Call It Short & Sweet: Gaslighting, Puffiness, & TikTok Docs

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Call It Short & Sweet: Gaslighting, Puffiness, & TikTok Docs"

Release Date: August 6, 2025
Hosts: Jessica Capshaw and Camille Ludington
Platform: iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction

In the episode titled "Gaslighting, Puffiness, & TikTok Docs," hosts Jessica Capshaw and Camille Ludington delve into a deeply personal and relatable topic: managing health anxiety through a recent diagnosis of Hashimoto's hypothyroidism. The episode intertwines personal storytelling with informative discussions, providing listeners with both empathy and education.

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Jessica’s Journey to Diagnosis

Initial Symptoms and Concerns
Jessica opens up about her persistent fatigue and overall sluggishness, symptoms she initially attributed to perimenopause and general life stressors.

"By 11:00 am, I felt like I had chugged some Benadryl and I needed to nap. It didn't matter how much sleep I'd gotten the night before." ([08:08])

The Diagnosis Process
Despite scheduling her annual blood work, Jessica describes the anxiety surrounding the results. Upon receiving her diagnosis of Hashimoto's hypothyroidism—a common autoimmune disorder—she recounts her mixed emotions of relief and fear.

"When they said autoimmune disease, I had a little freaked out. But then they said it's really common, and I felt like I had the answer for something that I've been knowing is going on." ([05:18])

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Emotional Response and Support

Health Anxiety and Validation
Jessica discusses her struggle with health anxiety, questioning her own perceptions of her symptoms and fearing she might be "gaslighting" herself. Camille provides support by sharing her observations of Jessica’s emotional state during her diagnosis.

"Sometimes when you have health anxiety, you feel like you're gaslighting yourself. I was like, nothing's wrong. Like, I'm crazy." ([10:50])

The Role of Friendship
The hosts emphasize the importance of having a supportive friend during such times. Camille reflects on how shared experiences can create a sense of community and understanding.

"We don't do things alone... Safety in numbers, misery loves company." ([07:25])

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Treatment and Management

Medication and Lifestyle Adjustments
Jessica details her treatment regimen, which includes levothyroxine, and the process of adjusting to the medication over several months.

"I'm on a medication called levothyroxine. I started on the lowest dose and had to have blood work every six weeks to see if I'm getting back to normal." ([15:56])

Dietary and Lifestyle Changes
The discussion touches upon various dietary adjustments recommended by doctors, such as eliminating gluten and dairy, and the overwhelming amount of information available online and on platforms like TikTok.

"Doctors are saying no gluten, no dairy. There's so much stuff, like get a humidifier, get there. And I'm like, dust on the ground? Don't know. Dust." ([17:48])

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Expert Advice and Community Engagement

Handling Overwhelm and Information Overload
Jessica and Camille address the challenges of navigating medical information, emphasizing the importance of consulting healthcare professionals despite the abundance of advice available online.

"For anyone out there going through this, whether it's a new diagnosis or you've sat with it for a long time, it's so overwhelming to know what's up, what's down." ([18:26])

Building a Supportive Community
The hosts express their intention to continue discussing Jessica's journey and potentially bring in experts to provide listeners with accurate information and support.

"I want to bring a doctor on the show that specializes in this because I think that I did what so many people do. And then this is where it gets overwhelming." ([19:33])

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Future Episodes and Closing Thoughts

Continuing the Conversation
The episode concludes with a commitment to ongoing dialogue about Hashimoto's and other thyroid-related issues, inviting listeners to engage by submitting their questions and experiences.

"We're going to have somebody on that can hopefully answer all these things for us... it's going to be continued." ([22:06])

Encouragement and Hope
Jessica and Camille end on an uplifting note, encouraging listeners to stay proactive in their health journeys and support one another.

"We're just gonna capture it and just keep swimming. Just keep swimming." ([22:42])

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Notable Quotes

• Jessica Capshaw:
  "I wanted to have the answer. And so, truly, when they said autoimmune disease, I had a little freaked out." ([05:23])

• Camille Ludington:
  "Your intuition means something. You need to trust yourself." ([20:50])

• Jessica Capshaw:
  "This is one of the most common autoimmune diseases out there, according to my ChatGPT." ([18:26])

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Conclusion

In "Call It Short & Sweet: Gaslighting, Puffiness, & TikTok Docs," Jessica Capshaw and Camille Ludington offer a candid and heartfelt exploration of living with Hashimoto's hypothyroidism. Through honest dialogue and shared experiences, they provide valuable insights and foster a sense of community for listeners navigating similar health challenges. The episode not only educates but also empowers individuals to seek answers and support in their health journeys.

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Transcript

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[Jessica Capshaw]

Call it what it is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Ludington.

[Camille Ludington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, hello, hello, hello, hello, Collie Crew, and welcome to another episode of Short and Sweet, Camilla's New Rx at cvs.

[Camille Ludington]

Do we have a new one? Did you put our notifications on?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Listen, there's a new one out there and we're going to talk about it today. We joke that the Call It Crew know our Rx and could go pick it up for us. Yeah, and in the spirit of what the podcast has always been and what we've always set out to do, we set out to Share all the things and be open in the hopes that sharing our stories might resonate with somebody else or make somebody feel a little less alone in their experience. And this is one of those. This is one of those episodes.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Where we.

[Camille Ludington]

Where you're seen and heard and brought into. You know, this is something that. I mean, truly. It's like when you get phone calls from friends where something important is going on. I don't know about you, but I remember where. I always remember where I was when I got a phone call that was like, yeah, there's this thing happening in my life.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

And I remember exactly where it was when I got a phone call from you saying, there's this thing going on in my life.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

And. And I was like, okay. And I remember it's. You know, it's the drop everything. And I'm here for it, Mom. And. And I'm so happy that you're. Now, you know, we're gonna. We're gonna share it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

We're gonna share it.

[Camille Ludington]

We.

[Jessica Capshaw]

We are gonna share it. We are gonna share it, because Jess and I, we. The journey is ours together.

[Camille Ludington]

We don't do things alone.

[Jessica Capshaw]

As long as you've been listening to us, you've known that. I joke about being slothy.

[Camille Ludington]

Just a little slower.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Just a little slower.

[Camille Ludington]

Your pace is just a little slower.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Tired? Wanna be in bed? Love a nap. It never occurred to me that there could be a medical reason for that. And that's. And that's where we've landed.

[Camille Ludington]

You thought it was a temperament thing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I did. So here. Well, let me take you back, guys. Back a little bit. So every year you're supposed to have blood work. I had mine about 18 months ago. And so I was due, and it was hiatus, and I was like. I had all these plans, and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna get all my ducks in order in a row. Whatever you say. And I'm gonna do my blood work and make sure everything's all good. And so I want to say about two and a half months ago now, still very recent, I had blood work, and it came back, and my doctor was like, everything looks great except this one little thing. And I remember hearing the words autoimmune disease and thinking, what the. And. And then being told that I had something called Hashimoto's hypothyroidism and that it was very common. And so I want to talk about what that is.

[Camille Ludington]

But when you. When you heard the doctor say that, what was your first reaction?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I heard the words Autoimmune disease. And I. You know what? I knew something was up because even when I was having my blood drawn, the doctor said to me, is there any, you know, particular thing you're concerned about? And I said, look, I'm really tired all the time. I'm wondering if I'm in perimenopause. And I remember thinking, it's gotta be that or I'm deficient in something, and I'm gonna figure it out. And I wanted to have the answer. And so, truly, when they said autoimmune disease, I, you know, had a. I was a little freaked out. And then when they said, it's really common, I was like, well, that sucks, but, okay. And then, honestly, I was relieved. I felt like I had the answer for something that I've been knowing is going on. And I have health anxiety. So there was a part of me that was like, am I gaslighting myself? No. And then I think I probably called you. Yeah. Like an hour later. And I sat with Matt, and I. And I talked to my doctor, and I wanted to know what it. What it was.

[Camille Ludington]

And also, I mean, in my memory, when you called me, I remember saying. Because I remember you being low. You were feeling very. I heard you feeling very lucky that you had the resources to go check it out and find it out. And at the same time, you were a little bit like, oh, there's something wrong with me. Right. Like, there's that thing where you. Whenever anyone gets a diagnosis, it's like, the good news is there's something wrong with you that explains why you feel X, Y, or Z. But then the bad news is, there's something wrong with me. And I didn't hear you being scared or completely overwhelmed by it, but I heard you having feelings and being like, whoa, whoa. And I. And then I remember thinking, wow, I know a lot of people, like, hold on again. There's safety in numbers on some level, which is such a strange human thing that we do, but we do. It's like if someone else feels it, it's the whole. You know, I don't love this part, but misery loves company. Right? Like, when you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

When you're not feeling. When you're feeling a little vulnerable, you want to know that someone else is feeling vulnerable in that same way.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Like giving names. Capital. Giving names. Numbers. Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

But I. I had them. I knew a lot of people.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So, yeah, it was. Yes. It was very helpful to have you be like, well, I actually know people that have this, and this is sort of their experience. I will talk about the TikTok of it all because there was this piece that ended up making me feel a certain way. But let me just talk about what this is for anyone listening that doesn't know what this is. So Hashimoto's is when your body's immune system accidentally attacks your thyroid, which is a little gland your neck that helps control your energy, AKA makes you a little slothy. Okay. So over time, the damage it does, it makes the thyroid slow down and stop making enough hormones. And what it can make you feel is tired and cold. Which is really funny because Matt would make fun of me because I'd have like 40 blankets on me at night. It can make you foggy, depressed. You can have dry skin, your hair can thin, weight gain. Basically, you're feeling gorgeous with ash. Yeah. Yeah. So that was.

[Camille Ludington]

What was the one. What was the symptom that was the most n. Something's not right. Like, cold at night. Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

We're all, you know, tired was really. It got to the point where I. I thought. Here's what I thought. I thought, like, I have two kids. I'm in my 40s. This is what the 40s is. You know, I have. I have jobs to do. I have. I'm maybe in perimenopause. But the thing. So. But the. It got to the point where, like, by 11:00am I felt like I had, like, chugged some Benadryl and I needed to nap. It didn't matter how much sleep I'd gotten the night before. There was no hershing through the day. Like, sometimes you can, like, you know, you're tired, but you can push through it. There was none of that. There wasn't even. I remember, you know, back when I used to really be working out all the time, which now makes sense why I'm like, haven't been. I would feel energized after a workout, and if I worked out in the past year, I would. It would just take me out to the point where I was like, I can't work out. Like, it's just. I'm going to be too tired after. But the thing that was really strange, actually, was the week before I was waking up and my face and my hands were really swollen. So I was, like, very confused as to why I was suddenly looking so swollen in my eyes. My rings were. I was having trouble taking my rings off.

[Camille Ludington]

What was the tipping point that made you get the blood work done? Or was it just scheduled?

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know what? I wanted to get it done. And then Matt actually scheduled his And I said, just have me do mine. Because I had scheduled blood work maybe six months before, but I'd gotten sick, and I was like, I don't want to do it while I'm sick. Maybe it'll throw something off. Let me just do this, and I want to explain. So. So what? So basically, this is how I was in. I had severe hypothyroidism three months ago. I. So your. Hang on one second. I want to make sure. So there's something called a tsh, thyroid stimulating hormone. So what you. Your level for that for TSH, normal range is.05 to 4.5. I was at 97.5. So I. My doctor, I remember saying, like, I don't know how you're functioning. Whoa. There is medicine you can take for it.

[Camille Ludington]

Did you feel relieved when you found that out?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I did, because I felt like I was. Sometimes when you have, like, health anxiety, you feel. You do feel like you're, like, gaslighting yourself. I was like, nothing's wrong. Like, I'm crazy. This is one of those things where it's like, here we go, Langton. And so I remember the big. After being told, like, listen, this is, you know, we have a way to, like, control this and treatment and everything. I felt more calm about it. And then the relief was just really huge, which is what I. When I called you, I remember saying to you, I just feel relieved knowing that, like, I'm not crazy. Yeah. You know, and that you can do something. Yeah. And I also, to be honest, like, he was getting to the point where I was like, wow. Like, this is hard to live this way. I didn't realize how exhausted my body was. And so there is medication.

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[Camille Ludington]

So what do you do now?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, so now I'm on a medication called levothyroxine. If you guys, you know, need to pick it up for me from CVS in Los Angeles, please do. Would save me the drive. And I'm on. I started on the lowest dose of that and I had to have blood work every six weeks. And it's a test to see me getting back to normal.

[Camille Ludington]

Did they tell you how long it would take to feel the effects of it?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, they said. They said I would start to feel the effects of it, but I'm still not normal. Like, I got tested maybe three weeks ago.

[Camille Ludington]

Again, do you feel the effects?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I feel. I. I definitely feel the effects. Like, I started.

[Camille Ludington]

How long did it take?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I want to say a couple months.

[Camille Ludington]

Wow. Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, it took a couple months. And I returned you guys to Barry's boot camp. I did it all last week.

[Camille Ludington]

It's true. I talked to her. She had to go.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I did.

[Camille Ludington]

She had to go because she had to go into class.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I had to go. I was like, jess, no big deal, but like, I'm an athlete now.

[Camille Ludington]

She was wearing those leggings.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I was wearing the leggings. I was wearing the gear. But here's, here's what I also want to talk about, because I'm on, you know, I'm on the road to recovery. It's going to be a journey. I always there people have flare ups and everything. I want to get a doctor on the show that specializes in this because I think that I did what so many people do. And then this is where it gets overwhelming.

[Camille Ludington]

You Googled.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I went on TikTok.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, the Tick Tock.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And I was like, where are my hash Moto Girlies at hashtag hash. And so I went on and everyone's a doctor, Jess.

[Camille Ludington]

That's why I thought you were gonna say that. The Google or the chat.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And I got sucked into 500. Yeah, I was gonna say, because isn't.

[Camille Ludington]

There also some dietary stuff that you can do that's different?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes. Well, they say the talk, the doctors are the talkers. Some doctors. Like, for example, I got tested and I did Maybe they're doctors. The doctor, the talk to. Look at me.

[Camille Ludington]

I never do stuff. Oh, my God. That's usually you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, so the doctors are saying, no gluten, no dairy. That's what I know. Like, there's a. There's so much stuff. Like get a humidifier, get there. And I'm like, I got some. Is there dust on the ground? Don't. Yeah, don't know. Dust.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know, and so I could also.

[Camille Ludington]

Spend a lot of money, right. Just like trying 100%.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like, you need. You need this supplement. You're missing this and your doctor isn't telling you this. And so for anyone out there going through this, whether it's a new diagnosis or you've sat with it for a long time, it's so overwhelming to know what's up, what's down, what's left, what's right, what I should be doing, what I shouldn't be doing. And yes, I do feel a lot better. My energy is a lot better. I'm not as puffy anymore. There's so many things that I feel like are already improving. But this is how common it is. About 5 to 10% of people in the US have it. Most cases of hypothyroidism, 90% are caused by Hashimoto's. It is up to 10 times more common in women than men. We're so lucky. God, we. We get to have it all. And you often get the diagnosis between 30 and 50. Bam. I'm right in the middle there. And. But it can happen earlier or later. So it is one of the most common autoimmune diseases out there, according to my chat gbt. So, yeah, so this is. This short and sweet is sort of like an introduction to something that I believe will be ongoing a little bit. We're going to get expert end.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. Well, the friends that I have, I mean even. I mean, many friends who also sort of bring in through socials that they do create community and just sort of share what has worked for them or what doesn't work for them or, you know, just pass on information. What did. I mean, like, what. What advice would you give to someone who. You. Who said. I mean, if someone said to you, I'm feeling a little slothy, would you say.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Honestly, I think, you know, you. You're so good at this. I know you. You get blood tests, like I want to say every six months.

[Camille Ludington]

I do. I. It's like, it's a. It's a weekly.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's weekly.

[Camille Ludington]

I'm a phlebotomist.

[Jessica Capshaw]

On the side.

[Camille Ludington]

I do it myself.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes. Why not just test it for the day? I would be more on it. I was late to testing my, to doing my annual. And maybe six months ago I wouldn't have been so severe. I would be six months ahead of. So just be on top of it. But also I think like, let's not, let's not just lean into like, oh, I'm just a crazy mom. And that's like feeling this way. Like these things really are real and that you're feeling and, and maybe it's a deficiency, maybe it's something else. But like try and find out the answer.

[Camille Ludington]

No, your intuition means something. You need to trust yourself. I'm very proud of you because I think that a lot of times when one is dealing with health anxiety, they can oftentimes just do the. And not make their yearlies and not get their blood work done because their anxiety sort of paralyzes them. I mean it just sort of like stops them from going triggers like recently.

[Jessica Capshaw]

This is like a TR. Sometimes it's a trigger to like have to wait for the results and all that. Yes.

[Camille Ludington]

So I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you because I know because, because by the way, there's lots of things in life that we have to get checked on, you know, here and there. And, and I feel. Not to sound Pollyanna about it, but I do. I just, I never take health care for granted. We have a very broken system in this country that, that, that quite frankly doesn't take care of most of the people. And so whenever I see the opportunity to check things and get the care that I need or go and ask a doctor, I feel very, very, very grateful. So where there is help in the world and you can go get it, you know, I just think we really should. It's not to be taken for granted, but so, so I think this will be. It sounds is to be continued. We're going to go on a little journey with you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes. And I, and I want to bring anyone else along for this ride that, that also is experiencing this or hyperthyroidism or graves disease. And I want to talk to some experts and, and here's an opportunity for you guys to write into us. What questions do you have? I have so many, but I want to hear your list. Maybe you guys are thinking about stuff that I'm not thinking about and we're going to have somebody on that can hopefully answer all these. All these things for us. So yes, it's a. To be continued. Onwards and upwards, Ludington.

[Camille Ludington]

Yes. And we're just gonna. We're gonna capture it and just keep swimming. Just keep swimming. Just keep swimming.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. But you know what's good is that, like, I literally could not have swum very far before, and now I can kind of keep. You can.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, my gosh. Wait till our next trip. I'm gonna. You're gonna be. You're gonna be leading me.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, exactly.

[Camille Ludington]

When there will be no taxiing. There'll be only walking.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But let's call it, like. Yes, this is. We're calling it.

[Camille Ludington]

Let's call it the end of the episode. Hey, can we talk about plan B for a second? What exactly is it?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. Plan B is emergency contraception you take after unprotected sex. Think of it as backup birth control. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation to help prevent pregnancy before it starts.

[Camille Ludington]

And it's available right off the shelf.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yep. It's at all major retailers in all 50 US states. No prescription ID or age requirement.

[Camille Ludington]

Ah. Together, we've got this.

[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Bob Crawford]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Bob Crawford]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

This is such a ridiculous story.

[Bob Crawford]

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If a baby is giggling in the backseat, they're probably happy. If a baby is crying in the backseat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the backseat, will you remember? They're even there when you're distracted, stressed or not, usually the one who drives them. The chances of forgetting them in the back seat are much higher. It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly. So get in the habit of checking the backseat when you leave a message from Nitza and the ad Council.

[Dani Shapiro]

Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness. I'm Dani Shapiro, and these are just a few of the powerful stories I'll be mining on our upcoming 12th season of Family Secrets. We continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jessica Capshaw]

This is an iHeart podcast.