Will Compton Shaves His Head, Taylor Lewan "Daniel Jones MVP" + Greg Olsen Still Believes In Rams

Summary

Bussin' With The Boys – Weekend Recap: Will Compton Shaves His Head, Taylor Lewan’s “Daniel Jones MVP” + Greg Olsen Still Believes In Rams

Episode Date: September 22, 2025
Hosts: Will Compton, Taylor Lewan
Special Guest: Greg Olsen
Main Themes: NFL/college football weekend recap, the Michigan vs. Nebraska “Bussin’ Bowl,” charity bet fallout, deep-dive on notable games and storylines

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Episode Overview

This episode is a high-energy, deeply candid recap of a packed college and NFL football weekend. Will and Taylor celebrate the annual “Bussin’ Bowl” rivalry between Michigan and Nebraska, reflect on hard-fought games, honor a charity bet, and bring in NFL veteran Greg Olsen to break down pro action, locker room mentality, and some spicy team trajectories. Listener participation features prominently via “Tear Talk,” with fan questions about quarterback patience, targeting flags, and more.

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Bussin' Bowl Recap: The Bet, The Game, and Its Fallout

The Stakes and the Donation (02:07–05:00)

• Background: Will and Taylor bet on the outcome of Michigan vs. Nebraska; loser had to shave their head and both would make a charity donation, sponsored by FanDuel.
• Michigan wins 30–27. Will, a Nebraska fan, shaves his head and graciously accepts defeat.
• Charitable outcomes: Donations to Tennessee Local Food and Goodwill Industries of Greater Detroit, thanks to FanDuel.

Quote:
"Yeah, look, I got a bald head. I got a bald head... we got beat. 30 to 27." – Will (04:47)

Shaving His Head: Going Through With the Bet (05:08–06:00)

• Will details the aftermath at home, revealing his wife wanted him to back out due to upcoming family photos, but he insists on being a “man of his word.”
• Taylor stresses the importance of keeping promises and setting an example for Will’s kids.

Quote:
"I made a bet. I lost the bet. I gotta shave my head. It's coming off tomorrow." – Will (06:00)

Game Takeaways and Atmosphere (06:38–17:15)

• Extended breakdown of key moments and emotional swings, with both hosts alternating between football analysis and ribbing each other.
• Taylor shares how Michigan fans “booed the hell out of me” in Nebraska, reports on personal interactions with players, and discusses how close the game felt compared to the box score.
• Both hosts dive into:
  • Nebraska's surprising fight and lingering issues (e.g., sacks and pressure)
  • Michigan's drops and what the team needs to fix moving forward

Quote:
"Nebraska having the ability to go down and do that. Raiola, who's under pressure all game long, doesn't have time to breathe... still completing 71% of his passes. Massive." – Taylor (12:32)

The Rivalry’s Future

• Discussion of “Bussin’ Bowl” traditions, stickers on helmets, and how to make the matchup mean more—“Nebraska has to win at some point.”
• Both teams’ schedules, realistic season expectations, and the possibility of rematches in the Big Ten Championship.

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College Football Rapid-Fire: Surprises and Standouts

Indiana Surges, Trickery in Auburn-Oklahoma, and More (18:43–24:00)

• Taylor calls out Indiana’s shocking blowout over Illinois, highlighting the rise of quarterback Mendoza (“Heisman Dozer”), and the boys analyze a wild substitution trick play in Auburn-Oklahoma (“you can't manipulate the substitution rule for a trick play” – Will, 20:46).
• Johnny Manziel’s growth and graciousness in response to John Mateer comparisons: “That’s growth.” (22:21)
• Looking ahead to the Red River Rivalry, discussion of Arch Manning’s press conference and emotional flare-ups.

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NFL Recap with Greg Olsen (52:07–93:10)

Middle School Coaching Corner (52:07–61:16)

• Greg calls in from his car while coaching – a recurring joke. Details on his middle-school team’s progress, the importance of correcting turnovers, and building a winning culture.
• Classic football movie trope: “You gotta slit a throat, reset the standard” (60:06 – Greg, jokingly about instilling toughness).

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NFL Game Breakdown

Eagles vs. Rams (62:10–65:30)

• Greg details the Rams’ missed opportunities in the red zone and Philly stepping up late.
• Praise for Jalen Hurts’ stoic demeanor amid adversity (66:35):
  “That’s really one of his superpowers... never riding the emotions.”

Baker Mayfield Hype & Daniel Jones’ MVP Vibes? (70:41–72:40)

• Greg: “All [Baker] has done is win. His energy is infectious.” (71:44)
• Daniel Jones gets a surprising amount of support as an Indy success story.

Browns-Packers and NFL Chaos Weeks (75:00–78:09)

• Browns’ defense lauded, but offense still a question mark.
• Taylor: “There’s always a week in the NFL where everything just gets fucked up… all the good teams just randomly drop one.”

Bears, Cowboys, Chargers & League Observations (79:39–85:45)

• Bears’ offense shows life, but Dallas’s defense (“absolutely horrendous”) seems lost. “You never apologize for a win,” adds Greg.
• Justin Herbert’s emergence for the Chargers under Harbaugh. “[He] pours into them, and it shows.” (83:31)

Chiefs & NFL Outlook (92:04–93:10)

• Kansas City’s defense is championship caliber, but offensive consistency remains a must. Never count out Mahomes, Andy Reid, or Travis Kelce.

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Fan “Tear Talk” & Quick Hitters (98:38–109:29)

• Fan submissions on fan bases in "hell” (Denver/Cowboys/Titans fans) and re-evaluating patience with QBs.
• Spirited white running back debate (99:16–102:48): CMC vs. “Scatter Boo” — “That’s a thoroughbred... Scatter Boo is a miniature Clydesdale. This boy’s here to pull wagons.” (101:14 – Taylor)

Notable Moment:
Will on targeting calls: "I love the idea of a flagrant one, flagrant two — you have tears to it. In our segment, tear talk." (109:27)

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Titans Therapy Session with Jack McPherson (95:52–130:30)

• Deep-dive, often emotional, breakdown of the Titans’ woes:
  • Low attendance, poor on-field product, disgruntled fan base
  • Calls for coach Brian Callahan’s firing if things don’t improve
  • Honest frustrations: “You feel like a joke being like, I'm wasting my Sunday being here.” – Jack (113:41)
• Some optimism about rookie class and QB Cam Ward (“just a few games away from having something to believe in”—Jack, 127:09)
• Taylor compares the Titans’ lack of standard to the Dabo/Clemson meltdown
• Ongoing positivity, despite the pain: “Always tighten up, baby. Tighten up.” – Jack (125:21)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You keep your bets in this house, you keep your bets, you gotta pay your debts.”
  — Will Compton (06:23)
• “You want to talk about the game?”
  — Taylor (06:38)
• “That’s a tough pick… but you come out the next tough pick, and you get the QB draw where Bryce hits his head on the goalpost the next play.”
  — Will (13:27)
• “Losses teach the best lessons. I think this team will bounce back big time.”
  — Will, on Nebraska’s outlook (17:24)
• “Fanbases in hell?…the Giants.”
  — Taylor (99:21)
• “Scatter Boo is a Shetland pony with the legs of a Clydesdale!”
  — Taylor (102:49)
• “I'm not saying fire his ass right now, but you come back from that road stretch and it's still like this...we might have to do a public sitout of Nissan.”
  — Jack McPherson (123:02)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bussin’ Bowl Bet, Fallout & Charity – 02:07–06:00
• Game Breakdown: Michigan vs. Nebraska – 06:38–17:15
• College Football Surprises – 18:43–24:00
• Greg Olsen NFL + Coaching Segment – 52:07–61:16
• NFL Week in Review – 62:10–93:10
  • Eagles/Rams Recap – 62:10–65:30
  • Baker Mayfield/Daniel Jones – 70:41–72:40
  • Browns-Packers – 75:00–78:09
• Fan “Tear Talk” Segment – 98:38–109:29
• Titans Therapy, Jack McPherson – 95:52–130:30

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The Vibe

Equal parts hilarious, raw, and technical, this episode is a masterclass in combining deep football breakdowns with the authenticity of sports fandom pain and joy. The banter is relentless and the honesty refreshing. Real lessons about culture, accountability, and growth — all wrapped in classic Bussin’ humor (“Scatter Boo…a miniature Clydesdale!”). Worth a listen for any gridiron diehard or lover of sports talk that never takes itself too seriously.

Transcript

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[Taylor Lewan]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is the weekend recap with Busting with the Boys. A lot of exciting stuff. A lot of bets happened over the weekend. A lot of bets have now been fulfilled. But as always, Bust with the Boys is proudly presented by The1, the only FanDuel sportsbook, America's number one sportsbook, ladies and gentlemen. Listen, if you're not already, you've got to tap in with the but with the Boys. Our Thursday Night Football streams. But before the game started, make sure to check out FanDuel's Thursday Touchdown jackpot. Fandom FanDuel's Thursday Touchdown Jackpot gives you a chance at a share of $2 million in bonus bets every single Thursday of the NFL season And it's easy to take your shot place at any time. Touchdown score, bet on the Seahawks Cardinals game. Tune into the game and see if your player scores the first or last touchdown. If they do score first or last, you'll win your bet and share of of the $2 million jackpot just hit. FanDuel.com busting for more information. This is the weekend recap. This is you're, you're seeing this right now. We're going over college football, we're going over NFL and we'll also be doing tear talk, hashtag tear talk. With questions, concerns, or just comments in general over the football weekend that you like us to talk about. Boston bowl happened. Michigan won the game. We'll get into that game how we both feel about the game because I'm sure there's a lot of things in Nebraska side they'd be like, we're really happy about this. And there's a lot of things Michigan side, you can be like, yeah, we got to be better in X, Y and Z. However, the game ended up Michigan 20, Nebraska. Oh, sorry. Michigan 30, Nebraska 27. And the only question I have for my co host is, well, who won the 1997 national championship?

[Will]

The Michigan Wolverines.

[Taylor Lewan]

That's right.

[Will]

As you guys know, we decided to increase the stakes with our friends over at FanDuel and we will be making a donation with FanDuel to Taylor's charity of choice.

[Taylor Lewan]

That is correct.

[Will]

And since the Wolverines reigned victorious, we've decided to donate to Tennessee Local Food and Goodwill Industries of Greater Detroit. Tennessee Local Food is an organization that supports Tennessee's local food networks through education, resources and connections. And Goodwill Industries of Greater Detroit is an organization that offers financial literacy as a part of their surge center, assisting individuals who need additional coaching to ensure they can stay on track and manage personal and professional changes. Thanks to our friends at FanDuel for making this donation with us.

[Taylor Lewan]

Floor is yours, buddy.

[Will]

Yeah, look, I got a bald head. I got a bald head. It's a nice, I can feel the nice little breeze. All the hand placement that goes around my head is an interesting feeling because you feel the, the cooling sensation. But yeah, man, we got beat. Got beat. 30 to 27.

[Taylor Lewan]

Before we go into the game, what was the conversation like with your family, with your wife?

[Will]

Charl wanted me to back out. She's like, we got family photos coming up in a couple weeks.

[Taylor Lewan]

Did she know about the bet beforehand?

[Will]

She knew for through our content.

[Taylor Lewan]

Oh, you didn't say. You didn't sit at the dinner table and go, hey, just so you know.

[Will]

No, no.

[Taylor Lewan]

Okay. All right.

[Will]

No. And so.

[Taylor Lewan]

But she knew before the game took place that you made this bet or this bet was on the table.

[Will]

Yes, yes, yes. The night before, when we were talking about it. Yeah. She understood what was. What was at stake. And like, sweetheart, don't even worry about it. I'm not losing this hair. And, yeah, after, like, yesterday, she was like, you know, you can just back out. You just don't have to do it. I'm like, sweetheart, I know, but I made a bet. I got to keep that bet.

[Taylor Lewan]

Gotta keep that promise.

[Will]

Gotta keep that bet. She's like, I feel like you're just. You're only doing it because the shame you'd face on the Internet. I'm like, sweetheart, I made a bet. I lost the bet. I gotta shave my head. It's coming off tomorrow. Yeah, it's coming off tomorrow morning.

[Taylor Lewan]

It's a good lesson for you to teach your wife.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

And a great lesson that your kids will see. Yeah. They might not recognize you. Ru might cry, but she'll know that her dad's a man of his word.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

And that's what's most important.

[Will]

You keep your bets in this house, you keep your bets, you got to pay your debts.

[Taylor Lewan]

No doubt.

[Will]

The wife, she might. She might end up liking it. I do feel like, with this new ball look, I've got a couple minutes extra stamina brewing, and, I mean, I just feel like you just get some little extra juice in the system.

[Taylor Lewan]

You've dropped, like, 3% body fat since you got that haircut. Like, you just look. You look tighter, more put together. You want to talk about the game?

[Will]

Yeah, we can talk about the game.

[Taylor Lewan]

Also, shout out, Sunny for these shoes. Michigan gave me these dunks.

[Will]

Shout out, Sonny, just in general. Even when I went into the locker room, he had a. He had a little, like, a backpack, one of those little baggies.

[Taylor Lewan]

Oh, yeah.

[Will]

He's like, don't even worry. There's not even a Michigan emblem in this bag. Because I just wanted to give you something.

[Taylor Lewan]

I mean, Sonny's the man, dude. He really is awesome. He always thinks of the boys. We hold up that shirt that I wanted you to wear for the show.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

Fully understand why you don't wear this. But right now, there's a push.

[Will]

All to say, the only reason I don't want to wear this is. It's just. This is the true classic.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

I brought out. I got true classic. I got the chains back in action.

[Taylor Lewan]

You've changed all you need is a cubic zirconium earring now.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

And I think you'll be dialed one side only, but this. So Sonny gave me this. And this is Michigan's 1,015th win in program history. They put these stickers on the helmets when you get a win. Big block, big catch, touchdowns, those types of things. And so there's a press for them to put the bus and bowl sticker on the helmets. And I hope they go through that. That'd be really cool, because a big conversation in this was.

[Will]

That would be sick.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, it'd be sick. How do you make this. This rivalry real? How do you make this trophy game real? And the most simple answer is, Nebraska wins this game. Obviously, I'm torn, because at some point, Nebraska does need to win this game for it to be an actual trophy game. But with all the stakes, how confident I was in my team, how confident Will was in his team, it couldn't be this time. But if they were to put the stickers, put it on the helmet, it's like, okay, that makes it feel a little more real, because it's like, you know, the helmet, the sticker, the bus, the whole thing, that fires me up quite a bit.

[Will]

And just think about it, too, like, growing up. Obviously, the Buckeyes have it with their stickers.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

And. But just knowing that Michigan does these stickers on the helmet, it's just cool that, like, busing with the boys is on. Is on that Michigan helmet.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. That's awesome, because it is. I mean, people love to hate Michigan, but that helmet, the tradition that comes down, it is just so awesome. The game itself. Will, I'll let you have the floor. It was. Listen, I like to think that we handled ourselves. Game day.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

Classy.

[Will]

Yeah. Yeah, we were classy. Yeah, we were classy.

[Taylor Lewan]

We understood what was going on. Yeah. There was a level of respect.

[Will]

Both wanted to win.

[Taylor Lewan]

Both wanted to win. I think during the game, there's a couple times I walked away, I was like, you guys got to do this. Like, I'm also, like, watching the game unfold, and, like, if you guys do X, Y, and Z, I feel like you'll have more success. I did that, like, a third time, and, like, towards, like, the third quarter, and I could tell Will was not receptive. And then so I turned to him and go, I'm sorry. Because at the same time, I'm, like, trying to. I feel the game, and I'm like, I know that, you know, I have. I have this really strong feeling that Mission's Gonna be able to pull it out and pull through. And I feel like. I don't know if you felt. But like, maybe it was. You kind of felt it getting away from you a little bit as the game went on.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was those moments, especially in the second half. It's just like, you can't get gashed in the run like that.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Like, you got to get the run fits. Right. Some of it's schematic. Some of it's, you know, hey, just get it.

[Taylor Lewan]

You.

[Will]

You have a play to be made. Like, don't feel the moment around you. Be the moment. And. Yeah, too many chunk plays, too many big plays. Thought they came out. Especially in those first couple series where you go for it on 4th and 2 and don't get it. You know, your boy loves it. Like, I want the three love points.

[Taylor Lewan]

Give me the three love points.

[Will]

Notre Dame, Ohio State a couple years ago.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right. Which is exactly what you said to me on the field.

[Will]

Yeah. And then the second time around, you miss a field goal, and it's like, man, those are good opportunities just to get on the board and get out front, because we're moving the ball well, getting, you know, having the sack on third down, the first. Was it a three? Not the first drive.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. We were backed up quite a bit. We.

[Will]

Yeah, I mean, it was a good game, man. I hated that we were giving up those explosive plays. I hated that we were giving up those explosive plays. You know, there were times where it's like Michigan was. Was out physical and us at the line of scri. Image. I want to say we gave up 34 pressures on the day as an, you know, as an offensive line, because you think about, you know, we gave up seven sacks. You give up 34 pressures. You look at the stats after the game, it's like we're, you know, Dylan's still through for 300 plus yards.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right.

[Will]

It just didn't feel like it in the game. As you're watching the game.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because.

[Taylor Lewan]

Did you watch Pate's thing on Sunday?

[Will]

I. I watched his. I listened to the part where he was just talking about Lincoln.

[Taylor Lewan]

Same. Okay. I just watched the Michigan. Nebraska part. And that was his thing where, like, the stat line. You watch Dylan. I threw at the game. You're like, he threw for how much? Because there was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Will]

And, man, what else was there? And just like, you know, there was at times where you felt like Michigan could have pulled away and Nebraska took advantage of bad football being played, which is what you Want to see? It's like 30 to 27. You know, it didn't feel as close as it was, but I loved how the boys, they. Any chance that they had to get back in the game, it was happening. And then when you had the opportunity at the end of the game, like, we were still there. And then you get them into. We got you guys into what, like three third and long situations to where you guys end up converting one more Mugged up. We zone out and it's an inside zone and they get us, you know, they get a big first down, one's a screen, and Buddy is right there to make the play and blow it up. And he just doesn't make the play to where it's like you get him on the field and you might, you know, again, it would have been a drive with like, what, no timeouts or something like that. But again, you're still in the situation. You're still in position to win the game. Love the fight. Listen, it's going to suck to sit in this. Sit in this for a bye week, but you got to. You got to hope we just. We rain hell on the Michigan State Spartans.

[Taylor Lewan]

Just keeping on the subject of Nebraska. Like, there were multiple times in that game that we all looked at ourselves. I looked at the boys and I was like, this is where Michigan starts to pull away. And I think Nebraska teams of the past let that happen a billion percent. And as much as, like, you see kind of the Husker fan base kind of going nuclear about this is, this is Nebraska is what we do, like, respectfully and like, unbiasedly. Nebraska is a more talented football team at this point. That's. That is. That is just the reality. And it's not, like, meant to be disrespectful. It is just what it is. We won the trenches area, but, like, even through 34 pressures, 7.7sacks. At the end of the game, you're doing an onside kick with an opportunity like it's a three point game. And Nebraska having the ability to go down and do that. Raiola, who's under pressure all game long, doesn't have time to breathe or anything like that. Still completing 71% of his passes. Massive. Like the first drive, he's got three guys on him. 44 is in protection, breaks off a little bit. No one's got him anymore in protection. He has the wherewithal to get out of that. Throw it to him and get an explosive play down the field. Otherwise that drive is dead. That's the first drive you know, they throw a pick, he throws a pick.

[Will]

Comes out the next tough pick, and great. You know, that was a great. I want to say they were sitting in cover too, but great play by the corner.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because even when you watch that play from the side, it's like, you know, he's kind of giving him a look like he was, man, like he was going to go in maybe with. With the. With the one receiver and he just jumps on that out route. Tough pick, tough pick. And then you get the QB draw where, you know, Bryce hits his head on the goal post the next.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. And it's like, as a Michigan fan, I look at that, I'm like, okay, we. You see the talent on the field, but like, if you're gonna play Ohio State or Penn State, these team or Oregon, these are these other teams that maybe are at the same caliber level from a talent standpoint. And again, I'm not. I'm not trying to throw shade at Nebraska. It's just kind of where we're at right now. It's like if you don't call timeout on fourth down and right before the end of the half and you're taking advantage of like that. Nebraska played the ball great. That Hail Mary, it was. It was a very impressive play. But don't put yourself in that position. If it's fourth and 17, don't do a taunting because that's a three and out that ended up leading to three points. And there's also a lot of things in the field, you see like the interception, like hill, number 20, like, he keeps his footing. He catches that ball clean. That's a six, right? So there's a lot of things you look at from a mission standpoint, be like, hey, boys, this is where we got to get better. But from like Nebraska environment rule. I thought the players, like, before the game, one kid, like, walked by me and said, fuck you. And I'm like, what? What'd you say? And he goes, you heard me. And it was a little boy. He was like, I don't know, he was a little white kid. There's like four big offensive linemen around him. And I'm like, all right. And one offensive lineman came and checked me, like, you want to be on our field goal team during spring and you don't want it. Like, all of a sudden you're riding Michigan. I'm like, buddy, I went here, I went to this school. He goes, nah, man, you don't. You want to. Like, you could see like Nebraska was taking it personal. Fan bases are coming at my head. And it was awesome. It was. I walked by the student section without Will around. Like, a little small group of them see me. They start booing the. Out of me. And then I got the whole student section booing me loudly. And then goes into a chant that, we want Will. We want Will. And then Will ends up coming over, gets in the suit section. Like, there's an energy in Nebraska. And if you're in Nebraska, it's like, bro, you guys are there. You guys are there. And this is one loss, right? Like, Raiola stud. Like, you just got to figure out a way to not average 1.4 yards per carry on the ground. And you've got to protect your offensive line. You can't take that much pressure. Not moving that. Start moving the pocket, throwing. Throwing picks and stuff like that. The. And on the Michigan side, for me, it's like, there's a lot of drop balls out there that you see, and you're like, man, if we had this one, that have been awesome. And then there's a couple, like, lot of grass, kind of a little dump. He doesn't catch it. One in the back of the end zone, hits him right in the hands, doesn't catch it. And it's like, that's the. Those are the little things we need for us personally to take that next step to where we were a couple years ago. Or it's like, hey, this is a team that can't count them out no matter what. So I thought it was a great game. I thought it was great. I thought the fan base was awesome. It just. I'm. I'm happy to be sitting on this side.

[Will]

We'll see you in the Big Ten championship.

[Taylor Lewan]

I think your schedule got a little harder.

[Will]

We can play with anybody. Yeah, you just got to clean some things up. You got to fix the line of scrimmage. Gotta have a hard. It's going to be a hard couple weeks for those boys, which is a good thing. And then. Then, yeah, you just got to clean up some stuff in the.

[Taylor Lewan]

On.

[Will]

On the run. Defensive side, you gotta clean up some stuff. But as far as effort goes. And again, it's like the. You know. How did you talk about Dylan's 300 yards? Oh, how did he come up with 300 yards? How are we in the game? It's like, again, the history of the Huskers. That's not a close game.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

You end up not. You know, you have like a. The three and out, but then old buddy gets a penalty, and you go down and get three out of it. Would have loved to have seen seven if my man didn't step out of the back of the end zone.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right.

[Will]

But this is. Look, losses teach you the best lessons. I think this team will bounce back big time. And you got a. You got Michigan State at home. You go on the road at Maryland, which Maryland is spicy. It just seems they just beat the.

[Taylor Lewan]

Shit out of Wisconsin.

[Will]

You go at Minnesota, verse Northwestern at home, have USC at home, go on the road to ucla at Penn State, and then you have Iowa.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. And if you're looking at this and you just. Let's just chalk Penn State up at Penn State. It's gonna be a very difficult game. So let's just. Let's just say loss. 10 and 2.

[Will]

Yeah. I mean everything.

[Taylor Lewan]

We want everything. 11 and 1's in front of your face right now if you want it. It's just getting it done, man. Getting it done. Go ahead, Sherm.

[Sports Analyst]

Would a rematch in the Big Ten championship count as a bus and bowl game?

[Taylor Lewan]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I just. If we played the Baytown championship and Nebraska won that game, they would get the trophy.

[Will]

If we put. If there was a world where we played in preseason, we scrimmage in the springtime. That's the bus.

[Taylor Lewan]

We just sit our guys and rules like, let's go get this one. You're out there, Johnson. You're out there. Get out there, boys.

[Will]

The mini. The mini busing trophy sits in Lincoln.

[Taylor Lewan]

That pisses me off.

[Will]

They had a bus and bowl. The equipment teams played each other the night before and Nebraska took that one. Oh, they had to let it.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

I might have won the real one too.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, the. The equipment guys too. I didn't. I don't know the score of that game, but it sounded like it was a slacking. Okay. All right. Double digit, double digit, double digit, two score ball game. Yeah. Keeping your power. Yeah. Keeping the Big Ten dude on the locker room. College football locker room. I sat there and I was like, Brett B. Illinois, they are going to handle business. Indiana, I'm not so sold on them. Indiana is putting themselves in that upper middle class version of the Big Ten right now. Possibly being able to be a playoff team yet again. They beat these shit at Illinois 63 to 10 or so. Indiana or. Yeah, no, Illinois. I'm back. I'm back. Their quarterback, five touchdowns. Like, dude, and now he's the Heisman dozer. He's now the Heisman favorite. Like, I got to put that game film on and see what really happened because I'M looking at that game and it's like Illinois plus five and a half. I'm thinking about Bradley Bielema, what's always on my mind. Brad Bielema, Wisconsin 2012, Big Ten Championship. Because Will's always bringing it up. And I'm thinking this is. This is going to happen in Champaign where they just turn into that program.

[Will]

That bad, bro.

[Taylor Lewan]

It was impressive, ma', am, to see that that was, I mean, good for them. And neither one of our teams played them this year.

[Will]

Yeah, I tried tell. I was just saying too, hey, no. When Nebraska went out to Indiana last year, Bloomington on a sunny day, bro, they could work you. And that is what they did.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, it was. It was a deal.

[Will]

I think it's. It's crazy too. He's the favorite. Mendoza is the favorite now with the Heisman. That is nuts to me.

[Taylor Lewan]

Crazy. I mean, I haven't watched the Oklahoma Auburn game, but it seems like they were given a couple. Maybe John Matier didn't have the best day substitution. I did not know. I have not actually seen one snap at all from that game. I need to go back and watch it.

[Will]

That was wild, buddy.

[Game Analyst]

Apparently that was like.

[Will]

You can't use this substitution to like, you know, for deception, for like a trick play. And what they essentially did is he's coming off the field, but a receiver just sits down there at the bottom of the screen so they think he's off. Like, it's a substitution. And so nobody lines up on him and they just throw it out there to him. They get a touchdown.

[Greg Olson]

It's like a.

[Game Analyst]

Like a trick play.

[Will]

Nuts.

[Game Analyst]

Trick play.

[Will]

Like field goal.

[Game Analyst]

Yeah, he's just on the sideline and they just kind of throw it to him.

[Taylor Lewan]

They counted it. It was good.

[Game Analyst]

Yeah, but like. And then Hugh free.

[Will]

Yeah, Hugh Freeze.

[Game Analyst]

Hugh Freeze was going crazy.

[Will]

They were going apeshit, bro.

[Taylor Lewan]

Really?

[Will]

You can't do like in offensive and defensively, like, you can't manipulate the substitution rule for like a trick play.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, yeah, that. Hey, get it how you live. Get it how you live.

[Sports Commentator]

I saw the question to John Matieres, like, what's up? What's the difference between you and Johnny Manziel? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to church tomorrow.

[Will]

Did you hear Johnny Manziel on Nightcap?

[Sports Commentator]

I heard some clips, but not about. In response.

[Will]

I thought he had a very good response. I thought he had a great. What did he say about how he grew up going to church? And he's like, I, you know, I see what he's doing and you know, good for him. It's like, he's playing really good ball. Oklahoma's got an awesome football team. He's like, I think it, like, from his perspective, he's like, you know, all these years later, like, just getting to still be in conversations about what I did on the football shows, how much.

[Taylor Lewan]

Johnny did in football.

[Will]

Yeah. He's like, so that's cool. But a very humbling, very good perspective type of answer. And then giving John Mateer all the flowers.

[Sports Commentator]

There were other good clips from that.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Sports Commentator]

Podcast with Johnny.

[Taylor Lewan]

Hey, that's growth.

[Sports Commentator]

That is growth.

[Taylor Lewan]

That's growth. It seems like Johnny's found himself a new. A new layer of depth. He's just. He's really handling it well. He's getting in the world. Yeah, he knows balls. I'm sure he sits with himself a lot now because we had him on the bus and he sat there and told us, I have no regrets. And I remember sitting there just thinking to myself, buddy, you've got to. You've got to. Because you.

[Will]

You.

[Taylor Lewan]

He. He fumbled a serious situation that, like, you can never get back now. And for him to sit there and have the growth not get triggered by John Matiere's comments, like, he's gonna be all right. And that's awesome to see because you always want, you know, you want to work out for everybody.

[Will]

You want to know what's going to be fun? Is this Red river rivalry coming up? Yeah, that is gonna.

[Taylor Lewan]

I mean, Arch Manning finding himself in, like, a villain situation. Last year.

[Sports Commentator]

It was a blowout.

[Will]

Who does Texas and Oklahoma have this week?

[Sports Commentator]

I'll find out.

[Will]

Yeah, can you find that out while.

[Taylor Lewan]

He'S finding that out? Piss me off at that.

[Will]

Yeah, that was so dumb, him standing over old buddy in the end zone.

[Game Analyst]

Bro, it's a Sam Houston state.

[Taylor Lewan]

Like, listen, I.

[Greg Olson]

There's a part of him, he's trying.

[Will]

To get his powers back.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right? Exactly. You gotta way. You gotta. In his mind, he's like, I gotta get the weak to give me some power so I can go haunt other people's dreams. More powerful people. And it's like, I see it and it's like, I understand why you did it.

[Sports Commentator]

He probably looks back and is like, damn, that. That's not a good look.

[Taylor Lewan]

I think he addressed it in his press conference here. They asked him about it and he's like, yeah, my mom gave me an earful about it already. Gave me your physi. That was probably a little overboard. Like, it was very uncharacteristic of what we Believe Archer's character is. And at the end of the day, it's like, emotions. Yeah, emotions take over. I'm sure. Like, if we're just in his head for a little bit, how loud the noise is. Heisman front runner at the beginning of the season, has a bad game against Ohio State. Doesn't show a whole lot against Cupcakes. It's like he wants to get something going, and it's very difficult to, like, not show that fiery emotion when things are not going your way. Texas plays Florida and OU plays Kent State. I mean, it'll be a good test for. Honestly, Florida, Dead animal.

[Greg Olson]

I mean.

[Taylor Lewan]

I mean, yeah. Billy Naper is living on borrowed time right now.

[Sports Commentator]

They had good defense. Like, did Miami score late?

[Will]

They'll be like, yeah, Miami scored late. That was, again, another one. It's like being. When we were just being at the bus bowl and then we didn't have WI FI on the plane back, we weren't able just to keep up with everything that was going on, which. That was kind of the hard part, which was the tough part. Because you see. It's like when you see Maryland blowout Wisconsin, you see Mizzou in South Carolina playing, and you're wanting to watch that game. All these games going on, Auburn, Oklahoma, you're hearing about it. You just can't check the clips and the highlights of everything happening. That was hard. And then you're like, indiana's beating the shit out of Illinois.

[Taylor Lewan]

I wonder how. How is this going down?

[Sports Commentator]

Like, the end of the Memphis. Arkansas game was apparently Memphis beating Arkansas.

[Taylor Lewan]

Crazy, man. Because we were. It was the bus bull. While, like, that game was going on. While that game was on.

[Game Analyst]

That game, that. That was kind of. Did you guys watch any of it, or were you able to watch it?

[Will]

Which game?

[Game Analyst]

Yeah, Memphis, Arkansas.

[Taylor Lewan]

Exactly. What we'll say is, like, no WI FI in the plane. Then you get home, and it's like, Sunday. It's like family until noon. And then you got to watch NFL.

[Will]

And I'll tell you this, too. I don't know how you felt, but I was exhausted.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

When I got home, emotionally, physically, spiritually, like, exhausted, I, like, couldn't wait to go to bed.

[Taylor Lewan]

I felt great. I. Like, I was tired the next morning a little bit, but, like, my knee was hurting a little bit. My back was all tight from saying that turf the whole time.

[Will]

I'm sure all that pain would have been gone if it was the. Yeah. If I was in the winning situation, but I was just exhausted because I'm sitting There.

[Taylor Lewan]

And like, I remember sitting on the plane, like trying to contain my own excitement because I, I could see you. I was literally sitting across from you.

[Greg Olson]

I know.

[Will]

I thought you, I thought you were gonna sit back on the couch on.

[Taylor Lewan]

The flight, but at the same time thinking myself, thank God we won that game.

[Will]

I thought I was going to get to kick my legs up for the flight home. I'm trying to get comfy, like, hey, I'm just going to see her for a second. I'm going to go.

[Taylor Lewan]

And then. Yeah. And then we get a cold competition with pa. Is your right going back.

[Game Analyst]

To the Memphis Arkansas game? There was a offensive pass interference or a defensive pass interference that like flipped the game. But like the db, like he didn't turn around or anything, but the wide receiver like put his arms out and let like leveled the DB and he caught the ball for a touchdown. But they called DPI rather than opi and it was like, how is this even allowed? Like it.

[Taylor Lewan]

The.

[Game Analyst]

It was one of the worst calls I've seen in a very long time.

[Taylor Lewan]

Dude, DPI and LPR are such so weird because it's like you teach the defender, like you save yourself by turning back to the football anytime your back is away, like towards the receiver, not the ball. Like a lot of times you're gonna get called and then a receiver, it's like if, if it's a shorter throw, you got to come back into the guy to make it feel like something. So, yeah, that sucks. I want to see that play for sure. Because I mean, I thought the Razorbacks were gonna kind of be a little something this year.

[Game Analyst]

I bet on Arkansas.

[Sports Analyst]

Yeah, they, they looked good in both of their losses these last two weeks. But I mean, the offense looks good.

[Taylor Lewan]

Offense looks good.

[Will]

What happened to Baylor?

[Taylor Lewan]

Just asu, that's what happened to Baylor.

[Sports Analyst]

ASU and Baylor just cannot stop the run. We cannot stop the road.

[Taylor Lewan]

And that running back, I think he's like seven or eight in the nation in rushing right now. Yeah, like 400 something yards. Like he's, he's a stud, that Brown kid.

[Sports Analyst]

And we packed the box. It doesn't matter. Can't stop the run, right? We can score points. Our quarterback is great. And we fought to get back and tie the game with like a minute left. And then ASU just handed the ball off. Handed the ball off. The game winning field goal. So it's all right. It stings.

[Taylor Lewan]

It stings. But it's also like, as a, I guess an ASU fan, I'm like, hey, good for them getting back on track.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

Because everyone, as soon as Mississippi. Mississippi State game happened, everyone's just kind of like, all right, we're done with asu. Let's just move on immediately.

[Sports Analyst]

I got more scared as soon as I saw that game. I saw that we were up next on their schedule. I went. Because they're gonna come back with.

[Taylor Lewan]

They should have won that game, too.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

They should have beat Mississippi State and they go in zero again.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

So I know we already broke that down. JP I'd like to get your comments on Clemson versus Syracuse. Clemson lose, loses 34, 21 to Fran Brown and the boys up in the Northeast.

[Will]

Fran Brown I tried talking about earlier in the year.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

They got fined.

[Taylor Lewan]

For what?

[Football Commentator]

For injuries. For faking injuries.

[Will]

Syracuse did.

[Football Commentator]

Yeah. 25, 000.

[Taylor Lewan]

Smart. Yeah, whatever. It was probably smart, which was poor.

[Football Commentator]

Move by Cade, like, because Syracuse wiped him. And in Cade's press conference after, he, like, immediately brings up the injuries and it's like, dude, you can't point the finger if you lose by that much. It sucks because normally this would be awesome, but we've lost every single week. Clemson has lost. So. But what I will say, Dabo, you see him, like, crying on the field and everything I did.

[Will]

He did it a couple of times. Didn't he get emotional in the.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, you saw that coming to his press conference earlier in the week.

[Football Commentator]

But, dude, I'm telling you, if Clemson fires him, which I don't think they will because it's. He has a massive buyout, but if they fire him, it will send them back 30 years with their program.

[Taylor Lewan]

You know a similar comment to that was Dave.

[Football Commentator]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Dave was on Big Noon Kickoff saying the same thing. Like, you forget, like, the standard for Clemson is very high because of the success they've had in the last 10 years. But you forget where you're at before that. No one talks about. No one cared about Clemson.

[Football Commentator]

Exactly.

[Taylor Lewan]

Dabo brought you back.

[Football Commentator]

And the roster is good. So he's truly one coordinator higher away from, like, Clemson being good again. But the fans are fed up.

[Will]

Fed up. He doesn't help himself when he does. He has those quotes of like, why is our standard. Why don't you compare our standard to people who don't win nothing? It's like, bro, because you have a standard.

[Taylor Lewan]

Exactly. You're.

[Will]

You're in that category. You're in the tier one category because you are a top dog.

[Football Commentator]

He, like, he's the only national championship coach that plays a victim card hard.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

It's like, dude, you won two.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, got two of them.

[Football Commentator]

You won two. Like, you should be full ownership, full accountability.

[Taylor Lewan]

There will be a statue.

[Football Commentator]

What anybody says, because you're so confident in everything you've done. He doesn't seem confident in the things he's done.

[Taylor Lewan]

And I'm like, bro, yeah, it's.

[Football Commentator]

You're ruining your. Your tenure.

[Will]

But it's this. You. You see press conferences and the way head coaches, like, handle those things. And on one side of the coin, you have the victim or why. Why are we getting why? You know, what about the standard? The guy teams. There's so many teams out there who hadn't won anything.

[Football Commentator]

Right.

[Will]

Yada, yada, yada. And then you see it's like a coach Ben Johnson for the Bears, where he's calling out his team. We're not practicing like a championship football team right now.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right.

[Will]

That's why you're seeing the product that we have to. Where you're kind of pressing the culture and the process and everything else, because that's how. That's how psychotic you should be about what your standard is.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right?

[Football Commentator]

Right.

[Will]

And he doesn't seem to do that. I get the, hey, you want to fire me? I'll go win somewhere else. Like, if you feel the pressure and you kind of address that when you're talking about, hey, you're losing, you don't want to go to why, you know, why are you so hard on me? When there's a bunch of programs out of here who don't win a lot, it's like, bro, because you are a.

[Taylor Lewan]

Winner, you put yourself in the position to be judged.

[Football Commentator]

Right?

[Greg Olson]

You.

[Will]

You don't hit the portal because to you, it's culture, it's building. Now you have a. You're loaded roster of recruits that you have that are all juniors and seniors. Like, this is the veteran football team that you want to sit here with with Kate Klubnick at the helm. Like, this is the roster. You got the roster.

[Taylor Lewan]

And at the beginning of the year, everyone's just like this team. They're national championship caliber team. Their offensive line, their defense, they're going to be nasty. Like, no one saw this coming.

[Football Commentator]

No one saw it coming.

[Will]

No, dude. Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

Except for me and Cade.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

I thought Kate, I mean, I thought Cade was going to play better in ACC play, but now I feel for him. Like, I hate Clemson, but I also, I don't like, like to see kids just get bashed in the media.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

And you can tell it's in his head now, and it's like, oh, man, this is. You hate to see it go get even worse for him. Except for us. I hope he has one completion.

[Taylor Lewan]

You. You calling Clemson being bad this year? You to Clemson is like Will to the Chiefs. Like, eventually, you're gonna be right.

[Will]

One day I'll be right.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Like 20, 25. You guys are both right. Yeah, both right.

[Football Commentator]

I. The only other thing on the negativity stuff with, like, Dabo, how he's handled himself in the press conferences, fans, too. Like, I think it's just such a weak way out, like, when your team's doing bad to just start, like, turning against everyone else. It's. It's just. It's like a coward move, but it's. And it's way harder to remain optimistic. Like, trust the process, but that's what it takes to succeed. And everybody hates the hard way.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. So some of the things.

[Will]

The way.

[Taylor Lewan]

Some of the things that Dabo is saying. I don't. It's what I envision Will talks about. Towards the end of Bo Polini, was Bo handling it the same way as Dabo was when it was like, kind of coming to an end because you.

[Will]

Not in. Not in the victim way, but in, like, fuck you. You want to fire me? I'm standing right here.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Football Commentator]

Fire me in my face.

[Will]

Yeah. Like, with Bo, it wasn't. It wasn't this. It's like. Yeah, it's like using this victim card, Bo is almost like. Like, facing off against everybody else. For us, to where you're ready.

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You.

[Will]

You want to. You want to get out there and put a product in the field for. For Coach Bo. Bo just had like a. We're sitting. He. He get it to where it felt like you're sitting across the table from him, whether it's the fan base, national media, but it wasn't like, why is our standard this and that.

[Greg Olson]

Right.

[Will]

You know what I mean?

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

It wasn't the. Why us. There were no tears. There's no crying. Bo Polini, There were no tears.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right, Right.

[Will]

He's taking his hat off. He's got photos out there where it seems like he's swinging a hat, trying to hit a referee. The crazy Youngstown mafia. That's Youngstown, Ohio.

[Taylor Lewan]

Forever will be underrated.

[Sports Analyst]

The crazy part about Bo Pelini's firing, just looking back retroactively, is the record never lost or like, he never went.

[Will]

That's what people. That's what people are saying. If you get into this world of firing Dabo, you're going to set a program back because it's like, you look back on it, we lost games we should not have lost. And then when we were on the big stage, the Big Ten championship that I recall a lot is like, you. We would get blown out to where it felt embarrassing. So that's what the fans. That's what ultimately pushed him out. And then you see what happened after that. Because you had a really good head coach who understood culture, who understood all these things. That's kind of the. That's what you'd be doing if you're Clemson. The firing Dabo, like, yes, they are off to a terrible start. Yeah, we're starting his career there. But you look at what he's done and it's like, bro, it's. The grass ain't always greener.

[Taylor Lewan]

Imagine where. And I. I do believe Rule is the guy. Like, I think Nebraska's on a fast track to becoming a prominent program again. But imagine where Nebraska would be if Bo just stayed.

[Will]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

You didn't have to go through those other two. We probably had to go find another guy.

[Football Commentator]

Dynasty.

[Will]

Yeah, we have a dynasty.

[Taylor Lewan]

Used to be the Chiefs of college football.

[Football Commentator]

That's what I mean. It's like for certain programs and certain coaches, like, for Dabo, it's like the famous quote of, you can't think in days, you have to think in decades.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

It's like, are you going to let this one bad season? It's like Florida State, last year they wanted Mike Norvell gone. Now this year, Florida State is one of the better teams, and it's like.

[Will]

One of the better teams, and you.

[Taylor Lewan]

Might be the team.

[Will]

You're a higher two away from the whole thing turning around. As long as you got the talent on the roster, you feel good about the talent.

[Taylor Lewan]

And it's like the noise to Dabo is like, yeah, it could just truly be noise. Like, the fans could be mad. And if he just handles it differently, it could go away quickly. Even if they don't win a game the rest of the year, it's like, yeah, we up. But like, hey, let me just show you this resume real quick. Culture, Culture, Culture is going to figure this out. The next year goes the same way. Then you got to get them out of there. But, yeah, it's tough, man.

[Will]

What's going on in South Carolina?

[Football Commentator]

Whole lot of bad tackling. Oh, we had, I think a 40 grade of 45 on our tackling. We can. We didn't get to watch the game. The. The first text I see on the plane was my mom saying, Horrible game. Nothing to be positive about. That was before I even saw the score. Oh, and my mom is the opposite of me. When we watch a game, like, we could be winning 210 and have a bad place would be. Why do they do that? I'm like, mom, you just gotta. You gotta relax. But it's the tackling, dude. The tackling and the penalties. I think we had 18 penalties and still only lost by whatever it was, nine points. So it's frustrating because it's like, can you just clean up half of it and then you can find some wins.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Football Commentator]

Receivers are starting to show some promise, the younger guys, but it's the. It's all the little crap.

[Taylor Lewan]

And you. You what, you rewatch the game?

[Football Commentator]

Yeah, just like the. Not the full entire thing, but like the recap.

[Taylor Lewan]

How was the offensive line in those recap you saw?

[Football Commentator]

Yeah, that's. I guess I forgot to mention we had negative, like 20 rushing yards.

[Taylor Lewan]

So not great.

[Football Commentator]

Yeah, yeah. Negative 20 rushing yards, 18 penalties. All these things in. Lost by. And we were winning going into the fourth quarter, which is just in my head. I'm like, okay, we're that close. Like, if you fix one of these things, we're winning these games.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right, Right.

[Football Commentator]

And so it's tough, though, like. But it's the same thing. You gotta. You gotta trust the culture. Like, you can't just lose your head and you just gotta trust. Beamer has the locker room still fired up. You make October magic. Everybody forgets about September.

[Taylor Lewan]

We. We sat on the locker room with Josh Pate and we were talking about the Utah Texas Tech game. And Josh was like, wouldn't it be awesome if one of these teams blow out the other? So it gives like, the big 12 more of a, hey, this is our team. Possibly. Well, it happened this week. Texas Tech won 34, 10 versus Utah, and they did it in, what, three quarters with their backup quarterback. And so do we believe in Texas Tech now? Is the question, is Texas Tech a contender? Are they the obvious Big 12 team, are they gonna do anything in the playoffs? And you're a Big 12 guy, so that's why I'm kind of looking at you.

[Sports Analyst]

The thing that I will say about Texas Tech that they have, that they have never really had before is a defensive line. And Texas Tech has always been able to put up points. Their wide receivers are scary. Their backup quarterbacks putting up numbies. Like, offense looks great, but their defense looks really strong. And a lot of people were talking about that Utah quarterback going into the game. They had that Guy in a blender. The entire game, I can't remember his name to save my life. The Dampier. Yeah. Was playing super solid going into that game. And then he just looked lost against.

[Will]

I mean, he was there. He is their best player. Lee leads every game in passing and rushing for them.

[Taylor Lewan]

Oh, yeah.

[Will]

Very salty player. And.

[Sports Analyst]

And Tech's defensive front is just strong this year. Their linebackers are swarming. Utah could not do anything offensively. And so that's what scares me about Tech, because you. Let's say a team like Iowa State, a team like Baylor that can put up points, but do they have that defense? And I don't think they do. And I think you need that going into the playoffs and playing some of these SEC teams that, like, we saw with Auburn versus Baylor, they threw the ball nine times.

[Will]

You're going to need it against any of these teams that come out of the power four conferences. It's like acc. Their. Their top guys with Miami and Florida State, Georgia Tech. I know is in the conversation, being up there, like, you're going to need a. Like, as much of a complete team as possible because it's not going to just be shootouts all the time. Yeah, you had Big Ten with like, Oregon, Ohio State and Michigan and Nebraska. Then in the sec, you got what? You got Georgia, you got Tennessee potentially. Bama. Who else in the SEC? Van.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Missouri.

[Will]

Put up 70. Missouri.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Be the team.

[Will]

They look really good.

[Taylor Lewan]

To. That conversation I have with Cade where he's like, if we win the national championship, you gotta take the offensive line and Diego to Vegas.

[Sports Analyst]

You say yes?

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, I said yes.

[Football Commentator]

Their LSU game will be mad.

[Taylor Lewan]

I looked at him in the eyes. I said, buddy, I have a lot of respect for you, and I've been where you're at of, like, seeing your team and believing. I was like, I'm telling you, from the outside perspective, you don't have the team to win an extra championship.

[Football Commentator]

He told everyone that right after, too.

[Taylor Lewan]

I'm sure. I was like, buddy, you guys just. I. I love you.

[Sports Commentator]

Your photo's in the locker room.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. My photos in the locker room. It's like.

[Football Commentator]

And I think LCU games this week.

[Taylor Lewan]

Though, like, they gotta win that. That Michigan bet, because I'm gonna have to pay. That's a lot of money to pay for those boys to go to Vegas.

[Sports Analyst]

Their schedule is.

[Taylor Lewan]

Is nuts.

[Game Analyst]

They have a hard.

[Sports Analyst]

Their schedule is hard.

[Will]

How are you feeling about Michigan for the rest of the year?

[Taylor Lewan]

I went back and looked at their. Their schedule. I feel Very strong. About a 10 win season. I think, like Maryland's on the schedule. That looks pretty spicy. I think we're going to learn a lot about them in a few weeks when they go to usc because they have to go on the road again. Oh yeah, USC seems to have, they have, have a lot of like, potential in there. But for me it's like, I love to see the passing game and I feel like we're still. Paquel had a great take on this. Like, I think we're still seeing like 60 to 75% of what Michigan could be, what it really is. They're still like figuring out who they are. Obviously they're a very run dominant team. They're good at running the ball. They do a great job of like basically holding the control of the game on the defensive side of the ball and the opposite side of the ball. But I personally, I would love like seeing Bryce in the Flashes. Like, I've, I don't think I've ever been so excited to watch a college football player and I'm just waiting for that game where it's like he's just dicing them up from a vertical, like from a throwing standpoint. That's what gets me excited. So the, the result of this year, I could definitely see 11 and 1, 10 and 2. A lot of things like we have to, our gameplay has to get better. But like just taking this game like on the road, like, you leave a lot of points on the board, you give up a lot of points to just bad football and bad game management and certain situations that can all be corrected. You don't have your head coach. So there's a lot of things you look at and be like, okay, no, this is not being rude. They're not trying to be like, that game's a, a lot closer than it should have been. And if we clean up these things, it's how it, how the, the score should have been. You know what I'm saying? So we got a bye week. Great. You got Wisconsin at home, which is awesome. But then you go on the road to usc. I'm hoping when you're in almost the middle of Spooktober, you're sitting there and you watch them play against usc, like, that's the team. Because you see against Central Michigan, you did a team that's on the rise, Nebraska, like, you go and handle the game, you win the game, but you dominate in a fashion that's like, hey, if you take that away, what do we have? So if I could see a more well rounded offense. That's what I'll like be like, hey, maybe this year is the year because I think the difference between. You could speak for yourself, but just the game of the Michigan, Nebraska, everyone in Nebraska is like, year three rule. This is the year. This is where we completely turn around and go. Like to me it's like I love the foundation that Michigan's at right now and I love where they could be, you know, in the very near future. Like, I think this portal year is going to be so important about like know what you're, know what your issues are and just attack it. Like, you have the fund, you have the Money, you're getting $50,000 from busing. Like that's a, that's a kicker. Get you a kicker, right? Hey, babe, that's for you boys right there.

[Football Commentator]

Y' all gotta kick.

[Taylor Lewan]

I saw him too before the game. I go, best player on the team. He's like, stop. Like, bro, I'm serious. Like, you are elite. It's unbelievable. But he'll be in the NFL next year. So I just look at it, I'm like, bro, you could go and throw some crazy money around and get some elite wide receivers that might not be used the correct way. Right now. There's one in Texas.

[Sports Analyst]

Charge it to the game.

[Taylor Lewan]

Charge it to the game.

[Will]

Here is, was it Haynes or Justice? Hey, Justin.

[Taylor Lewan]

He is a junior. He is a, he is a player, bro. Because I saw the Big Ten, he's leading the Big Ten by over 100 yards in rushing. And I was like, wonder what it is. Nationally, it's four. Nationally he's tied for fourth. And then there's like two smaller schools. One kid's got like 700 yards or something like that.

[Will]

But that kid is a hell of a player.

[Taylor Lewan]

He's incredible.

[Football Commentator]

He's gone for over 100 every game, every touchdown.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, 100. Yeah, he's a junior. And I love that all the reports about this kid is like, he's intentional about what he eats. He's intentional. But he's like a no nonsense guy. Even in the locker room after the game, like, bro, you bald. He is. Appreciate you. Like he's, he's already thinking about recovery. The next thing. Like that kid is a true pro. And then it's. But it's like, then you got Marshall who's a five star who broke like a 70 yarder in that game. Like he is a sophomore. I believe he's a soft like, so it makes you feel good. And then we just got the number one running back in this class, coming in something hitter. I forget his first name is his last name. Yeah, but like he's like he's another kid you look at and in high school you're like, we're doing it again. Like, like good running backs. And like this off. It's a line too. Like Evan Link, the left tackle. He wasn't supposed to be the left tackle starter. It was Babalo who was going to be. He hurt his knee. They were really high on him and he's done an amazing job. Like Crippin, the center. Like after the game, we're seeing the locker room and they go, the best game you've ever played. Like, you see that they are gaining confidence. It's so similar to last year. Like a lot of question marks on the offensive line. They drop one early like they did against Texas last year. They did the same thing against Oklahoma and you're like, oh, what is the offensive line? Well, they're just getting better and better and arguably our best offensive lineman's been hurt for last couple of games. So I have. I'm. To answer your question, as long winded as I always am, I feel very strong about the season.

[Will]

Yeah, I think you, like, if I was, if I was like observing and judging Michigan. You guys just need more consistency in your drives.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

You know what I mean? It's like you guys pop big ones, right? Like, I could see like if I'm on Nebraska's defense, like when I was with Tennessee and Dean Pease, he'd always come in and put together the explosive plays back these five runs right here, came up with 200 yards right. You. And they talk in a way of like, you get this off the board. You play consistently in the run game like we have, we're in a much better position as a defense, but we can't give up the explosives. It's. If you guys can put drives together and then get, you know, three or seven out of these drives and then you're, you're. You have that with popping the big ones because I feel like it's like the offense felt like it gets stagnant at times and a lot of it too is just dropping the ball.

[Taylor Lewan]

I know, I know.

[Will]

Like, you guys are, you guys are good. You guys are solid along the line of scrimmage. You got a hell of a running. You got a future superstar of a quarterback. As long as he just continues to plays, as long as he continues to play his game, doesn't try to force the issue if he feels like he's in A in a moment to where he's got to make a play and he'll kind of throw it up to the defense. He's really good. But again, you're, you're. It's like the, the talent on the outside, just catch the ball.

[Taylor Lewan]

I know. Well, I mean, yeah, you go back to the game, it's like, defensively, it's just discipline. Yeah. Well, there was a lot of broken plays because of how much pressure was taking place. Like when we, when we were getting to Raiola, he gets out and at that point, like the, the perfect one is the, the first dry, like 44, like, leaks out to the side. There's no one there because everyone's so far downfield at this point. So he's been in protection and it's just like, yeah, you've got to do a couple of things. But I, I was very. I loved the defense. I thought the defense played incredible. I thought they did a lot of, like watching Emmett Johnson, the three weeks with you, Cincinnati game, you pop on to Akron or, you know, Houston Christian, you pop in those games like you watch Emma Johnson, not one guy is making the tackle on him. It's a, it's. He gets tripped up, then a guy comes in and saves the day. And I thought Michigan did a great job in space getting the guy to the ground. Whether it's 5 yards, 6 yards, 7 yards, he's getting the guy to the ground, which I was really proud of. And then on the, the drop standpoint, you're right, like Samaj. I loved him and I loved his attitude before the game. I love him as a person. He just had two drops in this game. At least two drops. Goodwin, the number nine, in the back of the end zone early in the game. Like, that's a well placed ball by Bryce. That's. That should have been a touchdown right there. Donovan McCully, number one, he has that deep pass where they ended up calling incomplete. They watch the replay and everyone's on the sideline going, if he's wearing white cleats, that's, that's, that's a catch. And if it's called the catch, it's probably a catch. That's how, like, close it was. So you see it as a Michigan fan being like, bro, we're right there. Because you're right. There's a couple, three announce and there's an explosive play. But then the fourth quarter, we go down, take nine minutes off the clock, 12 plays, and have a couple of good throws in there, Sustain good drive, just running the ball consistently. It's like that's where we need to be. Like go back to being the boa constrictor where you just like, unfortunately, you just force teams to quit because they can't get the ball when they do. There's that defense on the other side that just goes nuts. Because as the game's unfolding, you look at the time of possession, like Nebraska was like 25 minutes to like 15 at one point. Like it was.

[Will]

Yeah, Nebraska dominated in the time possession because you guys would pop those explosives right?

[Taylor Lewan]

Like you we. They went down and got three or a touchdown or Nebraska did. And you go to take a piss, you come back, Nebraska's got the ball again and then we scored seven.

[Will]

Yeah, I dig. Somebody wanted me to visit somebody on the fence, buddy. I go and visit somebody on the fence and take. Do the picture thing and then I'll come back. They're like, hey, you don't want to see what just happened? And I'm like, what the.

[Taylor Lewan]

I know. And it's like you look at, I might be a little pink. Will might be a little pink. It's like we sat on the Michigan sidelines because it was way less people and the other side shaded and we're literally just not going over there because I don't believe besides the two teams, there was anybody in that stadium that cared more about that game than you and I. I truly and maybe even more than some of the players. You know, some of those guys were dressed, but they knew they weren't playing. Will and I were sitting there every single play going in. We got Greg Olson. Let's fucking go.

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[Greg Olson]

What'S up, boys?

[Taylor Lewan]

How we doing? Babe in the car.

[Greg Olson]

Sorry, I had a meet this Monday thing, man. I'm committed. Trust me, I'm committed to this segment. I look forward to it. My Mondays have been totally crazy. I had to fly to New York for a meeting. But I'm not missing this with the boys. So we're gonna have to do it from the car today. Hopefully you can hear me good. And let's rip.

[Taylor Lewan]

I love it, Greg. Well, listen, let's. We can. We're gonna move past the fact that your flight didn't work out last week. You left the boys. It's all good because we're all about adversity around here, dude. We, we handle it. We take on the chin and we keep moving forward. We keep moving forward. Board. Talk to me about eagles and Rams.

[Will]

Can I just open up my first question? I want to know how his team did when they came back from their little, their little break.

[Taylor Lewan]

This is the first game back. They had the bye week last week.

[Will]

I know, but I want to know how, how is tempo? How was practice? Did they hit the field like you wanted to see him?

[Taylor Lewan]

That's the most important thing.

[Will]

Was it, was it a down week? Did you have to correct them after the practice? Like, hey, we ain't coming out here just to fiddle our thumbs. We need a sense of urgency.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I think, I think, I think you're spot on. I think maybe the first practice returning last Monday, maybe a little. We had to get on him a little bit just to get the blood flowing a little bit, get the juices going, get back in the groove. I thought Tuesday we had a really good day. Wednesday Review day before the game. We had a really good day Wednesday night. Did a nice video. We do it via Zoom. Did a nice late night team video session. Corrections from the week in practice. We record all of our practices. So we did a little. Did a little team correction, did some game review stuff from former weeks to just clean, clean everything up. And then we. I wouldn't say we played great. We played well. We won 20 to nothing. Defense played really well. Team we played had some good player.

[Taylor Lewan]

Oh, we're losing them.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, I would say we played. I would say we played well.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Okay, good. Not great is what you'll put on the. You'll put on.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I want us to be more dominant. Like, I want us to be more assertive. It took us. It was only six nothing at half. Couple turnovers. That's been a problem for us this year. We got to get cleaned up. But defensively we played really well, which was exciting.

[Taylor Lewan]

I love that.

[Will]

Say that again, Mitch.

[Game Analyst]

Greg, you played my buddy from college, you played his team this past week.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, really nice.

[Taylor Lewan]

What was in the team, Mitch?

[Game Analyst]

I don't know what, what high school or middle school he works at.

[Greg Olson]

So the program that we played, their high school team, so it's called Providence Day School. They're right up the road from us to their credit, like, I give credit where credit's due. They've got a really good football program. Like their, their high school is loaded. They produce a lot of really good college kids. They're. If they're not the best team in the whole state, they're one of the top handful. They do, they do a good job. So I, you know, give credit where credit's due. So it was a good win for us. They're a good football school. They take football serious, as do we. And it was, it was a game that we wanted to win.

[Taylor Lewan]

Is it too early in the process, looking at these middle school kids? Because like, like, you know, testosterone is now finally getting to the body. You're seeing these kids develop. Are you looking at any of these kids on your roster going, this kid's D1. This, this kid's going the distance possibly.

[Greg Olson]

You know, there's kids that have those qualities, like, there's kids that have those, you know, characteristics. What's so hard about the middle school is, you know, these kids are 13, 14 years old that some of the really big ones and we don't have a ton of these on our team. But like, as you look around the league, the really big early bloomers, you ask yourself, like, all right, how much more are they going to grow? And then some of the other kids that are more on the early side, you say, hey, they've got a lot of good qualities, they're good players. How big are they going to get? So I think football is just so hard because even if you have the skill sets, even if you show those qualities of being a good receiver, a good defensive back, as you guys know, so much of the game and opportunity at the higher level is just how big are you, how tall are you, how much do you weigh, how fast you run? And I think at 13, 14 years old, it's, it's hard to predict for most of these kids what they're going to look like at 17.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, yeah. We ran into that problem when I was playing for the Scottsdale Shockers. We had a kid named James Reyna. I have no idea what he's doing to this day but he was about five six, five seven and he was like eight years old. He was like a tall eight year old. He could run the hell out of the rock. Fast forward to him being a senior in high school. I, he's the same height so that you always, you always got to be cautious about giving out a green flag. Hey, this kid's going to be the one. He's going to be the absolute one.

[Will]

What is the, what's the scattering report we got on this, this upcoming game this week for you guys? What are the team keys to success?

[Greg Olson]

So number biggest focus today. So I'm literally on my way back to my airport. I'm back to the airport to fly home to get back for practice. There's no days off, boys. You know the deal. So we got our first Monday, this our first practice back after last week's game. We give the kids the weekends off. We've gotten a little soft in today's middle school. We should practice seven days a week. But anyway, our biggest thing is we've got to clean up like our stuff. We, we've turned the ball over six times at three games too, too many. We've got to protect the ball. We got to get back to our basics. The one thing our kids do and I've told you guys how much we value this and our kids have answered the bell. We play extremely hard. Our kids play fast. They run to the ball, we tackle, we block, we finish like all the things that we stress, we've done, we've. Our kids have really answered and done a good job. We need to play cleaner ball. We got to protect the ball. Assignments it's early in the year. They're young. All of our effort going forward these next couple weeks is going to be like, we got to clean up our ball. It doesn't matter who we play. It doesn't matter what they do. If we clean up the little stuff that we can control will be hard to beat.

[Taylor Lewan]

It's got to feel good sitting undefeated and knowing all the issues you have and they're all internally fixable things. It's not a talent issue. Talk about six turnovers in three games. What is the total turnover margin you guys got going on in your team?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So I'd say we're probably even. We four, six mix of fumbles and picks. So I think for the season, we're even. The last time I ran the numbers, I think we're six and six. So I feel pretty good defensively about taking the ball away offensively. Got to have a little bit more. A little bit more focus in that area.

[Will]

Now, when you're, you know, when you're coaching these middle schoolers, Coach Greg Olson, is this a situation to where you challenge the offensive players to carry a football around school hours? During school hours, this seems like a prime. I want to see you carrying the football anytime I see you.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Locker room, bathroom, doesn't matter. And guys are going to come trying to knock it out.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. It's like remember in the. Member in the. In the program.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

You guys remember the movie the Program, when he carried the ball around? They knocked it out in class and they started like a riot down the stairs recovering the fumble.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

I feel like we might need to. I don't think our kids are ready for the program. You think we can watch the program with middle school kids?

[Will]

I think so. I think there's a situation where you get your running backs and quarterback carrying the ball around and they might see Luke Kuechley down the hall. And you better protect yourself because Keakley, he's going to get the ball out.

[Taylor Lewan]

That's. That's the biggest thing is making sure that you and Coach Keakley are at. At the school. I don't know how often you're inside those hallways, but if you could somehow dress down to look like a middle school kid and just kind of walk up and punch that thing out. You get that on video. Put it in a team meeting by boys. Do you think this is how we're going to be successful? No. On the line. Everybody outside right now.

[Greg Olson]

I'll be honest. I like it. I think you're on to something. I You know, every once in a while, you gotta. We used to say you got to slit a throat. You know, every once in a while, you got to slit a throat. You got to reset the standard. And I think carrying the ball around and then. And then hiring people throughout the course of the day. Like, can we get different teachers in on it? Can we get the administration at the school, the principal? Can we get them kind of come punch, peanut punch, rip the backside point, make sure the front tips are higher than the back. Like, can we make sure we test them throughout the entire day, going between math and science? And make sure there's a good. Cup the wrist. When there's traffic, we get two hands on the ball.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Maybe no better way to do it than in the hallways. I think you're onto something.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. You gotta get. It's gotta be a whole team thing, especially when you talk about how small your school is. We don't have a lot of kids in there. Not everybody just gets into that. Okay. Teachers, administration. If you're gonna be like that, then we gotta make sure we're all kind of carrying the flag, is making sure our football team is as good as possible. Because the standard is the standard. You guys have set one. Are we ready to move to the less important NFL?

[Will]

We can move to the NFL. I do need a pregame speech from Coach Olson, being like, hey, gentlemen, every once in a while you got to slit somebody's throat.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

This game's the game.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

You know what I mean?

[Taylor Lewan]

I need.

[Will]

I need that line in there with a bunch of middle schoolers and maybe.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Kick the parents out of the locker room. Get out of their parents. Take the juice boxes and the oranges. They'll get it when they earn it. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. I'm not sure if I. I'm not sure if I can use that line. It's a Christian school. I think I do.

[Taylor Lewan]

We'll.

[Greg Olson]

We'll tone down the pregame speech. That's. That's me and you. That's you and I.

[Will]

Okay.

[Taylor Lewan]

No one watches this show anyway. No one's gonna see that. So it's all good.

[Jack McPherson]

It'll work out.

[Greg Olson]

Like in the locker room. We gotta be a little bit more age appropriate with our messaging. Sometimes I lose my mind a little bit, I'll be the first to admit, but I at least am trying.

[Will]

Yes.

[Taylor Lewan]

That's all that matters.

[Will]

All you can ask for. Well, let's get to the NFL.

[Taylor Lewan]

So the game you called was the Eagles and the Rams. Eagles end up winning that game. 33 to 26. The score doesn't tell the story. Story, right. Rams have 26 at half. They have 2016 in the game and they hold what. They hold the Eagles to what, 40 yards of offense in the first half. Like tell me, give me your bird's eye view of how this whole game went down. And finally the Eagles just go, fuck it, let's take over.

[Greg Olson]

Yes. I think it came down to two things. I think it came down to in the first half they asked Jalen Hurts in the offense to do virtually nothing in the passing game. And exactly why, I'm not exactly sure. I think the Rams had a chance to put the game away. They had multiple red zone trips, multiple field position advantage that they settled for field goals at the final part of the game. You know, they were 4 for 6 with field goals, obviously the last two being blocked by Philly and obviously won the game. So settling for field goals I thought was a huge issue. I thought a couple times they could have been more aggressive, couldn't put the game away. And then Philly in the second half put the game and put the ball in the hands of Jalen Hurts. He played really well. They settled down some protection issues after they lost Lane Johnson. They put in Fred Johnson who was the second, he was the second backup right tackle. So you factor. He's the fourth right tackle on the team. Did a really good job in the second half settling them down and protection and they started throwing the ball to A.J. brown and Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddard and. And then obviously the two big men inside blocked two field goals on back to back possessions of the Rams and they were able like they, they've done now 19 out of 20 times in a row. They've found a way to win even if they haven't played their best ball.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Do you think that the. There should be any concern on the Ram side? Because I think the from the NFC standpoint like people looked at the Rams is like a, maybe a tier 2. And now as we get a little farther in season, obviously the score didn't go the way they wanted. But you're watching the first half of that game, you're like, oh, are the Rams like, like number two to the Packers? Obviously the packers dropped. We'll talk about that. But like if you're the Rams, if you're Sean McVeigh, what is your message to the team at this point?

[Greg Olson]

I think the Rams are pretty good.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

I know yesterday's. I think it's a tough loss and I know they're Flying back, you know, to the west coast, just gutted that they let that game slip away. But I think you take a step back and you say for most of the game, we, we did exactly what we wanted to do. We didn't finish in the red zone. And they got stopped on a fourth down try. In the third, fourth quarter, they got stopped on a fourth and one. They ran it right up the middle and didn't get it. So I think if you're the Rams, you're saying, I've got a great defense, I'm really good up front. For most of the game, we played well. And offensively, if even one of those red zone possessions, we don't settle for a field goal and we end up converting there inside the, you know, goal to go situation with a touchdown, we win the game. So I think early in the season, a coach like McVay is pulling out all the positives. He's pulling out all the good. And I think when you watch them and we, you know, we saw it unfold in live, you know, live timing, like they're pretty good. They did a lot of really good things. They just have to find if you're going to beat a team like Philly, you have to put them away early because if you let them hang around, they've proven to be really hard to beat.

[Will]

Right. Especially being able to out physical you in the second half, it's kind of. It's like if Philly and last year it was Philly in the Lions. You get in the second half of that team, that offensive line, the physicality of the game, they'll start to lean on you and take over. What, what was your make? There's a clip going viral. I feel like right now of Jalen hurts his reaction after Philly blocks a field goal and they take it back to the house like again, that kick right there. Rams make it number one. So sad for all the betters out there. As far as Rams bet on the Rams. Rams, what was it? Plus two and a half.

[Taylor Lewan]

It was actually three and a half. So we were right there.

[Will]

So matter if you make the field goal or not, you're like, oh, Rams covered.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, they might win this game as money, baby.

[Will]

And they just got one blocked the possession before. It's like, surely this is going to happen again. Yeah, they block it, take it back to the house. They lose the COVID But Jalen has this, this reaction, whether it's a stoic reaction to where he's, you know, he's not like celebratory. What what do you make as somebody who played the game? And you watch that reaction go down of a clip that's just going viral and everybody's having a take on it.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I think that's what we've come to see from Jalen Hurts. He's not a, he's not going to ride the emotions, good or bad, of the game. I think it's kind of part of his play style. I think it's what it's allowed him to weather what he has in his college career and the ups and downs he went through there and the adversity. And now, obviously, with what he's accomplished in the league, I think that even Keel, he's never the biggest personality and he's never at the first half. He could have just packed it up and went home because they were struggling so bad. I think that's really one of his superpowers. So I don't ever expect him to show a lot of emotion. I don't think it's who he is. I don't think it's his style and I respect him for it. I think that is such a good quality out of the leader, out of the quarterback, things are going to go bad in the league, things are going to go good. But just knowing that your quarterback is just always going to be the same guy and you're never going to be able to tell the score based on his body language. I think we all wish we had a little bit more of us. I know that's not a strength of mine, but I, I, I'm impressed by Jalen and, and really just his whole demeanor and the way he's handled himself, I give him a lot of credit.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

When you're angry, when you're covering, when you're covering the game, like, do you feel like the Rams were able to expose something offensively with the Eagles? Like, when you watch the Eagles and you talk and people talk about how do you beat the Eagles, how do you make, is it, is it jailing through the air? Is it making them one dimensional? Obviously you want to stop the run with Saquon Barkley, but from your vantage point, what do you see when you watch the Eagles? If you're an opponent watching their tape.

[Greg Olson]

When the Eagles are at their best, which I think was the second half of yesterday, it was a combination of, you're always going to want to get the ball to Saquon. Right. The run game is always going to be a key element. Anytime you're talking about a team, you know, running back that good and obviously with the offensive line that Philly has. But I think when they go too heavy with Saquon and it becomes so overly run game, I think is when they get out of whack. So I think in the second half it became a mix of Saquon, a lot more pass, a lot more play action, drop back stuff, get the ball to A.J. brown, one on one on the outside and test these corners, hit, you know, Devonte Smith in the slot on a lot of these corner option routes, third down conversions, fourth down conversions like they did. And then I think activating Jalen Hurts as a designed runner. We've seen him, you know, the first two games especially he didn't have a designed run call for him, it was all scramble and improv off of the pass and he's super effective, super hard to get on the ground. Yesterday we saw them start activate more quarterback designed runs. So you factor all of those aspects of the offense into the same game and now you're a real challenge to beat both schematically. And then you look at all the positions and you've got a lot of really good players. So that's why I said if I, if I'm the Rams and the challenge that is this Philadelphia Eagles offense, I think defensively I feel pretty good. You just wish you can get one of those red zone possessions back. But they're a talented team with good coaching. They play situational ball as good, if not better than everyone else and that's why they're just hard to beat.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, yeah. I feel like the Rams, they are built in a way to match up against the Eagles really well because they have two elite wide receivers on the edge and they, you, you brought this up during the game is drive to drive in the, in the, in the first half you see the offensive play calling change from a run standpoint. Like a lot of times the first drive we're talking about a lot of outside zone. We're attacking the perimeter quite a bit. The next drive there, the Eagles have made their adjustments. Now we're hitting you with gap scheme, inside zone stuff and allowing the run game and the scheme to kind of play for them. So I think they do they match up well and I hope, I hope we get to see them in the playoffs transitioning a little bit. Well, not a little bit to a different game. Bucks beat the Jets 29, 27. Obviously if you're the Buccaneers, you're three and oh, you feel good about it, but you just beat it as a close game with a Jets team that Has a quarterback hurt. What do we have to say about Baker Mayfield at this point? He's got three game winning drives in three games. He's won the division, what, three times now? Four times. Like, are we ready to put Baker Mayfield in the prestigious generational talent category?

[Will]

MVP conversation.

[Taylor Lewan]

Oh, my God.

[Greg Olson]

Tell you what. I don't know if you could feel better for a guy who's over. You talk about adversity and dealing with stuff. I mean, what a job he has done. I mean, he was left for dead in the league. Gets his opportunity to go to Tampa, post Tom Brady, fill those shoes, expectations. Todd Bowles takes over as the head coach, and all he has done is win. All he has done is find ways to lead that team. I think his energy, I think his play style is infectious. You just can't help but root for guys like Baker. And I think it's really a testament to how important fit and belief of the organization is for the quarterback position. I mean, we're seeing it with Daniel Jones right now. I mean, everyone wanted to throw him out of New York the last couple of years, and now all he's done is go get a fresh, you know, fresh life, new birth in Indianapolis, and he looks like a different player. So fit is so important. A team believing in you, empowering you to be their leader. And that's what Todd Bowles, that's what Tampa has done with Baker. And I think he deserves all the credit that he's getting for the job he's done there. And I'm happy for him.

[Will]

What else? I was kind of just in awe, thinking to myself, hey, can I just.

[Greg Olson]

Can I just say what's obvious and I'm sure you guys have talked about it.

[Will]

Go ahead, Will.

[Greg Olson]

Will you have a great bald head?

[Will]

Oh, thank you, Craig. Thank you.

[Greg Olson]

I appreciate that. There's a lot of, like, I couldn't be like, I'm balding, but I couldn't be like a bald bald because I have a gigantic head. You have like a good shaped head to be bald.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, he really does. And they got Will.

[Greg Olson]

Pop, I'm being serious. I think you look really good.

[Will]

No, I believe you. I appreciate those words. Stronger.

[Taylor Lewan]

He. Yeah, he, he looks tougher. Like, I think he dropped 3% body fat.

[Greg Olson]

I've got grittier.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, he got grittier. What is the game plan if you ever do go ball? Greg, are you gonna have fun with it for a little bit? Do the cul de sac? Are you just gonna bick it and move on? You're gonna go to Turkey, like, what's the move there?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, it's a great. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. This is a question that I've had. This is a, this is a thought that I've worked through internally. You're, you're, this, you're putting me on the spot, but it's not the first time that I've had these thoughts. That's a great. I don't know. My, my concern is it's not like a vanity thing. Like, I'm not a huge, like, worried about what I look like. I very rarely even comb my hair. I just don't know if I'd be a good bald guy because my head is so big. So, like, that would be a pretty jarring transition for me. Can we, can we plug it up? Can we get some implant? I don't know. I think all options right now are on the table. I just turned 40, and I don't know if I have a clear favorite right now. Leader in the clubhouse.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. Turning 40, though, I feel like at this point it's like, yeah, it'll probably fit more and more as you go, but by the time you're 60, it's like, do we really care anymore?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. Oh, it doesn't matter. No, it doesn't matter.

[Will]

Knowing you're 40 and you got that head of hair, whether or not it's fading or thinning, whatever it is, I feel like you're going to be pretty solid for the next decade.

[Taylor Lewan]

And being.

[Greg Olson]

I'm hanging on. I'm hanging on for dear life. I'm really good, like, sides and back, you know, helmets, hats, front gets a little abras, you know, a little abrasion there in the front. The follicles probably aren't as thick as they once were.

[Will]

The follicles, man.

[Greg Olson]

But it's a lot. It's a lot of helmets. A lot of days with the boys grinding in camp. Probably lost a few, few follicles over the years, you know, you know how that goes. Although, Taylor, you got great hair, too.

[Taylor Lewan]

Thank you. Yeah, I gotta give that love generational hair. Dave Lewan. My, my daddy's 62, 63 years old, and he, his hair is just as thick as Minus to this day. He's just a silver fox.

[Greg Olson]

What a gift.

[Taylor Lewan]

We were at, we were at ESPN this weekend, and it's the conversation. My father came up in my hair and I showed the makeup lady my father and she said, I would date your father right now. I said, how old are you? She goes, I'm 40. Five. I go, that's. Dave would probably call. He would call. He's. He's full of trt, Greg. Like he's. That. That boy is after it right now. He's getting after. Good for Dave. Shout out Dave Lewan.

[Greg Olson]

Shout out Dave.

[Will]

What is your biggest takeaway or what do you think the biggest headline is coming out of the Browns beating the Packers? Is it more so packers drink the Kool Aid. This is kind of a trap game situation in college football and they got trapped or you think it speaks more about what the Browns have going on defensively in Cleveland?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So I'll be honest, I didn't catch the game. Obviously. I saw the box scorer and I saw the score. I was shocked. I'll be honest. I thought the packers were rolling. They've looked really good through the first two weeks. I was. That game, that game in the Carolina Atlanta game probably were my two biggest surprises, just outcome wise. And then obviously the Carolina game just. You don't see a lot of NFL games 30 to nothing, regardless of who the teams are. Yeah, but yeah, I thought I do. I do agree with you. What Cleveland can do defensively and the dudes that they have up front and that system, they're going to give a lot of teams trouble. I just think it's a nature of the NFL. Like, I think the difference between the top tier and the bottom tier is very different than college football. It's very different to, you know, where you just assume, like, oh, these games are just easy to call. It seems like every week there's that one or two games that no matter how much you think you follow ball, no matter how much you think you understand about these teams, something always goes sideways. And I think that's the beauty of the NFL. It's why we all tune in. It's why we all talk about it all day, every day. And that's a huge win for Cleveland. Just culturally, the belief within the locker room, like, hey, we can go toe to toe with anybody in this league. Now the key is, can we do this over and over and over again? Which of course is what every team is chasing.

[Taylor Lewan]

It's very interesting too. Like, I feel like there's always one week in the year, possibly two weeks, where it's like everything kind of just gets fucked up in the NFL. Like all the good teams like the packers, they just randomly drop one. You look at Panthers, Falcons, you already brought that up. It's like you don't really know who's going to win the game. Everyone kind of the Public sits there and go, well, Falcons, Pen X, Pitts, Bijon, like, those guys are probably going to steamroll the Panthers.

[Will]

Vikings beating the shit out of the Bengals.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. It's like you look at these games, you're like, these are supposed to be more competitive. And then even the Commanders and Raiders, like, I think the consensus was like, yeah, the Commanders will probably win this game, but not by that margin. And I feel like every so often in the football season you always run into these wonky weeks and I think they kind of, we kind of have one of those. If I'm personally just my opinion, if I'm the Packers, like, I'm not sweating this. Michael Parsons had a great, great take on this. He's like, we're a great team and we sometimes you shit the bed. And that's exactly what we did. We just shit the bed. So they know what, they know what they have.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

Because that, that game, honestly, if I'm the Browns and I'm like, okay, we have a defense that's essentially going to keep us in every single game. Why not go to Gabriel or Shador or kind of move on, just kind of see what you have a little bit. Because Flacco, I love Joe Cool. He's, he's the man. And if they want to ride with him all season, I'm, I'm all about that train. But like, why not get a little spicy? You know, Offensively you're not doing a whole lot. You're averaging like 15.2 points per game. Like, why not kind of throw it in there a little bit.

[Game Analyst]

If they had an offense, they would be, they'd be a top tier team.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. And the judges he got, he gets his first touchdown in the, of his career. Like, they kind of, they got a little like, oh, this is what you need to see. Maybe we do throw a young cat in there, let him spin it and have him fail. Fail forward.

[Game Analyst]

They have Jerry Judy, Cedric Tillman.

[Taylor Lewan]

Like they have. Yeah. So yeah. Do you think they should?

[Greg Olson]

I think, I think coaches always struggle with the, with that baton handoff. Right. And then, and then, you know, conventional wisdom you said are we're really good defensively. That's what every good young quarterback needs. And then I think sometimes these coaches go, well, just manage the offense and not make the defense's job any harder. And let's try to squeak out some of these, you know, one score games. Let's squeak out some of these games that are in the teens. Right. We're both, you know, holding our opponents under 20 every single week. Let's not throw picks. Let's not make mistakes. So I think that's the other side of it. But it's hard, right? It's a hard decision. When do you go to a young quarterback? Is that young quarterback ready? Is that quarterback walking into a environment that's good for not only the immediate success of the team. Right. Like the Browns want to win now. They're not trying to win in three years and, you know, Shador or Gabriel, whoever, is the quarterback two, three years from now, they got to win now. They got to strike. While Miles Garrett is still one of the best players in the league. And this defense is still as loaded as it is. So they've got to. They've got to fit the balance between being good today and also being able to not stunt any growth and development of the future. And I think that's what all these coaches that go through, these quarterback transitions, that's what keeps them up at night.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Looking at the did you happen to catch the Bears Cowboys game? Are you buying?

[Greg Olson]

I caught half of it in flying home.

[Will]

Are you buying the. The Bears offense and making a huge jump into week two? I don't know how much you've gotten to break down the Dallas defense. I think they're absolutely atrocious. But what do you. What is your takeaway coming out of the Bears beating the Cowboys?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So I think first off, you never apologize and you got. Obviously I'm not telling you guys something you don't know. You never apologize in the league for having a great game. You never apologize for seeing growth. It doesn't matter who you play against, growth and development and improvement in the NFL is always going to be celebrated by everyone. So a win's a win. A great offensive performance is a great offensive performance. Having said that, my hedge is I did see this Dallas defense the week before win, but give up 40 to the Giants. And we've seen the Giants in pretty much all of their other games have very little success offensively. So you start asking yourself, where the Giants I'm now Russ was amazing in week two in that game. They should have won. They lost on the long field goal, Aubrey and all that. But like, that was a shootout in the, you know, and went to overtime in the fourth quarter. Both teams scored 40 like it was an unbelievably offensive game. So I look back and I say, okay, now can the Giants follow up that performance against Dallas? Can they follow it up against Kansas City? Really good defense. They didn't score. And then you Ask. All right, the Bears. Okay, so they do it against Dallas. Let's see how the Bears do it next week. Like, can they follow up after playing the Cowboys and having all that, you know, having more success, can they follow it up again? So I think it's twofold. They. They got better. There's a lot to build on. I thought Caleb was three touchdowns in the first half. And can they do that now as the season goes on? Because it seems like everyone's kind of having their way the last two weeks with Dallas's defense.

[Will]

It's surprising to me, man. I know you. You were talking about watching Dallas the week before, but Taylor and I were watching that film together, and it's just surprising to me as a defensive guy to see just a lot of static alignment, you know exactly what coverage they're about to be in pre snap. There's not a lot of disguise when they are blitzing. It's like everybody's across the of scrimmage. It. It's fascinating to me. And we're sitting there watching that game, I'm like, man, why is the. I wonder why the line is 1 1/2 against the Bears. Like, surely Dallas and Dax smoked the Bears. But then you watch the tape and you're like, oh, this Dallas defense is just not very horrendous.

[Taylor Lewan]

It's. It is. Yeah. It's bad to see.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, they got to figure. They got to figure it out quick, right?

[Taylor Lewan]

Because I sit there and I look at the Cowboys and I'm like, your offense, like, you can get it done. You can get it done and move the ball and take care, like, run it. You can throw it. Like, I feel good about their offense, but, like, when they go from the Giants game into the Bears game and they don't change anything, and I have to go back and really watch the film. But as you're watching that game live, it's like they're not moving at all before the ball is snapped. They're doing the exact same thing they did last week. And if you're going to continue to be stubborn, if you're Ibrah flu and you're not, you're like, hey, this is my defenses we're going to run. You're going to miss the playoffs, and you're going to waste another year of Dak Prescott CD Lamb gets hurt. So now all you have is George Pickens. And so it's like, you need to. They're. They're a very fragile foundation franchise right now.

[Will]

What I hate out of it is, you know, the world's going to be coming at Dak Prescott in that offense, right?

[Taylor Lewan]

Because they score, they score 14 points and it's like, yeah, the thing you take away from that game is like, hey, Bears fans, you should be excited about your defense, the way they stood up. But, you know, CD does get hurt. Chargers beat the. The Broncos 23 to 20. Chargers go up in that game. 10 0. Broncos answer 17. 17 points unanswered. And then it's like, okay, what are we going to see that Justin Herbert and Justin Herbert shows that, you know, there's a reason why people are starting to whisper a top five quarterback. Top five quarterback. Were you able to watch that game at all?

[Greg Olson]

I didn't see that game. I saw the highlights in the recap. And what I will say is because I saw week one, I saw Herbert. You know, we all watched that opening game. I'll say what, I'll tell you what. The job that Harbaugh has done with that team, the organization, all the, all the dude does is win everywhere he goes, at every level. And, and he has brought out the best in Justin Herbert. And physically, I don't think all of a sudden he taught him to throw better. He didn't make him taller and faster and stronger. There is something that Harbaugh does to his quarterbacks that makes them know he unequivocally just believes in them. He pours into them and it shows. And I think since he's gotten there, there's a reason why we've seen the best of Justin Herbert and we've seen him kind of now take his game to where everyone thought he could. And I think he think that's what we've seen Harbaugh do his, in his entire career is get the best out of people, especially the quarterback position. So I, I, again, I, I don't have any intimate knowledge of that exact game or the, or how it all went down. I saw highlights of it, but I think the Chargers are for real in the, in the afc. I mean, I think right now it's Bills, Ravens, Chiefs defensively are nasty. They got to just continue to find some more points on offense. But, but I think the chi. I think the Chargers are starting to approach that top tier group.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, I mean they've had three division three in division games in three weeks and they're three and oh, I mean that says a lot. They have to worry about if you're the Chargers is what do they want to do? They always want to run the football. And you lose Najee Harris to What seemed like an Achilles injury. I mean he knew it right away. You see the slow mo. You see the pop of the calf and it's heartbreaking because his offseason he has the Fourth of July, but then Hampton, he comes in and he starts running the ball really well, has his first touchdown, looks really good. And so I wonder if they go and trade for a running back because at the end of the day that's what they want to do is they want to establish a strong run game. It's only going to help Herbert more. But I'm fired up about the Chargers, their offense and Jesse Minter's defense. It just proves that Michigan never cheated.

[Greg Olson]

There you go. That. All that to say that.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

I mean, buddy, I, I mean Jesse Minter is going to be an NFL. A head coach in the NFL next year. Year. If they keep going the way they are. Right Now I use McDonald 2.0. It's. It's very impressive to see.

[Will]

Do you think I have a question for you with the Vikings. Do you think if Carson is playing well the Vikings end up in a weird conversation when J.J. mcCarthy comes back? If the Vikings continue to win?

[Greg Olson]

Well, I'll tell you what. I. So I have the Vikings this week in Dublin. We're flying to Ireland on Thursday, so that'll be fun. So they play Pittsburgh. I think it's a great question. I think it's a little, maybe a little, yeah. Early pretty much to have that conversation. But trust me, and it's hard of hearts. I think Kevin o' Connell is at least preparing for that situation and I think everyone there would love that to be the problem. Right. You would love your. Everyone dreams of your backup quarterback having to play due to injury and coming in and doing exactly what the backup quarterback's job, which is to keep this thing afloat and continue to keep us competitive and help us win games. He did more than that yesterday. Obviously he's a guy that's played for multiple different teams. He's had success in this league. He's been around a long time. But then the other side of that coin is quarterback controversy is hard. It's a storyline. It's something every team dreads. Do I think it's a no brainer that if he's playing well and they're winning that they just turn it right back to JJ McCarthy? I don't think it's a no brainer. Would it be tough to turn your back on your young quarterback who essentially is in his rookie year due to the lost year last year I think it would be tough. I think it'd be hard on him. I think it'd be a setback developmentally. But the ultimate job of the head coach is to do what's in the best interest of the team to win right now. And this week will go a long way. Like week one as a backup, I always say, is like the easy week. You catch everybody a little off guard. Now, teams have seen you in this offense. You got to do it again. Before we start entering into all the hypothetical what ifs.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, I think if it keeps going well for Carson Wentz, what you need to do, if you're Kevin o' Connell and the Vikings is just become the charity franchise and pay JG McCarthy $100 million. Be like, hey, get hurt. You can be. You can be our pseudo backup and then bring first round picks in that haven't made it their other franchise and revamp their entire career. That the Viking. The Vikings can do a lot of charity work because it seems like anyone who comes in contact with Kevin o' Connell just gets better at football.

[Will]

Look at Danny Dimes out in Indianapolis.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. I mean, have you, like. Is Daniel. Is he for real?

[Greg Olson]

I've always liked Daniel. I've always thought he got a little bit of the short end of the stick. I think it's. I think the New York market, understandably so, is a tough market. There's high expectations, a lot of eyeballs, a lot of scrutiny. I. Oh, I like. He's a Charlotte kid. I trained with him during, you know, during COVID so I know him personally, so I'm probably biased, but I've always thought you're a big, strong, fast kid who's super smart, really good demeanor.

[Will]

Good.

[Greg Olson]

Like, what else are you looking for out of the quarterback position? Like, if you're making guys, he's kind of checking all of those boxes.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right.

[Greg Olson]

He just needed to be around a place that believed in him, poured into him. A lot of the things we're saying about these other franchises with Baker and you can see the organizations that embrace a guy and say, you're our guy. There's no question. Don't look over your shoulder. Just go play ball. It's amazing how much better those guys play and the job Shane Steichen's done with him out in Indianapolis in a short time. I know there's a lot of controversy when he won that starting job, but obviously they saw something this off season to turn it over to him, and they look like geniuses.

[Will]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree. What's your before we let you go, what are you thinking tonight with Detroit, Baltimore? Now you think of prime time. Lamar Jackson, one stat that the boys that bust with the boys is aware of. He's 7 and 2 in Monday night Football games. Very good record, Greg. Now, the two games he's lost, they've been. They've been in the month of September.

[Greg Olson]

Wow, you poor. I mean, you're getting every. You're getting every angle on this.

[Will]

That's what I'm saying.

[Taylor Lewan]

I.

[Greg Olson]

No, I mean, it's real. I don't. I personally don't buy into, like. I think there's a lot of trends and stats and records by months. And it could be as simple as you played harder teams in September than you did later on. Like, there's always a lot of nuance to those trends with short, you know, kind of small sample sizes. I think it's a fascinating game. I think it's one of the best games, matchups of the early, you know, slate of the season so far through three weeks. After week one, I would have said that the Lions, they got some work to do. They really missing their two coordinators. Then last week, they bounced way back and they looked amazing. So if we get that version of the Lions, which is what we've come to imagine over the last couple years, and the Ravens that we really know, I mean, we. We could be looking at, you know, a Super bowl preview. Like, these are two teams that are at least in that conversation, in their. In their conferences, respectively. So I can't wait to get home and watch it. My gut is Baltimore is better, but I don't know. I'm not a gambler. I'm not a better. So I don't really like pick games, but I think it's a hell of a game. Where is the game? Remind me where the game is.

[Will]

Baltimore.

[Greg Olson]

All right. Yeah. Baltimore night game in Baltimore. I'd probably give the edge. What's the line? Whose favorite? I'm assuming Baltimore's favorite.

[Taylor Lewan]

Baltimore's favorite. Yeah. It's not.

[Will]

It's not. It's not a big line, though. Yeah, not a big line.

[Greg Olson]

All right. Put a gun to my head. I'd say. I would think Baltimore, but after last week, I feel a lot better about Detroit than I did after week one.

[Taylor Lewan]

Will had a little parlay that he threw in the group chat last night. It was chiefs altered line minus six and a half, and now it is. It's 5.5 is the line. Huh?

[Will]

Five and a half.

[Taylor Lewan]

So. So Ravens are five and a half, but then was it 58 and a half?

[Will]

Yeah. I like points in this game.

[Taylor Lewan]

I like points in game because for.

[Will]

Me it's like, like Baltimore is the better roster. I think the Lions are on a get back in a get back mode. They performed very well last week. So I like to see fireworks in this. When you watch the Ravens last week against the Browns, correct. It was, you know, Lamar missed a few like three throws in that first quarter downfield that if they just start faster, they'll get going. So I like the, I like the total in points. I like fireworks tonight. Greg.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, we need it. We need it because we are.

[Greg Olson]

Let's see what we got, man.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, I do want to ask about the Chiefs. Are the Chiefs going to be okay?

[Greg Olson]

I think they're going to be okay. I think their defense is nasty. I think they're young, I think they're talented. I think Spags is as good as it gets. They're going to keep them in games like we've seen pretty much all season. And you know, the last couple of years offensive, they got to find their groove a little bit. I think they know that. I still think they're trying to figure out personnel, you know, do they get Rasheed Rice back? Can they get, you know, get some of these young guys rolling? So offensively they, they've got some things to figure out. But again, it's a lot easier to play offense in the NFL when your defense is giving up less than 20 a game. Like, it just takes so much pressure off. You know how good you have to be now. Are you going to win the super bowl with that model? I wouldn't hang my hat on it. So they, they got to get better. Offensively, we've seen them get better as the years have gone on over the last couple years when people have thought they were dead. So I don't ever think you count out Mahomes and Andy Reid and Kelsey and guys that we've seen do it for a long time at a high level. But there's no question offensively they got to start finding some answers.

[Taylor Lewan]

I love it. Greg. Thank you as always. Give round applause for Greg. Dude. Appreciate you. I know you're busy and I know you're doing your thing.

[Greg Olson]

I appreciate you guys, man.

[Taylor Lewan]

You guys are the best.

[Will]

Good luck this Wednesday. Yeah, good luck this Wednesday. I expect at least three scores in the first half. We got to start fast.

[Taylor Lewan]

Maybe should the boys a text and just be like, here we're at. This is where we're at.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, we gotta start faster. That's on me. I. I can do a better job.

[Will]

All right, brother.

[Taylor Lewan]

That's good.

[Will]

Love you. Have a good one.

[Taylor Lewan]

Have a good one, guys.

[Greg Olson]

See you guys. See you.

[Taylor Lewan]

Notice that Greg did not say I love you. Back to turmoil.

[Will]

That's stage one right there. Now he knows it's getting said. I, you know.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz, you know he got off. He's like, love you. I didn't say it back.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

Kind of the situation.

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[Taylor Lewan]

I mean we kind of talked a lot about NFL. I love to get Jack back on here. He needs to talk about the Titans.

[Will]

Can we get Jack McPherson?

[Taylor Lewan]

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[Will]

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[Will]

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[Will]

Before Jack gets on here too. Let's, let's hit some, some tear talk. Yeah, we had some tear talk. We had some, some submissions. This first one is from Brandon Ole, sports junkie. Hashtag tear talk about fan bases that are in hell. Hashtag Broncos. I don't think the fan, the, the Denver fan base should be in hell. I think there are question marks there. You start off one and two. Obviously there's this expectation of the Broncos being a dark horse in that division to win the division. But again, you lose two close games, you do got to figure some things out. Offensively, you have a hell of a defense. You are not in hell as much as say the Cowboys fan base should.

[Taylor Lewan]

Be or the Titans fan base should be.

[Will]

Yes.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

The New York Giants fan base.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. If you here's the concern, I'll give to you if you're worried about the Broncos and I'm going to fuel that fire a little bit. Bo Nick started 61 football games in college. Okay. Had a lot of time to do a lot of things. The fear there would be is he at his ceiling right now. That that's the fear because you look at where the Broncos hang their hat on last year it was their defense. And you go in there, they obviously still a great defense. They can get a lot of pressure on the quarterback. They have a great secondary. But you look at the Chargers and from a defense versus defense standpoint, the Chargers played a better game yesterday and kind of showed that we're the best defense in the AFC West. So I don't know if this is your year, but I think there's, there's a little bit more that you can give and this is a one score game, right against the Chargers, who in my opinion are quickly making themselves a top tier AFC team, which is very, very exciting. So, you know, a little bit of sadness, a little bit of happiness overall, I think you're gonna be I, I.

[Will]

Like two after the game. J.K. dobbins, he had a little locker room interview to where he's like, nah, he, he didn't, he didn't play by game, we got his back. I got his back. We got to do a better job of making, making plays when we got them. Whether or not it's a good throw or a bad throw. Like, we all have Bo Nixon's back. That's what you want to see.

[Taylor Lewan]

There's an expectation. Yeah, that's good because they're.

[Will]

I mean, it's like, you know, these tight games the last two weeks, I don't think the Broncos should be pressing the panic button whatsoever. Yeah, they're not like the fighting A line I get in their apps. The ass is absolutely pummeled Indiana.

[Taylor Lewan]

This next one comes from Michael Smith at Smitty3691. Hashtag tear talk. Did scatter boo take over for CMC as an all white RB one before our eyes last night?

[Will]

I tell you what, he did get the blood flowing below the belt last night. I'm seeing no Scatter Boo.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Go out there. I do want to see him, maybe. Listen, the boys, the defenders know you're coming.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Like, let's not just go full. Lean in with your head at all times.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right.

[Will]

Like, we got to keep you. We got to keep you around. I love the juice factory of SK of camp Scatter Boo and lowering the boom him. But now you got to start playing with the bag a little bit.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Because he's got some shake to him.

[Taylor Lewan]

He's got shake. He got a great center of gravity, too. Like, you catch an edge, no one's bringing you down by your hips, brother. You can do your thing.

[Game Analyst]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Greg Olson]

See?

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

Now it's time to throw in the hit the spit, like, go down. Because defenders are going to just start lowering, like Scatter Boo heat. That's a load to take, right? Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

If you're the secondary and you think, my God, if this boy breaks one, he's not even trying. He's not even trying to run past me.

[Will]

No.

[Taylor Lewan]

He's going to put me in concussion protocol. I think when you look at seeing CMC and you look at scatter boots, like when CMC came through at Stanford, he had that viral video coming out of him moving his feet, and people being like, this is sped up. And it really wasn't sped up because the TV in the background, it's like, that's where the white guys go, hey, we got one, too. Like, that's a thoroughbred right there. The Scatter Boo is a miniature Clydesdale. This boy's here to pull wagons. He is not messing around like, this we got two totally different whites ripping around on the football field on Sunday afternoons. I love to see it for his health and his longevity in the league. I do think you switch up the back a little bit. We know what his fastball is. But, Buddy, if you throw 105, 106, like throw 105, 106, you know, I.

[Will]

Think what you love to see out of Scatter Boo too, you look at him and McCaffrey both coming in the league. McCaffrey. This is collared shirt tucked in the Levi's. Camp Scatterboo. I wouldn't put a pass if you have rock and southpaw as a young buck.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

And you are South Pole and not South Paul. I know what you mean it Scatter Boo. Did you see the back flip and the. And the. The touchdown celebration, even?

[Taylor Lewan]

That was mini.

[Game Analyst]

He did that. He did that at Arizona State with us.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, but Buddy, he did that backflip like three inches off the ground. Didn't jump. Yeah, didn't jump like he. Yeah, he is just a little baller. Yeah, he's a Shetland pony with the legs of a Clydesdale. See if you can find that on check snow.

[Will]

I'm in my living room just standing up, beating my chest. Camp Scanner Boo.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, Yeah, I saw a couple tweets last night, too. Get Scatter Boo on the bus. We will get Scatter Boo on the bus. Yeah, he will have it. And just remember, the first people to know about Scatter Boo was busting with the boys.

[Sports Analyst]

We have tried to get him on the bus.

[Taylor Lewan]

It just.

[Sports Analyst]

It was.

[Will]

Yeah, it just didn't work out. He was focused.

[Taylor Lewan]

He was focused.

[Will]

He was focused on getting drafted. This one comes from AT Garth Gorells. Garls Gorels tear talk. How long should fan bases give a quarterback before making a judgment call? I think this one is a hard one. There's no hashtag. There's no specific situation that he's talking about. So I'm going to give the political answer of every situation is different.

[Taylor Lewan]

There's. Yeah, I agree. There's so many different variables that come in when you're judging your quarterback. Let's say you have great receivers. You have proven receivers in that team. You have a proven offensive line and your quarterback's not able to facilitate the ball. That leash is going to be much shorter than a team that, you know, you look at the Titans and you think, okay, like, yeah, we got guys dropping balls a little bit. Cam Ward, his. His stat line is not going to be great every single week because of the product that's on the field with him. And I, I'm being. Trying to be as cautious as possible because I do love the Titans, but it's like they're not. They're not a team that's anywhere close to complete right now. When cam shows splashes, you're like, all right, we got a guy here. Now can we take pieces and put it around him? I think that leash is extremely long, as opposed to my other example I just had. That's. I think.

[Will]

I think in the NFL year and a half.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Game Analyst]

What about the Brown situation with Flacco and you, you had, you obviously drafted. Yeah, we talked about it with Greg a little bit. But, I mean, you drafted Dylan Gabriel and Shadow Sanders. Like, that defense is real. You just need an offense.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right. You need somebody that can give a little spark to it. And I like, I like Ray's answer, and I didn't like Greg's answer because, like, at the end of the day, like, what he was saying is the Browns offense just needs to take care of the football. Well, Joe Flacco is an absolute stud, and he, like, he's at the age where boy don't give a shit anymore. He knows he's playing on borrowed time, so he'll send that thing all over the field and give up multiple interceptions a game, but also throw multiple touchdowns a game. So if you're looking towards the future, I think it's like, this is nothing. That's Flacco. I'm a big Joe, cool guy. But if you're in a year where you're like, we know we're not contenders, but we have a great defense, let's go and throw one of the young bucks in there and see what they can do. Yeah, I love Shadur, his conversation being around, like, practices are my game day and I'm taking every single one like it. But then Gabriel gets in in some. Some garbage time versus the Ravens, throws himself a touchdown. Like, hey, why not? You still got Judy, you still got Njoku, you got, you know, Juckins, who seems like he's going to be a little bit of a weapon in the league. Like, you got some guys, your offensive lines banked up a little bit, but why not get in there and just let them toss and maybe they'll go.

[Will]

Through some licks to where they get in some kind of rhythm on the back half of the year. Especially if you have a defense like that. Because you think back, it's like you got Joe Smooth and you look at, you know, managing the game well, not, you know, turnovers low and things like that to where you allow the defense to kind of win you games. Look back to that Ravens team when who was a Hasselback was the quarterback. Their. Their offense, they didn't really have an offense. They just needed to not turn the ball over.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right.

[Will]

The Ravens defense was going to win you that football game.

[Taylor Lewan]

Game.

[Will]

Yeah, it is very. Yeah. It all depends on the situation. It all depends on the situation. But thank you, Garth, for shooting in that. Shooting in that message. Hashtag tear talk.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, this next one comes from @Matthew reel. Hashtag tear talk. Should the Bengals trade for Kirk Cousins?

[Will]

Will should the Bengals trade for Kirk Cousins?

[Taylor Lewan]

It's a lot of money to have on one team.

[Will]

It would be a lot of money to have on one team, especially at the quarterback position. Browning is like, yeah, they got their ass whipped this week. But again, it's like you're not in a situation to where you have an elite defense like Cleveland to where, hey, this is a must. Like, we could win if we had a serviceable quarterback. And I say that too. Browning has proven that he could play well in the backup role. You're going to have games like that. I don't think you're just absolutely hitting the panic button. You need the defense to pick it up a bit. This is like a full team effort on the Bengals part. Now, if it's. Again, if it's like they were in the Brown situation, I think you very much would want to go out there and. And get a quarterback in now because there is an opportunity to win games right now.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, I. I think, yeah, if you want to go ahead, like, it depends, like if Joe bro out for three months for real or is gonna be a little longer, is his season over.

[Will]

But you're not gonna. You're not gonna see that. It's way too much money in one room.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah.

[Will]

You have to pay for Kirk Cousins whether or not you're going off of how he played last year. And you could probably get him for cheap. I'm just telling you right now, like, there's, you know, if you're Kirk, it's like you're not going anywhere just to like, play for low money.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right.

[Will]

You know, on a team that has, you know, no. No defense.

[Taylor Lewan]

Right. Exactly.

[Will]

After March, you have Jamar Chase.

[Taylor Lewan]

And so it could be an opportunity where Kirk Cousins does look at it, just to play devil's advocate where he's like, hey, people think I'm not. There's weapons over there that I can make it seem Like I am still the it.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

So why not get over there and get that thing done.

[Will]

There's one up there from at. Does that say MC Roomie? MC Roomy. Michael Rooms.

[Game Analyst]

Friend of the show.

[Will]

Friend of the show. Friend of the show. Michael is teams lose their best players because of a borderline targeting call that changes the game. I love this idea that he's putting out to us. What are Busin's thoughts on making a. Making targeting a flagrant 1, 2 type of penalty? Flagrant 1 would be something like an accidental head to head contact. No ejection. Flagrant two, obvious targeting calls. Ejection. Hashtag tear talk. I love that.

[Taylor Lewan]

I do too, because that's great.

[Will]

That hurts the game, man. We were in a situation, the Nebraska, Michigan game. Number six with number six puts a lick on Jacori Barney right before. Right before the goal line. It was something that they reviewed. Then they kind of took away the penalty. But that's one too, where it's just gray. It's like. Yeah, if you're going just off the rule, could that be. Yes. Do you love seeing that on the football field? Yes. It didn't seem like it was malicious. Yeah, it didn't seem like it was malicious at all. You go a week earlier at LSU and Whit Weeks lays that lick on old buddy out there on the perimeter. Looks like just an incredible tackle, an incredible form tackle. Unfortunately, his head was leading. They end up ejecting him from the game. So I love the idea of a flagrant one. Flagrant two, like you have tears to it.

[Taylor Lewan]

It. Yeah.

[Will]

In our segment, tier talk.

[Taylor Lewan]

In our segment, tier talk. Yeah, I. I agree with everything you just said. I. I hate the targeting call. I understand why the targeting call is there to protect the players, but it's so gray and it truly depends on what. What ref is calling it. And I hate that. I absolutely hate it. All right, where's our.

[Will]

Where's Jackie boy?

[Game Analyst]

I think he's right outside.

[Will]

Tennessee Nation. Titans Nation needs to hear from you, man.

[Taylor Lewan]

And I will say this about Jack McPherson and Garrett. They are officially the flag holders of the Tennessee Titans fan base. It seems like they have an incredible pulse about how they feel. I hate where the Titans are at right now because the pulse is very negative, very low pulse. We're in the ICU type of situation. Whether it's the coach, the team, you look at get tickets distributed versus the tickets that are people that are actually at the game. They're not matching up at all. It is cheaper to go to a Vanderbilt Gate or to go to a Titans game versus the Colts. And it is to go to Vanderbilt versus Georgia State. Like, it is hard. It is tough out there. And with a. A mostly publicly subsidized stadium coming in 2027, it's a tough look right now for the Titans. I know, Jeff. We had a whole conversation about that. That's a whole different thing that we don't get into, but new stadium, Titans, arguably the worst team in the NFL right now. Boys, I'll turn it over to you. Take as long as you'd like.

[Will]

And to Jack, like, if you could paint me a picture of the Titans fan base as a whole. I know there's a lot of negative. Maybe there's some. Some. Some other takes out there on the other side that maybe you were scrolling through to find some optimism or find some light. Because I didn't want. Once I saw where this game was going, I was more so all eyes on the Eagle Eagles, Rams going on in Philly. So kind of paint us a picture.

[Jack McPherson]

I mean, I'm sure that if you were watching games from your couch, you may be caught all of two minutes of the Titans Colts game. The Titans started off on the third play with a pick six. Unfortunately, Cam Ward through one. And I literally just texted you the video that I put up on Twitter. And then in the same breath in this. Yeah, this one's from Wil Compton. In the same breath, pick six.

[Taylor Lewan]

And so.

[Jack McPherson]

So starting out, I think it was maybe at most 70 capacity. And that's generous. The stadium and the three hundreds was empty. The club level was a hot day. People were probably inside as well. It's just a bad situation right now for the Titans. I have done my best to be a. A good member of this company and to respect our guests. But the time has come where you have to set respect and rationale aside and you have to fire Brian Callahan. He had now shout out Alex Porter, who works with us. He found a stat. He has the worst win percentage through 20 games in the history of the NFL. He is now 3 and 17.

[Taylor Lewan]

3 and 18.

[Jack McPherson]

Is it 3 and 8?

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah. I saw. I saw this whole thing. It was a Titans account that said it is Kelly and the worst coach in titans history. He's 3 and 18. And Wizen Hunt was 3 and 20.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah. So again, 3 and 18 doesn't help him. I'm not gonna sit here. And yesterday I kind of him on Twitter. I'm sober now. I'm not gonna do that. But I wrote some things down, starting with just Poor decision making and game management. I think the number one thing you can look at is the 62 yard field goal on fourth down that was called for Joey Sly to kick going into half which I didn't even realize. I guess it got tipped or blocked. But regardless the delay of game penalties, just so many questionable choices in critical moments that don't pay off. It is. It's not all on Callahan 100. It's a team sport. There's so many aspects that go into it. But his game decision making is at an all time low. I think it's honestly disrespectful to the Titans fan base. You, you're in there sitting at halftime and you feel like a joke being like I'm wasting my Sunday being here and I will continue to waste my Sundays every, every time because I love being in that stadium. I love the city and, and our fan base, our core fan base who actually, actually goes there to watch the Titans succeed and not to take photos for Instagram like we enjoy it yesterday, especially against a divisional rival home game and to just get embarrassed. There was never a moment where the Titans were in it. Not. Not even one. Jonathan Taylor looked really good. Daniel Jones looked very good, very efficient. There's just a lack of progress. I know there was a ton of expectations that went into the this season and though we have a lot of new, you know, things going on with players and, and everything just surrounding Cam Ward there. There has to be a moment where we need there. There needs to be time allowed to get better. But I. It's not going to happen under the helm of Brian Callahan. There's also a conversation to be talked about with Amy Adams. I'm going to table that for another day just because I think we need to stick with one thing.

[Taylor Lewan]

Can you give us a. Just a sample or something size of that?

[Jack McPherson]

I just don't know if Amy Adams is. Is fit to be the owner. I mean it was handed down to her from Bud and everyone loved Bud and she is the stepdaughter. But.

[Greg Olson]

And she's.

[Jack McPherson]

She's made good things so to say for the Titans organization. But at some point like it is just if you take away the 2019 season and 2022, those suit or playoff runs, the Titans have been a miserable franchise for 20 years. And it's just like we got content with like just having more than eight wins in a season. So yeah, I mean I'm not gonna say I was joining in on the fire Callahan chants in the stadium, but I'm also going to say that I wasn't. But when you have a fan base that's sitting out in the September sun in Nissan at 1pm on a Sunday audibly yelling fire Callahan, that's something that they need to listen to. I'm not saying that I wanted to like wake up this morning and see Callahan fired on Twitter. I mean I would have loved it. But I like maybe there's a couple more things ahead. I, I'm just. We have a tough road series ahead where you play the Texans, another back to back divisional rival game. Then we go to the Cardinals, come to Brooklyn ball busting with the boys. We'll be doing official tailgate with the Titans. Hopefully we win regardless. Win or lose, we're gonna have a good time. So come to Brooklyn ball and then we go to the Raiders and then you know who our next home game is.

[Will]

Who's. Who do. Who's the Titans playing the Brooklyn Bowl.

[Jack McPherson]

Arizona Cardinals.

[Will]

Arizona Cardinals.

[Jack McPherson]

I don't know if you know who our our next home game is after the three game road stress, but it's Mike Vrabel and the Patriots. So if you don't think that, that Mike Vrabel is going to get more applause in that stadium than Brian Callahan, you're not, you're not listening. You need to open your eyes.

[Will]

Okay. So can I, can I ask you a question for sure. These next three seem very winnable.

[Jack McPherson]

Yes. The Texas, I mean someone I saw a tweet and it's the Texans Titans game and they said they need to flex this game to 4:00am so yeah, it's literally going to, to be a. And it'd be, it'd be huge to pick up that win. Obviously the Cardinals, I don't think there's anything special there but we have to play some good ball to beat them. The Raiders kind of sitting that but I hate the travel. Having to go to Arizona, come home, then go to Vegas, come home. It's a lot like you. You guys know just road games, three in a row, long stretch or you're starting to, you know, feel all the hits and, and then you have J.C. latham and Tavandre Sweat which Tandre Sweat. You saw at firsthand him not being there to help open up for big Big Jeff is really hard. Our O line without JC even though you can have whatever opinion you have on JC Latham Ro line looked miserable yesterday and the amount of penalties, it was just embarrassing. It's just like you're just laughing. You're like this.

[Sports Commentator]

We average 11 through these first three games.

[Jack McPherson]

I mean, it's just like, we gotta figure some stuff out, so it's not gonna get it.

[Will]

I'll tell you what, it's. It's definitely a good thing. I think a road game. Stretch.

[Taylor Lewan]

Get away.

[Will]

Okay, get away.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, Maybe stay over there in the West.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah, stay in the West. All I know is I'm fired up to be able to just watch football on my couch next Sunday and not have to coach us, sweat my ass off and be angry and like yelling at teenagers who are in Colts fans. I got a guy behind me, he was, he was very vocal and that, that's. I, I tweeted it out. Nashville is the worst city for a bad football team because it's such an awesome city to come visit. And I've said this many times, but if you're an away fan, let's say you're the Colts. Just, you know, for recency bias, you and your boys make a three day trip. You come to Nashville, you hit Broadway Friday, Saturday, have fun. You get cheap ass tickets going to Nissan Sunday. So every game it's like at one point it felt like you didn't know on a certain call if you kind of looked away, you didn't know know who is cheering for who. Because the, the noise level, you're like, wait, is that Titans fans cheering? Because it's loud, you're like, oh no, that was actually the Colts fans cheering. And the guy sitting behind me though, he was really drawing and like I'm like sitting there just like, breathe man. Like it's all good. Like does football doesn't even matter. Like, and, and I turned around, ended up talking to him and it was like his first NFL game ever. He's like a 50 year old man with his wife. And I was like, honestly, this is super cool. Like, I hope he likes like for you guys to be here, like enjoying your first NFL game. Like you're getting a whoop a rival's ass. Like I end up. I was like, you guys want me to take your photo? He's like, you know what, man, that's really big of you. And I was like, okay, don't patronize me. But yeah, at the end of the day, I think it's still early in the season to where there's the expectation, obviously the set so low right now and camp Ward is a very young quarterback. He's shown moments of poise. Obviously the mistake on the pick six hurt. He had a solid touchdown. Another one to Alec o', Manor, who I think he. I mean, I don't Even want to go down the Calvin Ridley wormhole, paying him $90 million to drop every single thing that comes his way sucks. I think A.O. manor Will is. I mean, he is our receiver one, and hopefully we can give him a moment. I think this is the thing I'll end on. What most Titans fans are most concerned about is the. The possibility of spoiling Cam Word's career with us because of bad coaching, bad decision making, bad ownership three games in. Yeah, I know, I know. But, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm. I'm. It's just I've had many conversations with many different kind of.

[Sports Commentator]

It's. All that they're worried about is we gotta just ruin him and not, like, lose him. And then we're back to square one.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah.

[Sports Commentator]

Because not only Cam, but like, yesterday, I'm noticing what our draft class. There's, like, five guys contributing on the field. So there's a positive there. Like, you have a rookie quarterback, you have a rookie wide receiver who's proven himself. You have a rookie at punt returner who luckily got some touches. At wide receiver, you have a rookie on the edge. Like, on. On the defensive side, like, that's a good sign that they're playing gunner. Helm's also like, a good tight end.

[Jack McPherson]

Every package, it's figuring out how to not.

[Sports Commentator]

Not like, waste this. Like, you.

[Taylor Lewan]

You're.

[Sports Commentator]

You're getting your guys, you got good draft picks that are contributing, and it's. You want to see it work on the field. So, like, it's. Yeah, it's frustrating to see. The one part that kind of sucked yesterday is we honored the legend Mike Keith, and he got in the ring of fire, and it did not feel like the state.

[Jack McPherson]

They did it. Halftime one. They did the Titans legend. It was the guy who followed up, Kevin. Why Titans legend, legend. I can't even tell you his name. I forgot about it. And they did it in the beginning of the second quarter. Like, they had Javon curse last week, and it's just like.

[Taylor Lewan]

It feels weird.

[Jack McPherson]

Just feels like force. And then they tried to do it.

[Sports Commentator]

Before it got too bad.

[Jack McPherson]

I think I. I assume they probably tried to give Mike Keith his moment. But, yeah, it sucks because, like, Mike Keith is a legend. Thank God. Because it's a Vol fall for me at this point. And thank God Mike Keith is. Is in Knoxville doing the color commentary.

[Sports Commentator]

But that was tough to see it half, though, because, yeah, half the crowd obviously is going to concessions bathroom, all that. There's a part of you that's like they might not come back after halftime. Half of them aren't even watching this moment for Mike Keith, which sucked. Bert goes up and gets booed like it's rough in there.

[Jack McPherson]

And we. You mentioned at the beginning of this, like, you know, Titans are building the largest public subsidy in the NFL, $2.1 billion. And outside of like the fear of losing Cam Ward or him like not getting his moment with us, the fear is also, I know in that organization is if we are in this position when we go into that brand new sparkling stadium, people are gonna be furious. And it's like we just got to get a little momentum.

[Sports Commentator]

So you have talent, like, like I just said, you have rookies that are already contributing. There's something there.

[Will]

Why Jack? Jackie boy.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah.

[Will]

Why don't we take the, the thought of the fire Cali and you just put it on the shelf. Let's get on the road.

[Jack McPherson]

Look, I'm saying go on the road.

[Will]

And see what happens.

[Jack McPherson]

I agree. I. I'm saying fire Callahan, like in a level headed atmosphere. If we come back from that road stretch and we're 1 and 5 or whatever, oh and 6 and we're going in to play the Patriots, and the Patriots come here and they, Malik, Willis, us, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be way, way, way hotter on this bus and I'm going to be. I'm gonna start a gofundme to. I don't even know how that's gonna help, but something's got to get out there. So right now I'm being as level headed as possible. And I'm not saying fire his ass right now, but you come back from that road stretch and it's still like this. I promise you, man, we might have to do a public sit out of Nissan just to tell them, hey, we mean business. I mean, I'll be there, but what.

[Will]

Like, imagine I love how he's like, like, no, no, yeah, yeah, we'll give him the three game. Like, I'm, I'm not saying fire. I'm saying firing with the most level head, right? I'm like, oh, so they'd be more. So you're saying it emotionally, but you're going to give them these three weeks and it'll be, hey, I'm seeing the board clearly.

[Sports Commentator]

If Rabel comes in here and wins and then, then they decide to fire.

[Jack McPherson]

Callahan, that, that'd be poetic.

[Sports Commentator]

Circle of moment in life would be.

[Taylor Lewan]

And it should be A.J. brown and John Robinson would be so odd. So we'll see, man.

[Jack McPherson]

It's always tighten up though. Keep the faith, guys. We have to keep things.

[Taylor Lewan]

You can't do that.

[Greg Olson]

We have to.

[Jack McPherson]

It's bigger than. It's bigger than a. Okay owner. It's. It's the shield. It's. It's the Titans, man. We are fortunate that 25 years ago we got a team from Houston to come to the great state of Tennessee in the heart of where the capital lives in Nashville, Tennessee. And we cannot give people an excuse to think for even a moment that that was a mistake bringing the team to Nashville because Nashville is an amazing place to be. But the only thing the Callahans have contributed to the Tennessee Titans is Big Bertha. And that is it.

[Will]

Big Bertha is nice. That's a nice little.

[Jack McPherson]

And trust me, when they fire Callahan, they better load the gun with one bullet and line him and his dad up up. Because they're both gone. Because our O line is embarrassing. And that's. That's all I have to say.

[Taylor Lewan]

Always work hard.

[Jack McPherson]

Tighten up, baby. Tighten up.

[Taylor Lewan]

I don't even know what to do with Jack, man. Give me just a few things that why Titan fan base should be like happy because.

[Jack McPherson]

Because we have a rookie quarterback. That one is a leader. He's composed and in a moment to where all eyes are looking at him and everybody wants to see it just tank and fail more. He is just playing ball and he wants to. So I, I think Cam Ward is, is the core value of that. And then I think Garrett said it first too. Not just Cam Ward. Like we have re like a great rookie draft class that is showing promise on the field and if we can just get some other things surrounded by them and clean up penalties and bad coaching decisions like, you know, we're just a few games away from having something to believe in and the fucking AFC south is. I mean the Colts are good and the Jags aren't bad either but like also the Texans, they don't look great, but I think that we're taking a lot of heat off of them because there's so much national press around number one draft pick Brian Callahan. His record. There's just so much. But I do like this has been one of the most successful draft classes we've had in a long time. So like I can't hate Callahan about that. I can't. But I, I think if there is anything like yeah, believe in Cam Ward. I still do and I until like he had that mistake on the pick six. Sure I said it before the season came board's gonna throw a pick Kmore's gonna throw two picks. I mean, everyone will inevitably. So, like, unfortunately, the first one's a pick sick at the beginning of the game. Kills all momentum. But, yeah, we gotta just. We gotta convert and not be. I mean, Joey Sly is our leading scorer.

[Taylor Lewan]

Our kicker, so called it too.

[Jack McPherson]

And I really wish he had drilled that 62 yarder because he. He has that in his bag, but looks like.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, yeah, it's tough out there, huh? Yeah.

[Jack McPherson]

But I mean, I don't want to be spoon fed championships. We have character here in Nashville because we've. We've hurt and we've cut our teeth with horrible losses our whole lives.

[Taylor Lewan]

Good news. 12 years ago, we went 2 and 14, 3 and 13.

[Jack McPherson]

Yep.

[Taylor Lewan]

And then it rattled off a few nine and seven seasons. Here's to 12 more. All right, we can. We can do this.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah, you can turn it around.

[Sports Commentator]

It's there, dude. I mean, it's. This week is not a good example for that. But the first two games, the first half, like, like we're in there. Even the Broncos game towards the end, like, you're in there.

[Jack McPherson]

You can win that game.

[Taylor Lewan]

And, buddy, if you guys just get rid of the penalties. And I know it's a. That's a ridiculous statement coming from me, but it's like, you see my tweet yesterday? The one I responded to?

[Jack McPherson]

No, I was like, Jack had a lot of way. Yeah, I was firing off tweets. I said, way too many penalties. Need your expertise, Taylor.

[Taylor Lewan]

I think I did respond to. I said it. This is. This is too much even for me, because it is. I watched pretty much that game.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah. Hey, good on you. And I. Taylor gave me a call yesterday and I missed it, and I.

[Taylor Lewan]

Did a wellness check and I just.

[Jack McPherson]

Look at Taylor on this call and I go. And Taylor had some really. It was. It was a great little seven minute combo. Inspiring. And, you know, it was just nice to get that shower and just be like, oh, man, I can breathe for.

[Taylor Lewan]

Let's get on the road. When I got up in the morning on Sunday and I popped on the old bird and I saw you school screaming at colts fans at 8am yeah.

[Jack McPherson]

Bud Light in hand, shout out, Bud Light.

[Taylor Lewan]

And then I watched a pick six in the video. I'm thinking Jack might not show up. No. Honestly, walking out of the stadium being like, this call, and I'm like, oh, my God.

[Jack McPherson]

The only thing that really kept me in it. And unfortunately, Will, at your cost. I was like, man, at least Will's getting his head shaved today.

[Taylor Lewan]

I Did wake up. I woke up with a spring in my step this morning knowing that Will was getting his haircut first. Me too. I was like, yes.

[Jack McPherson]

A chef who's one of our. Our new guys, he said he was like, dude, I like, I. I just didn't even feel anything. Like, I don't feel. He's like, is it bad that I'm just not feeling anything about the Titans like being bad? And I'm like, no. I feel like that's like a lot of people. It's just kind of the standard right now.

[Taylor Lewan]

It goes back to the standard we talked about. Le Clemson. Like, you fire dabo, you're going to go back to what you were before for sure. The good thing for the Titans is there are. There is no standard right now. No, you have no standard. It hurts, but it also kind of helps.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah, I agree.

[Will]

So scary team. Got nothing to lose.

[Jack McPherson]

Amen.

[Will]

Going into Houston.

[Jack McPherson]

Let's go.

[Will]

They might have some trouble with that D line from Houston now for sure. Slow down. This is an under game. This is another game.

[Taylor Lewan]

C.J. stroud, he's having a tough one out there right now.

[Sports Commentator]

What sucked to hear was that Colts wide receiver be like, we walked on the field and saw that they just didn't even want it.

[Taylor Lewan]

Oh, like that is. That is heartbreaking.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jack McPherson]

Jones is picking them apart.

[Taylor Lewan]

Jamie Williams might be your mvp. He looks like he might be your mvp. Who knows?

[Will]

Hey, he does look good.

[Jack McPherson]

It feels good.

[Sports Commentator]

He's in a good spot for himself.

[Will]

And I loved hearing. I think it was Seyquan before the weekend. He was like, man, there's is seeing how everything went down with him in New York. There's nobody I'm rooting for. Harder to have success based on how good of like, you know, a dude, a worker of everything Daniel Jones is. So it is really cool to see him kind of balling out. Especially when they made that switch and the whole world was on fire about giving up on Anthony Richardson and he's going out there and proving those decision makers. Right.

[Taylor Lewan]

Saved a lot of people's jobs.

[Will]

Yeah.

[Jack McPherson]

Oh, yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

And I also love Was it Ursa's. Ursa's daughter on the field?

[Sports Analyst]

Oh, yeah.

[Taylor Lewan]

Taking notes the whole time. Has an earpiece in listening to play call. Like who knows if what she's actually doing but at the intentional. Being intentional about her father's team is very, very cool to me. I love it. Colts are spicy and the words of Wilcompton spicy.

[Will]

Colts are spicy.

[Taylor Lewan]

Keep the faith.

[Will]

Jaguars.

[Taylor Lewan]

Jaguars are the Colts are One in the division for sure.

[Will]

They keep going there, man. I'm just.

[Sports Commentator]

I mean in the AFC they're got to be one of the best three teams.

[Jack McPherson]

Damn breaking news. I mean you'll hear this tomorrow, but CD Lamb, this is today.

[Will]

This is the recap show.

[Jack McPherson]

Oh yeah. So perfect. CD Lamb will likely miss four to six weeks. Diagnosed with a high ankle sprain.

[Taylor Lewan]

Buddy, that is the worst news for the Cowboys.

[Jack McPherson]

Especially after the Cowboys losing the Bears yesterday.

[Taylor Lewan]

One CD went down. It was. Their offense was done. They handled them.

[Jack McPherson]

Yeah, it wasn't fun to watch. Yesterday was like a I. The Chiefs game. It's after the Titans game. You're just like, man, I'm going to put on a movie.

[Will]

So you were gone. Obviously you're watching Titans all afternoon, so you're in like your own little hell. But there were some moments yesterday in the afternoon, it's like the blocked kicks that were getting taken back. The jets and Baker goes on a game winning drive again. You think the jets are about to win the game because they blocked that kick.

[Football Commentator]

Kick.

[Taylor Lewan]

I love Minnesota.

[Jack McPherson]

The Eagles snuck it out.

[Will]

Minnesota. Carson Wentz looking good. He had the Eagles Rams game at the end. Not only that, but the entire gambling world that had the Rams like plus two and a half, plus three and a half and then it gets blocked and taken back.

[Taylor Lewan]

I was hoping Jordan Davis would go down. Yeah, fall, fall, fall, fall. Because Buddy, I, I was one of those gamblers that had him. Had a bag on him too.

[Sports Commentator]

What happened to the Falcons? Y' all watch that at all?

[Will]

I was just seeing the highlights. I was just. Because again, it's like Falcons, Panthers, even when I saw them down, I'm like ah, they'll probably figure it out and turn it around. Them not losing 30 to nothing against the Panthers.

[Taylor Lewan]

Yeah, let's listen. Great reaction show once again. If you stuck with us this long, use hashtag tear talk. Towards the end of the weekend we'll all questions, comments, concerns, everything. We will, we will hit them. Appreciate you guys. Michigan, Michigan, Michigan. Bustle bowl champions. Feels good. Feels good.

[Sports Analyst]

Feels like 97.

[Taylor Lewan]

Feels like 97 all over again. Done it, doesn't it?

[Will]

What are you asking? What's the question? Feels like this team feels like 97's team for Michigan.

[Taylor Lewan]

I don't want to ask that question because you can get around that. Who won the national championship in 1997?

[Will]

The Michigan Wolverines won the national.

[Taylor Lewan]

Big hugs, tiny kisses. We'll see you guys tomorrow.

[Will]

See you in the Big Ten Championship.

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