Call It Throuples Therapy Over a ‘Bear-y’, Scary Encounter

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Call It Throuples Therapy Over a ‘Bear-y’, Scary Encounter"

Podcast: Call It What It Is (iHeartPodcasts)
Hosts: Camilla Luddington, Jessica Capshaw
Guest: Matt
Date: October 28, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode is a hilarious, meandering group therapy session revolving around an unexpected bear encounter at Camilla’s house—complete with wild tangents on Bigfoot, domestic debates, and classic best-friend banter. For the first time, "Call It What It Is" welcomes Matt as the third wheel in the usual bestie dynamic, as the trio dissects what it means to face an honest-to-goodness “bear scare” in suburban LA and, naturally, whether Bigfoot could be next.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Throuple Dynamic Emerges

• Camilla introduces Matt (“the third wheel”) as today’s emergency guest—since their week was turned “upside down” by recent events.
• Jessica assures she’ll serve as “therapist/mediator,” keeping the peace between Camilla and Matt (04:00-04:55).

The Bear-y Scary Incident

• Matt’s Perspective:
  • At 5 a.m., their dogs barked loudly. Matt checked the Ring camera and discovered a full-sized bear and subsequently, three cubs in their backyard—“like a circus bear with cubs” (04:42–06:07).
  • Camilla jokes at the outdated “circus bear” reference, sparking playful ribbing from both women.
• Camilla’s Take:
  • Expresses fear the bears might return during her regular early-morning departures, worrying about her safety ("cocaine bear situation") (07:00–07:27, 08:28).
  • Critiques Matt’s “just peek outside before you go” advice, suggesting instead he should address her concerns empathetically and proactively (07:57–09:16).

Notable Quote:

"Why don't I just at 5 a.m. round the corner, see if there's a bear there or not? What am I gonna do? Honestly, if I round the corner and the bear is there with the three babies? Which, by the way, puts them in basically 'cocaine bear' mode. Because they're in protection." — Camilla (08:28)

The Home Depot ‘Bear Defense’ Plan

• Camilla sends Matt to Home Depot for “bear protection.”
  • Matt returns with fence extenders, a “large critter” deterrent (not bear-specific), and a “bear horn” on a keychain.
• Camilla humorously accuses Matt of trying to build a playground for the bear with sand from the kids’ sandbox (which he claims was multitasking).
• Camilla, frustrated by the lack of real solutions, does her own research and blames the bear’s attraction on Matt’s old vegetable garden (“bear buffet”), while Matt blames Camilla’s obsession with decorating for Halloween (“a thousand pumpkins”) (11:35–12:44).

Notable Quotes:

"Do you know what they have at Home Depot to fight against bears? Nothing." — Matt (09:51)
"Unlike Matt, because I care about protecting our family, I did some bear research... They went over the side where somebody started a vegetable garden, aka a bear buffet." — Camilla (11:45–12:11)

When the Bear Made the Local News

• The bear (nicknamed “Yellow 2291”) is identified by its collar as a tracked local animal (4-6 years old, 175 lbs, about 5’10”) (16:56–17:24).
• Incident generates neighborhood buzz; Matt boasts their Ring cam footage is better than the neighbors’ (17:03–18:16).

Bear vs. Bigfoot vs. UFOs

• Discussion spirals into cryptids and conspiracy.
• Matt jokes the bear could be Bigfoot; Camilla—self-proclaimed cryptozoology enthusiast—sincerely lists her belief in Bigfoot, Yetis, and even ponders "ghosts of Bigfoot."
• Camilla provides “facts” (7'3'' tall, size 17-20 feet, reflects light in its eyes, smells bad only 4-15% of the time) (22:30–24:28).

Notable Quotes:

"Do you believe in Bigfoot?" — Matt (19:23)
"I call them 'big feats' because there's more than one... about 30 to 40, I think." — Camilla (20:42–20:55)

Suburban Bears: A Changing Landscape

• Trio discusses why a bear might show up in a non-remote suburb (proximity to wildfires, drought, or food sources like pumpkins and veggie patches).
• Kids in the house are delighted by the bear visit, drawing pictures. Parents are, understandably, less enthused (36:35–36:55).

Relationship Therapy, Side-eyes, and Real Talk

• Matt and Camilla bicker over what true “support” looks like in a relationship and tease each other’s decision-making under pressure (bear defense, Home Depot trips).
• Jessica acts as a calm, sometimes bemused mediator.
• Camilla wants a clear protection “plan,” but Matt—caught unprepared—admits, "I never thought I'd need a plan for this" (39:39–39:45).

Would You Fight a Bear... For Love?

• Hilarious hypothetical: Would Matt physically fight a bear to save Camilla?
• Matt: “I would fight a bear for you... I wouldn’t fight the three cubs, but I’d fight the big one, honestly.” (38:03–39:02)
• Camilla and Jessica doubt his resolve, referencing movies (The Revenant, Midsommar) (39:02–39:11).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Do you want to be right, or do you want to get it right?” — Jessica (09:09)
• “I’m glad you bring that up, Matt, because that’s not the terminology in other countries... Sasquatch is what it’s called in Canada.” — Camilla (21:06)
• “The bear itself made the news in Los Angeles... they actually have a name for the bear.” — Camilla (16:36)
• “We live in an area... there’s a Starbucks down the street... We’re not remote.” — Camilla (34:59–35:12)
• “You have one job, literally... and this is what you want me to do, make a phone call?” — Camilla (38:26)
• “It's all fun and games until you meet a Bigfoot, right?” — Camilla (29:48)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|--------------------------------------------------| | 03:15 | “Throuple” therapy begins—introducing Matt | | 04:32 | Bear encounter: Matt tells the story | | 08:28 | Camilla’s safety concerns and dramatic retelling | | 09:57 | The quest for bear spray and Home Depot trip | | 11:44 | The “bear buffet” theory | | 16:56 | Bear makes local news | | 19:23 | Bigfoot beliefs—Camilla’s cryptid cred | | 22:30 | Bigfoot “facts” and metrics | | 24:44 | Bigfoot in every US state except Hawaii | | 30:11 | Cryptozoology tangent (Komodo dragon analogy) | | 38:03 | Would Matt fight a bear for Camilla? | | 39:45 | Matt admits he had no real “bear plan” | | 40:52 | Episode wrap and gratitude |

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Tone & Dynamics

• Language/Tone: Playful, sarcastic, deadpan, with frequent comic interruptions and affectionate ribbing.
• Dynamic: Fast-paced, free-flowing; Camilla oscillates between serious researcher and theatrical storyteller, Matt is practical-to-the-point-of-absurd, Jessica mediates but relishes the pandemonium.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

• Expect a wild domestic story with plenty of laughs, side arguments, folklore tangents, and heartfelt moments.
• Camilla and Matt provide a candid depiction of how couples react to surprise crises (with plenty of snark and love), while Jessica keeps the peace and pokes gentle fun throughout.
• You’ll leave with:
  • A newfound appreciation for urban wildlife, cryptid “science,” and maybe a checklist of what NOT to do if you encounter a bear in LA.
  • An understanding of why defense plans can spiral into comedy.
  • The enduring, ride-or-die nature of Camilla and Jessica’s friendship.

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Next Episode Teaser:
Jessica wants to choose the topic next time (“something more serious”), but until then, if a bear returns… expect a “bear-up” update.

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Transcript

[Camilla Ludington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Ludington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Ludington]

Yep. It's at all major retailers in all 50 US states. No prescription ID or age requirement.

[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Ludington]

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Call it what It Is with Jessica.

[Camilla Ludington]

Capshaw and Camille Ludington and iHeartRadio podcast. Well, hello, hello, hello, hello, Call it crew. And welcome to another episode of Call it what It Is. Just the three of us. Matt's here today.

[Matt]

Hey, guys.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Hi, Jess.

[Camilla Ludington]

We've never done three of us. No. We've never throupled.

[Matt]

No. No.

[Camilla Ludington]

I love a thruffle.

[Matt]

Very comfortable already.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. So. So you're probably wondering why, you know, why is Matt the guest today? And I would say that our lives were sort of turned upside down this week.

[Matt]

They were, they were. I was rushed in here for this last minute.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. It was sort of an emergency.

[Matt]

Crazy 48 hours.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. Do you wanna. Do you wanna tell. Jess already knows the stories Because I've been. No, but I kind of.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, honestly.

[Matt]

No, Just knows your version of the story.

[Camilla Ludington]

No, the whole. Here we go already.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. I think it's gonna be like this.

[Camilla Ludington]

I've told just aside with me on everything.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And by the way, I'm not going to listen to her. Matt, If I'm going to be very. I'm like, I'm. I'm almost like a. I'm a therapist slash mediator. Like, I'm just here. I'm here to just listen.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And give you my thoughts and reflections.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And my response is not my reactions.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. So why don't you tell. Jess has a story, but everyone else does not. So know the story. So tell us how the massive event that happened in our lives this week.

[Matt]

Well, little did I know that it was going to become such a massive event.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And I had no idea you'd want me to come talk about it on the pod.

[Camilla Ludington]

Well, it makes sense.

[Matt]

Two days ago.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt]

One of our dogs was barking extremely loud at 5 o' clock in the morning. And I checked the ring cameras to find out what the ruckus was all.

[Camilla Ludington]

About because we get some. You know, we get the odd little.

[Matt]

Knickknack, like a little squirrel or an occasional raccoon.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Um, I checked the ring camera and there is a bear in our backyard.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And I. I wasn't sure if it was real or not because it's completely unheard of.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's so crazy. Yep.

[Matt]

And so I watched it again and then I see a bear wandering around in our backyard.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And then.

[Camilla Ludington]

How big?

[Matt]

Like a mama bear? Like a. Like a circus bear size.

[Camilla Ludington]

A circus bear?

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[Matt]

Like, that's.

[Camilla Ludington]

I'm sorry, are you from 1950? There's no bears in the circus anymore, Dude.

[Matt]

When I said circus bear, did you know what size?

[Camilla Ludington]

No, I didn't. I'm sorry. I don't know.

[Matt]

It's a large bear, Jessica.

[Jessica Capshaw]

The average bear, I would assume that a circus bear was around 5, 10.

[Camilla Ludington]

5, 10? Like, in height.

[Matt]

That's exactly the size of the bear we saw.

[Camilla Ludington]

So sorry, I didn't realize that Jess was a circus bear expert, but go on.

[Matt]

So there was a circus bear in our yard.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I zoom in. I watched the video a couple times because it's crazy. Maybe a bobcat once in a while, but never a bear.

[Camilla Ludington]

And then what did you.

[Matt]

So I zoom in, and in the background, there's three little cubs climbing in to our yard behind the mama.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yes.

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[Camilla Ludington]

Like Goldilocks on the three bears. I've named her Goldilocks. We've since learned her name.

[Matt]

And since then, the last 48 hour, we. 48 hours, we have learned so much about this particular bear family.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. But there's also been a little bit of discourse in our home. Jesse, Here we go. Here we go. Honestly.

[Matt]

Okay. Here we go. Jess, I'll tell you. No, I'll tell you what happened.

[Camilla Ludington]

I'll tell you first. Okay. So he saw that, and he showed me the video, and I said, oh, my God. That's often the time that I walk out the front door. And our bet, it's actually like, you could. You could access where the bears were from the front door.

[Matt]

Okay, yes, the bear could access Camilla's car from where it was standing. That is a true statement. But that's what Camilla jumped to rather than the amazement of this bear in our yard.

[Camilla Ludington]

No, that's not even true, Jessica. I did not say, I'm worried about the bear taking my car for a ride. What I said was that is. That is.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You were worried that you were gonna happen upon this bear for an early morning call and that you were gonna get attacked by the bear.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yes.

[Matt]

Yeah. But she thought it was gonna be like. Like a. Like a cocaine bear situation where we just raced at her from the other side of the yard. And. And she felt from that morning on that she needed an entire, like, escort. Escort. Security guard detail. Detail for the Camilla.

[Jessica Capshaw]

The commute from the front door to the car.

[Matt]

So that's where you have.

[Camilla Ludington]

So annoying.

[Matt]

That's where the drama came from is because.

[Camilla Ludington]

Take a pause.

[Matt]

Pausing.

[Camilla Ludington]

I said, the first part of this conversation, Jessica, is I said, wow, that is the time that I leave for work. Obviously, that's their snack time. Right. And they've come to find some snacks. Now, if they come back, because they're like, we love this yard. If I'm leaving at 5am what do I do? And will you be a snack? Exactly. And what did you say? You said just.

[Matt]

I really can't remember, to be honest.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay, I'll tell you what you said, but I think.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Let him talk.

[Matt]

Said something like what did? Try, don't worry about it.

[Camilla Ludington]

No, it's not what you said.

[Matt]

Just they're not.

[Camilla Ludington]

No, you said, why don't you go out and just have a peek to see if they're there.

[Matt]

No, I said peek through the door to see if there's a bear before you go to your car is what I said, which is a logical response.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But do you have a peephole in your door?

[Camilla Ludington]

It wouldn't give me enough of the peripheral. I'd need.

[Matt]

Jessica, we have windows in a house.

[Camilla Ludington]

Right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, Right, right, right.

[Camilla Ludington]

Honestly, he said, just go out and peek. Just have a little. Why don't I just at 5am round the corner, see if there's a bear there or not? What am I gonna do? Honestly, if I round the corner and there is the bears there with the three babies? Which by the way, puts them in basically cocaine bear mode. Because they're in protection.

[Matt]

That's true.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Huh.

[Camilla Ludington]

What do you think of that advice, Jess?

[Matt]

I just said, look before you get in your car or go outside at 5 o' clock in the morning, seems logical.

[Camilla Ludington]

Does it? If when there's a predator out there.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like a therapist, literally, like you really are, I mean, you know, I have follow up questions that might not really be, like, I don't know, that we need. I mean, what do I say often, Camilla, do you want to be right or do you want to get it right?

[Camilla Ludington]

Like, I mean, obviously I'm both in this situation. So then I said to him, right.

[Matt]

You know where she's.

[Camilla Ludington]

I have a question, Camilla.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What would have been a better. What would have been a better thing.

[Camilla Ludington]

For him to say, first off, baby, I love you. I understand your concerns. It makes perfect. That is the time that you often leave for work. And I'm going to. What I. Which is what I forced him to do. I'm gonna go to Home Depot and I'm gonna get together.

[Matt]

Jessica, she sent me to Home Depot.

[Camilla Ludington]

And I'm gonna get together some sort of protection for the family.

[Matt]

Do you know what they have at Home Depot to fight against bears? Nothing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I was gonna say it's not legal in California. Bear spray.

[Matt]

They had, they had.

[Camilla Ludington]

What do they have. So I did send a dog.

[Matt]

I'll tell you what they had.

[Camilla Ludington]

And I said, don't tell me what you've got. And I'm going to hear the plan on the pod. So let's hear it. What'd you get?

[Matt]

Okay, I came home with a plethora of things.

[Camilla Ludington]

What is it?

[Matt]

I came up with some things that would add height to our fences. You know, to deter a bear. Just add a couple feet of fence.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Did you ask Chat before you went or did you really just like. Like you were improvising, like you went to Home Depot and you're like, yeah.

[Camilla Ludington]

Well, I don't think it's going to be deterred by 2ft of extra fence.

[Matt]

Okay, so I got the extra fence. Then they had some stuff that was like, keep critters out of your yard.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's a critter.

[Matt]

Hang on, baby.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's not a bug.

[Matt]

That's all they had. But they have small critters, medium sized critters.

[Camilla Ludington]

Do they have bear critters?

[Matt]

Large critters. I found the large critter thing.

[Camilla Ludington]

What is it?

[Matt]

But they showed pictures of animals on there.

[Camilla Ludington]

Was there a bear?

[Matt]

No, they didn't.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But again, you didn't ask anyone.

[Matt]

There was a dog. So I didn't want to deter dogs from our yard because we have four of them. So you've come up with.

[Camilla Ludington]

You came back with more fence.

[Matt]

I came up with that. I got you a bear horn. Oh, yeah, it's on a keychain too. So she can.

[Camilla Ludington]

Oh, my God.

[Matt]

Okay with her. In case there's a bear any time of day, she has a horn.

[Camilla Ludington]

And what does it do? I just blast it in its ear holes.

[Matt]

It just scares you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

My thing, just grab it by the snout.

[Camilla Ludington]

Can I tell you how this conversation really went? I said, you need to go to Home Depot. And so then he said, okay, I'm gonna go to Home Depot. I'm gonna get sand was the first thing he listed. I said to build it a playground.

[Matt]

No, wait a minute, wait a minute. In a previous conversation, she had told me that in our kids sandbox I needed to add more sand.

[Camilla Ludington]

That was from like a multi.

[Matt]

I was multitasking with the Home Depot trip.

[Jessica Capshaw]

He had a Home Depot list.

[Matt]

I do think I wasn't going to build it a sand castle.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay, well, unlike Matt, because I care about protecting our family, I did some bare research and I have since found out that of course bears, they're attracted to food. Now, did they go on the side where our trash cans were. No, Jessica. They went over the side where somebody started a vegetable garden, AKA a bear buffet.

[Matt]

Oh, I have not heard this, Jess.

[Camilla Ludington]

No, no.

[Matt]

She's blaming me for the bears.

[Camilla Ludington]

I think the little buffet. New information up there are they could swiff out those carrots and they're like, that's it, we're going in.

[Matt]

You know why the bears really came to our yard? No. That's why I haven't done a garden in there since spring of last year. So there's nothing there. Even when I had a garden, nothing was growing. So they're not there for that. They're there because Camilla loves Halloween. Everyone knows this. And we have a thousand pumpkins in our front yard.

[Camilla Ludington]

They didn't go for the pumpkins, though. They were all sniffing around the garden.

[Matt]

They didn't make it to the pumpkins, but that's what. That's what they were on to, I think.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Hey, can we talk about plan B for a second? What exactly is it?

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay, Plan B is emergency contraception you take after unprotected sex. Think of it as backup birth control. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation to help prevent pregnancy before it starts.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And it's available right off the shelf?

[Camilla Ludington]

Yep. It's at all major retailers in all 50 US states. No prescription ID or age requirement.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Ah, together we've got this.

[Camilla Ludington]

Follow Plan B on insta at. Plan B. One step. Use as directed.

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[Camilla Ludington]

Jessica?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, Jessica. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

Yes, please.

[Camilla Ludington]

Were they there for the pumpkins or the buffet?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, it sounds like the new information is that the. That the buffet was empty. There's no. There's no vegetables in the buffet. So I don't know.

[Camilla Ludington]

The problem is, is that this has actually made the news. Okay.

[Matt]

Yeah. It started as a little funny thing that we thought was a one.

[Jessica Capshaw]

The bear buffet.

[Camilla Ludington]

No, I. Not the buffet. I haven't released that to anybody yet. That's information sitting on. No, the bear itself made the news in Los Angeles. It's been on the news and they actually have a name for the bear. And the bear is. Hang on, hang on, hang on.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Did the bear go to someone else's house?

[Matt]

Yeah, the bear ended up going down the street in a neighbor's yard.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yes, yes.

[Matt]

And they had helicopters checking out the bears.

[Camilla Ludington]

I have it saved on my phone.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Poor bear.

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I know.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay, so the bear, its actual name is Yellow 2291. It's about four to six years old. It weighs about 175 pounds. And they tracked it because it had a.

[Jessica Capshaw]

510.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's about 510.

[Matt]

It's 510. See? Exactly.

[Camilla Ludington]

Circus bear. Jess, It's a retired circus bear. Yep. It has a collar on Though, So at first I was a little bit like, is that someone's pet? Like, I didn't understand it. Wait, it had a collar on? Yes. And it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, that's how they knew it was P722. Whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so I just.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Camilla Ludington]

My point in telling you all of this. Oh, wait, hang on. I do have to add this part. Okay, so Matt calls me, and he's like, baby, the bear made the news at another house down the street. And then what did you say, though, about their footage?

[Matt]

Oh, their footage was not very good. Ours was a lot better.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So, yeah, I decided to post our footage to see, you know, competitor footage, just to share, because ours was fantastic and the bear was there for a long time. Excellent.

[Camilla Ludington]

You were hoping to go viral.

[Matt]

I didn't really want to go viral, but I. If I did, it would be fine.

[Camilla Ludington]

It leads us to something even more important than the.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Than the bear.

[Matt]

What?

[Camilla Ludington]

Because you made a joke, and honestly, I didn't like the joke because you know how I feel about this, and Jess knows how I feel about this. What did you say that the. It could be you meant. Oh, yeah. Oh, maybe it was.

[Matt]

Bigfoot.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So just a joke.

[Camilla Ludington]

Not to me.

[Matt]

Bigfoot with a collar on about five' ten.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, the only thing that could have been better is if you said it was an alien.

[Matt]

Either way, she would have jumped on.

[Camilla Ludington]

It, to be honest. Actually, Matt, how many times do I say that I think I've seen an alien in the sky, A ufo, quite often?

[Matt]

Once a month.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah, once a month, probably.

[Matt]

But also, you know, if it's like, Loch Ness Monster, she'll dive in. If it's Bigfoot, she'll dive in.

[Camilla Ludington]

I just love it. But okay, Loch Ness. I. I'm not sure about Jessica Capshaw. Do I sincerely, honestly believe in Bigfoot? Yes. Yes.

[Matt]

Jessica, do you believe in Bigfoot?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't have an opinion on Bigfoot.

[Camilla Ludington]

How do you not have an opinion on a Bigfoot?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well.

[Jessica Capshaw]

How do. How does one have an opinion on Bigfoot? Like, I mean, like, are you talking about, like, reading the lore. The lore of Bigfoot or watching movies about Bigfoot or, like, we want to research.

[Matt]

We need to know if the Bigfoot in the John Lithgow movie years ago, if you. You think that was real?

[Camilla Ludington]

Harry and the Hendersons.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do I think a Bigfoot?

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. Exists.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, where? Like, there was. There is a. A Bigfoot that is, like, in the bridge between primate and. And man.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yes.

[Matt]

Walking around.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That has a large foot.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I Think this could.

[Camilla Ludington]

Sure.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean. I mean, I feel like. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, I am. I'm thinking of what you're putting down.

[Camilla Ludington]

I think if you. Thank you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But I think, like in present day.

[Camilla Ludington]

You think? Yes. So I. Here's what I believe. Okay, Matt, you already know this. I believe there is a. This is where people get to know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Really how crazy you are.

[Matt]

Yeah. We got time. Here we go.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay. I do believe that there are. I call them big feats because there's more than one. I believe I've said before. Do you remember how many I said that? I think that there are.

[Matt]

I don't remember that.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's about 30 to 40 is what I think.

[Matt]

Just total.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Globally.

[Camilla Ludington]

I don't know if globally. I agree with America.

[Matt]

Do you think there's Bigfoots?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, no, big feet back.

[Camilla Ludington]

Well, I actually, I'm glad you that you bring that up, Matt, because that's not the terminology in other countries. The Yeti. Yeah, I've heard that the Himalayan mountain range and the Sasquatch is what it's called in Canada.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I've heard that.

[Camilla Ludington]

So a Bigfoot is sort of more a North America sighting.

[Jessica Capshaw]

There's been sightings. Has there ever been a capture of one?

[Camilla Ludington]

No, Jess. I think that would have made.

[Matt]

I think then. Then we know.

[Camilla Ludington]

I think we'd fucking know if they captured.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, since I'm in my infancy as a Bigfoot believer, just if I'm going to be brought over to your side. I was just asking questions, okay? Don't be such a dick about it, dude.

[Camilla Ludington]

Don't you think. What if I'd be like, oh, yeah, you didn't hear about last week they captured a Bigfoot? It would have been everywhere.

[Matt]

I feel like they have. We just don't know.

[Camilla Ludington]

No, here's. I mean, that's possible. That could be like an Area 51 thing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I was gonna say.

[Camilla Ludington]

See. Yes, but we don't know about it. Jess, like you're asking me. Like, I. I have a theory on why they're. They don't want to be captured or seen is because if one did or we've discovered them, they'd be part of like, a sea world. It would be like foot world.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And they know this. They know this will happen.

[Matt]

Jessica, I haven't even heard this yet, and I have so many questions.

[Jessica Capshaw]

The reason why they're not caught is because they know they'll be captured. I'm pretty sure everything that gets captured.

[Matt]

Doesn'T realize we were talking about bears like, three minutes ago.

[Camilla Ludington]

I know. But they're both. They're both sort of creatures in the woods.

[Matt]

How big. How big do you think their feet are?

[Camilla Ludington]

It's an excellent question. I think at roughly a size, I would say 17. Adult.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Put it like a 20.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah, 17 to 20. Yeah. Obviously they're not wearing shoes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm making up an imagining that the. The footprint has been found.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Camilla Ludington]

The footprints. Okay, so. So the footprints have.

[Jessica Capshaw]

The Bigfoot remains elusive, but the footprint.

[Camilla Ludington]

You're right. That's how they feet are big.

[Matt]

That's how they know the footage did come out.

[Camilla Ludington]

Excellent footage. Came out of somebody on the street.

[Matt]

Not as good as my bear footage, but it was pretty good.

[Camilla Ludington]

It was not as clear. If your bear footage caught Bigfoot, then we'd be. We'd be making bank. Dude. For that footage. No. And in fact, there is a consensus about the size of Bigfoot. And I want to read it to you because I've got some facts.

[Matt]

Facts. You hear that?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, I did.

[Matt]

I did.

[Camilla Ludington]

Facts with the capital F. They are facts, Matt.

[Matt]

All right, let's hear them.

[Camilla Ludington]

The consensus is that a bigfoot is probably about 7ft 3 inches.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So bigger than your average circus bear.

[Camilla Ludington]

Bigger than a circus bear. And this was amazing. Its eyes may reflect light and look as if they're glowing. And then they only scare the.

[Matt]

Out of you.

[Camilla Ludington]

I'm not kidding. This is. Someone wrote this in an article. They only give off a bad smell 4 to 15% of the time.

[Jessica Capshaw]

4 to 15.

[Camilla Ludington]

I knew you'd have a problem with that fact.

[Matt]

They only give off a bad smell 4 to 15% of the time.

[Camilla Ludington]

Did I stutter? That's what I said.

[Matt]

Where did those numbers come from?

[Camilla Ludington]

The research I did this morning.

[Matt]

So we couldn't smell a Bigfoot like.

[Camilla Ludington]

Well, unless you're in that frame of percentage.

[Matt]

Got it.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay. I have to tell you, though, living in California is not. If you are scared of bigfoots. They're here. That's where they are. They're actually in. There's a lot of reports of them in California. I do. I do think Florida. I don't know what they're doing in Florida.

[Matt]

I thought they were like a wilderness thing, you know?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I want to know where you're.

[Camilla Ludington]

Well, I'm reading Florida now, and I am second guessing that because that seems a little. Oh, but the. Okay. They've been reported in every single state. A sighting in every single state except Hawaii. So they can't swim.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Or take a boat.

[Matt]

Yeah. That's fascinating.

[Camilla Ludington]

It is pretty fascinating.

[Matt]

Single Hawaiian Bigfoot well, that would, that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Would track with your theory that it's North America.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's North. You think I'm joking. South America. Yeah. Maybe under a different name though, right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

The Sasquatch or the Yeti.

[Matt]

The Smiths.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do you think that we sound the smartest that we've ever sounded on this episode?

[Camilla Ludington]

I understand.

[Matt]

Listen, I love you brought me in for this.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Hey, can we talk about Plan B for a second? What exactly is it?

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay, Plan B is emergency contraception you take after unprotected sex. Think of it as backup birth control. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation to help prevent pregnancy before it starts.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And it's available right off the shelf?

[Camilla Ludington]

Yep. It's at all major retailers in all 50 US states. No prescription ID or age requirement.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Ah, together we've got this.

[Camilla Ludington]

Follow Plan B on insta at Plan B. One step. Use as directed.

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[Camilla Ludington]

Listen, I understand that, like, it's all fun and games until you meet a Bigfoot, right? I genuinely, seriously, I'm not joking. I really do believe that they exist, I think. And, and this was very interesting to me that I did not know. Okay, so people that, like, search for creatures like this are called crypto zoologists.

[Jessica (Pandora Jewelry Advertiser)]

Okay.

[Camilla Ludington]

And they typically study and search for hidden or unknown animals to evaluate their existence. For example, in 1910. Now, granted, I didn't. I don't know if this source is real or not. This is just what I read this morning.

[Matt]

These are facts.

[Camilla Ludington]

These are facts from this one site that I found.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Facts. Yeah.

[Camilla Ludington]

A crypto. A crypto zoologist proved the existence of the Komodo dragon, which was once considered mythical. So, Eve, my point is, is if this source is right, who knows? If it is right, then this. There are things that we discover all the time that we have never known about. And are all these people lying about Bigfoot sightings?

[Matt]

I do think the. The expanse of the wilderness can hide many things we don't know about.

[Camilla Ludington]

Exactly.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Wow. You guys think.

[Camilla Ludington]

I think so, yeah. I mean, yes. And I heard today a crazy theory. If you believe in ghosts, okay, check this out, then there has to be ghosts of like, a lot of things, right? Are Bigfoots.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Ghosts of Bigfoots.

[Camilla Ludington]

Do you need a moment?

[Matt]

No, I'm good. Keep going.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Thank God you. You can see that Matt almost just expired because he tried to the ghost while Camilo is saying what she just said.

[Matt]

Right?

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

Let's hear it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I love you two so much, I can't even handle it.

[Camilla Ludington]

Jessica, just ignore him.

[Matt]

I'm just trying to help the ghost.

[Camilla Ludington]

You're not the ghost of. Huh? Of, like, was it caveman?

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Early man.

[Camilla Ludington]

Early man. People are seeing that and interpreting it as a Bigfoot. Not so funny now, huh? Pretty good theory.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Maybe funnier.

[Matt]

Still a little funny.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's still a little funny. Well, that's not very nice.

[Matt]

Help me out, Jessica.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, honestly, I can understand. I came into this really feeling like I was gonna have an opinion.

[Camilla Ludington]

You. Do you believe in Bigfoot?

[Jessica Capshaw]

And I am at a loss for words. I mean, I don't even know necessarily where we've gone to. We started with bears.

[Camilla Ludington]

Well, because, oh, it could be a Bigfoot. And I was like, don't say that, because you might be tempting a Bigfoot to come after. I mean, manifesting a Bigfoot.

[Matt]

Yeah. That was after the whole. It was a joke. It was.

[Camilla Ludington]

It's not a joke to me at all.

[Matt]

If you wanted to wear night vision goggles to go to work in the morning, it was just adding to the humor.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm just thinking about the ring cam footage that I want to see, which is you, like, darting from the front door to your car.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

With a bear horn in your hand.

[Camilla Ludington]

I. Literally.

[Jessica Capshaw]

On a keychain.

[Matt]

I meant to bring the bear horn just because I forgot you're on video now. I could show it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And then your beautiful gait and then, like, two extra feet of extenders on top of your beautiful gate. That matter.

[Camilla Ludington]

What did you. Did you do? I've done a lot of research to come here today and have a serious podcast. Did you do any research on bears whatsoever?

[Matt]

Yeah, I. I looked up bears, and.

[Camilla Ludington]

Baby, I don't think you're taking this seriously. Because they will return.

[Matt]

I do think. Look, I'm not making light of it. It is rather dangerous that they were in our yard. I just think that your overreaction was.

[Camilla Ludington]

I'm sorry. First off, you laughed at me when I asked if it was a grizzly.

[Lego Star Wars Advertiser]

Why?

[Matt]

Because they're extinct, aren't they? Or black. Aren't. Aren't black bears or grizzlies? One of them is kind of extinct. Right.

[Camilla Ludington]

And you think a grizzly is not endangered?

[Matt]

No. Wait a minute.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But they're not extinct. Yeah, they're endangered.

[Camilla Ludington]

There's not a lot of them.

[Matt]

I know what extinct means. Camilla.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh my goodness.

[Camilla Ludington]

Wow. Can I be honest? You're laughing at me thinking I did say something stupid just now and you just said the grizzly bears.

[Matt]

I. I got ahead of myself. I didn't mean the grizzlies are extinct. But aren't black bears really close to. You know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What?

[Matt]

Extinction? Or. Or is it a black endanger?

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, I think black bear and a grizzly.

[Matt]

I'm an idiot. Okay.

[Camilla Ludington]

A black bear and a grizzly are different bears.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, they are.

[Matt]

I know grizzlies.

[Jessica Capshaw]

There's less of them.

[Camilla Ludington]

You're not going to go to the Natural History Museum. It's next to a dinosaur.

[Matt]

Okay, it was.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I just want to know where the bears came from.

[Matt]

Let's talk about Bigfoot.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, like, where do they walk down from exactly.

[Camilla Ludington]

I did think there's a lot of. Okay, so the viewers don't know where we live. Maybe they're picturing that we lived really somewhat rural. We don't. We live in an area. There's a. There's a Starbucks down the street.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, sure.

[Camilla Ludington]

I mean, like we're living. I mean it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Did it cross over the big street?

[Camilla Ludington]

It would have crossed over.

[Matt]

Yeah. I mean there's. There's a supermarket right down the street.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It went shopping.

[Matt]

If I would have gotten other. Go that way.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It's a lot of food.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's a mom, right?

[Camilla Ludington]

It was a mom and she was dangerous about it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, because she protect the cubs. How old were the cubs?

[Matt]

I didn't ask them. Sorry, Jess.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Can't you put. Can't you put your little finger on the ring cam that. Can't you. Speed doesn't have a speaker. You can talk.

[Matt]

That was something Camilla said. Is she. I swear she mentioned we need to put up a sign or something. I swear we mentioned a sign during our.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Our morning.

[Matt]

You think that I. I'm pretty sure she mentioned we should put up a sign.

[Camilla Ludington]

This is my response.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No bears allowed.

[Matt]

Yeah. Don't come in this yard. Bears.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No bears allowed.

[Camilla Ludington]

Are you being serious right now?

[Matt]

Yes, I remember.

[Camilla Ludington]

You're winding me up. I did not say put out a sign for the bears. It says no bears.

[Matt]

But you're right. I should have put on the intercom.

[Camilla Ludington]

I don't know why.

[Matt]

Excuse me, guys.

[Camilla Ludington]

Honestly, I'm regretting inviting you here.

[Matt]

When you asked me how we were going to talk about bears for an.

[Camilla Ludington]

Hour, I said we just need. It's. It's turned our lives upside down. I'm now afraid of my own home.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Did you tell the kids that the bears were there?

[Matt]

Yeah, they thought it was very cool.

[Camilla Ludington]

They didn't think it was cool. They've drawn some pictures of the bears. It's a hot topic in our household.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So they were not afraid of the bears?

[Camilla Ludington]

No, no. They're excited, but I haven't let them in on.

[Matt]

I mean, it's a very rare thing. I don't see it happening. I can't.

[Camilla Ludington]

You don't think that they would be back?

[Matt]

I think it's pretty rare. But now I feel like since the.

[Camilla Ludington]

Time, I don't know, now they know.

[Matt]

Things are a little different. I think we'll see more.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. Apparently because of the fires in Los Angeles and near where we were, like, they're coming down.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Matt]

This particular family has been tagged and been relocated a few times, and they keep coming back to our neighborhood.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Your house. Well, what do you think they want? Your pumpkins?

[Matt]

Too many pumpkins.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Or your bear buffet? Maybe it was last year's beer buffet that got them. Maybe it was last year's harvest that has them dreaming about your buffet.

[Camilla Ludington]

Exactly.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So she could be right. And then it wasn't there, and it.

[Camilla Ludington]

Wasn'T there in there, so it went for the pumpkins.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So you're both right. How do you like me now?

[Matt]

There you go.

[Jessica Capshaw]

How do you like me now? Are there any more interesting stories about the bear that we. That we need to.

[Matt]

Yeah, I actually wrote stuff down. Let me.

[Camilla Ludington]

Oh, my God. You bought a notepad.

[Matt]

Well, because I want to make sure that I covered all of the ridiculous.

[Camilla Ludington]

Things that you said.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camilla Ludington]

Did you?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Don't leave any of them out.

[Camilla Ludington]

I have a question.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

If.

[Camilla Ludington]

If I saw a bear outside and I was like, oh, my God. And I. I went outside, I did my peek. I see the bear. Would you come and fight the bear with your. Would you fight the bear?

[Matt]

I wouldn't jump into just fighting a bear. I think I would probably tell you call work and tell him you might not come in for sale.

[Camilla Ludington]

I'm sorry. Let's just. Actually. Okay, so let me just understand this. I'm outside, There's a bear in front of me.

[Jessica (Pandora Jewelry Advertiser)]

Okay.

[Camilla Ludington]

He's like, whatever. Right. And you're not going to come out and fight. You want me to get on the phone and call the PAs at Grey's Anatomy, say I want to be late?

[Matt]

This is the whole strategy we talked about. You open the door, you peek. You don't Go outside.

[Camilla Ludington]

You are not. You have one job, literally. No, but I interpret the family. And this is what you want me to do? Make a phone call?

[Matt]

I. I would fight a bear for you.

[Camilla Ludington]

Would you?

[Matt]

I would fight a bear for you.

[Camilla Ludington]

I feel like your.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Your lips are saying one thing, your.

[Camilla Ludington]

Eyes are saying another.

[Matt]

I wouldn't fight the. The three cubs, but I, I, I'd fight the big one, honestly.

[Camilla Ludington]

Would you really? If our dogs got out? I really want to know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Have you guys seen the revenant? I don't think you'd fight. You don't want to fight a bear.

[Camilla Ludington]

That was grizzly, though, but thank God they're extinct.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Fight a bear.

[Matt]

We're going to.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Needs to live to take care of the children. So maybe he wouldn't come fight the bear. Maybe he would.

[Matt]

I would crawl into that bear if I had to for my family.

[Camilla Ludington]

Like Midsummer.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, like the revenant.

[Matt]

Yeah, like the revenant.

[Jessica Capshaw]

He slept in the bear.

[Camilla Ludington]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait. Okay, annoyingly, you have bought. You didn't tell me. You need to bring your note.

[Matt]

I think I covered it.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay, what do the notes exactly say?

[Matt]

Well, everything we talked about.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay. There was no plan. I had him come here, really, to describe the plan so that we wouldn't get attacked.

[Matt]

It wasn't something I ever thought I'd need a plan for. So I was unprepared. I'll be honest.

[Camilla Ludington]

Okay. I think that we have to call it Jess, is what I'm feeling.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What are we going to call it?

[Camilla Ludington]

And I call it a bear.

[Matt]

And honestly call it a bear.

[Camilla Ludington]

Honestly, I think that we should apologize for subjecting you to this entire podcast episode because Jess said, hey, do you want me to, like, I can. You know, I want to be here for the other. Maybe you want just to be the two of you. And I said, no, the three of us. It's going to be beautiful.

[Matt]

And now I said, I want to talk. Hey, I want to talk about world problems, and I want to change, you know, I don't want to make a difference.

[Camilla Ludington]

Bigfoot's part of the world.

[Matt]

Kamala said no. You're talking about bears.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You're talking about bears.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, do you think that the dynamic would have been different if it was just you two?

[Camilla Ludington]

Would have been worse.

[Matt]

I feel like you. You regulated things.

[Camilla Ludington]

You regulated it. It's better with you here.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But maybe I shouldn't have. Maybe we could have. We could have. Maybe we should have just let you be unhinged.

[Camilla Ludington]

Ah, well, there's always next time there is next time.

[Matt]

All right, well, there's another bear that comes by.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah, we'll give you a bear up.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Matt, I would like to choose the topic next time you're here.

[Matt]

Thank you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm gonna get a good one for you.

[Matt]

Good to see you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I love you. Camila, I love you.

[Camilla Ludington]

Good to see you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I love you so much. You guys are gonna go do something after this. I'm not gonna be there with you.

[Camilla Ludington]

We're gonna go do some shots. Stressed out, having a panic attack.

[Matt]

Going back to Home Depot.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Matt]

We are gonna show her.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. I actually can't believe. Because you spent. Sorry. But you spent so long there that all you thought distracted by the sand went that way.

[Matt]

And then.

[Camilla Ludington]

Yeah. Yeah. You do love.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You have to ask some people some questions.

[Camilla Ludington]

That does get lost at Home Depot. He loves.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Honestly, it is. It's kind of like Costco. You just get. You know what I mean?

[Camilla Ludington]

Like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

If you give a mouse a cookie that those. Yeah.

[Camilla Ludington]

Anyways, wrong place. Anyway, let's.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, maybe we should call it.

[Camilla Ludington]

We should. The end of the episode.