Josh Pate Picks College Football Playoff National Championship W/ Will Compton And Taylor Lewan

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys: Josh Pate Picks College Football Playoff National Championship w/ Will Compton & Taylor Lewan

Date: January 14, 2026

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Overview

In the season finale of the Locker Room College Football Edition, Will Compton, Taylor Lewan, and special guest Josh Pate break down the upcoming College Football Playoff National Championship between Indiana and Miami. They recap their future bets, provide an in-depth preview of the title game, and share candid behind-the-scenes stories from their whirlwind travels during the playoffs. The episode is as much about friendship and locker room camaraderie as it is about football, featuring good-natured ball-busting, philosophical reflections on the season, and a passionate, stats-driven debate about who will come out on top in the national championship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Final Show Reflections & Inside Jokes

[03:34–07:07]

• The trio looks back on the season, joking about how new listeners are missing out on not just the picks but the camaraderie, "trench warfare," and energy the show provides.
• Discussing running inside jokes like "the Nebraska thing," the "coaching carousel," and the "Fall Don't Lie" tour.
• Josh Pate expresses sympathy for those finding the show late:

  Josh Pate [05:10]: "Statistically, there's someone who just happened upon this video. They're like, wait, I like this show...Think about what they missed. They missed the Nebraska thing…"

2. The Arizona-to-Atlanta Drama: Behind the Scenes of CFB Playoff Travel

[07:07–27:31]

• The group unpack a travel miscommunication for the playoff semifinals, with friendly accusations over Josh's "last-minute" disclosure he could've zoomed his ESPN hit from anywhere, not just Atlanta.
• Will felt they could have stayed longer in Arizona if information was relayed sooner.
• Both sides explain their reasoning and eventually reach mutual understanding on air:

  Josh Pate [26:17]: "I can imagine I may rage out a little bit internally. I wouldn't show it...So I guess maybe morally I found some middle ground." Taylor Lewan [21:21]: "He…if he'd go back, he'd communicate [differently]: that's all I needed to hear."

• The exchange is full of playful football analogies, mediation attempts, and ends with a handshake and future adventure tease.

3. Future Bets and How They Fared

[38:40–41:40]

• All three bombed their preseason futures picks for conference winners, Heisman, and national champ:
  • Taylor: 1-5, Will: 0-6, Josh: 0-6.
  • Only Taylor—via Oregon—had a team alive deep into the playoff picture.
  • Conversation pivots to Indiana's improbable run and conspiracy theories about their rise, including "Mark Cuban/Catapult" tinfoil-hat speculation.

  Josh Pate [41:40]: “If you do to the college football world what Indiana has done, it’s going to rub some people the wrong way… It’s all speculation to this point. So until otherwise notified, I’m gonna laugh in people’s face about it until I’m shown evidence.”

4. Conference Power Shift & SEC/Big Ten Debate

[47:08–53:02]

• Paul Finebaum's comment declaring the Big Ten as the “superior conference” sparks debate.
• Josh theorizes recent SEC struggles stem from their historical talent/recruiting edge suddenly being negated by NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) and changing college football landscape.

  Josh Pate [47:48]: “They [the SEC] got a little lazy in the way they hire staffing...The sport didn’t change gradually. It changed pretty quickly. Over the last five years, it’s changed pretty radically.”

• Wrestling analogies abound—drawing parallels between college football conference races and the WWF/WCW ratings wars.

5. National Championship Preview: Indiana vs. Miami

[57:05–94:12] (with key analysis between 62:13–73:42)

• Indiana is an 8.5 point favorite over Miami; the crew breaks down strengths, weaknesses, and x-factors, drawing on in-depth stats and game film.
• Pate’s Analysis:
  • Believes Miami can win outright, values their ability to counter Indiana’s strengths at the line of scrimmage.
  • Picks Miami (+8.5) but notes Indiana’s consistency and mistake-free football.

  Josh Pate [62:13]: “My pick is Miami +8.5...Do I think they can win? Yes. But Indiana’s really good at knocking you off the tracks and derailing you.”

• Taylor’s Analysis:
  • Picks Indiana (–8.5), trusts their process and turnover-averse play; impressed by their mature roster (44 players aged 24–25).

  Taylor Lewan [65:36]: “I love the note about the offensive line...the gap integrity that the defense has is absolutely incredible...they just don’t make mistakes.”

• Will Compton’s Analysis:
  • Torn but sides with Miami +8.5, citing the matchups in the trenches and the chance of Miami playing their peak game.

  Will Compton [80:08]: “The beef that they have up front on both sides of the ball matches up really well with Indiana...if Miami plays their best football...this game is going to be incredible.”

• All agree the margin for error is tiny—team that makes fewer mistakes likely claims the trophy.

6. Football Philosophy, Legacy, and the Magic of This Season

[93:34–94:12]

• The conversation turns emotional; Indiana’s story is considered one of the “coolest” in college football history, emblematic of increased playoff parity.
• Whether Indiana wins in dominant fashion or the game turns into a classic down-to-the-wire finish, everyone agrees this has been one of the greatest college football seasons ever.

  Taylor Lewan [93:14]: “This might have been the best year of college football ever. And that’s what’s exciting.” Josh Pate [93:36]: “I think it was the best year either way, really.”

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the Show’s Unique Vibe:

  "What they missed is love." – Josh Pate [06:23]

• On Playoff Travel Mishap:

  "In case we might want to stay in Arizona, we still need to go to Atlanta. Because I have no clue what ESPN’s thinking right there. The bag’s passed. You’ve communicated, like, there’s no feeling you have in your body when you’re trying to whisper it under your breath, like, I’m just zooming in tomorrow."
  – Taylor Lewan [20:56]

• On Indiana’s Doubters and Conspiracies:

  “If you do to the college football world what Indiana has done, it’s going to rub some people the wrong way because you’re out of your place.”
  – Josh Pate [41:40]

• SEC-Big Ten Shift:

  "Does NIL really just do something that permanently alters the landscape? I would imagine that's not true, but you never know. My crystal ball doesn't see that far in the future."
  – Josh Pate [50:15]

• On Championship Picks:

  "My pick is Miami +8.5...Do I think they're going to win? Yes, I pick them to win. But my pick on the show is Miami eight and a half."
  – Josh Pate [62:13]

  "I’m taking Indiana, dude."
  – Taylor Lewan [59:53]

  "I personally think my gut tells me Indiana is going to win this game but 8 and a half is too many points. I’m going with Miami plus 8 and a half."
  – Will Compton [78:38]

• On The Magic of the Season:

  "This might have been the best year of college football ever...seeing that logo hoist a trophy after a dominant win is like, this might have been the best year of college football ever."
  – Taylor Lewan [93:14] "I think it was the best year either way, really."
  – Josh Pate [93:36]

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Important Timestamps

• Opening reflections, season wrap-up: [03:34–07:07]
• Arizona-to-Atlanta playoff travel drama: [07:07–27:31]
• Future picks review and Indiana conspiracy talk: [38:40–41:40]
• SEC/Big Ten, wrestling analogy: [47:08–53:02]
• National Championship preview: [57:05–94:12]
  • Josh picks Miami +8.5, analysis: [62:13–65:36]
  • Taylor picks Indiana –8.5, analysis: [65:36–66:43]
  • Will picks Miami +8.5, analysis: [78:38–80:08]
• Crowning the season as the best ever: [93:34–93:36]

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Closing Thoughts & Teasers

• The hosts (playfully) debate Josh Pate’s "verbal commitment" to coming back next year, referencing the college football recruiting cycle—a meta joke about the uncertainties in both sports and content creation.
• Each offers gratitude to the crew and audience, echoing themes of brotherhood, growth, and the unpredictable joy of college football.

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For fans who missed it:
This episode artfully blends sharp football analysis with the signature humor and authenticity that define Bussin’ with the Boys. Beyond predictions and hot takes, they offer an immersive portrait of what it means to chase the action with your friends, to bust chops, to navigate chaos—and to fall in love (and heartbreak) with college football, season after season.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to another episode of the Locker Room Boys. It's a sad day. It's a bad day. This is our final show of the season. We'll be talking. We're going to recap our futures picks. Indiana, Miami, the national title game. We're going to talk about all that. We're also just going to hang out and talk shop because again, it is a sad day because this is the final episode of this season. But to tell you guys, thank each and every one of you so much for leaving comments throughout the entire year, for following along this show, following this channel, everything in between following our content, Fall Don't Lie tour bus and fall Tour. When we collaborate and mingle and drop content and everything else and you guys comment underneath, that means the world to us. But with every death, there's rebirth. There's some talks and whispers right now what this show could possibly be next year on this set right here in other worlds. But we also know that it's the college football landscape. Anything can happen. This could be a Kenny Minchi situation with Josh Pate that we're talking about right now. But neither here nor there. The standings are. We have a tie going into this championship game. Going into the national title, Josh Pate is 44 and 44. Taylor Lawan is 44 and 44. This game might decide that we're going to have to figure out a tiebreaker of some sort if they have the same pick. Willie C. Did go undefeated in the semifinals, 40 and 48, respectively. We're happy you're here. Welcome to the show the locker room. Leave comments along the way. Make make sure you're subscribed. Let's have a show.

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Terms Ladies and gentlemen, welcome in to the final Locker Room College Football Edition episode Moment of silence for all of us and how much of a great year it's been.

[A]

Thank you College Football.

[C]

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[C]

Can I just.

[D]

That's just nervous energy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What's on your mind? What are you feeling going into this last episode, Josh?

[D]

Oh, a whole lot. Part happy, part sad, part anger, part bittersweet. But the first thing I'm thinking since we're on the spirit of this is our last show of the season is I really feel bad for people who are finding the show for the first time because our numbers have grown every week. So, you know, statistically, there's someone who just happened upon this video. They're like, wait, I like this show. Hopefully, wait, this thing's been going on all year. I don't get most of the inside jokes. I don't know why I haven't watched this all year. Think about what they missed. They missed. They missed the whole Nebraska thing. They missed.

[A]

They always miss the Nebraska thing.

[D]

They missed the coaching search carousel. They missed the whole Michigan thing.

[C]

They missed the bus and bowl.

[D]

They did miss the bus and bowl. They missed the Fall Don't Lie tour. They missed one of the. One of the most like down to the wire pick chases that we've had in recent memory because we've only had one on the show. Because we've only had one version of the show. So, hey, it's going to be a long spring. I would encourage people to go back and watch the previous shows.

[C]

That's great.

[A]

You know the biggest thing they missed? Camaraderie, Vibes.

[D]

Friendship.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Trench warfare.

[A]

Seeing energy. Feeling energy. Feeling like they're a part of the energy.

[D]

What they missed is love.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. That one feeling you get as a small child when your mom, you're cold, comes to you and wraps a little blanket around you. That's the feeling that this show is willing to give you weekend and week out.

[D]

And then you don't get it again until you do a college football YouTube show decades later.

[A]

Or until somebody tells you they're zooming in from their hotel at 2:30 in the morning. And that right there, that's a good feeling. Something they'd be missing out on. They're like, what is Willie? What does Willie C. Mean by that?

[C]

Here's the good news. That is the good news. If this is the first time somebody is watching the show. Luckily there's enough drama to happen in this show because Josh Pate's name was thrown in an absolute blender on Bustle with the Boys.

[D]

Most recent episode with Josh Payton not on the bus.

[C]

With Josh Payton not on the bus.

[A]

That was strategic.

[D]

There was a JP There to defend me, but it Was not me.

[C]

Yep.

[D]

Yep. All right. Go ahead.

[C]

I would like to give. I don't have. I was in Vegas fighting for my life. I would love for both of you to have the floor. I can sit back as a third party if I need to mediate anything. What happened if JP Wasn't there? All I'm saying is it could have been catastrophic, not only for you two, but for us as well. Because there was a. There was a painting being illustrated by one individual that I thought to myself, oh, my God. And the words came out of my mouth. Is Josh Pate for the boys?

[D]

Yep. And I called you Judas on the Internet.

[C]

Did you?

[D]

So I may take it back.

[A]

Two of us call this Judah.

[D]

Judah. Yeah. Plural of Judas.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

You said that publicly.

[D]

I asked what the plural of Judas is, which implied that I was kind of labeling both of you. But it's not closed. I wrote that in pencil, not pen. So I am prepared to have it out now. I have a grin on my face. William has a grin on his face. Those are the kind of grins you have when you think morally you're in the right. Both of us think we're in the right.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

I'm willing to. I'm going to defer. I'm willing to take the ball.

[C]

Second half, you've won the toss. Yeah. Okay.

[A]

May I add, both of us think we're morally in the right and we also understand the other side.

[D]

I'm not going to go as far as to say I understand your side yet.

[C]

That was the first olive branch. That was the first olive branch that was swatted away from one. Josh. Can't. Brother. Hey. You can't go to a timeout this early. We just did the coin toss. You just caught the kick. It's the first point of the game.

[A]

We're wasting one. This is Michigan, Penn State.

[C]

I didn't bring that up.

[A]

So you're telling me that for everybody at home listening, we were planning out this trip to hit both semifinal games. Yep. Crystal ball. We have it our way. It's Burger King. We fly to Arizona. We watch that game. We sleep in Arizona, take our time, get some breakfast in Arizona, get out to have some zips in Arizona, know that we got all the time in the world. Make it out to Atlanta for the Peach Bowl. That started at what, 7:30 Eastern? Something like that? No, no, no.

[C]

Official's timeout, officials timeout. You can't lose the toss, go on offense, call a timeout, and then just start running plays.

[A]

The timeout is for me to have a Moment to talk.

[C]

We're playing. That's the game. You guys are in the middle of it right now. You're essentially running your first drive.

[A]

So you want me to stop and.

[C]

No, no, no, you're good. It's just your timeout. It's no longer a timeout. We're in it now.

[D]

Hey, I haven't flinched two or three false starts on the opening drive already.

[A]

For not understanding the rules.

[D]

For just not understanding the rules.

[A]

Like, in the middle of a conversation.

[C]

I'm like, hey, let's.

[A]

Let's try playing stuff to me, I'm like, so do I. Or you want me to keep going?

[C]

We go, hey, let's talk about it. And he goes, time out. Starts talking about it, thinking, wait, no, no, no. We're. We are in the lines right now. The game is happening. So your timeout's gone. We're in it now.

[D]

I don't make the rules.

[A]

I don't know the rules.

[C]

I'm the officiant. I'm making them up as I go.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

So what's the next.

[C]

Your timeout is gone. You want to talk about it, go ahead. You're talking about crystal ball right now. Carry on. Also, you're backed up. It's first and 20.

[A]

So crystal ball. That's kind of how we would operate the. The trip we're trying to enjoy. Go to the College Football Playoff semifinals. However, something came into play. Josh Pate had to be in Atlanta to broadcast Zoom. Whatever from the stadium. Mercedes Benz. You had to be in the. The semifinal. In the atmosphere, in the environment. Calling in to get up to do your hits. Get up first, take all of it.

[D]

Early in the morning.

[A]

Early in the morning, no problem with that. So we had to figure out a way to fly. Hey, we gotta. We gotta fly out from Arizona on Thursday night to get there. Land Friday morning. Gonna be a grind. Gonna land at 2, 3 in the morning. But we're doing it because the boy has the boy. Josh Pate has an obligation. That's why we're doing so as we're flying and land. Go to the game in Arizona, land in Atlanta. And it's 2:30 in the morning and you drop a bomb of. I just gotta zoom in from my hotel room. It doesn't have to be on site in Atlanta. Fireworks go off Miami. Hang on a second. So then why did we have to. But I didn't want to jump to conclusion. I'm like, so when did you know this information? And you say you knew it on the way to Arizona. So Optically, we could have switched stuff around and stayed in Arizona and not left the Miami Ole Miss game early.

[D]

I don't know if you and I.

[C]

Would have met Ray Lewis.

[D]

Your bladder kept you from meeting Ray Lewis.

[A]

Yeah. That's very.

[D]

Very what?

[A]

So that is where the understanding. If you're sitting there in your chair thinking you're morally right, but you can't understand this side of the situation being for the boys, we could have switched some planes up and had some fun in Arizona and took our time to get out of Atlanta. I can't help you.

[C]

First drive's over. Let me just step in for a second. Official's timeout again. This is what happens where there's not another JP to come and defend you right now. Because this is. This is the exact tone that was taking place on the bus. But you now have the floor. Go ahead.

[D]

I love you.

[A]

I love you too, man. You saw my tweet yesterday.

[D]

I said, this is my time now.

[C]

It's your time.

[D]

It's my time.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Hey, that's a warning.

[A]

You got to pick it up. I like you pick it up. You're throwing so many different new rules at me right now, buddy.

[C]

You're just.

[A]

You're not even explaining.

[C]

You had your top 15 plays. You haven't ran one of them yet.

[A]

I scored on the opening drive like that was. That was New England Patriots the other week.

[D]

Three plays.

[C]

And it says Nebraska is the best three win team of all time.

[A]

All right.

[D]

I'm even going to bolster your argument. That's how. That's how sure I am that I'm in the moral right here. Back up six weeks.

[C]

Ish.

[D]

We're doing get up in New York. We're on a very tight timetable because you got to get back because you got to be somewhere at 1:15 in the afternoon. Do you remember this?

[C]

Yes.

[D]

And our plan is we're off air at what, 10 o' clock in the morning. We're out of there by 10:10. We already got the escape route. They're holding the freight elevator for us. And then at like 9:55, someone comes over from the First Take studio and they ask can they get me for 20 more minutes? Which may very well push our landing time back to where you miss your family obligation. And what did you say?

[C]

I was hesitant. I was. I was totally thinking about myself.

[D]

Skip that part.

[C]

Yes, we can do that.

[D]

Yeah. Without hesitation. Let the record show without hesitation said yes. Anything for you. So there is precedent already this year where you guys have been over backwards to help me out because it was a very, very great career opportunity for me and I was appreciative of that. Right. All right. So this would not have even been the first time that you have put me over you. Selfless friendship, that's what it's all about, right?

[A]

Absolutely.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

What would you do if you were in my position and you knew that we're going to try and go to both games? Dream scenario, knock out two playoff games in an ideal world, in your crystal ball, we're on the field for those games. But I digress, I digress. We're at the games. The producers, the producers from get up and or First Take, doesn't matter which show, they say you're going to be in Atlanta Friday morning. Yeah, I think, I think I will be in Atlanta Friday morning. Let's get you from the venue, let's get you over there. You're going to be a couple of blocks away. Let's get you from the venue. But then it goes back and forth throughout the week. Now you didn't know this because this didn't really concern you. So I was just trying to deal with them. So first off, it starts with you are going to be there, then you're not going to be there. Alright. Then it changes back to you are going to be there. Right. So we've already had some ping pong back and forth, little production uncertainty. And then I tell JP because we do have to plan for these things. Hotel rooms have to be booked, flights have to be changed. I tell him, hey, can we get out of Arizona? Can we get to Atlanta? It's all agreed upon. Then on the flight out there, it's still really, really wobbly. It's really uncertain. And then they say, hey, looks for now like we're going to zoom you. We're just going to go zoom. I'm thinking in the back of my mind, morally this may not be done. This may not be the last time they switch this up. We've already got everything booked. This is, you're a kid, your goldfish died while you were at band camp and your parents flushed him down the toilet and they told you that he went to heaven. What you don't know won't hurt you as a kid. I'm figuring at that point you've already resigned yourself in your mind that you flew from New York to Nashville. Now you got a Nashville to Phoenix. Now you just know you're going to go to Phoenix to Atlanta. You've already girded your loins up mentally. You're zoned in. You're prepared for it. It won't hurt you if I don't tell you. Plus they may switch it back up on me at the last minute. So I have told them I'm going to be in Atlanta. I'm going to be in Atlanta. All's well, we do have to leave the game early, which I will admit sucked. And I hate that.

[A]

And created for some funny moments like when we got on the plane.

[D]

Yep. Thank you. And you missed your shot with Ray Lewis and Michael Phelps. And I hate that. Although I take zero responsibility for it, but I hate it. And we fly and we watch Carson Beck win the game. So it was a very, very colorful ride. And then you may take a little 20 minute nap. Not me because my seat wouldn't recline. But everyone else is able to take a nap. We eat some sushi. The only meal that we ate period on the trip was eaten together. Contrary to popular belief on another show.

[A]

Not sure what the news was.

[D]

It airs about 37ft from us right now. Yeah.

[C]

Can I take an official's timeout? Absolutely. Okay, let's back up a bit to last week when it's you're going to be at the venue. You're not going to be at the venue. You may zoom, you may not zoom. At any point did you communicate this to Will Compton?

[D]

I communicated it to Clump.

[A]

Oh, that.

[C]

Because as he's telling the story, that's a tackle for loss sack right there.

[D]

But didn't I document that? Didn't I just say that like I was in pretty constant communication with Clump?

[A]

You said jp.

[C]

No, no, no, no.

[D]

I was talking to Clump about travel. No, JP just defended my honor after the fact.

[C]

At any point did you communicate to Will that, hey, it could be from the venue, it could not be from the venue.

[A]

Josh, I love you.

[D]

No, when I told him, I told him I had to do it from the venue. Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, I booked it.

[C]

We were going to land in Stain, Arizona.

[A]

And then when I called Josh and.

[F]

Let him know what my understanding was.

[A]

He said, oh, that's not going to.

[F]

Work because I was going to do.

[C]

It live from Atlanta.

[D]

Yeah. So this point is at the point where we had originally agreed, let's do it from venue, then maybe we're going to zoom you. No, let's do it from venue. This point right here.

[C]

Got you.

[D]

This is what I'm talking to Claus. Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I never knew that it wasn't going.

[D]

To be then till.

[A]

Because I asked you on the ride There, what time you were going to.

[C]

Be live from the stadium.

[D]

And now we arrive in Atlanta. It's neon blue in the van. It's raining. It's 2:30 in the morning.

[A]

I'm staring out the window.

[D]

He's staring, is that Mars? Is that Venus? Like he's got that look in his eye. He's staring off into space. And he's asleep, but his eyes are wide open. And somebody asked, I think JP said, we're going to come with you to the stadium in the morning. What time are you going to leave? We may not even go to sleep. We're going to come over there with you. And I said, we're just going to do it from the hotel room. I tried to say it, I tried to say it under my breath. I tried to say it quiet enough. And then this happens right here. I'm looking out the window of the van.

[A]

Hold up, hold up.

[D]

You don't have to be at the venue. What are we doing here?

[C]

What are we doing here?

[A]

We could have been in Arizona. We could have gone to sleep.

[D]

And at that point you could just, you could laugh and you could hope it makes for good content. Do you really want to state your entire case that takes 15 minutes in a van at 2:30 in the morning. No one's going to remember it anyway. So I just decided to laugh it off, send him an edible Arrangement or something later and we'll, we'll just call it even. But what hurt me the most, uh oh, and this is out of my control, but what hurt me the most was the next morning. I didn't know how deep it had cut you until I saw the video of you guys eating breakfast basically across the street from me. And I'm on the TV clearly in my hotel room, and you're standing there watching Buddy tear.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What else?

[D]

Partially from laughing, partially from just empathy rolled down my face.

[A]

I'm watching him on, on first take, just seeing the hotel background like this dude just zooming in from his hotel room in Atlanta. Because all I'm thinking as I'm hearing this story, I said, but look, brotherhood isn't perfection. But when you communicate with each other and you know that you might be stuck in a situation. Hey, fellas, I'm just gonna get this out of the way right now. I might not have to be at the venue tomorrow, but they've been so wishy washy, I don't know if I'm gonna have to be there or not. For in case we think that we might want to stay in Arizona, we still gotta go. We still need to go to Atlanta. Because I have no clue what ESPN's thinking right there. The bag's passed. You've communicated like, there's no.

[D]

There's no.

[A]

There's no feeling you have in your body when you're trying to whisper it under your breath. Like, I'm just zooming in tomorrow. Because what you felt in that moment when you're saying that answer, like, okay, I'm kind of unleashing a lion from his cage.

[D]

I got to tell him the goldfish is dead. I got to tell him he didn't feed the goldfish.

[C]

It died.

[D]

I was having to do that thing where JP Sitting behind you. So I'm having to talk past your ear, hoping you're zoomed, you're zoomed out.

[A]

I'm looking at the window, just staring at the stars, whatever it is.

[D]

Wait a second.

[C]

Looking back on it.

[A]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I might have said timeout. Like, time out.

[D]

It took so long for you to stop looking out the window was what got me.

[C]

It's so funny because it's exactly how I told the story. Looking back on it, would you have communicated differently?

[D]

I think looking back with all the information I have now, when they originally switched it from stadium to zoom, I would have said, let's just keep it like that, because that was two days maybe. That was. That was before you and I talked about booking. So we would have been able to book however we wanted to. We would have been able to stay out there. We would have seen Carson Beck do his thing in person. We would have seen Mario Rage out on the field afterwards.

[A]

We would have seen the pass interference call live.

[D]

Who knows? Maybe you meet Ray Lewis in the postgame.

[A]

Maybe we're hitting a dance together. I do want to belt off with Michael Irvin.

[D]

I do want to say one thing. Like, the viewers of the bus were led to believe that it ripped your heart out not to be able to spend an extra day in Arizona. Like, you have such affection and such love for Arizona. I don't want to use the words you used when we were on our final approach into land. But first off, Clump finds out it snows in Arizona because he called it, and I quote, fake snow from the air. So he finds that out, and then every. We saw, like, a crater from an asteroid. We're learning all sorts of things about the topography of Arizona. You're basically running the Arizona Tourism Bureau on the plane. You do everything, but you have a speaker in your mouth. You're Literally, like a bus tour. You had some commentary on the state of Arizona, which led me to believe.

[C]

That, by the way, that wasn't cool.

[D]

You led me to believe it was no big deal to you. Like, hey, first bus out of here, I'm on it. I didn't really think it was a big. I thought I was doing you a favor.

[A]

You treated it.

[C]

I thought I was in the right moral. That's how you were treating Arizona. I'm trying to tell everybody how great of a state Arizona is, where it's located. All the things you can go do. Out of nowhere, Will goes, man, Arizona ain't.

[D]

He didn't even say Arizona. He just said az.

[A]

Yeah, I was doing one of them things where I'm looking out the window, I'm hearing Taylor hold court on how incredible Arizona is. And I'm just like. I have just a grin going on in my brain. Like, I'm just gonna throw out that, yo, Arizona sucks, bro. What are you talking about?

[C]

Sounds like a weekend of hurt. Sounds like everybody was kind of out to get each other this weekend. Could have communicated better. Wild, random shot at me being excited about my home state.

[A]

That's just ball busting, bro.

[C]

Oh, yeah, you're right.

[A]

Yeah, that's just ball busting. Whenever the moment came up and the 2:30 thing came up because I'm like assuming because again, what he hoped happened. Like, I didn't hear what he said. I think JP Might have just told me what Josh said. Isn't that what happened, J.P. you might have, like, tapped me. Hey, Josh doesn't have to be at all. You're telling me I didn't hear it?

[D]

No, no, you hit the.

[C]

Hang on, hang on.

[A]

You heard it just. But I want to say somebody might have, like, hey, did you hear what Josh said? But it was something like that. But either way, it's like, perfect opportunity for ball busting. Because I like the feeling he was explaining that he was trying to, like, have it under his breath. It's like, okay, yeah, we're doing it. Yeah, this is.

[D]

We're just going to do. We're just gonna do it from the hotel room. And then we had to walk home in the rain. We did pouring down rain after the game, which was a splattering. And we get out of there. Now, the good news is we got home before midnight, so that's nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

The bad news is Signetti owns Dan Lanning. That's the bad news. You guys had a couple of moments pregame. I saw it on the vlog. You Had a couple of moments.

[A]

Yeah. We were one that was. We were gonna post on Social and Lanny walked by in the tunnel and he, like, looked at me and he was, like, doing this. But by the time the caption was put together and Klump showed it to me, pick six, I was like, hey, put that away. Let's not put that out.

[C]

So just to put a bow on this conversation, Will started this way. You both start with, you guys are on opposite sides. You're about to go into a fight, play a football game against each other. Will goes in and says, I believe that. We both believe we're right. However, we can see the other side. And you said, I'll speak for myself. I don't see it that way right now. How do you feel at the end of this whole entire conversation?

[D]

I can't imagine that if I woke up in New York and I had to do a show and then I had to go pick up someone in Nashville, and then I had to go to Arizona, as bad as it may suck. And then I had to leave Arizona, and then I found out at 2:30 in the morning, after you've been up, what, 24 straight hours?

[A]

Something like that.

[D]

I can imagine I may rage out a little bit internally. I wouldn't show it. I'd keep a strong poker face. I can imagine that that would do something to me now. Would I be mad at me? Would I be mad at espn? Who's to say? Does it even matter at this point? No, it really doesn't. So I guess maybe morally I found some middle ground.

[A]

I love you.

[C]

Such a relief.

[A]

Such a glad we're friends again.

[C]

It's beautiful. But honestly, I'll just talk to you guys. Like, Josh Pate really just took no accountability and told Will, I still feel the same way. Your emotions are yours, and I'll shake your hand. And Will took that and was like, we're all good now.

[A]

Cause I know, I know, I know.

[C]

That's how I saw that all go down. And Will goes, I fucking love you. And really, you didn't even say. I could see it from Will's side. You're like, I can understand why Will is mad because all the things he had to go through.

[D]

But really, two things. I didn't say his name specifically. I just said someone. Yeah. And secondly, in the vlog, I thought the most poignant moment was, next morning, you guys are in the restaurant eating breakfast and you're just. You're just talking to the camera and you're airing out all your grievances and you're saying pace not even here right now.

[A]

If he was here right now, he.

[D]

Probably dropped some philosophical quote on me and I'd agree with it. That was the best part.

[C]

I've taken a couple more days. Still got that all done. We feel good about that. You guys are in a good place.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I know his heart. And he said, even though he was like, I don't understand the side, then when he says he, he. If he'd go back, he'd communicate like, that's all I needed to hear.

[D]

We got a couple of rings.

[C]

If the question ever came up, if someone ever asked, is Josh Bate for the boys? Is it 100% in your head? No. Yeah, he is 100%. Josh Pate would never hurt the boys.

[A]

Without question. He's for the boys.

[C]

That's beautiful.

[D]

I just need to shake your hand again. Very unselfish friend here. And to prove it, I'm gonna take you guys on a little adventure this spring. That's all I want to say right now. But that's all I want to say right now. That's all I want to say.

[C]

I'm so excited for that. That's going to be so much fun. Stay tuned. Stay tuned to that.

[D]

You said we may not come back from several predictions this year. But what I'm taking you on, we literally may not come back. And that's what makes it fun.

[C]

And just like when I was in college and playing football, if I don't come back, it's a good life.

[D]

Yeah. So I would have wanted to go.

[C]

Yeah, it's how I would have wanted to go. Let's start with these future picks.

[D]

All right.

[C]

Do you want to start with just going conference by conference, Heisman National Championship, or do you want to just look at the records right away?

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[A]

Back to this episode.

[D]

Man, I don't know if I want to do any.

[A]

There's another option. You guys watch Landman Boy.

[D]

Buddy, buddy.

[C]

We had a whole conversation on the plan about Landman and how it's not up to snuff this second season.

[A]

I still watch it.

[C]

Okay, what's going on? Did this last week turn around for you?

[D]

Can I just say there were some text conversations happening deep into the night about this. This dude right here. I don't care if you don't even host it with anyone. It's just you stream of consciousness. If you latch onto a show, let's say it's Landman. I would listen to a 10 part podcast series of you just airing your thoughts. Because like if you're vocalizing what I read last night, several paragraphs, not even waiting for a response, he's just, hey, you mind listening for a second? I got some stuff to say about Landman. I would listen to that.

[A]

I'll look into it. Yeah, we did we go back and forth.

[D]

I mean I said yeah, I was.

[A]

Rattling off a lot of things like he said something to spark the conversation because I updated him on the news that we learned about yesterday that we can't share on the show, but Josh texted me at yesterday 9:23. Please advise when you've watched a layman this week. First text back, I need Grandpa to take down the new pt. And then I just started to rattle off, you know, my thoughts on the show.

[D]

I didn't disagree with him.

[C]

Did this last week do anything for us? Because when we sat there, I'm like four weeks behind. I think I watched the first episode of season two.

[D]

It did the worst thing ever. It made you think the next episode could do something for you.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Damn. I might have to jump on.

[D]

Yep.

[A]

In a massive side story that again has nothing to do with the main storyline but could gain. Could garner a certain audience to be excited about what was happening in the side story.

[C]

Kind of like Stranger Things. So what does. Here we go all the time. So what does Landman have to do with our futures picks?

[A]

Just thinking about, I don't want this show to end. I don't want this season to end. I just want to hang with the boys and I know when we get to through the football aspect of it, the football portion, it's over.

[C]

It's going to be over. Yeah. All right.

[A]

What do you got with my picks?

[C]

No, I was just curious if people.

[A]

Have been watching Landman so we could talk about some Landman. Did you end up. You watched the entire episode?

[D]

Yeah, I got thoughts separate from yours that I won't use because they really are spoilers. But yeah, I got some thoughts. We'll offline it.

[A]

That's. That's the hard part is we're taught. Yeah. We talking about it now and it's only been a few days since it's been out.

[C]

Can I ask this, this side. This side story that has nothing to do with the main story, but you could see. Can you see the side story colliding with the main storyline somehow, some way?

[A]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah, I guess somehow, some way. But they could have done it differently. They just. The main. The main story of the entire show with like oil cartel war negotiations, all this stuff. Yeah. It's only in bits and pieces throughout the episode. The rest is filled up with nonsense with like the mom and daughter and the old people's home. I think Grandpa's getting shown quite a bit. I do love his one liners. He's got some good philosophical takes.

[C]

Grandpa's the guy that sits there every night in the wheelchair and looks out.

[A]

He's just watching the sunset.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And now he's. Now he's at the house. Him and Dad. I love seeing the bridging of the gap between dad and son in that storyline. But a lot of it, it's like, say it's a 50 minute show, 40 minutes of it is. Some of these side stories that you don't care for. Yeah, they're funny. They might make you laugh, but once they. Once it's ran its course a few times. Okay, what are we doing? Why are we building out an entire plot around this?

[D]

It's like someone showed up, said, we got ten 50 minute episodes to film. We've got about two episodes worth of meat here. What do we do? And someone in the back said, leave it to me. And then they just threw a bunch of fat in there.

[C]

Stick with me here. Wife, daughter, old folks home.

[D]

My advice to you was watch the show on 1.75 speed. Yeah, that was my first advice to you.

[C]

Which kind of sucks because he's been talking about. Will is always big on like a multiple multitude of shows. But Landman came up and I was sitting there with my wife, I think a week or two before the second season came out. And I was like, we should put this on. I heard it's great. And we flew through that first season and it was like, I am so excited. We waited till now to watch it because the second season starts like in four to five days from now. And then I watched the first episode. I like to lean back and kind of binge a little bit. And then when I check in with Will three weeks ago, I'm like, hey, has anything happened in Landman? He's like, not really. And then we have the conversation on the plane going to Arizona and you guys have your whole takes on. Basically what we're talking about now is like, there's not a lot of ass behind the show. Yeah, it's really just a lot of fat you could cut off.

[A]

There's some ass in the show.

[C]

It's ironic that you are doing bang.

[A]

You're doing exactly what you're accusing Landman.

[C]

Of on this show right now.

[D]

Wow.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

But hey, that's right though. He's right. Like, you can't get.

[A]

But this has been one episode true.

[C]

And we're really just prolonging this finale of. Is Josh and Taylor going to pick different teams going into the national championship?

[D]

Yeah, it's just. No one wants to go home.

[C]

No one wants to go home. We enjoy it.

[D]

That the last show of the tour. No one wants to go home.

[A]

By the way, great zinger over there by Demon.

[D]

That was A little uncalled for.

[C]

Yeah, a little uncalled. This is the truth. The truth. Hey, truth doesn't care about feelings. Futures picks.

[D]

Love, Landman.

[A]

I look at the futures pick saying, and for everybody at home that can see this card, there's only one green highlighted. There's only one green highlighted thing.

[D]

The whole sheet.

[C]

The whole sheet.

[A]

Taylor one and five will owe in six. Josh Owen, six.

[D]

This is for conference winners, conference winners.

[C]

Heisman winner, national champion. Yeah. Which I do take pride in, this national champion pick, because there's that graphic that came out last week with all the sports media figures, and there was only one individual that still there was alive in the hunt knowing that you had any.

[A]

I knew you're like, damn it, if I go back, I need to.

[C]

Yeah. But I'm kind of happy because then it wouldn't be what we have right now, which is two tied. Two individuals tied going to the national championship.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

You know how I looked at it?

[C]

How?

[A]

That graphic. I'm a year away. I was a year off.

[C]

What'd they say about Josh in that graphic, though? Homer?

[D]

Can you read them off?

[A]

So the national champion, Taylor, had Oregon. He's. And he was speaking about the on3 graphic that went out with all the college football personalities and the teams that they picked. He was the only one that had a team left, which was Oregon in the semifinal. Yeah. I had Texas and you had Alabama. Surprise, surprise.

[D]

Indiana, Oregon, Ole Miss, Miami.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Reasonably, at the beginning of the season, the only one of those teams anyone that I know of would have picked would have been Oregon. The other three, no one would have picked.

[A]

Right, Right.

[C]

Maybe Indiana second because they made the playoffs last year.

[D]

I never saw anyone picking, not with.

[A]

Ohio State sitting there like Michigan hadn't played the season yet.

[D]

Penn State was top five preseason. Remember that. And Indiana has got to go to Penn State. Don't forget what you know now. Think about what you knew.

[A]

Preston Morgan.

[C]

And I love that you said that, because Penn State, people that want to hate on Penn State now, like, that roster is still a top 10 roster.

[D]

In college football and was perceived to be top five. I mean, haters of Penn State were ranking them number eight preseason.

[C]

Yeah. So.

[D]

So Indiana had to go to Penn State had to go to Oregon. Plus, you got this whole idea in your mind that, man, now everyone's on to them. They're on everyone's radar. Certainly you got sophomore slump, potential. You got complacency. Now we know better, but you couldn't have known better at the beginning of the season. So I didn't see a single person pick Indiana to win the national title. I didn't see a single person.

[C]

On the topic of Indiana. A lot of conspiracy theories in the Internet right now.

[D]

Oh, there is. You know how the Internet is.

[C]

They go crazy. Hey, no one knows better than me in Indiana. People are saying that they're hacking Catapult. Mark Cuban, big investor. Is he the owner?

[A]

If you put the tinfoil hat on.

[C]

We'Re just putting a tinfoil hat on right now.

[A]

Mark Cuban is an owner in Catapult. Catapult is the technology that a lot of college football teams use to watch.

[C]

Film, break down plays, give coaches notes, track guys and how fast they're running, how much they're putting out from a VO2 match. And Mark Cuban, who's an alumni of Indiana, he owns that company or is a investor in that company. Do you know if there's any truth to this, Josh Pay?

[D]

I personally don't know if there's any truth to this. I can tell you there are some people that believe there's truth to it. However, I've told every single one of them, show me. And no one has shown me anything. Certainly, if you do to the college football world what Indiana has done, it's going to rub some people the wrong way because you're out of your place. Your place is to serve up a win to us. All of a sudden, you're not doing that anymore, and you look way better than we think you should be able to look. So instead of crediting you, we're going to be suspicious. I got no problem with that because I'm a little skeptical about things in life as well. Hey, how are they doing that? How are they getting that good so quick? They're less talented than this team. How are they running circles around them? Got no problem with that. I'm going to stop. Well short of just baselessly throwing out claims, but these people haven't stopped short. So I've asked. There's like half a dozen people that we're talking about whose opinions I at least somewhat respect. Some of them are outright in the coaching industry. So I've said to every one of them, you got any proof of it? It's all speculation. It's all speculation to this point. So what I'm gonna do is, until otherwise notified, I'm gonna laugh in people's face about it until I'm shown evidence.

[C]

Right.

[D]

That's all I can do.

[C]

You hate to be on the wrong side of that. One of my favorite things to do in early 2026 is to go on X, formerly known as Twitter, and get on these spaces. And with all the transfer portal stuff going on, I have like, These, you know, 1 percenter, Michigan Wolverine fan bases that start these spaces and they kind of break down the day of how the transfer portal went and stuff like that. And I've jumped in probably half a dozen of these. At some point, you can go anonymously or you can just show. You can show, hey, it's me in here. And I do. And every time we get into a conversation and I jumped in last night, they're breaking down Snowden and French and these guys who got in the transfer portal, everyone's real excited. But French, but French, they are saying, we're a national championship contender. I kind of fall back a little bit. Like, boys, we got to see some double element and see how good these coaches really are. But the topic comes up about Indiana and all these Michigan guys are just screaming like they have already drawn a line in the sand. These guys are cheaters. And I let them go for about 30 seconds before I hit them with the Will Compton looking out the bus. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[A]

Give me a time.

[C]

I go, if there's any fan base that should probably fall back about this, it's probably us. Let's sit back for a second. Like, well, we didn't do anything. I'm like, boys, hey, I'll hold that flag forever. However, three years ago, two and a half years ago, the same conversation was happening with Michigan. And there's a lot more evidence around that than there is around Indiana.

[D]

Wow, you held up the mirror.

[C]

Maybe we should just kind of fall back. To which they were like, fuck that they're cheaters. And I realize I love these group of boys.

[A]

That's the Internet, man.

[C]

Yeah. I can't wait to go to Ann Arbor for a game next year. Hopefully the Fall Don't Lie tour is there. We're there, and I have a couple of guys that I can't recognize at all to their faces, but they say, hey, you've been in my space. And we're like, boys. Just because that you don't know George Kittle. And guys being his DMs. Yeah. And then you go to parties that he hosts, Kittle Fest, and they're like, oh, how do you know George? We just DM'd him one day and we became boys. That's what I'm hoping happens throughout my spaces journey.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

I shake a dude's head and he's like, I'm like, so how do you know Taylor? He's like, I'm the. What is it? The Bryce unleashed.

[C]

It seems like he's the leader of the group. He's always going on the spaces. Yeah. And it's so funny to go through their timelines and to watch them be like, Bryce absolutely sucks. And then like three hours later, it's like, this kid's gonna be elite.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They just live that. Everything is just so emotional and I love to be a part of it. Feels like you really understand the fan base when you do that wouldn't change. I suggest anybody out there, especially you, J.P. like, there's a couple of spaces for South Carolina. Just go in there and just enjoy the conversation. It is fun, ma'. Am. It's a good time. But this is telling me that we sucked at our futures.

[D]

Who didn't?

[C]

Yeah. I'm going to get this because I do believe that your national champion. I have a suspicion that is going to be the same as same next year as it is this year.

[D]

You really think so? You think I was a year too early?

[C]

No, I think you're going to believe you're a year too early.

[A]

To where Alabama pay comes back out.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Should I let my dad make my picks for me?

[C]

You let your dad make your picks. Like, who's the new quarterback for Alabama? Keylon Russell. He's gonna start everybody's. Tell me how great that kid is. He'll win the Heisman.

[D]

Not even in the Heisman. Odds on fanduel right now.

[C]

Alabama won the SEC championship. Alabama won the Big 12 championship. Your dad will pick all them for every.

[A]

I've been seeing stuff too in the Alabama world about spending in nil, good or bad. Kind of like they're not keeping up with the times with the elite of the elite. They've always just handled it conservatively and it's just a. It's just a new age. And I don't know, I'm sitting there listening to these guys. I can't remember their names, but they're kind of talking about, you know, the Bama nil, the portal, the spending that goes on, the positioning that Bama uses that they think is leveraged but it's actually not leverage and hurts them because they're not trying to keep up with all the biggest spenders in the conference and trying to kind of get over that hump that every team's trying to get over of, like hating nil or resisting nil or feeling like you can do it a certain way and still. And still Win it all. Which, I mean, I guess you can, but I just didn't expect a team like Alabama to hear a fan base talking like that.

[C]

Yeah, the SEC is so interesting to me because, like, they've obviously been so dominant forever, and now this is the third national championship where no SEC team cannot win.

[D]

Next year, though.

[C]

And Paul Feinbaum even goes on live TV and says the Big Ten is the superior conference to the sec. I'm not sure what happened, but he's basically putting a full indictment in the entire SEC right now.

[D]

What do you think the issue is several fold. Number one, the Big Ten's allowed to try, too. So you could just have that there's somewhat of a cyclical nature of football. You could have that the NIL has changed the top of the tallest trees, or both of those things could be true. I think there's like a layer. It's not the top layer, but there's a sub layer that the SEC for so long had an edge, talent wise, that they knew. They roll out of bed every morning, and they have it not so much because they're great, but because of what geography was in college football. Because the SEC was willing to do stuff under the table that the rest of college football wasn't willing to do. You're basically paying kids to stay home. Like, it's not the toughest proposition in the world to convince a kid from Tuscumbia, Alabama, to play his football in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, or like Clarksville, to go play in Athens, Georgia. So I think they got a little lazy in the way they hire staffing. It's just a theory I'm working on. I can never prove this, but I think they understood it may behoove us to hire recruiters over coaches in the SEC because that's really our lifeblood. We need to maintain this massive talent edge on the rest of college football. Therefore, we don't need to win on the margins. We don't need to squeeze the sponge a little harder to get a few more drops out, like University of Illinois, Iowa, they gotta do that. We're Florida, we're lsu. We don't have to do that. So then the sport didn't change gradually. It changed pretty quickly. Over the last five years, it's changed pretty radically. And I think the SEC got caught with its pants down. And I also think the SEC got caught with buildings full of people that probably are 75% of what may be in those Big Ten buildings. From a pure standpoint of football acumen, an ability to coach and Ability to develop. Because for so long in the sec they knew we need to be C plus or B minus in those areas. We'll be fine. Athletes will just win for us. So I don't think there's any one thing like, yeah, you could say Nil changed things, which it did, but you got to get more specific on what it changed. And then from the SEC's viewpoint. Okay, well then let's get specific on whether that's permanent. Is this just cyclical? Does this come back around? Because, like, I grew up watching pro wrestling, huge fan of it. Like in the late 90s, as every kid my age was, all right, so you got wwf, that's on top for a long time. And then Ted Turner invests in WCW and then it blows up and then WWF takes a back seat for like 82 weeks in a row. They get beat in the Monday night ratings, then Stone Cold Steve Austin emerges and then they retake the throne. But from that point forward, it wasn't cyclical. WCW just died and it never was again. So, like, how does college football look? Is it just back and forth jockeying for position, or did Nil really just do something that permanently alters the landscape? I would imagine that's not true, but you never know. My crystal ball doesn't see that far in the future.

[A]

Love a good wrestling analogy.

[D]

Always.

[A]

I was a big WCW fan.

[D]

You were a nitro guy.

[A]

I was. I was Bill Goldberg. When Sting came over, Hulk Hogan came over. That was huge. You see the documentary with Vince McMahon?

[D]

Which one?

[A]

The one where it's essentially talking about all the doings, like when WWF was taking the backseat. Everything that you explained, I'm like, I'm remembering that documentary with Vince McMahon.

[D]

It's a fascinating period of time.

[A]

Yeah. And Ted, what was his name?

[D]

Ted Turner.

[A]

Ted Turner. Yeah.

[D]

On the Atlanta Braves. That's what, that's why I knew Ted Turner. He owned the Atlanta Braves when I was younger.

[A]

He was also a wrestler in wcw. Like him owning it, right?

[D]

Yeah. He owned wcw, he owned Turner, tbs, tnt, all of those things. And he used that ownership of TNT to get into the wrestling business and then give his brand WCW a prime time spot on Monday night to go head to head with wwf. Until that point, they were running unopposed on Monday night. You got two hour block of time on USA Network on Monday night. And then all of a sudden Ted Turner, a billionaire, comes into the room and says, I think I'm going to get in the wrestling business. And since I own a network, I'm going to Give my brand two hours of primetime TV on Monday night. And oh, by the way, we're going to go live whereas WWF was just taped at that point. And then we're going to start giving away their results on our live show to disenfranchise viewers from turning over to WWF program. It was lethal. All out war.

[A]

He was like, I'm going to join the show. He became a wrestler.

[C]

He was an actual wrestler.

[A]

Yeah, he was a.

[C]

Who owned a, a network company.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Took WCW and said, I'm going to make you guys the biggest in the show.

[A]

Hey, this guy named Join the chaos joined the show.

[D]

Yeah, this guy in the needle in.

[A]

His butt was joining the show. No, he's like nw. He was part of nwo.

[D]

Yeah, I don't remember that White nwo Eric Bishop.

[A]

Not like a part of it. Like he's one of the founders, but you know, just in it from his position going in and out of the world.

[D]

Listen.

[A]

But yeah, I remember him as like he was wrestling.

[D]

That's pro wrestling. That's all make believe. Ted Turner named himself manager of the Atlanta Braves for a game in the 80s. And then major League Baseball had to step in and say, that's not happening. So this guy in a real legit sport, one of the big four sports said, I own the team, why can't I be the manager? And then Major League Baseball had to step in and say, because you just can't. You gotta, you gotta retire.

[C]

Just be the owner.

[D]

Yeah. So he was one game manager and then he. I don't even know if he won, but he hung up the whistle.

[C]

So Wikipedia's gotta be crazy. All the accolades. A manager in the mlb, pro wrestler, billionaire, owned a, owned a cable, a network company. This is a world that you guys, I see both you guys eyes light up about that I never was invested in, ever.

[D]

Here's what fascinates me about it. All right? I think there's so many parallels to what we do to the world we're in. Like, I ingest a ton of podcasting about that topic from that era and I don't even care if you don't like wrestling. You can never have watched an episode of pro wrestling in your life. The parallels to the way the modern digital media ecosystem works so readily correlate with how pro wrestling worked in the late 90s. There's so many lessons to be learned. It just so happens that I also liked wrestling growing up. But even if I didn't, I could listen to that. Can you imagine people saying, we fill this show with fluff. And don't talk about college football enough.

[A]

This is just old school podcasting.

[C]

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[C]

Lenovo good, feel good. Play good. Let's get into the true classic game of the week.

[A]

All right, let's talk about Indiana and Miami.

[C]

Yeah, this is it, dude. This is the true classic game of the week. Every week's got games with only one fit just right. This is the true classic game of the week. We got the national championship Hard Rock Stadium in Miami and Miami is at home. But they are the way team playing Indiana who's favored by eight and a half and the total points in that game is 47 and a half. Right now you, Josh Pate, you're 44 and 44. I am 44 and 44. Will Compton is here as well.

[A]

But a couple good wins throughout the year.

[C]

Couple good wins throughout the year. You had a good showing. Yeah, like that. 40 and 48. What do you call it?

[A]

Respective, respectively.

[C]

Respectively. Like that's a good. That's. That's solid.

[A]

Don't patriotize it, man.

[C]

Now the line has to be drawn in the sand because two weeks ago we sat there at talking about the Rose Bowl.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

You looked me in the eyes and I actually looked you in the eyes and said if you're so confident about Alabama, take a money line. And what'd you say?

[D]

Already did.

[C]

You already did and that blew up.

[D]

Yeah, I died.

[C]

Now we have another opportunity where Indiana has a win margin of 31 points. They're now being talked about with the 2019 LSU and some of those Alabama teams. The best teams to ever be assembled while only having seven blue chip players.

[D]

Yeah. Which is insane. But the talk is happening.

[C]

Why do you think it's insane?

[D]

It's just I don't ever do the comparative thing. I never compared Barry Bonds and Babe Ruth for the same reasons. But I think that you're talking about teams, whether it's 2019 LSU or 2020 Alabama, that would skull drag any team that exists right now.

[C]

23 Michigan.

[D]

Yeah, exactly. They would skull drag 2023 Michigan, too. So this is only five years ago. That might as well be 50 years ago with the way college football has changed.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

And you don't need to do that. You don't need to go down the. It's like the LeBron Michael Jordan debate. I just never needed to do it. I think I got a crazy take that both of them are pretty good. I don't need to denigrate one to, like, build up the other. I don't need to take 20, 265 Indiana, a team that, if you want to tell me it's the greatest story in college football history, I'm not even pushing back on it and say, yeah, but, you know, the. Probably wouldn't beat 2019 LSU. All right. Probably wouldn't.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Nobody else would either. Probably wouldn't.

[C]

So the question is, are you taking Indiana?

[D]

I'm glad you asked.

[C]

Let me pull my pants down, make it a little more comfortable.

[D]

Nobody, including my own parents, has taught me more lessons in life than Kurt Signetti and the 2024, 25 Indiana Hoosiers. I think they got to teach me at least one more lesson. Because as of now, unless you talk me off of it in the next 10 minutes, however long this preview goes, my current plan is to pick Miami.

[C]

To win this game outright.

[D]

My current plan is to pick Miami for the show.

[C]

We'll do numbers.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

Because it sounds like you're doing Miami. I'm taking Indiana, dude.

[A]

Go with what your gut tells you.

[D]

My gut tells me if you think.

[A]

Miami money line, then God damn it, pick the Miami money line.

[D]

He just spent a week. Half a week. How long did you stay in Vegas?

[C]

I was there the same time you guys were doing the playoffs Sunday.

[D]

Oh, so like a couple of days. All right. So, I mean, you're speaking math. You're breathing in math and numbers like it's oxygen. This is second nature to you. So I walk in this morning before we start recording, and you're kind of trying to feel me out. I'm kind of trying to feel you out. You know, we're deadlocked. We got one game left. Someone's going to be able to walk away from this game saying, I had a winning year. None of those other two dudes did. That's how important this game is.

[C]

Which means more than we can even imagine right now.

[D]

Yeah, it's everything.

[C]

It is. It's everything.

[D]

And you heard because you would never watch my show the night before. You do a show with me.

[C]

Not anymore.

[D]

Never. You heard that I picked Miami plus eight and a half last night, but you also heard that I picked him to win the game outright. Right?

[C]

I heard you're taking Miami.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

From a, from a source.

[D]

And so you with a straight face like a true serial killer, would you look at me and you say, hey, we got to break our tie. You picking Miami outright? I said, yeah, let's just go moneyline. Like in a one off scenario where the picks are supposed to be 50, 50. Either way, it's really a true coin flip. I'm just going to forget the eight and a half points that I could get here and I'm just going to go Miami money line, putting the seesaw statistically with me totally up in the air and you totally on the ground and you thought I wasn't even going to be able to see through that. So I refuse the moneyline proposition because I'm terrified of Indiana because I know what the Rose bowl did to me. I'm still not back. I've showed up for the shows, but I'm still not really back from The Rose Bowl.

[A]

20 last week. 20 in the semis.

[D]

Luck. I was on the floor in the bathroom flipping a coin right before the show went on the air. It was pure luck. By the grace of God, I'm here and we get to pick this game. And I'm going to do it in reverse order. I'm going to give my pick and then give the reasons. So my pick is Miami plus eight and a half. Do I think they're going to win? Yes, I pick them to win. But my pick on the show is Miami eight and a half. We're going eight and a half, right?

[C]

Yeah, we're going eight and a half.

[D]

My pick is Miami eight and a half.

[C]

Line opened at seven and a half.

[D]

Let me ask you a question. Do you think Miami's best game is good enough to win this? Because you assume Indiana is just going to play the way they always play, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Do you think Miami's best game is good enough to win? Not cover you win. You think they're good enough to win?

[C]

I think they're good enough to win.

[D]

Okay. I do too. So I could. I got a bunch of things written on this piece of paper. But really it boils down to do. I think they're going to play their best game because Indiana is really good at knocking you off the tracks and derailing you. And you're like, why aren't we moving? Why can't we play our best game? Because they're really good at forcing you off of your fastball. This is the first game out of the games Indiana's played in the playoff or including the Big Ten championship game, honestly, where I don't just look at it and say on the line of scrimmage, that team's got to deal with Miami or with Indiana. Like, yeah, everyone's had to deal with Indiana. There are a handful to deal with line of scrimmage. This is the first game where I actually have looked at Indiana and said, yeah, you guys got to deal with them too. Because I really think Miami can do some damage on line of scrimmage. Now what does that mean for the game? To me, it means it becomes a little bit harder for Indiana to just control the game on the ground. Like, they've been really good running the ball. They're so lethal on third down. They're like first in the country by a mile on third down offense conversion rate. Because it's always third and two. Cause it's always third and one. I think Miami not only possesses the ability to stone them against the run a little bit, but not necessarily, like have to commit a bunch of numbers to do it. Miami kind of is good at doing what Indiana does, which is stopping the room of four.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And so you can't really stretch the field where it's hard to do it. You also can't run the ball. So I think Miami can do that. And at that point, it really just comes down to is Fernando Mendoza in the same zone he was against Oregon? Because if he is Indiana, we'll just win the game. Because no one's beaten Indiana if he's in the kind of zone he was against Oregon. If you took away the turnovers in the Oregon game, Indiana's still winning that thing handedly just because of the zone that Fernando Mendoza was in. So question becomes, can you stop the run? I think they can enough. And then can you get after him enough to where? I don't think he's going to throw like three picks or anything, but he's not in the same kind of zone he was against Oregon. He's just human. And then you pull that offense back down to earth and you can ugly up the game, which they're comfortable with. Indiana is, but you ugly up the game and you give that size differential a chance to manifest itself in the fourth quarter. You're averaging 330 on your O line. They're about 270, 275 D line, which hasn't mattered all year because they're really, really good technicians. But I also think Miami's really good in that compartment. And if I can get this thing into the fourth quarter, it's one possession or tied either way. I trust Miami's ability to get over the finish line here, so that's why I took them to win. But that style of game really makes me eager to take the eight and a half. So that's why I took the eight and a half.

[C]

Yeah. Both teams have the ability to do what they want to do all year to each other.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

Right. They want to run the ball effectively, they want to control the line of scrimmage, they want to get into third and manageable situations.

[D]

Here's what concerns me.

[C]

Go ahead.

[D]

You're right. I haven't seen Indiana be the victim of like critical mistakes all year. I've seen Miami be the victim of critical mistakes. So, like, my entire thinking here is they avoid the critical mistakes. Indiana's like, they're just cruising altitude. Miami's like, we could maybe get up to 42,000ft, but we could fly at 28,000ft the next week. So I'm just rolling the dice that they hit 41,000ft in this game.

[C]

Right. That is the point of which I look at Indiana and I'm like, this is a team that is going to win the national championship because you can run the ball effectively. I love, I love the note about the offensive line. They're averaging 330 versus defense. That's averaging 270. However, the gap integrity that the defense has is absolutely incredible. When you get to third down, they, they, I think their, their defense is like 31% of allowing offenses to, to convert. I believe that's the correct percentage. They just don't make mistakes. The game they made the most mistakes in was the first game against Oregon. They had multiple false start issues, clock management issues. But then you get to a two minute situation when there's 20, 28 seconds left on the clock and Fernando Mendoza does what he does best and that's hit the outside the numbers to Surratt and Cooper throwing back shoulder throws once the corners have turned their shoulders. I've talked to Will about this a million times. Like, Fernando Mendoza runs more RPO than any other quarterback in the entire college football landscape. And when you're as a defense, if you're trying to stop that and you're trying to stop the run, yet you have Cooper running a quick slant which gives you a read. And you have Surat, who's running a vertical when he has press coverage against.

[D]

Him, and Becker, who's a stud.

[C]

Yeah. So you have these guys that he has multiple outlets on every single play, essentially, even though they are a 50, 50, we're going to run it or pass it to where we have this get out of jail free card in these areas because Cooper's going to run this three yard slant, have enough separation to move the ball five yards. Or I got Surat, who's got the cornerbacks shoulders already turned and I can throw that 15 yards downfield and he's just going to turn to it and stop. And it's either going to result in a pass in our DPI or it's going to result in a contested catch that we've seen Surat convert over and over and over again throughout the entire season.

[A]

Question. Question. Go ahead or my the status on Miami's corners.

[D]

O.J.

[A]

Frederick, some of them went down.

[D]

Yeah. O.J. frederica is the one. They're still, as of yesterday, still iffy on, which is a huge deal to monitor. We're still what, five days away from the game as we're recording this. So there's no real way to know because I don't think they'll know until the weekend. But it looks like Mazador is good to go. The other guys who were banged up, it looks like they're good to go. I think O.J. frederick, who is a very, very important player here, when you're talking about what you're talking about, I think he's still questionable. I think that's the status because the.

[A]

Back shoulder chemistry that Mendoza and Seurat have.

[C]

Yeah, it's not just Surat, it's, I mean, Cooper as well. They can switch. They're interchangeable as far as like throwing that ball. And I've asked Will a couple of times, like, how do you defend that if you're a defensive player? And there's really no answer for it.

[A]

Like those guys are playing like Ole Miss was competitive and trying to get some of these balls away. And Surat, 13, the strength he has, he has in his hands to come down with it. It is just, it's impressive to watch.

[C]

They're winning games by, I think, plus 31 point differential on average throughout the year. They're blowing out Teams, they're, they're doing things that we haven't seen in this new landscape of cultural playoff. Like if you look at teams that have had buys in the last two years, there's only been one team that's won, that's had a buy, and it's been Indiana. So like, regardless of circumstances, history, stats, you use the perfect analogy of they're just cruising at this altitude and there's not a whole lot of turbulence. And anytime we have seen turbulence, whether it be early in the Oregon game, the first time they played, or against Penn State when they had to go back and have a two minute drive to win the game, they've handled it, they've handled adversity. And so when I look at these teams and I'm being as cautious as I can not to be like super critical of Miami because I think they're a fantastic team, but it really just comes down to who this game is all going to be, who makes the least amount of mistakes. And I said it last week on espn, if Carson Beck has two minute drill against Ole Miss, what's going to happen? And I say bluntly to the camera, Ole Miss will go to the national championship. That exact situation took place at the game you guys were at. And Carson Beck marched his team down the field and now is in the national championship. So I have a lot more respect and Carson Beck has a lot more in his bag than I even expected to him to have. Malachi Toney, absolutely incredible, opens it up where you have to allocate two guys to him while you have a back like Fletcher, who is ripping the rock for like six yards per carry. So they have a lot of things going for them. But at the end of the day, dude, it's who makes a mistake, who has more Emmys, who doesn't handle the clock the best. And that edge is severely on Indiana's side. That's why I sit back and I'm like, yeah, eight and a half points is a lot, but I think There were what, 10 points against Alabama. They've had larger spreads throughout this. I think Oregon was four. And then they, yeah, so they've been, they've handled business every single time, every single game throughout this process. When you're like, hey, this is a good feel good story. And now we catch ourselves where they're in the national championship. It's, they're undeniable at this point to where if you go the other way, unfortunately, you have to learn a lesson. And the lesson is 44 and 45, big Nettie big Nettie. Big Nettie.

[A]

I feel like I'm watching the national title take place right now.

[C]

The savviness and moxie of Big Nettie, he's, he's unfazed. He has every, he has everything when it comes. They scored touchdowns, they get interception. His face is stoic. He's focused on the process over and over and over again. And he's got a quarterback that just is all about the team. He is the George Kittle of quarterbacks in the sense of it's all about the team. Like, don't even focus on me. Don't even look at me. It's about the team. Now you got him being black in the backfield too. That are a one, two punch that always happened to spring a big run and then always fall forward in situations. It's gonna be a great matchup. I think it's gonna be like one of the bloodiest first quarters we ever see. And it's who flinches first. And Indiana has refused to flinch all year.

[D]

I'm waiting on that moment that you just talked about. Like I'm taking Miami, which means I gotta go against Indiana. Even if the game starts out okay. Miami gets a 30 lead. Indiana touchdown, 7 to 3. Another field goal from Miami. Man got in the red zone, couldn't convert. But that's okay. One point game early. Second quarter, back and forth, it's really kind of a struggle. No one has that clear edge. Even if I get that game, you would think, oh, he's comfortable. The game's kind of settling in. Miami's getting their game script. It's Indiana. You're just waiting for that three minute period where they score and then someone botches something on the ensuing kickoff and they get it and they kick another field goal and it's just a 10 point score swing in a minute and a half. And then you go three and out and they got the ball at midfield and then they're driving and you're looking and saying, wait a second, it was just a tie game. They're up 10, about to go up 17 and oh wait, they get the ball to start the second half.

[C]

Yeah. And then they double up on you. Now it's 17 terrified, dude. Their operation on two minute is incredible. I go back to that Oregon Indiana game in Eugene. Oregon is 28 seconds on the clock and they're, they're like the 26, 27 yard line. And they do, what most people do in that situation is they run the ball and it's like, hey, if we Get a big chunk. We'll start to press it down the field. They have multiple timeouts and they end up getting 12 to 15 yards, a Hemi around the left side and then it's just chunk play after chunk play where guys are running outs, they're catching the ball even two feet. They're having NFL catches and they're just moving the ball five, 10 yards, 15 yards to the point where they're on the 37 yard line and they kick the three. And it's like that is operation. That is coached. That is everything that these players go in. They're like, oh, 28 seconds, two timeouts. That's no problem.

[D]

We're good. Let's go score.

[C]

We've operated that. We've operated over and over and over again. What gives me pause about Miami because they have the ability to do all the same things. I just talked about the Indiana. You float back to SMU and Louisville and it's like Indiana doesn't have those blips in the red. They have never showed us. They've only in the words you used about Ohio State is. So many teams have given us question marks after big games. And then at the time you said Ohio State has only given us answers. Now it's Indiana in that position where all year, well, yeah, Miami lost to this team, Notre Dame. Should they be in Texas? Like they just beat the number one team, Texas. There's a lot of question marks taking place, but Indiana has only given you answers every single weekend deep into these playoffs in the national championship.

[D]

Here's what I wonder.

[C]

So what changes?

[D]

Yeah, here's what I wonder. I think Miami did show you several blips in the Ole Miss game. Like, I think there were two 10 point swings they left on the table in the Ole Miss game. Now you can look at that one of two ways you could say there are the things that will cost them against Indiana. They were in plain sight and you ignored them. Or they go on to beat Indiana and you look and say it turns out their most vulnerable moment was against Ole Miss. But Ole Miss just didn't cut the head off the snake. And so they didn't have to learn their lesson with a loss. They learned their lesson, but they still won. And they applied it, cleaned everything up and they played their best game in the biggest moment against Indiana. Obviously, I'm banking on the second scenario for my pick, but I don't know.

[C]

And we also haven't really talked about how that last play for Ole Miss, Trinidad Chambliss in the back left of the end zone was easily a dpi. That could have a lot of.

[A]

Yeah, it is. But a lot of those are place.

[C]

To where we could be talking about a different team playing against Indiana Miss National Championship could be just.

[A]

You'd also, you'd also argue on Miami side how you letting Ole Miss get in the position to throw a Hail Mary like that. I would have loved to have seen an extra play just for the theatrics. Yeah, absolute football.

[C]

Like at the end of the day, Miami deserved to be in that game. I'm, I don't want to take any, anything away from Miami. I just think when it comes to complete mistake free football football that you look at, it's like how do we beat him? It's like hope they fuck up. And hope is help gets you killed. And unfortunately I think Miami gets killed in this one.

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[C]

Where are you going?

[A]

I don't even know. I'm trying to break down. Watch this national title unfold with both of you guys. I personally think my gut tells me Indiana is going to win this game but 8 and a half is too many points. I'm going with Miami plus 8 and a half. I agree with you guys. Laid out so many different angles perfectly when I was leaving both of these games. My initial reaction is Indiana is going to kill this team. But then when you look at when you go back and actually dive into the game of Miami, drop four picks, those 10 point swings that we were talking about on the plane. And also Carson Beck has these moments where fortunately they were incompletions but he hasn't. The ball's always there to be picked off. Like if you're Ole Miss, Ole Miss. It nears the defense and plays at that level like Indiana does to where again, we're in the conversation of Indiana. They never really have a false step. They never make a whole lot of mistakes. Like Indiana will make you pay for those kind of throws, but it's more of the rolling the dice, hoping we get an incredible football game and Miami's going to play their best football because if they do like they have, again, they match up well with Indiana. The beef that they have up front on both sides of the ball matches up really well with Indiana. Their ability for Fletcher to run the football. Carson Beck, he's been playing much better to where I'm trying not to, where I've always allowed myself to get caught in the SMU in Louisville. Like I've been a hater of the ACC all year long. Now they have. Not only did they handle one of the best defenses in the SEC in Texas A and M, and handled the best defense in college football at the time with Ohio State, which Indiana beat them, what, 13 to 10? And Miami just out physical Ohio State in the fourth quarter and took it away, snatched the soul from Ohio State.

[C]

And then it was closer than the.

[A]

Scoreboard and then showed that they. Okay, are they going to be able to keep up with the high powered offense of Ole Miss? Like, how's the defense going to look? And I was getting so pissed off when they kept dropping interceptions because one of them is a pick six. Another one's arguably a pick six to where if they capitalize on those mistakes like, this game is going to be incredible. But Indiana, when I fantasize about their story, I feel like this crew right here, let's say 20 years from now, you look back and realize this could be the only 160 team that we see in college football because of all the parody that's coming into the sport to where we look back 20 years from now and like, yo, we got to witness that game like in person, go to their semifinal game and just see that the storylines unfold throughout the year, knowing that Indiana was just a shitty football team throughout the history of college football. So I fantasize about that. I fantasize about Miami. The confidence, the swagger, the attitude that this team always had in the college football landscape as we were growing up. And then you're trying to tell this generation about Miami and since Cristobal has gotten there, you've seen these windows of opportunity, whether it's situational football that gets him beat, mental lapses, the penalties that get them beat. In years past, they had a very like, when I look at the Ole Miss game, that they just had recently. They had some penalties that they. That was very uncharacteristic of what this team has done throughout the year to where you sit back and almost go, oh, Miami's kind of being Miami right now with some of these penalties, some they didn't even get called for. But again, seeing Miami, if they can get over this hump and win this national title to where the U is back, I know Crystal Ball hates that. I fantasize about that. I think the points are too long. So I'm going with Miami plus eight and a half just because I believe like as far as the trenches go, the defense being, if they're able to be more opportunistic if they get those opportunities on Mendoza because again they can stop the run with a lighter box because they have the catch. Which means defensively you have those extra guys for the RPO situations. It's just who's going to win the 50, 50 balls when you get those back shoulders competing against Surat and Cooper and those receivers. But I'm taking Miami plus eight and a half.

[C]

One thing you brought up too, when you're talking about Carson Beck is like, he's, I mean this is his seventh year in college. This is it, this is, this is it. This is it for him right now. And you see his level of maturity taking place throughout the playoffs where he's got younger guys around him. He's got a lot of guys that are like, you know, barely able to drink, 20 years old, 19 years old. And he is just being a, he's being a fantastic leader for that team because of his age and how long he's been able to see the game. And it's like that's, that's a really cool story. But then you look at Indiana, they have 44 players that are 24 and 25 years old. Like they're the oldest team in college football. And it's that level of maturity because we've all been.

[A]

You see the level of maturity too.

[C]

At the college age where you get to college, you know someone's got, you go out and have like a case race and you like really are like, yo, I'm out of, I'm out of. I can booze, I can do all this. You're partying, you're kind of like learning about yourself as an individual. Now you're out of your parents house. But then you get to like 23 and you're like, kid, that was a lot of fun. But now I'm going to slow down because your brain Just starts to be like, these really aren't the important things. This is where I need to focus. Yeah.

[D]

These guys are reading newspapers in the morning.

[A]

Breakfast table.

[C]

Yeah. So I look at this team that has 44 players that are 24 and 25 years old. They're not worried about the frat houses and the house parties, the bars, all those things. These are grown adults. These are grown ass men.

[D]

The phrase when I was your age has come out of the mouth of several Indiana players.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Listening to the young bucks talk about how sore they might be or.

[D]

I remember those days.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

All those guys say, calling them fresh legs, man, must be nice to be as young as you.

[D]

One day, you'll be in this spot.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like, well, I won't be another Covid, so we won't. Hopefully, I'll be in the league.

[A]

I'm excited for this game. It's because, again, walking out of those. Both those playoff games, my initial gut in the second game we got to watch was Indiana, Oregon. And just seeing the ass for that Indiana put on Oregon. It's like I'm walking out of there thinking, yo, Miami doesn't have a chance. But every day that goes by, the pendulum swings for me mentally, for whatever reason, it just swings more toward Miami because, like, this team's got everything that they need.

[C]

The.

[A]

The offensive line. Like, I'm standing up there. I don't know how many times I'm patting JP And Clump on the shoulder. Like, look at that offensive line. I don't know if it was the all whites making them look so big, but who's. What's the name of the left tackle?

[D]

Markel Bell.

[A]

Markel Bell, for the love of God. And we're up in a suite, and I'm like, yo, these dudes are massive.

[D]

I think Bell's the biggest player in the sport. He's the biggest human I've seen in the sport in several years.

[A]

It is nuts. And then the cats that got across the line of scrimmage on defense with Mezador and Bane, it's. They. They have it all there. And I love you. You can just feel the identity that they have taken with Crystal Ball. And I love seeing Crystal Ball getting in the post game pressers or the. The meeting he did the next day where he's going back and forth with Saban, he's going back and forth with Scott Van Pelt after the game.

[D]

Like, it.

[A]

It makes me just. Just root for it.

[C]

Yeah. I had that same exact feeling about Oregon and Indiana and that was the result we got.

[A]

If I swing the other way. Every Indiana fan you meet when we were out there in Atlanta, incredible, man.

[D]

They just like pat you on the head. They smile and they say, it's okay. You picked against us a few times this year. It's okay, man. We get it.

[C]

We would too.

[A]

Not even we get it. Like, I didn't believe it either. Hey, we're smiling.

[D]

You know, we're all on this ride. Yeah, we love you. Anyway.

[C]

At what point does that fan base. Because they are. Obviously you've brought it up. How they've been as long as football has been going on and Indiana Hoosiers have had a football team. They've been bad up until these last two years. At what point does that fan base flip to we're so excited to be here to we expect this.

[A]

I don't know, bro. I was quicker than.

[C]

We think we know what a little bit of success. Success does some people's heads.

[D]

It's there.

[C]

It's already.

[D]

From this point forward, I think they're there.

[C]

So let's assemble the playoffs next year. Because you have to believe at this point, Indiana's gonna be in the playoffs.

[D]

Next year, I would assume. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, right. And let's say they go into the first round, they might beat up a muffin, a G5 muffin. And then they go and play a real team and they lose. Are Indiana fans like this Signetti guy?

[A]

I don't.

[D]

Especially if they win Monday night by 3. But if they win Monday night. No. If you win a title, you're set. They can miss the playoffs the next year. And you say, hey, man, everybody has to hit the reset button. Why should we be any different? I just wonder. And I could say the same thing about Mario. When you get this close, because it's not the BCS anymore where it's just two teams finish their season, voila, you're.

[C]

In the game, right?

[D]

Miami had to win three to even get in this game. Indiana had to win two and really three because they had to beat Ohio State, too. So they both had to go through it to get in this game. And you get so close and you. You lurch for the belt, but you just miss it off your fingertips. You fall to the mat. That feeling in the expanded playoff era, it must make you feel like it's so borderline impossible to get all the way back there again. Think about how many things have to go right for us to get all the way back there again.

[C]

It's a big climb. Everything you just Said to me, made me think, man, I wish you would get into NFL football a little bit, because that's the playoffs. You play the wild card division, the championship, and then you go super bowl. And it's like you get right there and you never. It's like you never go back. And I feel like you would enjoy the storylines taking place in the NFL.

[D]

Can I tell you a secret?

[C]

Go ahead.

[D]

None of you are going to believe this. I've watched every playoff game.

[C]

No, you haven't. Who do you like right now?

[D]

Let me float you a theory.

[C]

Go ahead.

[D]

Caleb Williams. Pretty good player.

[A]

Pretty good player.

[D]

Pretty good player.

[C]

Good take.

[D]

Pretty good player, right?

[C]

Elite.

[D]

I think that chapter of his book is yet to be written. Elite moments the other day.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Talk about changing the fate of an entire city on that fourth down throw.

[A]

Fourth and eight. That throw. It's not just in the elite category. I feel like it's making its own category because. Because that's how unbelievable it was.

[C]

That throw, to me, was the best throw I've ever seen in my entire life.

[A]

I noticed that Josh was watching some NFL football because he had a tweet. And then at halftime, I shoot Josh a text. I'm like, splattering in Chicago.

[D]

Oh, my goodness.

[C]

Oh, I saw that.

[A]

What'd you end up saying? You're like, I need one more touchdown.

[D]

First off, I told you because it was 21.3. And I said, you can't do that yet. You can't do it because my biggest fear is premature splattering. A lot of people have fears about other premature things. My fear is premature splattering because if you tweet out, it's a splattering in blank. And then that team comes back to win. That's the ultimate freezing cold take. You will never live that down. I've never suffered a premature splattering. You wanted.

[A]

You never suffered a premature splattering. Never.

[D]

Never close. Never even close. So I've waited until the game's for sure over to say it's a splattering. But it's an inexact science. And at 21 to 3, you texted me privately. I didn't reveal this. You just revealed this. You said, it's a splattering in Chicago, and I said, can't do it yet. Maybe one more touchdown and we can do it. We can't do it yet. And sure enough, Chicago comes all the way back to win. I screenshot the text, but I marked your name out.

[C]

That was you.

[D]

And I tweeted it out. And I said, I hope it never comes out. Who sent this to me? It just came out.

[C]

God. So I sat there.

[A]

I still wish we could go back and he could tweet that out. Just because the whole. Just stay in college football. Everything that would come from just be so funny.

[C]

But yeah, you would love. You're watching it. You're enjoying it right now a little bit, aren't you?

[D]

Where's John Harbaugh going?

[C]

Not to the Titans as much as K. Adams wanted me to say yesterday.

[D]

Wow.

[A]

Do we have any inkling of who the Titans might be getting?

[C]

I. I have not my ear to the ground at all today. They said Harbaugh is one of the favorites for the Titans. Like top three.

[A]

That's Clump right there.

[D]

It's a nice place to live.

[A]

Source of Clump.

[C]

It's a great place.

[D]

It's a nice neighborhood.

[A]

Decent source.

[D]

I am.

[C]

I am hoping it's Arthur Smith. I am hoping it's Arthur Smith.

[D]

Non selfishly. No selfish tie to that whatsoever.

[C]

Non selfishly.

[D]

No. Absolutely.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Just for the betterment of the franchise.

[C]

I want the Titans to be great. I think Arthur Smith is the man to make them great. And that mustache. He gets it. We feel good. So you're. You're.

[A]

I'm going Miami.

[D]

I thought you were going to take a total on the national title game. That's what I thought you would do about it.

[A]

Which would be just like play up both things. I'm taking the over.

[D]

Give me the over.

[C]

It's gonna be a great game.

[D]

It is.

[C]

And honestly, good luck to you.

[D]

Thank you.

[C]

It'll be fun to watch.

[A]

47 and a half.

[C]

That's over. That's an over game.

[A]

Could be.

[D]

Could be under.

[C]

Indiana gets up big. Indiana gets up. Miami starts to press and then they either come back or Indiana. Indiana takes advantage and picks more points. But it'll be.

[A]

So you think this is going to be it? Indiana is going to like handle.

[C]

Well, the game is.

[A]

Handle the game.

[C]

The game is eight and a half. Indiana sphere by eight and a half. Like, I'm taking Indiana eight and a half. I believe we have a potential splattery on our hand.

[D]

Where do you.

[C]

Where we sit back in the like going into the fourth quarter going, oh no, bro. They really did it with this level of talent. Like this might be the best coaching we've ever seen in our entire lives.

[D]

How do you. It's 10 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. What's the commentary in the game? Is it a one possession game? Is it still nip and Tuck or are Fowler and Herb street already eulogizing Miami and they're already crystallizing what the story of Indiana is and everyone's already worried on Miami message boards about which quarterback we're going to get in the portal. Like, where is the mind? 10 minutes to go in the game.

[C]

I see this game where they're sitting there and Fowler's going on and on about Indiana and how great of a season they have and they've really gotten over the hurdle and look how amazing this is. And there's going to be a. There's going to be a moment where it sparks in Kirk Curbstreet's head where it's like, we've been giving a lot of flowers to Indiana. He's going to switch it. He's like, indiana has been amazing, but we also have to give a lot of credit to Mario Cristobal and these Miami Hurricanes. People want to talk about the U being back. The U is back. Regardless of the circumstances of what's happening in this game right now, they're going to have a big future ahead of them. That is kind of what in my head is going to take place.

[D]

Sounds like either way, it's a double digit lead for Indiana at that point.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

So it's out of reach. Like games, games decided.

[C]

You just wait. Fowler will be sitting there and they'll be back and forth about how great Indiana is, but Kirk's going to be the one to flip the script on. Let's also talk about how great Miami is. That's what's going to take place in this game.

[D]

It's pretty anticlimactic. I guess it's right in line with what Indiana.

[C]

To me, this is a bow on a great college football season.

[A]

Yeah. But don't you want to see something down to the wire, just.

[C]

No doubt. I think we all would. I mean, not based on the show, I don't, but I think if Indiana goes and they do what they've done this entire playoffs to everybody they played against, it's a perfect bow to be like, this logo has never sniffed this. Like, this has been one of the coolest seasons we've ever watched, we've ever been a part of. I don't know if it's because we've dove into it more than ever as individuals or the show or it's actually that good.

[D]

It's that good.

[C]

And it's like if Indiana takes it here and you can say a lot about Miami as well, like the U being back, you know, the 90s nice tales whenever that the U was. It's like, that's. That'll be exciting as well. But seeing that logo hoist a trophy after a dominant win is like, this might have been the best year of college football ever. And that's what's exciting.

[D]

Hey, can I tell you something?

[C]

Go ahead.

[D]

I think it was the best year either way, really.

[C]

Best year for us.

[A]

Well, if it's Vince flipped on the other side that he's talking about, it's a close game.

[D]

We could have ended on that. Really could have ended right there.

[A]

Like you're saying, it's going to be a big win for Indiana and it's going to put a bow on the greatest or the best college football we've seen. And he's like, I think it's the best college football we've seen either way. And I'm like, well, the other side of it is just a barn burner of a game that we all love. And we're like, damn, what a year of college football. Either way, we're all winning.

[C]

Either way. We've won. But now I have to find out who wins.

[D]

Yes.

[C]

Because the only thing that matters is record. Exactly. Exactly.

[A]

And again, before the show, Clump was saying that we have a verbal commitment for the show next year.

[C]

I didn't know if we were allowed to announce that we ran applause for.

[A]

But hey, no, no. I think we applauded over on the other side. But now we got to remember we're in the world of college football. We got to still recruit verbal commitments.

[C]

Don't make it. Talk to them. Take them out to a contract isn't signed. We can't wait till April, though. Reach back out to pay.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Hey, let me ask you, did something happen recently to you? What's the deal with the verbal commit? I mean, you really forcefully said that. Did something happen? Okay.

[A]

Just learning about what goes on. Even the contract, I guess could be signed and you could pull a demon Williams.

[D]

I may go do a show with Will Stein.

[A]

You should. And you should zoom in or call me and FaceTime me in at some point.

[D]

You guys buried the hatchet, though. I saw you talking about. I saw you and we had a good little conversation.

[A]

We had a good little conversation. We have a common friend that we were both close with that we were kind of also growing our friendship over.

[D]

Okay. That's what it's all about.

[A]

So you want to come to a Kentucky game? Nobody. You come out to Kentucky for the spring tour.

[C]

No, I'll say this about Nebraska because it Always comes back to Nebraska on this show over the last three years. This is the most excited I've been to watch Nebraska this next season.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

This quarterback, this UNLV cat, I can't even pronounce his name. We've done it six times yesterday.

[A]

Anthony.

[C]

I fucking love him. Haven't met him, saw one clip. I'm obsessed with him.

[D]

Magic in his legs.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Live arm. That was the scouting report.

[C]

3,600 yards last year. And the kid, he's got the juice.

[A]

Yeah, he's got the juice.

[C]

Nebraska's in a great spot.

[D]

Spot.

[C]

Some say the best spot in recent years.

[D]

You're too good.

[A]

In a fitting end to the show, Josh Pate completely punted on saying if.

[D]

He'S verbally committing to coming back next year, isn't that fitting?

[A]

It's a fickle game. It's a fickle game out there.

[D]

Reportedly, I am. I'm reportedly verbally committed. Isn't that accurate?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Klump's reporting it.

[C]

I'm reporting it.

[A]

Has Nikos put it out there yet?

[D]

He has not put it out there yet. I don't have a graphic yet.

[C]

We'll make you a graphic, Cooper. Boom.

[D]

Can't go back on that. If recent history's taught us anything, you can't go back on the graphic.

[C]

I love it.

[D]

I feel good about it. Yeah, I feel good about it.

[A]

Feel good.

[C]

All right, boys. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Thank you for an amazing year. Let's give round applause to everybody here. All the boys beaming in the back, producing the show. It's been an amazing year. Thank you. Big hugs, tiny kisses.

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