Josh Pate Is Partnering With Bussin With The Boys + BOLD College Football Playoff Predictions

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Overview

Podcast: Bussin' With The Boys
Episode: Josh Pate Is Partnering With Bussin With The Boys + BOLD College Football Playoff Predictions
Date: August 19, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Guest: Josh Pate ("future college football commissioner", host of Late Kick Live)

This episode marks the kickoff to college football season, celebrating media personality Josh Pate’s new full-time role on the Bussin’ With The Boys college football show, “The Locker Room.” The Boys and Pate dive deep into bold college football playoff predictions—especially for Nebraska—big changes in sports media, Pate’s unique career path, and meaningful insights around success, competition, and finding purpose in the ever-changing landscape of football and digital media.

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Major Themes

• The evolving college football landscape and bold predictions (notably Nebraska’s breakout potential)
• Josh Pate’s unusual career path into sports media and advice for aspiring content creators
• The transition of college football coverage from traditional networks ("the suits") to authentic digital voices
• The culture and emotional rollercoaster of preseason hype, preparation, and the pressure on teams, players, and coaches
• Reflections on success, setbacks, and staying true to one's individual brand and values

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Kickoff to College Football Season

• The Locker Room, the new weekly show with the Boys and Pate, is launching for the college season (06:05)
• Week 0 sees football returning with high expectations and fresh optimism from every fanbase (12:35)
• "Everyone's hopes and dreams are alive right now. Now get to October. We're going to start separating from the pack." – Taylor Lewan (13:35)
• Upcoming big games include Nebraska vs. Cincinnati (Aug 28), Texas vs. Ohio State, and Bustin’ Bowl (Michigan vs. Nebraska, Sept. 20)

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2. Nebraska Mania: Bold Playoff Predictions

• The Boys, especially Will, are extremely bullish on Nebraska’s potential this season with Matt Rhule entering his third year and Dana Holgorsen taking over as OC.
• Josh Pate boldly predicts a 10-2 regular season for Nebraska, possibly making the College Football Playoff (137:13, 140:21).
  • "There’s such a path to 10-2 and I think 10-2 gets them in. I’m asking, does anyone believe in Nebraska more than me?" – Josh Pate (138:09)
• Will Compton goes even further: “I can see us going 11-1.” (141:13)
• The discussion walks through Nebraska's schedule, identifying "trap games" and their chances against Michigan, USC, Penn State.

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3. The Locker Room Show Collaboration

• Josh Pate is officially joining Bussin’ With The Boys every week for the new Locker Room show, bringing his deep passion and expertise for college football.
  • "I am of my audience. I go eat barbecue on Tuesday afternoon with my audience... that's exactly who I tailored my show towards." – Josh Pate (98:26)
• The collaborative goal is to marry the authentic, fan-driven coverage and deep football analysis that’s missing from traditional media.

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4. Pressure, Potential, and Preseason Hype Culture

• Lively debate on teams' preseason potential vs. proven performance:
  • “Potential means you haven’t done sh*t yet, but you have an opportunity to.” – Taylor Lewan (08:06)
  • “Now it’s your job to build the ladder.” – Taylor Lewan (08:24)
• Pressure analysis: Who has more pressure in Texas vs. Ohio State, Week 1? Consensus: Texas.
  • “Texas does [have more pressure], because they have an insanely talented roster. Sark, they've been building... And Ohio State, even though they are defending national champions, you got a new quarterback, lost a lot of pieces...” – Will Compton (14:49)
• Discussion on how preseason optimism is inevitable—but only October reveals which teams are “for real” (13:35).

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5. Josh Pate’s Unorthodox Journey & Philosophy

• Pate shares his story of how he went from a warehouse worker simulating sports talk in his steering wheel to one of college football’s most respected digital voices:
  • “I was listening to [talk] radio all day, every day, telling myself, that's what I want to do. But also telling myself, I've got no way in.” – Pate (108:34)
  • Took a bet on himself, started a YouTube show (after being laughed out of local TV for it), and ultimately landed with CBS.
• Central advice to content creators: keep chopping wood—consistency and identity matter far more than luck or a single “big break.”
  • “The big break doesn't come because you actually may not be ready for the big break when you're praying for it.” – Josh Pate (64:52)
  • "If you’re not getting the reward you think you’re owed... you’ll never lay in bed at night wondering ‘what would have happened if I hadn’t quit?’” – Josh Pate (67:23)
• The importance of knowing who you are and building for your audience, not for “the suits” (134:12).

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6. The Changing Landscape of Sports Media

• Lively discussion about how sports content has moved away from traditional TV suits towards authenticity:
  • “I can talk about Alabama vs. Georgia Saturday in a T-shirt and I promise you, the audience we're trying to reach will consume it just fine.” – Josh Pate (105:04)
• Pat McAfee (as a “Roger Bannister” figure) proved authenticity outpaces formality, opening the door for a new generation of creators (124:54).

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7. Insightful Takes on Competition and Collaboration

• In the digital age, competition is no longer zero-sum—everybody can win and grow:
  • “The competition’s with a standard, it’s not with anybody else in the space.” – Pate (70:58)
• High tide raises all boats: rooting for others in your space can only bring more eyes and opportunity for the entire community.
  • “If you do good, and I have my head on straight, it actually helps me.” – Josh Pate (71:18)

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8. Philosophy, Balance, and Purpose

• Repeated theme: What are you doing outside of family and faith that gets you out of bed? For the Boys and Pate, college football plays that role:
  • “I've got God in my life. I got family in my life and then I got college football six months out of the year in my life.” – Josh Pate (61:47)
• Advice to his younger self and listeners: Know who you are before trying to build anything meaningful (134:12).

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9. Playoff Format and Commissioner Daydreams

• Debate on playoff expansion—16 teams, 12, 28, etc. Most agree 12-16 feels optimal (18:44, 200:10).
• Josh Pate’s “If I were Commissioner” ideas:
  • Centralized media rights
  • Private equity to preserve tradition rivalries (e.g. not moving home games for cash)
  • Popular votes for key rules/changes (“pure democracy” on some things!)
  • Closer cooperation between CFB and the NFL over schedule and postseason (197:23)

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10. Favorite Memorable Moments / Quotes

• On building a career in media: “I’d rather go broke doing this than escalate up through middle management... I would have never known.” – Pate (67:23)
• On the “V” physique: “[On Google saying he’s 55] I’m in my 30s. Google’s got me mixed up with that other Josh Pate.” – Pate (57:12)
• On nontraditional competition: “You get to the point where competition is no longer about beating someone else but constantly raising your own standard.” – group discussion (129:36)
• On the pressure of the first pitch: “If you’ll pop three NyQuil 30 minutes before you throw out this first pitch, you will be fine... You’ll hardly even remember the experience, but you’ll have the film!” – Pate (80:20)
• On taking big swings: “You celebrate for 10 minutes... and then you’re on to the next.” (130:44)

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Notable Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Summary | |-------------|------------------------------------------| | 06:05 | Josh Pate joins as permanent co-host | | 12:35 | Preseason optimism & the word “potential”| | 14:49 | Debating pressure: Texas vs. Ohio State | | 64:53 | Pate’s "keep chopping wood" career speech| | 71:18 | Why competition is now about standards | | 98:26 | Why being authentic trumps “the suits” | | 124:54 | How McAfee and others changed media | | 134:12 | “Who are you?” — the most important Q | | 137:13 | 10-2 Nebraska: bold playoff predictions | | 141:13 | Will’s 11-1 vision for Nebraska | | 147:22 | “I’d pick Nebraska over Michigan.” | | 199:55 | If Pate were CFB commissioner | | 200:10 | Playoff format: don’t be tricked by 28 |

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Conversation Tone

• Energetic, passionate, authentic, humorous
• Strong camaraderie among hosts/guest, with friendly jabs and lots of laughter
• Insightful, often philosophical, with motivational advice
• Confident football takes, bold (sometimes outlandish) predictions
• Candid, occasionally irreverent, and highly fan-focused

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Perfect For

• CFB fans wanting weekly, honest, in-depth preseason and in-season talk
• Aspiring sports media creators seeking lessons on authenticity and “betting on yourself”
• Fans interested in where college football and sports media go next

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Final Words

“Big hugs, tiny kisses. We love you.”
– The Boys (201:50)

The Locker Room with Josh Pate kicks off Wednesday nights for unfiltered college football talk and bold predictions all season.

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For the full football, life, and sports media ride, subscribe to Bussin’ With The Boys and follow The Locker Room series—with Josh Pate's authentic voice in the mix, the 2025 season's already off to a legendary start.

Transcript

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[Terrell Lawan]

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another episode of Buster with the Boys. It is episode 342 with the one, the only college football future college football commissioner Joshua Pate. We go into his life, how he got to where he is at today. We talk about all the things college football. We dive into a few specific teams and we also talk about the locker room college football. He will be with us week in and week out during the fall for a gambling show. The Locker Room. It is going to be absolutely incredible. Also, big news if you're watching this on Tuesday. My redemption pitch after a Horrible One in St. Louis takes place tonight in Kansas City. Your boy is going FanDuel is giving away $10,000 in bonus bets. All you have to do. Follow FanDuel, repost and comment. Catchable or not catchable. You do those things, you'll be entered an opportunity to share a pot of $10,000 in bonus bets. This is Bust with the Boys. My name is Terrell Lawan. Let's have a hell of a day. Do me a favor. Subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe, comment, help this algorithm and go to bwtb.com if you love the merch, buy the merch. Get after the merch. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Let's have a hell of a day.

[Josh Pate]

All right, we're good. Be like busing with the boys.

[Terrell Lawan]

Hanging.

[Josh Pate]

With the fellow.

[Terrell Lawan]

Betting on a game. No woman's gonna tell us what to do. And I've been over here just drinking beer and making that noise, baby. I'm hanging with the fellas.

[Josh Pate]

Busing with the boys, bro.

[Terrell Lawan]

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[Terrell Lawan]

Futures Futures Futures. Always got to be thinking about your futures. We have the football season coming up and this week the first episode of our locker room is coming out Thursday.

[Will Compton]

Wednesday night, Wednesday night college football show. We're separating them very like very much their separation because last year I want to say we combined them for a while.

[Terrell Lawan]

Combined for a while.

[Will Compton]

And then at the end this year we are separating them fully. So we will have a college football show that'll drop on Wednesday nights and then our NFL locker room show that'll Drop on Thursday morning.

[Terrell Lawan]

And boys, this week we are filming our futures. You guys heard about the big news about Clay Matthews. How's now Jordan Bus supposed to give him a round of applause? Just an absolute professional as well. Jeremy Clump has kind of been aligning all of these things. He has called, texted, sent a pigeon, sent a raven every which way he possibly can to start preparing for the locker room. That'll be amazing. And as always, joining us will be Delaney Walker.

[Will Compton]

He's locked in. Delaney locked in. Clay locked in. And do you want to go ahead and announce the special guest that'll be joining us for the college football.

[Terrell Lawan]

Do we want. Do we want to wait? Do we want to do it now?

[Will Compton]

We are recording on Monday. The announcement is dropping today that the collaboration is happening. So by the time people are listening now because they'll see who our guest is. Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

That guest is not just a guest on Bustle with the Boys. He's also going to be a part of our college football show. They'll one the only, possibly the commissioner of the entire college football world, eventually, Joshua Paint. So those things coming out this week, we're getting the season started. It's big time. I believe it's Ireland. Correct. Week zero. Ireland's going down. Football is officially, officially back. This week. It's going down. It's amazing. And this whole year, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, there is going to be a whole slate for you guys that we will do our best, our absolute best to show you the schedule of what is coming out with busting with the boys. It is going to be an amazing time. But Josh Pate, just a man of the people, got beautiful arms, got a beautiful head. That man has got a beautiful brain as well. He's going to take us to school every single week. When it comes to college football, we're going to have a blast.

[Will Compton]

He's the best college football head in America.

[Terrell Lawan]

Best college football head in America. And as the best college football head in America, he had some very nice things to say about Nebraska. Did you see that?

[Will Compton]

I did see that. I didn't know if we wanted to wait until he got on the bus to where we could talk. And I know we got several things on the docket involving college football. We got the 2018 playoff, we got the Michigan scandal, the how that kind of got solved last week. We got, you know, people putting Nebraska in their playoff runs. People are starting to find out about Nebraska a little bit.

[Terrell Lawan]

People are starting to whisper. People are starting to do what Wilcoms have been doing. For the last 17 years, talking about Nebraska football. Nebraska football is no longer a team that you're just like, oh, yeah, they remember that when they were good in the 90s. Now we're talking about potential candidates for potential playoffs.

[Will Compton]

Potential. Potential. Potentials.

[Terrell Lawan]

Potential.

[Will Compton]

It has. If people want to talk about Connor. Stallions manifesto. Willie C's manifesto on Nebraska is starting to come to fruition.

[Terrell Lawan]

That's right. What does potential mean, Will?

[Will Compton]

Potential means.

[Terrell Lawan]

Let me stop you there. Potential means you haven't done shit yet, but you have an opportunity to do.

[Will Compton]

Something that the ceilings high. But you haven't. You haven't touched the ceiling. Yeah, the ceilings up there. You got to do the things that tap into that potential. But we have not done that.

[Terrell Lawan]

Potential is. You see where you could go now. It's your job to build the ladder.

[Will Compton]

Potential is the capacity to develop, succeed, or become something in the future.

[Terrell Lawan]

In the future. Building blocks. Matt Rule, all those boys have been building blocks. Every single day in camp, Will Compton, he hears whispers. I'm sure he talks to Eckler every single day. I walk in on Will, we get him a little stretch in our sore next weight room. What's he doing? Listen to Eckler talk about doing a press conference. What's he do after that? Probably calls Eckler. Wilco knows what's happening in that building. All the way. About a thousand miles away in Nashville, Tennessee. The rest of the world will now find out. Coming August 28th, when Cincinnati takes on Nebraska. Cincinnati, home of the new Heights podcast. Nebraska for that week. Home of the Bus with the Boys podcast. It is going to be an epic start for the Nebraska season. What's the future look like for Nebraska in that first game for you, Will?

[Will Compton]

An ass whooping.

[Terrell Lawan]

An ass whooping. 60 minutes.

[Will Compton]

The world's gonna find out on Thursday night, a week from Thursday. I was getting juiced up about it last night.

[Terrell Lawan]

That is kind of wild.

[Will Compton]

And, yeah, I expect a good, strong performance. I. I expect a very strong leg. People have been hearing the, the. The whispers, been seeing the interviews with Tears of Archie Wilson being homesick, being away from his family, living in Australia. Apparently he's got a. An absolute juggernaut of a leg. Can kick it every which way, can bomb it about 70 yards. Our opponent is going to win his football games this year and he might be the number one punter in the country.

[Terrell Lawan]

Might be number one punter in the country. And it's not just one leg. Kids do legs. Both legs. Dual legs. A dual leg threat, dude.

[Will Compton]

I mean, I'M excited. Football season. We all know it. Everybody with their team. Everyone's a champion right now.

[Terrell Lawan]

Everyone's a champion.

[Will Compton]

Everyone has a lot to be optimistic about. Well, a lot of teams do. There's some that might be, you know, they might be middle of the road. They might be ready for a middle of the road season.

[Terrell Lawan]

See, I love that. Ain't nobody ready for a middle road season. Even the teams that haven't had great camps and if they were to lean back a little bit and actually look at the entire team and probably realize we don't have the talent to compete for next championship. Every Division 1 football team thinks this is the year they shock the world because of X, Y and Z. I don't know.

[Will Compton]

Hang on. Timeout. Timeout. Does everybody here have high expectations for their team this year? Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Yes, Jack. You do.

[Josh Pate]

We don't.

[Terrell Lawan]

I do and you do.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, I do. We have, like, one of the easier schedules in all of college football.

[Terrell Lawan]

And please pull up Tennessee schedule. We have a very easy schedule as well. Yeah, they do play in the SEC as well.

[Will Compton]

They do play in the sec. That's true. Yeah. Sec. What? You guys have a lot of depth. You guys have more depth than the Big Ten.

[Terrell Lawan]

Huh?

[Will Compton]

The SEC has more depth than the Big Ten.

[Terrell Lawan]

This is a catastrophic one. This is a catastrophic 180 for Wilcox. So you're saying I can be a realist about it.

[Will Compton]

Like the Big Ten had the Natties live in the Big Ten. Like the. The top of the top is the Big Ten. But as far as depth goes, SEC has more depth.

[Terrell Lawan]

If Nebrask. If Nebraska pulls their weight. Yeah, if Nebraska pulls their weight this year, you got Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon leading with Michigan, Illinois, usc. Illinois is a sleeper this year. Usc, Indiana was in the playoff last year, and Nebraska, that's eight teams. That's a good core foundation. Now, the bottom. I don't know about the bottom. Like, our Boilermakers. Rutgers always seems to be a little, like, sneaky. Every once in a while. Maryland can be a little sneaky, but it's like. But it's like Gophers are sneaky this year. I'm letting you know right now. The Minnesota Gophers, that's a sneaky bunch of boys.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, yeah. Mississippi State's kind of trash, but Vandy, they're spicy.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right?

[Will Compton]

Kentucky's always good for some weird upsets. Missouri, Missou, Mizzou. Solid.

[Terrell Lawan]

A lot of question marks around Oklahoma. Like, people are real down in Oklahoma now. Recently, everyone's like, actually, they might be contenders this year forward. It's very odd. Very odd. But yeah best on Best Bay 10 takes that. I think the that middle class of the Bay 10 has gotten stronger in the last couple of years.

[Will Compton]

I think this year is it's the word potential is there hasn't done yet. But middle the middle class in the Big Ten has a big year ahead of them as far as Big Ten becoming a an all around.

[Terrell Lawan]

When you, when you look at the middle class you look at Illinois, you're going to look at Minnesota, Nebraska right now you would put in that but I see them get having a bigger year but as of right now they're middle class. USC I I think, I think takes another step. I think those four teams make gives you a nice healthy middle class in the Big Ten.

[Will Compton]

Appeal's been talking about Michigan State a little bit too.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Ass. I agree Mitch. I agree. If you guys in here I would.

[Will Compton]

Have you in here.

[Terrell Lawan]

Mitch Carsley said Michigan State is ass. I don't disagree with that.

[Will Compton]

I would assume so too. I'm just you know you got Iowa, Indiana.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. A lot of people down in Wisconsin as well. A lot of people are down in Wisconsin.

[Will Compton]

They'll be. They have a tough schedule.

[Terrell Lawan]

They have potential. But here's the thing. That's where that's a great full circle moment. Get us back week zero. Everyone's got potential. Everyone's out there and they believe they're going to be Big Ten, SEC, Big 12 accomplishments, champions. That's the exciting part of where we sit right now in the middle of August. Everyone's hopes and dreams are alive right now. Now get to October. We're going to start separating from the pack. We'll see who's who in the zoo when it comes to college football. But right now as we all sit here, all of our teams are winning it all. And that is the beautiful thing about sports. Juices you up. And I even think my dumb brain and timelines don't really work out together but really. Yeah. A week from Thursday I didn't even.

[Will Compton]

Realize we will be at Arrowhead. Arrowhead watching Cincinnati, Nebraska. Then we will be flying to Columbus for Texas, Ohio State.

[Terrell Lawan]

Texas, Ohio State.

[Josh Pate]

We'll find out. Week one.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yes. And there's so much of this conversation that needs to take place in the locker room. So much of it does. But it's going to be I mean it's 30 to 45 minute show so I get weary of what do we talk about here as opposed to the locker room. Should we bring people to the Locker room or should we talk about it right now? It's kind of up to you guys. But the thought process going in my head is, who's got more pressure on them, Texas or Ohio State in this week one matchup?

[Will Compton]

I personally think Texas does. I agree. I think Texas. Texas does. Because they have an insanely talented roster. Sark. They've been building. I want to say, a couple of years ago, was it two years ago, when they beat Bama in. Earlier in the season when they just started to kind of like, hey, what's Texas going to be like in the sec and that O line in the trenches and they handled Alabama, it was kind of like, oh, shit, Texas is for real this year. I feel like these last couple years, the way Texas has been trending and playing in these big moments with Archie Manning at the helm, I feel like they have the most pressure because they are everybody's number one going into the season. And Ohio State, even though they are defending national champions, you got a new quarterback. They lost a lot of pieces. New running back room. Like, yes, they've reloaded. It's Ohio State. They can reload. They have those capabilities. Yeah, but I feel like. I just think it's. I think Texas has the most pressure going into it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, I think I agree with you. I think Arch Manning is a. Is a massive reason why Texas has the most pressure on them. This gives the highest rated quarterback of all time. He comes from the bloodlines, all those things. Now he's finally thrusted into a starting role. He's one of those cats to look at. At a Heisman already and he doesn't have, like, too much film on him. A lot of pressure over there. Texas is always a school that's going to have a microscope on them. They're always going to be like, when is Texas? Since the days of Colt McCoy. Every year it's like, is Texas back? Is Texas back? You win a game, the Cotton Bowl a few years ago and you got people being. Texas is back. We're going to do X, Y and Z. We're back that whole entire thing. Then you start seeing they make the playoffs. They get embarrassed by the team that actually wins the national championship, which is Ohio State. Now this week one matchup, Ohio State loses everybody in their defense except for two guys, one guy, one of them being the safety who's like one of the best players in all of college football this year. And Ohio State does have an incredible. They do a great job of every single year, just reloading. They never have really. These Valleys. It's usually just like their baseline is peaking and they always have the best wide receiver rooms. Their offenses go crazy. They lose their OC to the, to the Raiders. So there's a lot of question marks going for them. But the pressure doesn't seem like too much pressure because they got their national championship. It's not, it's not the Big Ten yet. It is a nice, it's like a nice marker to see where are we at week one of college football when you're still kind of working through all the kinks, everything. Because the good teams. Tennessee is a great example of this. You see them, they play their first four games of the year. They're always covering. They got there. They're playing, you know, the slums, the. The whoevers, and they're minus 35 points and they're always covering over that. That's a sign of a good football team. We'll see with Texas, Ohio State, but I think Texas has more pressure on them to come out of the gates firing quickly. Yeah, it's going to be. I just can't wait for this season, man. I cannot wait.

[Will Compton]

They also, Ohio State also lost their dc.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

To Penn State. However, they reloaded with Matt Patricia, right?

[Terrell Lawan]

I think so.

[Will Compton]

Believe you're Ohio State guy?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, yeah, I think so. Map Non on the number two pencil. Going crazy on that thing. But yeah, gonna be a fun, fun college football season. What else we got in the docket?

[Will Compton]

I know it's like, I want to sit here and talk like, hey, all things are win, but we will have Josh Pate on the bus.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right?

[Will Compton]

Playoff too. I know.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, we brought up, we brought up me.

[Josh Pate]

It's just.

[Will Compton]

So let's just embrace all of it. If people want all these goddamn teams in the playoff, just roll them out.

[Terrell Lawan]

Talking about 28.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, the 28.

[Terrell Lawan]

I love having it. Yeah. People are. I kind of like the, the March Madness idea of like, hey, you make it to the dance, Anything's possible now. It's way too.

[Will Compton]

I know, but that, that is, it's.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's.

[Will Compton]

It's so many teams. But look, if they, if they want to go to 28, I'll be right there embracing it with them. But to JP's point, it's like, you do want it. It's like seven from the SEC, seven from the Big Ten, five from the ACC. Like, what are we doing at that point?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can, I can see where that would get. The number would get a little high. I like 16.

[Will Compton]

I do like 16.

[Terrell Lawan]

I like 16 quite a bit. And I, I want, I want championship week right in the playoffs. That's what I want.

[Will Compton]

I also want, I, I like 16 because I want to re, I would like to remove the bye week factor for the teams that are the best teams.

[Terrell Lawan]

Is that what happened? You are a brackologist. That's what happened.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. If you do 16, then you have, you have eight games all being played. One verse 16. When you have 12 or you have 20 or 24, you're gonna have to, you would, you would credit the best teams and give them a bye week. Like, I just, I feel strongly because in the NFL playoffs, people talk about, you know, the best teams coming off of their bye week, how are they going to progress, perform. We're talking about 18 to 22 year olds having a bye week after having some more time off. Obviously you slash that time off after championship week and get right into it, right into it. You don't do bye weeks like everybody. You'll still have that same momentum that they had versus wondering, you know, have they been studying for finals? How do you practice them?

[Terrell Lawan]

Right. I, I, I like the bye week, but the bye week's scary. I mean, you look at Oregon, they had their buy and they came out a little flat. Versus Ohio State. You see a lot of these teams grabbing those buys. Doesn't, doesn't, don't look awesome. But I just, more than anything, I want football to start right after championship week. I want to start right, whatever, December, whatever that is, and let that ride all the way. January seven. That's when the national championship is.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, we'll, we'll talk to the commissioner when he gets on here.

[Terrell Lawan]

We'll talk to the commission, we'll get his opinion. We'll figure all that out. New heights.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Building around Arrowhead. New heights.

[Terrell Lawan]

Our friends, our friends. Our friends, our friends. For now. Until Thursday, they had a, they had a big guest on their show. They had Taylor Swift on their show. She finally came out. She announces her album. Just an amazing job of rolling that out. And I believe it's 17.9 million views on YouTube since it released last Wednesday. 1.2 million watching it live. Yeah. 1.2 million people watching live.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. When I popped on, it was 1.3.

[Terrell Lawan]

Golf clap for New Heights Golf Club. New heads. That's impressive. You gotta tip the cap every once in a while. That is.

[Will Compton]

Have they, have they grown a million subscribers yet? When I popped on before Taylor Swift, when they announced it the night that they were like, oh, we have a huge guest and it was leaking. They were at like 2.52 million subscribers. Where they at right now?

[Terrell Lawan]

Three.

[Will Compton]

Golly.

[Terrell Lawan]

Three million.

[Will Compton]

3.05.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

A million.

[Will Compton]

Every clip that they've dropped, it's like again, when they did the whole special guest and released Taylor Swift, I like popped on their Instagram. It was like one hour after they released and it had like 700,000 likes already. I mean, catastrophic numbers.

[Terrell Lawan]

Fake numbers. Good, good opportunity to tell you guys, if you're watching the show, please subscribe, unsubscribe, resubscribe. We'd love to hit a Millie, right? We'd love to just get to a nice little million piece. Yeah. Let everybody else have the multi millions. We'll take the 1 million.

[Will Compton]

We'll just keep running the ball.

[Terrell Lawan]

Just keep running the ball.

[Will Compton]

Keep running the ball.

[Terrell Lawan]

Stacking bricks daily.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Stacking bricks.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Throw us, throw the boys a subscribe.

[Terrell Lawan]

While you're every once in a while on Spotify.

[Will Compton]

Follow.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, we'll obviously talk about this when Pete gets on the bus, but I do want to just quickly address Michigan football, if that's okay with you.

[Will Compton]

I would love for it to be with the commissioner here.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay, we'll wait for the commission. We'll just wait. You guys need to look forward to that.

[Will Compton]

Get the actual, get some actual breakdown.

[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Terrell Lawan]

UFC 319, boys. Hit. We finally got it right. We finally got it right. That's big. We needed that. I did a test.

[Will Compton]

Did you see the parlay?

[Terrell Lawan]

I saw the parlay. As you see my comments under your parlay, because then you would have known. I saw your parlay. That was incredible. That was. Was that plus five night? 529. Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Lost the first one out of the gate, first leg.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh.

[Will Compton]

Got shook dead immediately.

[Terrell Lawan]

What'd you do?

[Will Compton]

Got back in the fight.

[Terrell Lawan]

Got back.

[Will Compton]

Got back in the ring. 4 Legger in credit to obviously Clay Matthews, somebody, you know, before the fight started. Hey, who you liking? What are you feeling right? What's the parlay?

[Terrell Lawan]

Who's.

[Will Compton]

Are we swinging? Yeah, and he gave me that five legger. We died right away, but we got back in it, and look, we turned it around, came out on top. Khamzat, dude. Hamza, Kamsa, Whatever you want to call.

[Terrell Lawan]

Whatever you want to call.

[Will Compton]

That dog is insane.

[Terrell Lawan]

I love it.

[Will Compton]

Did you watch the fight?

[Terrell Lawan]

No, I fell asleep. I fell asleep. So I was kind of just hoping for you to kind of rip for a little bit.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. So kamzat comes out. Is that how you say it? Or is it Hamza? Hamza, Hamzat and Drickus.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, Dracus do Duplessy, right?

[Terrell Lawan]

There were comments in the YouTube that people were making fun of how we're pronounced.

[Will Compton]

Maybe they were on my ass for saying Driscus, which I understand. But, buddy, this performance by Hamza, like, stink on, bro. I'm saying the dude is smiling, right? When Bruce Buffer does his thing, they get to the middle. Hamzat's, like, ready to go, and so is Dricus. He's ready to go defend his belt again. Hell of a fighter. Dris is a student, and Hamza is sitting on the other side, and they're both kind of crouched out, and Hamzat's just smiling, knowing that he's going to run through this cat. And every round, because it went all five within 30 seconds. And I'm saying 30 seconds because in round four, it took Hamzat 30 seconds. But within, like, 15 seconds, every round, Hamzat's got this motherfucker on the ground punishing him. Just go. Just going after him, just smothering him, dominating him, doing whatever he wanted to him. Was trying to, like. Was trying to progress. And he crucified this man, like, five times. Do you know what a crucifix is?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. So Jesus died on.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, yeah, Jesus died.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

But he's got. He's got Dricus where he's, like, laid out over his body. He's controlling one arm and landing shots with his left hand, and his other arm is between Hamza's legs. So where he's got him crucified out on the map, he did that to him four or five times. Did you watch it, jp? You were at the. That's where you had the wedding. Did anybody else watch this? Fight Anniversary.

[Terrell Lawan]

Fuck. It's okay. Keep going, keep going. Don't let that. Don't let that derail you that you forgot.

[Will Compton]

Well, it's just I. It's like, I want some. It's like I want to play off somebody in here to just how dominating of a. Of a performance this was. A lot of people thought the fight was boring. I like to those minds that want excitement and want action the whole time. I can understand why it was boring because again, Khamzat's taking him down every round and just smothering this guy. But it's all like, JP knows what I'm talking about.

[Josh Pate]

What?

[Will Compton]

Positioning in MMA is everything. And Dricus is a hell of a fighter. So a lot of the times Hamzat's smothering him and not giving him a lot of space, and Drinkus is doing a good job of staying close to him because he knows he's in trouble with this motherfucker.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

So I can see where it's boring, but the wrestling clinic and master class that Khamzat put on is insane to me. This is. It's. It's when people talk about wrestlers coming in and being able to dominate a match, but usually the skill level has gotten so good in the UFC to where wrestling is not the. Is not the end all be all. Like, everybody's got skill set, Brazilian jiu jitsu, Taekwondo, all the different mixed martial arts, and they got black belts and everything. And so these guys are able to. Their takedown defense is really good. To where they can either keep them on their feet or they're very good on the ground. This dude Hamza is like. It's like back to when MMA was starting to blow up and wrestlers were dominating it. Hamza is like. It's like swinging that way in his weight class with this individual because he is so fucking good at wrestling. I'm saying every time after the third round, Dricus is sitting over there in his corner, and I'm just like, at this point, what do you even say to this man? Other than I don't know what to do?

[Terrell Lawan]

Right?

[Will Compton]

Like, the dude's going to say, fight, and he's going to come out. He's taking my ass down no matter what I do. Andrek is, like, trying to keep his distance and trying to find his shots, but he gets one flinch and boom, double he's on his ass again. And he's so strong. He gets him there.

[Terrell Lawan]

Look at that photography.

[Will Compton]

Like, he's so good and strong that he truly couldn't do anything.

[Terrell Lawan]

I mean, if you're this guy, you got to post that just for the. Just for the meat pick. Like, that's a. That's a nice bulge you always got on there, but he's just getting tossed around the yard the whole time.

[Will Compton]

The whole time.

[Terrell Lawan]

I.

[Will Compton]

How many. How many takedowns. How many takedowns were attempting? I want to say there was one that Drick has fought off one time, but Hamzat White on Rice got on his ass again.

[Terrell Lawan]

That, yes, constantly going at him. 24, 7.

[Will Compton]

And so strong to where Hamzat's extended on the double leg. And he's got a fighting chance to scramble and get out of it and make it interesting. But again, the strength of this motherfucker is crazy.

[Josh Pate]

This post has control. Time was 21 minutes, 40 seconds, 12 takedowns, 529 strikes.

[Will Compton]

Well, say the control time again.

[Josh Pate]

21 minutes, 40 seconds.

[Terrell Lawan]

20.

[Will Compton]

Almost 22 minutes of control time out of the 25 that they fought.

[Terrell Lawan]

That's fucking wild like, of him just.

[Will Compton]

Being on top of him. And again, it's like you wanted to see him. He got him full mounted once. Madrigis again, he's. He's the fucking defending champion. He's defended his belt. He's a great fighter. He had him. He had him. Hamzat mounted him, and Drickus got out of it. He was getting out of situations where it was getting dangerous for him, but as far as, like, getting out of the control of this psychotic. Yeah, Dagestanian Dagestanian I don't fucking know, dude.

[Terrell Lawan]

The dagger different fucking.

[Josh Pate]

Sounds like him and Bo Nickel need.

[Will Compton]

To have a good old fashioned wrestling match. And I, Hamza, I think will control this man.

[Terrell Lawan]

Anybody.

[Will Compton]

Again, it's like when there's a good wrestler in fighting. Fighting has gotten so good to where takedown defense is a lot better. You're standing on your feet, the wrestler's got to learn how to strike. The guys who are not wrestlers, they're very good on the ground or they might have, you know, they might be very comfortable on their back. This dude is different.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's Dagestan dude.

[Will Compton]

And people are talking about like, oh, he just laid on him like Hamza the entire time is trying to work for better positioning. Like, you know, get. Trap his knee down on his elbow to. To try to reposition and get maybe in a better mount position, get him into a better like, what is it called when they're on the side? Not the, not the side guard, but a side mount. Side mount. The whole crucifix thing. It's like DC Daniel Cormier was doing a great job of basically the entire time trying to educate everybody on like, okay, here's how you can have a better crucifix. Having his knee right above his elbow. Because the whole time he was crucifixing him, he had it in between his legs. So he couldn't get that positioning to where since he's got it between his legs, he's just got these little shots to where he's just pointing them. And that's where it's boring because Khamzat wasn't able to like keep his elbow on the ground because Driscoll. Drick is obviously a hell of a fighter. Wasn't allowing him to. But if he was able to pin his elbow on the ground, he's able to drop bows. He's able to land shots on him.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, yeah. More catastrophic shots.

[Will Compton]

Stuff that people would like to see. Yeah, more catastrophic. More catastrophe in this fight. Catastrophe everywhere. Catastrophe everywhere.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

But it was like I was just in awe watching the entire fight, watching how dominating of a performance this was from somebody who wasn't the champion going for the belt and was just having his way doing whatever he wanted with Dricus.

[Terrell Lawan]

Jesus Christ.

[Will Compton]

So he's gonna be a champ for a while? I think so. He just has to. The only problem with him going into it was like his health. You seem like because he got sick, he had to like retire for a little bit.

[Josh Pate]

Some of the weight cuts are giving him issues.

[Will Compton]

So if he can dial that in.

[Josh Pate]

Sounds like there might not go anywhere.

[Will Compton]

There might not be another human being. Jp, when we get off the bus, you need to go drop on YouTube and just watch that fight. It was like.

[Josh Pate]

Were you trying to give examples? I see you got the bruise on your knee.

[Will Compton]

That's. That's your boy. Was tubing over the weekend?

[Terrell Lawan]

No, too big.

[Will Compton]

I almost tore my goddamn labrum. You forget. You forget what tubing can do to your body. Like, when you get extended like this and you're trying to, like, hang on and not fall off, it just. I almost lost my entire arm.

[Terrell Lawan]

You've had that whole thing stitched up, haven't you?

[Will Compton]

Yeah. 12 anchors all the way around.

[Terrell Lawan]

12 anchors.

[Will Compton]

You guys know what the clock looks like? 12 to 12. That's how much damage was in my shoulder. Got it fixed back in college. But I was always. I was still probably almost 10 years. Yeah, I was always. I was a decent little psychopath on the tube growing up.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

I think the tubing barrel roll.

[Terrell Lawan]

The tube is like boys to men. Like, how willing are you if you're willing to put the thumb up for the extra speed on the tube?

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

If you're willing to keep that thumb up.

[Will Compton]

Like, slide me to the side of the boat. Because you hit away.

[Terrell Lawan]

And also, tubes have hit a new level of science. The way these things. You see, the ones that get airborne now, they have, like, a little. You. If you get a boat going fast enough, actually, there's ones that'll go, like 10ft in the air, and you're like a damn kite. So boats and tubes have gotten better. Boats and tubes are now crushing.

[Will Compton]

This was a little more difficult. Mitch can. Mitch can speak to it, too. This one had. It was a donut tube. So it was like a bigger. And it had. It had a. It. You know, it had the circle cut in the middle. It seems like you had a. That was a flat tube. Yeah, yeah, with the wings. That's a fun one right there. Yeah, me and.

[Josh Pate]

Me and my buddy Gabe got. Got launched. But we need to go.

[Will Compton]

The boys need to get on a.

[Josh Pate]

Boat and go tubing.

[Terrell Lawan]

Go tubing. Gotta get tubing.

[Josh Pate]

It is.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, gee. Doesn't like the idea of tubing. I'm not trying to die, see, I'm trying to get.

[Will Compton]

It is trying to get, like, I got off the tube, and I was just reminded, like, yeah, this isn't.

[Terrell Lawan]

Who's driving the boat when you're tubing.

[Will Compton]

Not young again. We use this cat shout out Seth. But there's an app called like, Get My Boat or something like that or something like that.

[Josh Pate]

That's what art.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, to where you can, you know, you just pop on there, you find a boat that you want. You have the. Not the pilot, the captain. And he had all the bells and whistles. He had a little wakeboard for surfing. He had the tube. He had skis if you wanted a water ski.

[Terrell Lawan]

No, you had all of it.

[Will Compton]

We just ripped around for like. I think it was four hours.

[Terrell Lawan]

You on All Hickory?

[Josh Pate]

I think so.

[Will Compton]

You know. You know what it is?

[Terrell Lawan]

Well, this was in the gps. Manager shows up, you know, shows up ready to party with a really nice house.

[Will Compton]

You just do what you're told, man.

[Terrell Lawan]

No doubt. Ain't no doubt. Preach, kid, preach.

[Will Compton]

Where are we going today? Put in the maps.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, just blind driving, man. Just out there ripping around. When you're tubing, who's the captain of your ship?

[Will Compton]

Seth.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, Seth. So Seth's the guy. He just goes, I'm your captain today.

[Will Compton]

He had a beautiful, beautiful truck. I complimented on the. On the truck. Platinum and. Yeah, he had this little. This little boat, this speedboat, whatever the hell kind of boat it is. And he just took us out. Took us out on the water for like four hours.

[Terrell Lawan]

I would love to get a bus with the boys tubing. But the thought of, like, I picture you and me on the tube and then these boys behind the helm. We're not living. We're not gonna. We're not gonna make it out. Well, yeah, we'll start hitting with the thumbs down and you gotta slow down and then you feel it going up a little bit. What'd you say? Jack's over there laughing his ass off his little. His phone. We're just moving around, getting tossed. Not in reality. I think I'm probably the only one.

[Josh Pate]

Who'S legally allowed to drive this boat.

[Terrell Lawan]

Because in Tennessee after 1998, you have to have a boater's license. Really? And I have one. But I would you your up. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But that's. That's just. That's generational because that's how dads do. That's how my dad did it. It's like, yeah, yeah. If you're not throwing guys around, then it's like, what are we doing? That's a Southern boys bar mix.

[Will Compton]

You cruise for a little bit and you're like, okay, they got it. They got a decent. Now let's crank it up on them.

[Terrell Lawan]

I will say, though, they're feeling a.

[Will Compton]

Little too confident back.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right. If you tube after the age of, like, let's say, like, 23, 24, you realize how sore your body gets.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, bro.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's that.

[Will Compton]

No, same.

[Terrell Lawan]

I ain't tubed in a minute. Got a tube.

[Will Compton]

That grip strength, too.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

That crazy.

[Terrell Lawan]

Your palms will be in shambles for the next few days. Yeah, my buddy, he had a boat. What the. What is this? I thought that was Mitch. My buddy had a boat, and it was like one of those tubes, but it had, like a. A back to it, like a couch. So me and, like, two of my buddies would sit there and kind of. It was kind of just nice. But then. Then the dad would kind of be like, they've been on this for too long.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

And would just rip us around. Dude. Rip. Pj, Man. He would us up on that tube.

[Josh Pate]

Is he dead?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Yeah, that's why I said rip, man. I think that's it. Yeah. So ours is. Ours is blue. Ours was blue.

[Will Compton]

Those ones get lost. And you. I haven't been on one of those, but I feel like you'd feel vulnerable.

[Terrell Lawan]

Hitting the turkey, just sitting up, getting moved around. God.

[Will Compton]

I told Seth, too, before. He's like, you feel pretty confident, too, Ben? I said I used to dabble back in the day. Go ahead. You can rip it up a little bit. You know, he kind of got me off on the first. The first big turn, and he drove back over. I was like, all right. Yeah, I've lost a step. Tubing. Yeah. Yeah. No, I like. It's. It's Charo. It's her family. Like, what am I gonna. What am I gonna do? Yeah. Rue. Charles. Charles tubed with Rue, but again, it was like a. We had, like, a donut tube, so I felt a little too big, like, rubing, like, below me. I just didn't feel comfortable, like, trying to maneuver my own body around her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is tough because it's like, you know. Yeah. Like, you can. You can hit the side a little bit, but when you're on the straightaway, you know how you like to just kind of, like, lay on your stomach to let your. Your arm strength, like, regain its rest. Like, give your grip a little rest. And when you have the. The hole cut out in the middle, it's kind of just hard to. Hard to get comfortable. Then when you're climbing up, it's like you got to balance on that tube part versus just being on a flat tube. You can just get up on your knees.

[Terrell Lawan]

Now you're engaging Corally. How do you get some rest?

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

How do you get some rest? That looks fun. Yeah, that. See that? That. That'll us up.

[Josh Pate]

But that's a squad one.

[Terrell Lawan]

That's like the thing. You know, the thing at the park as a kid where it was like the big circle and you'd sit in it, and then you'd spin the middle of the wheel, and then kids, the. The velocity would just take the kids out one by one.

[Will Compton]

Is that. Is that a merry go round? No, no, not a merry go round, but it's like the.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's like this. It's like a blue thing, and it has seats, and then there's a pole in the middle with, like, a disc, and you rotate the disc and it rotates.

[Will Compton]

Oh, God.

[Terrell Lawan]

All the kids and everyone's like, who could hold on the longest? And then it always goes so fast that the smallest kid, you know, he just gets sacrificed like a lamb. Like, he just shoots out five, six feet.

[Will Compton]

We'd be doing that with just a regular, you know, saucer one where it's just got the rail in there and you just got to hold on to the rail and somebody's just psychotically spinning. You're just, like, hanging on to the rail.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. You've seen the ones where they tail, like, they get, like, a quad and they get, like, a string and tie it to it.

[Josh Pate]

Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

And then they just take off, and you see that, and people just get ripped out of there. That shit is. That's just too much. Do we have. We have big news. I got redemption coming. If you're watching this, on Tuesday, today, Kansas City, I'm throwing out the first pitch to Will Compton. Big redemption. Our fans at FanDuel, they are giving away $10,000 in bonus bets. $10,000 in bonus bets. Truly on if I have a catchable or not catchable throw, which is hilarious and disrespectful all at the same time. Because a lot of people would be like, striker, striker, ball. We can kind of assume it's going to be a ball. It's really. How much does Will have to move his body with that tight back to catch the ball that I throw?

[Will Compton]

Do we know that for sure?

[Terrell Lawan]

I believe yes. I don't. I can't ever say for sure. No guarantees.

[Will Compton]

We have to figure out the rules.

[Terrell Lawan]

My understanding, catchable or not catchable, but, yeah, giving away.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. $10,000 in bonus bets. So you pick. The boy throws a catchable ball or not.

[Terrell Lawan]

I'm going to tell you right now. Go ahead and bet catchable. I'VE been putting in some work. I've been getting after it. It seems like every damn day. I bug you every single day when we're in the office. Let's go get a game of catching. Even Will's in the middle of working. He's doing some before the dad stuff. He's got his notepad out, he's playing on his iPad. And I'm like, hey, I need you to come out and get this with me real quick. So we're putting in the work. We've done some meditating. We did some visualization. I think this. This week, what literally happens tomorrow. But maybe tomorrow before we go, we go get on a diamond real quick. You know what? Fuck it. We're not doing that. I'm going in. I'm raw dogging this.

[Will Compton]

Grip and rip, bro.

[Terrell Lawan]

Grip and rip. It's time.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Haze in the barn. Get a couple good ones this afternoon. Five to ten throws. Just feel it. Just feel it. Put it in there and let's make a catchable ball.

[Will Compton]

The hay's not in the barn until you get out there.

[Terrell Lawan]

The work is. Well, when. Yeah, when you go to play a football game, you still got to play the game, but the hay's in the barn as far as the preparation goes.

[Will Compton]

Will you talk about the preparation again? It's like, we got to get there early so you can feel the stadium. There's still some work to be done. No doubt. Get out there.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, but do. When I go home, am I out there playing with my kids right now? No, I'm. I'm icing my shoulder. I'm sitting crisscross applesauce in the corner of a house. I got meditation music going. I'm doing deep breaths. That's what's happening when I'm at home.

[Will Compton]

Right.

[Terrell Lawan]

My kids know Daddy's gotta make things right.

[Will Compton]

Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

I've dishonored their name, and it's time to make it right. $10,000 bonus bets. We will have more details on that. Follow us on socials. Bus and WTB. Taylor Lawan, 77, underscore W. Compton, 51. Is that it?

[Will Compton]

No. Underscore Will Compton, underscore Will Compton.

[Terrell Lawan]

All socials. So that's what we got going on. That's what we got going on.

[Will Compton]

Delaney will be with us.

[Terrell Lawan]

Delaney's coming. Gotta have Delaney stadiums. Yeah. Which also. I played catch with Delaney last week, and I think he'd have trouble on the mound and just catching in general. Him holding the glove in his hand just seemed like very unnatural for him.

[Will Compton]

He was looking awkward out there.

[Terrell Lawan]

He was looking a little awkward out there. And that's coming from me. That's coming from me. In the light of baseball, we have baseball jerseys. BWTB.com go find those there. It says tier one in the back. If you've watched any of the socials of me throwing the ball, you see me wearing that jersey. Feel good, look good, play good. That's what we got going there. BWTB.com check that out.

[Will Compton]

TB the live show again. We will be in Lincoln, Nebraska, September 19th doing a live show before the big game, Michigan, Nebraska, on September 20th. But you can get those [e-mail] it'll be at the Rococo Theater in Lincoln, Nebraska on Friday night.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Special guests, food, drinks, fun banter, getting the juices flowing before giveaways, the trophy game, the bus and bowl.

[Terrell Lawan]

God, a lot going on, man. A lot going on.

[Will Compton]

Catastrophic.

[Terrell Lawan]

There's so much more I want to talk about, but I feel like we should wait.

[Will Compton]

I know the college football, the football stuff. Knowing that football's back just has us all so excited. It's starting to. You start to feel it like when you're driving to work.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Will Compton]

When you're consuming your content. Football is truly. There's games getting played this weekend. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Games getting paid this weekend. NFL James Cook, he's holding out a little bit. The Bills, he just got paid $48 million. He's locked stock, two smoking barrels for the Bills to make that final push. Get over the hump. Trey Hendrickson right now with the Bengals, he's saying, I don't want to play for y' all anymore. You got to pay me. I'm looking at Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, T.J. watt. I want that type of money. Their first round pick goes from his holdout. He almost went back to A and M. What's going to happen with the Bengals? Because their defense wasn't great last year, but their offense was amazing. Dude, it's an exciting time of year. An exciting time.

[Will Compton]

I saw that. Trey Hendrickson's on the trading block.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, that's what we were just. Yeah, there's a lot of teams. Yeah, there's a lot of teams out there that. So will brought up a good point. Trey Hendrickson, he's very upset. He wants to get paid. He looks at Max Crosby, TJ Awad, Miles Gary, he's like, I want to get paid that much. The first round pick, he was at A M thinking about going back to college, but now he's back in. So is this A viable option to get rid of Trey Hendrickson. But now Trey Henderson, you got the Cowboys calling, you got the Titans calling, you got the Raiders calling. You got a whole bunch of teams calling saying, we want this salty white cat on our team. Did you hear about Trey Hendrickson?

[Will Compton]

No, no, no, no. I think we should give a shout out. Did you hear that? Or see James Cook got a bag.

[Terrell Lawan]

James Cook, four years for. Hey, Miller. The Bills, they're looking to take the next step. Get over the hump. The super bowl lock stop the two smoking barrels. Those guys were ready to go out there. Catastrophic intro. Quincy Judkins, what's going on with him? He's expected to return. Prosecutors Quinchon Judkins. Prosecutors drop charges. Bank. He's ready to go. He's got no criminal liability going on. Isaiah Bond, he just signed with the Browns. They got as quick as junk. Kids also on the. On the Browns. So prosecutors drop him. Isaiah Bond, he's also at the Browns. And meanwhile, Deshaun Watson sitting in the background of the Browns. They're just like, Hey, 80s Raiders, let's be them. Let's be them out here. They're doing.

[Will Compton]

They're doing their thing. What'd you think of Dylan Gabriel's comment?

[Terrell Lawan]

There's entertainers and competitors, man. He knows which one he is. Yeah, I like it. It's like, is that a shot or is he basically just. Is he just talking about being a competitor?

[Will Compton]

I don't think it had anything to do with Shadow.

[Terrell Lawan]

Same.

[Will Compton]

I know it's about the media because when you.

[Terrell Lawan]

When you see the quote, you think Shadur. But then you watch him talking, you're like, oh, he's just talking about the world. And like, what he. He knows what his role is and he knows what he has to do.

[Will Compton]

Right? Because. Exactly. Because she was asking about how do.

[Josh Pate]

You handle, like, all the media pressure, whatever it is. And I think he was saying, yeah.

[Will Compton]

The media are whatever. Are trying to entertain people, and we're.

[Josh Pate]

Like, actually playing the game. Had nothing to do with Shadow.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. You know how the Internet is, man. I know.

[Terrell Lawan]

Dude. Dude. The Browns are a fun team to watch this year.

[Josh Pate]

That's.

[Will Compton]

They got a great lawyer.

[Terrell Lawan]

They do, man. They really do. Yeah. Yeah. Shadow out there, he's doing his thing. He's kind of silencing the haters a little bit. Even if he doesn't start the beginning of the year, it's probably going to be Joe Flacco's job. Miles Garrett's out there just walking. Johnny Gray's letting His piece flapping the wind.

[Will Compton]

Spencer Rattler leading the Saints the game winning drives.

[Terrell Lawan]

Spencer Kellen Moore sitting there with Kay Adams a couple of days ago, still not willing to say who his starting quarterback is.

[Josh Pate]

So we got.

[Terrell Lawan]

There's a lot going on. NFC south is an odd. It's an oddball world. I feel like it's a Falcons. It's a Falcons division this year.

[Will Compton]

I disagree. I think it's Bucks.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, good point. Good point. Strong point. I think it's Bucks takes a step. I could see the Pennix taking a step.

[Will Compton]

I can see Pinnocks taking a step. Step. But I just think like the Bucks are the team to beat the South. Like I say, I think the Bucks would be really good in the AFC in general.

[Terrell Lawan]

Just. Yeah. Especially if they ever went to the afc. Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Did I say AFC or nfc?

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, you were talking about Trey Hendrickson.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, yeah. Trey Henderson. He wants to go. Did y' all see a local Atlanta news did Pinnock's so dirty.

[Will Compton]

Oh, Michael Penis Jr. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Crazy troll.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

It has been headlines. Dick jokes have been a big headlines in the past week. It's true. So shout out Atlanta. Getting in on that.

[Josh Pate]

So are UFC guys.

[Terrell Lawan]

Well, UFC guys up to gooning.

[Will Compton]

People saw us on ufc.

[Terrell Lawan]

Now they try to get the camera. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a copycat league, man. It's a copycat league.

[Will Compton]

JP had a dick joke on Twitter. Oh, yeah, the cloud. Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

And I love. Dude, the first comment was so pure.

[Will Compton]

They were like, this reminds me of that Nerf football. I'm like, yeah, okay. Exactly. That was insane. Nice looking piece. Massive. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

I wish I saw this cloud piece. I wish I saw it.

[Josh Pate]

He put a date on it.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, I put a date on it. All right, that's good. That's good. There'll be another one dropped.

[Josh Pate]

It was hope anniversary yesterday.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Congratulations, man.

[Josh Pate]

Dude, somebody sent me a video of the. Thank you.

[Will Compton]

Somebody sent me a video of the.

[Josh Pate]

Relay of like a longer video of the pool relay which I hadn't seen before. Unreleased footage.

[Terrell Lawan]

Wow.

[Will Compton]

Really?

[Josh Pate]

Luckily.

[Will Compton]

Luckily for you, they started it after that first leg. Okay, buddy.

[Josh Pate]

Actually, you might still be in the water.

[Will Compton]

I think I might be out.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

But yeah, no, it was fun.

[Josh Pate]

We were down in Florida and it.

[Will Compton]

Was the sunsets out there. Dude, we freaking.

[Josh Pate]

We're three for three.

[Will Compton]

It was. It. Was that your drone? Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

The birds flying across.

[Will Compton]

You cannot. I mean, it truly left us both speechless when you. Because you see it a little bit.

[Josh Pate]

On your screen when you're filming it, but then when you go back and actually look at the footage, you're like, we'll never.

[Will Compton]

Never gonna be able to top this.

[Josh Pate]

One.

[Will Compton]

Year goes by fast. Goes by fast.

[Terrell Lawan]

Man, it's crazy. It's crazy how fast the whole thing goes. It's wild that just a year ago you guys were doing a pool party and I was driving 10 hours to a wedding to spend four hours, and now look at us, huh?

[Josh Pate]

All for nothing, too, just because you got back and they got delayed.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, that's crazy. That is crazy. We need to.

[Josh Pate]

We need to take it out on them.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Did he?

[Josh Pate]

I think so.

[Will Compton]

You think what?

[Josh Pate]

I think our boy just got here.

[Terrell Lawan]

Eight minutes early state.

[Josh Pate]

He should just enter right now.

[Terrell Lawan]

Let him come in.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, let's just get him on the bus.

[Josh Pate]

I think he's getting. He's probably listening to his tunes in the car.

[Terrell Lawan]

Big news.

[Will Compton]

He's probably.

[Terrell Lawan]

Babe, not for the public right now, okay? But we have a massive guest locked in for this Thursday. Lock in for this Thursday and they will be coming out the following week. Give you a hint, and it's not what you think.

[Will Compton]

The king.

[Terrell Lawan]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Will Compton]

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[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Terrell Lawan]

Before we get paid. On the bus he's just walked on or just got to this. Got to the shop. We did have a little small. A small get together at my house on Friday. JP was waiting to find out who won. We had to let you know that information. We played the game T yet again. Give around A plus for Mitch Carsley handling business.

[Will Compton]

Nice.

[Terrell Lawan]

Taking me out of the championship.

[Josh Pate]

Was it y' all two versus each other?

[Terrell Lawan]

It was us, Mitch. First one. First one, Mitch grabbed no problem. Second one, Mitch was doing the thing where he jumps real high in the air. So he did. I just hit him right in the hip.

[Will Compton]

Trying to end on a highlight.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, turning. He's trying to dunk on me. Really. So I got, I got his hip. He went a crazy distance and I went and got that thing. And then the third one was very anti climactic. He saw it. He hunted it down like a heat seeking missile until championship.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, I played. Yeah, it's fun. Oh yeah, it was awesome.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, it might be a top. It might be the top pool game. I mean, without. Yeah, without really putting a lot of thought into it. It's like, when's the last time as an adult you had that much fun playing a pool game? Obviously, pool basketball, pool volleyball, like those are tough to beat. But just.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, I feel like I love that drain game.

[Terrell Lawan]

What's the drain game? Splash ball.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Throw the.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, gutterball.

[Will Compton]

Gutter bombs. You are right about that.

[Terrell Lawan]

What's good? Hold on. Fill me in a little bit.

[Will Compton]

So what I was going to say is all around, I think T is the best water game because you can kind of make that happen in whatever kind of pool you're in. Some of these games are circumstantial. Which gutterball. If you have a pool, you got a big enough pool. Usually it's at a public pool, but they got. You know how they got the gutters on the side and you, you take a splash ball and it's like two on two. You kind of figure out how. How wide you can go, but you're trying to skip it into the gutter.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, that's dope.

[Will Compton]

So it's just offense, defense. You're trying to make sick diving catches trying to skip it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Fun.

[Will Compton]

Get the sidearm going. Gutterball. Is a blast, bro.

[Terrell Lawan]

We gotta get that dialed in.

[Will Compton]

What you got, clump?

[Terrell Lawan]

I have someone to present to you guys on.

[Will Compton]

On the bus present.

[Terrell Lawan]

A very special guest. Ladies, gentlemen. Josh. Good to see you, sir.

[Will Compton]

Future commissioner of college football, Josh Pate is on the bus.

[Terrell Lawan]

Some people say he is college football.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Some people say he is college football.

[Josh Pate]

Open that for me, please.

[Will Compton]

I got you.

[Terrell Lawan]

What you got there, dude? Tart cherry juice.

[Josh Pate]

Honestly, that's just me o caffeinated water.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay.

[Josh Pate]

It's really what you drink it out of. This is probably the bigger deal. I've never let anyone else unbox one of these things.

[Terrell Lawan]

What's it say?

[Will Compton]

You shouldn't have.

[Terrell Lawan]

Paid.

[Will Compton]

State chalice of supremacy.

[Josh Pate]

That's the same stuff they make the crystal football out of. That's not true. But that looks like the same stuff they make the crystal football.

[Terrell Lawan]

It does. That's beautiful.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

So what does this mean? What does this mean for us? Are we part of, like the Pate Illuminati?

[Josh Pate]

Honestly, you determine what it means for you. I hand out about 15, 20 of those a year, mostly to family and friends. So we're going to go backwards on this. So, look, ball's in your court now. My balls are in your court. You. You kind of define.

[Will Compton]

You gave us a gift. You kind of something in return.

[Josh Pate]

Not necessarily today, but yeah. I mean, I don't just give gifts and not expect something. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. You never do something for somebody just out of the kindness of your heart.

[Josh Pate]

Absolutely not.

[Terrell Lawan]

Absolutely.

[Josh Pate]

Charity is one of the best businesses to be in. I think we all know that. It's very profitable.

[Terrell Lawan]

And I will say we knew you'd probably bring a gift, so we brought you something as well.

[Josh Pate]

Okay.

[Terrell Lawan]

You want to see it now?

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. Cause I think it'll determine the mood the rest of the day.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. Thanks, buddy.

[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

No way.

[Will Compton]

We're on the bus, bro.

[Josh Pate]

It's really tough to do yeah, we are.

[Terrell Lawan]

Your arms look incredible.

[Josh Pate]

Thank you.

[Terrell Lawan]

It seems like you have a great V going on as well.

[Josh Pate]

It's tough to accomplish. You know that.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, absolutely. I haven't accomplished it. You seem like you've got it.

[Josh Pate]

The pump. If you have free time on your hands and you just shop at GNC regularly enough, that's not hard. The V is tough. In your 20s, it's not so tough. Google says, I'm 55. I'm not 55 years old. They've got me mixed up with that other Josh Pate, but I'm not 25 either. So the V is. It's a challenge.

[Terrell Lawan]

Are you willing to tell us how old you actually are?

[Josh Pate]

I'm in my 30s.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay.

[Will Compton]

Are we talking.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, I like this game.

[Josh Pate]

We're talking 39 for the next six months. Let's go. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Not 48. Do you.

[Will Compton]

You look good.

[Josh Pate]

I appreciate.

[Will Compton]

For 40.

[Josh Pate]

I appreciate it. Yeah. We got a little free time in the middle of the day. That's how we do it.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

You got to work at 5am and 10pm Keep the middle of the day free.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

That's when the gym's empty. That's when the sun's out. That's how to prolong your life. Like 10 to 15 years.

[Terrell Lawan]

Take it in, box it up.

[Will Compton]

What does for people that see that the paid state machine happening. What does a daily cadence look like for you on prepping for your shows? Because you rock live. How many times a week?

[Josh Pate]

Three. Three times a week?

[Will Compton]

Yeah, three times a week. You rock live. You're traveling all the time. You're also a married man. Like, what does a daily routine look like for Josh Pate when you're firing on all cylinders?

[Josh Pate]

So we're doing. So it's usually 5a. Wake up. There's all the. Any kind of programming, any kind of like I like to watch a previous night show and grade it on a rubric. Kind of like you would great film the day after you played a football game. We got like a rubric where we kind of grade performance on air. Then there's the engagement stuff. Then you do a whole lot of media in the morning. You'll do meetings in the morning. We will do show prep. Part one production meeting. Then we'll go to the gym. We'll get to the office for basically hardcore show prep from 3P Central until show airs. Show airs at 7 Central Post prod. That'll probably end. 9:30, go home. 10:30 to 11, when you're trying to finish calls that you tried to make throughout the day and hopefully in bed.

[Terrell Lawan]

By 11 up at what time? 5.

[Josh Pate]

5. Which is hard machine. Did you ever like. Did either one of you ever get conditioned to pre workout? Get conditioned, like morning workout? Oh, yeah, you did it. Did you ever get to where you said this is not a problem for me? Because I never did like get.

[Will Compton]

What do you mean this is not a problem?

[Josh Pate]

I always feel. I feel sick if I have to work out at 5 o' clock in the morning. I've done it like for years playing sports. I did it, but I never got into a sweet spot with it. And so it surprises me that I'm able to like normally wake up like my dad used to do. I used to think my dad was a psychopath because he Woke up at 4:45 every morning on his own. And now I'm like that. But I never thought I would be a morning person. I was always stay up until 2am, sleep until 9. And now it's totally inverted. Which is good because you get the most work done in the morning.

[Will Compton]

I feel like I've had to teach myself to get used to working out like in the afternoon or in the evening if I can't get it done in the morning. So I feel like if I don't get my workout done in the morning, I'm just behind on everything, you know, I have a little bit more anxiety. So I would rather if I have to wake up earlier, like do whatever I have to in the morning before I get the day going.

[Josh Pate]

Well, your gym's 45ft away now too.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, that's a fair point.

[Terrell Lawan]

If that the thing. Yeah, the morning workout. To me, I am now training myself that we have the sore next gym in our shop up. It's like, all right, get the stuff done, do your little routine in the morning. And then once you get the bulk of your stuff done, take the 45 to an hour and get the workout in then. But I'm very much like, wake up in the morning, have your disciplines or whatever you want to get done and then start your day. It makes you feel good. But if you're waking up at five every single morning, I find myself Wednesday or Thursday finding that lull, finding that drag, because I don't find a lot of times for naps.

[Josh Pate]

That's where the season matters.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Because in April, there's nothing. There's no light at the tunnel at the end of the week.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

I mean, unless you're going on vacation or something. That's why this time of year, like so we're sitting here talking. Week zero starts this weekend. Then next weekend everyone will be playing. And I like, I call that season protocol. So someone out there's watching this or listening to this and their, their Wednesday is going to suck. And if your Wednesday sucks in March, your Wednesday just sucks in March. If your Wednesday sucks in October, you know, no matter how bad it gets today I got Michigan kicking off. I got Nebraska kicking off in like 72 hours or 96 hours.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

That's where that whole key, it gets put in the ignition and it gets turned. Like, how do you have a bad.

[Terrell Lawan]

Day in the fall that it's true.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

There's always something to look forward to every single week. The hopes and dreams we were talking about in the intro, it's like, what do you like every week there's something to look forward to.

[Josh Pate]

That's where people so casual fans who watch football, if it's on at a bar or if they're at a buddy's house, they don't get that. But see, they'll make fun of people who are die hard sports fans. And I always like, I'm in on the joke with them because the joke is on them because you don't have this thing in your life that for six months out of the year makes everything that's bad during the week. Right. Because you have it to look forward to. What are you looking forward to?

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

If you don't have this in your life. I've got God in my life. I got family in my life and then I got college football six months out of the year in my life. Even if you have the first two, what do you. What's filling the third void? The three great voids in life. I'm making this up like, like some kind of monk said this at one point.

[Terrell Lawan]

He did sound like a modern day philosopher. Yeah.

[Will Compton]

You're juicing me up because you're right. It's like God, selfless family. Selfless. But what's that selfish thing.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

That's pushing you to the end of the week that you, that you could just get giddy about.

[Josh Pate]

I don't know what else it is. I know where people have other passions, but I don't know what other thing that people really partake in. Like I guess if you were a big fan of a musician, they're going to come to your town one time out of the year. If you're a big like Marvel fan, their movie's going to come out. It's going to come out one time a year. We get this, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Terrell Lawan]

Every Saturday, every drop, every weekend in the fall.

[Josh Pate]

And you know, it's coming every single time. It's great.

[Terrell Lawan]

Talk to me about how the origin of college football love started for you because when you were here a couple weeks ago, we started breaking down. You play a little bit in high school, you're more a baseball guy. Then you really didn't do anything in college, but you just found the love and then you've obviously turned into the college football guru you are today.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, I grew up in it. Like, I was immersed in it. So the stereotype about kids who grew up in the south, like that was me. So it was no different than that. What I wondered for a long time is like, okay, if I'm not going to play it, I don't look like I'm going to get a scholarship to Syracuse or Northwestern or one of those big journalism schools. So everyone I see on TV has one pretty much, or either they're a former player or former coach, and I'm none of those. So it looks like maybe I won't be able to do this for a living. So I'm just going to watch it and I'm going to love it like all my buddies do. So then what was crazy? You guys have seen this. Just like I have 20, 13, 14, 15 rolls around. I've been doing radio for a little while, but like, when I pulled up Facebook one day and someone was live streaming, or when I pulled up YouTube one day and someone was live streaming, I wasn't around for the Berlin Wall. But in our world, in my world, and the non former player, non former coach, non big journalism degree world, those were the Berlin Walls coming down because overhead and distribution was the name of the game. Well, your overhead here is a bus that you tricked out and your distribution is the Internet. And so once that became the two game changers in the space, I realized, oh, wait, maybe I can, like, if I'm half good at it, maybe I can do that. You can truly bet on yourself at that point. Up until that point, even if you did everything right, there were like five or six gatekeepers that really determined who scaled, who made it and who didn't. So it went well. It went from passion that I loved it and. But that's going to be a hobby. That's what I do for fun, to maybe I can do that for a living. So I would say from birth, I loved it. About 10 years ago is when I realized there could be something professionally, there's a career.

[Will Compton]

What were the learning curves, like when you were trying to hit your breakthroughs or break through the ceilings that you had on top of you or that you assumed was on top of you.

[Josh Pate]

Well, it takes so many chops. It's like full Greg Ciano, I mean, the guy has set up their Rutgers for years. Every Thursday night it felt like they play a game and every Thursday night he'd get on air and he'd say, we got to keep chopping wood. We got to keep chopping wood. And I listen to that. It's like in one ear, out the other. That's coaching speak, that's cliches. But then when you start doing this, I mean, I, for a long time, I'm happy if we get double digit viewers on a live stream. I'm happy if we've got 17, like we're pushing 20 tonight. And so that's a big deal. Well, I'm thinking to myself, I wonder what I have to do to get millions of viewers, millions of subscribers and listens. And I mistakenly thought, you've got to do way better work. You could be doing the right work. It just takes a while to cut through, which is a good thing. You actually want your big break really quickly. But it's a blessing that the big break doesn't come because you actually may not be ready for the big break when you're praying for it. So it's actually a blessing that you're three, four years down the road is when like a Shannon Terry calls you up. Because then you've got your thousands of hours of repetition. You've got a Persona a little bit like you've got an identity. You know who you are, you know what your presentation is. You're not trying to emulate anyone anymore. Like you have your influences just like we all do, but you've divorced yourself from trying to be as repetitively like comparable to them as possible. And so it's just being comfortable not being seen or heard for a long time and understanding it may be a blessing that no one's seeing you or hearing you for a little while. And then the competitions out there quitting every day because they're not getting the results. So unbeknownst to you, they're like 5,000 people that started the same time you did. And there are about three to five spots at the top of the ladder in what you do. And so there it's like 10 years down the road before you could ever achieve it. And you can't see your competition. I'm in Columbus, Georgia doing what I'M doing. There may be a guy in Des Moines, Iowa, maybe guy in Tucson, Arizona. And every day like five or ten of them are tapping out because no one's watching them.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

That is hard to adjust to if you don't have perspective about yourself.

[Terrell Lawan]

I heard a.

[Will Compton]

That's powerful right there, Josh Bay. That is, bro.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that is chopping wood.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. I feel like anybody who's tuning in and thinking about something or they're curious or interested in doing something, that would be a conversation that they should. That they're probably sitting there and self talking themselves on do I want to do this? Or if they're in the middle of something right now and they're not getting the. The love that they think they should be getting right now. Like that right there is a great perspective to, to lean on, take consistent.

[Terrell Lawan]

Action, and eventually you'll be rewarded for all the things you do.

[Josh Pate]

That's it. Hey, if you're. Even if you're not, even if you don't get the reward you think you're owed, you'll never la bed at night wondering, man, I wonder what would have happened if I didn't quit. Or I wonder what would have happened if I pursued that. That was like in the times where our traction was nothing. And like I'm trying to work part time to even stay from getting evicted. You're. You're still telling yourself, yeah, but I'm doing what I love. I'm pursuing what I love. So I'd rather just go broke doing this than go take like. There was a job. I remember this. The convention and trade center in the town I grew up in. There was a job. It would have paid me $60,000 a year. Way more money than I had ever made at any point. That was like double what making in local tv. I could have taken that and been totally fine the rest of my life. I would have escalated up through middle management, upper management, but I would have never known. And also since that's the mid to late 20 teens congruent to me tapping out, someone else would have blown up in the college space. Or two or three people would have blown up in the college space and I'd be sitting here in 2025 watching their channel, subscribe to their stuff, downloading their pods. And I would think to myself, this whole time, I'm not happy, I'm not fulfilled. Because deep down I think that should.

[Terrell Lawan]

Have been me with that, with that mindset of being like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna keep this going. I Want, like, I'm doing what I love regardless if the money's not coming in? Did you have that thought process the entire time or was there ever a point where you're like, okay, maybe I should pack this? Maybe, maybe it's not for me. I see these other guys that maybe because once you start doing something, you become more aware of what everybody else is kind of doing, trying to do around you. And you got to see, maybe this guy to your left is getting a little more you. He's starting to do a little bit better than you. That can be a little bit like comparison is the thief of joy. Like, you're losing it. How is he doing better than I am? Was there ever like a maybe I should take that $60,000 a year job and work through middle management? Or was it very consistent? Like, I'm going to keep doing this and keep chopping wood?

[Josh Pate]

I would say there were individual moments where, yeah, there was doubt, but I would say they were fleeting. Like, the consistent theme was, I'm going to see this through. Like, I'm going to steer the ship into the fog. If I hit the rocks, I hit the rocks. But, like, I think that's the way I'm supposed to go, right? I think the other thing you hit on there is something that's the stupidest thing that exists in our space. Like, in the digital media space. People don't know how to define competition in our space. People treat competition in digital media like it's 1993. So in 1993, if you got busing going on and I got my show going on, and we're both airing in Nashville, Tennessee from 3 to 7pm in the afternoon. Every listener you get is one I can't get. There is no On Demand. There is no replay. There is no download the pod tomorrow morning if you miss the live show. So we got to be at easy each other's throats and I got to do whatever I got to do on the streets. I got to get in the pocket of advertisers and take you guys out because that's how I'm going to survive. 2025 is not like that. 2025 is high tide raises all boats. It is on demand. The audience is in full control. And so when you do good, if I have my head on straight, it actually helps me, Right? So all that gets in your way is ignorance or jealousy now. And it's crazy. It's as old as Cain and Abel, so it'll always be there. But to watch the guys who don't get it. And who still try and talk about being competitive and they think competitive means taking views from someone. It's not the way the industry works anymore. And I re. Look, I. There was a whole bunch. I didn't know. There's a whole bunch. I still don't know. But I realized early on if I'm watching other people who are doing college football on digital media, I'm rooting for them. I'm not looking at their viewership as being twice mine and saying, dude, I'm so envy of that. So how do I take that for myself?

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

What I'm thinking is how do I make sure I'm in their suggested videos feed? How do I make sure I get some rub with their channel? How do I make sure their audience sees me? I'm going to be active in their comment section. I'm going to do that. But the competition, dude, it's so misunderstood. The competition's with a standard. It's not with anybody else that's in the space. At least I don't think it is in 2025.

[Terrell Lawan]

Dude, I could not. I could not agree with that thought process more. Like you said, every. Everybody, there's so many eyes and ears in this world. And if you're a fan of sports, you go find. We were talking about new heights. Like they just had to swift on. They had 17 unbelievable million views.

[Josh Pate]

Unbelievable.

[Terrell Lawan]

Wednesday, that's a win for everybody. Like, you're allowed. You're bringing more eyes and ears and hopefully they come and see you a little bit as well. And you get to snap off. You know, 1% of those people want to stay with you and watch you as well. It's such an interesting change when you go from playing competitive sports.

[Josh Pate]

Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

Where everyone is like, you know, you walk into a room, it's high school. You walk into a room, there's a starting left tackle. I want to be the starting left table tackle. So now I'm competing with him back and forth, trying to get that job. And then obviously, if you're able to get it, you're trying to get a scholarship. It's always competing for self. And then going to a world like this, it's like you have to kind of turn off the thought process of competing with others to now you're competing with yourself. And how do you make your brand and quality as good as possible? So when people do stumble upon you, it's like, all right, like you're giving them something that they want to come back to.

[Josh Pate]

Think about this also, what do you want out of it. Like, you could be of the mentality that all I want to do is grow my brand individually, make as much money as I can. You could be purely selfish about it and that's your business. Like, if you want to be that way, I'm, I don't advise it, but I'm not going to tell you not to be that way. But like, think about fundamentally what you get to do. You get to. Both of you played the game. I'm sitting here having not even played the game. I'm strictly taking from football. And it's the stupidest mentality in the world to have where you make life changing money sitting behind a microphone talking about a sport. To think, oh, I don't owe anything to this space. I don't owe anything to that game. I don't owe anything to the community at large. I don't know how you make it long term thinking like that. I don't know how you make it in life thinking like that, much less make it professionally. Boy, that, that Nebraska hat looks so good.

[Will Compton]

You like it? I thought you would have one on too. I know that. You know, I watched your show last night. I heard, I saw the clip, obviously, but I also consumed the entirety of your show last night and I had a little, little shit eating grin when I heard you say biggest Nebraska supporter in the city of Nashville. So I assume that you'd probably have on something Nebraska related. I dare I ask, are you going to be on the road with us next week at Arrowhead, Nebraska, Cincinnati, being the Nebraska supporter that you are, which fires me up because you're a monster in the space. So a more Nebraska supporters, the better.

[Josh Pate]

Here's the problem I have. The problem I have is if I'm at Arrowhead next week and then I'm at the Bus and Bowl a few weeks later, the public starts to talk about Nebraska homerism. The public starts to throw allegations that I can't afford right now. And so I've got to choose one or the other. And.

[Will Compton]

But wouldn't that be better? Because isn't the, the bias with Josh Pate is that you're an SEC homer?

[Josh Pate]

It really depends on who you're listening to because you go around the south and they'll tell you, do you slurp the Big Ten too much? And the Big Ten will definitely tell you the opposite. And then some guy randomly throw Big 12 Homerism at me the other day and there's not a Big 12 homer on the planet, by the way. That's not even a thing. That exists?

[Terrell Lawan]

I don't know. We got.

[Will Compton]

We got one that sits in the back there. He loves Big 12 football.

[Josh Pate]

I love the Big 12, but everybody thinks you're making it a charity case. When you say that there's. I'm talking about people who would, like in Predator, take the machete across the chest, they bleed. Big 12.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Those people are hard to find. And so when you get a. When you get, like, accused of being one, it's almost like a badge of honor in a weird way, because it's the safest allegation. You can own that. And if you're a big 12 homer, no one hates you. So that's actually the one I want, but it's not the one I have.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Did you hear the little nugget he threw in there? The Easter egg? Was that if he's at the bus?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you come in. So. Yeah. Honestly, if it's my perfect world, would love to have you at the bust and bowl over Arrowhead.

[Josh Pate]

Do you worry that you may overshadow the game that day? I think me, we're getting to the point where me personally, the juice around the bus and bowl. I'm just. If you think you talk to Sharon, you talk to Matt Rule, and then you talk to you guys. Do you think that there may be, leading up to kickoff, a little concern the game's being overshadowed because bus and bowl is in town?

[Terrell Lawan]

I think that's pressure. And pressure makes diamonds.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

And one team will ris of the occasion and one team won't. It's a reason why it's the greatest trophy game in all of college football.

[Josh Pate]

Which I disagree with.

[Terrell Lawan]

Well, we can. We can get into that. We all have opinions. No matter how wrong or right they are. We all have opinions, Right?

[Josh Pate]

Yep.

[Will Compton]

But also we're bringing eyes and ears to the game that we love to the teams.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right?

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

You're giving back to the game.

[Terrell Lawan]

These guys, these guys want it, they need it, they gotta have it. They look at that bustable trophy that's in Ann Arbor, Michigan right now. That's sitting in their players locker room or their players lounge, whatever it is. And they. They smile when they walk past it. They think busting with the boys. They think tradition, rich history. Two elite programs that have been a staple of college football since the time they planted their block N and M.

[Josh Pate]

That fires me up.

[Terrell Lawan]

They're proud. September 20th, two teams will enter. One team will leave victorious.

[Josh Pate]

One day, that trophy could be Floyd of Rosedale.

[Terrell Lawan]

Floyd and Rose.

[Josh Pate]

One day that trophy could be Floyd. I got one trophy on my set.

[Terrell Lawan]

Is it the pig?

[Josh Pate]

And it's the pig.

[Terrell Lawan]

Is that Minnesota?

[Josh Pate]

Minnesota. Iowa.

[Terrell Lawan]

Minnesota. Iowa. That's the greatest trophy you think I love.

[Josh Pate]

I love it as the greatest trophy in sports. I think it's better than the Stanley Cup. I just love. It's got a name. It's a pig named Floyd. Yeah, it's a. It's a pig. That's a trophy. That's a statue. They've got the axe. You probably know the big ten trophies better than I do.

[Terrell Lawan]

Wisconsin, Minnesota.

[Josh Pate]

That's beautiful.

[Terrell Lawan]

That's a good one. And honestly, as a pig lover, I had a pig in college. His name was Dr. Hamlet III. I, I can have respect and love for that trophy. Trophy doesn't hold a candle to the bus and bowl. Done. Hold the candle. The Paul Bunyan trophy.

[Josh Pate]

And you're not biased in any way, like you're speaking about this from an unbiased perspective.

[Terrell Lawan]

I think if you look at. I mean, just pull up, just pull up a picture of the bus and bull trophy. If we're talking about looks alone.

[Josh Pate]

Sentiment. Sentiment as well.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

There's sentiment on my side with Floyd.

[Terrell Lawan]

I can understand.

[Josh Pate]

I'm not knocking this trophy. This is a very good trophy. In time, I think it could elevate in meaning. I think this year goes a long way in that.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

I mean, Floyd's been around since the Mayflower came over.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

The only way I would agree with you, I. I could say I would have the Mayflower, speaking for myself, biased towards the bus and bowl. But in all totality, you can't just have a one sided bus and bull.

[Josh Pate]

Trophy, you know, Can I?

[Will Compton]

We're very young. We're in our youth stages right now.

[Josh Pate]

Can I get some feedback?

[Terrell Lawan]

Go ahead.

[Josh Pate]

I think you need to feature the trophy more prominently. I have not seen a close up of this trophy and I consume your stuff pretty fairly religiously. So I think that you need to get the image of the trophy out there more. I think it needs to be more prominent. I think it needs to be featured more.

[Terrell Lawan]

I agree.

[Josh Pate]

Mini trophies. Merchandizable. I don't think it's a terrible idea. That could be. That could be your chalice of supremacy.

[Will Compton]

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[Terrell Lawan]

It's a handsome trophy.

[Will Compton]

Yes, go ahead.

[Josh Pate]

So you're talking about pressure and you were talking about out pressure, making diamonds and big game coming up. That's what, four weeks from now? What, what date is that?

[Terrell Lawan]

September 20th.

[Josh Pate]

September 20th. But like before August ends, you got a first pitch coming up.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Actually it's tomorrow.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. And so it's tonight.

[Will Compton]

As we're listening, as you're.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. As you're watching the show. It is tonight.

[Josh Pate]

Can I give you my take on this? Because everyone's going to try and hype you up. Everyone's going to tell you don't be nervous. You're going to be nervous if you remain in your current state. State. So folks like to listen to music before they go do stuff like this. Folks like to do push ups or do the armbands. If you'll pop three NyQuil 30 minutes before you throw out this first pitch, you will be fine. You'll go, you'll go inner third, outer third. You'll be able to location spot. You'll be fine. You fall asleep afterwards.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

But you will be totally fine. And you hardly will even remember the experience, but you'll have the film like George Bush after 9, 11 and you'll be able to go back and you'll be able to say, dude, I fell asleep in the dugout after this. But that was 63 on the black.

[Terrell Lawan]

Tell me, why NyQuil? How'd you get there? I thought you were going to say something along the lines of visualization. No, I thought you were going to compliment my throwing abilities as we've actually played catch.

[Josh Pate]

We have, but that wasn't Kaufman Stadium. You're going to Kaufman, right? You're going to Kansas City. Yes, yes. I just. All due respect to the alley back here, there's not a. There's not a waterfall in center field in the alley back here. Could make one quick trip. By the way, one of my big partners is the presenting sponsor of. Of Kansas City Royals. So this is a big deal for me to even have you guys in town. In fact, welcome to Kansas City.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, just.

[Josh Pate]

I'm just. In all due respect, like, that's a little different than out back, the warehouse.

[Will Compton]

Listen, Josh, with all due respect, we have been working on the mental side. Feeling the grass, feeling the space around you, trying to bring yourself back to.

[Terrell Lawan]

Bush Stadium when it happen.

[Josh Pate]

Okay? So I'm just saying my advice is scrap all the Prep and take NyQuil.

[Terrell Lawan]

Take NyQuil.

[Josh Pate]

That's my. That's my advice. You take it or leave it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right. Okay.

[Will Compton]

What's your experience been with NyQuil in these big moments?

[Josh Pate]

I can throw accurately, so I don't. I don't need it.

[Will Compton]

But when have you used NyQuil? When have you used NyQuil to help you out in a big moment?

[Josh Pate]

No, I've not done that, but I think I just.

[Will Compton]

You get my man some wild.

[Terrell Lawan]

He's giving me wild advice. Part of me feels like maybe you're trying to set me up a little bit.

[Josh Pate]

I don't want to set you up. Maybe on the mat. I would say take it an hour before. If I wanted to set you up, they would wheel you out there then. No, I want you just to be so lost and not in the moment. It's just like muscle memory. Boom. I threw it. Did I throw the pitch already? Yeah, you did. Here's the replay. Good to go. Fly home.

[Terrell Lawan]

So you're basically telling me drug yourself.

[Josh Pate]

Yes, legally.

[Terrell Lawan]

This is Role Models. This is Sean Williams Scott out camping, and he takes a bunch of drugs with the girl so they can sleep. They can have hallucinations.

[Josh Pate]

It is the Sean William Scott approach to first pitches. Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay, I will.

[Josh Pate]

You can get this stuff at cvs.

[Terrell Lawan]

We're going to put that. We're in the suggestion box.

[Josh Pate]

Could be a partner.

[Will Compton]

Put it could be a partner of.

[Josh Pate]

The show at the Zombie.

[Terrell Lawan]

If you're looking to sponsor, sir, I will overdose your shit.

[Will Compton]

For we are brought to you by NyQuil.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. We are not brought to. No free shout outs to NyQuil. No free shout outs to NyQuil. That is an interesting take. Just get drowsy enough so it doesn't mean a whole lot.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, just whatever. If I make it, fine. If I miss it, fine. I'll be asleep in five minutes either way.

[Terrell Lawan]

You know who's really fucked me up the most in this? Jeremy Clump. Yeah, he has for the last two weeks, every day. At one point told me how nervous he is for me. And I wasn't. Wasn't nervous until mid last week. And then after the 50th time of him being like, I just hope you have a good pitch and I'm worried about you. And hopefully it's a good. And I'm like, I should be a little worried about this. I should be a little worried. Here's where I sit.

[Will Compton]

Because it's getting closer.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, it's here. Yeah, it is here. Like, I like. You're probably watching this episode right now. And I'm on a plane to Kansas City.

[Will Compton]

FanDuel's promoing it. $10,000 in bonus bets. Taylor throws a pitchable or a catchable pitch.

[Josh Pate]

So where is your mind at? Where's your mind at at this point?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, I'm gonna take these next 16 hours. I'm gonna do the work I have to do sitting with you. We have another person coming on later, knock out a couple of things for the show we have on Wednesday. And then I'm gonna visualize, meditate, get five to 10 throws in today. Five to 10 quality. I'm not looking to rip it. I just want to feel the arm action. I want to feel my shoulders coming across the bottom body. I want to feel the release point. And then haze in the barn.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Get ready. Watch a little film on the flight. Look over my notes, game plan, the whole entire thing. Lean on Will tomorrow. I'm going to lean on my boy a little bit. He's the one that's gonna be catching the pitch. And when time comes, I'm gonna grip it and rip. The people would go and take the easy way out. Just floated over there.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Hey, I did it. No, I've got to throw it. I've got to do full wind up. I've got to do exactly what I did in St. Louis. But the Ball's got to go down the middle.

[Josh Pate]

I respect it. I'm pulling for you.

[Terrell Lawan]

And if I fail.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. It's a win for me either way, so I'm pulling.

[Terrell Lawan]

I think it's a win.

[Will Compton]

I don't think it's. Throw your hands up. If I fail.

[Terrell Lawan]

No, no, no, no. He kind of cut me off if I fail. If I fail, back to the drawing board. We go back again.

[Josh Pate]

Do you just keep hitting up big league parks until you throw a strike?

[Terrell Lawan]

Listen.

[Josh Pate]

Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

Big league parks hit us up. They were like, hey, we want. We want this here. Multiple teams. If I fail here, you bet your ass I'll be back again.

[Josh Pate]

Do you do a tour through the minors before you hit the big leagues again?

[Terrell Lawan]

That's been talked about. Yeah, that's been talked about. If I'm. If I miss this pitch, Savannah Bananas will be my first call.

[Josh Pate]

Oh, okay.

[Terrell Lawan]

Sounds. Might be my second call. Sounds. Dm. Sounds like we're ready. We're ready for your redemption in Nashville.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

To be honest, I wanted. I wanted a major league ballpark before I. You know, I'd probably have to bend the knee and say, I get it. I need to go down to the minor. So if I fail this, I'll probably. Hell, I'll probably go to Little League for a little bit. Start doing some coaches pitch for some kids for a little bit. Let them do their thing.

[Josh Pate]

Just step towards your target.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Just don't grip the ball too hard. Grip it and rip it, but don't grip it hard.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

And just step towards your target.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

You'll be fine.

[Terrell Lawan]

I'm with you. I'm with you. As we're talking about. I'm getting more nervous now.

[Josh Pate]

That was the purpose.

[Terrell Lawan]

I might need the nyquil. I might need the nyquil.

[Will Compton]

You already know, too, when we're on that plane and we land, we get to the stadium, it's going to.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

It's gonna be a different feel.

[Terrell Lawan]

And the thing, too, is like, we're doing a whole bunch. We're doing some fun things. We're doing bp. We're doing it like we're gonna have a bunch of content to do, and it's like, great fun. Yeah. I'm gonna try to be present for that. However, you know, in the back of your head, like when I was. When I was playing football, it's like people would come in, they fly in. It's Nashville. Everybody wants to come and watch a game, so they come in. So every other weekend, I have friends and family in town, and they're wanting to hang out, but you get to Thursday, it's like, I'm not here with you. I might physically be here, but mentally I'm thinking about this guy, his rush, what the defense does. So the blitz comes so I can be more prepared for this guy standing inside instead of just talking to you about your work. Because to be honest, I don't care right now. You know, no disrespect, I don't give a shit how work's going.

[Josh Pate]

You know, do you think that. So of course the normal person doesn't understand that, but just the concept of game day. You talked about Thursday, just take game day. I've always thought if you could take a normal person, don't even have them go through reps during the week. Don't, don't have them go through film, don't have them do anything but just walk them into the environment. On Saturday, wake up at the hotel, or Sunday, get on the bus, police escort into stadium, and then just be on the field during warmups. The sensory overload that is a big time college or pro environment. Just the hour, pregame leading up and try and explain to that person, hey, you've got to go execute against professional football players. After all this, to me, even just working media, it takes a little while to get adjusted to how big the sensory overload is. You can sit in a studio and do it. You could be on a practice field and doing it, but like executing in, in an arena on Saturday, on Sunday, coaching or playing, just to be focused. Like the level of focus you got to get to. And with a coach, they're not doing physical, physical, physical, physical. There's just mental, mental, mental, mental to stay locked in. I've always appreciated folks who can do that.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's taking a regular person to do that. If you take it a step further and give them the entire week of preparation, we're like, here's your playbook, here's your tendencies, here's your keys to victory. And you're basically studying for a test all week long. And then you add the police escort. Waking up in the morning, it's quiet in the chow hall. Everyone's sitting there having their omelettes. Some guys can't eat, some guys can't. You get on the bus, music's just playing. You hear different genres of music going on. Some guys like to sit quietly, other guys are a little more loud. It's that nervous anxiousness. Then you get into the. If you're on the first bus, you're there two hours before the game starts, you're rolling out, you're stretching, everything's quiet. And then you go out. Fans, if it's an away game, they're yelling at you, screaming at you. Then you go to the pregame. Now the juices are really flowing because you have the full uniform on and you're going through. And you don't want, like, overexert yourself, but you want to put enough effort into where you're lubed up a little bit before you go in the locker room. The hardest part of every game is after warm ups, going into the locker room before the national anthem. That's the hardest part of every single football game. Because then you got guys with their. With their notes. I'm sure Will was like this, where he had his notes, his defensive calls, tendencies, these types of things. Some guys want to, you know, put the. The trap music on and then go to the prayer in the shower right after that. And they're yelling at hoot and holler. You got a guy in the corner that's throwing up. Like there's so many different things. And then you walk back out after being a part of warm ups with the stadiums 25% full to now, it's 100% full. And it's like you're walking to a gauntlet. And then the national anthem hits. Your heart rates at 180, haven't even taken a snap yet. And you're just thinking to yourself, let me get this first shot out of the way. And once you get that, it's like, all right, we can get going. The hardest part of the game.

[Josh Pate]

We're here.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, we're here. Right here. And we get to being able to sit and watch. So much more fun. Yeah, it is.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. So much more enjoyable just to observe.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Like, man, that boy's really getting his ass beat today. Being the guy that's getting his ass beat that day, not fun. Winning, like playing the game. You cannot be playing a football game and having that many people watch where you feel like you're the main attraction. Nobody else in the world cares about whatever's going on, except for right, right here. But the pressure that comes with it can be overbearing. Overbearing. So, no, I don't think that a regular person could handle that pressure week in and week out, because then you go games over.

[Will Compton]

Well, if they were prepared for it, like when you say regular person, like, if they had. It's like he was given the analogy, like putting people in that environment with zero preparation, and then they got to go do It. I feel like you have the. You kind of have a fallback in your mind of you're not prepared or you're under prepared. Yeah, but when you're fully prepared for an entire week and the expectation is there and you're going over, are they going to get me here? Are they going to motion empty? Are they going to isolate me on third down and trips far gun? Are they going to do all these things that you are prepared for, but you're trying to figure out schematically what are they going to do to you? I feel like understanding that expatient expectation walking on the field as the national anthem is going on, and that fear, that fight or flight is in your mind on just executing. I think having an entire week of being fully prepared and walking out there would be a different feeling than having zero preparation at all. And then going out there, you'd be scared, but. But you could. You'd be able to fall back on. You know, I didn't, I didn't do anything to get this moment. I get to feel all this moment, but I feel like that anxiety and that fear that kicks in. Being fully prepared is the difference of. With your analogy on putting somebody in that environment.

[Josh Pate]

I think the getting to the clearing of the mechanism, headspace that you got to be in. And again, you could just as easily be talking about a quarterback as a play caller. The level of, like, if there's a scale of 1 to 10, maximum focus a human can have on a task at hand, getting to 10, getting there and on kickoff, being there, but then being there three and a half hours later, you've just been there. If you're good, if you're good at what your craft, at what you do, you're still there three and a half hours later. Especially, like, if I'm watching quarterback on Netflix. One of the things I appreciate the most is the prep is beyond insane. People would never understand it. You're. You're going through living the life you're going through, being the face of a franchise, all that. All right, so then you get to game day day. You go through what you just talked about. First quarter's over, second quarter's over, halftime's over, third quarter, fourth quarter. Most NFL games are decided maybe in the last 10 minutes, last eight minutes. And to be that sharp and to be that zoned in at level 10, at level 11, with 2 minutes, 12 seconds to go, and it's third and eight, and you know, these next two downs are going to determine the quality of life for the entire next Week for your entire locker room, not just you. And to still be that dialed in in. I'm talking about maintaining that level of focus for three and a half or four hours at a time in that environment. That is what blows my mind, that people can do it. But that's why most people can't do it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, they also. The preparation point in 2020, there was all the COVID stuff going on. We had a game, we were supposed to play the Steelers, and then there's this big Covid outbreak at the Titans. So we do a Zoom call all week long, like, hey, we're playing the Steelers. We're start preparing for these guys. This is the game plan. This is what's going on. That game gets canceled and they're like, hey, you're no longer playing the Steelers. This counts as your bye week. Now you're playing the Bills.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, the bye week, though.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Yeah. You guys are having a bye week. They put us in like, Zoom calls. We go in one day for a walkthrough, and everyone is walking to that walkthrough with two thought processes. We're going to get our ass beat or we're going to beat ass. There's really no middle ground of what's going to happen because there's been so little preparation. The Bills just kind of a relief 2. There was a release that it.

[Will Compton]

Let's just.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Let's see what happens. Beating the shit out of the Bills.

[Will Compton]

Like, to you by Zoom.

[Terrell Lawan]

Brought to you by Zoom. So that's where I. When you brought up the. Bring them in cold and just let them enjoy. Like, let them go through a game day. That's not the pressure. The. The. The pressure is you. You're given these coaches, if they're good coaches, are giving you the answers to the test all week long. You've studied it, you've repped it countless times. Now you have to go and do it. And because they told you this, this, and you have to succeed, you have to do these three things. Offense, defense, special team. So nine total key points. You do do those things. You're going to succeed. Then you have the results of the game. If you succeeded, it's great. We. These are what we checked off. This is what we can do better. If you lose, it's like, we gave you the answers to the test. You guys failed the test then, and.

[Josh Pate]

Now people are going to rip us all week because you failed.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yes. When you go into that game we play the Bills, it's like, truly, that's what you walk into that game, you're like, yeah, we're probably going to get murdered today. Because no one's done a whole lot. We got 15 guys on Covid. We've been on Zoom the whole time. We did a jog through and that was the one thing we did in a 10 day span.

[Will Compton]

And all the players are in our position groups just going to like a local park separately. And the player, it's just all player led like, hey, let's go. Coach wanted us to go over this stuff. Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Is any good documentary been done yet on the COVID year?

[Terrell Lawan]

Needs to. I have, I have not seen one. Look at the score of this game. 42 to 16. After that we're basically, we're in the locker room from 10 tits, boys, tits.

[Will Compton]

Out into no more practice.

[Terrell Lawan]

No more practice. We told, we don't gotta practice. Hey, we don't, we don't gotta do.

[Will Compton]

This anywhere, any place, anytime.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. And we did it like the proof is right there.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills.

[Terrell Lawan]

The hardest thing, the hardest thing is not like that week is really hard. The preparation is really hard. It's having a result. Good, bad or indifferent. How you play, played, how do you do next week? That is, that's, that's the true scale of a great football player. It's like, can you do it consistently 17 times and then having a bye week and then you're gonna have an injury, you're gonna be sore. How do you replicate a good game? How do you get rid of the bad games? How do you take the coaching? How do you get ego out of the way? It's a, it's so much more in depth than people think that it really is. Even that quarterback show, because quarterback shows like they're doing practice and then it's like a blip. It's a five minute blip. And then they're out with their, their wives. They're going over the plays like Jared Goff, his wife's reading the plays. It's like, yeah, he does that. Probably when those cameras turn off, he's like, okay, I'm out of here.

[Josh Pate]

All right.

[Terrell Lawan]

And he's upstairs.

[Josh Pate]

We're going to work now.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, yeah. And I'm gone all day long.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. It's crazy enough about us though.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Let's get into Josh Pate didn't play. How do, how are you growing your brand, your style on camera when you're also factoring in the play factor? Because a lot of people, a lot of haters, that'll be one of the first things they come at, if you miss anywhere or get something wrong, as they'll talk about, you know, they could talk about your reputation of being able to play.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, well, I mean, I would say former players miss all the time too. Like, who in the world. I would. I would take former coaches. I mean, no one knows the game better than a guy who played and then coached. You've seen the game from every angle, you've experienced it from every angle. Find me that guy who is now making a living betting football. Because if it's really, if that's the shortcut that. Find me anyone who's sitting behind a desk. There are a million former players and former coaches who were in studios on Sunday and Saturday. They pick games, don't they? I mean, it's all public. Like, which one of them's knocking it out of the park? 70 plus percent against the spread. Spread. So clearly there's more to understanding or digesting the game than just having played it. But make no mistake, I'd love to have had a 15 year career playing for the Atlanta Falcons. I mean, that definitely gives you name and brand recognition. You have a deeper and more nuanced understanding of the game. There's no substitute for that. But when you walk in a stadium on Saturday or when you fire this video up and you look at the viewership of it, 99% of the people in the audience never play played. So who are you stacking your show for? Are you stacking your show for former players or you stacking your show for the millions upon millions of people who are going to watch or listen? The answer to me at least is I want to build the show for the audience that I want consuming the show. Which means we're going to talk about the game. But the key is not, hey, did you play the game? The key is, do people care what you have to say? So, like, when I'll go and speak at colleges, they'll ask for advice. There was that symposium in Nashville last week. There were a lot of people here from college football, and some of them wanted to get into media. And they were saying, what's your biggest piece of advice? And I always ask the same question. Because someone asked this question to me. They said, why would anyone care what you have to say? And there was just like awkward silence when I got asked that question. Cause it sounded like a trick question. It sounded like they were trying to dunk on me or something like that.

[Will Compton]

They weren't.

[Josh Pate]

They were given the most honest, brutal piece of feedback ever. And that is is if no one cares what you have to say, it doesn't matter what you know. It doesn't matter where you played, it doesn't matter where you coach, it doesn't matter what your IQ is, nothing. Doesn't matter how great your thumbnails and SEO is. If no one cares what you have to say, no one's going to watch you or listen to you. So how do you make people care what you have to say? That's the most inexact science in our business. But I think the best cheat code is be your audience. Like, I grew up with my audience. I am of my audience. I go eat barbecue on Tuesday afternoon with my audience. I always have, have. Because like my social circle growing up, that's exactly who I tailored my show towards. Because that is the mass college football public. I mean, that's a guy that's roofing down in lagrange, Georgia from nine to five every day. That's a guy driving a cement truck in Topeka, Kansas. That's your audience. Your audience and former players. So when people do that, a lot of times it's more born out of insecurity because, like, no dude with a huge following who's a former player ever dunks on me for not being a former player player. It's people I've never heard of before who are in defense mechanism mode. They're like in wounded animal mode because they haven't really found a path for themselves. And so it's like, well, what can I say about this dude? Let me think, let me think. Oh, he didn't play. Like, cool. How'd you find that out about me other than I say it every week? How'd you find that out? So it doesn't, it doesn't really hamstring me all that much.

[Will Compton]

I mean, you bring up a good point. Because again, the people who would do it would be. Would be like players or people who played the game.

[Josh Pate]

Like, Greg Olson's not dunking on me because I didn't play.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Like, the guys who have made it as former players, they're not the ones throwing that at you. The ones throwing that at you are like, like Tiger Boy 036 at 2:30 in the morning with 36 followers. You didn't play. Why would I listen to you?

[Terrell Lawan]

I think it's one of Sherman's burners.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. I didn't ask you to listen to me.

[Will Compton]

Actually, going off of that, though. I think you said something really good there to where you're curating your content and your stuff. Your Own unique self to a former self of yours that was in the social, these social circles. How have you curated your content and built out your content, knowing what your strengths are and trying to stay away from what your, your weaknesses might be?

[Josh Pate]

Well, listen, first off, so listen to people. Like, listen to what they want to talk about. Don't be stupid enough to ever get on a grease board and start talking X's nose, because I've got no business doing that. And if we, if we really find that the audience wants that, I'll go find someone to do it on our platform. And then stay true to what it is you promise people. Like, if you promise to be college football all year, present college football all year, don't do it through January or February and then all of a sudden go 20% into politics or go 30% over towards some secret passion you have that your audience didn't sign up to listen to you talk about? The only difference with that is like, I go storm chasing a lot in the spring and we found that there is broad fascination with storm chasing because I would drop nuggets about it on our show and we would get thousands and thousands of requests. Hey, talk about that more in the spring. I'd rather listen to that than updates on Northwestern's offensive line. So that's the one exception where I've maybe deviated 20% off college football and it's in the middle of spring when there's no games going on anyway. But otherwise, just stay true to what you promise. It's like really simple. People screw it up all the time. And it's so simple to just define, like, what's the overlap of your passion and your talent? For me, thankfully, it was talking about college football and then just stay there. That's where your career is. That's how it never becomes a job. It's just a career because you're doing what you would do for free. You happen to be doing it for a living. And fingers crossed, people like it. Okay, check. They do. Don't be stupid. Don't screw it up. Just keep delivering what it is they're telling you through their engagement and viewership and listenership that they want.

[Terrell Lawan]

You talked about staying in your lane. It has, obviously, like, we only have so much bandwidth per week per day to be able to accomplish certain things with our shows, our ambitions, what we want to do. Have you ever been approached to, in a sense that people want you to keep doing what you're doing, but at a higher scale, maybe going on some major networks or something like that where you had to evaluate and be like, okay, would this take away from my enjoyment from what I truly enjoy every.

[Josh Pate]

Year for the past three years? That's happened a lot.

[Terrell Lawan]

Nice.

[Will Compton]

Give us an example.

[Josh Pate]

Example. Well, this past, I mean, this past spring, it happened a lot. I mean, you know, in our world, you, you don't work in terms of calendar years, you work in terms of football seasons. So it's kind of like a fiscal year, which I never understood what that was because I was broke. So I, I do understand it now a little bit more. And in my world, the calendar is August through February and then you, you negotiate all your stuff in spring. So like, like this past spring, I mean, there were several networks, hey, would you be willing to do your show five days a week and take stupid money for us to put it on our platforms or behind a paywall? And so, hey, man, money's great, but we already make enough of it. And I'm doing my show three days a week and the trade off there is like we went 90 minutes last night. Hardcore, in depth, like jam packed. Ton of information in that.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Like I think that I could have gone four hours if I wanted to spread that out.

[Terrell Lawan]

Out.

[Josh Pate]

Well, the only way we can do that is to do it every other day instead of every day. And the audience consumption rate says that's good because we get bulk majority of our engagement on replay traffic the next day anyway. So if we were trying to deliver that every night, we'd be delivering a watered down version of that. We wouldn't really be ever giving a hundred percent what we're capable of. It would just be like 75%, but a lot more of it. And really you would have just sold out for a paycheck anyway way. And if I was in dire straits, like maybe a network comes along. I've got to think about doing that for two or three years to set myself up financially. But if you're doing okay or better for yourself, I've said no every year to that stuff.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

What are your personal non negotiables? Like when you're thinking of, I'm doing just fine doing what I'm doing. Well to where you don't get that. That dangling carrot.

[Josh Pate]

I don't want to wear suits on air Fair. I don't.

[Terrell Lawan]

Bad news about locker room this year we're changing the wardrobe.

[Josh Pate]

Really?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Full suits on me.

[Josh Pate]

Is it a tear off at least?

[Terrell Lawan]

It's every other week. It's actually T shirts, T shirt suits.

[Josh Pate]

I got in a big fight about this with a local TV general manager one time. Because the way I. The way I started was like, he called me cold. Never met him. He said, hey, I run a local news affiliate, like an NBC affiliate. Do you want to do a late night college football show? Like, no one's going to watch it, but you'll be on tv, you'll get reps, hopefully you'll build something. And, and. But the non negotiable was, hey, man, if you're on my. If you're on my desk, you got to wear a suit. Which was fair. Like it's his platform. But I love the dude. Like, I still love him today. But we would argue back and forth because he was old school, he was from traditional news, and he's like, you cannot wear T shirts on TV and be taken seriously. And I said, I can't report on a triple homicide wearing a T shirt and be taken seriously. I can Talk about Alabama vs. Georgia Saturday in a T shirt. And I promise you, the audience we're trying to read will consume it just fine. So, hey, I'm on his dime, so I'm gonna do it his way. But as soon as we got to where we owned it and we controlled it, I said, I'm not. I'm not putting a suit on again.

[Terrell Lawan]

Not doing it.

[Josh Pate]

Like, unless. Unless I am working national championship coverage or something like that. Like, when I was with cbs, I'd go up to New York and do their inside college football show. I respect them. That's their show. I'll wear a suit, but on my stuff, I'm not wearing a suit. I don't want to have anybody touch creative control of the show. So I want to be executive producer of it and have full final say. I want to have personal relationships with the advertising partner instead of being told, hey, you're partnering with this brand because I want to present stuff that is authentic to the brand. So those are a few of the non negotiables, I guess. And to not have to touch anything other than college football.

[Will Compton]

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[Will Compton]

What is your. I guess we can save that for the Bud Light question. Oh, you got Nebraska in your college football playoff.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, man.

[Terrell Lawan]

Hold on.

[Will Compton]

Before you start talking, sorry, I just.

[Terrell Lawan]

Because I know we're gonna get to ball in a second. But I did hear a juicy story in our pre production meeting about you getting into the space of sports media where you went and you DM'd a company. It was a radio station.

[Josh Pate]

Yep.

[Terrell Lawan]

You went and got a job. You're kind of doing, you're, you're doing a little bit of work. You're kind of running stuff. Somebody gets hurt, car accident or something like that. And they're like, we gotta, we gotta thrust somebody into this, this and ends up being you. That goes on the station and they're like you were so great that they made you a mainstay on the show. Is there truth and validity to that dude?

[Josh Pate]

Well, there's a lot of truth. So it was just the guy had a cold. Car wreck sounds better though. So guy got in a car.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, I was told car wreck. I was actually told broken leg.

[Josh Pate]

I don't know if he made it. Honestly.

[Terrell Lawan]

He didn't have Nyquil. It was a bad deal. It was, it was a bad deal. I understand.

[Josh Pate]

So I'm working, I'd work construction down in Columbus, Georgia. I was in a fabric warehouse at this time time and I was listening to talk radio. Like I would listen to Colin Cowherd show every day. He was at ESPN radio.

[Terrell Lawan]

He's fantastic.

[Josh Pate]

Oh he would get me to lunch every day. Like, that's how I got myself to lunch. And then the afternoon, that was when like Rosillo and Scott Van Pelt had a show. It was really good stretch of radio. So I just listened to it all day, every day. And I'm telling myself, that's what I want to do. That's what I want to do. That's what I want to do. I'm also telling myself, I've got no way in. I've got no way in. I've got no way in. But I remember Saban had just gotten to Alabama. It was like the second year he was at Bama. He comes to Columbus, he does like a public speaking tour. 45 entry fee. I can't afford it. I buy my. I borrow money to get a ticket to go see Saban speak. And he talked about process oriented thinking. He talked a lot about how defining your goals, but then totally setting them aside and just focusing on the process, that's the key to success. And it's not like he was the first person I'd ever heard say that. He's the one who made it click for.

[Terrell Lawan]

For me.

[Josh Pate]

So I'm sitting there in that warehouse and I'm thinking, you know, he had also talked about doing an inventory of your time. Are you investing time or are you just spending time? Look at your typical day. What period of the day is being spent? You're not getting anything back from that that you could repurpose. So I figured out I was driving in my truck like an hour and a half every day to and from work, to and from class. So I decided the way I'm gonna take back some of my time is I'm gonna mute the radio. I'm not gonna listen to anything in the car. And I'm just going to simulate sports talk radio.

[Terrell Lawan]

Radio.

[Josh Pate]

So I just talked to my steering wheel. Hours and hours and hours and hours. I would just simulate. Like I would turn on the radio. Cowherd brings a segment in from break, mute it. I take over for him. And I had thousands upon thousands of hours over two or three years of doing that. To where I begged that radio producer, could you let me come in and observe? Finally, he lets me come in because I'd never seen live production happen before. So I sat in that studio like two months and one day, car crash, AKA dude gets sick five minutes before air time. He has no advance warning. He says, do you just want to hop on air today? It was the middle of college football season in the south it was an afternoon drive, caller based talk show. So I hopped on, just killed it. Great synergy, great chemistry. And the dude thought I had been doing it for a long time. After the show he was like, where did you say you've worked before? I said, well, I've actually never been on air before. However, I kind of do a version of this every day in my truck like a psychopath. So he never took me off air. And then you fast forward two years and that's when that news station GM hit me up. So then I go work local TV and then I start getting towards the end of a contract and like I'm seeing YouTube come of age. I'm seeing Facebook Live as a thing. I know where the industry is going. I see those Berlin walls coming down. I know that if you got Internet, unlike maybe five years prior, you could make it like you can make a career for yourself. They wouldn't let me do it because I was on an employment deal deal at the news station. And you can't be creating your own content. It's a breach of contract.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

So I let my contract run to the last day and they sit me down, general manager right there, news director right there. And they said, do we. We've been calling your bluff. Like you've been saying you're going to let your contract run out. We just thought you were BSing us for more money, which we don't have. So I was at, I was at 27,5 per year and that. No, I was at 30 per year. And they said, what are you gonna do? You really gonna leave? I said, yeah, I'm gonna leave. They said, what are you gonna do? I'm gonna start a YouTube channel. And they just laughed. Not even like a disrespectful laugh. Just like, oh, you poor thing, like you don't know what you're doing. Don't, don't screw your life up. They said, you can't monetize that. How are you gonna make money? Because no one was monetizing YouTube at the time. And I said, well, I think the industry is about to change pretty quickly. Like it's very obvious where viewership trends are going. Ad dollars will follow that. They didn't buy it. So I negotiated to stay with them as a 1099 independent contract factor, making like fractions of what I was making. And I was already making nothing. But the trade off I negotiated was give me the studio three nights a week to do my own show out of. And we agreed on that. So we launched the YouTube channel and we were doing a college football show. That's it right there. That's like a first version of it. Three nights a week out of the news station and it blew up. And in two years CBS called. So we've been here ever since.

[Terrell Lawan]

No.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. That is amazing.

[Terrell Lawan]

That's an incredible story. Story.

[Josh Pate]

It was a unique way to start doing it. Like that microphone's clearly not plugged in. I'm clearly wearing a lav mic. That's clear. That's clearly just an aesthetic I bought off Amazon.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

But yeah, that was a. That was a weird, weird way to do it. But it was, it was the only way I could do it. That's the only way I saw in.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's so interesting the way you bring up Nick Saban's conversation about the process.

[Josh Pate]

Yep.

[Terrell Lawan]

And a lot of people hear those conversations all the time about how you should handle your time, put your goals to a silver. Like that conversation takes place a lot in a kid's childhood. And as a young adult, I feel like something has to happen to you. Whether it's borrowing $45 and realizing I have to borrow $45 to go hear this person talk for it to finally like resonate with somebody. And I think that's just, that's just awesome that people who listen to this show, listen to other shows. They'll hear a bunch of nuggets all the time. But it takes a certain perception and you have to be going through something for it to really like, set inside your body.

[Josh Pate]

Dude. Something else happened to me. So when I was working in that fabric warehouse, this was all within a three month period. The, the whole Saban comes to town thing, like the same two or three month period. The guy who owned the fabric warehouse, name was David Rothschild. Ultra wealthy family, had made a fortune in textiles. Columbus is a textile, like an old mill town. So he was dying of cancer and he had always taken a liking to me. I'm working back in his warehouse. I don't see him that much except when he comes through there like once a day. But he'd always taken a liking to me. He would always catch up with me. I had not finished college at that point. And he would like nicely but very forcefully tell me, you're screwing your life up. Like you've got. You've got ability. He saw way more in me than I saw in myself. And so he promised me, like, if you'll. I'm going to die. Like, I am not going to see this through. But I will pay for your school if you'll get back in school. And like, simultaneous to that, the director of the communication department at Columbus State University is just hammering me via email. She doesn't know she's not related to me, she doesn't owe me that. But she's hitting me up saying, get back in school. Like, I'll get you back in school. We're gonna have a radio and TV program over here. You could do all the reps that you need over here. And so all that stuff happens over a three month period. And you realize, like, you've got to be a total and complete idiot not to see that there is something, slash, someone trying to kick you in the right direction. And so that all, like, that's what, it's over 10 years ago.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

But that's all a confluence of events. And like I always heard people say, right place, right time. I always question that. Like, I changed my thinking because of all this. I changed my thinking to where being in the right place is where you want to be so that eventually the right time finds you. I changed my thinking because of like that. It's just like I changed my thinking on hearing Saban say stuff like that. I used to hear it and I thought those statements were a dime a dozen. That's. That's like fortune cookie logic. Looks good on a bumper sticker. But it's coach speak. It's cliches. It's just people go into motivational speaking seminars near the airport and someone fooled them into buying a ticket. No, man, that stuff works. It's just hardly anyone applies it. Yeah, if you apply it, it works for everybody. That's the, that's the beauty of it. Doesn't matter if you want to get in this or you want to go, like, start a new insurance company and make a fortune over there. Like, if that's what you're called to do, you can do it. It's just not going to happen overnight. And it's a good thing it doesn't happen overnight or everyone would do it.

[Terrell Lawan]

It.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. When, when all this is happening around you, what do you feel like when you look back on it, what do you feel like you weren't seeing in yourself?

[Josh Pate]

I feel like the thing I appreciate the most looking back on it because I journaled a lot through this period. I never done that before, but I knew what I'm going through now. Like, I got evicted from my apartment. It was not, it was not a great time. It's. It turns out good, but it's not a good time. And I realized one Way or the other, I'm going to want a record of this. So, like, I journaled a lot of it and I look back on it now and the one thing I kept saying is I got no clue how this is going to turn out. I got no clue how I'm going to make this bill the next month. I got no clue here, no clue there. But, like, I know what I'm doing is worthwhile, and so I know if I'm right about this, what I'm experiencing is going to be so valuable for so many people. That's why I don't hesitate in telling the story a whole lot. It's certainly not bragging. You don't brag about getting evicted or anything, or being broke, but you brag that. You know, there are, there are kids who grow up dirt poor and they got like that caged animal syndrome their whole life. There are kids who grew up rich and it doesn't matter how many mistakes they make, because they'll always be set for life. There is like an ocean of tweeners out there. I was one of them. I was lower middle class, but, like, I was not worrying about where my next meal was going to come from as a kid. But I also wasn't set for life as a kid. And so you get out of high school and you don't know what you want to do. And then you're 20, then you're 22, then you're 24, you still really haven't made anything of yourself. You know, you've got potential, you know, you got talent, we all do, but you're just like floating. You're pissing away time, you're pissing away years of your life. And so like, I didn't really even start having that click till I'm like 30 years old. And I realized if I make something of myself, imagine how this, imagine how this plays to an audience of 22 year olds. Because I know forever there will be tweeners in life who are sitting out there and they, they just want something to light a fire under him. Well, what better than someone who can say, yeah, I was right there where you were like, if you're broke, you got no other option than to work or you're going to die. Like, you're not going anywhere if you're rich, whatever. But if you're a tweener, and that's like a huge population of the United States of America's youth at any given point, no one's really feeling sorry for you, but no one's Handing you a whole lot either that I told myself even at the time. Time, that's who I want to speak to one day. If I ever make it. That's who I want to speak to.

[Will Compton]

I love that. When what was going through your mind when CBS was starting to get on your. Your tail for, you know, launching. You had done your show on YouTube for two years, then you get picked up by CBS. What was the feeling like in your body and your mind when those phone calls are starting to happen?

[Josh Pate]

It's a little bit of. So it's validation. I mean, it's validation, number one, that someone noticed. It's validation that they were going to pay me $70,000 a year. Cause that's triple, maybe even quadruple what I was making at that point. I was making nothing at that point. Actually. YouTube has started to do okay, but still, like, there's a. There's a thing like when you play your first down in the NFL, you made it as a pro football player. They'll never be able to take it away from you. It doesn't matter if you get cut the next day. You played in the NFL, the first day someone pays you, a company pays you to talk about sports on air is a very surreal moment. Even if they're just paying you five bucks, it's a surreal moment because everybody in your life wants to do it. Like, everyone dreams of. Of holding one of those, like, big network microphones. And like, you're actually getting paid. You're on national tv. So there was that piece, but then also there's. All right, now it's time to go to work, and it's time to shake the tree. Like, we're going to find out really how. How well the root system is taken. Because you can't screw up. You're going to screw up, but you're thinking, this is a tightrope walk. You've been walking a tightrope five feet off the ground. The ground. You're going to be 500ft off the ground now, and a lot more people are going to see you, and you're going to be exposed in every way imaginable. There's going to be a lot of unfamiliar technical jargon. There's going to be, you know, a lot thinner air. You're going to rub elbows with a lot of people you grew up watching as a kid, and you better not have stars in your eyes. Like, you better work with them and talk to them on their level. Or if you're really what you think you are, you better be Able to walk in that setting and own the room. Like, how do you walk in there? I grew up watching these guys and listening to these guys. But do you have the presence of mind to set that aside at the door and walk in there and own your craft so thoroughly that when you look at them, like, you're getting respect back from them? Because, like, as a man, you know, when you do and don't have someone's respect. And so that's kind of some of the stuff I was thinking about. And then also thinking, I think I'm prepared for this, but I know there's so much I'm unprepared for. Let's go do it anyway. Then you start doing it. Then Covid happens two months later. Yeah, that whole year. That whole year you were talking about it on your side. Imagine on my side. I moved to Nashville. You remember the tornado came through?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Hit our building. That's the first two months I'm here. Covid happens shortly thereafter. Like, later that month is really when you start shutting down. And I always say this, and it sounds so bad, so I have to, like, really carefully preface it.

[Terrell Lawan]

It.

[Josh Pate]

Covid was terrible for a lot of people, and a lot of people lost family members. Like, it was a real serious deal, professionally speaking. It was the biggest blessing I could ever have that it happened when it happened, because I came here and then things shut down. And Shannon Terry, who was running 247 sports, but that had been acquired by CBS. So, like, I'm working for him. I'm working out of his building. He said, I'm going to get you emergency access to this building. No one's going to be here for I don't know how long long. No one's gonna bother you. Just do what you think you need to do. And so we got, like, six months of doing the show our way on CBS's platforms with no corporate interference. And by the time people slowly started to come back and by the time, like, the executive types started seeing it, it was already making money. It had already scaled.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

So they never even had time to. I'm not saying they would have, but they never had time or a reason to step in and try to change this or turn that knob or, you know, course correct at 20 degrees. It was already proven. By the time Covid had ended, it was already proven. So we were good to go at that point.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Yeah. There's got to be a good feeling to be like, all right, I get to kind of just run with this thing. No one's expecting anything to work out anyway because we're in the middle of like Covid. And then by the time it gets there, it's like, yeah, there's no, there's nothing to critique because if you're in there with everybody else, there's a chance that executives are going to bring you into a room, be like, hey, maybe change this, maybe do that. Now you're second guessing yourself. But it's your creative process, so you don't want that deal hole get messed up. So there's all these things that could different variables to mess you up in that process. Yeah, that's a massive win.

[Josh Pate]

Well, think about this. So you're in the exact same seat that I'm about to talk about. What you're doing right now, you're creating jobs for untold hundreds to thousands of people down the road because companies watch what you're doing and you've massively scaled a product. You're doing it totally your way, like it's authentically yours. Everything's yours. So you've got pop, you got proof of performance. There's no questioning whether this works. There will be companies, there will be private equity firms, there'll be huge money that gets redirected towards trying to duplicate what you're doing and giving people jobs and putting them behind microphones they otherwise wouldn't have been behind. Now at that point, they either sink or swim on their own. But you created an opportunity for someone. I was thinking that, like, I still think that today, but I was thinking that, okay, CBS has kind of made me the test pilot program like big networks at five years ago, they're not really in the business of going and finding some guy on YouTube and putting him in their chair. They're in the business of we're going to find someone who's already proven or we're going to take former players, coaches. Like it's a really tried and true formula. We've done this for 100 years, so I get my shot. I'm thinking, yeah, this is big for me, but they're like 100, 200, 500 other guys out there who may or may not ever get a life changing opportunity based on whether I make this work or not. And that was a really huge deal. Like that's, that's part of legacy. That's part of something that extends well beyond yourself. And I like, I think about that stuff every day.

[Terrell Lawan]

Covid is such an interesting time because I feel like the media changed in so many ways. You're bringing up the suits earlier and Like I was with CA as my agents for football and I went to la, I saw like their Death Star, that's what they call it. And in the music department, nobody wears suits. Because at one point in like the 60s, 70s or 80s, whenever it was a band came in that everyone wanted to rep, they came into CA and they were like, you guys are all suits. We can't trust you guys, blah, blah, blah. You guys don't know the brand, you don't know the influence. You're going to try to change us. The next day they had a meeting, a company wide meeting saying no one wears suits in the music department anymore because we need these people to know that we're here for them. And then you go Fast forward to 2020, you see Pat McAfee start taking off, you see these other podcasts start taking off. You're taking off. It feels to me me like the suits of the mainstream society, of mainstream sports media is slowly going away. And the Pat McAfee tank top kind of process is now taking over a little bit. So do you see that happening with espn, CBS and all these other major corporations in the future?

[Josh Pate]

100 McAfee's like Roger Bannister, basically. Roger Bannister up until the point he ran the sub 4 minute mile lived in a world where people thought, oh, it's humanly impossible.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

So up until McAfee gets put on ESPN, even when he was independent, people would have told you, oh, you can't do that stuff on ESPN though. Well, you always could. It's just someone had to do it. Cause once Roger bannister ran the sub 4 minute mile, then a bunch of other people ran us up four minutes.

[Will Compton]

It was like 50 people, like 70 the next year broke four minutes.

[Josh Pate]

Question becomes, did they all just become capable of doing it? Cause Roger did it or were a bunch of people capable of it and just had to see it happen, happen. So similarly, like, you've got to be an idiot to not have known that. All the while sports fans who are consuming content are sitting at home looking a whole lot more like that than they are wearing a suit.

[Terrell Lawan]

They probably don't look that good. That's a, that's a, that's a very.

[Josh Pate]

Nice guy back there holding the bow, Nick Simon. Yeah, but like the point is again, who are you stacking your show for?

[Terrell Lawan]

Right?

[Josh Pate]

For a long time. Suits, if you want to call them that, just people at the executive level. People with seven figure earnings and golden parachutes. If they fail, they have formatted their content for themselves. In lieu of knowing it doesn't matter what we present, they'll consume it because there are no other options. Well, bad news for them when digital media came of age is, well, now there are options. Fully on demand world. That's the beauty of what you do. It's the beauty of what I do. The audience is in full control. Like you have never accidentally gotten a viewer. Every viewer has intentionally sought out your video, sought out your social feed, sought out your podcast. Same with me. If you're on network tv, you may see me. Because you're in an airport, you may just see me. Cause you're in a barbershop I happen to be on. And so for a long time they didn't really have true feedback. What they were doing was working. Cause there was no competition in the marketplace. Now there's competition in the marketplace and magically you're willing to bend on things like on air wardrobe. And you know, people who don't watch sports may say, do you really think that's why Pat McAfee works? Because of what he wears? No, what he wears is authentic to himself. And that's why it works. The same as you, the same as me. It's just that 15 years ago you weren't allowed to present it that way because someone who really didn't know the audience, but owned the keys to the audience controlled that and now they don't. And you find out it really never mattered what you were on air to begin with.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Great reminder for everybody tuning in right now to subscribe to Bustin with the Boys as you are watching and continue. You don't have to exert energy. You don't have to run a four minute mile. Just take your thumbs up thumb, hit that subscribe button.

[Terrell Lawan]

Just hit the button.

[Will Compton]

I love that you brought up the, the Roger Bannister analogy. I feel like I heard that from Tony Robbins like back in college. Go take a piss, buddy.

[Terrell Lawan]

I'm enjoying it so much.

[Will Compton]

I will say he had to pee last night on his show and he had about an hour left, but he was going to fight through for the betterment of the audience.

[Josh Pate]

Dude, I pushed just then we'll push.

[Will Compton]

I was just gonna, you know, give me a water to let you know I consumed your show.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. You done? That was before or after the Nebraska prediction? Prediction. I feel like that was after.

[Will Compton]

No, that was before this.

[Terrell Lawan]

Before.

[Will Compton]

Okay. I was, you know, not to flex, but I was in my weight room.

[Terrell Lawan]

Is now the time to get into football or should we kind of save that for the locker Room because pate's going to be on every week during the football season.

[Will Compton]

But there will be some things that we can, some headlines we can talk about. But for everybody watching our new show, the Locker Room with college football with this trio right here, this three headed monster will kick off Wednesday evening where we will be going over all of our futures for the college football.

[Josh Pate]

I feel like it's worth the clout.

[Terrell Lawan]

Absolutely. Okay, my water just got here. Hey.

[Will Compton]

People didn't see this coming.

[Josh Pate]

No, they didn't.

[Will Compton]

Haters are swinging at the air right now.

[Josh Pate]

Dude, they're, they're scrambling it.

[Terrell Lawan]

They did it again.

[Josh Pate]

They're scrambling.

[Will Compton]

They're scrambling right now. Is, is there. I like, dude, I've, I've enjoyed all this conversation and I love your thought process and I, I was, I wanted to interrupt you but I feel like everything you explained about what you were feeling to when you were getting up in the big leagues, the cbs, the, the MIA who I say I am, all of those feelings, all of those processes right there is what we are explaining is I feel like a similar experience that you're explaining walking out into a college stadium or an NFL stadium without the. Just the theatrics and the adrenaline dump. Aside from the adrenaline dump and everything else, that thought process of caring so much about what you do and how hard you work at it and having so much perspective on how you got where you are and hey, am I who I think I am? I'm gonna. There's some I don't knows and some question marks but I'm willing to jump and go after it. With competition, with everything else around, that right there is a mentality that gives, I feel like the anxieties of everything you do. Whether you walk out into a stadium or you're just elevating at your next job or going into your big league. So without the stage and everything else, I feel like that is a very similar feeling that every competitor has when like walking out into the are arena.

[Josh Pate]

That's the, that's the competition. Like that's, it's, it's not. Do I get more views than the other dude. That's how I think you define competition.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Yeah. It's like that. Yeah. Everything you were kind of walking through when you got that call, am I this I'm going to be in, Am I going to own the room? I'm going to feel this way. Can I put my ego at the door because I'm be lined up across from so and so or I'm going to be Talking on the desk with so and so. I feel like all of it is the same mentality because you. You care so much about your success or your version of success in your world. So I feel like that is. That is the. That is the bridging of the gap between the normal person and them. Seeing somebody at some high level doing it, it's like, no, your. Yours can be there too. It's just how much you're pouring into that process. So when that big break does come, just know that is the feeling that everybody feels of jumping into something they're very uncomfortable about.

[Josh Pate]

That's. But when the big break happens, the awesome thing is when you get wired that way. The big break is when you're a kid, you envision it. Whatever is going to come of your life when the big things happen, happen. There's confetti, there's parties, there's slaps on the back. And then when you actually wire yourself the way you have to be wired to even get the break, you're wired in such a way where you celebrate for 10 minutes.

[Will Compton]

Yes.

[Josh Pate]

And you just. Next.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Because it's not like unless you're selling a company and retiring, that's it.

[Josh Pate]

That's the difference.

[Terrell Lawan]

Once you get a. The big break, whether it's financially or you've.

[Will Compton]

You've placed one snap in the NFL.

[Terrell Lawan]

I paid one step in NFL, it's like you can celebrate. That is a perfect example. You can celebrate for five seconds because then there's the second coming right there. Yeah. But like, you get the job you wanted. You get the. You. You get the. Someone's like, hey, you can do this now. You get more money, whatever it is. That's exciting. But then now the work actually has to come in to. To prove whoever gave you the opportunity. Right. And that's where it's like, you really have no time.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

To go and sit there and be like, look how great I am. It's like you truly have to be on to the next thing. Then it's the whole. When do you reflect when you look in the rearview mirror and be like, okay, I was able to achieve all this. But then if you do that for too long now, you're losing what's in front of you. It's a very interesting game of balance that needs to take place because there always has to be gratitude. But if you're wired the way we are, it's like, hey, what is the next step towards the end goal? Which truly we don't know, which is actually dying? Like, you Just eventually die. And it's like, how do you do.

[Will Compton]

That's why I also appreciate you get up there.

[Terrell Lawan]

And he pulls out the scroll and he's like, like, let's take a look. Not bad. Could have done better here, though.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

You know, that's why I also appreciated going over the parts where you've said no to. A lot of people are said no to some things because I think another thing that successful people or achievers have a hard time doing of getting the goalpost to stop moving when you know what I am doing is enough. And I know, hey, not that you're relaxed. I'm just going to be doing this forever. But this doesn't necessarily tie to what I want to do with my audience or what I want to do in the future. And you're. You're able to say, say no to those people, which probably makes you. It does make you more valuable because I'm sure those numbers go up and they're trying to dangle a beer carrot. One day there'll probably be a character where you can't say no to.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's a big ass carrot.

[Will Compton]

Maybe it's the commissioner of college football.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. Or maybe you just grow the garden.

[Will Compton]

Maybe you just grow the garden.

[Josh Pate]

Hey, yeah, maybe we feed everybody.

[Terrell Lawan]

I like that.

[Will Compton]

Hey, I saw.

[Terrell Lawan]

Maybe you just grow the garden.

[Will Compton]

A. I saw one. I want to say it was like a stoic meditation. It was like, he who chases two rabbits stays hungry. Why not grow the carrots?

[Josh Pate]

Sounds easy. Sounds easy.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. Yeah. Sounds easy in theory.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

You know what? Let's just stop chasing. Let's just grow the garden.

[Josh Pate]

You know, they have like, when you turn down opportunities, though, there is almost like, who do you think you are?

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Like the audacity.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. How could you say no to us?

[Josh Pate]

And it's like. Well, I mean, do you understand the concept of alignment?

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Like how that works? I mean, would you. Would you put this show on your network? No. Why not? Well, because it doesn't fit our network work. You just described why I'm telling you no.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right?

[Josh Pate]

No hard feelings. Like, that's just why I'm telling you no.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, but the person who wants to put the square peg in the round hole, dude, it's. It's very difficult when you don't have a whole lot and you're just constantly wanting success and you think more is better as opposed to quality over quantity.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

So it's just, It's a game, man. It's a game of knowing who you are. And if somebody like you, who doesn't know who they are as much as they do. It's like you probably fall into that trap more times than once.

[Josh Pate]

If you're listening right now. Okay, if you're watching this right now, now that's. That's. Subscribe. Absolutely. Subscribe.

[Terrell Lawan]

Subscribe.

[Josh Pate]

Okay. What are you doing here if you haven't.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

This is the simplest question. Ask yourself, who am I? This is like, this is a mind bender for a lot of people because they will say they'll give you their name or they'll give you their skin color or their height and weight or their hometown. That's not who you are. That's the stuff on your driver's license. Who are you? Like, dig the dagger into your chest, cut yourself open. Who are you?

[Terrell Lawan]

You.

[Josh Pate]

What are your talents? What are your passions? What are your likes and dislikes? What do you cut out to do? Like, what is your purpose? All that stuff. If you asked me that at 23, I would have just stammered. I know that someone asked me this. That's. I didn't have the answer. It's the same dude who asked me, why would anyone care what you have to say? He asked me, who are you? I didn't know how to answer that. Why would anyone care what you have to say? I didn't know how to answer that. Which just meant I wasn't ready yet. Which just meant you got years that you still have to put in. Didn't want to hear that at the time. I didn't accept it at the time, but it was a reality at the time. So it doesn't matter if you want to get in media or you want to build a trucking company. Like, who are you?

[Terrell Lawan]

How are you?

[Josh Pate]

How are you about to go anywhere? How are you about to build anything before you even lay the foundation? That stuff, it messed me up when the guy asked me that, those two questions, it messed me up so much. And now, like, years later, I ask that to everybody. When I speak at colleges and stuff, I ask that to everybody.

[Will Compton]

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[Terrell Lawan]

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[Terrell Lawan]

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[Will Compton]

Going to be this year?

[Josh Pate]

So I feel like we're close enough to the season where a lot of people are going to start getting on the whole ooh, I just did my research. It looks like Matt Rule in Year three is a big deal. We've been saying that for a long.

[Terrell Lawan]

Time, since the minute he was hired. Say Year three is the year.

[Josh Pate]

I don't think that those people know that even Holgerson is the offensive coordinator, right? I don't think most people know that. I don't think most people understand. Yes, just so I've got, I've got Dylan here, I've got Dana Holgerson here, and I just feel like that's about to happen this year year. And even though they lost Tony to Florida State, which is a move I still question, by the way, even though they lost him to Florida State, I feel like the defensive personnel will be good enough that the scaling of offensive production combined with what I think Is the most workable Big Ten schedule in the entire conference. There's a such a path to 10 and 2, and I think 10 and 2 gets them in. The question is. The question is.

[Will Compton]

Oh, God.

[Josh Pate]

The question is, who's ready not to follow that prediction? But, like, is anyone ready to top that prediction? That's what I came here to find out this morning slash early afternoon.

[Will Compton]

Hey, timeout. Now, just for a little context on Josh Pate. Starting the bar at 10 and 2, you were at eight wins. No, no.

[Terrell Lawan]

Not too long ago. No, it was nine and three. It was nine and three.

[Will Compton]

Oh, no, it wasn't.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yes, it was.

[Josh Pate]

Here's what happened.

[Terrell Lawan]

It happened a little over a month.

[Josh Pate]

Ago, and nothing in July matters.

[Terrell Lawan]

Nine and three? Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

July's vacation month. No one cares what happens in July. August is rubber to the road.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Fart in the wind.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. Influences from around the neighborhood have pushed me to 10 wins.

[Terrell Lawan]

I think it was nine and three losses coming from Ohio State, USC, and.

[Will Compton]

Michigan up William Nebraska.

[Josh Pate]

I am ready to predict. I am ready to back with my own money. Yep. That Nebraska will be better than six.

[Will Compton]

And six this year.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Could be seven wins. Could be 12 wins.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

As it turns out, it's 10 wins. Look, if you don't believe in Nebraska better than.

[Will Compton]

Hey. Because he was trying to. He was. He shot me. That clip being like. They never notice when you toss love out. Shame. I said better than six and six is love to you, Josh. He said that could mean 12 and.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh.

[Will Compton]

I said it could also mean 7.

[Terrell Lawan]

And 5, which is a floor for Nebraska this year.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. You think so?

[Terrell Lawan]

I think that is a. If you're a logical fan, you sit. If you end the season at 7 and 5, you think we've gotten better. We've gotten better. How is it 7 and 5? Look, I think that determines a lot of things. You can't be, like, blow getting blown out five times, but having slow, small wins. But if you go 7 and 5 after not making a bowl game since 2015 until 2024, you need to be proud of what your program is putting on putting out there.

[Josh Pate]

Do we agree with that?

[Will Compton]

No.

[Terrell Lawan]

Who's we?

[Will Compton]

Because nobody really does. But hang on. Before we go any farther, do you have Nebraska pegged at 7 and 5 this year?

[Terrell Lawan]

Year, I. That's a tough question. Let me have this conversation and then I'll give you my answer.

[Will Compton]

Because he's also trying to speak for logical Nebraska fans, which he absolutely nothing about.

[Terrell Lawan]

I am trying to speak for logical fandom.

[Josh Pate]

Right.

[Will Compton]

People Casuals who don't really follow Nebraska ball.

[Josh Pate]

So the under, you're just on the outside looking in.

[Terrell Lawan]

I think the far more you look into Nebraska football, the more you'd be like, yeah, they should be proud of 7 to 5.

[Will Compton]

And to follow up on your 10 and 2, now where you were, I replied to you and said, eight plus are my foxhole guys. Those are the guys buying stock. Those are the guys that understand what's going on in the kitchen in Nebraska football. Are they, Willie C. 10 plus win level optimism, battling for a college football playoff spot. No, very few are. Very few have that kind of courage. But the ones seeing the field with eight plus are the ones I'm ready to go to war with. You said I can do eight. By August, I could see myself flirting with the nines. Now we're at 10 and you're saying, is anybody crazy enough to top 10?

[Josh Pate]

10? I'm not saying is anyone crazy enough. I'm asking, does anyone believe in Nebraska more than me?

[Terrell Lawan]

Is there.

[Will Compton]

You're sharing the bus with them. You're sharing a college football show with them.

[Josh Pate]

11.

[Will Compton]

I can see us going 11 and 1. Yes.

[Josh Pate]

Okay. You want to go.

[Will Compton]

You want me to go over to the schedule?

[Josh Pate]

I'd love this because it's all on record. So, yes, I'd love this. This is my Christmas present to myself in December.

[Will Compton]

So I have us at 10 and 2, but I believe easily that we can go 11 and 1.

[Josh Pate]

Okay.

[Terrell Lawan]

At least before Will starts, I have to deal with this.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Four times a year, starting middle of January. It's probably the first time this happens. Then it'll be like April, then June, July, and then right before the season. Season, go ahead.

[Will Compton]

I don't feel like I shoved Nebraska football down your throat like I could. Then calm, cool, calm, collected. Because I know what's brewing. But I digress. Nebraska, Cincinnati, that's one. Where we set the tone for the season. That's one and oh, Akron, two and oh, hcu. School of the Blind.

[Josh Pate]

HCU is.

[Will Compton]

What was that? Houston Christian University.

[Josh Pate]

Never heard of her. All right, so that's three and up.

[Will Compton]

That's three and. Okay, Michigan. I got us taken down. Michigan, to me, that's the. That's the game where it's like, who the fuck are we going to be this year?

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. No, I agree with you.

[Will Compton]

And I think in Lincoln, Nebraska, Nebraska beats Michigan. Michigan State. I think we win. And here is where I have our first loss, either at Maryland or at Minnesota. Not because they are better than us. We are the more superior team, I think when you start to get. Can you scroll? What is that? Six and oh before Maryland?

[Josh Pate]

Six and oh, yeah.

[Will Compton]

We're in uncharted territories where you don't know how we're going to handle this success because the moment we beat the Wolverines, we're going to be catapulted up. You're going to be on your show talking about the power rankings, how we're going to be like a top 10 school.

[Josh Pate]

Bye week, though.

[Will Compton]

You're talking about before.

[Josh Pate]

No, after. You beat Michigan. Thoroughly.

[Will Compton]

But that's what I'm saying. You're going through this world of roulet and Kool Aid to where. How are the boys going to handle this? And this could be a challenging clip because I know when we are six and oh and we're going to go out to Maryland or the Fleck bank in Minnesota. Everybody knows how weird that gets out there, but he runs a solid program. We could. I could see us dropping one because we've gotten too big for our britches, which gives it. Which honestly is great timing because then you beat the piss out of Northwestern and those nerds and then you host USC at Nebraska and USC is a good team this year and I think we need all the fucking piss and vinegar we need. I would rather have us sitting at the.

[Terrell Lawan]

That.

[Will Compton]

What is that, 7181 with USC coming in with that little ego. Check them being absolutely undefeated up until USC comes in. Because I think USC is going to be a tough team. And we would have whooped their ass if the ref would have thrown a flag last year on that pass interference call late in the game. We beat usc. We handle UCLA because they beat us last year at our home spot and they should not have beat us. And I think we're going to get a bad taste out of our mouths with ucla. We're going to be motivated. Then you go in. That's going to be. Look, if we're undefeated at Penn State or one lost team at Penn State, we're talking all of it. Big noon kickoff, college game day. What's your fall tour called?

[Josh Pate]

The fall don't lie tour.

[Will Compton]

Default don't lie tour. What's our. What's going to be ours? The boys of the fall tour. Everyone's gonna be.

[Terrell Lawan]

Well, we're not going to 3 Nebraska.

[Will Compton]

At Penn State for probably a whiteout. 1 verse 2, 1v2. We dropped that one against Penn State. That's where I'll take my realism. You know, where I'm riding. I got us 120 personally. But if I'm gonna have some realism in this take. We drop against Penn State. That's where I see us being a two loss team. Then we handle and beat the absolute shit out of fucking the Iowa Hawk guys. Because we need it. You want to know the last time, you know the last time they won or we won at home against Iowa 2011, when Willie C. Was operating. Iowa comes to Nebraska, we close that one out at home and we go 10 and 2 on the outside looking in because I think it's going to be Penn State, Oregon in the Big Ten championship and we're going to be positioned beautifully for the College Football Playoff. That's my, that's my season of the of Nebraska.

[Josh Pate]

Where's Clone? Are you right there? All right. So have you seen the movie Tremors before?

[Will Compton]

Oh, great movie.

[Josh Pate]

Great movie. Yeah. So you, you just stand on it. So you just played the worm. That's basically what you played. What I wanted to do and I told Clump this what I wanted to do is plant my flag early today. I came in with strategy and what I wanted to do is at the end of that movie when they throw the dynamite stick behind the worm to piss it off and get it to go hard at the edge of the cliff and then he just tunnels, tunnels, tunnels through the edge of the cliff and it flies down to the bottom. It splatters all over the place. I either want you to be a legend, to end all legends and this to happen, or I am playing this on loop in December because no one will remember my busted 10 and 2 prediction once. You've just done this for the past five minutes, but I'm with you. I agree with you with the Penn State, Oregon. I agree with you that Nebraska is positioned well. I just, I didn't like sweat like a Baptist preacher and yell emphatically when I said it. So like I've got no lose situation here. I feel like either they come through, which we're all happy, almost all of us are happy, or, or they don't. And then you're the face of it.

[Will Compton]

I can live in that world. Yeah, I've been in that world. But I'll tell you this. I've never been more confident than I am this year.

[Josh Pate]

I think they can do it.

[Will Compton]

Jp. JP Knows what I'm talking about.

[Terrell Lawan]

Beautifully said.

[Will Compton]

How do you feel about that?

[Josh Pate]

I. I like 10 to 2. That's what I have him going, going 10 and 2 college football playoff team.

[Will Compton]

Where do you see the drops? Where do you see the losses on that schedule.

[Josh Pate]

One of Ohio, so no, one of usc, Penn State. And then another random like you said. Isn't that what you said?

[Will Compton]

That's nine and three.

[Josh Pate]

No, no, no.

[Will Compton]

No.

[Josh Pate]

1 of USC or Penn State.

[Will Compton]

Okay.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. What a random.

[Will Compton]

So we drop against USC.

[Josh Pate]

You guys going into Penn State, one of Michigan. There's no skill in this. 10 and two. That's what they're doing. They're going 10 and two.

[Will Compton]

There is some skill.

[Terrell Lawan]

You think they beat Michigan? Michigan.

[Josh Pate]

I'd pick them to beat Michigan right now.

[Terrell Lawan]

Why?

[Josh Pate]

I think they're going to be a better football team than Michigan.

[Terrell Lawan]

Why?

[Josh Pate]

I like. I don't. This is just stalling.

[Terrell Lawan]

No, this is. This. Honestly, September 21st, when things go my way, I'm gonna have a hell of a time on the show.

[Josh Pate]

That's fine. So I feel like if the game were in November, I got almost a full year of Bryce Underwood. I'd feel a little bit better than. But he will have already gone into Oklahoma, so it's not like going on the road is going to be foreign to him. Yeah, I don't know. I just like the way the game profile is better for him. I should have brought my laptop in here. I could have modeled.

[Terrell Lawan]

You don't like Wink Martindale?

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, I like him.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

How could you not watch what he's done?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

You're going to put Ryle in a blender, aren't you? 19, 13, kind of.

[Terrell Lawan]

I didn't like how much he blitz in the beginning of the year. Last year I thought it was a little too chaotic, a little too crazy. I think he listens to the show. I think he got a whole lot better, a whole lot more tactical with the way he handled his exotic blitzes. He does a great job of hiding the shell. He does a great job of not letting you know where it's coming from. But he really fine tuned it going in the back half of the year. Obviously we had for the forward pass turned off last year, so it's very hard to evaluate where Michigan is. I know we ended with beating Ohio State and beating Alabama. So that's, that's a pretty good ending for a team that couldn't throw the ball at all. I think we had 110 yards throwing and both of those combined. It's. It's incredible. We go there in the spring, a lot of conversation obviously revolving on Bryce Underwood. Everyone really likes him. We got to see him play. I thought he was really impressive under the other than the one interception. He had a Nico, but a lot of guys are talking about the defense, how they're actually going to be better even though they've lost the two guys in the middle.

[Josh Pate]

I've heard that and I got to see it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. I mean, they played more than half the year without Will Johnson, the number one corner. They had a kind of a revolving door. They lost their safety to an acl. He'll be back. They have a lot of talent. Michigan, what I think have done it has a really good job of, is developing players, taking three stars, turning them into that five star. I think they've done a better job than probably any other team that I can think of right now. So when I think about if that defense is better, if that defense is better and Bryce Underwood is 75% of what people believe he can be, then I think absolutely, they stomp Nebraska. It's a double digit.

[Josh Pate]

That's double digit.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay. Yeah, I think it's 10 plus.

[Josh Pate]

I just think you don't face a ton of offenses that can beat you in multiple ways up there. And Nebraska, if I'm right about, if I'm wrong about a moot point, if I'm right about them, they'll be one of those teams, but so will Oklahoma. So you will have already faced a team. If I'm right about those teams that are layered enough to beat you in several different ways, like you don't have one answer for them.

[Terrell Lawan]

In other words, we'll have, we'll all have a much better understanding of Michigan after week, after Oklahoma, after, after Oklahoma, it's like, do they win? Do they lose? I don't know. But how did the game. How does the game look? How do the. How does all 60 minutes, that game come together? How does Bryce Underwood handle adversity if he gets sacked a couple of times? Because that's the biggest question mark. Raiola. I love a Will sitting because he's got a guy that you can see getting better and better. I think it's a little disrespectful that I think the top 10 quarterbacks of college football came out and Raiola wasn't in it. I think he's a guy that could be sitting that nine or ten spot right now. But with Bryce, it's like potential. Potential we talked about in the intro of the show haven't done shit yet. So I really need to see what he does before I start planting a massive flag in the ground. I think you're, you're never counted out when you're playing. When you're with Michigan, never count. Especially seeing what they did last year with literally the inability to throw the forward pass because their offensive line is going to be a lot better this year. They got two running backs that can shove it down your throat. Yeah. Wide receivers that are willing to block, block. And then you got a defense who's hungry and swarms for the ball, has exotic blitzes that a lot of quarterbacks that don't necessarily know how to pick apart defense defenses is in college. They're going to be thrown a certain way. They're not going to really know what to do with certain zeros with the nickel coming when you don't see him coming. Flipping the protection, those types of things. Gritty wins again.

[Josh Pate]

Biggest game of the season. I've got. I've really just really been talked into the, like, external dynamics on this thing. Feeling like a playoff game.

[Terrell Lawan]

Nebraska.

[Josh Pate]

I'm emotionally invested in it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

I didn't walk into the season emotionally invested in it, but now I'm kind of emotionally invested in it. It's not just another game.

[Will Compton]

One of your. Your hinge games that you were going over.

[Josh Pate]

I. Yeah, probably.

[Will Compton]

I started to hit fast one like.

[Josh Pate]

Man, it probably should have made that list.

[Terrell Lawan]

When's he gonna start for me? What are you doing?

[Will Compton]

It was either going to be Nebraska, Michigan or Michigan. Oklahoma. Because I know you're big on Oklahoma. Oklahoma this year too.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Why is that? Because I heard in the early in the year, everyone's like, oklahoma's gonna have a really down year. They never seem to really get over the hump. This quarterback's supposed to be really good, but we don't know if Oklahoma is actually gonna be anything of substance.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Now we're getting close to the season and I don't know if it's like a draft stock thing where a guy is a tweet like, late first round, early second, then all of a sudden, hey, this guy could possibly be a top 10 pick. And then still ends up going late. First round, early second. Like, what is Oklahoma to you? Why is it all of a sudden. Why is their stock rising so much?

[Josh Pate]

Because they were never a fatally flawed team. They were a team with multiple top 10 classes stacked on top of each other. They portal consistently in the top 10. Like last year. Their fatal flaw was they horrifically failed at hiring at the OC position. And it was oil and water. And Jackson Arnold in that offense was dead on arrival. It was terrible. So it's the season thrown away. And so what people didn't even pay attention to is this isn't a terrible Team, not the terrible roster. It's a pretty good to high level roster with fatal flaw on it. That makes all the rest of it it irrelevant. So then they addressed the fatal flaw part one. They brought in OC and quarterback from the same place. Utah did the same thing, by the way. People aren't paying attention to that. So Mater comes in with his oc. The second thing they did was they attacked the portal. The one area they needed to attack the portal which was wide receiver. So they get a kid named Dion Burks back who should have been a star last year, transfer from Purdue, but he was hurt. So he's back this year, dog. Then the rest of the wide receiver room I think not only is filled out, but it's really complimentary. It's not like five of the same dude. So the one question I have about them that I'll be watching early in the season, specifically when they get tested against Michigan is are they as improved on the offensive line as they think? Because that was a real liability for him. They had like 10 different starting rotations last year in the first 10 weeks. If that's in place, I've. I've actually got very little doubt about Mater. I don't question him like I think he could contend for a Heisman Trophy. So I think he's going to play at that high A level defense, conservatively. Top 15 unit could be better than that.

[Terrell Lawan]

That.

[Josh Pate]

I just think people who are shocked when Oklahoma is good this year didn't really watch Oklahoma last year. They know the quarterback sucked or the quarterback offensive coordinator combo sucked. And the rest of it they just kind of tuned out. They watched it from 50,000ft.

[Terrell Lawan]

I watched him from. I watched him against South Carolina.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, that was a bad day. That was a bad day.

[Terrell Lawan]

Built to ass.

[Josh Pate]

That was the week after Carolina goes into Tuscaloosa and loses.

[Terrell Lawan]

I know they should have won that game too. We were in Oregon.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, they. They go in there and lose. And Beamer after his press conference, he's said, you know what? This is enough. It's just enough. And they go out to Oklahoma the next week. I think it was three pick sixes. They had. They had 21.

[Terrell Lawan]

Nuts.

[Josh Pate]

They had 21 on the board. And not an offensive point to speak of.

[Terrell Lawan]

Just crazy.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

You brought up a team and it is in your favorite conference, the Big 12, Utah. Not a lot of people talking about Utah. You think ASU takes. Well, I don't want to get into futures because. We'll talk about futures on the show. I'll say Right now I like asu, but talk to me about Utah.

[Josh Pate]

Well, Utah, everyone watched Whittingham win double digit games forever and then he had a down year last year. And people just, I don't know. I said this on our show last night. I feel like people have made an effort to forget about Utah after one down year. It's the Big 12. There's not a lot of difference in 10 and 2 and 5 and 7. It's like a bunch of one possession games. Bounce the ball goes against you. Injury for them went against them last year. So everyone's talking about Oklahoma going and getting a quarterback OC combo from the same school they did that. They went and got a kid named Devon Dampier out of New Mexico and brought in Beck, his offensive coordinator. So they basically imported an offense. And you don't have a quarterback learning on the fly elsewhere. It's still Utah. Like the roster is still Utah. They're going to, I mean they could take a stone and squeeze it and they get drops of water out of it. So they get every possible ounce of potential out of a roster. They always have. So either I'm supposed to believe Whittingham's entire career or I'm supposed to believe last year's the new Utah. And I don't believe last year is the new Utah because it's not like nil. And the portal has sunk its teeth into the Big 12 in the SEC and the Big Ten, they're fundamentally different conferences because of it. The Big 12, no one outside of Texas Tech, no one's spending a ton of money. Like no one's got huge roster churn. No one's got huge staff turnover. So the conference pretty much is what it was. Texas Tech's the one exception and I think they'll be a contender this year. But you look at, if you go to FanDuel right now and you look at the odds to win the Big 12, they don't look like any other conference. Every other conference has got a couple pretty high level favorites. Then there's some drop off tier two, drop off tier three, Kansas State, Utah, Texas Tech, Arizona State, Baylor, tcu, they have pretty much identical odds. You would have to go to the show me more function before you ever got down to someone who's plus 1500 odds, odds or lower. So that's the Big 12. Even FanDuel saying, yeah, we just threw these numbers out there. Like, go ahead, take your pick. If you think you know this conference better than we do, you look, you go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. They're eight teams deep before you get to plus 1500 odds. And that plus 1500 is Kansas, who with the healthy Jalen Daniels, could win the conference this year. They don't play their games in Arrowhead this year, by the way. Yeah, they actually have a home campus stadium. Him again this year. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

All right, Sherm.

[Will Compton]

You know, Sher was fired up about the big 12 talk.

[Terrell Lawan]

You brought up the nil. Ever since nil took an Nil took over, you see a massive jump in the Big Ten and national championships. Is that proof that the SEC was paying their players before Nil?

[Josh Pate]

No, the proof of the SEC paying players is that the SEC was paying their players. Like, it didn't need to be. People look at this as like a one track sort of scenario. Like, yeah, Nil came along. Here's what else happened. Nick Saban retired from Alabama. Like, Saban retiring in any era was going to fundamentally impact the death grip that the SEC had on college football. Because it wasn't the SEC that had a death grip. It was Alabama that had a death grip on college football led by Nick Saban. 10. We did our SEC preview on our show last night. And for all the talk about the depth and competitive balance, 10 of the last 11 SEC championships were either won by Bama or there's one exception. That's Burrow and LSU in 2019. Okay, so he retires. I'm not you. You could come back at me and say, but what if I told you he retired because of the way NIL was impacting the sport? You could have some validity there. I don't doubt that. But the point remains. If the NIL thing never changed and Saban retired, that would have fundamentally changed the sec. It would have fundamentally changed college football. It just so happens that a lot of that stuff overlap. Like, also somebody would come at me and say, hey, man, the expanded playoff, that's what's changed everything. Like, no, it hasn't. Nick Saban retiring was a bombshell. It was like an asteroid into the ocean of college football. So you either, you really do believe the guy was the greatest of all time and acknowledge what I'm saying has to be true, or you think he was a fraud because you can't think he was the greatest of all time but not acknowledge his retirement had to be a huge, like, monumental change to the sport.

[Terrell Lawan]

Wasn't he public about NIL as one of the bigger reasons why he retired?

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. No, I don't. Like, I've listened to him talk about it on and off the record, it was absolutely a reason he retired. But I would follow up with this. Let's say he chose to stay at Alabama. Does anyone really think Alabama is going to fall off a cliff? Like they were still going to compete. They weren't going to have three deep of future first round NFL talent. No one does. Kirby Dutton, Ryan Day doesn't. No one does. But that dude always found a way. Covid came around. Dude just pivoted on a dime. They dominated that year. That dude ran three different totally unique versions of offense in his time at Alabama. Like they won with tua, they won with Derrick Henry, they won with John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy at quarterback, they won. But Bryce Young at quarterback, they, they won with 260 pound middle linebackers, they won with Rashawn Evans at Mike. They did all kinds of different things. So at every turn of his career, he adjusted. He would have adjusted to this. It's just he looked at it and said, said, I'm not sure that's the version of the game I want to coach anymore. Also, I'm in my 70s and I can go work at ESPN and get a raise to talk about football instead of just coaching it anymore.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, great points.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's a good point about the sec, but like Alabama having a chokehold on the sec. If Alabama is no longer there, does Georgia and LSU and all these other top tier SEC schools or do they go and win the national championship?

[Josh Pate]

You're talking about if they had.

[Terrell Lawan]

This is it, this is it. If like right, we're taking Alabama off the face.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, yeah. Or just making them another pretty good program. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I really don't know. I think about, I mean I go back and think about like the Mark Rick, Georgia teams, the Les Miles, LSU teams, those teams, those guys legacy were fundamentally changed because of Nick Saban. If Saban's not at the sec, first off, Urban probably stays at Florida longer than he did and he may rattle off three or four titles. But Mark Richt probably wins one at Georgia. Les Miles. If not for Alabama, he's got the best team in the league most years in those early 20 teens sort of period. So I think back about a number of guys and how, I mean, you can't prove it, you can't prove a counterfactual. But you never know like whose career would have taken off because then Kirby's. If Saban doesn't take off at Alabama. What? Kirby Smart.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Don't know.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

You feel like Alabama the way remind Me of the head coach, Utah again, Kyle Whittingham. You feel like Deborah is in a similar situation or it's like the feeling around Bama is Alabama has a down year and all we've done is watch deboer double digit wins throughout his entire career.

[Josh Pate]

To a certain extent, yes. I think the difference with that is there's a huge portion of the public that actively wants Alabama to lose. I don't think there's a large portion of the public that hates Utah. They just don't really. They're indifferent. So they've chosen. Like, I think it's a lot easier to root for Kenny Dillingham. Kenny's an awesome dude.

[Will Compton]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

It's really. It's really fun to say, like I love what they got going on at Arizona State or I love, like I love Iowa State. I love the colors. The mascot's a tornado. They check all the boxes for me. Texas Tech just spend a ton in nil. So it's a. It's a lot more FL to root for them. Utah's really meat and potatoes, which doesn't really sell. It's not all that sexy. So I think that people have forgotten about maybe them just cause Utah was never at the forefront of their mind. Utah had to elbow their way into your line of sight every year. No one ever focuses on Utah. They make you focus on them at Alabama. I mean, there are a hundred different reasons why people want deboard to fail. Unless you're a Bama fan. Most of America wants him to fail. They want Bama to fail. Think about. About at any given point, like you said, when Saban's in Alabama, your one ray of hope in the SEC is this dude's a little bit older, so he's going to retire eventually.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

And you always told yourself Bama was bad before he got there. So it hasn't been a Bama thing. It's been a Saban thing. And once he leaves, Bama will revert back. Plus there's going to be a whole generation of entitled fans who don't know reality. They don't know what losing's like. They'll be paranoid. They'll run the next coach out of town. The biggest nightmare. The biggest nightmare. Yeah. For any non sec fan or non Bama fan. If we clip this later here, I'll just do this cleanly. The biggest nightmare for any non Bama fan has been Saban era ends. You breathe a sigh of relief and somehow they find a replacement that meets that standard again. Because it's not supposed to be possible.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

So if he comes in there and wins and DeBoer's, what, in like his early 50s or something like that, that then what do you do?

[Terrell Lawan]

You got 20 more years of hell.

[Josh Pate]

I was down there over the weekend. I wouldn't watch them scrimmage. This is one of the more physical scrimmages I've ever seen.

[Terrell Lawan]

They, they, they're built different, dude. They got after different group of cats.

[Josh Pate]

They got after it. That was more physical than a lot of the games you go to in the fall. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Which brings you back to Michigan.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

You can beat them two times in a row. Physical ball club.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

I don't know.

[Will Compton]

I'm not like the Alabama haters.

[Josh Pate]

Wait, have you.

[Will Compton]

I feel like Alabama hasn't been like people talk about Georgia. Like, I feel like they're not in the conversation as much as much. And they went nine and three last year and I feel like just understanding, you know what happens when you're just absolutely superior and a coach has a, you know, not up to expectation year. Then it's like if they had another nine and three year, God forbid, eight for four. Eight and four. It's like, are they going to be calling for a divorce? No.

[Josh Pate]

They were would, right? They would. There's no doubt about that. It's.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's.

[Josh Pate]

You can think whatever you want to about it, but you don't get to take over that job at the level it was handed off to him and have two down years. The thing about replacing a legend, I sat in his office and talked to him about this for like two hours in the spring. He's absolutely wired the way you have to be wired to work at Alabama Post saving. Because he doesn't care about the whole no one wants to take over after election legend. What he cared about is, is everything operational at the level it needs to be. Because if it is, like, he would never say this, but here's how he thinks. Because a 1 percenter thinks this way. They know Saban was great, but a 1 percenter looks in the mirror every morning and says, I'm pretty good too. Like, I think I'm really good too. I think I may be the best in the game too. And if I'm being given what I need to win, I'm going to win. I don't care who was the boss here before. I was the trade off on that. The reason it's really so hard to replace a legend mentioned is because it's hard to win at a high level, period. But especially like if you look at the legends in college football, very few of them retired at their apex. Most of them hung around several years too long. So you were taking over a program that was trending downwards, but the expectations were still sky high and no one had time for a rebuild. No one wanted to listen to you say, I just took over for a legend. But we got to start from scratch. Well, DeBoer walked in. I mean, Saban had just gone to the playoffs in overtime against Michigan. Like that's when he said, all right, I'm out. So they got a loaded roster. They've, I mean administratively, like they're about as good as anyone. Got one of the best ads in the country. So like organizationally, everything's where you need it. He hands them a world class recruiting and personnel department. They kept a lot of those people, a lot of those, A lot of the saving people are still there. He infused some of his folks, but he wasn't ignorant enough to say, I think I'm just going to bring Washington down to Tuscaloosa. Like he kept a fair amount of mixture of the two. But you go into year two and all that sounds good. Yeah, you got to win. You go eight and four again, there's no defending that. You play a tough schedule. But yet I watched them Saturday. There aren't many rosters that look like that. There aren't many coaching staffs that are built like that. So 12 Saturdays in the fall, that's when you get judged. It's totally fair.

[Terrell Lawan]

Get you so juiced up for this year.

[Will Compton]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

Okay?

[Terrell Lawan]

Ohio State, they're not all that, are they? Think about their defense. They lose. I'm having everybody except for two. Yeah, I mean they're obviously going to reload completely at the wide receiver position there. A wide receiver. You essentially quarterback. Unproven Ryan Day. Yippee.

[Josh Pate]

Wait, what does that mean?

[Terrell Lawan]

You know the. Yep.

[Josh Pate]

Oh, yeah. Okay.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

I thought you Weird celebration for no. Okay, yippee.

[Terrell Lawan]

No.

[Josh Pate]

He yips.

[Terrell Lawan]

Versus Michigan. Like, talk to me, talk to me. How are we feeling about Columbus?

[Josh Pate]

All right. It's ironic they open against Texas. Cause the two teams that I'm having trouble with are Texas and Ohio State. Only because them replacing production is not like a normal team replacing production. Because when you go watch them practice, like when I go watch teams practice, I will stand with a player personnel guy who knows the roster entirely and all I'll do is say who is that? Who is that? Who is that? Give me his story. Give me his story and I'll ask about twos. I don't ask about the starters. You know the starters. I'll ask about Twos and threes. And at Texas and Ohio State, it's constantly, yeah, that dude. To start everywhere else. That gotta be a future first rounder for us. And they're running with the twos and the threes. So like, okay, you put that in the back of your mind and then, you know, once they send 13, 14, 15 to the draft, the twos become the ones, the threes become the twos, yada, yada, yada. You don't know their names. But not every new starter is created equal in the sport. Texas and Ohio State have aliens on their bench. Doesn't mean anything. It doesn't guarantee that they're going to produce. But you just like, there's a benefit of the doubt. You bake in. And I've done it with them. I did it with saving at bam. I do it with Kirby. I do it with Sark. I do it with Lanning. I'll do it with him, too. To where? If you think they're good enough, if they meet the standard it takes to start for you, I trust them. May not be as good as last year's team. Maybe some of those guys, raw talent levels better than last year's team. And the experience levels, not there. Those two teams. It's so important not to draw definitive conclusions after week one. Like Penn State. You can draw conclusions after week one. You've seen all those players, they added some wide receiver help. Let's see what they are at tight end. But largely like Penn State's going to be who they are. Ohio State and Texas should look a ton different in November. Like when you play. Do you really think Ohio State goes to Ann Arbor last week of November? It's just going to be like a copy and paste of week one in Columbus. There's no way that's the case.

[Terrell Lawan]

No, I mean, there's so many different variables. Injuries, all sorts of different things.

[Josh Pate]

Even if they're healthy, different jersey, even if. Yeah, true. Even if they went wire to wire healthy, which will never happen. I would love to see how different that team looks in week. What is that, 14 this year? Two by weeks. Yeah, I'd love to see how different they look. Not to mention there will be injury.

[Terrell Lawan]

Always. God, I'm really looking forward to the Texas Ohio State game. I'm. I'm excited just like every other person is to see Arch Manning. Is he really what everyone says he is? Seems like he has the right head on his shoulders. You know, he had a little press conference the other day talking about doing shots. He's like I'm 21. I can do a shot like, oh, he's got a little personality to him. He's got that Manning pizzazz, you know, it's just like, is he gonna be that guy? But do you. That's a lot of pressure.

[Josh Pate]

Do you like what. So if someone were to say, let's do the three of us here, someone tells you in 10 seconds, give me your expectations for Arch Manning this year.

[Will Compton]

Go great Heisman candidate.

[Terrell Lawan]

Go Heisman candidate. Possible national champion.

[Josh Pate]

I think he's going to be a fringe Heisman candidate. He's going to be a pretty good to really good quarterback. So I stopped short of the whole hyping him up to be elite. Hyping him up to be the Heisman favorite only. Cause people do that all the time to college players. And then it gets to December and let's say I. Let's say I think Arch is the best quarterback in the country. I pick him to win the Heisman. He's the fourth best quarterback in the country this year. What happens in sports media land is no one looks at that kid in December and says, well, he played the way he was going to play. I'm the. I'm the dude who screwed up. I'm the dude who overhyped him. No one does that. No one ever looks in the mirror. They look at the kid and say, you were a bust.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

But Arch Manning hasn't set an expectation for himself. Arch Manning hasn't made a prediction on himself. People who write for a living or talk for a living have. So, like, the way I do it with all these new starters is I assume that dude, there's a very high floor for him. But my expectation for him is I think you're going to be pretty good to really good. Anything above and beyond that is just gravy for me. You're playing for Texas. You shouldn't have to be an elite quarterback to win at Texas. If you are, they'll remember you for a long time. You could have an iconic season loading all that. But I think he's going to be pretty good to really good. I think there'll be inconsistencies. He's human. They're going to. There's going to be a game randomly where he throws two picks before halftime. And people are going to say, sorry, do you have to think about maybe making a change? No, you don't make a change in the third quarter. This is. This is real life. Yeah, you got. He's got to go to Columbus, Gainesville and Athens before they even play OU in Dallas. I think like his four toughest games are away from Austin. That stuff's not easy, right?

[Terrell Lawan]

Kind of a soft take though. Just kind of making it easy, right?

[Josh Pate]

I'm making it easy on him. I'm making it easy.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Kind of a cop out.

[Terrell Lawan]

What do you guys think?

[Will Compton]

Pretty good.

[Terrell Lawan]

And above Heisman national champion. I think he should be good to pretty good.

[Josh Pate]

Good to pretty good. Anything above and beyond that.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, anyone can say that.

[Josh Pate]

But I picked Mater to win the Heisman. Yeah, that's a. That's a.

[Terrell Lawan]

You think he's going to play the whole season without getting suspended?

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. I'm comfortable. He put a statement out.

[Terrell Lawan]

Statements.

[Josh Pate]

I mean, what more can you do?

[Terrell Lawan]

I'm sure he's. I'm sure he's a good kid and I'm sure he fucks around and messes his boys or whatever, but, you know.

[Josh Pate]

That hit home for me because I am still on my dad's cell phone plan. I've never gotten off of it. I pay him. I pay him every month, but I'm the same way. I've never come off my parents cell phone plan. And I'm nearly 40 years old, so.

[Will Compton]

I really am still in the family.

[Josh Pate]

I pay. I pay my dad via Venmo every month. If you were to look at the transaction, if I was dumb enough, excuse me, if I were inexperienced in life enough to have my transaction history on public, and you saw what I use as the description when I pay my dad for my cell phone bill, you would think we were running a Mexican drug cartel. And all I'm doing is paying my cell phone bill. So we're running a cartel like $115 at a time. But. So when he said, look, I've never been on sports in my life. It's just an inside joke between me and my buddies. He's probably lying, but I got it. I related to it because that's what I do.

[Terrell Lawan]

He's probably lying, but I got it.

[Will Compton]

Do we want to. Before we let Josh pay go, do we want to talk about the. The. The conclusion of the Michigan Wolverines? You said you wanted to do a little thing on it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. I want to know about what you think about my Wolverines. I want to get your true opinion about Bryce Underwood. If you've been able to watch him at practice.

[Josh Pate]

I have not been up there. Oh, I have not been able to watch Crazy. So I think it's gonna be pretty good to release.

[Terrell Lawan]

Good.

[Josh Pate]

That's where that's where I think he.

[Terrell Lawan]

Seems like a cat to me. Like even sitting here as a Michigan homer, like, the expectation is insane for this kid.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, he's the one. He's the one guy that he's fundamentally, he could transform the season for. Because if you think about it like, I think the same thing about Georgia's offensive line, the Michigan quarterback position. If they get A minus quarterback play when everyone's expecting question mark or C plus or B minus, it fundamentally changes their season and the season downstream of like 10 other teams.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

So I haven't been able to watch him though. So I don't know.

[Terrell Lawan]

Basically what you're saying is Michigan football.

[Josh Pate]

And everything just revolves around football. That's it.

[Will Compton]

Did they get a slap on the wrist for their the findings?

[Josh Pate]

I didn't get upset about this because I thought what happened was what was going to happen. Here's what I'll say. They alleged multiple Level 1 violations. When you were a kid, you were a kid, I was a kid. That means hammers dropping on your head, borderline death penalty, multi year postseason ban. All right. A lot of people out in Ohio State message board world allowed themselves to believe it was still 2003, and it's not. And so my whole philosophy, and I know this because I had a network executive explain it to me, I wasn't just guessing my way through it. They said, do you really think that we are paying billions of dollars to leagues which are just university presidents? That's what a league is. Those university presidents created the NCAA the same way that NFL owners created Roger Goodell's position so that he can take the heat and take the arrow so the owners don't have to. Well, university presidents created the NCAA and the enforcement arm and the investigation arm and the committee on Infractions. They own that like they created it. And that executive said, do you really think we're going to hand billions of dollars to university presidents only for those university presidents to voluntarily have an enforcement arm that punitively punishes one of the assets that we paid for to the point where fewer people watch it? That's not what we're in the business of doing. So they can fine them all they want to. They can give show causes all they want to. They're not getting a postseason ban. That was never on the table any. And people built it up in their minds and they said, well, look at what happened in previous worlds when level one violations were alleged. That's previous world. Billions were not on the table back then. Just merely millions. We're in billions land now no one's land. No one gets post season ban anymore.

[Terrell Lawan]

Big whale hunting is what we're doing around here. Yeah. So basically what you're saying is a lot of allegations. They did their investigation, realized we don't have a whole lot of footing to stand on.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

And so they slapped him with a $20 million fine, aka drop in the bucket and says, ron, you gotta suspend yourself for one more time game.

[Josh Pate]

And. And you just choose when it's going to be this year, next year, whatever.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, but this is us saving face.

[Josh Pate]

I do think it look. Yes. Yeah. What you said. Right.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay.

[Josh Pate]

I think we don't have to do anymore. No, I thought they were going to go retracting wins. I thought they were going to try and do. I never believe that matters.

[Terrell Lawan]

Which, by the way, is the dumbest thing.

[Josh Pate]

No, I've never believed it matters.

[Terrell Lawan]

We took your heism. Did you take his Heisman? Like he had his Heisman. He's got a photo with the Heisman. Oh, you don't get the Heisman anymore. Still got the photo. Photo.

[Josh Pate]

I said this on my show and a bunch of people said, oh, it matters a lot. I said, no, it doesn't. I was there. Like, I was there when you won the national championship. I stood there with J.J. mcCarthy on TV after the game. You can't tell me all of a sudden from Indianapolis Indiana at NCAA headquarters, hey, that experience you had, forget it. It didn't happen. So that never mattered to me. That's why I thought they'd do it. Because that's all window dressing. That's all aesthetic.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

They didn't even do that.

[Terrell Lawan]

And also when the microscope finally went on, Michigan, it's right before Penn State, Maryland, which I said that year was going to be the hardest game of the year. Ohio State, Alabama and Washington. So if you're being Everyone is watching every single thing you do, let's say you were cheating. Let's say all the worst things are real. There's no way to cheat those games. Can't do it.

[Will Compton]

They also would have never gotten rid of any evidence.

[Terrell Lawan]

Who? What?

[Will Compton]

Like Michigan got rid of all the evidence. Like, they said that something happened, but there was nothing that they could. The manifesto lived out Like, I'm talking Seppuku gutted himself through cell phones in the water. A lot of evidence was a lot of.

[Terrell Lawan]

A lot of alleged. A lot of alleged things happen. But the manifesto, it's like, yeah, sorry, my boy is detail oriented. Who is also a Marine, by the way. Show some respect.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

So it's like, yeah, you attack Michigan.

[Josh Pate]

You attack this country, people.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. You take Michigan, like, listen, Michigan didn't do anything wrong.

[Will Compton]

I feel like how long. How long is just amazing, man.

[Josh Pate]

Clearly they did stuff wrong, right? Clearly they did. You don't have to pretend it's a boy Scout troop up there. You don't have to do that. You don't have to go. Scout's honor. They did stuff wrong. They didn't get popped for it. And it wasn't as wrong as some of the Internet claim it was. Didn't do anything wrong.

[Terrell Lawan]

Listen, there are rules.

[Josh Pate]

Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

Mike Vrabel sits there he goes, you find the rules, you exploit them and you to good teams use the rules to their advantage.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Michigan is a good football team that took the rules, found the gray, explored the gray. Those will be sewn up. There's a reason why.

[Will Compton]

Didn't get it for breaking.

[Terrell Lawan]

There's a reason why.

[Will Compton]

Those taxes.

[Terrell Lawan]

There's a reason why those tax loops, those are all the billionaires.

[Josh Pate]

There's a difference. Gray area you're not allowed to skirt up to.

[Terrell Lawan]

You're trying to. You're trying to compete. You want these things to not happen, make them black and white rules.

[Josh Pate]

I got no problem with it. I'm not running the incident.

[Terrell Lawan]

Anything wrong.

[Josh Pate]

I'm just saying it's a gray area only because you know they really can't pop you for it. Even though there's a rule rule against it that's different than you haven't thought. Like landing 12 on the team on the field last year and the Big Ten got mad and he was like, there's no rule against it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Genius.

[Josh Pate]

Yes. That's different than what we're talking about here. You got off because there are rules against illegal scouting. It's just Connor looked at it and said, how are they ever going to prove this? Which was smart because they can't.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right?

[Josh Pate]

Yes.

[Will Compton]

But Conor, his punishment, what is it like an 8 year old?

[Josh Pate]

Oh, yes. Like which.

[Will Compton]

Honestly, he got the punishment.

[Terrell Lawan]

Who said it? Someone was.

[Will Compton]

If anybody got punished. He got. He did.

[Josh Pate]

But I mean he could go work in the NFL tomorrow. There's a role in the NFL for him tomorrow, I believe.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. It's in Seattle. I bet.

[Josh Pate]

Could be.

[Terrell Lawan]

I bet you it's in Seattle.

[Josh Pate]

Could be.

[Will Compton]

No, you're.

[Josh Pate]

You're right.

[Will Compton]

I do. Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

I just love the two. The two sides of this. I watched this from a distance and I watched Ohio State claims that anything less than removing the Michigan logo from the sport of college Football would be a stain on the veil of the game. And then I get on this bus and they say, we did nothing wrong.

[Will Compton]

We did nothing wrong because you got a Michigan side to where there's like, this. This. This arrogance about it. Like, they just. They don't say that. They claim that nothing happened. And it's like, you guys can have some awareness and know that something happened, but you got away with it.

[Josh Pate]

Like, yeah.

[Will Compton]

You guys still won the national title.

[Terrell Lawan]

Still won the national title.

[Josh Pate]

Can't take it away from you.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Can't take it away. We did it. It's like, yeah, Connor did. Was he at the potential Michigan game? Probably. Was he. Was he doing those things? Probably. Prove it.

[Josh Pate]

I think I did get it done. I think, Pace.

[Terrell Lawan]

You did. I will say. And I know, like, obviously, Ohio State and I have a very interesting relationship, but the fact that Michigan had all these things and get slapped with what they had, but in 2011 or 2010, they get free tattoos and they have bull bands. Wins.

[Will Compton]

They went. That was my.

[Terrell Lawan]

They would have won. The Natty that played the Big Ten championship. That is the craziest. If I'm an Ohio State fan, I'm pissed about it, too.

[Josh Pate]

Oh, I'm going to court.

[Terrell Lawan]

I have every. I completely.

[Josh Pate]

I'm going to court.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

I'm getting my wins back.

[Terrell Lawan]

You should be like, was it UCF that put up their 2023 national championship band banner? Hang the Ohio State. That's what I'm doing. So y' all took us. Y' all gonna do to Michigan. We won the natty in 2011 or whatever the year was. Prove we didn't. Nah, I get it. I understand the whole Michigan thing, and people want to hate on it. I think it's funnier than anything else.

[Josh Pate]

I did laugh.

[Will Compton]

Hey, Ohio State. That does suck.

[Terrell Lawan]

The tattoo State fan. That is. Got a. That is some bullshit. Yeah, whatever. Mitch.

[Will Compton]

Mitch is an Ohio State fan.

[Terrell Lawan]

Alleged.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. He didn't know that. The coordinator.

[Terrell Lawan]

Alleged. Yeah. So you haven't really done a deep dive on Michigan yet. You haven't looked into it?

[Josh Pate]

Not to the degree of, like, going up there and watching them.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay, but you've looked into them. You've looked into their ones, twos, and threes.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Like, I mean, so we threw up the schedule here. You'd have a good thought process.

[Josh Pate]

I think I had them at eight, four, and four.

[Terrell Lawan]

I don't like that.

[Josh Pate]

I took under eight and a half. I did take that.

[Terrell Lawan]

I saw. I saw a tweet. I blocked you.

[Josh Pate]

But I feel like it's 2026. I look at this, you're going to feel different. Which I would if I were you, too. I'm looking at them and saying it kind of like with the thing we were talking about a second ago with Arch. Anything above eight and a half wins, I get this year. Great. Wonderful. If we go on a run, we go on a run. But I look at the way they're built with Underwood, I am thinking 2026. I'm viewing this entire prism. Prism or season, through the prism of 2026. So I think they're a year away in a lot of areas. That's what I'm saying. That's what the vibe will be.

[Terrell Lawan]

Where you see him falling. Don't say Nebraska. But you see him losing Oklahoma.

[Josh Pate]

Oh, you, You.

[Terrell Lawan]

You're going to pick Nebraska?

[Josh Pate]

Maybe.

[Terrell Lawan]

Well, if you don't.

[Josh Pate]

I look at them in clusters, like.

[Terrell Lawan]

USC and who else?

[Josh Pate]

This Washington team sucked on the road last year. That's going to be a sleeper team this year. That's one of the best quarterbacks you'll face this year. Keep scrolling. Michigan State. USC got him as a sleeper, but I don't have that.

[Terrell Lawan]

USC at usc.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, Last year. Enough data. Anytime the Big Ten had to travel.

[Terrell Lawan]

You're going out west, though.

[Josh Pate]

I don't know. That was a classic game last year, man.

[Terrell Lawan]

Scroll down, scroll down.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

The last ones are hot.

[Josh Pate]

That's the Ohio State game. I mean, I'd pick Ohio State right now, but I've picked them four years in a row, so that doesn't matter.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, to me it's like.

[Josh Pate]

Doesn't matter.

[Terrell Lawan]

Matter you. Yeah, Ohio State doesn't matter.

[Josh Pate]

I'll probably just keep picking them now out of principle.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, you can't change it because I need them to keep. Any mission to keep.

[Josh Pate]

Well, think about how dumb you look if you picked Ohio State four years in a row and then the year you pick Michigan at inverts. So you just got to stay on one side.

[Terrell Lawan]

But you look at this, it's not the most difficult schedule in the world.

[Josh Pate]

No, it's not. I just think it's a lot of close games.

[Terrell Lawan]

I mean, you got Oklahoma, Nebraska are tough games. USC is a tough game. Washington, I think it's a. Get back here. We got one. They got one. They come to Michigan. Michigan.

[Josh Pate]

I'm wondering, just a random game on October 4th. Wisconsin, multiple years in under Luke Fickle. I'm shocked they're where they are.

[Terrell Lawan]

See, I mean, I don't know a lot about Wisconsin.

[Josh Pate]

No, you shouldn't. They don't have an identity.

[Terrell Lawan]

Exactly.

[Josh Pate]

You can't know. That's what I'm talking about.

[Terrell Lawan]

People are kind of saying they're like, bad year, tough year coming.

[Josh Pate]

Do I think I took under five and a half wins on them? So I think they're going to be bad.

[Terrell Lawan]

So you think October 4th, they're just going to sneak up on Michigan?

[Josh Pate]

No, what I'm saying is it shouldn't be what I'm saying.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Josh Pate]

Multiple years in under Luke Fickler, like, questioning the identity of that team was the last place I thought I would be. But he tried to do something different. He did. People aren't talking about it, but, like Lincoln Riley made a bad offensive or a defense coordinator hire when he first took over. Kelly did the same thing at lsu. They have since course corrected. Fickle did that offensively. He hired Phil Longo and he tried to change what Wisconsin had been for 100 years and it failed. And now they're trying to course correct. And it's like. But you're doing that three years in and that's not what you're supposed to be doing three years in. So I'm not saying no. That's not like an upset potential game. I'm just saying Wisconsin plays the toughest schedule in that league this year. There are there. I think they play one team in conference play that has worse odds than them. Every other eight of the nine Big Ten games they play are against teams with better odds than them. And they play Bama out of conference on the road in Tuscaloosa. So if they win five games this year. Year. What are they doing?

[Terrell Lawan]

Right. Yeah, that's.

[Will Compton]

Yeah. I was surprised, too, with. With Fickle. Talk to me about Cincinnati.

[Josh Pate]

That sneaky. Not that game, but Illinois as a team.

[Terrell Lawan]

As a team.

[Josh Pate]

USC goes there in like week five. I think it's like one of the sneak games of the year. Like Southern Calif. They win that when they're off to the races. They're undefeated when they play, y'. All. They got on the road at Notre Dame after that. Like, Southern Cal is in the playoff picture. If they win that game, if they lose that game, it's probably the first of three or four losses again.

[Terrell Lawan]

Gotcha. Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. USC at Illinois. I don't think the country's going to be talking about that. USC at Illinois and like Texas at Florida are two random, huge games on the schedule around the same time that people just aren't circling it because they're not typical rivalry games. They don't happen every year. Florida, people aren't used to being a competitor. Illinois, that people are not used for them to be in the picture. And they're both in the picture this year.

[Terrell Lawan]

Year.

[Josh Pate]

And it's just those games are there and you're going to get to that week and you're going to say, oh, this is a huge game. And yeah, I think it'll make or break USC season. It could make or break Texas this season. When they go into Gainesville, they will have already played Ohio State on the road. They go into Gainesville, they've got OU the next week and they still got a trip to Georgia later in the year. So new Texas has got. It's not the toughest schedule in the league. All their tough ones are on the road, though.

[Will Compton]

Big boy schedule. For our final question, our Bud Light.

[Terrell Lawan]

What's up? I said one more before you do Bud Light question.

[Will Compton]

Go ahead.

[Josh Pate]

Any relation to Brock Bowers DNA wise? I don't think so. However, you know, there's more to that than just blood.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

And so I feel a lot closer to Brock now than I did two, three weeks ago. And you know, you both got hair. You wouldn't understand it. Side note, my beautiful wife, piece of advice walking out the door this morning, this came out of her mouth, I kid you not. She goes, where are you going? I said, I'm going to do the busing show. She said, don't try and upstage them. They have mustaches. I just looked at her like I'm looking at you now.

[Terrell Lawan]

Did that make you think I should grow a mustache?

[Josh Pate]

It made me think. You've never mentioned facial hair to me in my life. I didn't know that you were harboring this idea that, like, you're inferior if you're not walking around with it. But now it's not, I love you. I'll see you later. Like, do you want me to cook tonight? It's don't try and upstage them. They have mustaches. So for Brock Bowers to be coming to me instead of, you know, me going towards Brock, it feels good.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Welcome.

[Terrell Lawan]

You kind of open up a can of worms with a mustache thing, though. I kind of want to see you with a mustache.

[Josh Pate]

I do too. No, I want to see, like, what's it look like?

[Will Compton]

No shave?

[Josh Pate]

No. You ever seen. You look at. You ever seen Joe Dirt?

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

Okay, so Joe Dirt, when he went on the radio show, the guy sat across from him and he said, wait a second, you're telling me your facial hair actually grows in on its own. All white trash. You like that? Yeah, that's kind of what's happening. It's a white trashy look. It's blonde.

[Will Compton]

I think I need not great blonde.

[Josh Pate]

It's not great. So I just have never let it happen.

[Will Compton]

I think we need it in November.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, we need the mustache starting now.

[Josh Pate]

I can't tell you how, how important the charity would have to be to me for me to participate.

[Terrell Lawan]

What's your number?

[Josh Pate]

I'm gonna write it down for you.

[Terrell Lawan]

Okay.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, off air. I want to write for you.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. And then I'll show that on the locker room this week.

[Josh Pate]

It's eight figures.

[Terrell Lawan]

Oh, never mind. A little blonde mustache just for men. CVS make that thing darker.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah. Every, every road you're going down. Hypothetical. I've already gone on it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Fair enough.

[Will Compton]

We'll figure out a question, figure out a future that he puts in on and if he loses it.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, look at that. I'll be honest with you. One thing with the locker room, you're going to find out there's always these bets and it always involves losing the top of your hair or facial hair.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Something happens and it's always.

[Will Compton]

He nails that right before.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, I mean, I'm done. Me and Brock Bowers were good. You bet. Something else for us, Bud Light question.

[Will Compton]

You know how people would do anything for an ice cold Bud Light? What is something that Josh Pate would do anything for?

[Terrell Lawan]

For?

[Josh Pate]

I would love to be able to go to pre technological times and be able to watch like surveillance camera footage of stuff before cameras existed. You could watch dinosaurs. You could watch like the Declaration of Independence get signed. Like you, we live in a world now where anything that happened in the last, what like 75 to 100 years, you've got photos of like I've seen the Kennedy assassination, I've seen the moon landing. I think I have. I've seen the Challenger explosion, like all the big stuff. 9, 11. Like there's footage of that. You have to imagine what it looked like when the first white settlers came to America. What America looked like before that. What did, what did it look like? Like I said, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, you just get to watch cartoons of that or you watch like recreations of it, but you don't get to actually see what it looked like. There could have been a stegosaurus where this bus is right now on a Tuesday afternoon. I don't think they knew it was Tuesday. But like you're watching that stuff in prehistoric times, but you're actually Getting to see it. If you could deliver that to me, I would. That's what I would do you do anything for.

[Terrell Lawan]

That's a great answer.

[Will Compton]

He said I would.

[Josh Pate]

Cause what would you dial up? Like I go to dinosaurs.

[Terrell Lawan]

You had me on dinosaurs. I probably want to see that meteor impact or figure out what really happened. Happened there. Right? That we decided as the meteor. Have we figured that out?

[Josh Pate]

Look, I'm not 100 on it.

[Terrell Lawan]

I'm not 100 on most things.

[Josh Pate]

This is how we find out.

[Will Compton]

Yeah.

[Josh Pate]

And then the bad part is you come back to the future and you try and convince people they don't believe you.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right.

[Will Compton]

Could we get the Last Supper, like live on live stream.

[Terrell Lawan]

Here's another one too. You kind of had conspiracies. Have you heard? The conspiracy of like the Nazis fleeting to South America. Yeah, I'd like to see that.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Like, where was Hitler at in his little bunker? Did he dip or did he take that pill?

[Josh Pate]

So much stuff.

[Terrell Lawan]

I know.

[Josh Pate]

There's so much stuff about history here.

[Will Compton]

Pyramids.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, pyramids. Yeah, that's a good one. Just also time lapse of it being built. Yeah, I bet you it's like a. A blink. Stonehenge.

[Will Compton]

Also when the last Bigfoot walked the.

[Terrell Lawan]

Earth, Amelia Earhart, the moment before impact. The. Did you. So I heard they might have found her plan in Antarctica.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, but they say that like every two years.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, but this is the most. I'm just delivering you a message that I've seen with my own eyes on the Instagram. Instagram. But like they found a plane that was like buried into around the same year into a cliffside in Antarctica.

[Josh Pate]

See, I heard some. Some rumors that some terrible stuff could have happened to them when they crashed. Just Internet rumor.

[Terrell Lawan]

Like talking about Internet lore. Yeah, like. Like deserted island they float upon.

[Josh Pate]

Or like sharks maybe don't die when you land, but maybe some people find you. You know, that kind of stuff. I don't know. I wasn't there. Like I said, I don't have the footage. Footage.

[Terrell Lawan]

Right, but.

[Josh Pate]

And that's not that long ago. It just so happened we didn't have cameras over the ocean, so we didn't see that. Yeah, but if we go back to like 1300, go back to the Dark Ages, something like that in the Roman Empire. You get to see the entire Roman Empire.

[Terrell Lawan]

That'd be sick.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

So Marcus Aurelius dropping pods for Us Weekly. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. What would be. What would be the one place you started Dynasty? Dinosaurs.

[Josh Pate]

I think I would start at dinosaurs. Yeah. And Then I would just start going famous moments throughout history guy. I'm. How do you not. How are you not fascinated?

[Will Compton]

You seen?

[Terrell Lawan]

No.

[Will Compton]

Every Jurassic World?

[Josh Pate]

I haven't. Oh, oh, this gets me to another thing.

[Will Compton]

So big dinosaur guy.

[Josh Pate]

No, I'm a big dinosaur guy. I'm a big storm chasing guy too. I would love to go back before meteorological records existed. Cause you know, like severe weather, huge hurricanes, huge droughts, huge snowstorms were happening in forever as long as the earth has been here. So I always think about like Nashville, Tennessee or if you want to go and check out the biggest one day snowfall, you could do that. But the records only go back like 100 years. So who's to say in. In January of 1483 there wasn't a three foot snowfall where we're sitting right now? Or who's to say there wasn't the equivalent of an EF5 tornado that came through? Who's to say there wasn't like the strongest Cat 5 hurricane in history making landfall in Biloxi, Mississippi? Mississippi. That's a little more nerdish. Not as many people would be into that, but I'm into that.

[Terrell Lawan]

I love throughout this podcast how many random cities and states you say, yeah.

[Josh Pate]

You got to drop.

[Terrell Lawan]

It's fun. Yeah, it's. It's a fun. It's a nationwide show chasing tornadoes. How many have you chased?

[Josh Pate]

I'm at 13.

[Terrell Lawan]

You're at 13?

[Josh Pate]

I've seen 13.

[Terrell Lawan]

Can your 14th be with the boys?

[Josh Pate]

I've already spoken to someone about making this happen.

[Terrell Lawan]

Really? Okay, good, because I think that would be.

[Will Compton]

God, this could be a.

[Terrell Lawan]

Such an elite. Imagine us in Oklahoma. They're still mourning the loss to Michigan. And we just. We're back. We're back.

[Will Compton]

How real is the ambition for college football Commissioner?

[Josh Pate]

It's real. I take it tomorrow. I'm equipped, I'm qualified. It's probably why I won't get the job. But I got really good ideas. I got really good ideas.

[Will Compton]

What are three ideas you would implement right out of the gate?

[Josh Pate]

Your first 90 first thing is I would so all these people talking about private equity. Equity. I would try and harness private equity to compensate for all the money grabs. Let me give you an example. Georgia Tech plays Georgia every year. Georgia Tech is moving their home game against Georgia to Mercedes Benz Stadium this year because they can get $12 million more dollars out of it. You're taking away a home field rivalry moment for the sake of more money because you need it. Cause you're in a new era. So I would Love to get private money and I would love to funnel it and say, georgia Tech, keep your game at home, we'll subsidize. I would love to harness private money that way, private equity money that way. Second thing I would love to do is basically take control of conferences from a media rights perspective. And I would love to have a college football media rights deal instead of the SEC having their own, the Big Ten having their own. I would love for it to look like the NFL broadcast rights deal of 1961 would have to be addressed here. But I mean, I would be in the president's back pocket. So I get this. I get this taken care of. This is a MAGA podcast. We can talk about that. So. So I would love. Because first off, first off, what happens right now is like, Fox has very little incentive to talk about the sec. ESPN has very little incentive to just talk about the Big Ten because they're not in business with each other a whole lot, which is very stupid because in the aggregate, the game doesn't scale. Also the playoff contract, one network owns it instead of NBC, cbs, Fox, all having a piece of it, which means there's very little incentive for them to promote the playoff and promote the game moving towards the playoff because they don't have a cut of it. So I would do away with that. And I would also love to reconfigure things where conferences made sense to where Stanford is not playing a conference game at Wake Forest just for the sake of someone that you and you and me will never meet. Cash in a few more zeros on a paycheck. I would love for that to not matter anymore. I would also, even in a pure dictatorship, like if I'm the commissioner and everything I say goes, if I'm a king of college football, football, I would have so many things that are popular vote decided. I would take my authority and I would say I'm putting it to the side. We're deciding this by popular vote. I would just hold a national vote. Just, just pure, pure democracy on some things.

[Terrell Lawan]

I love it.

[Will Compton]

And the whole promotional thing too. It's like, when was it last year? Was it like New Year's? Was it New Year's where it just felt like no one even knew that? Or was it the national championship?

[Josh Pate]

It was both. It was both. I would also love to work with the NFL. Look, man, I got the NFL benefits a lot from college football from a marketing and development perspective. The NFL gets ready made assets handed to them on draft night that have been developed on college football's dime. NFL hasn't had to pay a dime for the development piece. And they have been marketed on college football's diagram to where when you draft Taylor Lawan, I know about him because he played at Michigan. I know about him because I watched him start at left tackle for all these years. You drafted him, but I already know who he is. So you don't have to tell me who he is and you don't have to develop him to the degree that you have to in college. The NFL never has to fit the bill for that. And yet when it comes time to decide the broadcast schedule, that's the one area where I really wish the NFL would work with college a little bit to make sure, like college football's post season is in a good spot. And instead it feels like you have to fight the NFL on every bit of the that. So that's probably because people running college football have no clue how to work with the NFL. I think I do a better job working with the NFL.

[Terrell Lawan]

I love it. Start the playoffs right after championship week.

[Josh Pate]

I think so.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah. Have to.

[Josh Pate]

Yeah, I think so.

[Terrell Lawan]

Keep that. Just keep it moving.

[Josh Pate]

I think so.

[Terrell Lawan]

That gap of 28, 30 days.

[Josh Pate]

Not needed.

[Terrell Lawan]

Crazy.

[Josh Pate]

Not needed.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah, we got a roll.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, we did. 2018 playoff.

[Josh Pate]

No, go above 12.

[Terrell Lawan]

12.

[Josh Pate]

I'd leave it. Dude, I'd go smaller than 12, but I'm keeping it at 12. I think they just poison pilled you. They just put an Overton window kind of mechanism out there. It's like if, if I'm telling you will, we're going vacation. And you say, where are we going? I'm so we're going to St. Louis for an entire week. You say, why can't we go to the Caribbean? Like, why can't we go to a beach somewhere? And I say, all right, we're going to Russia. You say, no, no, no. And I said, all right, St. Louis then. Okay, well, all of a sudden you're fine with St. Louis. The Big Ten wants the 16 team players playoff. Not many people want it. So their marketing and PR folks just said they're stupid. Just float a 2018 proposal out there. They'll hate that so much. All of a sudden 16 won't sound so bad. That's all they're doing. That's all they're doing.

[Terrell Lawan]

Inside ball, Illuminati type shit.

[Will Compton]

I don't like the bi weeks.

[Josh Pate]

I actually don't either.

[Will Compton]

So I feel like it would be 16 or if you go below 12, 8.

[Josh Pate]

I don't like having at large if you're going to have the play in Saturday, like the whole conference play in Saturday. If you're having those play in games, I love them. I don't want a safety net under it. I don't want you to be a 4 seed who loses but knows, oh, I can get in anyway. Like, if you're going to play in games at the conference level, they need to really be do or die playing games. So however we can figure it, I hope it's configured that way.

[Terrell Lawan]

We. You.

[Josh Pate]

Yes.

[Terrell Lawan]

The commissioner.

[Josh Pate]

Yes. With. With voters.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yes.

[Josh Pate]

Helping. Yeah, we'll help you out.

[Will Compton]

We'll be. We'll be a.

[Terrell Lawan]

We'll be up or.

[Josh Pate]

I didn't say every vote counts the same. Same super votes, super delegates. Yeah.

[Terrell Lawan]

Super duper votes.

[Will Compton]

Yeah, that's right. Because we do have. We do have this.

[Josh Pate]

That's right.

[Will Compton]

We're part of the Supremacy.

[Josh Pate]

That's right.

[Will Compton]

I don't know if that's safe to say at this point.

[Terrell Lawan]

No, it's not.

[Will Compton]

You can't just three white guys up here. We are part of the Supremacy.

[Terrell Lawan]

Yeah.

[Will Compton]

Josh Pate. It's going to be a hell of a year. Hell of a season.

[Josh Pate]

Coming on.

[Will Compton]

Busting with the boys.

[Josh Pate]

Pleasure.

[Will Compton]

The locker room drops Wednesday night. Subscribe. Big hugs, tiny kisses. We love you.

[Terrell Lawan]

Love you. Photo.

[Will Compton]

A hell of an episode.

[Josh Pate]

Episode. How long did we go? Like two hours. Every day has a to do list.

[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

Ah, come on.

[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

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[Terrell Lawan]

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[Josh Pate]

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