The Miz On WWE Deal W/ Netflix & ESPN + Working W/ John Cena & The Rock + Wrestlepalooza | Bussin'

Summary

Podcast Summary: Bussin' With The Boys — The Miz On WWE, Netflix, ESPN, and Wrestling Legends

Episode: The Miz On WWE Deal W/ Netflix & ESPN + Working W/ John Cena & The Rock + Wrestlepalooza
Date: September 16, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton & Taylor Lewan
Guest: The Miz (Mike Mizanin)

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Overview

This episode of "Bussin' With The Boys" features WWE Superstar The Miz (Mike Mizanin) for an in-depth conversation about WWE’s blockbuster deals with Netflix and ESPN, the evolution of pro wrestling, and his experiences working with legends like John Cena and The Rock. The episode also delves deeply into fatherhood, childhood nostalgia, and the unique grind of both pro wrestling and NFL life. The boys wrap up with a spirited back-and-forth about sports fandom, the upcoming Wrestlepalooza, and what legacy and personal moments mean to The Miz.

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Major Topics & Key Insights

1. WWE’s Big Moves: Netflix & ESPN (1:47:00–2:13:00)

• WWE’s Growth and Evolution:
  The Miz discusses how WWE went from struggling to fill seats to achieving global reach through breakthrough media deals.

  “Now looking at where we are, we’re on Netflix... It’s right there, number one show. That’s generating a whole new fan base.” — The Miz (1:47:45)

• ESPN Partnership & Wrestlepalooza:
  The first major Premium Live Event (PLE) to air on ESPN is Wrestlepalooza, now added to WWE’s “Big Six” events.

  “It’s a big deal... ESPN is the worldwide leader in sports. It feels like we’re getting out there more in the world.” — The Miz (1:48:00)

• The Impact on Younger Fans:
  On-demand streaming enables younger kids to experience wrestling when they want, expanding WWE’s relevance.

  “My buddy’s three boys didn’t really watch until you were on Netflix... Now it’s always on, when they get home from school.” — (1:47:50)

2. Legends, Lessons & Locker Room Culture (41:00–1:01:00)

• Learning from John Cena:
  The Miz shares how Cena’s professionalism, dedication to craft—including learning Mandarin for WWE—helped shape The Miz’s own approach.

  “John taught me how to actually hear an audience and what to do with the audience.” — The Miz (40:28)

• Ring Psychology:
  The art of reading crowds, improvising live, and using subtle cues to adjust matches for maximum excitement.

  “It’s a science out here... you have to listen to them. What does this crowd need?” — The Miz (43:10)

• WWE’s Locker Room Hazing:
  The Miz recounts his early WWE days, including being shunned from the locker room and forced to earn his place by “walking on eggshells.”

  “I got kicked out of the locker room... took like six months to get back in. You shook everyone’s hand, you looked everyone in the eye.” — The Miz (1:40:58)

• Working with The Rock & Cena:
  Personal stories of crossing paths with legends and being on the biggest stages, including main-eventing WrestleMania as a heel.

3. The Road to WWE: From Real World to WrestleMania (53:10–1:06:00)

• Reality TV Beginnings:
  The Miz describes going from “The Real World” to taking a gamble on pro wrestling, facing skepticism for being a “no-talent hack” reality star.

  “Back then, being on a reality show, you were a no-talent hack... people didn’t think you belonged in WWE.” — The Miz (88:45)

• Tough Enough & Development:
  Gritty tales of surviving hellish tryouts, taking pay cuts, getting the “Ryan Seacrest of WWE” pitch, and fighting to be recognized as a legit performer.

4. Wrestling, Work Ethic & Adapting (1:34:00–1:47:00)

• Handling Disappointment:
  Plans change quickly in wrestling—like having a championship match taken away an hour before showtime.

  “If someone told me, ‘you’re the guy,’ then... ‘you’re not the guy,’... I’ll make them believe I am the guy.” — The Miz (1:47:36)

• Pitching & Reinvention:
  The Miz is constantly “pitching ideas”—even in his 20th year—and emphasizes never letting management forget his value.

5. Parenting, Fatherhood & Life Beyond the Ring (64:30–84:10)

• Being a Girl Dad:
  Deep-dive into parenting philosophies: balancing career and family, routines, handling emotions, home-schooling, and extracurriculars like jiu-jitsu and gymnastics.

  “There’s never been something so confusing in my life than parenting.” — The Miz (1:19:14) “I want my daughters to be able to take care of themselves... confidence level knowing you can handle yourself.” — The Miz (1:74:35)

• Homeschooling & Montessori:
  Will shares his rave reviews of homeschooling with Montessori philosophy, focusing on creativity and self-reflection.

6. Celebrity Tear Talk & Locker Room Banter (20:10–28:00)

• Celebrity Crush “Tear Talk”:
  Light-hearted segment where the boys and The Miz rank their childhood celebrity crushes (Topanga, Margot Robbie, Kelly Kapowski, and more).

  “When I was a kid, Topanga from Boy Meets World—massive, massive crush.” — Will (21:26)

• Locker Room Nostalgia:
  Reminiscing over early gaming consoles, Blockbuster, and what growing up before the internet was like.

7. Fandom, Sports Heartbreak & Banter (111:42–1:30:00)

• Football Fandom Pain:
  The Miz, a lifelong Cleveland Browns fan, commiserates with the boys over perennial sports heartbreak.

  “You don’t know what pain is... Cleveland thrives on its sports, and when they're bad, it’s depressing.” — The Miz (1:17:09)

• Rivalries:
  Michigan vs. Nebraska (the “Bussin’ Bowl”), WWE event timing conflicts, and banter about sports legacies and heartbreak.

  “No one could show up [to our game], and Will and I would be excited about it.” — Taylor (1:24:54)

8. Personal Legacy, Mentorship & Moments (2:13:00–2:23:00)

• Creating Lifetime Moments:
  The Miz is passionate about giving families moments to cherish—“It’s those father moments where you’re like, this is great.” — The Miz (2:13:29)

• John Cena’s Farewell:
  Miz expresses gratitude for learning from Cena and hopes to pass lessons down the line as WWE’s new generation rises.

  “I got to learn from John Cena, and now these kids coming up won’t get that. My job is to pass it on.” — The Miz (1:11:01)

• Personal Wish:
  In a touching close, The Miz wishes for one-on-one time with his father, reflecting on family, aging, and legacy.

  “I would give anything to have a dinner with my dad—just my dad.” — The Miz (2:16:47)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On John Cena & Audience Work:
  “He taught me how to listen to an audience, hear an audience, and know what to do with that audience.” — The Miz (40:28)
• On Scrutiny & Drive:
  “I prefer being a bad guy... it fires me up when someone tells me I can’t do something.” — The Miz (1:41:05)
• On Parenting:
  “There’s never been something so confusing in my life than parenting... how can I develop her confidence?” — The Miz (1:19:14)
• On WWE’s Media Deals:
  “We’re pulling out all the stops... being on ESPN, having our big events there, it’s going to be amazing.” — The Miz (1:48:38)
• On Legacy:
  “My job when I go in that ring is to create a moment that’ll last a lifetime.” — The Miz (2:11:40)
• On Family:
  “He tells everybody else [he’s proud], but not me... I just want to hang out with him.” — The Miz (2:16:40)

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Key Timestamps

• 15:00 — The Miz enters and joins "Tear Talk"
• 34:44 — How The Miz met his wife (WWE Diva Search)
• 40:00–44:00 — Learning from John Cena, crowd psychology
• 47:16–48:52 — WWE politics: last-minute changes, handling disappointments
• 53:10–61:00 — The Real World, reality TV roots, transition to wrestling
• 64:30–71:00 — Parenting, being a girl dad, routines, and presence
• 80:00–86:35 — Homeschooling, Montessori, and child development
• 107:03–112:59 — Wrestlepalooza, WWE on ESPN & Netflix details
• 1:13:11–1:24:04 — Football fandom, Browns pain, and the heartbreak of loving a losing team
• 1:34:00–1:44:57 — Creating legacy moments in WWE for fans and family
• 1:47:00–1:56:00 — Deeper dive on Wrestlepalooza, event hype, and why it matters

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Tone & Feel

True to "Bussin’ With The Boys" style, the episode is rowdy but heartfelt—mixing irreverent locker-room energy, 90s childhood nostalgia, honest parenting struggles, and respect for what it takes to make it in top-tier sports and entertainment. The Miz is charismatic and direct, sharing stories with humility, humor, and a motivational edge.

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Conclusion

This episode is a must-listen for wrestling fans, dads, and anyone who loves hearing how drive, resilience, and authenticity shape great careers—and great families. The Miz’s behind-the-scenes stories reveal not only the spectacle of WWE, but the grind, sacrifice, and humanity behind the glitz. With football and wrestling colliding, and generational change on the horizon, this conversation is both a look back at storied traditions and a glance toward new frontiers in sports entertainment.

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Featured Quotes Recap:

• "My job when I go in that ring is to create a moment that’ll last a lifetime." — The Miz (2:13:02)
• "If someone told me, ‘you’re the guy,’ then... ‘you’re not the guy,’... I’ll make them believe I am the guy." — The Miz (1:47:36)
• "John Cena taught me how to actually hear an audience… that’s one of the biggest things I learned from him." — The Miz (40:28)
• "I would give anything to have a dinner with my dad—just my dad." — The Miz (2:16:47)

Wrestlepalooza:
Sept 20, 2025, ESPN, 7:00pm ET — John Cena’s farewell tour, couples matches, and more.
Don’t miss it.

Transcript

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[D]

Big birthday weekend.

[B]

Big birthday weekend. Will, it's his birthday.

[D]

Birthday's off. We lose this game. I know my birthday happens on Friday.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But if we lose Saturday, we got to be like, all right, birthday 35 again. I'm 35 again.

[B]

Right. We're just. That's a good way to go backwards in time.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You'll just restart everything. Yeah. And there was a bet that was suggested, suggested on Monday. That bet, shortly after the show was filmed was agreed upon.

[D]

They'll have to find out in the locker room.

[B]

Okay, bleep that out. Bleep that out. It'll be on the locker room. Bleep that out. Make sure you write that on your Notes Mitch, bleep that out.

[D]

But for those that watch the recap with the bets were thrown around, said, we'll talk about it. We. We got, you know, the show happened afterwards. We figured something out. You will find out what that is on the locker room. This game is everything. The minute the game ended yesterday between both teams, because I was watching your guys game a little bit, I was obviously watching the Huskers juggling the two kiddos. I had rue, hey, we got to watch the Huskers. Like, this is. This is. This is not. This is non negotiable. But the minute that game ended, I shot the text. I said, it's go time.

[B]

Who'd you shoot it to?

[D]

Coach rule.

[B]

Okay? Because I was. I was literally thinking. I was thinking my cta, CTE brain. I'm like, I don't remember getting a.

[D]

Text from Will, but he said, it's go time.

[B]

What?

[D]

I paced around. I just paced around my house. You know how I pace, right? I can't be on the phone and like, I'm a pacer, right? I probably paced around the house for the next 15, 20 minutes.

[B]

I watched the game, Michigan versus Central Michigan. It was a great game. If you're a Michigan fan, to watch it be like, that's. That's what you want to see going into Big Ten play. Because that's what this is. At the end of the day, it's the start of Big Ten play kicks off. I am at a hummingbird thing, Expedition Hummingbird festival. And my wife's like, hey, we're going for five minutes. The whole thing. I did a whole thing on Twitter about this where it's like, I inceptioned my wife Thursday, Friday, like, hey, they play at 11. I love to watch the game. They played 11. I love to watch the Game. Woke up at 9, get everything done, and I get to the farmer's market at 10 or 9:15, 9:30, ish. We get everything going and I get in the car and it's like 10:15. And Taylin, my beautiful wife, I love her to death. Seriously, she's the greatest thing that's ever happened to me. However, looks me in the eyes and goes, there's this hummingbird thing going on. Hummingbird festival right on Highway 100. I told the kids about it. They really want to go. First off, Taylin and your family watches the show. Shame on you. Shame on you for telling our kids about it before you even came to me. Shame on you about that. That's not okay.

[D]

Knowing that this situation, this moment was going to come up because whether Taylor. You're gonna back me into a corner.

[B]

Yeah. Whether Taylor wants to not remember or remember. I guarantee the words were said because I had a little note thing in my phone saying how many times did you say to Taylin? And I checked it off six or seven times. So I was keeping. Because I brain. I can get a little bit. Whoa. Every once in a while, right. I start getting a little. See, I take a couple hits. I dove into a few too many piles. So I know I can forget some things sometimes. So I wanted to make sure I took care of my house first. Make sure you mention it to him. They play at 11. That started Thursday when I got home from ESPN. Played 11 cent. I played 11 on Saturday. And so I'm at this hummingbird festival and I am. And my kids are having a good time. God bless them. God bless my children. They had this little. These little passport cards. They get stamps on arts and crafts everywhere. I'm sure they had fun. When Rebel Lewand. My daughter is like, mommy, we shouldn't stay very long because Michigan plays. That was big. That was big. I bribed my kids. I do. Oh, yeah, sue me. I. I got. I went to five daughters. I said, I got us. I gotta hang out. It's a six pack. You guys want to watch the game with daddy? These are available to you if you watch the game with daddy. And I did say if they're jazzed up. Oh, go blue, daddy, go blue. We're all about it. We're gonna beat them. When it's going to people in the farmers market being like, you know, Michigan beat a beat Ohio last year. She didn't say. I never told her. We don't say Ohio State because I think that's kind of lame as. But she keeps going. We keep beating Ohio. We can't lose to Ohio. All these things I go, I watch the game. It is what it is. You said you paced.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I took a nap right after. It felt good. It felt good to see that game.

[D]

You guys have. You guys. Organization is a different. You guys are at a different spot culture wise.

[B]

What I like about this game is it's going to be so telling for both. Both programs. You know, you got this two five star quarterbacks going on it. Both considered to be generational talents. I love what Matt Rule has done with that program. I love the turnaround you put. Yeah, you've played nobodies, but at the end of the day, like you've produced against nobodies the way you should Produce, and that's a sign of a really good football team. Big fan of Rule. Who's Dana Holgerson? Dana Holgerson. He's a stud. Special Mike Eckler. Big fan. Eckler. I said this already. Show Cincinnati. I'm looking at me, I'm all, I'm a big Greg that kind of, like, shown off. Hey, I'm supporting the boys, and I go, but in a couple weeks, it's not gonna be the same. He looks me dead in the eyes and says, we don't need your support. And that's beautiful. I got. I got Nebraska fans, you, Taylor, all the things. Good, good. Nebraska is on the right track. I love it. I absolutely love it. It's gonna be a great game Saturday. I can't wait.

[D]

So how did it go with the. The daughter story?

[B]

It ended pretty much. I mean, we get to the house.

[D]

Like, did you stay?

[B]

Right? Because I started. We get there, like, the second half is starting while I'm in the car still. And, buddy.

[D]

So did you take the donuts away?

[B]

I told the kids we're walking the car. They go, let's go home, watch the Mission game, eat the donuts. You go. Rumors are swirling that the donuts are no longer available.

[D]

I would have been working the politics. Like, this would have been a game of Survivor. Wife tells me that, hey, sweetheart, you know, hey, if we go to this hummingbird thing, donuts are gone.

[B]

Donuts are gone.

[D]

I would have bought 10, 15 extra minutes. There would have been an Uber and a black SUV would have pulled up at. Sweetheart. Yeah, you guys go to the almonds.

[B]

Black, too, is hilarious, dude. We went. And at this, I'm like, sitting there. I'm like, I'm obviously not present right now. And I. But it's like, I know that my wife knows that my kids are pretty aware of that, that I don't want to be here. And it's like, if my kids know, I pop on the YouTube TV on my. My phone. I just got it sitting there. Funny enough. Some guy next to me, he's like, it's 21 0. And I go, are you talking about the Mission game? He goes, I can't get it up on my phone. I have bad service. I go, buddy, come over here. We started watching the game together, made a couple of friends, so ended up working out, but still tailing. You can't. You can't operate like that.

[D]

That's it. You got to have good situational football. That's one. Hey, this is shit that gets you beat, right?

[B]

And I think that Taylor would argue that is good situational football because that's the shit that got her to a hummingbird festival.

[D]

But you guys are not aligned. You're not on the same team.

[B]

You know what I mean? Right, right. And I, Yeah, it's, it's, it's tough for me to say that Taylor cares about Michigan as much as I care about Michigan. It's tough.

[D]

But either way, it was a.

[B]

She's Canadian. She doesn't understand American college sports. She doesn't understand the team keys.

[D]

Going to the weekend was 11am Micho.

[B]

Let me tell you where Taylor's up. After the game, I'm talking to Taylor. After my nap, I'm talking to Taylin. I'm telling her how, like, how big of a game this is for you. And if it doesn't go the way for you, it might affect our relationship in a way that I don't know if we can come back from. And Dan goes, that's. What are you talking about? Like, it's, it's, isn't it a bit with Will in Nebraska. Honey, we all thought it was for the last four years. We all thought it was. But sweetheart. I hit it with the sweetheart too. Sweetheart. I really think at this point he believes the words that come out of his mouth consistent. And I'm not that. No, I think Nebraska is a good ball club this year. I'm saying like the three and nine year, the seven, like last year. The whole, like the whole, the whole thing works where it's like Will is truly believing all this. And I think if it doesn't go his way, like, busing might be in trouble.

[D]

No, because if you, if you trust my words, then I've always said our relate. Nothing's going to happen to our relationship. Like, yeah, it's going to suck.

[B]

Like Michigan and Nebraska play. We want Michigan won 45 to 7. And shortly after that, Will, you told me that you want Michigan to fail.

[D]

Because the way you would just pat me on the head, like, I can't help the way I react to the things that you might do. But I'm just saying, like, the reason I'm so juice is I care. I care about the program. It's not just this one game. Like, there's no taking a nap on any week after Nebraska plays. Because I'm thinking about the next week, the next week, the next week. If we get this game, it's out there for us. It's out there for us to run the table. If we take a lump in this Game. We're going to have to bounce back. But it's like, what, what team do we have? Is it going to have. Are we going to get. Are we going to get beat by Michigan? It's gonna be Michigan, USC and Penn State. Then you're not in the playoff if you lose three games. Like, I still see us going to it. No, we're taking care of Iowa, buddy. That's where my confidence, my confidence goes up to that point. But now I'm at the, I'm at the spot of like the, the real healthy, optimistic nerves of like, is this, Is this the era? Is this it? We look good. I know we've played some slap dicks, but this is, you know, you're a little. I'm nervous for the game in general. Yeah, of course I want to beat you, but it's not. If this isn't like, if we get beat, I'm just going to be sad and I'm going to be disappointed and I'm going to have to. I'm going to have to handle myself a lot better because I could be like a caged animal that, you know, might loses himself. And I'm going to have to call a therapist right after the game if we do lose the game.

[B]

Right. Can I just tell you how the last couple hours have gone this Monday? I'm worried about your mentals. If Michigan wins, that's okay.

[D]

That's. Again, that's a friend. If we're, if we're coaching ball inside of Will's body, that's outside noise. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah, but I'm saying the outside action, I don't know what's going inside your body, but the outside action is like, is Will okay right now? And it's Monday.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I'm.

[D]

Buddy, I'm excited. I'm ready to go. But this is, this is our first big test. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, this is me. This is me. Any big test we have. And if I'm thinking like, hey, we can win this game. Like, this is, this is Willie C. 247 with the Huskers.

[B]

I love it.

[D]

This game does mean more, but it's, you know, listen, we're gonna be fine.

[B]

Tell them about our beautiful guest we have today.

[D]

Will the Miz. Just a specimen of a human being. Good looking cat. Then he gets here in a few minutes. Oh, miss is here.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

Oh, the Miz is here.

[B]

The Miz is here. Here. He's not. He's in the building. He is in the building. He's ready to come on the bus.

[D]

When you boys are ready. Here's all I hear. Put this, run this through the chain. If Miz can talk some ball, he can come on right now. We can talk some ball can miss.

[B]

Hear me right now. He. He can. Mr. Miz, Mr. Biz, are you there?

[D]

Taylor.

[B]

Hey, hold on, hold on, hold on. J.P. ask him if he knows ball. It's the Miz.

[D]

Hey, does he love ball?

[B]

I'm not doing the role play thing with you again because I see the Rose spicy tear talk on here and I remember the. The. The back and forth that you and Will had. Oh, tough. I just. Tough and beautiful. What are you saying?

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[A]

I was like. I walked in the. You got a suit on. Of course I did. Other side. And I was so angry.

[B]

I was like, wait a second.

[A]

This is an office. Nice to meet you. I don't want to be in an office. I want to be in a bus. I. I thought it was a bus.

[B]

You look.

[D]

You look sharp.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Yeah. You look fantastic.

[A]

I want to dress up for you guys.

[B]

Okay. I got. I got to hit the deliverables.

[A]

Yeah, give it up.

[B]

No doubt about it. We're just moving cameras.

[A]

So is this the original? Really? And you brought it? I. So I was telling your guys over on the other side, I was like. I was expecting, like, in the middle of a. Like a field, just a bus. And literally, you walk on the bus. And that's what I was expecting. I was literally expecting to walk on. I was not expecting, like, it was a huge warehouse.

[D]

You got some stuff going on.

[A]

It's big. You got a ton of stuff going on.

[B]

But it didn't start like this. It started in the back of a gravel parking lot.

[D]

It started how you expected it.

[B]

That's the origin story I wanted.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I wanted.

[D]

Going on a generator. We would have had to cut the AC because it makes too much noise, and we would have been sweating. You would have been really sweating in that. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I would have done it, though. I would. I would have been.

[D]

Because you're a grinder.

[B]

Yeah, I'm.

[A]

I'm a man of the grind.

[B]

Let's go. You're a man of the grind. Absolutely. So what we just did right now, just recently, was read. Are we rolling right now? We did this recently. We read an ad for Rose Sparks. And we. We usually do, like a spicy little tear talk that goes with it. Sherman, what's the category today?

[D]

Celebrity crushes.

[B]

Celebrity crush. So, okay, this. I think this is a good. This is a good ice breaking situation for the Miz himself. Okay. Can. You seem like a ladies man. You seem like a guy that can handle his business between the sheets.

[A]

I do have a wife.

[B]

Okay. And I'm sure before.

[D]

And then.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And your wife, she's beautiful and amazing as well. Celebrity crushes, though, when I was a kid. When you were a kid. Now the way tear talk works is you can have an honorable mention if you want, if you like. There's more than three, then we're going to go to tier three and we're gonna say this is my third place person. Tier two. And then finally your tier one will be it. Okay.

[A]

I have my tier. I have my tier one.

[B]

Right. And out of respect for you and you getting comfortable on the bus, I'm gonna have Will Compton go first. Oh. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna. Will Compton go first?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because I've got two in my head. But I need. I got three, actually. I'm good to go.

[A]

How many do I need?

[B]

3.

[D]

If you have more, you can just start throwing out honorable mentions.

[B]

Right. Because this might turn into like. Oh, yeah.

[D]

Oh, yeah, it is gonna turn into that. Because it's hard for me to think about all of my celebrity crushes throughout life. I do have some that jump out at me. I know. I'll just say this for my tier three. When I was a young little boy, I loved poison Ivy in Batman. Poison. I had the poster. I might have kissed the poster a couple times. I was young.

[B]

That's okay.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My tier two, I'm gonna say Topanga from Boy Meets World. Massive, massive crush in my tier one. Listen, this is. This is Margot Robbie. This is the top spot. Margot. Margot Robbie, Wolf of Wall Street.

[A]

Like, wait, how old are you? I was older, like, five years ago.

[D]

Yeah. This is one where even with.

[B]

My wife's married, has kids.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

I have a wife. She knows I love Margot Robbie.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

We might watch the Hall Pass movie, and I might be like, hey, Margo Robbie. And she might say somebody.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

What would be hers? Like, what would be like, hey, no, no.

[D]

But that's where I'd have to shut it down.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I heard Charles say a lot of things about the guy who hosted the Netflix show Battle Camp. Have you heard that? Like, I don't know that's on Netflix. Yeah. I didn't get Reunited Season two.

[A]

So good, though.

[B]

Who is the host?

[A]

The Poison Ivy. And then.

[D]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

There he is.

[D]

And I gotta give an honorable mention to Patty Mayonnaise from Doug. Mention the Patty Mayonnaise from my favorite.

[A]

Cartoon growing up as a kid.

[D]

Yes, sir.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah, Doug.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not da, da, da. It's Doug. Right? They're saying Doug in the song.

[B]

They got you.

[D]

I thought it was duh. Maybe it is.

[B]

I think it's worth a Google.

[A]

I feel like it was like. I don't know, man. I.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Skeeter.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Mr. Miss, please keep that microphone closer to your face just for. Just for everyone who's listening.

[A]

My tear voice projects.

[B]

It does.

[A]

Okay. Sometimes I pop.

[B]

That's okay.

[A]

That's why he's got.

[B]

He's got a big fluff on top of his microphone because he's a popper as well. My tier three, and I'm having a hard time kind of like putting these everywhere. But Cameron Diaz, Charlie's Angels growing up.

[D]

Oh, I forgot Pamela Anderson.

[B]

Yeah, Pamela Anderson's. Anyone will give her the honorable mention. That can be for all of us. Unless you disagree.

[A]

Well, I mean, I. I didn't go yet.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, you're right. Oh, also, dude, I'm not even doing my own show. So after tear talk, we go around the room and we give one word to describe how we feel about the individual's tear talk. So for Will, I'll say hyphenated. Spot on.

[D]

You like old poison Ivy.

[B]

Yeah, Mitchie, go ahead.

[A]

Good.

[B]

Hyphenated roast. Sparks. I don't know what I'm saying.

[D]

Welcome to the show, man.

[B]

Yeah, that's not. That's two words. Solid. Just solid. Okay, Mr. Ms. Fire. Oh, there we go. Very nice. So Cameron Diaz is my tier three. My tier two is going to go to. It's gonna have to go to Topanga. It's gonna go to Topanga from Boy Meets World. I think every kid first off the show, the lessons it teaches you. Incredible. Mr. Feeny on the other side of the fence. But anytime Topanga walked into that screen and that same hallway that with all the locker rooms or they're in the cafe, it's like, that's our girl. That's our girl that we grew up with. How old are you?

[A]

Are you. Are you gonna vote for her on Dancing with the Stars?

[B]

Oh, I've kind of fallen off the topic.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Since.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'm really going back in my.

[A]

I understand. But this is your Childhood. She's gonna dance. She needs your vote.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so maybe I will.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think it's a good point. I need a support.

[A]

Shocked you guys aren't on Dancing with the Stars yet.

[D]

I'm shocked, too.

[A]

Huh? I mean, would you do it?

[D]

Absolutely, I would do.

[A]

You would? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I'll try and guide. Give my best shot.

[B]

Yeah. I think.

[D]

I don't know if I move very well, but I would love Danny Amidola.

[A]

Did a great job last year.

[D]

Yeah, you get some really good training. I feel like.

[B]

Oh, yes, you do, though. He's a unique white boy. My tier one, I forgot who it is. Oh, no, I didn't. My tier one is Mila Kunes from that 70s show.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

I loved Mila Kunis. I think. I mean, to this day, I think she's beautiful. She's incredible. I just can't say enough about her. Big fan.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Big fan. And that is my tear talk.

[A]

Love it.

[D]

Solid love.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hyphenated. Nailed it. Can I give one more? Oh, yeah.

[D]

Rocket.

[B]

She's a rocket. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One more honorable mention. It has to go Megan Fox and Transformers.

[D]

Oh, buddy.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

That is my tear talk.

[D]

There's this gal, too, in the music video. I like the way you move in that music video. There's a gal, she's a dark skin that I was into.

[B]

Who was the. Who's the girl? She's super famous model. She was in the. Everybody get out. Okay, Mitch. I knew he'd fall for that one. Yeah, that one. That moved it around, too. That moved it around.

[A]

Well, that was the first time that you're like, wait, this is a music video?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like, this is. This is not pg 13. This is not rated R. Right? This is. This is a little much.

[B]

Yeah. I remember also the first time the Whopper music video came out, and I saw it in the locker room at the Titans with Russ Grimm, who's our coach. He's like 65 years old, a Hall of Fame guy. And watching that with all the guys, it was like, those ladies are too much for me. I would not be able to handle that in the bedroom. But it was an aggressive deal.

[D]

That was her. That was her.

[B]

That was an aggressive deal.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Do I get to go.

[D]

Hey, Megan, good shout out. Megan, good as well?

[B]

I. Go ahead, miss.

[A]

All right, so. All right. My tear talk. All right, here we go. So do we do honorable mentions first or last? You do now, you know. I'll do third place. Okay, third place. I might be a little older than you. Guys. And I think I am. So I'm gonna go with say by the bell. Kelly Kapowski. Tiffany Amber Thiessen.

[B]

Great pole.

[A]

And since we're going with cartoons, I mean, you went panty ban. A's. I mean, if you want to go with a cartoon, you go with Jessica Rabbit likes Curves. Do you not even know? I feel like I.

[D]

Tell me the show.

[A]

It's not a show. It's a movie.

[B]

Who Framed Roger Rabbit? And a red dress. Look, cocktail dress, big bazongas, big, great, great pool.

[D]

I gotta get.

[A]

I mean, I can't believe you didn't even know who that. Have you been seeing who Framed Roger Rabbit? I might be in our.

[D]

I don't know if I have. I don't think I have.

[B]

Wow. Yeah.

[D]

How old are you?

[A]

I'm 44. Turning 45.

[B]

Oh, so you and Will are the same age?

[D]

No, 36.

[B]

He's turning 46 on September.

[A]

Happy birthday.

[D]

Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

Day before my daughter. Okay. And number one is Pamela Anderson. When I was a kid growing up, there was nothing bigger than Baywatch, nothing bigger than Pamela Anderson. Honorable mentions. I had posters of Shania Twain, a huge poster of Shine on my wall, and for some reason, Victoria Silverson. I think I just found that at the local Spencers. And I was just like, this is a hot chick. Let's just put her on. Can we.

[B]

Can we get a picture of it? I don't even know who that is. Victoria Silverson. Is that what it was?

[A]

Erica Lydiak was the first Playboy I ever saw.

[B]

Nice, dude. There was a place down 8th Avenue. I don't have. Familiar with Nashville, but they have this place called Cool Stuff, Weird Things. And I walked in there when my wife and I first met, and they had, like, five or six, like, shelves full of, like, old Playboy vintage magazines. And I bought, like, a bunch of them for, like, 20 bucks. And it's like a different world back then, in the 70s. Yeah. Different world back then.

[D]

Well, his decade. It's like, you know. I know.

[A]

Back in Houston.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I'm just gonna say, what was it like in the magazine era?

[A]

Oh, my God. I mean, it was. I remembered a time when there wasn't an Internet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you remember a time when there's no Internet?

[D]

Like, I remember.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

But I was young. Like, what was the year that the Internet.

[B]

2000. Like, six or. Sorry, 1990. Six or seven.

[D]

Around then. I'm like, eight years old. Seven. Eight years old.

[A]

So now I'm going into high school.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, I remember the aol and I remember like the. The dial up version where it takes an hour just to do anything. Like I remember those days. It's crazy.

[D]

Then you make a mistake in a conversation. You sign out, re sign in, hey, I got hacked.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Basically just change your name to a bunch of lyrics or something.

[B]

Simpler times back then too, man. Like this right here. Standing by that and having the FOMO of knowing all your friends are online.

[A]

Go outside and play. Yeah, that's what we did. Like we played all day instead of being online all day. Yeah, we played video games, right? Nintendo 64 guy, huh? No, I was original Nintendo Nintendo guy. Sega genes. Oh my God. My God, that was the one for me. Like, I liked it better than Super Nintendo.

[B]

Really?

[D]

You're saying you like the Sega more, right?

[A]

I like Sega way more. I like Sonic the Hedgehog. I'm a big fan.

[B]

Were you.

[D]

Did you play Madden on Sega where you had to like double tap the buttons?

[A]

I wasn't a big Madden guy. I was more of like a Mortal Kombat guy. So like I liked the Sega Genesis version because there was blood and then the Super Nintendo didn't have blood. So I like the. The Sega Genesis.

[D]

Then you'd be crushed when mom would tell you, we got to go take it back to Best Buy.

[A]

What do you mean?

[D]

Like, take it back to the video game store?

[A]

Oh my God. Blockbuster.

[D]

I was like, my fault.

[A]

Blockbuster? Yeah. Back in the day. Yeah. But I mean, my parents would buy me the stuff usually.

[D]

Nice.

[B]

All right, congrats on my way. Yeah, I had my way.

[A]

I need to rent stuff. All right. Yeah, I mean, I remember Neo Geo. You probably probably don't remember that. TurboGrafx 16. No, like, these are like very. They weren't like as popular as the Nintendo's or the Sega Genesis, but man, they were the best.

[B]

64 to this day is my favorite game console of all time.

[A]

What's the game that you would.

[B]

The game for me is Super Smash Brothers.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Huge. Super Smash Guy loved play. Like, I remember I was big, big Link Kirby guy. Then I got to college and there's this kid named Jack Greenlee who like knew how to play with all the characters really well. And I learned this character Ness and I kind of, kind of became unstoppable.

[D]

I love 007 GoldenEye.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah, that's a NFL Blitz 97 2000.

[A]

Like I'm a super technical guy.

[B]

Really?

[A]

You're not?

[B]

No.

[A]

Oh my gosh. That is like the game of all games. Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen, you were unstoppable if you played with the. The.

[B]

With.

[A]

With.

[B]

The Miz knows more ball than us.

[A]

The Raiders, man.

[B]

The circumstance we still have to give one word to describe.

[A]

Oh, thanks.

[D]

Incredible.

[A]

Aged weather. Perfect.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Perfection.

[B]

Fine wine. Hyphenated. Hyphenated. The Miz.

[A]

Oh, legendary. Thank you.

[B]

Stellar. I see we're going in the back already, making our guests feel comfortable.

[D]

One thing we didn't do. This is our. This is our Bud Light interview.

[B]

And this Bud Light interview. Mizzy, if you're wondering, have you had a Bud Light before? Yeah. My man. Bud Light is always brewed with four simple ingredients for a clean Chris taste. Bud Light official is the official beer sponsor of the NFL. The NFL Draft. Tight end you, the UFC, Shane Gillis's 2025 tour. Bud Light partners include Peyton Manning, George Kittle, Terry Lawan, Baker Mayfield, Will Compton, Emmett Smith, Shane Gills, Post Malone, Duster Poirier. Stock up on Bud Light. Now head to www.budlight.com locator to find a store near you. Easy to drink, easy to.

[A]

Wait, where is that? That is a collection of a party I want to be a part of. My God, that sounds like a blast.

[B]

Shane Gillis. Post Malone, Dustin Poirier, Terrell Lawan. Will Compton. Baker Mayfield, Emmett Smith, Peyton Manning, George Kittle.

[D]

It's a good party.

[B]

I mean, that's a good time body. That's a good crew of boys right there. That is a good, good crew of hangouts. But, yeah, dude, welcome to the show.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

And you were talking before. I don't know if we were running during it.

[D]

Comes on right away. We're talking celebrity crushes, dick bills.

[B]

And good on you for never wavering. Right? You get on. Hey, you look like a handsome guy. You must have crushed it. Boom. I'm married. I'm like, hey, we all are, too. Or just saying. We're just saying. But you've handled yourself in a way that's like you're fitting right in right away.

[A]

My wife is hotter than all of them.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

I think my wife over any woman, any day, all day, every day.

[B]

And I. I don't know if I know this correctly, but you met your wife while hosting a TV show, wwe.

[A]

So WWE had a show called the Diva Search, where we'd find the next WW Women's superstar. And my wife was a contestant. I was the host. And our first interaction was on tv. And you can literally watch. She didn't speak English. She spoke French. Yeah. So she spoke zero. So. So imagine this Woman coming from Montreal, spoke zero English, and she's trying out to be a WWE Superstar.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, how crazy is that? And then she goes in there and she's like, I am going to give 110. I'm like, Whoa, I don't want this cookie cutter answer. Give me a real answer. I want the real. That's actually it right there. And she was like, I don't speak English. So I was like, speak in French. And then she would give us these answers in French. And like, you didn't. You didn't know what she was saying, but you knew what she was saying, Right? You felt it, but there was something there. There was always been something there.

[B]

So how does that process? Like, you're filming the show, obviously, there's days and days of shooting. You're the host, so you have to stay focused. But there's this beautiful woman over there in the corner that's speaking French in a tongue you don't understand, but you're looking over like, hey, this could be something.

[D]

Love to read the catch.

[A]

Honestly, I think it could be something. I mean, I was looking at her like, this girl's out of my league. I don't think. I don't think I could get a woman like this. Yeah, I'll never forget, like, our first date was she got signed to W. She didn't win the Diva Search. She got signed to wwe. She was down in developmental. She was coming up to the main roster where I was. And so I invited her. I said, hey, we're all going out after the show. Because that's what we do. We go out, find a place to eat that's open at 11 o'. Clock. That's when our show ends. And so she went. We went to this pizza place. She didn't sit at my table. She said, another table, which I thought was very intriguing. I was like, okay, all right. All right, let's play. So then after the place let out, everyone left, and we stayed in the parking lot and talked and we just talked. And by the way, it was broken English, but I still understood what she was saying. We had great conversation. And so we started driving. Like, we were like, it's getting late. We need to go back to the hotel. And so we start driving. And I'm like, pull over, pull over. And there was this, like, I don't know what you want to call it. Like an adult store.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was like, I. I don't want to be in the friend zone. I want to make sure this girl knows, like, I'm A catch. Like, I'm. I'm. I'm here to play, you know?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we go into this place and it was not. It was like, in Wichita, Kansas, you know? And it's not like one of those super mega stores. Not the classiest place you'd want to.

[D]

Yeah, the Midwestern state.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's a.

[B]

A little rough. Yeah.

[A]

You walk in, there's like, gags everywhere. I'm like, oh, my God. And I was like. She was just like. I'm like, get into that or that? What about that? Oh, how's that? Well, yeah, like, I'm trying to. I'm trying to. You want to play chess? You want to play checkers? Let's go.

[B]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[A]

We go outside. We go outside. And we ended up talking for, like, I would say, like, until our plane. Until we, like, until the. The morning came and we went straight to the plane. And I remember I got off my flight and went straight to a Barnes and Noble and got like. Because we didn't have duolingo back then. I got like, a book that tried to teach me how to speak French because I was like, I gotta learn French. I mean, if I can only get. I remember telling myself, if I only get a girl like this, I'd be truly happy. And then there I am.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah, man. French, huh?

[D]

Did you learn some French?

[A]

I'm trying.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I'm still in the process.

[A]

I mean, I, like, I'm on day 1000 on Duolingo, and I. It is not. I mean, I can read it. I can read some of the stuff, but it's hard to talk about it. And the reason I wanted to start. Really. Where I really started being like, I need to speak French is when I got daughters and I was like, wait a second. They're not going to hear us speak French in the household, so they're not going to pick up French because my wife only speaks French with her mom and she speaks English now. So I was like, man, I need to start picking it up. So my daughters pick up French. It's like. It's amazing what you'll do. Like, you're like, ah, my wife. I'll learn a bit of wee wee, you know, and I'll learn that stuff. But then for the K, like, all right, I gotta. I gotta start hammering down. So I'm trying, but it's very difficult.

[D]

Are the kids doing better than you are?

[A]

No. I mean, they know they're. I mean, but Also, they're. They're five and seven. Right. So they. They're. They know they're one. They know they can count to 20. They can. They can have a couple lines here and there, but they're not fluent. Yeah, like, I'd want them to be.

[B]

Right, Right. I feel like they're gonna pick, like. I have two daughters as well, 8 and 5. And my oldest is learning Mandarin. My youngest.

[A]

Wait, what?

[B]

Yes. Where she takes a class, like, with a teacher via Zoom, essentially, like, twice a week. And she's, like, learning about it. She's. She's obsessed with, like, China. Like, she wanted to, I guess.

[D]

China, Chinese?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, the Chinese. Yeah. She's obsessed with it. It's like it started with dragons. Started how to train your dragon, and then she figured out that dragons are big in, like, the Chinese culture, so she became obsessed with the Chinese culture. And then she's like, I want to learn Mandarin. We're like, all right, dude.

[A]

You know who speaks Mandarin?

[B]

Who?

[A]

John Cena.

[B]

No, I think I didn't know that, actually.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

I think I was actually just telling a story about this. People are like, what's one thing that you remember that you always remember about John Cena? And I remember us being on a European tour, and he had flashcards and like. Like a child in elementary school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And on one side was Mandarin. On the other side was the English version. So he was practicing his Mandarin on the European tour, like. And I was like, what are you doing? He's like, I wanted to learn Mandarin. And so WWE has this program where if you want to learn a language, they'll. They'. They'll pay for it all. So he's like, I took him up on the offer. I was. I thought it'd be great to learn Mandarin. And so he knows it. And so I'll never forget watching Train Wreck and him speaking Mandarin. I was like, that's improv right there. Because I know he knows Mandarin. And it's like that he's improving right there, dog.

[B]

That is so awesome.

[D]

Yeah, he seems well put together, dude.

[A]

Very well put together.

[B]

He does.

[A]

I learned a lot from him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

When you're coming up through the ranks of the wwe, is that the guy you look at, you're like, that's the kind of career I want to have.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. When I was coming up, he was the top guy. He was in, like, WWE Champion, and I got to be on live events. Live events, meaning non televised shows that we have, and we have tons of those. Right. And. Or we did. And so I got the opportunity to actually work in a ring with him. And I don't know about you guys in football, but when you work with a person that is an above and beyond different level than you are, especially for an up and comer, like, I imagine rookies in NFL come in there and they think they know everything. They're all like, yeah, I can block. I can. I can do everything, you know? And then you're like, dude, you don't have any idea what you're doing. And then you take that guy aside and you show him. You see the light bulb go off and you're like, oh, wow. And the guy becomes a sponge. That's what I felt like I was to John Cena. I got in the ring with him and he was like, listen. And I'm like, I'm listening to the audience. I hear them chanting, you suck. He's like, you're not listening. You're not listening to him. You're not hearing them. And so he taught me how to actually hear an audience and what to do with that audience. And that's one of the biggest things that I've learned from John Cena is how to listen to an audience, hear an audience, and know what to do with that audience.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Is there like. Is there an example that you can call to that you could. You could practically, like, show us or tell us, like, the audience is doing something. You might have thought one thing or maybe you weren't hearing it at all. It's like, oh, when the audience is.

[A]

Doing this, what if the audience is doing nothing? What if the art. You. You come out and the audience is tired. They've been watching three hours of wrestling. They're tired. They just had a huge. A huge segment where the Rock comes out, stone cold Steve Austin comes out, and they're just. They're just exhausted. And now you have to come out and. And you're in a match that's a cold match that no one like, it's literally like you're in a feud with a guy that literally just happened today. And it's like, we're just gonna have this match. We have to get the crowd up. And Adam, so how do you get that crowd up and out? You have to hear him. You have to listen to them. Okay, when I first walk out into the arena, I'm listening, I'm hearing a crowd. Where are they at? Should they be higher? Should they be lower? Do I need them? Where do I need them to be? So then when I get in the ring, I start listening and just hearing who they're. Who they're cheering for, what they're doing. And then, yeah, it's. It's literally like listening and being like, okay, what did this. Does this crowd need. Does they need to pick me up? Do they need to slow it down? It's all like, what's it.

[D]

What's it? What's, like, your Rolodex of, like, pick me ups? If you hear, like, a dead crowd or something.

[A]

I hear a dead crowd. Sometimes. It's like an easy one is just a baby face hits the ring, and you just blow up. Blow them up and just start beating. Beating the holy hell out of them. And it's like, oh, whoa. And you just. You do big stuff. Like, you. You know, you throw them on a table. Boom. You throw them into the barricade.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

Throw them into the. The stairs.

[B]

Boom.

[A]

Oh, my God. Oh, oh, oh. What is going on? And it's like, oh, what this guy is beating. This guy's up. I want this guy. And then they'll start cheering. They'll be like, come on. Come on, man. You got this.

[D]

Yeah. You know, and then if the crowd's high, is it, like. Is, like more of an, oh, I'm riding the way.

[A]

I'm riding the way.

[B]

Make them want a little bit more.

[A]

Say if the crowd is, like, really into the good guy and I'm the bad guy, and they're. They're. I'm at. I think they're at the top. I think they're at the top. I'm gonna shut that baby face down, because I'm gonna get them down. And then I'm gonna build them back up and build them back up and make them want to see a baby face, as we call comeback. I want. They want to see, like, if I'm. If they're at their highest, they're like, he does a. A flip to the outside. Boom. Nails me. The crowd is going, oh, my God. Like, this is awesome. This throws me back in. I cut him off. I beat him up. And now maybe I. I just start taunting the crowd. Yeah, that's your hero. That's who you like. That's who you like. And now you'll start hearing the crowd. Yeah, that is who I like. Leave him alone, man. Leave him alone. And then they'll start doing a slow chant, and it's like, okay, they're starting to come now. I got to give them a little more because the crowd is like, get.

[B]

If.

[A]

If you. If the crowd starts cheering for the guy, you Got to give him something, something. Gotta give him something. So it's like, yeah, you have them block my punch. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh.

[A]

Shut him down again. Until they're ready for the. The big triumphant comeback of a good guy baby face. So that's kind of like, God damn.

[B]

It is a science out here.

[A]

I'm not allowed to talk about this because it's like, we have a show on Netflix called Unreal, where we just unleashed everything and we were like, hey, we have writers that. That help us write everything. Like, and I love the show on Netflix, the Unreal, because it really shows people exactly what we do. People are just like, oh, this is easy. I could do that or do that. And then you get them in. Yeah, yeah. Or choreographer or whatever, but. And then it's like, you get them in the ring and they're like, whoa, this is a lot different than I thought it was going to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, we're always talking in there. We're always trying to figure things out. It's, you know, it's. It's high. I love it because it's. It's an art form that is unlike anything else. And I always thought that WWE has prepared me for everything in entertainment. Right. Like, you need me to host a show, I can do it. Why? Because I've been literally in a live crowd. One take. You don't get any other takes. We're just live. We don't have. We don't have teleprompters. We don't have guys holding a sign to give us our. We have our whole promo and everything in our minds, in our heads. And by the way, sometimes it changes. Sometimes you go out into an audience and they're just not feeling that promo, and you need to figure out how to wake them up.

[D]

Right. You know, like, things aren't going according to plan, whether or not it's like.

[A]

And basically, sometimes the bad guy can turn good guy.

[B]

Guy.

[A]

You might be in Bizarro World, where you go to, like, Europe. And, I mean, in Europe, I'm usually the bad guy. I walk out and they're cheering me, and they're singing my song, and I'm like, well, this is interesting. Now, we could either I can make them hate me, or we could go with this. And usually it's like, I look at the guy across from me and I'm like, does this guy. Is this guy? Can he get it right?

[D]

Are you guys.

[B]

Yeah. What's the chemistry between the two of you?

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And so then you look at each other and you're like, all right, let's do it. And you can, you could feel the energy and you can feel it, like. And it's fun. That. That's what makes it fun. It's like, it's improv.

[B]

When you. When you walk into a ring and you think they're going to hate you, but they end up loving you and you look at the guy, does that change the outcome of what's going to happen for you guys?

[A]

We always want to make sure that our stories are. Are told right. We have a. We have a set plan because we have ples, you know, where we are leading to a certain type of match. But there have been times where things have changed. You never know what's going to happen with a live audience in a live show. Things change like that, you know, I mean, there were. There were times where I was going to be a WWE Champion, and then I was told, like, hour before, yep, it's not going to happen.

[B]

No. Yeah.

[D]

And why is that?

[B]

Certain things give us some inside ball on that.

[A]

Certain things happen. Right? So I remember there was like, I think CM Punk left the show and he took the title with him. So they made up, I guess, a paper champion, I guess, or whatever. Like, they, they brought a championship and said, hey, if he's leaving the show, he's gone. He put the, the title in a refrigerator. Like, that was the big meme. So they're gonna have a tournament. And I think I went up against Rey Mysterio and I was gonna beat Rey Mysterio, then I was gonna beat John Cena, and I was gonna be a champion. And then they switched it because usually we like baby face versus heel, right? Bad guy versus good guy. But then in this certain instance back, especially back then, it would been Baby Face versus Babyface Ray versus Cena. And they were like, ah, you need a bad guy versus a good guy. So I was the bad guy. But then it was like, well, it's two huge, monumental baby faces that are Rey Mysterio and John Cena. Let them go at it. And I think Rey ended up winning that title. Title. But yeah, there was a moment there where I was going to be. I would have been a double champion there.

[B]

So if you go, it's an hour before the show starts. You're. It's. It's obviously very exciting, whether it's written or not, that you're going to be the face of what this franchise. And then somebody has to walk into him, a suit walks into a room and says, Actually, we've changed the script. This is what's now happening. How are you handling that internally?

[A]

If someone told me you're the guy and then they told me you're not the guy.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I'm more of a person that I was like, all right, I'll make them believe I the guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You give me. I'm the type of person that if you give me 10 seconds on a television show, I am going to make sure that you remember those 10 seconds. No matter what is. Is. Is dealt to me, I will make sure it's remembered. You can give me any type of line, and I will make sure and. Or I'll do my best to do it. Sometimes I fail, sometimes I succeed.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, so it's, it's kind of like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Do you see a lot of examples of guys who don't handle the, the, the politics of it when something like that happens? They don't handle it well.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it happens. I mean, they're usually whenever. I mean, it happens all the time where you believe your story should go a certain way. It's in your head. It's that. But the, the, the big, you know, the execs are looking at it and going, that's not what we want. That's not where we're going with this. Like, I'm always pitching ideas, always. Even right now I'm in year 20 and I'm always pitching ideas, always trying to elevate myself and elevate the company as a whole. And sometimes I'm in their. Their stories and sometimes I'm not. And it's my job to make sure that they never forget me. Never forget that, hey, who I am and where I am and what I'm going to do for this company.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

That stuff's crazy. I was like the, the Vince McMahon one on Netflix where you see the kind of unfoldings of like, Hulk Hogan and then you see the, the Bret Hart stuff go down. It's just like, man, it is. It's a different world on the inside of the wwe.

[B]

I wish I. So we talk about this all the time in the show. Like, Will grew up watching WWE a lot, and it's like, I think a massive piece that I missed in my childhood because I didn't. I never get to like, invest in. I hear Will get on with guys like George Kittle and they start just like, broing out over it. I'm over here sitting in the, on the sidelines in the dark room being like, I wish I knew what they were.

[D]

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[B]

Getting to this game, what is that process like for you? You like the going through the range, live events?

[A]

You guys even know this? The Real World?

[B]

It's in my notes.

[A]

It's in your notes. But do you know the Real World? Like, did you grow up watching it at all?

[D]

Real World Road Rules. I would watch, I would watch those. I knew of Real World, but it wasn't like glued to it. Like a lot of you got the niche audience that like loves all the reality TV stuff.

[A]

So back in the day in like I would say the late 90s, early 2000s, Real World was the show. MTV was the network, believe it or not. Yeah, it was the network and it was trl. It was Real World. It was Road Rules. It was the challenge. It was where every teen and, you know, 20 something wanted to be. It's where it's what you, you watched. And I got the opportunity. I remember I was in college, I was at Miami of Ohio at a Theta Chi fraternity, my fraternity. And I was watching the show and they said, do you want to try out for the Real World? It was like Real World New Orleans season nine. And I said, hell yeah, I want to try out for that show. So I tried out and I went through a bunch of auditions. I'm talking, I had a 50 page application asking everything, anything about my life. Back then we didn't have cell phones. So they would call you and you'd put on a speakerphone and you'd have a camera with a VHS like tape in it and you'd press record and you talk to that camera while they're asking you questions and you'd send that VHS tape back to them and then they would watch it. Yeah, that, that's. That like, that was how. Yeah, that's how we did it, you know, so. So then I went through, I would say, like, five interviews and got on to their casting special, which was the first time ever they brought Real World and road rules. 28 people, only 13 were gonna make it. Seven on Real World, six on Road Rules. You didn't know which one you're going to be on, if you made it at all. So by the end of the three days, I made it onto the show and I did the Real World, created a character called the Miz, WWE Superstar, because I thought I was. At least I didn't had any plans of being a wrestler at all. I didn't think I could. I was 6 foot nothing, 200 nothing pounds. Like, I wasn't like this tremendous athlete. I could play, but I wasn't like this above and beyond. There's just no way, like. Like I couldn't be the Hulk Hogan or the Ultimate Warrior, the Rock, stone cold Steve Austin, that, that just. There's no way. Right? So I just created a character, thought it would be funny. And once I created the character, it kind of took off and I was like, man, when I remember leaving the. The show, like when it was done, it was like six months of filming, got paid, really. Nothing Would have done it for free anyway, just because of the experience. Went back home to Cleveland. And I remember staring at myself in the mirror and going, what am I going to do for the rest of my life? Like, am I going to go back to Miami, Ohio, and have business classes that I can't stand, that I'm basically getting Ds and failing out? Or am I going to pursue something that I truly am passionate about? Because where I'm from and I don't know, maybe Midwest, like, where I'm from, it's like you go to high school, after high school, you go to college, after college, you go back to where you're from and you get a job, and that's what you get a family, and that should do for the rest of your life. And that is your life that's set out for you.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And so that was my trajectory. But going on the Real World made me realize maybe I don't have to do that. Maybe I could do something different. Maybe I can do what I want to do.

[D]

Yeah. Maybe I don't have to be a PE coach.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So I said, you know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna find a wrestling school, and I'm gonna go and train to be a professional wrestler. And everyone laughed at me. My dad was like, you are not doing that. You're going to college. You're going back to college. You're staying in Cleveland. And I'm like, no, I'm gonna move. So I got on a challenge right after the Real World. Once I got on the challenge, I won that challenge and made $50,000. I used that $50,000 to move to Los Angeles. Got a wrestling school that I paid $5,000, I believe, for. I went into improv classes at Groundlings and Improv Olympics. I got an acting coach. And so I was trying to find all the tools that would get me to where I wanted to be with wwe, Right. And also I tried to find a nutritionist. I was going to Gold's Gym, Venice, because I thought that's what the big boys play, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's how I. You know, So I didn't get big. I mean, I got fat because I was just trying to eat as much as possible to get. Because I was £200, I needed to be. I thought, like, you had to be 260th pure solid muscle.

[B]

Right.

[A]

How do you get. Like, back then, you didn't have all this information about. You got to get your macros in and you got to. We didn't have macros back then. You know, you just ate, like, burritos or whatever just to get into Jim's Venice Beach.

[B]

You also have a syringe in your hand. You're like, hey, we're going to figure out.

[A]

That's one thing I never got into, though. So I was just like. I just. These guys must be. I thought it was like. And this is dummy me, right. I thought they were just eating more, you know, peanut butter sandwich.

[B]

And I also have, like 280 of. Just pure muscle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Gotta be the protein. That's all. That's all it is. Yeah.

[A]

It's gotta be.

[B]

So, okay, so you go. You move there.

[D]

He was on with Theo.

[A]

Yeah. You know, what was, you know, like.

[D]

He really doesn't talk about.

[A]

He doesn't, does he?

[D]

He doesn't talk about.

[A]

Really Interesting.

[B]

So Theo's trajectory of life is incredible. Incredible to see.

[A]

I remember his first stand up, really? So his. I remember when we were on a bus and we were on Battle of Sex. Battle the Sexes, Part two, I think, or Battle Seasons part two, something like that. It was one of those ones where we were in New Mexico and we were going to a club and we had this bus and we had a microphone and people were doing karaoke. And I remember Theo telling us, like, that year, he's like, yeah, I'm starting up comedy. And we were all like, comedy. Like stand up comedy. Good for you. That's great. And we were like, do your stand up. Do your stand up. Come on, Theo. And no one thought he would actually get up and do it, but he got up, got on the microphone in our bus as we're going to a club and did his stand up. And I remember it like it was one of those ones. Would you. You guys might not remember this. Do you remember the collect calls.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Commercials.

[A]

Yeah. And he would talk about how dirty the collect calls were. It's like, dial down the center.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he would do all these, like, things that were like, about the collect calls and the commercials that were going in. And I can't remember all the things, but it was a dirty joke on the collect calls. And everyone was a. Everyone was dying laughing because he wasn't like the Theo you see. I mean, there were.

[B]

There were.

[A]

There were hints of it. Right. But the Theo you see now is just like his mind is just.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whoa. It's out there. And the way he's supposed to breed. Exactly. But you didn't see that. That you. You knew it was funny, but it developed.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And he trained himself into that. You know what I mean? I mean, I feel like comedy, football, any type of thing that you want to be successful at, you have to train your brain into it and you just don't grow up. I mean, you can be funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Stand up's a whole different art.

[B]

It's a whole different ball game. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And he's. He's done amazing with it. And I can't tell you a better person to do it, because Theo, not only was he hilarious, but he was one of the first people I met because he was. Remember the. The show I said where it was a casting special? He was the host of it.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

So he was one of the first people I got to talk to about it and gave me amazing advice about what I should do. He's like, just be yourself. If you start playing up a character, they'll be able to see through it because they're filming you 24 7. So a lot. That's a lot. A lot of reason why people on Real World don't like what they see on the edited version. They're like, oh, they edited me wrong. It's like, nah, you played a character. You didn't play you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you don't play you, it's like your barstool stuff. Like when you guys were doing that stuff. If you guys are just yourselves, you're not going to get screwed over because it's hard to edit something that you are.

[B]

Yeah, right, right. Yeah. If you sit in the lane of.

[D]

Who you are time.

[A]

But you bring the bar still stuff. I don't know.

[B]

No, no bars. Absolutely.

[A]

It was just watching the thing with you guys on it, I thought you guys were gonna win.

[D]

By the way, surviving.

[A]

It seemed like they were really going against you.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I've never. Obviously I made a joke about the hosting a reality show, but I've never done reality tv. Will did it the year before and won. And going into it, I was so naive to all the other games being played and I thought, oh, but didn't he educate you? You? He did. But I guess like I just didn't take it upon myself to noodle, like get into other people's business. I was like, oh my. My squad seems really tight.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I watch him back in my skis.

[D]

Yeah. Too many moves too early and it's like, hey, we got. We can't be.

[B]

See, to me, I was like, let me make this impact quick because I know Jersey Jerry, who's. He was my first kill of the, of the show. And I was like, I need to get this cat out because it's like I never expected to win.

[A]

You can't. You gotta make a name.

[D]

Bring his name up.

[B]

Up. Yeah. Right.

[A]

And then the bandwagon will happen.

[B]

Knowing what I know now happen. Knowing what I know now. There were multiple people that were like Taylor and I was able to without knowing, like get Jerry and get people on Jerry. And I might have been out even sooner than that. If that, if, if I didn't like speak up a little bit, inevitably it end. My demise was always forecasted. It was always going to happen.

[A]

So I played these games and I've got to host these games. And I remember we did a, we did a show where. On MTV that was a challenge based show where you would take on the challenge. The people that actually do the challenge. The All Stars versus Celebrities. Celebrities didn't have a chance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they don't understand the intrigues like the, the ins and outs of the game.

[D]

Right.

[A]

If you don't understand the. It's a game, you have to play it. And if you're not playing it and you're not involved you're not gonna win. Like, I watch all these, like, these reality shows, like Traders. Like, I'm like, I can't win that. No doubt in my mind. Like, all of them.

[D]

Do you watch them, bro? I haven't seen Traders, though. Most recent one I watched was Million Dollar. It just came out on Netflix. It came out a little bit after Battle Camp.

[B]

I think I know you're talking about, like, someone's. Like someone has.

[D]

Yeah, Million Dollar Club. You know, the.

[B]

The.

[D]

The guy. God, I hate that. I'm blanking on this. Can you look it up, Sherm? Million Dollar Secret. Did you see that one?

[A]

I did not, bro.

[D]

You would like that one. That's another, like, game within the game. I love that. Like Werewolf, the card game, or Mafia. Some people play that game. Like, all those little. I don't know, those strategy games are a lot of fun. Risk. We love risk.

[B]

That's. Yeah. 2020, when the. The whole Covid thing was going on. I was in California training. We would just get high and stay up to like two in the morning playing Risk with whether you were training.

[A]

And we were just getting like, you're training and you're just getting.

[B]

Yeah, we would train. I put my kid to sleep. I had to get a little cooked up. And then we play like three games of Risk. Yeah. And we played it on Xbox. Xbox Live Life. And so we'd all be on our controllers just talking trash, having a good time. It was so much fun. That's us. That was us earlier this year. Comrade Willie over there.

[D]

Dude, would you. Would you play Surviving Barstool?

[A]

Would I play it?

[D]

I think they're.

[A]

I don't know what I've heard.

[D]

They're going to do a celebrity one.

[A]

So the problem. The problem with those. Those games are they don't allow phones. They don't allow, like, it's a. It's a big, like, it's. It takes a long time to film a show, you know.

[D]

Now it's Surviving Bars. It's all done a week, bro.

[B]

It's done in a week. And it comes out two months later.

[D]

They do an amazing production guy.

[B]

Rob.

[D]

Yeah, Rob.

[B]

He does an amazing job. Yeah. Of like handling everything. And yeah. After the challenges we had have our phones.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But you're right. With how busy you are.

[A]

Family man hearing like the. The things about Traders, they were like, yeah, you're out there for 15 days. You know, you get to talk to your kids. And if you do talk to your kids, like, it's. It's a person has to watch you do it on like, that's not happening. Not a chance in hell. I need to talk to my daughters every single day. Like, I, I'm, I know you guys are girl dads, but like what is that? What has that been like, you know, raising girls, dude.

[D]

Incredible. Incredible man. Like, like Rue, she's very. Right now she's three. She's very intense with her emotions. It's been great for myself. Just, I grew up, it was me and two other brothers. My mom, she, you know, a lot of like boy energy handling on a us and everything else.

[A]

But being like with her emotions. Is that the PC version of whining all the time she get?

[D]

She's a whiner, but she's very much, she feels all of her emotions in like a big way. So like having to communicate with a three year old like in the trenches has been very much a learning experience for myself. And then Scotty Joe, she's 10 months old. She's just a little, she's like Micah Parsons on third down. She's scrambling everywhere. All over the floor right now. But it is, it is, it's the best feeling in the world being a girl dad that.

[A]

Did you educate him at all? About a three year old?

[B]

Yeah, no, we, I think kind of, we've kind of played the games of like, okay, she's three. This like. I remember when Rue was born because I had my oldest. I might have not. Yeah, I already had Willow as well. So I had both my kids. I was almost like the first six months are kind of a grind, grind because you don't really understand. Yeah.

[A]

Six months to a year and a half. You're in a, you're in a good spot.

[B]

You're in a good spot. But it's like around that six month mark is when you see the smile and they recognize you when you come into a room and that's when you're like, like you're obviously in as a father, but that's when you're like, I get, I, I 100% understand what the feeling everyone's talking about is. So if you don't feel it right away, that's perfectly fine. For my kids. Like my oldest daughter is. She's eight years old and she just recently got a book. She was at this like fair and just at a park a week ago and there was a girl who was nine years old that was selling a book that she wrote herself and my. Yeah, how cool is that? So my daughter buys the book.

[A]

Where, where do you live? Your daughter's learning Mandarin. This nine year old's writing books.

[B]

Yeah, my kids.

[A]

Who do you hang out with?

[B]

Kids are the best. My kids are the best. But like, when my oldest, she gets this book and she's like, you can tell, like, truly inspired. So now my Wynynn has written four chapters of her own book in the last week and a half of these three kids. She's like, it's a rated R story, Daddy. I'm like, oh, what's rated army? She's like, there's guns. I'm like, okay. And the story starts with these three girls. They're in this car. The mom leaves at the gas station, Some of the starts shooting up the car. So the nine year old gets in the car, drives off. They end up in this boat in the island. They meet with these other kids, they find their dad. Like, she's telling me the story and I'm reading the words and like some of them are misspelled. But like, when she reads it, it's like, it's fluid because it's like how her brain is seeing the words and it's awesome. And she's taking piano lessons now where she wrote a theme song for the book. Like, she's big into Harry Potter, so she hears the Harry Potter theme song. She's like written notes and plays the theme song. It's incredible.

[A]

On piano.

[B]

On piano. And this is like, you're ap.

[A]

Yeah, she plays like piano.

[B]

She's not like, you know, it ain't Mozart, but she's out there, she working like, she, she understands the keys.

[A]

Do you play?

[B]

No, dude, I'm a front man. I, I can.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You know, I can give you a little something. I'm a front man. But. And then my, my, my youngest daughter, like, I think the second is really unique because they watch the oldest and they want to like, they kind of fall in line with the oldest and follow whatever they do. It's really cool to see my youngest daughter find her voice and started to find like her own interest, what she likes to do, where she likes to be dependent, where she likes to be independent. And it's like I, I was literally having breakfast with my oldest daughter this morning and I was like, I think I'm in like peak dad mode right now. And I've said this a bunch of times in the pod. She's like, what does that mean? I was like, we're already decorating for Spooktober. We're already getting ready for like, October 1st is the kickoff to the holiday season. So we got a Whole bunch of stuff going around the house. I'm like. I was like, dude, in, like, three years, you're not going to care about this. Like, you're. You might be like me that, like, doesn't care, then comes back to it. But, like, you're fully invested. She doesn't know about Santa just yet, but, like, she's all about Santa still. So it's like the position I'm in as a father, it's like knowing that you're in the good old days while you're in them, because right now, it's like, it's the best, dude. It is. It is all time. Yeah, that's. That's a win right there. My wife. And then I'm holding my youngest daughter right there.

[A]

But, yeah, man, I got five and seven, and I. It's. It's a lot. Like, I want to be there as much as possible with. With wwe. I travel a lot, so I wonder what the grind was for you guys in football. I mean, you get to go home, though, every day, right?

[B]

You go home every day. Like, he. He had his kids after. After football. For me, it was. Yeah, like, you just know those six months are a blur, and you try to be as good with your time as possible about, like, being present when you can be. But, like, when I. When I was playing, it was like, I'm always thinking about the rusher I'm going at, so the defense I'm going against and how I played last week. How can I play better this week? So it's very difficult to be present all the time because, you know, you say you've been doing WWE for 20 years. It's like, there's, like, three guys that's ever played 20 years in the NFL, and, like, you know, like, it's such a finite amount of time. So my wife did a. Was. Did an amazing job of, like, getting times, like, hey, we're gonna be together at this time. She knew the schedule inside and out, but it was. Yeah, it's tough, man. Especially when you're in. And one thing that I think a lot of people don't talk about is after the season, when the season ends, and you're so used to kind of everyone catering to you, and you're now in an off season where. No, I'm integrating back into our family's lives. But they have the routine. They have the things they do.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I'm.

[A]

No one ever talks about the routine.

[B]

And it's like, I. There would always be, like, friction between me and my wife. Like, between week one and week three of, like, the off season because, like, I'm trying to find my way back in. They're very comfortable about, like, seeing me rarely, but, like. And so, like, I kind of bulldoze my way into it. And so that. That's a very difficult time to, like, get into it. Once you get into February, March, April, it's like, okay, everything's smooth sailing. But it's a. It's a grind. I mean, you understand?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I. I know exactly what you're talking about. Like, I. Every week, it's that, though, like, it's like, I leave for a day or two, and then I come back, and then I'm like, let's go, let's go, let's go. And it's like, we have a routine here. Here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, this is our routine. This is what we do. And I come in and I just ruin that routine. And kids need routines. They need their. Their. So you don't want to ruin that, but also you want to make sure that, like, I try to create moments, like, capture moments. Like yesterday we went to, like, a water park, and we were there for six hours, and I thought this. This was really cool. I got home and I wanted to watch football, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sat down. I was like, ah. My dad. My kid comes up and he's, you want to play? And one of my rules is if my. My kid asked me if. If I. I want to play. Yes is always the answer. Yes, I want to play. Because they're not going to ask that when they're 12 or 13. They're going to be like, I don't want to. I don't want to hang out. Maybe they'll have conversations.

[B]

You're going to ask to play.

[A]

Exactly. So I'm like, how many more of those do you want to play? Do you want. They always want to wrestle me because I like. They, like, believe it or not. Shocking, right? It's okay. So it's not just that I'm a wrestler.

[B]

I come home, my youngest daughter goes, daddy, we want to catch these hands. I'm like, all right, get in the bedroom. And I take them, and I just throw them all over our master bedroom. And I'm like, I'm throwing them in the air.

[A]

Now, does your wife go, stop playing so rough with them.

[B]

There's. There's been. We've probably wrestled, let's just say, a hundred times in their lives. There's been 35 times. Tears happen, but they got to find.

[A]

Out who they are every time. But they, but they love. I remember I used to play with my Uncle Nick, and my uncle Nick was like, professional boxer, like, really rough. And I remember my mom always going, nick, you're playing too rough with him.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I would cry, cry. But I remember those times. And I remember, even though I was crying then, like, I, I remember them fondly. And like, like, I remember smiling and happy and. And every time I'd see my Uncle Nick, I'd try to, like, wrestle him and like, get it. So I remember those times, even though I. I was crying every time I wrestled them. It didn't matter. So, like, when I'm with my daughters, I don't make them cry, obviously, right? But, like, tears do happen sometimes because we play rough. They like, they want to play rough. They don't. Like, they're like, dad, you're playing. You're playing too light. Throw me. And it's like, all right, there you go. There's your throw. There's your throw. Dude, me by my legs. My wife's like, you're gonna pull her legs off. They're good. They're kids.

[B]

I talk about the ultimate gaslight on my oldest. We were in Canada, and like, I was tossing her in like two or three tosses. She got hurt, and it was like a lot of tears. And I'm like, honey, like, this is. You want to play like this? I'm placed. She's like, you're going too hard. You're going too hard. So. So I would take my 5 year old and I would just throw her to the headboard like a bunch of pillows, you know, get into it. She'd love it. And then my oldest, I pick her up at high in the air and I start to throw her down and I catch her and gently put her on the bed. She's like, no, that's. That's not rough enough. But I did that for like two, three different wrestling sessions to the point where she's like screaming at me. She's like, that's enough. Like, you need to be rougher. And I'm like, all right, let's find out who we are then. You want it?

[A]

Then let's do it.

[B]

Do this.

[D]

Oh, you're crying. This is what you wanted.

[B]

Yeah, but it is like, I, I'm, I'm. I'm. I have no idea what it's like to have a nine year old, but I'm figuring out what it's like to have an 8 year old. And I've had a 5 year old and like, it's the best.

[A]

Yeah, it is the best. It truly is. And like, I always teach them the first thing that if they say, we win wrestle. I was like, lock up. Yeah, it's like. And I taught them how to lock up. But then I also go, all right, now choke me. Like, you have to choke me out. Like, and it's not like. But it's like I want them to learn if someone's picking on them and someone's. That I want them to be able to choke a person out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's not. You're not punching, you're not hurting yourself. You literally the per. You duck under and you, boom, put it on.

[B]

Are they doing any martial arts or anything like that?

[A]

Yeah. So I was watching like a podcast and I heard Dana White say something about Jiu Jitsu.

[B]

I know exactly the one you're talking about.

[A]

And so he was like, he was like, like, a little girl can take down a 300 pound man. And I'm like, come on. It's like if they had the right technique make and they know how to do it, like, they can do it. So I got my daughters into. Into Jiu Jitsu because I was like, I want my daughters to be able to take care of themselves. And I also think confidence level of knowing that you have the confidence to take care of yourself.

[B]

The ability when you need yourself.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, we started doing the same thing. Like, I saw that podcast as well. And I was trying to like really press organized sports. And I was talking to my oldest and I'm like, hey, listen, your dad, he did it.

[A]

It.

[B]

He's kind of, you know, you got the genes. Basically. I was giving her the talk, like, if you want to play sports, you can do it, you can get a scholarship, blah, blah, trying to explain Title 9 dirt, the whole thing. And she kind of sits back, we're watching playoff hockey, she sits back, she's like, you know what, dad? I think I'm just going to be me. And I was like, all right. Right then and there, like, competitive, like team sports kind of died. That's okay. But they have to do something. So I got him into, into Jiu Jitsu. And it took a little bit of time for them to really get into it it. But once they got that first stripe on their belt, they're locked in. They are all about it. I did the bribe. Hey, every time you win, I get you a dollar. But they're like, they're about it now.

[A]

So was it crying before going like, I don't want to go. I Don't want to go because that's too busy. Struggle with, like, playing with stuff. And it's like. And you are like, okay, you know what? They don't want to do it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But then it's also like, do. Do.

[B]

They are.

[A]

Because when they're there, they love it. They're having so much fun. But getting them to the place is so difficult. And it's like, I'm. I'm, like, more strict on that, like, where it's like, no, if we're doing this, I got to give them, like, do you want to do Jiu Jitsu? Yes. Okay. If we do this, you have to do it right. You can't just quit. You have to do it for one year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'll tell you what. If after the class, you don't want to do it anymore. You don't have to do it anymore. And usually after the class, I was like, do you guys want to do it? And they're smiling, they're happy. They just took a boy down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. They're like. They're like. Like, do you want to do it tomorrow? Yes.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yes. And then the same thing happens. I don't want to go. I don't want to go. We're going. And if. I'll tell you what, if afterwards, you don't want to do it, we don't have to do it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's always the same.

[B]

It's always. It's always. Yes. After. I always struggle with that. And I remember being a freshman in high school, I got, like, a lot of trouble in middle school, and I was a freshman in high school. It was summer workouts, a group in Arizona. And so it's like, you know, 100 and whatever degrees, and they have, like, the freshman, the jv, and the varsity. They're all. We're all, like, kind of doing camp drills, and I'm like this, like. I'm not, like, fat, but I'm like, shapely. I'm a shapely individual, like Mike from Monsters, Inc. And I'm. I'm dying. I've never had this difficult conditioning in my life. So I go up to my dad, who's in the stands, and I go, I'm done. I don't want to play football. I want to quit. And my dad gets up, and he's like, all right, you want to quit? Go talk to the guy in the visor. And the advisor was a guy named Chad Degrenia, who was the head coach of the varsity team. And my dad says he goes, sits in the car, and he's just waits for two more hours. I come back in and he just sits there. He goes, buddy, I just want you to know what it's like on the other side. Like, you. If you're gonna do something, you have to do it. And I mean, without that conversation, if he walked up and quits, like, we're not all sitting here. And it's like one of those things, you look at your kids and, like, when they're crying and they're having a meltdown, and my wife's like, do they really have to go? It's like, no, they don't have to go, but they should go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because they committed to doing something. And it's like, you just want them to get to the other side. And once they got that stripe, that's like, oh, I've had a little bit of success here. Now it's like, when's jiu jitsu next? And that's when it's. It's like getting fun with in that regard, too.

[A]

Yeah, it's like gymnastics now, too. Like, gymnastics and jiu jitsu is what they've been into. I got them into Sock. I try to get them into every sport just to see what. What connects.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And so far, though, the gymnastics and jiu jitsu has been the. The two that they have taken to.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, I'm with you guys. It's like if you're. If you're gonna commit to something, and then if they're having, like, if ruse having a breakdown about something, it's more of just like, hey, this is what we do. You said you wanted to do this. You know, give her the whole Compton speech. Like, you're a Compton. Like, this is how we show up. This is how we're going to do things. If at the end of it, you don't want to do it or you want to quit after Said, like, she's not old enough to be in seasons. But if, at the end of the day you don't want to do it, we don't have to do it anymore. But if you said you're going to do this, like, this is how we show up. This is what we do. Because I agree. I feel like a lot of the times it's. They just might be doing something in the moment, and it's like, well, they don't know what it looks like unless you teach them. And, like, the world's going to be hard. That's just how. However it is, it's like you can micromanage your Kids as much as you want, but at some point, they're going to have principles. Your foundational thinking. Like, once they step out into the world and you. You want them to know, like, hey, you might not want to do this today, but if you're somebody who, you know, keeps your word, you keep your commitment, like, you'll think the right way. Like, once you get to that age, and it's like, hey, this is how we're going to do it. If you say yes, like, you keep your word, we're going to show up. So it's. Those are like the foundational things. Because it's hard when they're crying. It's like, I mean, they are just 3, 4, 5. Like, they don't have to, but it's like, oh, is it because I kind of don't want to go either? Or then you start to have that self talk with yourself. It's like, no, they need to know.

[A]

I have self talk every day. Like, literally. There has never been something so confusing in my life than parenting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just every time I'm out there, I'm like, am I doing the wrong thing? Like, it is the reason she's crying is because she really doesn't like it, or is she just having a meltdown? And sometimes that happens, right? You know, maybe she really does. But then she's smiling now, so it's like, wait. And I'm like going in my head, I'm to going, going, how can I do this? Okay. How can I develop her confidence? Because I want her to be a confident, you know, strong individual, you know, and smart and fun and. And. And everything that you want, like your daughters to be, you want them to be. And how do you guide them? You can't give them everything, right? If you just say yes to everything, then you're like, oh, man, I'm just giving him everything. And they don't learn.

[D]

They, like false confidence. Where you just lay it up for him is like, oh, that was awesome. Then you keep. And then you're kind of just hoping that it works out again the next time.

[B]

Are you familiar with the monor teaching?

[A]

Yes and no. Like, we looked into it.

[B]

Right. Well, so is that where you. We were actually homeschooling for the first time this year.

[A]

How is that going, buddy?

[B]

Rave reviews at this point, like I told you about.

[A]

Do you do the teaching or does.

[B]

God. No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

No. Who does?

[A]

The teacher.

[D]

We have a teacher.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. If. If I'm doing the teaching, call cps. Like, my kids are not going to be equipped. But we have a teacher that was actually at the Montessori school, and, and she wanted to do, like, a homeschooling. That's what she did in the past. And she was like, up in Minnesota, came down, and it has been awesome. And for me, it was always like, it's the social, it's the extracurriculars. Like, you have to have enough of those. So, like, you know, I think we all grew up with. You see a couple homeschool kids and you're kind of like, yeah, I don't understand the social cube portion, but so far, I, I, I, I rave reviews about it.

[A]

What made you change?

[B]

It was always a conversation that took place when my oldest was born, and I think I was more resistant to it because I came from the public school system. I think social, like, social interactions and understanding social cues are way more important than, like, your traditional, like, how much do you know about the revolutionary war? Unless that's what you want to go into. And then as we got farther and farther in it, it's like, you just want to make the right decision. And then it's like, okay, well, am I making the right decision for my kid or for my son? Because I'm worried about what my kid might be if they do this. But, like, the other day, like, we spend more time with our kids. They're like, last year my kid wasn't writing a story and, like, writing her own theme song to the story, which is something that's extremely new, but, like, it's an opening space for them to be more creative in a world where the night and, like, the 9 to 5 is what we all grew up. It's like, you know, you go to high school, you have college, then you get a job, and then you die. You married and die. It's like, now there's so many different things you can do in this world. There's so much access to learn those things. It's like, like, okay, what are you most passionate in? That's a nurture that while checking the boxes, we have to check from an educational standpoint and get you where you truly want to go in life and be the person that you actually want to be.

[A]

Does she get to go to see her friends? Like, does she have, like, where does she meet friends?

[B]

So there we do jiu jitsu. We do, there's art classes. We do the Mandarin thing, but that's, that's online. And then, then piano lessons are all in a group setting as well. But it's like, she's Got like five to six good friends that were constantly circulating play dates on making sure happen. There's a neighbor girl that is over every single day when school's up for her. So the social part, I think they're getting done, I. I think as we get older, we'll press it a little bit more. But, like, both my kids, like, when we go to a park, it's not the nervous shy. It's the, who are you? What's your name? My name's so and so. This is how old I am. They're very, like, forward and, like, willing to make a fool out of themselves. And I mean that in a positive way. But the Montessori thing I was talking about before was the whole good job thing. Like, one of the core values of Montessori is, like, self. Like, self reflection. So, like, when a kid finishes a drawing, instead of being like, oh, that's so great. Good for you. It's like, how do you feel about it? And then have them be like, I'm proud of this because of this. That gives them the self validation to be like, oh, what? My opinion matters more than what other people. People's opinions matter. And so I just think it's. It's a really cool kind of way of going about things.

[A]

And do you feel like they're keeping up with most kids, or do you feel like they're going down or up or maybe even higher?

[B]

So we started Montessori, what's it? September. Like, we started at the, like the middle of August. So to know all that, I. I mean, check in with me at the, you know, end of the year, and then I'll have a better idea. But what I've seen from my kids, they seem much more engaged, much more, like, excited to talk about what they learned at school than they were when I would pick them up from school.

[A]

School.

[B]

So I feel like it's trending in the right direction.

[A]

I have a hard time. Like, I'll be like, how. Like, I try to not do the how was your day? It's like, what was your favorite part of the day?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Until they don't know. Yeah. Like, I'm trying to do all the right, like, lingos, you know, I know.

[D]

Doom scrolling on Instagram because there's so much good parenting stuff on Instagram.

[B]

Right.

[D]

Like, as I'm sitting there watching it.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Also, I like this for the dads.

[B]

It's a great show. You can go to check out.

[D]

This is basically for the Dads, hosted by the Miz. Right? Right.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

Six in the chat.

[B]

Chat.

[A]

There it is.

[B]

No doubt. But yeah, it's. I, I was nervous about the homeschooling thing. I love it right now and it could change at any point. But I think more time with your kids. Like why, why, why not?

[A]

Right.

[B]

They're at.

[D]

We started Rue in school this year. Like we've had several the days where she doesn't want to go to school, which I kind of enjoy because it's like you get to do all the same kind of conversations of like, you know, not talking in her going but essentially like talking or into going.

[B]

Right.

[D]

It's like oh, all your friends are waiting, this, that the other. But so she just started Montessori school this year.

[A]

What do you think?

[D]

I love it. I feel like they do, you know, with the Montessori stuff again. I was a public school kid. There wasn't really any Montessori around where I grew up in good old Bonter, Missouri. But it's like really like tribal to where they're setting their spot when they all eat, whether they do snack time or lunchtime. Like they're setting their table, they're cleaning up after themselves, they're learning. It's like working with it with the kids, like the manners and who's doing this, who's doing that. Like everybody's helping out and they gravitate more towards like the kids interest which I haven't got to go to like an observation class where they'll have the parents come in. You get to kind of watch them throughout the school day. I think we do that here in a couple weeks, which I'm excited about. But it seems to be going awesome, man. Like she seems to be making friends like they play outside a lot. It sits on like, like I don't know how many acres like in that 10 to 20 on acres to where they get a lot of outside time, they get their rest time. They're doing a lot of things. That's where it's like them self helping themselves and they get guided to what their interests are guided to. Hey, if you got to go to the bathroom, you're, you know, you're more well equipped to do it on your own not having to, hey, if you can wipe, you can wipe. I've seen to enjoy it. I, I think she's having a good time with it. And I also, it's like I enjoy when she's in all these other set like other settings to where somebody else can be their like authoritative figure to where she's more uncomfortable being away from, from Being away from myself, I know, like, even as a dad, I get really nervous every time I drop her off to do something, whether it's gymnastics, because now she'll. Now she does ballet to where it's more class, where the parents aren't in there. I myself find myself just being sad. On, like, man, what if she's scared? What if she doesn't fit in? She's shy at first. Where she. I hope she has a good time to where I also. It's like, my wife and I will have those conversations with ourselves. Like, hey, you know, even though this adult might have not have said a thing that we would want them to say, they're going to be around all these authoritative figures throughout their life. Like, it's good to get them, you know, adapted to those things. But we've seen, like, she comes home, she talks about school, she talks about her friends. She tells us about her day. They seem. She seems to be doing well there. So we've had a good experience so far, but we're only, like a month in.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

But we've enjoyed it. It's been. It's been fun. And I kind of want to.

[A]

That's the biggest thing, like, the proper school, which is the best school. I want number one. I want the best.

[D]

The best.

[A]

And it's like, all right, you're. You're already thinking like. Like, is she gonna go to college? Like, I don't know. I want her to. The opportunity to go to college in Montessori schools. Can they go to college? Is that, like, I'm learning that, too, bro. They go.

[D]

They go pretty deep in the grades. And it's like, I sit there again. All I've known is the public school system. And it's like, you know, I'll sit there and I'll be like, I turned out all right.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I came from Bontaire, Missouri. Like, I'm sure, you know, it doesn't necessarily matter. She's going to go to a school somewhere here in Nashville. But parents are pretty, like, like, dialed on. If I'm talking to a parent, like an adult, and they're like, oh, were you thinking about your kid going to school? And I'm like, dude, I have no clue. Like, do I? You might need a. You know, you got to get in early. You got to do this. I have no clue, bro.

[B]

I'm sure when you grew up, it was like, you go to school at 5. Like, that's kindergarten. And then if there's a daycare, something like that, you go to the daycare. But like, here in Nashville, it's like there are kids in school at 18 months. Years old.

[A]

What?

[B]

18? Yeah. Not years. 18 months. And you're just like. Like, what are we. What are we talking about here?

[D]

I feel like those might be more like the daycare or like, what is it called, Mon.

[B]

The Montessori school that my kids were at before they started at 18 months. And I was getting the same conversation that you were getting, where it's like, hey, where are they going to school? Well, she's two and a half now. You should probably get her in before. Otherwise they might. They might not have a lot of area or all these different things. It's like, bro, like, we can't just, like, put them in a. Like, hey, go to school now. 5. You know, it's kind of like a. It's a. It's a wild thought process. Process. So.

[D]

Because when you're a small town, it's like, you got the one school like that everybody goes to. Oh, they're on that side of the line. They got to go to Park Hills.

[B]

Can I ask you a question?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you win $50,000, you move to LA, you get an acting coach, improv coach. You're doing all the things, putting yourself in a position for the wwe. You're in Venice beach at the Gold Gym. What happened to get you in wwe?

[A]

So. Good question. So they had a show on mtv. We'll go. We'll go back to mtv.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So MTV had a show called Tough Enough, where you could win a WWE contract if you win the show. So I wanted to try out, but back then, you couldn't be on two shows. You couldn't be on Real World Road Rules Challenge and then be on Tough Enough. So they wouldn't let me do the show. But then cut to three years later, after training and learning the art of professional wrestling, trying to. At least I was trying to go to Japan because I've heard, like, that's where you can really, you know, learned a different style. Like, Japan has a different style than what WWE is. There's different styles everywhere. Like, lucha libre is Mexican. That. That's very. That's a whole different style as well. So there's different styles. So I was like, maybe if I learn, you know, the art of special wrestling here in California, then I'll go to Japan and they'll bring me over to Japan, and I would do, like, things called dark matches, where you go backstage and you kind of start meeting people backstage, and you might get a dark match. Which is the match before the show even airs so they can see you and test you out. I never got one of those because I just wasn't, like, they weren't looking for me. And then finally, three years later, after all that, I got asked to do Tough Enough, which was not going to be on MTV. It would be on the CW during SmackDown. And I was like, I. I was like, I've been trying to. To do this show, but they wouldn't let me. He's like, there's going to be 50 people. If you make the top eight, then you will be on the show. I go, I'm in. So I had to go to Venice Beach. They had this. They had a ring set up. They had an obstacle course. And I'll never forget Build the Mods. Like, oh, the Real World guy. And by the way, being on the Real World, you might be like, oh, that must be like a good thing, right? Like, you. You already have a notoriety. You have people watching you. Have you not in wwe, that was more like, no, you don't belong here. You shouldn't be here. We don't want you here. You're just. I mean, when you're on a reality show, you. Back then, you were in no talent hack. You weren't.

[B]

You weren't.

[A]

You were just on it. What, you can be filmed and you're good on television. People didn't realize, like, it does take an art. There's a special thing to being on a reality show. You have people that are wallpaper that literally you never, ever see. And you have people that are the star of the show, and you need those stars. And so people didn't realize that. I don't think back then maybe producers and that kind of stuff, but, like, not, you know, when I was trying out. So I try out. And I remember being going onto this obstacle course, and it almost felt like they were trying to get me out because it was like, what's your time gonna be? And I was like. And back. And I think it was like, under, like, two minutes was unheard of. Like, no one's even come close to being under two minutes. And I was like, oh, I'm just gonna do my best. What's your time gonna be? And I'm like, I know what they're doing right now. Like, they're gonna make me say under. If I say three minutes, you know, that's not fast enough. Two and a half. It's not fast enough. Oh, that's it. That's it. That's all you're Gonna say, I was just like, I'll go under two. And they're like, no one's been under two. There's no way you're gonna do that. Did the obstacle course, got under 2, 157. And they were just like, whoa. And then I got in the ring and I started cutting promos and they were like, oh, okay. And so I made it onto the show. Now, once I made it on the show, they were trying to almost make you quit. We would have to do 500 bumps, which is. Bumps is like standing in the middle of the ring and landing flat on your back. Just flat on your back, flat on your back. But like 500 of those. Then you'd have to do flip bumps where you do kind of a 180 and land on your back. And then so. So one guy ended up did. Did quit. And it just felt like the entire time they were just trying to. It was like, can you withstand what we're get putting you through? Because we're going to give you. I was on the million dollar. They're, you know, you're win a million dollars.

[B]

Yeah, sounds like a hell week. Like a Navy seals hell week 100.

[A]

But it was, it was, it was the hardest thing. And so I made it all the way through, got second place, didn't win. The fans voted and they voted Daniel Pewter the. The winner. But honestly, that was a blessing in disguise because during this time, I impressed the execs so much that they were like, we're going to give you a developmental contract. It wasn't a million dollar contract. And I had to take a pay cut from doing the reality shows. When I was winning, I was doing reality shows and I would win. And so when you win, I win a lot of money, right? So I took a pay cut to go into developmental, into Deep south wrestling in. In Atlanta, Georgia, which was McDonough, Georgia. So moved from Los Angeles to McDonough, Georgia. And every day I'd wake up and my body was just killing me. I'd be like, one more day you can do it. One more day you can do it. One more day you can do it. One more day you can do it. And you'd see people quitting. You would see people always faking that they were sick on this bleachers. I never wanted to be in a bleacher. Never wanted to be a sick guy in a bleacher. I was always the guy that was like, I'm just going to. To go through it and let. Let the torment happen. And so went through it. Finally got up into the smackdown. And when I remember sitting down with Vince and Vince, they were like, vince wants to see you. And I'm like, oh, man, Holy cow, this is it. I get in there and he's like, we want you to be the Ryan Seacrest of the wwe.

[B]

And let me tell you something.

[A]

Ryan Seacrest, hell of a talent.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Talented guy.

[A]

Hell of a talent. Talent. But when you want to be the big star in wwe, being the Ryan Seacrest of WWE is not what you want to hear. But I knew that if they gave me a microphone, I could get the crowd to want to see me get beat up in the ring. He wanted me to be the host of Smackdown. Like, they wanted me. They didn't want me to be, like, a wrestler. They even tried to get me to be a commentator. Like, commentators being like, you know, hello, everybody, and welcome to Monday Night Raw or Friday Night smackdown. They wanted me to be that guy. And I, I actually went to Stanford to do that. And, like, they asked me, like, this is what we're thinking. This is. I was like, I really want to. I think I could be a WWE Superstar. Like, I. And, and by the way, even me thinking of this now, like, I can't believe I had that much balls to say that. Like, because when you're trying to get in, been to wwe and this is your dream, it's like they're. They're giving you, like, an opportunity. Take it, take it. Take everything. Take everything. And I was.

[D]

And you're trying to tell them, I think I can be a WDA.

[A]

By the way, 200 nothing pounds, and everyone's still. By the way, back then, people were still huge, right? Yeah, they were massive throughout these stories.

[B]

You've gotten taller, by the way.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah, thank you.

[A]

So. And I feel taller because that's my feeling at the time.

[B]

Let's go.

[A]

So I, so, yeah, I, I, I got the microphone. I was the host of smackdown, and I knew if I could get people to hate me enough or love me enough on the microphone, that they'll want to see me in the, in the ring. And finally, after, I believe, like, that's where I did the hosting of smackdown, did the hosting of the Diva search. And once I got done with the Diva search, I was told, hey, you're gonna have your first match next week.

[B]

Week.

[A]

And it was against Tatanka, and had my first match against Tatanka, and I beat him. Went 1 0, and I went like 6 0. And everyone hated it. And it was great because, like, It. The worst thing you can have is when you walk out, no one does anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If they're booing you, that's a pat on the back. That's awesome. And honestly, I prefer it. I like being a bad guy. I like. A lot of people don't like it. A lot of people don't like when they go on Twitter and see, like, this guy sucks. He's terrible. He's the worst wrestler ever. I. It thrives me. Releases a fire in me when someone tells me I can't do something. And that. And now starting to realize, like, more and more. Like, that's how I grew up. Like, my dad was never like, great job. You know, you're doing great. It's always like, mike, what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you throwing a curveball when you just learned how to throw a curveball, throw a fastball? And I'm like, leave me alone, Dad. I know exactly what I'm doing. You know? And it's like in football or basketball, it was always like, you're. How are you missing foul shots, Mike? They're the easiest ones. You're just standing there, just hit the thing, doing it, you know? So, like, that's what I grew up with. So now, like, when the audience. I hear the audience doing that kind of stuff, it's like, kind of what I grew up with. And it's made me who I am. It like, my dad, like, I love the fact that he did this, that, and was like that, because it. It gave me a work ethic. Like, you had to work for everything. Every ounce, every inch, everything that you've ever gotten. Like, and in ww, you have to work for everything. The reason why it was so hard in developmental is because when you get up to the top and you're a WWE Champion, you have to be able to withstand everything. And I mean everything. And so the pressure when you are a champion, they're trying to see be. They're weeding out all the people that. That don't need to be there that can't withstand the pressure of being not alone. WWE Superstar. But can they stand the pressure of having the weight of a WWE Championship? Because there's. It's. It's unlike anything you can ever imagine. When you have that title, everything is on you. The company, we have a bad. We have a bad showing at an arena where it's not sold out or it's half full or. Or the ple doesn't get as many buys. That's on you. It's not on all those other guys. That's on you. You're the face of the company. You're the guy that we put our. Put everything into. So if we are failing, you're fa. Like, if I'm failing, the company's failing. That's. That's what you feel like. That's the pressure that you have. So when you're going through the developmental and you're going through that hell, and it's tiring and it's hard, and you're. You're sitting there going. Every day, you're sitting there saying, can I do this? Oh, my God, I don't know. I don't know. But one more day, one more day, one more day. And when I got up to wwe, I got kicked out of the locker room. The, the, the, the, the. The Superstars didn't like me. And if you get kicked out of the locker room, like, I don't know in football, but, like, I need people to teach me how to be a wwe, how to be a top talent in wwe, right? So people are like, well, why didn't you fight the people? People, like, why didn't you, you know, stand up for yourself? And I'm like, in that moment, if I would stood up for myself, I would have got fired within a week and I would have never made it back. Because I was that guy, like, that nobody wanted. There I was the guy that was walking on eggshells. But, you know, somehow, some way, I would crush every egg. And literally, like, I remember I was eating chicken in a locker room and a guy came in. It's like, you got chicken all over the place. And I still, to this day, day do not believe that I got chicken all over the place because I was so on the eggshells that I was like, eating like this. And they were like, you got it everywhere. And then by the time, you know, the telephone happened, it was like I was taking chicken and just throwing it all over the locker room, you know, which I wasn't, but then got kicked out of the locker room. Took like six months to get back into the locker room. And it was a lot of like, yes, sir, hello, sir. Hello, sir. And by the way, back then, men, everyone shook each other's hands. When you walk into the arena, you shook, you shook everyone's hand. You look them in the eye. I, I don't care if they were eating or whatever, because they'll find something, right? So if someone was eating and you didn't shake their hand and they saw you didn't shake My hand today. He didn't shake your hand.

[B]

They gave him a posturing going on. How can you.

[A]

How could he not shake your hand? It does. It's not like that anymore. And sometimes I miss those days. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it really showed a respect and a want. And honestly, it. I remember I went into an audition for a Supernatural, and I walked in and I'm just. So I just shake everyone's hand. I shook everyone's hand in the audition. And I remember getting the part and then being like, how did I get that part? Is like, one, you were amazing in it, and you. There was no one that we actually saw. But two, you shook everyone's hand. Like, we'd never seen anyone do anything. Like, no one does that. Like, usually people just go in. They're so in their head. And I was like, wow. That was something that WWE has always ingrained in me. Like, you, you kind of. Even when I'm done with, like, on, like, when I was doing American Gladiators, I. After we were done, I would shake everyone's hand after the end of the night. It's just something that's ingrained in me now. Like, when you're done, you shake everyone's hand because. And you look them in the eye and say thank you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it kind of ingrained that in me. So I was like, it doesn't happen now, like, because it's, it's very. It's not loose, I would say. But I don't know, back then, it was, it was very difficult. But I'm glad I went through it because it made me realize, like, I could take on anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could do anything I need to do you know what I mean?

[D]

Yeah. Is there a. Was there ever a moment where you're, like, at the top, whether it's WWE Champion or you're getting right there to where you failed on the mic, or you had a lapse, like, during a promo to, like, ah, that was my mom moment. Oh, I let everybody down.

[A]

It's. Every time I go out there, I'm, I'm so. I will watch every. A lot of people don't like to watch themselves on tv. They don't like the way they sound. They don't like the way whatever. I dissect everything I do.

[B]

Will you watch this podcast? Huh?

[A]

Absolutely. Are you kidding me? And I will dissect everything. I should have talked about that. Should have talked about that. Could have went in this depth. I could have done a joke there. I, I, that's just everything I do. I Literally, I study it and say, how could I have done that better? I will watch this podcast and I'll go, how could I have done that podcast better? How could I done it for the boys? Because I'm a fan of busting with the boys. I think that you, what you've guys done and what you've created out of a bus, especially that you guys, obviously pro football players, very, very successful. Undrafted, but you did well. Hey, man, you were great on special teams. Yeah, you really were.

[D]

I needed.

[B]

You were.

[A]

And you were a great linebacker.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

You really were. But, man, what you guys were able to create. Think about that. That it is very hard to do. Be successful in one thing and then turn it around and be successful in something else. And not only that, create jobs for so many more people and then have so many different avenues. Like, you guys have created a really cool atmosphere for people to come and talk. I watched Dominican sue and I was like, I always thought that guy was a jerk because I watched him on football and it seemed like it seemed like he was a jerk. And then I watched him on here and I was like, I like that guy who's soft spoken. He was eloquent. He was very business savvy. I was like, wow, man, I did not think sue was like that. You know, he seemed like just a dirty, dirty player.

[B]

Yeah, he had a couple of things.

[D]

Yeah.

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[B]

So I know the biggest thing going on right now is Russell Palooza. Russell Palooza. And I mean WWE is going to espn. Like, talk about not only Russell Palooza, but like, how WWE has been able to evolve in the two decades you've been a part of it.

[A]

Dude, it's, it's been incredible. I've been here for 20 years and I remember when the scenes weren't full, right? I remember when looking out there and it's just, you know, how do we get more popular? How do we build this business? And every day you just go out there and you do the best you possibly can, you know. And so now looking at where we are, we're on Netflix. And I think us going to Netflix was a huge, huge move.

[B]

Move.

[A]

And the reason being is one of my buddies lives down the street and he has three boys. And he was like, yeah, they never really, really watched until you were on Netflix. Because now it's not at 11 o' clock at night, they had to go to bed 8 to 11. That's a dark, that's a late night. But when they get home from school, it's on Netflix. It's right, right there. Number one show on Netflix. Boom. They turn it right on. And that, that's generating a whole new fan base because we're also on USA for Friday night smackdown. And then once tko, we're, it feels like we're, we're getting out there more in the world, if you will. Like, there's less live events, but we're traveling more worldwide and they're creating new places. Like ESPN now is our home for ples, Premium live events. And our first one is Wrestle Palooza. It's going to be a part of the big six. You got WrestleMania, you got Royal Rumble, Survivor Series, SummerSlam, Money in the Bank. Bank. And now Russell Palooza. We have Big six. These are our big huge ples. And they're all going to be on espn. We're moving to everything, all our ples to espn. This is the first one and it's starting off with a bang. I mean, you have Cody Rhodes, who is our WWE Champion, who has been doing a phenomenal job as WWE champion. Have you guys talked to him yet? You will want to talk to him. He has an amazing story. It's Dusty Rhodes, kid, right? And growing up as a kid of a living legend. To be in that shadow, but not only to, to be in the shadow, but to succeed under that shadow and take what he's done. His story is tremendous. I mean, he literally was unhappy in wwe. He left. He created a, a whole underground vibe of literally a huge fan base that brought him back into fruition to where people like WWE didn't look them look at him as a main event. They said he's, he's. He's a mid, carder, but so he said, I'm better than that. I know I'm better than that. And I don't like where I'm at. So I'm going to leave and I'm going to build and I'm going to make you believe that I'm a main eventer. And he did exactly that. He came back and now he is our poster child. He is, he. He's guile in Street Fighter, you know, and he's been doing, I mean, he's been doing a tremendous job, but I mean, he's going to be taking on Drew McIntyre for the WWE Championship. John Cena is on a farewell tour. This is the last time we're going to see him wrestle in a ring in Indianapolis at Wrestle Palooza. Against who? Brock Lesnar?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Man seems like a psycho.

[A]

Oh, my God. I mean, Brock Lesnar is just a massive human being and just full of just muscle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like, when you think of a professional wrestler like you show Brock Lesnar, it's like, yeah, that guy. I don't want to mess with that guy at all. And John Cena's last match in Indianapolis will be against Brock Lesnar, and he's on a farewell tour. And this is sad for I think not only me, but I feel like the up and coming superstars because I got to learn from John Cena. I got to get the teachings from John Cena. And now these kids that are coming up from our performance center center won't get that opportunity to, to, to wrestle John Cena.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Look at the wrestle me, which is great, but there, there's, there's a, there's a difference. Right? I've got to learn from John Cena now, hopefully I can take what he's taught me and pass it on down. And that's what you do as a legend in the business. Right? You always want the stuff that you've taught and left on this industry to be passed down for generations upon generations. And so I've been fortunate and very lucky to be in the ring. I want to do it one more time, but I feel like he only has like six more dates because this year is the last year. I think it's like December something. Is his last show. Yeah. Is his last wrestling match. He's been doing a farewell tour. This is it.

[B]

This is on September 20th.

[A]

September 20th will be the last time you see John Cena wrestle in Indianapolis.

[B]

Oh, buddy.

[A]

Yeah. And that's Russell Palooza. I mean, this is what. That. Why it's big. Not only that, like you have Seth Rollins and Becky lynch teaming up. They're a couple going up against the couple of CM Punk and AJ Lee, who just made her return in Chicago. And it was wild. It was. It's big. And so the couples matches are always interesting because you never know. Like we always say, you never know what's going to happen. But in a couple's match, like this is a real life couples. Yeah, they're real life. And they're fighting each other at Russell Palooza. I mean, I can't wait for Russell. I mean, I. And being able to go to espn, like, I mean, it's the worldwide leader in sports. Like, I mean, think about that.

[B]

We've been able to dip our toes.

[A]

When I was a kid, we got.

[D]

A pinky in there.

[A]

What did you, what did you watch when you were a kid?

[B]

Espn.

[A]

Espn. Like when you wake up in the morning, some people watch news. I watch espn.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I remember like espn, esp. In your face. You probably don't remember that, but I remember that.

[B]

Commercials, the whole thing.

[A]

Yeah. And now. And. And sometimes I felt like, you know, ESPN kind of sidetracked us. Not sidetracked, but like, kind of like, like not push us aside, but like we're wwe, were sports entertainment now we're a focal point in espn. And I love the fact of being on ESPN and being able to have our huge events on there. It's going to be amazing.

[B]

The only thing that worries me for you guys and Russell Palooza is it's. I mean, I feel like somebody should have thought of this, but like you guys booked it on the same day as the bus and bowl.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. That is Michigan versus Nebraska. It is. So. Yeah. It's a double header. It might be one of the greatest days in entertainment ever. Yeah. Right.

[D]

In Nebraska. Boston bowl was at 2:30.

[A]

Did you go to Nebraska?

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Oh, and you went to Michigan.

[B]

I went to Michigan.

[A]

Ohio State. I mean, national champions. But wait, I went to Miami. Ohio. Yeah, but I mean, I. Yeah, hold on, because you said.

[B]

I heard you mentioned Miami of Ohio. I heard you mentioned Stanford on this and then you just said Ohio State.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who You.

[A]

I mean, I'm a Miami. Ohio. We're never in the tournaments. Like last time we were in a tournament I think was like with Roethlisberger or Wally Zerbiak in the, in the NBA. But I mean, I Mean, we're never in anything. So it's the Ohio State.

[D]

Sean McVeigh went to Miami of Ohio.

[B]

He did.

[A]

You know what's interesting about that? I have a story about Sean McVeigh. So Jay Glazer has a. A gym unbreakable in Los Angeles, or he did. I don't know if he still does, but Jay told me to come down to. To work out there.

[B]

There.

[A]

First day I get there, I'm like, working out with, like, Sylvester Stallone, and then who. Who shows up? And this is before he's the coach of the Rams. He just got the job. Sean McVeigh walks in, and so Jay's like, you two should work out together. I'm like, yeah, sure, no problem. I, like. I was like, oh, yeah, this is a good guy. Good. I wanted to run through a wall. Like. Like, when we were done working out, like, he was pushing me, like, pushing me. And I was like, this is why this guy is going to be a great coach. And then, like, he became this amazing coach. And I was like, I know why I felt it. Like, you. There's certain people that you can feel in energy, and it drives you. And there's something about Sean McVay that literally, when you are around him, you want to do better. You want to be better. You're like, I can. I can beat this guy. But he's not going to let you beat him. Like, you have to really work for it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So McVeigh is awesome, man. In my book, he's a dog.

[D]

Wow, that is awesome.

[B]

You were able to have him at the Redskins? Yeah, yeah.

[D]

He was the OC at Washington when I was there, and he was. He's a stud. Like, I know he was doing, like, the interview circuit for head coaching jobs, and the way they were kind of telling me about it is he'll get in the circuit this year, probably won't get a job, and then the next year it'll keep growing and building. But apparently, like, when he went interview with the Rams, they didn't want him to leave the room because he had. Did he had done such an incredible job. Again, just the aura that he has, like, once you're around him, he's got it. He's got that X factor.

[B]

The last 10 minutes of the conversation took place. We talked about Shadur Sanders, a bunch of things.

[D]

Caleb Williams.

[B]

Caleb Williams. Is he the guy? Is he not the guy? Seems like a thing that you guys will never know the answer to at this point.

[D]

So if we talked about. You just keep Bears fans Just in hell because they want to know these they don't deserve.

[A]

You know, I do not feel sorry for any Bears fan. I saw your whole little promo and I was like, you don't even get it. You don't get. You had you. You had Rex Grossman take you to the super bowl and you got to go to a Super Bowl. You know, I have to go through.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At least you had Jay Cutler for a while.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

I mean, that was fun.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. Me, Me.

[A]

What have I had?

[B]

What are the Bears fans?

[A]

What. What is the Cleveland Browns.

[D]

So that video would have been great for you when you guys had drafted, what, Johnny Manzel. What, What. What pick did you have him on?

[B]

30. 31st.

[D]

Even then. But it's like, you know, they went through all these guys. You got the number one overall pick, and he just doesn't seem like he number one overall picture.

[A]

How many times have I had the number one pick or close to the number one pick and. Or the guy that everyone's talking about.

[D]

Who's been the quarterback that you've taken?

[A]

Like Charlie Fry.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Brady Quinn. Brandon weeden.

[D]

Tough. Exactly.

[A]

DeShawn Kaiser.

[D]

Yeah. And that. The video that I post.

[A]

McCoy.

[B]

Oh, that's your boy.

[D]

Colt was.

[A]

I mean, do we want to go old? Do we want to go old? Tyrod Taylor, Senica Wallet. I mean, what else do you want, huh?

[D]

All I'm saying.

[A]

RG3. We had him as well. Yeah. Anderson. I thought he was a guy. He didn't end up being a guy. What else, huh?

[B]

Dude, I feel like the Miz saw that one photo of the. The fan that has like the name and then a whole bunch of sheets of like the other names that took place and you memorize them.

[A]

That's my life. No, I didn't memorize. That's my life. I would have made this is what I remember.

[D]

I would have made that video for you guys had you, you know, had this. This is going to be the next coming of our court. This is going to be our quarterback for life.

[B]

Who. Who.

[D]

Look, I know you don't feel bad.

[A]

For the Bears babies. You bunch of cr. You don't get it. You didn't have to go through a no win season and then the next year win two games. Boy, was that a fun year. Those were fun for us. Do you understand what the. The thing about Chicago is? It's a big city, right? They got the Bulls. They got the. You know, Cleveland needs its sport when it's sports thrives. Cleveland thrives and that's why we need great football team, basketball team, baseball team. Because when those sports are going, that city is pumping, man. And that's what I love about that city. But it's hard when the city. When it's not happening because it's. It's depressing.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The city feels it.

[B]

I feel.

[A]

I love Kevin Stefanski. Kevin Savanski is a coach. Like, I do not think. Think. Like, if we do terribly this season, we need to, like, talk about time out.

[D]

What was your expectation going into this.

[B]

Season for the Browns Super Bowl?

[D]

No, it wasn't.

[A]

Yes, it was.

[D]

No, it wasn't.

[A]

100%. I'm from Cleveland, bro.

[B]

You're not. Joe Flacco saying, why not with the Ravens?

[A]

Why not us? Why not? Why not Joe?

[B]

He did it because all the things you said, that's why not.

[A]

You don't get it. Joe Flacco was an mvp. Super bowl winning mvp.

[B]

I agree. I was in college when that happened. Happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that was 2002.

[A]

I was hating him.

[D]

You're talking about division now.

[A]

I like him.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But Joe Flacco, the age he's at now. I saw him run. It looked a lot like me running out there.

[A]

He's a pocket passer.

[D]

Rogers, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. Like, there's no way you're thinking this is a Super Bowl.

[A]

He's gone for a couple weeks.

[D]

He's gone.

[A]

We should, by the way, we should have beaten Cincinnati. We beat ourselves, and that's a lot. That's what I think happens a lot of time with Cleveland. Brown rounds. We end up beating ourselves. Miles Garrett controls a game. It's interesting to watch him. Like Micah Parsons, like, they're game wreckers. They ruin an entire offense that literally thinks that they can do an offense that usually can do whatever the hell they want. Is that Jamar, Chase T. Higgins. Oh, all these super sexy playmakers. And then what happens? Miles Garrett gets in there and goes, here's your seven yards for the second half. And how do we lose? How do we lose?

[B]

No offense, Joe Flacco. Which brings us back two interceptions. What do we do?

[A]

What? What do I do? Dylan Gabriel. Is that our guy? Do you think Shadur's our guy?

[B]

I think Dylan Gabriel looked pretty good when you put him against. Yeah. By the way, you guys Lost the game 42:17 against the Ravens yesterday. Well, obviously, you just talking about Super Bowl. I remember Gabriel came in and had a nice touchdown pass.

[A]

Do you want to hear something about his birthday weekend? I thought Flacco was going to get the, the win, and then he was going to have, I think, 31 teams that he's beaten. I thought he was going to beat the Ravens yesterday. I thought we were going to win.

[B]

That's what makes fandom the best. That is that delusional thought process.

[A]

It's not delusional. We. It could happen.

[B]

It could.

[A]

Miles Garrett's on our team.

[B]

It could, but not right now. Your offensive line's not very good. Your best running back, he's got a DVD issue.

[D]

Think about what your expectations would be. The history that you've talked about. The Cleveland Browns. And you go out and get Ben Johnson, he's the new head coach, and you're. It's like year two for the number one over.

[A]

We got Kevin Stefanski, like, five years ago, and he. He was the coach of the year two of his, like, five years that he's been. What do you want from me? Like, we have a coach of the year. He's won coach of the year twice.

[D]

So when Stefanski came over, like, what was the expectation? We're about to win the whole thing?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Yeah. So my video would have been great for that year. When, you know, those couple years happened for you guys and Baker Mayfield. Stefanski can't make.

[B]

Can't make videos for all the bad teams.

[A]

Can you, can you explain this to me, though? Here's what I don't understand.

[B]

Understand.

[A]

You have Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield was rookie of the year, right? And then. And he, he, he. He had records. And then the second year, I believe he got injured maybe, and then he got ousted. How does that happen? How do you look at a guy that gets rookie of the year, that takes you to a playoff that you've never been and wins in the playoff? We almost beat the Kansas City Chiefs, if you remember that. We, we almost won that game. And so then you go to kicking him off your team. Why? Yeah, like, why does that happen?

[B]

I know I don't.

[A]

And then I met him on the show, Baker, and I gotta tell you, I love the guy.

[B]

Yeah. I think anybody who comes across Baker Mayfield loves Baker Mayfield.

[A]

So, so if you, if you.

[B]

Stefanski.

[A]

You think Stefanski didn't like.

[B]

No. I don't know.

[A]

Do you think that is it, though, or do you think the higher up upper management, like, what would it be, though? If you see a guy in a locker room and he's getting along with. He seems like a guy that gets along with boys. Like, right. Like, he seems like a guy that can motivate a team And. And get.

[D]

Not only that, you had a run game. You had an incredible offensive line. Chub.

[A]

Yeah. So I don't understand, like, that. Why. Why did we get r. It. It'll. It'll always be in my mind. I. I'll never understand it. Being with him at the American Century Championship. I like, played 18 holes with him and Ken KD, and, boy, was that fun.

[D]

That's a good.

[A]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I was filming for my. My YouTube channel. Ms. Golf out there. For anyone that wants to watch, Go Subscribe. Like, subscribe Miss Golf. Yeah. I. And honestly, at one point, all three of us were listening to Baker's music and dancing in the middle of the fairway, and I go, what do you listen? What is this we've been listening to all day? It's the best music ever. He goes, big booty mix 15.

[B]

And I'm like, you're kidding.

[A]

I was like, this is what this is. I. And so now have big booty mix 15 just playing all the time. Whenever I'm golfing.

[D]

I'm going to R it on the way home.

[A]

Dude, I'm telling you, it was great to.

[D]

I listen. I know you're in pain. As a Browns fan.

[A]

You don't know what pain is. You sit there and you cry. Caleb, isn't it?

[B]

Tell them about the Huskers, Will.

[D]

He don't know about the Huskers.

[A]

What about the Huskers? They're going to lose to Michigan, I'll tell you that. I don't even like Michigan, but they're going to lose to Michigan. I don't even know. I mean, is that even a game?

[D]

I.

[A]

It's gonna be like that rambling game that was, like, zero points scored.

[D]

I had no clue. My Bears video did this to you because you're lashing out right now. But to act like I don't know pain, you'd be sadly mistaken. The Huskers. Over the last decade since I walked.

[A]

Why'D you go to Nebraska?

[D]

Bo Pelini and that staff.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. My family's from Broken Bow, Nebraska. Some of my family.

[D]

Are they Oscar fans.

[A]

I've been there. I've been to. They are.

[B]

Are.

[A]

Yeah. I think everyone's a Husker fan in Nebraska. Get her Done's a big Husker fan, too. The cable guy's a big, big. I. I see him at the American Century Championship as well.

[B]

You should not go to Wrestle Palooza and come to the Bus and Bowl. Should check that out.

[A]

I'd love to, but it's a Huge event. It's our big six and it's a big deal. And we're going to promote the hell out of it here with busting with the boys.

[D]

Yes, we are.

[A]

Because it's a big deal.

[D]

What's the. I haven't, I haven't like the big.

[A]

Wait, you're telling me you don't want to see John Cena versus Brock Lesnar?

[D]

Absolutely.

[B]

I would love if you took a gorilla and shaved all. All its hair off its body. That's what Brock Lesnar. That is. I mean, he is a freak. That is going to be incredible. I can't wait to watch it.

[A]

And the way. There's the, the way we've been putting out things when we went to Netflix with smackdown usa. You look at it now and you think, we're going to espn. We're pulling out all the stops. So I feel bad for you guys on that Saturday because we're pulling out everything.

[B]

Can I be honest with you? No one could show up to that game. And Will and I will be excited about it.

[A]

That's right.

[D]

I mean, there's no place I'd rather be in Memorial Stadium on Saturday where we kick off conference play with the Michigan Wolverines and the Bus and Bowl. We got our trophy. This is a trophy game.

[A]

So will you guys be kind of commentating on it or will you guys, you guys be just fans hanging out?

[B]

We're sitting there. We'll be on the sideline. I don't know what the dynamics look like. Last time we stood on the Nebraska sideline. We'll probably do the same thing again.

[A]

You'll stand on the Nebraska sideline?

[B]

Yeah. Listen, I'm not here to put Salt. No, we're 40 against Nebraska.

[D]

You should see if you could stand on the Michigan side.

[B]

I could if I wanted, but if I. I go, I go GBR after go Blue. Like it Will knows.

[A]

What do you think of JJ McCarthy?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

What do you think of JJ McCarthy?

[B]

Where am I at? JJ McCarthy, where are you at? Take some time. Time. I think he had a great coaching staff and I think he got a good defense behind him too. They're going to be in games because of their defense and the coaching staff at all worried? Well, yeah, I think you should be concerned a little bit if you're a Vikings fan. But like.

[D]

Two to three years.

[A]

Oh, but wait a second.

[D]

He's ruled out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. Yeah.

[A]

Who got ruled out?

[D]

JJ but him being a first round pick, he'll have two years.

[A]

Wait a second. He. He's ruled out of the game. Yeah, already. See, that's the second injury in two years.

[B]

Yeah, that's tough. Can't get that bug. You gotta. You gotta get that off.

[D]

Try to pour salt to the win. Since he's Michigan and you're an Ohio State guy a little bit, I kind of see his antics right now.

[B]

Oh, no. Yeah. But it's seen. But this is like, you know, what do you do to a guy who's been beat down four years in a row? Like, do I go and, like, say something back?

[A]

The national champions. I can't remember.

[B]

Do you do Was. Guys?

[A]

Is it.

[D]

I think it was the Buckeyes last year.

[A]

Oh, Ryan Day.

[B]

Oh, leader of men.

[A]

My goodness.

[B]

Leader of men. Ryan Day. That's your guy.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

And also, you remind me a lot of a Ohio State fan that's on this bus right now because you've mentioned three different schools. You were a Miami fan growing up, then you run over Cleveland Browns.

[A]

I wasn't a Miami fan growing up.

[B]

Ohio State fan.

[A]

The hardest school to get into. And I'm smart, you guys. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to the hardest school to get into. And I went to J. Crew. You. It's the Harvard of the Midwest, Miami of Ohio. I went there. Doesn't mean that I was a fan of the Red Hawks. Okay.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I don't think anyone even goes to the Red Hawks.

[B]

Mr. M. No one's coming at you here. I'm just pointing something out.

[A]

I feel like someone's coming at me. I feel like it's like 20%. I'm doing this and this and diving through and sacking.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Ryan. Was it Ryan Tannehill?

[B]

Yeah. Ryan Tana, Marcus Mariota.

[A]

That's what I'm doing.

[B]

Charlie Whitehurst, Jake Locker. Had a lot of. Zach Merger. Had a lot of them. I had a lot of them.

[D]

Let's get a quick tea. Quick tea. Let's bring it back in. Let's bring it back in because I.

[B]

Were you guys favored in the last game, Michigan versus Ohio State?

[A]

I don't. I don't remember.

[B]

Minus 20 and a half points, you guys were favored by. In Columbus, Ohio. Do you know, like. Like passing how Michigan did last year?

[A]

No, I don't follow.

[B]

We went to the settings and we turned it off. There's only. We only threw. We threw more passing yards. The only schools we threw more than were military schools.

[A]

I thought people forgot about Michigan since Jim Harbaugh left. I didn't even think it was a school Anymore.

[B]

Well, how. State hasn't, because you guys changed two laws because of them.

[A]

Two laws?

[B]

Yeah. It's actually illegal to go into Columbus, Ohio, and plan a yard line.

[A]

Just hand in hand. I am just telling you the truth. You walking around telling you the truth. Did they ban you from the U?

[B]

No, they ban you. I got in there. I was in there. Week one. Ohio State for a second.

[A]

You will be.

[B]

I will be.

[A]

Don't you worry.

[B]

I love that. Ohio State's always good. I love that Ohio State's always good. And I'm glad Ohio State won the national championship last year. It's good you guys kept it in the Big Ten.

[A]

Yep, that's right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You're very welcome.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Congratulations.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

How's it doing?

[B]

Over.

[D]

So John Cena. Yeah, John Cena. The whole heel switch thing, is he still a heel?

[A]

No, he's baby face now.

[D]

Baby face now. How did that work out? High level upper management, the move to do John, I don't know how that.

[A]

That I thought. I thought it created intrigue and interest because John was never a bad guy. Like, I mean, in the beginning of his career, he was a little bit. But I mean, for the 99 of his career, he's been the Uber baby. Even when people wanted him to change and go to a bad guy, he never did. And so I. I don't know. This is me speaking just on my mind. And what I know as a WWE Superstar, it creates intrigue. It's like, oh, he's never done that. Maybe John wanted to do that because. Or maybe the. The higher ups wanted him to do that. Or it was just a collective unit where they were like, let's try that. But sometimes that happens, right? And you see what happens. And, I mean, John can make anything work. John is just that talented. I mean, you look at. At what he's able to do, not only in wwe, but in the movies. I mean, you watch. If you watch Peacemaker, I mean, that show is phenomenal. So good. It's the work ethic that John Cena has, and he's. He's parlayed it to every person that he's come across. Like, for me, like, my work ethic stems from what he has put upon me, if that makes any sense.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

[D]

Obviously got a massive, like, what do you call? Backlash, Whatever. All the engagement in the world.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So no matter what you pivot, it's like, okay, yeah, if this is not the route we want to go, we can switch course now. But it's gotten everybody talk. It had.

[A]

So it was kind of cool because he did it. And then it was like, oh, this is weird, this is interesting. But everyone's talking about it because it's John Cena. And then when he changed back, it created that much more like, yes, he's back. Our guy's back for the next four. I mean, what is it, three months now? Now we get him for three more months. God, it's crazy. Like every time I see him I go, what, six more days?

[B]

Yeah, six more.

[A]

That's it. I'm wondering. And now he's starting to use all the people that he's paying tribute to, to all the people that he's wrestled by using their finishing maneuvers. Like I saw him use a GTS. I've seen him use pop up power bomb from K.O. i'm like, I'm wondering when he's gonna use the skull crushing finale. I mean, I did beat him in the main event of WrestleMania.

[B]

Yeah, you got it. Have you mentioned it to him? Show him the text.

[A]

Every day, every time he sees me, I. I think I am the one person. Like, that was the right move. And the only reason it was the right move is because if Cena would have beaten me, it would have been forgotten. Yeah, but I won't let you forget that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And it will go on and on and on for life. Because how many people can say they main evented wrestlemania but not only main evented wrestlemania. As a bad guy. One. I think there's maybe two or three. Three people.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

It's crazy. And I'm that guy, the kid from Parma, Ohio.

[D]

You gotta let him know every time.

[B]

Miami fan. Stanford fan.

[A]

Yeah. Stanford even said Stanford. I think you made that up.

[B]

We can go back. You said something about Stanford school there.

[A]

Go to acting school there, or you went to MC school at Stanford University. Definitely didn't say that, did I?

[D]

He'll know because you're going to watch, he's going to break down his tape.

[B]

And I'm going to want to text from you or DM say saying you were right.

[A]

No, there's no way.

[B]

Do you guys heard Stanford correct?

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Was it Stanford, Connecticut?

[A]

Maybe Stanford. Yeah. Stanford, Connecticut. Stanford, Stanford, Stanford, Stanford, Stanfordford, Stanford, Stanford, Connecticut.

[D]

There we go.

[A]

Headquarters.

[B]

Okay, we're on the Stanford.

[D]

The only text they need out of you is just when as John is. As John Cena is doing everybody else's signature moves, you shoot him a text. Can't wait to see mine.

[A]

Can't wait. I've already talked about It.

[D]

Okay, good.

[A]

I've already, I've already mentioned it to him a couple times.

[B]

How was he receptive to the idea? Of course, I love that.

[A]

John's always receptive to everything.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

First rule of improv, say yes.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yes. Very good. You've went, you've been taking classes.

[B]

I love it. Yeah, absolutely love it. I know we're get you out here in a second. Five, ten pole events. You guys have added this six. How did this come about adding the six? Wrestle Palo Palooza.

[A]

I think making a big deal for actually what it is, moving our ples to the ESPN and finding something that kind of gravitates to espn. That's theirs. Right? And Russell Palooza is it. It's in Indianapolis, which honestly is a great sports spot.

[B]

It's actually a great city.

[A]

It's a great city and I don't think it gets enough. I think McAfee does a great job in promoting it. I think the draft has done a great job in promoting it. But like whenever we go there, the fans are above and beyond. I mean we were just there for Royal rumble. We had 70,000 in Lucas, Lucas Oil Stadium. And so now to bring Russell Paloa and have its entity come to Indianapolis for Russell Paloa, it's going to be lights out. I mean it is going to be a show to be remembered. There will be moments to take. I mean we always say this like this is our kind of thing. Like you take away like my job when I go in that ring is to create a moment that'll last a lifetime. What I want is for families to be in the audience and to be able to talk about the experience they had. Something happened in the ring, the Miz did. And the father and son or the, the father and daughter or the mother and daughter and son, whatever it is, the family gets to talk about that moment. And whether it's me saying, hey kid, this is your hero. Oh, there's your hero, there's your hero. Or the hero being oh, oh, oh, something along those lines. We create moments that last a lifetime. So you can't put price tags on those because those are the moment. Those are the memories that we have with our kids, right? Like I went to the water park yesterday with my kids. I will remember these. That is a memory I'll never forget. And I don't think my kids will either. Me lugging up their rafts four stories on those frickin stairs and then them being scared and me like motivating them and being like, I know you're scared. You know, when I was your age, I was scared, too. But there's. This is a moment that you. You don't have to go down it, but if you want to, and you. You wanted to down there, you want to up here, I promise you, you're not going to get hurt. And then them going down and them jumping up and down in celebration that they did something like that is. I mean, I get goosebumps right now. Like, my heart is filled with, like, love. Right, Right. Because seeing them be scared of something and me being able to motivate them in not something dangerous, but something that, like, I know they can do.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I know they just need to believe in themselves to do it. And so that's those father moments where you're like, oh, it's great. So that's what I want families to have. Right? Like, not necessarily like that moment, but like a moment that they can talk about and share for the rest of their lives. That's what Russell Palooza will do.

[B]

That juices me up. Russell. September 20th, ESPN 7:00pm Eastern Time. All right, this is the last question before we get you out of here. We all know that anybody would do anything for a nice, cold Bud Light. What is something you would do anything for? You can't say family. We've had a lot of subjects on this show.

[A]

What would I do for a Bud Light?

[B]

What would you do anything for? Because people, we know, people do anything for a Bud Light Light. But what would the Miz do anything for?

[A]

So obviously, you do anything for your family.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I do anything for my wife.

[B]

That's. But that's family. Said, no family.

[A]

Can't do that.

[B]

Can't say family.

[A]

What I do anything for, you know, I do anything for. Tell me just to relax, like, my brain, like, and this can't happen, but just to shut down my brain, to slow it down and sit and just relax and just sit and just, I don't know, watch football or watch something that my mind can just go at ease. Like, I have a hard time relaxing. I'm never relaxed. I'm always on whether it's dad, husband, job, work, everything. Boom, boom, boom. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. And I feel like maybe you guys are the same way, because this whole thing that you guys have going, not just busing, but, like, your whole enterprise, guys, it's a lot of work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Takes a lot of. A lot of people to get that done. And a lot of thinking. Then your family and your. And your Friends and everything. It's just sit back and relax, you know? You know what? Actually, I got a better one.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I was actually going to do this with Miss Golf with my dad. So my dad's gonna be on Miss Golf, right? And you'll get to see why I am the way I am. Because the way my dad literally coaches me in golf and everything I do, even in wrestling, even though I'm a professional wrestler.

[B]

Wessler.

[A]

I would give anything to have a dinner with my dad. And just my dad, he will not do it because I will go, dad. I'll come home to Cleveland. I'll go, dad. Let's just. Let's just go to dinner. Okay, Mike? Just me and you. Okay? I go to that dinner, there's 45 people, and literally I'm shaking hands, talking to people. These are all his friends. He's proud, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But he just. He doesn't get that I just want to hang out with him. And it almost feels like, do you not want to hang out with me?

[B]

Right?

[A]

You. You get what I'm saying? Like, absolutely. It's like. But he sees it as. He talks about me all the time, and my friends and family all tell me, oh, he's so proud. He talks about you all. That doesn't tell me, but he tells everybody else. And so it's like, hey, Mike, like, yeah, let's go have dinner. 45 people show up. Oh, don't worry about it. It's just. These are my buddies. Hey, this is my friend that I've been talking about. Oh, here's your article. Hey, nice to meet you. By the end of the night. It's late. All right, I gotta go. We gotta go. Didn't have that dinner.

[B]

Right?

[A]

See what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that would be it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Especially because my dad's getting older and I. I read something. The Internet is a crazy place, right? Once you start scrolling, man, you get sucked in the grass.

[D]

That just got the amount of times you see them.

[A]

I don't live in Cleveland.

[B]

We all have the same algorithm.

[A]

I don't live in Cleveland. Cleveland. I live in Las Vegas now. I'm gonna see my dad. How many times? He's 70 something years old. How many times will I. Will I see him?

[B]

Yeah, Rick, we'll see him twice a year.

[A]

Twice a year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If that average age in is 76.

[A]

So he's 72.

[B]

Right.

[D]

So you gotta assume just a hand.

[A]

Well, he was. He just had cancer on his kidney, but he got his kidney taken out. He didn't need to go through chemo or anything like that. So that's that. But he always tells me. He's like, I'm tired. I'm always tired. And I'm like, I'm trying to think, like, maybe. Are you sleeping enough? I'm sleeping enough. Are you eat. What are you eating? Are you eating the right foods? He's like, I think so. Are you drinking enough water? Like, you. You're going through all the. All the motions and all that stuff. It's like, how? I mean. And so we're gonna play go golf 18 holes. And he's like, well, I got a card game the day before Mike. So I'm like, dad, can you not do the card game? He's like, yeah, but I'll be down. I'll be down 2:30. And I'm like, we're playing at 8:30 in the morning, so I'll be all right. I'm like, okay, dad. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. So we'll play 18 holes and see how that goes. But I think my bet is going to be if I win, he has to have dinner with me. But if he wins, I'll do an autograph signing for him wherever, whenever.

[B]

I love that.

[D]

I think no matter what, we got to clip this for you. So that way you can just. Hey, dad, I'm done talking to you. Listen to this.

[A]

So here's what will happen. My family will send it to him. He'll go, ah, don't worry about it. It's fine, though. Yeah, it's fine, guys. It's fine. It's fine.

[B]

We're with you, brother.

[A]

I hope you get that dinner moment. You know that.

[B]

Did he really?

[A]

Yes. My dad had a WrestleMania moment. I put him into a match at WrestleMania at MetLife Stadium, me versus Shane McMahon. And I told him, if Shane starts beating me up, you will walk in the ring. And this is what. So I told him to put up his dukes, and he put him up. Like, like, like. This became a meme, by the way. This is a meme. Like, it was the biggest, biggest, most talked about picture. Like, look. Look at the way he's standing. Like, this is like, get. Get a, like, mustache on your old man.

[B]

That's awesome.

[A]

I totally put his dukes up. He puts up like a 1940s, like, boxer. Come on, put him up. So. So, yeah, like, he got in there and that became a viral moment. Probably the most viral moment at that WrestleMania. And he's like, Mike, I was in the ring for five seconds. I became a viral moment. And you've been doing this for how long? Long? And how many times have you gotten that big of a reaction? I'm like, oh my God.

[B]

Yeah, look at Lesnar. That is awesome.

[A]

That's actually not real.

[D]

I know, I know.

[A]

That's AI. He never got in the ring with Lesnar.

[D]

Look at Brock Lesnar right there.

[B]

Yeah, look at Brock Lesnar right there.

[A]

A mass of a man.

[B]

Dude, we appreciate you coming the show.

[A]

Love like your guys's story and your journey and everything that you guys have done. Like your stories are incredible and I love seeing this. This whole warehouse full of just your toys.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Awesome man. You guys deserve it. You guys work hard so I appreciate it. Hey now. Thank you guys.

[D]

It's a long pod too.

[B]

Thanks for being here.

[A]

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