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NFL Week 15 Reaction: Is The Chiefs Dynasty Over & Does Joe Burrow Want Out Of Cincinnati?
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
A lot of injuries, unfortunately.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, dude.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
We lose the two of the game's best players with Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes, which does suck. Like, who would have thought we'd be looking in a world where we're looking at playoffs without Patrick Mahomes? A Green Bay packers team without Micah Parsons. Yeah. No Jordan, No Joe Burrow.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
All these guys.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Possibly. No Lamar Jackson. I think, I think the Ravens might make it. They're, they're, they're iffy. They're on. They're in the hunt. Or they're like they're back in the fight. They're back in the fight.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Possibly Philip Rivers playing in the playoffs.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I don't think that's going to happen.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
You never know, bro.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I don't think it's going to happen. I love you know what? Let's get our, let's get our. Our Monday, bro. Our Monday interview on here. Greg. Greg, how do you feel about Philip Rivers being 44 years old? Clearly has a. Not only a dad, Bob, but a grandpa bod going out there against one of the saltiest defenses and winning that game for what, three quarters? Yeah, three and a half quarters before they kick a field goal at the end of the game to win. Like, how incredible is it for you? Just be like, yo, look at this man doing his thing, who's older than all of us.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
He won the game for 59 minutes and 30 seconds. Right. I mean, you know, I can't imagine what he feels like this morning. Yeah, his, he has to feel just. I can't even process the. How bad he feels and sore. But I do think he wakes up this morning, walks out to get the paper or whatever the hell guys do and he's like, that was pretty fucking awesome. Yeah, like I just came off the bench cold coaching high school ball. Haven't trained. I mean, he's worked out, but there's a difference between training and working out. And I just went against arguably the best team in the league, arguably the best defense in the league, in one of the hardest places in football to play for a decade and took my team down on a game winning game to take the lead in what could have been a game winning field goal. Only that and then obviously have your heart broken by giving up a game winning field goal. So I actually think he wakes up this morning physically sore and beat, but I think mentally he walks around his house with his 12 kids and he Walks around that high school of those boys that he coaches and he's like, any more questions? Who's the baddest dude around? Because it's me, bro.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Through it. Through a touchdown.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Questions?
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, that it's just. It's just nuts to see. And you're watching the game and everyone tunes in. I love. I love that the Colts, they understand, like, hey, great season, but we're obviously not in a position to go win at all. We're not going to be able to do that. We lost our starting quarterback, our guy we traded for. He's been hurt. And they're like, hey, let's just. Let's make something out of nothing here. Let's call this old guy who our head coaches are this outstanding relationship with and is, hey, give us your best 60 minutes right now for the next three, four weeks and let's just enjoy it. And a game that no one would have tuned into, I'm sure the ratings were out of control about. It's just amazing. And then watching Rivers, like, kind of go back, he goes to like, hitch, step up in the pocket, and he like slips, realizes, oh, they're getting close. It kind of like starts this like, baby crawl thing as they kind of just touch him and he's like, oh, that was a close one. Stagnant. That was a bit of a deal there. And he just, dude, he just does his thing. See some throws out to the. Out to the sideline that just kind of die off. And you're like, what you're gonna get. That's what you're going to get with the boy. Quick decisions. It's awesome.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
He's changing plays. Like, I watched that game and I'm like, colts have a shot to get in the playoffs. I was tuning in that game to just enjoy watching Philip Rivers, like, come back, like five years. Like, man, is this 44 year old going to be able to do it toward now I'm at. Toward the end of the game, I'm like, y. I'm not counting the Colts.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Out yet to make the play.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I have them next week. I'm so excited. So we have their game against Jacksonville next week. I'm with you, Will. I'm like, genuinely excited to call his game. I hope he makes it. Yeah, I hope they. It's got to stay alive for at least one more week because I'm doing their game in Indy in two weeks when Jacksonville comes in again, two teams that are at least theoretically in the playoff picture and in the hunt there in the afc and it's a more interesting game and I'm more excited about the game with the potential of him being the quarterback.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
For sure. Yeah. He's got to make it through the 49ers. Yeah. 49ers. They got Jaguars and they got the Texans.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah, he didn't. He. They didn't exactly come back for a easy defensive stretch.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
No doubt. But if you're. If you're, like looking at that, that Jan.4th game or whatever the last game of the year is for them, you've got to hope that either the Texans have the. The south kind of wrapped up and they're not really fighting for anything. And if they are, like Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter, they're getting pulled to the side for the game. Like, hey, yeah, just lay them down.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Just don't kill the man.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Have you seen the bit of like Kevin Hart when he was on. I don't know if it was ESPN or wherever he was at. Yeah. And he was talking. You have to like, put the quarterback down. Now they, like, pick him up and they lay him down. They get him a pillow. Like, that's what I need them to do with Philip Rivers. Like, we gotta protect this man at all costs.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Texans are.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
As a country. As a country, we need to protect him.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Texans. That game, it's probably going to be a win and end game for the Texans.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
That sucks. That. That's.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I'm just. Because the Jaguars are playing good football, bro.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right now they're on top. Right now they're on top. Big game. They both. This is. This is Texas Jaguars this weekend?
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. This one's going to be a decider because they're both sitting around the same record right now. You called the Eagles Raiders game just.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Was that the worst game of all time?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
The Raiders are really bad. They're just. And we. And we. We. I felt like we talked about it for three quarters because the game was pretty much decided pretty quickly. Philly played well. Philly did everything they needed to coming in. Jalen had some nice deep balls. They used him as a design. Runner had a couple scrambles. Saquon had a really quiet first half. They got him going there in the third quarter and then they didn't really need him in the fourth. The game was over. A.J. brown had a nice deep touchdown. So they checked. The defense is nasty. Obviously pitching a shutout in the NFL is not easy to do. So I think from the Eagles standpoint, you check the box, you move on. The Raiders, they got. They got a Lot of problems. They got a lot. They got roster problems, they've got decision problems. They got to figure out what they're. They've already fired two of their three coordinators. They didn't make it through their first season. You know who's the quarterback of the future. They traded for Gino, who I love as a guy. He was a teammate of mine and a guy, I just. I love him. He's everything you'd want, a teammate and a dude. They trade for him, they give him 75 million. I think they completely misjudged how close that roster was to winning. You know, you trade for Geno, you give up a third round pick for him, you give him 75 million. I think it was like 60 something guaranteed. Then you, with the sixth overall pick, you take a running back, you put them behind an offensive line that might be the worst in the league. If not, they're in the. They're in the running. You don't even know Genti's on the team. And I don't even mean that as an indictment on him. I think he's a good young player. It's just, he's. It's meaningless to have a running back on a team that's never winning and can't block anybody. So it's just not an impactful position. Brock Bowers is a stud. Their two best players are Brock Bowers and Max Crosby. And the problem is neither one of them can truly impact the game because of the chaos going around them. So they're wasting two of the premier players in the league, respectively. Really have very little impact. And that's a problem.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
What do you do, like, what do you do in this situation where you invest and you think you're. You're closer than you really are and you have all these problems roster wise, coaching staff wise, like, what do you do, like say Pete Carroll's the guy next year. What do you look at doing first? Is it again, you're in a situation where you're always playing from behind, so to your point, you're never really able to use Max Crosby to the best of his ability. Do you look at moving Max Crosby to get some draft equity to just start looking to fill all of these holes everywhere else?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah. So I think it's a complicated. So if I played like Magic GM for a day, you know what would be my first. First off, you need to sit down in a room with the powers to be and you need to have a real honest assessment about where are we and how close are we to our competitive cycle. Right. And I think that was part of the issue a year ago. You hire a guy like Pete Carroll who's not used to losing, he has won 10 plus games, it feels like forever.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You know, obviously from college and then what he did in Seattle. You're hiring a guy who is not a long term. In three years we're going to be good. The expectation is we're going to win now because I only know winning. I only know 10 plus wins. I only know playoff games. Like that's all Pete understands. That's his power. That's his eternal, optimistic brain that has made him as good of a coach as he's been. So I think there's a little bit of a misalignment there. We're being honest. I think they need to sit down and say, okay, we need to be good in two years, we need to be good in three years, whatever that realistic approach. And every decision needs to be made through that lens. So can you. If they get the first or second overall pick, that game against the Giants feels like it's going to decide who, you know, the loser actually wins because you'll get the higher pick.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Do you love any of these quarterbacks? Right. You need a quarterback. You need to get a young quarterback so you can build around them cheaply. Do you love Fernando Mendoza? Do you love the kid from. Or what is it? Dante. Kid from Oregon, Dante Moore, you know, do you love them? That's a question. If you don't, can you trade down? Right. Is one pick going to change your franchise? No. Can you trade down from one to middle of the pack, get a bunch of picks and accumulate? You know, the Max Crosby thing's real. We talked about it on the broadcast. He's a premier player in the league. Regardless of position. You have to ask yourself, no different than Myles Garrett. As good as they are individually, our current roster makeup and our current playstyle for as good as they are, does it matter? And the answer is no, it clearly doesn't matter. It clearly doesn't impact wins because what they do great, you're not in position for that to actually have an impact on the outcome of the game, which is essentially that matters. So those are really hard decisions. Those are really complex long term thinking. But I think if they continue to just patchwork it and just put Band Aid, Band aid. And there's not a real comprehensive plan to say we are going to do all these difficult things now in the moment so that we have the ability to be good in two or Three years. I think they're a long way off.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, I agree with you too. Like, I, I don't think Max wants to leave. I don't think that fan base wants him to leave. Like it's going to be a tough breakup, but one that's like, just feels like that's my. If you want to be a good organization or a good football team in a couple years or a few years, like that is one of those tough decisions that you would have to make.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. And the biggest issue that you're dealing with is that the owner is not known for having a lot of patience behind his decision making when it comes to GMs, head coaches and that type of thing. So we're talking about two, three years from now being successful when we know the league is one of the more impatient organizations of all time. And so it's like, is P Care there in two or three years? Because foundationally you're right. Like Band Aid. Band Aid. Band Aid. You have to do a complete foundational overload of what's taking place in Las Vegas.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah. So think about it. They had the sixth overall pick. Between a third round pick, a fifth round pick and a sixth overall pick. They got Geno, Kenny Pickett the backup quarterback and Ashton Gentia running back.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Tough.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
But now you go back and you say, okay, you want to trade, you want to accumulate picks, you want to play through the draft. Now they do have a ton of cat. I want to say off the top of my head, it's like maybe the second most cap spending for next year or they're in the top like three. So there is a lot of opportunity for them to add free agents and to add guys because they have a ton of money. We saw the Patriots do it and surround a much improved roster with variable. They spent the most in free agency and then obviously they've hit with Drake May and that's the perfect storm because you take advantage of your really good, young, cheap quarterback. So the problem with doing that is you got to make sure you have your young, cheap quarterback. Right. Not only getting one, but is he the guy that I can ride this five year window where I'm not paying him top dollar. I can afford all these other positions and we can ride that a la what New England's doing now. And what, you know, the Vikings, they were the second highest spenders. But I say all of that is you can accumulate as many draft picks as you want. Think it wasn't too long ago that they traded Khalil Mack in a Blockbuster trade from the Raiders to the Bears and they accumulate all those first round picks and that's going to change their future. And I don't, I think like one of those first round picks. I think like Colton Miller, who's on the ir, the offensive tackle.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
He might be the only first round pick left and if there is another, they might have it. No, they have a defensive lineman from like Texas A and M that's a backup. But like they've had all these first round picks and most of them they're not even in the league. So you accumulate all this draft capital, but it's only as good as your ability to execute and actually draft good players. That's why Philly's been so good. All these guys that Phillies drafted, especially on defense, have become really good players.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right, right. Staying in the afc last week we were kind of talking how wide open the AFC is. There's really nobody that you go into the playoffs thinking like, I don't want to play against this team after yesterday. Are there any teams sticking out to you to where it's like, hey, I don't want to have to face this football team.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Thought Denver had a really impressive win.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I agree.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I thought, I thought that was a really, a really good win. Again, I didn't catch all four quarters. I caught the most of it traveling home. I thought that was really impressive. I thought Bo Nix played as well as he has. You know, they beat a good packers team. I think that comeback win for Josh Allen and the Bills again, is it the roster, is it the play style that we're accustomed to? No, we've talked about that throughout the course of the year. It looks a little different, it feels a little different. But I'll tell you what, these last two weeks, Josh Allen's been Josh Allen and he did it in the snow at home against Burrow, bringing them back and pretty much putting the game on his back two weeks ago. And then he's down 21 nothing on the road to at the time the number one seed in the conference and brings him back for a huge come from behind win. So, you know, I still believe that that AFC is a toss up. I believe I can make an argument that five or six of those teams.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Texans.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Texans, right. Like we've talked so much about the Texans defense and it feels like their offense is getting a little bit better. Is their offense ever going to be this Juggern? They're a little better.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, they, I, they put, they put a 40 burger on the Cardinals and that's Exciting because you want to. You want them to do the things they're supposed to do against inferior teams, which they did. But I think, I think just looking.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
But in the first part of the.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Year, we're looking at.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, first part of the year.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I'm.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
If I'm being optimistic, I guess, for the Texans offense in the first half of the year, I don't think that offense would have put up 40 on a team like the.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I agree.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
You know what I mean? To where it's like you're, you're at least like, hey, we're coming along a little bit. Forget whoever the jersey on the other side is. Right. If it was the Raiders, maybe we'd have kind of a different tune. But I, I just feel like them being able to put up 40 against the Cardinals to kind of at least compare a little bit to that elite defense has got to be. If you're a Texans fan, you got to be feeling great going into. Or being in December.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, it's definitely. I think when it comes to afc, they've been just sitting there in front of our faces a whole year. But it's the Denver Broncos, like, they have one of the best defenses in the entire league. They have one of the best offense. I think their offensive line has given up the least amount of sacks.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Out of any other offensive line in the entire NFL. And the biggest question mark is, is Bo Nixie to take that next step? Because you're putting a lot of pressure on this kid going into year two. He goes and plays at home against a great packers team and, you know, gets into a bit of a shootout for tuddy4tutties and it's like, oh, okay. In my opinion right now, as it stands, and this is so week to week where we all kind of like have these grand gesture opinions, but it's like, oh, it's clearly the Broncos right now. The way the Patriots fell apart after being up 21 to 0 against the Bills. The Houston Texans, their question marks on offense, are they getting better? Are they not? But it's like the NFC people have said for a majority part of the year, like, hey, the packers seem like the most put together team and they took that team and had to play against their offense, their strengths and go and win that game the way they did. It's like, yo, it's the Broncos and if Bo Nicks continue to do what he does, he's got everything around him to be successful now. They sit in a perfect position of they have all this talent around them and A quarterback that's in his first contract where he's not killing a bunch of cap for you guys. So there's a dream. If you're a Broncos fan, buddy, this is like, we have to. You have to get it now. Now is when you take advantage of all those things, because in three years, you're not going to be able to have Cooper, Benito, Certain, all these guys on your defense and able to have enough on offensive line and, you know, wide receivers and running backs. So I think right now it is the Broncos, and I think that's probably who looks like they're coming out of the playoffs. Now when we get to the playoffs, we'll see how Bo Nix handles the weather that we talked about. Run game, defense, it seems like they can. They can handle that. Josh Allen seems like he's going to have the easiest path he's ever had with Patrick Mahomes now being out. Lamar Jackson, he's on the fringe with the Ravens. It's going to be very interesting to see what takes place in the afc.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Because they could get that one seed and then everybody's traveling to the altitude.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
To Denver, right in that cold weather, all that stuff. And it's. Denver's an extremely hard place to play. We all. We all are very aware of that. I want to. I want to talk about the Bengals with you for a second, because before this game, where I think they got. They got shut out, correct? It was 24 to 0. 20. 20 to 0. Yeah.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
They got shut out.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Before this game, Joe Burrow, he's in a press conference. He goes, I want to play the game. That's fun for me. I'm not. He basically alludes like, I'm having fun. He's having a lot of comments that reflect us looking back on Andrew Luck and being like, yo, are we going to have a similar situation where this guy, a generational talent which is thrown around all over the place, but truly, Joe Burrow is a generational talent. Does he want to trade, does want to retire? What do you want to do? Goes into this game gets gooseach, those multiple interceptions. And you got Jamar Chase in the post game press conference saying, I've never had to uplift Joe Burrow in my life. It seems like that's where I kind of have to go now. He's done that for me, so I need to do that for him. Because Joe Burrow has this crazy body language about him. This is more of an open discussion. I want to put you just like, hey, Greg, what would you do but like, where do we feel like Joe Burrow is at right now as far as his career?
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I don't think he wants to be done playing. I. There's got to be something going on off the field, in my opinion, based on just a little clues or nuggets because he alluded to, I want to say a reporter asked him when he said he wasn't having fun and whatever else and the, the guy in the audience was like, is there person. Is it football stuff? Is it personal stuff? He's like, you know, a little bit of everything.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
And then for Jamar Ch to, he also said a personal. He elude. Not, I'm not going to say eluded, but he brought up the word personal. Like when he said, I've never been in spots where I've had to uplift Joe Burrow. I don't know what's going on personally, blah, blah. But I feel like I'm going to be there for him the same way he's been there for me. There could be something going on that nobody knows about. Yeah, I don't think he wants to be done playing football. I think he just wants to be on a winning football team. You know what I mean?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah, I think, I think it's a lot of that. And again, we never know. It's. It's so easy to judge these guys and say, oh man, how good do they have it? You don't know what's going on behind the scene scenes. I think that's all real guys are still living lives outside of the world of professional football. And it certainly takes a toll. But my, my guess, without having any real intimate knowledge into the situation, my experience of just being around guys and hearing the way they talk and whatnot, this feels to me like a guy who's saying, I know I'm really good. I didn't play good yesterday. I think he was very honest about his assessment yesterday. And that's okay. It felt like an outlier. Felt like kind of a one off game. But I sense a guy that is tired of losing. Right. I'm tired of scoring 30 plus points and losing.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Everybody else around the league scores 20 and they win 25, they win 30 and it's a foregone conclusion. You win. How come I'm on this team that over the last two years I've scored 34 points six times in a loss. That's not fun. It does people like, oh, but you're.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Making so much money.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You're making this. We all know, like the money and all that after you sign that contract and that rush is gone, the football is still what matters. Coming into a locker room of a winner is very different. Coming into the locker room of a winner, of a loser, regardless of how much money you make. And I think these last couple years, really since the super bowl, it's been a steady decrease, especially on the defensive side of the ball. They can't get that right. They're firing coaches. Hendrickson's not playing. He's their best player. Like, they're not good on defense. He feels like he carries the entire weight of the organization, which he does on his back offensively and quarterback. And obviously, he's been through some injuries and he's battling and he's rehabbing, and he's rushing back to a 4 and 8 team, trying to claw his way back into the playoffs. Every single season, they're in the same boat. They're four and eight, they're three and seven, and it's like, hey, win every game. Well, he did it last year. They won every game down the stretch. They don't make the playoffs. He comes back, he gets him to 4 and 8. It's got to win every game. He loses a heartbreaker to Josh Allen to get shut out, and now the season's over. I think he's mentally worn out. I feel like he's a guy that's saying, I'm in the prime of my career when I'm healthy. I'm arguably the best quarterback in the league, and I'm tired of losing. And I don't blame him.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's like two. Being a part of a. A tough organization or a bad culture, like, going into work, like anybody who goes into work. And like, let's say you have a bad day or you have a bad week or you have a bad moment. If you got a lot of good people around you and you're around a good organization with a good culture, you'll get out of that pretty quick. Like, we've been in locker rooms to where you're winning football team, you have a bad day or you have a bad game, and just the feel when you go to the locker room or go into the building the next day, it's. It's completely different than when you have a bad day or have a bad game and you lose and you go into a locker room where it's just. It's quiet. Like, everybody knows there's stuff going on, even the culture. When you go into the facility the next day, whether organizationally from the Top down, you just feel like you're in a bad situation. Having to do that day in and day out. It absolutely wears on you to the point to where it's like, yeah, the dude's just beat down. He's tired of being. He. He does know, like, this is one of the best players in the NFL and he's just been on this. He's just been on this team for the last year.
- [25:30]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, it's not even day in and day out, month in and month out. This has been year in and year out for John, for Joe Burrow. And it's just like if you go into multiple off seasons and the issues that you've had have not been addressed and I know, I know. The issues they have. We've all talked about. We talked about it earlier with the Broncos. Like, Broncos are in a great spot because they have all the pieces in a quarterback in the first. In his first contract. Now you have Joe Burrow who's making half a billion dollars or whatever his contract is. And it's like every year it's like, okay, their defense sucks and their offensive line gives up sex. And every year we're having the same conversation. Now we're here three years later saying, 2025, it's December, the defense sucks and the offensive line gives up sacks. So if I'm Joe Burrow, yeah, I'm pretty fed up with the situation and just wondering, like. Like, if it's not going to get fixed in three years, maybe I need to go somewhere else where it is fixed. But the argument can also be made is it's not always green. On the other side, no other team has T. Higgins and Jamar Chase and that tight end, was it Gaseki? Is that how you say it? Those type of weapons, they're just. They grow on trees. Like maybe the Vikings, you can find yourself in that situation.
- [26:34]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Stafford's done with the Rams. If Stafford's Rams, those pastures are greener.
- [26:38]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Those pastures are pretty damn green. But it's like, that has to be the fit. Like, if it's like Joe Burrow is going to go to the Raiders or he's going to go to the jets or he's going to Steelers, it's like, no, bro. Like, you're not going to be happier there because you're not going to have the weapons that you have that are even comparable anywhere else other than probably two teams.
- [26:53]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Joe's smart enough. He would know. He. He's end up with the Raiders or the Jets.
- [26:58]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Well, it. Bri, you know, it brings up the question everybody always asks and I'm not sure there's a clear cut answer. You know they're paying 50 plus million. It might maybe more than that. Off the top of my head, how much they're paying to T. Higgins and Jamar Chase. Right. So you're paying all that money there. Would you rather have a 50 million dollar offensive line or 50 million dollar wide receivers? It's a tough. I can make an argument each way. Right. What kind of system am I running? What's the, you know, where's the load? Where's the stress? So I think there's a lot of nuance to it, but I think it's a fair question. And then you look at what they're doing with the Rams. Yeah. Oh, Pukinakua, the Pat Puka Naku is a 5th round pick making no money.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
- [27:36]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Devonte Adams is on a. Is a veteran who last year couldn't do a thing in Jets. Not because he's not amazing. He's incredible.
- [27:42]
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- [27:43]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
It's a better fit. But he's not making $35 million. He's not making top tier wide receiver money. So you can't pay everyone. Right. And this, the second you start paying a quarterback 60 and a wide receiver 30 and wide receiver 220 better draft. Incredible. It's. And we see it time and time again. There's great rosters with good young quarterbacks making no money. They're highly competitive. And then there's the couple quarterbacks that can mask the problems of a bad roster. But even they can't do it anymore. Even Mahomes and Josh Allen and Burrow. I mean these guys are as good as it gets. And the roster holes right now, of the group, the only one that's still holding on is Josh Allen.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [28:29]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
And he's doing it without literally without a receiver. Right. Shakira's a great after catch and.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
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IBM AI Advertiser
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [28:38]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I'm talking like traditional.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [28:39]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Comparing Justin Jefferson. Puking. I'm talking like a traditional XZ receiver. It's this. It's a really hard balance with how much money certain guys take. And if you're going to allocate a certain amount of percentage, such a high percentage of your cap to certain players which of course you have to. They have to be able to hold. They better be able to fill the holes that are inevitably going to come and you better draft incredibly well around them.
- [29:11]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Now playing, now that we have more information, playing hindsight, armchair quarterback. It's 1000%. You want a 50 million dollar O line when you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow.
- [29:20]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah, right. But if you have a 50 million dollar line, he's not throwing a Jamar Chase.
- [29:24]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Exactly.
- [29:25]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, but I'm thinking Joe Burrow's so good. Like, yeah, Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, they're, they're animals. But I'm thinking you gotta, you gotta keep, be like Joey B. Like again, you see with Josh Allen, he doesn't have a whole lot of wide receivers to work with and he, you know, he's out there making it happen. You can make a, you know, an average wide receiver look good. You can make a good wide receiver look great. You can go out there and grab, you know, if you fortunately could draft like a Puka Naku in the fifth round. Obviously I'm talking out of my ass saying that. But if you draft well and then you go out and have find somebody, a receiver that's got a higher ceiling than what he showed the previous year with, in Devonte Adams when he was with the jets, you'd be able to, you'd be able to, you'd be able to figure it out. I believe in free agency if you had a foundational piece of the offensive line protecting your best asset on the team.
- [30:08]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
The, the thing that I'm thinking of right now is the viewer watching the show who is working their ass off, working paycheck to paycheck and not just saying to us three guys who play in the NFL, well, if Joe Burrow wants this so bad, why wouldn't he take less money? Yeah, yeah, no, that's, that's where now, now I want to know what you guys think.
- [30:28]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
It's the sixty million dollar question.
- [30:30]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Hey, I thought you had a follow up. Follow up.
- [30:33]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
That's what I'm assuming. Like people who don't play in the NFL, people who don't like, understand, like, hey, it's not for long. This doesn't last forever. You want to accumulate as much wealth as you possibly can for generational stuff. They're sitting there and they're saying, well, the answer seems like it's pretty simple to me. Take less money so you can get a better offensive line and a defense fair.
- [30:49]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
So, so there's two, there's two arguments, one on each side, like normal, Right? You make the one argument that, yeah, instead of making 60, can you make 50? Is your life really going to be different? Right. That's a valid argument. You can spread that 10 million around your roster and you do that over multiple years and all of a sudden you have A better team, that that's fair, right? Brady did that a lot and been been heavily talked about. There's also the side that those top tier guys, there is an obligation that it's your job to raise the ceiling, right? It's your job because once Joe Burrow, I'm just going to make up that he's, you know, let's say he's the highest paid quarterback. Well, when it's Jordan Love's turn or it's Drake May's turn, right? These next young guys, when it's Drake May's turn, if Drake May doesn't jump, whoever the highest paid guy now is, you never reset the market, right? And you're not only resetting the market for the top guy. As the top quarterback makes 60, the second tier now makes 35. If the top quarterback's only making 50, the middle tier is only making 25. So you're bringing everybody up with you. When you continually reset the market. So the other to the counter, and this is what every agent in the world of course is selling his client. You owe it to the league, you owe it to the other quarterbacks to elevate the market and to reset it if you have the ability to reset it. So there's a very double edged sword there, right? Like do you owe it to the league, do you owe it to the market and of course yourself or is your obligation to balancing the books on behalf of your front office and doing their job for them? Right? Because the Eagles certainly don't have a talent problem, right? And the Eagles are paying A.J. brown and they're paying Lane Johnson and they're paying My Lotta and they're paying Jalen Hurts and they're paying Saquon Barker, Barkley and they're.
- [32:41]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I mean that's just the opposite side of the ball.
- [32:44]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
But why can you pay all them? Because you drafted Jalen Carter and you drafted Jordan Davis and you signed Zach Bond. I know they've given him an extension since, but he's a top tier. They signed him in a one year veteran deal two years ago or last year. You draft Cooper DeJean, you got, you draft Quinton Quinon Mitchell, like yeah.
- [33:03]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Nakobe Dean. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [33:05]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Nicobi Dean. And we can go on and on and on about the guys that they've drafted who make no, relatively they don't make big money in the scope of the NFL. That's how you keep that roster looking the way it does. If they miss on all those picks and those guys stink and they now need to go out free agency and fill those gaps. You only get A.J. brown or Devonte Smith. You either get Lane Johnson or Jordan Myallotta. You don't get Saquon. And it has a. Yeah, it's just the nature of the game. So like the argument, the quarterback would be draft better.
- [33:40]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Because the me you do, you know, balance the books of the organization. You now give power to the owners. Like when you're in this battle of player versus ownership and getting paid what the market says, you now give owners leverage. Now they're, they're saying that with all the other deals they're trying to sign with their quarterbacks that they're trying to keep, it's like, well, the Bengals over here, Joe Burrow did this. Like we need you to kind of be a selfless person here.
- [34:02]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
- [34:03]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Take less money so that way we can make a better roster.
- [34:05]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yep, yep.
- [34:06]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
And then the left tackle wants to negotiate a new deal and they go, well, Joe Burrow just took a hometown discount, so if he can do it, why don't you.
- [34:11]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right, right now the negotiating, the leverage goes towards the, the team.
- [34:15]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Right.
- [34:15]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [34:15]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You don't want, there's, there's just so many, there's just so many layers to it. It sounds so easy, you know, And I save you 10 million a year. Is there a guarantee that you're not going to blow that?
- [34:26]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [34:27]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You give it to some guy who stinks, you're better off giving it to me.
- [34:30]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right, right. I'm a proven commodity.
- [34:32]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [34:33]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
So there's a lot of, there's a lot of nuance to a lot of those things. But yeah, on the surface, not being the highest paid player certainly helps keep your team better in theory. But now there's an execution component.
- [34:47]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It makes me think about Kirk Cousins and what he was trying to start when he left Washington, which is, do you take less money? But it's all fully guaranteed. And now you're, now you're starting to work through the process again of, hey, you know, when you sign these 90 million dollar deals and 60 if it's guaranteed, well, really it's just a 60 million dollar deal and you're hoping to get the other 30. Like why not? Like maybe that's the process now where these top tier quarterbacks, you're taking 5, 10 million less dollars, but 30 more is guaranteed on the back end. Like that's, that's a win. Yeah, possibly for everybody there. Now there's a new fight taking place where these fully guaranteed contracts are happening, which, you know, depends on what Side of the fence you sit on when it comes to that stuff.
- [35:25]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah. That was always the approach that I took. Right. Like again, this is a fun kind of higher level, like approach standpoint that I think is interesting to dive into. But like me personally, my approach was always. It didn't matter to me that I was ever the highest paid, the third highest paid, the fifth highest paid, the tenth. That never really mattered to me. Right. Like, I always took extensions in advance just because I knew I played a position where at any moment it could be done.
- [35:50]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [35:51]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
But then I also always bet on myself in saying I might sign on an annual basis a less contract than a guy that I might feel like I'm better than. But because I took an extension, I didn't make free agency. He's going to make more on an annualized basis. But I'm going to make the entire contract. Right. Like I'm going to play the entire, I'm going to get the max value of that contract, which might be a little bit less over fixed number of years. I'm going to make it all you. I make five million and you make seven. But you only made two years of it. And then you got hurt, you stopped training, you got cut, you weren't as good as me. But I made it for five years. Who signed the better contract?
- [36:28]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You did.
- [36:29]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I signed the better contract because you got two of the five years at seven. So you made 14. I got five of the five for 25. I did better than you. That was always personally my approach where I didn't need to make the most per year. I was going to make every single year of it for 14 years and just play the long game. That was always my approach.
- [36:52]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. When I was sitting in the position to have get a second contract, I was sat down by Tom Condon and Pat Collins at ca and they're like, hey, everyone's looking at apy like, everyone wants to know your average pay per year. Really the move is we're trying to set the, set the record for the guarantee. That's what we want to get for you. And it's when they were able to break that down for me because I was a little more green. I'm like, well, this guy's making this much per year. I, I want to make X, Y and Z more per year. And then really when they turn my focus to, hey, what you're really focused on over here is the guaranteed. That's when it's like, oh, you're right. Because then things go to hell. Like it Kind of did towards the end of my career where it was like, shit's just falling apart left and right. It's like, oh, I get to lean on this guarantee that I have and be a little more safe.
- [37:35]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
So, yeah, I'm just wondering if I get a sign of bonus.
- [37:37]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
No doubt.
- [37:38]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
You know what I mean? I gotta get that sign.
- [37:40]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. And it's, it's, yeah, I get, I.
- [37:42]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Can get 120 in that, in that signing bonus with this contract.
- [37:44]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's so interesting.
- [37:45]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Get that.
- [37:46]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's so interesting with the, the money thing. Because when you get into the league and you're drafted, even being drafted in the first round and everything's like, it was the new cpa. So like, everyone's kind of slotted. You get drafted, you get your signing bonus, but then you're working through your rookie like minimums every single year because it was all front loaded, that signing bonus, which is great, 48 hours, it's like, okay, that was awesome. Bank account looks great. But now I got to worry about actually putting a product in the field that's not disgusting and people hate me for. And you're looking at these 8, 9, 10 year vets that are making 10, 11, 12 per year. And you're like, bro, what are they bitching about when they're making that much money? And then you become the guy that's making that and you realize quickly like, yeah, that goes away. And it's, you know, it's. It might sound selfish to the casual person, but like, once the money is the contract signed, it's like you're only thinking about football from then on. If you truly care about the game, it's psychotic.
- [38:39]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Losing stinks. Dropping the game, winning pass, giving up three sacks in a game. You don't wake up Monday and go, well, it's not that bad because I make a lot of money. It's probably worse.
- [38:49]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, you're absolutely right.
- [38:51]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Probably worse. You feel shittier, right?
- [38:55]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
If, if you're a guy that loves.
- [38:56]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
The team, chances are if you don't give a shit, you're probably not that like it typically is. All hand in hand.
- [39:04]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
And hi, I'm Kal Penn, and we're the hosts of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
You know, everybody's waking up this morning in New England just feeling like dog shit.
- [45:36]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Dog shit. But that's also we talked about when you walk into a locker room with a team that's like, you know, there's a bunch of issues. If you're the Patriots, you're coming off a buy. Mike Variable, up until yesterday, was undefeated off of a bye week. They lose this game, I'm sure there's a level of like, oh, no, no, no, no. We, we mess it up. We were up 21 0, 24 7. We should have put that game away in the second half, and we got lazy. And there's a new fire that's taking place in province.
- [46:04]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, it's probably the best thing to happen to the Patriots this season. No doubt, dude.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
So I got a question, though, for Will. When, when did the momentum of that game switch?
- [46:16]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right out of the second half.
- [46:18]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, right out of the second half.
- [46:19]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
When they, when they took a kickoff back.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
And it's like they went and explained that. Explain that to me how you are, you're up 21 and you have all the momentum, and then you lose. I, I, I don't get it.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
God damn.
- [46:34]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Handle yourself, bro.
- [46:35]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
There's nothing. Greg's right.
- [46:37]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
No, he's not. And tell him why you're talking about.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
When the Buffalo Bills came out.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You don't know. Coming out of halftime.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, coming out.
- [46:45]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
After adjustments were made, understanding that the momentum is on the Patriots side. We need to string plays together, rallying.
- [46:50]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Boys together, lighting a fire. Hey, we're going to come.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
We're getting this ball. We're getting this ball. No, no, no. The game plan we walked in with is clearly not the game plan we needed to win. We've Seen the plays. This is how we make our adjustments. They're also making adjustments. The good thing about being down at halftime is you understand your game plan needs to change. When you're up by as much as the Patriots are, they're not looking with a critical eye, being like, we need to change X, Y and Z. Because everything they have is working. Bill's made changes. Momentum is a series by series, case by case. You can break down all of it.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's like a fighter. When the bell rings, you make it to the end of the run. You can recreate some momentum in that corner, Right?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
But it sounds like it sounds it to me. It sounds like you guys are talking execution, right? Game plan and plays and the ability. That's what it sounds like to me. Not emotion and vibes and feel. That's what I'm hearing. Am I wrong?
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You are absolutely right. And you'll know this. It all goes completely hand in hand. When you have a game plan and you execute that game plan, the momentum rises and so do the vibes. Belief starts to take place. When you're getting that ass beat by three touchdowns and you got people tweeting, oh, the Patriots, weak schedule, the haters are sick right now type of stuff, you. You. You feel a little more confident now the bill's coming like, okay, it really is just a two score game. Then they go three and out. Now you're feeling momentum built. Hey, they're not as good as we think they are.
- [48:14]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
We're all making each other's points.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
When he talks, can I ask you. I know I'm trolling. Can I ask one more question?
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Go ahead.
- [48:18]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Sorry.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Go ahead, Will.
- [48:19]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
No, go ahead, Will. Sorry. Go ahead.
- [48:20]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I was gonna say when Greg's sitting there talking about feeling vibes, emotion. That's what I was feeling when I put that tweet out. And it. I didn't see it flipping on me like that whatsoever. I truly did. It's not like.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
There'S been so many.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
So it went 21. Nothing. What did you say?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I didn't see it.
- [48:38]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I said, I have it right here.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
This is. This is 21 hours ago. So we are right around the right about halftime. The Patriots quote, weak schedule, haters are sick. Watching this ass beating on the Buffalo Bills.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. And then they turn it around, come back, I end up having to make a threat of it. Posting the Simba, running from the stampede as the Buffalo Bills were coming back.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Momentum's everything.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah. Hey, can I. Can I ask another question, though? And I'm genuinely This is a genuine question. So the Thursday night game, Atlanta's down 14, they score, they go for two, they fail. Yeah, they get the interception, they get the ball, they go back down and score again. So they've scored back to back touchdowns, had all the momentum, failed the second point after try. I was told the second point after try, especially after scoring two touchdowns, everyone's feeling so much better. You're more likely to get. It obviously didn't happen. They missed them both. The 15 conversation after the Philly game, I was told that you should go for two after the second touchdown because after scoring two touchdowns in a row, you've got all the momentum, you're more likely to convert. The two point didn't happen. I was also told that after not tying the game like they would have without, with the two kicks, they would have tied the game. The defense was not going to play as motivated and was not going to be as urgent. The urgency was not going to be there because instead of being tied on, losing, they went out, got the ball right back and they went down and kicked the field goal. So I guess I'm just trying to understand why they kept playing hard despite not tying the game, despite having all the momentum, they failed the two point try. I, I'm just trying to keep track when the emotions mattered, when the execution mattered, when the vibes were good, bad. It's hard for me to keep track of it.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Here's what I'll say, Greg, you won this week. You won this battle. The war continues. There will be situations now where we'll be right back here and I'll get to, I'll get to do the same type of trolling you're doing to me right now. I will say you win this week.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I'm judging the outcome. No, no, no. See, here's the difference. I'm not saying that I'm right because they won the game. I'm laying in bed and like you, I'm getting fired on Twitter because people are like, where's Olson now? Going for two.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
They're going to lose.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
And I'm sitting there like I would still go for two. Down 14, they didn't and they're probably going to lose. And this definitely is on the other camp side anecdotally. See, we, because again, we want to judge the result instead of what's actually happened. Here's the, here's the reality of all this. If you're down 14, 15, 13, any, you're probably going to lose more times than not anyway. So, yes, more chances than not you're going to lose the game. And then you guys see it was a stupid decision. Being down 14 is not a great strategy. Being down 15 is not a great strategy. They happen to win the game. And that's my entire point, the emote to put to say that teams are trying less hard, more hard. I scored two touchdowns, so I'm going to get the two versus my first touchdown. The defense is no longer tired. But I thought they were so tired, they're on their heels, they're reeling, they're sucking wind. We talk all these cliches. All I'm simply saying is, I'm not debating that we all haven't felt these things we all do as humans. I'm just saying they don't matter.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Can I just say, Greg, having you.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
On this show, that was a master class.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It was master class. Any vondas at the end of it, too?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I don't know what that means.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Wedding crashers are they're sucking when they're not sucking when the defense is tired. But are they really tired? Now we're sitting here and we're thinking, is everybody actually just tired? And it's actually just equalized.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
He got me to say he won, but he's like, I. That's not. That doesn't even matter. He got me focused on something else. No, no, I'm not even talking about that.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
And then goes on, you know, finishes it off by putting me in a chair and buckling me in.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right. And give you a little kiss on the cheek. You want some snacks?
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Don't do it again. Hey, hey.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You did it. And you did a great job of it. And I will say, like, what my. What I was going to say before we jumped into all that was, is having you on Mondays has, like, changed the way I've watched end of games to where I'm. I'm leaning on the side of Olsen camp. Like, hey, does motivate, does motivation, momentum, all these things? Doesn't really matter. When it's like you're down by 14, you score a touchdown, you go for two, because you're much more likely to get 50% than 100%. So you might as well try to go for it once. Question of the game, right? 30. We're talking about the Buffalo Bills and the Patriots. It's 35, 31. I literally took a photo of this and I was like, I gotta ask what he would do in the situation.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Wait, I didn't catch that game.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
So you know what pisses me off, too. And we got to Figure this out. I don't have your number. I. I've multiple times been like, I.
- [53:44]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Need to be on.
- [53:45]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Hey, let's get a group chat going. And I've been, I've honestly wanted asset, but it placed me as embarrassed. So we've gone this long.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I bench pressed last week, boys woke up very sore.
- [53:53]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
No.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
185 for reps. How many? Not enough.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I'm brother Ray. It's been over a. I've worked out three times. Okay. 35, 31. Now the Patriots. This is the. The Bills are now beating the Patriots. So the Patriots were up at one point. Momentum, the whole thing. We're still talking about that.
- [54:14]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Got it.
- [54:14]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's 35, 31. The Patriots are on, let's say the 30 yard line. The Bills 30 yard line. So if they don't get a first down here, it's essentially the game is over. There's five minutes and 19 seconds left. It's fourth and 12. Are you going to go for it in this situation and define the game or is that way out of hand at this point?
- [54:33]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You're on the plus. You're on the plus 30.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You're on the minus three. You're. You're. You're on the minus side. So the Patriots.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah.
- [54:42]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
If the Patriots turn the ball over, go ahead.
- [54:44]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah, so they turned it over on downs. On the minus 30 down four.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
- [54:48]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
They went for fourth and 12 and failed.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
They did not go for it. They ended up punting it away. And while. And when they're punting it away, I'm thinking, okay, the, the Bills at this point in this half have scored so much over you and have.
- [55:01]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
What happened? What did the Bills do when they got.
- [55:02]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
The Bills end up going, they end up not scoring and the Patriots get the. Get the ball again. They get the ball again. They have a two minute. They fail, they end up losing the game anyway. I think the result of the game was the same score. 35, 31. I'll have to look at it.
- [55:16]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
So was this. I'm trying to put.
- [55:18]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, the.
- [55:19]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
All right, so. So this was the punt. So they punted fourth and Patriots punted fourth and 12.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I think they're on like the 30 yard line, but they're not going in. They're coming out.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
All right, so I'm fourth and 12 at the 25 and you're.
- [55:35]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's 5, 5, 19 left. The Bills 519. The Bills have scored like, you know, 35 to. Or whatever, 28 to 3 in the second half. So you're saying by punting this ball away we're. I think they're taking a knee based on your logic because they're going to go down and score again or they're going to be able to keep kind of doing what they've been doing to you with the score this high or.
- [55:59]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
At the very least they don't score but they just get you under the two minute warning. They bleed you out the run game. So by being only up four there now fourth and 12 sucks.
- [56:09]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
That's a shitty one.
- [56:10]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
It's a shitty one, right? So like that's probably the one asterisk. I'm probably still going for it. And here's why. I'm gonna speed up you scoring on me, right? I haven't stopped you. You've got 35 points. I can't stop a soul. You've scored 35 damn near unanswered. I'm being down four. I'm not afraid. I'll give my chances to go for fourth down to maintain possession. If I fail, you're probably going to go run, run, run kick a field goal to go up 7. So obviously I can't let you score a touchdown of the game's over. But I'm saying, okay, short field, we narrow it down. You're trying to bleed clock. You're trying to at least say I got to come away here with three points. How aggressive are you going to be? Are you really going to go for the death shot? Are you going to be okay kicking a field goal? I'm probably okay taking my chances because I can still keep it a one possession game at seven.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
If I'm trailing there by six now the math turns into okay, I let you score now it turns into a two possession game. But if I punt it back to you and you bleed too much clock and still kick a field goal now I really don't have a chance. So all those situations my brain says you got to maintain possession. Even if you give New England the ball on the short field, then you've got to hold them to a field goal. Does mean Town 7 and give the ball back to Drake. Maybe you punted away. Did they go three and out and get the ball right back?
- [57:37]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I don't know if it was three and out but they had the ball I think either right before.
- [57:41]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You can't plan that. They got the ball back.
- [57:44]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
They got the ball back but okay. Does it? Does it? I didn't, I didn't mention this would be unfair to you to not break it up. They have All Patriots have all their time.
- [57:50]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Assuming they have all their timeouts.
- [57:51]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Have all their timeouts. Yeah. So they have all their timeouts. It's 4th and 12. You're backed up on like, your 25.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You're not giving the ball back to Josh Allen at all.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right. You don't want to. So you want to go for in.
- [58:05]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
The fourth score, 35 on me. I'm going to do everything in my power to maintain possession of the ball.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Okay, let's. Dude, I know you are, but let's go 4th and 12. 4th and 12. They don't get it. Okay, so now you're the Bills. You're essentially in your red zone fringe area, and I. I hate that I can't remember the exact yard line they were on.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
They ain't kicking field.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
If you. Yeah, that. I'm saying. Do you say we're either going to be up by 4 or up by 11, or is it we're going to take the 3? Because in my mind, based on your logic, if I'm picking up everything is, this is not a kick, a field goal situation, even though we're in it, because the. The amount of touchdowns or the amount of scores it takes is still the same regardless.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah, it's a great point. Right. Anticipating what is the track record of your opponent is a huge element of how they build all these models. And I think. I think it's a really important nuance. So when each team sets these scenarios up in these big books that these guys have upstairs, where this is all planned out, what we do in every scenario each week, the math does change a little bit. Everyone has this, oh, it's just blanket mathematics that it don't. It doesn't apply to you because your right guard is out or your left tackle is not good or your quarterback is hurt. It absolutely takes all that into account. It takes into account the team you're playing against. If I'm playing against Dan Campbell, I have to really sit down all week and say, okay, he's going to really be aggressive on fourth down. He's not going to settle for field goals. He's going to play a certain way. How am I willing to alter my strategy that I don't fall too far behind and I lose too many possessions, So a big evaluation there for variable has to be, okay, I fail here and I give the ball back to McDermott and Joe Brady. Aside from them wanting to bleed clock make me start burning through my timeouts. If I'm McDermott, I don't love the idea of being up 7 because more often than not, if you do go down and score, you're probably going to go for two. Now with the new overtime rules, I'll be curious to see how this plays out over long periods of time. In the old days you went for two and you just said, I got a chance to win the game. I'm either going to win or lose in regulation. Now there is an argument with the new each team possessing the ball. Maybe that does shift the decision making. I don't think we've seen enough quantity of attempts for it to really flush out how teams handle end of regulation, go for two or kick an extra point. But yes, if it's me, I'm in 4 down mode unless it's 4th and 15 and I'm saying I'm scoring a touchdown at all costs to in essence make this a two score game. And you don't have enough time to have the ball twice. So there's a lot of my decisions in the anticipation of what you have to do. That's a really unique situation. The 4th and 12 is what gives me a little pause.
- [60:48]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
That's what that, that when I saw the 4th and 12 I was like, I'm really curious to see.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
My odds are just not great converting that. So fourth and seven or under. I'm saying all day I'm going to try to maintain possession. 4th and 12. I could probably make a great argument that punting might be the right move. Do I think McDermott's thinking four down mode or do I think he feels better going from four to seven? Probably, yeah. I think again, we talk about this a lot. There's a psychology there where let's say McDermott gets the ball. This is a, this is a fun kind of exercise because you talk about the post game press conference. You guys know how I feel about that. Shaping a lot of decisions. Let's say that scenario plays out, they go for it, fail, give the ball back to Buffalo, Buffalo gets the fourth and four and goes for it and fails. And they go the length of the field and Drake May walks you off and they win. What's an easier, what's an easier postgame press conference? That or you kick a field goal, Drake May goes down, scores a touchdown, gets the two point conversion and beats you. Or forces overtime and beat you.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
The easier one. The hardest.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Those are easier. Those are easier. Hey, we got to get better. Our two minute drive, we gave ourselves a chance. We competed right till the end. It came right down to the last play of the game. We're Right there, right. There's this false notion that that way of losing feels better than I passed up a field goal and now I opened myself up to just losing flat out. That's a harder explanation for a coach to face, which is why a lot of these coaches are going to error towards kick the field goal, go up seven, and you know what? If we don't win, our players need to be better. This is on the. We got to be better on defense. We got to be better in two minute. Right. Like that's, that's the human nature of all of this. So I think that's a great scenario because both teams theoretically could have had really interesting decisions based on what the other team did. So very good decision, very good example. Taylor.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, I appreciate that. I think. But this is also where I understand your mindset and everything when it comes to, you know, play calling and all that. But momentum doesn't matter. If you look at the second half.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm not saying it doesn't matter.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You're saying it's not much of a factor. But if I'm Vrabel and I have not stopped the Bills at all the entire second half and my only score in the second half was an explosive run play by Hendrick Hendrickson or Henderson. Henderson. Thank you. So essentially my offense has been non existent the second half. I'm based on all of our conversations that we had. I'm thinking fourth and 12. You got to go for it because regardless I. You would think when they. I don't think everybody's at this new way of thinking it. Whether you're. They're going to run, run, run, kick the three. And now nothing's changed about the game. Is still a one score game.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah. Here's their second half possessions for the Patriots. Three plays minus six yards, seven plays. Interception. One 65 yard touchdown. Three plays minus seven punt. Four plays, five yards. Downs. That was their, that was their second half possessions.
- [64:13]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Golly.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. So that's where.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
And here. And here was Buffalo. Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, punt. Neil.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
So that's where momentum in my mind is a, is a huge. Is a big factor. It's like the, it's a momentum.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Or is it just. Why do I want to give the team to the better offense, Give the ball to the offense with the best player in the league who I can't stop.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I have a. I just, I have a new scenario for you.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Love it.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
No, this is. I'm very curious. Let's say there's less than four minutes left or you're getting toward the end of the game. I want to say this happened in a situation yesterday. I can't recall which game it was, but the team scores to go up their six points now gives them a seven point lead before the extra point, extra point gives them an eight point lead. My question is in that situation, why would you not think about going for two to make it a nine point game? So that way you're getting a true two possession game. Which game was that?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I saw somebody sent me it on Twitter. I want to say, I want to.
- [65:25]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Say I see somebody else walk or post about it too. I want to say because I want to shout out the boy. I think it's. I saw somebody asking this. Gosh damn it. Jake Malasak. Jake Malasak with John Groot.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah.
- [65:38]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Over at Barstool. He was asking the same thing and I've been curious about that as well.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
All right, so here's my approach on that and it's a valid point, right? Being up eight versus being up nine. Once you go up nine, it's a must two possession game, right. You have to score twice. An eight possess an eight point game is a one score game. Call it half the time, right. So you have a chance of it being a one score game. It's not a guaranteed one score game. You could need two possessions. At nine points you obviously need two possessions. I want to say there was like eight or nine minutes to go in that game when they kicked the extra point, if I'm not mistaken. You can fact check me there.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Okay.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
So my typical perspective is at eight or nine. At. With eight or nine minutes you're going to give your opponent at least two possessions. So just the score at this point in the game you start talking about how many possessions in a new. In a regular game, no onside kick and all that, how many possessions is your opponent going to get if there's. If it's at a point of the game where say you're under the two minute warning and I'm the underdog and it's Josh Allen and he's my opponent, do I want to give the ball to Josh Allen with down eight or do I want to just make this nine and say he could be Josh Allen and he can go down there and score on me. He has to score onside kick, get it, score again, the odds of me. I feel a lot more comfortable defending that lead in those situations. But there's a time element, right. Putting Josh Allen down By nine with the risk of only being trying to.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Put him down by nine because again if the offense gets the ball back they could just go to at the end and then they could get you because again you're only up by seven so.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Correct. So that's where, that's where the time element comes in and changes a lot of these factors. Right. You go back to our. The thing that started all this craziness was the down 15 of Philadelphia. I would make an argument if they're. If you're down 15 and you're at a point of a game where you have to onside kick anyway, right? Because There's a minute 30 left when you score. I'm kicking an extra point because no matter what I'm still taking the onside kick after that scores. Even if I'm down 8, I still have to onside kick to get the ball back. Because there's only a minute 30. I'm not going to be able to get the ball back with any meaningful time to go down to score. Now that scenario there was like just under four minutes. If I get the two point conversion, I don't have to onside kick, right. Because I'm only down 7. I have my 3 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning, I'm going to kick it deep. So a lot of these decision making in those scenarios are very time dependent. It the less time, right. It's teams when to go for two to win the game and when to kick the extra point to tie the game. So it was the Panthers game yesterday. They're up 1710. New Orleans goes down to score a touchdown, but they only kick the extra point to make it 17:17. If there was 30 seconds left in that game, that's a much different conversation. Now if I go for two I win in regulation and virtually the game is over because you got 30 seconds and no timeouts. But there was a lot of time left. It was on the plus side of the two minute warning. I want to say they gave the ball back to Carolina with like 2:30 on the clock. You're better off being tied with 230 on the clock than even being up one because now what does being up one do? It puts Bryce Young into four down mode. Hyper aggressive to go down to beat you. What did Carolina do? It was tied. They went incomplete. Incomplete. He was able to scramble for a first down. Long story short, they took a sack. They couldn't. They punted it back to you. Now you now New Orleans went down on the game winning drive. So all of these situations, whether it's going up eight, verse nine, whether it's going for two early, whether it's going for two to win the game in regulation, take a lead or tie it. Time is a critical element. Come the back half of the fourth quarter.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Got you. So is there a cutoff in your brain when there was eight, nine minutes left and this again, I forget which game it was, but this team kicks it to go up eight instead of thinking about going for two to make it nine points. Is there a cutoff to where it's like, hey, I'm going to try and get nine points in this situation. Risk.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I don't think, I don't, I don't think you have the timeouts, the two minute warning timeouts. How many times can you stop the clock? Two minute warning timeouts. And what is the likelihood of you possessing the ball and without getting an onside kick, without something crazy happening, what is the chances in a normal flow game of you possessing the ball two more times? If the likelihood is that you're going to possess the ball two more times, it's not as valuable. I'm better off being up eight kick. The extra point to be up eight where at least you can't beat me in a one possession game. You can only at best tie me and 50% of the time you're going to still lose to me.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
This is.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
But if I can make it nine, you have to touch the ball twice.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [70:50]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Do you have enough time for that to happen without a 5% chance of an onside kick? That's where my head goes, making those decisions.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Gotcha.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I like it.
- [71:01]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
And who am I kicking the ball back to?
- [71:03]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
- [71:04]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
A lot of variables. Am I kicking the ball? Am I kicking the ball back to a team that can't score worth the. Or am I kicking the ball back to a team that scored four touchdowns in a row on me, like Buffalo?
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, it's it really. These conversations show, like, as I've gotten more and more out of the league, I've realized how important coaching is. And I know it's a weird thing to say, but like, as a player, I think we live in this like, world of like brainwashing. Like we're gonna get it done for the boys, especially in college. Like you're like, hey, we can win every single game because of grit and spit in the whole thing. And then as you get farther and farther removed, you realize how these little moments in games, how critically important they are. And it's just, it's dude, it's so fascinating to like be 34 years old, three years out of the league and like still like being like, yo, this is insane. I didn't even know this when I was playing, how important this was.
- [71:50]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Did you see the Mike McDonald interview after the game? Everyone's talking a lot about it, about him using those timeouts. Indianapolis had the ball went before they went down to take the go ahead field goal. They asked Mike McDonald about how did you squeeze out another possession and you ended up giving yourself enough, another opportunity to go answer the field goal, which eventually walked off Indy. And he talked about his analytics guy and how they build these and he mentioned the guy by name. And the guy's like, hey, you. And we've said this a thousand times on broadcast, so it's nice to now hear these coaches say it in post game interviews for now, everybody to cover it. You always use your timeouts on defense. You always use your timeouts on defense. Because I can't stop the clock on defense like I can on offense. And by doing that, you hear these coaches all the time say, ho, save a, save one for the kick, save one for your offense. You're better off having more time with no timeouts, then less time with more timeouts as an offense. So they burn timeout, timeout, timeout. They end up kicking a field goal. You get the ball back with no timeouts. But I can stop the clock, I can clock it, I can throw it out of bounds, I can get. You know, there's a million ways for me to do it. If they would have said, oh, we got to save a timeout for the field goal, we've got to save a timeout for the offense. That time is way more valuable to your offense than that one timeout. And Mike McDonald played it perfectly, called all of his timeouts on the minus side of the two minute warning, all on defense, gave his offense a chance and they won. Yeah, that wasn't a in, that was not an emotional in the moment decision. That was decided four months ago.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, and you have to have a supreme operation offensively because again, defensively you're trying to protect the sideline more. So of course.
- [73:43]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
They could have easily. But here's what's funny. He could have done everything the exact same. And they don't get in field goal range or Myers misses the kick. And no one after the game is saying, Mike McDonald, you did a great job with your timeouts.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
- [73:59]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
The story is you lost to a 44 year old quarterback who retired five years ago. So Again, we only reward the really good coaches when the outcome benefits them.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right?
- [74:12]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
But he still did a great job managing the game. The only reason we're talking about is because they won the game, right?
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
And because Philip Rivers was playing. And that's just absolutely incredible.
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Ed Helms / Kal Penn (Audiobook Club Hosts)
Hey everyone.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Ed Helms here and hi, I'm Kal Penn and we're the hosts of The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.
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Ed Helms / Kal Penn (Audiobook Club Hosts)
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Commercial Announcer
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Ed Helms / Kal Penn (Audiobook Club Hosts)
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Dude, Chargers, Chiefs, 16 13. It's the first time since 1998 that the playoffs will not feature Tom Brady, Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes. Since 1998. And I know, like, Will, like, we've. We've played this game before of like, Will being a hater of the Chiefs. But you like watching the season, week one in Brazil. They play, they play the Chargers, they lose. Everyone's like, ah, they'll get back on track. And then as the season's gotten. Gotten going, they've kind of gone from this. Like, anytime the Chiefs lose, it's like, oh, their offensive line was kind of overpowered and Patrick Mahomes didn't have time to do as much magic. And then later in the season, late November, early December, it turned into, hey, these guys that were so used to making incredible plays aren't making those plays. Whether it's drops, miscues, all these types of things. And then yesterday happens where Patrick Mahomes rolls out to the right, his left leg hyper extends. It looks like an acl. I think it was confirmed by Patrick himself that it is an acl.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
And we are potentially looking at the last time Kelsey and Mahomes are together. This Chiefs run. You know, there's a lot of question marks taking place, and I don't really know where this conversation is going other than like, this is fucking wild.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. To see these take place as. As a guy who's been like a Chiefs troll, Chiefs hater.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
- [78:09]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I didn't even feel good feeling celebratory in the Chiefs losing and officially being out of the playoffs because the Bills won two against New England. That's what knocked them out. Yeah. To see Mahomes go down, bro, it's heartbreaking. And again, it's like another bizarre stat was, I want to say Tom Brady in his ninth season towards acl. They didn't make New England, didn't make the playoffs. Patrick Mahomes, ninth season in the NFL tears his acl. Chiefs didn't make the playoffs. Just a lot of these weird dots getting connected. Is the Chiefs dynasty over? Is that the last time we're ever going to see Travis Kelsey on the football field? Patrick Mahomes just tearing your ACL in December, too. Yeah, it's just brutal. Especially when you're trying to save a season. It's not likely that you're going to make the playoffs. And to see it happen that way is. Is, yeah, it was shitty, man.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [78:54]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
And you're gonna. You're gonna be training all off season. You're gonna be getting, you know, you're going to be dialed in and locked in. You have to be if you're going to make what, week one of Next year.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. You have to essentially, like, these next. Like Greg, you've ever. You didn't have an ACL?
- [79:08]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
No.
- [79:09]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Okay. Well, the ACL game is this like, when you tear your ACL. A lot of times guys can go get surgery 24, 48 hours later, or sometimes it takes guys multiple weeks to go get the surgery and they have to actually exercise the leg to pump out the swelling. Because the knee, based on how much swelling, if you have a lot of it, then you have to take time to get that swelling up before you can go.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
And so every day, week that takes place, like right now, we're on that fringe area where can Patrick Mahomes make it eight months from now to week one? And that's going to be the storyline heading into July with the Chiefs with their revamped offensive if, whether Kelsey is there or not, what kind of new pieces they've. They've added to it. It's. It's going to be a very interesting offseason for Patrick Mahomes because as a.
- [79:49]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Player, you feel like you're up against the clock every day.
- [79:51]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Up against the clock every single day. And if you could just grab Mahomes and be like, bro, week one does not matter next year, I'm just letting you know, like, what matters is making, like, go to Ella, trash, head over to la, get the job done the way it's supposed to, done correctly, and then just listen to your body all the way through. Don't let's not rush the game to week one because we all know how long of a season it is. It just sucks, dude, because you see all these, like, distractions coming out of the Mahomes camp the last seven or eight years, and all of the distractions have never been Patrick. It's never been him. It's been this or that or all these other things. And for it to happen to him just absolutely sucks because he is one of the. He's the baby goat right now. And you kind of want them. You kind of want them to, like, you go from being like, I'm kind of relieved that we're seeing a new group of logos in the playoffs, too. I'm kind of sitting here being like, I can't wait for this comeback story about Patrick Mahomes, like, going next year and, like, winning the division and all that. Like, can he do the storybook type of thing?
- [80:49]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
There's such an appreciation for what they've done, that even as a competitor, right? Like, even as someone who's, you know, granted, none of us are still playing. But, like, even when you're playing and you didn't want New England to win or you didn't want Indy and you didn't want, you know, we didn't want Denver, like, there was always those teams. But as it. Just understanding how hard all of this is.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [81:10]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You can't help but to have an appreciation for, like, what these guys have done for this long. Knowing firsthand how hard it is to get there once, let alone time and time again, you just develop an appreciation where you're like, you know what? Like, yeah, we're not Chiefs fans. We're not. But like, man, you can't not be a Chiefs fan or a Mahomes fan or a Kelsey fan and Andy Reid fan more out of just respect for how hard it is to do what they've done for as long as they have, when the league is entirely designed to prevent that from happening. The way the schedule, the way the draft order, the way teams get poached talent, coaching staff cap, the way it's capped, you can't pay everyone. Guys get big contracts off winning teams that they're not even that good. But all of a sudden it's like, I need a piece of the Chiefs. I need a piece of the Patriots. And coaches get jobs they wouldn't otherwise get. Players get contracts they wouldn't otherwise get. Winning is the greatest preventer of future winning. And it's by design in the NFL. So it's more of that for me, like, to see what Travis has done, to see what Kelsey's done. I mean, Mahomes and these guys, like, I just. As a guy who loves football and appreciates how hard it is, I just have a lot of respect for what these guys have done over the last, you know, however many years.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Yeah. Just the sickening work ethic and metallic and mentality that goes into showing up year in and you're out. Especially when you've been at the top for so long, you can easily, like, lose that edge, you know, drink your own Kool Aid, all that stuff. And for them to maintain that dominance for so long, yeah, it's definitely an appreciation and respect just for what that kind of success takes. It's weird. It's. It is weird knowing that I've been rooting for the chief's downfall and they're actually not in it this year.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Actually not it in the way they're not in it, too.
- [82:59]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like, not as fun. Part of me that knew, like, they're not. They're not in the playoffs. No. They're not gonna make. They've been out of it. Even though this week was the last final domino in my head, they've been out of it. They're not gonna make it. But the fact that they're not out of it. There's almost this little part of me that was hopeful that would. They. That they would go on this winning streak and then somehow they make it in the playoffs.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [83:20]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
And the boogeyman made it to the playoffs. It's kind of all that air just feels like it's gone.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You've won, but at what cost?
- [83:27]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I know, I know, I know. Like, I'm sure a week goes by, I'll. I'll start to find my energy again, my juice about it again. But yesterday, the way it went down, and then the buff, the Bills come back because it's like the Chiefs could lose, but as long as the Patriots win, they still have this little like 1 3%.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Something where you can still kind of. To kind of just throw salt in the wound. But now that it's officially over, I'm like, this wasn't near as fun as I thought it would.
- [83:51]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right. You're the. Yeah, it's one of those you. You can't celebrate until. There's the tweet that comes out by Adam Schefter saying that Patrick Mahomes has had a successful surgery and everything's all good. And then that's when you can begin your trolling yet again.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [84:06]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Since 2014, I was a sophomore in high school.
- [84:09]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I was a rookie in the NFL.
- [84:12]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
2014, I was in my eighth year.
- [84:17]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Eighth year in the NFL. That's crazy, dude. We got anything else for Mr. Olson?
- [84:23]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I don't think so. Let me check and make sure that. Make sure. Let's see here. Yeah, Broncos.
- [84:28]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
I see you got a baseball shirt on. Is that. We're a new season now.
- [84:33]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
No, I just. This was the first. I. I had a bad flight coming home from Philly. I had like a four and a half hour delay. So I got home late, woke up early. This was the first T shirt. Just chucked it on. It's the kids school.
- [84:46]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
How. How much longer is your contract with Fox? Like how many more years?
- [84:50]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Next year is my last year.
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- [84:52]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Perfect negotiations. You do. You do an incredible job. There's no doubt that Fox, you have all the leverage in the world when you negotiate. When you negotiate, it's going to be, hey, that's great. We'll take this money. That sounds awesome. Awesome. Last thing before we do anything, I need a private jet to all these things.
- [85:08]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
That would be amazing.
- [85:09]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
That's the move, dude.
- [85:10]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I mean, it's the ultimate game changer, man.
- [85:13]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's either allocate a certain amount of money in your funds. Be like, this does, like, the way our brains work is we take some allocation. We're like. It's like we'd never even made that because we're able to get back to our families faster. And if you can negotiate that, you.
- [85:24]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Got to do it 18. 18 weeks in a row. That adds up. If you flew private. If my schedule. I'm just making this up. If I flew private, it both ways for so 19 weeks, because I got a playoff game this year. So 18, plus the playoffs. So if I did it 19 weekends, it's probably a million bucks.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [85:46]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
You got to find that number. And if you need us, too. If you need us to kind of lift, like, hey, I got an offer on the table right now.
- [85:51]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Busting with the boys, that's the leverage. That's fair.
- [85:54]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [85:54]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Just let us know.
- [85:55]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
How do you do you guys pay?
- [85:56]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Well, we. We're more of helping leverage. So if, like. If Fox is like, hey, we'll pay you $5. We'll be like, hey, we're gonna pay you $10. And they'll be like, we'll pay you seven. Boom. You got them. You know, we could be your.
- [86:08]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Could you pay $10?
- [86:10]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yes.
- [86:10]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
You have 10? Could you afford 10? I got it. That's good.
- [86:12]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Well, $10. You keep saying 10.
- [86:14]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
That's what I mean. If there's like five and 10. I was speaking dollars.
- [86:17]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Okay.
- [86:18]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yes. If you want to come.
- [86:20]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
10 million a year, like, you guys will.
- [86:22]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. If you want to come more for bus with the boys, I can guarantee you $10. And I. You know what, dude? I'll thr. I'll make it a lifting.
- [86:29]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Get the bus wide enough for an extra seat.
- [86:32]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
There's one right here.
- [86:34]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Tell you what. We get you full time. We. We can talk shop.
- [86:37]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [86:38]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Oh, we can talk shop. We don't. We're not even going to have the cameras on. We're just going to talk shop.
- [86:42]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. We can just talk shop.
- [86:43]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [86:44]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
If you.
- [86:44]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
If there's a world where Greg Olsen wants to be a part of us with the boys.
- [86:48]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I wish you guys lived. I wish you guys lived close, because once a week, I got, like, a group of buddies. More so in the off season because some of them are still playing. And my. The club we live on here, the Men's grill is like my favorite place. I always joke, like, it's, it's literally my favorite place outside of my house in the world is the men's grill at our club. Bartenders, you're sitting there, there's games on, TVs food. It's just a great vibe. There's, it's, it's a great group of guys. So we have like a weekly off season where like a handful of the guys, we go there and we're like, all right, we're going to meet there at 11 and next thing you know, it's like 3:30. I'm like texting my wife, hey, I'm not going to be able to get the kids from carpool. We ran a little late. Meanwhile, we're talking about complete nonsense like hiring cycles of the NFL, the new salary. I mean, just, we are covering pretty much the shit we talk about on here. It is my favorite thing in the world to go hang with the boys and just talk, whatever.
- [87:45]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, man.
- [87:46]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Sounds like a podcast in the making.
- [87:47]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
I know.
- [87:47]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
It's the fucking best.
- [87:49]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Hey, Greg's got a year left. We got to start, you know.
- [87:51]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Great. Yeah. You're left to just keep in mind busting with the boys. We're gonna throw a hat in the ring. Fox, you've been put on notice. Been put on notice, dude.
- [87:57]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Hey, appreciate you guys.
- [87:58]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
My la. My last question, what do you make of the emotion going into Josh Allen potentially being the, the, the MVP front runner for the NFL? I feel like that, that obviously he's going to be in the conversation, but I'm sitting here like, I saw Daniel be like, josh Allen's the MVP right now. After the couple weeks that he's had December, I get playing late. Like, he's the guy that's got it all on his shoulders, doing less or doing more with less, yada, yada, yada. But I'm sitting here, it's like, are we really going to get this close to one of the better years that Matt Stafford's ever had where he's got, what, 35 touchdowns and he had one game, five intercepts?
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I think a lot's going to be how. I think a lot's. Now remind me, when does the voting end?
- [88:34]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's before the super bowl, but it's during the playoff.
- [88:37]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah, right.
- [88:38]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yes.
- [88:38]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah, that's what I thought.
- [88:39]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
They say it doesn't, but it does.
- [88:41]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [88:42]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Super bowl does not.
- [88:43]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Super bowl does not count.
- [88:44]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I think it's going to all depend on. Right? I think it's, it Literally could come down to. And again, I think the Rams are nasty. I'm speaking hypotheticals. I'm a huge Stafford guy. You guys know that. Hypothetically, they lost in the divisional round to whoever and Josh Allen gets over the hump and he makes the Super Bowl.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, that's fair.
- [89:09]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, that's over.
- [89:10]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
So, again, I think the team element come playoffs is going to be a huge differentiating factor because outside of Josh and I guess Stafford. But as far as, like, the usual suspects that are in that MVP race. No Lamar, no Mahomes, like the usual suspects, the only one left of those names is Josh Allen. And then you got Stafford and then Drake May is like the new kid on the block who's kind of lingering, and maybe he's an AFC championship win away from him winning it. So I do think the playoff team result is going to be a factor. But if you told me that Josh Allen's getting ready to play in the super bowl and those other guys who had amazing seasons are done, and he's getting ready to play the Seahawks. If he's getting ready to play the Seahawks. I'm probably making the argument that Josh Allen's the MVP as well, because he got that roster, he got that team to the Super Bowl. It's probably more impressive than what he did last year.
- [90:06]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I. I understand what you're saying. It would be hard to argue that. I'm just. As we start to. And again, Josh Allen's definitely closing the gap. And I know stats are not everything. I do think Josh Allen is. Is he. He is one of the best players, if not the best player in the NFL. But I'm sitting here and I'm looking at how much Kool Aid we're drinking with this MVP race with Josh Allen making all, like, closing the gap this much. And I'm sitting here, I'm like, dude, we just can't. Like, Stafford is thrown for three, 700 yards.
- [90:34]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
He's the MVP right now.
- [90:36]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. 37 touchdowns, five interceptions. Josh Allen's got 25 to 10. I know stats are not everything. I'm just. Man, we cannot, like, I feel like so close all these years and the fact that he's this far above. Not like that far above, like, the gap is not insanely wide, but where he's kind of sitting compared to everybody else who's in the conversation. I'm like, I would hate to just see Stafford get cucked when he's right there. He could easily have the MVP trophy. Yeah, he's got to Win one playoff game.
- [91:07]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
I think he will and I think he wins it. So again, it could. That could mean an NFC championship. Right. Because he could get the buy. Thursday is going to be huge. He could get the buy if he wins the divisional round. He's in the conference championship. I think. Win or lose, he's the mvp.
- [91:22]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [91:23]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
So I'm not. I'm not saying Stafford right now. If I had a vote, he'd be my vote. I'm just saying we all know how this works. An early exit by. By the Rams, even if Stafford plays well, an early exit by the Rams and a Super bowl run by the Bills.
- [91:41]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [91:43]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Is going to factor in.
- [91:44]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah.
- [91:45]
Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Right or wrong. Right or wrong.
- [91:46]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Right.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Rams, Bill. Super bowl would be.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
That'd be sick.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
That would be awesome.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
All right, Greg. You're the man, bro.
- [91:54]
Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Let's give Greg applause. Appreciate you. Thank you very much, brother.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Great show.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
What a show, man.
- [92:01]
Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Great show.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Heart goes out to Mahomes, dude. Heart goes out to my homes, Travis.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
It's like I'm sitting there, you know, like, I see my home's post. I'm like, yeah, I'm just seeing Chiefs fans come in like, you, you wanted this, blah, blah. I'm like, dude, like, like, I'm here for the entertainment side of trolling. I enjoy, like, I, you know, this back and forth in the anti Chiefs. I absolutely enjoy to. To pour salt on the wound. But something that's real like this, like, I never want anybody to get in 100%.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
And I think the. The logical human beings out there understand that the people that have followed comp for a long time, hate on the Internet comes.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Yeah.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
You know, you see this Michigan stuff right now, I'm just catching strays everywhere. I'm getting bullets everywhere on the Michigan. And they're like, you're the problem, too. I'm like, whoa, what are we doing here? He's like, holy, man.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
If you're listening right now to the NFL Talk, make sure you're subscribed, leaving comments wherever you're watching the boys right now, college football. We are going to mix it into the intro of Busting with the Boys that drops tomorrow with Dion Dawkins, left tackle of the Buffalo Bills. An absolute stud. Phenomenal energy throughout that episode.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
No.
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
Yeah. We'll be covering our college football talk tomorrow on there because not a lot happened over the weekend in college football. Well, headlines with Michigan with coaching searches with Kenny Heisman, who's. Yeah, Heisman, Dillingham, Bore Fish, Michigan. But as far as games go and everything else we had. Army, navy, barn burner. We will get into that tomorrow with our Bus with the Boys episode. So again, stay tuned for that. We love you. Big hugs, tiny kisses, see you tomorrow. This is Julian Edelman from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and Jewels. Sunday mornings I've got my game day ritual, coffee, lucky socks and now new morning Uncrustable sandwiches.
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Ed Helms / Kal Penn (Audiobook Club Hosts)
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Ed Helms / Kal Penn (Audiobook Club Hosts)
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Ed Helms / Kal Penn (Audiobook Club Hosts)
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Host 1 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Ed Helms / Kal Penn (Audiobook Club Hosts)
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Janice Torres here and I'm Austin Hankwitz.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
We host the podcast Mind the Business.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
Small Business Success Stories produced by Ruby.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
Studio in partnership with Intuit QuickBooks.
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Commercial Announcer
We're back for season four to talk to some incredible small business owners.
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
The big thing about working at tech is that it's ever evolving, ever changing. Everyone's a rookie. That's how fast the industry is changing. So what I'm really excited about is to be part of that change.
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Host 2 (possibly a sports commentator)
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Greg Olson (Former NFL Player and Analyst)
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Commercial Announcer
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