tell you what, we love to have you. I'm talking we'll roll the red carpet out for your recruiting visit. You there might be a lot more ego and guys trying to figure out who's going to be playing on the roster. I can guarantee you a starting spot right now on the all white squad. You want to have it, you'll be there. You got half yourself. You got half the secondary already.

[D]

You got to set your parameters on like, what are you doing with the mix. The mix guys.

[A]

Yeah, it's usually. It's usually if they say. It's usually if they say the word or not.

[C]

Not.

[A]

They walk around, they're saying the word. It's, you know, kind of the language barrier a little bit. That's kind of my parameters. And I'm like, he seems like a. Seems like a type of guy who, who's going to be on the All White squad this year.

[B]

Are you. So you bringing this up? Are you saying, hey, Will Compton, I would like to be on the All White team this year. I like to make that squad.

[D]

It's. It's. You guys are the head coaches, I guess.

[A]

Yeah. Trust me.

[B]

You got.

[D]

Cause I already got the dishing and dealing.

[A]

I already got the pitch for you. You got Reed, you got Cooper DeJean. Riley Moss is out there in Denver. Super familiar with Cooper Dean. You guys are communicating on the back end as well as any. Any unit in the country. So listen, we would thrive. We would thrive with you on the All White. Hey, what's this? I want you to school me up here. What is this? What is this Runscape I'm hearing about?

[B]

Run.

[A]

Runescape. Runescape. What is this Runescape I'm hearing about? You know, you did a.

[B]

A.

[A]

You did a shout out for the Eagles. Their social post is going viral. You played it big time as a kid.

[D]

Runescape's a. An old game that I used to play as a kid. I. I think it came out like early 2000s, like retro, kind of like a World of Warcraft type game that I just found out they have on mobile now. So I hopped back on and really been enjoying it.

[B]

Did you ever play.

[D]

Have you guys played?

[B]

No. No.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

You could tell by Will's pronunciation of the game. He hasn't played. Played the game. But I also have not played the game. You bring up World of Warcraft. Are you familiar at all with Diablo?

[D]

No.

[B]

Damn it.

[A]

Ask him about that. Ask him about that dinosaur one.

[B]

Oh, Ark. You. Are you familiar with the game Ark?

[C]

I've heard of Ark.

[D]

I've heard of Arc. I play. I played for probably 20 minutes and I didn't like it.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's fair because when you start, you're basically in survival mode for the first 50 levels before you can essentially sustain a life with these prehistoric animals. It's very different, difficult to do. But I. I found myself in a very weird world with Ark. My wife's. One of my wife's best friends. Met a guy on Ark. They are now married. In Canada. It's a long story. You have too much, you don't have enough time.

[A]

We can talk some arc. My problem with ARK is just that you could build up all these levels, but if some crew comes in and takes you over, you're starting from ground zero.

[B]

Right, Right. That's why you need to.

[A]

Yeah. When you turn the game off, like, you're still like sleep, sleeping. You're alive.

[B]

Right. You have to like essentially go to bed in the game at any point. And it's always, I'm not gonna say the ethnicity that gets you, but there's a one, there's one ethnicity that always comes and gets your ass while you're gone. No, you're right, you're right, you're right. But my buddy of my wife's friend, she got married to a guy named Joe who's like, gotta be top 50 player in the world. And we meet him via online and now we're like riding around in jet packs like we, we're living kush out there in the ARK world. You got to come back and revisit for a second.

[A]

I love back in like the Old Testament days, you're marrying for like supreme protection.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she married into somebody who's a top 50 player.

[B]

It's exactly, that's exactly what she's doing right now. Talk to me about Vic Fangio. What kind of DC are we. Is he like a players coach type of guy? Is he a hard nose cat? He's got a good personality on him.

[A]

Like break him down, see, like, oh, he could be in a bad mood today. Let's not jab him a whole lot.

[D]

Yeah, no, he's kind of a players coach and a, like a hard nosed guy. He wants everyone to succeed and do their best, but at the same time he's like gonna get on you to do it. But it's not, it's direct and indirect at the same time. Like he's, he'll drill into guys but then he'll also like throw a little shade or jabs. It's all accountability is what it comes down to.

[A]

Somebody I'm absolutely terrified by is Jalen Carter.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Is there is anybody saying a word to him after the Dallas Cowboys game? From week one? When he spit game. Yeah, when he, when the whole spit thing happened, or is that kind of like, ah, he probably knows we're just gonna, we're gonna let the old boy be.

[D]

He knew what he did. He knew immediately that what he did was wrong. But, but yeah, we, we went up and talked to him, like, you can't be doing that, obviously. But there was a time last year and I'm new, so I don't really know JC, it's probably Game 3 or 4. He does what he does and swims out of his gap to make a play. I get it. But I in the game, in the moment, I'm like, you gotta be in your gap. Like, come on. And he's like, don't tell me how to play football, bro. And I'm like, hey, yeah, go ahead. Hey, I'll make you. Right.

[B]

Yeah, you know what, jc, you're absolutely right. I should have been in your gap in that situation. I saw what you were doing there.

[A]

ZB's trying to do some like leadership stuff like. Hey, hey, hey, come on. Hey, I need you in this gap.

[B]

When you do that.

[A]

This is how it hurts the back end, man. Shut up. Don't teach me how to play football.

[B]

Hey, big dog, that's on me. Yeah, you're right.

[A]

You know what?

[D]

Really, really good dude though. Really good dude. Solid dude. Great football, no doubt.

[B]

Sounds like a terrifying dude, but a solid dude nonetheless.

[D]

Like this is a guy on our team.

[B]

Yes, that's the guy. 100%.

[A]

He's a really good dude. Yeah. As long as he's got my back. He's got my back.

[B]

I picture like Zach, bon and like five other guys that way over 280 walking up to JC being like, you understand like we probably shouldn't spit on guys, right? And just kind of like waiting to see how he handles it.

[A]

Or like when they're walking up to him like, hey, so zb, you're going to say, are you going to say the first? Just like, are you gonna start the conversation? Then I'll come in.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And then ZB walks up, he's like, hey man, Lane wanted to tell you something real quick. I just wanted to let you know. And then just put Lane John Lane Johnson under the bus. Like, hey, you gotta handle this.

[D]

The funniest thing is on punt, like punt safe. When we leave our defense out there, just going up to the like the right guard and be like ajc his ass up.

[B]

That poor bastards buckling his.

[A]

Chest drop a little bit tighter bumps in there right guard. And I'm just hearing that and I'm just like, hey, big dog, like you know, we can.

[B]

Well you're. This is pun safe.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I promise you we're not, we, we are not running.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. We're not running fake.

[B]

I'm not. I swear to God, dude, one guy that brought up JC and, like, the. Hey, you got a. This guy. Awesome guy, but definitely. You don't want to get on his bad side. Big Dom was talking about him when we were at camp. You don't seem like the guy that Big Dom has to deal with all of the time, but how crucial is Big Dom to the Philadelphia Eagles?

[D]

Big Dom is huge. He's got all the little insights on everyone. He knows, what everyone around the building is doing, who they're talking to, who they're hanging out with. He's. He's intertwined not only with the Eagles, but, like, the whole city.

[B]

He's.

[D]

He's in there.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I'm picking up what you're putting down, Sopranos.

[D]

I mean, he might be. He might be. Not confirmed.

[B]

Not confirmed. That's exactly how he wants it. He wants us guessing.

[A]

It's one of those. I feel like Big Dom's, like, the noise could be super loud around the Eagles. The locker room, it's like. It's louder than it is in the locker room. But if you want to know something, you just go up like, hey, Big Dom, do we have this? Is everything kind of figured out with so and so or between these guys and. Yeah, you kind of like a nod? Yeah, we got it taken care of.

[B]

Yeah. Dom's always a guy that's gonna be like, yeah, yeah, I'm handling. I'm handling it. No problem.

[A]

Should we do a Bud Light question?

[B]

Yeah, stupid Light question.

[A]

All right, Zach, people who do anything for an ice cold Bud Light, no doubt having a Bud Light with somebody who is somebody that you'd love to sit down and have an ice cold Bud Light with, whether it's past, present, somebody that you just love to have a few beers with, some conversations, some fun.

[B]

Could be anybody.

[A]

Anybody.

[D]

I'll keep it in the football world. And I'll say, Darren Rizzi, the special teams coordinator for the Broncos. Yeah, no, great dude. Great dude. Awesome dude. He was my coordinator with the Saints.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I would definitely have more than one Bud Light with him.

[A]

Dude, he always had the vibes high. When I was again there for a cup of coffee, I. You'd go into the special teams meeting, and there you guys would have shirts going on.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Plays that get made. And everybody seemed to love this dude. And then when he was the interim head coach, coach, what was it a couple years ago where he stepped in?

[D]

Yeah, last year.

[A]

Yeah, last year. And out of the gate, I want to say the Saints, they ended up winning a couple games with Them.

[B]

It always happens with interim head coach. Except for the Titans.

[D]

Just a great dude. Just a great dude.

[A]

Especially when it's a special teams coordinator, too.

[B]

So you two play together with the Saints?

[A]

I don't know if. I don't know possibly.

[D]

I wasn't. I wasn't with you. I was like right after you.

[A]

Yeah, because you were 20.

[D]

You were there in 2019.

[A]

2019 was when I was there in training camp. For a moment I was ready to light the world on fire. But, you know, I caught a little ankle sprain.

[B]

A little ankle sprain. How to get that little seventh package.

[A]

Alex Angelone was down and they had, I want to say, maybe a couple, like inside backers that were down. So I ended up getting brought in around the third preseason game. Went into the fourth preseason game to get reps at like one base before we got ready for week one because they needed a base Mike backer, basically, essentially, until Alex Anzalone's shoulder got right. Right. And then I went down in that fourth preseason game and. Which sucked because the vibes of the Saints seemed awesome. The locker room seemed the all time and Rizzy. He was talking about like, guys, just everybody. Like, that was a fun organization for the moment. I was there at practice was fun, everything.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And then after that I got a little injury settlement and then they. That's when they traded for Kiko Alonzo. And then Alex Anzalone comes back nice with the Lions, like playing some good ball.

[B]

Gotcha.

[A]

But yeah, yeah.

[D]

It seems like everyone that leaves the Saints is playing good ball right now.

[B]

Right?

[D]

Everyone's. Everyone that leaves the Saints has a C on their chest playing. Playing good football.

[A]

Yeah. And then the old guard, the captains like Cam Jordan and Demario Davis, like, they're still sticking around and it's like, boys, we've got to put some good ball together right now. We got our teeth have been cut in this organization for too long.

[B]

No doubt about it.

[D]

Tough times down there.

[B]

Zach, we appreciate you coming on the show, man. Man, this has been awesome. I can't wait for December when Will comes out with his all white, all black team. I'm assuming I don't do.

[A]

I'll do the other side. That's for everybody else. Oh, yeah.

[B]

I'm sorry. All white team. That's right. Yeah. I think the line right now, the futures line is minus what, 31 and a half?

[A]

No, I truly. I don't think it's that deep at all. I promise you we got a squad and we get better each and every year. A new DB comes in the league.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay, you think that's where your light always department?

[A]

I think, yeah, a thousand percent. I mean think of what other position group are we potentially lighting? Like we're deep along the trenches. We got second level players. We got us, you know, tight end. We got guys like a wide receiver. Surprisingly we got some good depth there. Yeah. Puka Nakua, he hasn't said nothing over the last couple years, so. Well, I've been able to claim him and get away with it.

[D]

That's, that's that, that he's poly though. In between.

[A]

That is in between.

[B]

The Paulies. The Paulies are fair game.

[A]

I'm thinking Paulie, he was what, a fifth round guy?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that's easy. Grinder type of cat grinder mentality.

[B]

Yeah. Ran a little slower. A little slower. 40 like just put the tape on. He's got game speed. That's when you know that's our guy. You know that's our guy.

[A]

All we got to do is just filter, just filter this episode just a little, little bit more. Cuz right now we got Zach. We got Zach.

[B]

Bon. Yeah. And it's going to come out, people. Zach, how you feel about this? And it's up to you to be standing there. You're going to be on a plane on an away game. JC, JC's going to coach you and be like, man, what's this about?

[A]

I. Dude, you got the B head, you got a nice goatee going on that screams I got a Harley in the, in the garage.

[D]

Hey, we like to have fun. Is your hair growing back, Will?

[A]

I'll show you. It's. It's grown back pretty well. I do have kind of the M set and it's a little lighter in the cul de sac here. You could land a plane on it if you wanted to. But we're coming back pretty strong right now, in my opinion. Yeah, I like my headset.

[D]

Are you gonna grow, grow it out or was that like a test? Test to see if you had to shave it.

[A]

My wife really wants me to grow it out. But I'll be honest, I really don't mind the short hair life. Even the bald head. I didn't mind the bald head. Look, you think like you're a fellow bald guy. Like, would you love me repping the bald squad?

[D]

Absolutely. It's all about, it's all about the head shape. Like if you got a solid head shape, you can. And facial hair you can, you can join.

[A]

So you think I, I pull up.

[D]

The head shape Well, I, I think it's solid. Once you get a little tan up up top there, you'll be all right.

[A]

That's the key. That's the key. Get some sunlight on it. Dude, we appreciate you, man. Thank you for taking time on a Monday. Good luck this week. Get, get, get your guys revenge back. Get the Mojo going again in the off season. We would absolutely love to have you on the bus so we can do a little bit more long form. We're not in the middle of the season. You know, a couple things we gotta, you know, you gotta kind of, hey, we're having fun on the show, but also we're in the middle of the season.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But dude, we'd love to have you on in Nashville in the off season.

[D]

Yeah, I gotta get down there. Have to be sick.

[A]

Appreciate it, brother.

[B]

Appreciate you, everybody. Give him a round of applause.

[D]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Thank you, bro.

[B]

Coming on, man. It is a pain in the ass to do this during the season, so it does mean a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Is this the first virtual one you guys have done?

[A]

We've just started kind of doing virtuals. You're kind of. He's like the first player that we've had after a game virtual. We've been trying to get like college coaches will hop on. We haven't gotten any NFL coach yet, but we've kind of pivoted to where we're going to get some more virtual stuff just because people love talking football 24 7.

[B]

Yeah. This, this season, it's either football or not.

[D]

Nothing.

[B]

If we put anything else out there other than football, we're like, get it out of here.

[A]

But yeah, you're the first player, so we appreciate you.

[D]

Yeah, you guys are killing it, dude. I'm sorry I missed you during training camp.

[A]

Oh, you're good, man.

[B]

All good.

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You're good, man.

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Big dog, take care of us. Appreciate you, man.

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