Shedeur Sanders Wins, Greg Olsen On J.J. McCarthy + Taylor Lewan On Ohio State vs. Michigan

Summary

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Bussin' With The Boys – Episode Summary

Episode: Shedeur Sanders Wins, Greg Olsen On J.J. McCarthy + Taylor Lewan On Ohio State vs. Michigan
Date: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Guests: Greg Olsen (FOX Sports), Regular Crew

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the Thanksgiving Week slate of NFL and college football, focusing on massive shakeups in the NFL playoff picture, Shedeur Sanders’ breakout as the Cleveland Browns QB, and previews the epic Michigan vs. Ohio State rivalry. With NFL veteran insight from Greg Olsen and the typical “boys” banter, the show covers coaching blunders, analytics, quarterback controversies, and the emotional stakes of big games.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Thanksgiving Recap & Houston Texans Surge

(Starts ~11:13)

• The boys reflect on the Houston Texans’ dominant defensive performance, highlighting the pass rush that gave Josh Allen fits (“seven, eight sacks in that game” – 11:13).
• Discussion on the AFC South playoff race; consensus is Texans are real playoff contenders.
• Will Anderson & Danielle Hunter’s relentless effort receives heavy praise (“A couple of robots rushing around the edge. It was unbelievable to watch.” – 12:00)
• They analyze the Texans playoff chances, assess QB Davis Mills, and conclude defense is the controlling factor for Houston’s resurgence.

2. Buffalo Bills at a Crossroads

(~15:35-19:57)

• The Bills’ inconsistency and team culture issues – especially the Keon Coleman “healthy scratch” saga – are front and center.
• The O-line’s “internal clock” issue: Taylor notes Bills blockers stop on protection too soon, leading to easy sacks for the Texans (“That’s a big issue that is just fixed with effort.” – 18:32).
• Greg Olsen highlights the gravity of the situation: “I think if you’re the Bills, this is a DEFCON 5 panic mode…” (20:16).

3. AFC Playoff Picture: Chaos Reigns

(~20:53)

• Multiple teams (Patriots, Broncos, Colts, Jags, Texans) are unexpectedly in the playoff hunt, with the boys loving the chaos.
• The hosts revel in preseason predictions now being blown up (“My boy loves chaos.”—21:12).

4. Greg Olsen Joins: Passing Analytics & Play Calling

(24:40 and throughout)

• Greg Olsen provides nuanced breakdowns of quarterback development (J.J. McCarthy, Vikings), emphasizing the need to let young QBs play freely to accelerate growth rather than overly sheltering them (“If you’re in a slump, we got to swing through the slump… Who cares if we lose 40 to 14? We’re not going to worry about playing not to lose.” – 31:09).
• Detailed discussion on team-building windows, salary cap constraints, and why the Vikings’ present/future hinges entirely on McCarthy’s progression.

5. Shedeur Sanders Browns Debut: Hype vs. Reality

(~36:43-46:54)

• Shedeur Sanders wins his first game as Browns starter (breaking a notorious 0-17 first start streak for Cleveland QBs), causing major buzz.
• The hosts and Greg dissect his live arm, cockiness, postgame comments (“A lot of people want to see me fail, and it ain’t gonna happen. Imagine what a full offseason looks like. It’s going to get dangerous.” – 37:34), and caution against too much self-hype.
  • Greg Olsen: “You can say whatever the hell you want in the media as long as you win. But you better win, right?” (44:08)
• Sanders’ stretch ahead is analyzed—consensus: real judgement comes after matchups with the 49ers, Steelers, and Bills.

6. Jameis Winston: Beloved Locker Room Leader

(46:54-51:53)

• Segment celebrates the “Jameis Winston Experience” after a wild, entertaining performance for the Giants, including memorable pregame speeches (“We outside, but we inside. I don’t care what boundaries you have to cross. Any. By any means necessary…” – 49:46).
• Greg Olsen admits, despite normally hating pregame speeches, Jameis has a unique, loveable fire.

7. Analytics Deep Dive: NFL Late-Game Decisions / Run vs. Pass

(55:54, 66:36, and especially 69:03–94:02)

• The boys, led by Olsen, debate several controversial calls:
  • Should the Colts have gone for it on 4th-and-4 to seal the win vs. the Chiefs?
  • How analytics and new kickoff rules (shorter kicks, more returns) should dictate late-game strategy.
  • Taking the points vs. “going for it”—Greg’s passionate argument: “The goal is to win in regulation. There is no forcing overtime. That is not part of any of these decision processes.” (74:17)
• Olsen explains why old-school “run-first” & “punt for field position” strategies are obsolete, concluding coaches are often too afraid to own an aggressive choice (“Coaches are uncomfortable, they don’t like it…They’d rather you lost anyway, but now you, hey, we gotta play better defense.” – 71:10).

8. Eagles & Jalen Hurts: Regression to the Mean

(56:42-65:54)

• Philly’s inconsistent offense dissected: talent-laden but lacking rhythm, explained as a mix of offensive line turnover, OC changes, and Hurts’ limitations in timing/processing.
• Will: “Unless he knows exactly what he’s doing with the football, or a guy is just wide open in front of his face, [Hurts] is not letting it rip.” (59:10)
• Olsen zooms out: year-over-year offensive regression is expected in running game/explosive plays; only elite QB play truly “carries” over.

9. College Football Extravaganza: Rivalry Week Preview

(133:08 and throughout last hour)

• The second half is an extended, highly detailed college football preview—especially for Michigan vs. Ohio State (“This game means everything. And it’s in Ann Arbor… If Michigan wins this game, we truly own Ohio State. There’s no more excuses.” – 135:20).
• Taylor (former Michigan captain) lays out the stakes, cultural animosity, and the narrative cycles for both programs.
• Panel riffs on other big rivalry games: Texas A&M vs. Texas, Auburn-Alabama, South Carolina-Clemson, Vandy-Tennessee.
• Discussion includes:
  • Playoff chaos scenarios (ACC/SEC)
  • Heisman watch (Jeremiah Love, Diego Pavia, Fernando Mendoza)
  • Coaching carousel speculation (Lane Kiffin, Chip Kelly, Brian Kelly, etc.)

10. Personal Struggles, Gameday Superstitions, & Locker Room Bonds

(Throughout)

• Periodic, hilarious asides on ordering coffee, assembling furniture, and the mental grind of winter football workouts.
• Group therapy on post-career fitness setbacks: “I’m just a fat piece of—. I’ve been handling myself very poorly… I’ve got to get started.” (110:38)
• Peak locker-room energy in discussing pregame speeches, old college workouts, and forging accountability groups to “get back to it.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Greg Olsen on late-game analytics:
  “The goal is to win in regulation. There is no forcing overtime… Coaches are uncomfortable, they don’t like it. And this is not unique to Shane Steichen. It’s pretty much every coach around the league with the exception of a couple. It drives me insane.” (71:15)

• On Shedeur Sanders’ attitude:
  Will: “The postgame press conference is extremely short-sighted and it plays exactly what you said. Like he is the main character of his movie. In his mind, there’s no other movies taking place.” (42:19)

• J.J. McCarthy (by Olsen):
  “I think at some point they need to just rip the band aid off and say, we’ll fix all the fundamentals in the offseason… If I’m Kevin O’Connell, I’m saying JJ, just get back and rip it. I don’t care if you throw five picks—you’re not coming out of the game.” (27:10)

• On college rivalry stakes:
  Taylor: “If Michigan wins this game, we truly own Ohio State. There’s no more excuses. … This game means everything.” (135:20)

• Taylor on NFL playoff madness:
  “If there’s one thing we’ve learned in the 2025 football season, it’s Will Compton and chaos are a match made in heaven. You two love each other so much.” (15:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Texans-Bills Deep Dive: 11:13–17:34
• Buffalo’s Panic Mode: 19:25–20:53
• Greg Olsen Joins, AFC Analysis: 24:40+
• J.J. McCarthy & QB Theory: 26:48–33:09
• Shedeur Sanders Discussion: 36:43–46:54
• Jameis Winston Lovefest: 46:54–51:53
• Run/Pass Decision Analytics: 66:36–94:02
• Eagles Hurts Analysis: 56:42–65:54
• College Football Rivalry Week Blitz: 133:08–end
• Ohio State-Michigan Epic Rant: 135:20–141:29
• Heisman & Coaching Carousel: 172:14–174:45
• Personal Locker Room Stories: Throughout, e.g., workouts (104:08), fitness struggles (110:17)

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Tone & Takeaways

• Raw, locker-room authenticity—ballplayer lingo mixed with sharp analysis.
• Plenty of humor, warmth, and “boys” energy, but with high-level football IQ from players and coaches.
• Magazine-worthy breakdown on why “analytics vs. old school” is reshaping football.
• Deep appreciation of football culture: rituals, superstitions, rivalries, and how identity is forged.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a football lover’s feast—a seamless blend of X’s & O’s, locker-room storytelling, roast sessions, and high-stakes college/NFL talk. Whether you want to understand why going for it on 4th down is the new norm, hear how Shedeur Sanders shook up Cleveland, or get hyped for Michigan-Ohio State, the Boys bring humor and insight you won’t get anywhere else, all while showing massive love for the chaos of football in November.

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[C]

Can I start this show negatively and then we'll bring it back to positive somehow throughout the show? I just start.

[A]

It's a week of gratitude.

[C]

It's a week of. That's why. Let me get it out. Get it out of the way right now. Do you mind? You can start. You mind? Just. We'll do this, and then after that, we'll just be grateful from here on out. Cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Nothing pisses me off more, dude, than when you order a coffee on Uber Eats or Postmates and you spend way too much money for a coffee and they bring you the coffee. You get an iced coffee, and it's filled to the brim with ice, and there's like 6 ounces of coffee in there. Is that not insane?

[A]

Grateful for coffee week. Week of gratitude. I think it's.

[C]

I think it's. It's okay to be negative in this small pocket. After this, I will be grateful.

[A]

We're in a world where we get to be so lazy that we can just go to where we want to go and think, I want an iced coffee. I don't want to get hot coffee that we have here at the shop. Like, I want to get me an iced coffee. Let me Just pull out my smartphone and dial in. Somebody's going to go pick up the coffee for you, bring it to you. You can throw them a dollar, a couple bucks tip, whatever it is. But we get. You can get iced coffee in your hands like that, right? And we're. We're talking about ice to the brim. It's not done perfectly. Again, week of gratitude.

[C]

Right? And I'm going to say it again. We're using this small fucking pocket to say things we're pissed about so we can have even more gratitude. What things? So great. It's the lulls in life that make you appreciate when you have success and you get over these milestones in life. Okay, so I'm having. I'm bringing us down a little bit so I can bring us up later and we'll be like, wow, how extra grateful are we? Because we had that pocket of negativity? I'm going to give you another one, though, because you said something. You order on the app, and all of a sudden we're giving out a little tip. That's great. If I order one singular coffee, that coffee is 5:38 from the coffee place I like to go to. Then there's a Uber Eats charge. I get it. You're running a business. And then it says tip, $3, $4, $5.

[A]

That we got to get that out of.

[C]

That shit's gotta go. Because I'll go custom every single time and put $1, because that is 20%. Maybe a little less because the 38 cents, but I don't do cents around here. Yeah, okay, but if you're. If you are a barista. All right, if you have the prestigious name of a barista and you see an Uber Eats order and it's an iced coffee, put half ice in there. Half ice.

[A]

Did you check extra ice on your coffee?

[C]

Come on. Sure. You know I didn't. Oh, that's weird, because they gave you.

[A]

Enough ice to fill a fucking baby bowl with.

[C]

That's right, because we're being a little negative right now. What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that, dude?

[B]

There you go.

[C]

Okay, is anybody have anything negative to say before we go to full gratitude from here to even through the bus, an episode? Anybody? Yep.

[B]

Mitch, sometimes when you order.

[C]

I just ordered nightstands this weekend.

[B]

The amount of pieces that are in that. It took me and Brooke two and.

[C]

A half hours to build two nightstands.

[B]

It was fun, little bonding moment, but it's like.

[A]

Can we just lower the parts?

[C]

Sorry, Lower the parts. Lower the parts. Make it Easier. Also, stop giving me that little ass screwdriver, dude. All right? Stop doing that. Like, if you're. If you're gonna send something, say, hey, you need tools for this? Or just make it to where I can screw the in myself. Right?

[B]

Well said.

[C]

Love it. Anybody else want a?

[A]

I kind of want a.

[C]

Which, dude? Because we gotta. We had a head. We had a. We have to hit bottom floor right now in order to feel gratitude for Thanksgiving, dude.

[A]

F my kids.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

Nebraska got their ass pummeled this weekend. We'll cover that. College football. But Rue, sweetheart, she gets sick in the middle of the night on Friday. That's we do. We do a little sleepover. Or Saturday, whenever it was. Do a little sleepover. She wakes up at 4 in the morning and just starts projectile vomiting all over the bed. Got some on Charo. I get woken up, my wife looks at me crazy because I just want to lay a towel down. I'm like, let's just get a towel down. We'll just keep it moving.

[C]

Can I tell you something too? I've done that.

[A]

Like, Big daddy, Get the newspapers out. We'll cover it. She's like, are you serious? I was like, let's just get. We. We got to get back to sleep. It's like 3:30 or 4 in the morning. She's like, yes on.

[C]

Sleep is so important.

[A]

She's like, it's on my side. You don't have to lay in it. Look, you want to change the sheets? Let's change the sheets.

[C]

Both. You kind of get mad at each other and then just go to sleep kind of. And then wake up in the morning.

[A]

She'S doing all the. Doing all the breasts.

[C]

Like, yeah, dude, Breaths. Breaths speak volumes in marriages with kids.

[A]

I like looking room like, come on, we'll get off the bed. Mom wants to change your seats.

[C]

And she just threw up. She's like, still wiping her face. Go ahead, get off. That's good, dude. Your kids. You're saying that. I'm saying those are the words.

[A]

I said f. I said. I said F.

[C]

You're right. You're right. That was up by me. And now. Because I'm being a nasty right now.

[A]

You've been down and out. You've been down and out for. For quite a minute, right?

[C]

It's tough for me to be grateful when I'm learning how to walk again. I've spent 72 hours, literally.

[A]

That's why in my head, I'm thinking, if you're just holding the iced coffee in your hand, you're like man, all this that I've went through, it's so nice to have this ice coffee.

[C]

Right. But we've got to. I don't want to explain myself again. You know what we're doing right now.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Jack about something. Dude, I'm not even going to about something. Oh my God.

[B]

I mean but I'm going to be nasty.

[C]

Be nasty. Clump is such a fraud.

[B]

First time that hell yeah.

[C]

The Paul's winning Gainesville in 20 plus years.

[B]

It just happens to be weeks after Klump decides to be a Florida fan. Come in here and he's like dude. He's like we're just wait, we're good. We got Kiffin coming and and club.

[C]

Hasn'T said one thing. Hadn't been like hey man, I was wrong. Hadn't said this. He took Florida money line. Florida got their kicked in, pushed in, kicked in, kicked in, pushed it, kicked.

[B]

And pushed and I don't know I.

[C]

The first thing I said to Clump.

[B]

When I came was just pretty nasty and I. It's just nice to know that he.

[C]

Is truly the reason that Florida will.

[B]

Probably be in the for the next five years.

[C]

Ever since Clump has become a Florida fan they have done things they haven't done since 2003 and that's losing Tennessee at home.

[B]

Yeah. Anything you want to say Clump?

[C]

Hey come about something dude, don't say anything nice over get kid. Just say something nasty.

[B]

I don't have anything really to about but I do believe in karma and like bad vibes and celebrating the Florida win is great but Tennessee's about to.

[A]

Get their packed in by Vandy on.

[B]

Saturday and Diego Pavia is going to.

[A]

Win the Heisman trophy after scoring five times. Oh my God, we got a college football show coming. College football show coming later. College football football show.

[C]

We'll talk about it later. Should we get everyone feel good? Sure.

[A]

Porch pirates, dude.

[C]

Just them them. They come over, they steal your packages, they run away.

[B]

That's so crazy that people still do that.

[A]

Oh oh, porch.

[C]

Yeah, porch. Hey, a lot of conversations on a podcast right now. A lot of combos. Hey, just porch pirates. That's all I have to say.

[A]

And happy Thanksgiving, dude. Happy Thanksgiving.

[C]

Happy Thanksgiving. Have you seen the videos of people who like have their little cameras on their doors and the people steal the packages but those packages are like they have like glitter bombs. Yeah, glitter bombs inside of them like, like they picked up and now people go and they rush to their car and they get in their car you just see like Pink and blue explode in their car.

[A]

And now the porch pirates are charging.

[C]

Those people with assault. What are we doing? What are we doing? Oh, you know what we're doing, buddy. Oh, I stole their package.

[A]

And their package. Glitter bomb me.

[C]

That's assault. That's a salt, brother. So, yeah, you should do that. Or move.

[A]

I really want to.

[C]

Or move. Yeah, because that's a. That's a crazy thing that people are doing still.

[B]

It's crazy.

[C]

Shouldn't have that NFL. Crazy weekend in the NFL. By the way, boys, I am so grateful for you guys taking the time to be very negative with me. That was. I needed that. Onward and upward. We're going to be grateful from here on out. Let's be grateful for the Houston Texans and that defensive pass. Let's give a round of applause for that pass rush. Was it seven, eight sacks in that game? The boys were absolutely hunting all day long. Their offense was okay, a little stagnant. They did enough to win the game. We'll say that. They did enough to win the game. They had Josh Allen running for his life all day. And the back end. That defense was sticky on the wide. Receivers. We all know, like, people have been very critical of the Buffalo Bills wide receivers, and they. I think they deserve a little bit of criticism. But we have to say a lot of the good things about how that defense played. They played absolutely incredible in that game and made Josh Allen run for his life. Daniel Hunter, who's your individual? Will Anderson. My God. Couple of. Couple of robots rushing around the edge. It was unbelievable to watch.

[A]

And even when they missed the sack, the way they're able to get up off the turf and continue to hunt this man, that's. That's what's impressive. This. The defense for the Houston Texans is for real. And when you look at their schedule, too, like, they got kind of a gauntlet in the next couple weeks with the Colts. They play at Indianapolis and then go to Arrowhead and play the Chiefs after that. Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers in Colts again. Is there a world where you feel like the Texans are going to make the playoffs? I think there's clearly a world.

[C]

But clearly a world.

[A]

In your mind. Do you think the Texans make a run and get into the playoffs?

[C]

What's their record right now?

[A]

Because our 6 and 6 and 5.

[C]

6 and 5.

[A]

Yeah. 6 and 5.

[C]

And the Jags are 7 and 4.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

And the Colts are 9 and 3. 9 and 2.

[A]

Colts are 8.

[C]

3. 8 and 3. Yeah, there's. There's absolutely a world. We can see that I think the issue is, is what happens in that second slot. Hell, what happens in that first slot. Maybe the Texans pass rush is that good. Where they get Daniel Jones off of his, you know, out of sequence. He's not throwing in rhythm. He's not throwing with timing. Maybe they can go and upset the Colts if they just got upset against the Kansas City Chiefs. Maybe something happens there where that defense is just good enough. I mean, they're only two games back versus Colts.

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Question for y'.

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All.

[B]

Do you think Davis Mills 30 in.

[C]

His three starts with no.

[B]

The Texans, you don't think.

[C]

No.

[B]

There's going to be any quarterback controversy there?

[A]

No.

[C]

Got hurt the early part of the year. He was having trouble. He wasn't throwing the ball accurately. He wasn't throwing it on time. The couple of games before he got injured, he started to find his stride a little bit. He started like push the ball down the field. His wide receivers making big catches. That to me is a non. That's a non conversation starter right here. Because it's not. Because. Is it Davis Mills? Davis Mills isn't the reason why all of a sudden he's like willing his team into victory. Like he is taking care of the football, allowing the run game to work from a little bit, being efficient with the football when he needs to be, and then allowing the defense to absolutely wreak havoc and that's what's causing the Texans to win the game. That it's the defense, it's not necessarily the offense. And if you're looking on the other side of that, we're not going to get critical, right? We're not getting critical. But the Buffalo Bills, they're in a bit of danger right now.

[A]

Just before we get out of the AFC south, all that has to happen this weekend. You got a. Essentially a one game race. Texans beat the Colts this weekend and then Jaguars got the Titans. So Jaguars win that. If the j. If the Jaguars win that game, I'm not saying they're going to, but if the Jaguars win that game, likely that they will. They'll be 8 and 4 Colts. If they lose, the Texans Colts will be 8 and 4 and Texas will be 7 and 5 and we'll have a one game away where what felt like earlier in the season as it was trending, Colts were going to run away their potential one seed and everything else and the AFC south was kind of beaten down. But the, yeah, Texans Jaguars have been inconsistent, they've been steady. But you know, we'll see kind of what happens in this last Stretch in November, December football.

[C]

But we're.

[A]

We. We could be one game away after this weekend. Could be one game away for some good fun. Chaos.

[C]

And if there's one thing we've Learned in the 2025 football season, it's Will Compton and chaos are a match made in heaven. You got. You two love each other so much. I love chaos. I love sitting there. I love sitting back and just watching the chaos unfold. And then you kind of telling me a story as if I'm a child tucked in and you're reading me a nice little book at night. The Book of Chaos. I enjoy that you're an individual, that you're on chat gbt. You're wondering how we get the most chaos out of life. Yeah. When it comes to the gridiron.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Mostly we'll get to college football later.

[A]

Yeah, we'll get to college football.

[C]

Get the college football.

[A]

Even in some NFL, you know, there's chaos. Is all this chaos created with Philadelphia Eagles? We will. We'll get to that once we start talking about the nfc. But yeah, going out to. Going out to Buffalo. I don't know what to think of Buffalo.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I just don't know what to make of Buffalo. Like, their defense is inconsistent. You can run the ball on them. Josh Allen's gonna have to be a superhero every game. Receivers, are they gonna, you know. What's his name? Keon Coleman.

[C]

Yeah. He's basically healthy in a row. He.

[B]

I think he was last week. He sat out for like the first half or first quarter. And I think like I. According to Dion Dawkins, after like a post game interview, it seems like it's like kind of like a character issue, kind of like an attitude type thing and he needs to like dial it in. But like, he was a first round traffic for him. You would like to think that he's out there and like can.

[A]

But did he play Thursday?

[C]

No, he did not play.

[A]

Yeah, he didn't play Thursday. He was. An underwear interview you're talking about was two weeks ago when he got benched for a quarter and said it was character. We got to get him back on track. But Thursday he wasn't even dressed. He was a healthy scratch.

[C]

Two weeks in a row for missing a team meeting is basically what they said.

[B]

And then his attitude for how they reprimanded him, I guess is why he.

[C]

Was a healthy scratch again.

[A]

That sucks, man.

[C]

Yeah. But I need on Dawkins, I think he handled it really well. Obviously there was internal conversations that took place, but his post Game interview or whatever, when he's like, listen, I love the kid. He's awesome. He needs to now show at these levels of growth to get in. So it's like you've had the conversation, you publicly said what it's about. That to me, is great leadership by Dion Dawkins. Like, they handle it that way. Great time of year, too, for Keon Coleman to be thankful.

[A]

Just kind of rewrite the script.

[C]

Rewrite the script.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Thanksgiving. I understand. Hey, listen, you are a young cat. Single young cat in the NFL. First round draft pick. First round draft pick, able to play with the reigning mvp. Yeah. And to catch balls from Josh Allen. Great quarterback and a team that widely is considered a contender in the NFL. You're one of 32 teams that have the possibility to win a world championship. How beautiful is that, man?

[A]

That's something to be thankful for.

[C]

That's something to be thankful for. That's outstanding, Sherman. I love that. But I think. I think the answer is this wide receiver room is from a talent standpoint there, we could all kind of say, like, they're below average or they're not getting separation the way they need to get separation. The defense, you said it, like, people can run on them.

[A]

And they're getting injured.

[C]

And they're getting injured.

[A]

So they lost with the right tackle.

[C]

They lost, yeah. Spencer Brown. Spencer Brown was having some issues during the game. He ended up coming out and not finishing from a right shoulder injury. He ended up coming out, not returning back in the game. And if we're going to stick on the offensive line, here's my biggest issue I have with watching that game. We're going to stay thankful with these offensive linemen. I know, I know. I brought up Dion Dawkins. I think Dion Dawkins is one of the best tackles in the NFL. Like, his run blocking ability is, you know, I think in the top 10 category. His pass blocking ability is in the top 10 category. You're able as an offense to do so much with a tackle like him.

[B]

And.

[C]

And I think Spencer Brown is one of the more underrated tackles in the entire league. But these guys have a. A timer is going off in their head when they're in pass production. And you see it multiple times. There were two or three sacks that took place in that game. That was because they decided the ball should be out and they stopped blocking. And the defensive end, whether it be Anderson or Hunter, kept going and got the sack. And so that. That's a. That's a. A big issue that is just fixed with effort. But you save yourself, your quarterback getting hit two or three other times if you don't have that timer in your head. And a guy like Josh Allen, you know, he likes to hold the ball a long time. You know, like being a. If you're a Dion dog and Spencer Brand, you've been the league long enough to know, hey, your wide receiver room, they're going to take a little bit longer. They need more time to kind of have these routes open. Unless you're scheming them open in certain ways. That is a big problem that they need to get fixed. But it's easily fixable going into next week.

[A]

Yeah. Spencer Brown, too, looking at going on IR potentially.

[C]

And Terrell Bernard.

[A]

Yeah, Bernard. Bernard, their inside backer.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He went down too, with an elbow. So they're also taking on injuries. Yeah, I think it's the Patriots. Patriots are going to take the East.

[C]

I think.

[A]

I know it's only. I know it's only two game. What are they. Is it two games back?

[C]

I think they're two and a half because they have the typewriter as well.

[B]

I think the Bills are seven. Yeah, Bills are.

[C]

It's a three games right now.

[A]

Bills are seven and four.

[B]

Yeah. I think the Pats and Bills still play each other twice this year, though.

[C]

No, no, the Pats and Bills already played each other at the Bills. The Pats won that game that started the Pat streak. Or us kind of like opening our eyes to the Patriots. The Bills, they don't play again till I think the first week of January or late December is when they play again.

[A]

But the Patriots the rest of the way. You got giants, December 14th is when bills, Ravens, jets and Dolphins.

[C]

I think if you're the Bills, this is a DEFCON 5 panic mode situation that you're on your three games back.

[B]

You're in the playoffs right now.

[C]

You're in the playoffs right now. But I think with the competition we just took place with the AFC South, AFC west also, how we have not gotten to. That's like you can have multiple teams there making the playoffs. It is a scary. It's scary to be a Buffalo Bills fan and a Buffalo Bills player right now.

[A]

Patriots and Broncos racing for the 1.

[C]

Seed in the 80s, racing for the 1 seed. What a fun world we get to live in.

[B]

I'm saying, like for the Bills, like, yeah, you may be like in the playoff picture right now, but like your playoffs start now. Like you need to.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. It's one of those situations for sure.

[A]

Imagine before the season started. You're not talking. It's like, hey, who's going to race for the one seed in the afc? It's going to be like between Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson. Now we're talking about, now we're talking about Bo Nix and Drake May. Bo Nixon, Drake May racing for the one seed in the afc. I love it.

[C]

I know you do. My boy loves chaos.

[A]

Love chaos too.

[B]

Or the Colts.

[C]

Yeah, Daniel Jones as well. I mean they just lost to the Chiefs and they should not have lost that game. That was a heartbreaking. That's the second biggest heartbreaking game besides Columbus Eagles this past weekend. But yeah, dude, I think, I think the, it's safe to say the AFC east is owned by the Patriots right now. It is. I mean the Patriots scheduled the rest of the way too. I mean you got, you were fourth or third and your division last year. You're kind of in a place where you're playing the easier teams. We saw the gauntlet the Bills have to deal with there. It's a tough spot. Tough spot. Tough spot to be living in right now. Looks like we got Greg joining. Greg is Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? With a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other, one for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you are drowning in software. Instead of growing your business. This is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that handles everything, CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part, Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for.

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[C]

Joining us right now, we were.

[A]

What's going on? Nothing. We were just talking ball. We were talking the AFC kind of, you know, laughing, loving the chaos. How before the season it's like you're talking Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. A couple of those four races for the one seed in the afc and now we're talking about Bo Nicks and Drake May.

[B]

It's funny how the league shifts, man. So it makes the NFL so good. You just, you think, you know. And the reality is none of us have any idea, you know, that the.

[A]

Patriots are going to win the AFC east though. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's what it looks like right now. Barring, what are they, 10 and two.

[A]

Yeah. 10 and two.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Close one. They had to come back a little bit against the Bengals defense.

[C]

That's all right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What was it? I think, you know, I know everybody.

[B]

Wants to get 300 yards of offense.

[C]

In the fourth quarter.

[B]

Anybody. And their schedule has been the easiest and they haven't beat anybody with a winning record. Like I get all that. But this is not college football. Right. Where everyone's schedule is so drastically different. Some years you get lucky and you play the four seed schedule because of the year before and your schedule's easy and you're at and your crossover division at a conference is an easy one. And then the next year you play the hardest schedule. Like it all. It all Evens itself out. You got to take advantage of an easy schedule when you get it and you never apologize for winning.

[C]

You know what's, you know what's crazy right now is, I mean, I don't want to look ahead at 26 because we have so much fun football ahead of us in the NFL season. But if we get through the year the way the year is going right now, at some point in February, March, April, May, some of the, the mainstream media is going to stop talking about Drake May as much and Bo Nixon. They're going to go back to the things they're most comfortable with. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow. And then we're going to look at the 26th season and the AFC and we're going to have those four regular names. But you're going to add Drake May in there, you're going to add Bo Nicks and then now we're looking at the afc. Like every team in the AFC could win the afc.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's going to be, that's exciting.

[A]

Yeah. What, what do you make of. So you, you covered the Vikings, packers yesterday? Yeah, Yep. Lot of conversations around J.J. mcCarthy.

[C]

Lot of conversations.

[A]

What are you seeing as you watch that game unfold?

[B]

Yeah, it, it's a tough, it's a tough offense to watch and I think there's a lot of reasons. Right. So on one side of the coin we got a guy who's in just made his sixth NFL start. Right. So I think it's a little premature to just cast him off and say he's done. He's not an NFL starter, he's Zach Wilson, he's Trey Lance, he's a high first round pick that just can't do it. I think it's too early for that. But I do think there are some alarm bells going off like, okay, are we wasting a window where we clearly thought that we were going to be in contention to not just win the division but to make a deep run in the playoffs after a disappointing end to a 14 win regular season last year. So I think that's a very reasonable conversation. I think they are running this offense entirely different than they have in years past. This looks entirely different with albeit pretty much the exact same guys on offense in the same play caller, a very different system and scheme and play style to last year. And you know, I understand the offensive line has been very banged up. They started yesterday with for the first time all season. Yesterday was the first game that they had their preseason on paper. Starting five on there together. And then Christian Darasaw, he leaves. Donovan Jackson, the left guard, he leaves. So they don't even finish the game with that. So offensive line has been an issue, but skill wise they've got a lot of great guys. Obviously Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, they got Kevin o', Connell, the same play caller. It just looks different. So I think at some point they need to just rip the band aid off and say, we'll fix all the fundamentals in the offseason. We'll fix the over striding, we'll fix throwing to his left, we'll fix the base of his mechanics flying open. Forget all that. I think if I'm Kevin o', Connell, I'm saying jj, just get back and rip it. I don't care if you throw five picks, you're not coming out of the game. I think they need to flip it because right now they're protecting him. It's super run heavy. They're getting nothing out of it. They're not going to score any points and they're all just doing it to try to protect him and not crush him. I, I think I would go the complete opposite going forward and just say you can either do it or he can't. We're not going to handcuff the rest of the offense and the rest of the team because this is clearly not a style of play that is conducive to scoring points and ultimately winning.

[A]

Are you?

[C]

Hold on, Greg. I 100% agree with everything you just said because you, if you're Kevin o', Connell, you're sitting there and the entire Vikings fan base is now completely impatient because yeah, this is, this is a sick start, but it's his second year with that team and they've had this anticipation of JJ McCarthy for two years now. And regardless of whether it's fair to him, it's not fair to him. That's the way the NFL is. It's impatient. And we have a development issue. If you're Kevin o', Connell, it's. If you're in a slump, we got to swing through the slump. Like he threw the ball 19 times yesterday. We need to double those numbers and who cares? You're right. If it's five picks, six picks, like we're just going to keep on ripping it. And by December, like maybe he works through those things. Kid does a lot of meditation, does a lot of things focus on himself. He sits there in post game press conferences or during the week and they're like, hey, are you used to playing quarterback like this? He's very open. Like, when I was at Michigan, this is not how they taught me to play quarterback. So he's learning new.

[A]

He's talking about taking the dog outside. And he's getting 10 reps in.

[C]

Yeah, getting 10 reps. And it's like, fundamentals. Let's make those real live reps and let's see if you're the guy right now. Because the way their season is going is if he is the guy or if you're Kevin o'. Connell. Like, hey. Because to me, I see a couple of things, right, where it's like we have a lot of red flags taking place, a lot of alarms going off, but there are one or two things you see when he does throw the ball on time with the right mechanics, he's throwing guys out of breaks perfect in the back of the end zone. He's throwing high front of the end zone. He's throwing it low by the hip. Like, he's throwing the football in ways. You're like, oh, okay, that's the guy they wanted to draft right there. But it's like you have between now and the end of the year to truly figure it out, because you're not going to have a fan base that's going to be patient with the head coach if you don't go and draft a quarterback in the first round, if it stays like this. So you've got to be like, hey, let's get. Let's have him throw the ball 36, 37 times a game and just call this season a wash and rip it. So I agree with you. I love. I love that.

[B]

Because remember, he's not dumb, right? He's been around a lot of good ball. He's won a lot of games. He's always been the man. I mean, just even back, you know, going, what, 37 and 1, 36 and 1. Whatever it was in college at Michigan, winning the Natty, this is a guy who's been around ball, and he understands good ball and he understands bad ball. And I think right now the team thinks they're protecting him. And I don't fault Kevin o' Connell for any of this. He's really trying to, like, find that delicate balance between throwing your young. Yeah, that was inadvertent. Throwing your young quarterback to the wolves and crushing him, which we've seen stunt the growth of young quarterbacks for years. But I also think you can stunt a young quarterback's confidence by putting in a game plan and calling the plays, which signals to everybody who's watching the game or part playing in the game. We don't believe in this guy. Like, he can't do it. So we're going to just call this game entirely different from how we otherwise would. I think that's equally debilitating. So I think you overcorrect. Let it rip. You're not benching him. There's no one else to go to. And you're saying, dude, we protected you and we lost 23 to 6. Who cares if we lose 40 to 6, 40 to 14? Like, we're not going to worry about playing, not to lose. That formula is obviously not getting us anywhere. We're going to go out there, let it rip, get back to what you've been. All the confidence in the world, let it eat, and if you throw it to the other team, we'll fix it on Monday. But we can't do this whole run, run third down, pass, fall behind, and then get into pass mode at the end and just think we're going to chuck it down by three scores. Like, you just can't play NFL football that way. And they don't have a lot of choices who they turn to. I'm not suggesting they turn to somebody else, but I think you just let the young kid go out there and let it fly, and you're losing anyway. So what's the difference of the manner in which you lose?

[C]

Right, right.

[A]

I just, you know, if you, if you go that route and then he, you know, because he's like the most inaccurate passer in the NFL right now. Like, I know we hate throwing stats, but quarterbacks with at least 100 attempts, you look at accuracy, percentage, so ball location, accuracy, within the frame, away from the coverage. He's only, he's. His accuracy is only 51. There's only three quarterbacks in the league below 55. And, and it's Carson Wentz, it's J.J. mcCarthy, and it's Michael Penck, and J.J. mcCarthy's at the bottom. So you, you might say you double those numbers if he's that wildly inaccurate. And you, you, you mess around and find out at the end of the season. It would just suck if the Vikings, they find themselves in a position at the end of the year to where it's like, oh, this probably is not our guy.

[B]

That's what you have to follow that one to this. We talked about this yesterday on the, on the call. You look back into the off season, right? And there's a lot of things that went on in Minnesota. They have Sam Darnold, he moves on to Seattle Whether or not they offered the same amount of money or not, we'll never really know the truth of how it all went down. But they clearly, they let Sam walk, he ends up in Seattle. He's having a great year. And then they have Daniel Jones, right? And from all reports and everyone internally saying, hey, we, they wanted Daniel back. They thought Daniel Jones was the best bang for their buck as far as what they'd have to pay him. And the guy that they saw when they picked him up, when he got released from the Giants down the stretch of the season last year. So he signs with Indianapolis under the, under the assumption, which proved to be right, that he could beat out Anthony Richardson more likely that he'd play in Indianapolis than he measured that he would play if he stayed in Minnesota. So that all plays out and they go all in. But if they don't think J.J. mcCarthy is their guy, which I think they do and did and still do to a degree, they spent the second most money in the free agency in the entire league, only behind the New England Patriots. Right. So why did the Patriots do it? Because we've got Drake May on a young contract. We're going to, we gotta, we gotta attack this window for the next four years until we got to pay him 70 million by the time he's up. We got to capitalize on getting this roster as talented as we can in these next four window, four year window, because we have this young rookie quarterback that is a stud. I think Minnesota took the exact same approach. They said, Listen, we got four years left of JJ McCarthy on a rookie contract. We're paying him peanuts. We're not paying 50 million, we're not paying 60 million. We're going to go all in. We've got Justin Jefferson, we've got a veteran offensive line, we've got one of the top defenses every single year with Brian Flores leading the show. This is our window to capitalize. Kevin o' Connell has made every quarterback that he's worked with play the best version of themselves and they went all in. Now you take a look and you say, okay, if you haven't hit on your quarterback and if he's not the guy for the next four years, you're dead.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because your cap situation stinks. You're over the cap. These contracts just balloon as time goes on. And this window you thought you had four years from now, Justin Jefferson's four years older and Addison, and it all starts to break apart. So there is more than just winning and losing games in this moment. The next couple Years are tied. Everything they've done organizationally and roster building, everything they've done is tied to the fact that they're going to have a rookie quarterback for the next four years.

[C]

Damn.

[A]

Yeah, that's a mic. That's a. That's. Yeah, it's kind of a mic drop right there.

[C]

Yeah, it is. The Minnesota Vikings find themselves in a very precarious situation. I don't know if this game was good. Was it. Was the Browns game taking place while you were calling the game? No, that was right after. That was right after your game.

[B]

I caught some of the highlights in the Browns game. Obviously. I saw Shador's touchdown. I saw Shador's postgame interview. Yeah, so I caught. I caught. I caught the highlights. I caught the parts that matter.

[C]

Obviously. He beat the Raiders 24 to 10. Every Browns quarterback making their first start, they are 0 and 17. So Shedeur Sanders, he wins his game his first start as a quarterback. He's in a category of his own when it comes to the Cleveland Browns. He won his first game. Before the game, he's saying, I'm who the Browns have been looking for. Like, that's what he was trying to show after the game. A lot of people want to see me fail, and it ain't going to happen. Beautiful. The next thing he says, imagine what a full offseason looks like. Dot, dot dot. It's going to get dangerous. Okay. Donald Trump, he starts coming in, tell, hey, Cedric Sanders he was great after first game. He's. He's saying, I told you so.

[A]

He said, great jeans. I told you so.

[C]

45 and 47. Has planted his flagpole in the Shadur Sanders campaign.

[B]

Like Trump commented on Shador Sanders, I.

[C]

Was the first one to say it. The Browns are back because of me. You see the clip of shoulder. Sanders scrambling out to his right, throwing it deep. Miles Garrett face just lights up. He's like, I 18 sacks. But now we finally have a quarterback. Yeah, this is the best Thanksgiving I'm ever going to have my entire life. What. What the hell is going on in Cleveland? As Stefanski has. He said as he saved his job is. Is Shadow Sanders the second coming of Jesus? The way they're saying he's going to be like, he didn't have like the greatest stat line in the world, but he operated. He scored 24 points.

[A]

He had a live arm. I think he had more than 10 points average.

[C]

They score a game. It's exciting.

[B]

Listen, at the very least, he adds a little excitement to the Browns because I, I Don't know if you could have paid me enough to watch the Browns play the Raiders.

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

I mean, that's just bad ball. The Raiders are. They're the worst team in the league. And I don't even think it's close over the Titans. Yeah, okay. I think they are like, bad, bad.

[A]

They just.

[B]

I think the Titans showed a little fight yesterday. I think Seattle.

[A]

Yeah, Titans were. Titans are making a push there at the end times.

[C]

Most competitive loss of the year happened yesterday.

[B]

Yes, I think they're competing. I think they're.

[C]

You.

[B]

When again, I've watched bits and pieces of Tennessee and I know I'm probably biased because Cam Ward's a Miami guy, but, like, when I watch Cam Ward struggle in a one way. They won one game, a one win season. There's a lot of the moments, a lot of those games, you come out and you go, okay, yes, I know they haven't won a game and I know he's actually thrown some. But that doesn't look like a young rookie quarterback who's playing out, you know, playing above the level that he looks like he belongs. Like, that's a guy that looks like he's. He's competitive, he's tough. He's going to throw some ball to the wrong guy. His team stinks. They're not competitive. They've already fired the coach. But that dude belongs. Like, that's how I watch Cam Ward. Like, so wins and losses. But to Shador's point, again, you don't apologize for who you beat. The Raiders stink. Who do the Browns play next week? Do you know?

[A]

Let me look it up for you.

[C]

Sherman, you mind?

[B]

They're going to play some real teams. Right. So I just think you have to be very careful. And I know he likes being the bad guy. He likes being the villain. He plays into it. He did in college. They got the 49ers their own. But this is a very humbling sport. And yes, you got off to a good start. You beat the Raiders, you don't apologize. And more power to him. But Kevin Stefanski is not dumb. Kevin Stefanski is a very good football coach. If he thought Shador Sanders was the answer to the problems and the answer to saving his job, Shador would have been the quarterback weeks ago. So the notion that he's not playing Shador because he wants him to fail is nonsense. We've all been around this league.

[C]

That's the craziest take I've ever heard.

[B]

People would play. People would play their worst enemy in the world if it thought that they could win and save their job. So the notion that Kevin Stefanski is going to go, go down and have the best quarterback in his roster, not play just out of principle or because he doesn't like his postgame interviews, I think is nonsense. So hopefully he is that guy. I like Shador coming out of college. I think he's got some physical skills, he's big, he's strong. I thought he was awesome in college. There's something, though, behind the scenes as a reason why Kevin Stefanski hasn't turned to him sooner. And we don't know. We're not at practice, we're not in meetings. We don't know what that looks like. But that's an obvious, you know, to, to conclude that is not a real leap of faith.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm rooting for the kid. Like you said. It's one of those things where he's going to play some real football teams and I hope he does well. Like, I root for him, I root for his story. Just because again, he fell in the draft, he's a fifth round guy. You know, people love to beat up on him. People, people love to also root for him, but people also love to hate. It's just like when you see his post game pressers, I'm just thinking, buddy, just caution yourself, speaking to your own movie, like you're the second. Like you're the, you're the one, you're the one that was chosen. And then also just speaking to your haters. It's just again, I hope, because all you do is you put yourself in a spot for eternity on critics and everybody, like assuming being right until you essentially, all you can do is win a Super Bowl.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The way he ends up chirping at times and it's just, I, I would just, I'm rooting for him. I want more people to root for him. And when those things like that get said, when those things happen, it's like I understand why people come after him. Just like I understand people rooting for him. So it's, it's all of those things. It's like, bro, just, just talk about the team, talk about, you know, the gratitude of being in the spot. You got a big one next week, you got to stack another one, right? And just keep the head down and.

[C]

Keep going because that, you're right. His postgame press conference is extremely short sighted and it plays exactly what you said. Like he is the main character of his movie. In his mind, there's no other movies taking place. In the world, even though we're all kind of dealing with ours. And he's like, I told y', all, imagine this, imagine that. It's like, okay, enjoy that for the next six days because you have another judgment day coming against the 49ers on Sunday. And so, yeah, like, and, and if he does have. Let's say he has success against the 49ers, let's say he has. He wins five games. Five more games or whatever, that's great. He's going to have an awesome off season. But then the goal post is going to move again. Can you be a playoff quarterback? And then if he makes the playoffs, okay, goal post moves again. Can you win a Super Bowl? So the haters are always going to have something to hold on to. And unless you're a end up being a Hall of Fame quarterback, that is, that. That's truly all they have.

[B]

I'll tell you what though, his schedule. 49ers on a short week defensively are struggling. We'll see them tonight against Carolina. The Bears, they play the Bears next. The Bears defense is not good. The Steelers hit or miss. The Titans, the Bills, okay, that's a real.

[A]

But their defense is.

[C]

Bill's defense is a little suspect, but that's.

[B]

That's his final six games. Those are the next. That's the six games that he's going to finish the season. So you know something?

[C]

Oh, so you like it? I'm over here talking like, this is Icarus.

[A]

No.

[B]

No, I. That is not my style. The post game press conference, the talking, the hate, calling out the haters. Like the notion. To your point, he's like, he's the only character in the movie. And like all of us have just been spending all of our time wearing. I'll be honest, I haven't given two thoughts to the Cleveland Browns quarterback Dylan Gabriel or whether any of them.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I haven't spent one minute. So the notion that like there's all these haters and stuff, I get how a lot of guys use that as like their motivation and they use that and more power to them. You win, you could say whatever you want. I am of the opinion of if you win and you're good, you can say and do virtually whatever you want as long as you're a good teammate and the guys in the building really like you and really go to bad for you if you have that. You can say whatever the hell you want in the media as long as you win. But you better win, right? And you better play well. Because if you Don't. Now that becomes a distraction, that becomes an issue and now it becomes all of our problems. Now we all have to answer for your post game press conferences when you don't win and when you don't play well and all that. So I'm with you about him pumping the tires a little bit, but we're going to find out a lot because that six game stretch is by no means a gauntlet and if he plays well, he deserves a lot of credit. But if he struggles down the stretch against those guys, he's going to have a lot of people come after him. And that's just the nature of the business.

[C]

It is very interesting that Shador Sanders is the main storyline coming out of Cleveland when Miles Garrett has 18 sacks right now with six games left and is probably most likely going to be Michael Strahan sack record in a season. And that'll happen. It'll be a fart in the wind like hey, Miles Garrett did it. He did something incredible that, you know, Michael Strands held this, this prestigious accolade for 20 years or whatever it is. And then we'll just move on to. But what did Shedur do? He threw a pick. Is he washed? Is he done? Is it over?

[A]

So it's the, the, the Shadur story though, like that's been such a headline since he fell in the draft or maybe didn't fall into whatever. It's been such a storyline, been such a hot topic to finally gets a start. And it was one of those games like I didn't watch the game because it was Browns Raiders, but like after they win and I see people throwing up his highlights on the Internet and stuff. I'm like, you know, I'm wanting to go in and see like okay, let's see how he, how he did in the post game. Like I want to hear from Shadur and then I hear him in the post game press.

[C]

I'm like, oh no, no, because you're watching it unfold. You're seeing someone like live on a win way too hard. Which we've all seen, whether it be high school, college, NFL. We've all, we all know of a guy in our head right, right now that rode that high a little too hard. And it's like, oh buddy, there is a cataclysmic situation coming down the pipe for you right now.

[A]

You just think to yourself like, all right, if you want to apply all this pressure to you, which again I respect you, you got to go out and you got to continue to sling the rock. You got to continue to get better so he can continue to, you know, speak to his haters after.

[C]

Yeah. Strikes me as a guy that is. I don't think he's playing 3D chess. I don't think he's like sitting there looking five, six moves ahead of everybody else right now. He's a moment type of cat. And where he's in a great moment right now. But I think if Sunday, if he lays an egg on Sunday against the 49ers, he's like, oh, shit, I probably shouldn't have said those things.

[A]

You know, speaking of great moments, a great moment we got to live in yesterday. They didn't win the football game, but just the feeling and moment that we get to hold on to and capture that we'll be telling our kids about one day or telling the next, generations about. But Jameis Winston, yeah, going out there slinging the rock, catching touchdown passes, trick plays. Like, it's so fun to watch that man play football. It really is, right? It really is. Like, anytime he's on, he gets to be the starting quarterback. You don't know what's going to happen, but you know it's going to be electric. You're going to get a pre game speech which he gave. He's like, well, we might be inside or what do you say?

[C]

He said we might be inside, we'd be outside today. Or the opposite. I'm not even sure.

[B]

Yeah, but we might be outside, but we inside his. You know, in all the streamers and all the networks and everyone's fighting for, like, content. Someone needs to buy Jameis Winston's exclusive pre game speech. And it's only allowed to air on your network. Yeah, that is like. It is must listen, must watch whatever you want to classify it. As we were doing, we had a lot of, like, game breaks, you know, during the game, we'll, like go to Karissa Thompson in the studio at Fox and she'll do like a game break and she'll give us an update when a team scores or whatever. And then early in our game, they went to a bunch of game breaks because the Giants, you know, he caught the like flea flicker touchdown or whatever he caught and shakes him a touchdown. So it kept being like, Jameis Winston highlights for the first half of our game breaks. And he's just, he is a thrill a minute. He. You talk about a guy who's going to let it rip and a couple of them might go to the wrong team. But, like, he does it bat an eye. He does not care. He's Unfazed does not affect his next throw.

[C]

He.

[B]

He is a special cat as far as just his personality and his outlook. And everybody who's ever played with him absolutely loves him.

[A]

Loves him, bro. The leadership he keeps. Like, Wally's in the game, like, talking to his guys, just everything. Yeah, I enjoy watching him.

[B]

He's really. Greg, have you something?

[C]

Greg, have you seen the movie Animal House?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, good. Because I know Will hasn't, so I didn't want to kind of give this reference, but his pregame speeches remind me when Bluto stands up, he's like, over. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? The guy leans back, he goes, just let him go. He's on a roll. Like, that is that, to me, is James Woodson. Every time he's got a mic on him, and I'm like, bro, he might say things that we. The. The common man can't understand. I. I clearly am a common man, but I absolutely love it, like, anytime. When he went and did the super bowl, was it with Fox? I think he did, like, a Fox super bowl thing where he was, like, going around New Orleans. I'm like, bro, this dude needs to be on TV 24 7. He's gonna make more money off the field when he's done than when he's, like, now when he's on the field playing in the NFL. It's so beautiful, bro. It's amazing.

[B]

He's something.

[C]

He's one of a kind. It's. It sickens me that Will does not understand that reference.

[A]

I know one day I will. One day I'll watch Animal House. But his quote was, we outside, but we inside. And then he's like, I don't care what boundaries you have to cross. Any. By any means necessary. However, we can get the win today. I know if I'm, like, saying in the huddle, I'd be, like, laughing to myself, like, I don't care what boundaries you have to cross, dude. He was just thinking of the most extreme in your head.

[B]

I hated pregame speeches. It didn't matter who it was. It could have been, like, the guy in Miracle, the coach in Miracle, given, like, the greatest speech before a game of all time when we beat the Russians. Like, I was not a big, like, pre game speech guy. I didn't need it. I didn't care for it. I would just. If I was his teammate, I know I would be, like, in my back of my mind, like, roll, like, rolling my eyes, like, all right, let's move on with this. Yeah, but there's something about when Jameis does it that, like, it does hold my interest. For a guy who hates pregame speeches, there's something about Jamis that I'm actually like, all right, keep going, dude. Yeah, have your moment. You know, I was.

[C]

I was a little bit like that. Anytime someone was, like, kind of nice on the mic, like, they gave a good pregame speech, I'd be front and center. Like, right, right. I'm ready to hear this. But when you let the guy be like, we all hear we brothers. It's like, all right, let's fucking. Let's go play the football.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Play for each other.

[C]

I get it.

[B]

We don't need anybody.

[C]

We're all we have. No one here believes in us. Like, I get it. I've heard all the things. Let's move on.

[B]

But you got coach game speech is better.

[C]

Yeah, dude. If I had a high school coach, Charlie Ragel, that would give these pregame speeches, and my eyes would be welting up before the game, like, I'm prepared to die for this, man. It was.

[B]

They were the greatest high school.

[A]

Greatest high schools ever.

[B]

That's a different. It all.

[A]

That's. That's. That's when you're ready, like, you're. You're. Any. Any. What any coach says can get you motivated in high school because it's Friday night. It's all these movies that are playing in your head. You want to go to the league, all this stuff. Like, that's greatness. But once you're there, it is. It's. We did have one guy, his name was Martial Spade, where he got people juiced up. He'd be like, the piece. We want war. And everybody would just be going nuts with them.

[C]

See that? That's a line to me. I'm like, oh. Like, he's doing, like, the next speech he gives. I'm gonna kind of shoot myself up to the front. Front a little bit.

[A]

Dude.

[B]

That is.

[C]

That's.

[A]

But then there's some that you're sitting there, like, Greg's talking about. You're like, all right, hey. Like, let's just get this. We had desean Goldston one year where he was. He was with us in Washington. Love D. Gold. Love D. Gold. But he was giving us a speech, like, after practice, talking about the upcoming game, and he back. I just got the phone with my boy. He was. He's in the military in Afghanistan. He. You know, he. He would have to pull the trigger on anybody. It could be little kids, could be a little girl. He's got to pull the trigger. Just when we go into this game this weekend, flip the switch, take the safety off. And I like, look to my. I like, look to my teammate on the left. I'm like, what, he wants to kill kids this week?

[C]

Dude, this is. This is textbook. You know, a bad speech is coming pre. Pregame. Everyone takes a knee. All right? Yeah. Our Father, Lord heaven, hallelujah. Like, you do the prayer, everyone kind of stands up. Coach hits you with something, like, Rabel would always kind of tell about, like, how the game is about to go. And he did a great job of, like, crystal ball in the game. He finishes. All right, bring it up. Let's get out of here. And someone goes, hey, I got something to say real quick. That's. That is the moment, you know, we are about to lose some juice right here. That's when you know is about to go downhill. And it's always a guy that almost had the C on his chest. Hey, I got something real quick. Let me. Ninja smoking. Fade to the back real quick as this is this, dude.

[B]

You can't be a topper.

[C]

You can't be a cherry on top guy, man. Yeah.

[A]

Everybody slowly puts their arm down, steps back.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It'S.

[C]

I got something to say. Oh, dude, here we go. Here we go.

[A]

Dude. How about the. How about the Rams just beating the hell out of the Bucks last night?

[C]

Donkey stomping, like. And here's a. This is a good example of, like, we talked about Shadur and, like, hey, now the haters are going to come for you no matter what. Baker Mayfield has found himself in this world where he was one of the most hated guy by the quote, unquote, media haters when he first got in the league. Now it's like, Baker can do no wrong. Like, he wasn't having a great game, ends up getting hurt, and the Rams run away with it. Everyone's like, if Baker stays healthy, let me get this team healthy. Like, this is a contending team. So your heart goes out to the Bucks. But Matthew Stafford, man, is incredible with 25 touchdowns, zero interceptions.

[B]

37 years old, it might be 27.

[C]

Excuse me. 27. 28. Oh, Mitch, over here.

[B]

25. How many?

[C]

Mitch, go ahead, hit the mic. What is it?

[B]

In the last eight games, Stafford has 25 touchdowns and zero interceptions.

[A]

He's a surgeon out there right now.

[C]

A surgeon.

[B]

He's unbelievable.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You got him as a front runner for the MVP race. I know. It's kind of him and Drake Mace, who? Everybody.

[B]

I think it's him and Drake. May I. I think a lot of that is starting to come into. And again, we got six weeks left, so a lot could change. But yeah, as of right now, it's. It's him and Drake May, I think, have separated themselves from the pack. They check all the boxes. Quarterbacks, top teams in the league. You know, they cover it all, I think variables. Coach of the year. Barring some catastrophe down the stretch. I don't. How do you. How does he, you know, turning around the Patriots and literally one season is pretty remarkable. But yeah, I mean, watching Stafford play last night, it wasn't too long ago back in August, there was a lot of people saying, is this guy ever going to play again?

[C]

Right.

[B]

He can't practice, he's out six weeks, he can't move, he's got a back. And now not only is he playing on one of the best teams in the league, if not the best team in the league, he's the best player in the league and he's starting games 11 for 11 and he's letting it rip. And Devonte Adams looks like Devonte Adams at five years ago and Puka Nakua and running this McVeigh offense. So yeah, he's, he's incredible. They. They won that game we did a couple two weeks ago, that great game against Seattle. Neither offense played particularly great. Obviously, he just didn't turn up. Stafford just did a nice job not turning the ball over and they did just enough to win the game. But his entire body of work. Yeah, if I, If I'm, if I'm casting a vote right now, I'm ca. I'm voting for him.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

He's a beast dude.

[C]

And I cannot wait to see the rematch of those two teams play because, yes, Sam Donald has four interceptions in that game and they still have a field goal to go and win it at the end. Those are the two teams in my head, especially with the Eagles absolutely fumbling club. Look at me fumbling a 21. Oh, like they're up 21.

[A]

They haven't blown a 21 point lead since 1999.

[C]

Oh, I was eight. I mean, that was. Greg was in college. That's crazy.

[B]

High school.

[C]

I mean, it's just those are the two teams in my head that it's like, oh, this is going to be the representative out of the nfc. They are. They're that good. You see the Seahawks step up from a defensive standpoint when they played the Rams, they're getting that many turnovers. It's. It's beautiful to Watch the NFC west right now. They are, they're beautiful.

[A]

What do you, what do you make of. Let's just get on the topic of the Eagles. What do you, what do you make of the Eagles?

[B]

Man, they are a tough nut to crack, I'll tell you. I've had them a couple times this year and I've gone into the game saying, I don't know why they're not better on offense. You know, they got A.J. brown and Devonte Smith and Saquon Barkley and, you know, two of the best tackles in football and a really good offensive line. And Jalen Hurts is a Super bowl mvp. I would find myself going into games and being like, then why aren't they better? Like, what is missing? Why is this not a consistent high flying offense? And I had them early in the year against the Rams. They did nothing in the first half and then in the second half they absolutely exploded. And they come back and they beat the Rams. And I walk out of the stadium, I'm like, they're really good, right? They're figuring out Vikings and it was probably the best game Jalen Hurts has played all season long. He was incredible. He was letting it rip. Passing game. Then they get Saquon going after. They kind of spread everybody out and I walk out and I'm like, okay, they're pretty good. So, like, every time I see them in person, I walk out of the stadium saying, they're wildly talented. They're really hard to beat because they don't have just one path to victory. They can beat you defensively, they can beat you on the ground, in the air. They can win close games, they can win low scoring. They've won some shootouts. They're just a tough beat. But then you watch them on a larger scale, you watch them over a larger sample size and you just say there's something missing. Like, why is a team with that roster and that depth and that pedigree of coaching and the amount of wins that they've had, like, why are they so up and down? Why is there so much drama coming out? Why is there a story every single week coming out of the locker room? It just. I don't get it. I'm a huge Sirianni guy. I love him. I love that he wears his emotions on his sleeve. He's got a little shit to him. I like that. I don't need my coach to be a choir boy. Like, I, I like he's got some fire and shit to him. I just can't put my finger on why it's such a roller coaster and why it's such a wild ride. Because personnel wise, I think. I don't know, is it the turnover of the offensive coordinators every year? They've had five coordinators over the last couple. Like, maybe it's that. Maybe it's. I really. They're one of the few teams that I just have a really hard time coming up with, like a concrete. Here's what they are. Because every time you think you do the next game, right, they're the complete opposite, right?

[A]

It's because I've been. I've kind of been trolling the Eagles fan base all year long because, like, I'm with you. Like, I've always felt something when you're watching the game. To me, it's like they don't have as near as good of a running game as they did last year. Which it's like, okay, say they take a step back. You still got Saquon Barkley. You still got a pretty decent line of scrimmage. Is it the play calling, the simplicity of it at times? Is it tendency oriented? And then also it's like you. We all understand now that there is drama inside the locker room, whether it's with AJ And Jalen, with other teammates with. It all seems to kind of go around Jalen a little bit. And when you. When you put a microscope on Jalen's play, to me, when I watch Jalen hurts play, like, unless he knows exactly what he's doing with the football or a guy is just wide open in front of his face, he's not letting it rip. Like, his timing isn't always there. His timing is. Again, when he's. When he's. When he's on. I say in rhythm. I'm not saying he gets in rhythm all the time, but when he knows exactly what he's doing when that ball is snapped, he looks good. But the moment he hits the first, the. His first option gets taken away, or he's got to move his feet a little bit. He misses. Guys over the middle that are right. There would be tight windows where you see a lot of. A lot of quarterbacks still zipping those in. He doesn't take those chances. And so when you have that and you don't have a run game like that offense is very average. And it's crazy to say with the talent and the names that, the names that they have on that offense, defense, I think they play elite football. Like, they're good front, front to back. They got a lot of depth. They Got hogs up front. They got linebackers that can run and hit. They got DBs that can cover. Except for, you know, people kind of put a blemish on a Dory Jackson at times.

[C]

But again, he's played better, though. And he got hurt this past game.

[A]

Yeah, he got hurt this past game. But their defense plays really well. And when it's all. When it comes down to the offense and you're not going to be able to run the ball with Saquon Barkley, dude, if you're not getting the ball out fast with Jalen or just taking these random shots downfield at times. Again, when he knows what he's going to be doing with the football. Like, they're a very average team.

[C]

No, I agree. I think it goes. You have to look at two specific things because you're right. You point out the roster. They have an offense, Greg. Like, there should be no reason for them not to be successful in the NFL. They are like an all star cast their offense. Lane Johnson's obviously gone down. But there's two things to me. You look at. You look at Jalen hurts the way you just explained, or you look at who the OC is and how they're calling the games and how they're schematically, like, getting these players open because you have aliens on both sides of you. And Goddard, like, you have a good. You have a good tight end also, and you have the protection. So to me, it's like, all right, it's either going to be the OC or it's got to be the quarterback that's not doing what they're supposed to be doing. Because it's. It is the most confusing offense to look at. What Clump and I were ticks, Matt, yesterday. It's like, at this point, you know, the Cowboys are starting to come back. I'm like, they're gonna win. But it's like, this is the most boring offense to watch when you have these aliens. It should be one of the more exciting offenses to watch. But you're right. Like, he does not. If his first. If his first read is not open. It's like you have no idea what's going to take place.

[A]

Yeah. Like. And again, people might be thinking, I'm just like, pulling this out of thin air, too, because again, I'll troll some fan bases at times, but if there's like. There was like 8:52 on the clock yesterday in the fourth quarter. He had the tight end. I got her. Whoever the tight end was, if he just rips out of the middle. He's got an easy completion right there. And then the very last play of the game, Dallas is in cover one and his first reads not open. He has enough time to still rip the ball before he gets hit or before he takes a sack, whatever happened on that last play. But devonte Smith. Whoops, whoops, oh, buddy. For a corner route. And he just doesn't, he doesn't rip the ball because he's not taking those chances. Right.

[C]

Anytime you go back and watch that film and you see where Jalen hurts, throws it, you see receivers open and other and other parts of the field and it's like, it's tough. Greg, what are we doing here?

[B]

Here's. Here's the one big thing that I'll leave. And this is not so much specifically about Philly as much as it's just like a general observation around the league going from one year to the next. There's a couple things that are sustainable and a couple things that inevitably regress back to the mean. One of them is defense in general, the ability for that defense to take the ball away. And then the other thing is the explosive nature of a run game. Typically those things don't. Last year over year over year, there's some sort of like anomaly of a season, right? You're just talking about Minnesota. Last year they had 33 takeaways. This year they have nine. It's the same defensive coordinator, give or take, a lot of the same guys. I know Grnard's missed some times, Ben Ginkel missed some times. Last year, he was incredible. So there's always nuance, but that's the NFL, right? You're not going to have the same health track record. You're not going to have the same people at every position year over year. It's hard to rest your hat on those elements. The one element of NFL football that for the most part carries over year after year after year is really high level quarterback play. Really good quarterbacks, range of outcomes is typically smaller. They could have better years or worse years in some sort of level of, you know, there's a spectrum of their performance, but it's typically not the same regression from top tier quarterbacks, top tier running games. It's going to be up and down the ability of a defense to defend points given up historically. Like it just those things don't typically last over long periods of time. So we're seeing a regression in the ability to take the ball away. You're seeing a regression in the explosive runs that really powered their Super Bowl. Run. And then obviously Jalen Hurts was awesome in the super bowl and was the MVP. But Saquon ripping off 65 yard touchdowns, what seemed like every single playoff game he ripped off two against the Rams to beat them or else they go home. It's just hard to count on that. You're just not going to get that over long periods of time, over multiple seasons in a row. Regression is real. And if you're built your team around those things, you better strike while you're riding the high. Because no matter how much you coach it, you can't guarantee how turnovers come and you can't guarantee explosive run plays. It just doesn't work like that. And the Eagles are one of 100 examples going on around the league where teams aren't as good as they were last year and people are trying to figure out why.

[A]

You broke that down really well, really well. Because I always hate to like it. When you start to like zoom in on a team, then you have to zoom in on certain players and then you also, it's like you have to like nitpick their game a lot. Like you kind of bringing it back out and taking a couple, taking a couple samples from explosive runs and turnovers and everything else, how it all marries together. It's like there's another element there too that stays true and that's high level quarterback play. You broke that down really well. Just wanted to say that.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Yeah. Giving the flowers. I think this might be the last game before we let you go. But the Chiefs keep their playoff chances alive. They play against the Colts, they go to overtime, they end up winning, beating the Colts 2320 at home. Will, and this is just a note, Will getting cooked for his Chiefs, no playoffs take. Does he still believe they won't make it? That's a question for Will. But the Chiefs are down 11, right? And they rally back. Make it. They're down 20 to nine. Rally back, go to the. Go to the overtime. And they end up winning that game. What is this the. Is this the Colts fumbling the bag here? Willie, Is this the. Is this the Chiefs that they're. Hey, they're actually just that good defense. I'll let you take this one first before we go to Greg.

[A]

The Chiefs are the most formidable opponent I have ever faced in my life. I've been hunting this team for a few years now, and anytime you feel like you got them dead in the rights, they avoid it somehow. And they looked good on that comeback yesterday against the Colts. Couple penalties there that you can Start to grab. Here comes the referees for the Chiefs now.

[C]

This is, this is Elmer fudding Bugs Bunny to a T. Like we've seen this battle before, but keep going.

[A]

Yeah, look, I, I, you know, Willie, see, I personally don't have him making the playoffs. Like there are still many opportunities on the board left. It's going to start getting tight. I'm going to start getting a little bit more uncomfortable in the pocket. But I've lived in this lane so long, I got to stay in the lane. So I'm going to. I don't have them making the playoffs. Colts had a tough beat. No T against a good Chiefs football team in Arrowhead. Colts are gonna have to take care of business this weekend against the Texans because they could find themselves in a little bit of a, a dust up there in the AFC south that we were talking about earlier. Yeah, but I'm not, you know, look, you can't hit them all. You can't hit them all. Yesterday I thought it was going to be, I thought I was going to take an ass whooping all day long. I was on ESPN national television, just telling all the families in Kansas City, get ready for your children to start asking for Bo Knicks jerseys. Chiefs dynasty's over. Rome is fallen. You're not going to make the playoffs since 2014. Now there's a heartbeat there. I also was on national television talking about Dallas Cowboys are going to beat the Eagles because again, I'm bad at picking against the Eagles. The Eagles been stuffing it down my throat week in and week out. But I saw something with the Dallas Cowboys. It looked real bleak yesterday when the, when the Cowboys were down 21 nothing but to get that win out at the end of the night, that felt good. But as far as the Chiefs go, I still, look, they're still in a division that the Broncos are going to win. They're still going to have to battle in the wild card spot with the Chargers. You're looking at Jaguars, you're looking at the Texans. Who else in the AFC that could they be? Steelers or Ravens? You could go, you know, you can.

[C]

Go either now winning that division. Right.

[A]

But they're going to be in a wild card hunt. The Chiefs are, as they try to make the playoffs. So it's kind of the only thing I can hang my hat on is okay, they beat the Colts. They were at Arrowhead. They will not be at Arrowhead come playoff time.

[C]

So if they make the playoffs, is that, do you win the war? They make the playoffs, but they get kicked, they get bounced in the wild.

[A]

Card, there's still a job to be done and that's keeping them from winning the Super Bowl.

[C]

Okay, so that, that's the, that's the farther goal post, your first goalpost. Let's keep them out of the playoffs.

[A]

Yeah. First one you're going to do. I'm going to do whatever I can to keep this team out of the playoffs, Greg.

[B]

Well, let's just talk about. And again, I just, I catch the recaps of most of these games but like the, the main tipping points of what kind of determines the outcome. And I think Shane Steichen, if it wasn't for the job variable is doing, I'd probably say Shane Steichen is the coach of the year because I don't think anybody in a million years thought that the Colts would be having the season that they have had with Daniel Jones and the resurgence of his career. And coming off the, you know, the poor drafting of Anthony Richardson or the poor development, whatever you want to classify that being, obviously that was a miss. And then they bring in Daniel Jones and they're having a great year. They look like they're on their way to the playoffs and they've had some great games. But you look at the end of that game, you have the ball on the plus side of the 50 with 4ish minutes to go, up by 3 on 4th and 4. And you punt.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it feels safe. It feels like I don't have to answer for this. Hey, the defense has to do a better job getting a stop. Hey, we got to execute in overtime. If you give the ball to Patrick Mahomes to go the long way, even if you fail and you give him the ball and he goes down and kicks a field goal, you're probably getting the ball back.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Or he goes down and scores a touchdown to take the lead, you're going to get the ball back. But now you punt. And I don't know exactly where he took over. Let's say it was a good punt and it's inside the 1510 yard line and you pin him back. That's the idea of punting from the plus side of the field. If he scores on you, he probably took up all of it or it's at least under the two minute. By the time he scores by field goal or touchdown, you're not going to possess the ball. And sure as hell, what do they do? They take a long methodical drive, they run the clock all the way down, they force, they kick a field goal, they force overtime and Indianapolis Never touches the ball again in regulation. So again, once you get to overtime, the variance is out the window. Right? Overtime is a whole new game. The idea is to make decisions that give you the best chance to win in regulation. You don't punt fourth and four on the plus side of your opponent's team with a three point lead with four minutes, you just can't do it.

[C]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

You just can't do it. And if you fail and they go the short way and you lose, you've got to stand at the podium and you've got to eat it. Like, like Dan Campbell does multiple times, you got to eat it. But this whole notion of like I'm going to let my defense win it, I'm going to play field position, it's a crock of shit. It teams are continuing to lose and lose and lose because they don't want to stand up there and face the music. If it goes the wrong way, they'd rather you lost anyway. But now you, hey, we got to play better defense. Hey, we got to do a better job in overtime. Hey, we got it. But if you fail on fourth and four and you lose, the only question you're being asked is why did you not punt?

[C]

Right?

[B]

And coaches are uncomfortable, they don't like it. And this is not unique to Shane Steichen. It's pretty much every coach around the league with the exception of a couple. Yeah, it drives me insane.

[A]

And you, you, you give, you know, another asset to the Chiefs, like one of their weaknesses throughout the entire season is running the football defenses on the field that long. Now their weakness becomes they're able to compliment more and it can become a strength. Like Kareem Hunt ends up, they end up running the ball well at the end of the game because the defense was on the field for like 80 something plays. They're drained. So now you're getting a check attack by this Chiefs offense who's not very good at running the football. Now they can basically do everything to you, right? Especially going in ot because one thing.

[C]

That Gray doesn't like, which is running the football, the thing that the, the Chiefs did is they said, well, hold on, they, they sat back and they said from the beginning of the game to the end of the game, we are going to establish the run as a threat that the Colts have to defend. And they did that and it paid off dividends for them because the Chiefs with the way they've kind of changed their game is like they used to be able to splash. Hey, we're going to hit you with X play after X play we're going to march on the field and a minute and a half and we're going to get a touchdown. We're going to move on now. Our defense is going to stand up. The Chiefs have had to change a little bit and you see it most prominent in this game against the Colts is from the first snap to the last snap. They utilized the running back as a weapon for them to get them into third imagable and keep the chains moving. They killed them with time of possession. So if you're stuck in. I agree with everything you said. Greg is like you're fourth and four at this point. I think we can all agree if you're between the 40s, you don't punt anymore. Like you, you have to, you bend the knee, you live and die by the sword and you continue to play the game that way. And I think if you go for it like hey, you get it, you're able to probably win that game. You're going to kick three or you're going to end up scoring a touchdown. If you don't get it, you have a lot more time. Like you're pointing out you're have one, two, maybe even three minutes left to go and put a drive together to have a game winning field goal. So I, I hate it for stiking because if he doesn't get it, it's like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. But like how are you going out? You know that you're not the way you're out. The, the, hey, I'm gonna die on my sword way and the die in my sword way is going for it on fourth. But run the football. That's a huge win for the Chiefs.

[B]

Yeah. And the answer is really easy. Hey, why did you go for it there? Why not punt? The answer is because I'm kicking the ball to arguably the best player of the last of the generation. We've seen him time in time and time again go down there and find a way to at least tie that game up.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So by giving them the ball at the, you know, when they possess the ball at the minus 45, 40, whatever it ended up being as opposed to the minus 10. The likelihood of after they tie the game up the I now will get another possession because the goal is not to go to overtime. The goal is to win in regulation. There is no forcing overtime. That is not part of any of these decision processes. And if they are, the coaches are wrong every Decision is about. I want the game to end in regulation with me winning their run game. They ran the ball 41 times for 148 yards, 3.6 yards of carry.

[C]

Love it. Love that.

[B]

That is.

[C]

I love, I love that.

[A]

Give it to him, Greg.

[B]

They threw for 352 yards.

[C]

Balanced offense. Love it.

[B]

No, but the part everyone's forgetting is it's not about ball control. It's not about time of possession. It's about how many points can you score. And until they kicked a walk, an end of game like walk off to send to overtime field goal only because the, the Colts decided to give you the ball back. They had 17 points.

[C]

Greg, I love where you're coming from. Here's what I'll say.

[A]

Dude, you can't.

[C]

You are playing, you're playing running the.

[B]

Ball for three and a half yards. I don't care if you ran the ball 250 times. You can't run the ball for three and a half yards 40 plus times and think you're going to score any points. You can't score points.

[C]

Greg. If you were playing a team that is number one in every major category on the offensive side of the ball, you as the Chiefs and Andy Reid has sit back and go, okay, can we go point for point with them? The answer to that is no. So how do you beat a team that puts points on the board fast often?

[B]

I get it. Indianapolis has to be aggressive on offense is my point.

[C]

Okay, I'm just making sure, just making sure we're on the same page. I love it.

[B]

No, I never fault the inferior team for playing low possession ball control. I, I get that whole argument. That argument is going to be you're not going to win any meaningful games. You might win that game like that is not a recipe for winning over long sample sizes. My argument is if I'm Indianapolis and I'm Shane Steakin, I'm not giving the ball back to Mahomes. I don't care if they had two points the whole game. We've seen Mahomes in those moments kill people and just end their dreams and go down and, and do what he did yesterday, regardless of how the rest of the game goes on. But to pretend that running 41 times for 148 yards is a sustainable model for winning NFL games over long periods of time, it's just not. Now you want, you want to show me a run game that did matter Yesterday? Jameer Gibbs?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

17 times for 200 and something yards. That's a great run game. Yes. That's a better run game than a passing game. Yes, but he's averaging 10 yards a carry.

[C]

I agree with you. If we go back to the Chiefs and the Colts, the thing that makes Andy Reed so great is he evaluates not only the team he's playing against, but the team he has and he's okay. Where does our best line up against their best? And from an offensive standpoint, offense versus offense, it did not play well. I don't disagree with you that running the ball 41 times a game for 3.6 yards per carry is a sustainable thing throughout the season. However, if that is what it calls for to catch a W, then that's what you need to do. Now, if they go and play the Raiders next week, if I'm the Chiefs, I'm like, well, yeah, we don't need to run.

[A]

The Chiefs got to go to Dallas next week.

[C]

Yeah. And if I'm, if that's, if that's the case, if Chiefs have to go to Dallas next week, I'm thinking now we open it up because yeah, the defense has played well for the, the Cowboys the last couple of weeks, but our best is better than their best. And so I trust Patrick Mahomes ripping the ball down the field versus the Cowboys defense as opposed to holding time, possession, and those sorts of things. So I'm with you. And I'm also.

[B]

And, and, and do you think for as good as Spags is and as good as the Chiefs defense is, and I think they're really good. Do you think 17 points is enough to beat the Dallas Cowboys?

[A]

No, no, no.

[C]

I think it's a different football team. You're playing a different football team.

[B]

Yeah, I get it. I. I don't know. I just. You know, we heard this last night a thousand times. Listening to the Rams game, it's like, man, everyone's so worried about this Rams running game and this passing attack. They had 31 points at halftime and they had 22 yards rushing.

[C]

Rushing. Yeah.

[B]

The notion that people are scoring all these points because he's stupid.

[C]

You're moving the goal post on me. I'm saying, what does the game call for as a coach and in the Chiefs, the best way for them to win was eat up top possession, run the force, feed the football in that from a ground game perspective because for whatever reason, your receivers, you don't have the ability to push the ball from it from an X play standpoint down the field and the offense on the other side of the field, they're number one in every major Statistic every category. So you have to keep their offense off the field by eating up time, position. How do you do that? Run the football 41 times.

[B]

No, no, I get that. Hence the. The original. No, I, I agree with what you're saying.

[C]

So are we saying. Are we agreeing or are we agreeing.

[B]

Back to what I said about what Indianapolis did? You're Shane Steichen. You have an opportunity for the knockout shot. You've got the ball. Plus side, four minutes to go in the game. Why give the ball back? Give your offense, this offense that everyone's, you know, you're saying is like so amazing and they're the best in the league. Give them an extra down to pick up the first down and now you come out of the game and you win. Whatever. To 17. And what's the converse? Is the conversation this morning with Kansas City. Man, that run game really did. No, the conversation is their offense can't score any points.

[C]

Right. I'm with you. And I agree with the 4th and.

[B]

4, the Colts, all that bigger picture at play. Like, that's my greater. The thing that I just continue to try to pound from the rooftops because in the, in the postseason when all the shitty teams are out and all the bad teams are out and it's only the good teams now, defense, run game, ball control, turnover, battle field position. Yes. All of that now has a much greater impact on the outcome of the game because for the most part, you're only left with the good teams.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

In the regular season, if you can't throw the ball consistently week in and week out, you will not score enough points to win.

[A]

I agree. Yeah, Greg too. It's. You're like the recipe. Give them another down to go out there and get a new set of downs. Or if not. And the Chiefs go down and score. Unless you give that offense another opportunity for a series.

[C]

Every, every.

[A]

Of course, everything points.

[C]

Every good team in the league is.

[B]

Doing with every good defense. Seahawks, the Eagles, to a degree, the Rams. They're playing nickel and dime. They're saying, I want you to run the ball. Remember the. The question everyone needs to ask themselves that if you just take a step back and say, okay, what's the easiest way to formulate this? If you ask defensive coordinators, hey, you call the plays. You now get to call the plays that you're going to defend. What types of plays will defensive coordinators choose to defend? 3 and a half to 4 and a half yard runs. That sounds amazing to every D coordinator in their league. They will sign up for 40 of those tomorrow. So why would you do it? Yeah, what does they want you to punt? They want you to kick a field goal from fourth and goal to four. The question should be what does the other side want me to do? I'm going to do the opposite. Yet we continue to see teams all across the league make decisions that are actually in agreement with their opponent. What the opponent would choose them to do for them over and over and over again. Love this ball and it's all emotion. It feels right, it feels tough. I feel like I'm a tough team because I can run. I feel tough because I can defend the run. You're not going to run the ball down my throat. You're going to score in two plays instead of 10. That's what people like. It's just so stupid.

[C]

No, I'm with you on everything.

[A]

It's so.

[B]

It's so emotional and football people don't like having their toughness questioned. And for 20 plus years we've had it force fed down our throat. The value of stopping the run and the. And it's nonsense. I'm gonna stop 50 yard runs. I'm gonna stop Jameer Gibbs running for 220 on 17 carries. Yes. I need to stop that. I don't need to stop. 41 for 148. That's great. Patrick Mahomes threw for 352 yards.

[A]

I feel like he's yelling at us now.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I'm not yelling at you.

[A]

I know, but I feel like we've.

[C]

Got to the point where we're all on the same page. We're all agreeing at this point.

[B]

No, I love you. This is not you. I'm yelling this to the ether. You guys just give me the platform to do this.

[A]

I love being in this position, feeling like my head ball coach is talking to me and really giving me a life lesson.

[C]

Best ball coaches. There might be a. A million people in the room. If he makes it feel like he's just talking to you. That's a good ball coach.

[A]

Like Greg. Yeah, Greg. Greg is right. But I'm still going to walk off this bus saying we need to stop the run this week. Like I'm still going to do it knowing that he is right. And I also enjoy a nice. I enjoy a nice little take the points phrase. I won't like Greg. I like a little take the points phrase.

[C]

Yeah, but you're not a position to take the points.

[B]

Dallas 21, 21 Chance to kick the field goal at the. I don't know what was it? The 5, 4. Where were they when they kicked it? When they decided to go for it?

[A]

I wanted him to take the points.

[C]

Will is always going to take points.

[B]

Not always. Let me see what. There's a lot of yard line.

[A]

There's a lot of situation. Yeah, they were like inside the five because CD Lamb dropped that ball in the end zone.

[C]

CD Lamb was killing himself for that too.

[A]

I know. At first he was mad at Dak and then it's like coming realization. I gotta catch that football. Yeah, I was just thinking the CD Lamb. CD Lamb, Eagles moment.

[B]

It was fourth and goal at the six.

[A]

What are you doing there, Greg? Take the points.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm sorry. That was the Giants game. Hold on, we're talking. So Giants had fourth and goal at the six. That's a different animal. Hold on, let me do Cowboys. What? I want to know what yard line they were on. Yeah, I know it was goal to go. I just don't know what yard line it was on. They were on the. Oh, Fourth and goal at the one.

[C]

Oh, yeah, you gotta go, was it the one?

[B]

Not even a question.

[A]

You have to go, was it the one? Let me fact check.

[C]

I'm going off of what Greg just said.

[B]

Yeah, it was, it was fourth and goal.

[A]

So I under.

[B]

Okay, they were first in goal. Here's what the sequence was. First and goal at the eight. Positive six yard gun gain. Second and goal to two. One yard run. Third and goal to one incomplete. Fourth and goal to one incomplete.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, you have to go for it.

[C]

If you were a fourth one.

[A]

That's where I'm checking the ESPN app and seeing that's, you know, they're, they're in goal line. I'm like, oh my. I'm like grinning. Text and clump. Get the clip ready. Get the clip ready. We're getting the kids the car. And then I open it up and say I see that they turn the ball over. I'm like, what the just happened right now?

[C]

What Think what yard line are you kicking? The three.

[B]

Goal to go, Situ. So, so remember now, the new field goal, the new extra point is. Sorry, the new kickoff rule is a huge factor here. So I, I'm at the one yard line. Let's say I'm at the five yard line. Anything inside the five yard line, just for this conversation and I fail. Right. That's worst case scenarios, I don't score seven points. All right? Right. But if I kick the field goal, I got three points, right? For those three points, I took a three point Lead. But instead of you now possessing the ball minus five to minus one, having to go the long way that either tie me or beat me, I kick off to you and let's say you get the ball between the 30 and the 35 yard line. I've given you 30 yards, maybe 33 yards, depending on the down. 30 to 35 yards of field position for three points. And you only now need to get two first downs and you just get your three points right back.

[C]

Yep, I see.

[B]

When you have the ball on the minus one, even though you possess the ball, I on defense actually have higher probability of scoring the next point than you do. Even if I don't have the ball. That's how advantageous it is to not take three points and then go do a kickoff. If this was 20 years ago and I'd kick a touchback and give you the ball at the 20, it's a different math equation. It's a whole different animal. But with the ball now being at the 35 and kickers being 60 plus pretty regularly, you're two first downs from just kicking it and tying me and we're all back to square anyway.

[C]

Right? And now you're going to.

[B]

So what did they do? They failed. They. The Eagles pick up a couple first downs, they eventually fail. Give the ball back now to the Cowboys and what do they do? They win in regulation. The goal is to win in regulation. It's not to play for a tie, it's not to play for overtime. And it worked out. Exactly.

[C]

Right now as I take the points guy, are you agreeing? Because everybody laid that out beautifully on.

[A]

The one yard line.

[C]

What about fourth and fourth? Five.

[A]

Fourth and five. I'm taking the points.

[C]

Fourth and after everything he just said.

[A]

After everything he just said in that game situation, because again, the way Dallas came out after they scored the 21, like Dallas's defense was playing on fire. Like it's three and out, three and out. Or they might get five plays, they're punting the ball. It's like punt, punt, punt, miss, field goal, fumble. Like the way Dallas was playing defensively, the way that they had the momentum and control that game. You go up threes 24, 21. Again, we're talking about fourth and five. I'm taking the points. That's where I'm taking the points. Because you're, you're now up, you're now. You're not winning, you're not winning the game, are you?

[B]

Ask yourself this. You take the field and the offense is take. Is in the huddle. They're in their own end zone because the ball's about to be snapped from the 5 versus you take the field after a either a kickoff return or a touchback, whatever you want it to be. God forbid you don't hit the landing zone and the ball's at the 40. But let's just say everything goes according to plan and the ball somewhere between the 30 and the 35. So we're talking 25 to 30 yard of starting field position difference. You take the field for it must stop. You cannot give up any points. Where are you more comfortable? The offense starting at the 5 or the 35?

[A]

The 5.

[C]

And listen like when an offense.

[B]

Great.

[C]

You can attest this when the offense is backed up like 50. The 10 yard line in back, the minus 10 and back. The goal of the offense is not to score points there. The goal of the offense is give the punter enough room to punt. If you're back, get a first down. That is the goal. Because then now you're thinking field position. You're not thinking as an offense.

[A]

We need to go first down right out of the gate.

[C]

After that they got a first down right out of the gate. But they got another first down. Then they failed.

[B]

All right, so stick with me here, okay? This is the second layer besides field position. When you take a three point lead there there was how much time left There was. They got the ball back with like 3:30. The affiliate possessed the ball after the failed fourth down at like 3:30 on the clock in the fourth quarter. They pick up a first down. They pick up a first down right above the two minute warning. Especially based on timeouts. You're in four down territory. So by being tied you are never now as an offense in four down territory until you cross midfield. But all of a sudden I take a three point lead by kicking a chip shot field goal. I kick you the ball. You get it now at the 30 or to 35 depending on the outcome of the kickoff. The entire time you possess the ball, Will. The entire time I possess the ball, you've got to defend four downs. Because I'm losing. I can't punt it back to you. The game's over. So I'm in 4 down mode until I get in field goal range. Because you kick the field goal, your odds of going to overtime in it just, it's. It changes because I got to defend a field goal. Try four down territory from the 35 yard line. That's pretty easy. You get the ball to minus five. What's Philly saying, hey, either we win the game, but we can't give the ball back to Dallas because we don't want to lose in overtime in regulation either. So you're not in four down mode. Your calls are a little bit more conservative. You're saying, hey, let's take it easy, let's get a couple first downs, get to the two minute warning, and then when we get around midfield, we'll go aggressive and we'll try to win this thing in regulation, but let's make it a walk off. They punt on fourth down. They take back to back penalties. So they punt on fourth down because it's not four down mode. You're not in must go mode. Because I'm now as an offense, I'm playing for overtime and my ability to take chances is significantly less than it was if I was trailing by three. So it's 30 yards of field position and you don't have to defend fourth down. This conversation is not even a conversation.

[A]

Well, it was because we just had it. We just had a conversation.

[C]

Huh?

[A]

He said it's not even a conversation. I'm just saying we just had a conversation. You think Greg just talked? Greg just broke that down for me in such football terms that now I'm like, okay, I can, you got to go for it on fourth and five.

[C]

On the goal line. And that is big by you. That's big by you because you're a big stand the batter's box guy. And if I'm in this batter box, I'm staying in this batter box. Chiefs that for Greg to break that down in a way for you to go, I understand that's huge. It's growth.

[A]

Yeah, it's, it's, I'll very much be dig my heels in the ground. Especially when people just throw the term analytics and you know, it's, that's what the analytics say.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But the way Greg just broke that down for me in football terms, the way the feeling, the momentum shifts, the way the game's getting called, the way you're thinking this in every situation. I just started to wrap my brain. I want to, I want to get out a notebook in a pen. I want to call Greg after this phone call and get in a real meeting and take notes and get better today.

[C]

That was great.

[B]

We could talk ball. We could talk ball all day. We had two teams yesterday, up three at the end of the game, Giants being one. I can't remember the other one. Up three. Go for it on fourth down because you don't want to be up Six. And it like blows people's minds.

[A]

Say that again. Say that situation again.

[B]

So you have the ball. Say it's. Say it's the same situation.

[C]

That.

[B]

That's just take the Philly Dallas game, because we were talking about it. Philly Dallas game. But instead of that game being tied, say it's fourth and goal at the one and. And Dallas is winning by three at the time of the fourth down. So they could kick a field goal to go up six or try to score a touchdown to go up 10.

[A]

Okay, following.

[B]

What are you doing?

[C]

You go. You go for the touchdown. Of course.

[A]

Yeah. There. I feel much more comfortable going for the touchdown because again, they need a field goal just to tie you because a.

[C]

All the things you just said, Greg, if you go and you take the three now you have six now you're still in a goal to go situation. And they know they have to get. If they score, it's over. They win the game. You're not putting. You're not putting the game away. So you have to.

[B]

You're better off being up three than you are six.

[C]

Right. Because now their mind goes to tie, not to win.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

Yeah, that's. This is. This has been my favorite conversation I've had with you. Breaking that down because I didn't know that with the kickoff rules, how much that's changed everything.

[B]

I think the kickoff rule has been so good. Yes. There's more returns. A bunch have been returned. What is it like four that have been returned for touchdowns?

[C]

Three, Something like that.

[B]

Yeah, there's been a couple, you know, the end of the game last week, Minnesota. Who was it? Minnesota? Chicago? Yeah, Minnesota. Chicago. Minnesota is winning. They kick off. Chicago returns the ball back to the plus side of the field and ends up kicking the field goal to win in the last 30 seconds of the game. Like the game, it has brought more impactful plays. I think the biggest role that it's had is it is changing how people treat the end of offensive possessions. Because kicking off is now no longer a formality. It's no longer kick it through the uprights and you get the ball. You know, it was the 20, then the 25, then the 30, and now it's the 35. And if I don't kick it in the landing zone, it's the 40. And it just keeps getting closer and closer to midfield, where the advantage of kicking off is after a field goal is not what it used to be.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah, I. If, you know. But now you're seeing all these long field goals. Obviously that's a huge weapon. Short chip shot field goals to then get your opponent for three points. To let your opponent get out of the shadow of their goal post to possess the ball at the -35 as opposed to inside their own 10. I would just argue over the course of the season it's just not worth to give up that field position for field goals which we all know field goals are going to get you beat.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. It's going to take a few more of these episodes, but then there'll be a situation that comes up to where now you guys we it all comes back to that run pass pass game dilemma you and Greg are in right now.

[C]

Right. The I think Greg and I are saying similar things about the run game. We're just looking at it with a different lens.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You love running the football.

[C]

I think wearing the football is effective. Yeah. I think it all all depends. It's strategic on the team you're playing and what puts us in the best position to win the game. For the Chiefs, the best position to win is keeping their offense off the field, which is a very unique and uncomfortable situation for the Chiefs to be in because they're always the team that you want to keep their offense off of the field. Obviously I love to be in the lion situation where you run the ball 17 times for 200, 200 yards a game. But if you have a team that can effectively run the football, which is more than 3.6, even 4 yards per carry, if you have a team that can run the football effectively in a winning way and also throw the ball, that is a complete offense as opposed to we can beat you with our X plays because there's, I think there's more ways to defend the X plays than a team that you also have to worry about an explosive run game.

[B]

Like the Lions if you can't pop the big one going down the field, play after play after play after play of a run style offense, it is very easy to run the ball between the 30s as you and Taylor, you obviously know this better than anyone as you cross your opponent's 30 yard line and you get into like high red and then obviously into red, low red, all that. It becomes increasingly more difficult to run the ball because the field shrinks. Right. So there's not as much depth, there's not as much grass to cover, there's not as much ability to throw the ball over my head to back me up to run the ball. But in between the 30s I'm like, I'm not going to give up a 70 yard touchdown. So it's a little bit easier to run the ball. There's more space, there's more, there's more gaps in the defense and whatnot as you get closer to the end zone, if you can't throw the ball. My space is now progressively getting smaller and smaller as I approach the goal line. So I'm making. I'm entering an area of the field where what I'm doing to get here becomes progressively more difficult, which is why throwing the ball ends up scoring more points. Unless I can score from the 40.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

If I can score from the 40 or the 50 yard line, it doesn't matter what yard line I snap it from. That's obviously a great play. But to go the. So I did the Green Bay game yesterday, right? Opening drive of the game, the first Green Bay possession, they go down, second down pass, really overboom, touchdown. The rest of the game, they ran the ball great. Emmanuel Wilson was a dog. He was running through the Vikings. They couldn't stop him. They scored a touchdown drive on their first drive, first possession of the game. They had three offensive possessions in the first half. And in the second half, they ran it down their throat. Field goal. Down their throat. Field goal. The only other touchdown that Green Bay scored in a game that they dominated, the only other touchdown they scored other than their opening possession touchdown drive was the guy on the Vikings went to block a punt that bounced at the five. He went to block the gunner, the ball bounced and hit him in the foot. And Green Bay recovered the ball like inside of Minnesota's five yard line and just handed it off for a touchdown.

[C]

Right.

[B]

So they dominated the game. They ran it up and down the field. You can't score touchdowns.

[C]

Yeah. Because it condenses the field once you get over the 30. Another thing, to your point too is when you're watching the Chiefs and the Colts play, when the Chiefs are running the ball as much as they're running the ball, at no point, as the viewer, as the Colts, as a fan, are you thinking, man, the Chiefs are real close to breaking one right now on the ground. You never think that. To me it was just. It was a 60 minute chess play. Yeah, it was a 60 minute game of chess, which is.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, obviously you have to throw the ball to get more points. I agree with that.

[B]

The longest run, they had an 18 yard run, they had a third. So Kareem Hunt had 30, 30 carries, he had an 18 yard run. His average was three and a half yards of carry.

[C]

Chess.

[A]

Greg's like, it's not a winning formula.

[B]

If you asked.

[C]

There's not a winning formula, but it is for that game.

[B]

If you asked Lou. Oh God, I always mispronounce his last name. The D coordinator who was in Cincinnati, who's now, what's it? Anaruma. Lou Anarumo.

[C]

Lou Anarumo.

[B]

Anaruma. That's okay. I want to disrespect. He's a great coach. I don't want to disrespect by mispronouncing his name. If you asked him, do you want Kareem Hunt to run the ball 30 times for 3 yards of carry or Patrick Mahomes have the ball in his hands regardless of how good the passing game is. And would you rap? Which would you pick?

[C]

I would pick run the ball, the 30 carries.

[B]

Of course you would. And that's why offenses are doing what defenses want them to do, which I think is a dangerous game.

[A]

Fascinating. Boys, do we have any other. We have any other combos with. With Greg?

[C]

What's your off season training look like right now with the kids?

[B]

I'm glad you asked. We got like 20, we got a good group. I'd say give any day 20 kids, seventh and eighth graders. Group's gonna shrink. And you know, some kids are playing winter sports, some kids, you know, so there's a little kind of fluctuation of, of who. But give or take 15 to 20 kids Monday through Thursday, 6:30 before school, weight room, shred mill, track, all sorts of four days a week training, 6:30 to 7:15. Our kids are grinding.

[A]

We got them in a hypertrophy mode. You're really breaking them down so that way you can build some muscle mass.

[B]

I like that. I will. I like that. Yeah, dude, there. I don't go to the workouts. We have a really good strength and conditioning coach at school who he handles it. So I just drop the kids off and let them go do their thing. But dude, 45 minutes a day for 13, 14 year old kids four days a week. It's amazing how much they can get done. It's amazing how much they can learn. And it's not even about like how much weight's on the bar, how much weight. It's just learning how to be in the weight room, learning how to load the rack, learning how to be on time, learning how to go through a warm up, learning how to like there's so many lessons that are built in a weight room that have nothing to do with how much I can bench press. Or back squat that for these seventh and eighth graders to get an early kind of look at what that looks like. It's such. This is the first year we've ever done it. We don't typically start our football workouts until the spring. So for our kids to start this and go all winter, then we'll take the holidays off and then come back for the start of the second semester and go through, you know, late winter, early spring, I think it's going to pay off as we get rolling for next year.

[A]

Yeah, you're going to jump on the opponent. How's your tone, man?

[B]

Yeah, set the tone from the ground up.

[A]

What's your boy pushing these days? What is he got on the rack right now? What are we talking here? We got, we got 135 on the bar yet. You know what?

[B]

I'm not sure I think, which I agree with. I'm not sure if they've ever done straight bar bench. I think all they're very smart, prone, pressing type exercises. I believe they're all using dumbbell, kettlebell.

[C]

Smart, smart.

[B]

I, I could be wrong on that. When they get home from school. Well, they're not in school today, but when they get home, when they go back again, I'm gonna ask them, but I don't think they do straight bar bench, but I have to ask them. I, I believe it's all dumbbell.

[A]

Yeah. You boys, you boys doing some eccentric work in that weight room right now. We're in the wintertime, we're in phase.

[C]

One.

[B]

And everything in your body's just shaking.

[C]

Yeah, I love it.

[B]

Is there anything worse? And I think this is why I haven't gotten back into training. Like every week, driving home on the plane after I eat like Mike and Ike's and I drink soda in the booth and I've eaten a great steak dinner and I feel fat. I'm like, Monday, I'm getting back to training. I got a gym in my basement. Like, I'm going to start getting back in shape. I think I have, like, ptsd. Remember, like, in end of February, early March, when you started getting back into, like, your own workouts before, you know, you knew you had a couple weeks before OTAs and you're just going to get back. Going those first couple weeks felt like you've never worked out in your life, and it feels like you're gonna throw up, it's cold, your chest is burning you, and you're like, I'm never gonna get back. I think I had that, like, burned into my brain. I fear the first work. Now, picture I haven't done a in five years. That first workout, the fear of what I'm gonna feel like has prevented me from getting back in the weight room. But, like, that is real now, dog.

[C]

The first winter workout after you come back from Christmas break, let's say you don't make a bowl game and you're back from Christmas break. You've taken the week off, you've eaten, like, and you have a 6am and you walk out, and the indoor has cones and mats and towels and tires.

[A]

Everywhere, and you push.

[C]

You don't know exactly what's about to happen, but you know you're about to get your pushed in. There is not a bigger anxiety in the world than that moment right there. And just. And God forbid, you're the second group. Like, you're watching the boys come in, and there's always that there's tackle who's on the ground laying. Like, there's a couple trainers around him. Like, we got to cool him down. You're just like, oh, my God, there's.

[A]

A puker on the turf and somebody that's kind of like a leader. One walks by you like, hey, good luck with that one. And you're just thinking, oh, yeah.

[B]

Hey, how was it? Hey, how was it? It's like when you walk into that, like, social studies test, but you have it eighth period, and everyone before, he's like, it's the worst test I've ever taken. You don't know anxiety until you go to a 6am college football workout. And the unknown of not only what the workout's going to be, how hard is it going to be, how much am I going to get yelled at, but, like, am I gonna die? Like, is this the end of my life? In this moment, I'm scar. Like, that anxiety I still carry with me today. Hence why I don't, like, walk into my basement and go do a workout. I want to do workouts. I don't want to do the first workout.

[C]

Yeah, that's. Dude. And you, like, God forbid you do lower body after a couple weeks off and you go to sit on the toilet two days later, it's like, I might never. I might never move again, dude. My first couple years at Michigan, I did not. Like, I was in the position where you could choose when you work out. Like, if it was up to me, I like to go as early as possible, be the first one in so I can get it done. But when I was like a freshman sophomore, I would sit there and be like, hey, you're the eight o' clock group. There'd be like a six, seven, eight o' clock group. I would get there two hours before and watch the workout to mentally prepare what was about to happen to my body.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Because the thought of sleeping and being there 30 minutes before and not knowing was worse than just watching people die in front of me and be like, okay, I can handle this, I can handle that. That's gonna be the hard part. I gotta get past that. That's the part to get past, buddy. It's terrifying.

[A]

Like, is this an exercise that I put, you know, 80%, can I get by this one? Or the guys gonna look me in the eye and they're gonna know I'm not giving it my all. If I give it my all, is this the day where I like, look and I'm like, I can't do this anymore?

[C]

Because when you get older, Greg, the.

[B]

Thing you guys had was it was cold.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I think that makes it even worse.

[A]

It's more just the psychology, like, of it getting dark sooner, it being cold. And like, you're just so cozy in your bed when you wake up in the morning, you're like, we gotta go.

[B]

Do this 5:00am we were complaining our 5:00am like winter mat drills or whatever. I don't know if they even do that anymore now. But like at Miami, we would do it outside in, you know, January, February, January, whatever it was. And if it was like in the 50s, 60s, you're like, oh my God, it's freezing, the ground's wet and it was 50, 60 degrees by noon. It was 75.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And we thought that was cold, like doing that. Now I'm sure you guys had indoors. We didn't have indoor at Miami, so we did everything outside. In the summer, though, is where it really. You really tested your metal. Because it was a hundred, it didn't matter if you were the 7, 8. Everyone would fight to do the morning because it was too hot to do it at nine, you know, we would get. If we knew we had sandpit workout, we had this like big ass sandpit in the back of the athletic center. If you had the sand pit workout anytime past 8am so the sun had been up. If you didn't get out there early with all the boys and kick off the top layer of the sand before you took your socks and shoes off to go do the workout, not only were you going to puke, you were going to burn the bottom of your feet off. That was the shit. We'd wake up on and be like, all right, today's sand day. I got to get there 20 minutes early so I can clear the top layer of sand.

[A]

Yeah. Just. Just the thought too, in the winter of, how bad do you want this? When you're walking out of your house at 5:30 in the morning and snow is all over the car because you don't have your car in a garage because you're in a little townhouse or a dorm room, whatever, you're not smart.

[C]

Enough to like, put your windshield wipers up.

[A]

Yeah. And you don't. You don' self starter. So you can't walk out there. You got to turn the car on while you're getting snow in your shoes. You're scraping off the window. You're driving to the facility, and it hasn't even heated up in your car yet. You get out in Lincoln, Nebraska, and there's a side, like East Stadium, whatever side of the stadium, where wind is just smoking you in the face as you're walking in the facility of like, how bad do I want this life? Those are the moments that do test you as a man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Then you walk into that 6am and you got the sleds everywhere. Everything you were explaining earlier, the tires, the boys puking before the workout start or when the first group's over with. That is man, though, that.

[C]

That world you're living. For me, when I was in college, it was always like, playing the game. Like, I would be walk. I would. I would live close enough to the facilities where I would just walk. And I would think about how cold I am. But then in my brain, I'd be like, think of how much you're gonna wish you were cold in an hour or an hour and a half or 30 minutes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that game. So I'd be like, okay, this is not that bad because I'm there. And then once I would start the workout, I think to myself, bro, 45 minutes from now, it's over. Like, there's nothing to worry about anymore. Like, that type of, like, mental warfare game that you're playing with yourself is the best. It's a thing you look back on. You're like, I hate it. It changes. Like, your body is hurting because of what happened to you when you were younger that we're talking about right now. But it is what makes you a man. It is like, yeah.

[A]

Like, is my L4 and L5 deteriorating right now? Because I would. What we went through when we were in our college days. Yeah, absolutely.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's also part of Our detriment right now as old men, because we have that ptsd. Because there's nothing in our brain that is allowing us. This is what I'm trying to be graceful for. With. It's like, hey, Will, it's okay to just go in and exercise and get a sweat in. With some zone 2 or a light workout, like, in our brains. You have to get in there and get after it to the most extreme, like right out of the gate. That's why you won't walk into that basement. Because there's nothing in your brain that's saying, hey, it's okay to just go in and sweat just a little bit. No, you want to push yourself to the limits.

[C]

You want to.

[A]

Or do that eccentric work. You got to feel something. With the.

[B]

I'm going to die.

[A]

Yeah. With the delayed onset. With the. With the dom soreness. Yeah. Yeah. Like you. You're almost scared. Because we feel like we. That's. Those are the workouts we have to do to get back in it. But in the reality, boys, that's not what it is.

[C]

No, it is.

[A]

We just gotta. We gotta be okay with just going in and just getting some sweat in.

[C]

You're wrong.

[A]

That's how I'm trying to talk to myself right now. Because I'm a fat piece of. And I've been handling myself very poorly. Like, I just tell my wife, like, I've got to get. I've got to get. This is what I'm going to start getting after.

[B]

And then the next day, New Year's resolution with the boys.

[A]

That's every year. It's every year. And the New Year's resolution, That's where I'm like. That's where I just feel, like, immortal. Because. Do I. I don't want to be a New Year's resolution guy. Like, I want to get started. But I told myself last night I was going to get started today. I didn't. My youngest got sick. She threw up in the middle of the night. And then the 6am alarm hit and I turned it off.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I'm like, I've got to try and get some sleep.

[C]

Literally. Your morning was my exact morning. I was like, buddy says, I've had Greg. I don't know if you notice, I've had gout. And it's been so awful that I was legit horizontal for 72 hours to the point where I'm, like, learning how to walk again as a human. Like, as an adult. And I set my alarm last night. I was like, I'm Gonna wake up at six. I'm gonna hit the sauna, do the red light zone two cardio. I'm gonna get a workout in. I'm gonna get back into a rhythm. 6:00am Hit. Turn that to eight. And I was like, I'll see at 8aM And I. And didn't even flinch at it. To where the old me is like, you're a dude. Get up right now. And I would count down from three, and when I hit one, I would stand up and go do it.

[A]

So we're shelving ourselves, boys.

[C]

Like, you guys talk about being a fat place, boys. But we're all.

[B]

Hey, we're all in it together.

[A]

Yeah, we're all in it together.

[C]

You guys talk about being a fat piece of. I'm a skinny little right now. I've lost 20 pounds. I took my shirt off and looked in the mirror last night, and I look like Dan Orlovsky. I'm looking like Skeletor, dude. I look at my body dance.

[B]

Taking strays for no reason, you know, Dan dance.

[C]

He's deserved it. I'll say that. You've seen a couple.

[A]

I'd rather be Skeletor than having to grab my muffin top and wiggle it around and just be like, God, you are disgusting, Will. Yes.

[B]

And then you got my dog Luke, who's just absolutely yoked and strong. He lifts every day. He's dead lifting.

[C]

He's.

[B]

He is a monster.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He only eats clean. We'll go out for. I'll be like, hey, I'm gonna take a pizza and a burger. He's like, I'll take a Greek salad. I'm like, I hate you, but I love you.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. God, that you hate him because you.

[C]

Want to be like him.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, I wish I had your discipline. Because when we go to the beach this off season and we both go shirtless, like, my wife's gonna be looking at you.

[C]

And that's the shitty truth. But it's all good.

[B]

And I'm looking at you too, so it's all good.

[C]

100 is there. I feel like dudes like Jack dudes. Girls don't admire that more than, like, guys will be like, you see this fucking guy over here? This guy looks pretty good. Oh, your wife's just like, all right. He was like, no.

[B]

Every time I see look, I'm like, dude, you look great. Yeah, you gotta, like, pump each other up.

[C]

Got to.

[A]

We'll have to get an accountability buddy group check going on.

[C]

We have to just.

[B]

I feel like we have to like, hey, what'd you do this morning? When I get off this call right now, my wife and kids are out of town. I'm going to sit in the sauna and that starts the revolution. We're going to start small.

[C]

Send us a picture of the sauna.

[B]

All right, I'll text you guys. We'll start accountability.

[A]

I have accountability. Love you, Greg.

[B]

All right, boys.

[C]

Appreciate you. Great round of applause for Greg. Thanks, buddy. Hey, how about that lesson on the new kickoff rules?

[A]

And I loved it, loved it, loved all of it. Love, like, you know, because I, I'm just. I get in my ways of believing in defensive defense is playing well. Stop the run, play good defense, take the points. And yeah, I'm learning. I'm learning some good ball. Learn some good ball that, you know, I'll get to utilize it when I'm.

[C]

A head coach one day before we get into college. Oh, we have to do tear talk, too, but we'll do a couple tear talks. Jack, I want your opinion on the Titans game, please. I want. I want to hear about it right now. Right now.

[A]

Titans are such a waste of time, dude. Sorry.

[C]

Damn. That's.

[A]

I'm just thinking, like, that was the.

[C]

Most competitive game the Titans have played. That's the best they've looked all year.

[B]

Cam Ward looked great. Yeah, there was great signs.

[C]

They.

[B]

They need to keep Restrepo in there. I don't know why he hasn't been.

[C]

Playing at all when him and Cam both know the same schemes. They play so well together. They're just a good fit. He didn't do much. He almost had two opportunities to score.

[B]

One drop ball in the end zone.

[C]

Facing away from where I was, and.

[B]

Then one that was right on the goal line. But yeah, I mean, you don't really.

[C]

Go in with too much expectation. Like we stated the last few weeks.

[B]

I go in there just trying to get out alive.

[C]

Seahawks fans travel well.

[B]

Some people around me, you know, and you just have to take it on the chin.

[C]

But I felt encouraged, at least from Cam Ward's perspective.

[B]

He looked great.

[C]

He had a lot of promising plays. The scramble play where he was evading every single person, and then throws it cross body to Restrepo. It was fun.

[B]

I mean, back to back weeks playing.

[C]

Against two of some of the best defenses in the league is something that Titans fans should feel good about moving forward again. It's kind of a lose, lose situation.

[B]

Right now, being now 1 in 10. But I, for the most part, I enjoyed the game, even though I had.

[C]

No expectation to win, playing against good defenses. With the current state of the Titans.

[B]

I think it's something that we should.

[C]

All look forward to next year. Again, let's just move forward. We have another home game next week, so we'll see.

[B]

It's not much.

[C]

Can I tell you a vision that I had while you were Speaking? Please. It's 2029. The new stadium is open. We're currently in that last week in November, as we are right now, just in the future. The Titans are the number one seed in the AFC at this point. They're essentially like the Patriots we see right now. You're in the game, you've got your tickets, you're sitting there, and all around you is just Titans fans everywhere, wearing tight pants and the boots, and they got their little. The flannel jacket on, but they're not really. They're wearing a jersey, but it's very new and fresh. And you get to sit there with your old tattered jersey and your. Your Titans outfit you wear for the most part, and you get to lean back in your chair and go, these might be fans now, but I've been here since day one. And that is what you're fighting for right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And it juices me the up to think about you and these other, you know, East Nashville. I'm thinking about a bunch of East Nashville cats. Right. That's all I'm thinking about. We got nose rings. We got different colored hair. We got the boots. We got the. We got the flannel shirts on. They're dressing up for an event. You're dressing up for a game, and you get to sit back with them and be like, hey, we did it. Here we are.

[A]

We built this.

[C]

I built this.

[B]

And.

[C]

And all the colored hair, nose rings, boots, tight pants, they're welcome. Yeah.

[B]

We need fans in there, right?

[C]

People that believe in the organization, so hopefully it does.

[B]

I. I, unfortunately, I went to the game solo. Brother was out of town, dad couldn't make it.

[C]

My friend that I invited bailed on me last second. So just.

[A]

This is the. How bad do I want this situation.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

I walked into the game with headphones on.

[C]

Just.

[B]

I didn't take him out until I.

[C]

Sat in my seat. I was listening to the radio broadcast a little bit.

[B]

I met up with Buck at halftime.

[C]

He's like, there's no way you're listening.

[B]

To the radio broadcast.

[C]

I was like, I mean, I'm just.

[B]

Trying to just kill the time at this point.

[A]

But, yeah, it's that moment right there when you do conquer. It's. You weren't with me shooting in the gym.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When we were in hell.

[C]

Right. But people want to see the tip of the iceberg. They want to see all it takes to become the iceberg.

[B]

Very true. I'm definitely not going to be that fan, though.

[C]

God willing, we are a winning organization.

[B]

In our new stadium.

[C]

In years to come, I won't be.

[B]

The fan that's, like, you weren't here.

[C]

Like, don't come if you weren't here when we were losing. We need everybody. Right. Everyone. I don't see you being that fan in that situation. I see people being like, I'm the biggest Titans fan. And that's when that type of Jack, like, rears its ugly head.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You think you're a real fan. I was there in 2025.

[B]

I haven't been drinking at these games.

[C]

And I feel like I just see. See everything so clearly.

[B]

Like, my aggression, my aggression.

[C]

Sober Jack at a Titans game is crazy.

[A]

That is how bad it's been. Jack is sober.

[C]

You just got to feel everything at.

[A]

This during this one win season.

[B]

But I. I do think the.

[C]

The best thing to take away from.

[B]

It is Cam Ward looked great, and DK is going to be an All Star for us as long as we.

[C]

Can keep him healthy.

[B]

He has been great.

[C]

It's funny because in the last, I.

[B]

Think, three games, we've had four total touchdowns. Two of them have come from Shamira.

[C]

Two of them have come from our offense, so it's fun. Cam Ward got himself a td. He was fighting hard, man. So I don't know. We're just gonna keep pushing forward. We got Thanksgiving coming up this week. We're just grateful that the weather was beautiful yesterday and we had our time to be nasty earlier in the show. Not anymore. No. Grateful. Grateful. Grateful all the way through. Yeah. Let's do a couple of tear talks, and then let's get these beautiful fans who are listening to the show out of here. This person comes from. This is Rambo at fourth. Oh, wow. @ underscore, Will Compton. What team would you retire with? The Washington Titans or the Raiders? And who do you root for the most?

[A]

If I could retire with one of those teams, it for sure be Washington.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That is where I kind of cut my teeth in the league. That is where football mattered the most in my life. It's. That is the. That is the time where I would have literally died for all of my teammates. Who do I root for? I just root for. I just root for good football. I Love watching good football out there. Like, I, I want to see those teams do well. Washington, the Raiders and Titans, they're all there. They're not very good whatsoever this year. Year. I do want to see those teams be successful when, when it comes to the NFL, it's a lot different than college. Obviously. I'm a die hard Nebraska fan. Will be forever like in the NFL. I, I felt like more of a, outside of Washington, just more of a mercenary around the league. I just root for some good football. Yeah, I root for some good football. I love watching the game of ball. We need everybody, everybody, everybody. Here's a hashtag, tear talk from our boy, Caleb Ingram. If you're the Titans gm, what coach are you going after and who is your first free agent target? Believe this is a question for Jack. Question for Taylor.

[C]

I think the coach you go after is Arthur Smith. That's, that's our guy. And then when it comes for free agent, we got a lot to look into. You can't pour more money into the offensive line. They've got it. They've got to figure it out. Wide receiver, corner. Jack. Yeah, I would agree probably I would.

[B]

Start at that secondary position, but a.

[C]

Wide receiver would be great. We paid Calvin Ridley a lot of.

[B]

Money, hasn't done too much.

[C]

He's injured, but dk, like I'm saying.

[B]

He is going to be a great guy.

[C]

Alakay o' Manor could be someone as well for coaching.

[B]

I do.

[C]

You kind of talked me into the.

[B]

The Arthur Smith realm and I, I.

[C]

Don'T hate it at all. Knows the organization.

[B]

I think it'd be great. I still wouldn't hate a Joe Brady pool, but again, I think I'd like some guy with more head coach experience.

[A]

So.

[B]

I don't know right now, Mike McCoy.

[C]

Don't hate him. Don't want him as the coach, but.

[B]

For now, as an interim, he's doing.

[C]

The best he can with a bad situation. Yeah. Let's not get back into the interim head coach world. Let's. Hey, Mike, you're doing a great job. Appreciate you.

[B]

You know what's gonna happen.

[C]

I know, but just. Yeah, I know. But as of right now, we can just go on today. Has Joe Brady lost himself a little bit of juice with the way the office is playing?

[B]

I mean.

[C]

Question. No.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Who knows, man? The Bills have been so inconsistent.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And they have, you know, they're, they're, they're battling on defense like they, their defense isn't at all helpful for Josh Allen and that office because they can run the football. Josh Allen, he can be a superhero. I don't feel like they have much on the outside to work with. One thing before we do move on to college football, which. Which will be coming out here soon, we can't go. We can't. We can't not talk about the NFC north right now with the Bears, the Lions and the Packers.

[C]

Yeah, it's interesting.

[A]

Bears still at the top of the division.

[C]

All three teams won this weekend.

[A]

Yeah. Bears got the Eagles this week. Yeah. Defense very suspect, very opportunistic. Defensively, they got a lot of holes defensively. Like, you're able to kind of do anything on them. It will be fun to watch Caleb Williams and Jalen Hurts duel it out. Caleb Williams, bro, is that close.

[C]

Dan Olofsky said, we can't. We can't evaluate our judge, Caleb Williams, until November. Well, we're in November, and I'll be honest, I like Caleb Williams.

[A]

Yeah, I think that's a.

[C]

That's a damn good football player.

[A]

I was watching. I was watching the Bears offense last night, just kind of scanning through Caleb Williams. Like, bro, he is right there. If he just gets some accuracy on that ball, which I think that stuff will come because he's one of the more like, statistically one of the more inaccurate passers, but, man, he is right there.

[C]

What are they, last nine?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Caleb Williams is kind of nice. He's kind of nice.

[C]

Kind of nice. Caleb Williams is. Hey, he's solid. I think I. I've never had in my mind an opinion of a player go so dramatically different from, like, August to now.

[A]

Oh, yeah. And again, like, for me, I'm a victim of. Not like watching all of the Caleb Williams ball. It's kind of just the tone that everybody else would have with them, kind of how that's transcended. But the dude, like, the way they're. They're calling plays, the creativity on offense, the way he's kind of seeing the field going through his progression, the way he can keep plays alive. He has a live arm. He's. Nobody gets deterred from his inaccurate throwing. Like, the dude keeps slinging it. Yeah, he is. He's that close.

[C]

And I. I don't know if we want to end on this, but you know who thought Caleb Williams would be great this year? Delaney Walker. He called it again. Delaney strikes again. He's done it twice this year. Mac Jones, Glenny Clay. Caleb Williams.

[A]

Shadur is going to fall. Mac Jones. Caleb Williams.

[C]

Yeah. Justin Herbert.

[A]

Justin Herbert. Yeah.

[C]

Justin Herbert, who continues to be Justin Herbert's kind of the guy. Delaney Walker kind of nice. Kind of, kind of nice with his quarterback opinions. Can't pick a game to save his life, but he's kind of nice. The quarterbacks.

[A]

All right, if you guys are listening right now to audio college football we're about to get into and if you're watching right now on YouTube, college football will be dropping in here within a couple hours. We will see you then or see you in a minute. Whichever one it is. Make sure you're subscribed. Please subscribe like the channels and and make sure to leave comments.

[C]

And I'll also if you're listening to audio, you can't see the hats that Will and I are wearing, but these little boys. So you can be find these on BWTV.com go to the website if you're listening and go try to find the ones that you think we're wearing right now. That's a fun little game. It's a fun little game. Go and check it out. Big hugs, Tanika.

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You know what?

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I can see you as Mr. Darcy.

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You got a little Colin Firth.

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[e-mail] that's o d o o.com hey.

[B]

Everyone, Ed Helms here and hi, I'm Kal Penn and we're the hosts of Irsay, The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.

[A]

This week on the podcast, I am.

[C]

Sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast.

[A]

I choose me to discuss the new.

[B]

Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice.

[A]

This is not a trick question.

[B]

There's no wrong answer.

[A]

What role would I play? You Know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy.

[C]

You got a little Colin Firth.

[A]

Okay, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. But are you sure I'm not the dad? I'm not Mr. Bennett.

[B]

Here, listen to Earsay the Audible and.

[A]

Iheart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app.

[B]

Or wherever you get your podcasts.

[A]

This is Julian Edelman from Games with Names. Football is back. That means it's tailgate time. And this season the only meat going on the grill is Dietz and Watson. Some of my favorites are the Black Angus Dietz dogs, the Italian style chicken sausage, and the Asiago spinach chicken sausage, just to name a few. Oh, and I love the jalapeno mustard. It's flavor packed. And you could just tell Dietz and Watson uses the highest quality meat and every bite. Deets and Watson was born in Philly in 1939 and they've been doing it the right way ever since. Visit deetsonwatson.com the right way to learn more about the deets difference. Fellas, where do we want to start? I. I think we, we got rivalry, rivalry week coming up. Rivalry coming up. We got college football playoffs coming up. We got a lot of massive games on the spot slate. I think we quickly get to what's going to be coming up this week in college sports.

[C]

Yeah. Do you want to quickly go over what happened this past weekend or you want to jump right to rivalry?

[A]

We can, we don't even have to recap this past week.

[C]

We don't have to.

[A]

That, that, that, that just, that's my humble.

[C]

Do we need to. Is there anything we need to talk about?

[A]

What are Yalls thoughts on Dan Lanning's comments? What Dan say he said he essentially said in a Took a shot at a school that doesn't exist. Took it. Took a shot. Took a shot at the sec. He's like, you know, you know, we're, we're out here competing. We're not playing anybody like, like Chattanooga State this week.

[C]

Good for him. I did see that. I did see that. Yeah. I think it's awesome. I mean, you've seen the clip of.

[A]

Him when he was at Georgia though.

[C]

Saying the same exact thing about the Big Ten.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, really?

[A]

He knows he's also.

[C]

David's playing the game. People are talking about Lane Kiffin being good at the Internet. Yeah. Dan's living a present life. He knows that the Internet, like if you say something, it doesn't exist a year later. Like you can say whatever you want and then re evaluate your opinions Shout out. Oregon covering. I said they wouldn't. I said UFC was going to make it close. Good for them, man.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Round of applause for Dan Lanning. I mean, that is.

[A]

That was the game they needed.

[C]

People are saying that he watched the locker room, he saw people doubting him on the locker room. And for that reason, they covered against usc. So we will take a little bit of credit on that. Ou, they beat Mizzou. Yeah, you're right. Last Saturday. Doesn't matter. This week is the most important week in all of college football rivalries. Every. Like South Carolina playing Clemson this week. Right. Every. The, the winter, the spring, the summer. At some point, Clemson is mentioned on a weekly basis. Hey, we have to beat Clemson. Same thing goes for Clemson. Talking about South Carolina. We have to beat that team. All right. Nebraska plays Iowa. All right. At some point, if Nebraska and Iowa are the other franchises, the programs we claim them to be, they're sitting there. They got to beat Nebraska. Nebraska's got to beat Iowa, Auburn, Alabama, like every year. Doesn't matter how good or how bad a team is, we got to take that game seriously because there's always implications coming up. There's always something. Vanderbilt and Tennessee, a newly like regenerated rivalry taking place. One team is. Has playoff hopes. The other team is hoping to break the playoff hopes. It's very unique to see which team has a playoff hope.

[A]

Who's going to the state?

[C]

Who is going to win the state?

[A]

Texas A and M at Texas.

[C]

Texas A and M at Texas that they haven't played in 13 years and they're now playing. That rivalry is back. And there's nothing like bringing a rivalry back the way that Notre Dame and Michigan should be back. All those rivalry games are important. There is not one in college football or maybe in all of sports that matter more than Michigan versus Ohio State. Ohio State, the number one team to land Michigan in the teens of the top 25 right now. And boys, I'm just telling you, Michigan's won the last four. Every game has meant something, right? Playoff implications. And then there's that one that took place last year where Michigan is 20 and a half point underdogs and they go and they beat Ohio State 13 to 10 and bully them into submission and winning that game. This is the rivalry is truly in my opinion, and I haven't lived through the 80s and 90s and, and loving the team that way or being alive. I think the rivalry is in the best place it's ever been. I'm sure Ohio State fans would probably disagree with that, but say what you want. Like the last 20 years before these last four games, Ohio State's kind of ran Michigan shit, all right? They won two in 20 years. Now it's like the hatred's at an all time high. Flags are being planted. Congress is sitting there changing laws in Ohio because of what Michigan has done. There's fights taking place, there's mace being put out by police officers after games, jawing, fighting. When I was there and Michigan was bad, we only beat them one time. And every game, though, was relatively competitive. My senior year, we go for two at the end of the game and don't get it. We lose that game 42 to 41. This game defines a season. What? Look at Ohio State. Ohio State wins the national championship last year. And every person that doesn't like Ohio State goes, but you couldn't beat Michigan. You have a blemish on your national championship because you could not beat Michigan. So for 365, Ohio State's had to eat, you know, eat crow, eat, whatever the term is. They have had to fight, scratch and claw. And now your two best wide receivers may or may not play in this game. And Michigan has had their best game they've had all year against Maryland. They have an incredible run game. They've had incredible run game. Their defense is playing the best they have since the USC game. We have a kid that could be great, has all the talents, has all the things that show that he could be him. And it all comes down to this game. Michigan wins, they make the playoffs, Ohio State wins. There's half of a decade off of your back right now. Ryan Day gets the credit that he truly does deserve. I'm switching my opinion up a little bit in that because last year I sat there. He's not a leader of men. He's not this and that. You brought up a great article that you can talk about. This game means everything. And it's in Ann Arbor, kicks off at 12 Eastern. And it is going to be if Michigan wins this game, when Michigan wins this game, we will truly own Ohio State. There's no more excuses.

[B]

It's been 2,139days since the last time Ohio State beat Michigan, which is an insane stat of these hype videos that are going to be coming out.

[C]

And every year due to Ohio States, the number one, their top three team every single year. And the winged helmet, they sing the wing, they see the winged helmet and they shit themselves. Now, new oc, New dc Matt Patricia. He's has one of the best defenses in the last 20 years coming out of Ohio State, people are saying, who have they played? They haven't really played anybody. Now, Brian Hartline, before things go down this week and I start probably getting nasty or whatever. I have, I have. I don't like how much respect I have for Brian Hartline. He does an incredible job. Obviously, you see the recruiting. He was the wide receivers coach. This is his first year being the oc. Like, he's done an incredible job as the oc. He does a great job recruiting. He's got probably the two best players in college football out in the perimeter for him. And the best defense. I think they are number one defense in all of college football. What an opportunity for both teams. And it is. Dude, the thing. This is what matters is if Michigan wins this game, we own Ohio State. If Michigan loses this game and Ohio State wins, you guys win like you guys have. You guys, there's no, like, we own you because the last four years you've owned us. Those 20 before that, like, if you win the game, you are the winner. There's no, like, the broken man. Myself. Who would be the broken man? Yeah, but we won the last four. We all know that'll be hollow at the end of this. It means everything.

[A]

How much does it mean?

[C]

It means everything, dude.

[A]

This is the game. Like, thank you all for another episode of Boston Boys.

[C]

Yeah, you guys can laugh all you want. You laugh all you want. You guys don't understand. This is. If you win the game, this is the biggest rivalry in all of college sports. I don't expect you to understand. It is.

[B]

It is big.

[C]

It is massive.

[A]

You said that. We all got some rivalry games, though.

[C]

Yes, some.

[A]

You said they.

[C]

But not like Will's not over here talking about, we got Iowa. Iowa. It's like, that doesn't. That's not like a. That's not even saying Nebraska talks about. We haven't got Nebraska. You talk about South Carolina. You're probably better about the Clemson thing.

[A]

You said that Ohio State has an asterisk next to their Natty because it couldn't beat Michigan.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So the last two Natties. The importance of this game is the battle of the asterisk.

[C]

I mean, that's petty. I think we looked at what the NCAA did. They. They charged Michigan with $20 million. Like, drop in the bucket. Move on. That just shows they had nothing. Like, that's nothing to a program. Michigan's caliber. No. Yeah. Yeah. The game is massive. The game is everything. The game is everything.

[A]

Everything. It is.

[C]

It's the only game that matters this weekend. I'm sorry. Like, I'm sorry.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

For the casual viewer. For the, for the casual viewer who doesn't, you know, football, they don't have a team. They just, hey, Saturday football. Like people like, oh shit, Michigan's playing Ohio State this week. You know, like they're not like doing that with a lot of maybe Auburn, Alabama maybe, but most likely. But people are sitting there going, yo, Michigan and Ohio State play this week.

[A]

It's just tough.

[C]

That's. Then the casual fans not thinking it's.

[A]

Tough for that game to hold like a ton of weight in the south because it's at 11am and it's just like hard to get up for a game like that at 11am they need to move it.

[C]

I think it's, I think it's awesome.

[B]

I think it's awesome there.

[A]

I will SOG in the morning. This is the most excited for a game that I've been just because that I'm, that I'm getting to watch just from the outside looking in, seeing the, the rivalry unfold the way it has, especially in this, this era of social media and everything else. It's like when you go back to Alabama, Vanderbilt, when Alabama beat Georgia, the first thought after Alabama beat Georgia, they don't even care about the win. All they know is that they have Vanderbilt on the schedule next week. I feel like it's the exact same way for both of these teams with Michigan, Ohio State, everybody knows what's at stake here. Ohio State fans just getting to watch it from afar, Just the pettiness, the going at each other, the. Each fan base, the way Michigan is just strutted around and shit on Ohio State fans for the last four years, especially after last year when Michigan was 20 and a half point underdogs and you go in and beat and beat Ohio State and they go on to win the natty no. 1. It's like everybody from Michigan makes sure they make sure that Ohio State fans feel like that doesn't even matter because you can't beat Michigan. I'm so excited for this game just because again, you guys are coming off playing your best ball with the, with, with Michigan, Bryce Underwood, the run game, all that stuff. Questionable. I hope those receivers get to play for Ohio State because everybody knows that everybody wants the best ball to be played on Saturday because this does feel like a war that is brewing. Every commercial that talks about the game happening, the clips where you see both locker rooms chirping each other, going at each other, barking at each other when they're in the tunnel. It's going to be electric. I cann cannot wait to watch this game this weekend.

[C]

The pettiness, the fighting, the cops with the mace. Like people say, oh, there's no place for that in college football. Like this storyline that's taken place over the last three, four years. The hey Michigan, you guys are cheaters. We're going to beat your ass. Ohio State puts the most money in to college football that any other teams possibly put in because they want to win a national championship and they need to beat Michigan. And then they don't like people trying to change laws in Ohio making it a crime to plant a flag on the 50 yard line. Like this is what makes, this is what makes college football the best.

[A]

Portnoy posted a little kid just they were reenacting. They were reenacting the flag at a play. Yeah, in a play.

[C]

In a play.

[A]

Like the storyline of Michigan with the national championship, the scandals, the beating Ohio State the last four years Ohio State storyline of winning the Natty losing the Michigan Ryan Day storyline. His story arc with Ohio State and this being the game. It's like everything is pointing to cinema this weekend. Yeah, it is.

[C]

It is going to be. It's everything, dude.

[A]

Everything. And imagine it's like everybody knows how great of an athlete Bryce. Bryce Underwood. Bryce Underwood is and he hasn't really had his moment this season of where the whole country is like, whoa, Bryce Underwood is different. And imagine that moment happens in the biggest game of the season, bro. Because it could.

[B]

And if I'm a Michigan fan, that's.

[A]

Probably all I'm thinking about. This whole week is like, this is the game that Bryce. Yeah. The world finds.

[C]

Because as like a, as a Michigan fan, like when you're watching this kid, Bryce Underwood start to play and you know you fumble against Oklahoma, you fumble against usc and it's like you see these flashes that are like, oh my God. The first thing was just watching the first game and him completing a pass. It's like, I haven't seen that in a year. Like, that's just amazing to see. And then like you catch yourself as a Michigan fan, like watching Bryce Underwood stat line over and over again because you're like, hey, we got to keep it above. We want this, we want that. Like, and you just after Oklahoma and usc, the rest of the games are like, how do you get prepared for Ohio State? That's really what the rest of the games turn to. You see us almost skid and fall off the rails. Against Northwestern. That changes the whole dynamic of this week. It doesn't, it doesn't like, it's still very important. The implications are, are so much more. But you're right, dude, like this kid, like he, he doesn't have, like, I think Joe, Joe Klotzer this, like, he doesn't need to be the factor in this game, but he needs to be a factor in this game in order for Michigan to win this game. Especially if there's both those wide receivers play, who knows with our running back like Justice Hayes broke his foot. He's not playing in this game. Jordan Marshall goes down in Northwestern. There's like, he could have played in this last game as an emergency back, but they wanted to get him healthy. We have a walk on running back who rushes for over 100 yards. And it's like you have, you have six freshmen starting on that offense. I think there's 11 total freshmen that are playing significant snaps for Michigan right now. Three are on the line. Three on the line. And you, you don't have a player on Michigan's roster that has lost to Ohio State. And on the contrary, you don't have a player on Ohio State's roster that's beaten Michigan. Dude, the hate is, is beautiful. And I think that was so crazy is like if you really, you know, melted everything down to the core is like, yeah, I have a level of respect for Ohio State that I don't necessarily carry for like a Michigan State. I don't respect Michigan State as a program. And I think most Michigan fans would probably agree with that. From Ohio State standpoint, like you can hate as much as you want, but like you're gonna tip the cab and be like, that's a well run program. And so including all the hate that's taking place, the fact that the line's at 12 and a half and now it's moved to 10 and a half. Yeah, buddy.

[A]

This is like that game where Bryce needs to, if he has the op, take like the six yard run, get down.

[C]

Yeah, like just move the, move the.

[A]

Ball, move the chains. When you have that window, no mistakes.

[C]

Could you see it? Like, what if he gets a shot in, dude, what if he gets a 30 yard, 40 yard bomb? And it's like, yo, we have this and we have the explosive run that we've had in every single game this year. Need to just be a shot to the crib.

[B]

Can I, can I come over and watch the game with you? Yeah, I think that'd be fun.

[C]

Okay. Yeah. You want to do that? Absolutely. I mean it'll be Saturday.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Me and my kids, bro, at 11 o'.

[B]

Clock. I'll be there if I'm allowed.

[C]

Dude, it is so exciting.

[B]

I, I am very this week because.

[C]

Someone'S heart's getting broken.

[B]

The one promo goes way too hard, way too harm.

[A]

Yeah, hard. Poor Jack Sawyer just getting used for the promo. I know, I know. Yeah.

[C]

And the thing that's crazy with that promo is last year we sat here and people are like, there's no room for this. And I said, if you think there's truly no room for this in college football, then do not use any of the that took place as a promo. And here we are a year later.

[B]

There's room for a minute a day on tv.

[C]

Yeah. And you guys like, oh, we, we can't have this. That's all saving face. People love it. People love it. They need it. Like Jack Sawyer, great kid, hope he has a great career at the Steelers. You need that. You need to have that in college football. The hate, the storyline, everything is what makes it count. So yeah, dude, Michigan's winning this game, bro.

[A]

This is big Brad. This is big Bryce Underwood game right here.

[C]

Big Bryson. This is a, this is a big Michigan identity game right here.

[A]

I think like to, to Joe Clyde's thing. I think he a factor. If you guys are winning this game by like a two touchdown, like a, you know, a two score game. But in every other scenario I feel like it's Bryce Underwood. Like if you guys lose closer, you're, you're, you're within striking range. It's like all eyes. It's like this is a Bryce Underwood moment. You guys win. Yeah. If you guys win a close game to me it's going to be something that Bryce Underwood did. If you need him to win through the air and you guys are down, it's going to be a Bryce Underwood moment. Yeah, defense like this is, it's gonna be so fun to watch.

[C]

And we, we've, the last two weeks we've sat out like four defensive players. Ernest Hausman didn't play last week.

[A]

Real chance, Ohio State sits out Carnell.

[C]

Tate and there's no way they're gonna sit those guys out. There's a, there's a real world where they are too injured to play, which to me can't have that, bro. You cannot have that. They're undisclosed. Ohio State will not say. I looked into it all yesterday.

[A]

Frustrating. But Mitch doesn't know. Just someone on the back channels as Ohio State guy.

[C]

They won't say it's.

[B]

It's known.

[C]

I'm not. He said, oh, they're hurt.

[B]

No, I knew they were hurt, but I. Like.

[A]

I know. But I. I do have enough respect for you that you would know that if the.

[C]

If the information's available.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They've just done an incredible job of keeping it tight.

[C]

Everything's in house. Like, you watch the. The. They played Rutgers. Oh. How State played Ruckers this past week. The week before that, they played ucla. And Jeremiah Smith was kind of in there sparingly. He played the first half, not the second half. You watching him walk to the locker room. He is. He's truly. He looks like me with gout. Jeremiah Smith might have gout.

[B]

I do. Like, before Sherm looked this up because it says it here. But I did know it was like, a lower body. I think I wouldn't doubt that. Like, Carnell's is like, a hamstring or knee. And then I think Jeremiah Smith is like an ankle.

[A]

Got you.

[C]

I mean, buddy.

[A]

And big. Big. Like, obviously, it's all about beating Ohio State, but also big implication for you guys playoff wise. Like, if you guys win, are you guys in the Big Ten championship?

[C]

I was trying to look it up yesterday. I was going through the Big Ten scenario.

[A]

What are the. Yeah, look up big.

[C]

No, because we need to be USC to lose. Yeah. I think Indiana has a tiebreaker over Oregon. We would have the tiebreaker over Ohio State. Could be Indiana. Oregon. If Oregon loses to Washington this week, which I don't see happening like that.

[B]

I don't think y' all would be in the Big Ten championship, but I think y' all would jump up into the top 12.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I think we're.

[B]

For sure.

[C]

You can't keep us. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So it is. It'd be Oregon. If you guys win, it'd be Oregon. Indiana.

[C]

Oh, scenario. Indiana beats Purdue and Michigan beats Ohio State. That's how Indiana plus Michigan.

[A]

Oregon does still have to be Washington.

[B]

Another great opportunity for Ohio State, though.

[A]

If they do lose.

[B]

The Michigan don't play in the Big.

[A]

Ten championship like they did last year. Get healthy for the playoff run.

[C]

Yeah. Do you punt? Hey, Indiana.

[A]

You got it.

[B]

There's, like, pros and cons to the.

[C]

The Big Ten championship.

[B]

Michigan's in a great spot.

[A]

If they win. They don't.

[B]

You don't want to be in the big.

[C]

We just got to win.

[A]

Yeah. That'd be the best situation to be in. You. You're a 10 and 2 team on the outside not having to play A championship game. Because you're looking at, you're looking at the scenario with Alabama. If it's Alabama A and M and A M beats Alabama, it's like there's a three loss Alabama fall out of the playoff because everybody's so tight right now. And by the way, shout a, shout out to Pitt. Shout out to Pitt for mopping the floor with Georgia Tech because now Georgia Tech's out of it and you're looking.

[C]

At that game pissed me off so much, dude. Pissed me the off. I don't care about like who beat who. The locker room. I was gonna take SMU over Louisville. We saw SMU beat the brakes up for Louisville. And just for the record's sake, clump. Text me in the morning. 7am on a Wednesday. Hey, do you mind if we change this game? So now I'm just kind of like guessing and I end up taking Georgia. Georgia Tech.

[A]

Well, you followed Pete. You should have followed your boy. No, your boy saw the board, man.

[C]

It was always, dude, this game means everything.

[A]

It was always pit. But you'll have.

[C]

There's no excuse either way with the acc.

[A]

You'll have Virginia, Pitt, smu, Georgia Tech. And again like you got Virginia. Virginia Tech. Like Virginia Tech sleeps and sneaks up on Virginia and wins that game. Virginia is. Then would they even be in the ACC championship then? You're looking at a scenario of a G5 team, JMU or Tulane, like they take care of business when their conference, they could be ranked higher than the ACC champion. Because right now the highest rated ACC team right now is Virginia. But they're at what, like 17 or something like that? 15. Yeah, I guess it depends on what the, what the committee does with the playoff rankings. But they could fall below the G5 conference championship champion.

[C]

And that's what they're saying is that's.

[A]

How you would get away with leaving. Yeah, the G5 would have the automatic conference champion bid, so would the ACC champion, but they would be used as an at large pick versus having like the auto championship, you know what I mean? Where they get kind of seated. That way they'd be like an at large team that gets in.

[C]

Sherman wrote up here there are eight SEC championship scenarios and there are six ACC championship scenarios.

[A]

The ACC one is the most one where there could be the most chaos. Like something likely, happy likely happen. I think Virginia Tech beating Virginia versus like the sec. It's like you guys should take care of Auburn because as long as Alabama wins, they're going to be in against Texas A M. Like Texas A M is going to be in whether they win or lose against Texas.

[C]

Is that right?

[B]

I think if A M loses world.

[C]

Someone take the mic. I think if A M loses, there's a world.

[A]

Like if.

[C]

I mean, if there's eight scenarios.

[A]

Right. If A M loses, there's got to.

[C]

Be like, is there a world?

[B]

It's Georgia and Alabama.

[A]

Because they would only have. They would only have, like A M would still be in no matter what. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think they clinch their spot.

[A]

It would come down to scenarios.

[C]

Alabama versus Georgia. Hold on. Go down. Go down.

[A]

Cinema.

[C]

Go down.

[A]

Georgia and Bama lose. Whoever. It probably comes down like Ole Miss winning.

[C]

Alabama versus Ole Miss. Texas A M loses to Texas. Alabama wins out. Ole Miss wins out. Georgia. So Georgia's gonna lose to Georgia Tech.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So that's how. That's how A M misses. Georgia versus Texas. Texas beats A M. Georgia beats Texas.

[A]

Yeah, but that's. Yeah. Texas beats A and M. Georgia beat Texas. Alabama loses at least one.

[B]

I feel like the Chat GBT versions of. It's kind of confusing.

[C]

Yeah, it's kind of confusing because Chat.

[A]

GPT doesn't Already doesn't have the. Know. I don't know ball at all.

[C]

No, they're always behind, bro. Look at him, bro.

[A]

Somehow ended up with a. Yeah.

[C]

Hey. Not to bring it back to the game, but think about the implications for Bryce Underwood as well. Saying, like, they've never seen a freshman like me. He's on rich eyes and he's telling LeBron James like, you guys are never going to win again. And now it's time to find out.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you know he's only 18, turned 18 in August 11th. Yeah.

[A]

Our computer's still trying to load here.

[C]

I mean, here they are.

[A]

So George is in with an Alabama loss or an A and M loss. Alabama wins. They're in. A M win or Alabama loss, Ole Miss loss. Ole misses in if they win the Egg Bowl, A and M loss and Bama loss.

[B]

So Alabama and Texas A M winning in.

[A]

Got you. So it's not eight scenarios in the SEC. That was just chat GPT's version five weeks ago scenario. This is why we get coined as football players with brain damage.

[C]

Yeah. Because of Chad gbt.

[A]

Because I looked that up. Oh, there's eight situations here, actually.

[C]

No, there's not.

[A]

Eight ways for chaos.

[C]

Yeah. So ACC is the most exciting piece of chaos.

[A]

Yeah, that's one that could. We could see something like that.

[C]

I think it's ACC game this weekend. Sure.

[B]

I think it's the least Exciting.

[A]

If SMU gets in the College Football.

[C]

Playoff, we need to have someone step.

[A]

In and change the playoff this year.

[B]

Smu, if they win the ACC and.

[C]

Get in, that's horrible.

[A]

But it's the most exciting because of the chaos that could happen. If you get this weak ACC conference, which we've been saying, like, say Virginia loses, like, what team should actually go into the College Football Playoff from the acc?

[C]

None of them.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Miami. Miami. Them being 10 and two to end the year, they would have one because again, they beat Notre Dame head to head. Even though Notre Dame, like Notre Dame is a. A good football team right now, but they do have that head to head win. So that's where it's like. If there's a team that does come out of the acc, it would be only Miami. It's like the ACC champion being like.

[C]

No, I'm just listening.

[A]

Right, boys? Yeah, right, boys?

[C]

Yeah. It's kind of thought it was inhaling for more. Yeah, dude. How about Notre Dame, though?

[A]

Notre Dame's been handling 70 to 0 in Syracuse. Would they have three?

[C]

They had three defensive or special team.

[A]

Touchdowns in the first quarter.

[C]

Did. Did the offense even come out for the first quarter?

[A]

The offense scored their fourth touchdown on.

[C]

The first play of offense. I mean, bro, that car kit is special, isn't it?

[B]

First. First play or his first touch?

[C]

His first touch, yeah.

[A]

Damn it.

[C]

What?

[A]

I just saw that SMU beat Miami this year. That kind of makes me.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Chaos, man.

[C]

Chaos.

[A]

All we can root for here is chaos.

[C]

Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

What the happened this past Saturday, Dude.

[A]

I thought we weren't recapping. I thought we were talking. I thought we were moving forward. Yeah, I thought we were talking all this week. Slate. Sometimes you go forward, you got to go backwards.

[C]

Yeah. And we need to talk about that. Like that was. I'll let you speak on it. 37 to 10 from beginning to end.

[A]

Yeah. I'll be honest. I think that it's. It's on my face. Like, I. I don't know. I don't know what happened. Like, we got shell shocked. We got our ass whooped. It was built to ass for 60 minutes. 60 in Happy Valley.

[B]

Y' all play them 10 times. How many times you beating them?

[A]

Nine. That's why.

[C]

You know what? No. You know what pisses me off about this, too? They lose Iowa. What's their record, JP?

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

8 and 4, 7 and 5.

[A]

Yeah, but it's hard to. It's hard to hang your Head on that when we lost our quarterback to a broken leg.

[C]

No doubt, no doubt. And I literally, I yeah, we're talking the goal post. And the day after I moved the goal post, the kid breaks his leg. Like that's insane.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Look, if Dylan Rail is playing, we are a two loss football team right now going in Iowa, beating Iowa. And then we are a 10 & 2 football team on the outside line looking in, hoping to get in the College football playoff. But we're not. Our quarterback broke his leg for the predictions. That is crazy for the sake of predictions. But it ain't. We ain't going 7 and 5 because we about to whoop Iowa this week. Facts talk about all the years that Ohio State beat up on Michigan. But this four streak win you guys have been on, it starts. I was our big brother right now.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's time to grow up and it's time to whoop the Iowa Hawkeyes this week. Weekend.

[C]

Time to grow the up.

[A]

It's time to grow the up and beat the Iowa Hawk. We can't dominate them all over the statute like we did last year and they have like what, one first down, one explosive play and they win the game by. What was it they want? 7 to 3 or something like that?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What time is that game?

[B]

20, I think. You guys are at 2:30, right?

[A]

Yeah, it's usually an afternoon game. Oh, last year was a night game. Look it, it's. It was. It was tough Saturday night and I more so just like a loss of words.

[C]

Oh, you guys play the same time as the game. Good news.

[A]

No, no.

[C]

Not a whole lot of views on that.

[A]

We're on Friday.

[C]

Oh, you're on Friday.

[A]

Friday, 11am Black Friday, Friday. While the sales.

[C]

11Am On Friday.

[A]

Big Ten, Big Ten Conference ain't doing us no favors. Night game in Happy Valley. Got to turn around quick and play on Friday. White out. Yeah. 11am Give us the white out. With everybody rooting for. Who's the head coach for Penn State?

[C]

Terry Smith.

[A]

Terry Smith. Like I don't know. I can give you all these situations in the world. Penn State being motivated. Like that's a team you don't want to see play at the end of the year right now because they finally caught their lick. They're finally gaining some momentum. Like that top five roster in college football. That roster is the one we that showed up. Like to me that was the. We played the team before Oregon took their soul. Like that was the Penn State team. We unfortunately played without our starting quarterback because he Broke his leg. Teams like Penn State, where they fired their head coach, they. Those kids are playing to stay on the team for the next. The next head coach that comes in. You saw it with Virginia Tech, played their ass off knowing that the new ball coach is on the sideline. Hey, I want to be here. That's what happened.

[C]

I mean, buddy, gotta win this week. I'm Texas.

[A]

That's one legitimately. When I got over, I turn off the TV and just like how you feel like it doesn't matter. I feel like there's truly. Like I'm. I'm bleeding. There's no time to bleed because you have to as fast as you possibly can. Get your eyes on Iowa. Like that one. It's like it. We. We got whooped right there. We can't sit here and question everything going on. We took a. We took an ass beat. We have got to focus on Iowa. You throw everything in the trash from that Penn State game because there ain't, you know, you look at it there. We. We ain't sitting there. That's kind of a meaningless football game. Like we're out of the. When we lost the usc, our playoff hopes are out of it. So they kind of caught us off a bye week, licking our wounds and not. Not having a whole lot to play for. You lo to Penn State. But this one, the border Iowa, you have to have this game because you. We.

[B]

It's.

[A]

We end up 7 and 5.

[C]

You end up 7 and 5. Like. But again, you got to say 8 and 4 next year.

[A]

No, no, no, I'm not.

[C]

I'm not even going. I'm not going down that we lost our quarterback. I'm not going down that road. No, no, I agree. I agree. I'm saying I'm taking back what I said. I'm not going down that road onward. You lost your quarterback. That's why you guys lost. I'll buy it. I'll move on. And that's to say this game didn't matter is fucking insane. But.

[A]

But as it seems right now, this matchup on Friday is the biggest game in coach rules career at Nebraska.

[C]

It's the biggest game taking place on Friday. There's no doubt about that.

[A]

It's the biggest game of his coaching career. He knows that. Nobody knows it better than him. Yeah, his team knows it. Yeah.

[C]

Hold on. There's a trans perfect Music City bowl, dude. Nebraska versus lsu.

[A]

Look, I'm not thinking about nothing else except the Iowa Hawkeyes. Nothing. I don't know how the bowl game situations play. I know we're both eligible. Everybody's going to be chomping at the bit to get the Lincoln Nebraska traveling to wherever their city is. But I'm not thinking about any bowl games right now. It is all Iowa Hawkeyes like they are salivating off of that ass beaten. The people that came knocking at my door on social media with the Chiefs with Nebraska getting pummeled. All of it, bro. People are salivating for Willie C to be 6ft in the ground this Friday.

[C]

Yeah, they are. Dude. I texted will during the first drive. Oh really? Hold on. We'll go 10 second during the first drive in Nebraska. They get down to the one yard line, they go for it and fourth down. I text. Well, I'm like, ah, it sucks but that's the right call. Was like, gotta take the points. I'm thinking Taylor text me.

[A]

He. It was. The text was great run because Emmett had a big run.

[C]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

[A]

We're in the first quarter right now.

[C]

Yeah, it's a great run but it's like, yo, you can't get excited. I'm thinking the same thing to Jack and Jack about the. The Tennessee game. I had great first drive. Both of them, a lot of ball left. I'm like, bro, you can't just be excited about a first drive. That's crazy. Boys. You got to take the dubs. That's crazy. Friday, Friday. Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Texas A and M Texas. Yeah. Is that the game? Is Nebraska Iowa the biggest game? Who the hell plays on Saturday? The only game that fucking matters.

[A]

New network.

[B]

Vandy Tennessee on Saturday.

[C]

Yeah. 2:30.

[B]

The Pavia Heisman game.

[C]

I mean body well, he gets it.

[A]

If he doesn't, he's out.

[C]

God. Yeah, dude. To be probably the most hostile environment in England. 120k. But hey, just to go back to the text real quick after the. We start talking about that first drive and then I. I'm watching like four games and I kind of peek over and I see that Penn State just kind of running away with it and I pulled your number up to like shoot you a text. I'm like, it don't even matter, bro. Like, just leave this one alone. Yeah, it's gonna go get. Leave it those ones where it's like to Monday. We'll just talk about it on Monday.

[A]

When you're. You're like, you're just watching your game. Like all that. All that matters is you and that fox of watching the game. Whether something good's happening, whether something's bad happening. We Know it no matter what. It's a 60 minute ball game. There's nothing that's like. Even the good run thing, it's like, hell, you know, there's nothing that's like.

[C]

Did you clap when that one happened? You said to go, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I stood about like, go in.

[C]

Right? That was me texting, being in the room with you going, let's go. The same thing with the first drive. I'm sitting there being like, yo, I gotta be my boyfriend. Yeah, yeah. Hey, great, great run. You guys don't know. You guys just take her insane right now to me. No doubt. Like, if you don't text me back. That's all good. I'm just saying, hey, I'm in the room with you. I'm watching the game with you right now. Don't. You don't have to text me back. But to be like, don't. It don't matter.

[A]

It's like, all right, there's nothing.

[C]

Gotta score points to win the game. Points matter.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But when you score a point, get excited.

[A]

It's better. It's like, yeah, if you score more points, like, Shane shot me. Text before the game. We're all Huskers tonight. And it's like, that's. That's all like, you know, he. He sees the been going on. He might see that pop run play at the beginning, but I already got it. It's like, you get something before the game. Hey, we're all Huskers tonight. We're on the. Okay. I know, I know. Everybody like rooting for Nebraska to win, but it's like, you know when you have one big run, it's the first drive and it's like, hey, great run. Like, I don't know how to react when I see that. I'm just like, yeah, yeah, that was a. Yeah, that was a great run.

[C]

Right?

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

No, but go ahead.

[A]

No, do you guys know what I mean?

[B]

I know what you mean. Trust me, okay?

[C]

I'll never text you guys during a game again. All good. Well, all good. I swear to God. Even Jack and Chef over here, dude, it's like.

[B]

I can't wait to hear who this is.

[C]

Ah, it's Shane.

[A]

No, it's George Kittle. I'm letting them know we're gonna beat their ass this week before he plays on Monday night tonight.

[B]

Get him off his game.

[A]

Yeah, he's probably focused right now. You can.

[C]

You can leave. You can leave. Like a little voice video, Long dial. Jack, you got George.

[A]

You might be getting ready for your game tonight. But I just want you to know, Nebraska is going to stomp a mud hole in your ass this Friday at 11:11am I hope you catch a lot of balls tonight, but just know, Nebraska is coming for your ass.

[C]

Jake, you got to feel like this is probably the most nervous you've been for a Vandy game in a long time. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[B]

But I mean, Vanny fans on Twitter saying, this is our super bowl and this is quite literally the biggest game for Vandy in the last 40 years. And they're on Twitter talking, saying, man, this is yours.

[C]

It's like, yo, y' all finally have.

[B]

Something to live for.

[C]

A Heisman candidate and a potential winning in, and you're saying, this is Arbus game.

[B]

It's like you're gonna come in to.

[C]

The loudest environment in college football after talking so much all season. It's getting to the point too, where.

[B]

The general consensus is starting to turn on the Pavia family. They're very annoying online. His mom's riding the rail at the game, literally like cowgirl in it, wearing.

[C]

The skimpiest outfit possible.

[B]

She looks like a girl that's down on Broadway at 3am Just trying to find a ride home.

[C]

Diego Pavia.

[B]

I mean, not.

[C]

I know, but I'm just. I'm just saying, you see what Joey Aguilar's mom's doing. Just the sweetheart of Tennessee football.

[B]

It's gonna be fun. I'm very nervous because if we lose, Vandy has this over us for not even just the next 365 days, but.

[C]

For a foreseeable future.

[B]

I'm not worried for the team we played great against.

[C]

Obviously a shitty Florida team, but if, you know, historically, the Vols have never.

[B]

Been able to put it together in the swamp. We went down there and. And kicked the out of them.

[C]

The Clump curse is real.

[B]

Clump is also once again campaigning for Vandy to win, saying that they're going.

[C]

To beat the out of us.

[B]

So just know, Vandy fans, when you guys come to NEAN and get your dick kicked in, you know who to blame. It's Jeremy Clump.

[C]

He claims to be a Florida fan.

[B]

He claims to be a Vandy fan.

[C]

He claims to be every fan except for the team that he chose to.

[B]

Be a fan of starting when he moved to National. Nashville, Tennessee. I'm very excited, though.

[C]

This photo of Clump is crazy.

[B]

That is awesome.

[C]

JV football, Ithaca College athletics.

[B]

I'm very.

[C]

Still doesn't open his eyes to this.

[B]

Yeah, very nervous.

[C]

It will be fireworks. We'll see what happens because if Andy.

[A]

Wins, they're going to be 10 and 2 and they could potentially be out of the College Football Playoff. So.

[C]

Yeah, they have a hard situation to get in now.

[A]

Yeah. Especially who they've lost to. EC Texas fans out there. If they beat Take down A M. Do they have a. They have a resume to get in the playoffs?

[C]

No.

[A]

Who you guys got in the Heisman?

[B]

Not Diego Pavia.

[C]

Jeremiah. Love my original pick. Who's now number two in the odds.

[A]

Yeah, I think. I think Jeremiah, like, if there were. If I could grab three, it'd be Fernando Mendoza, be Diego Pavi, and it'd be Jeremiah.

[C]

Oh, you're out on. Was it Rodriguez?

[A]

I'm not out. I think he's just on the out. I think he's on the outside looking in. I do think that that's a dude where. Like, when I'm thinking about the Heisman, it's when all the success of these teams, how they've had kind of throughout the season and there comes to be these story lines that come from these teams with these guys that we're talking about. Like, they are the storyline like a. Like Texas Tech. I. When Texas Tech's playing, it's. I want to turn it on to see if Jacob Rodriguez makes a splash play. And in the last games that he's been on, he has like, they were on a bye week this week. Did. Did Indiana. They have a bye week as well?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So Fernando went on and I think they play Purdue this weekend. I think Diego Pavia is in a Heisman spot here playing against Tennessee. I think. Who does Notre Dame have this weekend? Stanford. Stanford. Yeah. That's kind of a cupcake. But either way, Jeremiah, love you. Like, you go. You watch Notre Dame football because you want to see what highlights come of Jeremiah.

[B]

I love.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? Like, absolutely. Julian saying. I think he has a. He has like a stat line, but I think he's more of like a product of the system or the team.

[C]

I mean, the Rucker game. What was his stat line? I think he was 10.

[A]

He had like less than 150 yards.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Which they.

[C]

I think they were. They were trying to run the ball more and establish a run game and kind of get out that way.

[A]

And I think Julian Sands, an awesome player. I think Marcel Reed's an awesome player, too. Who. Who's another gunner? Stockton. I think he's an awesome player. But I feel like I tune into Georgia to watch the Georgia Bulldogs. I tune in to Ohio State to Watch Ohio State. If I'm tuning into Ohio State, it's like I'm wanting to watch Jeremiah Smith be out there with the alien. Yeah. Car. Yeah. Carnell Tate. But those other guys, I feel like they are the story of their program and I. Jeremiah Love is. He's the most versatile, most dynamic back or dynamic player in all of college football. Diego Pavi is just. He's going. He's got a Heisman moment coming up with Tennessee. What do you have? Over 500 total yards, line, six touchdowns this last weekend. He's been the reason you tune in to watch Vanderbilt football over the last two seasons. And I think Mendoza the. The season that he's had with just again being Indiana, he is the focal point. He's on all these podcasts now, breaking down coverages. People are falling in love with him. Like he's the guy when you think of Indiana. So those, to me, that's why I kind of have those three. Jacob Rodriguez, I just think it's going to be hard for a of defensive player to win unless he makes a couple splash plays, which he could, which is. If I'm watching Texas Tech this weekend, it's because I'm wanting to see if Jacob Rodriguez makes a play. So that's why I kind of have my Heisman like when I'm looking, if I had a high.

[C]

Are you watching the team? Are you watching the player? Yeah, that's the first cat. And then how good is that player playing? Yeah, yeah, no, I like that. I like that.

[B]

Can I read some stats for you.

[A]

Quick For Jeremiah Love.

[C]

Yes. Get your reaction. Yes.

[B]

2,601 rushing yards, 29 touchdowns. Impressive stats.

[A]

Those are Ashton gentees last year and.

[B]

He did not win the Heisman Trophy trophy.

[A]

Jeremiah Love only has 1300 rushing yards and 17 touchdowns this year.

[B]

That is crazy. If he would win the Heisman Trophy this year and I, I want Jeremiah Love to win.

[C]

Yeah, that's so I thought this was going to be a complete opposite. That would be stat line insane to.

[A]

Me for him to win the Heisman Trophy. So in my opinion, if Diego Pavia.

[B]

Does what we all know he will.

[A]

Do, go to Knoxville and beat the out of Tennessee.

[B]

Diego Pavia should win the Heisman Trophy based off of elevating his team the most stats, all of it.

[A]

So to me, Jeremiah loves fun because.

[C]

We, you know, picking to start the year.

[B]

But it's got to be Diego Pavia.

[C]

If Diego Pavia has the game you're claiming he's going to have, is he clearly over Fernanda Mendoza over. I mean Jeremiah Love. It sounds like the stats aren't there.

[B]

I think.

[C]

Is that the clear winner now?

[B]

I think.

[C]

What was it you, Mitch, who said.

[A]

Like Fernando Mendoza would be almost the.

[B]

Most boring Heisman Trophy winner ever, in my opinion.

[A]

Yeah, it's gotta be Diego for excitement. I could buy that. And Jeremiah I love too. It's more of just he seems like the best player in college football. Like he's the most talented cat like playing the game and to see, see all these highlights that he has and everything else. It's almost like that feeling that you have watching Jeremiah Love versus like the stat line. Everything else. Who won it, who won it last year?

[C]

Travis Hunter.

[A]

Travis Hunter. I mean I get it with Ash and Genti. Like he stats everything else. If he did that at like a power.

[C]

If you do that here, if you do that this year.

[A]

Right, right. Like you can see it more yards difference though.

[C]

Almost what, a thousand yards?

[B]

1300 yards.

[C]

Yeah, 1300.

[A]

But yeah. Doesn't he lead the nation? Jeremiah Love and yards from scrimmage.

[B]

I think he leads in rushing yards too.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Long ass tv. Yeah, it's. He's. He's fun to watch. But I see what you mean to me. If Diego Pavi has four touchdowns, he gets a win against Tennessee. Like, like it's going to be hard not to not to look at Diego Pavia like over like what he's done for this program of Vanderbilt and not give him a Heisman Trophy.

[C]

Yeah. That program is maybe bull eligible without Diego Pavia.

[A]

The Heisman win is the ceremony. It happens after the championship games.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So Mendoza will have an opportunity against Ohio State. Defensive. Ohio State beats Michigan this weekend or whoever. If it's Oregon, like he'll have. Why he's already beat Oregon, but he'll have like a championship moment to where he could put that last one because again it's like he's got Purdue this weekend when it comes to boring him leading and having boring everything else. Like I, I can see that for.

[B]

Sure he'll have another, he'll have another game to like not boost stats. But yeah, show opportunity. Like show. Have the opportunity to show what he's like capable of and like maybe have that Heisman moment whereas Diego was two weeks ago.

[A]

Ahmad Hardy has more rush. Ahmad Hardy's a monster, bro.

[C]

Monster.

[A]

Ahmad Hardy's a monster.

[C]

I wonder why Ahmad Hardy's not more in the conversation then. Because the team the.

[A]

The again it's like you'll have all this team success the way Notre Dame's been playing the back half the year, the way Vandy's played all season long. Fernando Mendoza. It's just like the success of their team. Mizzou kind of doesn't have that following them. Especially again, you lose over the weekend to Oklahoma. Yeah.

[B]

It is nuts.

[A]

Ahmad Hardy has 100 more rushing yards.

[B]

And has only scored two less touchdowns.

[A]

Yeah. No, Ahmad Hardy's a monster. Yeah.

[B]

And has.

[A]

I guess he has a few more.

[C]

Carries, but he got hurt.

[A]

Yeah, but you're going off these. These guys that are in the race that it's like the temperature of their team, like they are setting the temperature and you're like, all these guys. I don't care who you have. Front runner, first, second, third, fourth, whatever. It's just like all these guys. Guys, I think set are set up perfectly for these last couple weeks for who's gonna rise and be the guy that comes out of it. And to me, whatever happens in these last two weeks, it's like those. That guy is going to clearly be the Heisman winner.

[C]

Yeah, it's a great time. But the only thing that really matters is Ohio State, Michigan, all those things he could. Yeah, those for 300 yards, four touchdowns. Get him an invite. Oh, buddy.

[A]

Were you about to be this weekend, JP With South Carolina? Clemson. I'm gonna be in the stadium in the misses going.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I gotta go.

[A]

It's the rival sitting. Sitting. Hate week right now. Sitting as my wife, she went to Clemson. You know, it's one Saturday hits, we step on that field, the game's changed. Yeah, we're out. Exactly. Once we're between those white lines, anything goes. But no, you love you taking off the ring, putting in the pocket. Yeah.

[B]

But it's cool because I like when.

[A]

We posted last week, the tiger burn that we do. It was packed out all of the students there. We light a massive tiger on fire. And it's just a testament to the fan base of at that time we had. Still, we'd only won three games. And everyone shows up. You go, you look at the game this past week, we're playing Coastal. Nothing to cheer about.

[B]

And the stadium's full.

[A]

It's like. That's why gamecognation is special.

[B]

And I can't wait to be a.

[A]

Part of it one last time this season. Because I'll tell you what, next year.

[C]

I did see the clip of that tiger burn. Dude, that was sick.

[A]

They do a great job building that thing, too. Where you guys think Lane Kiffin's going? Staying home. Staying.

[C]

I like that take. I like that. Chef is the insider. Yeah. Chef texting. What? Yo, in an hour, it's gonna break.

[A]

I was like, oh, our boy Chef, he sent the group chat, a screenshot, just being like, I got a friend that's kind of. That's close to the program. Lane Kiffin, lsu.

[C]

Within an hour.

[A]

Within an hour. Yeah. Yeah. Within an hour. This was on Saturday.

[C]

He's gonna coach. He's gonna coach that egg bowl. They're not getting the answer.

[A]

They want Coach Beamer, he was. He was saying that Lane Kiffin's gonna.

[B]

Have, like, the three hats set up.

[A]

Like the players used to do. Would not. Yeah, would not be.

[C]

That'd be hilarious.

[A]

I know. He should do. They're saying he's gonna announce, what, within the hour after the egg bowl, what's gonna happen. So he's gotta be right.

[C]

That would be awesome for him to stay. I hope he does stay. Clumps. Done. Those two schools are gonna be freaking out. Yeah. I love that.

[A]

It is fun to see, like, the flight tracker back again.

[B]

And then Florida canceled their volleyball game, so they're like, oh, they're announcing Lane Kiffin. Like, all the cons.

[A]

Conspiracy theories. I feel like that's always so fun.

[C]

That college football's got that.

[A]

So what Lane is doing is good for college football.

[B]

And then Josh Pate just trolling the world. He tweeted that he knows relay's coaching next year.

[A]

Unnecessary by Josh B.

[C]

Crazy move.

[A]

Unnecessary.

[C]

That's so funny.

[A]

Accounts just started posting, like, oh, no. And people are like, good, dude, don't do this. We know today everyone is just sending tweets for reaction.

[C]

That's funny, man.

[A]

Coops. What was that? Coop? Who sent that tweet? Josh Pace tweet in the group chat. Oh, I think Coop's in it. I'm thinking, oh, he knows.

[C]

If Lane stays, you text him.

[A]

Yeah. Where's he going?

[C]

Yeah. This is crazy clickbait, but where's he going?

[A]

Yeah, if Lane stays, who does?

[C]

Who do they seriously go after now? Florida and lsu.

[B]

There's so many job openings.

[C]

It's like, yeah, it's a. It's. Unless you know your guy is. It's a bad time to go.

[B]

I have a little wrinkle for Florida.

[C]

If they don't get Lane Goish.

[A]

Chip Kelly just got fired.

[C]

Enjoy.

[A]

Chip Kelly did just get fired. Chip Kelly get back in the college. Lsu. Another Kelly honestly shout out his son Brian Kelly. That. That was crazy. What if it's true?

[C]

Yeah, if he.

[B]

If what he said is true. That lsu, like Powers, wouldn't let Brian Kelly walk him out on Senior Day.

[C]

That's kind of crazy.

[A]

Crazy, don't you think?

[B]

Am I wrong to think that no matter how much bad blood there is, lawsuit, whatever, there was, like, him not being able to walk his son out.

[C]

Yeah, they probably were worried about, like, booing and stuff.

[A]

Still to me, what was he saying to the camera when he was pulling the shirt down? My boy. Long live BK said, your dad is so rich. Free my boy. Free my boy. He was. But he was trying to go at Megan. Making money, was he? This past week on some bull crap.

[B]

His son.

[A]

And he was like, oh, like, I'll send the DMS of you trying to, like, get merch or, like, basically get clout. Yeah, meet my dad. And he drops the dms and they were the most nothing burger DMS ever. Where she was like. Or he was like, hey, we need to get you in this merch. She's like, yeah, send it.

[B]

And he posts.

[A]

It was like, you're corny.

[B]

She's like, what are you talking about?

[C]

That's hilarious.

[A]

Why your dad didn't run you out on the field? I'm all the way out on Brian Kelly.

[C]

Yeah. I'm kind of with you on bk. I'm done with that. I think he just goes home.

[A]

Arkansas, who knows, man?

[C]

Arkansas might have to settle for that.

[A]

Whenever I did someone's.

[C]

Arkansas's getting a coach.

[A]

Says everyone's getting a coach, man.

[C]

P said some crazy things about. Remember Lincoln Riley just threw that grenade out there?

[A]

Yeah. Still got some seats.

[C]

He said a lot of stuff. That's all he said.

[A]

When I texted paid, I was like, where's he going? He said, when people tell you Lane Kiffin is the world's best troll, always remember there's at least one better.

[C]

What shitty is. That's the exact text he sent me back. Yeah. What else we got, boys? Michigan, Ohio State.

[A]

Biggest game of the week.

[C]

Biggest game of the year. Of the.

[A]

The world, I think. I think Texas gets a m. I think Texas gets.

[C]

I can see that for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That'd be awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Would that cause chaos, though?

[A]

Chaos, man. Yeah. It just like. Just fan bases being loud, you know, arguing schedules, knocking at the door like.

[C]

We belong in the playoffs.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

And you don't. Sark had a. Yeah. Sark talked about.

[B]

Was it that all their losses are.

[C]

Top 10 teams or something?

[A]

Is that what he was saying? Yeah. When they played them, they were all.

[B]

Top 10, and they beat three top 10 teams.

[A]

I believe they're like they have the most top 10 wins this year. So if they do be A and.

[C]

M, they'd have four top 10 wins.

[B]

I think that's what it was. They beat Vandy when they were top 10.

[C]

Yeah, but that's what I mean when.

[B]

They, when they played, they were top 10.

[A]

Oklahoma was top 10, I believe when they played right for Red river favor. Is there one other one? I respect all the frameworks people figure out to get their team to playoff kicked in by Georgia.

[B]

I love it and hate it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because then there one. There's one framework that comes along. They just kind of thinking, yeah, I mean this is, this can be true. Somebody else kills them and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, they're right too.

[C]

You know, they got it. We feel good. Boys, big week of college football. The biggest week of college football.

[A]

Imagine Georgia Tech slips our sneaks on Georgia.

[C]

Just wild.

[A]

Slips a little jab on Georgia.

[C]

No, Georgia's not falling. Falling out.

[A]

If Vandy beats Tennessee. Yeah. That'd be a tough one.

[C]

Georgia Vandy's so interesting to me. Dude, that game.

[A]

Georgia would fall out if they lost Georgia Tech because they'd be a three loss SEC team. Yeah, yeah. They'd fall out of it. They've won or two. Oh, wait. No, no, no. They beat. They beat Tennessee and ot. Yeah. They only have one. Yeah. God, I kind of want to see it just to see the chaos.

[C]

I know you do.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't care what happens this week with anybody's team but Michigan. Yeah.

[A]

Game's gonna be awesome to watch again. It's gonna be awesome.

[C]

There's a world. We could blow them out. There's a world. And that vice versa. World also lives. But I'm just saying there's a world. Double digit.

[A]

Who's everyone got in the game?

[C]

Michigan, Ohio State.

[B]

Other than you guys because you're locker room. But back of the bus guys.

[A]

Who do we got? I'll go first.

[C]

Michigan.

[A]

Moneyline.

[B]

Bryce Underwood will show that college football is different.

[C]

You can go out and buy a player and it will help your team.

[B]

No, I'm. It'll change college football landscape for a lot of teams. Bryce Underwood legacy game.

[A]

Go blue.

[B]

I'm obviously Ohio State.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Mitch, J.P. michigan all day, every day. Elementary school bully, middle school bully was Ohio State fan. I'll never root for Ohio State.

[C]

Yeah, fully with Michigan. Ohio State's had such a cupcake schedule and I don't know, I just, I love, I would love to see y'.

[B]

All get five In a row.

[C]

It just kills the.

[B]

The casual how State fans that just linger in the dark all year long.

[C]

So.

[A]

Because they still get to go to the playoff things, you know, potentially still win a national title, but you can't beat Michigan.

[C]

Can't beat them.

[B]

It's the best.

[C]

Just caveat of. Well, at least you got that. So.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Go blue. Go Blue. And for the chaos of it all, that would be fun. God.

[B]

All right. About myself.

[A]

Just where I want to be. Pintos. Mitch.

[C]

All right, Mitch.

[A]

You against the world.

[C]

Boys, I cannot thank you enough. It feels so good to have you by my side. Because earlier this year, I had to fight a battle alone. Victorious. But I had to fight a battle alone.

[A]

Would you like us to text you during the game when things are going good?

[C]

Yeah, absolutely. I love to know my boys are riding with me. I think that's awesome. Even if I don't get to, I don't know the 46 commercial breaks there are when everybody goes on their phone anyway, like, yeah, all right. That'd be awesome. You guys don't have to though. If that's how you guys play games. I don't change up for me, like, just enjoy the game.

[A]

This is your game.

[C]

I want to appreciate your game.

[A]

We want to love you. How you this game.

[C]

This game's not about me. That's the thing. Like, I had my time at Michigan. It's about those kids. It's about Bredesen who might not play, who is two time captain, full back. The heart and soul of that team. It's about kids like that. That's who it's about. So watch the game. Watch the game. How you watch games. But just know it's Michigan and I cannot wait. Mitch will be at the house. I guess I'll get like gout free pizza. We can get pizza. No, My life's so different now, man. I'll have like carrots and. Or whatever. I have to eat beans. No, then I'll get. I'll get Mitch food. I'll just stare at his food.

[A]

I'll get Mitch food.

[C]

I'll get him.

[A]

I like that.

[C]

I'll have my dog boy bowl of food. Whatever the.

[A]

I'm allowed to eat just a PB and J in a dog bowl.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know, dude. The bread. Who knows the jelly, you know, the sweets and the jelly. I'm in hell. Anyway. Go blue. Boys, any parting thoughts? We're good. Subscribe so close to 700,000.

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