Kalen DeBoer On Alabama vs. Vanderbilt; Greg Olsen, Will Compton, & Taylor Lewan Recap NFL Week 5

Summary

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Title: Kalen DeBoer On Alabama vs. Vanderbilt; Greg Olsen, Will Compton, & Taylor Lewan Recap NFL Week 5
Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Featured Guests: Kalen DeBoer (Alabama Head Coach), Greg Olsen (NFL Analyst)

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Episode Overview

This packed episode dives into college football’s wildest moments, including Alabama’s win over Vanderbilt with Coach Kalen DeBoer, deep conference shakeups, and rumors swirling around coaching jobs (looking at you, Penn State). In the NFL segment, Greg Olsen joins to lay out nuanced takes on Week 5: from the Vikings’ quarterback carousel to Dak Prescott’s MVP campaign and the ongoing drama in Philly. Expect locker-room honesty, passionate debates, and no shortage of memorable moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. College Football Recap: UCLA-Penn State, Nebraska, and Coaching Rumors

Timestamps: 03:38 – 16:52

• UCLA & Penn State Drama:

  • UCLA described as “six feet under” after a dismal season start; makes a comeback against Penn State despite only two days to prep.
    • “UCLA, they're dead, right? They're six feet under. They've already—the body is cold…” – Taylor (04:43)
  • Interim coach creates an “Electric Factory” atmosphere. ("His blonde, beautiful hair waving in the wind." – Taylor, 05:31).

• Carnage in the Penn State Locker Room & Coaching Disarray:

  • Social media fiascos rub salt in fans’ wounds.
  • Fans and the podcast crew openly question James Franklin’s future.
    • “If I look at the pulse of Penn State, it's like, you gotta fire him.” – Will (07:12)

• Matt Rhule Penn State Rumors:

  • Nebraska coach Matt Rhule is rumored to covet the Penn State job; hosts joke about the domino effect if he leaves.
    • “There is a rumor, I've heard a couple rumors that Matt Rule salivates at the idea of a Penn State job.” – Taylor (11:04)
  • Will jokes about coaching Nebraska himself if Rhule leaves. (13:20)

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2. Nebraska’s Grit, Michigan’s Test, and the Big Ten Outlook

Timestamps: 20:34 – 28:03

• Nebraska’s Comeback against Michigan State:

  • Will describes the nail-biting comeback: “That feeling was there for a moment, but once they put the foot on the gas, man… that’s another—the new standard.” (21:58)
  • Emphasis on a “three-phase win” with all parts of the team stepping up.

• Michigan’s Progress Post-Bye:

  • Taylor reviews Michigan’s win over Wisconsin, highlighting offensive growth and nagging issues with drops:
    • “Donovan McCullen… had a coming out game. The passing game for Michigan took a big step. Still had multiple drops, which just bums me out…” (24:08)
  • Looks ahead to the clash with USC—expects a run-heavy approach.

• Texas Tech’s Rise & NIL Arms Race:

  • Hosts discuss Texas Tech as a potential playoff crasher.
  • “In Lubbock, Texas, it is national championship or bust…” (30:09)
  • Hilarious boasts about donations to schools’ NIL collectives.

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3. Alabama vs. Vanderbilt: Kalen DeBoer Interview

Timestamps: 48:45 – 68:36

• Alabama’s Mentality and Handling the Noise:

  • DeBoer speaks on keeping the team locked in amid high expectations and media “noise” post-Florida State loss.
    • “Are you just going to take it, or are you going to respond and punch back harder? I’m proud of the way the guys have taken all that energy… and focused it into what they could control.” – DeBoer (54:41)
  • Calls out social/media rumors not based in reality and credits the “chip on their shoulder” for fueling their resurgence.

• QB Ty Simpson’s Emergence:

  • DeBoer praises Simpson’s weekly progress and toughness under pressure. “There’s been just every week a lot of growth and learning from him…” (52:17)

• Looking Ahead: Missouri Matchup:

  • DeBoer warns about Missouri’s dominant run game and possessions: “If we're not careful, you ain't going to have the ball at all.” (61:22)

• Fun Segment – The Infamous ‘Black Hoodie’:

  • DeBoer playfully addresses the new “lore” around his sideline attire:
    • “It's funny how something you've done for so long all of a sudden becomes a thing now…But, yeah, it does get washed. I promise you that.” (67:04)

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4. NFL Week 5: Greg Olsen Joins to Break It All Down

Timestamps: 72:51 – 146:54

• The Reality of International Road Trips:

  • Greg Olsen shares hilarious horror stories of playing in London—grueling jet lag, weird practice fields, and wild logistics.
    • “That's what got me—those days are over…” – Greg (76:12)

• Discipline in the NFL:

  • On suspending Jordan Addison for sightseeing in London:
    • “At the pro level, I would have zero tolerance for like, guys missing, guys showing up late.” (77:58)

• Coaching Youth Football & Handling the Hate:

  • Olsen explains his (and Luke Kuechly’s) program philosophy: high standards, honest feedback, and plenty of fun.
    • “We don't coach the scoreboard…The only way to play it is that way.” (90:49, 96:04)

• Game Highlights & Hot Takes:

  • Vikings QB Controversy:
    • “What do you think the conversations are like from Minnesota right now going into the bye week?” – Will (101:09). Olsen thinks if it’s about winning, Carson Wentz keeps the job.
  • Dak Prescott for MVP?
    • “Is he in the conversation? Without question. He's in the two or three…” – Greg (105:13)
  • Philly’s Fragility & Receivers’ Frustrations:
    • “It just seems like the Eagles are very fragile, regardless of what their record says right now.” – Taylor (126:04)
    • Olsen: “The greatest hindrance of future success is current success… you're fighting that in the NFL every single day.” (127:57)
  • The Ravens’ Identity Crisis:
    • “Are we essentially having a grave ceremony for the Ravens at this point in the season?” (113:08). Olsen: injuries + lack of offense = big trouble.

• Other Notables:

  • Dropped TD’s Epidemic:
    Ryan: “At some point it’s out of hand…It’s officially like an epidemic.” (139:40)
  • Greg’s Only Gambling Story:
    “I've bet one sporting event in my entire life…down to like the final possessions. And the spread was like 58 and a half…” (135:56)
  • Patriots-Bills & Drake Maye Love:
    • “He is exactly what you want your modern day NFL quarterback to be.” – Greg (144:23)

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5. Memorable Quotes & Moments

With Speaker Attribution and Timestamps

• “They fired the head coach. The body is cold. It’s over, Nico.” — Taylor (04:43)
• “If I look at the pulse of Penn State, it's like, you gotta fire [James Franklin].” — Will (07:12)
• “There is a rumor, I've heard a couple rumors that Matt Rhule salivates at the idea of a Penn State job.” — Taylor (11:04)
• “That feeling was there for a moment, but once they put the foot on the gas, man… that’s another—the new standard.” — Will (21:58)
• “In Lubbock, Texas, it is national championship or bust…” — Taylor (30:09)
• “Are you just going to take it, or are you going to respond and punch back harder?” — Kalen DeBoer (54:41)
• “There's been just every week a lot of growth and learning from [Ty Simpson]…” — Kalen DeBoer (52:17)
• “It's funny how something you've done for so long all of a sudden becomes a thing now…But, yeah, it does get washed. I promise you that.” — Kalen DeBoer on the black hoodie (67:04)
• “At the pro level, I would have zero tolerance for like, guys missing, guys showing up late.” — Greg Olsen (77:58)
• “We don't coach the scoreboard…The only way to play it is that way.” — Greg Olsen (96:04)
• “Is he in the [MVP] conversation? Without question. He's in the two or three…” — Greg Olsen on Dak Prescott (105:13)
• “The greatest hindrance of future success is current success… you're fighting that in the NFL every single day.” — Greg Olsen (127:57)

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Important Timestamps

• 03:38 – College breakdown: UCLA, Penn State fiasco
• 11:04 – Matt Rhule/Penn State rumors
• 20:34 – Nebraska’s wild comeback; Michigan post-bye review
• 30:09 – Texas Tech and the NIL arms race
• 48:45 – Alabama vs. Vandy & DeBoer interview
• 67:04 – The Black Hoodie lore
• 72:51 – Greg Olsen joins; NFL Week 5 deep dive
• 101:09 – Vikings’ QB debate
• 105:13 – Dak Prescott’s MVP case
• 126:04 – Eagles locker room drama
• 139:40 – Fumbling at the goal line epidemic
• 144:23 – Drake Maye as a generational talent

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Conclusion:

This episode is a must-listen for fans who want the full inside scoop—no coachspeak, just candid, insightful locker-room banter about the weekend's biggest football stories. With expert breakdowns, coaching insights, and unmatched chemistry, “Bussin’ With The Boys” continues to deliver epic recaps and shining moments from every corner of the football world.

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Kaylin DeBoer, we, he, he calls into the boys. We have a great inter dlsson friend of the show. He also tunes in. We talk NFL ball. But a loaded, loaded football show today. Where should we start? Hey, I'm not going to lie. I had a pretty solid weekend on the FanDuel sportsbook. Solid weekend.

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Hey, let's do a little wiggle there. Little clap for will. Little clap for Will.

[F]

Fun weekend. Good weekend.

[E]

I put in a couple of little bets before I got on a plane to go to Las Vegas, Nevada. Had myself a nice little weekend in Las Vegas. Fun times, fun times all around. College football. Let's get to the spiciest, juiciest game of the entire weekend. UCLA at home.

[F]

I'm looking at you, I'm like, which one's he going to talk about? You got, you got Alabama, Vandy.

[E]

Yeah, but I'm thinking Cincinnati.

[F]

Trying to tell everybody about Cincinnati.

[E]

A lot of great games out there. Nothing was more confusing to the public eye than ucla, Penn State. And for me it's like I, I'm pretty sure UCLA is having the most confusing year of our entire life. This is a top 10 football team that travels to them. There's zero life with ucla. They have nothing going. What we got going?

[F]

We got more coffee.

[E]

More coffee.

[G]

I didn't know if you needed.

[F]

Yeah, I mean, this is my day.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

We are on caffeine and nicotine. Heavy.

[E]

I'll take. We got this right here. I'll take this last one. You'll hit that box over there, jp. Ucla, right dead.

[F]

We're talking college ball. You don't have to.

[E]

I just, you know, ucla, they're dead, right? They're six feet under. They've already. The body is cold. It's over, Nico. We're already.

[F]

Made the worst decision of his life.

[E]

Made the worst decision ever. They lose to unlv. Unlv Spicy five and. Oh, right now don't be disrespecting UNLV Taylor. And then Penn State has a tough overtime loss. To a now top three team in college football. And they have to travel to what is maybe one of the worst teams and. And all of college football. And Nico goes off three rushing touchdowns. Two. Two throwing touchdowns. And they beat James Franklin. So off.

[F]

Off of. Two days to prepare. Two days to prepare the interim head coach. If somebody want to say his name in the microphone.

[E]

I don't know.

[H]

Isn't it like new Heisel or something?

[F]

I don't know. But Electric Factory.

[E]

Electric Factory. His blonde, beautiful hair waving the wind.

[G]

Looks a lot like JD Pel.

[E]

He does look a lot like JDel.

[A]

Tim Skipper.

[F]

Tim Skipper.

[E]

Okay. It wasn't him.

[F]

That's not.

[E]

Yeah. Jerry newhouse was the O.C. new Heisel dude. His post game press conference, too, was incredible.

[F]

And him just picking up, hugging his wife after the game. A dude, it was such a feel good moment. His old man's in studio. He's. He's doing some. Some tv and he's just locked in at the end of the game, like watching all of it. It was. Honestly, it was really cool.

[E]

It was beautiful, dude.

[F]

And again, two days to prepare, bro. You got. You got Penn State coming into it. Pretty much a dead football team. You fire, right? You fire your head coach. All of it.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

And it come out. Get a win. Hang up. What, 40. 40 something on Penn State.

[E]

Crazy. Drew Allard's doing a post game press conference. They're saying, are you. You guys still in the playoff hunt? And he gets pissed. What'd you think? I don't know. I'm asking you.

[F]

They're not.

[G]

Have you seen James Franklin's Twitter, bro?

[F]

I saw James Franklin. I saw the tweet. I'm going to just honestly assume that somebody's running his Twitter profile because if.

[G]

You go through his page, it's like kind of the same thing each week, but the back to back tweets are one of them. Right before the game. It's the Penn State hype video. And it just says ucla. Ucla. Ucla. Hashtag, we are the very next tweet. Game week. Let's do this together and go one and oh.

[A]

Nittany Nation.

[G]

Northwestern, Northwestern. Northwestern.

[F]

Yeah, buddy.

[G]

And the comment, he has 1.4k replies.

[F]

Hey, you're getting some engagement. I guess that's what your social media manager can tell you. But it. You got to figure out that profile. You can't. That's tough.

[E]

I can't wait to hear Josh Pate's thoughts on James Franklin. This. This locker room.

[F]

He probably has. He probably has them out I don't. I. I don't know. If I look at the pulse of Penn State, it's like, you got to fire him. Yeah, that's the pulse of Penn State now. You know what I mean? Like a Willie. See, I don't know. I'm worried about my Nebraska cornhouse of Penn State fans. Yeah.

[E]

What.

[H]

I think there's a lot of. Yeah, I think a lot of fans.

[A]

Would agree with you.

[F]

Yeah, bro. You. I saw all the videos of the sad boy Penn State fans coming out like, it's Davey.

[H]

My. You guys know Davey. Davey is not happy.

[F]

Do you think Davey's not happy?

[E]

The DM saga you had with one of the assistant coaches for Penn State.

[H]

Some would say this is. That was the start of the downfall.

[E]

That was the status. Maybe Mitch Carsley and this coach that will not be named is the reason why Penn State's not having the success they should be having.

[F]

Some would say busing with the boys, to give a little context, busting with the boys was trying to go out there for the. Or for the Oregon Penn State game. It was up in the air for us. We didn't know if we were going to go.

[E]

We didn't know if we want to go, but we want to know if it was an option to go. Yeah, that was the thing.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah. And get kind of, you know, get behind the scenes.

[E]

And Mitch. Mitch had a little. He had an in. He knew a guy because of situation. I'm not going to give too many details because then people can kind of follow that bouncing ball a little bit. He reaches out and this get. I'll let Mitch speak for. I mean, Mitch is salty about the situation. Yeah.

[F]

He knows a coach there.

[H]

Yeah, I know a coach there. Great relationship with said coach.

[E]

Allegedly.

[H]

Allegedly. And allegedly. I thought I had a great relationship with that coach.

[E]

Right.

[F]

And he kind of patted you on the head in the dms, right. Nothing like, we do it a little bit differently here.

[H]

Nothing casual about that.

[E]

Something.

[G]

I'm definitely doing it differently.

[E]

It was something. It was so bad that Mitch came up to. I'm assuming you as well, because he was like, is this. Is this like, what. What do I do with this? I'm like, buddy, I would just back up. Yeah. I would look at that and be like, I'm gonna get the hell out of here and ninja smoke myself out of that situation.

[H]

That's why I was sco Ducks all stream.

[E]

Oh, that's tough, dude. Because, hey, Penn State, it would be so sick to see one of those whiteouts. It'd be so sick to check out the facilities, talk to the coaches because they. That's a good ball club. I mean, I don't know what's going to happen the rest of the season.

[H]

That's a blue blood ball club.

[A]

That.

[E]

That's a blue blood ball club.

[H]

And we've been like, there's no way you're able to go there. Like Notre Dame. We have a great relationship with Notre Dame now.

[F]

And like, I mean, it's over for him, Buddy.

[E]

Hey, hold on now.

[F]

Look at this schedule.

[G]

They got Nebraska on there.

[F]

They do have Nebraska, but they got Ohio State.

[E]

They got Indiana.

[F]

Look, yeah, Iowa. They got. Yeah, Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan State, Nebraska, Rutgers ain't no slap.

[E]

And hey, honestly, honestly, based on the UCLA game, I know we're all going to overreact. There's obviously gonna be a course correction.

[F]

Nothing better than over but north.

[E]

But Northwestern's no longer a guaranteed win. Iowa is no longer a guaranteed win. Yeah, like if you're a Husker fan right now, oh, you're sitting there going 11 and one is on the table.

[F]

It's on the table.

[E]

It's on the table.

[F]

We have a big one this week against Maryland. Maryland is no sleepwalk. Not even a sleepwalk.

[E]

No. Maryland go to Maryland as well.

[F]

I mean, Maryland was up 20 to nothing on Washington. Yes, 20 to nothing. And then 20, 24 on it. They end up winning. Maryland covers five plus five and a half. But they're up 20 to nothing. Right. And then 24 unanswered by Washington to lose that game. Maryland's a tough football.

[E]

Essentially. This is what's happened for Nebraska. They go to a nice five star restaurant, they have a budget in mind, and they see something that's really expensive on the menu, they go, man, I wish I could have that. But I can't have that because of Penn State. They can now afford that. They say, you know what? I might have that little T bone. I might have that tomahawk steak.

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Yeah. We do have a tear talk here from Mr. Reginald. Reginald. Yeah, Mr. Reginald. ReginaLD SADIC has the percentages of Matt Rule to Penn State risen. Given his three year stint history and James Franklin's unsettling waters. Something to keep in mind. Hashtag tear talk. Why'd you put this tear talk up? There doesn't need to be any speculation. Matt Rule is a Husker for life.

[G]

For life.

[E]

There is a rumor, I've heard a couple rumors that Matt Rule salivates at the idea of a Penn State job.

[F]

Listen, I, I'm aware of that. I'm aware.

[E]

Rule and I. Hey, friend of the show. Love Matt Rule. I've been on House Rules. There's rumors flying around that Matt Rule has that one up, and he's like, if that job was available, I would love to go that way.

[F]

Could you imagine?

[E]

I also heard that Dylan Raiola loves blue and white.

[F]

I was.

[E]

I was just heard that Emmet Emmett Johnson loves. I heard Hoger s like, could you imagine being a Nini Lion? What do you think about that, Sherb?

[F]

I will say don't. Don't worry about Sherm. I will say, could you imagine the heart just gets ripped out of all of our chests, Coach Rule.

[E]

All of our chests.

[F]

Raiola.

[E]

I will say this. This is. This is all. Holgers will be the number one dagger. I. I'll say this. If. If that happened, I would be so sad.

[F]

I will give me tough times, but I feel very confident.

[E]

Look, it's not happening right now.

[F]

It's not.

[E]

It's not happening.

[A]

Would we go to a Penn State.

[F]

Whiteout if that happens?

[E]

Oh, we.

[H]

We would have free reign.

[E]

Could you imagine Matt Rule takes the job at Penn State.

[F]

Could you imagine all you text Matt.

[E]

Rule, Matt Rules like, we're the Penn State Nittany Lions. We're actually going to focus on our program. We don't allow outsiders in here. Hey, enjoy your Huskers and Pat's Will on the head.

[F]

That's. That's. Boys, it seems like there would be.

[G]

A higher chance for him to go there. If y' all do go 11 and.

[F]

One, Coach Eckler goes with him, too.

[E]

Coach Eckler would for sure go with him.

[F]

Listen, that ain't happening. We got.

[E]

If you guys go let.

[F]

We got something coming to life.

[E]

Is it move for Nebraska to go 8 and 4 this year? So Rule stays. That keeps them. If.

[H]

If in this hypothetical world that. That happens with. That is a. We need to check on Will. If we don't see anything from him within 12 hours on Twitter, that is like, we need to drive to Will's house, make sure everything.

[E]

Oh, buddy. Matt Rule takes day. I'll be at his house.

[G]

Will won't be there. Will will be in Lincoln.

[E]

I'll be sleeping over for the next week and a half. I'll be helping put down ruin Scotty and be like, charl, you help him. I'll take care of the kids. That's what's happening.

[H]

If Rule does hypothetically take the Penn.

[F]

State job, He's not taking it.

[A]

Are you talking about hypothetically Are you.

[H]

Interviewing for the head coach job at Nebraska?

[F]

I would. You know, listen, I would. Hypothetically, I have. I would have a learning curve getting to that level. But let's just say, hypothetically, I know everything there is to know about being a head coach. Absolutely. I'd be trading in a microphone for a whistle. And then I'll. I'll carry on the legacy. Destiny would. You know, this would be destiny.

[G]

I think at the very least, you'll be in the room of the interviews going on for the next head coach.

[F]

Yeah. Have to.

[G]

On the side of Nebraska. Like, is this some. Somebody we want to bring in?

[F]

Yeah, yeah, listen, Coach rules not leaving.

[E]

You can still do busing. I'll tell you this. You guys are bringing up hypotheticals. Will and I have had the conversation. If Will goes and coaches in Nebraska. We have a plan in place. We have a. We have a plan in place.

[F]

Deion Sanders formula.

[E]

I'm letting you. I'm just letting you guys know. I will and I have talked about it. Bus 1 will be just fine.

[H]

Are we moving to Lincoln?

[F]

No, you guys, honestly, Absolutely not. You now have me wanting to call Coach Rule. Yeah.

[E]

Just. Let's get out.

[F]

Yeah, I know I was congratulating you yesterday, but I forgot there was something that kind of went over my head.

[G]

People have been talking about you going to Penn State.

[E]

Like.

[G]

Well, who's been saying that? Taylor.

[E]

There. But listen, I actually did hear the Penn State rumor.

[F]

There's no. There's no.

[E]

I didn't pull it out of my first tweets.

[F]

I kind of saw it post pulled.

[E]

Out of somebody's ass and given them.

[F]

Where did you hear it?

[E]

I'm not saying that. I'm not giving my source, but I'll tell you, very reliable.

[G]

Very guy told him about Brock Purdy.

[E]

Listen, we'll cut this, cut this, cut this, cut this.

[A]

We don't have to.

[H]

We don't have to.

[F]

Yeah, we. We talk about after. Just talk about after.

[E]

I want to hear, though.

[A]

Say it after.

[E]

Say it after.

[A]

Say it after.

[F]

All right, all right, listen, we all know it's. Listen, it's going to be. We got Maryland this weekend. Bad week to be a terp.

[E]

For now, you and Matt Rule of Maryland this weekend. Yeah, for now.

[A]

House divided.

[E]

House rules.

[F]

Hey, this a great tear talk right here coming from our boys at Huskers SG store. This one. The boys jeered at you last week for saying Sorsby at Cincinnati was a good quarterback since his 69 yard zero touchdown, one interception performance against the black shirts the last four games, he's put up 1188 yards, 12 touchdowns, zero interceptions, and has them tied for first in the Big 12 Conference.

[E]

Hey, will Compton was right about this. Now, those are dogs out there, no question. And everybody in college football question is looking at Cincinnati right now being like, who's their win loss, too? Because they're dogs. It's Nebraska. You know, who sees that more than anybody. The Penn State NY Lions are seeing that and being like, oh, my God, that defense, Matt Rule over there, they're killing it. So, yeah, I agree. This is. I mean, it's very impressive that the Cincinnati Bearcats.

[H]

So since he's a good ball club.

[E]

That'S a good ball club.

[F]

We're doing things to kind of take it off the subject of how well the Cincinnati Bearcats have been playing, but to beat Iowa State, the way that they beat Iowa State, they did have two cornerbacks out. We were aware of that going into the weekend. Yeah, but handling Rocco Becton, again like Bro Sorsby. He is a hell of a player, bro. And that running back. Yo, did you see him trucking? Old buddy number 14?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Don't want to say his name because we're not about that. It's just. It's just numbers on a jersey. But 14 out there. Kidding. Molly Wise.

[E]

I. I tweeted that video, just said, dear God, somebody responded and said, most guys can only bend at the waist. This guy can now bend at the chest, like.

[F]

And then later in the game, he gets ran over again.

[E]

You gotta quit. You gotta. You gotta quit. That's a Lawan. Week one, 2021 game for him.

[B]

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[D]

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[E]

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[D]

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[D]

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[E]

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[C]

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[E]

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[F]

We're, we're, we're back from a Mario Crystal Ball interview. And again that's coming out tomorrow on Tuesday. Today we got coach Kayn DeBoer. Greg Olson, as we told you, joins the show. And then tomorrow we're going to be talking some fantasy football with Field Yates. And we also got an interview with Mario Cristobal, which is a phenomenal listen. So go ahead and check that out when that drops tomorrow.

[E]

I'll tell you what, Will. You had your headphones on and as you were talking, I was. I'm gonna put my back on too. It's kind of nice.

[F]

It is. You kind of hear your voice. You kind of hear the volumes of everything.

[E]

Yeah, It's a good deal. It's a good, solid deal. We were, before we got that interview going with Crystal Ball, talking about Nebraska, the possibility, the light, the high likelihood of Matt Rule going to Penn State. But for now, Matt Rule is in Lincoln, Nebraska, and that's incredible. I see a tweet from Will Compton Saturday after the Nebraska Michigan State game. It was never in question, I believe was the direct quote.

[F]

Zero doubt.

[E]

Zero doubt.

[F]

That was in my video.

[E]

I see Will. I see Will at the meet and greet as I just land from. From Vegas. And he goes, got a little dicey there for a little bit. So what is the. Your true thoughts about that game, Nebraska and Michigan State?

[F]

It was in the video. There was never a doubt in my mind that we were going to take that football game. It was more of acknowledging the fact that all of Husker Nation and I, you know, listen, you've been with the program now, seeing the last decade and everything else. It had a feeling at in the middle of that game when Michigan State went up 21, 14 because we hung. We got 14 on a quick. We scored quick. We had a three and out and then a block punt to take it to the end zone. Shout out, Coach Eckler. Happy birthday. Birthday to Coach Eckler.

[E]

Happy birthday, Coach.

[F]

But it seemed like we were just going to mop this team out of the stadium. And then it got weird for a moment. Michigan State goes on to hang 21 unanswered. You're sitting there toward the middle of the third quarter, and I know everybody had that feeling in their gut of like, oh, my God, like, is this. Is this about to happen? Because that's just a feeling you get, right?

[E]

You've been through it so many times.

[F]

You've been through so many times through so many times where it's like, it's about to happen again. Like, this Husker team finds a way to lose that game and for Raiola, for all the boys to kind of have that poise, put the, you know, pedal to the middle and score 24, come back and score basically 24 unanswered before Michigan State gets a garbage, garbage touchdown at the end of the game. That feeling was there for a moment, but once they put the foot on the gas, man, and went, it's like, that's another. The new standard understands how important of a win that was, to find a way to win like that. Because the decade previously, that doesn't happen. Yeah, you end up losing that game. You end up soling yourself. You end up crumbling because again, Raola throws those, a pick to where, you know, he wants that one back. Kind of takes a sack where he says, that one's on me. You kind of waiting to see how this team's going to respond. And they responded in a big way because again, I felt like that game should have not been close. Obviously that's my fandom talking. But even watching that game and understand the Huskers, it's like, ah, they, it shouldn't have been as close as it was, but it was that feeling. That pit in our stomach was starting to boil and starting to be there. But then once you get the perimeter screen, they muff a kickoff, we get on it. Perimeter screen to the house.

[E]

Really took all three phases.

[F]

Yeah. No, that was a big three phase win. That was a big three phase win. And again it's like people are like, you're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna find out this week and how good Chiles is. And it's like we, we've made every talented quarterback look pretty mediocre going against his past.

[E]

Charles, Charles is, he's very talented for Michigan State. And I get what you're, what the Nebraska fan base is going through with. Like every year's kind of been like, find a way to lose. And you get to this year, the year three of Matt Rule, and everyone's like, it's, this is year three Matt Rule with 10 win season. We're gonna have all these things. But when you get in these situations, you can't help but go back in your tummy and be like, I remember what it feels like in these games of the past. So it's good to see Nebraska taking those steps and handling business in all three phases.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah. And then you see what Penn State does out in UCLA and it's Buddy.

[E]

Can'T sleep on Maryland though.

[F]

Can't. We will not sleep on Maryland. That's a tough football team. But you can't tell me that this, you're still not looking at a potential 111 season. No doubt it's there for us. Just got to take advantage of it.

[E]

How did Michigan do? Yeah, I'll answer that. I, I thought Michigan coming out of the byway. It seemed a little sluggish at first against Wisconsin, but overall I was actually very happy with the result of the game. The first drive, Wisconsin goes down. We're sending a lot of blitzes. Martindale sending a lot of blitzes. A lot of the middle of the field is. There's a lot of vacated areas that they're kind of dinking and dunking and move down the field relatively easily and scored. But no, Wisconsin hadn't put on film that they can throw the ball very well. So I think Martindale's like we're just gonna get to the quarterback right away. You see the in game adjustments that happen because after that first one they really didn't have a lot of success in the offensive side of the ball. What fired me up a lot about this game is this kid right here, Donovan McCullen, a Macaulay this year like 126 yards, four or five receptions. Like had a coming out game. The passing game for Michigan took a big step. Still had multiple drops, which just bums me out, man. But you know, it's one of those things that you just gotta, you know, you keep firing don't away from the pass game because you want these guys to get as many reps as they possibly can have them on the jugs. The run game looked good. Like Wisconsin, you know, as bad as their record is, they're the number one run defense in all the country and we still rush for over 100 yards. Justice Hayes still had two touchdowns. He had a 40 yard run as well. I was, I was very impressed. Bryce Underwood, I think he took a next step. He had a couple of great deep balls. Put him in the position that only the wide receiver could catch it. Our defense showed up in a big way after that first drive. So I, I am, I got excited about seeing that going. This is going to be a big test coming up with usc.

[F]

Yeah. How you feel about going out to USC this weekend? They're coming off a bye week. Tough loss against Illinois.

[E]

Tough loss against Illinois. Coming off a bye week. Their quarterback playing is playing awesome. Their wide receiver, he's gonna be a top 10 pick, that lemon kid. And then they're, they're running backs as well. They have two running backs that are really good. What I like is there's a formula out there to beat USC and it plays in favor of Michigan. It's running the ball, controlling the clock and using these shorter intermediate passes when you don't want to use the run game. That Illinois showed up, Brett Bielema showed. This is how, this is how you beat usc. They. Now here's the issue. You got to go across the country which we've shown has. Can be a lot of issues for people. Except for Oregon. We have to go to la. That game two weeks ago was announced that is sold out. I can only assume that the Maison Blue is going to show up in a big way. So it'll be, it'll be, you know, other than the Oklahoma game, that's going to be the biggest test of the year for us to find out who we really are. And so for usc, like, I'm really looking forward to this game. Right now, Michigan is two and a half point dogs. I looked at it yesterday, the two and a half point dogs. I'm excited. I think we have a really strong run game. Our offensive line didn't play well last week. That's gonna be a vocal point. And after the last two years, when you see the offensive line not play well, they tend to really step it up the next two weeks after that. So I'm excited about a good statement win here. I'll obviously be taking Moneyline Michigan. I'm fired up. I. I just want to see this pass game continue to do what it's doing. See it gets. Get rid of the drops. And that past game, Buddy, got me juiced. The.

[F]

Did you guys have more drops in the Wisconsin game?

[E]

Yeah, yep. Samaj had one, Bredesen had one right over the middle. There was a couple and it was a couple like third downs where it was like in the chest. Now it's not always the receivers like Bryce does. Rocket balls like check down he goes 100 miles an hour. And it's like, I get it. They're in the position to be catchable. But Buddy, we're throwing rockets at our boys every once in a while. Get a little touch on it. I think Joe Klatt said this. Like, Bryce Underwood is a great thrower of the football. His next development is becoming a great passer of the football. Understanding his change ups, knowing when to throw rockets in the tight coverages and also when to, you know, put a little off of it so it's more catchable for your guys so they can get vertical. But Buddy, I'm excited.

[A]

Now Chef on Yalls teams, Nebraska and Michigan. Chef really wanted to propose this question to you guys if y' all wanted to read his tweet.

[F]

Okay, so this one's from AT Jack Underscore Hanning. Hashtag tear talk. True or false. Texas Tech is good enough to beat any team in the nation.

[A]

And that was his follow up question down below.

[E]

Doesn't look like his follow up question.

[F]

Could they be?

[A]

He. He asked me.

[E]

He did.

[F]

We can verify. Well, any team in the nation includes Michigan and Nebraska.

[E]

That is true.

[A]

That's what he wanted to hear.

[F]

Dude, I'll say this about Texas Tech like this. This fan base looking At Texas Tech, their schedule, everything else, the way that they performed, I mean, they're. They're beating teams by at least 24 points right now. They are in position to be 12, 0 throughout the regular season. Now, like, again, whenever Texas Tech plays, people, people not give Texas Tech the nod because they have the Big 12 Conference logo next to them. So it's like, time will tell once they get into the playoff. But I think you're 12 and, oh, and your Texas Tech, the way that they've been beating these teams, they're not going to be a team you want to see in the playoff. Because that D line, it's crazy. Goes nuts, bro. Offensively, very good. Like, they went on the road and beat Utah. At Utah and Houston, both teams play some good football and Texas Tech have handled them. So I think right now it's like, could they beat any team in the country? Sure, why not?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Why can't they?

[E]

I think so. I mean, you saw a couple weeks ago against Utah, the Texas. Texas starting quarterback goes out and they still won, like 34 to 10 or 14, whatever it was like. And that's two teams that were both ranked in the teams. I think it was like 16, 15. So they. I mean, they went away, they handled business. There it is, the Big 12. And I think if anybody's going to give Texas Tech or give the big 12A, this is a legitimate conference that you have to worry about. It's going to be Texas Tech. When I was in Vegas this weekend at ufc, there was a massive Texas Tech donor that was there that was talking to me about their club, how they have a board of people that are analyzing data on players for the transfer portal. They obviously put. They. I think they spent the most money this year in the transfer portal. They are national championship or bust. That is the feeling. Is it Arlington? That's where.

[G]

Lubbock.

[E]

In Lubbock, Texas. It is national championship or bus there. That's what this booster was saying during.

[H]

The broadcast with the Houston game. They highlighted this. One of the boosters, Cody Campbell, I think his name is. And like oil. Yeah.

[A]

Gotta be like energy something.

[H]

He was. He's the guy. The guy that kind of like, spearheaded all. And he said that they were saying, like, whatever. That booster community is, like, raised like $62 million in one year and like, all for nil stuff.

[A]

So, like, they're.

[E]

You hear that? Larry Ellison? You hear that? Dave Portnoy? Let's get going, boys. All right. Let's get going.

[A]

They're not messing around.

[F]

They're all in. Texas Tech's all. Texas Tech is all in.

[E]

All in.

[F]

And right now it's showing.

[E]

J.P. i saw you point at me. I've done. I donated $50,000 to the Nil Collective at Michigan.

[F]

So did you. We. What are you talking about? So did you.

[E]

So did Sherm, so did Mitch, so did Will. We're. We're active. We're active with Michigan nil right now. Active.

[G]

50K to Texas Tech, though.

[E]

Eddie, listen, this dude you talking about oil tycoons over here. I'm a general studies major that happened to be good at football. There's levels to this.

[G]

And good on the tables.

[E]

And good on the tables. Okay. My next Vegas trip, I will donate 50% of my. My winnings to Michigan nil. Whoa, 50%.

[F]

That's big.

[E]

You heard it first. And that is the classic me where I just spontaneously say something, so now I have to do it. Because I wasn't thinking about that at all and I just randomly said it. So now I have to do it.

[A]

I tried to give you answers.

[G]

Look of like, are you sure you want to say this?

[E]

I know. And listen, my brain doesn't think. My brain speaks then thinks this will.

[H]

Be clipped out and this will be.

[E]

Next time I go to Vegas. 50% of my winnings if I win, never a guarantee will go to the Michigan Nil Collective.

[F]

You just double down.

[E]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I have to now. I'll triple down if you want me to. I'll do it on Wednesday at the locker room. I'm gonna do that again. I'll be there in December.

[A]

Respect. That's a great tax break.

[E]

Yeah. Gotta be, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Speaking of Vegas, we have a tear talk here from Felipe J with a bunch of numbers. Hashtag tear talk. Why doesn't Taylor just bet on Vandy to win the SEC championship for when they do, he will have the trip.

[E]

Already paid for because I knew this past week would eventually happen. Next question.

[F]

So you're saying Vandy's done. They don't have a shot to win the.

[E]

No, I think they have. They obviously have a shot and everything what Alabama told me was all right.

[F]

I'm.

[E]

I'm safe. Like, they, like Alabama might not be the best team in the country. I think Vanny makes it in the playoff. I think they get spicy, brother. I'm just. Listen, I'm talking out of a state of fear right now. So like everything I'm saying, grain of salt. If you're a Vanderbilt fan, like, just know I'm afraid for my. My Wallet. But, you know, we saw what happened this past week. That's all I'll say.

[H]

I think Vandy kind of lost that game with a pick in. A fumble in the red zone.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

The product they put on the field. Yes. They lost. They lost that game because they didn't play as good as what you're telling me. Okay. Right. I mean. Right.

[F]

Yeah. Nothing fixable.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

No film to look at. Be like, ah, a couple of these plays go your way in the game.

[E]

I mean, they were up. They. I mean, they had 100 yards rushing in the first half. They're up 147 at one point away in Alabama. Like, they could have absolutely won the game. And you're right. Like a pick, a fumble here and there, like, couple of plays go a different way. Absolutely.

[H]

Yeah. What I'm saying is, like, Vandy lost that game. I feel like more than Alabama wanted.

[E]

Oh, oh. Taken away from the Tide.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Kaylin Deborah, friend of the show.

[H]

Friend of the show.

[E]

This is the same episode that he was just on. He was on here 20 minutes ago.

[A]

Yeah. Don't get me wrong.

[H]

Bama is a great ball club, but I think Vandy, like, again, hypothetically, if those things don't happen.

[E]

Right.

[H]

I think that that game could have been a lot more spicy than it was.

[A]

It was.

[F]

Possibly. But a great team also takes advantage of bad football.

[E]

You got to give a lot of credit to Alabama because everybody and their mother said they were including us in the show. Being like, I don't think. I think it's over for them. I think it's done and they. They've really turned it around.

[H]

I'm also saying I think Vandy deserves some credit.

[E]

I know. I absolutely agree. They're 5 and 1.

[G]

They could win out and it wouldn't be surprising.

[E]

No, it wouldn't.

[F]

But who say somebody took Alabama to cover on this bus. Yeah.

[A]

I.

[F]

Deep water game.

[G]

I got a money line every week.

[E]

All right. Oh, Parker Hayke at coach Hayke. We can all agree Arch is just young and inexperienced. A ton of hype and pressure put on him because of his last name. But the frame is there and just needs to build it up. Is the frame there? Just needs to build it up. I'm. I'm all for horns down, not hate.

[F]

You want me to read this?

[E]

Yeah, go ahead.

[F]

I'm all for the horns down, not hate. Hate to see or wait.

[E]

Did you want me to read it?

[F]

I'm all for horns down. I'm all for horns down. Hate to see a young guy get ripped because of expectations Gibrons put on him. Maybe he's looking for Jabron. He's there. Hashtag tear talk. Parker Hockey. We can agree we're into the show.

[E]

We can agree that was a tough read, right?

[F]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[F]

That's why I had to take over.

[E]

Yeah. And then you started doing this. It's like you put the backup quarterback in, he has the same results.

[A]

Right.

[F]

But you sit in the pocket, you kind of see what they're trying to say, Then you deliver, and then you're like.

[E]

You see it from that side. Yeah. You got the clipboard. All right. Then you go in there. Oh, it's the same result right there. Here's what I'll say.

[A]

Okay, that was just a play calling issue.

[E]

That was a play. Yeah, that was a play calling.

[F]

Taylor's a caged animal right now.

[E]

I am, dude.

[F]

Yeah. Look, I think Texas is just. And look, I'll hand up. I think on the locker room preseason, I was talking about both Penn State and Texas pretty much being in the national championship game, and I think we both see that that was a. An absolute fail. I think Texas, they let us down, bro.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Us. I think Texas is just not who we thought they were going to be going into the season. You go in and, like, Florida exposed a lot of things defensively, which I'm pretty disappointed in the Texas defense. I thought they would still have a pretty good game. I thought Florida came out with a game plan and they operated in a way to where I'm sitting there kind of. Kind of yelling at the tv like, how can Florida not play? Like, this weekend? This is the Florida team I've been betting on against lsu. Against who else? Miami.

[G]

Their fans have to be so pissed, bro.

[E]

They got to be confused more than anything, right? Like, they're in an abusive relationship with Billy Napier right now.

[F]

Yeah, Somebody needs to save them.

[E]

Yeah, exactly. They. They're sitting therapy sessions. Like, why does he keep doing this? Why does he keep doing. Like, I think he's a bad guy. Then he goes and buys me this nice jewelry. I think. I think we're good.

[G]

You're happy that you won, right?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, I'm happy. But, like, why'd you get to do it all the time? What about usf? That was the past. Don't worry about usf. I. I agree. Like, I think I feel bad for Arch Manning and I don't want to, like, be so critical of him where it seems like I'm. I'm a hater. Like, he had all these expectations for him to exceed these expectations would have been near, near impossible. He's had a tough season. I think we need to give him a little bit of grace right now. I mean, his name, all, all of that is just, it's, it's tough. It's tough season. I agree with you. When it comes to Texas defense, I thought they were going to stand up a whole lot more than they, than they did against Florida. And when you look at Florida, it's like, I'm just confused. Yeah, I'm just confused.

[F]

I think we got a tear talk here from Joshua button. Sark is 2 and 8 versus top 10 teams. At Texas, he's 5 and 18 versus top 10 teams all time. Is it fair to start the James Franklin comparisons? Hashtag, tear talk. Thank you, Joshua. I'd say, yeah. I'd say, I'd say very much fair.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Because again, the X like you go in, you got to win that game against Florida. Yes, especially you go, you lose 147 against Ohio State, you rattled off three in a row. You're going into a massive game coming off a bye week. You got to take care of Florida in the swamp.

[E]

Yeah. And if you're, if you're, you know, Texas is two and three, but the three, I'm sorry, three and two. But the three wins they have are against teams that, you know, they should have easily, easily mopped. They haven't had a win. That's like, okay, that's a Texas team that we can put our, put our hand happy on. Yes.

[F]

Feel good. On the recap, are there any things that you feel like were not giving flowers? There's a lot of football going on in my head right now. We had a long conversation with Greg Olson on the NFL. We obviously just watched the NFL on Sunday, so our brains have kind of been there. Oh, man. What? Where else? I think it's a massive week. This is a good spot.

[E]

Texas A M. That's a ball club. A and M is a ball club now.

[F]

A M is for real. Yeah, A M is for real. A M is for real. Who else is out there?

[G]

I don't know if they're for real.

[E]

Yeah, hold on.

[G]

I'm not saying, I'm not saying they couldn't be. I'm just. Why are they for, like, why now are they for real?

[E]

Notre Dame is a big one. Big reason why they covered a massive spread versus, despite, allegedly, your words, a good Mississippi State team. Who was it overtime with? Texas. Oh, Tennessee. They get overtime? Yeah. They went to overtime against Tennessee in that high powered offense. They Beat Arizona State, who beat them last year, was ranked in the teens. Like Texas A and M. That's a. That's a good ball club. I mean they're ranked number five.

[G]

I think they're good. I think they're good. I'm just, I'm not ready to say they're one of the best teams.

[E]

They got Florida next.

[F]

I don't think I'm saying they're for real in a way that they are. They are a true top 10. They're ranked number five right now. Top five football team. Like again, when you're looking at who are the legitimate national title contending champions, you think about Miami, you think about Ohio State, you think about Oregon, possibly Texas Tech should enter that conversation just the way that they've been winning football games and you look at the rankings and you try to remove the whole logo attached to them. A and M though, they've, they've handled their business.

[G]

We're aligned on that.

[F]

Like.

[G]

Yeah, I would just leave them out of the. They're right below the Miami, Oregon.

[F]

Yeah, I think that's fair.

[I]

Under that.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair.

[E]

They're. They're a playoff team that you won't be surprised. We'll go far. Correct. Yeah. But you're okay. So you're looking at. Just from the mask of national champions.

[F]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Got you.

[F]

Because they're going to have. It's like, look, we're going to get to find out because you look at their schedule. They're going to have. They got Florida this week. You got.

[E]

You have no idea what you're going to get there.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

You have no idea.

[F]

If Florida plays the way they play. Like Florida was supposed to be a team that were going to be in it. It seems like they, they kind of hit a lick as far as executing an operation against Texas this past weekend.

[E]

But consistency is the major issue in that program.

[F]

You're going to be at Arkansas, which again you beat a good Florida team. Like let's. That's a tight game. And they end up winning, you know, winning in the fourth quarter.

[E]

Arkansas just got their head coach two weeks ago.

[F]

Big time trap game at Arkansas. Then you go on the road at lsu. You go on the road to Missouri, you host South Carolina.

[G]

We'll know very quickly, like if they're.

[F]

Yeah, yeah.

[G]

If they're in the Oregon.

[F]

I think across college football, like what a weekend slate we have for college football. And just these next several weeks, like this is all of October, prime October football season.

[E]

It's spooky. Season for a lot of schools out there.

[H]

Who is the top five? It's Penn State or not. Penn State, Oregon, Ohio State, Miami. Miami. And then who's.

[F]

You got A and M. Ole Miss. Ole Miss, Right, Dude, Yeah, no one's.

[E]

Really talking about Ole Miss, which is dangerous. Lane Kiffin making linebackers throw from the sideline.

[G]

Lane Kiffin's son is going on a visit to LSU this weekend. Then Lane Kiffin's dog quote, tweeted it and said, I guess we know who the favorite son in the family is. Oh, trouble in the Kiffin household.

[F]

Trouble in the Kiffin house.

[E]

Just the way Kiffin like. All right, well, hey, hell of a recap, boys.

[F]

Indiana, Oregon this weekend. Great game.

[E]

I think Oregon's nine and a half point favorites. Seven and a half point favorites.

[G]

A lot of good, like seven to eight win teams.

[E]

Yeah, he would be a massive mistake for Indiana. If it got leaked that Signetti was saying something about Dan. If it got leaked.

[F]

We'll see. There's still a week. We got the week in front of us. We'll see if there's any fodder out there come locker room time. Indiana, when we got old Josh. And by the way, Josh Pate was right. I was wrong. He's smart, I'm dumb. Dumb. He's pretty, I'm ugly. He was completely right, seeing the field for the Florida game.

[E]

Yeah, he was. And yeah, I know you. You more held that flag on Twitter going at pay all week, but I was with you. I thought.

[F]

I thought Texas was gonna stand winning outright. Kind of a ballsy. But look, he put his balls on the table, and Florida handled business in a way to where I was kind of mad watching the game, thinking this motherfucker 1000% knew something that everybody else didn't based on his relationships in that building in Florida. You know what I mean? Like, in a way, cheated us. Fuck Josh Payton.

[E]

Will's hair starts to grow back a little bit. All of a sudden he's away from Josh Pate. So you know what? He is below me. All right, boys, big hugs, Tenny cases. Make sure you subscribe, unsubscribe and resubscribe. Love you so much. Thank you for watching the show.

[F]

Yeah. Enjoy DeBoer. And enjoy Greg Olson.

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[E]

Pants down. Pants now.

[F]

Yes, sir.

[E]

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[A]

Good.

[E]

Great to see you. Great to see you.

[I]

Look good before I stepped in here. Hopefully it still looks all right.

[F]

Yes, it does, man.

[E]

First off, Coach, happy Spooktober. We're rolling right now, so if there's anything you want to say off camera, we'll wait till after the show. First off, congratulations on beating Vandy, man. Let's give him another round of applause for that. That's unbelievable. Jack, please, please clap. Thank you. It's got to be a very interesting win for you because we're in this new age of football. Like a lot. Like when I was playing, even just a couple of years ago, it's like, hey, don't give anybody bulletin board material. Don't give anything for the other team to be like. You see what they're saying about you here? Now we live in this crazy world. You had to deal with a week one with Castanello. He's out there being like, I'm gonna do this to Alabama. And then you got Diego Pavia saying the things he says. It's got to make this win feel a whole lot better, huh?

[I]

Yeah. And I mean, there's that part, of course, but we can't control that, you know, and we're in our. Our own fight here throughout the season. And I'm just proud of the way the guys just go one week at a time, just, you know, got a chip on their shoulder with the things that are out there, but also balancing and channeling the energy into the things that matter most and helping them be the best they can be.

[F]

Coach, I gotta. I gotta ask because I'm just the psyche of a. Of an ex football player. I was on the locker room last week and I was breaking down the Alabama Vandy game. And to me, I'm thinking to myself, they probably didn't celebrate the Georgia game that long. Like, that was a game you guys needed to have. But knowing that you win that game and you got Vandy the next week at home, based on everything that did, like the, the. The loss last year, that probably felt very embarrassing. You've been seeing Victor laps year in and year out. But the moment Georgia win probably didn't last too long because everybody was just absolutely juiced to the gills because you wanted to play a team like Vanderbilt. Am I off? Am I off in assuming that?

[I]

No, I think I think you're right, and I think that, you know, continues to be the case. I'm proud of the maturity of our group, learning from the experiences we've been through. But you're right. I mean, we were ecstatic and excited winning a big one on the road. But before we walked out of the locker room, I know some of the guys, you know, we're already talking about the next one and how important that was. And I'll say this, though, like, our guys were saying the same thing just Saturday, you know, and so I love that mindset. And just, you know, it's. It's one game. Seasons that we're playing right now, just every week. It's great competition. You know, we've been early, but we haven't played a team that's had a loss when we play them yet this year. And so just. It's a tribute to the teams we're playing, obviously, again, early in the year. But another great challenge here with Missouri coming up.

[E]

Yeah, you've done a great job of since week one, just having everybody focused and dialed in. You guys seem like you're crushing one guy who's absolutely killing it, too. Keeps that ball. As Will Compton would say up here, Ty Simpson just got. He's got that good. He's got that. Hey, keeps it up. He keeps it tight. Guy sits behind, sits as a. Been a backup role for three years. Able to come in and he's putting up numbers way. I think it's like 1500 yards right now. People are making whispers about a Heisman Trophy. Just talk about Ty Simpson, his development, what you've seen from him. Because it really seems like this guy's taking a major step to where he's running up draft boards now. People are excited about him when maybe before the season. When you're talking about SEC quarterbacks, no one was really mentioning the Alabama quarterback.

[I]

Yeah, and understandably so. We hadn't even named him a starter, you know, and so I think really there's been just every week a lot of growth and learning from him that he's just. Just been. He's taken on. I think our coaches are just continuing to coach him hard, and he's great with it now because he understands that we're doing this because there's a trust in him. We're asking a lot out of him, and he's capable of it, and he knows that we feel that way. So even this last week, just, you know, he put a lot on his shoulders and, you know, we certainly know he could have done A better job of getting rid of the ball at times, and you can call that being picky, but we need great play out of him. We need him managing the game. But he. Because he's going to bring the explosives, whether it's with his feet, with his arm, the big plays that he. That separate him from other quarterbacks are going to happen just because of him and also what we do offensively. But he's got to continue to do a good job of learning and learning from the moments that set us back as an offense this year or this last week. And he's done that every week. And now there's new things that will present themselves going into Missouri.

[F]

Coach, I want to go back to the loss after Florida State because there is clearly a lot of noise around the program of Alabama talking about the impossible job, the impossible succession of. Of Nick Saban. We should have known this was going to happen. DeBoer, you know, he's underwater. Guys are. You see some effort plays out there against Florida State. Looking back on week one, how did talk about your staff, talk about your players? Because whether or not it's noise and those are external things, it's loud enough around a program at Alabama and in the national landscape to where no matter what it is, felt from every angle, whether you want to block it out or not. How did everybody in the building kind of handle that gut check moment? Because one of, you know, being around a lot of programs and having a lot of success with programs before you got to Alabama, a couple things can kind of happen there with the team. You either let the noise kind of sit there. It doesn't really get addressed, guys, you know, click start form and conversations start happening. You kind of just go on about your business like, you know, hey, guys, we're just going to stay with each other. Don't worry about the noise. Or there's also teams that kind of shut the doors, watch the tape very critically, almost address everything going on, and kind of have that gut check moment like it seems like you guys have, because you guys have been swinging ever since.

[I]

Yeah. You know, all season, all off season, going back to January. So much was made about the chemistry of this team, the character. And, you know, it wasn't like our guys were beating their chest about it. I think a lot of it was just really heartfelt and people recognizing, you know, what was happening with continuity of staff, continuity of players. You know, we were proud of staff and talk about the work ethic of individuals, and then those individuals would talk about each other, you know, and There came this point, as you mentioned, where, you know, we have week one, and, you know, now it's. It's. We're in a room and we're talking about, okay, is this real? Like, do we really care about the other guys, you know, and them counting on me and. And us counting on each other? Is it real that we really, you know, don't want to let the other guy down? And I think the answer has been seen that it was. And, you know, we weren't afraid to call it out. We call out guys and each other every single day in practice. There's been a real accountability. As much as it didn't look like it in week one or feel like it, that has happened. And we just went really back to the basics and kept it simple. And I think it did create an edge that our team had that punched them in the face, and we've used that a lot as far as, you know, what are you going to do? Are you just going to take it, or are you going to respond and punch back harder? I'm proud of the way the guys have taken all that energy and most of it being negative, about 99.9% of it being negative, that is outside and focusing it into what they could control, and that's the preparation. And, you know, we have just, again, a couple simple foundational things about how we move, and it kind of relates to urgency, but it's been really critical for us to keep. Keep progressing, keep getting better and still balance. Again, the chip on the shoulder that we've had, you know, the world of college football and just, again, social media and everything that's out there, it is a lot of noise. And we do know we signed up for it here at Alabama because that comes with being here. And I reminded the guys of that right away that I signed up for that. They signed up for that. I recruited guys here and told them, don't come here if you can't handle it. And, you know, again, these guys. I'm proud of the response that we've had here, you know, going on the last four weeks.

[F]

Dude, something. Sorry, Taylor. I just want to. I want to. And I know we're in the middle of the season. You guys have a gauntlet of a schedule. You can't sleep on any team. You can't take a breath. You can't take a break. You guys are going into Mizzou this next weekend, who's a very tough football team. But the things that you're speaking to, like, a moment, that stands out to me like, as I'm watching you guys, it was in the Georgia game where I want to say one of your defenders, whether it was a double move or something, he got beat. They scored touchdown. And essentially the staff like you, I'm assuming it was the defensive coordinator, but you guys are coming on the field saying, that's on us, that's our call. But just tap in your. Just as a former player, like, as somebody who's played the game, like, knowing you, you're in a very hostile environment. You're on the road at a place like Georgia, and just seeing you guys kind of come off the sideline and that kind of rally moment happening, I know just as a player, it was really exciting to see to where I'm sitting there, I'm like, oh, these guys are, these guys are checked in. These guys are like locked the in. They know shit's gonna hit the fan. When it does hit the fan, there's going to be zero loss of focus. There's not going to be finger pointing, like, hey, let's get to the sideline. Let's regroup. So that's hats off to you guys again. I know we're in the middle of the season. It's not like you guys have won the Natty yet or anything, but as a player, I, I, I very much, I have a lot of respect for a coaching staff like that.

[E]

Yeah. I mean, just to piggyback off. Well, everything will said like that first game, there was a lot of noise, right? Like, and you're talking about the players. There's a lot of conversations like, what are the players doing the night before the game? A lot of people are whispers about all these things. I want to know where your head it was at in like just personally, whether with the family talking, like, you obviously have to go and stand in front of the team the next day and deliver a message to them that allows it to resonate so they can be like, okay, we do have each other's back, but you got some lady in Alabama. And the, the lottery, the Powerball lottery is at 1.4 billion. They're like, hey, what would you do if you won the Powerball set? Well, first thing I do is I buy out Kaylin Deborah and I make sure we get a new head coach in there. Like, the noise is, is crazy for you individually, how are, how do you handle that pressure just without worrying about the team, but, like, how do you, like, compartmentalize and handle all that?

[I]

Yeah, well, I think first of all, going back to what you said right away, you know, the noise that's real and, and like we get it. Like we. You make your own bed, right? I mean, we didn't play well and. But I think the noise that people just want to make things up and aren't real, you know, about what's going on the night before that are completely false and factual, you know, those are the things that just add to the chip on their shoulder that, that I've held onto. I know our team's held on to, you know, and aren't who we are. You know, it's not the character of us. I mean, these guys are all in and are doing the right things and so that's what I remind them of. And you know, again, we can't control what everyone else wants to run with, whatever storyline or how they feel. And you know, that they've. Again, we've just kept enough of it alive because we don't want, we want, don't want to take away the focus from what's really important. That's our preparation when we step on the football field tomorrow at practice. And, you know, that's what really matters. And so, you know, I just. My message to the guys, you know, was one of an edge, you know, but also one that said, you know, we did some things that, you know, kind of made our own bet and we got to, we got to respond and we got to be better and we know we can be better and we can control that. That's the fortunate thing. So do you believe in what we got? Do you believe in the talent? Do you believe in the staff? And the staff believe in the players. And I think the response has been, you know, that, that we do. And I love coaching these guys, I really do. And there's an excitement about going to battle with these guys and, you know, we've proven it to us and that's what it starts with. But I also know that there's an edge where we're proving it to everyone else too.

[F]

How do you keep that edge? How do you keep that focus going when going to prepare for a week against a team like the Missouri Tigers? You have two very, very emotional wins back to back with Georgia and then have it hosting Vandy at home. How do you stay locked in and continue to keep that chip on the shoulder where it's like you, you know, the urgency, you feel like the prep and urgency is going to be there, but how do you just stay on top of the boys because again, you guys got to go to Missouri and it doesn't get easier throughout the rest of the year.

[I]

Yeah, they are really good and they are dominating on the run game, both sides of the ball, the time of possession. If we're not careful, you ain't going to have the ball at all. And so I think how do you keep the edge? I looked at the film and we looked at the film as a staff and there were some mistakes and things that we did early in the game in particular as a team that just. That can't happen. And again, it set it set it in a direction early on. Now, thank goodness we've been through the fight a little bit and you know, we didn't flinch. I think like people probably have expected us to the last few weeks. We didn't flinch when he got in that moment, but we, we got a lot of just things that we got to clean up and be better. And it's exciting too because it shows that there's a higher ceiling for our team.

[F]

Yeah.

[I]

But we got to go make it happen because, you know, we, we keep making those mistakes. We're going to have one of these teams going on the road at a Missouri or whatever it might be that are going to get you and so just again, got it. Got to execute better. That's really what it was. I can't say our guys weren't in the fight. I think they, they came off the sideline and wanted to solve problems and be solution oriented that want to be coached. But we just didn't execute a couple.

[A]

Of things and it's.

[I]

It's really not a schematic thing. It's not a team. It's just like literally one guy just got to do his job better. And you know, some of the things that we went through could have been avoided. We got to finish, you know, at certain times. But I am proud of how we finished the game. You know, the second half in particular, stuff in the run, defensively and offensively we scored every possession. We just got to turn some of those drives into touchdowns and not settle for field goals.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, you guys did a great job. I mean, you didn't flinch at all right. You go down 70 and then it's 147 at one point. I think Vandy had like a hundred yards of rushing in the first half. A lot of it came in the first quarter. It seemed like you guys didn't flinch at all, which is awesome. You talked about Missouri a little bit owning the time of possession. If you don't, if you're not careful, you're not gonna hit the ball at all. What, what's the biggest takeaway when you watch the film with the Missouri Tigers, that, oh, we gotta watch out for this. I know they have a hell of a rusher. Something about Penn State backups going to other places and having a dominant, successful careers. And Priblo, he's playing really well. What are the things you're seeing from their offensive side that's like, okay, this is what we have to worry about a little bit.

[I]

They have such a complimentary skill. And the running backs, you know, Hardy, and he has a missed tackle. Statistically, there's a missed tackle and it shows up on film every other carry, you know, and he just keeps plays alive and people think they got him down and he's still running. And the yards after contact just, you know, blow your mind. And so we got a rally, we got to be there. The scheme, schemes they run and the things they run off the play, the play, off the plays. You know, Coach Drinkwitz and Kirby Moore, you can see their fingers all over and know those two well over the years. Kirby was with me, Coach Moore was with me for, you know, four years together at Fresno State. And so you can see that meshing their philosophies together. They're extremely efficient. You know, 76% completion percentage. It just, it's impressive what they're doing. You can see what their philosophy is. And then defensively, they compliment it and they get the ball back for them and then they just go do it again. And so they're really, they're in it for the long haul. You know, you don't see them having to feel like they gotta go score, you know, 25 points in the first quarter. They're willing to, you know, just grind, grind you out, you know, and you know, they're going to take their shots when they want to and, you know, throw trick play or specials play action down the field. But, you know, they're going to play in for the fourth quarters and they won a lot of close games over the last few years, you know, with that type of philosophy. And every team looks a little different, but they got a lot of pieces that are coming together right now. When you take their, their skills mixed in with an offensive line that fits.

[F]

What they do, you know, you know what type of week that's going to be for the players, like toward the end of the week at Alabama?

[E]

Tell me.

[F]

It's going to be like, man, why is the staff kind of. Why are they feeling like we kind of lost these last two? Yeah, like, you know what I mean, to kind of Keep that coaches on the shoulder. Yeah.

[E]

Like, they know, like, hey, if we play our level of game, we can beat them down.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

Why are we. Why are they acting like we lost Taylor's oldest time?

[F]

Yeah. Going to be like the urgency that the players are kind of feeling at the end of the week. I can taste it. Coach. Big Spooktober family. You guys, you guys. You guys love to celebrate Halloween. The family decorating. We got some costumes in the way waiting in the wings. What do we got going on for the month of Spooktober?

[E]

Yeah, my.

[I]

My wife does a pretty good job, I guess I would say. I don't get it. I'm busy in football. Right. But I will say my wife does a pretty good job with all hollow holidays, making it feel a certain way. And so she already got the September and October or the October theme things, you know, about a week ago. So she's ahead of the game like usual.

[F]

Do you have a. Do you have a favorite scary movie?

[I]

I can't think of what.

[A]

I mean.

[I]

I like the. The dramas and the scary ones, but. Yeah. But I can't say I got a favorite.

[F]

He's just thinking of games he's lost.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

He's like, that's the scary movies.

[E]

Yeah, those are the scary movies. G. Before we coach Deborah here, do you have any questions for him? He's our resident Alabama fan. Garrett. I do.

[A]

Coach Roll Tide.

[B]

Quick question.

[F]

Now that the black hoodie has created.

[E]

Some sort of lore, I just got.

[A]

To know, is it the same hoodie.

[F]

Every week and are you washing it in between games?

[E]

Great question.

[I]

It's funny how something you've done for so long all of a sudden becomes a thing now. And I'm good.

[A]

Whatever.

[I]

I mean, that's what I've been comfortable with in for years. And, you know, so they're just making it even more comfortable. But, yeah, it does get washed. I promise you that. There's been a couple of hot games the last couple of weeks and, you know, but, yeah, it's. It's funny that it's taken a little bit of a life there and, you know, just try to keep the guys in my family, my daughters, they. They see it all, you know, and they are even kind of putting the pressure on me, like, you can't let us down, you know, so, yeah, I didn't mean for it to be that way. It was just kind of what I was comfortable with in over the years. But it's. It's kind of taking a life of its own. Crazy enough.

[F]

Coach man, thank you for your time, bro. Good luck against Mizzou this week. Seriously, hats off to you. Over these last few weeks. It's been fun to watch you guys kind of climb out of that. It felt like black hole that was around you guys after that Florida State game. But very much appreciate your time. Time, man.

[I]

Yeah, you bet. Appreciate what you guys do for just all of sports, college football, the excitement you continue to build. It takes a. There's a lot of growth that's happening in our sport and excitement for it. The craziness that revolves around building your team and all that, that's one thing. But the sport continues to grow. So appreciate all you guys do.

[E]

It's you, coach.

[F]

Coach of the show, friend of the show. Hit the group chat. Tell them. Tell them your 10 still alive. Tell your boys, year 10 still alive.

[E]

Year 10 still alive. Appreciate you, coach. We'll talk to you soon.

[I]

You bet. Thank you, guys.

[E]

What a guy.

[F]

Yeah, that was fun.

[E]

That was awesome.

[I]

I don't know if you can.

[A]

I don't know if you can hear me.

[I]

Thanks, guys.

[F]

Oh, yeah, Coach, we got. Thank you, brother.

[I]

You bet.

[E]

Yeah.

[I]

You guys are. Guys are. You know, again, like what I just said, it's. It's cool seeing what you guys do. You bring good energy to everything. So thanks for it.

[F]

Thank you.

[E]

Appreciate you just taking the time out of the day, too. Obviously, it's a big win and a couple of schmucks like us. It's awesome that you took the time, man.

[I]

I just was in the defensive room, walked straight out of there. And all the things you were just talking about, that I was able to explain pretty quickly because that was demoralizing. Watching the highlight film of that retail back make all the plays he's made this year.

[E]

He's impressive, dude. He is very impressive.

[I]

He is, man. They got the other guy, too.

[A]

Compliments.

[I]

He got 7.31. 7.11, 7.3 yards per carry. So it ain't just one guy. They come at you with the second one, too.

[E]

So.

[F]

Yeah, Antenna's got to be up going into. Going into Columbia.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[I]

11 o' clock kickoff.

[F]

We gotta be ready. Yeah, bro. Yeah. All right, Coach.

[E]

Thank you.

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[A]

Hey man, doing good. Last week I was. I had a travel nightmare from hell getting home from Dublin. That's why I couldn't jump on with you guys. I spent literally 24 hours traveling. Spent like 8 hours in Heathrow in London. Lost our bags, missed our connection. It was a nightmare.

[E]

Jesus.

[A]

I left in. So I left Dublin. Local. Dublin time is like, is five hours ahead of east coast. So we left. It was overtime of the Packers Dallas game. So it was like 11:30 Eastern, 4:30am in Dublin. We were in the car going to the airport. I walked in my house with two minutes to go in the fourth quarter of Monday Night Football.

[F]

Monday Night Football.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

That is brutal.

[A]

It was brutal. But Dublin was cool though. Dublin was fun.

[E]

Yeah, I, I bet. But that travel schedule is crazy. How do you, how do you reset for your. For practices that week?

[A]

Coming. You know what? Coming east, I always do pretty well. Or no, I'm sorry. Coming west, I always do pretty well. Going east is when it got. Being in Dublin, we were more like jet lagged and time was off. Coming back west, coming home was fine. Was not. Was not that big of a deal.

[E]

Did you ever, did you ever play across the pond?

[A]

Yeah. Night 2019. So my last year in Carolina, we played in, in London, we played the Bucks. It was all. I loved it. I. I thought it was super cool. I thought the crowd was great. I think the fans internationally loved the games. It was a cool experience. I had never been. So I've been now Europe two times to play in a game in London and to call a game in Dublin.

[E]

That's it.

[F]

Did your team go? Did you guys go for the week.

[E]

Or did you go for that?

[A]

Thursday we started doing it like, you know those teams. Well, I guess everyone's still kind of doing a little different, but we went like Thursday. We either went like Wednesday night or Thursday night. I remember Thursday, Thursday after practice. Yeah, we went, we had like a practice and then we flew through the night and we either landed there like Friday morning early or Thursday morning early. I don't remember which one, but. Yeah, yeah, it was, it was, it was good.

[F]

I can't. I can't believe he enjoyed it. I hated it.

[E]

Yeah, I wasn't.

[A]

Why didn't you like it?

[F]

I just, you, you're like when you get done with practice and then you go and hit the jet and then you're thinking like, all right, guy. You know, you're trying to figure out that's your night of sleep. And then you land and it's Friday morning. You jump right into meetings, you jump right into getting going. There's a massive nap that ends up happening. But they try to tell you not sleep too long. It was just then the field was kind of slippery like that. The turf that they had was a little bit. I felt like a little bit different.

[E]

In the practice field that we were on because I think it was. It was 18. Yeah. The year you were there. 18. We went to play the Chargers in London. We did the same thing. Left Thursday, landed Friday morning, did a practice. You go practice playing practice. And the practice field in London was. It was like in front of like this like pseudo castle and there was like divots all everywhere and you kind of just like doing a job through, but you're like in hell from a sleepy boy standpoint. And like, do not go to sleep until 7:30. And it's just. I remember looking at the clock, it was like 7:28. And it was the longest two minutes of my life because I was like, I gotta check the box at 7:30 before I go to sleep. Then all the boys, like, the next day, like. Yeah, we went out, we went to the pub. I'm thinking, how the. You guys do that?

[F]

Yeah. Yeah. That's what got me those days over.

[A]

I know. I thought the. I thought Tottenham Stadium, where'd you go? We played at Tottenham. Where'd you play?

[F]

One of them. London.

[E]

Yeah, we played in London, man.

[A]

Well, I think there's Wembley, right?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, that was it.

[F]

Yeah, we played.

[A]

Yeah, we were at Tottenham, which was like the brand new stadium that they had just built. I don't know, it was like. I think it was within like a year or two of us playing there. So it was brand new, it was nice. I don't know, I thought. I thought it was a cool experience. I had never been overseas before, so maybe that was part of it. But, yeah, the sleep is the hardest part. The jet lag's the worst part.

[F]

Yeah, yeah. And then we tied. So you're. You're flying back. You kind of.

[A]

Yeah, we walk. So maybe that's why.

[F]

Yeah, okay.

[E]

And my team lost, so I guess we all. We've all felt every single different winning.

[A]

Winning cures.

[F]

Yeah, winning.

[E]

No doubt.

[F]

For us though. For us though, it was like our kicker missed the field goal to win. So you kind of felt like. We kind of felt like we won. We felt really shitty for Dustin Hopkins. He felt like he lost her. Patent him on the back. I ate tough.

[E]

It's all good, man. We did our job, but it's all good, bro. Mean it.

[A]

That's the question. When you put your arm around him, did you mean it? Is the real.

[E]

No, you're. That's what you, you hope a camera's around. You're like, oh, man, Will Compton's really. He's got his boys back.

[F]

Yeah. I'm thinking I had a pick. 10 tackles. Like, you missed that field goal.

[E]

You had a pick. Yeah.

[A]

If only everybody else was as committed as I was.

[E]

Right. Great. Can I, can I ask you a question? Speaking of being across the pond? If you're a head coach of a football team and you get there, you fly across the pond, you get the guys ready, and then somebody is late to a team meeting because they wanted to sightsee, would you suspend them for the first quarter of that game?

[A]

Yes.

[E]

Okay. All right. Jordan Addison, Kevin o'. Connell. That's the situation that happened this past weekend.

[A]

Very, very. I don't care if we're in Chicago, Charlotte, Dallas or Dublin, I don't care where we are. Meetings start when they start, responsibilities start when they start. Like, this is pro ball, man. Like, this is, this is not high school. And this is not, you know, your mom didn't drop you off in time and you left your helmet at home. And you know, college even, like, we all were stupid. And you know, you sleep through a workout at 6am because your alarm, like, we've all had those moments. But like pro ball, man, there's just no excuses for any of that. Like, yeah, in my mind, I always thought like, the guys that, that relate, the guys that miss stuff, I just always took it as disrespect for everybody else around you's time. Like, if it's okay for me to be on time, why is it not okay for you to be on time? I'm just as tired, I'm just as busy. I don't know. That's how I always viewed it. So, yeah, I would have at the pro level, I would have zero tolerance for like guys missing, guys showing up late. Now would I bench him the whole game? No, I think what they did.

[F]

You need the game winning touchdown, gotta have the game winning.

[A]

So, I mean, we're not heroes. We're not, we're not heroes here. Like, you gotta say, Mario Crystal ball, the coach down in Miami, he told me something that I've never forgot. He said he learned this from Nick Saban. He said Nick Saban had a, had a saying. He said when the tiger enters the temple, make him part of the ceremony. And like the idea being like, you're going to have stuff that goes bad, you're going to have a guy that's late to Pregame, he's going to miss the bus. He's going to. There needs to be discipline in the moment, but it can't become a distraction to the entire locker room. The guys now walk storming out of the locker room and he's not playing and now all of a sudden the game plans thrown away and we might lose the game over it. Like there's a time to discipline him, there's a way to discipline them, but don't take it so far that it gets in the way of everybody else's ability to go out and compete and win the game. I always think that's like a very good thing to keep in mind. Like sat in for the quarter, made the point to the rest of the team that nobody's above the rules and now get your ass back in there and go win the game.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that locker room was like, you learn your lesson Good. Great catch at the end. That was phenomenal. I love that.

[A]

Is everyone, is everyone good?

[E]

Yeah, yeah, we're good. Hey, that was solid. We're actually gonna take away that fine now because you got the game winning touchdown.

[F]

No, no, exactly.

[E]

When you're, when you're coaching your games and some of these kids show up late, do you go to the parent and give them a talking to? Maybe give them, hit them with a fine or something like that.

[A]

So that's where it's a little bit different because right now at our age, kids are 100 dependent on their parents, right? Like the parents take them to and from practice, the parents schedule dentist appointments. The schedule, the parents, it's. The kid's not scheduling an orthodontist appointment on a Tuesday at 4:00', clock, right. Like it's not, not the kids fault. So we try our best to communicate all the scheduling and all the, you know, expectations both to the kids, of course, because they got to learn it, but also equally as important to the parents because little Johnny wants to be at practice on time and a, you know, a summer workout at 8:30am on a Wednesday. But like mom and dad have work and it's summer. So like I am a little bit more understanding of the young kids of what's going on. And they have siblings, they have parents, they have jobs. Like there's a lot more going on for these kids than just sports. Unlike, you know, the professionals who this is all they do. So I'm a little bit more understanding of the kids. We have a little bit more grace and leniency. But I do tell the kids all the Time, like, don't take advantage now. Like, every once in a while, okay, circumstances come up. We're gonna take everything on a case by case basis. But if it's. If it's just continuous and it's the same repeat offenders over and over again, we're going to have accountability. We're going to have standards that apply to everybody on the team, from the top player to the bottom of the roster. Everyone's the same. But it is just a little bit of a different dynamic because of how dependent they are on their fam, you know, on their family dynamics and their parents and whatnot.

[E]

No doubt, no doubt. But if they're late three times, four times, five times, do we maybe grab the dad in the corner and be like, what's your deal? Deal? We have a conversation with him. Hey, man, listen, have you had a.

[F]

Dicey situation with a parent?

[A]

To be honest with you, We. We've been doing this now at the school for two years. And I have to say, we have parents that really have bought in to what we ask. And we are the first to admit that what we do is not for everyone. And we ask a lot of time. We ask for all the summers, we ask for time after school. And we're doing zoom meetings the night before games. Granted, the kids are home, but, like, everyone's logging onto a zoom at 7:30 to 8:30, and we're tightening up some stuff for the next game. So playing for us is probably a little bit of a bigger time commitment than maybe some of the other, you know, age, you know, at this age level of some of the other teams. But we don't shy away from it. We communicate it up front. We're very open and honest about what we're doing. And pretty much now, for two years, our. The kids love it. The kids would practice and watch film all day long. Coach, when are we going to watch practice? Coach, we're going to watch game film. Hey, they love it, but it's a burden on the family. So we're always very conscious of balancing the two.

[F]

But hey, just to bring up a Nick Saban quote. Nick Saban quote. It takes what it takes. You tell me. You tell me how you're feeling when we go undefeated this year.

[E]

Yeah, exactly.

[F]

Exactly.

[E]

You guys are essentially the IMG of Pop Warner football.

[A]

Really good teams. And they could beat us. Like I and I tell our kids all the time, like, if the second we don't play our best game, we are going to get everybody's best shot. And the second we don't play our best game, we could lose. And we don't ever talk about winning every game. I mean, I joke about it with you guys, but, like, we don't ever talk to the kids. Like, the expectation is to win every game. The expectation. We never talk about wins and losses ever. All we talk about is how good can we get?

[E]

Get.

[A]

How good can we get? And when we're good, we tell them we're good. When we're not good, we make the corrections and we tell them, hey, we got higher standards than this. This is unacceptable. We got to address this or whatever it is. So we never talk about wins and losses. We don't start the season saying, hey, we got to win all seven games. We got to win by a hundred. Like, we never discuss wins and losses. And we. We don't coach the scoreboard. We are going to coach you harder up 30 than if we were up 7. And we don't coach the scoreboard. We don't coach. We don't think you played well because we won by 30. We don't think we played bad because we lost. We are going to play. We are going to coach you based on your performance of every play. And if we do that over and over and over again, we probably will win a lot of games.

[F]

What do you say to the. The fans that are now starting to. There's some, you know, there's some rat poison. I feel like entering into your camp on.

[E]

There's a bunch of Nick Saban again.

[F]

I've been on some. I've been on some message boards and there's some talk now. It's like, hey, has Greg olsen, this football team gotten a little too Hollywood? Yeah, they got vlogs. They're. They're filming their game.

[E]

Yeah, they're miked up.

[F]

They're miked up.

[E]

Luke Kikley seems like he's enjoying the spotlight a little too much.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

What do you got changed?

[F]

Yeah. What do you got to say to.

[A]

Those going to his head?

[F]

Yeah. Those haters and fans that are kind of seeing that you guys are putting some.

[A]

Yeah. It wasn't the hall of fame. It's not the hall of fame that's going to get to Luke. It's going to be his seventh grade defense.

[E]

Yeah. Some guys got different stuff, different strokes for different folks.

[A]

Folks, hey, listen, we understand the world that we live in. I think the kids really enjoy it. But with. With. With all of it. And if you play for us, honesty is never going to be an issue. There's never going to be. I Wonder where I stand. I wonder what the messaging is. We're going to be very direct and clear.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Whether you like it or not, we're going to be very direct and clear. We tell our kids all the time, all this stuff is fun. Everybody likes seeing the videos. Everybody likes laughing and Olsen's nuts and Keakley and. But like, the kids, kids, they. In today's world, we all know people eat this stuff up, and we're going to give the kids the opportunity to enjoy it. Right. It's part of the experience of playing sports. In today's world, whether everybody likes it or not, it's not going anywhere. So the alternate, the one option is to lean into it and. And. And do it and put the kids out there and let them enjoy it. But then the other side of it is, you got a target on your back. And there's gonna be a lot of people that don't like it, and there's a lot of people that don't like.

[E]

Like me.

[A]

And a lot don't like our staff and don't like that they go to this school and they don't like that you win. Like, that's the real world in everything that you do. It's going to be even worse when you get to high school and so on and so forth. So we lean into it. We don't want to be the bad guys. We're not trying to be bullies. We're not trying to be. We believe in coaching football the way we all know football. And that doesn't start at high school. It doesn't start in college. It doesn't start if you're. It's the only way to play the game of football from a safety standpoint, from a competitive standpoint, is to play the game the way we were all taught to play the game, which is smart, fast, aggressive, with great fundamentals and technique. And we are going to play extremely hard and violent. That is the sport of football, Whether you're in seventh grade, 12th grade, or in your 10th year in the NFL, it never changes. And that's how we believe it should be played. That's how we believe it should be coached. Our kids embrace it. They love it. They thrive. We had 32 kids on the team last year. We got 50 this year. We might have 60 next year. Like, it works. The notion that you can't hold kids to high standards, the notion that you can't be intense in the correct forum with the correct words and the correct delivery, like. Like, it's all. And again, we haven't always gotten all that right. But these young boys at this age in their life, they thrive on it, they feed on it. And the parents, the amount of parents that tell me like, I don't recognize my son anymore, like, this isn't the same boy that I, that I knew. His confidence, the way he stands up getting ready in the morning, like it has a lasting impact on not just the football. It impacts them in everything. And telling two, like we all had the same life, like this was all we ever did. And whether we ever played professional ball or not, those early football experiences shaped everything we've ever done.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't recognize my son anymore. He's taking creatine and whey protein in the mornings.

[E]

It reminds me of like Khabib when he talks about, he's like, send your, send your kid to Dagestan for two years. Forget like that is. It sounds like you just say you're. If you're a kid, you don't know what he's gonna be. He's got maybe some toughness issues. Some, you know, he's a little disorganized. Send him to Greg Olson and Luke.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Handle business and listen. And I also want to be clear, like, we have a lot of fun. Like, this is not just like dog days, grinding them through the pulp. Like I tell our kids, the more the game gets out of whack, the harder we're going to coach you. Because the problem in blowouts, especially at the young age, is that's where bad habits get created. So all of a sudden, how often do you see, all right, the game's out of reach now everything's okay. Okay. N you jumped off sides. Nah, we fumbled the snap. Yeah. We didn't line up correctly. But all of a sudden now you're just coaching to the scoreboard. We don't coach the scoreboard because those habits we lose in the second half of a 30 point game. I got to spend all week next week undoing all of those habits before our next game. And we don't have time for that. Like, we don't have time to keep going backwards. So when it's 30 to nothing, we're going to coach the hell out of your splits and we're going to coach your stance and we're going to coach your get off and your leverage and which head. Where's your hat placement? Because the second we let it go, that habit now has been formed in a negative way. I got to coach the out of that all week now again, against a team who's better and it could cost us. So, like, yeah, that's just the way it works, man. Like, there's no other way to play the game of football if you want to play it and you want to be competitive and you want to be safe and you don't want to get hurt. And the only way to play it is that way. And we want to teach these kids as young as possible what that looks like so that they're ready for high school. That's our number one goal. Get these kids ready to be high school players, some of them next year, and then obviously the seventh graders in two years.

[F]

So we got a. Do you want to hit Mitch's question?

[E]

I did want to add, just this is a quick hypothetical. Let's say a Netflix or a Paramount or a Prime came to you and we're like, like, or a busing or a bus.

[F]

Yeah, baby.

[E]

Or busting. Busting productions. And they're like, hey, love what you're doing. I think the world needs to see what you're doing. What do you think of, like, a reality Gridiron Pups type of show that comes out like a series, like an eight, you know, Fashion Corners eight episode series. Would you humor that conversation with said programs?

[A]

Yeah, I think I would. I, I, I believe. Here's what I'll say. I don't sit here. You, I've talked to you guys a million times. I don't sit here pretending that I have all the answers or that our way is the only way of doing football. I'm the first to say we have not always done everything right in the world of youth sports. We've not always coached our teams right. I haven't always been my message to my own three children after games or after practices has not always been right. I'm the first two address that. I am an intense person. I love to compete. I don't like other people getting the better of me. It's just the way I'm wired. So it comes through in the teams that I coach. Like, I want my kids to embody highly, highly competitive spirit in everything that they do, because I think that's how you learn and grow and find yourself in the world of sports. Having said that, I think I would have no problem with people seeing behind the curtain of what we do. Not everyone's going to like it. Some people are going to love it. Some people are going to say, oh my God, this is what I want for my son or daughter. But other people are going to say, I want Nothing to do with that. And that's okay. We love these kids. These kids know they're loved and these kids know that they're going to be coached big time and hard and held accountable. And after every game, every parent who comes up and shakes our hand says, continue to coach my kid, continue to push my kid, because the kid they gave us is very different than the kid we give them back. That doesn't mean there's not bumps in the road. That doesn't mean at times we really got to push the envelope. But, man, the finished product, at the end of a season, we give these kids back and they move on to basketball or wrestling or whatever they. Or they just go home and they don't play a winter sport, man. Seeing the finished product is far and away better than the wins and the losses. I think being able to showcase that and all the work that we put in the summers, the meetings, the calls, the lunches with me and Luke, I think people would. I think a lot of people would enjoy it. I think some people would think it's too much. And that's okay.

[E]

I love it.

[F]

Yeah. We got a question for you in the back from our boy Mitch. You obviously, you played a buddy of his. You guys played his team recently, but Mitch, go ahead, brother.

[H]

Coach Greg, there is a clip going around of you and Coach Luke watching film of a penalty, and you guys were not very happy with said penalty. Meanwhile, you guys were up 44 nothing. My question is, how much hell do you guys give the refs of these games?

[E]

Great question by Mitch Carson.

[A]

I'm glad you asked me this, and I hope this clip goes. I think, hey, I promise it's going to go now. Time. I've said this, I've said this about NFL referees. So I'm standing consistent with NFL referees all the way down to middle school, school and, you know, Pop Warner. I think they have a really hard job. I think there's a lot going on. I think when you get down to lower age groups, you know, so middle school age groups, on every play, there's chaos, right? There's coaches yelling to get kids lined up. There's formations that look a little wonky. There's kids downfield, there's holding calls. There could be penalties on every single play. I totally understand that and respect the job that they're doing. Do we work the officials the entire game? Yes, there's. That's kind of part. The football culture of continuing to find advantages for your teams is kind of ingrained to. After every game, though, I Make sure I go to the officials. Like, there's nothing personal about any of this. Like, this is not personal attacks on them. This is not that I question their integrity or question their competency. We are going to coach hard. We're going to coach our kids hard. We're going to try to find every advantage, we're going to try to find every call. We're going to try to manipulate the game the best that we can. That particular example, it was halftime when I said, let's go girls. It was the cheerleaders. I've been very clear with you guys that halftime stops because the girls, my daughters on the cheerleading team, they go out and perform. So the clip after me saying that is like, let's go girls. Obviously I was responding to our, my daughter and her friends that just cheered at halftime. But yeah, we have iPads that we can see. And there was a fourth down personal foul called that they said our guy knocked down the quarterback late. Actually the, the offensive lineman ran into his own quarterback and knocked him down. And that's why I said that. And again, the score is irrelevant. I was saying that amongst our coaches at halftime, we're trying to regroup on everything that had gone on. And in the heat of the game, yeah, we're intense. In the heat of the game, we're after, we're coaching our kids, we're yelling at our own coaches. Me and my dad are arguing. Me and Luke are like, it's football. Sideline is an intense sideline. But I have a ton of respect for officials. I don't think their job is easy at any level. And after every game, I make sure at least my message to them is like, listen, whatever happened during the game, arguing calls, holding offsides downfield, whatever it was, we're good. There's zero animosity, zero hard feelings. I don't envy the job you guys have. And I'll see you guys in a couple weeks.

[F]

We're good.

[E]

I was like, oh, all right. Yeah, that's one sided. Maybe sometimes.

[F]

Do I ride them? Yes.

[E]

Yeah, no question. At the score. It's irrelevant. It doesn't.

[F]

Should we talk some ball?

[A]

Hey, that's the biggest thing. And I. And I get that from everyone. Like, man, why are you. Get out. You know you're up by a lot of. We don't coach to the scoreboard, right?

[E]

Yes, sir.

[A]

The score in my mind is completely irrelevant to the game when the score gets out of hand. We. We had of our. Every single one of our kids has played in the last two games. All 49 of them. We control the score. We get young kids in. We get some kids who haven't gotten a lot, kids that have never played football before. We use the depth of our roster to control the scoreboard. We're not looking to score 100. We will always be respectful of the other team. But we also owe it to our older kids who gave their entire summer, who give four days a week of practice, who get coached really hard. We owe it to them that they get to play and we get to run our offense and we get to run our defense and we get to do all the things that we spend so much time working on. The kids deserve game day because it's in football. It's so much more practice than it is games. It's the only youth sport that's designed like that. If you don't give the kids the game experience, the grind of the weekday practice is hard. It's a lot.

[E]

Breaks you down a little bit. Breaks you down.

[F]

Should we talk some ball?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Hey, so I have a. I have a couple questions for you. Going off to the first game on the Sunday slate out in. Were they in Dublin?

[E]

They're not in America.

[F]

Somewhere on international soil. Oil thoughts on Dylan Gabriel's performance debut. And then also. Go ahead. Let's start with that one because the other one will be a much loaded.

[A]

Yeah. The game was in. The game was in London, Minnesota and Cleveland was in London. So we had Minnesota and Dublin and then they flew. So they're the first NFL team to do back to back international games. So they were kind of like the pilot.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Of. Okay, what would this look like if we had people double up and play overseas in consecutive weeks? So. So Minnesota volunteered. They played Pittsburgh in the game we did in Dublin. Then they flew to London, spent the week, played another game, then they'll come home and have their bye week. I caught that. I caught that game. We were heading. We were traveling to the stadium for our one o' clock kick. When that game was on, I caught probably half of the game in the booth just getting ready for it. And so I saw bits and pieces of Dylan Gabriel. I saw bits and pieces of the game. Kind of. No. Went back and forth. I think he was okay. Right. I think he's going to be under. Gonna be a lot of speculation. There's gonna be a lot of, you know, scrutiny about how he's playing, of course, with Shador and should Shador be the guy and all the antics this week in the locker room. Once they name Dylan the starter and what that all looks like. But I. I think we have to give a little bit of grace and understand that that offense is a work in progress. That offense is going to have some. Some struggles now all of a sudden. Putting in a rookie quarterback is not all of a sudden going to make all of that go away. I thought they played competitive. Their defense is nasty. But I thought Minnesota, considering how many guys they were down in the offensive line, they made just enough plays, obviously to pull it out.

[F]

Yeah, I would agree with that. I thought Dylan played okay. There were some inaccurate throws that he did have had some moments. We got to talk to our boy in Joku. Hey, if he don't get the ball, I'm watching the tape. He throws up his hands.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Every time. If he has.

[E]

That's how you want your receivers. But I know he's a tenant. You do be a little more diva. Ish.

[F]

I'm sure, like, Greg will take. Greg was a phenomenal tight end. I like your tight end out there, like your best, you know, like your number one guy is out there, like, throwing up his hands like this. If it's a tough throwaway, doesn't give him the ball.

[E]

Especially with a rookie quarterback making his first start. Right. It's like, give him.

[A]

Right.

[E]

Like, you saw Justin Jefferson a few weeks ago with JJ McCarthy on his first start. Even though it wasn't going the way they wanted to the fourth quarter, JJ's like. Or Justin Jefferson is like, hey, I've got you. We're gonna be all right. It's gonna be all good. Ends up pulling it out at the end. What was.

[A]

Yeah, over. Over the course of time. I'm sure in 14 years, there's clips of me having a reaction or throwing my head back if I thought I was open. I'm sure it happens sporadically for everybody. You just don't want it to become, you know, you don't want it to become consistent. You want it to become continuous. That over and over. Every time you don't get the ball, your body, like language turns to like. You don't want to be that guy. Quarterbacks don't trust that guy. Every now and then, are you going to have a weak moment? A moment of frustration? Of course. It just can't become a habit.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that's when the quarterback looks at you, he's like, hey, man, shut up. Like, enough.

[F]

Right.

[A]

I see it. It's disrespectful. It's making me look bad. It's making all the attention about you. So you got to be careful. You don't ever want to be in a position where you show up your quarterback. So yeah, I'm. Have I ever done it? Probably. Would I be proud of it? No. And would you want to do it over and over again that you can't?

[F]

Yeah, absolutely. My second question was going to be what do you feel like the conversation looks like now for the Vikings at quarterback? I thought Carson Wentz played pretty well and obviously having that game winning drive, driving at 80 yards there to win the game. What do you think the conversations are like from Minnesota right now going into the bye week?

[A]

Yeah, I think this bye week is going to be really interesting. You know, they lost a close one. They had the ball with a chance to at least go down and tie against Pittsburgh the week before and they took a. He took a bad sack grounding call and it kind of derailed the end of the game. So they end up losing and, you know, then it's like, all right, we can't wait for J.J. mcCarthy to get back. And then they go and they pull off the late game, come back against, you know, arguably one of the best defenses in the league in Cleveland. And, you know, so obviously Wentz comes through when they need it and they pull out a win without their starting right tackle. They're starting center in the first round, left guard or right guard Jackson from Ohio State. So down three starting offensive linemen overseas, back to back games and you do it against a really good defense and obviously Myles Garrett, arguably the best defensive player in the league. So good bounce back game there for Carson Wentz. I think Kevin o' Connell is a student, but yeah, they've got a question on their. They've got a situation on their hand. Right. Like, what is that balance? I think every organization goes through, what is the balance between being competitive in this very moment, which we all know is the NFL. This is a results oriented business. You have to win today versus JJ McCarthy, who in their mind is the quarterback of the future, both tomorrow and how many years. So I don't have a great feel of what they're going to do.

[F]

Yeah, I don't either.

[A]

I don't. I'll be honest, I don't have a great feel for it. I think J.J. mcCarthy's a really good player. I think he can have a really good career in this league. I like him as a kid, I like him as a guy. Every time I've talked to him, I've walked away like really impressed with just his presence. But I'm not sure if Carson Wentz has done enough to not continue to play.

[F]

I, I'm with you. I don't know what's the most important goal this year. Is it winning football games? To me, if it's winning, it's Carson and Greg, when you go on, like, watch his tape too. I think Carson does a great. He throws a good ball. He's. He's getting out of trouble very well. He keeps his eyes downfield. He throw, he's throwing the ball. He's. He's ripping it before guys are getting out of their break.

[E]

So.

[F]

They're right there. They're right there and it's tattooed right on him. He throws a good 50, 50 ball to Justin Jefferson. To where? I don't know. Maybe. I mean, you're J.J. mcCarthy. Any young quarterback, you think, okay, I have Justin Jefferson. Let's give him a shot. At times where it's like he's clearly covered and he throws great 50, 50 balls. I think Carson Wentz is the guy. If you're, if you're looking at, if the goal is winning games this season, I, in my opinion, it's Carson Wentz. If it's the development and throwing everything into the future, then obviously that's where the decision with J.J. mcCarthy would come from. But I, I feel like Carson's played some good football, man.

[E]

I think you're. You're in a position, you're in the best possible situation if you're the Minnesota Vikings, because you can actually have both. Like, what is Kevin o'? Connell? The whole theme around Kevin o' Connell this year is, look what he's done with these backup quarterbacks. If I'm Minnesota, I'm secretly giving it to a beat writer that publicly JJ McCarthy is a bust. Let the world know that JJ is a bust. Once he's a bust and everyone says he's a bust, he'll now be good because Kevin o' Connell will make him good. That's how it works.

[A]

Kevin o'. Connell. School for rehabilitated quarterbacks.

[E]

Exactly. Exactly. That's what, that's what they need to do. Carson Wentz, let him play. Make it seem like JJ's a bust. He's done. Something will happen. Maybe Carson wins. He has a little anky. A soft tish happens later in the year. JJ comes in. Big time play up front. Oh, my God. They're in the NFC championship.

[F]

Yeah. I just, I feel like Carson, he's. He's much more equipped to play that game at that second level, at that extra gear.

[E]

Yeah, he's done it. I Mean, people forget he was, he was mvp. He was mvp. Either MVP or MVP caliber caliber guy. And then his team ended up winning the Super Bowl. He tore his acl. Nick Foles ended up taking over like he is a guy and he's been sitting, resting, learning, playing on multiple different teams. Like he, he is an absolute stud. So, you know, he'll, he'll probably play himself into a starting quarterback, whether it's Minnesota or somewhere else next year. Just like Sam Darnold, just like Daniel Jones, just like all these guys. So it's impressive for the game that you called Cowboys, Jets. Are we sitting in a situation now where Dak Prescott is a MVP, front runner guy at this point?

[A]

Oh, he's. Yeah, he's doing front runner. Probably debatable. Is he in the conversation? Without question. He's in the two or three.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, think about what he did yesterday. Okay, now I understand the jets have not been good and they've yet to win. Defensively, they're not bad. Right. Like, defensively, that is not a historically bad defense or at the bottom of, you know, they're at the bottom of some categories. Like, you don't go into that game saying, oh my God, the Jets are horrible. The Dallas's defense was 32nd in the league. They were historically bad in a lot of categories. And Dak went into that game on the road with the worst defense in football, albeit played very well against the Jets. But that's a different conversation. Worst defense in the league through four weeks, statistically missing four starting offensive linemen. So, I mean, Taylor, we can't find five linemen on a lot of teams, let alone nine. So he went into that game with Terrence Steele and backup left tackle, left guard, center right guard. Tyler Smith was the only other starting lineman in uniform. He did not play a snap. He was like an emergency dealing with an injury. He went into that game without CD Lamb. Four starting offensive lineman in the worst defense in football. And it was 30 to 3 in the fourth quarter and it ended up being like 37, 22 or it ended up getting some garbage time points. The game was never in question. That's pretty impressive.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And you know what he did against Green Bay the week before where they tied in overtime? Like what he did when coming back to win against the Giants at home when they had a score, 40 to win because Russell Wilson went off like he's done it almost every single game and everything around him's not been perfect.

[E]

Yeah. And just bringing up the offensive lineman like you keep maybe Nine guys on there. And so you're bringing guys off of practice squad, plucking guys from other teams as well, putting them in uniform the week before and be like, hey, you guys got to figure it out in case you have a situation where one of these other guys go down. So they're there. It's a very fragile position to be in, especially in your quarterback to play that well. I, I'm, I'm blown away by him. I'm very impressed by Schottenheimer up to this point in the season because you're right, their defense, I mean statistically are bad. A lot of times people can say, well, statistically they're bad. But X, Y and Z. There's no but like the Cowboys defense is actually just bad. You put on the film and it seems not competitive at some points when you watch a Giants film and then you have them go against the packers who are just studs, end up, you know, that plays them into a tie there. I worry about the Cowboys because if Dak has an off day, they will lose. That is just how it is going to go for them. And that inevitably will happen through the, the drag of the season. Being in, you know, the only, the second week of October.

[A]

Yeah. You're not going to score 37 a game.

[E]

Right, Right.

[A]

I think they came into the game averaging like 28, 29, something like that. They scored 37, they scored 40. Would they tie? They scored 40 when they tied.

[F]

Yeah, 40 Green Bay.

[A]

So like you're not. Really. The only game they didn't particularly score a lot of points was the Chicago game. So the one thing I will say, yes, you're not going to score 30 plus every single game. There will be some games where they're going to have to, you know, score in the low 20s. There might be a game where they score 17 that, you know, can they win those games? Probably at this point, probably not. I will say the defense was significantly better yesterday. I think the more Diggs and Bland continue to get their legs under them. Remember, they're paying two big time former all pro both. Both their corners paying top money. Both have battled injuries. Lower body injuries takes a toll at the cornerback position. Playing a lot more zone with eber flu. So they're not really playing to their strengths in man coverage. They're starting to sprinkle in a little bit more man. They lose Micah Parsons, they lose DeMarcus Lawrence. So you start looking at some of the defensive transitions. They're not going to be a top five defense. They're not going to be a top 10 defense. But can they be a middle of the road average defense? And now all of a sudden can they start winning games 24, 21, 27, 24. Yeah, I think that's probably the most likely scenario when CD Lamb comes back and Kamante Turpin comes back and they're not out for starting offensive linemen and George Pickens is coming to life and Dak, I mean Javante Williams, the running back is a stud.

[F]

Like yeah, he's been playing well.

[A]

I just see their offense getting healthier and getting better.

[F]

That's fair.

[E]

Fair. Very fair.

[F]

Defense does, has to get, have to get a lot better.

[E]

It's good that they're sprinkling more, man, because they, they're at like 96 zone at one point. And you're right, like those two corners do great in man coverage. Like why? Why? And you're not, you're not disguising well.

[A]

It's just a bad allocation of resources. Right. You're paying two top tier corners. Granted, coming off injury, which I'm sure is part of Eberfluss's plan of like, all right, let's not expose them. Glance had the foot. Obviously Diggs has had a couple lower bodies back to back. So like I understand that but we talked about this yesterday on the broadcast and like, here's the disconnect that a lot of teams have in their approach connecting their defense to their offense. I'm a believer that I need to build my defense to mirror the strengths of my offense. Right. So for years under McCarthy, with last year being the exception, there were a 30 point offensively, you're leading the league in points 22, 23 around then I don't need to stop the run. I don't need a lot of big bodies. I need pass rushers and ID defensive backs because we're going to play nickel personnel and we're going to play the pass virtually the entire game. Because every time you try to run the ball at me and I'm scoring 30, I don't give a shit if you run for 200 yards. You're not going to beat me, right? You can't, you're not going to have enough possessions to score 30 a game unless I just give it to you, you last year, Dak gets hurt, offense goes to the bottom of the league and all of a sudden the, the warts of the defense. Yes, Micah Parsons is not nearly as effective if he's not rushing the passer and so on and so forth. The defensive backs are not Granted, they were hurt. They're not nearly as impactful. If you're not throwing the ball 35 times a year. Game end of the game you're trying to play catch up and you're throwing pick sixes to Bland and Diggs. That's what they were built last year. The offense falls apart and the defense gets exposed. They overcorrect on defense. Right. They're saying we don't need Micah Parsons. We need to get better at stopping the run. And now I ask, who cares how good you are stopping the run? If your offense is going to score 30 a game, you better defend the pass, you better rush the passer and you better play defense in the back end because that's what teams are going to have to do to chase your point. So they're a little misaligned in their approach. If they can get the defense rushing the passer like they did yesterday more consistently, it will go a long way.

[F]

And like you said too like sprinkling and playing more man, playing to the strengths of the, the corners that you did pay because again, when their offense was high flying and their defense was kind of complimenting them, they were very good in the turnover category. Creating takeaways, getting picks like you said, sacks. But yeah, you're right there.

[E]

Yeah. Everything you just said reminded me of the old Colts with Peyton Manning. Like you have a defense that's built to play against the pass and you have paint man who's going to put up 30, 30 plus against game. And so yeah, I, yeah, fully agree.

[A]

Yeah. So we're going to sit in Cover 2 and Bob Sanders is going to run around the back end and if you want to run against our soft boxes all day and you think you're going to keep pace with Pton Manning, knock yourself out.

[E]

Yeah, go for it. Have fun with that.

[F]

And you know, he doesn't. He gets for God. But Pat Anger, middle linebacker, undersized, put his face on people.

[A]

It's always about the linebacker.

[F]

Greg's like Luke Cakeley would know about Pat Anger.

[E]

Ravens, is it, are we too far gone for the Ravens with how many injuries they have? They, they have an abysmal loss this past weekend. They're going to play the Rams this week. Are we looking, are we, are we essentially having a, a grave ceremony for the Ravens at this point in the season?

[A]

We're certainly getting there. I didn't see any of the game so I don't know exactly how bad it was. Obviously I saw the box score just contin game.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

We have Like a box in the. In the. In the booth that just is like a. A tile of every game going on across town, you know, across the league. And it just. The score just kept getting more and more out of control. So I don't know exactly the context. I know. I know Lamar threw a couple picks and whatnot, but I think big picture, a week or two ago when the world was coming to an end and they were the topic of, you know, are the Ravens done. Are the Ravens. I kind of was like, pump the brakes. They'll figure it out. Their defense really struggled to start the year last year, and they found their way down the stretch and really got better. I just. I think it's a combination of injuries. I think it's a combination of not playing complimentary ball. I think they've got a lot going on. Personnel wise, they're. They're in trouble because to lose. What was it? 40 to 3? Was that the score?

[F]

Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Life.

[A]

It was something like that against Houston, who. They've been okay.

[E]

From the offensive side of the ball.

[F]

Yeah, I was gonna say offensively, their defense is. Is very. Defensively, it's just getting, you know, C.J. stroud. They start. That offense has now started to show life. That's what everybody's kind of been waiting on. Because Houston can be tough.

[E]

Tough. Yeah.

[F]

If that offense gets going, which they did.

[A]

Did they score all 40 against. Against Baltimore. Was it offense or were some of those turnovers defensive touchdowns? Again, I didn't. I didn't see the game itself. All offense. How'd they score 40? Like, was it clean offense, 40, or did. Was it a pick six, a fumble? You know, do you know Mitch is saying something.

[E]

Offense, all offense.

[F]

Yeah. Stroud, stat line was.

[H]

I think they had, like, four touchdowns and like three or four field goals. Goals.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. So it was a clean. It was a clean 40.

[F]

Yeah, they handled them.

[A]

That's hard to do in the league.

[F]

Yeah, they handled them.

[E]

It's tough to see from the Ravens. I think they're also having an identity crisis on offense of what they want to be. Because, you know, Derek, in the first three games of the season, right. He has three. Three fourth quarter. Three fourth quarter turnovers, which is, you know, very unlike Derrick Henry. But then you get to the fourth game of the season, and he has, like eight rushes the entire day. And then this game, it seems like Hill is now more the premier bat back as Henry win. If you're running with a backup quarterback and you're missing your left tackle On Ronnie Stanley. Why not put yourself in a bigger, bigger personnel situations and run the ball downhill, control the clock and use that to your advantage because you have.

[F]

Well, they try to do, they tried to at first, but it's used to show and then they. Yeah, but when you're down two scores, when you get down two scores fast and they're stopping D Henny out of the gate, that's where it's like, like, yeah, I see what you mean. I think you need your starters on offense to kind of get that identity through Derek, through the run game back a little bit. But yeah, they're, they're in a very, they're in a very bad spot, man. They have a lot of injuries on defense.

[A]

Well, what will saying is exactly the point, right? That's the complimentary aspect. It's like the, you know, it's, it's similar but the opposite of what we're just talking about. With Dallas. You want to be a run heavy team. With Lamar and Derrick Henry and your scheme and whatnot. You can be, you can be a run dominant team, but you better not get into a bunch of shootouts, you better not get into a bunch of playing from behind. Because the only thing about the run game that keeps it in line with the passing game is your ability to generate explosive runs, right? So explosive runs are the biggest correlation to scoring points. Rushing yards are irrelevant. Rushing yards, unless it's the fourth quarter with the lead and you're just trying to convert fourth down, first downs because you're playing against the clock for the first three quarters of the game, how many yards you rush for is completely irrelevant. What are your chunk run plays? Because those chunk run plays have the effectiveness of a pass play, right? That's where the conversation between run and pass needs to be had. It's the correlation between yards per play and scoring points. So all of a sudden now you're giving up 40 and all of a sudden your defense can't stop anybody. They can't get off the field. Teams are converting and scoring field goals or touchdowns on such a high percentage of drives. Every time your offense gets back out there, you start asking yourself if I can't generate the explosives because they're playing me in high shells and they're putting an umbrella over the top. I'm not going to five and six yard run you to death and think I'm going to score 40 points. It's just not going to happen. That's the issue for these teams. And it's like, oh, they got to run the Ball more. Sure, they got to run the ball more but you better not give up 40, right?

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

You ain't going to win.

[F]

Right. Because that defense is absolutely struggling. What do you have? You got go ahead.

[A]

No, I should say that's, that's the, that it's never in a isolated one side of the ball that the two sides complementing each other is the name of the game.

[E]

Right? Yeah. And but just to push back a little bit like I rush yards do matter in the sense of the beginning of the game. You have to get to 40. Right. So if you're the early in the game, you're handling the time of possession, you're running the ball, you're getting yourself in third and manageables, you're keeping your defense at the off the field so they're more fresh. You can keep games in closer tight knit situations than getting blown out 40 to 30.

[I]

Yeah.

[A]

So again is the object to not get blown out or is the object.

[E]

To win objects to be in the game in the fourth quarter when you're down.

[F]

But on that compliment you need a defense that it's got to stop the nosebleed like they're, they're getting gas in the road.

[A]

But no, it's an interesting conversation about the run. Again, I'm not, I'm not an anti run guy. I believe quarterbacks need to be under center. I, I believe that run game under center. I think shotgun run in today's day and age in the NFL is very hard. I think think it's hard on the lineman. I think under center play action is the best time to throw. Like I'm an under center NFL advocate. I think it's easier for the lineman, I think it's easier for the quarterback. I think there's more friendly throws. I think the run in the pass game look the same. I think there's a lot of benefits. I think that's why you're seeing so many of the top offenses around the league do it. As far as rush yards, if you tell me you rush for 150 yards, my first question is when did those yards come and how many rushes did you have? Yeah, if you rush for 150 yards and you ran the ball 35 times on me, I don't care. You probably didn't win unless I had two pick sixes and the game just got out of hand and you just milked the lead in the second half. Unique circumstances but in just an offense versus offense, even even possession game, take special teams pick sixes, punt returns, those out those out of normal plays, offense versus offense. If you're not, if you're not generating huge chunk plays on the ground, the 70 yard Derrick Henry runs the 60 yard, Lamar Jackson scrambles and all that. If you're just going to run the ball at five yards a clip, you can win the game. I'm not saying you can't, but you're most likely not going to win the game. 35, 30.

[E]

Yeah, that's true. But my, my. The only thing I'm saying is if you're the Ravens and you're down this many guys and you're. You have six defensive starters out hurt the. In my mind it's like, hey, how do we get this hurt. Also hurt offense to, to help our defense out and it's keeping our defense off the field. Right.

[A]

No question.

[E]

Wear him down over and over again. Get yourself in third and manageable where the five yards a clip do. Yeah, you're not the, the goal of that situation is not to get the scorebot the box score into the 30s for both team. It's to keep it in that, you know, 2114 range showing you're the fourth quarter. You're outmanned from a talent perspective because you're out your starters. You are now putting, you're in a position to be like, hey, if a couple things go away, we can win. If we do have to throw the ball. That's, that's where I'm coming from. I'm a big, I'm a big run the ball guy.

[A]

It makes a ton of sense. I get it. I think the question becomes are you confident enough that you can go this slow it down methodical, probably 10 plays. If you get the ball to minus 30, it's probably going to take you eight to 12 plays to score. In that, that type of approach, you better be 80, 80 plus percent in the red zone. You better really be willing to use fourth down and not settle for field goals. Like if you're going to commit to that style of game, which, which you're probably right. That's probably what Baltimore needs to be right now to at least not get blown out. But with that being said, you got to commit all the way. There's no 34 yard field goals on fourth and four. You got to go for it.

[E]

It.

[A]

If you're going to spend all that time methodically going down the field and then it's just going to turn into a field goal fest, you're probably not going to lose 40 to 3. You're probably going to lose 30 to 10.

[E]

Yeah. Yeah. No, I. I agree that.

[A]

Is that better? Like, if they lost today, 2813, do they feel better? Maybe.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I think their ego feels a little better. I don't think they're any closer to being good.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And more. It's like, off of that. It's like once you go down two scores, it's like, let's get the lifeboats out there in the water and we gotta bail. We gotta jump.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[F]

Exactly what we wanted to do. You kind of need.

[A]

I think the whole season looks different if they don't blow those couple games early. Right. Like the Buffalo game. That game's in the bag. You can't lose that game. I think that was super deflating. What was the. Remind me which game? You mentioned it. Taylor. The fumble. What was the other game he played?

[E]

They played Detroit.

[F]

They got smacked by the Lions.

[E]

Yeah, Lions pulled away from them.

[F]

That's really the. Bill.

[E]

No, Chiefs pulled away from them. And there was one more because they're one in four now. What is that game?

[A]

Fumbled, three. One was the Buffalo.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe it was Detroit. Was Detroit.

[F]

No, Detroit. Detroit was kind of. Detroit was in control of that game. Who else did they lose?

[A]

I don't know.

[F]

Bills, anyway. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was it. It's Bill.

[E]

It was Bills, Detroit Chiefs and.

[F]

Yeah, Bills, Detroit Chiefs and Tex.

[E]

Texans. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

That's really. Yeah, They're. They're. They're in a tough spot.

[E]

Yeah. They should. They should have two wins.

[F]

Did you get to watch the game of Denver and Philly at all?

[A]

I. I saw the end on the box, because it was going on during ours, but. So I saw. I saw the ending. I saw Philly took the lead. I. I saw Denver took the lead. Went for two. Yeah. To go up by one, Right?

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

Yep.

[A]

Then I saw. They kicked a field goal to go up four, but I didn't see the final drive. Philly had the ball down four at the end, right?

[F]

Yeah. And honestly, Philly. Philly was in position. They were hitting some, you know, chunk plays to get down there quick, whether they could have a good Hail Mary or not. And then they had a pass there at the very end where it very much was a defensive pass interference call that they. That the referees did not call. You never want to blame the refs. It's like, as a team, you want to be in a better position anyway way. But it was a very spicy game at the end, and I do think a very, very failed job by the referees not calling that defensive PI. I don't know if you caught that part.

[A]

Was it on a. It was how.

[E]

How far.

[A]

I saw the. That clip of it. How far was the Hail Mary? How far was the pass on that?

[F]

It was. They would have been, you know, inside the tent. Yeah, you would have been inside the 10. Looking at a final play. You would have looked at a final place.

[A]

Where was the ball snapped from what yard line?

[F]

A ball snapped from, like, the 40. Their own 47, I believe so it.

[A]

Was almost like a Hail Mary. Just didn't get it to the end zone.

[F]

Right. Wasn't it their own 47? Or maybe they were in there. Maybe they're in the apartment.

[A]

I would love to know in the history of Hail Marys, how many defensive pass interferences have ever been called?

[F]

But this wasn't a final play. This wasn't a Hail Mary final play. Like, they were still trying to get closer because they had maybe 10 to 13 seconds left on the clock. So they were trying to get closer so that they. They could have. Yeah, that way they could have, because it was kind of. To Goddard on the sidelines, kind of goes back, shoulder, DB's all over him, kind of grabbing his pad. There's nothing that got called. So then they did throw a Hail Mary, which, by the way, they had a shot at that Hail Mary. I think if Devonte Smith and A.J. brown aren't both having their own frustrations on catching the ball, one of them just lets the other one catch the ball and they win because AJ, they're kind of both going up for it. AJ's kind of tackling them as they're coming down. They drop it. But yeah, man, they're just there. Seems there's something happening in Philly because you look at.

[E]

We called it this week.

[F]

You look at AJ's presser after the game, where it's like AJ kind of had a double move to where there was. There could have been a shot for him to catch the ball. If he continues to stay, you know, accelerating and running through the route, it seems like he slowed up for a moment. So the ball looks like it's overthrown. They're talking to him after the game. He's like, I'll have to look at it more, but I think it was just a miss, right? And it's. It's. There's something there. There, bro. There's just something happening. And you can't quite put your finger on it, but there is something there. Because again, it's like Seyquani only had six carries that Game. They're trying to win through the air a little bit more.

[E]

Yeah. They're hearing the noise of everybody saying the. The 29th passing offense in the league.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

A.J. brown's direct quote was this. From my point of view, it was just a miss. Now, I saw the clip of the double move. It did seem like AJ slowed down a little bit. I did not, not watch AJ's presser. I sat, I came in here and they gave me this quote. So I don't know what AJ said before or after that, but you can.

[F]

It was the vibe of aj. He didn't want, you know, I don't want to talk to the media.

[E]

Knowing aj, obviously, he's frustrated. Obviously, he wants the ball. He's a competitor. That's all the things. But it just seems like the Eagles are very fragile, regardless of what their record says right now.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think. You know, know, it's so funny. You would imagine that the teams that have had a ton of success, that everything's a little bit easier. Right. You'd think their. Their weekdays of practice are a little lighter and they're a little less on eggshells versus, you know, the teams that haven't gotten a win. You know, you're the jets and, you know, the Titans looking for their first win, and they get it yesterday. And you would think that those teams feel all the pressure and that the teams that have been to two Super Bowls have just won the most recent super bowl and have been arguably the best team, you know, I've won. I don't know, before yesterday, what were they, like, 19 of the last 20 or 20 of their last 21 or something crazy like that. As far as wins, it's actually funny in the NFL, like, it almost flips, right? Like, the more success you have, the more scrutiny, the more people are trying to dissect every move. You know, guys are looking to get theirs. You're losing coaches, you're losing personnel, you're. It almost becomes more difficult when you've had that level of success. That's why you don't see a lot of teams do what the Chiefs have done or what the Patriots did or, you know, now what the Eagles are trying to do. You just don't see a lot of it in the NFL, because the greatest hindrance of future success is current success. You're. You're over. You know, human nature is. I've got. I've had a lot of success. I deserve more touches. I deserve a better contract. I deserve these plays. I'm not getting Mine like you're fighting that in the NFL every single day and it's hard. And I think they're getting a little taste of it now. I think last year people didn't think Philly would figure it out coming off the year before when they fell apart at the end of the season and then they go on to win the Super Bowl. So I think Sirianni shown he can galvanize the troops and kind of keep things together. And I think there's a lot of teams around the league that would love to say, oh my God, Philly, what's their problem? And you look in the four and one, right.

[F]

So you bring up a good point.

[A]

Super bowl champ expectations. I don't think things are as. Do I think they're perfect? No. Do I think there are four wins prior were all great? No. Do I think things are as bad as maybe they're being portrayed? I don't think I'm there yet.

[F]

Yeah, I would agree with you. But you also bring up good points about the Chiefs and the Patriots because whenever the noise would get loud, whether it's around losses or trying to find these little cracks in the foundations, it was such a, a team culture that there weren't a whole lot of the stuff that we're kind of seeing with the, the Philly receivers and Jalen hurts to where you're kind of watching this Phillies team or you're kind of watching this Philly team and thinking like, okay, they, there's that opportunity of. Or can you be this Chiefs, Patriots type culture where everybody's kind of galvanizing around, you know, that it's not as bad or are you going to kind of. Is the noise going to continue to creep in the locker room enough for some of this, you know, selfishness to kind of expose the team? Right?

[A]

Yeah, I think it's a great point because what's funny, they, they remind me a little bit of our, our Panthers team that we had that year that, you know, our two year run there. We went to super bowl, we went to some playoffs and had a good run. We were, we were. I don't mean this as so I say this as a positive. Like we rode and depended a lot off like emotion. Right. There was a very emotional team, there was a lot of energy, there was a lot of, there was a lot of personality. So when you look at. So I kind of see a similar situation with Philadelphia and I think it works to their favor. I think Sirianni is a highly, you watch him on the sideline a lot of energy, a lot of emotion.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I think he wears it on his sleeve and, and, and I love him for it. I, I think Sirianni doesn't get nearly enough credit. Agree job that he's done with, with what they, you know, the amount of turnover and coaches and whatnot. But that's a separate conversation. I think personnel wise, I think defensively they got some very highly emotional guys. I think Jalen Carter is a absolute stud. Loses his mind every once in a while. Personal fouls, like. I think that sort of environment you, when you're riding, it's a huge part of their success. I think they ride that emotion. They play so hard, they're physical, they're fast, they're young. I think they've got a lot of guys that are, you know, in their first couple years in the league and still figuring out, like, controlling their emotions and all that. I think those New England teams and even now with the Chiefs, like, a little older, a little bit more. We don't ride the highs and the lows. A little bit mundane, a little more boring. Press conferences, they don't really give as much, like just a little bit of a different style. And I think we've seen both styles work.

[E]

Work.

[A]

I think right when things aren't perfect, sometimes that emotion can over. Can kind of overflow and be seen differently. I think when Sirianni's yelling at the stands and yelling and screaming on the thing with Big Dom on the sideline and they're winning Super Bowls, it's like, man, I love that guy. He's one of us.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

But all of a sudden, if it's in a game you lose, it's a distraction. They're right. It's. It's all viewed through the end result of the game.

[E]

Isn't that wild how you. It's exactly what you just said. Like, when things are going well, it's like, look how. How cool and unique they are with their energy. But as soon as they. It goes the opposite way, it's like, what a distraction out here.

[A]

But it was us with Cam.

[E]

Yeah, I mean, that. That's very. Cam is probably the perfect example of that, where he's doing the Superman thing. He's dabbing on Avery Williams, same way when they played the Titans, which pissed me off a lot. But it's like, hey, yeah, they're balling out and they're showing it. And then once it like kind of throws a couple of picks, maybe, you know, things aren't going. So are they going to walk away from him? Everyone's like, yeah, the guy's been a distraction the whole time.

[A]

Time.

[E]

It's so weird how the NFL, whether it's the media, the fans, will just recency biased on everything, which is wild. So Cam definitely got the short end.

[A]

Of the stick with everyone. You have to draw a conclusion on. There has to be a. There has to be a cause and effect.

[F]

Yep.

[A]

Right. When you're winning, it didn't matter what his dance was. It didn't matter what the coach did on the sideline. It didn't matter how you ran out of the tunnel. You won. It was fun. But all of a sudden, if you're not winning, the effect is you lost. The cause is you're not focused on the game. You're not focused. You're too worried about this or you're too worried about your dance, you're too worried about pregame. It's all meaningless, right? Like, it's all meaningless. And I think the re. The reality is, it's just we live in that environment where there has to be a reaction to every action, and we have to draw a conclusion, good or bad, after every single game. And now the conclusion is going to be that the Eagles are in a free fall. They're 4 and 1. They're arguably the best team in football. They lost a close one yesterday, and they're going to be fine.

[F]

Yeah. Well, you talk. You talk about the steadiness of the Chiefs and Patriots. I think now with the Eagles having an opportunity to go, whether it's back to back, kind of have this. This dynasty feel, we'll get to kind of see if this energy, this highs and lows, will ultimately, you know, win out in the marathon, right?

[E]

Yeah, absolutely.

[F]

Because we. We know that the version of the Chiefs and Patriots that we saw, whenever press conferences do get boring, they. They find a way to kind of handle the distractions. We'll get to kind of see that. I guess with the Eagles, it'll be.

[E]

Interesting for the Chiefs today, too. I mean, it's. It's Monday right now. They're playing the Jags on Monday night.

[F]

Who you got? Who you got Monday Night Football? Jags. Chiefs. Cause I like the Jags right here, Greggy. I'm telling you right now, I like the Jags that can run the football takeaways.

[A]

I'll tell you, I. I don't disagree. I'll tell you that. That's a really. If you would have said when that schedule came out.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

You would have said, hey, Monday Night Football's Jags Chiefs can't wait for that game. You'd be like, are you on drugs? What world. I'll tell you what, I give a lot of credit. I think Liam Cohen's done a nice job. Trevor Lawrence playing ball, you know, big win, big controversy at the end of that San Francisco game. Liam Cohen going after Robert Sala. Sam Sal is saying he's complimenting the signs. I still not exactly sure what the whole point was of that whole situation. I. I don't know if you. You guys probably spent more time looking at it than I did, but like, he was saying it was a compliment to steal. I don't know the exact rhyme or reason, but, like, Liam Cohen, say what you want. Didn't get off to a great start with the press conference, the Duvall. And I'll tell you what, man, he's got Jacksonville significantly more relevant at least through four weeks than they've been in a long time. And I think he deserves a lot of credit. The game tonight looks significantly different than it did four weeks ago.

[E]

Best part about this this week is it's like, it's a true measuring sig. Where both teams are at. Are the Chiefs after what they did against the Ravens, because is that a bad defense or is that. The Chiefs are back because they got Xavier Worthy and the Jags, who have been living in the shadows and it was all Houston, but now we're looking at the Colts being like, that's the team for the AFC South. Are they gonna.

[F]

That's what.

[E]

Yeah, that's the exciting part about.

[F]

You're right. And the Chargers losing 2710 against Washington.

[E]

Right.

[F]

So week two, it's like, oh, the Chargers are kind of the team to beat in the AFC West. You see what Denver did out in Philadelphia. Chargers lose. Chiefs are now in that spot where this is, this is like a Gotta have a game. And it's still. Even if you look at Jacksonville, it's kind of a you. You gotta have. Because Houston's coming along now. Colts are obviously seen as a very good football.

[E]

Got their first win, so they could get spicy all of a sudden. Back.

[A]

Titans are back.

[E]

Dude. Okay, we, I, I know we kind of brushed over Jags and Chiefs, but I am going to move on.

[F]

Hey, who does he like? Just. We can move on.

[E]

Who do you like?

[A]

I, I will never bet against Mahomes and Andy Reid.

[E]

Minus three. I'm the same way.

[F]

Okay.

[E]

All right.

[F]

We'll see.

[A]

I don't mean literally. I just mean, like, yeah. Against them. Yeah.

[E]

Being in your position, can you bet? Are you Allowed to bet on it?

[A]

Yeah, I've never. You want to hear I got one good betting story. You want to hear it?

[E]

Yeah, I do. Do.

[A]

I've bet one sporting event in my entire life. I was on spring break, we were in the Bahamas, and I went into the sports book and it was March Madness, Girls and, you know, the men's and women's. And I was like, I've never done a parlay before. So, like, I'm literally that guy who's standing at the sports book and I'm looking and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna do like a really elaborate parlay.

[E]

For like the best dollars. The best.

[A]

It was. So I'm betting men's games, women's games, and I think it was like a six game parlay. Four men's, two women's. But it was the opening round, so it was like. No, it was, it was the opening round for the women. So whoever that aligns with the men's, I'm not exactly sure. But anyway, I picked my six games, but now I'm like vested in like Creighton versus UNC Wilmington. Right? Like you're watching games that you don't even know what's going on. You're praying that guys miss free throws. It's a very wild experience that I had never done before. So long story short, I get. I'm. I'm five for five. It was like a hundred dollar parlay. I was going to win a couple thousand bucks. I get to the last game and I picked Yukon women or one of the one seeds. It was like Yukon women. The spread was like 58 points or something stupid. And I'm like, they're gonna cover. I'm now watching a blowout of epic proportions between a 1 and a 16 in the women's March Madness tournament with. It might not have been Yukon. It was one of the top seeds, South Carolina or whoever it was. Yeah, and I'm down. It's down to like the final possessions. And the spread was like 58 and a half. And it's like 56, 55, 58. We're missing free throws.

[E]

I'm like, foul Fowler.

[A]

I'm like yelling in this restaurant in the hotel. And I think they ended up winning by like55. And I didn't cover. And I like went to bed beside myself and my wife's like, are you kidding me right now? Like you're yelling at the TV. And the third string UConn girls or whoever it was, is up 60 on a school. You've never heard of before. I'm like, you're right.

[F]

Yeah. And you're pissed that you lost $100.

[A]

The problem is, I don't know.

[F]

I'm with you.

[E]

That's every single week. And honestly, as much parlays as we bet, we hope to be in your position where you've hit five out of six and that sixth one, you're like, please, for the love of God.

[F]

And you're cussing out women's basketball.

[A]

I'm yelling at the point guard from Missouri Tech because she missed two. Back to back, one and one. She missed the front end of a one on one with 18 seconds left.

[E]

Yeah, dog, I. I feel that more than you.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

And also, if you're telling the story exactly like your wife said, they're beating them by 60. That's a good point to be like, honey, if they beat them by 60, I would have hit so.

[A]

And I mean, that's what I'm talking about.

[E]

So, like. And I would have just gave you the money. I just want to win the game. That's all I want to do. You probably didn't watch it. It was around the same time that you were calling the game. But the Titans did beat the Cardinals. And the way the Titans beat the Cardinals, I don't think I've ever seen anything like that in my entire life.

[F]

Never apologize for how you win in this.

[E]

Never apologize for a win. Never apologize for win. But dropping the ball, when are we going to. As a coaching staff or as a franchise. Fine. Guys. Their entire salary for dropping the ball at the, at the one yard line when you, when you ran like a 40 yard touchdown. I mean, at some point it's out of hand.

[A]

It's officially like an epidemic.

[E]

Yeah. It's worse than Covid.

[A]

I feel like I've. Nice.

[E]

Maybe too soon. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[A]

Never too soon. I, you know, we see it. I feel like I've seen it more in college. Seeing it in the NFL is even more jarring that you're 6 inches, maybe not even 3 inches from being up 286 in the fourth quarter against who at the time was in the conversation. No offense. Taylor, in the conversation of the worst team in the league.

[E]

No, none taken.

[A]

And the game completely flips. You go from being up 28 to 6 to a touchback 21 six six. They get it to 2112, then you throw. You then intercept the ball to proceed to fumble it and have the ball kicked forward into the end zone. Like the sequence of events that happened for them to blow a 216 lead. It's. I made this joke this morning on Portnoy Show. I was like, that's one of those where, like, if those plays happen in Madden, you're smashing your controller against the wall.

[E]

Absolutely.

[A]

You know, like, you're just like, this is such bullshit. Like, this would never, never happen in a real game. And then you're like, okay, I guess it does. You know what I mean? Like, it's the interception. I don't know how you get up this morning if you're Arizona and go into the. That's gonna be a tough one to get past.

[F]

My old man, I know, is beside himself when he was watching that, because he'd always teach me growing up, he'd tell me to watch Walter Payton, Barry Sanders. You run the ball into the end zone, you go hand it to the referee.

[E]

If. Yeah, if you're, if you're the Cardinals, like, your first meeting today is you go on, you put Forrest Gump on, and you watch Forrest Gump's kick return against Alabama. How he just holds the ball high and tight all the way up through the tunnel.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

And they're like, this is how we score touchdowns from now on. I want guys to elaborately run through the end zone holding the ball the entire time because it is. You just. I don't know if there's coming back from that. I don't know if you can come back from.

[A]

It's all tied in to the celebrations.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Guys spend a ton of time nowadays. And again, I'm old school and I'm boring and I get it. Guys spend so much time now during the week thinking through their celebrations that they are so anxious when they're about to score because their mind originally turns to, like, what I have planned. They're like, we can't even finish scoring the touchdown yet.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

It's disgusting.

[A]

Listen, you're never going to get guys to stop doing that. I know it's the NFL and like, it's a different generation than like, what we all grew up playing. So I, I respect that. I get it. But like, man, the second that stuff starts literally altering the outcome of the games, as the coach, if you're Jonathan Gannon, if you're any coach in the league, your first 8am meeting on Wednesday, before you get into anything, players of the game recap, highlights, whatever your Monday, Wednesday morning meeting is to start the new week week, if you don't flat out lay down an ultimatum of, like, how we are going to act scoring touchdowns. And we are. This is Never going to be our team doing this. That's a huge mistake. It needs to be addressed daily because that's just unacceptable in the NFL.

[E]

Yeah, it's bad. I know. We have to get you out of here. We've, we've kept you way too long. It's almost inappropriate. But I do want to just touch this real quick. Touch on Patriots Bills. Patriots were what, eight and a half dogs? Eight and a half point dogs. We talked about on ESPN how Mike.

[F]

Bravel, a couple of us sitting here called it.

[E]

A couple of us did.

[F]

A couple of us talked about it.

[A]

Humble brag there, Taylor. Like, hey, when we were on espn, I don't know if you guys know now.

[E]

I'm glad you caught that.

[A]

That was a really nice humble brag.

[E]

I don't know if, I don't know if you're up between, you know, 8 and 10 Eastern on Thursday mornings, but you can catch the boys on ESPN if you like.

[A]

Like, oh, trust me, boys. I see the boys. I got it.

[E]

All right. Okay.

[A]

I see the guys up there sitting at the desk with all the big swinging dicks. I see.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Olofsky, Greeny, the whole thing. But we did say Mike Vrabel does a great job of breaking down quarterbacks. Their tendencies and all that. They get a couple of turnovers, a couple things go their way. They took advantage of bad football. Drake May had us coming out party, the wrestling, every, you know, the, the con, cowards, all the, the main guys are like, Drake May needs a couple more years. It seems like this is the game that we're like, oh, Drake Bass here now, like, it's. He's going to be a quarterback that. And you know, we're going to be talking about is this guy generational talent?

[A]

Oh, I think he's a generational talent. Now, whether or not he's going to be a generational superstar with Super Bowls and all that, I don't think anybody could pretend to know. But from a talent standpoint, he is exactly what you want your modern day NFL quarterback to be.

[F]

Be.

[A]

He's a pocket quarterback who can run, will run, both designed and scramble run and scramble pass. He's incredibly smart and tough. That throw he made to Stefan Diggs scrambled to his right on the run. Guy in his face, puts the ball on the white. Stefan Diggs obviously does a great job dragging his feet going down, hands catch through contact. The, the degree of difficulty of that throw. If that ball's thrown two feet out in front, he's out of bounds. If that Ball's thrown two feet behind him. It's a PBU for him to put that ball on the front shoulder pad only where Stefan can catch it low and away on the sideline to set up a touchdown. Those plays, there's like three guys in the league maybe that can make those throws. So I think from a talent, from a mentality, from an approach, he's very mature. He grew up in Charlotte. I've watched him play high school basketball. I watched him, he went to a public high school 10 minutes up the road from my house.

[E]

He.

[A]

He's been a stud of a kid. And the reputation, his reputation about just who he is and the way he carries himself and his maturity on top of just his physical skill set has been well documented since he was young. Went to North Carolina, probably didn't get the love in the college football scene if he played at Ohio State or he played at Texas or he played somewhere else. Probably would have been a more buzzed about player. But obviously drafted where he was, he's a flat out stud. Huge win for Variable. I still think Buffalo is good. But listen, it was the perfect storm. Your quarterback played his ass off. The Bills made a couple mistakes. To keep you in the game. You needed to keep it somewhat low to middle of the road scoring and they found a way at the end, you make a long kick like that's the recipe to pull off upsets. Every box they checked. And Drake May is probably the biggest box because he was incredible.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Greg, you are the man, bro. Thank you for. Thank you for taking your time, bro.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

And hanging with the boys.

[A]

I could talk with you guys all day here. Hanging with the boys. I just wish I was in the bus.

[F]

I. Because I got to see the whole vlog stuff collabing on post with Bus and so all of it was kind of coming across my timeline. I absolutely love it. I eat it up. I love when it's like you needed all your boys that look at you, you're like, look at me. Like, look at all your teammates. Like we, we need. I need all of your best on this play. I am obsessed with it. I love it, bro. Keep having fun and doing what you're doing. You seem like a grinder, having to travel everywhere, call games. You're doing shows. You're trying to coach an undefeated football team right now. But you're the man. And thank you for taking your time.

[E]

Bus and Productions will be. We'll be giving you a call very soon.

[A]

Make that happen.

[H]

Vlog it.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

You have a good one. But round applause for Greg as he.

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