Will Compton Mourns Nebraska Loss + NFL Week 9 Recap w/ Greg Olsen & Sam Darnold For MVP?

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys – Will Compton Mourns Nebraska Loss + NFL Week 9 Recap w/ Greg Olsen & Sam Darnold For MVP?

Date: November 3, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton ("Bus"), Taylor Lewan, and Jack
Special Guest: Greg Olsen

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Episode Overview

This episode of Bussin' With The Boys is a lively, in-depth recap of an emotionally turbulent football weekend. Will Compton grieves Nebraska’s heartbreaking loss to USC, the boys break down other major college games (including Michigan, Tennessee, and more), and Greg Olsen joins for a detailed, thought-provoking conversation on NFL Week 9, offensive and defensive trends, roster management, and key matchups. The atmosphere is equal parts therapy session, tactical whiteboard, and locker-room banter, balancing grounded football analysis with irreverent camaraderie.

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Main Topics and Highlights

1. Nebraska vs. USC: Mourning the Loss (08:03–24:32)

• Nebraska’s Playoff Hopes Crushed:
  Will and Taylor recap a wild Nebraska–USC game, emphasizing the painful shift from hope to heartbreak after QB Dylan Raiola’s injury (broken fibula) in the third quarter.

  • "At the end of the day, we lost. Our playoff hopes are gone. Our quarterback is injured. He's out for the season with a broken fibula. It was going so well until it just turned and it wasn't." – Taylor (09:05)
  • The ‘Blackout’ at Memorial Stadium is lauded as an electric, must-repeat tradition, with drone shows, blackout endzones, and student energy ("The blackout needs to happen every year." – Taylor, 09:22).

• Analysis of the Game and Emotions:

  • Nebraska defense shut down a dynamic USC passing attack, holding them under 200 yards ("The secondary showed the fuck up. And I was just so excited. I was like, yo, we. We look nice right now." – Taylor, 10:59).
  • Emmett Johnson’s heroic running effort (nearly 30 carries) and heartbreak over a crucial 4th-and-1 trip (18:37).
  • Taylor’s melancholy postgame moment: “I just stood in front of the headlights... and just said out loud, one day we will win this whole thing. Just not tonight.” (13:35)

• Looking Forward:

  • The rest of Nebraska’s schedule: UCLA, Penn State, Iowa.
  • Optimism for freshman QB TJ Lateef’s dynamic potential ("Lateef... He's fast. He brings a dynamic that Dylan didn't have as far as with his legs." – Taylor, 16:31).

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2. Other College Football Chaos

• Michigan vs. Purdue (24:32–31:32):

  • Bus is satisfied with a necessary win but frustrated with late-season development for freshman QB Bryce ("He's just a freshman man. So we'll see." – Bus, 29:11).
  • Michigan’s run game shines; defense praised for resilience despite injuries.

• SEC/Big Ten/Around the Country:

  • Tennessee loses to Oklahoma, sparking typical “fire the coach” Twitter rhetoric.
  • Fun observations about the SEC’s “depth,” coaching carousel, wild games, and referee controversy.
  • "I just want to simply turn on the TV and watch a football game." (Taylor, 06:44) – a refrain throughout the episode about streaming service headaches.

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3. Streaming Services Rant (03:20–08:03)

• Animated discussion of how streaming/cable disputes (YouTube TV vs. ESPN) are hurting fans.
• “We're all the victims. The customer becomes the victim because eventually, even if they come to an agreement, you know, prices will be bumped up.” – Taylor (05:35)
• “Why don't we get all those major corporations, just make one app and you guys all get a nice little cut of the pie?” – Bus (07:05)

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4. NFL WEEK 9 Breakdown with Greg Olsen (43:00–104:05)

A. NFC Landscape (49:44–53:05):

• Surprises from Lions, Packers losses; Rams and Seahawks look strong.
• "For the first time in a long time, I think the NFC is actually a deeper conference right now than the AFC." – Greg Olsen (51:50)
• Sam Darnold highlighted as a breakout, fitting perfectly in Seattle’s play-action offense.

B. Run Game vs. Passing Game Debate (55:12–75:40):

• Greg gives a masterclass on offensive philosophy:

  • "The run game is a great way to win games once you have the lead." (56:24)
  • "If you want to score points, the correlation between passing the ball and scoring points is non debatable." (56:50)

• Taylor and Bus argue for the importance of run-pass balance:

  • “If you can win first down, right, by running the ball for four more yards… If you can run, if you can run outside zone to the left... now, all of a sudden you have linebackers flowing to the left side… there’s so much more open.” – Bus (57:39)

• Modern Personnel Chess Match:

  • Explains how teams like the Rams run out of 11 personnel vs. Seattle’s heavy 12/13, manipulating matchups, and how defenses must adapt (66:06–71:04).
  • "It's a game of chess," says Bus (85:29), summarizing the episode’s tone on scheme evolution.

C. Defensive Adaptations and Player Types:

• The decline of 260–270lb interior linebackers; rise of versatility ("It's a lot more positionless in today's NFL on both sides of the ball." – Greg, 89:31).
• Emergence of multi-use tight ends and RBs—“guys that can do both things.”

D. Roster and Coaching Discussion (95:23–103:15):

• Dolphins fire GM (not coach) after loss; debate about organizational order-of-operations and whether firing midseason ever helps.
• Greg: “Traditionally speaking, firing your head coach might feel good... but as far as actually affecting the outcome... there might be a couple outliers but it just continues to unfold.” (101:22)

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5. NFL Games: Rapid Fire Analysis (106:28–117:17)

• Steelers dominate Colts ("$179 million defense... they got after the quarterback." – Bus, 106:32); discussion on Tomlin’s tenure.
• Broncos, Texans, and AFC North playoff picture.
• Bengals’ historic two-game points-with-losses streak: "First team ever to score 38 points in back to back weeks and lose both games." – Greg, 111:03
• Joe Flacco’s MVP “conversation,” Bengals’ defensive issues.

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6. College Football Closing Thoughts & Coaching Carousel

• The boys riff about coaching changes, job openings, and Lane Kiffin rumors.
• A bit of dark humor about coaches getting fired (135:01+), with much speculation about the off-season hot seats.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Nebraska’s heartbreak:
  “One day we will win this whole thing. Just not tonight.” – Taylor (13:35)
• On streaming frustration:
  “We're all the victims…We’re pawns on the chessboard.” – Taylor (05:35)
• Greg Olsen on defensive adaptation:
  “The run game is a great way to win games once you have the lead…If you want to score points, the correlation between passing the ball and scoring points is non debatable.” (56:24, 56:50)
• Bus on a coaching carousel:
  “You fire, you're usually bad for a reason. You're usually getting fired for a reason.” (101:22)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp |
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| Streaming Services/Cable Rant | 03:20–08:03 |
| Nebraska vs. USC Breakdown | 08:03–24:32 |
| Michigan and College Football Recap | 24:32–31:32 |
| SEC/Big Ten Coaching Rumors & Hot Seats | 34:14–36:45; 130:00+ |
| NFL Week 9 w/ Greg Olsen | 43:00–104:05 |
| Modern Run Game v. Pass Game Debate | 55:12–75:40 |
| Steelers/Colts, Bengals, AFC North, Flacco talk | 106:28–117:17 |
| College Football: Coaching Carousel | 130:54–137:17 |

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Tone and Atmosphere

• Language: Raw, conversational locker-room talk, with deep football X’s and O’s and doses of self-deprecating humor.
• Vibe: High-energy, unfiltered, at times sentimental post-loss, always rooted in passionate football camaraderie.

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Final Takeaway

This episode is a microcosm of the football season itself: emotional highs and lows, tactical deep-dives, relentless banter, and, above all, a love for the game and its ever-evolving drama—both on and off the field. Whether you’re reliving collegiate heartbreak, debating offensive trends with All-Pros, or just keeping up with the weekly NFL chaos, the Boys keep it honest, insightful, and entertaining.

Transcript

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[Bus]

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[Bus]

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[Taylor]

Yeah.

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[Taylor]

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[Taylor]

Lots. A lot to break down.

[Bus]

A lot of good, fun football to watch. A lot of fun, especially in the NFL games. College football, not so much. It was more just me getting ready to watch, like, the. The later slates, obviously. Usc, Nebraska, Michigan, Purdue, I was really excited about. I didn't get a whole lot of Oklahoma, Tennessee, and I think that was because of the dispute going on with ESPN and YouTube and I had to bounce back and forth. That was a bit of pain in the ass for me.

[Taylor]

That figured out. As soon as possible.

[Bus]

As soon as possible.

[Taylor]

As soon as possible.

[Bus]

There's a few. I had to do that with Vanity Texas as well earlier in day.

[Greg Olson]

Whose side are you guys on? Are you on YouTube? TV side? Are you on ESPN?

[Bus]

I'm on the side of get it done. I don't even know who. Who's right or wrong in the situation. I just. Boys, put the swords down and let the viewer win.

[Taylor]

You're on the viewer side. You're on the customer side because that, that we're all the people that kind of take the hit. It's like YouTube TV was, what, offering, like, a $20 credit? ESPN wants it to go over on their app, which. Okay, they do have the. They do have the sec. What, Monday Night Football. Yep. What else do they have that are like big. Abc. Abc, yeah, yeah.

[Greg Olson]

ESPN just being a bunch of.

[Bus]

Hold on.

[Greg Olson]

Greedy corporate fat cats.

[Bus]

Okay?

[Taylor]

Everybody is. Everybody is. We're sitting back watching. We're watching like, YouTube, Google, Disney, everybody.

[Bus]

We don't got to cut it. We just got to know that Mitch, Carl, he said that. Not Taylor one. Will Compton. I get it. In the world of television, everyone's trying to make their money. I absolutely. But I know that a couple years ago I had cable. Will sat there and said, hey, hey, you start. You got to go on these streams. Like, the streaming services are incredible. You get everything you want and more. And it's. It's. It's less expensive, all the things. And I'm like, bro, yes. I jump on. Get rid of cable. Now the streaming services is kind of a one where everyone's kind of got something like, oh, I need that. I got to have this. What about that? And it's way more. It's way more expensive. Now the streaming services have kind of won. Now we're getting the fall, which is a religion to all of us here. Every Saturday and Sunday, we want to sit down and watch our games. We want to make it easily accessible to watch the games. And there is a dispute going on. We got Montague's capitalist type of situation. I don't want that. When it comes to us watching college football and NFL.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. I just want to be able to watch the games. Because even if you say like go over on all the ESPN stuff, sometimes it's kind of hard to get back and forth on like sometimes when I'm, when I'm ordering like a pay per view fight for ufc, I get confused on, hey, it seems like it's working. It seems like I also got to pay again or sign in. I thought I was already signed in. So I get confused on the, on the ESPN app at times. Yeah, but if you're espn, you're leveraged up, you got all the se. You got all, all this. I don't know what the dispute is with the, you know, what they're arguing back and forth on, on coming to a settlement on putting them on YouTube TV. But it's just, it's big business.

[Bus]

Big business.

[Taylor]

Just, it's above us taking, taking advantage of all of us. We're, we're, we're all the victims. The customer becomes the victim because eventually, even if they come to an agreement, you know, prices will be bumped up somewhere along the way. Whether it's on YouTube TV, whether it's getting everybody over on ESPN, it's all a game. We're, we're pawns on the chessboard.

[Bus]

I will say it. When it comes to the apps, I agree with you 100%. ESPN is a little harder to kind of maneuver and get around. YouTube TV seems like a dumb man's type of streaming service. Very easy. You pop it on, it's right there, you got all the games you want. You can get your multi view set up. You want custom. It's very, yeah, it's very user friendly. Able to organize your YouTube TV lineup. Yeah. Is the best money, baby. Like the other channels at the bottom. And if you have, if you have the app on YouTube TV, if you have the app on your phone as well, when you start to put in like what your favorite teams are, it'll tell you on your phone, like scores and everything going on there as well. I don't know if ESPN does that. Yeah, they do that, but they've done that. Seems like YouTube is easier for me to use.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I just want it to be easy. Like I'll Pay. I'll pay for a package. Like, I'll pay money for a package. I just want to sit down. I want to turn on the tv.

[Bus]

As little buttons to press as little buttons. The press because.

[Taylor]

Because last year it's like with NFL when basically every kind of network or streaming service had a game. It's like, all right, that's just, that's getting confusing to me. Like, can we just have a one stop shop to where, you know, all the capital businesses, like they have all their wins and everything else. I just want to simply turn on the TV and watch a football game.

[Bus]

Why don't we get all those major corporations, just make one app and you guys all get a nice little cut of the pie. What if we. What if we make an app? Yeah, we'll make it past all the games.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bus]

Bus and tv.

[Taylor]

Bus and tv. Think about it.

[Bus]

I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about ways to get around how we do it.

[Taylor]

I feel like we just got to.

[Bus]

Find a few billion dollars, dude, and we can, we can make.

[Taylor]

I feel like that's what they're all trying to do anyway. It's like they're trying to monopolize television. Like somebody's gonna, somebody's gonna be standing there in the end a decade or two from now with all the, you know, they bought Disney, bought this, Google bought that. Disney buys Google. Google buys Disney. Somebody's gonna be standing there, come down.

[Bus]

To Disney and Netflix. I feel like those are the two. Amazon.

[Taylor]

Amazon.

[Bus]

Amazon.

[Taylor]

Sleep on Amazon.

[Bus]

God, you think so?

[Jack]

Yeah, I mean, just because of who's behind it.

[Bus]

Yeah. Like.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Jeff Bezos.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Jack]

If I'm bet. If I'm betting on CEOs and founders, I'm probably betting on Bezos.

[Taylor]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Bus]

Do we want to get into college football? Do we want to talk about just.

[Taylor]

Yeah, just to let people know we'll break down college football first. Greg Olson. Go, Greg Olson. He will be joining here in a little bit. Then we'll be talking about NFL football. A lot of games, A lot of things to break down. If you are watching, listening right now, just make sure you are subscribed to this channel. Helps the boys out a lot. Massive, massive weekend of football chaos ensuing and the Huskers were right there.

[Bus]

They were right.

[Taylor]

They were right there. Shout out to boys. Hey. Coming and locking in the foxhole with your boy on the stream. All black fun stream. We were blacked out. Dark mode with both Tennessee. Dark mode with Nebraska. And we both just got kicked in the gut.

[Bus]

We probably should have had the lights off in the stream room.

[Taylor]

Yeah, probably should have. The lights off in the street have.

[Bus]

Been the next thing. Do we want to talk about Tennessee first? You want to give the floor to Nebraska? Like, really, I'm here for you guys.

[Taylor]

I just. The problem is I don't know how long I'll talk about Nebraska, so I don't want to.

[Bus]

That's okay.

[Taylor]

I know. I just don't want to take people's time. At the end of the day, we lost. Our playoff hopes are gone. Our quarterback is injured. He's out for the season with a broken fibula. It was going so well until it just turned and it wasn't. Buddy, you could not have asked for a better first half. Like, I'm nervous going to that game because it's usc, they're a very high powered offense. The blackout, everybody embracing the blackout. And I'll just say it right now, the blackout needs to happen every year. The blackout needs to be something that happens every year. People are kind of against it, saying, no, no, all white jerseys, no all black jerseys, yada, yada. Dude, that black, that atmosphere looked one of the coolest atmospheres ever at Memorial Stadium. When we were sitting there watching it as the game was coming on, I just look over at Jack, I was like, I made a mistake not being at that game tonight. The way they painted the black in the black end zones, just. Dude, you could just feel the energy balloons, the black balloons, the way that the Nebraska social team all week covered it, I think they knocked it out of the park. And even the traditionalists, you know, people be like, are the old heads, are they going to wear red? Are they going to come in black? But just black from top to bottom, dude. Student section was there shoulder to shoulder. All the BO yard was packed two hours before kickoff. Like, that atmosphere looked electric. And the football team came out and matched that intensity and matched that energy. Like, you come out, it's like we were taking the fight to usc. It was before the game was started. It's like, hey, seven points are gonna. We're gonna have to keep in three points. And you go into halftime 14 to 6, bro, and excited like, yo, we look fucking good. We were getting gashed in the run game. But if you're sacrificing getting gashed in the run game, it's like, if I could, I would love to sit and watch the film because I'm sure there's a lot of issues to sit there and correct because we've been ran on a few Times this year. But it's like, if we get. If we're sacrificing the run game and holding the three points and keeping that. And keeping Jordan, Makai Lemon and Makai Levin the quarterback. Jordan. My lotta. Yeah, yeah. But keeping that offense through the air where we had them. I want to say he had less than 200 yards on the night. And keeping those receivers like, they are athletic. They're big. We were contesting balls like the secondary showed the fuck up. And I was just so excited. I was like, yo, we. We look nice right now. We got to come out of halftime because we got the ball coming out of half. We had, like, two good first drives, and then USC's defense kind of showed up, was kind of stuffing us. But to get the half up 146 with the ball coming out, I mean, nothing but just keeping the energy was hot. Gentlemen, Emmett Johnson.

[Bus]

What do you have? 30. Do you have 38 touches? Almost.

[Taylor]

He almost had 30 carries once he hit 25 and scored. I'm like, we were saying it. He's got to touch the ball 30 times, and he was running pissed off. The old line showed up way better than they have all year long. And then the third quarter happens. Dylan Rayola breaks his fibula. Our office. Yeah. Lateef comes in. What a moment for him to come in. Just honestly, what a brutal situation to walk into as a true freshman. Do what?

[Jack]

Everything else is going to feel like a breeze for him.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, it's coming to that moment. Yeah. He'll be ready to go this next week at ucla back home. He's from Compton, California. And then we lost our. We lost Pritchard, our left tackle, which we've lost. You know, we were on our third offensive tackle with an inconsistent offensive line throughout the year.

[Bus]

But the week before that, you lost your right tackle as well, correct?

[Taylor]

Yeah, lost our right tackle to an ACL. Then we lost Pritchett last week. Big number 57. Damn. And the boys still kept fighting.

[Bus]

They did.

[Taylor]

They kept fighting. And that's what I was excited about, because once the game ends, you know, the outpour of negativity ensues right in the.

[Bus]

And for the Husker fan base, there'll be some.

[Taylor]

There are some Husker fans that were negative, but there were some that, like, loved the fight. Like, you know, this. It was sadness. The word at the end of the game was sadness. It wasn't disappointment. It wasn't all these other things. But for a lot of people, like, I want to say, there's one over There at all three. Just immediately when the game ended. Couldn't wait to put up Nebraska's record against top 25 teams. Matt rules record against top 25 teams. Like, that stuff poured on us right away. But watching that game finish to end or beginning to end, like, I was proud of the fight, but just sad on the way home. Stood outside, face was painted. There was a light rain coming down by that point of the night, and I just was looking up. I got out of the truck, the headlights were still on. They hadn't shut off yet. So I just stood in front of the headlights and just looked up to the sky and thought and. And just said out loud, one day we will win this whole thing. Just not tonight.

[Bus]

Just not tonight.

[Taylor]

Because that's where it. See it seeps in. Playoffs are over. Like, oh, they were never a playoff team. Like, okay, yes, that's obviously fair now.

[Bus]

No, it's not.

[Taylor]

We would have pulled.

[Bus]

That is not a fair statement at all. Never. A playoff team's crazy.

[Taylor]

No.

[Bus]

If Raiola doesn't get hurt in that game, you guys win that game.

[Greg Olson]

We're.

[Taylor]

Listen, we're playing ucla.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

But we're aligned. But now we've lost three. So now it is.

[Bus]

You are. No, now you are no longer a playoff team. But you guys were absolutely. The way you played usc, you don't have. I know, but there's also a podcast taking place right now where people are thinking, hey, that's crazy. Like, you guys. You guys shut down a great quarterback and two outstanding wide receivers and said, okay, if we're going to die by a sword, it's going to be in the run game. You guys handled that. You're. You're back in. Your defense is awesome. Your offensive line, who has been hurt, beaten up, bruised, and. And, yeah, taking care of a couple of games, stood up the way we didn't expect them to. Emmet Johnson did exactly what he was supposed to do. Dylan Raiola stays healthy in this game. We're talking about a Nebraska win going to ucla, who had a lot of firepower a few weeks ago. Now it's kind of like, got a little more quiet. You know, you go there, it's a revenge game, and then you have Penn State. Dude, you guys were absolutely a playoff team this year. It just sucks the way it worked out.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Bus]

It's like. It's like saying that first half was.

[Taylor]

Going on and I was like, hey, we're taking care of the rest of this schedule.

[Bus]

Yes, yes.

[Taylor]

And then once a zero Struck. It's kind of. There's, you know, it's going to be very interesting to see how this team shows up the rest of the year. Like how any team shows up the rest of the year once they do get their third loss or fourth loss where they're. They're fully out of it.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Just because bowl games, like, it's going to be awesome to go to a boat, but the bowl games aren't what the bowl games used to be whatsoever. It's like it's playoffs or busts for a lot of these teams who are sitting there with a couple losses. So it'll be interesting to see. I'm very excited to see TJ Lateef play. You know, he came in a very like that coming into a game like that. Brutal for any true freshman. But I'm excited. Like when he. When we played the Nobodies at the beginning of the year and he was playing in the second half, like, he looked sharp. I'm excited to see a full game plan around him. Dude, there was one play that I dropped in that group chat that we had for the stream, bro. Or when he fumbled the snap. And I'm just like, you know what, freshman? Like that. Those plays are going to happen. But when I saw that play, like, on Twitter, the next day, USC was in Cover 0, sending the house and we had a middle screen that was going to be wide open. Wide open.

[Bus]

He might be spicy. Like, bro, he's got that.

[Taylor]

He's fast. He brings a dynamic that Dylan didn't have as far as with his legs.

[Bus]

If they can run some RPO with him and Emmett Johnson and make people play on the line, he can also throw it. They might. I don't know.

[Taylor]

Big opportunity for him.

[Bus]

Three is alive. Oh, yeah. Nine and three is alive with the Huskers for sure.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Nine. Nine and three is life to me. It's just the mentality, like, hell on everybody now.

[Bus]

Yeah. Y.

[Taylor]

The mentality of the team showing up. Like, it'll be interesting to see how the team shows up the rest of the year knowing that 9 and 3 is very much alive. It doesn't matter if you don't have Dylan, because Latif, he, like, he's got his own game. I'm sure he's excited to play. I feel like everybody around him will elevate their game a little bit.

[Bus]

You guys play Indiana?

[Taylor]

No, we have ucla, Penn State and Iowa.

[Bus]

At Penn State. But then I was in Lincoln.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bus]

Okay.

[Taylor]

All three, I think, will be tough. Yeah, all three. I Think. I think UCLA will be tough because you just have a very draining, emotional game where it did. It felt like everything was poured into that game and the boys showed up for a fist fight.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

To where? Now you got to travel out to ucla, get up for that game, stay up for that game. Then you'll have a bye week. Then you play at Penn State, which. Their roster still. Their roster, like, they're still going to have cats. And then I was.

[Bus]

They had a really competitive first half against Ohio State. Like, they looked. They looked good.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bus]

But the same thing took, like, at. In the second half when Ohio State continued to punch him in the mouth. It's like these guys and it's so hard for those players to continue to stand up week in and week out after so many dominoes have fell in the direction of negativity. They just eventually are like, yeah, we're not winning this game. You kind of see it fold away. That's how you beat Penn State. At Penn State, you hit them in the mouth over and over again. You break their will. And it's like, you can. You can do that with that team. UCLA is a revenge game. You said Lateef, he's coming back home. He's from Compton. And a quarterback that uses his legs, that's coming in for a quarterback that really didn't use his legs, having a week of preparation to get the rpo. The options, like, there's even a couple moments in that game against UCLA that they're not. They're not going to know what to expect from you.

[Taylor]

Right, right. There are even a couple moments in that game to where he made something like, you know, he get the first down just by running, like, knowing it's kind of a broken play and just quick enough to get past the first down marker. It was tough, though. Oh, God, it was. I wanted that one so badly. So badly, man. And then for Emmett Johnson, unfortunately, trip on that 4th and 1, my heart broke for the young man because, you know, he just. He put that. He was in that moment, you know, he was putting that all on him. Yeah, I hated to see that. I hated to see that for him because he is an absolute dog, bro. He is good. Like, people are talking. He could potentially work his way into All American this year. He's a hell of a player, but brutal loss. Came home, walked in lights. Everything was off. Charles in bed, reading a book. And I just walk in my room, face still painted, quietly shut the door. And she just. She looks up, she says, I'm sorry, babe. And I'm like, me too. I'm gonna go wash my face paint on.

[Bus]

Dude, that.

[Taylor]

Oh, one day, sweetheart. I told her, I said, hey, babe, one day this pain will all be worth it. One day this pain will all be worth.

[Bus]

Just looking at her book, rereading the same line over and over again.

[Taylor]

Because we are. We are. Like, it's coming. One thing I did have, one thing that I thought sucked, that I will say, you gotta go for it. On 4th and 1. When you're in enemy territory, you gotta go. We tried for a 52 yard field goal and missed it. But in that situation, I'm thinking, dude, just go for it.

[Bus]

What part of the game was this?

[Taylor]

Four.

[Bus]

Third.

[Taylor]

Fourth quarter. Lateef was in.

[Bus]

Okay. Lateef was in.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah.

[Bus]

Latif, what was the score of the game at that time? USC up or down?

[Taylor]

Such a blur. It's all such a blur, I want to say. Because they won that game. What, 21, 17. I want to say at that point, it might have been 17 to 14. Yeah, 17 to 14.

[Bus]

You understand the logic, right? Tied up well. Defense is playing well versus, you know, an offense that puts up 40 plus points a game.

[Taylor]

Yeah, fourth and one, fourth and two. You're in enemy territory. You're staring at a 52 yard field goal. We burned two timeouts that series, so that killed us. So then you call timeout and then go for the field goal. I'm just like, you gotta go for it.

[Bus]

Yeah. Which is interesting to hear you say, because you're always a guy that I can. You're always like, hey, take the points. Take your. Take the points.

[Taylor]

But again, it was 52 yards.

[Bus]

True. Fair enough. Fourth and one.

[Taylor]

We. We weren't in, like, the red zone. And early in the game where it's like, get your points. Get your points.

[Bus]

Yeah, me.

[Taylor]

It's like you have the backup quarterback and you've been kind of inconsistent, shaky, with moving the ball offensively throughout that point. You're now in enemy territory. It's 4th and 1 or 4th and 2. Like, cook something up. Yeah, cook something up and keep the drive alive.

[Bus]

I can't. The thing that bothers me the most about everything you just said was the fact that as soon as the game struck zero, as soon as it was over, that there's a level of negativity that comes out because I was watching that game. But then once I saw how, like, Michigan was playing as Purdue, my panic mode kind of set, and I was like, oh, we got going over here. And so I. I kind of like, wasn't as into the game as I probably should have been. But, like, everything that I saw was a defense that played up to the level against an offense that is number one or top three in the entire country, an offense that was moving the ball between the 20s. It seemed, like, at ease, at points, doing the exact game plan that we talked about that'll make you successful. And so it's like, yeah, you guys should have absolutely won that game. Raiola stays. Health. You win that game.

[Taylor]

Who's the. Who's the corner? Is it Marshall that I was shouting out the cornerback blitz when he picked it off? Just go to my office. Go to that. But, dude, here's another thing I love to see. And I can't shout out the secondary enough for showing up that game because that's. That's a. That's an offensive skill positions where I'd see Marshals Andrew Marshall, where it feels like all those boys will be playing on Sunday.

[Bus]

A lot of Marshalls out there or Marshalls Andrew Marshall.

[Taylor]

So we. We were sending a couple cornerback blitzes, and the queue was doing a great job. Like, USC is very tough in that RPO scheme. And the minute the corner. Corner would take off, it's like he's. He's faking the handoff and then going right out to the receiver. 1. He baited him. Marshall baited him. Like, he was going. He went, like, a few yards, like, once the ball snapped and then sunk back, picked it off. And, bro, I was just.

[Bus]

Good ball.

[Taylor]

It was great, man.

[Bus]

Damn.

[Greg Olson]

They're also from California.

[Taylor]

Do what?

[Jack]

He's from California.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, I know. We have, I think, Right, Right. Transferred from usc, but I feel like the skill positions across the board, too, offensively, just. They were, like, bringing the fight to usc, which was juicing me up, especially in that blackout environment.

[Bus]

Yeah. Blackout needs to happen more. That looks so awesome. They do the drones. They do the drone. The whole thing.

[Taylor]

I. This is when we said we needed everybody. They. We threw the kitchen sink at this game, bro. We threw the kitchen sink at this game, but, you know, gotta beat ucla.

[Bus]

Gotta beat.

[Taylor]

Gotta beat ucla.

[Bus]

We need everybody.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Gotta get up for this game. Have to get up. There's no time to bleed. There's no time to bleed.

[Bus]

Right. And the bowl game, too. It's like, I know you said, like, hey, bowl games are still exciting. Like, you guys have to check the box of bowl game. And I know this season's not what you want it to be, but it's like, you go nine and three the conversation all off season is like, raiola stays healthy. We're a playoff football team. Not only are we playful, we. Who knows how far we go? We're a game away. And so that is.

[Taylor]

My question is more of, like, I'll be curious what it seems like with the mentality of these teams when they are out of the College Football Playoff. Yeah. Not like they're going to quit.

[Bus]

You're going to find out the culture.

[Taylor]

Of your team if they can keep inspired football. Right. Continue to play inspired football.

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[Bus]

I was just gonna ask how the Michigan game went, because we didn't really watch a ton of it. Yeah, dude, I know. We. But I don't want to cut you.

[Taylor]

Off because we had. It's like we had the Nebraska game on. I want to say we had the World Series game on, and then we had Tennessee, Oklahoma, and we're kind of keeping up with the Purdue Michigan game. And it seemed, like, close the entire.

[Bus]

Yeah, it was close. Like, the game. So the game for us was never, like. It never felt like Purdue was going to, like, take the lead. And I thought that Michigan did a good job of, hey, coming out, you're playing. It's a secondary that's not very good. Let's get some more reps under Bryce's belt of, like, more complex passing schemes, throwing the ball a little bit more. And it was definitely a game where you sit there and you go, oh, yeah, he's a freshman. And the thing that upsets me is, like, we're now in week nine, and he's having these kind of worth. We're thrust him into, hey, we need this quarterback to develop from a passing standpoint. But we waited till week nine to really start having him throw the ball a lot. And I think our receiving core did a great job of getting open. They. I thought the offensive scheme was really good for this game as far as play calling goes. But Bryce, unfortunately was just missing throws. He had one to Macaulay number one, who he just. He just missed. He beat his receiver. He had separation on that. There was a broken play. He rolled out to the right. There was Marsh in the back of the end zone. No one was around him. He decides to check it down, gets picked off. We get into the red zone. He goes to run the ball, scramble to get a first down. It's like, all right, this kid, he's using his legs. He's realizing he's taking the next step, realizing, okay, I need to get out of the. Get out of the pocket and move forward. Ball gets hit out, gets hit as he's falling to the ground, goes into the back of the end zone. Touchback for Purdue. So it was just one of those games you look at, it's like you never make an excuse for winning. Like, hey, we won the game. That's exciting. Our hopes and dreams are still alive of making the playoffs. But you're just like, we piece of me is like, man, I wish we would have threw him in the fire a little bit more against these New Mexico's against these smaller schools to where we get into these back half of these games where we're going if we were going to play Ohio State competitively. Because Ohio State, I watched the entire Penn State, Ohio State game like there is complete of a team as there are, there is in college football.

[Taylor]

And I know we got aliens and.

[Bus]

The aliens, bro, after the ball is tipped. Is that what you're talking about?

[Taylor]

Who's the other guy?

[Bus]

Yeah, you got Jeremiah Smith, Cardinal Tate, bro. And they did, they did a thing on him before the game started about his mom getting shot in Chicago. And every time he gets a first down or touchdown, he like kisses and puts this guy for his mom and how his mom was so supportive in his life. Then the kid continues to go off versus Penn State. Like they have got a wrecking crew out there. And that saying kid I tweeted out, I don't know if this kid's electric or he just has aliens around him, but he throws it, bro. He throws a beautiful football. So I'm watching all this and it's like we won last year because Ryan Day's ego decided to be like we're going to play the same game as Michigan and they got punched in the mouth like that. They tried to run the ball against us and we just continue to keep it close that way. I don't, I don't see Ryan Day making that same mistake again. And we're going to need some sort of passing threat enabled to like, you know, continues to like 5 game win streak. So I just, I'm not going to apologize for winning. I think our defense is elite, especially when that Jayon Barstrom kid, he's number one. He got hurt first series of the game. It's like an upper body injury. McCully comes out with an injury. All of our Titans were on our third string tight end. Our, we're on our like third and fourth string linebackers except for that Ernest, the kid that transferred from Nebraska who's a dog. And so, you know, it's the bye Week's coming out at the right time, but we gotta just. There's got to be another development of Bryce if we're gonna go and, you know, compete for a playoff. A playoff spot. So who's left on the schedule? We got Northwestern in at Wrigley Field. We've got Maryland and then Ohio State at Maryland. Maryland just fired their head coach.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Crazy.

[Bus]

Crazy. But the game, the game itself, like Jordan Marshall, like, like Justice Haynes, he. He didn't play in the game. He ended up getting surgery. He's getting surgery. Who knows if he's gonna be there for the hosta game or not. Marshall runs for 185. He has like 180, maybe 165. 185 all purpose yards. Like our run games come alive and stayed consistent. There's been. There was a couple throws ago. Okay, yeah, there it is. But just some Mr. Reads here and there that are just above me when it comes to quarterback development. But you just want to see that next step taken. These next two games going into. Because both these games are very, very winnable. It's just about can we show the development on the offensive side of the ball so we're not so one dimensional because I think we have a championship caliber defense. Our demons. Is that good. It's just about getting this kid to.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

You know, be who we think he is. And I think he is him. It was just, it was tough to watch this game and not walk away being like, damn, there's a couple throws here or there. He's just a freshman man. So we'll see.

[Taylor]

Yeah. If you guys can get to Ohio State as a two loss team like that, it's like the crop of Michigan, Ohio State, but Indiana, Oregon, usc.

[Bus]

Yeah. And Washington. Washington's right now. Correct.

[Greg Olson]

I think they're 24.

[Bus]

Yeah. They're ranked. Washington has to play Oregon still. And Washington always kind of does well against Oregon. There's a lot right now.

[Greg Olson]

Indiana.

[Taylor]

No, no, no. Oregon's already played Indiana. Yeah, but they still got to play Washington. They still got to play usc. Like it'll be. It'll be fun. It'll be fun.

[Bus]

This feels like. This feels like it's gonna be Ohio State and Indiana in the Big Ten championship and then I don't know who wins that game. I think Ohio State wins that game.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I think Ohio State wins the game.

[Bus]

Ohio State, dude. Their defense, I think they've. The first eight games they've held every team under 17 points is just so impressive.

[Taylor]

Yeah, their defense Is for real.

[Bus]

They are. They are absolutely for real.

[Taylor]

Matt Patricia in incredible higher in the off season when Nose left to go.

[Bus]

To Penn State, which is crazy.

[Taylor]

And then you got the SEC now. SEC shaking a little or rattling the tree a little bit. Texas handling, Vandy handling.

[Bus]

And then Vandy having a spark of life coming back again. Yeah, but it seemed like a little referee love, huh?

[Taylor]

And dude, the on the two point was crazy. So nuts, man.

[Greg Olson]

Dude.

[Bus]

And hey, the onside kick, bro, they literally almost had it.

[Greg Olson]

That would have been. Been so sick.

[Bus]

I know.

[Taylor]

Hands on the ball. They. Yeah, if they would have came back.

[Bus]

That game, bro, it's nuts because Arch Manning, it's. It's like as much as things change, they stay the same. Like Texas is very much in it and can be a team like in the playoffs game this way all year, bro. And one thing, one thing, he's holding.

[Taylor]

On, but also the offense kind of coming along. Like, Arch Manning had like close to around what, 700 yards and like six touchdowns in the last two games. Yeah.

[Bus]

And I mean, like Vandy, everyone says Vandy is not built to come back. And obviously they didn't come back enough to win this game. But they made it interesting at the end because they were getting blown out earlier. To where you see a lot of Twitter, everyone's like, well, this game's over. Vanny's not built to come back. And Diego Pavia, man, something happened. Something's going on with the back end of that Texas defense because they just allowed things to happen. It'll be interesting. It'll be interesting. Everyone's kind of fighting for the life in the sec. The acc did you.

[Taylor]

Hey, but also before we get off the sec, I get having integrity and having some respect, but if you're up four, dude, and this cover and the spread is seven and a half and you just. You're on the one yard line. Georgia Bulldogs, I need you to score.

[Bus]

Yeah, yes, absolutely.

[Taylor]

If you're outside the five yard line, I get it.

[Bus]

Take a knee.

[Greg Olson]

Take.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I get taken. But you on the 1 yard line.

[Bus]

Score, score, take a knee and then score the next play. Right, Right.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I don't care.

[Bus]

But you got to score. And do you have Florida? I mean, they, they played. They played a good game there. Georgia is just one of those teams that no one, everyone refuses to look at. Everyone's like, Georgia's just over there. Ignore them. Ignore him. And they just continue to win games.

[Taylor]

They have all these like close games, like, but they just, they just win. Yeah, I feel like, they should have beat up on Florida a little bit more than what they did.

[Greg Olson]

Florida's got. I mean, the, the question isn't. Has never been Florida's roster. Like, they have a very. Like, they're a really good team. It's just they can't for whatever reason put it together.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, but it's like, take off that uniform and you put on like the Penn State uniform. Nobody talks about Penn State. Like, that way we might acknowledge that they still have a roster, but nobody's sitting there being like, hey, Penn State is still tough. They just haven't put it together and people just continue to stomp on them down there.

[Bus]

When you get beat by ucla, it's kind of hard to defend Penn State.

[Taylor]

Yeah. But I mean, Florida, Florida, they got beat by Georgia.

[Jack]

They got beat by.

[Bus]

Did. Have they played Ole Miss?

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[Jack]

Like, they've gotten beat by highly ranked teams.

[Taylor]

I mean, USF is not that. At the time they were ucla. At the time when they beat Penn State, they were like undefeated. Well, since they made their coaching challenge, I think that.

[Bus]

I think that was the first thing they went on.

[Taylor]

A three game.

[Bus]

That was the first game still undefeated with a new coach.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

What do we think about Florida? They.

[Taylor]

They. I mean, LSU, that's a fraudulent LSU team. When they lost to them 20 to 10, they only scored 10 points.

[Matt Malone]

Yeah.

[Bus]

Listen, the SEC is wild right now.

[Taylor]

This is where those conversations start to come in of the. When it starts like. And once it gets into the off season, the Big Ten sec, I do think the SEC is deeper, but when we're. We're getting to a point where it's like, hey, Florida's still a great football team. It's like, no, they're not.

[Bus]

The SEC being deeper in Auburn, LSU and Florida fired their head coaches.

[Taylor]

I know, bro. All these jobs that are open now. Hey, Jack, what's the deal with Hypo coming up?

[Jack]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Bus]

People say, yeah, people having the conversation about Hypo not being the guy. That's insane to me.

[Greg Olson]

That's just.

[Matt Malone]

That's just classic Tennessee Twitter rhetoric. Just. Just fans that are frustrated and upset after. I mean, that could go down as one of his worst losses as his tenure. Obviously he went to Oklahoma. That was a big prove. A game in Neyland night mode. Supposed to shut down Matier. He's running everywhere.

[Taylor]

Everywhere.

[Matt Malone]

The run game around every corner. We can. So many. Just small mistakes. They were giving them opportunities to score. We could have gone up 14,0 real quick in the first quarter, have that fumble. Their guy tears a hammy, still puts 80 yards on the field, gets to the end zone. Max Gilbert misses a huge kick for us. Their kicker was on fire.

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It.

[Bus]

It's.

[Matt Malone]

It's brutal. Yeah. To have a away team come in.

[Bus]

I'm pretty sure.

[Matt Malone]

What was the stat? I think it was Oklahoma's first away SEC win in sec. And since they've joined the sec, which you don't want to be the first team.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Matt Malone]

Give up that loss.

[Taylor]

And the first time that they scored over a certain amount of points.

[Matt Malone]

Yeah, I think it was 17.

[Bus]

Yeah. Brutal.

[Taylor]

Brutal.

[Matt Malone]

And it, like, it felt like we were in it the whole time until it just. We weren't. I mean, I don't even want to talk about Matt Malone and what he did at the stream. So Chef, obviously, Chef being the psycho that he is, Chef was like, I'm gonna listen to the rest of the game on the radio. I think there was maybe two and a half minutes left.

[Taylor]

Well, also remember Tennessee scoring. Chef was out of the stream room. So everybody's like, you have?

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Matt Malone]

But essentially, Matt Malone has the remote and decides to turn off the Tennessee game when there's probably a minute and 48 seconds left. Yeah, I'm. I'm trying to be nice with that, and I'm like, I'm frustrated. I'm on my phone, I'm diving through Twitter, seeing what the. What's going on. And then I look up because Nebraska's has ended and the World Series is going on. They've put it on the main tv, and I'm like, where. Where the. Is the Tennessee game? And Matt goes, I turned that off, man. We're done. And I go. I'm like, driving.

[Taylor]

Jack's like, it's not over. And I pulled out. I pulled out my phone. I'm like, yeah, they just kicked a field goal. They're down six with over a minute left.

[Matt Malone]

I, like. Matt Malone, in the last few weeks, has been inching forwards to being like a bonafide Tennessee fan again. And in that one moment, he stripped.

[Bus]

Everything, killed the entire foundation. And it.

[Matt Malone]

Honestly, it. It could be a thing where I won't ever take his fandom seriously for the remainder of life. It will take a lot. I gotta see what he's built for, especially in these last three games that we have. I don't know. It was brutal. The atmosphere, you know, And Neyland looked all time, just like you were saying about Nebraska. I thought the stream was so much fun. All the boys there, two blackout Teams just getting their dick kicked in.

[Taylor]

Just in the foxhole together.

[Matt Malone]

Yeah. And you know, the. The hopes of a. A playoff berth are now over and, you know, the only thing I can look forward to is that the Titans and the Vols are both on the bye week this week.

[Bus]

So big week for Jeff.

[Matt Malone]

Thank God I will be out of the state. So.

[Taylor]

Yeah, the energy was good. The energy was fun. All stream.

[Matt Malone]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Because Nebraska started first and. Oh, my God, bro.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Three and out. JP start off three and out. And then a 14 play drive. Touchdown. And we're just juiced, bro. Take the fight to him.

[Bus]

Oh, I saw the shies on Twitter.

[Taylor]

And I had to get the ski ma. Yeah. Garrett ends up coming in. He's got it pulled down.

[Matt Malone]

Even Scarlet made it on stream for a minute. She was being awesome. Just. We're screaming and she's just asleep. Just.

[Bus]

Dog. Sound like it was a lot of fun. I was in hell. It wasn't. I was in hell Saturday.

[Taylor]

The foot. Yeah, bro.

[Bus]

People. People are impressed by Dylan Rayola walking off the field, throwing. Throwing wristbands. People didn't see me Friday night with my kids, full gout, walking around. And I'm in so much pain after that, dude, it was all it was. I was in pain. Walking down on the way back, it was like inches. I could barely walk. I literally thought about crawling at some point. And we get to Saturday. I wake up in the morning, go to take my piss. I put my foot on the ground, dude. And I might even my heel. Like, my foot is so swollen, I had to get crutches from downstairs. And I was crutching around the house, elevated foot all day long. Looking at the stream around 6:00'. Clock. Like, kind of jealous. Like, man, I kind of want to go to that. But I couldn't move. I could not move. It was so horrendous.

[Greg Olson]

What does it feel like? What does it feel like? I've never.

[Bus]

Dude. So gout is. It's like a uric acid buildup in your bloodstream. And so when you have like sugar, red meat, something else, like, there's a uric acid buildup and it all goes down to, like, your lower extremities. You have it in your hands or in your feet and it crystallizes in your joints. So, like there's like little sharp crystals in your foot that are like scraping, like, essentially irritating the joint. It feels like, like needles and it. Dude, it was the worst pain ever. I had Nathan, my lawyer, was in town with all his kids Saturday. I'm like, you guys have fun, man. Like, I'm like, in the man cave. Foot elevated. Anytime I moved or anything, one kid came by and, like, accidentally hit my foot. Almost cried like, it was. Bro, I was in hell. I was in hell all weekend. Like, Bailey was able to walk today. You know, it's all that. The King's disease. King's disease. I know.

[Matt Malone]

Wine.

[Bus]

All the good stuff will get it. Dude, we were 20, 22 or. Yeah, we were playing the Jacksonville Jaguars and I, like, Wednesday night, we went. Had like, o line dinner. Thursday, wake up, I'm in so much pain. And I'm like, hey, I think I have turf toy. I jammed my toe. And the. The trainer's like, hey, we think this is gal. I get tested, the uric acid isn't that high, but that's when variable comes up. He goes, got the King's disease, huh? And that's what I first learned about King's disease. But, dude, thinking about you hobbling around dressed as Dobby, bro, I was hurting so bad.

[Taylor]

I couldn't tell at the time.

[Bus]

I thank you.

[Taylor]

We'll. We'll cover it on. We'll cover it on.

[Bus]

Yeah, we need to talk about football right now, buddy. I'm telling you, I was in true hell. True hell all weekend.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

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[Taylor]

Greg loves the kids.

[Bus]

How are we feeling, dude?

[Greg Olson]

Doing good, man. Doing good. How are you guys?

[Bus]

Living the dream. One day at a time. I don't know if you heard about my gout spell, but it's been a tough week.

[Greg Olson]

I just heard you talking about it right now. How'd you get gout, dude?

[Bus]

I have no idea. I truly have no idea. But I got for the first time in 22, have had like three or four episodes. But this one started Thursday morning when we were in New York.

[Taylor]

We were flying back. You're starting to feel it a little.

[Bus]

Yeah, like as like the show's going on. On get up.

[Greg Olson]

I'm like, are you good now?

[Bus]

I'm all right now. Like, I. I'm doubtful for any game, but like, I can't push off my foot, but I can walk around. I was on crutches yesterday and the day before. That's how bad it was. So I'm a survivor, Greg.

[Greg Olson]

Well, I mean, I have a feeling if it was game day, you'd figure it out.

[Bus]

Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

I've never seen a guy on the injury report gout.

[Bus]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

I feel like you just can't. You just have to just refuse to let that even be real.

[Bus]

I will say, when I did have gout in 2022, we played Jacksonville. I end up playing that ENT game. Didn't miss a snap.

[Greg Olson]

Of course, that's because that's what we do.

[Bus]

That's what we do. We play, baby.

[Taylor]

Hey, Greg, I don't know if you know it, but your squad, your team over there at you think sent me a North County Raider. Some North County Raider merchandise was my high school.

[Greg Olson]

Why aren't you wearing it?

[Taylor]

I. I don't know. That's a great question. Now, I saw you pop on.

[Greg Olson]

How'd you like it?

[Taylor]

I love it. I loved it. I absolutely like, hey, Greg. Greg and his team, they sent you this. Opened it up. I saw the blue and gold NC Raiders, and it just juice me up.

[Greg Olson]

Man, to bring back a lot of good memories.

[Taylor]

Oh, yeah.

[Greg Olson]

80S rock in the locker room before and after the game. Just getting after it.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Oh, yeah.

[Taylor]

And then the who's nuts? Like, before kickoff, our. Our stands, the bleachers, they just be stomping and be like, who's nuts? Who's nuts? Who's nuts? As the ball's getting kicked off and you go and, you know, obviously you're trying to deliver the biggest hit of your life and to earn the Hitman shirt for the next week. So. A lot of memories.

[Bus]

A lot of memories. Yeah. Club pulled up on me. He handed me a box. He goes, hey, this was sent to you, and it was a Chaparral 77 from your company as well. Like nostalgia out the gate, man.

[Greg Olson]

It's telling me it's awesome to be able to get. To be able to get cool gear for your school, your travel ball premium.

[Bus]

It's.

[Greg Olson]

I'm telling you, man, it's the only place. People think we're crazy. People think we just make sideline videos yelling at kids, but there's a bigger. A bigger play in all this that I think is super cool.

[Taylor]

Yeah, you got the. Deion Sanders. We coming now.

[Bus]

Before we get into football, I noticed you had a little sunburn going on. Were you out? Where were you this weekend?

[Taylor]

No, you know what?

[Greg Olson]

I don't know why. Here. Here's my only two thoughts. You ready? Because it's funny. I just. I. I logged on, and I was like, God, my face looks red. Two possible scenarios. A little bit of a reflection. Yesterday, it was a windy. It was overcast, but you know how you get like a windy? It was. It's an open booth in Green Bay. Very windy, heavy cloud cover. So not sunburn, but maybe, like, wind in my face, hair all over the place. Maybe a little wind. I also went. Went to the club this morning, did a little, like, executive workout. Did a little. Little sauna, little shower, you know, just a little, like, freshen up on a Monday. So maybe it's just a. Just kind of the residuals of just getting the body temperature up. I'm not exactly sure why my face is red, bro.

[Taylor]

What is. What's happening in Green Bay? You called that game yesterday. Tough loss to the Panthers. You even had a. You even had something up top where they're talking about the coin flip, where they're kicking the ball, how it could end, where they could be utilizing the win in the end for A game winning kick, it comes back around. I see you going back and forth with somebody on Twitter just being like, I was like you were on top of that strategy. And how much strategy does people just.

[Greg Olson]

Listen to the broadcast? They'd learn a lot.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I agree. But talk to us about, talk to us about covering that game yesterday in Green Bay. Because I lost to the Panthers, man. Jesus.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I didn't see it coming. I'll be honest. You know, I, I, I go neutral when I call Panther games. You know, some Panther fans think I hate them. Some, the other team always thinks I'm a homer, which is fine. I try to just call it like it is. I thought coming off that home loss, they look bad against Buffalo. Banged up offensive line, they were getting Bryce back. I thought the best thing they did was get Rico back being, you know, Rico Dowdle. Instead of splitting carries with Chuba, they just went right back to Rico getting all the carries. I thought that was a great move by Canales needed to happen. And listen, the exact way the game needed to be played. If you're Carolina, muddy it up, take them into the mud, slow it down. Limited possessions, make them go the long way. I mean, all the things that we set up at the top of the broadcast. It's very funny that it works out exactly how Canales would dream it up, which is, you know, most teams get about 10, 10 or 11 possessions in a game. Green Bay had three in the first half, eight total. That's a win for them. They were over in the red zone. They settled for two field goals, they missed a field goal and they turned the ball over twice. Like that was the formula for only giving up 13 points if you were Carolina. I thought Green Bay tried to play the game Carolina's style, you know, Carolina wanted to run it a thousand times. I think they just threw for over a hundred yards, but that's what they wanted to do. And then I think Green Bay came in. Jordan loves playing as good a ball as anybody in the league. I think they're a better pass protecting group than they are a run blocking group up front. I think their run game's okay. They're not overly explosive, but their past game is. I don't know how much the wind, I don't know how much the weather kind of got to the floor and just didn't trust pushing the ball. But they had their best success in the quick game pass. And I think every time you ran the ball, every time you went first down run, you played exactly the way Carolina wanted that Game to be played. And when it all came down to it, Bryce took him down on a nice, you know, end of game, kind of minute third. It was just under the two minute warning and 49 yard field goal into the wind, which we said at the top of the broadcast, you know, why, why win the toss and take the ball if you're the Panthers? Well, twofold. A, you want to keep Green Bay's offense on the side. We just covered that. But B, by taking the ball, when you win the toss in the first half, you get your choice of direction to start the third quarter. And they chose to get the wind for that exact same situation. Kicking going the other way was a disaster. They missed an extra point, Green Bay missed a field goal and then obviously going the other way, which they ended the game was the way they wanted to kick. So great decision. First decision was a great one. And the game cooperated. If you're a Panther fan.

[Taylor]

Yes. Yesterday, Lions lose, Packers lose. Rams look incredible. Seattle looks incredible. Eagles on a bye week. You got a lot of these teams two and three losses before the weekend started. I would have, I'm sure all of us would have assumed it's like Lions, Lions look really good, packers look really good. Dark horses were kind of the NFC West. Who would you have coming out of the NFC today to go to the Super Bowl?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, 24 hours ago, Green Bay, you know, Green Bay, Detroit, Philly, you know, kind of the usual suspects there after yesterday. I think Seattle, I think Seattle's really good. I think Sam Darnold has carried over the Minnesota Sam Darnold or he won 14 and has picked up where he left off. Him and Kubiak, I think the way the offense has been built around him, big personnel, you know, it's a passing offense and people continue to say that it's a run offense, which is another one of my Twitter like, drives me insane when people just say things that aren't true. It irritates me. So, yes, I was shocked that. I'm a little shocked that Detroit lost. I'll be honest. I thought Minnesota was reeling a little bit. I thought Minnesota the first couple weeks was a lot better than they were the last few games. I know there was controversy about, you know, getting McCarthy back and, you know, went playing banged up and why they didn't just turn back to JJ earlier, but they really answered the bell, Minnesota, so you got to feel good for them. But yeah, I still think when the dust settles, Philadelphia, I still think it, you know, is the team until someone proves otherwise. I Think Detroit's in the mix. I still think Green Bay, when everything settles down, is going to be in the mix. I still think they're very good on both sides of the ball. Detroit, Seattle. We said San Francisco's kind of sneaky. You know, it's just so hard to think that they're going to continue to weather the guys that they're missing for long periods of time, yet all they do is figure out how to win. I think Shannon Shanahan's awesome. You, obviously. McCaffrey and Kittle. Those guys are incredible. Can they weather some of the defensive losses of Fred Warner? Can they make the playoffs? Yes. Can they win the Super Bowl? I guess anything's possible. I think it'd be tough, but, yeah, I think. I think for the first time in a long time, I think the NFC is actually a deeper conference right now than the afc.

[Taylor]

And you didn't even mention the Rams.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, right, right.

[Taylor]

But I'm saying, like, the Rams, like, that is how deep it is.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So separate. That's going to be San Francisco's challenge. The way it looks right now, they're going to have to get in as a wild card. As a. They're going to have to get three from the West.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

In. Because barring a huge fall, you know, disaster, it looks like, you know, Seattle and LA look like they're in the running to win it. And then San Francisco obviously try to sneak that second wild spot. Wild card spot. But, yeah, I mean, NFC west might be the best division in football. I mean, North. Yeah. I mean, I think the NFC for the first time in the last couple years is a deeper stable of teams that you could make an argument for competing.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

When the last couple years you kind of felt like it was. The AFC had more options to represent them in the super bowl between Baltimore, you know, Buffalo, Kansas City, of course. And then you had, like, how good are the Denver Broncos going to be? How good are the Chargers going to be? I kind of feel like the tide has shifted a little bit to the death of the nfc.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah. Tampa, dude.

[Greg Olson]

I think they played really well. Yeah, they've lost. It seems like they've lost every player.

[Bus]

On their team, and they just continue to. Baker Mayfield it out. Dude.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Bus]

They had to figure it out. Anyway, AFC is super interesting because obviously we had the Bills and the Chiefs game, which I'd love to get your thoughts on that. But the Ravens, they're. They make a. They're making a run that we kind of all expect them to do after their Bye week. Then you got the Broncos, who are 7 and 2, just beat the Houston Texans in a defensive battle. So one can be said for both sides is like there are, there's like five or six competitive teams on both sides. You go, yeah, I can, I can basically see any of these teams making it to the super bowl on, on either side. But were you able to watch that Bills Chiefs game at all?

[Greg Olson]

I wasn't. I was flying back. I followed some of the game cast and on the plane I saw some of the highlights from, from what I've kind of gathered, the score actually wasn't even really indicative of how the game. Oh yeah, I don't know if you guys would agree with that. That's kind of the gist that I'm getting from the follow up.

[Bus]

If there was, if there was a different team playing the Bills when you're watching that game, you would think it's over. The only thing that kept your like your heart in it was knowing that Patrick Mahomes is on the other side and truly anything can happen. They had a two minute at the end. I think they had like 45 seconds and then three plays. Dice them up, get all the way down the field.

[Taylor]

Either way, still a setup. Mahomes Allen Bills Chiefs rivalry game to where they're up seven and Mahomes has the ball with about six minutes left. Yeah. And then he ends up throwing a pick around the four minute mark in between four and five minutes. But it was, yeah, it was a juicy game there at the end, but it did, it felt like the Bills. The whole theme of this episode for me has been taking the fight to him. But it does feel like the Bills kind of took the fight to the Chiefs out in Bill's mafia land.

[Bus]

Right. Cause the, the Chiefs defense do such a great job against the Chiefs defense in general just are very, very good. But, but Bills what they do, they lined up under center, they ran the ball and every. Ran every run they had. They set up a playoff play action off of that run that was successful. So they had the Chiefs defense guess some rap leads.

[Taylor]

Some rap leads gashing them. Greg, you'd love it. You love that film, Jay.

[Bus]

Greg's not big in the run game.

[Greg Olson]

You heard the way he was talking.

[Bus]

Hates the run game. He thinks the numbers in the run game are ridiculous.

[Greg Olson]

Let's talk about the run game. I've been looking forward to getting on with you guys because we'll teased me last week. You know, not teased me but like teased that we were going to talk.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

About some of these bigger concepts. The run game is super valuable. I just hate hearing people talk up how the run game is what sets the tone and sets the stage for everything else that we do. The run game is a great way to win games once you have the lead. The run game. Now are you last year's playoff Philadelphia Eagles where you're running for 75 yard touchdowns. That's a different run game. Yeah, that is more like an explosive passing game where now you're starting to get into the elements of what makes the pass more effective than the run is to generate more yards per play, generate more explosive plays. That's why the pendulum supports passing the ball. Now if you can run the ball for 30 yards, 40 yard, 50 yard touchdowns, by all means you should run the ball on every single play of the game. So that's a key, that's a key point to make. But, but the biggest advantage of a run game is third and short, fourth and short, goal to go, end of game, run the clock out with the lead. That's where a really good run game can alter effectiveness. If you want to score points across the board consistently over an entire season. In the regular season, if you want to score points, the correlation between passing the ball and scoring points is non debatable.

[Taylor]

What do you got?

[Bus]

I hate it.

[Taylor]

I think, listen, I agree with you.

[Bus]

That obviously passing the ball is going to correlate to more points. However, if you're a team like the Buffalo Bills and you have Josh Allen who the last couple of weeks has been like a little iffy in his pass game, they haven't been consistent of marrying the run to the pass. To me as an offensive lineman, a guy that wants to see a lot of balance because I think balance plays a lot really well. Especially when you get into November and December when you run the football effectively and you have play action passes off of it, it is way better for longevity of scoring consistent consistently and I don't know, numbers, you're probably pulling something up. I'm just saying if you can win first down, right, by running the ball by four, four more yards. He starts looking over, he says he doesn't like shit, he's going to bring up numbers over my ass.

[Greg Olson]

No, I'm just. If you can do that, go ahead. I'll make.

[Bus]

If you can run, if you can run outside zone to the left, right, and you run that play effectively then if you're doing that now, all of a sudden you have linebackers flowing to the left side and you're pulling you're pulling the ball. You have a bootleg. There's so much more open on the right side of the ball. The right, the right side of the, the line of scrimmage. So I just think when you're able to run effectively, it opens up so much more in the past game which gets you down the field. And then if you run the ball effectively, then the third and short fourth and ones goal to goal to goes that is going to open itself up as well.

[Taylor]

There's like if, if you have, if you could run outside zone to the left and you have Taylor Lawan and Roger Saffold, you have Derek Henry in the backfield, Ryan. Ryan Tannell Under center and A.J. brown on the outside and you can successfully.

[Greg Olson]

I would run the ball there. Listen.

[Bus]

No, no, no, I'm not. Okay, you run the ball to the right, whatever. I'm just saying if you're able to run run plays that you can set up play action off of to get your shots, especially when you hit the middle of the field, you. That is a recipe for success. Especially when you're under center quarterback puts his back to the defense or the defense now has to second guess over and over again. If they're In a Cover 2, those linebackers are going to start cheating up a little bit. It leads a lot more holes in the middle of that defense. That's the kind of offense I love. As opposed to just pass first always.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, I'm not saying I, I don't listen. You're not going to find a bigger supporter of under center heavy personnel. 12, 13 under center play action, turn your back to the defense pass game than me. I think. And again, we're not talking about Washington, but I think what Washington and I hate seeing Jaden Daniels get hurt, but that was an awful scene. But just because we watched them play last night, playing in the shotgun pass, it doesn't work. It is virtually an impossible strategy. You're seeing Jalen Hurts now get more under center. You're seeing Josh Allen get more under center. You're seeing Patrick Mahomes. Guys that have played almost exclusively from the gun for the bulk of their careers are now getting under center, turning their back. Because we all know play action is the most efficient and effective pass play, especially on first and second down. I'm not disputing any of that. But let's take Seattle last night, okay? They are playing in 12 and 13. They run the fewest, fewest amount of 11 personnel. So they have three receivers on the field and one of the lowest if not the lowest rate in the entire league. Okay. So the assumption is that, okay, people are so scared of their run game, they're playing heavy boxes, which they are. They're playing big base people. Which makes sense when you bring out two, three tight ends. And what does Seattle do to you? They throw the ball. He's 14 for 14 for 14, 15 for 15, whatever he is for 280 and four touchdowns at halftime. Do you know how many yards per carry for the season the Seattle Seahawks average on the ground?

[Bus]

Tell me.

[Greg Olson]

5, 3.8 yards a carry.

[Bus]

It's not great.

[Greg Olson]

So I ask why. Now Listen, I'm. My point is what they're doing is exactly. If I was a coordinator, what I would do. The question I have has nothing to do with Seattle. I give them all the credit in the world. My question is why do these defensive coordinators and why do these media types and why do these people at the podium continue to get up there and beat the table about how important it is to stop the run? Why would you walk into a stadium when Sam Darnold has the second most efficient passing game in the league? Why would you walk into the stadium and say, you know what we need to do? We need to stop the 25th ranked run game in football. We need to make sure they don't get out on us. And instead you let Sam Darnold throw for 250 plus and four touchdowns at halftime time. It doesn't make sense if at the end of the game you run the ball 25 times for 160 yards unless 150 of them were in the second half because you're up by two scores. You probably lost.

[Bus]

That's fair. That, that, that's a fair point.

[Greg Olson]

It just, it doesn't what people are saying and the talking points that get just spewed over and over and over. It's just not true. No matter how often people say it, it's not true. Now Buffalo, they ran for 240 on the Panthers last week or you know, two weeks ago. And Josh Allen didn't have to throw the ball. Yeah. Because they averaged. He had 17 carries for 215 yards. Of course you should keep handing the ball to James Cook, but that's not being an efficient run game at three and a half, four yards of carry and people are going, oh my God, we can't let him go down our throat. Do you think that either team yesterday in the Green Bay, Carolina game cared how much both teams wanted to run the ball at each other? And the final score was 16, 13.

[Bus]

Yeah, yeah, no, that's fair.

[Greg Olson]

You just can't score any points unless you're going to score 50 yard rushing touchdowns. If you do, hand it to Saquon every play and I'll be the biggest cheerleader out there. But that's not the reality of the league. Like most teams don't have Derrick Henry and Saquon and guys that are going to take 50 yard touchdowns week in and week out. It's just not the way the league works. And that's just the Nate, that's just the way the modern game is being played. This last thing, I'll say rushing attempts are not up across the league because offenses have come to the realization that, you know, it's in my best interest to score more points, I should run the ball more. It's because defensive coordinators, by and large, especially the really good teams are saying, you know what, I'm going to play too high shell. I'm going to play nickel to base. I'm going to play light boxes, run at me 40 times. Great. You're going to have less possessions. I'm going to fight my ass off to get a turnover or two and a kick a field goal or two in the red zone. And at the end of the game you might score 20 points. And if I have a halfway decent offense, I'm going to score more than 20 and we're going to win.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I love this conversation. I feel like I'm, I'm honestly, I feel like I'm learning a lot listening to you two go back and forth about the run game. The one that, the conversation I was wanting to bring up last week that I said we could talk about this week is just kind of how teams are getting back to that 12, 13 personnel look. Just the way the tight end has developed over the last decade. I feel like, because again, you said it. The, the top, these top tier quarterbacks, they've spent most of their career in gun and now you see teams getting back to under center and I'm just, I'm wanting to know your thoughts because I was kind of feeling it when I was a backer who would play mostly in base personnel when I was in a backup role or even as a starter and you go to third down and I might come off the field or if you had a team that would, that would be in 12 personnel, but it's because they're doing more predominant 11 looks. So you're like, hey, we're going to play nickel to this. So you're kind of deciding as a coordinator do you want to run, do we want to put a nickel package in there against base. And now it's to me you almost, you're at times you could make a mistake putting in nickel bodies in base packages because against these teams like Seattle who can have 12, 13 personnel and give you traditional 12 and 13 personnel looks, then you can kind of look to hey, we might be running the ball more this game because they are staying in nickel packages. I think it's fascinating how it's developed again back to getting, I'll say getting under after listening to your guys conversation. I would beforehand I would have said getting back to run game type personnel but getting to more under center personnel because there was a shift over the last decade of hey, we need to put our smaller bodies because even though they're in 12 personnel, they're. They're predominantly lining up in 11 looks. I know that makes sense to you, but for people out there listening or watching this 11 personnel is wearing. You're having three receiver looks. Teams would take 12 personnel. So two tight ends, one running back and they would make a tight end, be more of a receiving tight end and flank him out or, or cut him away from the line of scrimmage to where now it's. You're having to make a decision to are we going to be in more base packages versus these 1213 personnel looks. And I'm just kind of curious of what you've seen over the last decade of this shift coming back to under center run game and how again it's like coordinators are, it's like, are we going to stop the run? You're a little bit more vanilla when you're in base packages because you've spent most of the last decade or so, 15 years building out a lot more complex nickel dime packages to where it's like, hey, now we're going to make the call. Are we going to play base to this 1213 personnel team? Because a lot of these 1213 personnel teams like Seattle is having a lot of success just being under center now and looking more old school.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So. And I can give you again when it first kind of dawned on me, but everything you're saying is where the conversation needs to start going towards because what you're saying is 100% what's happening. The 2022 season, that playoffs we called the super bowl, we had Detroit and San Francisco in one of the playoff games. I don't remember maybe the divisional round or I can't remember exactly what round of the Playoffs. It was. It was. And the conversation back then was San Francisco was so good in 21 personnel. Okay, so they had two receivers. They had McCaffrey, Kittle and Jus. Check. And they could be in 11 tight plays because of the flexibility of McCaffrey and use check and Kittle, they could be in 12 types. So two tight end type stuff because of us, Check and Kittle. And it was putting a lot of pressure on defenses. And one of the big issues that the Lions were having that year was matching those base personnel looks. And we said at the top of that broadcast, this was three years ago, that Aaron Glenn at the time was the coordinator, that if, if I was running the Detroit Lions defense, that they should not worry about personnel at all and they should only play down in distance on 1st and 10. The tendencies of the Shanahan office was under center play, action pass. So play under center play, action, pass. If they hand the ball off and get seven yards, so be it. And just go through down and distance tendencies and play your personnel, whether it's four or five man fronts, whether it's three safeties three linebackers, four, whatever your personnel groupings are, and base them off down and distance. So that was two and a half years ago that we were having that conversation of a playoff game. And that is exactly what the Lions did. Anyway, fast forward to today. The conversation that needs to be had is why does. Why do the Rams play almost exclusively 11, yet are very good at running the ball? And the answer is because they build 11 personnel groupings. You play me and nickel and I'm going to line up in tight condensed splits with, in the old days, Cooper Cup. Nowadays it's Puka, Nakua and company and those guys are good edge blockers. I'm going to add gaps to the run game that now all of these defensive backs, five, six defensive backs in nickel and dime have to fit the run. And I'm going to get all those big bodies off the field because you're going to match nickel against my 11. And I'm going to run the ball at you in first and second down. And then all of my play pass stuff looks exactly like that because the way McVay builds it. Now flip it to last night with Seattle. They're doing the opposite. They're bringing big bodies onto the field under the assumption that you're going to match me with big bodies. And I'm going to make you go big to throw it. And LA is trying to make you go small to run it. And that's the Starting point of everything they're trying to do, they are manipulating the personnel groupings you bring on the field and then they are going to play the game accordingly. That's why if I was running defenses, I would match things more often than not on tendencies of down and distance where I don't care if you come out in 12 personnel, if I know you're a first and 10 pass team, I'm going to play first and 10, two high safeties and I'm going to. If you run it, you run it. That's where the league I think is going. From the conversations I have with defensive coordinators and really smart defensive people, that's the indications that they're giving me. If you don't give up explosive runs, which teams are now starting to realize putting more guys at the first and second level actually on a play by play better, you'll like this will like on a play by play basis, defenses will support the run better in 8 man spacing, 5, 3 spacing, 4, 4 spacing like more first and second level defenders. But what we're finding is against Derrick Henry and Saquon Barkley and those kind of backs, the explosive runs are happening against single high coverage. Because once that play pops through, it's gone.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

So teams are going, you know what, I might give up five or six, but I'm not going to give up 50. I'm going to put a net. I'm going to play everything from high to low. I might be light at the line of scrimmage, but that's okay. And I'm not going to let you run the ball for 40 plus yard plays and chunk me to death in the run game. That's a problem. The good teams are all doing that. The bend but don't break, make you go the length of the field, make you snap it again. I could get a sack, I could get a holding call, I could get a false start. Every time an offense snaps the ball, something bad can happen. And that's become the model of today's NFL and I think it's just going to continue to go more and more that way because teams don't want you to throw the ball and they really don't care if you run it.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. This is. I could talk about, we could talk about this all day long. I just think it's so fascinating because again, you brought up the rams in the way that they're able to run the ball in 11 personnel because usually again when you're going nickel bodies, you back like back in the day the nickel wouldn't be coming in, it had to be very savvy. In the run game, it's like, hey, you're going to have the B gap on this snap. They're only going to run it a few different.

[Greg Olson]

Winfield.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, it's 12 personnel. The mike's going to call it this.

[Greg Olson]

Way because he's so physical. That's a different animal.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. And also even in the bigger personnel. So take the Buffalo Bills for, for example, like the development of the linebacker over the course of the decade has gotten more athletic, faster, maybe a little smaller and leaner. And if you take the Buffalo Bill second level, they're a little light in the ass. So when you're going against these 12, 13 personnel teams, it's where you could struggle in the run game because you don't have bigger bodies. And you, you then you get caught between a rock and a hard place on, you know, when you hit free agency or what you're trying to stop or eliminate. Do you get bigger bodies? Now it's just been fascinating to see these offenses adapt year in and year out to the personnel. It's like again, we've been a little bit more gun run heavy in the gun past games opened up because bigger bodies have been out there. Now we're making teams go nickel. Hey, now we've learned that if we go 12 personnel, we have very athletic tight ends. He could block at times, he could be a receiving threat. Now they're, now they're a lighter in the ass across the second level, lining up against 12, 13 personnel. Now we're able to run the football more because the second level is now lighter because of how defenses has had to adapt over the last decade to a passing threat offense. This is what I just sit back and think about and I'll give you.

[Greg Olson]

Another one that's super timely. Buffalo, they play a ton of 13. So three tight ends, they get, they get Knox, Kincaid and then the rookie. They don't do as much 12 as you would think with Knox and Kincaid. Because when they go 12 with Knox and Kincaid, what defense, what defense do they bring out? What personnel group? The nickel, they play nickel. So you lose all of your advantage and Kincaid isn't really going to gain that advantage back. So to be an early down passing team out of 12, Buffalo has said, you know what, that doesn't really do anything for us. But you know what does get you in base and does get a lot of big bodies on the field. Thirteen.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And then you know who My Z receiver in essence is Dalton Kincaid. So now I have Kincaid, I have my X whichever receiver they leave on the field depending on the play. And then Dawson Knox is the Watt is like the F and then the rookie is the big why he's like the on the ball true tight end. They could line up in double wing and run it down your throat. Or what they like to do is they can spread you out and they can throw it because they feel like that's the, that's the one personnel grouping.

[Bus]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

They are getting a pass advantage because they're not great on the outside. They're not dominant at the, at the outside receiver. So they're doing it with screen games to Shakir and they're doing it with play action pass to the tight ends and obviously James Cook in the run game, in the screen game. So it's another great example of Buffalo and Joe Brady being really intelligent of how do I get big bodies on the field when I want to throw it and how do I get more little bodies on the field when I want to run it.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

That's what everyone's doing. And if you match personnel, you're, you're as a defense, you are now at the mercy of the offense.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

Dictating to you who's on the field.

[Taylor]

And making the secondary even, especially corners like play savvy in the run game enough to mess with their eyes and hit them on these play action passes.

[Greg Olson]

And again without getting into the weeds too complicated on all this. But right, this is where the McVeigh Shanahan wide receiver, pre snap jet motion and all that stuff that everyone looks at and goes, man, it's to distract the linebackers. It's not distracting the linebackers. This is not middle school football where you send a guy in motion and all 11 guys on defense watch him go. It changes the run fits. Yeah, it changes. Now that, that backside nickel who's an edge player off the slot, all of a sudden that guy goes in fast motion. He's now the backside B gat player.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And we're running Wine back inside zone and he's at the point of attack now. And the front side linebacker who's Will Compton, he's your run player. He just got bumped to the edge because now it's a three by one formation and he's got to play outside the box box and he can't make the tackle. Like that's what's going on in all of this. And it's a hard thing to get across in the broadcast because the timing and it's a little in depth, but it is a fascinating evolution of offensive football, the way that it's being played nowadays.

[Taylor]

Because again, even, even the, the defensive back, like just the inexperience of playing very detailed in the run game, you get them to pat their feet just for a second and the gap's going to move or you're going to get the body on them eventually. And just that little bit of. Or enough inexperience to where, hey, you're putting them in a, in a very much a run conflict situation to where that's all you need to pop an explosive play.

[Bus]

Let me ask you this, you guys brought up that you brought the bills of the 13 personnel, that's the only way to get these defenses to go into base. If you are a defense coordinator, game planning against the Buffalo Bills, how are you playing their tendencies? This is for kind of for both.

[Greg Olson]

Of you, because I guess it depends what my team is, right? I guess I would have to look at my personnel and say, right, so what's been the advantage of the Eagles over the last couple years? It's twofold, right? So as I'm building, if I put my defensive coordinator hat on here, my first question is, how good is my offense? And if I say my offense is a 25 or more points per game, maybe we're even closer to 28. I'm sitting there saying, I don't give a shit how much you run the ball on me. You're not going to score 28, 30 points a game doing that. I'm going to play high shells. I'm going to control the front. I'm going to control the run game with my front. That's been Philadelphia for the last couple years, right? That's Vic Fangio's kind of touch on NFL defenses over the last decade is high shells. Everything from the top down, be really dominant at one or two spots in the defensive line and those guys control the game. And now my, my back seven are all pass first, run second, downhill run and chase play players. If that's my personnel and my offense is that compliment, that's exactly what I'm going to be. It's why Dallas really struggled last year and everyone overreacted to Dallas needs to be better against the run. Well, in 2023, when Dak was a potential MVP and they're scoring 30 a game, no one talked about Dallas's run game because it was Trayvon Diggs and it was Daron Bland having picked sixes and Micah Parsons having strip sacks with DeMarcus Lawrence and they're just rushing the passer the entire game because you can't run and keep up with Dak in a 30 point offense. Dak gets hurt, all of a sudden the passing game goes to shit and it turns into the Rico Dowdle run game. Well, all of a sudden now we're playing a lot lower scoring games as a result because I'm not chasing Dallas anymore and I can run the ball for four quarters and all of a sudden now the weakness of the smaller bodies, the lighter bodies, the way Dallas built that defense over the years to complement a 30 point offense, has now completely broken down. So I guess to answer your question, how good's my offense? Am I playing low 20s, high teens games or am I making this a race to 30? That changes my decisions drastically? And then do I have one or two interior defensive linemen that are just an absolute game wrecker that I can hold the front and you might get me here and there, but at the end you ran 22 times for 85 yards. I'm fine with that. That doesn't bother me.

[Bus]

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[Greg Olson]

There's some nuance to how I would play, but generally speaking, that would be my approach.

[Taylor]

Yeah. And just understanding your back seven like again, it's. It's like if you're sitting there stuck between a rock and a hard place on. Are we going to go bigger personnel this game or not? Well, if we're going to go an extra backer. An extra backer here, number one, is he detailed enough in the past game to where he can run and play in space? And if not, do you have a secondary level guy or a defensive back guy who can. Who can play in the run game and be like, all right, we'll give up some in the run, but we really need this guy in the back end to eliminate some of the explosives through the air. So it all depends. And it's just been. It's just fascinating to watch this game continue to adapt, you know, a few years at a time and then see teams go after certain body types. Certain body types. Like again, even when the tight end was becoming more of a receiving threat with all these very athletic tight ends, Jordan Reed was one of them. For us to where you're kind of more. You're trying to get teams more out space. But anytime you knew Jordan Reed was in the game, let's just say he was number 85. If you knew 85 was in the game, you're going to put lighter personnel out there because, you know, 90 of the time they're going to throw a pass because it's Jordan Reed.

[Bus]

Right.

[Taylor]

Versus if you got Logan Paulson, 82, who's a blocking tight end now, you're just seeing these semi positions become, you know, just super athletic like these freaks that they're finding that can kind of do both things.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

To Greg's point with Buffalo where you could put 13 out there and Kincaid can play the X or player receiver. So I. It's what this is football. So interesting. Yeah, this is.

[Greg Olson]

It's what they tried to do with Kyle Pitts in Atlanta with Arthur Smith.

[Bus]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Taylor]

Yes. Great example.

[Greg Olson]

It's the exact same thing. The problem was early in his career and I haven't had an Atlanta game this year, so I don't want to make A blanket observation because I haven't watched Kyle play this year. But obviously, freak athlete, wide receiver type, body type, skills, ability to move. I mean, he's a rare dude to have TE next to his name. The problem was they played him as a Z receiver. And you lose a little bit of your matchup. Right? Like, I. The worst thing for me, the best thing for me in my career. I'll just speak about myself. It's easier than giving. Judging other guys. Early in my career, when I came out, when we went to tight ends in Chicago, Desmond Clark, who was the other tight end with me, the vet, he was the why. He was the true tight end, and I was the F. I was in the slot. I was the third receiver. That was never my game. I was not comfortable out there. I didn't want to run choice routes. I didn't want to run underneath. Like, that was not who I was. The best thing for my career was playing the why. Because I was the why. Whether it was 12, 11, 13, 21, it didn't matter. I was the why. So my matchups were linebackers and safeties. I was in the. I was in the run game. So I was in the game every single snap. So there was no tendencies, hey, Olson's in the game. Let's play nickel pass. Olson's not in the game. We can play run like when you can play every down. And you don't have to be so predictable in your personnel groupings based on your tendencies.

[Taylor]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

That was the best thing that ever happened to me. If I had to play my early in my career, when. When Charles Woodson was in Green Bay, Don Capers was the D coordinator. And then I forget who took over for him. My rookie year, we're breaking the huddle, and I got Charles Woodson guarding me in the slot. They made him like a dime linebacker. So, I mean, this was 15 years ago.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And they made him the dime linebacker. They played two high safeties. He, in essence, became the other nickel, and he would play me two man in the slot. And he was a Hall of Famer, and I was in my first and second year. That was a bad matchup for me. I'm saying, put me back in the box. I want to run routes against linebackers, and I don't want to guard a Hall. I don't want a Hall of Fame defensive back who's a corner now at this part, playing safety. That's not. That's not in my best interest. But teams played us nickel to 12 early in my career, and the better I got at blocking and the better I got at being on the field in all personnel groupings, the more of an advantage I got in the passing game.

[Taylor]

Think about you and some of these offensive schemes nowadays, Greg.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, my God, bro.

[Taylor]

It's like that nowadays.

[Greg Olson]

I'm like, oh, and just seeing how.

[Taylor]

Much offenses have grown schematically the thought process, utilizing the personnel, like, that's why, that's why George Kittle is such a beast. Because he's somebody who again, who can be a true. Why he can block, he can receive versus like a Travis Kelsey to where you'll have that extra tight end in there maybe to give some disguise and you kind of got some freaks around him on the outside to where you can still be in the gun at times. You know, he's more of a, a past savvy tight end, but like yourself, Greg, like Kittle, Gronk.

[Bus]

Yeah, Gronk was a big one. That changed a whole lot of things because you have no idea how to stand up against.

[Greg Olson]

It's a great. You guys got me. I'm taking my jacket off. You guys got juice right now. Sweating.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bus]

It is so interesting to see like the thought process of defensive coordinators. Like, are you playing as the personnel, you playing as tendencies. And it's something that as an office alignment, you don't really think about. You just think, okay, we're in 12, 13 personnel, they're going to bring base out here. And now it's like, that's no longer when I was playing. That's how it always was. Hey, we're going to put bigger bodies in the field because we had a Delaney Walker who was kind of that, that wide tight end that could, he could run block a little bit, but also he was one of our best pass catchers. And you just, you start to learn the game of chess that has to take place week in and week out. And then hearing about, hey, how's my offense? Because that's going to change dramatically how I call this defense. It's, it's, it's awesome. Football is in a great place.

[Greg Olson]

The guys are just more versatile now, Taylor, than they were, you know, even when we were playing five. You know, I'm out five years. So eight years ago, 10 years ago, like, guys are more versatile, right. There's receivers now that are legitimate threats, threats in the run game, blocking edges, adding gaps to the defense in the line of scrimmage. When did we ever. What was the. When we used to run run game, especially even nickel 12. It didn't matter what it was nickel run, the receivers were out on the numbers, playing patty cake with the corner every once in a while. If it was quarters and it was Bob Sanders or it was a dude at safety, we would crack, replace and we would go and that receiver would go dig out that force player. That was the extent of receiver run game responsibility in a lot of these offenses now, especially the real tight condensed formations, the Laflor tree, I mean the McVeigh and Shanahan type tree. You can't play in those offenses as a receiver.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

If you don't block.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

So it's just a completely different mindset now. And you know, we could say the same thing about running backs. Right. Like the McCaffrey's of the world. Like McCaffrey's. McCaffrey because of what he can do in the passing game, he's a receiver. He is so uniquely talented compared to other running backs. That's why his value is so much higher.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like I would sit there in defensive meetings when they'd be going over if like say I would be the guy out going nickel against like 12 and I would just be sitting there thinking in my head why wouldn't offenses just. If we're going to run nickel this, if I'm the OC and I kind of see that we're running nickel knowing how they're trying to coach this nickel. Right on. Hey, Mike's going to make the close call. Let's say left, you just go line up on the right, find the open bubble, that'll be your gap. I'm thinking in my head, if OC's just understood this conversation being had, why wouldn't they just live in this personnel, keep us a nickel and force this, this defensive back to play in the run game enough. So to where now he's all up because he's trying to commit to the run game so much and now you crack him over the top with a play action pass. And now seeing it happen, it's just, it's fascinating.

[Bus]

You're ahead of your time.

[Taylor]

I'm like sitting there, I'm just thinking in my head, if you're just. If that OC was just sitting in this meeting room and knew this is how we were kind of trying to adjust, like, hey, they're going to be in 12 personnel but they're kind of going to show us more 11 looks than anything else. We're just going to stay in nickel in ca and if they do line up at ace or put Two tight ends in. Hey, buddy, here's where you're going to kind of fit. It's going to be unlikely, but if it does happen and just take care of this B gap on the backside for us.

[Greg Olson]

And so how many teams over the years when they brought two tight ends, let's be honest, how many teams could bring two tight ends in 12 and be equally good in the passing game? Both guys, not just the F. Right. Both guys be equally good in the passing game and both guys equally good in the run game. How many offenses in the last 10 years have been able to do that?

[Taylor]

Do you have the answer?

[Greg Olson]

I, I, it's not very many. It's less than a handful.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. But now it's trending to where your car.

[Bus]

Because these body types are changing.

[Greg Olson]

That's what I mean. I think it's a lot. My point is it's a lot more relevant today.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Than it was earlier in my career where there was. That's the blocker, that's the receiver. And we're going to treat them as such. Even though if they're both in the game, I don't care if we call them tight ends. H backs. That guy could be a right tackle.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

He is zero fret to do anything in the passing game outside of a spot route or a sticky, that guy. He's not digging out a C gap power player. He's not cutting off the backside zone. He is a F wide receiver. That was the game when I came into the league 15 years ago. That has really been muddied. The lines have been blurred between the ability to do multiple things. Not just that tight end, running back, wide receiver, O line. Like, like it's, it's a lot more positionless in today's NFL on both sides of the ball.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Than it was when I came in the league 15 years ago.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is me up.

[Greg Olson]

How many 270 pound 3, 4 linebackers play in the league anymore? Lavon Kirkland and Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Taylor]

Like you see, you see guys, every now and then it's like Nick Bolton. Like, that's somebody who is thick and will knock your dick in the dirt. But he can also run.

[Bus]

He can. Yes. Because who's the.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. How much do you think he weighs?

[Bus]

240, maybe.

[Taylor]

Yeah. 245.

[Greg Olson]

But when we can't do right. He's like. Especially if you were a 3, 4. Like all those AFC north teams, you know, the Steelers and the Ravens. I mean, when I first came in the league three four base linebackers were 260 pounds.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Nose guards in three, four were 350.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And then they would, they would walk off the field and you would go nickel and they would. The, the, the, the trend, the lines being blurred between you're a three technique, you're a nose. Sure. You're a mic or a will. I don't know, you all kind of, everyone kind of looks the same body type wise.

[Taylor]

Oh, here's how we're going to defend this wide zone scheme now that's coming into the league. Right.

[Greg Olson]

Is super fun to talk about.

[Taylor]

We. I had Terence Knighton in front of me one year was on like the career and he was, they called him pot roast. Like he was massive. Like 350, 360. You just have. If there's a, if there's a YU tight end, it's like you're having to gas him and just get him going to the side of where you're assuming the white zone's going to be just to get him running.

[Bus]

Dude. My rookie year we were playing the Bengals and they just most recently played the Ravens and I saw Ray Monologo on a pinpole scheme take a tackle out like declete him.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

And it's like you don't really see that anymore. Those types of linebackers that are just like cowboy caller esque type guys, the Ray Lewis is that are just murdering people.

[Greg Olson]

Ask yourself why.

[Bus]

Because the evolution of the tight end it seems like right.

[Greg Olson]

Lewis probably. Ray Lewis is probably not the example even though he was that big tight body. But the reason those guys can't play anymore is because they're not three down players. And their weaknesses, as physical as they are and as stout as they are in the run game, their liabilities in coverage, their liabilities to match, man. And if you're forced to only play zones, can they tackle in space? Can they cover like the liability and coverage is not worth the advantage gained by their stout and physicality in the run game. Because defenses realize this guy might be great stopping the run, but if he's an absolute liability in the passing game, he can't be on the field. Yeah, he's going to be. He is going to be attacked, he's going to be isolated and we are going to die a lot faster death. This guy being exploited in the run game, in the passing game than him on first and second down being really good against will lead ISO like yeah, it just doesn't matter.

[Taylor]

And those superstars, they don't really walk around. It's like you got kids and then.

[Greg Olson]

Of course the guys that do it all.

[Taylor]

And I mean there are, there are good backers who can play all three downs, but at a superstar level, like a Keakley and Fred Warner, like they're those guys.

[Greg Olson]

That's why when you get them, you pay him 30 million and you don't let him walk out the door.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Olson]

There's always exceptions to all of these rules. Right. Like that's why those guys are the elite of the elite. But every other team is trying to figure out, most teams are trying to figure out how to be good in all these areas without just having the best player on the field. If you have the best player on the field, it makes coaching a lot of these intricacies a lot simpler.

[Taylor]

Yeah, you gotta assume too, these are how a lot of these staff meetings probably go. And trying to. Game plan.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

What bodies are we going to be putting out there? This was fun, girl.

[Greg Olson]

Goes hand in hand.

[Taylor]

It all goes hand in hand.

[Bus]

What are we going to see? I formation again, 22 personnel.

[Taylor]

You saw, you saw something, right?

[Bus]

You saw some.

[Taylor]

Yeah, you're seeing it again like yesterday.

[Bus]

Downhill ISO type stuff yesterday.

[Taylor]

Joe Brady, they were, they were gashing them with some rap leads in 12, like 22 personnel. Like some good old fashioned rap leads that were gashing them spags. They adjusted to it in the second half. But again it's like you're just seeing some of these old, like some of the traditional sets just coming back whether or not they should run game and everything else. But it's been fun. It's been fun.

[Greg Olson]

I think teams should do it more now. Does everybody have a fullback? That's a different conversation. That's kind of a lost art. But like I think teams should run more two back. I think it really works well under center play action. I think it really does a stressful job on the defense, changing gaps. And now we're splitting gaps with the lead blocker. Right. So now that, that, that B gap will insert play that everyone ran for, it was like the first install any of us ever learned. Right. Was eye formation to the weak side and the fullback and the will linebacker just smashed into each other.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Well, the part we never learned back in the day that now defenses are realizing is, well, all of a sudden that B gap became two gaps. So now you need to have two players, someone on the outside of the blocker, inside. It's hard teams, these kids don't grow up fitting fullback ISO anymore. They don't, they don't do two back power anymore. Like, these guys are not used to defending these plays. So if you are good at that element, it can be a very effective kind of wrinkle that defenses are not accustomed to defending.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bus]

Hey, before. Before we get you out of here.

[Taylor]

Yeah. What do you got?

[Bus]

Ravens destroy the Dolphins. The Dolphins fire their GM, Chris Greer, but they don't fire McDaniels. How do we feel about that?

[Greg Olson]

So I'll be. I want to be very clear. I never call for anyone to get fired.

[Bus]

Smart.

[Greg Olson]

I think there's a society where I've been cut, I've been released, I've been traded. I've been on teams where my position coach got fired and I had to sit in his office and like, literally sit there and be like, dude, I failed you. Like my tight end coach, you got fired. Like, that was because of me or offensive coordinator, head coach. I've been on a team with the head coaches, so I've. I've experienced all that. So I never. I think we're in a society where fans really disconnect. Like, these are human beings with jobs and families and they're losing their livelihood and they got to uproot and go somewhere else. I get why. Because the environment and the competitive spirit. So I just want to preface it by saying I don't ever root for anyone to get fired.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

I was shocked that if a change was made, it was going to be in the front office, like watching that game. I don't know if at any point now, are they the most talented roster? No. But did I watch that game and be like, man, if the GM did a better job, they wouldn't have wasted that time out or the GM did a better job, they wouldn't have gotten that illegal formation or like all the little details that kind of fell apart for Miami, especially early in that game when they were still competitive and they were in it. I don't. To wake up the next day and see change was made maybe wasn't surprising. I'm not saying I would have fired Mike, but I don't know. That just felt. That felt personal. That felt like it had been brewing and there was personal animosity between ownership. Again, I'm speculating.

[Bus]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

And. And front office. And like, the owner just felt like we have to do something. We're in bed with this coach. He's our offensive play caller. We don't want to replace the OC and head coach, which ultimately you would be doing. But our fans are also not going to wake up this morning and. And Just say status quo is acceptable. So it kind of felt like that to me. Me. But that was a tough, that was tough ball to watch that there was a lot going on in that game. That's just bad ball.

[Taylor]

They were in fourth and goal once, and I think they went maybe an empty and threw a fade ball to the running.

[Greg Olson]

My least favorite red zone.

[Bus]

It was. Yeah, it was horrendous to watch.

[Greg Olson]

You want to throw a first down jump ball to Justin Jefferson? Okay.

[Bus]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, the reason why I even, I even brought that question running back, the reason why I even bring that question up was that Stephen A. Smith, the next day, he's going on a, a tangent. I think he was making like a racial thing about everything going down there. I'm not going down that road. I'm looking at from a, a longer play standpoint where, you know, Mike McDaniels, at the end of the year when it's the, the Black Friday or the Black Monday, whenever they start getting rid of head coaches, I think his name ends up getting called and cut. Where the Dolphins need a new head coach. The, the, the thing that I think makes this a good mover, where I can look at it and be like, okay, I can see why they did that, was you look at teams like the Titans or, or other franchises that have had like this up and down, where you hire a head coach, then you get a general manager. Those two don't necessarily get along. So you fire the head coach and then, and then it's kind of back and forth, rear, losing one, gaining behind.

[Taylor]

The eight ball somewhere always.

[Bus]

So maybe in this way, like, you know who your general manager is going to be in the future, you figure that out to where you know who his guy is going to be. So it can be one smooth transition when he gets the new year. The, the new year, the new season, and you have a gm, a head coach that are aligned with the ownership. That's the only place I can look at them. Be like, all right, maybe this is a good chess move for the Dolphins. Am I making any sense in that?

[Taylor]

Yeah. You're saying get rid. If you get rid of the GM now, you're on the lookout, you're trying to figure out your gm.

[Bus]

You're going to find out your GM guy who's essentially going to find who your head coach is going to be as well, because you go get, you fire the head coach and the GMs there. Well, obviously they're not happy with the GM. He gets rid of the whole entire secondary from last year. Their bad. Their secondary is not great. Like, they haven't done a good job of establishing a competitive roster. So he's going to be gone as well. You might as well get the top piece first before you insert this head coach piece. So everyone's kind of aligned top to bottom. Does that make sense?

[Taylor]

Yeah, I can buy that.

[Greg Olson]

I think there's an order of operations.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

That is part of this whole entire picture.

[Bus]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

And then you factor in, how many teams have we seen do the alternating front office, head coach, draft the quarterback, then fire the coach? Like, like. And that song and dance just ends up. You end up chasing your tail. There is an order of operations that makes sense to all of us. It doesn't feel like that's the order that most teams end up operating in. I'd also add to that, like, when was the last time. I mean, I guess when the Panthers fired. They fired Rule and promoted Wilkes. I would argue that they got better, but traditionally speaking, what team that's so bad that they fire their coach during the season promotes an interim and things get better? Like, let's look at this. Like, are the Titans better? I mean, you follow them, obviously. Taylor, like, have things gotten better because they fired their coach in week five?

[Bus]

No.

[Greg Olson]

Last year with the jets, when they fired Salah, did things get better? I mean, like, generally speaking, firing your head coach might feel good. It might just stop having that question asked in the, in the press conferences and articles stop being written. But as far as actually affecting the outcome and the competency of your football, there might be a couple outliers where interim coaches have actually improved it. Wilkes is the first one that comes.

[Taylor]

To mind in Carolina Bisaccia with the Raiders two years ago, when Gruden went out.

[Bus]

I mean, Mike Balarkey, he. When he was the intermediate coach, we won one more game. We went nine and seven the next year.

[Taylor]

Yeah, you're. Yeah. Yeah. But overall. Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

So there's a couple outliers, traditionally speaking. It just continues to unfold.

[Bus]

Right, Right.

[Greg Olson]

It just. You fire, you're usually bad for a reason. You're usually getting fired for a reason every now and then. Can a message connect better? Sure. When we fired Ron Rivera with, I don't know, three games, two or three games left in our 2019 season, it got exponentially worse. Like, I don't know. I. I just, I'm not a big fan of just like, doing shit for the sake of doing it. If it's not going to have. If there's not Someone on that staff that you go, oh, man, let's make this guy the head coach. And I want to see what turns around. If that guy's not potentially your full time head coach going forward, there's no reason to make them the interim for the next seven games and just delay the inevitable.

[Bus]

Yeah. Head coach with three games left is just. Just insane. That's Antonio outside noise getting to you.

[Greg Olson]

Antonio, it was either maybe it was three or it might have been four games. Three or four games.

[Bus]

You get past that week eight mark and there's not a guy that you're essentially saying, hey, let's see what this dude's resume is as an interim head coach on your in staff. There. There is no reason.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, yeah. I guess it is an like a tryout kind of a thing if you feel like there's the person on your staff. And I guess that's.

[Taylor]

That's.

[Greg Olson]

That's probably fair. There's also this fake reality of, like, getting a head start. I don't buy that. Like, I don't think in today's day and age, head coaches are like, well, I don't really want to go to the Tennessee Titans, just for example. Like, you know, I don't want to go to Tennessee, but they fired their coach so they could contact me earlier. So I'm just going to take that job instead of waiting to see. I don't think that's how the system works. I think good coaches get hired. Whether you fire your coach in week five or you fire your coach in the second round of the playoffs, I think. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I just think a lot of that is overblown.

[Bus]

Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that.

[Taylor]

I'm solid. Greg, you are the man, bro. Do you have any more for him?

[Bus]

No. I appreciate you. Great. Thanks for taking time. Great ball.

[Greg Olson]

What coach is jumping on today?

[Bus]

Who do we got today?

[Greg Olson]

Last week we had Elko jump in.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

How cool was that? Hang out with Elko. It was great, dude. Seeing you guys talk about a couple Jersey boys just hanging out for a little bit. That was awesome.

[Greg Olson]

Him.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

We got Tony today.

[Taylor]

Tony V's coming on the bus. New manager for the San Francisco Giants.

[Greg Olson]

Got interviewed him on my pod a couple weeks.

[Bus]

We.

[Greg Olson]

A couple weeks ago, like, literally two weeks before he took that job, I interviewed him.

[Taylor]

He's the man, bro.

[Greg Olson]

He's awesome.

[Taylor]

He is awesome. But he's coming on the bus to join us. I don't know if we have any head coaches tuned in.

[Bus]

Yeah, no, no, not this week. Just you.

[Greg Olson]

Well, you guys are the best. Man. I always love coming on and talking ball with you guys. Appreciate you.

[Taylor]

All right, Greg.

[Bus]

Thank you. Big round of applause real quick. Appreciate you, Greg. A.

[Greg Olson]

Appreciate you.

[Bus]

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[Taylor]

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[Bus]

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[Taylor]

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[Bus]

And it bunches in your butt a little bit.

[Taylor]

You know you get like the dingleberries in your ass.

[Bus]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Taylor]

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[Taylor]

Subscribe by the way, Steelers beating the Colts.

[Bus]

Yeah, I mean, $179 million defense. You know what the biggest thing was? They got after the quarterback. Dude, you watch all the film of steel. It seemed like all that money up front. Highsmith, Watt. Who's the, who's the D tackle? Cam Hayward. Cameron Hayward. Like they weren't really getting the quarterback at all. But this game, for whatever reason, against an offensive line who give up the second most sacks in the NFL, they were getting after Daniel Jones's ass. And that was the biggest difference maker to me when watching that film.

[Taylor]

Yeah, who's last name? Peyton. 41.

[Bus]

Peyton Wilson. He's NC State. Yeah, he's a linebacker that we got late in the draft because he has no MClS in his knees. Best linebacker in that class.

[Taylor]

Dude, he can run.

[Bus]

He, he combine dog. Like his 40 was insane. Four.

[Greg Olson]

Four, right?

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All white team.

[Bus]

Yeah, they might be out there, but.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I thought that was a massive win for Pittsburgh. Tough two for the Colts, I want to say. Danny Dimes through three picks.

[Bus]

Three picks, two fumbles. Yeah. Tough day at the office.

[Taylor]

Taylor didn't get in the end zone for us either.

[Jack]

Oh, kind of needed that.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

We had him for two.

[Bus]

It makes that afc, the AFC North. It makes it way more interesting now because the Ravens are going to continue to. I think they're going to continue to win. They're going to continue to do the thing. I think they'll beat the Vikings this weekend. But the Steelers, it's like, do we fall back in love with the idea of them winning the AFC North?

[Taylor]

It'll be, I mean, it'll be close because they're what, two games apart?

[Bus]

Two games apart right now. And they play December 7th is the next time those two teams see each other.

[Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[Bus]

We are in a spiral of, of Jacoby Myers. There's rumors for all of Pittsburgh right now like we're begging for another receiver and that's every chatboard right now. I thought we looked okay. I thought we looked good. Knew we were going to beat the Colts, but like Pittsburgh is.

[Taylor]

Oh, you knew you were going to beat the Colts.

[Bus]

I can't stress. No one thought you'd be the Colts. No, no, no. Those are the games we win.

[Greg Olson]

We're going to lose to the Browns.

[Bus]

We're probably going to beat the Bengals and split. We'll lose to the Ravens, we'll lose to bad teams. We beat good teams. That's what Tomlin does. He brings us back every single year. Brings us back in. Have you ever been on the. The. The stance of Tomlin needs to go.

[Taylor]

Oh, close to me.

[Bus]

Believe so, but I've never said those words. Tomlin is. We're never going to find another guy that's just better than him. Would I eventually root for him on another team? Yes. I would root for Tomlin to coach a different team if that happened. I have never asked for Tomlin to.

[Greg Olson]

Not be my head coach.

[Bus]

Buddy. Yeah. You don't want to lose him. You don't.

[Taylor]

Another team I just don't want to quit on is the Texans. Texans.

[Bus]

I know you don't. And honestly, like, C.J. stroud doesn't get hurt in that game. Like Texas probably walk away with that game.

[Jack]

The Broncos are winning games like the Chiefs did last year.

[Bus]

I know.

[Taylor]

Some bull crap.

[Bus]

When did you get them? Their defense is so good.

[Taylor]

Were you guys tuned into that game? Yeah. So did you see when what's his name? Is it RJ Harvey? RJ Harvey scored out of the backfield to catch that touchdown pass. And on that linebacker from Alabama, on the Texans to oh, to oh. Athletic linebacker. But again, hey, no bam, call. Running back comes out of the backfield and sets him up on an option, right? So you're thinking he's going to break in or out. He takes off behind him. Easy. Touchdown. Easy. And everybody's like. I'm sure everybody's screaming to Oto, whatever he can't cover, get him off. That is such a hard fucking route to cover if you. That's why you got to use that bam call.

[Bus]

Gotta use it. Don't try to be a hero.

[Taylor]

Sean Payton offense. Drew Brees. Bam. Staple for him.

[Bus]

Can I ask you guys a question? I know we're gonna be sitting on this bus.

[Taylor]

I'll take one. Yes.

[Bus]

Yes. Coffees, anybody? Yeah, yeah. Coffees. One, two.

[Jack]

I'm good.

[Bus]

Sure. Three. God bless this man.

[Jack]

It's November.

[Bus]

Yeah. So what are we doing? Spooktober's over. How great was Spookto at the end of Spooktober. We'll get to that in the recap. We'll get to that.

[Taylor]

Get that bus and get to that bus.

[Bus]

Yeah, tomorrow I'm doing Cole Bruskies.

[Taylor]

Hey, and while you're talking about that J, anything else on NFL before we get back to college?

[Jack]

Did y' all hit on the Bengals?

[Taylor]

Yeah, the Bengals Bears game did not hit on Bengals. Bears got to. I wasn't. I didn't get to watch. I got to. So I got to see the clips after and seeing Jamar Chase just needed one. Like everybody just kind of going in on that defense. Like if you get any type of life on defense, like you win that game.

[Jack]

Game you should have been watching because T. Higgins decided to have the best game.

[Taylor]

I saw that. He's on the. Yeah, he's on the fantasy team. I saw he was sitting around like.

[Jack]

Six to eight points before that went off, bro. Two touchdowns that.

[Taylor]

Yo, get the off me. Catch. Oh my God.

[Greg Olson]

The Bengals are the first team ever to score 38 points in back to back weeks and still lose both games. We were talking about this, bro.

[Taylor]

That has to just. I mean you saw it on everybody's face. But just the morale death that just happens when it's like the defense just one possession.

[Greg Olson]

We were talking about this in our pre pro meeting conversation to be had about Joe Flacco in the MVP conversation.

[Taylor]

Per Mitch. Per Mitch.

[Bus]

Yeah. Hey, if you. If we need to make an envy like a senior mvp, if we could have like the top five oldest NFL players to be like, this is our guy this year. That needs to be a thing because Joe Flacco is doing things because what was this? He might be better than Brady at this age.

[Taylor]

What was the stat that was just said? 30 first team to score over 38 two weeks in a row and they lose. Yeah, like if you're going to be the mvp, like even if we hypothetically play this game of Joe Flacco being the mvp, like the Bengals would still be turning around and coming back in like winning games.

[Greg Olson]

But I wouldn't say like, bro, they won the game. They're putting up. Exactly. They're putting up, up 38 points. Like you would like to think scoring 38 points. You're going to win every game.

[Bus]

Every game.

[Taylor]

Joe B. Didn't win the MVP last year and that was the entire story of the season. It's just he doesn't have a defense. If he had a defense, he'd be.

[Bus]

Walking and Honestly, I think there's an argument. I think Joey B. Should have won it. Like, his numbers was above and.

[Taylor]

Yeah, but this Joe B. Who's been on the team the entire time, like, he was also on the.

[Bus]

Browns, but, like, listen, we're losing waters. At the end of the day, we're talking about Joe Flacco winning the mvp, which I know is not the case. Case.

[Greg Olson]

It's a conversation.

[Bus]

It's a conversation. I do think Joe Burrow should have won the MVP last year because it's like, who's the mo. Like, the most valuable player. And Joe Burrow, after going, what, three and five or whatever their record was, like, ends up being, like, one or two games away from getting into the playoffs. Like, without Joe Burrow, that doesn't happen. Joe Flacco, buddy, he's incredible.

[Greg Olson]

Like, to where we.

[Bus]

We put so much on the Cowboys defense, it's like it's kind of muzzled. And we've kind of forgot about the Bengals defense. The Bengals defense, there needs to be an indictment on all of them. Every single guy out there needs to be questioned.

[Taylor]

Well, the difference is the Bengals being the AFC North. You know, everybody's talking about the Ravens come back. Steelers kind of have the division right now at the moment. And then with the. With the Cowboys, like, the Cowboys, they're still in conversations of the division. They're not everybody. Is everybody else convinced? I guess we can be convinced of the Eagles.

[Bus]

The Eagles are going to. Of all the. Of the. All the divisions, the Eagles are the most clearly going to win their division. Most clearly. The commanders. The commanders just lost. Commanders just lost. Commanders are lost. Bad. And their quarterback, when there was 38 to 7, and he's still in the game with seven minutes left. The Cowboys defense is horrendous, getting better. If they play all their games at home. Yeah, I could see the Cowboys making it to the playoffs. So they score 42 points a game when they're at home. And then there's the Giants. Giants who just lost Cam. And it's like, yeah, you had Jackson dart, who put up 24 points last game, but it's the 49ers who have all their first team out who are literally down the most people in all of the NFL. That division is. It's over. And I feel very comfortable saying that that division is done.

[Taylor]

Two weeks ago, you were buying the Cowboys. You're like this team, right?

[Bus]

And they broke my fucking heart, Will. All right? I sat there, I did the whole girlfriend thing. We dated, I fell in love. I Said I love you first. You know what they said back to me? Thank you. Turns out they were cheating on me with a hotter guy. Like that is the feeling I have for the Cowboys right now. Your offense is a championship caliber offense. At home, you're a different team when you're away. And your defense, regardless if you're home or away, you're bad. Yeah, that's how it is. That's point blank.

[Taylor]

I just don't think it's Philly's like the most clear cut division winner. I like I did just say that.

[Bus]

Pull the divisions. Pull up the divisions.

[Taylor]

You got the Bucks and it's Falcons, Panthers that are behind them.

[Bus]

Colts, Colts have the game. They do. It's like the Jags and Hugh. Like Will's not willing to give up on the Texans so that. That we throw them out the window. AFC west obviously is not just a. The Broncos are running away with it. The north, that's it. That's going to be a show. The Bengals should be in that conversation these last two games, but their defense sucks so bad. The east, it's Patriots and Bills. All right, now, NFC East, Eagles clearly. Okay. Go down NFC North. We have no idea who's gonna win that division.

[Matt Malone]

And breaking news, confirmed test reports. Tucker Kraft, torn acl.

[Bus]

Oh, very sad news for the boy.

[Matt Malone]

And he was on pace for a really historic.

[Bus]

Yeah. People were saying best time.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Best tight end.

[Bus]

That is heartbreaking. Should we have a moment of silence for Doug Craft, left. Hats off.

[Taylor]

Beer Olympics alumni. We love you, Tucker.

[Bus]

We love you, Tucker Dog. That is heartbreaking. Heartbreaking.

[Taylor]

NFC west is up in the air. But look at the NFC South.

[Bus]

NFC South. Yeah, that's a great argument. Is the NFC South.

[Taylor]

Yeah, that's a great.

[Bus]

That's a. That's a good one. But it's like the Bucks are. That. The Panthers are weirdly sneaky. The Falcons are like, like the most inconsistent team in all of the NFL. But like, you could see some going down, especially with Tampa Bay being as injured as they are. They may drop a couple. It might get weird in December. That's the argument there. I do think the Bucks walk away with that division. Nfc, NFC West. We don't even need to have a conversation. We. That's a. That's a three way race right now. Is that it? It's like if you're looking at all of these divisions, we can all sit here and confidently be like, the Eagles are going to win the NFC East. That is.

[Taylor]

I'm not convinced.

[Bus]

I'm willing to put Responsibly. My mortgage on it. Responsibly. Where's the Cowboys? Just rain hell tonight.

[Taylor]

Next week, you'll be like the Cowboys.

[Bus]

I can't do that again. And if I do do that, that's when your boys. When you're always in a toxic relationship, like, you got to sit them down. You guys be like, Taylor, listen, you did this two weeks ago. Don't do this again. And Derek, honestly, I'm looking at you. You got to be the guy to get me on that one. Pinky promise. Done. Because. Because I. I am a cat. I'm a hopeless romantic. I will fall for that trap again. You see me with the Steelers. I'm. I'm in the same relationship right now, but I don't want anyone to tell me to get away from the relationship. Like, I know what I'm doing. I'll sign up for it, but I'll protect you from what you're about to get into. I can respect that. And, Mitch, I didn't ask you, but I got you a seasonal bevy. I got it hot, though. Is that okay?

[Greg Olson]

Whatever works.

[Bus]

Cool. Hey, also, don't yours is whole milk.

[Matt Malone]

Thank you. Do not sleep on what is being called potentially the biggest game of the season. Week 17 Titan Saints for the first.

[Greg Olson]

Round of the draft pick.

[Bus]

Yeah, it's what we all want, dude. It's what we all.

[Matt Malone]

Someone said on Twitter it's either going to be a 6 to 3 or 85 to 87 final score.

[Bus]

So, yeah, we'll see if it's.

[Taylor]

If it's JP what happened to Rattler, man?

[Jack]

What do you mean?

[Bus]

He got benched last week.

[Taylor]

I got benched?

[Jack]

Yeah, we.

[Bus]

We talked about this last week.

[Taylor]

I know.

[Greg Olson]

On the.

[Taylor]

On the bus. Yeah.

[Bus]

Oh, but, yeah, tell us, dude.

[Jack]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it's. It's unfortunate there was the wrong move, but I hope Spencer rattler ends up. J.J. mcCarthy had an amazing game, but he would be nice in. In At Minnesota in the backup role. If he comes in, that's somebody that coach. Coach McConnell could have dialed because. Yeah, I mean, the Saints will see. The Saints probably won't win another game. Like, I don't know if y' all watched their game at all this week.

[Taylor]

Versus the Rams, kept up with it.

[Bus]

I had it on for. Until it was 27. I was like, I'm out of here.

[Jack]

It was horrible.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Like, the only way they moved the ball was some, like, a roughing the passer penalty that led to a touchdown. And Jason Hill, Taysom Hill, he had Their biggest play of the game. It was a bad. It's a bad move by the Saints and it's.

[Bus]

If you.

[Jack]

You took Shuck in the second round, you see the way your season is going, the last thing you really want to do if you do think he's your future is get the fan base against him in. In this season and.

[Bus]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Because nothing's going to go good.

[Bus]

You should have kept Rattler out there, man. Absolutely kept.

[Jack]

Because now they like, you can't go back to him if you're the Saints.

[Bus]

Right. Like, yeah, it's a long season, like one win situation. It's like, just keep doing your thing, man.

[Jack]

Right.

[Bus]

Like, I think whatever the Saints want to do, we just kind of let them do. Yeah. We don't judge anything from here on out. Titans though. Titans and Saints. If it's so clear that these are the two teams that are going to fight for the. For the number one draft pick, I feel like there needs to be an executive order that the winner of that game gets a number one draft pick. Yeah.

[Jack]

Oh, that would happen. That would happen.

[Taylor]

Could it?

[Bus]

Who did Pull up the jets schedule real quick if you don't mind.

[Taylor]

Because I mean, buddy, you put any they want. I mean, unless they're playing each other like Justin Fields.

[Bus]

I could see them sneaking the Browns.

[Greg Olson]

The Dolphins.

[Bus]

Yeah, they got the Dolphins. Who knows about the Jags too, man, I just don't know.

[Taylor]

Play the Saints.

[Jack]

That's huge game. Big pivotal game.

[Bus]

Saints last two of three. They got. They got a chance to it all up.

[Taylor]

Yeah. December, the last three weeks could tell.

[Jack]

Lot Rattler in the last three weeks go 3 0.

[Bus]

That would mess up everything.

[Jack]

He will be a starter in the NFL again. I'll say that.

[Bus]

He just has. He has to go to Minnesota. Has to do we think JJ's back.

[Jack]

No, too, too, too early to say dude.

[Bus]

Against the Lions.

[Taylor]

Yeah, but it's.

[Bus]

He's at the Lions.

[Taylor]

It was like 140, 140 yards. Like, he made the plays he needed.

[Bus]

Through for two touchdowns, ran for one like, commit. He like didn't look lost. He didn't look lost. I'll say that game. Say that video of him post game crying. No, just like raging. Oh. Oh, he was on that. He was on that Dan landing.

[Taylor]

Love his mentality.

[Greg Olson]

I mean that throw to ice the game.

[Taylor]

Yes.

[Bus]

Beautiful.

[Greg Olson]

Unreal throw.

[Bus]

Dude. He had won the. I was it. There was one to Addison, the one.

[Greg Olson]

To Jefferson where he.

[Bus]

Bro. He like threw it under the DB and like, it was beautiful.

[Taylor]

He had a Beautiful ball too, in the end zone to Addison.

[Bus]

Yeah, yeah, that Addison dropped, right?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, he, he's showing sparks, but it's just like you need, obviously, consistency.

[Taylor]

I can't believe the Vikings beat the Lions at Detroit.

[Bus]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first there, the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

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[Bus]

Know it just makes you question everything because I I'm I still think the Lions are the best team.

[Taylor]

Weirdly enough way the Rams in Seattle played yesterday. I mean I guess Ram yes dude.

[Bus]

I will buy I will be by the Seattle Seahawks I will buy that is the best receiver in the league. Yeah JSN is unbelievable. How is he open all the time.

[Jack]

And puka bro like I don't did his game. This was his first game back from the injury and I don't know if y' all saw the pass the the his first touchdown catch. Oh my the. The ball was a dime, but the catch was just absurd. Like, almost double coverage. Late hands right on the front side of the pylon. Like, it looks unfair.

[Bus]

Him and Devonte are getting like plus 20 points in fantasy each on the same team.

[Taylor]

Rams are nice.

[Bus]

Rams are nice.

[Taylor]

Staffords, Sammy D. Drake, May.

[Bus]

I mean, those got to be the 3KSN.

[Taylor]

Josh Allen will still be in it.

[Bus]

Breaks my heart with Daniel Jones still be in it. This could be the end of Daniel Jones overreaction. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

[Taylor]

But that is a game where people just throw that. You know, somebody like if. If Mahomes or Josh Allen had a game like that, people wouldn't write them off that quickly. I think Colts losing like that and Daniel Jones having three picks, it'll be quick. You know, I'm ready to say, yeah, overrated, dude.

[Bus]

When I saw your tweet saying maybe I was right, I was like, God damn it, Will. That made me sick. And also like, people. Patrick Mahomes had his worst completion percentage of his career. Needed him.

[Taylor]

Yeah. And he had the ball left. Throw big.

[Bus]

That's why you need a good run game.

[Taylor]

Yeah. Something to keep an eye on.

[Greg Olson]

Chiefs need a Greg.

[Bus]

Greg. By the way, he's talking like, we're essentially having the same argument. It, like. Yeah, like he's saying, like, the run game is good, but you can't just have a run game. I'm saying the run game complements the pass, and that's what helps your pass game.

[Taylor]

Got to be able to throw it in, run the ball.

[Bus]

You got to be able to do both. And if you have a good run game, it's easier to throw the ball. That's all I'm trying to say out here. All right.

[Taylor]

Taylor's saying out, outside zone, left. I think that boy, Taylor just talking directly from his own experience of.

[Greg Olson]

Of.

[Bus]

You run the ball, you're able to run. If you're able to run left. Are you able to run left? If you can. If you can run a run play and have the same exact action in a play. Action play, dude. And be successful in the run game, you're going to win a lot. You're going to score a lot of points.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

You're going to score a lot of points.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

That's all I'm trying to say.

[Taylor]

Any more college football talk? Ajp I see you guys fired the OC Mike, make some moves.

[Jack]

Something about firing OC Just breathes life into a fan base. Why not go three, zero, Make a bowl Game.

[Taylor]

Why not?

[Jack]

And I mean, I would not want to be Texas A M. We got them this week. Well, we gotta buy. That's what I'm trying to say. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[Matt Malone]

You.

[Jack]

The Gamecocks are going into College Station off a buy.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jack]

With probably co offensive coordinators.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Jack]

Good luck game planning for that.

[Bus]

You know, you bring up the mirror theory of the locker room. They should have like one of the, you know, the carnivals. When you walk into those rooms and there's mirrors everywhere and there's a bunch of different angles of you. That's the move in the locker room this week.

[Jack]

Correct.

[Bus]

Just all mirrors everywhere. You can't look anywhere without looking back at yourself.

[Taylor]

Dude, I saw Fired up getting in his ass. Yeah. On the headset. Yeah.

[Jack]

They're like, can somebody tell me who Mike is?

[Taylor]

Because you guys are close there for a minute. Yeah, yeah.

[Jack]

What's. Oh, yeah, dude, it was. Oh, my gosh.

[Bus]

We.

[Jack]

We made a stop and we were going to get the ball back. I think it was 14, 17. They punt it. Muff the punt. We hold them. They're down there at our five. Our defense played incredible. We hold them, punt, and it's just like. Or yeah, like I guess they kicked a field goal. We just do nothing with our drive. We rank in the bottom, like five teams of all offense in college football.

[Bus]

Oh, heartbreaking.

[Jack]

But now he's gone.

[Bus]

So now top five for the last three weeks.

[Jack]

Yeah, Top five.

[Bus]

Top five weeks.

[Jack]

Classic.

[Taylor]

Which OC is this?

[Bus]

Do you think. Do you think you guys are the nail in the coffin for Dabo?

[Jack]

No, no, he'll be there next year for sure. But I was at that Clemson game. You want to talk about some fireworks, though? The offenses were going nuts. And if you're a Clemson fan, you're sick that we fired Chula because that was probably the only hope they had to beat us. But it was. Yeah, that was. Dabo did not fall down the hill. I was. That's one of the main reasons I went. The season's going bad. There's a chance. It's the ultimate image of their season. If Dabo finally trips going down the hill. No injuries, but, you know, he likes to run fast down there, do his thing, and I was so far ahead of the team, I wanted to be sure I was there in case he did fall.

[Taylor]

Are we talking. You'd like to see something where it's light enough to. Where he's just in a boot?

[Jack]

Yeah, boot would be fine.

[Taylor]

Boot for a Week or two. Yeah.

[Jack]

But he could pull off just a roll where, you know, you kind of bounce back up. I know He's a little bit older now. Yeah. But something just slow him down.

[Bus]

That run down the hill. I hate that. I absolutely hate that.

[Jack]

I just post a video, not really thinking much of it. And then I. After the game, I look and it has, like, a million views, and everyone's just hating him.

[Bus]

Perfect. Yeah. Dude. Dabo Saying I'm. I don't know if I'll get fired.

[Jack]

That.

[Taylor]

I mean, that was.

[Jack]

Yeah. Which if you're Clemson now, you would want to see that because the defense just completely fumbled. But him saying that in front of the athletic director is just one of the more arrogant moves you can make and not a good move.

[Bus]

He's, like, doing this posturing game. He's in uncharted territory is what he is. This. Like. He's never had this kind of fire on him before.

[Jack]

I know.

[Bus]

And he's trying to figure out what move is the best move. And he's. He's going about it multiple different ways. And he won't just pick a lane. Like, pick a lane and stick with it. Because, buddy, you're making it look way worse.

[Greg Olson]

Stadium was so quiet.

[Bus]

Was it really crazy, do you think, though? Where's the game this year? South Carolina. Clemson?

[Jack]

South Carolina.

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Loud.

[Bus]

No matter what. No matter what. You guys have been here before.

[Jack]

We've lost 22 games in a row before.

[Bus]

Give a. Yeah.

[Jack]

What are we talking about?

[Bus]

You guys. Yeah. You guys are like. It's like a movie.

[Taylor]

You guys grab the one.

[Bus]

You think I'm not scared of this? Yeah. Got up to your head? Yeah.

[Taylor]

Bro.

[Bus]

That is crazy. Crazy.

[Taylor]

Oregon goes to Iowa this week.

[Bus]

That's gonna be a spicy game. Dan Lanning. Not going nowhere. He says not going anywhere.

[Greg Olson]

Kirk Ferent's talking to Lane beginning. Did you already.

[Bus]

Did you hear about that? I heard. There's some texts.

[Taylor]

I saw some things.

[Bus]

You don't want to. You wait to the locker room?

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

Wait till the locker room.

[Taylor]

We save that for the locker room talk. Save that for the locker room talk.

[Bus]

God. I'll tell you what, dude. Justice Hayes having surgery on his foot kind of breaks my heart.

[Jack]

The other guy balled out, though.

[Bus]

Yeah. Jordan. Dude. I mean, one thing's for sure. Michigan's gonna run the football. Run the football, play good defense. But I just. I just need that passing. And, like, I truly believe in Bryce Underwood. I just. There was four or five plays there where it's a completely different stat. Line that I was. I've already said this. I. I'm doubling down because I'm just thinking about it too much is like, that was. That should have been the game plan. Let him throw the ball. And, buddy, it's just a couple of reads, couple of misses. 20, 26, though.

[Taylor]

A M going to Mizzou.

[Jack]

Big game.

[Taylor]

That's a big game.

[Bus]

A m.

[Taylor]

Georgia Tech loss. Yeah. Yes. Oh, my God.

[Bus]

What is going on in the acc?

[Taylor]

Just.

[Jack]

They're just trying to ruin the College Football Playoff.

[Taylor]

That. I. I feel like that's a positive.

[Bus]

That's a. That's a. That's a win for the playoff.

[Taylor]

I think that's a win for the. We need ACC team to start losing.

[Matt Malone]

Loss.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

And Tech lost Louisville and Virginia won.

[Greg Olson]

So Virginia's like top 15 right now.

[Bus]

Yeah, bro. You know what, dude? If the ACC kind of messes around and everyone's kind of got like 2, 3 losses everywhere, then it works out. Could we be looking at a 9 and 3 Nebraska Cornhusker team in the playoffs?

[Taylor]

No, listen, I ain't gonna talk to that type of delusion right now.

[Bus]

Hey, it's worth a dock, right?

[Taylor]

I ain't gonna talk that time.

[Bus]

The ACC around that much. SEC is kind of beating each other up every single in every place. Like, A M's probably gonna make it. Alabama's gonna make it. Georgia's gonna make it. Who else? Texas.

[Jack]

Texas.

[Bus]

Texas.

[Taylor]

Just. We just say G5.

[Bus]

Big 12 gets the. All the best teams play each other at the end of the year.

[Taylor]

Memphis, Coswell playoff rankings. The first ones come out tomorrow.

[Greg Olson]

North Texas mean greens.

[Jack]

See, I want the head coach.

[Bus]

It's going to be interesting, boys. This next couple of weeks are going to be awesome to watch.

[Greg Olson]

It's going to be awesome. But how depressing is it that we only have three weeks left?

[Bus]

Pretty depressing. It is pretty sad.

[Jack]

I need this offseason.

[Bus]

I need it, dude. But, you know, the thing is, is, like, right after the season's over, we're all. It's transfer portal. It's. We're getting this guy. What's happening, like, that's equally as fun of a game. Taylor thinks. I. I'm not thinking. I'm hoping. I'm not thinking, bro. I truly am just, like, sitting there being like, man, if we just had. Every day. I have like a court, like a. The yarn and the pictures, everything in my room right now. You're asking for players that, if you're talking about Bryce, can't throw the football, buddy. What's that gonna do? No, no, no, no, no, no. He can throw the football. We just need like, you need the trial and error to get out there and develop a guy. Like he got in and it was like he's going to be. He's not going to be the starter to begin the year. Then this King kid gets hurt. I don't know exactly what his injury was. He's thrust into a starting role. We play very conservative early in the year when I'm thinking, hey, maybe let this kid rip a little bit, make the mistakes. He's done a good job of taking care of the football up until this game, but it's like he needs reps, dude. He's got the talent. Like he's shown at the Washington game, who's a very good football team by the way. They are ranked now. Like he can throw the football, but you just need the in game experience. That's like, you got to take advantage of that in the Northwestern game and the Maryland game. But those, those two teams aren't teams you can sleep on anyway. Good thing is we can all we have a run game that seems like no matter what is going to be successful, which is a great feeling. But we, this guy's got to get reps under his belt. We have a bye week this week. I feel good about it. I feel because the receivers stepped up this past game, they were getting open to say the least.

[Taylor]

Oh, he didn't have any tuddies.

[Bus]

No, no. Marshall had three of them. Yeah, I see all three of them.

[Taylor]

Average 7.4 yards on the ground, 25 carries, 185 yards.

[Bus]

Yeah, yeah, buddy. Bryce, I know it was bad.

[Taylor]

It was, you know, a stat line.

[Bus]

It's bad.

[Taylor]

Do you know it?

[Bus]

It's like under 50, 11 to 22 for like 130. So 50. Yeah. 132 weeks in a row of a bad passing stat line. But I'm. Dude, I'm telling you, there's things he did in that game, you're like, like he's learning, getting out of the pocket. There's a little bit of pressure on him. Looking down the field, gaining yards with his legs a couple of times. There's. I'm telling. There's four or five throws in that game. If we could just have those back. We're talking about a completely different Bryce Underwood right now. And we have a bye week, which fires me up. A lot of injuries.

[Taylor]

A lot of job openings too.

[Bus]

Yeah, but we're talking about Michigan.

[Taylor]

A lot of jobs openings.

[Bus]

What are you doing right Now I'm.

[Taylor]

Just saying a comment.

[Bus]

Okay. What's your comment mean?

[Taylor]

Just a lot of job openings. It'll be.

[Bus]

It'll be his coach signs an extension. All of a sudden he wants to start throwing. Throwing mud at me.

[Taylor]

What. What mud am I throwing?

[Bus]

I'm talking about Michigan football. And you're going a lot of job openings out there. Like, there's like 14.

[Taylor]

It'd be interesting open. It'd be interesting to see what else comes open.

[Jack]

Lane Kiffin's gonna be coaching.

[Taylor]

The Lane Kiffin joke happening right now. He's just basically coaching. Coaching for every team. I'm hearing Lane Kiffin loves it at this place. Auburn, Florida. Has he came up with Arkansas, Tennessee.

[Jack]

Oklahoma State and lsu.

[Taylor]

Would you love Lane Kiffin, Jack, if he went back?

[Jack]

That's what I was seeing.

[Matt Malone]

I'm pretty sure someone mentioned that, like the second the Tennessee game was over. It's always in question. And I'm sure a lot of Tennessee fans would.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah.

[Matt Malone]

Accept him with open arms. But I'm not ready for that conversation. Conversation one bit right now.

[Taylor]

Did hypo. Did he still have a tea time? Did he still hit his tea time this week?

[Matt Malone]

It seems like it.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Matt Malone]

That's something Chef would know.

[Taylor]

But hey, that. That was. That was crazy. Hugh, freeze. The whole tea time incident.

[Bus]

Twitter burner.

[Matt Malone]

Burner. Twitterverse is truly up there with the CIA.

[Bus]

Captain.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

Yeah. What I can't get over is you guys are having this conversation and I've just completely supported Nebraska and we'll just talk about job openings. What's going to support the boy. Support Michigan.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Taylor]

I hope you guys do well in the. If you guys go to the College Football playoff.

[Bus]

All right. Onward. Onward.

[Taylor]

Is that you? Is that what you wanted out of your Nebraska support?

[Bus]

No.

[Taylor]

For me to come fully.

[Bus]

That's what I wanted. That's what I want on my friend.

[Taylor]

But I'm just talking about, like, I'm talking about the lands to get the college football.

[Bus]

Yeah. There's a lot of job openings right now.

[Odoo Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Bus]

Unless you know who your guy is going to be. Why would you get rid of a head coach this year, bro?

[Taylor]

What happened the first time the Penn State rumor came up with coach rule? Yeah.

[Bus]

It was very clear. Like, no one's talking about Michigan losing their head coach.

[Taylor]

I'm just saying a lot of job openings.

[Bus]

A lot of job. Yeah.

[Taylor]

And that rules. What else comes over in the odds?

[Bus]

He was like plus 300 and the next big one was like plus 800. It's like.

[Taylor]

Yeah.

[Bus]

Hey, this is a real possibility. You're just muffining one out there.

[Taylor]

Yeah, I could be. I could very much be muffin in one out there.

[Bus]

Okay.

[Taylor]

Just a lot of ball left. A lot of job openings right now. It'll be interesting to see if any other jobs come open.

[Bus]

The most job openings. This has got to be the most job openings. Onward.

[Taylor]

Feel good, feel good. Great show. Big hugs, tiny kisses. We will see you tomorrow. Busting with the boys Tony V. See you tomorrow.

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Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line, but first, there the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

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