Call It: Pumpkin Spice & Everything Nice?

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Call It What It Is – "Pumpkin Spice & Everything Nice?"

Podcast: Call It What It Is
Hosts: Jessica Capshaw & Camilla Luddington
Episode Title: Call It: Pumpkin Spice & Everything Nice?
Release Date: September 17, 2025

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Main Theme

This "Short and Sweet" episode is a cozy, lighthearted celebration (and gentle debate) about all things autumn, focusing on the pumpkin spice phenomenon. Best friends Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington discuss their love (and occasionally lack thereof) for pumpkin spice lattes, candles, and the full fall aesthetic, while sharing personal stories and reminiscing about nostalgic seasonal treats from their childhoods.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Pumpkin Spice Rite of Passage

• Jessica excitedly shares her early fall decorating and the ceremonial first pumpkin spice latte of the season, even introducing her daughter Hayden to the tradition:

  "[I told Hayden,] 'Put on your Uggs, Hayden. It's time for you to see the world.'" (03:40)

• Camilla confesses she's not a fan of pumpkin spice lattes, a shock to Jessica, leading to playful teasing about needing to try again:

  "Controversial... I'm not a pumpkin spice latte girl." (04:26) "You are [disappointing me]. You definitely are." (04:39)

Pumpkin Spice: Scent, Decor, and Self-Care

• Jessica reveals that pumpkin spice candles are her year-round comfort, a discovery she credits to therapy:

  "Pumpkin spice... It makes me so happy. So now... there's 20,000 pumpkin spice candles through my house all year round." (06:13)

• They joke about emergency pumpkin spice candle sniffs and the joys of finding your signature, calming scent (for Camilla, it's coconut vanilla).

• Camilla notes she has zero pumpkin-scented items at home, to Jessica's mock horror.

How Far Is Pumpkin Spice Too Far?

• Pumpkin spice products are everywhere, and the hosts debate whether the craze can go too far:
  • Jessica draws the line at pumpkin spice deodorant:

    "That's a... it's a step too far. I don't need to be smelling like a latte." (08:16)

The Fall Flavor Expectations & Aesthetics

• The hosts field rapid-fire questions:

  • Do you feel pressured to buy into the fall aesthetic?
    • Jessica: "I lean all the way in. Are you kidding? I'm so excited when I see that [stuff]." (12:43)
    • Camilla: "I feel inspired sometimes." (12:41)
  • Is pumpkin boring now?
    • Mixed answers: Jessica is an enthusiast, Camilla is neutral but enjoys the cuteness of small pumpkins (13:12–13:31).
  • Extreme pumpkin decor: Jessica recounts buying so many pumpkins that she’s mistaken for a professional event decorator:

    "He goes, well, you have so many pumpkins, like, what is it for?... I was like, no, no, this is just for my front door. I like to not be able to see the door..." (14:00)

• Pumpkin vs. Wet Dog Smell?

  • Camilla would always pick pumpkin, but acknowledges there’s a limit to scent intensity.

• Pumpkin Spice Food Frenzy:

  • Jessica admits to embracing even pumpkin spice Oreos (15:38–16:02).
  • Camilla says she’ll skip that flavor.

Fall Favorites & Nostalgia

• Favorite Fall Flavors: Both hosts love pecan pie, with Camilla recalling her grandmother's signature recipe and both reminiscing about whipped cream and warm pie (16:43–17:13).
• Weirdest Pumpkin-Spice Thing Tried: Both draw the line at pumpkin soup, finding it less appealing than artificially sweet pumpkin flavors.
• Decor & Traditions:
  • Jessica collects all varieties of pumpkins, describing "Cinderella pumpkins" and promising to post photos (18:08–18:32).
  • Camilla loved caramel apples sent by her grandmother from St. Louis, recalling the gooiness and sticky hands (18:44–19:12).
  • Jessica reminisces about chestnut picking as a child in the UK (19:17–19:57).

Looking Ahead: The Holidays

• A promise to revisit these autumnal debates when it’s time for Christmas episodes, teasing even stronger holiday opinions (20:00–20:30).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the First Pumpkin Spice Latte:
  • Jessica:

    "She was in heaven. She drank that thing in, like, one minute. And I was like, girl, girl, slow it down." (03:36)

• On Pumpkin Spice Candles in Therapy:
  • Jessica:

    "I'm serious. I'm not kidding. That smell brings me so much joy." (06:33)

• On Pumpkin Spice Deodorant:
  • Jessica:

    "That's a... it's a step too far. I don't need to be smelling like a latte." (08:16)

• On Commitment to Decor:
  • Jessica:

    "I like to not be able to see the door and it just be like you have to climb through the pumpkin." (14:13)

• On Childhood Nostalgia:
  • Camilla:

    "My girl again, Grandma Bev, she used to send caramel apples... always gooey and always made major hands sticky." (18:44–19:12)

  • Jessica:

    "This is around the time that chestnuts would fall from the trees and you would collect them, and so I would always have big pockets full of chestnuts." (19:17)

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Key Timestamps

• [03:11] — Halloween prep & first pumpkin spice latte stories
• [04:26] — Camilla admits she’s not a pumpkin spice latte fan
• [06:13] — Jessica’s pumpkin spice candle revelation
• [08:16] — Debate over pumpkin spice deodorant: the line is drawn
• [13:31] — Jessica’s extreme pumpkin haul for home decor
• [16:43] — Pecan pie as the Thanksgiving favorite
• [18:44] — Memories of caramel apples and childhood fall treats
• [19:17] — Jessica’s nostalgic chestnut-picking stories

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Tone & Style

Casual, funny, and warmly self-deprecating, the episode showcases the hosts’ real-life friendship, gentle ribbing, and their joy in the cozy (sometimes ridiculous) rituals of autumn. The tone is conversational and inviting, with a mix of nostalgia and playful debate.

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Conclusion

This episode of "Call It What It Is" is a friendly romp through pumpkin spice season, perfect for anyone who delights in fall traditions or who enjoys the sound of two best friends lovingly bickering their way through seasonal obsessions. Whether you’re #TeamPumpkin or not, you’ll find yourself welcomed—and probably inspired to seek out your own comfort scents and seasonal treats.

Transcript

[Jessica]

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[Jessica]

Call it what it is with Jessica.

[Camille Ludington]

Capshaw and Camille Ludington, an iHeartRadio podcast. Well, hello, hello, hello, hello.

[Jessica]

Call it, crew. And welcome to another episode of Short and sweet.

[Camille Ludington]

Be honest. Is this gonna be your favorite episode ever?

[Jessica]

It's my favorite. Whatever, guys. It's the pumpkin spice episode.

[Camille Ludington]

Which is, you know, we're not even in October, and I'm actually already wondering what you've done for Halloween at your house.

[Jessica]

Well, there is a giant pumpkin head, like, man that greets you at the door, and he says, happy Halloween. He is out. And I've already had my first pumpkin spice latte.

[Camille Ludington]

Have you?

[Jessica]

I went two days in, and you know what I did is I had Hayden come with me, and I said.

[Camille Ludington]

Hayden, I'm going to indoctrinate you.

[Jessica]

Basic, you know, basic girl, rite of passage.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

I was like, hayden, put on your Uggs, Hayden. It's time for you to see the world. And I took it to Starbucks and I said, one decaf pumpkin spice for this little one here. And she was like, in heaven. She was in heaven. She drank that thing in, like, one minute. And I was like, girl, girl, slow it down. Yeah, she loved it. So I've already been Hayden's. Now part of it. She's in. She's basic.

[Camille Ludington]

Did it. Have you at hello. Was your very first pumpkin spice latte just, you know, just.

[Jessica]

I don't remember my first one. I just know that the. Clearly, the feeling lasted forever. It will always for me. Have you had one yet?

[Camille Ludington]

Controversial. I'm not a pumpkin spice latte, girl. What?

[Jessica]

Are you serious?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, I know I've had one because I know I don't love Jessica.

[Jessica]

I feel like you haven't.

[Camille Ludington]

I truly feel like I'm disappointing you.

[Jessica]

You are. You definitely are.

[Camille Ludington]

Why?

[Jessica]

Like, what's wrong with you? No, why can't. I think you got to go and have another one. I think whatever was going on that day that you had one that you didn't like is not. It's not right.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. And there's no variations, right? It's just a straight pumpkin spice latte.

[Jessica]

Well, listen, some people get the extra caramel pump or whatever. I think you just go og latte straight up with the pumpkin. Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay. Are they everywhere or just at Starbucks?

[Jessica]

That's a good question, because they.

[Camille Ludington]

They just opened a la La Land right down the street from me. Like, am I walking into La La Land for a pumpkin spice latte?

[Jessica]

I bet they have it.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, I'm gonna ask.

[Jessica]

I bet they have it.

[Camille Ludington]

I'm gonna ask.

[Jessica]

Report back. Cause we need to.

[Camille Ludington]

Did you also love the smell? Like, do you get the pumpkin spice candles?

[Jessica]

Oh, okay, wait, I have a story about this. So, yes, I love pumpkin spice candles and I used to only bring them out starting September because it used to be. It used to be like a, like a let's bring them out, parade them out and put them out. Okay. Then when I started therapy way back when, my therapist said to me, who's.

[Camille Ludington]

Your first piece of business?

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah. She's said to me, what is a smell that calms you down? And I instantly went to like, like lavender. None of these smells, like, do anything for me. And then I went, wait a second. Pumpkin spice. I love it. It makes me so happy. And so now, because I need calming down, there's 20, 000 pumpkin spice candles through my house all year round.

[Camille Ludington]

All year round.

[Jessica]

Because it brings me joy.

[Camille Ludington]

Gosh, I wonder if you could get like a travel one. Like, what happens if you're out in the wild and you need a little calming down?

[Jessica]

I need a little p. Well, you know what, you can, you could. There's a CVS somewhere.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay.

[Jessica]

Go and have a little sniff.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Be on your way.

[Camille Ludington]

Forget the Zoloft. Where's the pumpkin spice aisle?

[Jessica]

I'm serious. I'm not kidding. That smell brings me so much joy. Is there not a. Is there a smell? Like. Okay, if your therapist said that to you, is there a smell that would bring you like instant like, kind of joy like that?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, I'm a. I'm a coconut vanilla combo girl.

[Jessica]

Oh, really?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. Summer, Summer. Coconutty vanilla.

[Jessica]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Okay. Do you have a single pumpkin, like anything, like apple pie sort of candle situation in your house?

[Camille Ludington]

No.

[Jessica]

I know.

[Camille Ludington]

I'm. I'm really.

[Jessica]

I'm like really upset.

[Camille Ludington]

I know. I was worried about this episode.

[Jessica]

I know you should be.

[Camille Ludington]

But I had radically accepted it, so now I'm not gonna suffer.

[Jessica]

Okay, fine. So it is fall pumpkin madness.

[Camille Ludington]

And by the way, I do like a. I mean, I know that it's not the same thing at all, but you know, before drinks got so, like, fancy and tricky, good old fashioned hot chocolate really flips my pages. Even like a mocha.

[Jessica]

I gotta tell you, I don't care about hot chocolate.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay?

[Jessica]

I don't. It's fine. Maybe with a little Bailey's. It's just. There's nothing jazzy about it to me. It's just kind of like a watery chocolate, like something.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay. Oh, you Always have to make hot chocolate with milk. People who make hot chocolate with water are. I don't even know. I don't know whoever was allowed to do that.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

That's not right.

[Jessica]

Yeah, no, it's not right. Do you feel like there's.

[Camille Ludington]

There's ever too much pumpkin? Because there's a lot of it.

[Jessica]

No.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay.

[Jessica]

Oh, wait. Yes. No, because what?

[Camille Ludington]

What?

[Jessica]

What?

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[Jessica]

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[Camille Ludington]

You can have an armpit that smells.

[Jessica]

Like a pumpkin spice. That's a. It's a step too far.

[Camille Ludington]

Is Matt. Did you buy it for Matt? You take a big whiff? No, that.

[Jessica]

That to me is a step too far. I don't need to be smelling like a latte.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay.

[Jessica]

I do think that that's kind of gross.

[Camille Ludington]

Well, I think so too. A pumpkin spice armpit.

[Jessica]

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[Jessica]

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[Jessica]

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[Jessica]

Okay, we have some questions about it today.

[Camille Ludington]

Yes. Yes.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Camille Ludington]

Yes. Okay, go.

[Jessica]

So we already did the first one, which is. Did you already order your pumpkin spice latte?

[Camille Ludington]

You did. I didn't.

[Jessica]

We did. Do you feel pressured to buy into the fall flavor aesthetic? I don't feel pressured.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. I feel inspired sometimes.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I lean all the way in. Are you kidding?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

I'm so excited when I see that. See, this is what I love about the US. When that stuff is on the shelves in like April, I'm like, yes, I'm ready.

[Camille Ludington]

And I'm like, who didn't buy it in September? It's still sitting here.

[Jessica]

Yeah, because I. And I would have cleaned those shelves early summer. Early summer. Okay. Is pumpkin just boring now because there's too much of it? No, I.

[Camille Ludington]

Right.

[Jessica]

No, Jessica, that's not what you're gonna.

[Camille Ludington]

Say I'm neither here nor there on the pumpkin topic. I know it's disappointing. Let's just need to get over it.

[Jessica]

Does it not give you like a little bit of joy to like even see a pumpkin?

[Camille Ludington]

Sure. They're cute. I like the little. I like the teeny ones really a lot.

[Jessica]

I already have. Okay, so I have a confession. Two weekends ago, I went to this farm in Los Angeles outside of la. And I knew, I specifically went there because I knew that they would have a crap ton of pumpkins already. And I filled my car with so many pumpkins that the guy walking by me was this older guy. And he said to me, are you. Do you work in events?

[Camille Ludington]

Do you have a pumpkin problem?

[Jessica]

No. He said no. He said, do you work in events? I said, no, I don't work in advance. I said, why? And he goes, well, you have so many pumpkins, like, what is it for? He thought I was throwing some sort of pumpkin party carnival.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

I was like, no, no, this is just for my front door. I like, I like to not be able to see the door and it just be like you have to climb through the pumpkin.

[Camille Ludington]

Wait, so I asked you earlier if you'd started doing stuff for Halloween and you were like, oh, I just have a pumpkin guy by the front door. You actually have it in fully decorated front door with enough pumpkins that someone went out of their way to stop you and ask if you were in events for pumpkin decorating. Yeah.

[Jessica]

So yeah, it's not just that, but I mean, they're all over the place. If there's a little corner of my house that doesn't have something that's an opportunity for a pumpkin.

[Camille Ludington]

Pumpkins and dog water bowls. That's what you're gonna find.

[Jessica]

You know what? A pumpkin in the water bowl.

[Camille Ludington]

There you go. Floating pumpkin.

[Jessica]

Floating pumpkin.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, I have a question. What would you rather have in your car? Wet dog smell or pumpkin air freshener for three straight months?

[Jessica]

Three months.

[Camille Ludington]

That's a silly question. I would. Wet dog smell is terrible.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I would. I. If it was like a mild wet dog smell, fine versus like a strong pumpkin smell. But of course I'm gonna do like a pumpkin smell. But if it was like two and there's a. There is a such thing to me as a too int smell.

[Camille Ludington]

Is there a place where a pumpkin smell or taste just doesn't belong? Like, I can tell you that I. I can quickly zoom by a pumpkin spiced Oreo packet.

[Jessica]

I already got them.

[Camille Ludington]

You have you eat Oreos with pumpkin spice.

[Jessica]

I have them in. I have the. Yeah, they have a, an orange center. They're in the, in the kitchen.

[Camille Ludington]

She. Going back to my first question. She's done nothing to prepare for Halloween, obviously.

[Jessica]

No, absolutely nothing. I, I've already got them. I've already tried them. I love them. I'm in.

[Camille Ludington]

Are you kidding?

[Jessica]

It was orange. It spoke to me in the middle of Ralph. So I said, yes, please. I'll take those four packets.

[Camille Ludington]

Kiss, please. I was. Hang on, hang on. And will you rebuy.

[Jessica]

This is stressing me out a bit.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Smell, Smell that pumpkin candle. It's stressing you out. Will you rebuy that package? Will you rebuy that flavor?

[Jessica]

Of course.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, great. Okay.

[Jessica]

I don't know. These are ridiculous questions. Okay. Pecan, apple, maple or caramel? These are very fall things.

[Camille Ludington]

I like all three of those things. Pecan, maple, and caramel.

[Jessica]

If you had to buy a pie for Thanksgiving, which is the pie that you like?

[Camille Ludington]

Pecan pie.

[Jessica]

Me too. I do love the pecan.

[Camille Ludington]

I love it with whipped cream and warm.

[Jessica]

Yes. I could do honestly, the pecan with a pumpkin.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, see, me too. Okay, we agree. My grandma Bev used to make the best one. And the crust is so good. And then I like a good amount of the, the filling. Like, it can't just be all pecan halves on top, you know, like with. No, I need some real filling. Like buttery, sugary filling.

[Jessica]

Yeah, agree.

[Camille Ludington]

Delicious.

[Jessica]

100. Okay. The weirdest pumpkin flavored thing you've actually tried.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, I'm gonna have to give this one to you because you got pumpkin.

[Jessica]

I don't think I've ever tried anything weird. I just, I'm not a fan of, like, I'm not a fan of pumpkin.

[Camille Ludington]

Soup because it actually tastes like a pumpkin and everything else tastes like a sugary pumpkin.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. No, I, I, I do love the.

[Jessica]

Fall and I love the leaves and.

[Camille Ludington]

I love the foliage. And you know, in partnership with the pumpkin on the front stoop, I also have gotten into the non yellow. I mean, not that, not. I'm not an exclusively orange pumpkin buyer. I'll buy a white pumpkin, I'll buy a green pumpkin.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah. So when I did my, my farm run, I bought every, every size and shape and color you can imagine.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And there. And, and so, yeah. In fact, I'll post the pictures because I know people have been waiting around, I'm sure to know which ones I bought. So you Guys, calm down. I'll post them. No, I love it. And I caught the little white pumpkins or ghost pumpkins, and then the. The green ones.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, I love those.

[Jessica]

I call that, like, the Go. Like the minty green almost color ones.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

I call them Cinderella pumpkins. I think that's what they're called, maybe.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

So cute.

[Camille Ludington]

They definitely did not exist when I was younger.

[Jessica]

No. What is one nostalgic fall treat that you miss from your childhood?

[Camille Ludington]

My girl again, Grandma Bev, she used to send caramel apples.

[Jessica]

That's so cute.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. From this famous place in St. Louis called Merbs. Merv's. I don't know. Yeah, I think they do, but I don't know that they. They, they. They. They hit in the same way.

[Jessica]

Hers.

[Camille Ludington]

They were just delicious. And she would send them, you know, probably. Yeah. And there were some with the nuts, and there were some plain. Yum. But always gooey and always made major hands sticky.

[Jessica]

Oh, I love. That's a really cute tradition. I love that.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. What about you?

[Jessica]

Well, this isn't a fall treat, but more of a. Just a nostalgic thing about fall I had back in the uk. This is around the time that chestnuts would fall from the trees and you would collect them, and so I would always have big pockets full of chestnuts. And you bring them home and you could. I mean, you could actually, like, sometimes we would, like, make little games out. This sounds like a Victorian child, by the way. I'm aware you could stick a thing.

[Camille Ludington]

Through and, like, you were wearing your pinafore.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah. And you could, like, put a little string through it and string it up. I don't see those at all in California, but I have really cute memories of just over that.

[Camille Ludington]

Well, I love that. And decorating.

[Jessica]

Yeah. We have to do this version of a short and sweet, by the way, for Christmas.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jessica]

Because my pumpkin's sort of out at Christmas, and I got other. I got other strong opinions about Christmas stuff. Oh, yeah. And I know you do, too. You love the holiday. Yeah. Do I?

[Camille Ludington]

Love it, love it, love it, love it, love it. I'm never happier than when I'm full decked out decorating.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, yes. I'm finding the spot for the Christmas. Yeah. Okay.

[Jessica]

Oh, my God.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, no, no.

[Jessica]

I know we can get into it.

[Camille Ludington]

Let's not.

[Jessica]

Let's save it. Let's save it.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay. All right, well, I'm gonna. I'm gonna do you a solid, and I'm gonna go get myself a pumpkin spice. Latte. I'm gonna serious.

[Jessica]

Can you report back? Because you're like, I don't know what happened that day that you tried it.

[Camille Ludington]

It's annoying me something terrible. Obviously.

[Jessica]

Obviously.

[Camille Ludington]

My taste buds were broken that day, so, yeah, I'm gonna fix them. That makes sense. And then. Yeah, exactly. All right. I love it. Let's call it the end of the episode.