NFL Wild Card Reaction: Buffalo Bills Easiest Path To Super Bowl? + Philadelphia Eagles Collapse

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys

Episode Title: NFL Wild Card Reaction: Buffalo Bills Easiest Path To Super Bowl? + Philadelphia Eagles Collapse
Date: January 12, 2026
Guests: Greg Olson (NFL analyst, guest), Will Compton (host), Taylor Lewan (host), Joe (co-host), Mitch (producer)

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Overview: Episode Theme and Purpose

This episode is a comprehensive, unfiltered breakdown of the most recent NFL Wild Card weekend. NFL analyst Greg Olson joins the Bussin’ with the Boys crew—Will Compton, Taylor Lewan, and Joe—to dissect all the storylines coming out of an electrifying wild card round. The Boys debate the nature and impact of momentum in football, analyze coaching decisions, break down notable plays and strategies, and project the easiest path to the Super Bowl for teams like the Buffalo Bills. The collapse of the Philadelphia Eagles is discussed at length, as well as insights into broadcasting, college football upsets, and even wild theories about the San Francisco 49ers’ practice injuries. The episode’s signature tone is rowdy, banter-filled, and deeply inside the world of NFL players and analysts.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Momentum Debate – What Is It and Does It Matter?

• Debate sparked by Greg Olson’s skepticism about ‘momentum’ as a real, quantifiable phenomenon in football.
• Joe and Will emphasize “energy” and the “collective confidence” of a team as the nucleus of momentum.
• Olson sees “momentum” as a blanket term used to cover up the complexities and nuances of football execution.
• There are several analogies (Harry Potter’s Golden Snitch [06:04], Drake May catching a vibe, etc.) debating whether momentum is a magical game-changer or just a narrative crutch.

“Momentum is the golden snitch. You’re not just gonna get that thing all the time…whoever grabs the most momentum at the end of the game, they’re the winners.” – Joe [06:04]

“For something that’s so important and everyone’s trying to capture, nobody can actually maintain it. That’s the part that I find so funny.” – Greg Olson [05:34]

• The group ultimately agrees that while execution is essential, the psychological effects of ‘momentum’ are hard to completely dismiss—even for skeptics like Olson.

“Momentum and execution are arm in arm. I accept the execution. I accept some of the analytics… But you’re not going to tell me there’s no such thing as momentum because we all believe it, we all feel it. When we get a little juice, we capture a little bit of energy.” – Will Compton [15:23]

2. Wildcard Weekend Recap: Game Analysis

• Patriots handled the Chargers: Defensive game plan was praised, especially head coach Mike Vrabel’s clock management and substitutions [36:00–37:55].
• Jaguars’ winning streak and sudden playoff exit: Discussion of how Jacksonville “lost their momentum” by abandoning a successful run game for too much passing, with criticism directed at coaching decisions [10:09–11:06].
• Carolina Panthers & Los Angeles Rams: Rams started strong (“momentum”), but the game quickly swung back and forth, reinforcing the debate around fleeting momentum and execution [07:57–09:14].
• Chicago Bears’ comeback against the Packers:
  • The Bears’ performance in the second half was highlighted as a “momentum”-based resurgence (six points in first half, 68 in second) [41:54–44:00].
  • Notable play breakdown: Colston Loveland running a “real route” on a two-point conversion – praised by Greg Olson as an elite-level NFL tight end move [47:12–51:16].

3. Who Now Has the Easiest Path to the Super Bowl?

• Buffalo Bills are spotlighted as having a favorable path after beating the Jaguars:

  • Josh Allen is called a “generationally talented, unique, not just quarterback, just all-around football player” – Greg Olson [66:25].
  • Bills expected to handle Denver (“I’d rather play Denver in Denver than New England in New England” – Greg Olson [65:33–66:25]).

• NFC Paths:

  • Seahawks and Rams positioned as the best-situated teams, especially with the Seahawks coming off a bye [36:17–38:27].
  • Caution about “momentum letdowns” after big comebacks, particularly for the Bears [38:41].

4. Philadelphia Eagles’ Collapse

• Consensus that the Eagles’ season was an underachievement due to internal issues, lack of offensive creativity, and underperformance despite a talented, healthy roster [52:25–57:33].
• Debate over whether head coach Nick Sirianni should go (“non-starter” for Greg Olson), but staff changes are predicted.
• Call-out of media and fan tendency to overreact, with a reminder that the NFL is complex and success isn’t guaranteed by talent alone.

“That defense that they played against, that they couldn’t score in the second half against, was playing guys that weren’t on the team three weeks ago... It’s remarkable what San Francisco was able to do.” – Greg Olson [56:39]

5. The Importance of Coaching: Who Calls the Plays?

• Greg Olson argues for the primacy of head coaches who are also play callers (McVay, Shanahan) over CEO-types, citing the instability teams face when they repeatedly lose offensive coordinators [58:09–61:28].
• Special praise for Mike Vrabel’s management and how having an experienced former head coach as OC can be a secret weapon (e.g., Josh McDaniels) [61:28–62:37].
• Defensive coordinators are easier to replace than OCs, leading to greater long-term stability when the head coach calls the offense [65:03].

6. College Football Sidebar: Indiana’s Cinderella Story

• Deep-dive into Indiana football’s miraculous season—potentially the greatest turnaround and coaching job in college football history [87:02–90:01].
• Discussion on legacy, sustainability, and how the fanbase is experiencing "a dream on top of a dream" [89:27–90:07].

7. Injury Plagues and Theories: The 49ers’ Practice Facility

• Emerging social media theory that the 49ers’ spate of soft-tissue injuries may be connected to electromagnetic fields (EMFs) near their practice field [101:10–104:43].
• The Boys aren’t scientists but find the comparison of dying trees and EMF readings persuasive for speculation—calling for “Huberman to break this down” [106:18].

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Momentum Metaphor:

  “Momentum is the golden snitch.” – Joe [06:04]

• On fleeting confidence:

  “In other games where I’m like, he could throw it at my ass and I’d catch it… Like I can catch it with one hand behind my back.” – Greg Olson [12:19]

• On the Eagles’ collapse:

  “…for the most part, their top line guys were all there, with the exception of Lane (Johnson). So, that’s an underachievement.” – Greg Olson [56:39]

• On coaching stability:

  “Sean McVay, every day, the only guy that's called plays for Matthew Stafford…you never lose him.” – Greg Olson [59:26]

• On Indiana football's historic rise:

  “I think this is the greatest coaching job we’ve ever seen…The legacy is going to be statue-like. I'm sure there'll be a movie about this one day because it is unreal.” – Will Compton [89:52]

• On Niners’ injuries and practice field theory:

  “We don’t know enough about it, but we know it’s 100% fact.” – Will Compton [102:30]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [06:04] — Defining momentum: Is it real or a crutch?
• [36:00] — Patriots’ defensive masterclass and Bill Belichick appreciation.
• [41:54] — Bears’ historic second half comebacks and Loveland’s route breakdown.
• [47:12] — Colston Loveland: “Real routes” and the evolution of the tight end position.
• [56:39] — Greg Olson on the Eagles’ collapse and San Francisco’s resilience.
• [58:09] — The head coach/play-caller dichotomy and why it matters for NFL franchises.
• [66:25] — Josh Allen, Buffalo’s prospects, and the divisional round preview.
• [87:02] — Indiana’s historic season and college football legacy talk.
• [101:10] — 49ers’ soft-tissue injuries and the “EMF” practice field theory.

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Tone and Style

• Unfiltered, locker-room style banter — hosts and guests pull no punches and lean hard into insider football talk.
• Frequent use of analogies, sarcasm, and humor to underline points, especially in debates (“If there’s a white guy in the secondary, chances are you’re gonna go after him…” – Greg Olson [48:41]).
• Thorough, passionate arguments with a sharp edge but clear camaraderie.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode delivers an electric recap of a wild NFL playoff weekend, with in-depth breakdowns of strategy, psychology, and execution—always colored by the Boys’ signature style. The running joke/debate on “momentum” provides a hilarious and thought-provoking throughline, while expert analysis on the state of coaching, both NFL and college, offers listeners real insider knowledge. Football fans will especially appreciate the vivid game replays, meta commentary on sports media cliches, and the seamless pivot between hard analysis and locker-room banter.

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Listen if you want:

• Raw, expert breakdowns of NFL playoff games and coaching strategy
• A fiery group debate on the real impact of “momentum”
• Unique football stories, from wild card weekend to Indiana’s fairytale season
• Hot takes, humor, and real talk about what matters in the NFL playoffs

Transcript

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[Will]

All right, welcome to another episode of Bust with the Boys. This is our football weekend recap. We're breaking down the NFL playoffs. We do have a game tonight between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Houston Texans, but we'll talk about all the storylines coming out of the weekend. Josh Allen. Josh Allen takes down the Jacksonville Jaguars.

[Joe]

Josh Allen, best player in the NFL.

[Will]

Yeah. Rams were in a dogfight. We had an incredible slate of games. Greg Olson is going to be joining us. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're going to be talking momentum, situational awareness, all the fun stuff that you guys know us to talk about. But as always, we are presented by the number one sportsbook in America, and that is FanDuel. And now we were treated to some excellent football this past weekend, boys. And the wild card round did not disappoint and FanDuel is hooking it up for tonight's finale. That's because FanDuel is giving all customers a playoff reward stack on tonight's Texan Steelers matchup. Claim the stack and you'll get two, not one, but two profit boost tokens. One to use on a same game parlay and another to use on an Anytime Touchdown score. So feel free. DK Metcalf anytime touchdown score Nico Collins anytime TD score. DK Metcalf over 40 yards. Nico over 40 yards. All you got to do is visit FanDuel, the official sportsbook partner of the NFL, and gear up for the last, last game of this truly wild wild card round. We appreciate you for being here. Make sure you're subscribed, leaving comments throughout the episode and let's kick it off. We'll get Grey goes Olsen the horn and we will be talking some football.

[Joe]

Greg, baby, how are you?

[Greg Olson]

What up?

[Joe]

Killing. Killing.

[Greg Olson]

How about there is nothing I love more than mid game tweets from Will.

[Will]

What?

[Joe]

Hey, you got to start tweeting back mid game.

[Will]

What did you say?

[Greg Olson]

There's nothing I love more than the mid game tweets and texts from you guys.

[Joe]

Are we rolling, Mitchie?

[Will]

I love it.

[Greg Olson]

Boys. I need to find somewhere there sun right now I have my shades down humble brag, my automatic shades and I'm getting blasted by the sunrise and I don't know where to stand.

[Will]

Take it's.

[Joe]

Bring out the color in your eyes.

[Will]

Take. Take a few minutes. Do whatever you got to do.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's. Hold on.

[Greg Olson]

I'm right here.

[Joe]

Hold on. What. What game did you call while we're waiting for you to figure out your life?

[Will]

I called. He was the early one.

[Greg Olson]

I called Panthers.

[Joe]

Panthers. Rams.

[Greg Olson]

I called Panthers. Rams.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Will]

I mean, I know, dude. It's like I sit there and I even try and time it up to when Greg might. Might check his phone.

[Joe]

Yeah. Because the thing too is like, I'll.

[Greg Olson]

Check my phone during my game.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

When we're on ESPN with Orlovsky, like every break, he immediately goes to his phone. Then you go in after, after the show and you're on Twitter kind of just surfing and you see her loft. She's been tweeting back at a lot of people and I think that would be a great bag to add to your game. Is like, oh, damn, Greg. He's.

[Will]

You know, Greg's got a different process.

[Joe]

Yeah, Greg is a no nonsense process guy. Greg's a guy that hated social media and he's like, that is so lame. You guys shouldn't be do that. Like focus on ball. And now he's found himself in a world where like I kind of have to. Yeah. And I hate it. Am I wrong by saying that?

[Greg Olson]

No, I mean I. I definitely am involved in social media during the week. I try to. Social media is how I keep up with news, trends, pop culture, just everyday life entertainment. So like I'm. I don't engage on social media consistently, but I view it, I consume it. I'm not a great in. I don't create a lot of social media content, but I do absorb a lot of it and find a lot of it amusing, stupid, funny, you know, everything in between. But yeah, the last thing you can do during a game, in my opinion, maybe some guys do, is like Worry about what's being said on Twitter or what people's critiques are, what people say is good, bad, momentum, you know, all that. So, I mean, I. I obviously see the tweets after the games, and I have people that now, like, send them to me, which is the way I get a lot of my storylines is now people are in on the. In on the kind of joke and. And send it to me. But I, I. The idea of, like, reacting to social media during the game blows my mind.

[Will]

Dude, because I feel like the worst thing, too. And correct me if I' Greg, but say you were just to, like, scan your phone. It might even just be. It could just be text messages. But if you get something that is, like, maybe either egregious or abrasive or about something called, then you're like, think that's, like, on your mind. Then when you were about to go.

[Joe]

That could make sense.

[Will]

You're about to go back on tv. You might not, like, you might not even be thinking about it as a reason why you don't. But I'm just, you know, I'm just spitballing because I'm. I, like, I'm trying to time it up when you might go to commercial, and I might have, like, something with momentum. Momentum. Hey, you got to talk about momentum.

[Greg Olson]

Hey, the Rams had all the momentum when that game started, dude.

[Will]

They had all the momentum.

[Greg Olson]

It's crazy, though. It's just, you know, you guys have really opened my eyes to not only the idea of momentum and how important it is, but for something that's so important and that everybody is just so desperately trying to grab onto. It's just amazing to me how it's so ever fleeting. That's the part, you know, for something so important that everyone's trying to capture, nobody can actually maintain it. That's. That's the part of it that I find so funny.

[Joe]

Yeah, dude, momentum is the golden snitch. Like, you're not just gonna get that thing all the time. Always, like, eventually, like, someone's getting closer to the snitch than the other person. It's just a back and forth, and whoever grabs the most momentum at the end of the game, they are the winners. I was listening to. I can't remember what game was. Oh, you know what? It was right after the game last night, the 49ers game, 49ers Eagles. And it was just three people sitting at the desk in the middle. Guy, he was a coach for the Steelers for a long time, and Bill Coward, he's Sitting there. And he literally is just speaking on the idea of momentum and how it's not a quantifiable asset that you can possibly have, but it's so real. It is real. And he was like. And you listen to you speak about how momentum is like so not a thing in the beat of our podcast. He's like, I gotta prove like, I truly thought he was like sub speaking to you on national.

[Greg Olson]

Maybe he's a huge fan of Bustle with the Boys. I think he just loves the Monday. Maybe he just loves the Monday recap. Yeah, you know, listen, I'm not, I'm not anti it. I'm not. I'm not close minded. You know, I think we watched a whole weekend of football where at any moment in time, if we pressed pause, one team had all the momentum and that was so critical to their future success. And then within two to four plays or at most a possession or two, somehow that momentum that was so critical to grab onto, somehow the other team got it. And it. I don't know, it just. I don't know, it just, it's just. To me so. It just feels lazy. It just feels like. I don't know what else to say. So I'm just gonna fill this in with this non. No one can tell me I'm wrong. No one can prove to me I'm wrong. But in no world can I prove that it's right. You know, you just.

[Will]

Again, there's moments where you have the momentum and then boom, you can lose it. Bam. Like Carolina gets in that game, they don't get back in the game. If my. Or if the Rams continue to build a momentum and the ball just doesn't hit Puka in the head or hands.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, if they could drop the ball.

[Joe]

Puka's not mad that he dropped the ball. He's mad. He's mad because he hurt the momentum.

[Will]

You flew too close to the sun. You flew too close to the sun.

[Greg Olson]

Too much momentum.

[Will]

There's this fine balance of having the juice. It's like when Drake may they do that little speed option and he pumps it on the DN and DN falls for it. He goes up to get a first down. Like this juice comes in your body. Like, oh, I'm playing with the. I'm starting to feel it. I'm playing with this different level of swag. But you can't fly too close to the sun. Get over your skis and think every. Everything's a cakewalk. You still got to execute. Interesting. And then the moment you Have a lapse, A lapse. And it can happen like that. Momentum gone.

[Joe]

That's the thing, man. Think about all the practices, the games that you've played in your life. When you walk out and you're like, bro, I really can't miss today. That's momentum.

[Will]

And you start.

[Joe]

You start bowing out a little bit and all of a sudden you're like, I'm feeling myself. Oh, yo, you see Greggy? You see him on the outside block right there. Oh, my. He just caught a nice little thing. Took a little farther ba. He's feeling himself. He's feeling himself. Then all of a sudden through the hands. That's how you kill momentum. Yeah, you had momentum and it got killed.

[Will]

Or maybe Greg, you as a coach, you got a couple plays that you would like to get to. Maybe in the right situation or circumstances, your players out there, they start creating this momentum to where you're now loosening up a little bit as a head coach, and you're like, I'm dropping this play on him.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

And then that play works. And you're thinking, hey, I'm kind of in my bag right now. Versus if you didn't have momentum, then maybe your own feeling is like, okay, maybe I don't go to this play right now. I'm getting a little more. I'm getting a little bit more in the box. I'm kind of handcuffing myself a little bit. But you get to free yourselves from the cuffs whenever you start sparking a little bit of momentum.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

Does that make sense?

[Joe]

Jaguars. Jaguars.

[Will]

That's.

[Greg Olson]

That's so. I mean, Jaguars had won, what, seven straight? Six straight. Ish. What? They finished the season six, six and zero.

[Joe]

I think they was it eight.

[Greg Olson]

Okay. Whatever it was, it felt like they had all the momentum.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Obviously didn't play out well.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's. That's that. I love that you brought that up.

[Will]

Play a football.

[Joe]

Eight game winning streak. Right. It's a reset. Like you can start.

[Greg Olson]

Guys, I need. I'm gonna like, I gotta write like a board of all the rules and.

[Joe]

We need to do that. We'll hit that in the off season for you for sure. Project like mid April, we'll have a breakdown of like, this is how momentum works. We're have a full Q A. But if you go in the playoffs, your eight game winning streak, that's a great momentum start to have. But just like the movie F1, like you're starting in different places now, so you might start at the front of the pack with your Momentum, but it all depends on how you drive that game. Now, I believe the Jaguars were running at like 6.1 yards per carry for it, per carry, but they were, they were toting the rock pretty nice and they got a little pass happy. Liam Coleman, as great of a coach as he has been the entire year, might have hurt his team's momentum because Trevor Lawrence himself wasn't having a momentous day. Does that make sense? Can we feel good about that?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I mean, it sounds like, it sounds like that's the answer to all of this. When you don't, when you're unhappy with the results, it's because you didn't capture or you lost said momentum. And when you do have momentary success, the reason for it is that momentary momentum, but it could lose. You could lose it at any moment. Yeah, it's, you know, it's, Yeah, I guess I'm starting to really learn how just utterly ridiculous it all sounds. No, no, no.

[Will]

Momentum is not the.

[Greg Olson]

Listen, I believe guys have confidence. I believe athletes feel more confident than others. We've talked about that. I feel there's a mentality that's built through processes and routine. And yes, I believe good practice matters. I believe good practice habits matter. I believe building out your pregame, like, I, I believe all those things from a comfort level put players in a better or worse spot to go out and have success. I'm not saying at an individual level, these feelings are not real. They, they certainly are. I, I, I, I've experienced those same moments of doubt and fear and holy shit, I've forgotten how to catch the ball. I hope he doesn't throw it to me. And in other games where I'm like, he could throw it at my ass and I'd catch it. You know what I mean? Like, I can catch it with one hand behind my back.

[Will]

Yeah, because you got some juice happening.

[Joe]

He's got momentum.

[Greg Olson]

But, but I'm, I don't, I'm not going to sit here and say that there's this, like, big collective universe of this energy that no one can sense called momentum that is somehow coming and going and losing and great. I don't know. I don't catch a ball, drop a ball, make a block, miss a block, catch a ball, drop a ball is. But every time people talk about Momentum switches sides 3,000 times a moment, and everyone's trying to capture this arbitrary thing, but they haven't quite figured out how to hold on to it.

[Joe]

Greg, do you have a best friend?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

When you're around your best Friend, do you feel like a man? I'm so stoked to be around my boy right now.

[Greg Olson]

That's how I feel when I'm on the show.

[Joe]

Okay, great. So. All right, well, you probably won't get this in this show, but let's say you're with your boy and you see him, and then you walk away and you're like, man, my boy didn't really feel like my boy today. He kind of felt like he was a little off. Something was a little different about my boy. You felt that before, like everyone. Yeah, yeah. So individually, that's called energy. You take 11 energies and then another 11 energies. That's one collective energy. And that's. That is essentially the nucleus of momentum. So when you're feeling everyone's got their different energy, their confidence is, hey, I hope he doesn't throw the ball at me. That's someone's energy that they're. They're vibrating at a lower frequency. And then there's the Greg Olson that you can throw it at my ass. I'm gonna catch every time. That's a higher. A higher frequency now we're looking at. Right. And then collectively, as a unit, there's a percentage that goes up. So based on all the guys, you could be riding at 70% energy, 80% energy, but you don't want to get too high. So just like the universe, you can. You can kind of take out for people that aren't religious, hey, instead of saying God, let's say universe. Now, all the things are the same. You can basically do that with energy and momentum the same way. Am I. Am I off kilter in that you're. You're. You're.

[Will]

You're saying a little something right there.

[Joe]

Say a little something you agree with or something. A little something that, like, oh, something.

[Will]

That I buy because I believe in momentum. I. I think where we get stuck because everybody's sitting there listening comments is It's. This has just been a debate show on moment. I think we. We all understand and correct me if I'm wrong, Greg, but momentum is arm in arm with execution. Like, I know from my seat that I sit in, I believe in momentum. I also believe in execution. So I buy into, again, the messages we go back and forth on. I'm like, I'm acceptive or accepting and receptive to the messages that you bring on busting with the boys when teaching football. I feel like you're in a spot to where you're not necessarily wanting to accept momentum because moment is there, whether you want to believe it or not. I'll give you an example. So listen, we got New Year's resolutions going on. We got. We got accountability buddy systems that haven't taken place day in and day out because we're not building each and every day. We're not stacking days. When you have an off day or you miss a workout. Let's say you want to get a sweat in 20 minutes every day, you're six days into it, in the seventh day, you kind of. Something happens.

[Greg Olson]

You guys got a sweat in today?

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Will]

Have not gotten a sweat in. And the conversation I will have with myself is, I'm not stacking consistency like I'm killing my own momentum because now I'm in my head thinking I'm going to have to restart or reset because it comes down to executing and building on that momentum. So momentum and execution are arm in arm. I accept the execution. I accept some of the analytics football talk that we have. I get that. Okay, I need to buy in or I want to buy into this, because it does make sense to me. But you're not going to tell me there's no such thing as momentum because we all believe it. We all feel it. When we get a little juice, we capture a little bit of energy.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, I'm not debating that. There's times where you feel you have all the energy. I'm just asking why then so quickly.

[Will]

Does it flip when you miss an extra point? And you can't be.

[Greg Olson]

If you had all the momentum, why'd you miss the extra point?

[Joe]

Because that's a new energy being brought in.

[Greg Olson]

Because he saw the energy. Why'd Puka drop the ball if you had all the energy, why when it was 14, nothing. Wasn't it 28 nothing. That's why when you had. It's just such a. It's just so silly. Yeah, but look, look, look.

[Will]

This is where they didn't execute.

[Greg Olson]

You watched those games over the last two days and thought, oh, my God, the team that's in control. And they just skated on. The games flipped a thousand times. The games went back and forth. I threw. Drake May threw an interception on the first drive of the game.

[Will]

Oh, my God, he's MVPs.

[Greg Olson]

Done. He stinks. Matthew Stafford couldn't complete a pass in the third quarter. All the momentum was gone. The pet Stafford can't complete a pass. He's the worst performance of his season. And in the fourth quarter, he didn't throw an incompletion.

[Will]

So I.

[Greg Olson]

It just. I don't know like when did he have it? When did he lose it? Who took it? Did he lose it in the lock? I. No one can ever say they just throw out. The team that's doing well is only doing well because they have the momentum. It's just nonsense.

[Will]

They've been executing.

[Greg Olson]

I know when I'm sitting back because you're executing. They're playing well. The right guard didn't jump off sides. I didn't miss the slide call the route. The receiver didn't run his route deep enough for. It's football. There's a thousand things that can go wrong. I think to just blanket statement. When it goes right they've got the momentum and that's why it's going right. And then when there's something that goes wrong it's just because they've arbitrary given the momentum back as opposed to saying why are they. Why is their past game struggling? Why is their defensive. Why is J.C. horn and Mike Jackson playing so well? What are the coverages that they're using? What are they doing up front? Are they blitzing more than they normally do? Like that's my take on it. If we all just sat there and just said man, this team's got all the momentum. They're doing great. We wouldn't need to analyze the game. We would just throw out these cliche. You know, they're really came out to establish the run today. Like what.

[Joe]

What I think.

[Greg Olson]

Hold on.

[Joe]

That's a good take. That's a good take.

[Greg Olson]

No, it's just lazy in my opinion. It's lazy. Now I'm not. I certainly don't have all the answers. This is just one man's opinion of doing my job of trying to present context of a football game that's very complicated and very complex and a thousand different layers of physical and mental and emotional individuals that are there. I mean you guys know it. There's a thousand things. I think they just put this blanket label on the good and bad times related to a word that nobody can define is just lazy.

[Will]

But you can feel it. Greg.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Will]

Like menu yo.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Were you not the Panthers when the Panthers threw that touchdown? Buddy, I was sitting in that stadium. Bank of America Stadium hadn't been like that in 10 years. That place was rocking. There was 78, 000. The scoreboards lighting. There's a laser show. Jalen Coker's in the back corner. Bryce Young's getting helped up by the official. They just took the lead. They had all the momentum. And then Matthew Stafford went touchdown. And then they Lost?

[Will]

Yeah, it. Dude, it's like. It's like you said, it's fleeting. It can happen.

[Joe]

It's like fickle game. Momentum.

[Will]

It's the audience, the. The destiny. If we're going to fulfill the destiny of this. The audience that loves to try, that loves to listen in and listen to Greg Olson come on and hear us talk back and forth on momentum. The destiny, if we're going to fulfill it. It's just Greg acknowledging that momentum's real. You just said it how the stadium, it hadn't been like that in 10 years. You're watching it happen. You're watching the Juice.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, I'm not saying it didn't exist. I'm just saying. But now people need to know, hey.

[Will]

The momentum we're feeling in this place right now, Joe, do you see it? Can you see there isn't an ass on an empty seat?

[Joe]

Put your hand out, Joe. You can literally touch the momentum right.

[Will]

Now, and the audience of this show is going to just come up like Leonardo DiCaprio, like, there he is. He's.

[Joe]

He's.

[Will]

He's understanding what the audience feels when they're at home watching this game and being like, oh, man. Do you. Do you feel this momentum?

[Greg Olson]

Felt it.

[Will]

Oh, snap. It went the other way.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, we felt it in the booth. I just want to know why. Why in 30 seconds later, after the kickoff, that it left.

[Joe]

Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford.

[Greg Olson]

I guess.

[Will]

I guess we're going to snatch the soul from these guys, right?

[Greg Olson]

This is.

[Joe]

This is Pokemon. This is Dragon Ball Z. This is you.

[Will]

You.

[Joe]

You've gathered your individuals to help you, and if you just have a Matthew Stafford on the other side, it's like that guy at any moment can take your momentum and he can shove it up your ass. That's what he can do.

[Greg Olson]

And I got. And the best part about this is I have you guys and all of your trusted listeners pointing it out to me multiple times a game, and for that, I feel like we've won.

[Joe]

We have not won. We haven't won.

[Greg Olson]

We have not won. We have no winners and losers. We have no winners and losers.

[Joe]

It hasn't been successful until Greg Olson is on a broadcast and even just goes. A lot of people right now are probably thinking to themselves, there's a lot of momentum taking place. I just need you to mention momentum and then we can take the next step. And if. For God's sake, if you don't do anything else and just look at our text messages at a commercial break, you'll know the right Time. Hey, don't look at Twitter. People are haters on Twitter. Hey, look at our group chat. Yeah.

[Will]

And I'm even calling BS on that because he was a no show last week on this show right after the weekend, that where we laid out the formula of here. Here's when you inject momentum into the conversation. When the Patriots go up and I.

[Joe]

Gave you great, dude.

[Will]

I told you.

[Joe]

Hey, this is about us right now. Talking about Greg not showing up on the show after he had the perfect opportunities of momentum in a group chat that you displayed perfectly.

[Will]

And we said it on the show, like, here's what's going to happen.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Will]

When New England scores and you're going to talk about this loss of the Buffalo Bills. The best thing that ever happened to this team. Whatever I said. And then we laid it out in the group chat. Hey, here's the quote that you're going to hit Joe with if when the Patriots go up seven. Nothing. And it was right there to the point to where I had to leave. And I was taking my daughter to a birthday party. And I'm telling her, no, sweetheart, we can't listen to the frozen soundtrack. Dada has to listen to this game right now. Door. I had it cranked up the drive after. I'm waiting to hear here. When's Greggy boy going to talk about everything we laid on the game plan? When is he going to execute all the things that he preaches? We are right there, right? And it never got mentioned.

[Joe]

And, dude, I am. I'm literally going outside. It's dusk, and I'm going to do get the chickens and get the eggs and feed them for the nighttime. And my dad texts me and says, greg Olson is crushing this call right now, ever since you've had him on the show. And I see the fun you guys have. I have. I. I love what listening to Greg Olson call show. And my only text back, did he mention momentum? My only text back to him, did he mention momentum? And my dad had to break my heart. He had to break my heart.

[Will]

This show lost on me. This show lost all of its momentum when you decided not to execute on Sunday.

[Joe]

Exactly.

[Greg Olson]

That's fair. That's fair.

[Joe]

Exactly.

[Greg Olson]

That's on me. I got a whole year. I don't broadcast again until September. No, I'm done, boys. What do you mean we're done? Divisional round, it just goes to the four A crews.

[Joe]

Oh, Greg, that's bullshit, dude.

[Will]

You're an A crew. You're an A crew.

[Joe]

You're a crew to us.

[Greg Olson]

Well, I. That means a lot coming from you guys, but I appreciate it greatly. But, yeah, we're. We're done, man. I'm in. I'm like, today's like, my exit meeting. And instead of doing my exit meeting with, like, I'm doing my exit meeting.

[Will]

With you guys, you're doing. This is the exit meeting.

[Joe]

And honestly, if you want to break it down, you have such great insight on the game. You do great job technically, both on offense and the defensive side. The ball, if there is room, room to improve. Allow the audience to be a part of your broadcast by mentioning momentum.

[Will]

Yeah, the audience as a whole understands the energy and momentum shifts because, buddy, speak to him a little bit.

[Joe]

There is going to be a rocket ship of momentum that takes off and explodes in the atmosphere the minute you mentioned momentum in October, mid October, mid spooktober of next year.

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[Will]

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[Greg Olson]

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[Will]

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[Greg Olson]

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[Will]

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[Greg Olson]

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[Will]

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[Greg Olson]

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[Will]

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[Greg Olson]

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[Will]

With the new morning uncrustable sandwiches packed with 12 grams of protein. I do have one question, a real question, Will, before, because I know everybody's probably like when we start talking about these football games, a real question as you're like getting in, is this something that's just contractually laid out and you know, no matter what, at all times the last game is going to be called divisional round or is there a feeling or a sense that it might, that there could be an opportunity or a potential for you to call a game beyond the divisional round?

[Greg Olson]

No, it's all, it's all preset, you know, so whenever they went to the, you know, like super wild card where there's, you know, what is it, six games?

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

So the way, the way the TV deal goes well this year, so it was, you know, the main eight crews go fox, cbs, NBC, ESPN and Amazon, so prime. So those five and then there's an extra game. So this year the fo the in the broadcast deal, it kind of rotates. You know, CBS might their beat their second crew might have gotten a game in years past. I want to say last year like Peacock had a game. So this year the six slots of wild card were the five regular networks, four networks and one streamer. And then Fox had the second, the sixth game, like the Fox had the sixth game. So that's the way it worked. But then when it goes to the divisional round, it just goes to cbs, NBC, Fox and espn. So it just goes to the four main. So there's no, there's nothing you can do. It's not, there's no momentum you can build and then lose and then build it back and then lose it again? Yeah, it's just clear cut. You know, we got the wild card this year and, and that'll be it. So we've known this all year.

[Will]

Is there a momentum that takes place in the off season to where you are looked at as the A crew for next year or is that, is that all, is that already kind of figured out? Contractually?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. All these contracts are multi year. So you know, Tom's obviously under contract for eight more years with Fox, you know, so it. And then, you know, Romo's under contract and Aikman and Collinsworth, Herb street and then obviously all the crews. Really the only networks that have like second, third, fourth, fifth, you know, down the line of multiple crews or Fox and cbs just because, you know, we're the two networks that broadcast the full slate of games every Sunday. But yeah, all those, all those contracts, no different than playing. All those contracts are multi year deals are laid out into the future and pretty clear kind of what crew you're on in those.

[Will]

How much longer do you have with Fox?

[Greg Olson]

My contract runs out next year, so I got the 20, 26 seasons. My last contractual season as of now.

[Joe]

Well, we talked about this too.

[Will]

Like I know, I know he's gonna.

[Joe]

Be a busing guy in two years.

[Will]

Oh, that's right.

[Joe]

That's right.

[Will]

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[Joe]

Momentum.

[Will]

Am I allowed to ask Going into your next deal, you're looking, you'd be looking for. I, I need to be part of an A team. Am I allowed to ask that? You can ask that.

[Greg Olson]

You can ask me anything you want. This is the trust trick.

[Will]

Okay.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. You know, I've been pretty, I've been very open and honest about all of that, you know, I love doing this. I love talking ball, I love analyzing the game, I love calling the games. It's something. Now I just finished my fifth season doing it and I really enjoy it. You know, I've called playoff games and super bowl and, you know, some really cool moments. And my plan is to do this for as long as people will have me and don't kick me out. You know, the reality about this world is there's only a couple of those top jobs. Right. Each network has one. And there's only really five networks slash streamers that are in the game as of now. So, you know, those seats don't become open very often. So you kind of. It's really just a waiting game and buying your time and just try to. No different as a player. You just try to do as good of a job as you can in the job that you have at the moment. And you just hope over time people see it and believe in it and appreciate it. And some do, some don't. But you need one person that really likes the way you do it and feels that you can be an asset. And there's also a big timing element of that, like, are you available? Is this seat available? So for right now, I'm really happy doing what I'm doing, calling games. I've got a great crew. We call some really cool moments, obviously playoff games and whatnot. So I'll, you know, the rest of that. There's really just like a. An element of you just got to see how the market opens up. There's not a whole lot that you can do.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

If hypothetically, since we're playing the trust tree game, let's just say like a. Netflix got like a slate of games. Like they were, they were now a part of that group of cbs, Fox, espn, all that. And they're like, hey, we need an A list crew for a game and you're an exclusivity deal with cbs. Would you humor the idea? They're like, let me ask it in a way that you can actually answer. Would there be a buyout that kind of takes place if they were to buy you out and go to like Netflix or how would that work if hypothetically, you. There was an option for you to be an A list guy?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So certainly you would entertain those and have to dive deeper into what exactly the role is and the slate of games. And you know, it's. It's easy to label something as an A job, a B job, a C job, but. But you really have to just get A framework of what games are you broadcasting, what's the platform, what are the days, how many of them? Compensation? You know, there's. There's like anything. There's elements to the job that make some more and less, Some more appealing and some less appealing. If those A level jobs come up, you have those conversations. Fox has been really clear and open and very positive with me about, like, they want to see me get a job, right? Like, kind of. It's like every head coach that. That has that really good coordinator, you know, if that coordinator at some point, one day earns the opportunity to be a head coach, those head coaches say, you know, the good head coaches say, we want to create an environment that we can showcase you and get you to the level that you wish to go. And that's how Fox has been to me, both publicly and behind closed doors. So I've been appreciative of that. And if those opportunities present themselves, you know, for. Obviously you would explore it no different than you would in any other industry.

[Will]

I love that. All right, now, talking football. Hold on.

[Joe]

I just want to know real quick, how long do you want to do this before? How long do you want to do this? Like, is it until retirement? Troy Nunes, he says you're doing it forever. I want to know what you think, Troy.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I mean, my. My plan right now is to, you know, I'll be 41 in March, so I'm relatively young in the TV world. I might be younger than Will. Well, how old are you guys?

[Will]

I'm 36. To relax.

[Joe]

I'm 34.

[Greg Olson]

I'm old. I'm an old podcaster. I'm a relatively young TV analyst, I guess. You know, I. I don't know if I have, like, a set number. Am I going to do this when I'm 70? Probably not, but I don't. I don't see any time soon that this is not something that I continue to pursue and continue to do because I love it. It's fun. It keeps me engaged in the game. I've learned probably more in the last five years than I did in 14 years of playing. The conversations, the access, who you get to talk to, Picking the brains of some of the best football minds in the league. I've learned and stolen information from people way smarter than me. And I think that's being able to identify who those people are and what pieces of what nuggets they're giving you that are really good, I think, is the. The key to success in a lot of ways. And that access that we get as TV analysts has been really fun in that regard.

[Will]

I love that.

[Joe]

I do love it as well.

[Will]

Don't, don't steal stuff on the Internet. They, they. People, people, people gatekeep a lot on the Internet. They do, yeah. So Greg, in your opinion, the games you've watched, because we still have Houston and Pittsburgh tonight, which team do you feel like have has the most momentum coming out of the wild card weekend? It's a great question.

[Joe]

It's a great question.

[Greg Olson]

It's a great, it's a great question. You know, I think, you know, what's so hard other than last night's game which felt like probably beginning of the fourth quarter, it felt like the Patriots had all the momentum and they weren't going to give it back.

[Will]

Yep.

[Greg Olson]

I feel like that's so outside of the Patriots who I felt like won that game handily, I had no point that I think the Chargers were going to score a touchdown, let alone two touchdowns to come back. Their offense really struggled and the Patriots defense was awesome. Your boy variable his plan on defense. The way he handled those end of game drives over the two minute warning with the substitutions and slow playing and draining clock and he really handled the end of the game. I thought he should have went for two to make it 14, but. But outside of that, I thought he really handled the end of game really well draining that clock on that last possession of the Chargers. The other games were so close. Right. Like I think you can make an argument that we could have the Panthers and Philly and the packers could just as, just as likely to be playing next weekend as the teams who won. So you know, I'm not sure if there's a clear cut favorite right now. I think Seattle sitting pretty good sitting there a week rested with teams coming to them after having the buy. I think the Rams probably for a non divisional team probably have the best path. I think they'd much rather go play Chicago coming off that win against the packers than go play a rested division rival in Seattle that they have had two big games against already. So I would say probably the Rams have the best path to the NFC Championship. The Rams and the Seahawks would be my bet. Although every time we count out 49ers and McCaffrey and Shanahan, every time we say they have nobody left and they have nobody worth a our boy, we got to pour one out for our boys.

[Will]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna bring up so hard.

[Greg Olson]

Breaking man, heartbreaking. I hate it for him. I tried FaceTime timing him this morning. He didn't answer. I get it. You know, do I see Seattle, San Francisco going to Seattle and beating them, Decimated. No, but we've also canceled, you know, called, you know, counted them out the entire season, so I guess anything's possible, but. That was a really bad answer. But I don't. I don't think there is a favorite. I would, I guess, if I had to say, it'd be the team that didn't play, and it would be Seattle.

[Joe]

See, momentum. If you're just looking at it from strictly a momentum standpoint, strictly hard to not look at the Chicago Bears and go, that team's got a lot of momentum right now.

[Will]

Based on.

[Joe]

Yeah, based on the second half being down 21.

[Greg Olson]

If there's like a. What if there's a decline because there's, like, an emotional letdown? Like, how do you quantify that?

[Joe]

Very, very real. Very real. And, like, momentum is not a foundational piece. It's something you gain after. After just, like, putting down your foundation as a team. And the Bears, as exciting as they are and how much momentum they do have, they are a team that needs momentum in order to continue their playoff run. Like, dude, have we seen a better throw in recent years in that fourth and eight by Caleb? I mean, that was the most incredible throw I've personally ever watched live and been like, oh, my God, this kid is absolutely amazing. And then to go the next play and have his feet set, perfect pocket presence, ball high and tight and deliver a ball that sails away from him, it's like, man, if he can just. When. When it's. When the pockets clean and you're just stepping into your throw like a normal quarterback, if you can. If you can acquire that skill, he be the most dangerous quarterback in the NFL.

[Greg Olson]

I can teach that. I can't teach the first one.

[Joe]

Yeah, you can't teach that. That's incredible what he did. And he put it perfectly where it needed to go.

[Greg Olson]

But we'll work on his footwork in the pocket in the off season.

[Joe]

No doubt.

[Greg Olson]

You could spend all your life. And that throw he made to his left, off the ground, both feet, dropping it over his own defender into the bucket on the biggest play of the season. There's two guys in the league that can do that. Maybe one.

[Joe]

Yeah. And literally, he hit the Jordan logo while throwing a ball like it was like it was up. It was perfect. Like, dude, it's. I have. I have become sneaky, sneaky.

[Greg Olson]

Highlight play of the weekend. I don't think enough people are talking about was McCaffrey's catch on the reverse pass.

[Joe]

I didn't see that.

[Will]

The catch on there, you're saying sneaky, athletic, the way he caught it.

[Greg Olson]

I think that catching any. You know, we're spending so much time on. On Juan Jennings and the throw and the play call, and rightfully so. The catch that McCaffrey, anyone who's ever tracked the ball over their head knows that the ball that lands on your backside ear is the hardest catch in football because it's like the Willie Mays. Right. It's like behind your helmet. Then you factor in that ball's thrown by a receiver 40 yards down the field on a rope in 35 mile an hour winds.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

That ball in the air probably moved six yards.

[Joe]

That's crazy.

[Greg Olson]

And for a running back, now, I know he's unique, but for a running back to track and catch that ball in that moment, I think people just looked at it as like, oh, my God, what a throw. What a play. Yes. There. That catch is so ridiculously hard. And I don't think people have an appreciation for how hard that was. That catch, the Caleb Williams throw. We saw some plays this weekend, Colby Parkinson's catch to win the game.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

We saw some individual plays that are like, the difficulty level is like through the roof.

[Will]

Yeah. Jaw dropping. Because even on McCaffrey's catch, too, there's that. There's that split second of being in a blind spot to where you're kind of throwing your hands at it.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And it's the hardest catch in football.

[Will]

Yeah. No, CMC is unreal. Staying on the. The Packers, Bears game. Did you see the stat that came out with, you know, in their two games, like, how many points the Bears scored in the first half? It was a total of six collectively in their two games. And in the second half is like 68. Second half in overtime. Yeah, 68 points. I mean, the fact that the packers were up 21 to 3 and then you go back, you know, when they did take the lead and then missed that extra point, it was funny because we were. You. You said like a momentum. You said something. And I replied tweeting like, packers got all. The packers got the momentum right now. And then I was like, wait, they just missed the extra point. Missing two field goals as well. Like a collective seven points they left on the field.

[Greg Olson]

Like, just should have just taken the points, though.

[Will]

Yeah. Brutal.

[Joe]

What?

[Will]

Yeah, take the points.

[Greg Olson]

Tried to take the points. I just don't know why. The points. They didn't get the points.

[Will]

I know, but a brutal way.

[Greg Olson]

Crazy.

[Will]

A brutal way to go out for the Packers.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah. And it's just. I think they're also the point differential for the fourth quarter this year. Like in the first half it was. It's, you know, minus something. And then the fourth quarter throughout the totality of the year, it's like +122.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Like it. They are. If they could just figure out a way to do that the whole game.

[Will]

The whole game.

[Joe]

Yeah, but they, they're. They're. They're too momentum based. There are two momentum based. Bears.

[Greg Olson]

Well said Bears football.

[Joe]

Well, thank you.

[Will]

I thought that call too by Ben Johnson on the last touchdown, where they come in, they go tackle over. So the tackle is set to.

[Joe]

Is this the kind of.

[Will]

No. Was it. Was it. It was like the, it was the pump screen in the fringe area. Yeah. To Loveland. To where they have the tackle over. Because they, they did it earlier in the game. To where they have more.

[Greg Olson]

No, I think they threw it to DJ Morton.

[Will]

Yeah, I thought it. Yeah, I thought it was a receiver.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, they threw like bubble. They threw like imbalance bubble.

[Will]

Pump unbalanced.

[Greg Olson]

DJ Moore was wide open for a touchdown.

[Will]

Yeah, because earlier in the game they set it up like as you guys know, they get the bubble or they get the screen out on the perimeter. Tackle screaming out. There they go, tackle over to get big boy even closer. And then they throw. They fake the perimeter and then go up the field to score a touchdown. I thought that play call was. Was incredible.

[Joe]

Yes, was peak. Based on the way you described that play. It's the same play that took place in the Bills Jaguars game when they. They did like a bubble screen. And I think it was Knox. He went to fake block and as the guy bit, he just ran up and it was right there for a touchdown.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, dude.

[Joe]

It's. Some of that.

[Greg Olson]

Coaching matters.

[Joe]

Coaching does matter.

[Greg Olson]

Look at the four teams left in the nfc. I mean, look at. I mean look at. Just look at who they are. McVeigh Shanahan, Ben Johnson, Mike McDonald.

[Will]

The best. The four best.

[Greg Olson]

Coaching matters. Quarterback matters. Play calling matters. It just matters.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

What staying on the Bears, Loveland, he has had, I think after a week.

[Greg Olson]

Six, like he's really good.

[Joe]

He's incredible. I would love to hear like your personal breakdown of Colston Loveland as a tight end end.

[Greg Olson]

I'm glad you asked. So I've always thought there's two camps of NFL tight ends and this is not a knock on anybody. This is just the reality of the position, there's two camps in the tight end world. The first camp is, well, not easy by any means. The first camp is you are going to be the product of your system in the fact that play action, you're going to catch a lot of like slam flats on bootlegs. You're going to catch play action, shallow drags and crossers and I'm just going to scheme you open couple check downs in the passing game on third down and next thing you know, you look up at the scoreboard and you got like four or five catches. I always looked around the league and said there's probably 30 guys in the league that could have had those catches. There's nothing unique about your route running. There's nothing unique about your separation skills, your leverage, your chop. There's nothing really unique other than you were in that position and the play dictates you getting the ball. The next level of guys, right, the Kelsey's and the Kittles and you know, Brock Bowers and now this next generation Colson Loveland, etc. Etc. They then can go above and beyond and they can be flexed out wide like Colson Loveland and run like a fade comeback to the front corner on a defensive back for a critical play on the left, on the front left corner of the end zone. He can run separation sail routes and pull away from safeties and track the ball in space. Like those are the guys that, that you want to find because yes, they'll catch a couple flats, they'll catch a couple easy checks, a couple OTBs. Those are, trust me, they all count. I caught a million of them. Can you go above and beyond the play call? And when it's just, hey, you got this route and it's not the perfect look and you got the wrong leverage of the defender. Can you flip that leverage? Can you separate? How do you get in and out of the breaks? How do you high point contested catches? Can you make the plays that aren't just schemed open for you? Those are the guys that are the top tier dudes and that, that's Colson Loveland. I thought that coming out of college when they drafted him. Now we can make an argument whether you draft a tight end 10 or you know, is it too high, too low? But the bottom line is the dudes a stud. And there's a handful of guys in the league that can play both elements of NFL tight end. And of all the young guys, he's one of the few God that fires.

[Will]

When you alluded to It. But the fake fade come back to the pylon. That was the two point play, correct?

[Mitch]

Yeah.

[Will]

The milk.

[Joe]

You took the milk.

[Will]

The milk check. Yeah.

[Joe]

So which is a milk on milk crime.

[Will]

Milk on milk crime. That's heavy cream.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's not.

[Will]

Yeah, it wasn't fun to watch. But the minute that Chicago lines up for a two point play and they're all condensed, you know, big formation they're on, they're in like jumbo package, whatever, and they break out into, you know, whether it's an empty look or three by one, whatever it was. And they broke out. And I saw 31, which I. People are saying that was his only defensive play of the season.

[Greg Olson]

White guy, white guy.

[Will]

31 jogs out there and I see Colson Loveland. And when it breaks out, I was sitting on my couch upstairs, my bonus room, and I just, I set up on my couch and I just go, oh, no.

[Joe]

Because, you know, 31's also in hell.

[Will]

Yeah, 31's also in hell. But nobody from the inside is also starting to fade out there. Like usually when you have some of those situations and maybe you're in cover one and man or rat, and you're going to have a guy, whether it's steal somebody underneath, whatever it is, some safeties, you might be sitting out there, like, I've been in those situations to where, hey, if it breaks out and you get this look, desean Goldston or Dante Whitner or look over, you know, in game plan, like, hey, if this happens, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to lean towards your side to help you out. When I saw that wasn't taking place in the Green Bay secondary and this dude was on his own alone, I was like, oh, this is a milk check right here. My boy's gonna get got. And he got got. And I hated.

[Greg Olson]

Every team should get in it. Every team should get an additional timeout when random white guy gets caught and covered. Here's what I'll say, though. Here's what I'll say though.

[Joe]

That's so fair.

[Greg Olson]

When I first, when I first came in the league, maybe you guys too. I think there were rules about that that don't apply anymore, right? Like there were when we came into the league. League I'll never forget, like there wasn't many, but if there was a white guy in the secondary, chances are you were going to go after him. But I think the Cooper de jeans of the world and those, I, I think maybe those days are changing.

[Will]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

Cooper De Jean, first team all pro or maybe first or second Timo pro. Like, you're not targeting that dude. What was the other thing? Riley Moss events. What's that?

[Will]

I said Riley Moss.

[Greg Olson]

So, like, yeah, maybe those rules don't necessarily apply like they did years ago. Think about every, you know, Taylor, you know, every defensive end, every white defensive end earlier in your career. What was the scouting report?

[Joe]

Gritty, hardworking effort guy. He's not going to stop. So you got to stand on the whole time. This guy, he'll second move. Right.

[Greg Olson]

He not going to run by you.

[Joe]

Not going to win.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I don't know if that's necessarily the case anymore. Right. You've had. Had Hutchinson and you got Bosa and you got all these freaking dudes that are defying that old school adage. So I don't know.

[Will]

I think.

[Greg Olson]

I think we're moving past slowly. Very, very slowly.

[Will]

We're still. We're still in the process to where there's an exception to the rule.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Will]

But the rule universally is still getting close, alive and well. Again, when I saw 31 go out there, I sat up and I was like, oh, no, it's over. Yeah, yeah, it's over.

[Joe]

And Greg, basically what you're saying is, what we've been saying for the last couple years is we might be up. White boys are kind of making a comeback in the secondary, and that's. That's massive.

[Will]

They would have had to have 31, would have had to have made it very competitive for Loveland to catch that football for it to be like we're seeing a good competitive rep.

[Joe]

But as we've already identified, that's a heavy cream play.

[Will]

Yeah, that's. That's.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, yeah, it's a white on white there. That's a tough matchup. But the point is there's very few tight ends in the league that are going to go out and run like I call those. Like, he's running real routes. Right. There's a difference between running routes and running real routes. And that was a real route. And multiple times throughout the game, he's running real routes. He's tracking the ball 20 plus yards down the field, in the air, downfield passing game like that is. There's a difference. Not all catches are the same. They all get counted the same. But anyone who watches it and knows it, they're not all equal in difficulty and equal in ability and what you need to be able to do. And oh, buddy, he's a. He's a stud now.

[Will]

Buddy, it's like, you know, you're. You're in the milk section at the grocery store. There's a difference between organic gat grass fed whole milk and the 2% or the skim milk by Prairie Farm sitting at the end. Yeah, there's just, there's levels to this.

[Joe]

There's different levels.

[Greg Olson]

Well, I'm not just saying he's good for a white guy.

[Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. But listen, right? We all know what it's like.

[Greg Olson]

When did you see the culture talent show?

[Joe]

Well, what do you, what do you do?

[Greg Olson]

You never saw his rookie talent show?

[Will]

No. No.

[Joe]

What happened?

[Greg Olson]

Did you ever see Aiden Hutchinson do Michael Jackson?

[Will]

Yes.

[Joe]

No. You're saying that. Do you actually see it? Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

You guys have any idea what I'm talking about?

[Will]

Hutch out there dancing on every commercial he's on. So I. Yeah, Hutch.

[Greg Olson]

So we got to start evaluating these guys. Like the first they should at the combine. They should have these guys get up and say, like, all right, you just got drafted. Get up in front of the team room and show me. Because Hutchinson was awesome. I think he did like Billie Jean, great. Turned out to be a great player. Colson Loveland saying some. I can't remember off the top of my head. It was excellent. Like, standing ovation, excellent. So I think the signs were there early that he was going to be a good player.

[Joe]

We've all, all three of us have been in a moment where it's. Whether it's college or high school, for me, it was college. When you come up, the culture comes up to you and be like, hey, you're pretty. X, Y and Z for a white guy. 49ers and the Eagles, man, I feel like this, the, the Eagles is a perfect segment for our, our taste of the off season because the Eagles have had ups and downs all year, and there's always been this. They'll get it figured out. They'll get it. Don't worry. They have so much talent on their roster. Look at their defense and how great they are. They got two number ones at wide receiver. They got Saquon Barkley. They had Dallas Goddard in the back, who's a top five tight end, you know, top 10 at the very least. And then they fumble the bag against a team that loses George Kittle early. Trent Williams is playing injured. They have a bunch of guys just riddled with injuries, and they fall. Is it finally time that we can just sit there and admit, hey, there was an issue taking place behind closed doors with the Eagles? Will, I'll Start with you.

[Will]

You already know my stance. I don't got to admit nothing. I sat there in his batter's box and there's a reason that every time I came out with the top five in the AFC and top five in the nfc, that Eagles barely sniffed it because it was always going to be one and done. In my head. It was always like they have an elite defense. So Fangio and what they do defensively, you know they're going to be in games. And that one, it was sitting there, the group chats are firing up and everything else to where Orlofki was like massive drive for this group chat because Jalen Hurts had the ball as a two minute drive. They were in position to go down there and win this game. But all year long you've seen what's come out of that camp as far as what's going on internally and everything else to where you knew there were things going on offensively to where this team ain't built to win the super bowl this year. They had an incredible year last year. They have a lot of great talent on that roster even this year. Like they're going to be fine in the future. But I feel like you're really, you're able to dial in more of whether it's offensive creativity. There's so many things that went on offensively for the Philadelphia Eagles that the optimism is. It's more glaring than ever because it's not like, oh, what about when we beat the Rams? Oh what about when we beat the Buccaneers? And oh, what about when we beat all these good teams that they did beat in the regular season. But I feel like anybody who's, who was diving in, which I feel like a lot of us were, but it was hard to just say this team is a pig with lipstick. This team is everything else because again, they were continuing to win games in the NFC east, which wasn't a very good division this year. Year. But the fact that they did go one and done against a Niners team who's been ridden with injuries and you lose Kittle early and you're kind of like it was a tight game. It's like, are they going to come out of this and survive this game? But the fact that they did lose, it's, it's one, it was one of those things like, yeah, this writing was on the wall basically all year long. We just had to kind of sit in the pocket because they were again, they were coming out with dub, with wins, with W's in the win column. And even though it was happening through field goal blocks and everything else, like, they're a very good roster and a very good football team. Team. But it wasn't. It was like, I'm sitting there, you know, at the end of the game, I was kind of sitting there with a smile on my face, like clumps, like, I'm surprised you're being so nice to me. This morning with the Eagles losing, I'm like, bro, it was like, it's. It was more of like, we knew this was coming. It was going to be. Just when was it going to happen? Was it going to be in the first game of the playoffs when they. If they had home games and kind of had like, maybe an easier stretch, get to the championship game. But in no part of my mind that I think this team was going to be built to win a Super bowl this year.

[Greg Olson]

Year.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. I think it's well said. I don't debate. I don't push back on anything you just said. I. The only thing I would add is I've said probably on the show a hundred times, and I'm like, I do believe you never give up on talent to some regard. Right? Because when you look at that roster and you factor in that of the 22, the dichotomy of the two teams, everything San Francisco has been through and the guys that are sitting up in suites and sitting in the press box and standing on the sideline of street clothes that are like marquee star players. And then when you look at Philadelphia, Only Lane Johnson, 21 of their 22 first game, Week 1 starters, were healthy, ready to rock in that lineup. Like, that was the healthiest, arguably the best, you know, one of the top two or three rosters in the league. And for the most part, their top line guys were all there, with the exception of Lane. So. So there's no question that's a underachievement, right? There's no question that getting knocked out by a team at, you know, losing a game at home, a team San Francisco, albeit they still got Purdy, they still got McCaffrey, they got, you know, two of the best coaches in the league and Shanahan and. And Solace. I mean, they still got stars, but that team is decimated. That defense that they played against, that they couldn't score in the second half against, was playing guys that weren't on the team three weeks ago. I mean, they're down to like linebacker, five, six. You know what? Like, like, it's remarkable what San Francisco was going to do. And at the Same time. There's no question it's an underachievement. There's going to be change. It's not going to be Sirianni. And I, I don't. I agree that he's. He should not go. I mean, he's won more than maybe anybody in history.

[Will]

And five. Like.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, so that's a non starter to me. Yeah, that's a non starter to me. But there'll be. There'll be staff changes for sure. Especially on offense.

[Joe]

Yeah, the. A lot of things that are getting me by surprise is people calling for LaFleur's job right now and.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, that's so stupid.

[Joe]

I think it's. I think it's wild to even go down that road. And who was it? Coward. He. He brought up a great point. It's like packers fans don't understand, like the last 30 years you've had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and you got two Super Bowls and one other appearance. You've been in the Super bowl three times in those 30 years and you're calling for his head already. Like they had injuries. You can make an argument. Michael Parsons plays in that game. And it's. I just think that. Trying to get rid of.

[Greg Olson]

Let me ask you this crazy to that point. Let me ask you guys this. Say today Lafleur was let go. Who becomes immediately the number one coaching candidate in this hiring cycle.

[Joe]

Immediately. 1. It's tough because Harbaugh. Harbaugh is also in there. So it's. So you don't think it's close?

[Will]

The, the offensive.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, no, no. I think it's. I'm not arguing that it's not close. I think John Harbaugh, Barbara's a phenomenal coach. I'm not debating that. You know how I feel about the guy calling the plays.

[Joe]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

I think that becomes an extra check. I think you look at, you look at Phil, just look at Philadelphia. Look, since Nick Sirianni took over, he originally called plays, gave it up to Shane Steichen. They go to the super bowl, they lose. Steichen gets hired as the head coach of Indianapolis. He brings in Brian Johnson. They have a regression. He gets fired. They bring in Kellen Moore, they have incredible success. They win the super bowl, he gets a head job. Now they promote Kevin Petullo. So since Nick Sirianni took over, he had himself. Steichen, Brian Johnson, Kellen Moore, Kevin Petullo. He's about to have his sixth offensive play. Caller.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

It's not sustainable. Nobody has lost more coaches than Sean McVay but guess who calls the plays?

[Joe]

Sean McVay.

[Greg Olson]

Every day, the only guy that's called plays for Matthew Stafford. When all these guys are leaving and all these guys are getting interviews and he's going to lose multiple guys this year, but you never lose him. So again, I'm not saying John Har is not a phenomenal coach. His track record, his record, all that speaks for itself. I'm just saying if you have success, which you plan on having, what is your answer to replacing your play caller over and over and over again?

[Will]

Right.

[Joe]

It's a phenomenal point. It really is.

[Will]

Because there's gonna. It's like you can. You can say that and then also say, yeah, you know, Coach lafleur and the staff's gonna look back at how they went about everything in the second half. Maybe it's aggressive play calling, whatever it is. But that's something that you can learn from, fix, and get better at because you still have the foundation that's there, which has been Coach Lafle Fleur.

[Joe]

Yeah. And you have a great roster. Like, your roster coming back next year is.

[Will]

Yeah. Jordan loves a beast. Like you mentioned Favre and Aaron Rodgers. Jordan Love. Jordan Love is a monster.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Will]

Like, he is good. And you. And you look at the development again, even to coach LaFleur, like, you know, fighting for Coach Wilford. But look at what happens when you lose Jordan Love for a few games. And you got Malik Willis coming in. Like, what was his reputation when he got the green band? And look how this dude performs and operates. Even when, when your superstar quarterback is.

[Joe]

Not there just to speak on Malik Willis's development. Like, I was with him his first year at the Tennessee Titans, and the dude didn't know the place. He didn't know the checks. He didn't know where. Where to go. Like. And it was very clear and obvious, which ended up having to let him go. And you see him come in now, it's like, that is a product of Matt. Yeah. Matt LaFleur.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's just. It shows how much he does for quarterbacks. And I, I love the take on the play calling because you're. You're absolutely right. It's great to have like a CEO tonight type that can handle like. Like Sirianni can clearly handle the personalities. I know him and AJ Had a little back and forth in his last game, but he handles personalities really well, which is a big thing for a head coach. But having. When people leave in your. Your. The product you put on the field doesn't change because your, your ability to take on things, that's unbelievable. That's what you want right there.

[Greg Olson]

And we, we said this about, about your boy Variable. When I called their game in Week 18 against the Dolphins. And this is just my opinion, if you gave me a magic wand and I was an owner and I got to hire my staff, my number one would go out and find you a McVeigh, a Shanahan, Liam Cohen, an offensive mind who also can communicate and lead and coach the entire locker room and not just call plays. Right. Like, I don't want a play caller as my head coach. I want a head coach who's a play caller.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

The second best option is variable. Right. Variable CEO type, highly organized, has been there before, has had success. You saw him handle the end of that game last week because he's not in the headset, having to make every single schematic call. Right. He's letting coordinators call. He's managing the game, managing the managers. The advantage that he has, especially on the offensive side of the ball, where it really matters is he has like the bounce pack. Former head coach, play caller, and Josh McDaniels. That's a very unique standpoint where Drake May is a potential MVP candidate and Josh McDaniels is most likely not going to interview for a job.

[Will]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

So if you can get like the former head coach who's kind of had his opportunities and now he's bounced back, that's Andy Reid with Steve Spagnolo. Right. For all the success that Andy Reid has had, only Matt Nagy has really gotten an opportunity to be a head coach. Unless I'm forgetting somebody.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

On the offensive side, on the off. And then Spags, who's been the architect of that defense, which I would argue is the only reason season they had that long, sustainability, because the offense started the fall. Spags got all those young defensive guys and took them back to the super bowl in year one. Spags interviews. But does anyone really think Spags is going to get a head coaching job?

[Will]

Right. Right. He could.

[Greg Olson]

So do you think that's.

[Joe]

Is it way more. Is it way more offensive than defensive, in your opinion, as far as, like, play, the calling of the plays goes?

[Greg Olson]

I just think it's easier to find defensive coaches. I think defensive coordinators and former defensive head coaches get fired more frequently and they're just available. Right. I mean, you look around the league at guys. I mean, just. Let's just look at this playoff cycle. In just this season, you got Robert Sala, he just become the 49ers defense really struggles last year, and Robert Sala becomes available. The year before that, Steve Wilkes, former head coach, was available.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

You know, you look at Vic Fangio, former head coach, was at the Dolphins. Somehow the Dolphins let him walk, and he just becomes magically available. Flores, when they. Flores, you know, it's just Jonathan Gannon now becomes, you know, he took that first year that, the. The first year that Philadelphia went to the super bowl, that they lost to Kansas City. Shane Steichen got the job in Indiana, and Jonathan Gannon, who is the D coordinator in Philly, he got the head job in Arizona. He just got fired. So he's going to be someone's D coordinator. You just go on and on and on. I think. I'm not saying defensive coordinators is easy, but Mike McDonald has had incredible success in two years, and he's about to hire his most likely Kubiak is going to get a head job. And now in two years, he's going to have. After two years, he's going to have to have three different coordinators.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right.

[Greg Olson]

Grubs. Grubs made it one year. He fired him because he didn't like it. He went back to college. Gets Clint Kubiak, who's just available because they, they. They all got canned in. In the same. In New Orleans. And he has a great year. It lasted one year.

[Joe]

He's got to go find a new guy now.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

How about Ben Johnson? He's got Dennis Allen.

[Will]

I was going to say Dennis Allen's another one.

[Greg Olson]

So you can just go on and on and on. Right. Like, there's just more of the veteran defensive guys to become coordinators than there are offensive guys. Because chances are if those guys are probably still head coaches somewhere.

[Joe]

Yeah, it is wild.

[Will]

Let me ask you, you think Josh Allen in this Buffalo Bills team is going to get over this hurdle of having to travel to Denver and face this defense?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I mean, I'd rather play Denver than. At this point, I think I'd rather play if I'm Josh. Dan. If I'm Josh Allen, I. As good as Denver's defense is, I think if I had to pick, I'd rather play Denver and Denver than New England in New England. Right. I think. I think that would. That's a better matchup. So I think them going in the divisional round to Denver, I think I'm on Buffalo. I said, all right, I can do this. I mean, am I sitting here saying they're going to guarantee, I don't know I still, I, I've said all year, I'm not giving up on Josh Allen, everybody. I don't care what the roster looks like, I don't care what their game flow looks like. The defense, do they have any weapons? They got Josh Allen and he is a generationally talented, unique, not just quarterback, just all around football player. And you, I mean you saw it clear as day yesterday.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, Josh Allen, dude, he is, he's truly one of one. Like if he's on the Jaguars roster, he, that game is, it's a blowout. It's an absolute blowout that takes place and it's. No, that's. That I feel like people that would say, oh, Trevor Lawrence, like no, I'm not trying to disrespect Trevor Lawrence. I'm trying to give massive flowers to Josh Allen. Because that's the scary thing about this Bills team is you can run on them. They have the number one pass defense, which is great, but you can run on them very easily. Their wide receiving crew is probably a bottom five wide receiving crew in the NFL. Gabe Davis just gets hurt yesterday on a hit that it seemed like he. I know this isn't allegedly, but it looks like he had another big massive knee injury injury and had to get helped off the field and then carted to the locker room. So they're decimated once again in that, in, in that position group. But Josh, dude, he has the ability at any point to put the cape on and run through anyone. He can be anybody. And this is Bo Nix's first time walking into a playoff situation regardless if it's at home or not. Like that pressure is different. You see it with Drake May a little bit with the score of that game. Like he played well, but it wasn't like, you know, throwing points on the board over and over again. So I could definitely see Josh Allen going into Denver. Yeah. And catching them in a p. In a bit of a lull. I don't know like how, how old that team is, but just knowing that their, their quarterback is in his second year in the NFL like that gives me a lot of room for pause thinking like Josh Allen really has the easiest path he has had ever to make it to the Super Bowl.

[Will]

Yeah, the. Denver's defense is for real.

[Joe]

They are for real.

[Greg Olson]

Their, their defense is for real. There's no question. And Sean Payton can coach his ass off on, on offense. Listen, I'm not saying any. You get to the divisional rounds, there's no such thing as an easy matchup. There's no such thing as a good matchup. There are some that are better than others on paper. So, yeah, I mean, I think I could go on and on about how good Josh Allen. I mean, look at what Brandon Cooks did. Brandon Cooks wasn't even on the roster a couple weeks ago and he had to play the day. He kept their season alive with that long explosive down the middle that set up the, the, the end of the game. What's crazy, you know, the tush push and all that.

[Joe]

What's crazy is that tush push you brought up like the Bills were on the side of banning the tush push last year and then they ran it for what, six, six yards?

[Will]

Yeah. That was unbelievable.

[Joe]

Unreal. To the point where like, they didn't score and I'm a thing to myself. That's really, actually a really good thing. They didn't score. They probably should took more time off the clock, but it's like, that was insane that you were able to do that just now. But also like the Jaguars and Will, you got to give Will a lot of credit because, you know, I think it was early, like middle September. He. He's like, bro, I'm telling you, the Jaguars are a sneaky team. And me and my Tennessee Titans brain is like, no, they're not. And you watch that game and we've already talked about the wide receivers, but every time the wide receivers caught the ball, they're getting tackled immediately. Open space, the first guys bringing them down. Like they are an extremely well coached football team. And I think where they lost it was getting into the past a little too much with Trevor Lawrence, who clearly was having a non momentum type of day. Like, their momentum was clearly on the run game.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Olson]

They stay fair enough.

[Will]

They stay serious.

[Greg Olson]

That defense now is serious. They're good.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Josh Allen's just a freakazoid.

[Will]

Yeah. On. Yeah. Unreal. And you know, it's like you're sitting there. We got to watch so many good games, so many lead changes, and when Jacksonville took the ball, it's like, all right, this is. This can be like a Trevor Lawrence legacy game.

[Joe]

Yep.

[Will]

And to see the ball hit the hands, get tipped up and get picked off on that first, first play, it's like heartbreaking.

[Joe]

Oh, and then everyone's gonna put that, everyone's gonna put that on Trevor Lawrence.

[Will]

What's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And they're just glad it didn't backfire on Buffalo because I think they would have taken some heat for how they handled that goal Line situation.

[Joe]

Yeah. Right. You, you take as much time off the clock as you can because they had all their timeouts, right?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So, yeah, Jacksonville had all their timeout. Well, no, Jacksonville only had. No, Jacksonville was out of timeouts.

[Joe]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

Jacksonville took their last time out on the tush push that originally was ruled a touchdown. Then they ruled correctly that he was down short of the goal line. Instead of taking a 10 second runoff, Jacksonville elected to use their final timeout. So there was like a minute and two and they were out of timeouts. And, and, and the broadcast talked about it and everyone's sitting at home. It's like, you know, you saw Variable do it a couple weeks earlier in the season. Took a knee slash, like just fall down.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

You know, on first down, Jacksonville is going to let you score.

[Joe]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

So can you take, can you just fall down and leave it and say, I got second goal, third goal, fourth and goal even at Jacksonville. Now once you run that first play and you run the play clock down now Jacksonville is going to try to have a goal line stand because their opportunity of possessing the ball now is irrelevant. Buffalo had timeouts, so they could have still run timeout and handled the end of the game. So, so fortunately for them, it didn't matter. Trying to run off another 30 seconds, 30 to 40 seconds is probably the right move, but again, we judge all of these decisions by the outcome. And when the outcome goes your way, nobody talks about the decision and that's just the nature of the business.

[Joe]

Yeah. And it's. Bro, could you imagine if they took that approach where they kind of just fall down, take 30 or 40 seconds off the clock, call a timeout and then go for it. It, you know, two, three times, don't get it and get stopped. The conversation we would be having right.

[Will]

Now, would it be the.

[Greg Olson]

That's the post game press conference, right?

[Joe]

Press conference. Yeah. And it's, that's a, that's a perfect example of like having the stones to do that. I don't think head coach is thinking that at that moment. They're probably just thinking, score.

[Will]

No.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

No, I don't think McDermott. I think McDermott seriously considered doing it. I think if again, and it's easy to sit here now and say coulda, shoulda. The part that's hard to predict is you anticipate on first down that Jacksonville is going to say, let him score. But what you don't want is say, they don't say. They blow up your center and you try to take a knee and Josh Allen Gets knocked back. And now instead of first and goal at the half yard line, it's first and goal at the yard and a half. Two say you lose a yard and a. Now you're like, holy, it's second and goal from the two and now Jacksonville hunkers down. So like I think there's always that fear in the back of your head. It's just a lot easier to say, we scored, we gave them the ball. I trust my defense. And if they go down and kick a kick a game tying field goal or God forbid, a touchdown, you stand there and say, hey man, our defense has to play better. We got to do a better job in two minute. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's an easier conversation. People are more comfortable. See, we've seen that happen a million times. Could you imagine to your point of blowing first and gold to half because you got cute? That fear is real.

[Will]

Yeah, that's a, that's a good. Like I could see that being a, A Friday, Friday tape. Friday tape. Going over certain situations because another one that I was hitting Greg on was, I want to say it was the, Was it the Niners. Niners. They were up by four. They scored and they went and kicked the extra point. And I'm like, hey, you go for two there, right? Like it was in the fourth quarter. Like, you go for two there to try and make it six instead of four because you're kind of in no man's land with four and five, four and five point lead. Try and go for two and make it six because you, number one, just in the hopes of seeing, you know, if, if the Eagles were to score, missing the extra point. But you also witnessed the Eagles missing an extra point earlier in that game. Yeah, that was one.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So that's actually a fun one. So you guys want to dive into that? Cause that's actually a fun conversation.

[Will]

Okay. Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

In that situation, the kicker had already missed an extra point. He had missed multiple extra points all season long. That specific moment, that team. Yes, I think I would have tried to go up by six instead of you score a touchdown on me. I'll hope that you yank the extra point again and at least gives me a chance. Right. If I'm up five, your kicker, you know, his kick doesn't have any real bearing on winning and losing.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

The next level to that conversation. So put that aside for a second because I agree with Will. Put that aside. The next conversation is a little bit more in depth. And this is where the argument of kicking to stay up 5 because you don't want to be up 4. Being up 5 is better than being up 4. So the guy, let's say he makes the extra break point, right? The, the notion comes down to, do you feel more comfortable getting a two point conversion or stopping a two point conversion? Right? Because when I go up five, everyone goes, well, you want to be up. The argument for kicking the extra point is, well, I want to be up five, because if I'm up four now your touchdown puts you up three. If you go down and score on me, you go up three. Now field goal touch is the game. Okay. But if, but if I, but if I'm up five and you score, you're going to go for two to try to go up three anyway. So you're either going to be up one or three.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

So do you want to defend a two point? Do you want to kick a two? Do you want to go for a two point, Defend a two point. So that one there is some layers, but there's a lot to it.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you're making the decision to just kick the extra point because it's like, hey, if we go for this two point conversion and fail and we're still only up four, their extra point puts us, puts them up three. Do we want to. Yeah, do we want to defend? We feel good about defending an extra point versus stopping them on a two point conversion.

[Greg Olson]

Correct.

[Joe]

A lot of so many layers.

[Will]

So many layers. Yeah. Another situation too. And I Green Bay into the game when they're driving and their offensive lineman goes down, down, you gotta get off the feet. You gotta get off the feet.

[Joe]

And he knows what his injury was. But unless you're dying, I remember, I.

[Will]

The carts gotta come out or you gotta be dead.

[Joe]

We were playing Tampa, we were playing Tampa one year. And William Golston, who I have a lot of history with, he like after the, at the end of play, kind of like flips me over his shoulder and elbows me in the, in the testicles and I'm like rolling around the ground and I'm, I'm, I'm not realizing. It's not, it's not competing. My brain, like, you're in four minute, you have to get up right now, now. And they blow the whistle, they come out like, no, no, I just got hit in the ball. So I, I run over to the sideline and Vrabel tore me apart about that. In team meetings to where it's like, no matter what, unless there's a bone out, you need to like not have that Clock stop at that point.

[Will]

Right, right, right.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Will]

That is like the conversation that coaches are telling you, like, you better. The stretch or something better be happening. You better be dead or.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

Some massive situation.

[Joe]

Because that 10 seconds, you got to.

[Will]

Find a way off that field.

[Joe]

I, I, you know that take and say Ro. Like, you can always play like, what could have, should have, what could have happened. It's like, I, I think there's a really strong chance the packers win that game then.

[Will]

Possibly. But they just, again, they're. They're able to. To operate a little bit with just knowing you got 10 extra seconds on the clock.

[Joe]

Yes, exactly.

[Will]

Whether or not they score. It's like every backup, everybody has to be so in tune to where if you do have a situation like that, my man's crawling off the field and they're yelling, they're cheering for him to get off on the sideline. The backup better be ready to just a sprint in. That's the entire operation of everything that, like, Variable definitely teaches and coaches. But everybody being so dialed in, in tune and prepared for a game. So that way you can manage the game to the best of your ability. Because it sucks that he got hurt, but you got to find a way to get off that field or you jog down just to survive a spot, whatever it is, you just got to find. You can't. You can't stay late. You can't stay laid up on the ground. And then when I saw him walk off, I'm like, oh, this motherfucker. That's. That's. You can't have that.

[Joe]

Can't, dude. Miami killing it. You did it. National championship.

[Greg Olson]

And you were out there for the game.

[Will]

That was fun.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I went out there just for the quick up and back, and it was. It was awesome, dude.

[Joe]

I mean, crystal ball, the whole thing. The conversation we're having a couple weeks ago about, I just can't believe that Miami, who. What? They finished third in the acc.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Has just. Just been doing it, man.

[Greg Olson]

And I literally get into the dance, bro.

[Joe]

I was on espn and Greeny looked at me, and he goes, it's two minutes left in the game. Carson Beck has the ball in his hands. They have to score to win a touchdown. What happens? And I go, Ole Miss will go to the national championship if that is happening. I basically kind of just throw Carson. Carson Beck under the bus, only to see him do that exact. Yeah. Situation and put it in my face. Face, bro.

[Will]

Dotted around. Because it was. It was the perfect. I want to say maybe there was Three minutes left. Because me, JP and Clump are sitting up there. I'm like, this is Carson. Beck's got the ball. This is what we went over is essentially what we went over. Get up earlier that day.

[Joe]

Earlier that day.

[Greg Olson]

And I'm happy for him, man. It's. It's been a fun ride and I hope they can pull it off. One more.

[Joe]

You going to the last one?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. We're going to take the family down. We're going to. Let's go down there and ride it.

[Will]

Did you tell Crystal Ball? You just tell him. Don't upload anything to the clock Loud. Have you been seeing that?

[Joe]

No.

[Greg Olson]

What does that mean?

[Will]

There's. There's like, whispers and rumors and allegedly that Indiana has, like, an advanced Connor Stallions operation going on.

[Greg Olson]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, I thought you were talking about something different.

[Greg Olson]

My kids told me about that. I don't buy it.

[Will]

It's like. It's like hacking into comms, a lot of things. Like stuff to upload with the cloud. Like, there's a lot. There's a. Conspiracies and people are tying it. Mark Cuban, he's an owner of Catapult, the GPS system that basically the majority of teams use. And when that data gets uploaded, a lot of stuff going on.

[Joe]

That would be tough.

[Greg Olson]

I don't know. I'm staying.

[Will]

I'm not saying it's truth. I'm not saying it's true.

[Greg Olson]

I'm staying out of that. All right.

[Joe]

What do you think Miami's chances are? Like, are you right now the line is, I think, seven and a half. Indiana's favored by seven and a half points the last time I looked at it.

[Will]

How do you.

[Greg Olson]

How do you feel we got all the momentum.

[Joe]

I don't think you do. Momentum is.

[Will]

Did you see that ass whooping? Big Nettie put on all the momentum.

[Greg Olson]

We got all the momentum, boys.

[Joe]

It's. Oh, it's eight and a half favorite now. So Indiana's gone to eight and a half.

[Greg Olson]

Even better. Is it now they're going to lose their momentum because they're getting high on themselves.

[Will]

Yeah, they're flying a little too close to the sun like the Rams almost did against Carolina. All right, Greg, you're the man, bro. Thank you for tapping around.

[Greg Olson]

All right, man, I'll talk to you guys. Talk to you next week.

[Will]

All right.

[Joe]

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[Will]

Love you.

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[Joe]

Yeah, I've seen it. But he didn't say it back.

[Will]

I know but did you see it? Have you seen it?

[Joe]

I saw Carson Beck.

[Will]

Have you guys been seeing it? Well, stuff coming out with not coming out like it's truth but the stuff.

[Joe]

That'S going we were texting about that, weren't we? On Saturday.

[Will]

Saturday, yeah.

[Joe]

I did see like, I think it was Friday or something like that. Like I saw like a, an account that I, I, it was like, Indian has an advanced scouting Connor Stallion's kind of taking place. And I went to the account and the account had like three and a half thousand followers. And I was like, ah, this to me isn't enough.

[Will]

There's more accounts, but I will say whispers have been there, but more underground. This was the first weekend to where I feel like profile. Like people out there are talking about it in a loud, louder, with a louder voice. And again, I have no clue. I'm not. Because I've loved the fantasy about like talking with all the Indiana fans, seeing what they've done, how they flipped and turned the program around and potentially staring at a 160 season. I think we sleep on the fact that we might not witness a 160 potential season with, with the parody and everything coming to college football. So the history that Indian is making. I, I've loved the story, I've loved everything else, but it's hard. You see everybody going back and forth. Miami, me. Now you're picking it up because again, you got all the banter, all the fandom kind of arguing back and forth and debating articles being written out, defending it. So you just see the noise getting louder, the noise is growing where people.

[Joe]

Are already figuring out a way to put an asterisk on Indiana's one national.

[Will]

Already trying to already.

[Joe]

And dude, if you're just sitting back as a fan and people are really breaking down that Indiana, when Kurt Cnati took over Indiana football was a losing US football program in D1 history. History ever. And he has lost two games in his career, in his career as a head coach. Like, if they win this national championship, there's already an argument in my mind to be like, is Kurt Signetti the greatest head coach of all time? And that includes Nick Saban. That there's. Dude, just think about it. Like Nick Saban. Nick Saban, he was the best champion of the moment.

[Will]

Easy.

[Joe]

I know this is, this is. And I will. That's a perfect thing. This is a prisoner of the moment type of thought process. But just stick with me here and whoever's watching and listening, you can comment your opinions. This is just the avenue I go down. Is Nick Saban. He was at lsu, right? He wins a national championship, goes to Miami, comes back. He doesn't. He goes to Alabama, which is always got great players. Always. They have four or five star guys Indiana, the stat you brought up in ESPN is incredible to where these schools have like 60 something blue chip players that are four and five star guys. Indiana doesn't have any five stars and they have seven four stars and they're the, they don't make mistakes. They know every situation perfectly. They have a quarterback that was as like a, like a two star, three star coming out of high school. He's a surgeon. And it's just there's no way to look at this and look at the roster talent and be like oh, Kurt Signetti, like he might be the greatest of all time, he might be the goat.

[Will]

I think that's where it separates because I would die on this hill that this is the greatest coaching job we've ever seen. Like a turnaround season, stuff like that. But the separation would be the sustainability and longevity. I mean Saban, seven college football national championships. Like they started winning those natties at Alabama when he was there. Like starting in 09, you got 09, 2011, 12, 15, 17, 20. The sustainability and culture and everything that he built. Like there was a, there's a legacy factor that he has there. Like the legacy. Right Now Indiana finishes 16 0. The legacy is going to be statue like I'm sure there'll be a movie about this one day because it is unreal. Again when we're talking to these Indiana fans, the gratitude and just they're so hyped to be there just to cheer on their team. They travel very well and all of them across the board is just, just that it's unreal to them. One guy was like, it's like a dream on top of a dream. It's like a dream beyond a dream.

[Joe]

Oh, he's inception.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah. And the way his eyes are moving around as he's trying to explain it. I'm like having conversations with fans and they're just, they're all so nice and so appreciative and just so fired up that this has happened with their school. Like it's, it's unprecedented what Chris Ignetti has done at Indiana for. In these first two years.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

So for him to be like the goat of college football.

[Joe]

I love the framing of this might be the best. What you say, coach.

[Will]

Yeah. The greatest coaching job we've ever seen.

[Joe]

Greatest coaching job we've ever seen. And that is I think already done.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Regardless of the outcome of this, for sure.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I feel you to go from the worst to arguably the best.

[Will]

And again the last thing, anything that they want of substance was 1945. Yeah. And when we were talking about on ESPN, it's like since 2000 they've had 20 or 21 losing season. It is incredible what this team and.

[Joe]

The thing that I, I saw, I saw was it Josh Pay. He's saying that Indiana has the nicest fan base of all time. You, you telling that story just now and it's like these fans truly are living in a world of gratitude where like we're just so happy to be here as opposed to maybe some other fan bases that have been, you know, we, we should, we need to be in this position. That's kind of program we are. I wonder how long this success needs to be sustained for the fan base to change to be like, yeah, yeah, this is what we do.

[Will]

You know, they have a four loss season. Like I think we need a Can Signetti dude. I think he's lost his juice.

[Joe]

It'd be, it would be crazy to see because I really feel like this fan base, I'm so happy that they're getting to feel this moment because I'm sure if you're like, if you're born into being an Indiana Hoosiers fan, you're probably given a certificate being like, hey, this is a good therapist you could possibly have. Trust me, it's not going to go well. But this is your, this is your. And now you get to live in it, which is just mind blowing to me.

[Will]

And again, like in America, football is the most popular sport. Like just imagine being like generations. A dude was wearing a bracelet talking about how it was his dad's and how much he just loved football and Indiana football even though they were no good. And he's now wearing it because it's like a generational thing. And the thought of like, I'm here because I know he'd want me to come to this game. Like the most popular sport in America and, and for all, all you've ever known, your grandparents, everybody, all you've never known is, man, we'll never get to like sniff success. The way we see all these fan bases have fun to now it being a spot to like, hey family, pack your bags. We are going down to Atlanta to watch us in the, in the semifinals of the College Football Playoff. Somewhat now it's like we're going to, we're going to this national title. Like this is. Who knows how long this will last. This is insane. The feeling we get to have rooting on this football team. Yeah.

[Mitch]

Some would argue before Indiana has gone on this run, the biggest, biggest thing In Indian in Indiana is the Brickyard 400 or the Indy car race that happens there.

[Joe]

I mean their basketball team has been.

[Will]

All, they got the movie Hoosiers.

[Mitch]

But like still like that's, that was the biggest thing that everybody in Indiana would look forward to. Now it's like they have a football team.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

They got a ball club.

[Will]

It's incredible.

[Joe]

A ball club that like I, I, I, I'm trying like Miami has things that could definitely equalize the game. Game. But I don't see a lot of avenues for Miami to win this game, like outright win. It is so rare for a situation like this for these Indiana fans, for.

[Will]

This program to not only have this turnaround, but to also not be the sweetheart in the situation. They are beating people's asses like they're the big dog walking.

[Joe]

And Signetti goes, we don't just beat top 25 teams. We beat this, we beat their ass or something like that. Like, like he is calling shots. The Google me. The.

[Will]

Well, that shot, that shot was called I think before they got whooped by Notre Dame last year.

[Joe]

Yeah. Which is funny. And then so. Yeah.

[Will]

Because so many tweeted to play it.

[Joe]

Someone tweeted that like never wrong, just early. Because now they've had like five top 10 teams that they've just mowed down over and over. So yeah, it's, it's, it's wild to see. And Kurt Signetti is the perfect guy that if you're not a fan of just watching the storyline, he's the perfect guy for you to hate.

[Will]

Yeah, he's perfect.

[Joe]

It's be gonna got, you've got, you've got his antics and notions and sound bites along with Fernando Mendoza's like unquestionably jovial, exciting. Like just you just tell. He's just so happy to be there. And it's funny, man. I've never heard the Heisman be called a team award before. I've never heard the MVP be called a team award before. Fernando Mendoza hit that three or four times in his, in his Heisman speech. Now Drake May and Matthew Stafford, I've both, both heard them recognize the MVP as a team award. And I've, and I could be totally off on this. I've never heard that before. To where it's like this kid's really just making it all by the time. This kid is really what football should totally be about.

[Will]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

And that's the shit that juices you up a little bit.

[Will]

I know Miami's gonna obviously have an uphill battle they're eight and a half point underdogs. Gonna have to be a fiscal game. Like, if they got him anywhere, it's at the line of scrimmage. I'm between Bane and Mezador. And then on the offensive line, these size, bro, like, getting to watch and see. And we were up.

[Joe]

Yeah, tell me about that.

[Will]

In a suite. Like, we got to see him warming up pregame and everything else, but even up in a suite and I'm sitting down there and it's the left tackle. I forget his number. Maybe number 70. I'm just like, look for Oregon size. No, no, Miami.

[Mitch]

You know, like Maui. Maui, Yaga.

[Joe]

Yeah, he's. He's gonna be a first round pick. He's like a top 10.

[Will]

Are you talking about Oregon?

[Mitch]

No, I'm talking about Miami.

[Joe]

Isaiah.

[Will]

There's like a. They have like a first rounder guy that's number 61. But just the size and the beef of this Miami football team is wild to see in person. I don't know if the whites that are making up the white jerseys, the unis making them look mad massive, but like, this is a massive football team. And they just. They obviously have the skill, they have talent across the board, but what they have up front. And that defense plays salty now. Salty, bro. They will have to go up against Indiana, who has been surgical on both offense and defense. They are physical. I remember it's like they were talking about them going out to Oregon the first game. The defensive coordinators on Twitter responding back to people talking about how they're undersized and this, that, the other. Like, that's a physical team who plays very well with their eyes. They're always insane, insanely prepared. Before that Oregon game, they. That red zone defense only had only allowed 23 attempts in their red zone across the entire season. Their offense got in the red zone like 68 times, but they only allowed 23 attempts in their red zone and only allowed from those 23 attempts, six touchdowns. There hadn't been a team outside of like two games where they allowed more than one touchdown. Oregon got one or two there late in the game when the game was already done and over. Over. But the defense for Indiana is for real. Mendoza is a surgeon. They run the ball well, bro. That running back, I'm forgetting his name. Number eight.

[Mitch]

Oh, black.

[Will]

Yeah. Running behind that line of scrimmage. They push piles. He finds lanes like they are physical. They celebrate hard. They just seem like they have the most fun that they know. They're out there whooping. Team's asses. And Mendoza puts the ball in perfect windows, bro, in perfect spots.

[Joe]

Hey, how about the back shoulder throws?

[Will]

I was talking, bro. Every time I said, I'm like, there's that back. Throw it to number 13.

[Joe]

Yes. When I was watching the film before we did ESPN and talk about it, I'm watching. I'm like, I have to talk to you because I have no idea how you defend that play.

[Will]

How if you're in one on one.

[Joe]

And you're in press coverage and you get a corner to turn his shoulders to the opposite side to his backs to the quarterback. There's no way to defend that play, bro. And Fernando puts the ball in the perfect spot every time. And I'm watching from Vegas. I'm just sitting there but being like, I, I hope Will's like seeing this in real time because I, I was very vocal about it.

[Will]

Like, this is the way popping up every, every time. It's like, there it goes again. And it can be well contested. Sarat just has, he has incredibly strong hands, bro. Like, the dude still comes down with it. It's. It's so impressive.

[Mitch]

Sarat's from Saint. He transferred to jmu. He's from Saint Francis, which is a school in Philly. They are declassifying from D1 to D3. That's how kind of bad that they are.

[Will]

Star.

[Mitch]

He transferred from there to I think JMU and then came with Signetti to Indiana. So he was like a D1 double A guy and now is just routing up five stars, dude.

[Joe]

And they, they have the ability like, like, is it Omar Cooper? Yeah, like that kid. Also, like, they. When you talk about the game of momentum, like a lot of these cats, if they were to be at a JMU still or other schools, like, like not having this sustained success, the confidence you got to where Sarat knows every time I run this go, this back shoulder, go ball, he believes in his heart of heart he's going to catch it every single time. And that to me really means something is to have a player with confidence, AKA momentum that we joke about with Greg all the time. Like, it's, it's so beautiful to see. And bro, did you see the clip? You were at the game, but did you see the clip of the defensive end for Indiana putting that move on Isaiah World? Yeah, it.

[Mitch]

Oh, my God.

[Joe]

Inside move. Isaiah does a great job taking it, taking, taking over. Then he goes back to the outside and when Isaiah World turns, his shoulders spin back in and it's like Kevin Hart's comedy special when he Talks about Shaq falling on the ground during basketball games. It is literally. He's like, oh, no. And literally falls, hits his back, and lays on his back for a second. Even the way he gets up, I'm like, is he hurt?

[Mitch]

Yes.

[Joe]

Like, it is. It was like, it's a great athletic play by that kid, but you can tell, like, he knows what he's doing from a rush standpoint. Like, he. You can see he's like, his shoulders are turned now. This is when I make the counter, the second counter move back to the inside. And I'm watching it like, my heart obviously goes out to Isaiah. Like, he's, you know, he's a homie, but that's one of those plays you look at and you're like, he just got you, buddy. And that is a. That's just. It's. It was surgical, bro. What that dude was able to do, it was truly surgical. Rod. I'm like, yeah, I don't see a flaw anywhere. And it's crazy to see Miami's got.

[Will]

To play a clean game, too. I feel like the. The whole, like, the bad boy mantra, everything out. They had some bad penalties and they got. They got Miami.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Will]

Got saved with one where they ended up pushing Chambliss out of bounds. Should have been a roughing, but, yeah.

[Joe]

That kid ended up smoking his head on the. On the bench because they had the little.

[Will]

Little.

[Joe]

The shade covers, and I saw it in real time. Like, God damn, that kid got up for a second.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I really was hoping Trinidad would pull it out of his ass at the end. Man, they came close.

[Will]

I mean, that. That was a pass interference at the end of the game. Clearly.

[Joe]

Clearly a pass interference. Like, I was sitting there, too. Like, this would be so great to have this on. Just be on the Ole Miss bandwagon, because I. I really was. But, ma'.

[Will]

Am.

[Joe]

Yeah, everything was going exactly how it needed to go for Ole Miss to take care of that guy.

[Will]

That game four lead changes in the fourth quarter.

[Joe]

Crazy.

[Will]

Like, dude, it was nuts, man. And I like, yeah. As much as I'm like, dude, how are they allowing Ole Miss to just be in the position to throw a Hail Mary like this? I would have loved to have seen another play. Yeah, because it's what, a 15 yard penalty?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Will]

Seen another play.

[Joe]

Just nuts. And then two days later, Trinidad Chambliss's appeal to be half a six year gets denied day after the day after year. And that just sucks, man, for him to say, I'm coming back all this. You're like, how awesome is that? And then he gets cut. You're like, hey, man, sorry about that. You're not going to ask. Championship. And also, you're done playing college football. It's like, what the. Yeah. See you, bud. That sucks, man. That sucks. I have this tear talk loaded up for you guys.

[Will]

Should we hit some tear talks question.

[Mitch]

Before we go into the tear talk?

[Will]

Yeah, tear talk for Mitch Carsley. Hashtag tear talk.

[Mitch]

Have you all. Have you guys seen this stuff? Stuff surrounding the 49ers in their practice facility?

[Will]

Yes, bro.

[Joe]

It was in the group chat last night.

[Mitch]

I sent it in. It is something to seriously think about. Again, I'm not like a electro whatever, physicist.

[Greg Olson]

All good.

[Will]

We know. We aren't either.

[Joe]

Right? But, like, you know my background.

[Mitch]

It is something. It is like the studies and that's been on. It's like, yo, if you actually think about it, where Niners are known as being the most injured team, it's all of these soft tissue, tendon, like, injuries. Like, if this is a real, like, thing, what the are we doing, bro?

[Joe]

I mean, it is real. I like, like, to me, to. To me, when I see that, I'm like, man, that sucks. And I hope they have, like, some progressive thinking, healthc care physicians on that team to where they make a big deal out of it. To ownership. Yeah. Because when I. When I look at it, like, with the EMFs and the 5G, all that stuff, stuff, like, I'm a firm believer in, like, you got to get as much of that off of you as possible. I think it really does mess up all sorts of things.

[Mitch]

That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know exactly what it does to you or what exactly happens, but, like, that's why I'm saying if it is a real thing and like, the science and which it seems like it does back it up, it's like, you guys need to figure it out, right?

[Will]

We don't know enough about it, but we know it's 100% fact.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Like, if you're like, hey, Taylor will break this down for us. We'd be like, really? We don't have the time.

[Will]

We'd be like, it is. Check out this Twitter thread.

[Joe]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But, dude, there. There is a real thing about, like, grounding and having, like, I don't know if it's like, magnetic stuff in your body. Excuse. I'm just gonna sound stupid.

[Will]

It's all good. Hey, we just know it's 100 fact.

[Joe]

Yeah, we just know it's a fact. You're right. Yeah. We're not gonna break down, but let.

[Will]

Me try to break it down.

[Joe]

Only to be like, we shouldn't break it down.

[Mitch]

I saw a tweet of the old long snapper for the Niners, like from years ago. His name, like tabor. Something else. He's like, look at the trees on the side of where the Electro plan is. And then look at the trees across the street. The trees where the Electro plan is. No leaves. Everything's dead. The trees right across the street, full of leaves. It's like, yo, there's something happening right now. I'm not a scientist or whatever, but.

[Will]

It'S like, hey, with the picture example. Right in front of our eyes.

[Mitch]

Yes.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

Right in front of our faces.

[Joe]

You can literally see which tree is happier. It's like that one. And it's like, if that one's that fucked up and the thing right next to. Is what we're talking about. Yeah. Fact. All I needed to see was the.

[Will]

Electrical engineer with the EMF reader. Yeah. Sitting out there outside.

[Greg Olson]

Yes. 2.3 is like, hey, that's Max on.

[Will]

This reading that a human should be around 2.3.

[Joe]

Three of whatever the signal is.

[Will]

You don't want any more than that.

[Greg Olson]

And then he's on the practice field.

[Will]

And it's like 8.4, 8.7. 8 point. I'm like, okay, that's real.

[Joe]

That's evidence.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Mitch]

That.

[Joe]

That's not safe regardless. Because it has been the last three years, man. It's always been these crazy injuries. Who's the linebacker in the Super Bowl?

[Mitch]

Dre Greenlaw.

[Joe]

Dre Greenlaw. Just. Yeah. Achilles, obviously, George, yesterday. But Trent had this soft. Tish. Everybody's been hurt.

[Mitch]

CMC with his Achilles Y, bro.

[Joe]

That is a good one, too. That is a good one.

[Will]

Something like, something to think about.

[Mitch]

All of the ACLs and stuff that's happened out there. Like.

[Joe]

Well, Brock Purdy. It was a. That was a con. That was a contact injury, though. But either way, weaker.

[Will]

Could have been weaker.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good. That's a good.

[Will]

It's not like it has to happen in San Francisco at a home game. This is like these dudes are practicing on this field every day. Every day they're at this facility every day.

[Greg Olson]

Day.

[Will]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Like, where do. If you're in San Francisco? Silicon Valley. Tech. You know, the tech mecca of our. Our universe in the United States. Like, where do you go if you're going to move? If you're Going to be very serious about this and you're looking at as ownership for San Francisco. Where do you go?

[Will]

I don't know. I think that's a good call.

[Joe]

Get like a giant Aris tag and drape it over.

[Will]

Yeah, just put t. Put those tags just literally all around the building.

[Mitch]

Just move your practice facility. I mean, that's a billion dollar team. Like, just move it.

[Joe]

That's a hundred million dollar move.

[Mitch]

I think they are a billion dollar team. So that's 10.

[Joe]

We're talking about 10% now.

[Mitch]

Yeah, but I mean, you can.

[Joe]

There's got.

[Will]

There's got to be something. You got to come with a solution. Yeah, you got to come with the solution. Can't just say these billionaires got to do this solution.

[Mitch]

But like, I feel like if you are ownership and you see this, like, oh, you're not gonna, like, your team is seriously suffering because of said problem.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

But if you don't want to hurt your bottom line, which they, which with.

[Mitch]

The, which the teams and like owners and people don't necessarily. They. They care about that more than, I guess you could say the health.

[Will]

Right. They care about the bottom line more. So it's much easier to be like, find a new training staff. Like, clearly these guys are getting hurt or strength staff training stuff. They, you know, you just, you blame something that would be.

[Joe]

Be cheaper or find people that aren't on this podcast that are like, this is 100 true. People can be like, that's 100 false.

[Will]

We need Huberman to break this down. We need Huberman.

[Joe]

Yeah, that's what we need is Hubie.

[Mitch]

Just hit up Breca.

[Will]

You need Breca.

[Joe]

We only need that red light. His wife DM me the other day asking about UFC stuff, and I'm like.

[Will]

Hey, where's that red light?

[Joe]

Should I say anything about the red light band? I probably won't. Just for time purposes.

[Greg Olson]

We could just do one tier talk this week. This, this one. We can read it out.

[Will]

But I thought it'd be fun to.

[Joe]

Pose the question to you guys.

[Will]

If you could only pick two teams.

[Joe]

To make the playoff next year, who.

[Will]

Would your two teams be?

[Joe]

You want to read it?

[Will]

Okay, here we go. We got one from Jono Steel. Jono Steel on X. Only two of the 12 teams that made it to the playoffs will make it again next year. Hashtag tear talk. Would love to know what two teams he's thinking of about. But if you only got to pick two teams this year's playoff, would you just easy cop out? Indiana, Miami.

[Joe]

See I don't know. I mean, yeah, that's easy. Cop out. No doubt. What about jmu? Seems like they have the easiest path every year. They have a guaranteed spot in there.

[Mitch]

They lost, they lost it. Like they lost all of their stats.

[Joe]

They always do. Do they always do? Jmu? Always. And they lost their entire roster this year. They're going to be good again. I, I honestly, that's a clean, I'll say.

[Will]

Miami and Texas Tech.

[Joe]

I like Texas Tech. I'm not going Miami with you. I mean, do they have a quarterback?

[Will]

That's what I'm saying. You got Texas Tech. They're number one on the portal right now. Like Miami is going to be really good in the portal. Miami is by far the best team in the acc. Like it's, it's not even close. And Texas Tech is kind of operating that same capacity because you look at these other teams, the conferences that they're in, the SEC in, the Big Ten, you kind of see the parody that will be there next year and the college football season. I feel like Texas Tech's just going to reload. Miami's going to reload. They're by far and above the better, the best teams right now in their respective conferences.

[Joe]

Texas Tech does it. They have the number three transfer portal class as of right now. SB just transferred. SBE's at dog and I, yeah, I, I agree with you in that the Big 12 and the ACC are the, the lesser of the two, the lesser than SEC, Big 10. So yeah, I like that take because Miami, you say Miami, I'm thinking, yeah, but they haven't been back in forever, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's like it is a 12 team playoff and I think they clearly realize that like we made it harder on ourselves than we have to be by losing to SMU in Louisville. Like next year they're going to go in. My biggest question mark for Miami is who's your quarterback next year?

[Mitch]

Who are they going to have? They're losing almost like a lot of.

[Joe]

People I haven't seen a whole lot like I hope a Miami fans watching this right now being like, because I'm not familiar with what their transfer portal looks like right now. So if somebody in the comments can let me know, that'd be awesome. Awesome. Because it seems like those are the two clearest passion. Also, do we keep forgetting in the ACC who's run, who's run that for 12 years? And that's Clemson.

[Mitch]

They're, they're losing. They don't have a quarterback.

[Joe]

Yeah, but I Think it's so easy for us to like, oh, Clemson had a bad year when they had expectations to like win the acc, probably be in the position Miami's in right now to be like, okay, they're done. And it's like dabo. Regardless of what you know, JP's biases flood onto us. Us. He's a good coach. And so there, there is that. Like there's Miami and then also Florida State and there's also Clemson. So you don't know.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

But I think, I think Texas Tech for sure. I love the idea. Texas Tech.

[Will]

Source beats.

[Joe]

Source beats.

[Will]

Let's hit another one. You want to hit another one? Just hit another.

[Joe]

I gotta pee real bad, but yeah.

[Will]

Okay. So Dr. Boozler's Indiana story. The best story in all of sports. If they win, I'm thinking so. Hashtag tear talk. I feel like we broke that down. I be fully on board with Dr. With Dr. Boozler.

[Joe]

Yeah. I think a documentary comes out immediately followed by a major motion picture.

[Will]

Dr. Steve here. Who is Matt Ryan going to select as the next head coach for the Atlanta Falcons? Hashtag to your Talk. This is RSD4444 on X.

[Greg Olson]

Not a real doctor in parentheses.

[Joe]

Not a real doctor. Not a real doctor. More of a dentist.

[Will]

Yeah, I don't know. I don't keep up in this.

[Joe]

I'm not savvy in the NFL head coach market. I know that Harbaugh is in there and if Lafleur goes in, apparently he's number one now. Yeah, that's what.

[Will]

I don't have a full pulse on.

[Joe]

The coaching care because I know Matt Nagy's getting a lot of looks. Kevin, Kevin Stefanski, John Harbor, Arthur Smith is in that. Robert Sala. Everyone seems like he's gonna get another shot at it. Kubia, like, there's a lot of great names out there.

[Will]

Go get Kubiak.

[Joe]

Go get Kubiak. Well, are you. If you're Kubiak and you're an offensive minded coach, do you want to go take the Atlanta Falcons job with Fair?

[Will]

Yeah.

[Joe]

You can't put together two good knees between your two quarterbacks.

[Will]

Yeah, that's very fair.

[Joe]

No disrespect to the boys. Like, there's just been a lot of injuries. There's been rumors.

[Greg Olson]

I don't know if y' all heard.

[Will]

Anything about Kirby Smart wanting to maybe flirt with the NFL.

[Joe]

Yeah, I see. I saw Ryan Day, Kirby Smart and also Sarko are all like, very interested in the NFL because there's. I'm big on the Twitter spaces. My Michigan Twitter spaces right now. And the lore behind it is like something's going on behind closed doors at Ohio State. And someone tweeted that and then pulled a like from a couple of Ohio State players. Liking that tweet, which is adding to the. The allegedness of Ryan Day, head of the head of the NFL. I obviously want to beat Ohio State's ass every single year. I think it is a catastrophic move for Ryan Day. I think he could be successful in the NFL. But I think, bro, like, you're going to be on a top five program every year. Like, you guys, you guys have money. You have the recruiting classes. Wide receivers think wide receiver you like. Grass isn't always greener.

[Mitch]

I don't know what the. The pay scale is for coaches in the NFL, but I feel like you can make a ton more money as a coach in college because I feel like. I think Kirby Day and like, I think Stark, they may be close to, like, that. Tens of millions per year.

[Joe]

They're both. I think they're both above 12. I could see all three above 12.

[Mitch]

I feel like that's way more money than you'd be making as an NFL coach. I don't know. I could be wrong.

[Joe]

I don't know either. I really don't.

[Will]

Yeah. I just feel like the ambition. I could see that from Coach Day. Like, he's a younger guy in the game.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

Like, isn't Ohio State his first, like, head coaching job?

[Joe]

He was. He was there. I think he was at New Hampshire for a minute.

[Mitch]

I don't know if he was ever.

[Joe]

Yeah, but he. He came over and Urban Meyer, he was like head coach in waiting with Urban Meyer.

[Will]

Yeah. Ohio State's been his big, you know, it's been his big job.

[Joe]

Right.

[Will]

As far as his own journey and everything else. I could see him wanting to jump to the NFL and.

[Joe]

But to go off of those three names. Kirby Smart, Ryan Day and Sark, the three names that I've heard that you were just talking about. I think if anyone is going to try to take that step, Sarcastic Sark, totally 100. He's the guy. Kirby, like, bro, you're gonna have a statue. Ryan, you're gonna have a statue. Like, you guys have got that. Sark is still in the. He always has great teams and he's always. He's. I think he's a phenomenal head coach, but he hasn't won the national championship. There's box. He hasn't checked that. These two guys have. It's like, bro, don't try to be a guy that does everything. I, I would, I would sit with them in a room, be like, you don't need to do all this. Like this is the perfect world for you to stay in because you could be in the arguments with the Kurt Signetti's and the Nick Sabins.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a tear talk right here. Andrew Douglas at Dougie24 24. 2019 LSU vs 2025 Indiana. Who are you taking and why? I will say I think it's a little bizarre thinking that this Indiana football team is the greatest football team of all time.

[Joe]

Have you seen the win by point differential? Yeah, Indiana has more, he has a higher point differential win than the 2019 LSU.

[Mitch]

Indiana's average win win is like 31 points and I think LSU's was like 26.

[Joe]

Yeah, like something like that. Like there are that we now have enough of a sample size because it was also, hey, LSU beat five top 10 teams, blah, blah, blah, blah to even that championship. And now Indiana has also done that. And in this world we live in, anybody who wins a national championship will be five top 10 teams. You know, and the 2019 LSU team.

[Will]

I think the only metric that really.

[Joe]

Brought down their average on that was the Texas game.

[Will]

Game, their season opener where they won by like two points. Yeah, I mean, bro, we're talking Joe Burrow.

[Joe]

I know.

[Will]

Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson.

[Joe]

This, this, this question last week was not near as interesting to me as it is this week. And I'm sure based on what I think how the national championship is going to go, it's going to get a lot more interesting at the end of this week.

[Mitch]

No, the teams that, or the end of next week, the teams that, that LSU team played like their, their game against Alabama, like you look at that game, I think they're, there's 20 NFL starters who played in that game. Like playing in the SEC back then before the Big Ten has taken over.

[Joe]

These last couple of years before now.

[Mitch]

I think is, I think it's not, it's not apples to apples, dude.

[Joe]

I don't, I don't disagree with you, but when you use the argument of this Alabama team had this many drafted guys, that's where I fall back on if I'm going to fight for Indiana. It's like, well, we have to see how many Alabama guys that they just beat by their biggest loss since 2001, whatever. How many of those guys get drafted.

[Mitch]

You know, because Indiana's playing like Purdue. They're Playing Maryland. They're playing.

[Will]

Whoa.

[Mitch]

You're. We're all on the same. We're on the same boat.

[Will]

Yeah, but I wouldn't use Indiana and Maryland.

[Joe]

You guys speak for yourselves. I'm not in the same boat as you guys. I do think Big Ten, it's like, hard. Stop. They're the best conference.

[Mitch]

Yeah.

[Joe]

But I'm saying if they win the national championship again.

[Will]

3.

[Joe]

The last three national championships have all been Big Ten, and they've all been by different teams. I wonder what the stat on that is. And I know, like, the little. Little biasness. I'm just saying, like, that is clearly, to me, like, right now, Big Ten runs college football to where I think so much so that next year we see the top 25, we'll start to shift that a little bit. Because the reason why people are so heavy on the SEC is like, look how many top 25 teams we have preseason. And it's like, okay, but, you know, when it all kind of ends up. Up, it's like, these teams should have been weight rated higher.

[Will]

I'm just saying. Mitch, trying to talk about the lack of opponent that Indiana's playing, I think is you don't use Purdue, Maryland, like, in the quarterfinals last week, Indiana was the only squad that had beaten three teams currently left in the quarterfinal between Ohio State, which was the best team in the country, beat them in the Big Ten championship. Obviously, Miami just beat him. Oregon twice. Killed Oregon the second time.

[Mitch]

I'm more so saying for the. The point differential part.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Mitch]

I'm not like. I'm just saying.

[Will]

Okay, I see what you're saying.

[Mitch]

That's. What I'm saying is like, that. That point differential could be so high because they're beating Purdue 56 to 3.

[Will]

No.

[Mitch]

Type thing.

[Will]

Yeah, I'm. I'm just. I guess the seat that I'm sitting in right now, I'm not trying to already, like, crown them in such a way to where we met. We're making all these hypothetical arguments to where I'm almost, like, trying to tear down or go against what Indiana is doing. You know what I mean? Because I'm. I'm enjoying watching their season.

[Joe]

Right? Yeah.

[Will]

Like, when the guy's like, who's winning? I'm thinking in my head, like, I'm. It's 2019 LSU. Oh, that's crazy. You want to hate on this Indiana team.

[Joe]

No, I don't think you're there. I think that we need to see the final result for this Indiana team. Yeah. You can't ever. You can't put guarantees.

[Will]

Miami, I said earlier, early 2000s Miami.

[Joe]

Team, I'm thinking to myself, 97 Nebraska.

[Will]

94, 97 Nebraska didn't win the national championship. 94, 95 the Nebraska team in the 90s. I'm just saying the 97 Nebraska.

[Joe]

Okay, but just to be clear, who won the national championship?

[Will]

Michigan won that national championship. But in all the arguments, when people argued the early 2000s Miami team, it's always the early 2000s Miami team in like 97 Nebraska. As far as like ass beatings margin. 2019 LSU is another one. They use an Alabama team and there's.

[Joe]

A 2011 Alabama or something like that.

[Will]

Yeah, they use Alabama nose because they were nasty.

[Joe]

Oh yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I think we need to see a wrap on this. And then there I'm there's gonna be a world where you break it down. And I love the fact it's so crazy how the media works because we walked into these playoffs being like, well, Indiana, they haven't played a whole lot of people. It's gonna be the same thing, one and done type of situation. And now they mop Alabama, they beat Ohio State, they mop Alabama and they be who's who. They just be Oregon. And it's like, is this the greatest team of all, all time? Like after a month span, we're now like, is this the greatest team to ever walk the earth? So it's kind of nuts. Should we get into, should we get out of here?

[Will]

Yeah, let's get out of here. See you tomorrow. I'm busting with the boys, David.

[Joe]

Tomorrow I'm busting with the boys via.

[Will]

Zoom big hugs, tiny kisses.

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