NFL Conference Championship Picks: Can Rams Upset Seahawks? + Do Broncos Have A Shot vs. Patriots?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bussin’ With The Boys – NFL Conference Championship Picks

Episode Theme
This episode of Bussin’ With The Boys is a locker room-style roundtable featuring Will Compton, Taylor Lewan, Clay Matthews, and Delanie Walker—all former NFL stars with a combined 12 Pro Bowls. The crew breaks down the upcoming NFL Conference Championship games, makes their picks and parlays, roasts each other over previous bets, and debates the chances for the Patriots, Broncos, Rams, and Seahawks. The vibe is laid-back, competitive, and full of insights from the perspective of guys who “have played the games.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Recap & Current Standings (05:00 – 08:00)

• The hosts banter about their betting records, take playful shots at each other, and propose tracking “units” (profit/loss amounts) for next season.
  • Notable quote: “Next year, I actually really like that. It's a new layer to add to the locker room.” – Will Compton (07:51)
• Proposals are thrown out for a champion’s belt and a season-long pot—the competitive spirit is high.

2. NFL Playoff Recap – Bills vs. Broncos, Bears vs. Rams (16:40 – 26:00)

• Bills vs. Broncos, Overtime Heartbreak:
  • Hosts lament Josh Allen’s struggles, the impact of turnovers, and controversial officiating.
    • Delanie Walker: “I just hate the inconsistency from the refs and how they double down on it...there needs to be transparency.” (17:54)
  • There’s a call for more real-time referee review, like in the ACC and XFL.
• Running Game and Turnover Battle:
  • The Bills' run game was praised, but the boys felt Denver deserved it due to the turnover margin.
• Critical Officiating:
  • Late pass interference calls for the Broncos stir up debate about how tightly officials should call playoff games.
• Bears vs. Rams, Playoff Miscues:
  • Chicago’s DJ Moore was criticized for not running through his route in a pivotal moment.
    • Delanie Walker: “Bruh, you gotta expect the ball coming to you every play. You the main receiver.” (21:05)
  • The panel wonders if Bears coach Ben Johnson should have gone for two and ended the game, praising NFL teams that stick to analytics and go aggressive when it matters.

3. Big Picture: Leadership, Coaching, and Team Trajectories (32:00 – 35:00)

• Green Bay’s LaFleur and the Packers’ future leadership discussed.
• Notable moment: Clay offers kind words (and some trolling) to the Bears organization.
  • Clay Matthews: “Congratulations on a great year...for all that, I want to say you’re welcome. You’re welcome for me sparking that match..." (30:50)
• The expected rivalry between Packers and Bears is seen as good for the league.

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Conference Championship Game Previews & Picks

4. AFC Championship: Patriots at Broncos (38:53 – 47:33)

• Backdrop: Broncos are underdogs (+5.5), star QB Bo Nix is out, Patriots favored.
• Key Takeaways:
  • Delanie Walker: “Without their star quarterback in Denver...I just don’t feel like Denver is going to be able to keep up with the Patriots, man.” (40:17)
  • Panel agrees: Patriots are the safer pick, but everyone expects a closer game than the spread suggests.
  • Delanie moves the Patriots line to -2.5, expecting a field goal difference.
    • Delanie Walker: “I think the Patriots will win this game...but it will be closer than what the house have it.” (41:38)
  • Will highlights the Patriots' resurgence: “Their offense is cooled down, but their defense has stepped up – two games, only 19 points allowed in the postseason.” (43:24)
  • The boys note the Patriots’ superior run game and point out matchup issues for the Broncos’ backup QB.
  • Fun historical note: The Broncos’ backup QB was drafted by New England—possible “revenge game” narrative.
• Bets & Parlays:
  • Will has three straight bets (Patriots -2.5, Stevenson over 48.5 rushing yards, Stevenson over 2.5 receptions) and a parlay with Drake May alt line passing yards over 175.
    • Parlay: “That same game parlay is +413. Nice little deal.” (49:17)
  • Delanie and the others settle on Patriots -5.5 or -2.5, depending on betting style. Will aims big to make up for last week.

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5. NFC Championship: Rams at Seahawks (59:46 – 77:23)

• Set-up: Seahawks favored by 2.5 at home; playoff atmosphere in Seattle.
• Breakdown:
  • Delanie rides with Seattle: “I'm going Seahawks. Just because they playing in the 12th man...I don't think anyone can beat Seattle in Seattle.” (60:10)
  • Clay and Will argue Rams have the firepower, citing Stafford’s previous performances & the “rubber match” narrative.
    • Clay Matthews: “When it's a divisional game, you throw away what's happened these previous two weeks...this is the rubber match.” (71:22)
  • The panel debates the effect of crowd noise, weather, and playoff experience. Delanie emphasizes how hard it is to play in Seattle: “I'm not gonna lie. It's the worst stadium to play in. You can't hear...the atmosphere is unbelievable.” (63:38)
• Bets & Parlays:
  • Delanie and one host stick with Seahawks -2.5.
  • Clay & Will lean Rams moneyline for the upset, citing matchups and playoff mojo.
  • Will builds a “sexy” parlay: Kenneth Walker anytime TD, Stafford over 253.5 passing, Puka Nacua 6+ receptions, JSN 5+ receptions, Kyren Williams 30+ rushing, Rams +7.5; odds +473. (75:21)
    • “That's a sexy parlay...that’s a Victoria’s Secret parlay.” (78:23)
• Strategy Chat:
  • Debates about the wisdom of massive parlays, money line underdogs, and trash talk about who’s trailing in the standings.
  • High-stakes joking about betting $10k, $100k, or “betting a million” (84:41–85:12).

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Highlights & Memorable Quotes

• On Playoff Pressure:
  • “The first half tells a story, but the second half—second half is where legends are made.” – Host (03:41)
• On Running the Table:
  • “I'm going to have a Super Bowl parlay that’ll shake the world.” – Will Compton (52:29)
• On Team Philosophy:
  • “Production over potential seems like the move.” – Host (79:23)
• On NFL’s Best Games:
  • “Patriots-Falcons 28–3—has to be the comeback of all time.” (82:47)

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Notable Timestamps

• Standings & Trash Talk: 05:00–08:00
• Bills-Broncos Review & Officiating: 17:00–18:55
• Chicago Bears late game decision dilemma: 24:36–27:26
• Packers-Bears rivalry, leadership talk: 32:00–35:00
• AFC Champ Game Preview (Patriots/Broncos): 38:53–47:33
• Parlay Building Session: 48:14–52:47
• Rams/Seahawks Deep Dive & Bets: 59:46–78:23
• History & Scheme Banter (Niners/Packers): 63:38–70:25
• Biggest NFL games reminisced: 82:04–84:17

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Conclusion

This episode is a perfect blend of NFL insight, high-level playoff analysis, and former player banter. The group offers a strong preview of both conference championships, thoughtful takes on coaching and leadership, and expansive betting advice. The chemistry, trash talk, and open debate (with a few classic stories and scheme breakdowns thrown in) make for an episode that’s as entertaining as it is informative—especially for NFL and sports betting fans.

Transcript

[A]

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome into another episode of the Locker Room. If you've watched us throughout the season, you know this is myself, Terry Lawan, Clay Matthews, Willie Bompton, Compton and Delaney walker. Between the four of us, there is 12 Pro Bowls taking place. And why do I say that? Because if maybe there's a new viewer out there who is enjoying the playoff run. They have questions. We have your answers because we have played the games. It is conference championship weekend. Four teams fighting for a spot to make it to the prestigious Super Bowl. We got the Patriots and the Broncos. Patriots playing at the Broncos. We'll get into the quarterback situation. All that and the Rams and the Seahawks face off for the third time in this season. Now standings, you get your myself sitting at three one last week, 63 and 56. Delaney Walker, one and three last week. That's tough. But the boy has a tendency to bounce back quite a bit. 61 and 58. These other two, that's up for discussion. Because if you watched last week's show, you know that these are completely wrong. Let's have a hell of a show. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm doing an intro right now. Please subscribe. Please enjoy the show. Leave a little comment. Big hugs, tiny kisses. Let's have a day.

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[C]

How we doing?

[A]

Lots to talk about what was up.

[C]

With the what was up with the you don't.

[D]

Don't.

[C]

Oh and four. Why are you saying we were zero and four?

[A]

I mean I would love if Jared could just go back into black and white and watch them agree. Them being you two agree to Clay's making his picks. Will you jump on the picks? You can discuss why you did that publicly or not. And if you guys miss one, you miss all.

[C]

But I also had a different pick than Klay so. Okay, great then also said I'll do the parlay with 1 and 3.

[A]

0 and 4. Is that what I'm hearing?

[C]

But you also told me that I had to parlay him and I'm like you also said if we go black and white, it's Big daddy. We get to pick the game.

[A]

Right? The Iowa rules. The I win Big Daddy situation. I agree so 3 and 1. I agree. But we're in a new show now. Like last week's show. You made the rules this week, if you want to change the rules. It seems like it's been a consistent thing all year.

[C]

Three and one.

[A]

So you're just three and one.

[C]

Two and two.

[A]

Hey, I'm four. Zero this week. Thank you.

[C]

I'm 110 and zero. Oh, my God.

[A]

I mean, did I say anything incorrect there, Clay? Did I not? Did I say to you, hey, if you're gonna do all these lines, let's parlay them all together.

[D]

You can say whatever you want to say, but I just want to let you know, tell me the viewers see through this. Thinly veiled, you know, what you got going on. All right.

[A]

Thinly veiled, what I got going on?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, what do I have going on?

[D]

You know, there's a little. Just animosity is all. There's a little animosity. Okay. That's all I'm saying. 0, 4, 2 and 2. But it doesn't matter. I'm doing well. Okay.

[C]

Did you see the parlay I hit over the weekend? The money line parlay? Honey, you're at these Moneyline parlay.

[E]

That was nice.

[D]

Keep the boy up.

[C]

I thought I did drop it. Yeah, I dropped it.

[E]

He dropped it in the chat.

[D]

In the chat, yeah.

[A]

Hey, you're talking about this Finley. Veiled animosity, buddy.

[D]

We.

[A]

You're in the bottom.

[D]

Yeah, it's okay. It's okay.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Hey, I'm a rookie. I hit the rookie wall. Okay.

[E]

I'm gonna bounce back.

[D]

All right. All right.

[A]

I can get on.

[D]

I hit the rookie wall.

[A]

I can buy into that.

[D]

So we're gonna get better next year. There's going to be some changes around this offseason. If I'm invited, you're invited.

[A]

You're invited. Do you want to verbally commit to doing the lock on?

[D]

I signed a one year free agent deal, so we're going to have to talk this off season.

[C]

You just said when you come back, there's going to be some rule changes.

[D]

There is. There's going to be some big ones. Okay.

[C]

You're more than welcome to come back.

[D]

Because we're going to talk. Hey, Delaney.

[E]

Yeah?

[D]

We'll move units next year.

[E]

Oh, all day.

[A]

Oh, you want to change the framework of the show?

[D]

No, I love the show. I love the locker room.

[A]

I'm sorry, the way the show is. You want to do units instead of records?

[D]

I'd love to. I'd love to do that.

[A]

I don't think that's.

[D]

No, we can do records, too.

[A]

I like it.

[C]

We can do records because, look. Because we see our records here, all of them kind of like. I don't know how the units will work, but let's just say both of you would be just like, net positive, just a little over the line of zero. Like, people are following your bets all year. Now you're in a spot of the weekend. Like, Clay and I are below the line. You gotta come with some parlays to make a big crack on this championship.

[E]

Weekend with the units.

[D]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Like, to make money.

[C]

Like, if we've just done straight all year. Hey, throw that aside. We got a couple parlays that are gonna get you hard. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that way you can recoup and win some money at the end of the year.

[E]

Also, if you.

[C]

So if you do do units, it would be. I do think that would be. Because that. That episode that went down with all. With everybody arguing, people were bringing up some good ideas on whether it's units based or there's a certain amount of money that gets bet throughout the year. So that way you're able to track the dollars and the units.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

So we can all be profitable.

[E]

If you're picking underdogs to those units, go Skyrim. But if you're picking heavy favorites, you even.

[C]

Right.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

So I think, like, if. Yeah, next year. I actually really like that. Yeah.

[A]

It's a new layer. A new layer to add towards the locker room. I'm a big fan of it.

[D]

We can do records, too, though, you know, just like we should have.

[A]

We should.

[C]

But the unit would be the record.

[D]

Well, I agree.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right.

[A]

Units won versus units lost or just units.

[D]

Units in general.

[A]

Yeah, I think we. I think we kind of just like a kid cleaning up his room. Let's put some stuff in the closet, those losses, and then let's just display these unit wins.

[E]

That's going to put us in a spot, though, because like you said, if you pick a Harry, like, if you're doing money line favorites, your unit percentage is gonna be lower than.

[D]

Well, don't be scared then. To pick the other dog.

[E]

The dog. And capitalizing on the dog. So even though you probably hitting more, it's not gonna show in units. You get what I'm saying?

[C]

Lose. Like, if I pick a heavy favorite, like, I would lose whatever that unit is or part that would go toward my unit. And if you hit an underdog, let's say Moneyline, your unit would skyrocket. Yeah.

[E]

Plus four.

[C]

I think that's.

[A]

Yeah, we gotta display what a unit is like to all of us. Let's say a unit is $10, and we'll be like, hey, I'm putting five units on this. Or I'm putting one unit on.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And then, you know, okay, if that hit, he's down 10 units or he's up 10 units.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That way the number just kind of goes nuts.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Need a little bank with the graphic. Yeah. Letting us know. I like it.

[A]

Units hit this weekend. 75.

[D]

Pot, you know? Yeah. Over the shoulder.

[A]

You mentioned pot. What do we think about when we crown a champion next year? We put a certain amount of money or certain something in the pot that we're all kind of fighting for a belt. Some sort of belt. Some sort of something, I think.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Belt.

[A]

You like the belt?

[E]

I like the belt.

[A]

You like the belt?

[C]

You like that belt?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

We're in a lot of red today, huh, 49er gang?

[E]

We didn't do it. But you know what time it is, man?

[A]

What time is. It's off season time.

[E]

That's what I'm saying. It's time to party. Come to San Fran for the Super Bowl.

[A]

They what are you Los your bull?

[E]

Oh, yeah. I'm making a lot of money at the Super Bowl.

[D]

Yeah. There you go.

[C]

You gonna be out there?

[E]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[C]

You gonna be out there?

[D]

Don't know. Don't know. Tbd.

[A]

What, you come with something?

[E]

They there?

[D]

Oh, they're there.

[E]

I try to run up to with them all the time about my schedules. We'll always be.

[C]

Where you at? Pull up. Delaney's, like, off in the desert somewhere making a music video. So he can never. He can never.

[A]

He's got something going on. Do we want to talk about. You mentioned something before we started the show about Pro Bowls. What were you saying?

[C]

Oh, we gotta do that.

[A]

I'm just saying, Clay missile. And everyone yelled, save it for the show. So I was like, okay, I guess we're in the show now.

[D]

No, you had asked me how many Pro Bowls I made.

[A]

Yeah. Six. Correct.

[D]

Six.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

That's a lot of Pro Bowls.

[E]

That's a lot for sure.

[A]

That is nice.

[E]

Three for me, six for us. Yeah. It should have been four. Should have been four.

[C]

But, hey, I was in a tendency. I was in a 10. 2018.

[A]

In all of our friendship, all the things we've done, how much fun was that? 2018? Pro bowl trip.

[C]

A lot of fun. 10 out of 10 fun.

[A]

Wow. 4.5 fun.

[C]

4.5 fun. You know, they shut down the park for you. You get it. You get the little gift bags.

[A]

I think Clay didn't. He didn't get to do the that type of Pro Bowl.

[E]

We don't get why you got to attend to the Pro Bowl.

[D]

Why.

[C]

Why would you invited him.

[A]

I invited him.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Y' all all have the most Pro Bowls. You, your family, though, right?

[D]

Oh, there we go. So obviously Dalen's Canadian.

[A]

Wait, my wife's Canadian.

[D]

She's not eligible.

[A]

Sniff a Pro Bowl.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Know what that kind of freedom looks like?

[D]

I guess what we're getting at is.

[C]

My wife has been to a Pro Bowl. My wife has made a Pro bowl over you.

[F]

Over.

[C]

Over.

[E]

Wait, what team? Wait, wait, what team?

[A]

You just tell what was fighting the fight, how big his eyes are.

[E]

Was you there at Washington when she went?

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

And you was dating her at the time?

[C]

Not at the time. She was at the Pro Bowl.

[E]

Oh, okay.

[C]

So you didn't know her better the year after?

[E]

Oh, the year after.

[C]

Oh, you know, she made the Pro Bowl. I was like. You was like, oh, yeah.

[A]

This is the opposite right there.

[C]

Oh, she made their palm chase.

[E]

Oh, yeah, I see. I see.

[C]

Me one. Yeah, she's got a Pro Bowl. I have zero.

[D]

Look, what do you get as a.

[A]

You both attended one Pro Bowl. We know that you have both attended one Pro Bowl.

[C]

Yeah, I cheered there. I yelled for you.

[D]

Did she get anything? You know, like, you get like Tiffany coins and I'm not sure.

[A]

Yeah, Tiffany coins.

[D]

Yeah, they gave me like these medallions. These like, like big coins. They just sitting in a box right now collecting dust. But they give you like a Tiffany for the Pro Bowl? Yeah.

[E]

Well, this was before he was.

[A]

He was a Hawaii guy.

[E]

I went to.

[D]

I went to Arizona. I went to Arizona.

[C]

That was the one Charl went to My first year.

[E]

The first year was Hawaii and my last two was.

[A]

You had 15.

[E]

Yeah, 15.

[A]

Oh, that's right. The alternate deal.

[E]

No, no, I didn't. I missed the alternate deal. And then the next year, we got.

[A]

A thousand different conversations going.

[C]

That's the one my wife made you. My wife made that Pro bowl together. Wait, so you for me, probably 2015, I'm assuming.

[D]

I don't see AFC 2015, so I.

[E]

Missed that 2014, cuz that's the year I held out. I wouldn't take it. And then the next year, 2015, that's when I went last year in Hawaii. So you did o Hawaii.

[D]

Well, except my last year was in Arizona. That I made it the Pro Bowl. Yeah.

[A]

That was 14, right?

[D]

14.

[E]

Yes, 14. Oh, okay. They moved it to Arizona.

[D]

Well, they started doing it the site of the Super Bowl. Hey, how great is Arizona compared to Hawaii?

[A]

No, no, no.

[D]

We stayed at a very nice resort. And what I remember most about that was their coffee. Great coffee there. Great coffee.

[A]

Add it to the list was you.

[E]

Had the Indian reserves.

[A]

No, no, no.

[D]

The indigenous people's reserve.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

Talking stick.

[E]

You can't call them Indian.

[D]

I'm with you. You can call them whatever you want. It was a beautiful resort, though, with a bunch of green grasses and stuff. You can call them whatever you want. That wasn't an out there, I'm gonna.

[A]

Get myself in trouble. That wasn't out.

[D]

Not with a DJT picture, but with that.

[C]

Oh, fun times.

[D]

Having a good time?

[A]

Yeah, it was the best. Maybe the best state in the continental United States.

[D]

Really?

[A]

I mean, think about it.

[D]

People say that.

[A]

I say that.

[E]

I know, for. It's a lot of retired NFL players there.

[D]

That's just because of. Is there tax implications out there?

[A]

No, it's like 4% state income tax. It's not like one of those good golfing, great golf, warm weather for the joints.

[C]

Warm weather. You go north, find some green, find some mountains.

[E]

Cocaine.

[A]

So you're on it. You understand? You go.

[C]

I think it's a great state. Good.

[A]

Let's say. Let's say you're in Scottsdale.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Hour and 10 minutes. You're at the border of Mexico. Right. You're a 45 minute flight to Vegas. You're 40. You're like a 35 minute flight to San Diego. You go an hour north, drive, you're in. You're in the mountains. You can snowboard, ski, whatever you want to do.

[E]

Oh, yeah, right. You're right.

[A]

It's a great location. And you got great weather all year round. Yeah. It gets hot in summer. Get over it.

[E]

No grass.

[D]

Yeah, that's why people hate.

[A]

I kind of love the brown.

[E]

You like.

[A]

I mean, I grew up there.

[D]

Whoa. Taylor's watching. Okay, be careful.

[A]

She knows what I'm saying.

[E]

No, I love Arizona. I'm not gonna lie. I love Tempe. I love Lake havasu.

[A]

It's a 40 year old. Talking about Tempe.

[D]

Oh, I used to go to Havasu.

[A]

There you go.

[D]

Look at that, though.

[E]

Oh, that's the older jet ski.

[D]

That was like late 90s.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

A lot of fun.

[E]

It's still popping, though.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Oh, I go all the time.

[D]

But Arizona. Isn't the water going down there in there?

[E]

Yeah, but you know how they. Well, they. They release it. The dam, sometimes, I think. And then it rises. Yeah, I know about it.

[D]

The Hoover Dam.

[E]

No, no, this.

[A]

What is the damn.

[C]

Water gets low. Release the dam, get water back in it.

[D]

What about the Ozarks? You guys been there?

[E]

Oh, hey, Ozarks.

[D]

I thought I heard one of you guys talking about this before. Was that you?

[E]

He from Missouri? He from. He know. He goes. For sure. Yeah.

[C]

Party Cove.

[E]

Yup.

[C]

What is the Horny Toad?

[E]

The Horny Toad.

[B]

Lit.

[C]

Lit.

[E]

Pull up to that thing on a boat.

[C]

R. Drive. Creek, Arizona.

[E]

Who?

[A]

The Horny Toad. Cape. Creek, Arizona. There's a restaurant there.

[E]

Well, it's. Okay, so it's another one in Missouri. A big ass bar on the lake.

[C]

The Camden.

[E]

On the lake.

[C]

That hotel Camden.

[E]

The hotel across the street from me.

[D]

You know, I've been there.

[A]

Not even he's been there.

[E]

I've been there. Hot plates and all. You know what I'm talking about?

[D]

Hot plates. Lake.

[C]

That's when you was at Central Missouri.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

White boys put you on the lake?

[E]

Oh, hell yeah. They like, bro, you got to come up here. I'm like, man, I don't with lakes. Got up there like I.

[D]

With.

[A]

Lakes like at the Ozarks. Rips.

[E]

Yeah, it goes down good. Goes down good.

[A]

Should we get into the games?

[D]

Let's do it.

[A]

What's up with the games?

[D]

Let's go.

[C]

How do you guys feel about the games over the weekend?

[A]

I think heartbroken for Josh Allen. Yeah, heartbroken. Great games, though. All around.

[E]

Great games.

[A]

Who do we start?

[D]

We started with the Bills game, right? That was the first game.

[A]

Bill's Denver.

[D]

Bills. Denver. What was this? Was that 33?

[B]

30?

[E]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Overtime.

[E]

Overtime.

[D]

That was a fun game to watch. I did not. I missed on my. Missed on my under. I think everybody did that. We thought we'd see.

[E]

We all missed.

[C]

Missed pretty quickly on that.

[D]

I know. I remember you say, oh, 46 and a half, whatever it was. But that was tough. I'll tell you. I was surprised with the Bills run game and how much success they had.

[C]

I think they had like, what, 33 carries at like 5 yards a pop?

[D]

I mean, James Cook was going off, but hey, we're addressing the elephant in the room here.

[A]

Halftime.

[D]

Halftime.

[A]

Going into halftime.

[D]

Oh, yes.

[A]

13:13 seconds in the clock.

[D]

Josh Allen.

[E]

Josh Allen.

[D]

Like he was bowling. Bowling backwards. Put him right in Field goal range. I know. You know, every game doesn't come down to. Comes down to a few plays and you lose by three to that.

[C]

Well, you lost by three in OT with five turnovers. Denver only had one.

[E]

I mean, one of those turnovers, Heartbreak, questionable. That dude was on the ground. His knee was on the ground. He had.

[C]

That's a pick.

[D]

I just hate the inconsistency. Let's get back to that. I just hate the inconsistency from the refs and how they double down on it. They only have a pool reporter. Like, there needs to be transparency.

[A]

What are we.

[D]

What are we doing here? Yeah, like, not just with the amount of money that's on the game now, but you owe it to the viewer. I think it was a pick too, because I don't believe Cooks had. I think it was moving the whole time he was down. But if we go back and look at that Pittsburgh Ravens game where a Rod, you know, caught the ball, lands on his knees, and then buddy, the tight end had any. Like, there's just too much inconsistency with the catch rule. I feel like they owe it to the fan. What league was it where they actually show you?

[C]

ACC network. Yeah, for the ACC games where you get to like, basically be in all the referees talking, talking about breaking down any challenge call. Like anything that's under review. You're getting to listen into the conversation. I think that would be incredible.

[E]

They didn't even. The XFL did it too, but it felt like they didn't even review it. It was just like, it was so quick.

[A]

Yeah, they were really quick to do that. They were really quick to jump to the next.

[D]

Is New York falling in? Are they looking at it from the eye in the sky? Like, we don't know. When does New York get involved? Like. Yeah, I just think some time should have been spent looking at that, reviewing it and then coming up with a. A reason as to why it's going to go one way or the other. But even without that, I mean, Bill's had plenty of chances.

[E]

I mean, they had plenty of chance. I feel bad for Josh Allen. I don't think he can get over the hump, man. It's just.

[A]

Oh, you're a hater.

[E]

No, I like him.

[A]

You're a non believer.

[E]

I mean, he haven't done it yet. I'm a believer. Once he do it, he haven't done it.

[D]

Do the Bills have a coach yet or. They're still.

[C]

It looks like right now. I know last I saw Brian Dayball was Interviewing for the head coaching job and he be solid. That's who's the OC for him. When they were making those in Buffalo. Yeah. Having those battles with the Chiefs, they. Ball was the oc dude, the end.

[A]

Of the game when the Broncos got two pass interference calls that I understand because they are penalties. Both of those were penalties. But in my opinion, when it comes to crunch time playoffs, it needs to be over the top, egregious in order for you to pull up the laundry. You want the boys to sort it out themselves.

[D]

They didn't call it for four quarters too. If that's how you're going to do it, don't call it.

[A]

In all businesses.

[D]

Businesses, let them play.

[A]

Yes, let them play.

[D]

That's what we want to see.

[A]

Because that. I mean, yeah, with the five turnovers versus the one the Broncos had the right to, they should have won that game. But it's just like, man, I was. I wanted more ball. I wanted to see a second overtime. I wanted to see something crazy. And it's just heartbreaking. It ended up being like two. Two DPIs kick a field goal in the game.

[D]

We did get a second overtime, though, that Bears game. Yeah, Bears, Rams.

[C]

But that game was electric. Part of me was sad seeing Chicago lose. Whoever had the ball and whoever had the opportunity to go up, I was like. I found myself rooting for that offense, but it was kind of. I was kind of bummed to see Chicago go down.

[E]

I'm gonna be honest, man.

[D]

DJ oh, that route, bro, at the end.

[C]

Hey, he started jogging.

[E]

He started when the game on the line, right, Bruh. You gotta expect the ball coming to you every play. You the main receiver.

[C]

Was it. Was it KB who picked it off?

[E]

No.

[C]

Was it Byard who picked it up?

[E]

No, no, it was.

[C]

Who jumped? Who jumped that. Oh, wait, no.

[A]

Yeah, they're both on Chicago or something like that.

[E]

It was clear.

[C]

Yeah, he.

[E]

He ran the route form.

[C]

He did jump it. But as you see it unfold, as they took. As they took that area out with the vertical route, and I'm. My brain, correct me if I'm wrong, you're the offensive guy. But DJ Moore, you're on a. You're obviously, you're still on a full sprint, but you're trying to flatten that out.

[E]

I'm flattening out to get to the ball. I'm not building up, letting the guy undercut me.

[C]

Because even though the dude was undercutting, kind of read it, you know, he was seeing it unfold a little bit later. It's not like he ran it all for him. They had that window. They had that window to hit that throw.

[E]

Yeah. Cause he expected him to get across, flatten it, get across.

[C]

And I don't get why. DJ it felt like he wasn't even. It felt like he was just running the route and then kind of just started jogging. Like, he just wasn't expecting it.

[A]

He wasn't decoy or something.

[E]

He thought he was a decoy because he saw the ball.

[C]

Once you saw the vertical take the.

[E]

First one, you should have knew you was getting the ball. But I think he saw that safety sit that played the ball on his inside, and he thought he was. Took it away. Cause he probably thought he was gonna get a quick shot, not thinking it was going to go fall over to the numbers, and he just. He just stopped running. I don't. I don't know what it was. I'm sitting here, like, as you're.

[C]

As you're say you're running that route, as you're seeing that safety kind of sit there in your brain, are you thinking, all right, I got to start flattening this out.

[E]

So if that's me and I'm coming. I'm coming downhill like this. I'm trying to beat him to the ball because at the end of the day, they both broke on it at the same time. So I'm coming downhill as flat as I can, downhill at an angle. I'm trying to beat him to the ball knowing that it's a catch tackle.

[C]

That's all you needed.

[E]

All he had to do was get a catch tackle. They was in field goal range.

[C]

Game over.

[E]

I don't know. Sometimes I'll just be sitting there. I'm like. I'm looking. I'm. I don't know. I don't know what the play was. I'm assuming he had a dig, bro. That's what I'm assuming.

[D]

But is it time to get rid of the nails now? It's over, right?

[E]

Yeah, I mean, they started. They. I mean, like I said.

[A]

She grow on you a little bit?

[E]

No. Well, like I said, she put the acrylics. Yeah, acrylics on there. So I gotta pick them as they come, man. You know? Like, I messed up one of my nails. Picking them. Chipped that thing, so. Yeah.

[C]

But it also did great call.

[A]

By Ryan Delaney's nails lasted longer than the Bears postseason.

[E]

They should have made it, though. They got.

[C]

But even on that play, it didn't seem like it was a dig route. He was, like, bending it over.

[E]

Yeah. I just want. I don't know what. Yeah. I can't call it, but, you know, you was a clear out, so you knew somebody gotta come under that clear out. That's basic. Y' all know that on defense, if someone clear out, someone usually coming underneath that clear out.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

So that's what I was expecting. And Caleb thought the same thing. He looked see the safety run, see the safety run. He just flings it, assuming that that dude was gonna be there.

[A]

I don't know what the route was. I don't know what the defense was. But when they show it from the back end zone view and the DJ is just kind of jogging, makes me like, sick to my stomach, bro. It's like, this is the divisional round and like, it's not week five.

[E]

I know.

[A]

It's like, just, bro, you gotta go. I don't even know if he's the. He's the issue, right? I'm not in the.

[E]

I'm not saying he's the issue.

[C]

It felt out of character because he was showing in the playoff games. He's been. He's been showing up balling.

[A]

But then you literally, you see like, oh, he's not running full speed regardless of what's going on or what the route concept's supposed to deliver from who's supposed to be open. Like, you know, it's like, why are you running?

[E]

Why are you running?

[A]

And this is just an option when he doesn't know.

[C]

I'm surprised because they did it a few weeks ago. We talked about this on bus, and I'm still surprised that he just kicks it. They kick an extra point at the end instead of trying to go for 10. Because they talk about the aggressive style all year long, fourth down, all this stuff. And you have a shot right there.

[D]

We had one of these that I felt strong about. Obviously I'm not the Coach in hindsight, 2020, but we were playing. We lost this game. We were playing in the divisional round. Arizona Cardinals down there in Arizona. I believe it was 2015 when a rod threw those back to back hail Marys to Jeff Janis. And we caught in the end zone. Nobody. I mean, time's out. We now kick an extra point to go to overtime. I'm. I'm thinking you got the defense reeling right now. They're absolutely shook. And I feel like if you live by the sword, you got to die by the sword. So if you go out there, nobody's going to question your decision to go for it. When the crowd's out of it, when the Defense is in flux and you feel like we got all the momentum. Do you feel like that was the. And I felt like we should have. We ended up losing the game. Larry Fitzgerald had a huge, you know, 70 yard catch receiver. We went on to. To lose that game, but. And obviously the Bears did as well. It almost felt like that was more of a Hail Mary, like. And they're playing at home too, like. And you heard Ben Johnson after the game talk about like he didn't feel good with his goal to go offense and you know how it was playing out. But I'm with you. I think sometimes, like, you just got to go for it. You just got to be aggressive and.

[A]

Just be how they've been aggressive all year long. Greg comes on our show for most of the year to like recapping all these types of situations and it's like you gotta go for like this is. That's how the NFL world is trending now to where it's like you want to finish the game in regulation. You're gonna make it like you're gonna draw a line in the sand and we're gonna determine right now who the winner is going to be.

[D]

Yeah, three yards. Where's that? Where do they put conversion?

[A]

Two and a half.

[C]

It's like the two yard line.

[A]

Two yard line.

[C]

I could be wrong.

[A]

Your two point conversions are under 50. Chance like 48 or something like that.

[D]

Yeah, Caleb can run it in. He can get on the edge. You have the number one rushing attack. I'm just, I mean, obviously to me.

[C]

It'S confusing just because of the philosophy that's been like Greg, as Taylor was saying, he's like progression, pro. Like the analytics, the movement that's been coming into the NFL. And you got a lot of young coaches who go by it. Variable being one, LaFleur's another one. Campbell, Johnson, Campbell, all these guys that are aggressive in these situations. And the extra point just feels like the conservative model. Because then if you're going the conservative model, why aren't you sitting there taking the points all game long? Because then instead of scoring, you having to score that last touchdown because they turned the ball over. Caleb air mailed one, it was an interception. Then they turned the ball over on downs when they could have kicked a field goal. That's six points right there. You're looking at 17, 16. And instead of being in 1710, having to get a touchdown and then have the decision to kick the extra point, it's 16, 17. You're now just kicking a field goal to go up 1917.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that's why that stuff gets confused because it feels like coach Johnson is like the full on aggressive type.

[A]

He goes for it. Yeah, he's a cat that's going to go for it all the time. It doesn't make a whole lot. And then Greg's big thing is like a lot of these coaches, they let the podium kind of sway their decisions when it comes to going for it versus not going for it. Because it's much easier to say, hey, we took the points. Our defense has got to play better in this situation so we can get the ball. All those types of like not passing the blame, but be like, from a team standpoint, this side's got to be better than that side was in X, Y and Z. But Ben Johnson doesn't strike us throughout the totality of the season as a guy that's like afraid to approach the, the podium and be like, you know, more conservative about his decision making.

[D]

Well, they, and to his credit, they did stop him, didn't they? Hold the Rams to three and out. They had a bad like flip play on third down and they get the.

[A]

Ball back, you know, because the defense, the Bears defense has always been like opportunistic. Who knows what's going to happen. Then they fucking bowled.

[E]

I mean, they were doing that. You can't give the Rams two opportunities. Like I'm sitting there like this fucking number one is over. Number one offense. You gave them two opportunities. You could have won this game. They thought the game was over. I thought the game was over. When Caleb threw that fucking touch. I'm like, oh, the Bears is going to win this game. I'm like, that energy at that stadium, the way he threw that pass. Three people about to tackle, man just throws it in there. Touchdown. I'm like, the Bears are going to win, bro. When they stopped him, he kept running backwards, bro.

[D]

25.

[C]

The reaction I had just at the TV next to my wife, I'm just like, holy fuck, dude, did you see this?

[A]

I jumped out of bed. I'm like, dan, you gotta look at this.

[C]

Watch his win.

[E]

That's what I said.

[A]

They did it, dude. The most ridiculous. He ran backwards for 15 yards. Just enough to get away from everybody. And like I'm gonna reset and just throw this thing to the tight end real quick.

[D]

Yeah, that play by the Rams corner too, bro.

[C]

The defensive effort.

[E]

Did he say he pushed me?

[A]

Yeah, that was just wild and doing it. Two weeks in a row.

[E]

Two weeks in a row.

[A]

Jordan symbol on the path packers and then goes and does that's like all the momentum in the world. Packers are just the most momentum based team.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And then as a safety too, just kind of being a no man's land in the back of the end zone. It's like dudes just walk. He just ran 15 yards back. Go find the only dude that's staying.

[E]

In the end zone. Yeah.

[D]

Well, listen, I think, I think we can all agree Bears had a tremendous year. And I think this is a good opportunity for me to just, you know, address the Bears organization real quick to this camera right here. And Chicago, congratulations on a great year. To make it to the divisional round when I predicted that they wouldn't make the playoffs is remarkable. And you know, you overachieved and for all that, I want to say you're welcome. You're welcome for me sparking that match for me. Just, you know, I may be retired and you probably thought the rivalry was retired as well, but it wasn't in the boos I heard at the 2025 NFL Draft. They cannot drown out the decades of dominance that the packers have had over you. Okay? So Ben Johnson, I know how good it feels to beat the Packers. Okay. And Caleb, to play like the Iceman. You both are welcome. And for the Chicago organization, you're welcome. All I gotta say.

[E]

Oh, I can't wait to read those comments.

[A]

Well said. Well said.

[D]

Put a bow on it.

[C]

Just to put a bow on it.

[D]

Let's just call Spade.

[A]

Would you go as far as to say like they're one and done? Like that was the all the success the Bears have had. They're going to regress next year. Hard to do that twice.

[D]

I think they are moving in the right direction. I think Ben Johnson is a fantastic coach. Caleb showed the playoffs. I think Caleb kind of reverted back to old Caleb throwing five interceptions or whatever it was in that short amount of time that we talked about. Live by the sword, die by the sword. That's also what made him fun to watch. Make that throw like Jordan, make that fourth down against the Rams. But you see the interceptions as well. You can't turn the ball over. So do I think they regress? No. But this was, this might have been their year to maybe, you know, at least have a chance against the Seahawks.

[A]

So they're going to regress?

[D]

Well, what I'm saying is I regress from making it to divisional round. I don't know. I think they're going to be one or two in the NFC North. The Lions obviously have to make some changes. Vikings, until they get their quarterback situation figured out. But I think the packers are there. You get Micah back, you get Tucker. They, they extended the floor, which I agree with. I think they're going to be in play with the Bears, 12 seed in the NFC North. So I like it. I think it's gonna be a good rivalry. It's good for the NFL. It's good for both organizations. Hopefully it's more fireworks.

[C]

When Harbaugh came on the market, was there a part of you or kind of seeing that, that LaFleur was in contract negotiations, like, could they make a switch here? Let's grab Harbaugh or Tomlin.

[D]

I just, I look at those two guys, I see them as blue blood coaches. Maybe that's just because of not only the amount of success they have, but the organizations they were affiliated with. The amount of success that Harbaugh had, you know, since he's been there for however long it was. And Tomlin as well, with the Super Bowls, with all the playoff appearances, with him just being him and the way he commands, you know, that team. I, I could have seen it. I didn't play with Leflore. I like Lafleur.

[C]

I was going to say he's been to the playoffs six out of seven years.

[D]

Right. But same reason why McDermott got fired. Getting over the hump. Yeah, I think they can. I think they definitely can do it. You know, we talked about this a little last week. I think there needs to be a little bit more leadership on that team, specifically from the players. Yeah, I think they need a true wide receiver. 1. Everybody's kind of looking at each other, who's going to make the play. I don't know if you heard what Micah had to say in his exit interviews, but I mean, he was just talking about how they got out strained. He was. I mean, he had an amazing, you know, two, three minute chat with the media that, you know, a lot of people don't really say because it's, you'd say always throwing his teammates under the bus. But it's just, I think it's leadership and accountability and hopefully there's more of that moving forward. I know Jordan Love is the leader of the offense, but if he needs to be more vocal, more demonstrative with his body language, I feel like there needs to be somebody on the offensive side who is the person they look to when times get rough. We didn't have that two weeks ago. On defense, everybody's looking around who's going to make the play. You know, Mike is not out there. So I think if they can add a few leaders or if people can grow into that role, then I definitely they got a chance to win a super.

[E]

How many years, Micah sign?

[D]

Four.

[B]

Four.

[A]

It's a four.

[D]

All right. Four, Four.

[C]

Four.

[A]

Bag, big bag.

[E]

You know, see what he do next year.

[D]

You know, I think he's gonna ball out. All he's done is ball out. Love his effort.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

26.

[A]

26 years old. He's probably a little late. Yeah, yeah.

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Back to the episode. All right, let's get into these games.

[C]

Let's dive in. All right, we got Brave on the AFC championship.

[E]

It's cakewalk now.

[C]

Yeah, you think it's a cakewalk since.

[E]

The quarterback is done in Denver.

[A]

Hold on, let's introduce the game to the people real quick. New England Patriots. They're at the Broncos. Broncos are Dogs. Patriots are favored by five and a half points. Minus five and a half. Total points in that game is 42 and a half. You just brought it up. Broncos, they lose Bo Nick second to last play. There's a controversial thing going on. Was it already broken? What happened? Sean Payton gets on the. On the podium. Bad news. He's done all right. Turmoil in Denver. Drake May hasn't played well either though. I know, but hasn't done his thing.

[E]

He ain't been as great as he has been. Obviously. First year in the playoffs, you know that fatigue, playoff fatigue happens.

[C]

But going out to Denver in that altitude. Denver's defense just honestly had a bad game too.

[E]

But they. Look, the Patriots were dogs going away. Now they the road favorites. I'm telling you, bro, without their star quarterback in Denver, I don't believe they gonna be have a chance. Yeah, they can run the ball, they can do all of this. But without that guy being out there with that poise and his leadership being out there to control that offense, I just don't feel like Denver is going to be able to keep up with the Patriots. Man, the Patriots are just.

[C]

You see, you saw how the Texans were able to keep the Texans in that game defensively.

[E]

Defensively.

[C]

But you don't think Nick Bonito is going to be able to get after Campbell. Look, Campbell had a rough game.

[A]

He's had two rough games in a row.

[E]

He will, he will.

[D]

I just.

[C]

Denver will be able to pressure him to at least like, you know, I know Stidham. Maybe you get a little the backup QB spark that I feel like teams get it. I know we're in the AFC championship.

[E]

But it's the championship.

[C]

I know we're in the championship, man.

[E]

Only play how games.

[D]

Two, brother. Hey, how many, how many turnovers did New England's defense force? They had like five interceptions, right? Maybe six turnovers. It was incredible what they did. I know C.J. stroud did not have a great game, to put it lightly. But if New England's defense plays like that, and you're right, we discussed Drake May not having the poise in the pocket to step up to get rid of the ball. I'm seeing a lot of sack cause FOMOs like, yeah, Denver's defense is going to make plays, but if they can go back, I'm talking about the Patriots now and watch how the Bills had success. Run the ball, take care of the ball on offense and allow your defense to just allow their offense, allow their backup quarterback to make mistakes. I think, I think this game's gonna be closer than most people think just because of how, you know, Denver has a full week to understand, you know, to Put in the correct place to understand on defense.

[C]

And everyone thinks it's gonna be a cakewalk.

[D]

100%.

[E]

I don't think it's gonna be a cakewalk. I think the Patriots will win this game. I'm actually moving the line just because, like, like he said, you, I, You. You go out there, you expect them to. Everyone like, oh, they're gonna blow them out because they have a backup quarterback. No, I expect they gonna play a little harder with that backup quarterback. But the Patriots will win. But I. It will be closer than what the house have it.

[D]

What are you moving the line to here?

[E]

Two and a half. I say they win by a field goal.

[A]

So you're taking the Patriots minus two and a half in this game?

[E]

Yep.

[A]

It's a great pick. It's a fantastic pick. It's a fantastic pick.

[C]

Does anybody have the balls to go Denver?

[D]

No.

[A]

Do you?

[C]

I don't have the balls to go Denver.

[A]

I don't have the balls to go Denver. I don't want the balls to go Denver.

[C]

I wouldn't mind seeing it. It's like, you know, the cake. Just how everybody is viewing this game. The moment Bo Nix goes out and the Patriots going out to Denver just seems like it's. It's going to be the Patriots and then obviously Rams. I can't wait to dive into that game. The Rams, Seahawks is going to be electric. But everybody's just assuming this is Mike Vrabel and the Patriots going to the Super Bowl. Variable right now as we're talking, you know, is just de. Recruiting the entire team.

[D]

I was going to say, you guys know Vrabel better than anybody. And as a former player, too, you know, the mentality of the team. Because I'd be thinking the exact same thing as a player. I wouldn't allow it to escape, but I'd be like, oh, like once you.

[C]

Get in the car.

[A]

But Vrabel's doing everything in his power right now, sitting in that team meeting and be like, yep. Everything you guys are thinking, I completely understand it. You're not going to suit up and win this game.

[D]

Right.

[C]

And show all the lumps from the Texas game that they took, that that offensive line was taken. He ain't winning doing this.

[A]

Right, Right.

[D]

That's true.

[E]

He is doing that.

[C]

All that talking about how they are going to establish. Because that was the biggest surprise to me was the fact that the Broncos gave up over 180 yards on the ground.

[A]

Yeah. I couldn't believe it because they were the second rush defense in the Entire league.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But like the Broncos defense, as good as they were earlier in the year, they have completely cooled off. Like they're not getting to the quarterback as much, especially when they're rushing for they have to blitz quite a bit to cause that type of pressure take place. They lived a lot off of the miscues of the Bills. They had so many turnovers in that game. Patriots, as much as their offense is cooled down, their defense has stepped up, making these two games in the postseason, they've only given up a total of 19 points. They're figuring out where teams are failing. They have to backup quarterback. They're going to do the exact thing, they're going to stop the run, they're going to force them to throw the ball. And we're at this backup quarterback who's only played one snap this year and was a kneel down to win this game.

[C]

10 play since what, 2023. Yeah.

[A]

Hasn't played since 2023. Eight touchdowns, eight interceptions in his career.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like. And so what the Broncos are going to have to do if will five.

[C]

Star former number one quarterback recruit in the country.

[E]

Didn't he get drafted to New England too?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drafted to New England.

[D]

Hey, revenge game.

[E]

Oh, I don't like that.

[A]

Yeah, McDaniel.

[C]

Yeah, McDaniel kind of liked him though, right?

[A]

He liked him, but he also knows what he's not good at. Yeah. So he's in those defensive meetings as well, being like, this is what we don't. This is what he doesn't do well with. Make him feel outside the numbers, inside the numbers. Whatever his issues are, don't sleep. They have a little edge of like, hey, this was the issue we saw with him from a development standpoint. He hasn't played in two years. These are probably still the issues that we could help come up and make him second guess himself. Drake. So how are the Broncos going to get manufacturer pressure? They're either Will Campbell, they're going to leave him on the island continuously or they're going to add chips and slides and all these different things versus Bonito and Cooper, or they're going to have to blitz and then Drake May He's 8 for 14 for 156 yards and two touchdowns in the postseason against the blitz. So the more you kind of look and break down this game and it's how many Patriots didn't play well. They haven't played well in their last two games from an offensive standpoint. But now there's like a resurgence that I believe that they're going to have of like, oh, we're playing. It's backup quarterback. Maybe the Broncos, as much as we're feeling great about ourselves, they're feeling a little bit lower about ourselves doing the whole defense, we got to put it on our shoulders type of talk. But once you get punched in the mouth and you kind of know we're outmanned and outgunned, I think it's the Patriots. So I'm taking the Patriots minus five and a half here. I like it. I think you established the run. They've done a good job of that. Just keep it going. Get in the red zone, get six instead of three. I like, I love the Patriots here at minus five and a half. Yeah, line opened up at four and a half.

[E]

It did.

[A]

So people are betting big on the Patriots right now.

[E]

That's why when I saw that, I'm like, oh, if it was at 4 and I would have kept it. But I don't know the house be me sometimes.

[A]

So I got no doubt and certain. Like early in that game, caught that little shoulder, got a little stinger. Like he's not 100% and if he's like, obviously he's going to be fine for this game. But even at being at 70%, like there's, there's opportunity booty, that little one handed catch in the end zone, they got guys that are playing well above how everybody in the league viewed them from the start of the season. Everyone's like this, this wide receiving crew, bottom five, we'll see. They'll probably double their wins because of culture wins, but these guys have just elevated their game in a big way. Biggest question mark's gonna be the offensive line. Can they stop it? But the good thing about this is your two demons are on the edge. And they're not Will Anderson and they're not Daniel Hunter, but they're still very, very good. So chips, slides, slashes, all the things that slow these guys down. And having a very sustainable run game is going to be what the Patriots and very good situations. Getting that third and four, third and three type of situation where it's easy, get the ball quick. One thing I've been super impressed with with Drake is how decisive he is. And he's used his legs quite a bit in the postseason. He looks at his first two reads. He knows where the rush is and he's not in this like Lamar Jackson, Caleb Williams, where you have to like cage rush him there. Everyone's still kind of like, hey, we'll put a robber out There. We'll watch him a little bit, but for the most part, he's getting away and getting five, six yards.

[E]

He's got some speed, too. He gets away from him.

[A]

There's so many different alleys and paths for the Patriots to catch this victory over five and a half. Then I see the Broncos keeping under five and a half. Unless the Broncos have, you know, a September, October type of defensive day. So for that, I'll be taking the Patriots.

[E]

I just don't even want to see the Denver Broncos play either the Rams or the Seattle Seahawks with a backup quarterback.

[A]

But what if he balls out? I know I just had this whole thing about the Patriots, but it's like that would be an epic story because we've seen it before.

[D]

You want best on best. I mean, I agree with you.

[A]

Carson Wentz goes down with the Eagles, right?

[D]

Started like he was a starter.

[C]

In the moment. In the moment. Bo Nix announced that he's done. Part of me was like, man, just put the Bills in there.

[E]

Same. I said, bills, go play the Patriots.

[C]

Yeah, just let them go play.

[E]

What is going on here? Come on.

[A]

I love it. I would. I would love for Josh Allen to be.

[C]

I got a few bets here.

[A]

Oh, you got a couple?

[C]

I have three. I have three straight bets to look into. Patriots minus two and a half.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

Stevenson over 48 and a half rushing yards. Love that. That's the over on his rushing yards.

[D]

Are you putting these in a parlay?

[E]

That's a parlay.

[C]

I have a par. I have three straight bets and I have a parlay.

[E]

Well, this is.

[D]

Remy, you're straight bets.

[C]

Straight bets. Stevenson over 48 and a half rushing yards. That's it. Sitting at like minus 110. 110. It's in between that. Minus 110, 120.

[E]

Perfect.

[C]

Stevenson over two and a half receptions. He's been a threat out of the backfield. Go look up his game log. Dude catches balls out of the backfield. Same with Henderson. The Patriots minus two and a half, but the parlay is. I have those three in it. Stevenson in rushing yards and receptions. New England minus two and a half. And I have Drake May over alt line passing yards over 175.

[E]

That's doable.

[C]

I like everything all season long.

[D]

Here's what.

[C]

He's only been under two. He's only been under it twice. And last week with the weather, with everything going on, the elements, I think of a much cleaner game going into Denver.

[E]

What's the weather in Denver?

[C]

The odds on that four leg parlay. Stevenson over in rushing yards. Stevenson over in total receptions. Drake May plus 175 passing in New England minus two and a half that same game. Parlay is plus 413.

[A]

Nice little deal. It's a patriotic parlay right there.

[C]

Patriotic parlay.

[D]

I like this Denver.

[A]

It'll be under 29 degrees. It could be zero.

[C]

Easy feel at that time will be fine.

[D]

It's not wet.

[C]

It's about 10 degrees.

[D]

It's gonna be cold.

[E]

What's the wind.

[C]

But we ain't. We ain't getting any precipitation.

[E]

No sunshine.

[A]

Hey elevation as well. That ball can still sail in that cold weather.

[C]

It's not Stafford in the cold weather.

[E]

That's gonna be.

[C]

I like Ramon J.

[D]

This is kind of what I told you on that on anytime parlay. I don't believe they believe in Travion Henderson at this point. I know he's more. I'm gonna say liability. Ramandre is better at. Yeah third down back and whatnot. I think he's their go to especially in crunch time being the playoffs here. I like that. I just worry not that Drake may can't throw for 175. But if you look at the game plan, I think they're just gonna want. And you look at, you know how many times the sack fumbles and the turnovers that Drake has had. Like they just might want to kind of like Seattle when they played the 49ers week 18 when they won 13 to 3. Just get in and get out. All right. Like it's going to be a dominant game. But I believe it is going to be close.

[C]

I like the deep ball be. You know, if they're able to establish the run which I think that they'll be able to. That'll open up Drake, his ability in the passing game to play action. Pass some of the deep balls that he's. That he's hit throughout the year to.

[D]

Where that's, you know, Cardi B going to be there.

[A]

I believe has to be.

[E]

Man, I heard my youth throw that ball.

[C]

Should be on social after the game.

[E]

Yeah, she'll be there. She ain't gonna miss this game.

[A]

So what are our bets right now? I'm going pats minus five and a half. You're going pats minus two and a half.

[C]

We got all those bets.

[A]

Solos, are you parlaying?

[C]

I have the three solos, three straights that you can get on and then I got the four leg parlay.

[A]

Got you. So you have an opportunity to go a 40 swing on this one game.

[C]

Potentially, I'm worried about it. This is where we get back in the game.

[E]

He just turned.

[C]

I was just sitting in there. I'm sitting in the pocket, figuring out, okay, I've had some lumps along the way. How do I give the people a parlay to where I believe that's going to cash? This is playoff. Really good.

[D]

Do we count all those wins? If we're going to count all the losses together, there's got to be a way we can get back in. There's got to be a life. Maybe you can throw us a lifeline. Maybe you could throw us a lifeline. You know, if we're. If we can't win this thing, can we add these up? You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Well, it sounds like what Will's doing right now is he's doing four bets. If all four of those bets hit, he's going into this Rams, Seahawks game. Four, zero.

[D]

That's what I'm. That's what. I'm busy. Okay with you? Because I know you.

[A]

New. Hey, new show. Big Daddy rules.

[D]

Big dad.

[A]

Big Daddy.

[D]

Big Daddy rules.

[A]

You guys chose. You guys accepted and chose to parlay all four of your picks. You guys are sitting at one and four. Oh, and four from last week. All good.

[C]

I ain't accept nothing.

[D]

We didn't accept nothing.

[C]

I was high when I said last.

[A]

Week, he's, yes man. He's Jim Carrey, and yes man. This week he's saying no to everything. So you have four bets going on this game. Four bets, four bets, three solos, one parlay. Playoff Willie.

[C]

Playoff, Willie mode. Jimmy Chip week.

[A]

Can I be honest with you? I hope we walk in the super bowl and you're right there at the top, right near the top.

[C]

I'll be feeling good because then I'll have a Super bowl parlay that'll shake the world.

[A]

And what is your bet?

[D]

Oh, yeah, no, I don't really have any right now. I got. I gotta wait. You know, I gotta. You know, I like to spend a little bit of time.

[A]

Hey, this show. We bet on the show.

[D]

I thought you asked what my parlay is. You know, I'll always come up with the parlay.

[C]

But you're saying hearing the. The how that could be. I could be foreign on. And now you're thinking, I want to get some bets in.

[D]

I want to get some bets in. Hey, that's why I asked for a lifeline. I asked for a lifeline like, hey, I've been taking my alums too, lately, but, like, Is there a chance, you know, I'm the backup quarterback.

[C]

Taylor saying, make it what you want, man.

[A]

Yeah, Well, I got this is I win.

[D]

Okay, I'll put it, I'll put it in the, I'll put it in the chat because I don't have anything prepared right now.

[E]

You just make sure.

[D]

But just give me, give me the Patriots at minus five and a half right now.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Five and a half.

[A]

I see tailing a little bit.

[D]

So if I go, I'll go minus two and a half. Yeah, I'm tailing these boys.

[C]

That are.

[A]

Going to come as well.

[C]

You're going to throw out some hours like straights or bets that I'll put apart.

[D]

I'll put apart. You know, I'm good for a 10 leg.

[A]

Yeah, I've kind of. I've been more of a purist this whole entire year.

[C]

You went Rams money line last week.

[A]

I've been more purist all year. I'd say 100% of a purist.

[E]

Go ahead, buddy.

[D]

For you guys, like straight, your straights.

[E]

Parlays, do they have to be.

[D]

Can they. Are they all lines or they have to be their set?

[E]

No.

[C]

So. So on the straights outside of the. Just the minus two and a half, like the Stevenson over on rushing and over on receptions, that's like the over under. That's like the straight bet you can make. I didn't go into alt line with that.

[D]

I feel like if you're going to be doing these multiple bets, that's, that's how it has to be.

[C]

You can't do like Drake may +175 passing as an alt line is like, that's a bet. No, I'm with you. I'm with you.

[E]

Oh, yeah, I understand. Okay, I see what you're saying.

[A]

Wait, he's saying it doesn't count.

[E]

You can't.

[C]

No, he was just getting, he was.

[D]

Just getting some clear over under rather than like their alt line.

[C]

He's saying, well, if you are choosing to do straights and it's one account or whatever it is, you need to pick the over under on correct on their yardage or reception, plus 10 rushing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Like I have another parlay. I have another parlay in the Seattle Rams game where I'm choosing some alt receptions. That wouldn't be a straight bet. So it wouldn't count. It wouldn't lead to what?

[A]

So you have the opportunity to be three and. Oh, essentially, hey, what if, what if you, what if you move the alt.

[C]

Up to make it tougher bet Then.

[D]

You get two wins. Yeah, that's two. Yep. Big Daddy make it too.

[C]

But going into the idea, the idea for next year on units, then it would just be a unit. Crazy.

[A]

Crazy.

[C]

Next year's the year of units. Next year's the year.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is what you've always wanted.

[E]

That's always what I wanted.

[C]

The mule making units.

[A]

Here's. Here's the situation. I'm not. I don't fully know what's happening, but I hope Beeman, who's sitting here right now, like, kind of with that blank stare. I'm assuming he's gonna know what it is and you're gonna make it very clear for the audience of how his bets are and what it counts for.

[D]

Demon's dead inside.

[A]

Demon's dead inside.

[C]

What's wrong with that?

[A]

You know, the problem is he's in the phase of his life of wedding seasons. He's also weddings.

[C]

Demon's a type A cat. He's a very prepared, structured individual. So anything that gets outside the structure creates a little bit of anxiety that comes off as this projection. But he's just like, you know, he just. He just likes it to be clear. Right. Going into it, which he's gonna do.

[A]

A great job of making it for the audience right now.

[D]

That's why we hired Ryan. He understands what you guys are saying. We'll talk.

[C]

Giving you too much anxiety.

[D]

Happy birthday.

[A]

Happy birthday to Ryan Nolan.

[F]

How old?

[C]

How old? Jared, that look is just you not participating in this conversation.

[D]

Yeah, Ryan.

[C]

Fuck out.

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Every Sunday's got games but only one fits just right. This is the true Classic game of the week. Los Angeles Rams are at the Seattle Seahawks is the third time this season the Seahawks are favored at two and a half. Total points in that game is 47 and a half. Boys, who wants to start? Who wants to break this thing down for us?

[C]

Buddy, I don't even know what to do I'm gonna be honest.

[E]

I know what I'm doing.

[A]

What are you doing?

[E]

I'm going Seahawks. I'm going Seahawks. Just because they playing in the 12th, man. And after seeing what they did to the 49ers.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

I was breathless. I mean, Seattle couldn't breathe. Yeah. Seattle came out there and literally put belt to ass. Like in the beginning of the game, I almost felt like the 49ers was not ready. Opening kickoff, return to the house, come back. What was it like a pick? Did they get a pick? The next play?

[A]

It was 17. 0 after the first quarter, I mean.

[E]

I'm like, I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, Seattle. I don't think anyone can beat Seattle in Seattle. Honestly, I don't feel like the Rams are going to go to Seattle and beat them in their own.

[D]

Do you remember what happened last time they played, right?

[E]

Yeah, but it's this playoff atmosphere.

[C]

Stafford had over 400 yards.

[D]

No, no, no.

[A]

Last time they played, Clay Matthews hit a 15 leg parlay. Yeah, that's what happened last time.

[C]

Okay, I don't like that.

[E]

But that was a Thursday night game, first off.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Competing for the one seed.

[E]

Yeah. I'm not worried about that. It's playoffs.

[C]

These two teams have been like. When we talk about the dominance or it felt like the power of the NFC this year. Year, it's always felt like Seattle and the Seahawks and the Rams have been like 1A, 1B all year long, all day, all year. But to think that the Rams can't go in and do it.

[E]

I don't think they can do it. They went into Chicago and barely beat.

[D]

Chicago in Chicago, but that's different game. Throw it out. Hey. Stafford even admitted after, hey, the weather played a large part to the way he played out there.

[E]

It's gonna be cold in Seattle.

[C]

He held onto that.

[D]

Jack. It's not going to be like it was in Chicago. All right, bro?

[A]

It was like.

[E]

It was crazy cold. I know it was crazy cold, but it's still going to be cold in Seattle.

[D]

I think that. I don't. I don't think the weather's going to be the issue. I think it's the 12th man.

[E]

The 12th man will be the issue.

[D]

But I'm saying it was a great game last time. I think the. I think the 49ers just ran into a buzzsaw. And it pains me to say this, but it reminds me. 2016 NFC championship. We just beat the Dallas Cowboys in the divisional round. I sent that text months ago where Mason Crosby hit that game winning field goal over the number one Dallas Cowboys down there, Dallas Stadium. And we went down there to Atlanta and got smacked. I mean, Matt Ryan threw for like 400 yards. Julio Jones had 180. We had so many injuries, like I think the 49ers, it just caught up to them. All the injuries, all the success they had. And they had to play a buzzsaw that was ready for them. Getting back to what we're talking about here. This is a divisional game.

[E]

But you don't think the Rams is riddled with injuries neither after that?

[C]

Not like the Niners.

[E]

Not like the Niners. They not like the Niners. Not as many star players as the Niners, but they are sitting with a lot of injured players.

[D]

They got Puka, they got all the tight ends. They got Devonte. I'm not sure about their offensive line, but they look like they've been holding up their defense. Puna 4J burst, Fisk. All them do.

[C]

Fisk. Hey, watching the game last week, Fisk sprinting his ass out to the numbers on screens and everything else. He's the one finishing tackles. He's the one making solos. I love to see it.

[E]

I know.

[C]

I've seen it. Shout out Braden Fisk.

[E]

Yeah. Braden Fisk is the homie for sure.

[D]

Braden or Brandon?

[C]

Braden.

[E]

Braden.

[D]

That's what I. Yeah. Okay, good. Turn the show.

[E]

I don't know, man. Just.

[C]

They struggle with the Chicago Bears.

[E]

I just. I don't know.

[D]

Delaney, you're going.

[C]

You watch that game, bro. The weather is crazy. Stafford, he was missing evidence there.

[E]

And I. I played in Seattle. Everything and I played in Seattle and playoff situations. And I. I'm not gonna lie. It's the worst stadium to play it. You can't hear you. The ground shaking is. The atmosphere is. Is unbelievable.

[D]

So don't let him get out in front. You get that, Rashid Shahid. Rams touchdown.

[E]

They better pop off in front because if they. If they do not start off fast, they gonna lose that game. I guarantee it.

[D]

The weather in Seattle this weekend will be 44 at kickoff. Beautiful, like, gets around 31.

[A]

Beautiful.

[C]

And it's the Rams, bro. They have this. They have the Horses. They've been there before that.

[E]

Two and a half. I'm taking the Seattle Seahawks.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Have you won in Seattle?

[E]

Oh, yeah. We. The 49ers. It's totally different. We done beat them. We didn't beat y'.

[D]

All. Hey.

[A]

49Ers just lost.

[D]

I'm talking about to Seattle. Hey, 49ers.

[E]

I'm talking about the 49ers. Everybody thought we was on steroids.

[D]

What years were you there?

[E]

2006 to 2012.

[D]

1213.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Were you 2000? Oh, yeah. 2012. Yeah. We beat y' all in the play. We played y' all week one.

[E]

Yep. And beat y'.

[D]

All. Not in Green Bay.

[E]

In Green Bay.

[A]

And did what?

[E]

And then they came to us. Playoffs.

[D]

What happened, brother? Hey.

[E]

Beat them.

[D]

Hey, Sticky.

[E]

Hey.

[D]

We opened it up. Sam Shields picked off Cap. He did six. We're going.

[E]

Hey. We was like, damn.

[D]

Then y' all came back. Score. Cap, let me get to it. Okay.

[B]

All right.

[D]

We went up, like, 14, seven. And then this is right when Kat was going off. They were running. We just weren't prepared for it.

[C]

It was confusing. Clay on the edge.

[A]

Clay was biting on that zone.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Going right down the line. I'm about to get a TFL right here.

[C]

Trying to relearn the surf technique.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Chill, boys.

[A]

Chill, boys, chill.

[D]

I know you two. Hey. Okay, here's what I'm gonna say.

[A]

Joe Staley locked him up all game.

[D]

Go back and watch week one, 2012 year. I broke Joe Staley's. And in the playoffs, I had another sack. Okay? So, no, he's a good player.

[A]

I love one of those Lamar Randall type of rollouts. And Claire's like, fuck the run.

[D]

Nah. I'll tell you what they did, though, okay? You do the surf technique because, you know, you got to play quarterback. But what they were doing is slicing. They were ranked 49. Who was your fullback?

[E]

Bruce Miller.

[D]

Bruce Miller. They might have been bringing you as well. And they will bring two.

[E]

We'll bring two. He'll take the ad.

[D]

What they would do is if, like.

[C]

Flash in front of Clay's face. What the.

[D]

Yeah, they would.

[A]

Computer wasn't working that day.

[D]

They would. Flash, bro. You're throwing a lot of insults.

[A]

This is 2000.

[D]

No, I'm just saying, like, they. They had a great scheme, and it wasn't until they played the Ravens in the super bowl with Kruger and the other white boy on that, they finally figured out, which was. Do not give them the option.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

To run that, because it was a great scheme. We definitely were putting a blend in that game.

[A]

It was just like.

[D]

And then, of course, I think I talked about this on the show. We open up. Although you had left. It was 2013. Week one was. I would take Cap out of it. He didn't. He did nothing. And Frank Gore in the run game, but he threw for, like, 400 on us, so. Man. Yeah, he had Our number.

[E]

We put that. We actually put that read option in that week.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Say 52 over here.

[E]

We don't. Because we like. We like. They going to come down hard. They crash. They fast. They edges are very fast. They going to crash trying to make the play. They going to try. He kept saying they going to try to make the play constantly hold it. We was doing practices where we'll hold it until you commit.

[D]

And he'll see it's tough because in a normal zone read, if the DN crashes down, your linebacker's gotta be scraping over. You had two dogs, Joe Staley and who was Buddy from Rutgers? Right tackle.

[E]

Oh, Anthony Davis.

[D]

Anthony Davis. He was a stud. So AJ and those guys had to get over the top. But then you had you or Breech Miller shifting going up to Morgan Burnett.

[E]

Like, brother, we were cutting too. We cut every play we come by. They'd be like, cut them. Don't stay up.

[C]

I always surf technique for you guys couldn't stand it. To me, it was always like, crash the DN down. Just go. Just go tackle the dive. That way the backer, once he sees that, it's identifies his own read. You're literally just sprinting outside. All you got to beat's the tackle.

[D]

Well, this is. We had so much success in the 2012, 2014 NFC Championship Game when, you know, it was Russell, but they were running that because we were taking the two inside linebackers. And if Marshawn, let's say, you know, we're playing inside and Marshawn's on the right, you would go crash that a gap. Force him backside scrape over the top. We had a tremendous amount of success. But you finish well that game.

[A]

Yeah, I always hated it for the defensive ends when you take that tight end on the front side and you'd go to slash and that you go to like take the blow away and he'd just loop around. We're gonna just eliminate of a. We're going to. We're going to keep it no matter what type of situation because you would have to commit to. I'm going to have to take this hit on to condense the between the tackles run play. And by the time you do that, he makes you whiff. And then they're out to.

[C]

If the backer has any type of hesitancy because you're. You're also trying to like, identify is the end crashing down with the surf technique well enough to where I can leave this. And just that little bit of hesitation, the tackle's able to get up on you way easier. And it's like, all you got to do is just get your hands on us for a second.

[A]

But also, you're like.

[C]

There's so much.

[A]

When you run that play, the backside tackle there, you get to go plus one. So now the leverage you have on that play is way better.

[E]

Yeah, because he going backside, coach. So Taylor gonna step down, crash up.

[A]

Yeah, I'm stepping down hard to make sure this end comes in. The tight end's gonna fake hit him and go around, and he's gonna take the linebacker here. I'm going to the linebacker. That's plus.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So it's easy. It's just a numbers game. It's like, oh, I can reel this guy off.

[D]

This is why, if I'm a decoy coordinator, I'm sending my end straight at the mesh point.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Take the quarterback out of it. And if the tight end does come back, you already know everybody's falling back. If your safety's in the box, if you're a linebacker, you're scraping. You know, you're scraping back there. So there's. There is no run lanes. Even if the tackle's coming up, he's gonna have. It's gonna be really tough if you know where it's gonna fit. But soon.

[E]

But it gets so creative, though. That play gets so creative, man.

[D]

Like.

[A]

And if you had a fullback in.

[E]

It, too, that can catch, too, because, like, we'll do it. And then if y' all do crash up the field, he. Cause we'll go inside of you. They'd be like. If he crashed up the field, go inside of him and look for the ball. And then they'll be like, he'll. Oh, he'll dump it to me quick.

[C]

Play backyard football.

[E]

It's just like, backyard.

[C]

You want to lose.

[A]

Lose situation. You want to lose loose.

[D]

We thought it was our year, especially when we opened up with a pick six. Hey, it was Candlestick park, right?

[E]

Candlestick.

[D]

Hey, they had two. I think he was still titty boy at the time. They had two chains.

[E]

We had two chains.

[D]

He was dancing on the don and dugout. Yeah, we had two chains. Two chains.

[E]

He gave me a shout out.

[D]

Gave you a shout out?

[E]

Yeah, he gave me a shout out.

[C]

Good flashback.

[E]

Yeah. That was a hell of a game, though.

[D]

It was.

[A]

So you're going, right? You're going to Seahawks. I'm taking a Seahawks minus two and a half.

[E]

Minus two and a half. That's a perfect at home.

[A]

12Th man.

[C]

12Th man.

[D]

Bang, bang. Seahawks gang, right?

[E]

Them boys, them Boys look good.

[D]

Hey, give me the Rams money line here.

[C]

That's what I was scared of.

[D]

I want to shake.

[A]

I'm with you on Ms. O. Give me the Rams also. But tell me why.

[D]

A little bit of is the tummy feeling.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? A little bit.

[D]

I just think when it's a divisional game, you throw away what's happened these previous two weeks. I know you talk about in Chicago, they barely squeaked by Caleb whoever they played the week before. But I think you go out there, this is the rubber match here. You know, you split the series. Everything good outside?

[A]

Everything's good for now.

[D]

Sound a little apocalyptic. Let me. Let me focus. Come on. Rubber match, rubber match, rubber match. Throw the throw the last two weeks.

[C]

Out the window, man.

[D]

I just think of how they lost that game last time and the belief they have in getting it done. Because you. Like I said, you can throw everything out the window. I know you guys joke when I go back to the 2010 season, but that's how we felt. Okay? You know, we beat Philly on the road, Michael Vick, we beat, you know, number one seed Matt Ryan. We go, we go, hey, we're playing Chicago. We're familiar with them. Let's just go get it done. And we're on our way to the Super Bowl. I believe in their offense. I love Sam Darnold, former Trojan. I see the difference in this game being those one or two mistakes, whether it's a sack cause fumble, whether it's an interception. The one thing the Rams have been the best at this entire year, taking care of the ball. If they can take care of the ball, establish the run game, which they did last time. And he went off for what, 400 yards. I see it being a shootout, but I like the Rams taking advantage of a few mistakes from the Seahawks, hopefully getting the crowd out of the game.

[E]

You think it's gonna be close?

[D]

I do think it's gonna be close.

[E]

That ain't gonna get the crowd out.

[C]

And there's a part of my nerves, too, that Seattle won too easy last week. They did Sam Darnold to where when the weekend ended, I'm like, oh, this is Seattle. Seattle's gonna beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. And the closer I feel like I get to the game, the more my mind is starting to go to the Rams.

[D]

I feel like for me, I'm sorry to cut you off, but, like, I don't know what it's going to take maybe Sam Darnold to win a Super Bowl. For me to believe. It's kind of like Bo Nix. I'm always, like, doubting him. And I watch bonus. My bonus was a stud, like, last week. Like, I love how, like, he doesn't have his first, second, three, you know, 10 yard run for a first down.

[A]

Like, sneaky, athletic.

[D]

That would be a fun.

[E]

Take care of the ball, too. He takes care of the ball.

[D]

That's neither here nor there. But CT is hitting.

[A]

What are we talking about?

[E]

Sam Darnold. You wanted to see him win the Super Bowl.

[D]

He only had to throw. What were his stats last week? 12 for 17, 124 yards, one TD. They didn't have to do it. They scored 27 points off defensive turnover. So it's like I want to see him throw it 35, 40 times a game. And I know he did have success the last time they played the Rams, but that's why I feel like that might be the difference in it at this point in the season is there's one or two plays place. Give me the Rams money.

[E]

But you remember what Will said. Like, he said Sam Donald, the only reason why the Seahawks can lose the game, so don't put it in his hand. And that's what they've been doing.

[C]

They are going to have to. Like, the defense is going to have to play a similar game. Like, they're going to have to. And they are. That's a phenomenal defense.

[E]

Well, they missing.

[C]

They running. Kenneth Walker was running like crazy.

[D]

Yeah, but Walker's.

[E]

Walker, he went butt. He went nuts.

[D]

And he's going to again. They'll just give it to him every.

[E]

Time because we don't have Cabernet now.

[A]

So.

[E]

Yeah, we have to.

[A]

Cabernet. Charbonnet.

[D]

Some type of wine Sauvignon.

[A]

Yeah, some type of wine. Grapes were smashed in the process of making the guy's last name.

[E]

Is it Cabernet?

[D]

Charbonnet.

[E]

Charbonnet.

[A]

Charbonnet.

[D]

Chardonnay.

[E]

Huh?

[D]

Chardonnay.

[E]

I know that's wine. I thought that was his name.

[A]

Come on.

[E]

He.

[D]

He. France. He's French.

[A]

He's something.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Rams money line.

[E]

Where you going?

[C]

I'm gonna tease you the point. I'm going Rams plus three and a half. Okay, that's smart, because right now it's two and a half. I'm gonna go Rams plus three and a half.

[E]

See, I. I like the doubt. So that's why I almost.

[C]

I do have a. I do have a parlay, though.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, I think you guys will enjoy this parlay. Some. Some maybe more than Others putting these together.

[D]

I'm kind of disappointed. I usually share them with the boys. I wanted to share them.

[E]

We'll trying to get. Not will trying to come back and be okay.

[C]

We just don't expect like we only have. We only had two games. Yeah, yeah. College football's over. We had two games. So I had some free time. Like let me see if I can put together something before we get on the show.

[A]

Beautiful.

[C]

So that way I'm not as much in a panic or reaching out being like what parlays we got going on this weekend and since I hit that money line one last week. But here's my same game parlay with the Seahawks.

[F]

Rams.

[C]

Kenneth Walker, anytime. Touchdown. Matt Stafford over 253 and a half passing yards.

[E]

That's easy.

[C]

Puka Nukua, six plus receptions. JSN five plus receptions. Kyron Williams 30 plus rushing yards.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

And the Rams plus seven and a half.

[E]

Wait, is he gonna be playing? He got hurt last game. Kyle. Kyle.

[D]

Kyron.

[E]

Kyron Williams got hurt in the last game.

[A]

I don't want you to send that to the group chat. I want you to send that to me. So.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

That's how much I love that.

[E]

Is he going to play?

[A]

I need. No, no, no. He can say the group chat also, but I want to hold. Hold that. A solo one on one.

[E]

He got knocked out the last game. He didn't, he didn't come back in after he got hit that last game.

[C]

Odds that is plus 473.

[A]

Boy loves living in the 400s right now.

[C]

Plus 473. And by the way, I do like, I do like Stafford straight up. Over 253 and a half passing yards.

[D]

If you parlay.

[C]

That's a, that's a. That's just a. That's the over under. That's a straight.

[D]

And if you parlay it with your other three or four legger that you.

[C]

Had on, I'll sprinkle that massive.

[D]

No, no, no.

[E]

Championship.

[D]

We put them together, big boy.

[A]

I mean that's a. I'll put them together. But 1,000 plus one.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[D]

Each team has to have its own parlay. That's what I learned.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Each game has to fuck your parlay up. You don't do it that way.

[C]

So Rams plus three and a half as a straight. Stafford over 253 and a half as a straight. But the parlay, the parlay is. Kenneth Walker anytime. Touchdown. Stafford over 253 and a half. Puka, six plus receptions. That's an all. JSM five plus receptions. That's an all dot and Kyron Williams 30 plus rushing yards as an all. And Rams to put a bow on it. Rams plus seven and a half.

[D]

So are the Rams. Are the Rams going to the Super Bowl? You might be winning, but are the Rams winning at plus seven and a half?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

I'm gonna take that parlay. I'm gonna put Rams money line on it too. See what it turns out.

[C]

I was gonna say you guys might love it in just that might be 10x.

[E]

Hey, clump. Am I looking at these right with the plus.

[A]

Hold on. Can I say who I'm gonna pick first?

[E]

Really?

[C]

I thought you were going to Rams money lines.

[A]

Money line. I want to play a little bow on it.

[C]

Okay. Got you. Gotcha.

[A]

People see it.

[D]

But hey, who's going to make the graphics this week?

[A]

Coop will be making the graphics.

[D]

Come on, Coop. Lock in. I don't even see Coop.

[A]

Yeah, I'll be taking the Rams money line. Sam Donald. Love the story.

[E]

Love the story.

[A]

So we believe him off his back.

[E]

Of the all Rams mean Seattle.

[D]

This is gonna be a Super bowl rematch.

[E]

Yeah, I know. They taking money line. You taking plus 2008. Okay. That's gonna set us apart right there.

[A]

That's one. You're taking the Seahawks.

[D]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You wanna throw over under.

[E]

You know, I put the Seahawks too. I've been riding with the Seahawks. I think I called Carolina. The Seahawks. Chicago in the future show. Looking back, I think I called all these teams who made it to the playoffs.

[C]

You think so?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Perfect futures next week.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't wait to see how you did.

[E]

I can't wait neither.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll take the Rams. I will take the Rams.

[E]

I'm taking Seattle. Seattle to 12.

[A]

Take the Rams. I'll take that parlay.

[C]

It's a good. That's a sexy parlay.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Sexy.

[D]

How electric was looming.

[A]

We're talking a little Victoria's Secret parlay.

[D]

Opening kickoff.

[E]

Oh my.

[D]

I could feel it through the tv.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

When Shahid ran that opening kickoff return back.

[C]

What an acquisition for Seattle.

[D]

Unbelievable.

[A]

Biggest win of the.

[D]

Him and Jacoby Myers, I think were the two biggest acquisitions in going to drive through acquisitions. Why do. I'm asking. I'm putting my mind in. Why do teams get rid of players like that? The Raiders get rid of Jacoby Myers for what? Third. Third round pick.

[A]

Maybe something.

[E]

It's just because they got value when the team ain't doing really well. You got to get rid of Your value.

[A]

Right. You know, you're doing a rebuild anyway. Yeah, okay, maybe I'm. I can grab a third, some draft equity.

[D]

Both those players are better than a third round pick because they're guaranteed now to be studs.

[A]

Dude, ever since the Rams went on the mission of, hey, let's forget about draft picks, let's trade our draft picks to acquire players that are already established in the league, I kind of mess with that game plan.

[E]

That's the best.

[A]

Taking production over potential. Where Kurt Signetti. Production over potential seems like the move.

[D]

How did the rams do in 20?

[A]

That was the year they won.

[C]

They traded for the year.

[D]

They won, like, four. Yeah, that was 2020.

[E]

Odell Beckham.

[D]

That was 2021.

[E]

They go and get older players a lot.

[D]

You know, they called the Rams, called me.

[E]

You was there.

[D]

Check it out. Real call. No, the rant. So I played with the Rams in 2019. Okay, 2020.

[C]

Was that a trade they traded for you?

[D]

No, they did not. I was a free agent then they let me go. Then 2021, one of their pass rushers got hurt, like, two weeks before camp. Chris Shula, who's the defensive coordinator of the Rams right now, he was my linebacker coach at the time. Hey, you staying in shape? This and that. So he put McVeigh on the phone, too. And they're like, you want to come back to la? And I had just moved to Tennessee. I said, buddy, I'm done.

[A]

Click.

[C]

You like Shula?

[D]

Shula's a stud.

[A]

You like sneed?

[C]

Cause Shula started getting head coaching conversations.

[D]

I don't. Shula's. Shula's the man. I really liked him. The thing I loved. I'm not sure if you guys had that, but I went from McCarthy, you know, a Pittsburgh guy, where there's a separation between player and coach and player. And then I go to la and I go, I understand why they have so much success. You know, I texted Devonte before the season, and he was like, I get it. Everybody who goes there, but Shula was my linebackers coach at the time, and he was 33. I was 33. And. And, man, it was. It was really cool working with him. So I'm happy for all his success. I wouldn't be surprised. Did Miami already get a coach? Yeah, they did, Jeff.

[A]

Happily.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Jeff. Yeah. I don't really pay attention.

[A]

There's too many coaches, the coaching carousel and, like, what these coaches are gonna bring, it's not my. It's not my bag at all. But I just saw on the timeline yeah.

[D]

No shoes. I like shoeless.

[C]

I think he'll be in conversations.

[D]

Yeah. I think he'll be a head coach at some point. Point. But he's a good dude.

[E]

I like him to go back to like when you trade a player for a draft pick, it. It has some type of like standards to it. Like say if you trade that player, he does better than what they expect him to do. You. That draft pick may change to like a second round draft pick or.

[A]

Yeah, you can put those kind of things in contract.

[E]

You can put those in contracts.

[A]

So snaps played, production, all those things.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Of the snaps that year, it would.

[D]

Have moved up to the first round.

[E]

But see that. That's how. That, that's how. That's why they do that. Expecting that player is going to outplay.

[A]

Yeah, but that's.

[D]

That's not a mid season. I'm talking about like a mid season trade. But whatever.

[E]

I don't know how it worked out.

[D]

It worked out for Jacksonville and it worked out for Seattle players.

[A]

I think this Ram Seahawks game is going to be.

[D]

I hope so. I hope it's just like the last.

[A]

Quite possibly the game of the century.

[E]

It's going to be phenomenal.

[D]

What. What is the game of the century right now?

[A]

What do you think? It's the Patriots. 2006. Ohio State, Michigan.

[D]

I'm sorry. NFL, Chiefs, Rams. That was just a regular season game though.

[E]

Yeah, but still electric.

[A]

Dude. Maybe. Maybe the Bills, Chiefs.

[C]

That was gonna say Chiefs when they were going back and forth.

[E]

Afc.

[C]

Too much time still left.

[A]

I know. And they crazy over the middle. Big chunk there. They're playing prevent too much.

[D]

How did that go?

[E]

We. They was beating us 32. They was beating us like 30 something to three. We came back, won that game for like two minutes left in the game.

[A]

What about Patriots, Falcons 28, three and a half.

[D]

I think that has to be the game.

[E]

That was the best game.

[A]

That has to be Super Bowl.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right about that.

[D]

That game wasn't really.

[A]

It wasn't.

[D]

Oh, I know.

[A]

But it was like. It was one of the greatest comebacks of all time.

[D]

Seahawks, Patriots.

[E]

They let Tom Brady come back and just destroy.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

That's a good one in Arizona.

[D]

Greatest comeback. Yeah, I would.

[C]

You're right. Eagles and Patriots. They're super bowl with Nick Foles.

[A]

Yeah. Also quality.

[E]

That was a good one.

[D]

I don't think that was most electric Rams.

[C]

Yeah. I'm just throwing out games out there that were like just phenomenal watches.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Week 10, 2019, Titans, Titans, Chiefs oh, my God.

[C]

Man.

[E]

That was a hell of a game. That was a hell of a game.

[A]

2018 Eagles, Titans.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Corey Davis in the back of the end zone.

[E]

We didn't have some. So we did have some phenomenal games.

[A]

We had a chance.

[C]

A boring Super Bowl. Was. Was it the. Was it Rams? Patriots?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Just two defensive beauties going after it.

[E]

Didn't Odell get hurt in that game?

[A]

No, that was the Bengals game.

[C]

That was the.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That was when the Rams won.

[D]

When they had. When golf overthrew who cooks in the end zone or Robert woods or something like that. He had him.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What about this? Was it the Saints in Minnesota when Diggs had that catch on the fourth down?

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

2018 playoffs when the Rams advanced because they didn't get. They didn't call that. PI versus the Saints.

[C]

Yeah, bro.

[A]

I mess with football.

[E]

All right.

[A]

Bet the boys parlay.

[C]

Bet the boys parlay.

[A]

I got JSN anytime touchdown.

[E]

I got Puka. Anytime touchdown. And that's plus 120. Just so y' all know.

[C]

That's crazy.

[D]

Ramandre Stevenson, give me Kenneth Walker.

[C]

Those odds right there. Total out, plus 15. 35.

[A]

So if you bet this weekend, if.

[D]

You bet $10,000, you win $153,000.

[E]

Do not do that at home.

[C]

$10 to win 153.

[D]

Million, boys. We should pull up the money. Two hundred and fifty each.

[C]

Let's see.

[E]

I think I got.

[D]

I think I got 100k.

[A]

Anytime you trying to bet a million on this game?

[E]

I think I got 100k in my business.

[A]

I'm thinking thousand.

[D]

Yeah, For a minute. You said bet a million on it, right?

[A]

No. 100,000 gets you 1.5 million. But if you.

[D]

Let's put 25k each.

[A]

What if you get a million?

[E]

Let me see if I got it. In my business.

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[C]

What don't you like about the parlay? Just Drake or which one? Which one?

[D]

Drake.

[C]

You're talking about the Rams one.

[A]

Your Rams.

[D]

I like the first one, the Patriots one.

[E]

I don't like the 175.

[D]

I just don't like the 175. Is there a 150 alt?

[C]

That's the first one the Patriots had. Drake made 175.

[D]

No, I agree. Is there a 150 alt in there?

[C]

I think so, but I want to say it was like.

[D]

It wasn't good. Hey, but wins or wins, baby.

[C]

You're right.

[A]

You're right.

[D]

It's not very windy. And I do like.

[C]

I like that Drake May 150 was -1100.

[D]

Yeah, but with your other. With the other ones. Kenneth Walker touched down in there, too.

[C]

I'll build. I'll build a super one.

[A]

One super parlay.

[C]

Super parlay.

[A]

Did you bet already?

[C]

Will I bet the two that I talked about? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Hey, do follow the channels. We'll get a super playoff parlay going.

[A]

Good show.

[C]

Great show.

[E]

Great show.

[A]

You had fun.

[E]

I had a blast.

[A]

That's awesome, man. You come back next year.

[D]

Am I invited?

[C]

Yeah, we've said it new multiple times. I just.

[D]

Hey, I leave it out there for the fans. Am I invited?

[C]

Oh, hashtag up to something season for you.

[D]

All right.

[A]

Big hug, sonny. Kisses. Please subscribe if you made this long, we will see you for the big game next week.

[C]

The big game.

[A]

The big game next week.

[C]

Let's win them all.

[E]

Clay, I can tell you the fans do love you.

[D]

Oh, thanks, man.

[C]

You ain't gotta tell him. He sees them all, man.

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