Call It Hot Takes, Hollywood Dreams and One Savage Frenemy

Summary

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Call It What It Is

Episode: "Call It Hot Takes, Hollywood Dreams and One Savage Frenemy"

Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Jessica Capshaw & Camilla Luddington
Special Contributor: Evie (iHeart Producer/Host)

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Episode Overview

In this lively Listener Q&A episode of Call It What It Is, real-life best friends Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington (known for their roles on Grey’s Anatomy) are put in the hot seat by producer Evie. Instead of questioning each other, they field unfiltered fan questions, drawing on their industry experiences and close friendship. Topics range from outrageous TV plots and behind-the-scenes TikTok creativity to navigating frenemies, Hollywood rivalries, and candid relationship advice. The camaraderie, support, and irreverent humor the duo is known for shine throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Switching up the Q&A Format

• Evie drives the questioning, and Jessica & Camilla are given three “passes” each if they prefer not to answer a question, giving the episode a fun game-show feel.
  • (03:33) Camilla: “It’s kind of like a game show. Listener Q&A. I’m not even gonna look at the questions.”
  • Jessica: “Use them wisely.” (03:57)

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Outrageous TV Plots – How Real Are They?

• 911 Nashville’s Flying Kite Incident:

  • Jessica is asked whether the now-infamous ‘girl flying off on a kite’ from 911 Nashville could actually happen in real life.
  • Jessica reveals that while the writers base their stories in reality, what happens onscreen is usually "teased out and made bigger… more meaty." (05:17)
  • Camilla jokes the kite would’ve been recalled, adding levity to the conversation.

  Notable Quote:

  • Jessica: “I’m gonna guess that what you saw happen... I don’t think anyone needs to worry at the park.” (05:09)

• Both reflect on TV writers’ imaginations and the fine line between the outrageous and the possible.

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Missing Former Colleagues

• Which Former Grey's Star Do You Miss the Most?
  • Camilla: “Jake Borelli. That relationship that him and Jo had… we just always got along really well.” (06:15)
  • Jessica reminisces about her early days as a guest star, and how both she and Jake bonded over the anxiety of hoping to be kept on.

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Which Role Would You Choose in Real Life?

• Jessica is given a humorous rundown of her past roles: lawyer, doctor, “rich wife married to a fireman.”
  • She leans toward being a lawyer, citing her love for debate and rules. (07:43)
  • Camilla teases: “I’m feeling Blythe myself… just that combo is over it. And she does have a job, you guys.” (08:30)

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Social Media & TikTok Creativity

• How Do You Come Up with Your TikToks?
  • Camilla’s creative process is part inspiration, part collaboration (with help from their friend Kyle).
  • Jessica compliments Camilla’s imagination:
    “You might have more folds in your brain… all of a sudden things just pop out. And you see them in full Technicolor.” (09:51)
• They talk about the desire to show a lighter side on social media, especially since their primary show (Grey’s Anatomy) is so dramatic.
  • Camilla: “I want to have this be something that’s just more fun and show that lighter side of myself… Maybe know that I can do comedy one day.” (11:02)
  • Both praise the trend of actors having more fun online.

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Getting Others Involved in Social Media

• Getting Colleagues on Board: Kim Raver (Teddy on Grey’s) is always eager to join Camilla’s TikToks, while production assistants (PAs) sometimes hide to avoid the camera! (14:53)
• Camilla is understanding of coworkers needing to opt-out, especially on emotional filming days.

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On-Screen Nemeses & Real-Life Frenemies

• LeAnn Rimes as Jessica’s Nemesis on 911:
  • Jessica recounts experiences with mean-spirited people early in her career—namely, the “covert mean” actress who would make passive-aggressive remarks before a scene. (22:55)
  • “She was a saboteur. I would have handled that differently now… I think I would have been able to draw some boundaries.”
• Both agree that real-life chemistry helps fuel on-screen rivalry in a playful (and safe) way.

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Recurring Audition Rivals in Hollywood

• Both have faces they've constantly seen in audition rooms:
  • Camilla often found herself up against Sarah Elson, who “had that thing.”
  • Jessica remembers Leslie Bibb and, on one occasion, Keri Russell. They even made a dinner bet—Keri got the part and paid for dinner. (26:46)

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Dream Storylines and Showrunners’ Powers

• Camilla’s Dream Plot for Grey’s Anatomy:
  • Without giving too much away, Camilla teases an idea involving Katherine Heigl’s character, and pitches a true villain doctor, a sociopath sabotaging others, “starting rumors, being awful, like, taking surgeries. Pure sabotage.” (29:36)

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Family & the Acting Life

• Did Jessica’s Mom Try to Discourage Acting?
  • Jessica says her parents were always supportive, though she’s now “protective” as a mother seeing her kids show early creative interest, recognizing how much luck is involved in “where talent and luck collide.” (30:02)
• The hosts reflect on how ‘breaking in’ has changed with social media and content creation tools.

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Rapid-Fire Rounds

Sexiest Man Alive/TV Show Recs/Who Would Play You

• Sexiest Man Alive:

  • Jessica (32:16): “There’s so much Glen Powell energy around me… I feel like everyone’s putting him up… might be his time.”
  • Camilla agrees, sharing her daughter Hayden is also invested in Glenn Powell’s TV fate.

• Dancing with the Stars:

  • Robert Irwin gets their votes for sweetness, but Whitney (for TikTok prowess) and her dance partner Mark also get a shout.
  • Neither wants to compete—too much work!
    • Camilla: “I’m a little slothy.” (34:56)

• Celebrity doppelgängers:

  • Jessica: “I always get Reese Witherspoon’s sister.” (35:07)
  • Camilla: “I get told I look like Rose Byrne a lot.” (35:12)
  • Camilla would love to play Rose Byrne’s sister.

• Who Would Play You in a Biopic?

  • Camilla nominates Olivia Holt.
  • Jessica mentions a younger version of Blythe has been cast but can’t yet reveal who.

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Grey’s Anatomy Role Swap

• Both would love to swap—Camilla as Arizona Robbins, Jessica as Jo.
  • Camilla: “I want a day as Arizona Robbins.” (41:42)
  • Jessica: “I think that we’d swap.” (41:47)

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What Are You Watching?

• Jessica keeps lists but doesn’t have time for much TV, plans to binge in the winter.
• Camilla recommends Pen15 (42:14): “It’s absolutely incredible.”

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In the Kitchen

• Jessica: “Breakfast is my specialty… flipping eggs and pancakes.” Makes “the perfect bite” with each element. Says chicken pot pie is a passion project—“Don’t take chicken pot pie for granted, because a lot of work goes into them.” (44:21)
• Camilla: “Matt [her husband] cooks in my household… I can make a really good spaghetti bolognese.” (44:46)

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“This or That” TV Romance Round

• Felicity: Ben over Noel.
• Sex and the City: Both choose neither Big nor Aiden, but nuance the characters—Big is “a jerk,” Aiden “too mushy.”
• Grey’s Anatomy: Camilla says “McDreamy” for herself and “Dreamy” for Meredith. (46:50)
• The Summer I Turned Pretty: Everyone agrees—Conrad.

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True Crime & Reality TV Obsessions

• Camilla is a true crime fanatic—loves Dateline, Discovery, and particularly fixated on LA’s Cecil Hotel. (47:57-48:44)
• Camilla would have loved to be the Bachelorette for the lifestyle, Jessica finds Survivor compelling.

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Relationship and Dating Advice

• Green Flags on a Date: Listening, humor, manners, and treating servers well. (50:26-51:19)
• US vs. UK Dating: Camilla finds the UK “cheekier” and probably a bit harder.
• Perfect First Date: Early start, not too much pressure, maybe an activity like bowling—“Bowling is an excellent first date!” (54:08)
• Drink Before a First Date?
  • Jessica: “I think you want to show up as yourself.” (54:53)
  • Camilla: Too risky for her, she’s a lightweight.
• Texting Your Ex:
  • Camilla: “If you’re wondering if it’s meant to be, go for it… but be okay with being rejected.” (55:16)
• First Time—Is There a Right Age?
  • Camilla: “I think, wait until college.”
  • Jessica: “There are some wrong ages.” “You’re never going to regret not having sex.” (56:06)
• Telling a Friend About a Crush:
  • Camilla: “Tell them! Today is the day.”
  • Jessica: “If you want to be the leading lady in your own life… you’re definitely telling them.” (56:36)
• Meeting People Over 35:
  • Grocery stores and bookstores (“Barnes & Noble is where it’s at!”) win their vote over clubs. (57:01)
  • Camilla: “If I had been single and in the section [at Barnes & Noble] and he grabbed [a book] for me… married instantly!” (57:40)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s like where talent and luck collide, right, in this business.” —Jessica (30:33)
• “If you want to be the leading lady in your own life… you’re definitely telling them.” —Jessica, on confessing a crush (56:36)
• “Bowling is an excellent first date. I’m serious… you get to get up and bowl and be a little competitive and maybe it can be a little flirty.” —Camilla (54:08)
• “You don’t write movies about people who don’t tell them. You write movies about people who do tell them.” —Jessica (56:43)

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Tone & Atmosphere

Warm, funny, supportive, with plenty of relatable asides and best friend bickering. The episode blends practical advice and industry candor with laughter, real talk, and loyalty—Often returning to the importance of showing up for your people, then also for yourself.

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Standout Segments with Timestamps

• [05:09] The flying kite incident from 911 Nashville and TV writers’ creativity
• [09:51] Jessica’s praise for Camilla’s creative mind
• [14:53] Camilla on TikTok, getting Kim Raver’s help, and PAs hiding!
• [22:55] Jessica relates her experience with a passive-aggressive actress: "She was a saboteur."
• [29:36] Camilla pitches a true villain for Grey’s Anatomy
• [35:07] Celeb doppelgängers—Jessica gets Reese Witherspoon, Camilla gets Rose Byrne
• [44:21] The labor of love that is making chicken pot pie
• [54:08] Advocacy for bowling as the ultimate first date
• [56:36] Should you confess a crush to a friend? ("Tell them!")

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Final Thoughts

This Q&A episode delivers all the magic of Capshaw and Luddington’s real-life friendship and their unapologetic, unfiltered experiences as women in Hollywood. Whether talking TV tropes, personal nemeses, or relationship “green flags,” listeners are welcomed into their inner circle—pep talks, giggles, and all.

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Transcript

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Luddington]

Call it what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Ludington.

[Jessica Capshaw]

An iHeartRadio podcast.

[Camilla Luddington]

Well, hello, hello, hello, hello, Call it crew. And welcome to another episode of Call it what It Is. Listener Q and A. We're getting into some Q and A's today, Jess. You know what we're going to do, though?

[Jessica Capshaw]

We're going to.

[Camilla Luddington]

We're going to change it up a little bit because usually.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Tell me.

[Camilla Luddington]

Usually we ask each other the questions.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

And instead, our friend Evie, you'll hear her, like the voice of God in this episode. Yes, from I heart. She's going to be asking us the. The. The questions. And then we get the options of three passes. If we decide that we're like, we're gonna pass.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. Use them wisely.

[Camilla Luddington]

Use wisely. So it's a little. It's kind of like a game show. Listener Q A. I'm not even a look at the questions.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, you're. I don't know.

[Camilla Luddington]

I'm gonna be. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna get blindsided.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That.

[Anabe Sofa Announcer]

Okay, great.

[Jessica Capshaw]

We're gonna be surprised.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay, great.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

All right. Jumping in. So for Jessica.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Ooh.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Every.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Starting first. There you go.

[Camilla Luddington]

You're up first in the hot seat.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

So everyone's talking about the girl who was flying off on the kite in the premiere of 911 Nashville. And I want to know, do you think this is gonna. Is this something we should be concerned about? Like, does this. Can this actually happen? Can you actually be.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, like, if you go. If you go flying your kite.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

One day.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Should you be worried about, like, your kid? You know, as a parent, should you be concerned?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm told by the powers that be that all of these stories are rooted in some kind of honesty, like an actual story. The way this happened.

[Camilla Luddington]

Kimberly said that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So I'm told that. I'm told that that's true. I'm gonna guess that what you saw happen in the first episode of 911 Nashville with that kite, I'm gonna guess that that not gonna happen to anybody. I don't think anyone needs to worry at the park.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay, but you're saying that in the writers room, there's. There's. It's rooted in some truth like these.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yes, it's a. It's a.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's a real. Just like a Gray's. When they were real cases. These are real cases, and I think that then they just. You Know, use their. Their writer wizard brains and, And. And then they, you know, they. They tease it out and make it bigger and more. More meaty.

[Camilla Luddington]

I'm assuming that kite would have been recalled.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Probably. It might have been you, Camilla, as I heard. I know it was you. It. It. It was a genius move because it was so bananas.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

It was so bonkers.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It was so outside the realm of what you seem to think is possible that it really got your attention. I think it was the, you know, it was the. It was definitely the thing that was the water cooler talking.

[Camilla Luddington]

It was. It was very.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Whether you thought it was, you know, crazy or you thought it was fantastic.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, it's. It got everyone talking in the. For the pilot. It's very smart.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What you want.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Totally. Okay, so for Camilla. So other than Jessica, which actor do you miss the most? Who has left Grace?

[Camilla Luddington]

Jake Borelli. I love Jake. That. The relationship that him and Joe had, and we just. I don't know, we just had this, like. I just feel like behind the scenes, we just always got along really well, and that's the chemistry that you could see. And so I think that, like, definitely Jake Borelli.

[Jessica Capshaw]

He's so great.

[Camilla Luddington]

He's so awesome. I love him. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And he's so funny.

[Camilla Luddington]

Talented.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

And we just, like, we just work really well on screen, so definitely Jake Borelli.

[Jessica Capshaw]

He and I bonded over being guest stars first. And when you. When we both got there, we were both so excited to be there that we were like, just keep me. Just keep me. Just please.

[Camilla Luddington]

Just fingers crossed, you know that I was a guest star for a whole season, too, or recurring.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I. I mean, I do know that, but I feel like you were always meant to be there. Like, it. I don't know.

[Camilla Luddington]

I don't know. It was. I mean, yes, but it's Grey's Anatomy, and it's like I'd watched the season where interns were shot and killed, so I was like, that's always a little terrifying.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, yes, yes, I do remember that.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Anyways, okay. All right, on that note, all right.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

You'Ve played a lawyer on the Practice, a doctor on Grays, and now your rich wife married to a fireman. Which one would you choose to be in real life?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, in real life, a rich.

[Camilla Luddington]

Let me just repeat this for you. A rich wife married to a fireman. I don't know if it needs repeating. I'm just. I will stay out of this, but.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm just repeating that I'm sure that reductive descriptive description of Blythe Heart is really gonna make everyone on 911 Nashville happy. She's much more than that, let me just say that for the record. Okay. But I think in real life, I would like to be a. I think I would like to be a lawyer. I mean, I like. I love. I love rules. I love. I love debate. And I feel like every courtroom is kind of like a stage.

[Camilla Luddington]

Weren't you on the debate team?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

See? Yeah, it's clear for you. See, I listen. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So I would say that. And you know, doctors that just take so long to become one, there's so much responsibility. It's life or death all the time, you know?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. I'm feeling Blythe myself. Not that the question was for me, but I mean, just that combo is over it. And she does have. She has a job, you guys.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes. It's gonna come out.

[Camilla Luddington]

I mean. I mean.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, sorry. As a profession, I would pick being a lawyer, I imagine. But once you find out all the things that Blythe Heart does, then definitely I would pick her.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, I love it. Okay. A little tease in there, too.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. I pick her all the time.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay. So, Camilla, I'm obsessed with your TikToks. I follow you religiously and. Okay, I first want to know, how do you come up with the Ideas for your TikToks? Is it that you're scrolling your feed and you're saying, oh, wait, I want to recreate that, or is it just, like. Just come out of thin air, out of your creativity?

[Camilla Luddington]

Good question. Okay, so it's kind of a mix of both. Jessica and I both have the same person, sort of like helping us be creative on Tick Tock. Because the truth is, is that we don't have. We've talked about this. We don't have the time to go in and edit the stuff. But, like, creatively, we have very similar vibe. And the person that helps us, Kyle, he's amazing. He. Yes. He also loves the same sort of like, social media essence that we have. So definitely some things are me, because I don't. They're not coming from, like, a sound that, like.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I will say this because she won't say this about herself. We're one of the most creative people that I know. I mean, you really do. I've said this before, but truly, I think you might have, like, more folds in your brain or more recessed areas where things can hide, because all of a sudden, things just, like, pop out. And I observe that you see them in, like, full Technicolor. Like, you see the whole thing. And you're really good at it. So I'll just say that because you won't.

[Camilla Luddington]

I love you. I wish the skills were, like, a little bit more important than, like, do you know what I mean?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Than just like, she's really.

[Camilla Luddington]

Social media. Yeah, go ahead. But no, some of it's. Some of it's my own creative, and some of it is like being inspired by seeing someone else do something on Tick Tock and thinking that's really funny. How can I make it a little different? So it's a mix of all of it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

And I like to be. I think that, like, God, we just had this conversation, Jess and I recently, about, you know, whether we. I should be more serious on social media or not.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Oh, come on.

[Camilla Luddington]

I think that. I think that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Say more. Say why. I mean, I think that you. I mean, I received a message from.

[Camilla Luddington]

What? Why? I'm not.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Why aren't you more serious?

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay, that's a good. Yeah, yeah, we just. And I recently had a conversation because, you know, I was wondering, do I need to be more serious on social media? And the truth is, is that, like, I feel like it's a part of the job that we have to do. I'm on a show that's a big drama, and I want to have this be something that's just more fun and show that lighter side of myself and show the comedic side of myself. I feel like it's like my own little snl. Lauren, please reach out. And you could totally be. And I think that. I think that is. It is. There is. It's curated in a way that it probably looks like I'm just, like, doing something fun. But there's a lot of thought and strategy behind the things that I post. But, yeah, I want people to see that other side of me and maybe know that I can do comedy one day. That's what I would love to do after the show or love to do with, you know, Jazz in a movie. Hello? Yeah, so. So it's. I. I like having it be an extension of just like a lighter side of me.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Totally. And I've seen.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And from the audience side because a lot of times I don't see the stuff that she does. And then I'll see it for the first time when I go on to, you know, any. Whatever I'm going on to that day. But it personally brings me so much joy. Like, I mean, listen, I think that social media is a mixed bag. We all know that. And I can tell when I'm. If I Have to strike the right balance for me. Like, I know what amount makes me happy and fills me up. And I know that when I get into the. We're in. When I get into the red and I'm looking at it too much and I. I'm. It's not good for me. I do think it's completely addictive. But when I watch yours, I just.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

They're so.

[Jessica Capshaw]

They make me laugh and they feel joyous, and I think that that's such a nice little eyeball punch of happy, you know? Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

I also think there's been this, like, trend in our industry where we had to be very serious all the time, and now actors get to play with social media a little more. And so, like, Sarah Paulson's doing, you know, TikToks, and even Leonardo DiCaprio is doing TikToks. And it's like, we get to, like, just have a little fun and lean into the light with social media and not make everything so serious. So I'm enjoying that new trend of things not taking myself too seriously too.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Totally. Yeah. And when you're.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That feels like it's like mindset too, because when you hear people say, I agree. I think it's a big piece of being, you know, when you're working in television or film, this. The social media piece has become an extension of that. And I think you could look at it as a burden and think, oh, my gosh, I'm under it and I have to do this to support the work that I'm doing or whatever. But if you can find your way in or find your voice or find your personality, which, Camilla, I think you so have, then you actually feel more like, I get to, like, I get to do that. And I think when you. When you're coming up with an idea, like when we. I mean, it was like two years ago, but when you came up with the idea for us to do that Barbie video, I mean, you. You were so lit up by it.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

And you were like, this is the.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Shot and then this is the angle and this is the costume and this is the.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And it doesn't take a long time. I mean, we're not shooting, like 10 takes of whatever it is.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's like you're going.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And you're just going fast and you're doing it, and then, you know, and then Kyle is doing his magic and cutting it together to make it all look like, you know, perfect.

[Camilla Luddington]

I think also, like, the truth is that we just. We have fun doing it. Yeah, Right. Like, if we have to do it. We might as well have fun doing it, right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

And if you're, you know, you're. I've seen you direct all these different tiktoks for like your fellow Grace castmates.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

So. And it is scary to bring other people in and try to encourage them to join you. You know, who is, who is the most eager to join and then who is the toughest to convince to, to come in the video?

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay, let me see if I can really answer this. The most eager Kim Raver is always down. She's always down to do a tick tock with me. I think because, or like something for social media. I think because she's also learned to like, lean into the fun and she's having a great time with social media right now too. And so it's like I owe her and then she owes me and it kind of helps each other. I'm trying to think of someone that's hard to get to do it. I think sometimes, you know, we have our PAs that assist us on set and I think that they don't want to see me coming with that camera. Sometimes they're like, just please, for God's sakes, leave me alone for the day.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Let us be back.

[Camilla Luddington]

And I'm like, you gotta do it. I don't really. I mean, I always give them the choice, but like, I can tell that they'd rather just be doing their, their job right then. Jumping in at lunchtime with me, that's great.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Is there anyone that's been like, no. Hard, hard. Stop. Hard. No.

[Camilla Luddington]

There are days when people are, you know, there are days when people are like, I just don't feel like it. And I get it. Because there are days when, you know, we have someone on set that's taking social media and I'm doing like a very emotional scene. And they're like, you know, hey, will you do this thing for the show? And I'm like, you guys, it's not the day. Like, I. This day is too emotional for me. I just don't want. This is not what I need to be doing. So I respect it, you know?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay. Jessica, Leanne Rimes is your nemesis on 91 1.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It just made me flashback on Burger Gate because, basically.

[Camilla Luddington]

Because why?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Because it was, it was the beginning of social media.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know, you were just trying to do your job.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And I was evidently not a game participant.

[Camilla Luddington]

It always goes back to Burger Gate. It can all go back.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'll star in all of your social media.

[Camilla Luddington]

I know I love you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

If you're a parent looking for a screen free way to keep your kids entertained and make bedtime a little more magical, this one's for you.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's called the Story Dream Machine. Each machine comes with three enchanting stories to start the journey and it brings the to life with sound effects, colorful lights and read aloud narration. Plus it projects the words on the wall while the story plays so kids can build reading skills while they listen.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You can even collect more story packs sold separately. And there's a ton to choose from. From fairy tales to bedtime classics. All the good stuff. And when the story's over, the Story Dream Machine transforms into a white noise nightlight which as any tired parent knows, is the dream.

[Camilla Luddington]

There's even a travel case so story time can go with you. You can take it to Grandma's house on vacation. Wherever you're away from home when the kids might need a little extra help.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Getting to sleep, you'll find the Story Dream Machine at Walmart, Target, Amazon, costco [e-mail] bring story time to life with the Story Dream Machine.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Hey TikTok creators. Are you ready for your moment? Because this is it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

TikTok's Live Fest 2025 is back and it's bigger than ever.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's the annual celebration that puts creators like you from all over the world in the spotlight.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Whether you're singing in your room, sharing Grandma's famous cookie recipe, or gaming your heart out in real time, there's a.

[Camilla Luddington]

Whole, whole audience out there waiting to cheer you on. And live is where it happens.

[Jessica Capshaw]

TikTok Live is like your personal stage one tap on the Go Live button and you're sharing your life, your talent and your story.

[Camilla Luddington]

And this year, Live Fest could put you on the red carpet.

[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Luddington]

So whether you're just starting out on TikTok or already growing your community, check out Live Festival 2025 on TikTok to find out how you can be part of this global celebration. Let's elevate live together.

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[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

We're taking it back to 911. So Leanne Rimes is your nemesis on 911. Have you ever had anyone in real life? It's like that. Do you have any enemies, Jessica?

[Camilla Luddington]

Haven't we all? Let's be honest. Like, if you've gone through life without a little nemesis situation, have you lived right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, there was one, you know, back in elementary school. She really. She was a popular girl and she was just an excluder. It wasn't even like a ne. She wasn't my nemesis. But, oh, if I could have had a voodoo doll.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know, she was just mean. If I, I played out a lot of stories in my mind.

[Camilla Luddington]

Do you ever go back and like, do like that?

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know what?

[Camilla Luddington]

No. You did. Oh, you did.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I did. I looked her up. Yeah. No, she was mean. She was mean with a capital M. And then. No, I mean, I feel like I, I don't, I don't, I don't think I attract meanies. So I don't, I don't have Meanings in my life. I will say I was very surprised. Early days. In one of my first jobs, there was a woman who came and she just. She was like one of the. Her personality was just. She was kind of like. She was mean, but she didn't seem mean.

[Camilla Luddington]

She was covert mean.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, yeah, that's.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But it was like a little bit of that. And I kind of go in a little like, wide eyed and like, just assume that everyone's gonna be really nice, because why wouldn't they be? And she was nice and she seemed nice, but she would just do that thing that was a little bit like. It was a little bit of like, you know, right before the camera rolls, you know, there's like some comment like, you know, wow, they put a lot of eye makeup on you today. And action.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Passive.

[Camilla Luddington]

And I would be like, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And all I could think about during the scene was whether or not I had too much eye makeup on.

[Camilla Luddington]

A little sabotaging.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She was a. Yeah, she was a saboteur. She was a saboteur. I would have handled that differently now. I think I would have been able to draw some boundaries. But now I'm not really a nemesis attractor. I think that that's why Leanne and I have so much fun playing. It is. She's not either. And so when we get into the. When we get into our Blythe and Dixie moments and we start like, you know, with the. With the head bobbing with the cobra. Yeah, we have the head snake situation. Yeah, we really get into it.

[Camilla Luddington]

I don't. Can I tell you something? I don't think it would work if you guys didn't really like each other in real life. It works because you guys actually get along. So you're able to play in those moments and then play in social media.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah, we can push as far as we want. Yeah, yeah, we know it's not.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, exactly. Right.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. You'd be afraid to really go for it if you thought, oh, gosh, someone's gonna be tender. Yeah. And like, think I really mean this. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's great.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Have there ever been any other actresses, you know, over either of your careers where you feel like you're just kept being put up for the same things? It was almost like manufactured or circumstantial nemesis. Not that you kept seeing each other at the same auditions. You're like, you again.

[Camilla Luddington]

I. I know someone that I kept seeing, but it was. She's so nice that it would never have been a nemesis. And I doubt she even Remembers me. But Sarah Olsen was, like, the girl to, like, always be in the audition room. And all the casting directors loved her because she was just. I mean, I would have cast her. I remember walking into. Every time that I saw her, I. You know, Sarah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Camilla Luddington]

I've never even said hi to her, but she was someone I always saw in the room. And I'd walk in, like, mop.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Because she had that thing. And I was like, oh. And so Sarah else and I were. Yeah, she probably didn't even realize I was in the room with her. But I was in the room with her all the time in the waiting room.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But everything you just said about her, I feel about you, so I'm sure she was feeling the same way about you. No, but you're correct. So Sarah is just one of those people who is in, like, every room is better with her in it. She's just got this, like, light.

[Camilla Luddington]

She has the thing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, she really does.

[Camilla Luddington]

I don't think she felt that way about me because I wasn't getting cast. I mean, maybe I was. I just didn't know it. But, like. Yeah, I think that I would look back and she would get cast in the things that I was up for.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She didn't notice you.

[Camilla Luddington]

Did you have someone that you always would see?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, gosh. I mean, back in the auditioning days, like, when you were really. Go and sign in on the sheet and sit down and nervously hold your sides and be shaking, talking to yourself and, you know, going to the bathroom to put on one extra layer of lip gloss. Yeah, check and make sure.

[Camilla Luddington]

More eye makeup or eye makeup?

[Jessica Capshaw]

More eye makeup. Yeah, it was. Gosh, it was probably like. I mean. Oh, gosh, wait, give me a second to really think. Cut all my thinking out, please.

[Camilla Luddington]

Weren't you and Keri Russell in the same room together a lot?

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know what, Kerri? Well, actually, Carrie was just so far, like, leaps and bounds ahead of me and had had, like, this incredible, you know, run on Felicity. And, I mean, I definitely wouldn't have considered myself in the same category as her. But she and I did end up doing a movie together.

[Camilla Luddington]

That's right. You've talked about it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

A miniseries together. And then after that, we did end up auditioning for the same play that was in New York City together. And it was down to she and I. And we went into audition and we. We said, whoever gets the part has to. We were having dinner that night. Whoever gets the part has to pay for dinner. And she got the part. So she paid for Dinner.

[Camilla Luddington]

You're like, I'll take the lobster.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly. But then it was funny because then they ended up extending the run, and she couldn't do it. I think her dates didn't work. And they. And they came to me and said, will you do it? So we actually both ended up getting together.

[Camilla Luddington]

That's really fun.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Play. But, yeah, it was.

[Camilla Luddington]

I mean, you and Kate Hudson. I feel like you and Kate Hudson would have been, like, in similar rooms.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No. Because she sort of was off to the races a lot. She was shot out of a cannon with almost.

[Camilla Luddington]

I know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. And she was just like, who? But in the television world, I mean, that's. The other thing is, like, I really worked in television almost from the beginning. But I remember, you know, I mean, Leslie Bibb. We've talked about this before, but Leslie Bibb and I have always been in audition rooms together.

[Camilla Luddington]

I should.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, I would have to really think far back. All right, got it.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Interesting.

[Jessica Capshaw]

We'll come back.

[Camilla Luddington]

If the name comes, we'll come back.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Get some names back.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Camilla.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yes.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

So if you were to develop your own storyline in Grace, which angle would you take? What would you.

[Camilla Luddington]

There's a storyline that I really love the idea of, and it's really good, but I don't want to say it because it's really good.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay.

[Camilla Luddington]

And it would be a storyline that involves Katie Heigl, and I think it could be so excellent. But I don't want to say it other than that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Boring.

[Camilla Luddington]

I know. It's very boring. Here's what I. Here's what I always honestly pitch that I just think I've pitched so many times of being like, we should do this, and they clearly don't, you know, they don't want to do it. I do think that we should have a season where we have an absolute villain on the pod. I want a doctor that comes in and is, like, kind of a sociopath. Yes. Oh, sorry. Yes. I said on the pod, on Grace, I want a villain to come in on Grays. That's like kind of is an absolute sociopath doctor and is purely, like, sabotage. Because we. We have characters that are like, you know, they're redeeming. It's like, I want someone that's out for everyone and just up, like, starting rumors, being awful, like, taking surgeries. Pure sabotage. And people. The audience gets to watch it, and the doctors don't know. I just think it would be a fantastic season. So, like, an evil villain.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Dr. Gray's villain.

[Camilla Luddington]

A real true villain. Yeah. Love it.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay. I like that. Okay, Jessica.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

So growing up in a celebrity family, did your mom try to talk to you out of being an actor or stay out of Hollywood altogether? Did. Was that anything that was advised? Because I know some, you know, parents of actors are like, you would never tell you to do this now.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, no, no. She didn't try and talk me out of it. I think now as an actress that has children who are nowhere near getting job ages, but are putting together their idea of, you know, this, that and the other, whenever they talk about storytelling or talk about maybe going into acting or anything like that, I'm always, I'm like, it's just. You feel protective in a weird way because you're like, it's so hard.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, it's.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, I think, you know, listen. I mean, most jobs are hard and most work is hard, right? It's called work. But there's something that seems just so. It's like where. Whatever that thing is, it's like where talent and luck collide, right, in this business. And so there's, you know, there's the talent piece, but then there's also a lot of luck involved. So I can imagine being the parent and going, oh, my gosh, no, like, run, go somewhere else. Go do something else. But no, my parents weren't like that. They were very supportive and. And then, yeah, they were very. They were very supportive.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Do you think that's especially true for, you know, those going into work now and then future generations? Like, the industry has changed so much.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I guess that's the question that maybe everyone's asking, right? Like, there's so many ways to get your work out there that, like, so many people who might not have been able to break into this business can now, because you've got, you know, you've got a content creating machine in your pocket. You know, you can, you can make your own content and you can break through in so many different ways. And I don't know if that makes it. But I don't know if that makes it easier because then of course, there's more content to sort of, like, sift through. So I don't know. I mean, I do think it's changed so much. I think it would be so interesting to take a class on how it's changed.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, so I want to. We've got now questions for both of you, and we can kind of do a rapid fire for some of these fun ones.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

All Right. Who should be sexiest man alive this year?

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know, I'm feeling so much. I'm just. Maybe the algorithm is serving it up hot. But there's so much Glenn Powell energy around me.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like, I feel like. And I just. I got home from work late and I turned on the TV and Chad Powers was like, right there. And I watched the first episode. I didn't realize that he also wrote it and he did. Yes.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, that's sexy. They're sexy right there.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Story. Maybe it's the whole script. Yeah, No, I think that it was. There's a lot of Glen Powell. I feel like. I feel like everyone's, like, putting him up with this. You know, that movie. Anyone but you. I feel like it might be his time.

[Camilla Luddington]

I agree. You know what's really funny is we watched. We watched Twisters because Hayden, like, liked the first twister, right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Watch the second one. I fast forwarded through some of the really scary parts, but everyone left and right was getting injured. Right. And Hayden was like, chill with it. When Glenn was finally in danger, that's when the tears started. It was like, not Glenn. And I could tell. I was like, she's got. She knows for him too. She would have voted for Glenn. Yeah, that's. She was like, anybody but Glenn.

[Jessica Capshaw]

See, but it's funny because you just made. When you said Glen Powell, you made me think of Daisy Edgar Jones. And then that made me think about normal people and that made me think about Paul Mescal and he is also. I loved that show. You know, I loved that show.

[Camilla Luddington]

I know. It was a great show, people.

[Jessica Capshaw]

God, that was a good show, those two together.

[Camilla Luddington]

Put them both on the COVID Yeah, they're the.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's a shared cover.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Who would you like to see when Dancing with the Stars?

[Camilla Luddington]

Jess, That's a you question.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I know. I know. It is a me question. Well, unfortunately, I've been working during every single time that the show is live, and I really like to watch it live. I don't like to watch it after it's already been recorded. So I feel very much like this season is. I'm not as. As up on it as I normally am. However, I really like that Robert Irwin. He seems just so sweet.

[Camilla Luddington]

I mean, I don't watch, but I love him. And so that's my vote too. Although I gotta say, Whitney, I don't watch the show, but Whitney's gonna killing it with the tick tocks. She's killing it with someone who's like, really bringing attention to the show. Purely from that stance, like, she gets the vote.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She sure is.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And she has Mark as her partner who's, you know, clearly, I know what he's doing, so.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, they are. Definitely Bring it.

[Camilla Luddington]

But I do.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I do love the energy of everyone there. I really do. I love everyone's energy there.

[Camilla Luddington]

I gotta start watching.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's a good cast.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. People really love it this season.

[Jessica Capshaw]

They sure do. Would you ever do it?

[Camilla Luddington]

No.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, me neither.

[Camilla Luddington]

No, it looks. I think it looks.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I wouldn't, because I think that it looks too hard.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's a lot of work. Yeah. Yeah. I just, you know, me too hard. I'm a little slothy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

All right. What celebrity do you get mistaken for the most?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, I just always get Reese Witherspoon's sister.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. I get told I look like Rose Burn a lot.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, I see that.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. But I don't. It's not, like, mistaken for.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Just like, I think that's somebody that I. That I look like. Listen, set. If I could play Roseburn's sister in anything, I would like. I'm obsessed. Like, I would love it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, we've got. We got two good ones. We're the sisters.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. We can be sisters because of two.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Very excellent actresses and humans beyond.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay, take it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'll take it.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

All right. So similarly, what actress would you want to play you in a biopic? Boo.

[Camilla Luddington]

Play me in a biopic. I guess so. It has to be younger. I love Olivia Holt, and she's a little round facey like me, and I think she's really good. I would vote for Olivia Holt. I love her also. That makes me sound, like, really like. Because she's so gorgeous. That makes me sound like. I really think I'm really gorgeous, too.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, you do.

[Camilla Luddington]

Well, I love you, but I just. I think she's fantastic. Who would you want?

[Pandora Jewelry Announcer]

You.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't have one.

[Camilla Luddington]

Can we tease that there's a younger version of you happening?

[Jessica Capshaw]

There is. On the show. There's a younger version. There's. But, yes, there has been. There's been someone hired to play a younger version of Blythe.

[Camilla Luddington]

She can't reveal it yet.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't think so.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, I don't think so. Let's.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But.

[Camilla Luddington]

But there is a younger you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She's fantastic. I'm trying to know her.

[Camilla Luddington]

You know the girl that's playing Elle Woods? What's her name? She's playing Elle woods in the new.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, yeah. She's so cute.

[Camilla Luddington]

She could be you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, see, it's ever with all.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah. But she could be you. Definitely. She could play young you.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Name's Lexi Mindtree.

[Camilla Luddington]

Lexi Mindtree could play you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Good name.

[Camilla Luddington]

Fantastic name.

[Jessica Capshaw]

If you're a parent looking for a screen free way to keep your kids entertained and make bedtime a little more magical. This one's for you.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's called the Story Dream Machine. Each machine comes with three enchanting stories to start the journey and it brings the stories to life with sound effects, colorful lights and read aloud narration. Plus it projects the words on the wall while the story plays so kids can build reading skills while they listen.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You can even collect more story packs sold separately. And there's a ton to choose from. From fairy tales to bedtime classics. All the good stuff. And when the story's over, the Story Dream Machine transforms into a white noise nightlight which as any tired parent knows, is the dream.

[Camilla Luddington]

There's even a travel case so story time can go with you. You can take it to Grandma's house on vacation, wherever you're away from home when the kids might need a little.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Extra help getting to sleep, you'll find the Story Dream Machine at Walmart, Target, Amazon, costco [e-mail] bring storytime to life with the Story Dream Machine.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Hey Tick Tock creators. Are you ready for your moment?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Because this is it. Tick Tock's Live Fest 2025 is back and it's bigger than ever.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's the annual celebration that puts creators like you from all over the world in the spotlight.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Whether you're singing in your room, sharing grandma's famous cookie recipe, or gaming your heart out in real time.

[Camilla Luddington]

There's a whole audience out there waiting to cheer you on. And live is where it happens.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Tick Tock Live is like your personal stage. One tap on the Go Live button and you're sharing your life, your talent, and your story.

[Camilla Luddington]

And this year, Live Fest could put you on the red carpet.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Seriously, take home real trophies and be honored at TikTok's biggest awards event.

[Camilla Luddington]

So whether you're just starting out on Tick Tock or already growing your community, check out hashtag live fest 2025 on TikTok to find out how you can be part of this global celebration. Let's elevate live together.

[LEGO Star Wars Announcer]

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[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

So what is a role that the other one has done that you wish was on your resume.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Huh, Joe? Each other. Yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

So, Jessica for Camila.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Can you imagine me as Joe?

[Camilla Luddington]

I was about to say, like, I want a day as Arizona Robbins.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I think that. That we'd swap.

[Camilla Luddington]

I think we'd swap. Grace. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. All right.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Are there any shows that I should be watching on tv, guys?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm. I literally have a list that I just keep adding to because people talk about how great something is and I'm. I just don't have the time for it right now. I feel like when I winter this year, I'm gonna really watch a lot of shows and then I'll. And then I'll be able to.

[Camilla Luddington]

I do. I have a show. It's aired and it got. It's already aired and it's gotten nominated. But Pen15 is a comedy show on Hulu. And it's absolutely incredible. And honestly, those are the girls that should write us our comedy sorority movie. Jess. So I would say pen 15. Is this a pass for you, Jess? Is this your first pass?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Sure. Pass.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

All right.

[Camilla Luddington]

Used one already. All right, dangerous game there.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

What is your best dish you can prepare in the kitchen? And can you tell us the recipe?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, for God's sakes. Everyone knows I can't cook.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, you know, you. She can.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm a short order cook more than anything. Like, I like to make. You know, I like to make the. The, like, breakfast is my specialty. Like, I'm like, flipping eggs and pancakes. Yeah, Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

A big American breakfast.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Like, what do you want? I like an. I love, like, making a homemade, like, egg and cheese. Like that. That stuff. I love it. I get made fun of, but affectionately in my family and friends because I like to make the perfect bites. Like, I every. Like, if. If. If a plate has four different things on it, I like to have, like, a tiny bit of each one on my fork. Oh, like a perfect bite. I'm a big sandwich fan. I'm a big fan of assembling sandwiches. I love a sandwich. I actually think a sandwich is almost a perfect food. But I can follow any recipe. And I love to cook. And I love to. I love all of it. I love. From the. From the. Going through the cookbooks or looking online, and then I love the grocery shop, and I love going with the kids to do that and then coming home and putting it all together. I gotta be in my bonnet about making a chicken pot pie, because chicken pot pie is one of my favorite things in the whole entire world. And we made one from scratch. And the only thing I didn't make was the pastry dough. I did buy that frozen, but it was quite delicious. And by the way, don't take a chicken pot pie for granted, because a lot of work goes into them.

[Camilla Luddington]

No, it does.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. And I would not lead anyone down the wrong path here and thinking that this is something I do on the daily. I do not. This is a once a year occasion.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, but I do when I can, and I really love it. I love to cook. I'm not. My daughters are more bakers. They love making structured cookies and banana breads and all that kind of stuff. But I do love to cook.

[Camilla Luddington]

So Matt cooks in my household. He's a really good cook. You know, these Midwest boys, they know how to cook. I don't. However, I can make A really good spaghetti bolognese. Oh, really good.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's a good thing to know how to do.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. And the kids love it. It's like the one thing I feel like if we don't know what to make and they're being fussy about, they'll both eat a good spaghetti bolognese.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Yeah. Great.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay, we've got a. We've got a series of choices here.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay, Go.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Ben or Noel big or Aiden. McSteemy McDreamy McVet or Dr. Nick Marsh. Conrad or Jeremiah. We'll start. Ben or Noel. That's Felicity. Do you guys know that?

[Camilla Luddington]

Which one's Ben?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I think it's Noel, by the way.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Oh, no, I didn't watch.

[Camilla Luddington]

Felicity is Ben Speedman.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It sounds weird that that's his name though now. Like, when was the last time you met a person named Noel? Oh, yes.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah, it would be. No, Speedman. Scott Speedman.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Ben is Speedman. Yeah. Back in the day it would have been Ben. Ben. Yeah. Yeah. Although Foley, who plays Noel, is phenomenal. And like.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, but there was something about Ben. There was something about Ben.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, but Ben was the bad boy as well.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, exactly. Ben. Next one.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Bigger. Aiden.

[Camilla Luddington]

Neither. Yeah, I'm not a fan of either.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Really?

[Camilla Luddington]

No.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Either.

[Camilla Luddington]

Neither.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay, but if you had to choose.

[Camilla Luddington]

If I had to choose.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, well, I can answer this. Back then, it big. I didn't know. I didn't have all the information, and now I would say, nope.

[Camilla Luddington]

I. I would have said Aiden because I knew the bid would. I thought he was a jerk all the time. But Aiden's too mushy for her. She needed a little again.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's like the.

[Camilla Luddington]

He needed. She. He needed more spice.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Big Needed more spice.

[Camilla Luddington]

Aiden, but needed more Spice. Okay, go.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

McStimi. McDreamy McVett or Dr. Nick Marsh.

[Camilla Luddington]

McDreamy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I can't even answer that because I can't. I can't win. I have to.

[Camilla Luddington]

I mean, you can answer in terms of. I mean, obviously you've. You work. You've worked with so many of these actors, but, like, you got it in.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Terms of Meredith Gray again. Ask again.

[Camilla Luddington]

Ask again. All right, go.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

McSteemy. McDreamy McVett or Dr. Nick Marsh?

[Camilla Luddington]

For Meredith McVett, it's Chris O'.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Donnell.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay. She's going 91 1. She's. You know what? Would you have answered that back in 2005?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't know.

[Camilla Luddington]

I say dreamy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, for Meredith, yes.

[Camilla Luddington]

Are we answering in terms of, like, the person for us or for the character? I still would have picked dreamy. I mean, come on. Those. Those dreamy eyes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I know. Dreamy was dreamy.

[Camilla Luddington]

The dreamy was dreamy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It was dreamy.

[Camilla Luddington]

Derek.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

What's next, Conrad or Jeremiah? Did you watch the Summer I Turned Pretty?

[Camilla Luddington]

No, but I've been told it should be Conrad.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Yep, it's a pretty easy answer there.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, Conrad, are you.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Are either of you obsessed with true crime? And is there one crime that you're most obsessed with?

[Camilla Luddington]

Have you met me? Of course I am. I'm solving mysteries every night.

[Jessica Capshaw]

By the way, this is a true story. We were on vacation together, and her television was in. Her room was on. And I was like, hey, I think a ghost must have turned it on because it's on. It's set to. What channel is it that you watch?

[Camilla Luddington]

I mean, many. Discovery, Dateline. And it was like. I feel like it was early, too. It was like 9am or something, and I was just busy solving a mystery.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She's like, no, no, that's what I was watching this this morning.

[Camilla Luddington]

I do. I mean, it's not. The Cecil Hotel here in Los Angeles has a really sordid history, and I think it's kind of fascinating. And I think there's very creepy things with that hotel.

[Jessica Capshaw]

True crime.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

The hotel season of American Horror Story is. Is based off of the Cecilia Hotel.

[Camilla Luddington]

Is it? I haven't seen that season. Now I got to go watch it.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

You have to watch it. It's with Lady Gaga.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, wait, no, I have seen that season. Oh, yeah. It's like, oh, it's creepy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't like scary stuff. Got it. It's okay.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

If you could be on any reality show, what would it be?

[Jessica Capshaw]

This is your forte. But I do have an answer.

[Camilla Luddington]

What's yours? Dancing with the Stars is going to be yours. Is that considered a reality show? I guess.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, I wouldn't. I honestly, I wouldn't want to go on unless I. I listen, if I was ever to go on Dancing with the Stars, I would want to. To pull a very illegal move, which is that I would want to train for, like, at least two years before.

[Camilla Luddington]

I said, that's not illegal. They have real dancers on that. They're in training their whole lives, and then they come on to compete. We've talked about that. Okay. Another reality show, though.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Then I found Survivor very compelling.

[Camilla Luddington]

I was about to say Survivor, too.

[Jessica Capshaw]

None of the dating ones. Definitely none of the dating ones.

[Camilla Luddington]

Like, oh, actually, I totally take this back when I was single. Are you kidding? I would have loved the Bachelorette where I got to pick between 30 guys and I live in a mansion and they give you glam and a car. Survivor. What am I thinking, Ladies and Rice and beans? Or, like, the champagne dinners? I'd be in it just for the dinners.

[Jessica Capshaw]

This tracks.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay. Survivor. And I would have been the Bachelorette. Yeah, why not?

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Okay, now we're going into some relationship questions.

[Camilla Luddington]

All right, hit us.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

What's a green flag that makes you want to lean in?

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, a green date. On a date. What's a green flag? Listening, I think. Listening.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Not talking over you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. And humor.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, biggie. And manners. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Remember when you went. Have you ever. Do you ever go on a date with someone who had bad manners? Or, like, didn't I have the waiter or the waitress. Oh, and you were like, oh, nope.

[Camilla Luddington]

I did date someone for a while that, like, fully ate with his mouth open. Like, it was, it was like, it was like dating Bigfoot. Maybe Bigfoot has manners, though. We don't know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And he didn't look at the server when he was talking to them.

[Camilla Luddington]

I don't know if it was a.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Man or woman, but it, like, didn't, like, look at them.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like they, like, they weren't a person. And I was like, what is wrong with this person?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It was the instance.

[Camilla Luddington]

No, that's so bad.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I would say green flags would be like, manners, respect, humor.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

This one's more for Camilla. But do you think dating moves faster in the US or the uk?

[Camilla Luddington]

That's a really good question. I think dating, I would say, I think there's more like, you know what? This is going to be really interesting. I think there's more around and find out in England it's a little bit more like that. And I think, I think you can. Yeah, a little cheekier. I think, I think it might be harder to date in the uk, but listen, I haven't dated since the Stone Age, okay? So I don't know, with all the social media, maybe it's all changed, but I, I, I don't know. I always. I, I, I, Yeah, yeah. That's what, that's my answer. I'm mumbling.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

What's your idea of the perfect first date?

[Camilla Luddington]

Perfect first date.

[Jessica Capshaw]

God, we're really having to dig into.

[Camilla Luddington]

The, you know what?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I gotta say the Stone Ages. I go ahead.

[Camilla Luddington]

I think like a date where there's not a lot of pressure. I think if it's too late at night, like an earlier date, so that you can, like, peace out. If a date Starts at like nine. Then it gets into like a. Where is this going?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

You know what I'm saying? Like earlier date.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I only heard the. I don't know where I read it, but I read something or it came across my path that actually the best way to date, even in the beginning was to like bring the date to your best friends. Like to not go on single one off dates. Like to actually bring them to your friends because your friends know you so well and are better at seeing the.

[Camilla Luddington]

That's so intimidating though. Like you're like, hey, meet me for dinner with five of my friends. They're going to be dating all of us.

[LEGO Star Wars Announcer]

Right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

You're dating.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh man. I think, I think you do that when you, when you sort of know as a first date. That's hard. I think a 5pm dinner in the summer is perfect. It's light out, you're safe.

[Jessica Capshaw]

How old you sound? You 5:00pm?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah, I do. Honestly, I think for everybody this isn't just age. But you send your location to the girlfriends, it's light out, preferably near a police station.

[Jessica Capshaw]

See, the true crime.

[Camilla Luddington]

Really factors into this answer exactly.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh God. Yeah. I think a first date. Yes. Less pressure, maybe an activity involved. Right. Like, and there's not so much like just staring there, looking at each other.

[Camilla Luddington]

That's true. Bowling. Bowling is an excellent first date. I'm serious. Wait, no, I'm serious. Because, okay, you get to like get up and bowl and be a little competitive and maybe it can be a little flirty. You can order some appetizers, maybe even a couple drinks. I think.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Bowling. Bowling. Okay.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Would you ever advise for to have a drink before the first date? Like one drink while you're getting ready to ease nerves.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I was going to say. Depends on how nervous one is.

[Camilla Luddington]

Me personally? No, because I'm such a lightweight. That one drink is just like would have sabotage any first day. Yeah, no, but I mean like, sure, for some people.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Think you should. I don't. Yeah, I don't think you should drink before your first date. I think. Even if it's to calm your nerves. No, no. Because I think you want to show up, you know, as yourself.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Is it ever okay to text your ex or will you regret it instantly if you're friends?

[Jessica Capshaw]

You mean like sexually or you're with intentions of.

[Camilla Luddington]

With intentions of hours.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Text?

[Camilla Luddington]

Sure, why not? If you are. If. Here's what I say. It's a dangerous game, you guys, but I think that if you're feeling it's. I was going to Say, let's answer these quickly. No, I can't. Okay. It's a dangerous game, you guys. But if you're. If you're wondering if just if maybe it's meant to be still, go for it. I love this. Bold, but be okay with being rejected because you don't know. But, yeah, go for it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Okay. Go with your answer.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Is there a right age to have your first time for sex?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Or is there more about trusting the timing of it all?

[Camilla Luddington]

I think college, there's a right. I do.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't think there's necessarily a right age. I just think that there are some wrong ages.

[Camilla Luddington]

I think, wait until college. Just do it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You're never.

[Camilla Luddington]

Here's the thing. You're never going to regret not having sex.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Truly true. And there's so many. There's. Yeah, yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Go on. Jess is losing it.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

What did you. What to do if you have a crush on a friend? Tell them or keep it quiet.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, you got to feel out for them.

[Camilla Luddington]

You know, I'm feeling ballsy today. Tell them what? What? I'm feeling ballsy today. Today I'm like, you have a crush on your friend. Oh, tell them today is the day.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, tell them today. If you want to be the leading lady in your own life. Yes. You're definitely telling them.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You don't write movies about people who don't tell them. You write movies about people who do tell them.

[Camilla Luddington]

Exactly. You just tell them.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Evie (I Heart Producer/Host)]

Where do you actually meet good people after 35? Okay.

[Camilla Luddington]

Church.

[Anabe Sofa Announcer]

I don't know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You guys.

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay. After 35, really think about it. I think that we're all at the grocery store. I think we're all there.

[Jessica Capshaw]

We're there.

[Camilla Luddington]

We're tired.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Grocery store. Lovin.

[Camilla Luddington]

I am a little peek.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Follow someone down the aisle.

[Camilla Luddington]

Barnes and Noble. Wait, no, Jess. Barnes and Noble. Because you're in the section, right? You guys. Where the interests are similar and you're not. You're 35. You're definitely not at a club.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What if there's, like a pile up on the romance aisle?

[Camilla Luddington]

What if there's like 10 women you work your way through. You work your way through.

[Jessica Capshaw]

This is actually good for guys. Well, I guess it's done.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Gender, like anybody looking for love.

[Camilla Luddington]

I would be so smitten if I had been single and in. And I was in the section and that's like, hey, do you need me to, like, grab you that book? And I was like, yeah, I can't reach it. And he grabbed it for me. I'd be like what? Married instantly. Find some noble guys. It's where it's at. This was really fun. I gotta tell you. These are great questions. I. Some of these I've never been asked before.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I love it. I love it. Okay, well, now on that note, I think we should call it.

[Camilla Luddington]

Let's call it the end of the episode.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Hey, can we talk about Plan B for a second? What exactly is it?

[Camilla Luddington]

Okay, Plan B is emergency contraception you take after unprotected sex. Think of it as backup birth control. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation to help prevent pregnancy before it starts.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And it's available right off the shelf?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yep. It's at all major retailers in all 50 US states. No prescription ID or age requirement.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Ah, together we've got this.

[Camilla Luddington]

Follow Plan B on insta at plan B. One step. Use as directed. Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap.

[Anabe Sofa Announcer]

You're almost at the finish line.

[Camilla Luddington]

But first, there the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. Are you a creator on TikTok?

[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Luddington]

Snag a trophy and hit the red carpet.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Check out LiveFest 2025 on TikTok to find out how you can be part of this global celebration. Let's elevate live together.

[LEGO Star Wars Announcer]

Does anything go better than Lego and Star Wars? I don't think so. Kids will love becoming a part of the galactic action while playing out their favorite favorite adventures. Like with Jango Fett Starship. I mean, this LEGO set is fantastic. It features a detailed recreation of Jango Fett's starship with four stud shooters, a seismic charge dropping function and wings that rotate with gravity. Plus, it has three Jango Fett with two blasters and a jetpack. Young Boba Fett and Llama Su. Perfect for endless play. Now for the big fans, there's no Jango Fett's Fire Spray Class Starship from the Ultimate Collector series. Packed with details and surprises for fans, this large scale set is perfect for anyone hunting for a mindful building escape. Plus, you end up with a fantastic display piece. You can build this while your little ones build the kid set. You'll be like Jango and Boba building an adventure shop. Now for Star wars lego sets on lego.com or in lego retail stores.

[Camilla Luddington]

This is an iHeart podcast.