Jason Kelce On Taylor Swift & Travis, New Heights, Life After NFL + The Boys On ESPN | Bussin’

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Bussin’ With The Boys

Podcast Summary: Jason Kelce On Taylor Swift & Travis, New Heights, Life After NFL + The Boys On ESPN

Release Date: September 2, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of Bussin’ With The Boys transitions from a rowdy, in-depth college football and NFL week one recap into a deep-dive interview with the legendary Jason Kelce. The Boys break down locker room culture, hot coaching seats, program identities, and fan bases, before welcoming Jason to discuss his journey from Cincinnati walk-on to NFL icon, the New Heights podcast with Travis, and life after football.

The show closes with candid and heartfelt discussions about Kelce family values, the Taylor Swift/Travis Kelce relationship, and future plans—while keeping their signature blend of banter and behind-the-scenes stories.

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Key Discussion Points, Insights & Timestamps

1. Housekeeping & Show Updates (06:00–11:50)

• New BWTB Programming: Moving recaps to Mondays, interviews on Tuesdays, with more streaming and NFL partnership content coming, anchored by appearances on ESPN's "Get Up".
• Roundtable banter about team wins, live events, upcoming merch, and fan engagement (Tear Talk Segment).
• Quote:
  “The boys have fully sold out... But nothing will be changing with Bussin' With The Boys.” — Will, (08:52)

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2. College Football & NFL Week One Recap (13:35–62:10)

Alabama Crisis & Identity Check (13:42–20:40)

• Alabama’s uncharacteristic effort and culture issues post-Saban
  • Players seen with DoorDash at the hotel before game day
  • Analyst: “When you get off the bus at Alabama, it used to be feared. That’s gone.” — [15:12, Alabama Fan]
• Genuine concerns about discipline, buy-in, player leadership, transfer portal risk.

Standouts, Overreactions, and the Arch Manning Debut (27:21–57:59)

• Skeptical optimism for Alabama, gauntlet SEC schedules, Tennessee looking sharp, Nebraska’s anxiety-inducing win in Kansas City.
• Arch Manning: Intense scrutiny as Texas falls to Ohio State, but hosts argue it’s more a credit to Matt Patricia’s defense than to Arch’s shortcomings.
  “He’s gonna get stuff cleaned up... I don’t think Arch Manning’s dead whatsoever.” — Will [48:06]
• Week one overreactions abound, but the consensus is to trust process.

Notable Team Observations

• Nebraska’s gritty win (plus field goal improvement, turnover luck, gritty defense)
• Michigan’s Bryce Underwood debut stirs “unhealthy optimism” thanks to poise and arm talent.
• South Carolina’s upside and Shane Beamer’s culture-building.

Memorable Moments:

• [41:05] Mitch admits he's a "casual" Ohio State fan:
  “I am a casual Ohio State fan.”
• Debates on who the greatest NFL player is—Taysom Hill’s versatility gets serious consideration!
  “Backyard football, you’re taking Taysom Hill over Tom Brady.” — Taylor, [66:19]

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3. Special Guest: Jason Kelce Interview (118:54–217:53)

Early Life & College Years (127:03–134:56)

• Walk-on mentality at Cincinnati, value of chip-on-shoulder and how being overlooked shaped his approach.
  • “If I’d have been a scholarship player, I don’t know how I would have handled being told to move to offensive line.”—Jason, [128:04]
• Center position learning curve and defensive background aiding offensive line play.

NFL Ascension & Career Reflections (135:02–180:25)

• “I got a very blessed...outstanding opportunity.” — on locking in the Philly starting job, [140:14]
• Discusses importance of Howard Mudd, Jeff Stoutland, and how technique and mentality changes extended his career.
• Offers rare insight into Eagles culture:
  “They’ve always kind of changed, but also kept certain pieces around...what it is to be on the Eagles, kind of there.” — Jason, [165:34]

Locker Room, Leadership, & Chip Kelly Era (143:27–147:33)

• Candid look at NFL politics, Chip Kelly’s impact (what worked, what didn’t), adapting to new wave ideas.
• “He was on the cutting edge of everything... but with that, there were also a lot of things that we were kind of shooting from the hip.”—Jason, [145:47]

Teammates, Coaches, & Super Bowl Run (151:07–175:16)

• Playing with Michael Vick (“I had never been starstruck until that moment.” [149:56])
• Lane Johnson’s growth:
  “The good times are great, but when you're going through the shit with people and they don't give up on you...that's when real bonds are made.” — Jason, [188:25]
• The infamous Nick Foles rumor, confirmed with good humor and great storytelling.

New Heights Podcast, Family, and Life After Ball (194:00–217:53)

• Decision to start the podcast:
  “We hit lightning in a bottle...luckily, there wasn't a lot of bad to come on the podcast about.” — Jason, [195:10]
• Reflections on fatherhood, Kelce family values, and parent tributes. “At all times, I know my brother's intentions and who he is as a person...everything he does, I think, would lead to him finding somebody that would want to be with him for all the right reasons and more.” — Jason on Travis and Taylor, [210:29]
• Jason’s overwhelming gratitude and humility, including his own sappy best man speech for Travis and Taylor Swift's upcoming wedding.

Final Segment: Rapid Fire, Beer Olympics, Closing Cheers (212:46–217:53)

• Hilarious story: Jason unknowingly spends a whole Sunday drinking non-alcoholic beer.
  “I've been drinking non-alcoholic beer the entire day. There's the most amount of shame I've ever felt in myself.” — Jason, [212:15]
• Discussed possibility of a joint Beer Olympics with the Boys, to benefit charity.

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Notable Quotes

• On Travis & Taylor:
  “They are unbelievably supportive of each other and both of their outlandishly successful worlds… To watch them support each other, love each other, and get to this stage and now to have this together, I'm just… very happy for him.” [208:48]
• On Football’s Toll:
  “I just don’t think I would have made it. My body was like firmly like, I’m done, man.” [172:30]
• On Eagles Culture:
  “You lose sometimes the chemistry and camaraderie... but keeping those pieces [of the locker room] around—it’s a credit to [Jeffrey] and Howie.” [165:34]
• On Leadership:
  “The good times are great, but when you're going through the shit with people and they don't give up on you... that's when real bonds are made.” [188:25]
• Nick Foles, the legend:
  “Most of the time when the myths are that prevalent, there’s some truth behind them.”—Jason, [186:04]

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Jason Kelce Interview: Segment Guide

| Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------------|------------| | College/Cincy walk-on & O-line transition | 127:03–134:56 | | NFL draft/Combine/Philly breakthrough | 135:02–140:14 | | Chip Kelly era/Eagles culture | 143:27–147:33 | | Vick, D-Jax, and Eagles legends | 149:56–156:43 | | Super Bowl years, Nick Foles | 184:49–186:58 | | Retirement process and emotional closure | 171:12–173:30 | | New Heights Podcast & rise of player media | 194:00–196:39 | | Taylor Swift, Travis, and family love | 208:11–211:12 | | Fatherhood, marriage, and family tributes | 201:18–204:04 | | Closing, Beer Olympics & future collab | 212:15–217:53 |

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Tone, Vibe, and Takeaways

• Tone: Raw, funny, brotherly, honest, with both irreverence and deep sincerity.
• Vibe: Inside jokes and storytelling from real football lifers, but occasionally wistful as the legends reflect on careers and family.
• For listeners:
  • A must-listen for fans of Jason Kelce and the Kelce family
  • Deep football insights, leadership lessons, and love for the game
  • Plenty for Swifties: emotional details and candid affirmation of the Travis-Taylor saga

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"New Heights," Taylor Swift, and the Kelce Family (Highlight Clips)

• [208:11] — “I love my brother and I just want him to have...the most fulfilled, best life possible. And such a huge part of that is...who you end up raising a family with. I know the kind of person he is, and...Taylor... I just think that they match so well together.”
• [210:29] — “Eventually, I think it works out when you go through life with that…he lives his life the right way.”
• [209:30] — “Did we just hear a best man speech?” — Taylor, after Jason summarizes all his love and hopes for Travis and Taylor.

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Final Thought

From locker room war stories to proud big brother moments, this episode is a testament to both the joy and struggle of football and family. Jason Kelce’s candor and humor shine—whether discussing the trenches, the podcast boom, or true love on the biggest stage.

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For More

• For the complete “New Heights” and Taylor Swift conversation, listen 208:11–211:12.
• Full football Xs & Os breakdowns littered throughout 13:35–90:00.
• Jason’s most sentimental family reflections and life after ball: 201:18–204:04.
• Jokes, banter, and future plans to collab for charity Beer Olympics: 216:17–217:53.

Transcript

[A]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Bust with the Boys, episode 344 with Jason Kelsey. Now if you are a tier one of this show and you watch us every single week, I need you to stick around for this intro because we have a whole lot of updates going into the NFL season and college football. College football season. If you're a New Heights fan, a Taylor Swift fan, if you're a Swiftie in general, you love Travis Kelce, you love New Heights and you're here for the very first time. We do a lot of breakdown on what happened this last college football weekend. If you're not feeling that, you can go to the time codes, check them boys out and you can see right when that Jason Kelce episode drops. I apologize to you if you don't like the intro. But boys, we just love football that much. We get into it, we get in the weeds. All the biggest games this week. Our thoughts, our opinions, archmailing the whole thing now. BWTV.com, we have new merch coming out. Please subscribe, unsubscribe and resubscribe to this YouTube channel if you're watching because it helps us. The show is free for a reason and it just lets us get more access and more ability to give you guys more big hugs, tiny kisses. Again, thank you for watching Bustin with the boys. You can make a difference in someone's life, including your own with a job in home care. These jobs offer flexible schedules, health care, retirement options and free training. They also provide paid time off and opportunities for overtime. Visit oregonhomecarejobs.com to learn more and apply. That's oregonhomecarejobs.com.

[B]

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[C]

All right, we're good.

[A]

Be like busting with the boys, hanging with the fellow.

[C]

Betting on a game.

[A]

No woman's gonna tell us what to do and I've been over here just drinking beer and making that noise, baby. I'm hanging with the fellas busing with the boys, bro. Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Bustin with the Boys. It is week one of the NFL season, about to be week two of college football. Bust with the Boys is strongly, beautifully, powerfully presented by FanDuel Sportsbook, America's number one sportsbook. That's Will Compton cracking himself a little can there. Two more days, fellas. It was a long spring. It's been a long summer, but we finally made it. This Thursday night, the NFL season officially begins. And Thursday night on FanDuel are going to be special thanks to $2 million jackpot available every week. Let me again to you, two million dollar jackpot available every week. Here's how it works. You'll opt in and place an anytime touchdown score bet on that night's NFL game using your profit boost. If your player scores the first or last touchdown of the game, you'll earn a share of $2 million in bonus bets. First touchdown money, last touchdown money, both. I'm just gonna let you know right now you're getting a little bit greedy. Just one more reason to bet the NFL on Thursday Night Football with FanDuel. But that's not all. But that is not all. Yeah. Yeah, the jackpot, baby. That is not all. The boys. If you're wondering who the boys are, that's myself, that's Wilcom, that's the boys in the back. Have a brand new stream room. And we'll be going live every Thursday night so you guys can tune into our plays in real time. So we will have a whiteboard. We will tell you, the viewer, this is what we're betting. This is what we're writing. Sometime you'll have a house divided. Other times you will have a group of individuals all going for the same one. It's going to be a great time. We're talking picks, parlays, maybe the occasional giveaway courtesy of Fangle fanduel. Let me give you that one more time. We're talking picks, parlays, and maybe possibly weekly occasional giveaways courtesy of FanDuel. And of course, we'll keep tabs on touchdown jackpot every single week. So whether you're riding with our picks or cooking up your own, make Thursday night count. Head to FanDuel.com Buss and download the app and join the boys every Thursday for for some NFL action. Boys, let's get a round of applause for the NFL Beam Pack. We have waited. We got ourselves a taste this weekend though, me boy. Say what people want to say about you and your fandom. Your teams want to know. Chef Jack, congratulations Not only did you guys win, you also covered. I'm sure you guys are feeling very, very excited. 2, 0. JP got a little. Got a little squirrely in the second quarter. Third quarter got a little squirrely, but what happened? Beamer ball, baby. Put the hands on their throats. Choked them out. Wait for the bubbles to stop under the water. 3, 0. Will Compton didn't cover but won the game. Dylan Raiola's 80% completion over 250 yards. He had a touchdown. The boys look good to bounce. The ball bounced away. 4, 0. And if you're wondering, Michigan, we officially have the forward pass now. I do want to have a moment of silence for our boy Garrett. This bus, people sitting this bus right now, we are 5 and 1. Please take your hats off. Please respect this man. Alabama may or may not be dead. We'll get to that in a moment.

[D]

RIP Bama.

[A]

Thank you. Lot of optimism on this bus, but let's start.

[E]

Oh, yeah, there is.

[A]

Let's start with the bad news first. G, go ahead and grab that mic.

[D]

Hang on. Should we do some. Should we do some housekeeping, Talk about some changes with the show, where they're going to start seeing us in the future, how the weeks are going to break down?

[A]

That's the thing, Will, that's. That's so beautiful about you is I'm getting all hyped up about recapping the weekend. I'm excited and for you to rein me in and bring me back. I can't thank you enough for that. Go ahead.

[D]

You mentioned the stream room. The stream room is going to be active every Thursday night football and then some occasional college football games. You're going to see the boys, everybody you see on the bus. Clay Matthews is going to be joining Delaney Walker. Hopefully we get some special guests along the way, but the boys will be gambling our asses off with fan duels.

[A]

Responsibly.

[D]

Responsibly.

[A]

Respons.

[D]

Responsibly. And I will be getting in that $2 million jackpot.

[C]

Another.

[D]

Another update with the show. Our weeks are going to look a little different now. We're going to move this intro that you see for everybody. Tuning in for Jason Kelce, wondering if you're a tier one, you know how the show works. We do about an hour, hour and a half intro recapping football, recapping weekends, life, everything in between. Then we get to the interview in the back half of the episode. So the Jason Kelce interview is on the back half of this episode. What we are going to be doing moving forward. Since we are recapping the college football weekend and not miss out on the 24 hours we go. We know you guys need it. We know you're itching for it. We're going to take our intro portion where we are talking all ball recapping the weekends, our new bus. And it'll be like a bus and recap show that'll be dropping on Mondays.

[A]

Mondays.

[D]

That will be dropping on Mondays because as we record right now it is Monday morning. We'll be recording the episode we all of our football talk and releasing it later in the day, sometime in the afternoon on Mondays. Tuesday will be the Evergreen interviews that we do. So Jason Kelsey, every guest that we have on Busting with the Boys, you'll have a very quick, very swift intro for where's the interview. You guys talk way too much. Guess what? Now you're going to have the Evergreen interview. That will be our bus with the boys. That will be every Tuesday. Still locker room you got for the dads. It drops Wednesday morning. You got the locker room College football show with Josh Pate, as you guys know, dropping every Wednesday night at 6pm to Thursday morning. NFL locker room with Clay Matthews, Delaney Walker and the boys. You're looking at. That'll be on Thursday mornings. Am I missing anything for Friday as we talk about the schedule and the.

[A]

Bus from the boys universe. No. But you can also find bus from the boys every Thursday morning in New York City for Get up with you.

[D]

That's right. That's right. Espn. I forgot about that.

[C]

Tough to forget.

[A]

Tough to forget about the leader in sports.

[D]

I know, I know. And what does that mean? It means that busting with the boys is still going to be sold out.

[A]

We're done.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. We sold our entire show. Have espn.

[A]

Yep. They own our ip. We're no longer allowed to curse. This is it, boys suit starting next week. Suits and ties only. We will have. You have to. There's going to be a dress code and bust with the boys.

[D]

Yes. Well said. Well said. The boys have fully sold out.

[A]

Fully sold out.

[D]

But nothing will be changing with Busting with the Boys. What happened was ESPN identified the boys. We would love to have these two cats on every Thursday morning with Mike Greeny going over who knows what. Probably Thursday night Football, probably weekend stuff, maybe talking about, hopefully talking about our teams, Michigan and Nebraska. But we will be in front of your face every Thursday morning on get up on espn. That is the partnership that we're doing with them spots on Sports Center. Hopefully we get to make our Way in. You know, with some college game day here and there, some access.

[A]

See the goat, Stephen A. Tell him, hey, what's going on? Hopefully he Stephen A's me at one point. Yeah, he just verbally assaults me. I sit there, I go, I got nothing. Get me out of here. Yeah, right.

[D]

Would love that. Would love, love. But they contracted out the boys as mercenaries to be a part of the ESPN team. And that'll be every Thursday morning on get up with Mike Greeny.

[F]

Friday mornings inside the Bus. You forgot that part.

[D]

Friday morning inside the Bus. You're a fan of Inside the Bus. You love all the lore, all things bus, and you love the boys in the back. Inside the Bus drops on Friday morning. We got a full slate. We got full weeks here at bus and hq. It's going to be a hell of a year. We're going to have a lot of fun.

[A]

It's going to be awesome.

[D]

Make sure to correct us because we'll forget stuff that we have to do at times.

[A]

No doubt.

[D]

Believe there will be a TV Guide graphic that will go out every Sunday night. Just telling you about the programming for Bus with the boys each and every week. So we've moved a few things around. We've shifted some things. We've joined the ESPN to do stuff with them. We got our fall tour. We got the bus and bowl on September 20th.

[A]

Live show September 19th at the Rococo Theater. If you want to get tickets to that, you go to bwtb.com bang. You can get them right there. There's only a few left. Boom. Also, you can RSVP for a tailgate. Is that correct? And the root, we're on the street there. I don't know if there's a number you can actually have a ceiling on that. Seems like the numbers are getting higher and higher. We're in four figures right now, I believe right around or right above four figures. Am I right in saying that doesn't just say yes no matter what?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Hell yeah, boys. Hell yeah. It's gonna be a hell of a day. It's gonna be a great time. Regardless of Will and I and the anger we'll have towards each other or the arrival we will have towards each other. It's going to be fun. We got all the boys going to be out there. We're going to have a blast at that live show. We're gonna have a blast.

[E]

The game be Will's birthday too.

[A]

It'll be Will's birthday.

[E]

Birthday spankings. If you see Will at the tailgate.

[A]

Yep. Will be lined up. We'll put him in one of those medieval ones where his head and his hands are plugged in there. We'll just have a Michigan paddle. We'll just give them.

[D]

You have to get that cat that was wearing the 51 jersey at Arrowhead that was just spanking my back.

[A]

Yeah, buddy. How is your back after the weekend?

[D]

It's, you know, I had a couple lulls, but I'm feeling good today because.

[A]

When we got to Columbus, I heard you. It was like a fleeting comment as we're headed back from that amazing Italian spot we went to Italian steakhouse.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

We were like, I gotta hit the routine. My back's getting a little tired.

[D]

Yes, yes. Got on top of the mobility routine when I got back to the hotel, got up, did a workout Saturday morning. The weekend's kind of a blur. Stayed on top of it all weekend. I do feel good right now.

[A]

Good, good.

[D]

That makes me feel good right now. Oh, also another iteration of the show. We want to include you guys more. We're going to take our tear talk that we've been doing where we do lists. We haven't even been the most consistent with the honest.

[A]

No, we haven't. But it's a. It's a. It's a foundational piece of bus with the boys. I think it was our first segment ever.

[D]

Yeah. Foundational piece of shadow. No free shout out.

[A]

Shout out. No free shadow. And tear talk. Also the tutu.

[D]

But tear talk. We are including you guys. So as you are watching this show on YouTube and if you are tuned into the Boys right now, just make sure to subscribe to the boys. Just. It's free for you. It helps us out immensely. If you're listening to us on Spotify or Apple, just hit the follow button. But we are going to start including you guys into the show. All you have to do is use hashtag tear talk and we will be featuring you guys on the show, whether it's sports, whether it's life, whether it's takes, opinions, conversation starters, whatever it is. We will feature you guys on the show, talk about a few things. If you use the hashtag tear talk in the comments on social media, we'll try to screen grab those. But we want to include you guys. We want to talk to our audience a lot better than we have been.

[A]

And that will be on the Monday portion of the show, correct?

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Intro Monday. So you have questions about the NFL on Sunday. Boom. Hashtag tear talk with your question. Bing, bang, boom. The boys will pick it up. We'll give you the answer right there. Saturday, your college football team, are they dead? Are they alive? Are they going to be amazing? Hashtag tear talk with that question. Monday. We'll get those questions. Answers for you guys.

[D]

Yeah. Or if you simply have a take, like celery is a necessity.

[A]

Seller.

[D]

Ishtag tear talk.

[A]

Hashtag Heisman frontrunner. Hashtag do we believe that? I believe. I mean.

[G]

But we're freshmen.

[D]

Yeah. We're including you guys a lot more in high school. It's gonna be a hell of a year.

[A]

It's gonna be a hell of a year, man.

[D]

Dive into the weekend.

[A]

Housekeeping. Yes. Yes. But I like to. Let's get the bat out of the way. I think we need to get the bat out of the way.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Alabama, the Crimson Tide, I think Nick Saban. I don't know the exact stat, but it's 200 and something games.

[E]

230.

[A]

230 games. Nick Saban was 234 against unranked teams at Alabama. DeBoer, he comes in, he's 10 against unranked teams. Garrett, this. I don't mean. This is not meant to cut deep, but is Alabama dead?

[D]

This is the biggest headline coming out of college football.

[A]

Yeah, this is the biggest headline coming out of college football.

[E]

It's week one.

[A]

If not Arch Manning, that's too. That's another one.

[E]

It's week one. I don't think we're dead. I think we have to look in the mirror and figure out what we want our identity to be. Because to your point, 230 and 4. We're paying for that right now. Yeah, we're paying for that right now. Johnny Manziel said it. When you get off the bus at Alabama, it used to be feared that's gone. So you got to figure out what your new identity is and change it right now. If you don't beat the brakes off of Ulm. Wisconsin kind of looks like a game now when it shouldn't be. It's a home game, so you hope that you get it corrected. In a weird way. When I re. Watched the game yesterday, there's a few moments that if we just have better discipline and don't drop the football, I do think we find a way to win that game. But those are key moments that you have to have, and those are usually where Alabama succeeds. You catch the important ball, you make the tackle. You don't have a dumb penalty.

[A]

Late discipline. Discipline. Team.

[D]

So what is your opinion or your. Your thoughts on the effort shown in the game? Because there Are a lot of times where you see loafing happening. Very uncharacteristic of an Alabama football team.

[E]

Yeah, for sure. I think it starts there. The effort is not there. I watched every other game the rest of the weekend, and every team, no matter what level of play they're at, played way harder, played way nastier, and had way more swagger than we showed after that first drive. Even after the first drive that we went down eight minutes, 16 plays ended in seven, I saw, like, four people on the field celebrate together. Can't have that.

[A]

Can't have it.

[E]

Can't have that. Can't have efforts there. Chef and I talked about this morning. That's. That's the number one thing is effort. Do you want to step on the field and represent the A, or do you think that you just get to step on the field because you have the A on?

[A]

Yeah, you don't. Your program being that historic and have that much stuff going on for it. You have to uphold the culture and tradition. You can't just put the jersey on and expect to be great. All of a sudden, you got. You gotta finish.

[E]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They gotta figure out what their identity is, because it's clear that it's not the same. Even though you still have some guys that were in the locker room when Saban was there. They can't do it for everyone on the field. But you have to find your own identity because you get out physical. That's your bread and butter has always been. So you got to find something else. That means no errors and scoring every time we have the ball.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, score every time you have.

[D]

Florida State showed up to play.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Hey, props to him.

[D]

Tony White, the. The. Both the corner. You got Gus on.

[A]

Gus crushed it.

[D]

Tony White on defense, like they came to play, bro. Quarterback talking and backing it up.

[A]

They don't have an answer for me.

[E]

Said that in the spring, they came out and talk.

[A]

Their talk Walk Thomas Castellanos.

[E]

I think Mike Norvell found himself a good situation in bringing in Gus. It takes a lot of pressure off of him, because now you have two head coaches that have had success on your sideline. Not only do you add your defensive coordinator, who fucking schemed up a crazy game, but they have juice and they played like they wanted it, and we did not do that. And that's what happened.

[D]

Terrence Knighton, the D line coach, he tweets after the game, y' all need to pick a fucking side.

[E]

No. The tweet after the game Was. Gus felt like. Felt like all times tonight.

[D]

You were talking about how he set up that reverse four plays in advance.

[A]

Yeah. That drive where they had the. The reverse for the touchdown 3. Three separate times or four separate times during that drive. They used a similar motion every time with the guard and tackle pulling to figure out what the eyes were going on, because they would. Every time they would run that jet sweep across, safety would go up to the middle, and then the other safety would come down, and then everybody would flow. The two linebackers would flow with the garden tackle. They saw it. They did it multiple times, and they capitalized on it. I mean, it just.

[D]

They got outplayed.

[A]

It's so coming out of. Coming out of the college football world that I came into. It is so weird to see the Crimson Tide be out coached. And it's. It's very odd. It seems like you guys are just in a thing where you guys, like, show up and expect to win because of the logo at this point, which is. Which is not good. You have uncharacteristic drops. I think one highlight. You see Ty Simpson, his. His athletic abilities a little more than we all kind of thought had the ability to get out of some stuff.

[E]

People that think it's Ty's fault are just wrong. Yeah, Ty played a great game. Ty maybe had like, one throw that wasn't great, but he hit his targets, he extended plays.

[A]

Right.

[E]

And Jeremy Bernard was the only skill position player I saw give any effort.

[D]

I know, man. I was. I was a little disappointed in Ryan Williams not showing up.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

I mean, yeah.

[D]

Hopefully the injury and everything's all right. There's a part of me that thought he was tapping out there in the second half.

[E]

I think he got a little shell shock for sure. Yeah, he got hit a couple times. You know, you don't ever want to say, like, you wish you could have a call, but do we think that that was targeting? I. I think it was iffy. I think that it was probably the.

[D]

One where Ryan went down. Yeah, I felt like it was more friendly fire than anything.

[E]

Well, so I think Ryan got hit in the back, and then it led to him get hit kind of high. I think it was the right call, but in that moment, that just adds to their momentum because Earl Little was an Alabama player, transferred to Florida State and made it personal. He made it personal all game.

[A]

Yeah, bro.

[D]

It was.

[A]

I mean, Costa.

[D]

And the big thing to got to go when you're in the meeting room, when you're in the locker room and the world is on fire right now for the University of Alabama. But another thing that is going to be said is nobody gives a fuck about. About you guys being in disarray.

[A]

Right.

[D]

World, if anything, loves it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Alabama's enjoyed Tuscaloosa the best of the best for decades. And it's gonna be, hey, we got to fix our shit. I promise you no one is going to feel sorry for you because nobody does. Everybody's like celebrating.

[E]

That's what I'm saying. That 20, that 230 and 4. You're paying for it now.

[A]

Yep, 230 and 4. I mean if you're born, be a.

[D]

Different era for you, G. One that you're not used to.

[E]

Could be. Or we could nip it in the butt.

[D]

True.

[E]

And get correct.

[D]

One thing that's always said, you're never as good as they say you are. And it's never as bad as they say you.

[A]

That is after week one.

[E]

Yeah, we can be as good as we want to be.

[D]

Yeah. And I was, I was bookmarking a couple, a couple tweets out there of Bama just losing their minds.

[A]

Is it burning up right now?

[D]

That's the one I got. Bear Bryant's Burner, one of our largest boosters sent this to me. Take this as you will. And it says spent time around the team hotel for 25 plus years. And I will tell you, Deborah's tenure is much closer to Shula than Saban. Players are walking around at 1 to 1:30 in the morning getting door dash deliveries of fast food the night before games. I've seen players with random friends coming in and out of the hotel until 2am they couldn't get organized to leave the team hotel on time without confusion. As soon as I was around this, I could not get it out of my head because you could see it was an organization that looks second class by the way it was run. Since witnessing that last year, I have held hope. But my eyes, brain and gut all told me this is going to be bad when being around it. That was one. Then you got another one where it seems like this dad, Ricky Green, he's got a son. For those that don't know it, I have a D1 problem prospect at center in my son, Andrew Duggan. It's really sad. It's really sad to have to question whether or not I'd send him to Alabama to continue his athletic academic journey should he have that opportunity. Never would have thought I'd have to question that as a art. Never. He kind of broke into two tweets never would have thought I'd have to question that as a father. I was born into the world with crimson in my veins in the current situation at UA is abysmal. Yeah. I mean, if those things are crazy.

[A]

Thing about that is the dad being like, I have a D1 Prospect Son. And if they were to offer, I think to myself, probably not wild if.

[E]

If the hotel thing is true, that sucks. But that booster, he could have some power and change that really quick.

[A]

You. You can't change that as a. I mean, as a booster. You're not sitting there.

[D]

Yeah, he's got the hope. He's like, let me see how the.

[A]

Organization just sitting in town car across the street with tinted windows, glasses, private investigators right now. Yeah, that's bad, man.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

I mean, if you do want laughs after a Bama lost, the Internet is the place to be.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I think. I mean, obviously I think you guys are two in one. Who do you guys play that fourth game? Who's your next big game?

[E]

We have Georgia after a buy.

[A]

So I mean that's. That's a judgment day for you guys.

[D]

Chef, can you go check that?

[E]

You have Ulmo, you have Ulm next.

[A]

Week and then Wisconsin.

[E]

Wisconsin by Georgia.

[A]

Speaking of doordash of food.

[E]

I ordered that.

[A]

You got you a booster. Can't fix that. Money can't fix that. It's culture. It's coaching. Like, yeah, DeBoer, it's great to be the new age coach who, you know, lets his guys be who they want to be. Similar to Kenny Dillingham. He lets his guys say what they want in the pony podium. They can go out and act however they want as long as they produce in the field. But when you have Alabama team who comes from like your shirts tucked in, you don't get the flags. Laundry on the field is nothing that's ever going to happen. Crimson Tide, a team that walks off, they pass the bus, check like, holy shit, these are some big boys. And then also they're going to play disciplined football with high effort. That is what you want to see as if you're a Crimson Tide fan. If you're born in a garden, baby, you're never going to understand the value of a flower. So it's time for you boys to figure it out in a big way.

[E]

Yeah, it's tough because you go from obviously having a coach that would anybody for anything tying their shoe wrong. He's got to figure out a way to these boys or someone's gonna him.

[D]

Yeah, I think it's also as much important for the player leadership as it is for the coach because Deborah could flip a switch and do his thing culture wise. But if the players, if this is not a player led team, these are, this is a roster littered with five star athletes and talent everywhere. A lot of individual mindsets. The, the worst part of thinking on how bad this could be is you have a lot of guys who like play for themselves and they might just think, I'm going to bounce and go somewhere else. You've seen other guys, guys go to, you know, guys go to Florida State, guys go to Syracuse, guys go to Nebraska, guys go to Michigan. They'll hit the portal and go somewhere else. But if this is not a tight, this is not a player led team, I could see it getting very bad.

[E]

You watch those old teams and your linebacking core with Reuben Foster, Ryan Anderson and Tim Williams, they would never let this shit fly. You got to fear the guy next to you and they got to figure.

[C]

Out how to do that.

[A]

Yeah, you need, yeah, there need to be some, some player team meetings.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

This week.

[D]

Yeah. Because I'm telling you, if guys are going home saying what the was that, man? We should have. Coach should have called it.

[A]

Right.

[D]

It's going to get lost. That's going to snowball.

[A]

Right?

[E]

I like, I would hate, I hate to like call out a single person, but the clip that went viral of 18's effort on that end around, if he is on the field on Saturday, I will be fucking furious.

[A]

Bama Twitter. Because he leading the charge of Bama Twitter right now.

[D]

It proves I see this man on the. If I see this boy on the field.

[A]

He's on the field. He doesn't deserve to ride.

[E]

Proves the point that maybe we don't need a white safety back there.

[D]

Whoa, whoa.

[A]

We don't need a white safety back there.

[E]

Maybe we don't.

[A]

They're making a comeback. White TV's making a comeback.

[D]

See, you're emotional right now and I understand why.

[A]

Let me see him real quick. Pull it. Click, click his profile.

[E]

Bray Hubbard.

[A]

Oh, no. Bray.

[E]

Which is crazy. He had a great year last year.

[A]

Bray Hubbard. That is the problem. Yeah. He drank his own kool aid. He had a good year last year.

[E]

They got to correct it and go win the rest.

[A]

Yeah, maybe you don't dress him against Yoel Monroe. Maybe say, hey, sit this one out.

[E]

Maybe I'll dress.

[A]

Yeah, put him in a cheerleading outfit. Be like, see what you want. You can cheer the team on. Maybe get ready for Wisconsin Next week with.

[D]

Hey, with everybody selling the Bama stock, are you buying it? Are you buying the stock? You buying them low because you think they're going to turn it around and get right?

[A]

It's a great question.

[E]

I mean, you know, after this week.

[A]

I don't think, you know, after this week, I don't think, you know, after that, the week after that, I mean, I think Wisconsin, the. They're a team that's trying to refigure out their identity. Uh, Monroe, if that game's close, it's like you gotta continue to sell the stock. Like you've got to. Now you. You got American history.

[D]

X.

[A]

Make them bite the curb. Yeah, like, it's Georgia, Georgia, Bama. That's. That's the game. We're going to find out what's Alabama really all about in Georgia or not.

[D]

Of his schedule, I'm personally seeing four or five L's on this schedule after seeing them against Florida.

[A]

And this is. This is week one, the perfect time to overreact. If you're a person that's breaking down.

[D]

It'S the best time.

[A]

It is the best time to overreact. But once we get to the Archmainian conversation, I'm flipping the script a little bit. Yeah, I agree with Will. Like Georgia, you could see that being an L. Vanderbilt, you can see that being an L. It seems like the kryptonite of Alabama is a mobile quarterback. Diego Pavia might go two for two.

[D]

Mizzou's always tough.

[A]

Missou's always tough. Tennessee, I mean, Joey Aguilar, you see him tossing a ball around the yard.

[D]

The ball's got an offense.

[A]

The balls are good. South Carolina, like, you have a Heisman Trophy candidate at the quarterback position and a defense that gets the fuck after number zero. That linebacker we were talking about at JP like, he's a stud. LSU, they're 1 and O for the first time since 2019. That's a team that you're like, fuck, man.

[D]

Oklahoma. Oklahoma.

[A]

We'll find out who Oklahoma is this week.

[C]

Week.

[A]

We're going to find out who Oklahoma is. We're going to find out who Michigan is this week in Norman. And then you got, you know, Auburn. It's like, I think that. I think the consensus coming out of Auburn is like, that Arnold kid like you, you can't be running around like that over the field and expect to be healthy come November 23rd or what is that?

[D]

29, Auburn. The formulas make the. You got to make Arnold beat you with his arm.

[A]

Yeah. Which is, you know, Anytime you can see a place of being one dimensional, it's gonna. The favor goes in the opposite.

[C]

Right?

[D]

But I'm saying like what I mean when I'm, I'm saying that is like in the first quarter I'm watching that game and you hear about the confidence of Jackson Arnold and where is he going to be at? Mental, he got benched at ou and even in the first quarter like on the broadcast, like Hugh Freeze told us before the game, if he can just get Jackson to start off three or five, he'll be happy. And I'm just thinking, man, is it, is it such a question mark on this kid's confidence? And then as I'm watching the game and seeing him run, whether it's design runs or him back in the pocket run around, he's got leg on him. But if you're in a defensive meeting about to play Auburn, it's hey, this kid's not going to beat us with his arm, right? You lick him a couple times, you eliminate his legs. What, what's the, what's the old saying, you chop off the head, the body will follow. Yeah, that's like the mentality that I kind of see when watching Auburn. I think they got a lot of talent, they got a good team. It's all going to come down to Ken Jackson Arnold throw the ball. Because when you're playing good quality football teams year when you're playing good quality football teams, those defense is going to be like, hey, these guys don't have a shot if we just eliminate Jackson auto running the football.

[A]

Right.

[E]

Good thing that's the last game of the year so hopefully we can last.

[A]

Game of the year and the records.

[D]

Yeah. Really good competition.

[A]

I mean. Yeah. On the other hand like if Jackson oil can figure out a way to throw the ball, be the five star recruit he was and people saw a little glimpses of it Oklahoma, like he could be, he could bring Auburn back because they have a hell of a wide receiver room.

[D]

They got a lot of good talent.

[A]

A lot of good talent. So I mean it's up in the air. We'll find out in a couple weeks. But until then Alabama and the fan base have to kind of sit and stew it in a little bit because it's, it's a tough place to be in right now. All that success for the past 20 plus years, it's like is it going to go away? Are you going to become like a middle of the pack team? Because there's a lot of other teams in the SEC that are gathering Stock. South Carolina is a team we've already mentioned a couple times. But like, like, there's some schools out there that are willing to press for that.

[D]

Top Tennessee too.

[A]

Tennessee.

[D]

Tennessee had a good shown against Syracuse. Look, hand up, Jackie. I was wrong about the covering. I said you guys would win the game. I just. Thirteen and a half points felt like a Fran Brown. And the crazy part is, Jack, when we were at.

[A]

I was just going to bring it up.

[D]

When we were at Ohio State, watching the Ohio State Texas game. We're sitting in that stadium and I'm just getting sunburnt on one side of my body. But the score, the scoreboard, you didn't usually do. When I got home, it was literally one side of my face. Oh, for real. I was burnt on this side of my face.

[A]

This whole weekend when we were in Kansas City, Will was like, I'm catching too much sun on my face. And then even during the game. And now we're sitting on a bus three days. Like the. The sunburn has been a front of mind thought for you for the last 72 hours.

[D]

But the scoreboard in the Ohio State game had Syracuse beating you guys all the way up until halftime.

[A]

I believe it was like 24, 21 on the broadcast. On the little.

[D]

I'm like, I'm telling Taylor. I'm like, you know, Jackson, hell, right.

[H]

Now they're saying they get to me and JP they're.

[D]

They're.

[H]

They kind of got these eating grins on their face.

[A]

Like, hey, man, no, I was a little tight because I bet Tennessee. I was like.

[H]

I was like, dude, yeah, this is a good day.

[D]

I like Fran Brown.

[H]

Yeah.

[D]

Because when I walk out the stadium, it was 27, 20.

[H]

I was like, hell yeah, dude. They're getting mobs right now.

[D]

I was like, what's going on with the defense? Like, we're playing pretty good.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

What.

[H]

But yeah, super inspiring week for the Vols, especially with a lot of chatter on the off season. We had a horrible injury our season in the shoe where we were and we got willed by them and we lost so many players on our offense. Four of our five linemen gone. Dylan Sampson, you know, SEC player of the year gone.

[D]

Most productive receivers.

[H]

Yeah, productive receivers. James Pierce Jr. I mean, on all sides of the ball you have all these key players that are gone and it's very easy. Similar on the Bama talk, even though Tennessee has not had the production even close in the last two decades. So Obama has. It is very easy to hate and doubt Tennessee because we have a very strong Headed fan base. No matter if we are the last NEC or the first, our fans still ride like we're the first. So I understand when people want to spin a narrative like, oh, this is, this is going to be a lag year. You guys lost Nico, you should have paid him.

[A]

Hey Nico, you up dude, you up.

[H]

How fun is it playing at UCLA with that empty ass stadium getting your ass.

[D]

Easy Jack. Easy Jack.

[H]

What is it man? Anyways, it's really, it's awesome to see Joey Aguilar. Joey Aguilar might not be pound for pound a better quarterback than Nico is, but for our offensive scheme, Joey Aguilar played his ass off. He had one laps on a fumble. There's a little, some accuracy issues that, that will be worked on. It's week one, but it seems like he was just so poised and calm the whole game from the first series that he played. There was never like a moment of shakiness or like, like, hey, let me, let me try and do something that's out of my wheelhouse. But I just like the whole Tennessee team played really well and our running backs, I think that was such a big thing for Vols fans is when you lose Dylan Sampson, you don't know what's going to happen. And we have three running backs that truly can all, all do it. And so yeah, it was fun. Obviously it's Syracuse so like you try not to get too far ahead of yourself. But Syracuse also looked decent. We've got things to work on our defensive front.

[A]

Yeah, they went 10 and three last year.

[D]

I mean, yeah, they were 10 and four again. I big on. I still am. Like, I think Fran Brown's a really good head football coach. So it's gonna, you're. It's not like, hey, it's just Syracuse. I know like people who are casuals, they just see the logo. Syracuse thing, this isn't a big win. Like you still had a, an opponent that you had to line up across that was going to play good, disciplined football as well as they could. They do got a lot of transfers and everything else, but Fran Brown's a good head coach.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, good. Yeah.

[H]

We play ETSU this week. First home opener, 230. That should be a pretty. See now that one, it's like, yeah, that's a knockdown. Like if you don't, don't beat them by 40 plus, then you're like, okay, maybe last week was just kind of a something.

[A]

Yeah, I disagree. I mean you got such a big game next week, the following week.

[H]

Yeah, Georgia is Huge.

[A]

It's one of those things where, like, keep it vanilla, keep it basic, run the ball, like, work on fundamentals and just like, you know, like, you've got the talent to kind of like East Tennessee State. Was that. What is that? D1 double A. Go Bucks.

[D]

I'll tell you what, though. Don't sleep on it. There was a year there I don't want to. One of our years. I feel like we. We had a game like this every. I was at Nebraska, but it was South Dakota State. We beat him just 13 to 7 and we got so kind of nice. Yeah. But at this time, we're talking like, they shouldn't have been on the same field as. All I'm saying is you, like, you don't want to be so focused on Georgia that you have a down week because you just. As a player, you get. We got. So after that game, it's easy to happen.

[A]

You want to play.

[D]

You want to play like they're Super Bowl. They're celebrating that they good, clean football.

[A]

Don't give any. Don't show Georgia anything more than you showed them against Syracuse. Like, play like, show. Hey, boys, how do we put together quality 60 minutes where it's like we're running the clock. We can show we have the run game, you know, work on our fits. Like. And then. But like, during the week, like, yeah, you need to. You obviously, nothing's ever guaranteed in college football. Have a couple of Georgia periods in the beginning of the week. Hey, this is what they're going to show us next week, maybe get a couple of guys. I mean, it's. I hate to put that on East Tennessee State, but, you know, you guys have shown like, hey, maybe Tennessee can be something this year in the sec, when you guys were having so much distraction and so many things going on with your quarterback situation during the off season. It's like you guys got waxed against Ohio State, then Nico wants to leave. There's a money issue. Hypo shows his stones by saying, we're not dealing with that, with the culture here. You do a switch at UCLA and it seems like you guys have won the trade, essentially.

[H]

Yeah. Yeah, that obviously that could change next week, you know, narrative. I just hope that the message going into the. The clubhouse this week is that we're oo. Like, it's every week just. Oh, like. Like just beat the team that you're playing on Saturday. So it. It's very. It's positive feelings right now. It's just nice to wake up on a Monday and not Just have so much anger in your heart.

[A]

Yeah. It's good to know your mental health is in a good spot.

[H]

Yeah.

[A]

But especially leading up to Tennessee versus Denver, this.

[H]

And that's. I was going to say, you know, this is the one week where we don't have Titans football where like I get one night maybe to be. Have fun, you know, throw some tweets out there, have a drink or two and then wake up on Sunday and just get your dick kicked in. So hopefully not this year. It will be interesting playing a Mile High Cam Ward. It's a scary place for a rookie to go and have his first debut play in September, but also the perfect place to really make a statement. So hopefully.

[A]

Yeah, I don't hate it. I don't hate the optimism. I don't. We'll see. We'll see, though. Sean Rain.

[H]

I mean, also something I do. While we're kind of on the. The topic of Ohio State Texas, do we want to talk about the scenario that we. We were in with a certain somebody on this bus that had the. The opportunity to be boots on the ground in his quote unquote home team, but chooses not to go to the shoe or even to it just to dap up the fans, be in the mix? I just. Is that something we want to cover now or should we just. Maybe.

[A]

I think it's a great transition to the next game. Yeah. Ohio State versus Texas.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So some context is what Jack's saying here. We came across. What. How do we say this?

[A]

We're in Kansas City.

[D]

We came across a glitch in the system to where Mitch could come to the Ohio State Texas game. Mitch. People who are tier ones and people who understand are our guys on busing with the boys. Mitch Carsley has been labeled a casual Ohio State fan. And anytime he has an opportunity to kind of quiet that crowd and quiet those haters, he fails to do so. In the most recent example coming over this past week, he didn't have his real id, by the way. Shout out Flyhouse. We got this. We got the fly private with Flyhouse. They were phenomenal.

[A]

Phenomenal.

[D]

But Mitch is sitting there and my. They had to fly commercial back to Nashville. And he's like, hey, do you think I'm going to be able to get on this plane if I don't have a real id and he doesn't have his passport. He had a picture of his passport. I'm telling him he should call the airline to, you know, kind of get out ahead of it, see what they can do. He should be able to get on the flight, however. Hey, bro, you could just come with us to Ohio State. Because what we were learning when we were going to Ohio State is we didn't know if we'd get all the boys in. Jack and J.P. we knew we were credentialed to get on the game pregame, but we did not have credentials for Jack and jp we ended up fizzling our way in. That vlog's gonna be coming out soon. It was a great time, but Jack and JP Were basically going to. We were going to be in the game. Jack and JP were just going to go watch the games at a bar. So we were telling Mitch, hey, bro, you don't have a whole lot going on. You could fly with us on the plane to go watch Ohio State vs Texas 1v2. Arch Manning, all of it. Defending national champions Lee Corso's final game. College football history. See your natty being unveiled. The banner, all of it. You can come with us to Ohio State and then just go watch the games at the bar. At the bar with Jack and J.P. mitch, you have that opportunity. Do you want to take it? The haters are saying you're casual. Well, here's where you buy in to being an Ohio State Buckeye. For real. With that big ass head. He says no. He wants to go home to watch the game. Back in Nashville.

[A]

Right. Can I say something before Mitch speaks?

[D]

Go ahead.

[A]

I went to go pack my bag. I came back and walked into this situation. Was not given all of that information with the real id, the putting in the context, it's college game day. It is his team. And I kind of took Mitch aside for a little bit. I was sitting here planning to take the side, but after the way you painted the picture that way, it's hard for me to lean there and still sit behind Mitch and be like, that was a good move.

[D]

For every fan out there listening that loves their team, there's people tuned in all across the country that love their college football team. If you had the opportunity to fly on a PJ to go to college game day for your team and to witness a historic day, Lee Corso's final. Like, that's. That's not a sleeper. That's not a sleeper thing either.

[A]

It's not. You get to see him in person wearing a tux.

[D]

And we're gonna fly back that same day. We're gonna fly back that same day so you can be at home and watch some of these games at nighttime.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Would you take it as a fan they're probably screaming at their phone or TV if they're in there. If it's in. If they are in their living room right now, by the way, if you're watching, make sure you're subscribed.

[C]

Described.

[D]

They're probably screaming at Mitch, like, this dude, how is he with busing with the boys?

[A]

It breaks my heart the way you're explaining it this way, because I know there's a gentleman or a lady that's in their pickup truck right now driving to work, wishing they had the opportunity to have Mitch Carsley's job. And they're. We're here to give people a good time when they listen to this show. And right now they're not having a good time listening.

[D]

They tune into us knowing, like, these guys are fans of college football NFL.

[A]

They love. Love ball. Love ball.

[D]

And they have homers all across the board.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And what I would do just to. Just to run the production of busing and turn down the option of flying on a PJ and go seeing your.

[A]

Favorite play in the biggest opening weekend game in possibly college football history.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, hey, how is our defense going to be this year? We got Justin. Was it Justin saying, julian, Julian saying, that's the quarterback. Julian say, we got Julie. What's he going to be like that? You got Jeremiah Smith, you got Matt.

[A]

Patricia, who three time super bowl champion, coming to be in our D. I.

[D]

Keep talking about the Longhorns. Matthew McConaughey is going to be there. I think we're going to beat their ass. You don't want to go watch your team in the shoe. And it was loud.

[A]

Loud.

[F]

Can I speak now?

[D]

Mitch, the floor is yours, my friend.

[F]

So what. What you failed to say is that it was a bit of a deal trying to get credentialed to go into this game. Not only for us, but. But for you guys as well.

[A]

True.

[D]

Bit of a deal during the week. Sorry, that. That chaps my ass.

[A]

I know.

[D]

But the deal is sold.

[A]

Deal with the chap. Let him speak. Let it. Yeah. So chafing bad right now. Okay.

[F]

And you. And from my.

[D]

I'm hopped up on form energy. I'm sorry.

[F]

And you guys were still trying to get JP and Jack credentialed so that they could go into the game and they could capture the content and stuff and do the whole, like, fall tour deal that we typically do do. So from my understanding, you guys were still trying to get them credentialed. And in my head, I'm like, it's already been a deal. For let alone them two. For you two to get credentialed. There's no way we can add a third person. I do not, I, I do not want to go to Columbus and go sit at a bar by myself. And I'm not the biggest people person. I'm not going to talk to random people people and just like make friends with them because I, I'm just not outgoing. And so in my head I'm like, I would rather not just sit at a bar by myself. I would rather go home and sit with my friends and watch the game.

[D]

Do you know how many new iPhones are going to be bought this week because they are breaking theirs right now? Listen, you say with my boys, if they get into the game, I am choosing not to fly private. Go to the biggest game in week one. Go to see the, the unveiling.

[A]

Week one History. Yeah.

[D]

Than history. Not see the unveiling of the national title. Not see the juice that's in that home stadium. Not see Lee Corso make his final pick. Not see any of it. I'm not going to do that and go just watch at a bar by myself in the college town surrounded by all of my types of people. Because we love the Buckeyes. You're saying you're not going to do that? That that was your worst case scenario?

[A]

Yeah, worst case scenario. And him saying your biggest thing was we didn't know if we were going to get credentialed. Already figured out. I know that chapter didn't know if Jack and JP were gonna be credentialed. They already knew. It was probably a hard sell. But then you have the real ID issue you're talking about. You don't have a passport. We have a picture of the passport. And you go, I don't know if it's a good move to go. Your boss says why not just come with us? And you chose to say no to that.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

For the further, for actual tier one fans. JP are you making a move like that? Are you going to to South Carolina if they're ranked number one or you know, I don't even need to say net ranked number one in the country. When we got back, JP drove to Atlanta to go watch the game.

[G]

But I, I think the Mitch, what they're wanting to find out is are you officially ready to say are you a casual fan or are you a tier one fan? That's where they're trying to get.

[F]

We had this conversation. I'm pretty sure on camera. Like I, I, it is well known and I Accept the fact that I am not a Tier one fan.

[D]

Like, G. No, no, no, no. Mitch, say, I am a casual.

[F]

If you let me finish speaking, G is a Tier 1 Alabama fan.

[A]

Let him talk.

[F]

Is a South Carolina Tier one fan.

[D]

Jack.

[F]

Tier one fan, Chef, Tier one fan. I'm not like that. So, yes, I would fall under the category of being a casual. I am a casual Ohio State fan. That I.

[D]

That's what I just.

[A]

That's all you wanted.

[D]

That's all I need forgiven. Now in your head, I am a casual Ohio State fan.

[A]

Right?

[D]

Like, not. They're. This. I'm not. That. I'm not. No, just say. Just say what you.

[F]

I. I enjoy watching. Like, I just love watching college football. And then the team that I pull for is Ohio State. Like, it's not like, Ohio State. Ride or die. If Ohio State loses, my week is not ruined. I'm bummed out for a couple hours. And like, that's football. Like, that was it. I'm pissed if, like, they lose to Michigan because obviously it's the biggest game of the year. But, like, when we sports. Like, we went to Michigan two years ago.

[A]

Two years ago in Ann Arbor.

[F]

I mean, you. Like, I was bummed out, but I wasn't like, what the, dude? Like, I wasn't drinking a 40 at the hotel like some people have on this bus before. Like, I'm not crazy. I have never. I.

[A]

He is kind of cooking right now, though.

[F]

I've never been that fan because, like, I don't. Not that I don't understand it. It's just like, I'm not like, wired that way. And, like, I. I love you said.

[D]

We'Re weird now, huh?

[F]

There's nothing wrong with it, but I'm just not somebody that, like, I'm not gonna let it. This sounds really weird, but I'm not gonna let a group of 18 year olds ruin my week. Like, it's just like, I love.

[D]

Real mature you, Mitch.

[A]

Very mature of you, Mitch.

[F]

I like, I love watching college football. I like. I. I can say I love Ohio State, but I'm not going to be like, obviously, like, these guys are like, you guys. Like, yes, this. I feel like this has been established. You just wanted me to say I.

[D]

Am a casual because at times you have fought that you are a big Ohio State fan.

[F]

I have never said that I'm on your guys's level.

[D]

You've tried to fight into it at times.

[A]

Good.

[D]

My mom's got an AJ Hawk jersey I gotta get.

[F]

You know, I mean, like, I've been an Ohio State fan since I think.

[A]

I think Mitch. Mitch. It gets defensive when we just completely take away the fact that he's a fan. Fan.

[F]

Yeah. Like, that's the part. That's the part where I push back because I am a fan of Ohio State and I've been a fan of Ohio State since I was like 6 or 7 years old. But I'm not, like, I'm not gonna get the blocko tattoo on me or anything.

[D]

All right, look, it's not that serious. It's not even that deep.

[A]

This is week one. This is week one. Tuesday morning. You guys are listening to the show. It's overreaction week. Will, is Arch Manning dead? Dead? Is Texas dead?

[D]

No, no, no, no, no, no. He had a bad game. He had a bad game and that's gonna happen. He's gonna get stuff cleaned up. I love seeing him, the post game presser, he's taken. It starts with me. It starts with me, right. I don't think Arch Manning's dead whatsoever. I think he's going to be a very good quarterback. I think he. I think we. It was so popular to kind of on the outing that he had because we all, everybody put him on this pedestal of Heisman front runner, all these things, which was a very unfair thing to have happen happen. But I, I think we're losing sight of how well the Ohio State defense was. I thought their secondary was very good.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Their defense, in total, they were plastered.

[A]

All over the receivers the entire time.

[F]

Three time super bowl champ as your defensive coordinator.

[A]

Right. And I think that's something that was so overlooked by us in the locker room through the conversations throughout the week is Matt Patricia. It's like when we would go play the Patriots and Matt Patricia was the D.C. it was, hey, what is the Rolodex of defense? We're going to be, hey, we're going to have to find out what they're g before we can have a true solid game plan of how we want to attack their defense. And if you are a coaching staff who has not really seen that, where they have the ability to bring seven guys in line, make it seem like it's zero. Now they're dropping in a very unique way. They're moving safeties as the snaps happening as opposed to, you know, with 15 seconds left left on the, on the clock before they snap the ball, where they're not giving you a very clear picture. Matt Patricia, he deserves so much credit. Those players obviously did an incredible job of taking his game plan, making it come to life. But Archman, you can tell early he was holding the holding on the ball for a long time. A lot of question marks around Texas's offensive line. I think for the most part they held up, they did a great job, but he didn't use his legs. I think that was a design thing early in the game is, hey, don't take a lot of hits holding the ball, get it out. And I think by the time we got to the point where Archmanning should have started throwing the ball a little bit more, that's when it was a little too late for him mentally. Matt Patricia threw so many different varieties of defenses at him. Any team that goes into Columbus Week 1 with Matt Patricia as the first year D.C. i think runs into the same exact issue. You're going to run this. It doesn't matter if there's a better team out there. You're going to run to the same issue because there's no film to show what Matt Patricia is going to do with his team just yet. People are going to find answers as they get down, get a little farther down the road. But that is a tough load for even a kid with the last name that he has with being the number one overall recruit with everybody in Texas saying we want him. When you had a quarterback that is in the NFL now starting ahead of him, I think Archmanning is going to be just fine. And I think he's going to. We're going to get halfway through the year and I think we're going to have Texas, Ohio State are going to see each other again.

[D]

We looked over the fact that Matt Patricia is used to, you know, drawn up game plans for winning Super Bowls, game planning against Peyton Manning, Joe Burrow, Ben Roethlisberger, all these elite quarterbacks that he has a roster to where Texas is a very good roster too. But you have like the best players in the country like Caleb Downs. We talk about Dylan Stewart, Stewart being like the best defender in the country. Caleb Downs is one of, if not the best defensive player or player.

[A]

Stewart's 1A downs is 1B.

[D]

Yes. Yeah. Or, or you could even, you could.

[F]

Flip first team all American, his level of iq.

[D]

And even in the NFL in, in college football, there's more glaring tendency football happening.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Based on formations, personnel, situations. NFL is way harder to figure out the schematics of everything because there's so many details and so many iterations where you're doing self scouting. You're playing a lot of the same teams in college. Like it's a Little bit more watered down to where you have more of a, you have more a laser focus on certain tendencies happening. Matt Patricia, he's a bonafide defensive coordinator. He's got talent everywhere and he comes from a philosophy where you take away the best players, you take away the things that they're wanting to do do. Ohio State did a very good job of that. They have freaks at every level of defense. Yeah, they're going to be a very good football team this year.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I think it had more to do with how well the Ohio State defense was filling their gaps or filling their holes from last year. Have a new guy step up again. This is a roster that reloads every year because of how good their recruiting classes are. So everybody was kind of questioning that. Again, every. We were all. I was the same too. You're super high on Arch Manning. You're super high on the. Oh, this is the guy. Sark said this is what he's been building towards. So you drink that Kool Aid. But I think Ohio State's defense is really good. I think Arch Manning just came into the, one of the, arguably the toughest environment to play in on week one. Everything going on. You're going against this Ohio State defense.

[A]

Who just won a national championship. Everyone's juiced up, ready to go.

[D]

It's his team finally. And I think he had a bad game. He missed some throws. People are talking about mechanics and this, that he was, he was an inaccurate quarterback. But I think this is a kid that will. He has the, the, the mental in between his ears to where he's going to be able to look at it again. You're never as bad as they say you are. You're never as good. You get, you put your head down, you get back to work. I think he's going to be just fine. But Ohio State was the better team like it could have. You know they're talking about the failed fourth, fourth down attempts on Texas side.

[A]

Two of them.

[D]

There were times where that game could have been flipped and Texas could have been in the lead.

[A]

Right. And who knows with momentum change, how that stuff starts to go.

[C]

Like.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Especially with a younger defense. A lot of first, first time starters on the off Ohio State. It's like if, if the momentum starts to swing the other way does you start to do you start to see cracks where guys start to press a little too much. Maybe they're not as gap sound as they did seem to be because they were in a controlling position the entire game. Regardless of what the Score says.

[C]

I mean they were.

[F]

They had a chance to tie the game at the end. I mean they fourth. They failed the fourth down version. Yeah, yeah, but like that drive was going to tie the game. So I mean it's like even with. I think the arch hate right now is ridiculous.

[A]

But this is, this is what week one is, dude. Everyone's going to overreact in a positive way and especially in a negative way.

[D]

I mean you've been so. You've. You've seen the, the Shadur narrative get. Get lumped in with the arch stuff just to go beyond and hate and do like that's, it's. It's beyond psychotic on the Internet. But this is not one to where I'm hitting the panic button whatsoever. I think he's gonna be just fine.

[A]

The big bounce back. Can we pull up their schedule real quick?

[D]

And I don't want to say Justin saying again, what is it?

[A]

Julian, Julian.

[D]

Julian. Sam.

[A]

Julian.

[D]

He played a good game.

[A]

He played good enough for his team to win. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

For his first start. Going out there in Texas is good too. Like, again, this is a team that they'll probably see each other again in the College football playoff.

[F]

If Jeremiah Smith had a couple drops, obviously he'll lock in and get that stuff. But I mean, yeah, he did what.

[C]

He had to do.

[F]

Like wasn't making. He didn't lose the game, right?

[A]

Yeah, he didn't lose the game for him. One thing to keep an eye on though, though, is Jeremiah Smith. Well, someone said it was after the first drive he's screaming at Julian saying a little bit he was, he wants the ball, he wants it. And then the following drive has the two drops you talked about had one drop last year. It's one of those things, man, where you got to feed this kid and feed him early, like he knows he's a star. You want this in your wide receiver where they kind of have. It can come off as selfish, but it's true, true. Being a competitor, I want to have the team on my back. I want to be the guy that's going to score the touchdowns for my team.

[C]

Team.

[A]

So gotta feed him. You gotta feed the beast. You gotta. You gotta give them the little. You gotta make the sacrificial name. You got to bring it out there to the gods every once in a while.

[F]

With a player as good as he is, like, there's obviously scheming plays up for him. And I think the re like that one play that you're talking about, that was a deep ball schemed. Up for him.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

And Julian just checked it down instead. So, like, that's why he's pissed. He's like, all right, this is my play.

[A]

Yeah, this is.

[F]

Ball should be and is coming to me. And it didn't. So that's why he.

[A]

One thing that's not playing in Texas's favor and Archman. And getting. Getting back on. Yeah. Getting back on the horse is they got Sam Houston this week or that's September 20th. Can you pull up a little bit? Go up a little bit. Yeah. Utep, Sam Houston.

[D]

And then you go San Jose State.

[A]

San Jose State, UTEP Houston. So you got three. You're three and one right there. But then your next game is also away in Florida.

[C]

Tough.

[A]

Tough with a quarterback. Lagway went off this week. Like Florida's feeling. They're feeling a little frisky right there in the sec. They're hanging out that. Yeah, they're hanging out down there with a bunch of, you know, prehistoric beasts, like, getting ready to get after it.

[D]

I think the SEC is wide open. I think the SEC is wide open. You look at Florida, you look at Texas, you look at Oklahoma with John Mateer.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Vanderbilt looking spicy again. We'll see what happens with Alabama. You got South Carolina, you got Tennessee, you got Georgia. Hadn't even mentioned Georgia yet.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But I think SEC is going to be fun this year.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Georgia, they play Tennessee in two weeks. Right. We just. We just went over that and it's at home. Like, that's a good way to start off your season. Yeah, it's a good way. A couple cupcakes. You get SEC play with a. With a. VS fan base. That's very excited. But it's at your home turf. It's going to be fun to watch the SEC this year. A and M. Yeah, A and M. Which. A and M. Had some struggles.

[D]

They did.

[A]

Had some struggles. They did. But it is week one. Yeah.

[D]

You can't. You love buying into the overreaction of week one because it's fun. But again, it is week one.

[A]

Yeah. You look at A and M and it's like, what are they going to be in South Bend, Indiana this next week? Like CJ Carr, I think he showed a lot of things. We were like, oh, I mean, threw for two touchdowns.

[D]

Surprised with the old line of Notre Dame.

[A]

Oh, Notre Dame, man.

[D]

Or more like surprised at the old line. Maybe they'll get. I'm sure they'll get back on track. But surprising how well the D line for Miami played and got after their Ass. I'm talking about winning one on one battle, getting pressure without. Without having.

[A]

Yeah. Just rushing forward the entire time. And it's like, is Miami's defense that good or is the offensive line that big of a question mark for Notre Dame? Because when you look at logos, you think of. You think of specific things, right? You look at Alabama, Nick Saban's Alabama, you think, oh, it's a national champion. That's a team. You have to worry about every single game with the discipline and all that. You look at Notre Dame, at the very least, you know you're gonna have. You're have a sound defense and a outstanding offensive line. The guys come out of there like getting all the touches, not even really getting touches. Now, is that an injury thing that was going on? Because they moved mountain the slot. They tried to use him as a. A passing threat, and he got loose a couple of times. He had himself a nice. I think it was a catch or a big run that got called back by a tight end hold. He bounced it off to the left side in the red zone. So it was a run. But, man, you got to get back on track with Jeremiah Love especially. I mean, that's my. That was my Heisman pick. Not looking good.

[D]

Carson Beck's got some receivers that can snag it, buddy.

[A]

Was that Tony K kid?

[D]

Yeah, Malachi Tony.

[A]

Malachi Tony, he can do it all. They had him cooking him up the first. You taught your top 15 plays as an OC you're like, how do we get on a good start right now? Seven of those top 15 plays were going to Malachi Tony. Then he's. He's returning punts, he's returning kickoffs. Like, they looked at this kid. He might have been the best kept secret in college football.

[D]

Like, this kid is CJ Daniel with that snag.

[A]

He got them thick dreads, too, from Florida. Speed demon. Yeah, he's like a little. He like a little Tyreek Hillock there. I mean, that number 10 done hurt all, but this kid is impressive. And Carson Beck.

[D]

Carson Beck played very well. And I loved his post game. His post game where he's sitting on. On the field doing an interview. You just tell. He's talking about the adversity he's been through. Fired up for him. I thought he played his ass off.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Silence a lot of people. You saw he was emotional in his post game on the field still with the reporter. He's like, had a hard time even getting his word out because he obviously, he's heard the noise. He heard how people talked about him at Georgia was an issue. Then you start to watch the game and the commentators start talking. Well, was it Carson Becket, Georgia, or was it his receivers having a bunch of drops at Georgia? Maybe Carson Beck is who we originally thought he was.

[D]

Right?

[A]

So that's exciting, man. It's exciting for Florida or sorry, Florida, Miami. The ACC is another juicy little league too with Florida sticking in the upset.

[D]

All the Florida schools in general, Florida, Florida State, Miami. Yeah, yeah. College football, man.

[A]

College football it is. It's already in full force. It's in mid season form.

[D]

Do we dive into our teams? Our teams, Our teams. Did we get into some Big Ten talk?

[A]

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[D]

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[A]

But listen, I know we want to get into our teams real quick, but Canelo Crawford, we're talking about a couple of goats of their era right now. Now leads you to the question of NFL who is a goat best all time?

[D]

Tom Brady. It's no question.

[A]

It's not even close.

[D]

It doesn't matter. I know people argue the baby goat of Patrick Mahomes. It does not matter what Mahomes does the rest of his career. If he does not go to another team and win with another head coach, he cannot cement himself as the greatest of all time. Not to mention he lost in a in when they dueled it out. Tom Brady with the Tampa Bay Buckets twice. New coach, New head coach. Coach beat Patrick.

[A]

Lost him when Tom Brady was at the Patriots. Lost to him when Tom Brady was at the Buccaneers.

[D]

Yeah, so I I don't.

[A]

I don't subscribe to that.

[D]

You don't subscribe.

[A]

I think Pat Mahomes could become the goat. Absolutely. Also elite player. Future friend of the show. Future friend of the show. Patrick.

[D]

He's a friend of the show.

[A]

He's a friend. We need to be friend of the show.

[D]

Need to be friend.

[A]

Need to be a friend of the show. But talking like that is not going to become friend of the show. He'll become enemy of show.

[C]

The.

[A]

Yeah, and we don't want that.

[D]

I didn't think about that.

[A]

But as of. As of right now, you can do it, Pat. As of right now, you got to say Tom Brady.

[G]

I may disagree a little bit. If we're talking solely best NFL football player of all time. Of all time. Football player can play the game of football. The sport of football. I don't know how it wouldn't be Tayson Hill.

[A]

Oh, the Mormon missile.

[G]

And shout out my guy. Cam Jensen in this argument, too, because he always argues for Taysum Hill. The NFL has never seen somebody play so many positions before because there's no athlete out there that's capable of it. Quarterback, tight end, fullback, running back, special teams, kick returner, punt returner.

[A]

And he's had a couple snaps at wide receiver as well.

[G]

Wide receiver.

[A]

He pulled him out in the slot. All of a sudden, boom.

[G]

We're talking strictly football ball. I don't know if anybody has ever been able to do more than Taysom Hill.

[D]

Initial. Initial animal brain reaction. Don't hate the argument.

[A]

Don't hate it at all.

[D]

Don't hate the argument.

[G]

Something for people to chew on as they watch the rest of our episode.

[A]

So what you're saying is take the rings out of it. We're talking about solely playing the game of football.

[D]

Greatest football player going out there.

[G]

Backyard football. You got to draft a guy. Taking Taysom Hill.

[A]

Backyard football. You're taking Taysom Hill over Tom Brady. 10 out of 10 have to.

[G]

You got to be able to move back there.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

Backyard football.

[A]

Yeah, brother. He's never wrong.

[D]

I'm gullible. So you pitch a decent argument to me. I'm buying.

[A]

Boom. You bought that?

[D]

I kind of buy it.

[A]

Swipe the card, baby. I think. I think bustle with the boys is on the stance of Taysom Hill being the best NFL player of all time.

[G]

There's arguments.

[A]

Yeah. Dante Pole, D tackle for Kansas City, had a couple of rushing touchdowns and a Donter Poe.

[F]

Donteri Poe.

[A]

Donteri Poe. D tackle. Pro bowl. D tackle. Had a receiving Touchdown. And he threw for a touchdown as well. So another guy that can maybe do more than Tom Brady.

[C]

Derek Henry.

[A]

Derek Henry. You lose me a little bit when he runs the foot.

[D]

Can run the foot ball.

[A]

Derek Henry. Best pure running back of all time. Pure. Hand him the ball. Receiving threat.

[F]

Barry Sanders.

[D]

Yeah, Barry Sanders. Walter Payton.

[F]

Emmett Smith.

[A]

He's also thrown for a couple.

[D]

The greatest O line of all time for years. But yes, Emma Smith. Listen, I was a fan of the Cowboys in the 90s. Lt was nice. O.J. simpson. Jim Brown.

[C]

Whoa. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

O.J.

[G]

Simpson out there.

[D]

That's athlete, though. You're talking football player.

[A]

Best football player of all time. Taysom Hill. Onward. Big weekend. We've already said it. Teams are five and one sitting on this bus right now. But it all started in Kansas City when the boys flew from Nashville, Tennessee to Kansas City to waste Nebraska Cornhuskers take on the Cincinnati Bearcat. We get. Their confidence is high. I see a scout for the Jets. I go, what are you doing here? He goes, I'm here watching this tight end for Cincinnati. I'm also watching the quarterback for Cincinnati.

[D]

I said, oh, yeah, the D tackle for Cincinnati.

[A]

The tackle for Cincinnati as well. And I go, well, this game's gonna be a blowout, right? And he goes, I don't think it is. I go, no, Nebraska's gonna cover -6 and a half, aren't they? I think this game's a lot closer than. Than what your fan base is hoping for right now.

[D]

You're like, you're telling me the FanDuel sportsbook is wrong, that Nebraska is going to cover six and a half.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he. And he looked me dead in the eyes and he goes, this game is going to be a lot more interesting than you think. It's going to be a lot more interesting.

[D]

Taylor came and told me that. And I was.

[A]

And I told him, listen, I got.

[D]

I don't need to hear that.

[A]

I got to give my boy perfect information. Obviously, it's not the information you want to give to your guy, but, hey, you have to, you know. Yeah, it's like the Vince Fawn movie where he sees his boy's girl cheating on him. It's like, what do you do? You got to tell your boy, even if your messenger gets killed, I got to let him know.

[D]

And eye test wise, it's like you have this idea of Cincinnati, but seeing them in person, like, they got some cats.

[A]

Especially they got some cats. I'm telling you, that kid, that kid is electric. Big boy, big boy. Hard to Take down type of boy.

[G]

F. And that tight end looked the part too.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

Like he. They got to get him probably more involved. Shout out coach step also tight ends coach at cnc.

[D]

He was the homie.

[A]

He's your boy, right? From South Carolina.

[D]

From South Carolina.

[A]

Fan of the show. Soon to be, possibly friend of the show. They apparently the doors are open at Cincinnati for us, which might be a spring tour stop this coming year. But I want to get your impression of the game, your feelings throughout first, second, third, fourth quarter, especially in the fourth quarter. But also next time there's a Nebraska football game we got to go to, we're getting security. We gotta. I mean, it is fucking ridiculous. I mean. And also I actually would like to say this one thing too. Nebraska fans known for being the most polite, generous fan base in all of.

[D]

College football, got a little edge to us now.

[A]

I'm walking through and it's like, well, you're the best, Taylor. Michigan. I'm like, whoa, what are we doing here?

[D]

Even to where I'm saying, easy, easy, easy, easy.

[A]

One guy mistakes. Jack. Thank God Jack took this bull from me. He was wearing a little Kevlar on the chest. Some guys like giving Will the love. Hey, you're the best. You're the greatest. He's fucking putting his back of his throat.

[C]

He looks over at Michigan.

[A]

Yeah, he looks over at Michigan. Michigan goes Michigan to the point where we know how Will's been a little nasty towards Michigan. He's even going, easy, easy.

[D]

Oh, oh, my.

[A]

Listen, boys. Hey, hey, we gotta but down. I'm walking through. I go to take a piss in the second quarter, drunk Nebraska fan comes up to me, goes, oh, my God. Busting with the boys. Taylor would love you guys. Blah, blah. Daps me up. I'm like, hell, man. Appreciate you. Thank you for watching the show. Go big red tonight, am I right? He's like, yeah. I go to take a piss, I whip my little piece out. He goes right next to me in the urinal. And he looks at his boy. Literally. Literally. Not a space in the urinal. Stick goes right next to me. I can hear you. He goes, man, it's so crazy. We got to see the bus with the boys, guys. I mean, it is just Taylor, like, he's not really the boy. Like Will's really the boy, but, like, it's also gonna see myself and my little piece of my hand. He's getting a little gun shy too.

[C]

He's.

[A]

He's getting a little sad. He's starting to. He's starting to turtle up on. Man. We gotta get this place and get out of here, buddy. It's we. This is bullets are flying. Cincinnati comes in out. First time in my life I heard Nebraska Cornhusker fans boo. Cincinnati gets booing with them. Coming out to the field gets a first down Cincinnati or Nebraska booing. Flag on the play in favor of Cincinnati. Nebraska fans booing under review. Go Cincinnati's way. Nebraska fans booing. I'm hearing a lot of fucks. I'm hearing a lot of. I'm seeing a lot of middle fingers. Nebraska fans are fed up for a reason. Thank God we started. Want to know Will Compton you have to the floor.

[D]

Yeah. I think Nebraska fans are sick and tired of being sick and tired. There were people overreacting a lot to what they saw on Thursday night. Overreacting a lot to what they saw on Thursday night. Oh, Nebraska. Oh. They're going to be mid middle of the road team. People forget that Nebraska of old. Nebraska not even of old of recent of last year. Ways to lose that one score game in the fourth. My balls were in my stomach when Sorsby had the ball.

[A]

Ball.

[D]

They just drove down on us running the football and scored and they got the ball with the men in chains left and change left and I am like holy, we might lose this goddamn game. And and look people again forget the things that we've went through. We didn't attempt a field goal over 50 yards last year. We bang one in from 52 with juice left on it.

[A]

Check.

[D]

Like special teams has been such a problem for us. We now have a punter that had three inside the 22 of them inside the 10. We got guys on the outside with Hunter and Key that can go up and get it. You got Jacore. Barney had a drop in the game but Jacore Barney is a hell of a football player. Emma Johnson can run through your face is a plus one guy. You get a one on one. You get a one on one in the hole. Like the balance that he has in low center of gravity. Gravity. We have a good running back. We have a good line. We have guys at every position. 44 offense. 44. JP identified him right out of the gate. That's going to be a player for you guys.

[A]

That's a college football player right there. That's what he said.

[D]

44 making plays out there at the tight end spot. Raiola. It came out. You let the games play out all weekend long and you see the ebbs and flows, the way people feel about their team and then it doesn't they're not up to expectations coming out of that game. Raiola was what one of. I want to say Lenore Sellers probably in that category too. But before Sunday kicks off, the only P4 quarterback to play against other people, another P4 program and have over 200 plus yards, over 60% completion rate and two touchdowns.

[A]

70%.

[G]

I think he was the only. Carson Beck probably got it. But the thing, it was just them too.

[D]

Right? But the metric was 60. Yeah. Dylan was like 70% plus on completion. Like I wish we would have took more shots downfield. But they played it very, very soft. Two shell, even three shell at times with safety. So we're just taking. We're taking what the defense gives us. For me, I come out of that game optimistic because we find a way to lose that game. Last year, the year before, the year before, the year before, the year before and the year before, we find a way to somehow lose.

[A]

I think there's actually one more year before.

[D]

Yeah. Another year before.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And so I was fired up. There's a lot of stuff to build on, a lot of things to grow, a lot of things to grow from. Situationally, you can't have a false start when you, you're. When you're on the goal line, you're on the one yard line, you have a false start, you get pushed back, you end up settling for three when you want seven in that situation. And the defense again balls in everybody's stomach. We need to play defensively. Who's going to show up. It happened twice with our black shirt defense in the second quarter before the half when they throw that little underneath route, Buddy lights him up, fumble. We get the ball back, score before we go on the halftime again, you want to come out and get points. And then again at the end of the game, game is it. Hartzog, number seven, gets a defensive holding penalty. And again that's where I'm like, God damn it, this is going to happen on week one. This is going to happen on week one. Gets a defensive holding penalty but keeps his. JD Pikel says this, keeps his competitive composure and comes out the next play and makes a massive interception to seal the game. A lot of times again you go up, you're in your own head as a player. You can't move on to the next play. You might go up and pbu that or break it up or what. He secures the football, gets a massive turnover. I think there should be a lot of optimism. There is a lot of growth. I kind of like the spot we're in. Because the big game, as a fan that you look at on the schedule, you don't want the players to do on the schedule is you look at Michigan in week four. So you should be coming out of that game, you know, with a lot of things to correct and a lot of optimism. Hey, we can do this, we can do that. But we got to hone in the situational football tore your assholes a little tight all the way up to where you brew September 20th Michigan Bus and Bowl because again, you got Akron, you got. Is it hcu. Who is that? Houston Christian. Christian at home.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So we're going to be comfortable. We're going to be working on things we need to work on. But it's like the tail is going to be week four against Michigan. Whereas your guys's test comes more this week. This week for you guys.

[A]

I like to give like one thing that impressed me the most about Nebraska. They finished the game plus one in the turnover margin. That to me was a plus one or two. No plus one because I don't think.

[D]

We turned the ball. Oh, no, no.

[A]

Because you guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dylan got the. Well, there were. There was three separate fumbles. Three different times that Nebraska corner offense put the ball on the ground.

[D]

That usually goes into the opponent.

[A]

Usually goes to the opponent. So that, that right there, it's like. It's a God thing. It's a. It's a football gods type of thing. But like last year, the year before, the year before, the year before, the year before and the year before, that ball goes in the hands of Cincinnati. Now shame on Cincinnati for being one of the DBs trying to scoop and score the situation. Get on the ball. Yeah, you're trying to make it ESPN top 10 move. You end up being on the ESPN, not top 10 by not picking up that ball. However, the ball goes on the ground for Nebraska's offense three separate times. They recover it three separate times. That is a change. That is a visual change. You can see in the Nebraska Cornhuskers can always choose how the ball bounces your way. But when you've had so many years as a Cornhusker fan, watching the ball go that way against you, it's nice to see it come for you. So I don't know if it was plus one or plus two last year. Nebraska cornhole averaged one and a half turnovers a game. They had zero in this last game.

[D]

And field goal, we had three blocked last year.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Low trajectory kicker and again didn't attempt one over 50 like, you got a guy that puts it in from 52.

[A]

And who's your boy? Eckler. Is that his name?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

EK I will say this about EK. I'm wearing. I'm in Nebraska uniform. I got the red shoes on. I got the Nebraska shirt, I got the Nebraska hat. We sneak off because these NFL rules in the Kansas City City. We sneak off for a moment, get on the sideline, we see e dap him up, give him love. I say, hey, you see the fit? He goes, I love it. I go, I give you this right now. But September 20th, obviously, I'm. I'm hoping for you guys downfall. He goes. He looks me dead in the eyes and he goes, we don't need you. I'm just having. I'm just trying to have a good time with you. And he just smiles and dabs me up and walks away like that is. I love him more for it. I love him more for it. Looked me dead in the eyes, drew a line in the sand and goes, that's my boundary right there. I said, you got it, brother. Absolutely fired up for Nebraska. There's so much to clean up. Would have loved to see.

[D]

Can't give up over 200 on the ground.

[A]

Can't give up 200 on the ground. Yeah, that was a bit of a sieve, but it's also a very mobile quarterback that had a twitch that you don't. He just seemed like he was moving at a different gear than everybody else in the field. No disrespect to the Cornhuskers defense, but that guy, Kid, he was just. He was a notch faster than the rest of everybody else in the field. I would have loved Raiola, his completion percentage just. Just by. I don't. I don't want to do the comparison because it's not.

[C]

It's.

[A]

It would cause a fluster, but, like, he had a lot of completions. A lot of those came from checkdowns. He had a couple of nice throws in the end zone that got him a touchdown. I would have loved to see an attempt at an X play through the year. Oh, that's. That's. I think it's the one thing you look at of Nebraska fan and be like, love the stat line, love the rating, love the completion percentage, love the yards. Would have loved to see the. He threw that dime right there, you.

[D]

Know, And I'm sure they're all thinking, and even the staff is looking at the way they call the game being like, oh, we could have took a show. You could have done this here could have done this there.

[A]

Yeah. Because butthole's got a little tight. I mean, as it should have. Right. How many times that not go your way?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Nebraska or Cincinnati, a team that in the Bay 12 is kind of picked.

[D]

They might win the whole thing.

[A]

One of the teams that finished last in the B12, I think they're going shock some people this year.

[D]

I think they'll shock.

[A]

Yeah. I think Kansas State cooked. Cooked. They're done. Dude. Avery Johnson's dad is somewhere. He's. I gotta look out for Avery Johnson's mom, man. We got to make sure everyone's safe in that household. Like, it is tough, man.

[D]

Cincinnati is now fifth.

[A]

Now fifth. I think they were towards the bottom. They're way worse. Oh, no. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Not fit. That's just where the scrolling was.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Plus 2500 in the sports.

[A]

And I love that the Big 12 has 20 teams, but it's the Big 12. I love that the Big Ten has Big 12.

[D]

Wide open.

[G]

Kansas.

[D]

Kansas looks good. Kansas looks good.

[A]

Did you guys watch Arizona State at all?

[D]

I thought it was a little too close.

[A]

That's. That's. You're looking at your casual score. Yeah, you're looking. You're looking at the score. Because I. I mean, I didn't get to watch the game in full. Obviously. They play 1am either. No, I went back and watched the game. Okay. I went back and watched the game. Sam Lovett, great touch on the football. He's got a kid. I forget his name. He's number zero. If you looked that up for asu. Jordan, Tyson, Jordan, Tyson. That kid had so many catches that you're like, holy, this guy is a dog. Who's the cat? Their receiver, Their running back room. They ran all over the yard on nau. They did. Their defense did a great job of standing up. Sam Levitt had one uncharacteristic throw by him. But I feel like that offense is going to be cooking in a big way. They're going to. They get to go across the country to Mississippi State this week. It'll be fun to watch. I think they're favored by six and a half right now, which I think. I think Arizona State, because you. You put on Mississippi State's game. They played Southern Missouri.

[F]

That was close.

[A]

It was close in the first half. They really pulled away in the second half, but I think it was like 10. 10, something like that. It was. It was tied up in the. And it's like they had a nice little running back who came from the Sunbelt. He. He can Move it around a little bit. But their offensive line looked a little slow, a little lethargic. They're the speed that you see the SEC with when you have the SEC logo on your chest. Mississippi State doesn't have that right now, so it'll be fun to see that game for sure.

[D]

Team that's got some juice in the Big 12, too, is Utah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Out of UCLA, that OC and quarterback that came up from New Mexico, like, they're nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Hey, quarterback's nice.

[A]

I'll say this too, man. Like, Josh Pate said it like, Utah State had an uncharacteristically bad year. They're used to getting 9, 10, 11 wins every single year they have a bad year. Last year, everyone kind of writes them off. Utah, those utes, man.

[G]

I want to hear about Michigan.

[D]

Yeah, let's talk into Michigan. We were kind of getting off the rails. Let's get. Hey, Bryce Underwood. That's a. That's easy. He's a guy.

[A]

He's a. He listen.

[D]

But he's got some zip. Some zip on the ball.

[A]

I have some unhealthy optimism about our football season now after watching that game.

[D]

Take place kind of close for a second.

[A]

When you look at the score, you think to yourself, it got kind of close for a second. Second. However, when you watch that game, and this is. If this doesn't happen, then this. And I know that conversation is just kind of disgusting for a lot of people, especially if you're not a fan of Michigan. That team, New Mexico gets seven points on. On a fumbled kickoff return. Okay. Ends up going where they have this insane trick play where they. They hit a ground ball. They have a little ground ball to the running back. He pops it over to tight end who gave us troubles. Number seven from New Mexico gave us troubles game. That's seven the. In the third quarter. Or is it the beginning of the fourth quarter when they march down the field and they end up scoring seven? You have three different third downs of third and 10, plus that Michigan stopped them with other incomplete pass, a sack, fumble, or a PBU that gets called back because of. Because of a penalty. So if you're a Michigan team, the thing you need to look at is this. When I put the film on, when I'm watching the film in the University of Michigan on offense and defense, it's like those both offensive defense played very well. You have to clean up. You have to clean up the fumble. Number four, he's a rookie. He had that. There was also another one where he had A little wheel route that Bryce Underwood basically hit him in the head. He just wasn't even looking. But at the defense, I love the way they played. They played 27 different guys on their defense.

[D]

I don't like how they gave up 21 for first downs.

[A]

21 first downs. A lot of those come from the penalties that happen as well. You have J. Sean Jayshawn Barham, who gets ejected. That is going to be appealed. We'll see if he doesn't. If he does not play against Oklahoma, that's a huge. That's a huge.

[D]

And that sucks. That, like, everybody's been bitching about the targeting. And I. I agree with what the world is saying. It's like that is a. That is. That cripples college football.

[A]

Cripples college football.

[D]

Like, suspending the kid the next week is crazy.

[A]

That play was a fumble that was returned for a touchdown that was being reviewed to see if it was a fumble at all. There was no penalty fight in the play. They review it, they call it targeting and they say the kid's disqualified. To me, it's like, man, like, what. What are we doing in that situation? Like, yeah, his helmet hits the other kid's helmet, but he's not like putting his crown of his helmet down. He's wrapping him up. It's.

[D]

He even tried turning his face, right?

[A]

And listen, from New Mexico, you got to give New Mexico a lot of credit. Like that kid Lane, he was under pressure all night long, whether it was four or five coming at him. He think he was pressured over 17 times in that game. He took three or four sacks. But you had a revolving door of a very strong defensive line and a front seven that was making him uncomfortable all day. He's. He's the most sore guy in all of culture. Ball Lane comes from Idaho State. Same guy, the head coach for New Mexico. He was also out of Idaho State. This is the same team that gave Oregon fits last year where they only be lost to Oregon by three points. So that's that. They're. They're a better football team than a lot of people are getting credit for.

[D]

I mean, they were the 130th at 132 defenses. Coming out of last year.

[A]

Yeah, coming out of last year. But you look at Florida state, who was 10 and 2 last year, they have 23 new transfers. I think New Mexico. What's that?

[F]

2 and 10?

[A]

2 and 10. He's sorry. They were 2 and 10 last year. They have 23 transfers. They end up turning. I mean, it seems like they've really turned their season around with the upset against Alabama. New Mexico is another team that had a shitload of transfers as well with this coach and this quarterback who has had success against power four teams before. I'm not saying New Mexico's world beaters.

[D]

You look at Florida State, we talk about New Mexico.

[A]

When you look at Bryce Underwood as a Michigan fan, you think, I just want to see completed passes first. First play of the game. It's a bubble screen out to Samaj Morgan. Great, great blocking on the perimeter. He gets a first. First down. Bryce Underwood had negative five rushing yards and I think it's for a reason. I think they told him don't run, take as little hits as possible. He was hit two games. Both of them were his fault. The kid has, I mean his release is incredible. He was putting the ball in a great spot every single time. If he missed, he missed in front of the guys. He had a great. Like they were backed up. I mean, you take the two minute. The two minute was incredible. They're backed up on the two yard line. They run an RPO and he puts it over over two other defenders and puts it right in Klein's. Right in Klein's hands. That's a tight end. The kid comes out, he's jumping around right before, which I'm getting nervous about. Like this kid's. He's a little too hyped up before first game of the year. He's a. And he seemed poised. The game didn't seem too fast from. I know it's New Mexico, I understand, but the level of optimism when he ran the ball we did with a, you know, as a day one install. They did nothing pretty the entire game. They were very basic on the defensive side of the ball. Ball. Very basic on the offensive side of the ball. They ran RPOs with while still blocking. The defensive end like Bryce Underwood was never going to run that game. It was very apparent, which happy for me, which makes me feel really good about the game coming up. That gives me the optimism. Oklahoma rushes for 44, 44 yards against the FCS school. They are obviously very good throughout the year. Their offensive line seems like a bit of a problem. It seems like who's it. Matier was under pressure a little bit. And boys, I'm telling you, we get this offensive line to gel a little bit. The run game is there. Justice Hayes, thank you so much, Garrett, for letting me have that boy. Because he ran for 157 yards on 15 carries and three touchdowns. It fires me Up.

[D]

I'm just glad that you could tell watching that game, they very much had a plan to match the identity of what the wanted to do. Like, you know, big time run a lot of run scheme, get them on the perimeter, move in the pocket, boots play action. Like they knew what they wanted to do with Bryce.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I think he, like, he can zip the fucking ball. And you, you'll get to see how good the team is. Like when you play against Oklahoma because, you know, Oklahoma, again, no, not taking credit away from New Mexico, but this is, this will be a different ball club. Windows will be tighter, defenders will be a lot better. Scheme will be a lot harder to identify. And then they have like, again, you look at how New Mexico they did. Michigan did it. Shoot themselves in the foot with a lot of different penalties. But New Mexico like being able to move the ball like John Mateer seems to be as advertised. Like they're going to. Oklahoma is going to have an offense. So Michigan's defense will be tested this weekend.

[A]

Right? And it'll be.

[D]

You can find our picks on the locker room.

[A]

Josh, you can find your picks in the locker room. If you're, if you're thinking as a Michigan fan, Bryce Underwood needs to be the guy to beat Oklahoma, I think you have the wrong thought process. Like you need to win first and second down, keep their offense off of the field and put Bryce Underwood in a, in a situation to be successful on third and manageable third imagable downs. Brent Venable, like he's had what, 10 years of success at Clemson being an absolute stud.

[D]

He's Oklahoma, he's, he's a defensive minded cat.

[A]

He's a defensive mind Cat took over the play calling. They look good. I mean the interior of their defensive line is really solid. It's going to be a fun game. Game. It's going to be a fun game to watch. I cannot wait to see how Michigan, how this Bryce Underwood Cat walks into Norman and is he, is he the guy who he says he, who he says he is? Because it's exciting, man. I actually, I feel so optimistic about this Oklahoma game. So incredibly optimistic. I can't wait to see how it all goes down. But yeah, we have the forward pass again.

[D]

Yeah, Bryce Underwood is a good player. He's a very good. He'll be a very good player, man.

[G]

A game y' all didn't touch on Clemson, lsu. I don't know if you have anything to make of it other than yeah, Nussmeier looked good.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Operating the LSU's defense showed up to play looked very good. I thought Clemson's defense did a hell of a job. But Clubnik in a couple of those, especially at the end of the game when. And you can tell LLSU had an MA where they're sending all the backers. And I want to say Perkins, number seven comes from the outside. You had a cat wide open over the middle on that. I believe it was fourth down to where you try to force it in on that slant and kind of just going through it. All you do is go through one progression. You're going to see Buddy wide open. I felt like that was, I would say uncharacteristic. Maybe others would say that's not uncharacteristic of Kate Klubnick. But I was disappointed that he wasn't able to. To capitalize on that MA by LSU's decent. But LSU's defense to me was the. Was the sticking point of this game. It's like, you know, how are they going to be. Nuss Meyer is a great quarterback. He's going to be a good quarterback. He's going to operate really well. The defense has always kind of let them down in the past, giving up a lot of yardage. Clemson has a lot of talent across the board on both sides also returning as well. Yeah. Yeah, across the board. And for LSU's defense to show up like that, like they were flying around, man, it was, it was a fun game to watch.

[F]

The Weeks boys were out there playing.

[D]

Weeks boys were out there playing.

[A]

I mean, you brought him up. Is it Perkins? Harold Perkins Jr. I mean, he was out there flying around. He is back in a big way. Like, I mean, Josh Pate said he's the honey badger, but twice his size.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The biggest question mark going in this game for a lot of people that were choosing Clemson was LSU's offensive line. I thought they had a good day. Yeah, I thought they had a good day in protection. They had a great day. Moving the line of scrimmage. Like, I am very impressed by LSU, you and answering the bell, especially on week one when they've been 0 and 5 since 2019. It's impressive. It's exciting to see what's going to happen with the Tigers. Yeah.

[G]

I feel like Garrett Nussmeier like won the most of all the big time quarterbacks this week because he got the marquee matchup. He was dueling against another big time right.

[D]

Quarterback favorite to a lot of people.

[G]

Right.

[A]

Veteran quarterbacks. And he came out on top.

[H]

Yeah.

[G]

And he made it obvious too, in my Opinion. I know I'm a South Carolina fan, but objectively I'm watching the game and I'm thinking Nussmeier looks like he's on a different level than clubnick at Clemson too. At Clemson, like, it, it didn't feel like they were playing a road game the way they were playing.

[A]

A lot of people talking about Nuss Meyers when he get into like really tight games like he was, he would press a little too much and make mistakes. Seemed like a lot of maturity came from him when he was like, hey, if he runs into an issue, let's throw the ball away. Let's check it down. Let's, let's, let's live for another down, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[G]

So it made me, made me happy to watch as much as I can't stay in LSU after last year. But because Clemson's D line, I mean, clips of defense played well. And I will say this, that their safety, number five, Clemson's.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

I cannot wait until number 16 on South Carolina puts his helmet in his chest and bowls him over at the end of the year. That guy is non stop running his mouth.

[A]

Mike Culprit. Targeting.

[D]

Get it?

[G]

Yeah, that's fine offensive targeting, but like non stop running his mouth on plays that he's not necessarily making. And Clemson is always good for one white dude on their defense to be that guy. And their safety was doing it. And I'm like, I cannot wait till Lenore Sellers gets to just run you over.

[D]

South Carolina Gamecock. J.P. hovey, you went to Atlanta this weekend. A lot of optimism coming out of that game. The one thing that I was pissed about because I didn't feel like it should have been. Been close the way it was, is Johnson, that backer, number zero, looks like a unit, a stud. He picks it off and doesn't go down in the end zone, pins him back on like the one or two yard line. Lenoris ends up getting sacked for a safety. That kind of keeps them in the game. Yeah, you guys looked like a first drive. Everybody's tweets coming out. Oh, South Carolina juggernaut.

[G]

Everybody was tweeting.

[A]

Everybody. Dude.

[D]

Dude.

[G]

It was crazy. It was, I mean, it was, it was kind of perfect for us. I know. I mean, we, there's a lot to clean up in the O line, but we had our, our big flashy plays that the team can be excited about going into the week that the coaches can get excited about. And we have so much to coach them on, but we're just a fun team all around because our we're so like, it sounds crazy to say, but we're star studded with Lenore Sellers. The third and six or like third and twelve play he makes on his first.

[A]

Yep.

[G]

Shedding two tacklers. Like I don't know if any other quarterback is able to do that in the country. Dylan Stewart, seven tackles, one sack, one and a half tackles for a loss.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

And when he's making his sack because he was getting double teamed all day and it was. Virginia Tech was starting to drive. They were like on the 35 yard line and Stewart just flies out of nowhere.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

Sax him. Junior Johnson, the. The linebacker, insane. And then the punt return something that.

[D]

Beamer ball off with little Frank there too. And Dylan gives him the ball after the game or not Dylan gives him. Gives him the ball after the game.

[A]

Dude. One thing I thought was so weird by Virginia Tech is there were multiple passing downs where they would like pull a guard, keep it open, slide to the left, pull a guard on Stewart. It's like you're just asking to get your aspie right. And then when they had to get in those third, like the situations where they have to throw the ball, they're not chipping. A lot of times they weren't sliding. And it's like, bro, that guy is a menace. He will ruin your day. You ended up doing it. It's like, where is the from a coaching staff standpoint? Like, how are you not making that adjustment at halftime being like, hey, we got to put two guys in this guy at all times. That's just what it is. Like, let's get to the second level. I know Johnson, he's an absolute stuff. But like, let's get to Johnson so this, this Stewart kid doesn't ruin the day for us.

[D]

And not the full on. Just talk about South Carolina. VTech was fighting now. Nice. Their backers are good.

[A]

Nice balls.

[G]

The receivers, they were making some plays.

[A]

And having just a couple of drops where it's like we might be saying something different.

[G]

The drops made no sense because they're making plays where like our DB is in position playing great defense and they're laying out for it, snagging it.

[D]

I'm like, yo, this is bro.

[A]

How about Nick harbor, like early in the game, gets a couple catches, has a drop where you're like, that's what everyone's been saying about him all last year. Year. And then just that 10, one speed down like it was.

[G]

I mean the play action, it does feel like a video game. And this is the first time everybody's Been running that play in the video game, and this is the first time we've got to see it in real life.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

And I swear, though, we. We've got to clip his mouthpiece because it's never in and it's. And it's pretty long. And he hasn't been playing wide receiver enough to where his hands are, as sure as they could be. And when that. When they showed me the replay on the screen, the mouthpiece was, like, kind of dangling where his hands were. And I'm like, dude, if this lime green mouthpiece ruins this moment, we're going to have some problems. But I liked it because we have a lot of other talented receivers, and I wish they could have gotten involved more, but I like it going forward because other teams, it's like they don't really know exactly what we're going to be bringing. And the best part about Shane being Beamer, we always under him, have played our best football in November. So if we're able to rise our level of play in August and September and October just a little bit, we're going to be in good shape.

[D]

Just from watching the game, it's like the. The obvious is cleaning up just the O line. It seems like there's specifically the left guard and left tackle miscommunications going on to where. It's not like they're. There's times where they get beat, but I'm saying there's times where there's just like free runners coming up the middle and not just picking up the pressure.

[A]

That three technique had a nice little forklift on that left guard. Like, it's one of those. You got to tip the cab. Like, that's a hell of a move.

[D]

Right?

[C]

Yeah.

[G]

Apparently they have a really good D line.

[A]

Yeah, well, they. It seemed that way. And they were running games really well.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, they. They were definitely identifying which side you were sliding to and then manipulating in a. In a game on the man side. So, yeah, that. I mean, if I'm walking out of that, I'm a little nervous with that left tackle and left guard just kind.

[D]

Of the lull in the second third quarter because you kind of want to keep the momentum. Obviously, the first drive is like the first drive you want to have in any game.

[C]

Right.

[D]

But what I love about watching South Carolina is like, we're talking about the effort and the loafing and stuff on Bama. It's like there's no lack of effort with the South Carolina game cost, dude.

[G]

And they send a message on defense. Like, there's always three guys around the ball, and there's always one dude that comes in and lays extra hit.

[D]

Right.

[G]

Like, when it's getting stood up, you just see a guy leave his feet.

[D]

Right. You can tell they're excited and they love to play with each other.

[A]

Right.

[D]

It obviously starts with coach Beamer.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

The way he gets everybody juice. He's. He's done such a good job there. But you just, you feel the energy with South Carolina so much to Beamer.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

Like, the, the style of defense we play is very, like, opportunistic, and it leaves open big plays because you're trusting your DBs and your safety to really, like, win their matchup.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

But it frees up the linebackers to do their thing. And if you have a good linebacker core, which it looks like we do.

[A]

Yeah. You play in South Carolina this week, you're putting on that film, and you're a little nervous about the defense. They fly around after the first play.

[E]

It's a little, like, bounce out. Sellers just hits, like, a easy little pass. They get like, 7 yards. Beamers running after STS.

[A]

Him up the tight end with a, with a, with a. The cowboy collar. Yeah. That's college football right there.

[E]

That's the culture.

[A]

That's. That is the culture. Culture. And dude, seeing Shane Beamer as the game's ending, picking up his kid. Look at him, like, showing him around. Like, there's looking up in the air, like, brings a tear to your eye because you're just, like, you could tell how much that meant to him. Frank Beamer's there. He's wearing. He's wearing a Gamecock T shirt.

[H]

It's like, I have a question, and this is, this has nothing to do with my SEC bias. Anything is truly just. I want answers from everyone. Obviously. JP they Gatorade dumped Beamer after the game.

[A]

Game.

[H]

Is that.

[F]

I think it's strictly for the V. Virginia Tech ties.

[A]

Yeah, I think so. Fitting.

[D]

I'm not.

[H]

I, I don't have a stance at this point. I just want to know.

[A]

I, I, the.

[D]

What are you wanting to know?

[A]

They dump Gatorade on Beamer.

[H]

On Beamer after the win.

[D]

And what are you asking?

[H]

Is that. Is it. Is. Is it appropriate for the moment? Is it too much Week one, Like, I'm not here, like, doing some underlying, like, I have a stance. I, I just saw this on Twitter, like, 20 minutes ago. And so I, While we're talking about.

[D]

I'd like to, I think from a casual fan, I can see, why are we dumping Gatorade But I think if you understand the history of Beamer ball, Virginia Tech coach Shane Beamer going there while his dad was the head coach.

[H]

Sellers giving Beamer to big Beamer.

[D]

Yeah.

[H]

Game ball was cool, too.

[D]

So I. I think it was appropriate. And I think it speaks to, like, the. The tightness and the culture that they have going on there that even the players identified that they. That Coach Beamer is having some such moment with his old man being there.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You take a punt return to the house, that's Beamer ball, man.

[A]

Yeah. Shout out.

[H]

Austin Winfrey, too.

[C]

I mean, yeah.

[H]

North Carolina coach.

[D]

You think it's too much, Jack?

[H]

No, I really don't. I'm not taking a stance.

[D]

I just, you know, I don't know.

[H]

Because, I mean, as a Tennessee fan, we rushed the field beating Bama this past year, and people were pissed about that. I even was so, like, I know there's probably one or two South Carolina fans out there that, like, this is too far. Like, we're getting ahead of it. But then I think because of it being the Beamer Bowl. Yes, it is. It's justified.

[A]

No, I think I don't see any issue with it at all. Cool dude. His dad was a legendary coacher for almost three decades. Gets to open up the season against his old man's old team. He grew up there. Talk about Shane wearing. Wearing a headset, wanting to be a coach. Watching his dad being like, I used to have friends over, and I used to go in the other room and pretend to call plays with the headset because my dad was like that. And now you get to sit there as a head coach for the. For the Gamecocks and watch your dad's old team and have the opportunity to play against them in a, you know, whatever, the aflac, you know, an Atlanta game.

[D]

Because you haven't played him since, what was it, 1991?

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

The year your boy was born.

[G]

All I can hope is that Shane's son doesn't follow the same path as Shane, because that just means in about 30 years, 40 years, I'm gonna be facing Hunter Beamer on the opposite sideline. He's going to take down the Gamecocks. I need him. I need him on our staff if he wants to be a coach.

[A]

Just takes over after a couple of.

[D]

South Carolina fun, too. With the next couple weeks. Is Vanderbilt being spicy? Pavia looked really good. Their whole team looked good. Is. They got Virginia Tech this week, they got VTEC this week. And then week three, you got Vandy out at South Carolina, I think that's gonna be a fun game. Shout out.

[A]

We.

[H]

We need to. But I did see this on Twitter this morning. Both of Pavia's brothers were arrested after on Saturday night.

[A]

Hell yeah. Both of them. For what?

[D]

Yeah, surprising the admit.

[H]

I. I assume. I think it was PIs or just like drunk it.

[C]

I think they got in a drunk.

[A]

Fight at a bar. That's.

[C]

Don't quote me.

[A]

We don't have to, we don't have to cut that.

[D]

It just matters more for the Pavia.

[A]

Yeah. The Pavia family. Like what else would you expect?

[H]

I mean it really.

[A]

A family full of wrestlers.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Shirts off, headbands on. They're like what'd you say? Yeah, my brother's a good greatest. And they just take his ass down, put him in a choke.

[H]

If they got in a fight solely for defending Diego's name that you. I mean as a guy with two younger brothers, that would fire me up.

[A]

Fire Juicy in total.

[H]

Yeah. Maybe not though.

[A]

But anyways, I kind of, I mean we'll get to the locker room but right now early thoughts are I like, I like Vandy.

[H]

They. As, as a Tennessee fan, it was South Carolina. No congrats to Vandy for actually having a full stage stadium and I'm not making hateful comments.

[C]

It's.

[H]

It actually is cool to see Vandy have fans in the stadium.

[A]

That's awesome.

[H]

Good for you guys.

[A]

Shout out Vandyman. Big one coming up this week for you guys. Nothing bigger than Oklahoma. Michigan though. Might be, might, might be bigger than Texas, Ohio State.

[D]

And just for people tuning in, it seems like we're going to stream it. Yeah, we'll be doing Thursday Night Football in the NFL all season long.

[C]

Long.

[D]

And there, there's going to be a handful that we do for college, but it seems like this would be a fun one to stream.

[A]

I think we stream this one. I'm excited about it, buddy. I'm telling you, you get the continuity in the offensive line from Michigan, that defense steps up, plays well, you get a good run game going, we could set Norman on fire. I mean because if, if Oklahoma loses that game, they are calling for coach's head.

[D]

You think so?

[A]

I mean, yeah, the year they had.

[D]

Last year depends if they lose, how they lose.

[A]

Yeah, but you look at Oklahoma, you have John Mateer. He's a Heisman. Everyone's saying Heisman. He's impossible. He's going to be sitting there possibly holding up the trophy. He'll definitely be in a suit before Michigan who has a quarterback that turned 18 years old 13 days ago and he is able to walk in and get done what a lot of people think can't be done in normal Norman. I think people in Norman are apparently that fan base is as insane as they come too.

[D]

Just listen to a couple out there.

[A]

So yeah, it'll be. It'll be very interesting.

[D]

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[D]

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They look good. They look even better with that T shirt on too. In my hand I have the mic envelope. True Classic Gooner of the month. Drum roll please. This month's gooder of the month is Garrett and I will say it was not close this week you had a lot of votes comments my Monroe, Alabama.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Now comments might be saying this is pity voting, but this is not pity voting.

[A]

They might be. We're just saying it might be.

[E]

Well then I won't tell you that I voted for Will.

[D]

So. Oh, lot of pity vote.

[E]

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[D]

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[E]

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[D]

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[A]

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[D]

The bus and bowl tees. My God.

[A]

I'll say this. I come in every day. I come into the shop. At one point Garrett comes up to me, hey, I want to show you something real quick. He's showing me spooktober merch. He's working on the merch that just come out last week. He showed me the bustin bowl merch, the hats, everything. The dude is dialed in when it comes to the merch. I love it. It gets me a little rocked up when I see bustin with the boys stuff. Taking new steps every single week. Shout out. Yuji. You've done an incredible job, not just with the merch, but with everything, man.

[D]

Moving targets when we're traveling. Keeping us, keeping everybody in check with schedule. Everything you have, you've been crushing.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Loved to have seen. Because I know you would have still kept the optimism. Would have loved to have seen us traveling after the Bama game happened. Like to say the Bama game happens on Thursday and then we're going the weekend through traveling. Like just seeing how steady.

[A]

How. Yeah.

[D]

How knowing that you're ready to fight.

[E]

It would have been mask on.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

See. Yeah. It'll be less conversational.

[E]

I'll channel that internally. And then next time, if a Nebraska fan gets crazy on Taylor, maybe I'll swing.

[A]

Yeah. Swing on his ass. Yeah.

[D]

Then we apologize.

[A]

Nebraska nastiest fan base becoming. Becoming the nastiest fan base out there.

[D]

We got a chip on our shoulder. The expectations a little high.

[A]

All the good ones are dying off, man. All the ones that remember.

[D]

I'm like, yeah, the older generation sign off. You got the new wave coming, right?

[A]

The new new wave. Angry fans. Yeah.

[E]

It was loud and arrowhead, dude.

[D]

Yeah. I wish we got to like be more in it to.

[A]

To feel. Yeah.

[D]

Because I was watching, you know, your boy. I was getting some free time, though.

[E]

That was a nice spot to be.

[A]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

[D]

Fanduel had a great setup for us, but I watched the TV copy back. Just kind of watch the flow of the game and everything. And you could feel like on third downs and everything else, like watching on tv. It was rock and arrowhead. Just number one rips to begin with. Like one of the best stadiums in the NFL. Their fan show you up. Chiefs fans are also Husker fans. It was. It was rocking. 95 of tickets were sold to Nebraska fans. Nebraska also took over Nashville over the weekend because the volleyball team was playing against Kentucky at Bridgestone.

[A]

Let's go.

[D]

And it was just a sea of red all over Nashville.

[E]

They were on midianized flight.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

You know, back home without my AirPods.

[D]

Big Red travels, man.

[A]

How was that flight? You guys got delayed.

[E]

I raw dogged it the whole way home.

[A]

Home.

[D]

That tweet was funny, bro.

[E]

I. I had another play that I was going to quote tweet it later with almost your verbatim. Forgot the IQ level is so low on here.

[A]

And just. Just don't down on it.

[E]

No, not rip you. Rip everyone else. But yeah, that was a tough flight.

[F]

With AirPods not having a real ID ended up working Out. They just had to like swipe my hands and just read it and it's.

[C]

A.

[A]

Oh, so real ID is kind of fake.

[F]

No, I. So I think so. When I called the airport they were like, yeah, we're still having some leeway. So I think eventually it's going to come to. You need to get it or you're cooked.

[A]

Done.

[D]

Get your real id. Yeah, get on it.

[E]

People of the episode.

[A]

Dude, let's get to this Jason Kelce episode.

[D]

Just before we kick it, I do want to flirt a couple things out there for fans still on fans handle an over in win totals this year. I love the Titans over five and.

[E]

A half so much. So Taylor almost put it in his porn.

[A]

They got murdered by Nebraska.

[D]

Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I, I know, listen, I know Nebraska starts week.

[A]

I think at this point it's like when the game is going that way, I'll sacrifice my money for your happiness.

[D]

Yeah. And what I usually do anyway, like I didn't bet on the minus six and a half. I put Nebraska money line in a parliament delay because I personally hate like close. I just hate doing spreads with Nebraska because I don't want to be bummed. I want to be fired up that we won.

[A]

Right.

[D]

But I don't want to be bummed if we didn't cover. Like I don't want my emotional state being wrapped up.

[E]

Will had us all drink the Kool Aid for the spread and behind closed.

[A]

Doors, the way he was talking in the locker room, I, we got done with the locker room and I go, will, tell me why I shouldn't put thousands and thousands of dollars on Nebraska minus six and a half. He goes, body, body truck. Trust me, trust me, buddy. Like I gotta look at myself in the mirror too and be like, I gotta, I gotta bet responsibly when it comes to Nebraska. Thank God we had that conversation.

[D]

I say that and I still might have. Let me just check my subtle bets. I had kind of an up and down weekend.

[A]

It would be a tough.

[D]

Carolina saved me because I took a minus one and a half in the first quarter and it was plus 100. Got that banger.

[A]

I will just wait to start this Jason Kelsey episode until Will pulls a spandul app.

[D]

I'm just, I, I am, I'm I'm high on the over five and a half wins for Tennessee this year. Lost Notre Dame, lost the same game parlay with Notre Dame one South Carolina, two of them. Lost Clemson lost my five leg parlay. Bama, Clemson, Notre Dame, all me Lost my four leg parlay. Texas, Clemson, me lost my. Lost my six leg parlay. Texas Bama, Notre Dame. I needed to have a little bit more variety. I did take, I did take Nebraska. My six a half. Lost that.

[A]

Can I see it real quick?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Thanks bro.

[D]

A lot of parlays. Okay, I tell you what the parlays are going to. Listen, you get a week under your belt, you start seeing the field a little bit better. And I do want to apologize.

[A]

I'm place the day of the game too.

[D]

I'm over one. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

What time did I post it? 2:19pm when so probably just right before we took off.

[A]

Right before we took off.

[D]

Yeah, I was.

[A]

Dude, you should have seen this man how nervous he was in that fourth quarter. And I'm thinking to myself like I kind of hope Cincinnati gets three so Nebraska could win by seven.

[D]

Yeah, Taylor and we can.

[A]

And we can cover.

[D]

We can still cover him like no.

[A]

He'S and Will's just thinking that we gotta get this win and he's right too. Momentum was all on Cincinnati side the they scored before they stopped Nebraska and.

[D]

They fortunately sworesby can't really sling it that well.

[A]

I know, I know.

[D]

Maybe he can though. And the defense is held in the 67 yards.

[A]

Making some throws.

[E]

Yeah, he had that one.

[A]

See dude, when I was watching Raola during the game, I'm thinking he's not playing that well and then you pull and then I think in the third quarter I pulled the statue like oh, he's kind of crushing actually. So it's kind of like weird when you watch a game and then the stats.

[D]

Yeah, that's why I wanted to watch the TV copy too. Just to get like. Just to get like a feel right.

[A]

But boys, Bryce Underwood looks like he could be the guy.

[D]

He, he looks as advertised.

[A]

The throw, the touch. Like he really, he really might be the greatest ever quarterback to put on the Mason blue uniform in college. I mean obviously we had Tom Brady, but he wasn't right.

[D]

He wasn't like he wasn't Tom Brady.

[A]

He wasn't him like really like no, he ain't better than Hill. I mean no, I don't think anybody.

[D]

Will ever had it Practice. Remember when he was one handed in.

[A]

And if they can just unlock a run like him running the ball. It'll come.

[D]

It'll come.

[A]

It'll come because tell you what Illinois State did, they kind of ran pretty well against Oklahoma. They ran pretty well against Oklahoma. I'm just saying Jason Kelsey episode But also dude, Michigan underdogs by four and a half right now.

[C]

Norman I would we get it.

[A]

Wait for the locker room. Wait for the locker room because I'm feeling kind of spicy about it right now. Jason Kelsey, Jason Kelsey, Bryce Underwood Heisman.

[D]

Enjoy the interview with Jason Kemper.

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[C]

Will, is that like, oh, I was. You're like the mascot when they were.

[D]

Showing you guys when they were showing you guys I Was like, if they want some juice in the stadium, they'll get the camera.

[C]

They'll get the camera.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

We'll get the boys rolling.

[C]

It was a weird thing because it was set up. Are we. We're rolling. We good?

[A]

We are rolling.

[C]

The. It was a Cincinnati home game, so, like all of the, like, the band and like, things on the jumper, a lot of it was set up for, like, to be Cincinnati centered. Yeah. But like the entire crowd. So. Yeah, it was a bit awkward, I felt like.

[D]

But it was close, though. Sores be that quarterback.

[C]

Yeah, he. I mean, yeah. Since I played. It was a weird game. They, like, weren't playing bad offensively, but they didn't have any points to show. They kind of got like behind the sticks a few times and Nebraska just felt like they had the ball.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know what the time possession was, but it had to be.

[D]

Yeah, it was pretty lopsided, but it was like Sorsby's legs was. Again, outside of that. It's not. It's not like Cincinnati had much offense outside of him running the football.

[C]

Well, I thought the number three Walker kid ran the ball really well too.

[D]

Right.

[C]

They were running well. And it didn't even feel like sorcery is throwing the ball poorly. It just felt like Nebraska's DBs were all over the receivers. I don't know.

[D]

And when there was some opportunities, the receivers just didn't drop right.

[C]

Like, he threw some really nice fade.

[A]

Balls and I had a couple openings. There was that one in like the first quarter where that receiver kind of had great separation. He just threw it over his head a bit.

[C]

Little.

[A]

Little bit. There's a couple. But that like two minute drive. First play. Two minute. I swear to God that he just told the receivers, run verts. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go ahead and get eight, Right. Start off on a good. On a good little go here.

[C]

Like a little Patrick Mahone style.

[A]

Buddy. He is an athlete.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Being on the field and watching him, you're just like this. This kid looks like he looks the part for sure. Him, the tight end.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, all of them were. I was impressed by the way they looked, but. Yeah, I feel like week one jitters for sure.

[C]

They had like three false starts. They're playing in. In this. The loudest stadium in the. In the world, I guess. I don't know if it's. That's how they advertise it, right?

[A]

That's how they advertise.

[D]

I think that's how they advertise we'll.

[C]

Give it to them in the world. It's crazy.

[A]

Like, there's like, is that world or is that NFL?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Because I feel like you had the mix of Husker fans, which are die hard fans. The place was rocking. They're also all Husker fans, are pretty much Chiefs fans.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Travs in the building, obviously, place for Cincinnati. But you had that just mix of fun.

[C]

They didn't know what to do. Like, are we supposed to cheer? When Travis. It would start with the cheer and then you like point to his hat.

[A]

And they be, hey, a little background though, on. On Nebraska. So I. My senior year, when we played them, they beat our ass.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

And then after the game, all the fans are like, hey, great job. Hope you guys are safe. Like, they're. They're like known as like the nicest fans of all time.

[C]

And then all of a sudden, typical Midwest.

[A]

I'm walking, I'm walking in the stadium and it's like, Michigan, Taylor. I'm like wearing all Nebraska. I'm like, this is not the Nebraska I know.

[D]

It's a new generation.

[A]

The Bearcats come out, they're booing like during, like, you know, they're reviewing a play. They're screaming at the refs. I'm like, this, this fan base, the vaccine's hitting them. Something's going on in their bloodstream.

[D]

I was telling Taylor that the older generation, the nice ones, they're dying out now. It's like the youth is coming up. We're sick and tired of being sick and tired because we lose.

[C]

Well, those. The old generation was, you know, they were fat cats. They won a bunch of national championships and they remembered all the good days.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

New guys that we got to get it going again.

[D]

I was. I was nervous, though. I was sweat. I was sweating bulls because I thought, you know, I thought we'd take care.

[C]

What did you think about how was Morasca play? About as well as you thought they would like. What did you think of Nebraska?

[D]

I was surprised. We didn't take as many. We didn't really try to press it downfield at all.

[C]

Right.

[D]

Like, I felt like everything was short. Like you look at real estate line. He was like 33 for 40 something. But everything was like, they like loved the spacing concept. They ran the football really well. I think anytime they tried to get outside the tackles where they struggled, but Emmett Johnson and that old line was doing a in between the tackles. I feel like we have some good receivers that can win one on ones, but where I Was surprised is us just not taking shots downfield.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So that was. That was kind of my break. The defense, I knew we had a lot of new faces, so I was curious of how we'd play. We didn't stop the run really well. But whenever, like, again, Nebraska, Lord Nebraska. Historically, we lose those one score games in the fourth quarter. Our special teams is bad, but we got a punter that was Putting it inside 2 inside the 10, 3 inside the 20, 20. Field goal kicker. Again, we usually lose games with special teams. We bang one in from 52, which mattered because we only won by three. So there's like, optimism that I obviously have, I always will have. But when I. When I look at everything, it's like usually the ball doesn't bounce our way. We don't. We don't get the, you know, penalty at the right time. We're usually fumbling the ball or missing a special teams play. Like, those things were happening. For me, it's just, you know, how do we get the ball downfield? Because real can spin it.

[C]

It's just.

[D]

It's just opening it up and letting them do it.

[C]

Yeah, it was. It was definitely felt like a first game.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

On both teams, perhaps.

[D]

Yeah. Because when it was six, three, it's like, you know, I'm sure.

[C]

Which is weird. I was like, why is it this score is so odd? Like, it's like people. Each team has kind of had plays when they made mistakes, got behind the chains and. Yeah.

[A]

Anyways, the thing that impressed me with Nebraska was their offensive line because there was all that talk about that nose tackle, that three technique y' all have. He's the real deal. I'm walking by, I'm like, this looks like the real deal. Yeah. He's a legit. Like a boulder. So I'm thinking, yeah, you got to go like perimeter type of run, play some pinpool type schemes. But all the success was between the tackles.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Which was.

[C]

They ran power pretty well. They got the full back in the game.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Come on now.

[D]

Oh, yeah. Got the fullbacks in there.

[A]

23 personnel just like. All right.

[D]

Cincinnati was running the ball well, too. I feel like both offensive lines were moving the line of scrimmage pretty good. But yeah, yeah, boys were leaning on him out there.

[A]

Lean on. But if I was rule. I mean, you're looking at that being like, we know what our strength is. Like, our boys can do gaps game. They can do power. Like, let's just keep that.

[D]

Our bread and butter can't get a false Start on the one yard line.

[A]

No, but that EMT Johnson kid, that running back, he is impressive.

[D]

Yeah, Good balance.

[A]

There was only one time I saw one guy get him down. It was a great tackle by, I think it was like a nickel or something like that out in the open field when he caught the ball. But that kid, no one tackling him. He's impressive.

[D]

Yeah, I hopefully. Listen, I hope you guys go 11 and 1.

[C]

Yeah. So that win looks really good. Go undefeated now.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

Yeah, thank you.

[A]

This is. This is as Midwest as it gets right here. Hey, now that it's over, I just want you to know.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

I'm thinking he's a sleeper in this game.

[A]

God WINS the Big 12.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

See, that's how good we are.

[D]

Right? Look, you come out of that game and there's a lot of optimism. There's a lot of people that had Nebraska and their College Football Playoff due to strength of schedule. Matt Rule, year three, all that stuff. But you look back, historically, it's like, you know, Josh Pate tweeted about it. Oregon, Idaho was pressing them. They end up, you know, having the years they had last year winning the Big Ten. Notre Dame loses their Northern Illinois, they're in the national title. Yeah, it's, you know, you get the, you get the bad plays out of the way early.

[A]

Are you a big follower of Cincinnati?

[C]

I don't follow college football as much.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I follow Cincinnati, of course, just because. Because it's alma mater. But I don't get as bag as. As much as I've wanted to. I'm trying to get back more this year. We got a new indoor, like, facility that we're like unveiling and I want to go back to homecoming. I just feel like I've kind of been disconnected for a few years and now that I'm retired, I realize I can go back.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So, yeah, your college football juices are going to wake up.

[C]

It was also just fun going down on the field seeing like, you know, I played D line with Walt Stewart and I was coaching there and like, you see the familiar faces. Like, you see, see like, you know, the security guy that was on all the buses and like, you kind of get flashback to like a previous decade and previous, you know, moment in your life. And it's really cool. So I'm gonna try and go back more now.

[A]

It makes you appreciate, like, you just think to yourself, like, it's crazy how fast time goes for sure because you see all the stuff like you walking on and then, and then Obviously having the career that you did and now you to look back and be like, holy. All this stuff took place in what, a 16 year period and it just went by like that.

[C]

And yeah, it's over now, but it's, it's cool going back and seeing the familiar faces for sure and seeing how it's like changed. Changed and progressing. I think it's, it's fun times.

[D]

What's it like for you, having all the success that you've had and knowing that you're a walk on at Cincinnati?

[C]

I don't know. I don't think about it too. I, I think that the walk on honestly helped me, if I'm being very frank. Like, I think it was something right away that you weren't given anything from the get go and you had to come in and, and prove yourself and like, it kind of put a chip on my shoulder. So like I was the. On scout team that the center. Yeah, Jeff Reinst hated me because I would give him a stinger because I'd try and run through his face and.

[A]

Yeah, that's the worst type of guy.

[C]

Yeah, it's the. I was like, it's like I've watched the movie Rudy and idolized Rudy so much. And then you get to like a certain point, you're like, Rudy is kind of an. To Some of these guys, no doubt respect it. But right, like, you're sitting in your.

[A]

Like seventh year at the Eagles and some guy's trying to do that and you're, you're not even remembering.

[C]

I'm just trying to get the game day, dude. My shoulders are.

[A]

You're in shells. He's trying to pull us. You're like, what the are we doing?

[C]

This is the universe getting it back on me. But I was scout team player of the year. I was very happy with that. So that's awesome. And so, I mean, I, I think that it. And then also, if I'd have been a scholarship player, I don't know how I would have handled. Handled being told to move to offensive line. Like, I think I was a walk on. So when I first got proposed a question for like a spring ball, they're like, hey, we want to try out at center. Kels. I'm like, I just lost like 20 pounds because I got like my 20 pounds freshman weight up from drinking beers, partying, not having to play games. And then over the winter I had to lose a bunch of weight to try and get back to spring ball at a235, which is what I wanted to be at like, hey, we're going to move you to S. Like, why don't you guys tell me this? I wouldn't have just lost all this weight if you knew. And they knew they were doing it anyways. But yeah, I think so. I went there, had a decent spring at 235 playing center, and they said, we're going to keep you there. And I don't know if I would have been a scholarship player if I would. I'll just transfer, I'll just go someplace else or. But they're like, yeah. I said, all right, well I'm not just gonna put £60 on for free. And they're like, okay, well we'll give you a scholarship. We can't do it in the fall. We'll do it in the winter once we get one freed up. But if you stay there, we'll put you on scholarship. So I don't know. I think it's a lot of ways my career ended up benefiting greatly from being a walker. And I think a lot of times I see like five star kids, four star kids where they let all these politics and like they're, they view themselves as like a linebacker or a safety or whatever. And it messes is with what's in their best interest, which usually coaches see right away. It's like they know most of the time like this kid's skill sets and attributes are better geared for this. And sometimes I think when you have, I don't want to say like a big head, but like you have you come in with all these expectations, it's hard to get off of those. Especially as a young kid.

[A]

When you, when here go through a winter condition, you're getting all this weight off and the coaches pull you in, they're like, hey, we want to move you to center. And your conversation is, I don't want.

[D]

To do this for free, buddy. I was thinking we kind of glossed over him being a sophomore, being like, I'm negotiating for a scholarship.

[C]

You're a walk on.

[A]

Like we all know how kind of walk ons are treated. Basically you're first. For those people that don't know who are watching this, like when the walk ons come in and it's like basically like you see the Seals do, it's like we're going to weed out the week here. Who really wants to be here and who really just wants to wear the jersey and try to get the walk on.

[D]

Truly, you do as you're told.

[C]

You do as you're told for sure.

[A]

Yeah, you're like less than the offensive.

[C]

Lineman and you're getting. The coaches are. Yeah. And like, I remember that that winter we were doing like winter conditioning. We just said so Mark Danton recruited me. He left my first year and we had Brian Kelly came in and they brought in a completely new offense and completely new coaches. We retained maybe like one or two guys, but it was brand new. And I remember Mike Elston is the tight ends coach and we're going through winter conditioning. He's also the special teams guy and he is me. He's like, you're. He's like crushing me, saying, like, you're not. And all this right? In. In a good way. Right? Like, I'm not trying to. I like, I like Mike Gilson for this, but he was trying to figure out who I was and like, I freaking made me work my ass off and like, I'm freaking busting my ass. These winter conditioning drills, board pushes on the freaking turf. They suck. You're running stadium steps. In some ways, I miss it. Like, I miss the like, agony of going through all that stuff. Now at the time, it sucked, but then, like, once you get that respect, it was. Is like there, right? Like, I'm running down on kickoff and knee braces as a red shirt freshman.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Like wedge busting. Let's go.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. So, yeah, it was it.

[A]

You.

[C]

You are the tackling dummy of the team. Walk on. Right? They're just filling spaces to have, you know, all the guys they want for all the drills they want to do, basically.

[A]

And once you get the scout team player of the year, you bring that plaque you throw on the head coach.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

You want me to. To play here.

[C]

You know what?

[D]

I.

[C]

You know the value I bring.

[A]

You see the value. You want me to go to center.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

You see that plaque.

[D]

So internally, you. You for your own ego, you hated the move of, like, them wanting you to go to center.

[C]

Well, I just. I don't know that I hated it. I just had never done it and I had never thought of myself as an offensive lineman. Paul. So the guy who really moved me to offensive line was Paul Longo, the strength coach of Cincinnati. And he had done this with a few other guys, so part of me was excited about like, he did Joe Staley. So he did the same thing with Joe Staley of Central Michigan. And Joe went on to have a phenomenal career with the 49ers. And I'm like, he had done a few. Done with a couple guys at Iowa as well. And I just felt like he sees something in me. And it was the first bit of like anything from being like a walk on where somebody's like, hey, like this kid's got, got like some potential. And he like really believed that I could be a great offensive lineman. So I wouldn't say that. It was like I was not looking forward to it. I just had never done it and it was so foreign. And then to put that kind of weight on, I was just like, I'm just going to say this because it seems like they want me to do this. I got a feel in the room like they want me to be a center. They think I could progress into this. So. Yeah.

[D]

That's awesome.

[A]

Yeah. How long do you think it took you to like, digest a playbook and a big conversation that. Yeah, we, we have this conversation a lot when, like sue2who episode hasn't come out yet, but talking about how defense is more like, you know, the play, but it's more reactionary.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Off it's a line. Yeah. It takes. You gotta takes it genius out there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You got to understand, especially at center, like tackles, you can have a big dumb idiot at tackle, he's an athlete, let him do his thing. But at center, like, there's so much you have to digest. I don't know what Brian Kelly's offense is really like. If it's like point, you're kind of pointing to the direction you guys are getting.

[C]

That's it. Pretty much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's off the point, not off the mic.

[A]

Yeah. You're zoning into an area, not necessarily. Necessarily a person, which is way easier.

[C]

It is, it is. And the spread aspect of it clears the box up. Defenders have to go out. So it was.

[A]

Makes it real clean.

[C]

Yeah. And it was no huddle. So you're. The playbook is condensed by nature of a no huddle offense. So it was a good, you know, welcome to that position. I had a good coach, Jeff Quinn, who ended up being a head coach right after I left at Buffalo for a couple years. And I had a good, good. I had a lot of great teaching right away. And then it was an easier offense, I would say, from like a mental standpoint. And then also I think, like, very like playing defense helped me play offensive line and understand structure and where linebackers are at and why, you know, this guy's over here, like, he should be in this gap. Like, if he's stacking the nose guard, they're probably that safety's either going back or they're Going to blitz or all that stuff. Right. Like, I understood why linebackers would be in certain alignments, and that helped me understand. Understand, like, nobody's in this a gap. Somebody's going to end up in this a gap. It's either going to be the three technique or somebody's going to blitz off the edge. And, yeah, so I think that helped my transition into the offensive line position.

[A]

When did you. When. When you. When did you think, like, oh, the NFL is a real possibility for me once.

[C]

Probably my junior year, you start. It becomes. At least it became apparent to me when you're playing with guys that you think I'm just as good as these guys are, and then they start getting opportunities in the league. And I think my junior year is when I really started to be a pretty darn good player. And I'm seeing, like, you know, counter barwin. You know, I'm trying to. Trevor Canfield. There's all these guys in Cincinnati are getting opportunities. It's like, then agents are calling you, and you're like, all right, I'm gonna at least get a shot at doing this potentially.

[A]

Right? It's not over.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You're gonna be able to walk in.

[C]

I did not think. Think I was just hoping to at least get an opportunity to go in. But, yes.

[D]

When you were going to the NFL, was it. Did you think you were going to go higher than the sixth round? Or for you, the entire mentality was, I seen an opportunity to get in.

[C]

Camp, so I didn't know where I was going to go. I had appendicitis at the combine. I did all this work to try and weigh 295 at the combine. That was my goal, like. And I played in College at 280. So I was eating all this food, training, trying to get my weight up, and then all of a sudden, I get sick. I'm throwing up my brains out. Like, not good stuff, right? I'm going in between, like, that. That railroad or, like, meeting hall where all the coaches are in. Yeah. I'm going with one team, going to the bathroom, throwing up, going with another team.

[A]

And I don't know the officials you're talking about, correct? The official visits or.

[C]

No, just in the train station. Like, those. Like, I'm, like, going in and back, like, Detroit's like, hey, come see me next. I'm like, yeah, I'll be right there. And then I'm in the bathroom for 15 minutes, like. And I thought I had, like, a stomach bug. I thought I ate some. I had Sushi the night before. I'm like, maybe I ate some raw fish. That didn't sit well.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And luckily, Ramley, I felt better the last day. Good enough. Where I was like, okay, if I need to run because this is like the one strength I have. If I don't go out here, if I don't run.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm not gonna be drafted. Yeah. And I go out there, run do pretty well. What was your 40? 40 was 4, 92 official.

[A]

But you now can look back at that and being like appendicitis, all this.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Dude. I also ran on the wrong cleats. I tried to get. I. I made the mistake of trying to get the lightest cleat possible. So I got like this soccer cleat that was like the lightest shoe that had ever been made at that point. It's like Lionel Messi's wearing this thing. Yeah. Not knowing that like a 290 pound, 80 pound person shouldn't be wearing that shoe. I felt like I was running this thing barefoot. And then I went back and put my old cleats on. And then my times got better in like the shuttle. Still hold the all time shuttle record. 20 yard shuttle.

[A]

That's a big deal.

[C]

Better than Sean McCourt's 414. It's a damn good shuttle. You got 4, 4 1, 4.

[D]

God damn.

[A]

You're pretty good at those. What was yours?

[D]

What did I get?

[A]

Well, shuttles together at Vanderbilt. And he would like beat me, like edge me out. And he'd be like, you're pretty quick, man. Those are. That's kind of my thing.

[D]

Click inside the box back and forth.

[C]

The only reason I remember my time so well is because after I did it, the guy said 414. I was like, what was that? I had to run anywhere close to that. Like, I was like, I'm hoping I'm in the four twos. He says, four is incredible. Like, yep. I'm not running another one. Which. Good for me.

[A]

When I got to. When I got to the shuttle, because it's. Did you do vert then 40, then shuttle.

[C]

I think vert and broad jump were before the 40. Then we ran the. Or maybe broad jump was it. Yeah. But that was before. And then the, the shuttle was at the very end of the workout.

[A]

My biggest stressor was the 40 because I knew I could run.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And once I ran the 40 and I got it like, what was your time? 487.

[C]

Nice.

[D]

Big boy moving.

[C]

There we go.

[A]

Felt good. Except for the year prior. Like Lane Johnson ran a 4 7.

[C]

I was like what the 47 one. And then Toronto Armstead ran like a 4 6, 9 or 4 7.

[A]

He was also running at like 275, wasn't he?

[C]

Oh, I didn't.

[A]

He had like a crazy. I don't know if it was a weight thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I looked at Lane, I was like, okay, that's the time to get. But once I got the 48, like kind of after that I was like, I'm solid. I feel so good about today. The drills are going to be.

[C]

The drills are exactly.

[A]

By the time I got to the shuttle, I was like, well, I got to get out of here.

[C]

There is something with the combine of like if that 40 number is right, you're like, I just nailed this thing. Life, man, don't even care about anything. Anything else that's happen.

[A]

Look at your family go, I did it for you guys. You, we got made. It hasn't even happened yet.

[D]

Yeah, combine. I wish I had stories with you guys.

[A]

Hell of a pro day, Nebraska.

[C]

We, we like. So back to why did I feel like I was going to go higher after that whole thing happened. I weighed 280 because I was sick or whatnot. Found out a week after that, got sick again, went to the emergency room, had appendicitis and I was just like, I don't know what's about to happen. Like I only weighed 280 pounds. I don't remember the last time like a 280 pound center had been drafted at all. So I was kind of like I could go as high as like fourth or fifth or I could be an undrafted free agent. And so I was still frustrated. You know, you're watching all the rounds go by like I'm better than this guy. I should be going here like all that. But once I got the call was.

[D]

Where were you at? Where were you at depth chart wise, going into Philly as a six rounder, were you at the bottom?

[C]

I was in. I got a very blessed. And again like I got. I got into a outstanding opportunity. Howard Mud had just been with the Annapolis Colts forever with Jeff Saturday and he came into Philadelphia and I think he envisioned me being the Jeff Saturday to type mold and I think he wanted me. He's since passed away unfortunately, but I really do think he drafted me and thought that I was going to be like the starting center even in the sixth round. And we had a guy, Jamal Jackson, who had been there for a long time, had been very successful but was coming off of Like a couple injuries back to back. So I think. And then also he was a bigger body with Juan Castillo. Howard wanted a athletic center to do these sprint draws and screens and things. So I, I, I was bumped up very quick in training camp and this is the lockout year. I didn't even have an off season. Right. So my first day getting the playbook was training camp in Lehigh. Like two months before the first game.

[D]

You'Re like, what the even going on?

[C]

Yeah. And like within two weeks they start, they're starting to rep me with the starters. So it was like a very unrealistic opportunity that I got awarded very quickly.

[A]

And who was that center that was there for a long time?

[C]

Jamal. Jamal Jackson.

[A]

What was that relationship like?

[C]

You know, he handled it very well considering it was kind of shitty position for him. He was nothing but great to me. He would help me out in terms of like how to make calls, how to navigate like crowd noise, like all these things. And he was still on the team for the whole season. So Jamal was great. And it was weird. Like AQ Shipley was there that year. Freaking Mike McGlynn. I don't know if you guys remember that name at all. But we had a very awesome room and Jamal was great.

[D]

How is it going on in your head when you kind of know what's going down and once you start learning about the politics of the NFL.

[C]

What do you mean?

[D]

Like with you overtaking his spot? Just handling it as a guy that is overtaken kind of the throne and being a young guy and being like, you know, I, I don't want to rub people the wrong way.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't know, I, I don't know. I just tried to be, I was just trying to play football well and not think about a lot of that stuff. I mean, when you're a rookie, I think you and I look back now and realize these type of dynamics, but in the time you don't realize it. Like you're just playing ball and you.

[A]

Know, you just hear the 10 year vets being like, gotta watch out all these qualities. And you're like, that must be a thing that happens later. You're not realizing you're in it right then.

[C]

Yeah. And they weren't even talking to me about that at that point. You know what I mean? I think it's, you realize later what an unbelievable opportunity that was and like how that kind of happens throughout the NFL and like draft picks and salaries and things like that and how that all shapes, you know, a lot of the decisions that are made. But at that moment, I was just, like, beyond excited to try and play. Yeah. And, you know, it was. Jamal handled it really well, especially considering, like, I don't think he was in a position to his credit career where, like, he was still trying to play and start. You know what I mean? That's a very tough position to be in where it feels like I got award an opportunity, and they were pushing for me to be the guy, and he was already there. So, I mean, he was great.

[D]

You were part of the Chip Kelly experience. The experience, yeah.

[C]

We're gonna Get Chip Kelly 2.0 coming up this season.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. With the Raiders. What for you, looking back, what were. What were things that worked? What was things that were smoking mirrors. And I also got asked, like, what was it like for, you know, an O line group going through uptempo practices?

[C]

What year did you get to Washington?

[D]

I was there from 13.

[C]

So you were there for that first game?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

That was like.

[D]

Well, the first game, like, it was like, oh, Chip Kelly in the NFL.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[D]

Coming.

[C]

It felt like we were going to win the super bowl after that game, like, one game in the season is like, nobody's stopping us. Yeah. And, you know, I think Chip brought a very interesting mindset into the NFL that at that point really hadn't permeated, which is like, there was this new spread offense and no huddle and, like, not even just that, but, like, sports science. And, like, he took the pro. The. The organization in a direction that I think for a long time when I first got to the NFL, like, you're still just, like, lifting machines. And, like, you know, it was like. Felt like it was dated. Right. And I think a lot of the things that he brought to the NFL, like, we still do, and now other teams have taken on, like, RPOs are much bigger part of the NFL league wide, and the. The zone reads now. A lot of teams implement them in certain situations, even if that's not your bread and butter. Like, I think a lot of the things that he did have revolutionized in a lot of ways, some of the ways that the NFL. NFL operates. But with that, there were also a lot of things that we were kind of shooting from the hip, and, like, you know, we were going revamping, like, the schedule and, like, Saturday before Sunday, we're, like, running full speed. As a young guy, I didn't care because I. I don't really feel great. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And I actually felt Good on game day, running on Saturday before the game. But then you think about like a 13 year vet who's like, got bad knees, like, brother, I can't run on Saturday. And then I need my knees to feel really good. That's more important. Important than priming my nervous system. So it was. In a lot of ways, I really appreciate and enjoyed that tenure. And I think that the Eagles got much better as an organization because of it. But it was definitely some innovative things that probably in retrospect, might change a little bit. Yeah, but yeah.

[A]

Yeah, seems like it was before his time a little bit. It was what you're saying.

[C]

He was on the cutting edge of everything. And I think whenever you do that, you run the risk of, you know, jumping in on something that sounds really good in theory, but if you implement it too fast, you don't think about some of the intended consequences or ramifications. It's hard to predict those. And some of the stuff was gold. And again, we still ended up implementing. And I think other teams kind of still like now everybody has like a sports science or sport, like conditioning person and like GPS monitors. I think we were like the first team doing that in practice. Practice. And. But there's a lot of other things that I think it was hard to get players to buy into some of them, especially veteran players. And I think in college it was a lot easier to do things with younger players.

[D]

So much more depth. You got like 120 guys. Yeah, 120 guys.

[A]

You also have kids coming from high school facilities.

[C]

Yeah, there's. There's less of a. There's less ego. There's less guys that have been doing things like they're more bought in. Like they've only been to one university, at least at that time before the NIH nail thing. So it's like, it's just a different dynamic. And it was harder to do some of these things, especially with veteran guys who are like, I've been doing it this way my whole career. Why are we now doing this? And understandable, like, you know, I mean, Jason Peters, like the best tackle in the NFL. It's like how he knows how to be good on game day. Right? Like, how are we? So it was, it was. It was good. And when we were winning, it was fantastic. Once we started losing, then it became a little bit more of an issue. But I'm excited to see how he does with the Raiders this year. I really think that. I'm sure he's learned a lot, and I think he is, by all intents I think he's like a very, very smart person and I think he's, you know, calculated and savvy and I'm wishing him and Pete Carroll and all those guys nothing but success.

[A]

That that division is going to be maybe the most fun to watch.

[C]

Think about the coaches. I mean, just, you have four, like, of the best coaches of the last. Last, like what, 10, 20 years. Like, it's, it's outrageous. And all, all of the teams have gotten better. Starts off right away with the Chargers and the Chiefs down in Brazil. It's going to be, it's going to be a fun division.

[A]

What do you got in that division?

[C]

I think I gotta go Chiefs.

[A]

+100 to win it.

[C]

I, you know, it does feel like now it's popular right now to kind of say like all the Chiefs aren't the same. Chiefs of old and very popular. I think it's a lot, it's very easy to do off of the super bowl where it ended like that as well. But they did go 15 and one last year.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And they're not. I like, they're objectively better, I think personnel wise than they were last year. And they won a lot of close games by being just a tight knit group and having a phenomenal quarterback and head coach and being able to operate it into game scenarios much better than most teams. But until somebody can prove that, like until Baltimore can get this monkey off their back, until the Bills can get this monkey off the back, I don't know who in the AFC I can. I'm not ready to jump ship on the Chiefs.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's, and I'm saying that even regardless of my personal connections with the entire coaching staff.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Travis. Like, they just, like at some point these guys have some weird thing to them that they know how to win football games. Yeah. And it's, you know, Herbert's got to demonstrate it to me before I start getting on the Charger bandwagon, but the.

[D]

Broncos a little spicy.

[A]

Broncos are spicy.

[C]

Defense.

[A]

You know, Smith is underrated.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Last year the Broncos defense was very, very good. Not as talked about because the team wasn't as successful. Bo Nicks going into year two. Listen, again, it's going to be an exciting. It is not, you know, the, the division is much more competitive this year than it's been a long time.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's going to be fun.

[A]

And it'd be crazy for you to not take the Chiefs. I feel like that'd be bigger than the news than your brother getting engaged. The coaching staff Everybody, all your friends, Honestly, I think they're going to be this year.

[C]

Taking the Chargers.

[A]

That would be tough.

[D]

That would flip the world upside down.

[A]

That would flip the world upside down. I didn't want to jump to Andy Reid quite yet, but.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Can I ask one fan question?

[A]

Question. Go ahead.

[D]

Just one young fan question. What was it like playing with Michael Vick?

[C]

I had never been starstruck up until that moment.

[A]

Hell, yeah.

[C]

And the first time at, like, it was like, the walkthrough, and I don't even know why I was still in there, because I was still with the twos and threes at that point. Like, and it wasn't even just Mike. It was also Vince Young. And at that point, Vince still had, like, an aura to him as well. So, like, my first quarterback room was like, Michael Vick and Vince, and, like, I'm snapping to both of them in, like, a walkthrough, and I'm like, what the is going on right now? Like, Mike puts his hands under my ass, and I'm like, this is a. I've never been happier to have a man's hands under my butt.

[A]

Right? It's.

[C]

It was. It was. It was pretty awesome. And he's just such a freaking great dude, too. Like, you know, you meet guys and you always wonder what they're like. And Mike was nothing but, like, incredible as a teammate. He could. He would throw the ball, and I still, like. I've never seen anybody. I'm, like, blocking, and you could hear, like, the spin that he would put on the ball with, like, there's a last little, like, finger. I don't know what it was, but it was like, it would, like, sizzle past. It was crazy. His. His talent was remarkable. Even at that age, coming out of the penitentiary, all of it, like, it was impressive.

[A]

Still, that is a crazy thing. Like, gets out, stretches his arms.

[C]

How many guys can do that? Sling it, go take off years.

[A]

Like him and Mike Tyson. Right?

[C]

Those are.

[A]

The two guys just came back and kind of got better.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Crazy nuts, because last night I was watching, he was doing like a. Either, like a halftime interview because he's a. He's the head. He's the head guy at Norfolk State.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And after that, I didn't get to bed until like, 1:20 last night because I stayed up watching top, like, highlights of Michael, Vicky.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Giants game, Minnesota, the Vikings game. Seeing him spin it, throwing that bomb to Desean Jackson, it was like 80 yards.

[C]

Him and DJ together was just so lethal because he could throw the Ball a mile and nobody. I've never. I mean, Randy Moss was another great deep ball player, but tracking a deep ball, I. It was like he would just like glide. It was like effortless. And somehow he kicked it into another geek year. It was the best ever at running that. Now talk about Mike at Norfolk. D. Jack is at Delaware State. Yeah, they're gonna play a game in the link with both of those guys as the head coaches. It's just wild.

[D]

Did you. And I'll listen. I was a teammate at D. Jack as well, but when I saw that he was the head coach at. At Delaware State, I was like, yeah, my man DJs a head coach of a football team.

[A]

It's happening. It's all going.

[C]

I mean, Dion changed everything, changed the NIL deals and like, the way that the whole college landscape is. Is changed it. And Dion was one of the first people to take advantage and realize, I mean, college football is a very weird spot right now where, like, you're selling the team more as the head coach, either to gain money from marketers and advertisers or players and recruiting. And it's. That now is being. Is able to be much more a part of building a team than it ever was was. And it feels like a lot of the teams, especially the lower tier teams that have been able to replicate some of this stuff have realized that. And I mean, listen, Djek is one of the best players of all time. He's got. He's got. He's built a staff there with a bunch of former NFL guys that know what they're doing, and he's selling the program and he's got more buzz around it than they've probably ever had in the history of their, like, Right. College. So I don't know. I think it's fun and I can't wait to watch it.

[D]

I can't. I can't either.

[A]

I can't wait to watch a documentary about this time in college football. Ten years from now.

[C]

For sure, it is going to be.

[A]

Because it really is the wild West. Like, there's so much money being thrown around. You know, who's getting like, these guys have, like, you see like raola, he's getting $3.1 million in nil this year. But that's just what this, like, school's getting. What other sponsorships? What are the things that they grabbing?

[C]

And you think they're making more in the other stuff, right? Or is it less?

[A]

You think so? I. I think depends on the fan base. It depends on, like, the resources and.

[C]

They'Re trying to put a cap on that, right?

[A]

I think they are.

[C]

They just did, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

This is one of those first. Like this past draft is like one of the first times you're looking at these kids. Like, Shador is a great example of. He made $5 million last year. Now he's making $547,000.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and it's just like. It's just nuts of how college has really turned into like a minor league NFL now for sure. Which I kind of love.

[C]

No, I think it's great. I mean, I think they're still figuring out the kinks. Like, there's some negative drawbacks. I don't. Like the guys can transfer twice a year. Year. I wish there was, like, a little bit of a commitment to a university. I don't think it should be what it was. It feels like now before the colleges had all the power and the players had nothing and they didn't get paid at all. And now it's completely reverted to, like, the players have, like, almost all the power now you can transfer whenever you want. It feels like there can be like, some middle ground that's probably in the best interest of everybody. But this first, what we had, I mean, I think this is much better. Yeah. It's objectively better than what it was. We're like, like guys, you know, especially guys that like, tore their ACLs and they were like unbelievable guys in college and they should have been able to capitalize on that. I mean, it's, it's, it's. It was unfair then. It's a much more fair system now.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And I think that we can continue to make this better moving forward.

[A]

I think what it's missing, though, is exactly like what you two are wearing right now. Like, you're all Cincinnati Bearcat, you're all Nebraska. Like, you're going to have. Have like five to 10 guys on a team that play all four years or all three years, because they're just absolute studs. Like Jeremiah Smith for Ohio State. He's not leaving Ohio State. He's going to make a billion dollars and he's going to be, you know, the. A top five pick. And so he's going to have the pride of Ohio State. But a lot of these guys that transfer, I mean, they're coming in, they stand in front of the team telling them they're, you know. Yeah, they're hiring a signing bonus, what school they went to. That's 15 minutes to talk about all the damn teams they've Been to.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you're kind of losing, like.

[C]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

College football is. Which is what we got to see last night.

[C]

Yeah. You know, for sure. I don't know. Yeah. All good.

[D]

Lights went off for a second, so.

[C]

Yeah, Michael Vick was great. Yeah.

[A]

Dude, we had.

[C]

So was dj. I mean, I think D. Jack would.

[D]

Come again. You talk about tracking the ball. It's like he'd run back to the huddle, and you. You just hear him. I remember one time in OTAs, and he's just telling Kirk. He's like, bro, just throw it as far as you can. Like, I'll. I'll find a way. I'll get to it. And this dude, legitimately, his speed was crazy.

[C]

I don't know that I've ever. I don't think I ever saw him get overthrown, like, legitimately. I don't. I. I. And maybe there's a clip out there somewhere.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't remember ever seeing it. And it was like. It was. No matter where you put that ball up, he. It was legitimately like a center fielder tracking a baseball. And he was so good at it. Yeah, it was. And it would. It was. It was, again, like, the best players, I feel like. Just make it look effortless. It didn't even look like he was trying to run fast. He was just, like, floating across the ground.

[D]

Right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyways, we had Howie Roseman on the pub when we were out in Philly. We got to see her for a little bit after you just. I think it was like a day after you dyed your beard. It was like, I. I walked in.

[D]

To go to the bath. I walked in and go to the bathroom, and he's sitting there. He's on the phone. I wasn't gonna bother him. And he says, what's up? And when I got done going. Going potty, I come back out, and I'm just like, potty going pottery.

[C]

It's a great word.

[A]

It's a crazy term.

[D]

I was like, you know, he's got young kids. Like, I see. I see you dyed the beard. And he's like, God, he was. He was gonna. He, like, had it on mute. And he was like, too. Too long of a story. Yeah, I dyed my beard.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I'm very insecure about the fact that I died. Died. Like, the opposite. Like, I didn't diet because of my insecurity. Now I'm insecure because I died.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I can't wait for it to grow back out.

[D]

But, yeah, you get the grays coming in.

[C]

They're coming. It'll be here quick. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah.

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[A]

But we did have Howie on, and he taught. He kind of gave a little bit of a breakdown about when Chip came in. They gave Chip more responsibility. So they took Howie, they moved, moved him all the way across the other building, didn't fire him. He was kind of like a lost soul in the building. And then he came back and obviously putting. Like, we went to camp and it's like every position group you look at, there's aliens. So Howie's obviously doing his job. Yeah, we broke down the A.J. brown. Like, tell me about your relationship with him and how much.

[C]

Howie.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. What you saw when Chip with all this stuff happened with Chip and then when he came back into the fold.

[C]

I mean, Howie. Howie has always been like a meticulous, like, always working, like, relentless gm. Right. And I think that, like, the best coaches I know, the best players I do, they all have like, this underlying thing of, like, they just, like, do not stop. They're unbelievably passionate about what they do, and there's a relentlessness that separates them. And then how is also just. He, like, did like, his college thesis or something like that on the salary cap. Like, he knows all this stuff so well in and out. He would. Do you guys know how he got in the league? Did you go over that with you guys?

[A]

No, he didn't.

[C]

He would, like. He was like, emailing Tannenball. He would like, cold call emails to, like, just trying to get in the building. So he worked his ass off to climb up and get into a. Like, an occupation that I. Most people would have given up way before that. And I think when Chip came in and they gave Chip a lot of the power and making Personnel decision, everything. They moved Howie to the side of the building. Um, when he came out, it was like another, it was like a renewed sense of urgency, which is like he already had it, but it was like magnified. And he, he, he was putting in all sorts. You could tell even when he was over in that building, even though he didn't have control within the team, he's like, if I get this opportunity to get that control back, I'm making these moves right here. I, I like Joe Douglas. I want to. He was already trying to figure out, where are we struggling at, how can I immediately improve the team team. And I mean, it just. I felt like he shifted a lot of his philosophies and player evaluation and like how he was building a roster and all of that stuff in that time frame. He was continuing to grow. And then when he got his opportunity again, he freaking hit the ground running. We, I'm trying to think like the first moves we made, but it was like, right. Like he got rid of. I think Byron Maxwell was on like a contract that was like pretty outrageous. Just. And he was coming off of a bad year. And then there's a, there's another contract. And right away he finds ways to like offload these contracts, bring in other guys. Like he was. He's, he has a way of making deals happen. I mean, the AJ Brown one is like such a well known one where it's like, how the. Did you do this?

[D]

Right.

[C]

And even when we've had down years, we've rebounded so quick. And I do think a big reason for that is like, Howie somehow knows how to like manipulate these things. Things quicker than I think other GMs and teams can. And trying to think we had a linebacker, Kiko Alonzo.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, it's just like from the Bills when it, when it's not working out and not trying to throw shade at any of these guys, like, it's just not happening. A lot of times you get these. You're under a contract. How do you get rid of this guy without like cutting him or like having to eat that number?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it felt like he somehow would like make these moves. And it's like, how did you get these guys after that year be interested at that number? And he was just really good at a lot of this stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Him bringing down the AJ Brown trade and talking about how between like picks 12 and 14, like the deal was in place but they had to get aj's like, contract done.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In that whatever 20 minute span. And he just the way he just operated and got it done knowing, like, this is the move.

[C]

And I don't remember there being any noise about that. Like, typically when something like that happens on game day, like, there's like a leaks of, like, hey, the Titans might be moving. A.J. maybe there was, and maybe I just wasn't aware of it.

[A]

A little bit. Bit of talks, like, there was, like, a press conference with Mike Vrabel, and they asked, like, A.J. brown, is he an option? And he's like, as long as I'm the head coach, A.J. brown will be on this football team.

[C]

Yeah. So you shut it down right away. Yeah.

[A]

Three days later or whenever.

[D]

Yeah. Draft night.

[A]

And then you see him get up and he kind of, like, does one of these, and you're like, oh, Braves. Didn't like that at all. Yeah, did not like that at all.

[C]

Because I'm on, like, with Adam Lefkoe doing, like, a whole draft thing, and he. It comes down across the ticker while I'm live on air. I'm like, I didn't even know this was a in. Like.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They kept this so quiet. Yeah. And, like, how quickly he had to operate that in. And, I mean, the dude just does not leave any stone unturned. He is always, like, trying to figure out a way to maximize value, whether it's from, like, a contract standpoint, like a personnel standpoint in the building. Like, he's maniacal. He's. He's relentless in, like, his pursuit to do all that stuff and. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

With. In your. Like, in your last years, what was your relationship like with Howie? Like, when you're getting to those years, is Jason gonna retire? Is he gonna come back? Like, what is that relationship like with the gm?

[A]

You did a good job of milking. I think it was, like, three years in a row. It's like, he's gonna go, Is he gonna stay?

[C]

It was good because I was actually thinking about it, and it ended up working out to, like, a benefit of just seeing, like, one term deals. It benefited everybody. And I think the. Howie was great to me, and I think he really valued. Valued me. Fletcher, Brandon Graham, and now Elaine Johnson as guys that had been there for a long time. And this is one thing that I think the Eagles did a great job of. They. They. When. Whenever they, like, are shifting. Like, I played for four different head coaches. All of us did. And how many. Not only did four of us play for over a decade together, but we did it through, like, four different coaching regime changes. Like, it's, like, crazy that through all this turnover, they kept semblances that there as long as they did. And I think when you just try to overturn everything, like you sell shop on the, the head coach and you're like, we're going to revamp this roster and you try and do it all at once, you lose. Sometimes the, the chemistry and the camaraderie and things that happen within the building that are really important. And it's a credit to Jeffrey and Howie and how they've, they've changed things. But at the same time, we have like a continual manual, not like train of thought, but like a, there's like a, there's like a link between all of those eras because they've kept pieces in place or coaches like Jeff Stoutland's been through three different coaches do. Staley was there for three different coaches. Like, they've always kind of changed, but also kept certain pieces around to kind of try and keep the locker room and culture and like, what it is to be on the Eagles, like, kind of there, if that makes sense. So how he took care of me, like, I, I, I never felt like I was underpaid. He found a way to make the numbers work and like, whatever, freaking, you know, it's like a signing bonus here, a roster bonus there. That's what I watch other teams and they can't figure out stuff with certain players. I'm like, I don't ever remember that being an issue with Howie. Like, I feel like he always is like, okay, you want, want this? All right, I'll figure out a way to get you that or close to it where you're happy, and then just structure it this way so that the team benefits from how it's structured. And it, it feels like he does that better than anybody else. And he did that all my last career, like, let's say in the top of the center market. My last couple years, like 12 to 14 a year was like, the number I might make, like nine on the books, but I earn it all. All. I'm still getting 12 to 14 for one year of work. It's just structured in a way that it's happening and being spread out over two, three, four years. And I just feel like he has this understanding of the salary cap and, like, way of, like, thinking into the future and like, planning that. I think a lot of teams just don't do as good of a job.

[A]

Were you ever close to leaving The Eagles?

[C]

Yeah, 16 the year before 16. Super Bowl. I had a really bad start to the year I played against The Cleveland Browns had an awful game. Danny Shelton beat the out of me.

[A]

He's done.

[C]

And I played. I didn't have a great game against Chicago. I played well against Pittsburgh, but had like a couple plays. So, like, the media narrative had already been that, like, Kels is struggling this year. I end up finishing the season really well. But there was all sorts of news on, you know, is Kelsey gonna get traded? Is he gonna get. Get cut? Are they going to move on from them? And like, some of the stuff when it like comes out, you know, it's coming from the Eagles, right? Like, it's like they're gonna, like, the Eagles are gonna trade Jason Kelce for Mark Ingram. I'm like, that's not coming from New Orleans. Like, this is the Eagles trying to like, put this out here, right? And listen, I didn't play well. Like, I. It wasn't like, it sucks when you're going through it, but objectively, I didn't have a great, great year. And thankfully, Jeff Stoutland, I think he's like the one guy in the building that was still like, no, Kel is still the guy. Like, he just needs to fix his technique, do these things. Like, he did it for the second half of the year and he played really well. Like, I still think that he can be the guy. And I. It's like him and. Oh, my gosh, I'm blanking. Yeah, I mean, he's pretty much the reason why I still was there in 20, 20, 2017. And then I had the best. I had personally had the best year of my career in 2017, and the Eagles won the Super Bowl. It was like a crazy shift of off season. I was like, could not have gone better.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So, yeah, it was very close. It was very close. And I had. Listen, I, I did not play well that year. I put a lot of work in that off season, started doing some different things, technique wise. I also think I started to struggle a little bit early in that year because we went from this no huddle offense back to a huddle offense offense. And I got away with a lot of things in the no huddle offense with bad hand placement and things because you deal with like the D lineman's fatigue. And then all of a sudden, like, they have more energy because the pace is slower.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And these technique things that really probably would have manifested earlier are now being magnified because Danny Shelton's not tired. Right. And now I'm going out here with hands like this and 350 pound persons, but in his head about my Chest. That's not a good recipe.

[A]

Never is.

[C]

So. Ended up being like the best thing that ever happened. And like I had all of my personal accolades other than like one or two Pro Bowls came after that year and I played much better as a player after 2016 as a result.

[D]

When you go ahead, I was gonna. I was gonna ask about the retirement thing again. Do you have another one?

[A]

No, no. I was gonna go into the super bowl and on the wins Nick thing, but go ahead.

[D]

My question was going to be, what were the conversations like when you were retiring? Was there offer on the table for you to come back? The Eagles allure is the rumors out there is you had a nine million dollar offer on the table for you to come back if you were to return.

[C]

Is that a lure?

[D]

I think so.

[C]

Are you making this up right now?

[D]

I'm not.

[A]

You didn't hear?

[C]

I think the Eagles would have found a way to have me back in again if I would have wanted to. And at that point, like, if I wanted to play, I wasn't going to play with another team anyways. And this is where, like, it's weird late in your career where it's like, I was still getting good money, but, like, if I. I wasn't going to go anyplace else, like, I would have taken way less. They were still taking care of me. So I was like, this is really nice, you guys. Like, I don't know if you know, but I'll play for like 5 million because I still want to play football. But I think the. I just, I think everybody knew that I wanted to retire and it never got to a point that contracts were even discussed. So I. I don't know if there was an offer there, but I do think that if I would have wanted to come back, the Eagles would have found a way to make it work.

[D]

Got you. Maybe I made it up.

[A]

When sa. You retire, Saquon Barkley comes back in. He is starting to have the year he is. When they win the super bowl, is there a PC? It's like, I should have just done one more.

[C]

I mean, listen, I. I think when you watch your team, when you're like one season away from it, you're like, man, I could have been a part of that. You do. That does go through your head, but I really don't think I would have made it. My body was like firmly like, I'm done, man. Like, it was hard at that point to get through practice during the week. They had already like taken Wednesdays off of my shoulder. I Was still struggling to get back for Thursdays. And I felt the decline happening. Right. I felt, even though it might not have manifested to everybody else, like I felt myself getting weaker. I felt myself not blocking guys as well. So I just, I. I didn't want to be a guy that hung on and tried to play until the very last moment. I. I really wanted to be like, okay, I don't think I can do this anymore. I can't play or do it the way I want to or at the level I want to. And I'm going to stop before this thing really takes another nose dive. And I think it would have that year. I don't think my body was gonna make another year.

[A]

When you, when you talk about just like your, your strength, everything, all the things you don't want to play that long, how impressive is it to you about Jason Peters dude? Like, I think, is he still playing?

[C]

It's insane. I mean, if they offered him a contract, he would, I mean, I would bet I don't. He loves football, man. And that dude still the most like gifted like person that. And maybe it's just because I was a rookie when I first came in and he's doing a one on one with like Trent Cole. And the way he like jumped out of his stance, I was like, what in the is that? Like, it was like in. Howard was a jump setting guy and he would teach the tackles that would like be very aggressive at pass pro. And this dude did like a standing broad jump and just engulfed Trent Williams. And I was like, I don't know, I don't think I can play in this league. And then I watched like the next couple guys go, I'm like, okay, I can do it. So everybody's not him was.

[A]

He did an amazing job of getting out of his stance. Like he would explode out and he would be at the spot before the guy took two steps.

[C]

And JP played for a long time. I really think it's really unfortunate because that super bowl year he tore his acl. If he wouldn't have tore his acl, he probably would have continued to have just like amazing success. That was kind of like the moment where it, like he came back from it. But you know, at that age, having an ACL tear, it's hard. And the fact that, the fact that he played that many years after that, like he, he was just like a one of one dude. The strength, the explosion, the, the like he wasn't like a X's and O's guy, but his instincts for the game were like, incredible.

[A]

I love that.

[C]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I, he. He would be like, we would have like an alert call for like pressure off the edge or something like that. And I look out there and think we're all good. And JP like, like give me the tip that it's a pressure on. How the is he seeing this? He's. Oh, the end was tighter and like little things like that, like that. I don't, I don't know. I know that doesn't sound amazing, but like, he would constantly do that and he would make decisions in the middle of a play that like, ended up usually being the right decision, even when it's not the way the play was drawn up. Yeah, he was a football player.

[A]

Right. No one's going to enjoy this question, but what are one of those examples of him changing something up in a play? Because to me, I just changed, changing.

[C]

So I'm talking like, like, let's say we got like a, a jet motion going across the, the formation and we're expecting zone and we think that everybody's going to bump. They don't bump, the guy runs. And sometimes guys will go too far thinking they got to push the point to a, a linebacker that they think is then going to become in this, a gap. Right, Right. He would, he would use his instinct to just know that because this backer didn't move out of that, that gap, they're not bumping. And I think a lot of tackles or players get really regimented. This is my rule on the play. This is what I'm supposed to do. Yeah. And J.P. had the savviness to like, know that, like, listen, I'm, I'm hitting this angle and if that guy doesn't move, I'm going to stay here. And I don't even know if he like, was cognitively thinking. Like I said, he knew football. You know what I mean? Like, he knew space and part of it. He played special teams when he's young and Buffalo, Buffalo. And he played tight end in college. So I think when you, when you have like a more well rounded, like, view of football and offense and structure and space and where you're at in the field, he just was very, very good in a lot of those regards.

[A]

I feel like with offensive line, like, you get so used to rules and how plays are supposed to be beaten, your head so much that common sense kind of like you lose it sometimes where guys get so regimented. So black, like, this is my job. If he does this, then I do that, that. But it's like, at the end of the day, it's like, if this guy's in the gap, that's the guy.

[C]

That's who you're.

[A]

That's who. That's your guy.

[C]

Yes. And a thousand. And you need the rules because they're there. You need the structure, and you need to have, like, responsibilities and whatnot. But sometimes a lot of players, especially high IQ guys, can get bogged down with that.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Dude, just play fast, man. Like, way overthinking this right now. Exactly, my brother. It's funny we're talking about this because Trav and I were talking last night, and he gave me some gold that Andy gave him. Andy Heck, the offensive line coach for the Chance Chiefs. It's like they're running some counterplay or something like that. It's like, oh, what happens if, like, the backers in that gap, Like, I know I'm supposed to go outside, but, like, if he's in here and Andy's like, you'll make the right decision. That's awesome. That is awesome.

[A]

I had a. My first couple years with the Titans. Like, I had a coach that was like, you. Do you follow the rules? Yeah, like, I have an answer for everything. You follow the rules. So 2016, Russ Grim comes in, who played for the Redskins for a Of lot.

[C]

Yeah. Legend.

[A]

I. I've told the story so many times, but he just. His ability to get me to relax on the rules.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, what do you have on stutter? Like, well, if it's a. If the three technique that I'm gonna do to the backside linebacker, who's the mic. But if not, then I'm gonna go through. And if the income. He's like, no, no, no. Hey. Basically, close your eyes, go to 11 o'.

[C]

Clock. There you go. Yeah.

[A]

That's the guy you run into. And the being able to be freed of all the rules and regulations that have to take place.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Was. It was massive for my career.

[C]

Well, then you just go back to being an athlete and being a football player. Run around the coaches that can really dumb it down and make it have, like, that little mechanism that snaps a guy into just being a player is, I think, the best coaches and how Jeff Stalin's like that. So is Howard Mudd. Howard Mudd would say some of the most outrageous things. Like, this guy that coached multiple hall of Famers, he played in the league for a long time. And like, his pass blocking technique was go out there and shake his hand. I was like, what are you talking about? How I was like, get into the position that you would shake his hand. Hand. And you'll be in the perfect position to block him.

[A]

Yeah, it's kind of genius.

[C]

He's like, how do you. Like, how do I block a three technique? How? He's like, how do you walk through a door? And I'm like, what the does that have to do with the three technique? Howard?

[A]

That is a crazy. That's a crazy.

[C]

He was so funny. And how do you walk through a door? Yeah, it was just like an outlandish human being. But he was great, and he was low key, a genius in some of the things he would say. And he would give everybody, like, little mechanisms. Like, so, like, we used to call it like being in the Matrix, right? You're struggling, having a bad game, and you're overthinking. It's like, oh, you took the wrong pill. Like, you're in the. You're in an area that you don't know where you're at right now, brother. And Howard would. He would have each guy have, like, this little mechanism. Like, if you're ever in that moment, like, for somebody, it might be like two hands of the throat. Next set. Just go there, put two hands on the guy's throat. For me, it's like just hoping. I'm like, just hop. He's like, just hop.

[D]

And.

[C]

But it would get you out of, like, overthinking it, and it would get you back to just like, hey, let's just focus on one very minute thing and then just play ball. And I think that's a very underrated part of coaching is, like, the mental side of it and knowing how to get guys out of their own head.

[A]

Is he giving you, like, the hop as, like, your cue, or is that something you would do?

[C]

That was his technique for undersized centers. It's a mule kick. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So he. His whole thing with me is, like, whenever I was struggling, most of the times it was power. So he's like, just get your two hands on him and hop. Like, don't even over. You're way overthinking this. Just do that now. It doesn't always work, right?

[A]

No.

[C]

You're passing off a game and you're two hands underneath hopping, like, yeah, it's not going to go very well, but it was. It was really good on average. It really did benefit, and it got you out of your own head, which was the perfect purpose of it. And I'm trying to remember. There was another thing I was going to say there about Howard, but, yeah, his whole thing with pass blocking was just. And I still use this with guys, especially new guys. Like, we had a guy. Oh, my God, Holland. I can't remember his life. Massive guy with the Eagles this year in camp and from Rutgers. Played D lines, playing offensive line. He's figuring things out and asking me at least pass blocking questions and, like, footwork and hand placement as I. Bro, did you play basketball? I just go play basket. Like, the quarterback's the hoop, and just stay in front of this. That's not. That's. You're. You're thinking about way too much. Just get into that relationship anyways, so.

[D]

Play basketball.

[A]

Play basketball.

[D]

I feel like basketball is a big, like, coachism. That's always said.

[C]

Well, because it's relatable most. Most players at some point.

[D]

Basketball. Basketball, yeah.

[C]

Then like, for at least the quarterback, like, if you understand how to be for a new guy who doesn't understand the relationship you need to be in with a player having that frame of mind of, like, the hoop is at 7 yards and right here, and you're just trying to force him away from that. Like, don't think about what foot is back and what hand you're punching with yet. Like, just get into the proper body position, and then we can focus on that other stuff. Yeah.

[D]

You've gotten to. You mentioned getting to play for four different head coaches. What. What makes. Like, thinking about Sirianni and Coach Reed? Because you got to play for both of them.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What makes them each good and unique in their own right? Getting to play for guys like that.

[C]

So it's. It's really hard for me to, like, analyze Andy Reid because I was with him for my first two years, and in my second year, I was hurt for all of it. So, like, I wasn't at the stage yet where I was, like, analyzing the head coach and, like, had the frame of reference to truly, truly know it.

[D]

Like, being a full leader. I'm the guy.

[C]

And when I got there, Andy had already had a decade of going to NFC championship games, went to a Super Bowl. So, like, he was already established as one of the best coaches in the NFL. So there was an aura about. About Andy that, like, this is one of the best coaches in the NFL. He's a very, like, stoic guy. So, like, when you would do something, I think when he gave you. You like, that. That sugar, like, you did a good job. It felt real good because it was, like, so sparse that he would give it out. Right. And he had a way about him where, like, he was Like a tough, hard nosed guy, but at the same time loved his players and he was able to infuse that. And it's a really hard line to walk because usually either guys are like overly friendly with the players or they're overly hard asses on the players. And Andy had. Has just a. As good as I've said seen a way of maintaining discipline. Maintaining like, like people are afraid. Were afraid of Andy, you know what I mean? And. But they also like loved him and like wanted to please him because of like who he was and like how he would fall on the sword and impress conferences and how he would handle himself and how he talked to you in the middle of a game. Like he's just, he's a very unique person that I think is unanimously, almost unanimously loved by like every player from. And that's extremely hard to do. And then Nick is. I mean he was young and just like the amount of energy and I talk about this, we talked about it with Howe. I think about it with defense a lot. I really like this relentlessness is like a big like thing that I believe in. Like the guys that are the best at everything, just like there's. They just like do not stop or get tired or like, like, like Van Bosch in Tennessee. Like that dude would never stop rushing the passer. And I think Nick, right away, he's just like the amount of energy he attacks every single day with every single meeting out on the field. He's always trying to improve. He's doing this not just with players, with other coaches. He just has this like way about him that is a driving force. And I think the players really respect that. Love it.

[A]

I did almost bring up the 2017, everyone's broke down the car, Morrison, Wentz and a Nick Foles thing. And that's, that's great. We'll probably get into a little bit about that. But more than anything, I need to know, is it true?

[C]

I don't know what we're talking about.

[D]

Oh, you know, you know, 2017 hours, 2017, Nick Foles.

[C]

Oh, no, that's definitely true. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You're the first, you're the first player to just fully be like, yes, that is correct.

[C]

No. Connor Barwin. Was.

[A]

Was he?

[C]

Connor. So this is a great story. Connor. Connor. Somehow it had started to get out there and I don't know if it was somebody at barstool, but somebody asked Connor Baldwin and he confirmed it and we're at it. We just so happened to be at a golf outing like the next week and the Whole offensive line is playing. Nick came. His dad came in, and we get done, and this whole thing had just hit the story. Like, the news waves, and we're getting off the course. Me and Connor rode together. So we hop in my truck, and as we're, like, driving away from the course horse, Nick's dad, like, waves us down, and we pull up and lower the window. He's like, hey, hey, Connor. I just want to thank you about saying all those nice things about my son. It was so. Larry was. Was a gem right there. But, yeah, no, he's. Most of the time when there's a. What. What's. The. The myths are. Are that prevalent. There's a. There's some truth behind them, for sure.

[A]

I love that. I mean, what a unique set. Like, Saint Nick. Nick.

[C]

And it couldn't happen to a. Like, more. It couldn't happen. Like, a more humble. Just like, yeah, great human being, dude.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

With. With. What is it? With great. Whatever comes great responsibility. Nick is nailing that.

[A]

That's great powers come. Great responsibility.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

Nick is Spiderman Dog. I mean. Yeah, good for him.

[C]

Yeah, good for Nick.

[A]

That's amazing.

[D]

Friend of the show.

[A]

Friend. Is he.

[D]

I got to hang out with him for a day last year. So since we're boys, I'm thinking friend of the show.

[A]

Future friend of the show. Yeah, future friend of the show.

[D]

Friend of myself.

[A]

I don't remember Nick coming up. I guess it's going bad for my brain.

[C]

And he's. And he's a tremendous dude, a tremendous teammate, and he was a great player. I mean, obviously, the. The Super Bowl 52. The game he had. I mean, Tom Brady had the best game of his career against us and lost solely because Nick, like, played his ass off.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

He outshot the best quarterback in the history of the game. Game in the biggest stage possible. And, like, it's pretty awesome to have that on your belt.

[D]

100%.

[A]

Something else that's really awesome is, like, Lane Johnson, obviously, he's 99 this year. He's had a lot of peaks and valleys through his career, whether it was the PED thing or the anxiety thing that. But when I go to look at clips about Lane or just on my algorithm, I've seen him consistently talk about you from, like, being somebody that he could lean on, like, the relationship you guys have. He helped you through a lot of stuff. Like, what was it like for you watching Lane go through that stuff? And what were some things you did to help him?

[C]

Well, I mean, I just. You just Try and be there for him. I mean, I don't. I'm not a especially like the mental stuff. I'm not like a mental health like expert. I don't know how to do it. But you just try and be a good teammate and be there for your buddy. And you know, Lane, to anybody that knows him or has interacted with them like one of the most well intentioned human beings I've ever been around in my life, he is such a good dude and he operates that way continuously. And we were very young together when we both were there. I was in my third year, he was coming in as a rookie and we were there for so long together. And in a lot of ways, you know when all of the changes are happening throughout the building and you go through that much like struggle and adversity and pain with each other on both of our ends, you know, he saw me go through 2016. He's like, I don't know if Kelsey's gonna be back. And like. So I think we both saw a lot of that throughout our own careers and we both have persevered through it and we did a lot of that together. And I think that that always brings people closer. Like, the good times are great, but when you're going through the with people and they don't give up on you and they freaking ride with you, that's when real bonds are made. And Lane is about as close to a brother that I would ever say and like, I mean, he's just like such a great dude and like there, I don't know, there's many people on the planet that I trust more. Lane Johnson for your.

[D]

When it comes to leadership, when did it start? When did you be. Start becoming like a vocal guy? Were you always that way? Because I feel like in. More in the back half of your career, especially you have the iconic super bowl parade when you're on the mic and then I. The camera finds you. When you're having tough moments in the season and you're giving the, the team a speech or a talk about what the week's going to be like. Was that always something that, that you had or was that something you once you felt entrusted? As I am the leader, I need to step up and say something.

[C]

I think that it's, it's both. I think that I, I've. I think I've always had a knack for that. Even in high school. I certainly got better at it as I went along. Like, high school was like, remember the Titan style, You know what I mean? Like, that's a. And then as you get older, you have more like emotional awareness of things and you start to think about it in a lot more sappy ways in some regards. But I think, I think in the O line room, I had a lot of that earlier in my career. And then as you get older and you become a more veteran guy, then you start getting afforded opportunities to talk to the team more, right? Like, it's hard to. You're not going to go do that as like a six round pick, right? Like, he's got to shut the fuck up. Like, I got you. But I think you lead in a different way when you're young. You lead by your example and your effort and your energy. And as you get older and you get entrusted more with. Guys have seen you replicate success over and over again and they want to hear what you're saying. Then it's like, now let me freaking speak my mind on what I think. And that mostly the team stuff and like talking more as like a, like a vocal leader, I think probably happened after the 2017 season because. And part of it's a Super bowl parade speech, probably, but I think also is like, I had the best year of my career that year too. So I combined, like had a really good season and then a good speech. And then all of a sudden now I'm doing like pregame speeches before we come out of the locker room, right? And we talked about like retirement. Like that's kind of I. And I was great at those. And guys get fired up and then all of a sudden, sudden like I'm like year 13. I'm like, I gotta give this speech right now. Like, I'm trying to get like, how do I get excited to do this? And I'm looking up online, I'm like looking up wrestling promos and like I gotta. And it got to the point where like even just doing that would exhaust me to try and go play football. And like, that's another thing where I was like, dude, I. I just don't think mentally I got this anymore. Like, it's hard.

[A]

Brother Stirioni walks in, he's like like team keys. And he's like, Jason, you have the floor. And he just walks away.

[C]

Nick would do a really cool thing, especially back then, where he would give like a guy like a moment to talk in front of the team and multiple guys get those opportunities. And I think he. It was really good because it gave ownership to the guys, right? And we had done that as an offensive line. Even that 2017 year where in the like, run meeting the day before the game, like the tight end, running back o line where we go over, like blitz pick up and run. And the last meeting right before the game, Stout would have one guy go up there each week. It would be a new guy. And they would go up and talk and they could say whatever they wanted. And I, like, just loved it. You would hear some gold from like Jai to Lane Johnson to Jason Peters, like whoever went up there and talked, it would be like specific to them. But it was, in my opinion, like, it's just like a level of like creating ownership that I don't think really was there before that. And Bren Selleck was the first guy to do it. And he kind of called that we were going to be a great team before anybody was really picking us to be. He's like, guys, I've been around the league a long time. I've seen a lot of talent and do not waste this opportunity. We got a really good team. And I went his first year, he's like, I went to the NFC championship game and we lost. And I just thought we'd be right back there the next year. And I have been back since. And it just like hit everybody real hard in the moment. And we just kept doing it after that. I don't know if they still do it, but it was. I always loved those little, hey, let's have. And that would be like the, the backup, like the six man off, we're out of guy. So then now the six man off his line was like, what's. What's Matt Pryor gonna say? Or what's this guy gonna say? And you hear like a different frame of reference and perspective about what's happening from those guys, which is sometimes even better.

[A]

So, yeah, you make it sound like it wasn't not just football, was it also like their life experience?

[C]

A lot of it ended up being. It was different for different guys. Some guys are more open to like sharing like life experiences, stuff like that. Some guys just want to keep it pretty bare bones of football. But a lot of it was like, you know, how they got there, what drives them, what motivates them, why they love football, like, stuff like that. Yeah, well, I love that.

[A]

I do too. A couple years ago, people are talking about, there's a script. NFL has a script. And they make a big joke out of it.

[C]

For sure.

[A]

It's awesome. And everyone kind of like, yeah, it's not real. Scripts aren't real.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's pretty interesting that you decided to start a podcast with your brother, and both of you end up going to the super bowl that year.

[C]

And it feels like we've been living in a strip.

[A]

What in your mind was like, you're getting towards the end of your career, and obviously everyone wants to think about what they're going to do next when it's kind of getting closer and closer. What made you decide on doing. Doing a podcast?

[D]

Well, you talk about lightning in a bottle lighting.

[C]

Yeah. No, it was crazy.

[A]

It's like, if there's going to be the conspiracy theorists, like, the JFK people out in Dallas, like, they're going to point to Jason and Trav and be like, that's why the script exists.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that is. Could not have.

[C]

Crazy coincidence. Yeah.

[A]

Is it? Goodell main sponsor, Plead the Fifth.

[C]

So we. Yeah. I mean, Travis is. We had talked about doing a podcast for, like, doing some type of media thing together for a long time, and Travis's team kind of approached us with the podcast idea, and we were kind of, like, always nervous about it because I got, you know, what if the season isn't going well, then you're, like, out there, you're talking. And quite honestly, I know Travis has given you guys the sugar before, but, like, seeing you guys do it really well with busing, seeing Pat McAfee, seeing Draymond Green, and, like, all these guys are having success and doing this. I mean, Draymond, Draymond. I think a year before, Jeff just won an NBA title.

[D]

He's in the playoffs and dropping pots.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, right after the game.

[C]

So, like, I think that there was like a.

[A]

A.

[C]

A sense that, hey, there's guys out here who are doing this, having success, and it's not a detriment to the team. And in some ways, it's working out better. Right. So we decided to kind of try it out and see how it went. And we hit lightning in a bottle. Yeah. The first year. Luckily, there wasn't a lot of bad to come on the podcast about.

[A]

Right.

[C]

I mean, that's what. It's fun when you're a player.

[A]

Like, when you.

[C]

You're winning. It's a very fun thing to do.

[A]

It's the exact opposite of how our started.

[C]

Yeah, we started ours. I had a ped.

[A]

I was suspended for four games. We were two and four to start. It was terrible.

[D]

I'm not even on a team.

[A]

Yeah. We was just like, all right, I gotta do this intro today.

[C]

It is hard when you're. When you're 2 and 4 and, like, you know, the fans want answers you, and you're trying to give them, like, legitimate answers, but also be respectful and, like, keep it like. Like, you know, not throw teammates under the bus and not give away information or anything like that. And it's. It's a tightrope to walk. And I do think it was good. What year were you guys in when you guys started? Yours?

[A]

19 was our first year. 18 is when we met.

[D]

Yeah, so you're right. 20. 19.

[C]

So how many years did you guys had in at that point? Like six years in the NFL?

[A]

I was going into six. You're going to seven.

[D]

Seven.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Six and seven.

[C]

I worry, so I think that it's good to be a little bit more veteran to try and do it sometimes, because I think you have a better understanding of, like, everything that guys are going through in the NFL.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And I think that.

[D]

And you have a better understanding of just the dynamic, too, even with whether it comes from the staff, your teammates.

[C]

And people in the building trust you more. There's more, like, established relationship. But I don't know. I don't think I would have done a good job if I would have been young trying to do that. I think I would have said something that would have pissed somebody off. I would have said something would have pissed the fans off. You know what I mean? I. I wouldn't have had the emotional awareness of, like, what to say. And I still don't. I still say stuff that pisses people off, but it would have been a much higher percentage if I was starting to get younger, so.

[D]

Yeah, you would have been slapping phones out of hands much, much sooner.

[C]

Oh, man. Yeah, that was a. Was a rough one. That was a rough one. That's why we got Dutch here now.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, Dutch just.

[A]

Yeah, no sleeves on. Goddamn right. He'll break every phone out here.

[C]

Professional.

[D]

But, dude, yeah, that. That first year and just you guys both ending up in the Super Bowl, I think it was also a. Awesome year for your parents.

[A]

Yeah. Especially your mom.

[C]

Especially mom. Mom got a lot of the. The. The noise and deservedly so. She put up with a lot of. From us for a long time time. She became like a focal point for, like, I think moms everywhere and especially moms of, like, athletes. And yeah, that was what that was. One of the best parts about that season was the glow up of Donna Kelsey, for sure.

[D]

Yeah, she.

[C]

She killed it. She got to make more cookies than I think she's probably ever made, which she enjoyed.

[A]

How did she handle all that? All the eyes on her because you get the Super Bullets. I feel like she, you guys are in all the commercials. Yeah, she's, she's on, you know, late night tv, these shows.

[C]

She is so who she is at this point, I don't think it's gonna affect her as much. I mean, she's not like a media trained, savvy individual, but, you know, she's a good hearted woman from Cleveland, Ohio, that loves her kids. And I don't know that any amount of commercial is going to change that.

[D]

Amen, dude. I feel like it's, it's one of those things too. Like, if I could put myself in, in the shoes of your parents, it's the haze in the barn for the most part. Like they're, they're, they're older, they don't care about what the world's thinking. They're just so proud. Like, how cool would it be? You're like a, you're just like a kid seeing your kids, you have two sons and they're playing in the Super Bowl. Two of them, arguably the best at their positions and they've accomplished all this stuff and you're seeing all the success. It's like people, you know, reach out. Would you come on this? You come on. It's more of just like, you just get to take like victory less because you're so proud of your kids. I feel like that's what, what the feeling would be like.

[A]

It has to be. Yeah.

[D]

Talk about, talk about your parents. Give us a couple things that you love about your mom and your dad. Now that you're older, you're wiser, you're sappier, you cry more because you have daughters.

[C]

I've always been a crier, even before the daughters, but I definitely get sappier. I think my, I was always closer to my dad growing up. My dad coached us and everything. Like, went to all the games. Was like the prototypical, just like outstanding father. And I looked up to my dad. I thought my dad was like the best, best man on the planet. That's who I wanted to be. Like, I got asked when I was really young, like, what do you want to be when you grow up, Jason? I said, I want to be a father. Like, that's like, I wanted to be like my dad 100. And we get a lot of our mentality and a lot of like our traits as human beings, I think from my father. And like, he's a very driven, like, tough, you know, worked in the steel industry. Like, he's just, he's a great dad. And he was also a little loving dad. You know, he would. He was one of those dads that while he's slapping you on the ass, you feel like he loves you still at the same time. But he was. He was a great dude, and he, like, that's who I wanted to be when I grow up. And I think my mom. I never really had the frame of reference to understand what she was doing for the family when I was younger. And I think I had always had a loving relationship and loved my mom today. Death. But she was working and making the majority of the money for the family. She was cleaning. She was, like, scheduling things out. She was handling all of, like, the finance, like, all these things that, like, as a kid, you don't really know or you take for granted. And I'm like, she was so much of, like, a foundational aspect for the entire family. And I've told her that since, like, I just never really even had a understanding of all these things you were doing. And so as a parent, I've gone now to more of, like, Donna Kelsey's a. And still Ed Kelsey's the too. But Donna was. She was a very unique woman. To be able to handle all of these different things that fires me up.

[A]

And everything you said, like, while you're saying those things, I'm like. Like, in my head being like, I hope to God my kids talk, like, talk about me like this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When they were older. Because it's like, everything you just said about your dad and your mom, it's like, yeah, you guys, as a family, it's like something you want to look up to and be like, that's. That's what you want your kids to love you, to appreciate you, to respect you, all those things.

[C]

Yeah. And listen, they worked their ass off. They stayed together as. As they stayed married because of us, just to, like, raise us. I think in a lot of ways, they. They set aside all their dreams, goals, and aspects, aspirations to, like, help us realize ours, and they did it without even questioning it. It felt like. And I'm sure there were questions. I'm sure there were very hard discussions that were had, but we never felt that. We felt like there was just, like, an overwhelming abundance of, like, love and support and anything we wanted to try and do. And it was. It was a storybook childhood for us. And that I don't take for granted one bit.

[D]

That's really cool.

[C]

Hey.

[D]

And now, like, it's in the family. Your wife has a. A podcast now.

[C]

She does. She does. And she's crushing it, she is a thousand times better than we are. She is on our tail.

[A]

She's on her tail.

[D]

How's the dynamic? Both of you guys? Podcasters have your own little businesses going?

[C]

I mean, it's, it's been a lot. I mean there's a lot more, you know, we're both have more going on now as like professionals. But I think Kylie went to school for journalism and communication. She had like, she, she had a radio like show with one of her friends in college where it was like the squirrel in the tree and they would do that like every week. So she was much more ready to go than we were. This is like, yeah, I know, I know how to do this right away. And she, she had a firm understanding of what she wanted to do, the kind of content she wanted to create, who she wanted to talk to and the kind of conversation she wanted to have. And I think that has resonated really, really well with a lot of people. Of people. And for me, I just, I enjoy watching it. I enjoy seeing her have success with it. And now we just gotta be more organized in our scheduling and making sure that we're communicating. Like that's a whole nother thing because now we're both have stuff going on throughout the week and we have four kids, but we, it's, it's been a lot of fun navigating it for sure.

[D]

She's good at growing the community, like talking to the. Talking to her community. Community. I've like watched a couple of her shows just because, not, you know, no free shout outs for the dads. I have a dad podcast. I actually go into, I dive into some of Kylie's stuff just because I think she does, she does, she does a really good job speaking to the community and making everything sound relatable. Just being like that, working mom and corralling everybody. I think she does a really good job.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you.

[D]

And Kylie, I would love to have you on for the dads, by the way. Hey, let's go for Jason. Kelsey.

[C]

Let's go.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

Whichever camera I'm looking at here, Kylie's.

[C]

A better dad than me too.

[A]

You have four kids. All girls.

[C]

All girls, bro.

[A]

Now when you got to two girls, you're out there swinging for the fences, aren't you?

[C]

I mean, I'm, I'm a swing by the fences kind of guy. I'm, I'm doing that from the get go. But yeah, it's.

[A]

Were you trying to get that boy?

[C]

We, no, we knew. I mean, listen, if a boy happened that Would be fun. But I think at the end of the day I say what my dad always said. I just want. We're very blessed to have four healthy, like, smart, charismatic, charismatic, amazing children. And like, I would not trade any of that for a second. And I think we wanted. Early on, we talked about I wanted three kids early on that was like, I always felt like Travis and I always wanted like one more sibling. I felt like would have been ideal. And Kylie said, you want a five? So we're at four now and I think we'll see. That might be it. We've been bringing up the, the V word more than ever, so we'll see if it happens.

[D]

Oh, getting this, Getting the smoke going down there.

[C]

Yeah, Getting the snippy, snippy, snip, snippy snip.

[A]

I think it's a smoke. Once you're done, it's like, you don't want any hiccups.

[C]

Oh, no. Once we're done for sure. I'm definitely getting it done. Yeah, I think we're still kind of in that. Okay. Are we done or we figuring it out?

[D]

Five girls, my goodness. I know nothing like just getting bossed around by your little girl.

[A]

Jason's gonna become the guy where it's like he just gets more.

[C]

Getting weaker too. It's like, it's like our, our two year old right now. Benny is just like the most charismatic. Like, I don't know how like she came out like this, but like, she like blinks and like gives you eyes and like, she's like, it's like cheating. You know what I mean? Like, she can just look at me and get whatever she wants. And I was the dad when I first had my first girl where I'm like, I'm gonna raise my girl tough and I'm gonna make sure I'm not gonna be like, you know, the, the pushover dad and, and like, and completely did not hold up. I was so naive to like, how mother Nature works and like these girls, like, look at you just like one way and it's like, all right, come on, we're going in the bed. Let's go. I think my 2 year old's been like, every time she wakes up in the middle of the night, I just like pick her up. And half the time I want her to come in bed with me because I know that eventually she's going to be out of that stage where it's going to be possible. And I selfishly want to hold on to that. But I did wake up before coming out here at 6am and I woke up and I look over to bed to say goodbye to kai and my 2 year old and our infant are like in the bed. Right. They got like barriers in between them, but they're sitting where Kylie is.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I got. Maybe Kai went up, she's coaching field hockey Right. Season right now. Maybe they're at practice and I get up further and she's curled up like a cat at the foot of the.

[A]

One of those Wyoming kids.

[C]

Yeah, that's right. Or we just gotta stop. I gotta. I gotta be a freaking good dad and not bring the big kid into the bed. I gotta be. I gotta do better. I gotta do better.

[D]

All these women in your life, man, you. It seems like you're expanding and you're getting the new.

[C]

And I had. I mean, for the vast majority of my life, my mom was the only woman in my life. Like it was only me and Travis. We had no first cousins. I had my Aunt Judy. I'll take that back. Aunt Judy was definitely a staple for us. But I. I didn't even know how to like talk to girls growing up. I don't know how you guys were. I was not.

[D]

I'm like you, bro.

[C]

Dude, I felt I shell up quick. We talk about like getting in your head, getting in your head on the field. I got in my head majorly trying to the bar.

[A]

It's like a whole different ball game.

[C]

Yeah. Not good. So I'm definitely catching up on getting to know and understand women and girls and females. Yeah, I'm getting a lot of reps now.

[D]

And now you're welcoming a new sister in law.

[C]

That's right. That's pretty big new news. Big news.

[D]

What makes you so happy about that? Because I was watching obviously one of the most explosive podcast episodes in podcast history on new heights. But as Taylor's talking about Travis, it's clipped everywhere. The Swifties love it. Everybody loves it. It seems like you're getting emotional as she's talking, talking about Travis.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

What makes you so happy about all of this happening and Travis finding somebody that really makes him happy?

[C]

Well, I think first of all, I love my brother and I just want him to have like the most fulfilled, best life possible. And such a huge part of that is like, you know, who you end up marrying, who you end up raising a family with. I know the kind of person he is, and I've been blessed to get to know Taylor over the last couple years. And I just think that they, they match so well together. They are unbelievably supportive of each other and both of their outlandishly successful worlds.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And it's like you're listening to somebody describe your brother. And I think a lot of people. I don't know how to say it, but you're hearing how, like, she fully understands why Travis is, like, an incredible human being. And, like, the human exclamation point was, like, the best way I've ever heard Travis described in my life. I think it's, like, such an accurate statement. The dude just brings joy and, like, to every place he ever is. And, like, people love him, and he makes everything better. And I think that they both. It's to watch them support each other, love each other, and get to this stage and now to have this together. I'm just. I mean, I'm very happy for him.

[D]

Did we just hear a best man speech?

[A]

We just heard a best man speech.

[C]

I'm going to fire up something a lot better. We're going to do a lot more plan. I got to be good at this. Well, first of all, hopefully, I'm the best man. We'll see. Trav has a lot of friends. I'm just hoping to get the opportunity right.

[A]

I mean, we'll be there. You're going, right?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It'll be fun.

[C]

A bus, an episode. Live from the live stream.

[A]

It. Well, this has. Live stream. This wedding.

[D]

Was there. Was there ever a part of you as.

[A]

As.

[D]

As big bro? Just seeing. Catching Kelsey, the stuff with Trav, the party animal that he is. Like, is he ever gonna find somebody?

[C]

No, because I think when you. I never lost, like, hope that that would happen. I think he's just. You know, I think you're young, you're having fun, You're. You're figuring things out. I mean, like I said, I didn't even know how to talk to girls till I was, like, in the NFL. And I still don't even know if I knew how to talk to girls in the NFL. I was an NFL player, so now they wanted to.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

So it became a lot easier. I don't know if I ever got better at it. I probably still suck at it, but I think, you know, at all times, I know my brother's intentions and who he is as a person and the values that my parents raised him with and, you know, how he treats people, how he treats women, how he. All of these things. And I. Eventually, I think it works out when you go through life with that, and not for everybody. I don't. I don't want to draw too many of that. But like he lives his life the right way. He's a great person. He's unselfish. He. Everything he does, I think would lead to him finding somebody that would want to be with him for all the right reasons and more.

[D]

I love that man.

[A]

God, that is awesome.

[D]

Did you expect family talk?

[A]

Great family talk. Did you what happen? Oh, we got a roll.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Question. Oh, okay. There we go.

[A]

Bud light question.

[C]

Bud light question.

[A]

Jason, you know that anybody.

[D]

He knows too, he understands.

[A]

Anyone would do anything for an ice cold crisp bud light. What is something that Jason Kelsey would do anything for?

[C]

I mean, ice cold beer. I'm not going to turn that down one bit. I. I got a very embarrassing story from last night about beer.

[A]

Okay, all right.

[C]

So. So I'm drinking beer. I'm not really hammering them. I'm just kind of putting, you know, one aback every, you know, 30 minutes or something. Just kind of enjoying beers last night. And about, I think it was third quarter I find out that I've been drinking non alcoholic beer the entire day. There's the most amount of shame I've ever felt in myself.

[A]

Really?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I was just like, the is wrong with you, Jason?

[A]

Who, who was the person that tapped in the shoulders?

[C]

Just so you know, Taylor, because she said Travis had just been doing the same thing and he's ashamed. I'm like, time out, Travis. There's non alcoholic beer here. We had both been drinking these Budweiser zeros, thinking they were just some like zero calorie Budweiser. Wiser, not thinking it was the right choice. Yeah, I'm just like, I just wasted 3/4 of my life. I just. What the just happened?

[A]

So funny.

[C]

I was so ashamed. Anyways, so what was the question?

[A]

What is something you would do anything for? You can't say family.

[C]

What is anything I would do for anything for and not family?

[A]

Can't say family.

[C]

I would give. Oh man, I don't know. That's a great question. Do I in this hypothetical scenario or do I. Do I. Am I currently in the state? I am like, do I get like.

[D]

You can go back if you.

[C]

If I go back in time, I would go back out on the field in a heartbeat. I think that's. I would give anything to be able to play football again. And I don't think I can do that anymore. But I'd like thoroughly miss being out there with the guys and playing the game. And I know that's a very not exciting answer, but I think that's the first thing that popped into My head. I mean, I, I, I cherish the time out there with the guys. And again, like, I, I, when you're in it, you, you hate going through the grind of training camp and like the two. Like we did two days in high school and college. But you know, you hate those moments. But then when you're done, you, like, those are the ones that you kind of miss. Like, I miss, you know, being my shoulder hurting and being bloody and like, trying to fight through a practice. Like, I miss my shoes squeaking with sweat out of them while I'm like walking across the field. Like, it's weird. It's a, I don't know, maybe I'm like a masochist and I don't even know it.

[D]

But, like, hearing what an injury should do to you and thinking to myself, I'm going to, I take this serious challenge.

[C]

Yeah. I'm gonna go out there anyways and see if I can get it done.

[D]

They're saying six weeks. I'm gonna show up. I'll be back in three.

[C]

Yeah, I did that with a sport tourny. It was really stupid, dude.

[A]

How about, how about the feeling of after, like the longest morning practice and you just get done. You're back in the locker room. Your shoes aren't even off yet, but you know, like, this is the longest time you'll have till the next practice. And that weight just being completely off your shoulders.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And everyone gets that hour and a half to kind of goof off and around.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That is something you miss.

[D]

Or just having fun with the boys of the potential rumor that are we not gonna have a walk through in the afternoon? Are we hearing about a movie? Is he gonna let us go home?

[C]

Are we going to a water park?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Your wife's. Yeah, Yeah. I heard they got buses outside. I saw them.

[A]

Every year, like the second week of camp, I would go and like, whisper to like a, a rookie and be like, hey, you know, last year we did this. It's right around this time I'm hearing rumors that there's a movie day, we're getting practice. And I would lay that one thing there. By the time we started practicing practice, 15 other guys are coaching. I heard there's a movie day today. And I'm like, oh, no. Really?

[C]

Well, that's a vet move too. Because there were guys that would, Connor Bar would do something very similar and you would get that little rumor started. And I don't even know if the coaches wanted to do it. But then the rumors get started and they're like now, if we don't have a movie day, it's going to be upsetting the guys. I think we're gonna have a movie day now. You gotta have a movie day.

[A]

It would never look like that.

[D]

Say. I don't think that would be iconic.

[C]

Insane.

[D]

There was words would be like, hate to burst your bubble.

[A]

Practice. So he brought us up. All these rumors swirling. He brought us up before and he's like, I heard a lot of stuff about movies. I don't know who. Who the told you guys that we're not doing a movie. We're getting to work. Actually put the ball down right now.

[D]

We're also not in just shells. It's full pads.

[C]

It's great. Yeah.

[A]

Dude, we appreciate you coming on.

[C]

No, thanks for.

[D]

Thank you, bro.

[A]

Yes, sir. It's been a long time coming.

[C]

Has been long time coming.

[A]

Now there will be one more beer Olympics.

[C]

There technically has to be. Okay, one more beer Olympics.

[A]

One more.

[C]

Where. When is it. Is it always scheduled during the same time I'm doing mine or are we doing.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Should we collab?

[C]

So mine is the. Our event down the shore. That week is always the week before July 4th. So it is always going to be whatever because we get the bar that we do our thing at the Wednesday day before July 4th week for the way that their whole season schedules. So I think that's like June 25th or 4th or something like that this year. So as long as it doesn't interfere with that week, I would love to be a part of it.

[A]

It might be worth just figure something out.

[D]

My brain's working right now.

[C]

You guys want. You want to team up and just do it. That makes sense.

[D]

That's what I.

[C]

Haven't we thought about that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Instead of just trying to make two different. Just do one day's work.

[D]

Because I know there's.

[C]

Are you guys open to doing it down the shore and doing some stuff for charity for Eagles? Autism.

[D]

I was going to say, I know.

[A]

You like a charity charity guy, but I'll talk. Yeah. He's always like, I'll make sure to dial it in.

[D]

I'm always thinking like, I know there's a charity aspect, but I'm sure there's something that we could figure out.

[A]

Yeah. Really? We just do it in my backyard.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, yeah, I guess we could just do a charity thing and sorry to spit on you. We could probably make it more beneficial for sure.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure there's stuff that we could do, but Yeah, I feel like it. This is, it's sitting right in front of us boys.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like at the end of the day, we want to enjoy some cold beers and have some fun.

[A]

Have some fun, settle, you know, chug a couple, get after it.

[C]

What else would you rather. What was the question again? What else would you rather have than a, than a ice cold crisp Bud Light? I can't say, dude.

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Thank you for coming.

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