Call It: Taytay, Travis, and Our Engagement Era

Summary

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Call It What It Is – “Call It: Taytay, Travis, and Our Engagement Era”

Podcast: Call It What It Is
Hosts: Jessica Capshaw & Camilla Luddington
Date: September 1, 2025
Main Theme:
A joyful, fangirl-powered emergency episode unpacking the engagement of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce. The hosts, real-life besties and Grey’s Anatomy alums, process the social media storm, swap predictions for the couple’s future, and break down every dreamy and ultra-relatable detail—from the engagement ring to who might make the bridesmaids’ cut.

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Episode Overview

Jessica and Camilla (aka Jess and Mil) dedicate this special “emergency” installment to everything Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s newly-announced engagement. They dive headfirst into the cultural significance of the moment, give highly entertaining armchair analysis of the engagement announcement, speculate on proposal details, gush over the ring, and, naturally, dream up every facet of what’s surely to be the wedding of the decade. The energy is bubbly, affectionate, and laugh-filled—essentially a best-friends’ debrief for Swifties and pop culture lovers everywhere.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reacting to the Engagement News

Timestamps: 02:50–05:19

• Jessica opens by declaring “Taylor Swift's engagement episode edition!”—no clever intro needed, they just have to dive in given the urgency (/fangirl joy) of the news.
• Camille confirms she’s seen Taylor and Travis together before and sensed “endgame” energy:
  “They’re just—you know what, they’re just... she’s performing in a way that feels Herculean... and he was so warm and smiley and so nice to my daughter. So of course that made me like him more. And so, yeah. Endgame. I’m really glad they got into the end zone.” (03:42–04:43)

2. The Proposal: The Pressure & the Fairy Tale

Timestamps: 05:20–09:12

• Jessica describes the stress of proposing to Taylor Swift due to her being “a die-hard romantic” and always in the public eye, meaning “every Swifty is going to be examining all the pictures... is this what she would have wanted?” (06:17)
• Camille and Jessica both gush over the “fairy tale” visuals:
  Jessica: “It’s so fairy tale enchanted that he did so good.” (06:53) Camille jokes about fans analyzing Taylor’s nails to see if she was expecting the proposal, adding to the lore that she didn’t see it coming: “Swifties have, like, zoomed in on her nails—you know if a proposal’s coming, you’re going to get your nails done, right?” (08:26)
• Taylor’s own likening of the proposal to an “80s John Hughes movie scene”—the “Say Anything” boombox moment—is discussed as peak romanticism (08:52–09:12).

3. “Endgame” Energy and Origins of the Relationship

Timestamps: 09:51–12:24

• They reminisce about Travis attending Taylor’s concert incognito, making friendship bracelets, and not getting VIP access—what Jessica calls “so romantic.” (10:15–10:30)
• Addressing the skeptics: Both hosts firmly believe it’s a real romance, not a PR stunt:
  Camille: “No, they were really dating.” (10:56)

4. Public’s Fascination & The Power Couple’s Accessibility

Timestamps: 11:05–12:40

• Jessica marvels that “her engagement post garnered 1 million likes in 10 minutes” (11:49), underscoring Taylor’s unrivaled celebrity.
• Camille notes, despite their fame, there’s a surprising “accessibility” about the couple—the “English teacher and gym teacher” aesthetic of the engagement posts. (11:31)
• Camille: “There’s something so accessible about them. You know they would be your English teacher or gym teacher...even though, no, no, no.” (11:31–11:49)

5. Ring, Dress, and Pop-Culture Shopping Frenzy

Timestamps: 18:43–24:50

• The hosts debrief on the ring: Jessica: “Damn, it’s really big. I saw someone online say...it’s worth like, two to three million dollars.” (19:02–19:03)
  • They debate whether Taylor gave Travis direction or whether he “synthesized” ideas on his own.
  • Quick confirmation: Ring designer is Kindred Artifact, reportedly in collaboration with Travis Kelce (23:49–23:51).
• Taylor’s ring reveal outfit (the now instantly sold-out Polo Ralph Lauren halter dress) sparks discussion about celebrity influence on shopping culture:
  Jessica: “The engagement dress sold out in 20 minutes.” (25:35)

6. Wedding Predictions Bonanza

Timestamps: 32:32–41:44

• The duo rapid-fires their wedding predictions:
  • Scale: Both opt for “big,” “princess dress” energy, with “super long veil,” at least “200 people.” (32:50–33:21)
  • Venue: Guessing Rhode Island (bluffside, “so many flowers”), but security will be “presidential level.” (34:09–35:44)
  • Likely bridesmaids: “Gigi [Hadid],” “the Haim sisters,” Zoe Kravitz, with Jessica and Camille (jokingly) volunteering. (34:45–35:00)
  • Dress: “Giant princess dress. Long veil. Five-mile long veil.” (33:01–33:13)
  • Music: Jessica suspects Taylor will debut a new love song for Travis at the wedding:
    Camille: “No, but I definitely think she’s gonna play a song that she wrote for the first time and sing to him. Don’t you think?” (36:47)
  • Groom’s style: Travis will add “flair” to his suit—a nod to his unique confidence and fashion sense. (37:28–37:46)
  • Facial hair: Lightheartedly co-rant against the “just a stash” look for the big day, agreeing on classy scruff or clean-shaven. (38:13–39:14)

7. The Swiftie Emotional Rollercoaster

Timestamps: 39:30–41:44

• The hosts reflect on how personally invested fans are in Taylor’s happiness, as if “my cousin’s getting married.” (39:30)
• Discussion of “the ride” fans have been on—public breakups, love stories, and Taylor modeling life as her own “leading lady.” (40:11–40:36)
• Skipping straight to “baby prediction” hype:
  Jessica: “...when I thought about a little...Travis Taylor...I cannot!” (41:16–41:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the “Endgame” Romance:
  Camille: “Yeah, endgame. Endgame. I’m really glad they got into the end zone.” (04:43)

• On the Pressure of Proposing to Taylor:
  Jessica: “Every Swifty is going to be examining all the pictures and being like, is this Taylor? Like, is this what she would have wanted?...the pressure is so enormous.” (06:16)

• On Taylor and Travis’ Dynamic:
  Jessica: “I’m glad that she’s not with another singer...I’m glad that she’s with the football star.” (17:30–17:44)
  Camille: “They just enhance each other’s lives. And so I think they’re just gonna keep on going.” (42:01–42:20)

• On the Ring:
  Jessica: “Damn, it’s huge. But it’s so Taylor—kind of vintagey, but, like, romantic.” (19:23–19:38)

• On Wedding Predictions:
  Jessica: “I think it’s going to be 200 people. That’s my guess.” (33:13)
  Jessica: “Whoever is the florist—you can retire after this wedding.” (34:36)

• On Fandom’s Role:
  Jessica: “I feel like my cousin’s getting married.” (39:30)
  Camille: “That’s the whole point, right? That you share these stories and...you feel like you’re same same.” (39:44–40:11)

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Segment Timestamps

• [02:50] – “Taylor Swift’s engagement episode edition!”
• [03:42–04:43] – Camille’s “endgame” vibes from seeing Taylor and Travis together
• [05:20–07:21] – Pressure around proposing to Taylor; Jessica and Camille’s proposal theories
• [08:15] – “Swifties have zoomed in on her nails...their theory is she really did not expect it this day.”
• [09:12] – Taylor likens the proposal to a John Hughes movie moment
• [10:15–10:30] – Travis at Taylor’s concert with friendship bracelets
• [11:49] – Taylor’s engagement post: 1 million likes in 10 minutes
• [18:43–19:38] – Engagement ring talk—“so Taylor,” “two to three million dollars”
• [23:49] – Kindred Artifact revealed as jeweler
• [25:35–25:41] – Dress selling out in 20 minutes
• [32:50–34:36] – Wedding size/style/venue predictions
• [36:47] – Will Taylor debut a wedding song?
• [39:30] – “I feel like my cousin’s getting married.”
• [41:16–41:23] – Future “Travis Taylor” baby speculation

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Tone & Takeaways

• Language: Warm, playful, fangirl-in-chief energy; as if letting listeners lean right into a best-friends’ phone call.
• Takeaway: This engagement feels deeply personal to fans, Taylor has curated a relatability (even at her scale), and the Swift/Kelce union is the ultimate pop-culture fairy tale—setting the stage for a once-in-a-generation event (and a possible album full of love songs).
• Memorable Wrap:
  Jessica: “I wish them a lifetime of happiness. I hope people give them the space and time to enjoy all of this.” (42:45–43:00)
  Camille: “We all have hearts and souls and yeah, she speaks to them.” (40:11)

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is the ultimate celebratory deep-dive for anyone buzzing over the Taytay–Travis engagement or just loves pop-culture dissected by witty, insightful besties. Expect fun predictions, insider observations, pop metaphors galore, and warmth—no spoilers needed, just you, your headphones, and a healthy enthusiasm for fairy-tale endings.

Transcript

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Call it what it is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Ludington an iHeartRadio podcast. Well, hello, hello, hello, hello, Call it crew. And welcome to another episode of Call it what It Is, Taylor Swift's engagement episode edition. I couldn't, like, I was trying to think of like a fun way to like, like, intro it, but, like, I just. We gotta dive in.

[Camille]

Well, I think we're in our engagement era would be on brand.

[Jessica]

We're in the engagement era. Okay. You have seen them together in person.

[Camille]

I have, yes.

[Jessica]

Did you think like, this, the. The vibes were end game?

[Camille]

Yeah, I kind of. Yeah, I did, I did. They're just. You know what? They're just what? I was actually sort of. What I always marvel at about her is that she's doing. She's. She's performing in a way that feels like Herculean. Like you. Like, no one could perform like that. Like, the way she performs, how she performs, the duration of performance, all of it is just so heroic. And you would think that that would take. I mean, I know it does take a super huge amount of effort, but she makes it look so easy. And I think that that' thing that I noticed in my sliver of time with that.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Camille]

Was the easiness. And my guess is, you know, it's. Well, it's a huge life and she's, you know, stepping off stage after doing a three hour concert and he just, he was so warm and smiley and he was so nice to my daughter. So of course that made me like more and so. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. Endgame, end game. I'm really glad they got into the end zone.

[Jessica]

I. Yeah. Thank God. I don't. I got a little like. I was watching the New Heights. Now I don't know if they were engaged when New Heights happened.

[Camille]

The way. That's new information to me. Wait, this didn't just happen and then I got.

[Jessica]

No, this happened like a couple weeks ago. But when I was watching New Heights, I was like, they. They felt engaging to me. There was a vibe that was like, they're. They're at that, like, most comfortable point. And he was so adoring of her and their body language. I was like, it's. It's either happened and we don't know about it or it's coming is what I felt.

[Camille]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

So I basically called it what it is.

[Camille]

Yeah. You called it.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah. Confirmed. Travis's father confirmed the proposal took place two weeks ago.

[Camille]

Wow. Okay, so here's my question for you.

[Jessica]

Sure.

[Camille]

Maybe more than any other person of note. And that's being really conservative, calling her a person of note. Really. Right. Like she might be one of the most. The biggest and most famous people on the planet. I feel like more than any other person of her, I mean caliber. Don't think there's anyone else like her, but I feel like she's sort of given whoever's going to ask her to marry them. Like the roadmap. Like do you think that he. Do you think he followed her directions? Do you think he improvised?

[Jessica]

Do you think I was thinking about this? Because like when what I was thinking about is I would be terrified to oppose to Taylor Swift.

[Camille]

Say why. Say why.

[Jessica]

Okay. Because I feel like she is a die hard romantic, which I understand, I can relate to. And she's very public publicly, you know, shared these relationships with us through music and these breakups and you know that there are millions of people rooting for this perfect happy ending for. And now you're gonna be the guy that does the proposal. That it's not just. Travis would know it's not just about Taylor. Right. It is of course in the moment, but that every swifty is going to be examining all the pictures and being like, is this Taylor? Like, is this what she would have wanted? Just like you said so the pressure is so enormous. But I think looking at these pictures, I think he killed it. It like it's so fairy tale enchanted that he did so good. I mean, I don't know. Is tree pain out there helping him? I don't. Like who is he getting advice from? Like, who did he call?

[Camille]

Well, I think also we get to imagine, right? I think we just get to make up the story in our head and I guess they'll be parsing out information about how it went down. But I want to imagine that he thought of it all on his own and that knowing her as well as he did, that he. That he was delivering exactly what she wanted. I mean, isn't that the whole point of an engagement, right? Like you're. You're meant to be whoever you're getting whoever you're proposing to. You're not meant to think about how you would like to be proposed to. You're meant to think about how they would like to be proposed to. I mean, it looks pretty. Pretty damn grand.

[Jessica]

It looks so grand.

[Camille]

It looks.

[Jessica]

I read, I don't know if this is true, but I read that he's. That they were like supposed to be going out for dinner and that's what she thought she was going out for. And he was like, let's go have wine in this little area. And he Took her back there. And that's when.

[Camille]

Under this massive arch of the most gorgeous flowers in the world. This is.

[Jessica]

Yes, totally. I'm assuming that that was like. I don't know who was involved with that, but that was. I'm assuming that's not the usual wine garden feel of this.

[Camille]

Yes, a little pre dinner.

[Jessica]

It's funny, though, because swifties have, like, zoomed in on her nails because, you know if a proposal is coming, you're going to get your nails done, right? And they've zoomed in on her nails and her nails look really natural, like they're not done at all. And so that's become their theory as to why she really did not expect it this day.

[Camille]

Interesting. There's such sleuths. I know, like a bunch of little PIs.

[Jessica]

Okay. Taylor likened Travis's proposal efforts to an 80s John Hughes movie scene, referencing say anything with the boombox moment. Is there a better compliment? Isn't that what we all want? We want to say anything moment?

[Camille]

Oh, my gosh. John Cusack as Lloyd Dobler in that movie when he goes to her and Ione sky is up in that window and he's got that with the trench coat and the. Yeah, that's also so Taylor. Like, I feel like that, you know, she. She just. She oozes and seems like she has such a big heart and so much love and so much passion and excitement for stuff that to be with someone who also can, like, mirror that or has access to that same strength of emotion is so cool. And that, like, loves her in that way. Yes, of course she would want an 80s.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Camille]

Box moment.

[Jessica]

I also love that we all feel part of this story, the beginnings, the origin of this romance. Like, we all knew.

[Camille]

Well, let's talk about that for a second.

[Jessica]

Okay. So we knew that he had gone to the concert. He had not. Like they talked with someone. New heights. He was not in, like, some special area. He was not in the tents. Right. That you can be in.

[Camille]

Huh? No. No VIP treatment for him.

[Jessica]

No vip. He was out. He was out in the crowd. He'd made his friendship bracelets and he was hoping that they would get to her. And then he complained that it, you know, it didn't really work out on. On the. On his podcast. I think. I think it's so romantic.

[Camille]

I know. Okay. But so, so for. For all the people that in. In. In. They're deeply invested in football, wasn't there a whole lot of talk about how it was, like, it was not real and like that they were that they were, you know, creating some like, attention because of football season, everything else. I'm like, weren't they dating for a long time before they actually.

[Jessica]

They were.

[Camille]

So isn't that just doesn't. I mean. No, they were really dating.

[Jessica]

I think if you're in the public eye that there's always going to be some conspiracy theory that like, of all that stuff. Right.

[Camille]

Water cooler talk. They just want to talk about something.

[Jessica]

Yeah. And I have to say that when I saw these pictures, I was like, this is ridiculous. This could be like an album cover. Like it really. She wrote like English. She. Her caption was like, english teacher. Your English teacher and your gym teacher are getting married. And I'm like, it looks to me like the. The football dude and like the girl and like in the bleachers with the T shirt, like a song.

[Camille]

I'm like, what's happening? I know, I know, I know, I know. There's something. There is. There's something. I mean, which is just sounds ridiculous as I'm saying it out loud, but there's something so accessible about them. There's something that I know you know that they would be your English teacher or your gym teacher. Even though. No, no, no, no.

[Jessica]

They're definitely not. They're definitely not. Did you know that her engagement post garnered 1 million likes in 10 minutes?

[Camille]

It's crazy. And then like. And then exponentially more since then. I don't know what it's at now, but it's a lot wild. I know. But you know what? Wasn't it so sweet? What? What Travis's dad said.

[Jessica]

What'd he say?

[Camille]

Oh, he said that the source of Travis's happiness is Taylor.

[Jessica]

Oh my God. I gotta tell you, if that. If someone said that about Hayden, I would like melt. But I. I think you can see it too, right? Like, he's giddy for her.

[Camille]

I know, I know, I know. And you know, they also love. I love how much they root each other on in their professions. Like, I know. They just look like they are so proud of each other and obviously we get to see them, you know, celebrating it. But when she's at his game or when he's at her concert, there's just like such joy.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

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[Jessica]

You know what I think will work in their favor is that they're obviously incredibly talented, like, top of the class situation in both their professions. Right. But they're in completely different professions.

[Camille]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And so I think that, that any, like, jealousy or competitiveness that could come into, you know, like leak into a relationship like that when people are that big stars, you know, celebrities, I feel like it won't happen because it's just so different.

[Camille]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And I'm glad that she's not with. This is just me personally. I'm personally glad that she's not with another singer. She's not with an actor even. I'm glad that she's with someone that's like, I'm glad she's with the football star.

[Camille]

I know, I know. You know, when she announced her new album, not like I ever stopped listening to her, but I think, you know, you, everything goes in, like, ebbs and flows. And I was actually, I've been listening to a lot of country.

[Jessica]

Yeah, of course you are.

[Camille]

And when she announced her album, I was like, cleaning up my apartment and I, you know, listening to music and I put just like the Taylor Swift radio on and I got full back in. Full back in. And then right in the car and I put it on like, truly. And I'm like, it's just, she's just such an incredible storyteller and I Now I wonder, like, is her new. I mean, I'm guessing that a lot of her new album will be about him.

[Jessica]

Well, that's what I'm so excited about, because I feel like we've had, like, we've had some breakup albums, and I so appreciate them. Okay. They. There's some bangers in those albums for sure, but I like the happy Taylor. I'm in love and engaged and all the things I want that.

[Camille]

Yeah. Pumped like she's earned it.

[Jessica]

Okay, let's get into some of the details. The ring. What did you think when you first saw the ring? Damn, it's really big. I saw someone online, say, a journalist, say that they think that it's worth, like, two to three million dollars.

[Camille]

Stop it.

[Jessica]

Yes. I'm not kidding.

[Camille]

I heard one, and then my girls were chat gpting it.

[Jessica]

Oh, my God. So smart. What did chatgpt say? I want to know.

[Camille]

You know what? I think chat was wrong, because chat was, like, the lowest estimation. It was like, half a million dollars. Meanwhile, I'm acting like that's just, like, a normal amount of money to pay for.

[Jessica]

Yeah. We're like, no, chat. That's really cheap. Come on, Chat. I saw it, and I was like, damn, it's huge. But. And I know everyone's saying this, but I just have to, like, get on the bandwagon. It's so Taylor.

[Camille]

Yeah, because it's kind of vintagey, but, like, romantic.

[Jessica]

I know. Do you think. And I want to know what you did, because I'll tell you what I did. Do you think Taylor and Travis had this conversation, and she was like, this is the exact ring. Oh, that I want.

[Camille]

Oh, gosh. I don't know what I think. That's such a great question.

[Jessica]

Is it, like, do we think that she, like, Pinterest, a bunch of pictures, and she was like, here's the inspo. Or do you think she was like, this is. This is it? It's hard because the tailor that we all know is a perfectionist planner of all the things. And an engagement ring. Hopefully you're only getting one. Don't you think that she kind of wants a hand in it? It would be interesting if she was completely hands off. And if she was, he nailed it somehow.

[Camille]

Yeah. Oh, I want to know now. I'm trying to think. Hold on. I just need. I need a moment of silence to think about. Okay, I think my answer is. Okay, hold on. I'm channeling.

[Jessica]

I. I have. I have what I think my answer is, but I want to hear yours first.

[Camille]

I think he did it on his own.

[Jessica]

No inspo.

[Camille]

I think he looks and listens. I think he's a smart partner. I think he likely had an idea of what she would like, But I'm guessing that he was. That he took all that information, synthesized it, and then went out and got the ring that he thought that she would love the most. That's my answer. I'm sticking with it.

[Jessica]

Okay. I like it. I have a similar answer. I think that she gave him. I think there probably. This is what I'm imagining. There was a conversation, and Travis was like, hey, babe. And she was like. And she was, like, baking some sourdough bread. And then she was like, these are sort of the rings that I like. And again, he took that information. But I do think that maybe she wasn't like, this is the ring. Because I want. I think that Taylor is a romantic, and maybe she wants that, like, moment where she sees the ring now. I was also that way. I was that way. I was like, I don't. I want the guy to pick out the ring. And then what happened is, is I had boyfriends that picked jewelry for me, and some of them.

[Camille]

How'd that go? Not well. Yeah.

[Jessica]

And so by the time I was with Matt and he. I knew that. That I had a kid with him.

[Camille]

Hello?

[Jessica]

We're locked in, baby. I was like, this is the exact ring that I want. This is the diameter.

[Camille]

Add to cart.

[Jessica]

Add to cart. It's in the cart. Waiting. Just press. It's. Just press send.

[Camille]

Here's the PayPal link.

[Jessica]

Totally. Did you pick out your own engagement ring?

[Camille]

I did not pick it out. I had ideas. I really loved, like, a certain cut. I loved a cushion cut.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Camille]

And it was. And so I sort of said, like, this is what I really like. And there was a jeweler named Martin Katz, who I really loved all the stuff that he did. And so that was sort of the direction, but then that was all Christopher.

[Jessica]

Oh, my God. Good job.

[Camille]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Can we confirm. I heart. Can we confirm where she got the ring from?

[Camille]

Does anyone know who the designer is?

[Jessica]

Rumor has it, I saw that Tiffany was trending, but I know that Stephanie Gotlib has. Has designed her jewelry before, so I would love a ring confirmation while we're doing this.

[Camille]

And just for clarity, I'm going to give you all the credit. Camilla was like, hello, all. Note to all on the text chain with everyone. We need to do an episode asap. Right now.

[Jessica]

Yes. Within. I think it. I think it had been 10 minutes. And I was like, We. This is happening. Just every. Every plan we had was trash to me.

[Camille]

Oh, gosh. Whatever we had to talk about before was lame.

[Jessica]

New York based jeweler. Kindred Artifact. Artifacts. Fine jewelry. I had seen Tiffany. Trending. Maybe. Okay, I guess not Tiffany. What was she wearing? We do know what she was wearing.

[Camille]

Kindred Lubeck.

[Jessica]

Oh, and reportedly collaborated with Travis. I love.

[Camille]

I think I was right.

[Jessica]

Yes, you were. Okay, Taylor, what did she wear?

[Camille]

A fact. Which sort of on brand with the fact that my girl showed me last night, I finally saw K Pop Demon Hunters. Oh, and the band in there is Hunt Tricks. So. I mean, Hunter Hunt Tricks, Artifacts. We're just. I'm just saying.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah. Have you heard of this jeweler before?

[Camille]

No, I've never heard of this jeweler before.

[Jessica]

This jeweler is about to make $5 billion because everyone's going to be buying jewelry from them. Okay. Taylor wore a $398 pinstriped polo Ralph Lauren halter dress with gold accessories and tan sandals for the ring reveal.

[Camille]

I'm gonna guess that Polo Ralph Lauren has already sold out of that dress. What? Did you want it?

[Jessica]

Well, I just realized, like, maybe I want it. I don't know. Now it's. I. This is. We're on here. We need to log off. Okay.

[Camille]

If you knew that you were getting and that.

[Jessica]

See, like if I was in charge of my own proposal, what would I do?

[Camille]

Yeah, I mean, I guess if you don't know, then you're.

[Jessica]

Well, I didn't know. Did we. Did you know when your proposal was happening? I had. I did not know.

[Camille]

No, neither did I.

[Jessica]

If I could plan it myself. I'm a sucker for the beach. Yeah, I love the ocean. There's something so romantic about the ocean. But I got married by the ocean, so that worked out. And Matt did a really, really adorable proposal. But we had a kid. It's a little bit different. Like, we, you know, there was no, like, let's go off to Cabo and, you know, it was like, she needs burping. Oh, my God. Wait. Breaking news. Breaking news. We're getting.

[Camille]

What is it? What is it?

[Jessica]

The engagement dress sold out in 20 minutes.

[Camille]

Yeah. See, I told you.

[Jessica]

What?

[Camille]

Yeah. By the way, they didn't even care if it was in their size. Who cares what size it is? No, just get it.

[Jessica]

You just get it.

[Camille]

Yeah, I'm suddenly.

[Jessica]

I'm a triple zero in. I can. I can add material to that.

[Camille]

Yeah, 100%. So we do. So, speaking of breaking news, does anyone have an actual exact date? That they really did get engaged. And then who are these pictures coming from?

[Jessica]

I don't know. I have a lot of questions about this. We need the exact date because I. The first thing I did is because I know Taylor, like, loves a date, right? It's like, very. It's all, like, very symbolic. Is I looked at the date and I was, like, trying to figure out, like, is this plus this 13? You know, like, if you divide this by a certain. You know, I was doing all and I couldn't figure it out, but clearly it's not the date. It's not the date.

[Camille]

I wonder if we'll know the date.

[Jessica]

Maybe the date was like. No, I know. That's more than two weeks ago. I was gonna say eight. Eight. Wait, should we do a little prediction? Let's do a pop prediction. I think the date was 8. 8.

[Camille]

I mean, that would be a great one. 8, 8, 25. No one's 8 plus 8. 16 plus 5. 21. 21 is 21.

[Jessica]

It's 21.

[Camille]

No, 22 is a song.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah. Okay, give me a day prediction and then we could do like a 20 bet. Okay.

[Camille]

Oh, what if they got engaged? Hello? You know what I'm gonna say on your birthday?

[Jessica]

Oh, this is the most Leo moment that we've had in a while from you.

[Camille]

Hey, listen, we didn't do a whole episode about my birthday, so I just.

[Jessica]

Picked her own birthday for the date.

[Camille]

If I find out they got engaged on my birthday, I will be so happy to share that very special, very, very special.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Camille]

Very special date with them.

[Jessica]

Yeah, you will. And also I talked to you yesterday and I said. What did I say is. I mean, I don't want to say yesterday I talked to you. I called you immediately and I said, I think that you're going to get invited to the wedding.

[Camille]

And I was surprised that you said this because why? That would have to be a very, very large wedding. I am not on the inner circle. Well, where.

[Jessica]

I mean, if you're getting personal letters. Are you outer circle? How many outer circles are getting letters?

[Camille]

Well, here's the question. Do you think wedding or. We haven't had this level of wedding in a very long time in our. In our culture. Right? Like, this is royalty. This is a major, major wedding that's gonna happen. And everybody's gonna be wanting to know when and where. And which, of course, also is annoying because it'll make people go bonkers and act like Ding Dongs and try and ruin things for them. And I'm not for that at all. But my guess is, I mean, who knows? You guys, they clearly know how to pull things off. I mean, maybe they're already married. Maybe they got engaged and then married.

[Jessica]

Very suspicious.

[Camille]

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[Jessica]

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Okay, here's what I think we need to do with our. With our time remaining, I think we need to start guessing. How big do we think this wedding is going to be? Big or small?

[Camille]

Where do we think it's going to be?

[Jessica]

And where do we think it's going to be? And what kind of style of dress do we think she's going to wear?

[Camille]

I think it's going to be big.

[Jessica]

You do? You're thinking big princess dress.

[Camille]

I think big princess.

[Jessica]

I think so too. Super long veil.

[Camille]

I think they'll definitely be costume changes.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Camille]

What music will be playing?

[Jessica]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. We have so many questions. Okay, so we've agreed. Okay, so first off, we agree on a giant princess dress, long veil. I'm thinking like five mile long veil.

[Camille]

Yes, I am. And by the way, this is all making me think there's no world in which you could have a giant dress and a long veil and have like 20 people. So it's definitely gonna have to be a big wedding.

[Jessica]

Okay. I think it's gonna be 200 people. That's my guess. You think more or less?

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[Jessica]

Jessica, if it. I really think that maybe you could be invited, in which case you need a plus one. And then sort of what I'm feeling is, is like I'm also invited and that we're maybe in the front row and I Didn't even want to be, but I'm like. I was like, shouldn't your mom be here? And they're like, Travis is like, no, don't worry. This is the seat video.

[Camille]

This is the secret Camilla and Jeff.

[Jessica]

This is. She's like, no. Family. What family? Your family. And I'm like, oh, my God, Travis, stop. Okay, fine.

[Camille]

Are they gonna get married outside in a church?

[Jessica]

Okay. I think they're gonna get married outside. I do feel like Rhode Island. I think she may have sold that home. I'm not sure, but I feel like it's gonna be. If she hadn't sold. Sold that home, I would think that it was gonna be like a Rhode island, like, looking out on the bluff kind of wedding. So many flowers. Whoever is the floor. Oh, my God. Wedding. You can retire after this wedding. That's my prediction.

[Camille]

Yeah. Yeah. I think it's gonna be like a fairy tale.

[Jessica]

It's gonna be like a fairy tale. Okay, name one person you think is going to be a bridesmaid.

[Camille]

Oh, Gigi. Well, I think the. The Higham sisters are.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah.

[Camille]

You know, I feel like they're front. Front.

[Jessica]

She's gonna be a bridesmaid, maybe so. Kravitz. Bridesmaid.

[Camille]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jessica]

Possible. Possible.

[Camille]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And me and you.

[Camille]

And then you and I.

[Jessica]

And then we're also a bridesmaid. So weird. We've never met, but Taylor's like, actually, it's time. And you're also a bridesmaid. I'm feeling Rhode island vibes.

[Camille]

Okay. I mean, it certainly could be. I think it would be. Oh, my gosh. I also think that maybe they're. They're definitely gonna have to control whatever space they get married in. So it's gonna have to be, like, a very tight security situation. Like, I'm thinking, like, you know, presidential level security. Like, there's definitely some SWAT teams and some, like, Navy SEALs. Can we do that for Taylor? I mean, I feel that she's, you know, an American.

[Jessica]

She's. Yeah, she's our princess. She's the people's princess.

[Camille]

She's the people's prince. Exactly. She's the people's princess and she who self identifies as an English teacher. So that makes her even cooler in my mind. So I think that we just need to make sure that she's okay. So. And she's taken care of on this very special day. I bet you it's going to be at some private residence. I bet you it's going to be a lot of people. And I think it's going to be a lot of. I hope it's a lot of containment, because. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's all this talk about Carolyn Bissette Kennedy and John F. Kennedy.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah.

[Camille]

Because of the show. Yeah.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Camille]

And they pulled off their wedding. They pulled up. They were. They couldn't have been more famous, those two. And they pulled off their wedding on some island off the coast of, you know, Georgia or, I think. Or South Carolina. North Carolina. So I think they just. If you want to. I think you can figure it out, but then it would have to be smaller, and then I think maybe the big threat. Listen, she.

[Jessica]

She's Taylor.

[Camille]

She can do whatever she wants. Oh, her mom is going to be so emotional.

[Jessica]

Okay, let me ask you this question. If you're Taylor Swift and you're getting married, do you play one of your own songs?

[Camille]

No, but I definitely think she's gonna play a song that she wrote for the first time and sing to him. Don't you think?

[Jessica]

Jessica, stop it. Like, serenade him? Where? At the end of the aisle at the party.

[Camille]

She's Taylor. And then maybe he sings back. He sings to her, too.

[Jessica]

Stop it.

[Camille]

I wonder if he can sing. Does anyone know?

[Jessica]

We don't know.

[Camille]

We know he can dance. Because, I mean, I.

[Jessica]

We do know he can dance. He's got some moves. I like it. I. Here's what I. Here's what I like about this wedding to Travis has, like, pretty unique style. Like, he cares, right? Like, he's. He shows up. So I don't know if Travis is going to go for, like, a regular suit. I think there's going to be some flair.

[Camille]

Oh.

[Jessica]

Something interesting. I don't know. I don't know in what way. I'm not saying it's going to. I'm not saying it's going to be like a.

[Camille]

It's going to be a Gucci tax.

[Jessica]

Like, just maybe there's going to be a little. Yes. I. Well, I don't know about different colors, but I feel like he's gonna have, like, some flair to his suit.

[Camille]

I think there's gonna be a lot of dancing. There's gonna be a lot of dancing. I think that that wedding is gonna go all night long.

[Jessica]

Can I tell you something? If I was her, though, that I would be like this. This is my one condition that I need from you. Travis, I love you. I really do. Because you love our girl, and I really love you. But when he just has the stash, I don't. I mean, for the wedding. If it's just a stash situation, it's gotta go.

[Camille]

You're talking about the mustache.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camille]

The facial hair needs to be gone.

[Jessica]

Yeah. I don't mind like the beard or like clean shaven, but like the, like a handlebar, anything. Like.

[Camille]

Wait, so yesterday I went to CVS with the girls. They really love going to cvs. I'm like, wow, we're going shopping at cvs. They love a CVS run. We're in cvs. And we actually just were perusing the aisles and Josie goes, oh, hey, Travis. Hey, Victor. And I was like, what? And I looked to my left and do you know that Travis Kelce is the face on one of those, like, beard or hair dying grooming kids?

[Jessica]

No.

[Camille]

And then Victor's on this other show she really likes on Disney. Travis's face.

[Jessica]

Great.

[Camille]

Yeah. And it was clean shaven. There was no stash.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah. Would you be okay with the stash for the wedding or do you think he needs to, like, elude it a little bit?

[Camille]

Oh, I think you go for classic for a wedding.

[Jessica]

Which is what, clean shaven or a bear?

[Camille]

I think clean. Or maybe just, I mean, like. Yeah, you go like a little bit. Maybe a little scruff.

[Jessica]

I love a little sexy scruff.

[Camille]

A little scruff. Yeah. But also, you know, you're gonna be smooching a lot.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah, that's true. You gotta think about the smooch.

[Camille]

Yeah. Oh, you think there'll be a honeymoon?

[Jessica]

Oh, my God, I just got so excited. See, this is. What's. This is. What is it doing to us? Everybody online, there are people crying. It's like we've never really. I mean, you've met Taylor. I've never met Taylor Swift. And I feel like my cousin's getting married.

[Camille]

I love that. And you know what? I think that she would love that. I think that that's the whole point, right? That you share these stories and you let in the. Your audience so that you feel like you're same, same. Because we all are the same. We're all. Obviously things are different, but I mean, we all have hearts and souls and yeah, she speaks to them.

[Jessica]

I think it's also because we've all been on the ride with her through, like, public breakups.

[Camille]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

You know, like all the things. The scarf. I mean, like, we, we. We've been there.

[Camille]

Plus, she does that thing that sometimes you tell me to do, and it's such a good advice and I pass it on. Is that whole, like, behave like the leading lady in your own life.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Camille]

She is definitely the leading lady in her own life. Like, she is.

[Jessica]

I know. And it's like, he's the perfect co star. I don't mean to talk. To talk about him like he's a co star, but, like, he kind of is.

[Camille]

Partner. He's a great. And he's a great leading man.

[Jessica]

He's a great leading man for this.

[Camille]

Yes.

[Jessica]

God. You know what? Someone mentioned. And I literally almost screamed in my car because I was driving home when I heard the news. So stressed out.

[Camille]

And.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I was like, oh, my God, I need to get home. I need to look at the ring. I. And someone was like, babies will come next. And I literally. Jessica, when I thought about a little. Or not a little, because Travis is huge. A Travis Taylor.

[Camille]

Cute baby.

[Jessica]

I cannot.

[Camille]

Baby, that's one.

[Jessica]

I can not.

[Camille]

I know.

[Jessica]

We're getting ahead of ourselves, Jessica. We. I mean, literally, they just got engaged. We're already talking about babies.

[Camille]

That's what happens.

[Jessica]

I know. I know. Here's what we want to hear from you guys in the comments. Where do you think they're getting married?

[Camille]

Yeah. What date do you think they got engaged?

[Jessica]

Yes. What kind of dress she's wearing? What date? It's gonna be a very special date.

[Camille]

How long do you think that you should stay engaged?

[Jessica]

I. I'm giving them a year, I think.

[Camille]

Yeah. I think it's summer. Yeah. A year or under over a year starts to, like.

[Jessica]

No, no, no. I think it's gonna be. Well, honestly, they're up against football season, so don't ask me when that takes a break.

[Camille]

Rude. And she's an album coming out. There's a lot of life. I don't think. You know my other prediction? I don't think any of their life is going to slow because they're getting married. I think that that's the thing that they really like you about each other is that they just keep like it. They just enhance each other's lives. And so I think they're just gonna keep on going.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Camille]

The football season does end after the super bowl, which is in early February, so it could be a Valentine's Day wedding.

[Jessica]

Jess, that's not a lot of time for us to get dresses. Can you, like, email her or something? Because, like, I just need a sign.

[Camille]

Just need to be prepped.

[Jessica]

I just need to be prepped. I don't know what I'm wearing. Okay, you guys, I have to say.

[Camille]

I wish them a lifetime of happiness. Me, too. I'm so excited for them. I hope that they, that all their dreams come true and I hope that people give them the space and, and, and, and, and time to, you know, enjoy all of this.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Camille]

And then it also support and love. Oh my God, it's so exciting.

[Jessica]

Okay, you guys, thank you for joining.

[Camille]

Us fangirling about emergency breaking an emergency.

[Jessica]

Yes, we got on here real fast, as fast as we could. Jessica, this is, I love all of this. This will not be the end of this conversation. I'm sure as the next few months go on, we're going to hear more and more and we'll be back on here for emergency debriefing.

[Camille]

Yes, we will. Yes, we will. But for now, let's call it the.

[Jessica]

End of the episode.

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And it's available right off the shelf?

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