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Jessica Capshaw
Hello, hello, hello Call it crew and welcome to another episode of Call it what It Is. Today I am flying solo without my work wife, but I am joined by someone super exciting, Bryce Dallas Howard, and I'm equally as excited and nervous to have her on because, you guys, I've been a fan for a really long time and I'm gonna have to geek out a little bit. She's been in everything I've loved. I've loved her in the Village. I loved her in Jurassic World. She's directed Star wars and she has a new documentary called Pets out on Disney. I'm going to bring her in because we have so much to talk about. Everyone, welcome. Bryce Dallas Howard. Okay. Bryce Dallas Howard. Welcome to Call it what It Is. Thank you so much for being here today. I know you're so crazy busy. I spent the morning watching Pets, your new documentary that you directed on Disney Plus. And in the first 10 minutes, I was giggling so hard. I was chuckling like, I. And I woke up in a really funky mood. And I have to say that watching the documentary made me so happy. It, like, literally brightened my day. I'm not even kidding.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Yay. That is the hope. That's. That's the intention. Because that's what pets do, right?
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Jessica Capshaw
Yes. And I was surrounded by my dogs. I have three rescue dogs. So I was. They were with me and one of the dogs. There's a part of the documentary where there's a guy, like, out canoeing with this female dog that looks just like my dog. And I was like, look, this is what you could be doing if I was more active.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah. Sergey is definitely, like, in a kayak off the coast of Spain, and he has this adorable little dog. Yeah, yeah. And she's just a complete rock star. And they're living this, like, wish fulfillment life for life for both, like, dogs and humans alike. It's. Yeah.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yes.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Live like that. But Sergi does.
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Jessica Capshaw
Sergi does. I wanted to talk to you about why you ended up creating this documentary, sort of what research went into it. How did you find these kids, too? I was like, how does she find them? Are you on TikTok searching for, like, how did you find all these people to be part of this documentary?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Well, it was pets. I love pets. And I'm. I'm one of those folks that, you know, like, I'm sending videos early in the morning of just, like, the pet things that I find that crack me up. And I'm always taking pictures of my pets and, you know, they're just. It's. It's a whole. It's. It's just a huge part of my life and always has been, and I feel very lucky for that. And as I was making the movie Dads, which I did a few years ago, which is really a celebration of, you know, of dads and that. That specific form of love, I kept being like, oh, my God, we've got to do this for pets. We have to do this for pets. Because the. There, there are documentaries That, I mean, you know, and there, there's plenty of stuff out there, but in terms of things for kids, I've just looping back to your casting question. Like, I've seen documentaries for kids about like wildlife and whatnot.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yeah.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
But I love talking to kids about their pets, maybe even more than adults. I don't know. It's pretty much fun across.
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Jessica Capshaw
No, I agree. Because even talking to my kids about their pets, it's just they're so part of their life and they. And, and one of your, one of the kids early in the documentary describes them as being these magical beings that have taken pet form. And I just thought it was like such a beautiful description of a pet.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
The thing that really blew my mind. And just to quickly answer your casting question, the producer of this project, who is my partner in every single, in every single way, Elizabeth Jamison, she started as a casting director of documentaries and so she knows how to find folks who are genuine and unaffected. And it was like a lot of friends of friends, kids and all that kind of stuff. So that was really cool. And the thing that I sort of learned, talking to kids about their pets, which I experienced myself, but I'm so far from it now, like as an adult, I didn't remember this. They're especially wise and insightful about their pets because it's one of the first times as a kid that you, you start to almost be like a little adult. You start to have authority and you need to have discipline and you have responsibilities and there the, the being, you know, that is your pet is more vulnerable than you. And as a kid you're used to being the most vulnerable one. And so the sort of perspective, the parenting perspective that kids have in regards to their pets is so incredible to get to hear about.
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Jessica Capshaw
So I have a four year old little boy, Lucas, and he, we have three rescue dogs. He loves those dogs so much. When you're saying that, it brings me to times when he comes up to us and he's like, mommy Sully needs some love. She's not feeling good right now. And it's like, you're right. It's like he has that parental instinct over these puppies and some of them are older than him. Just so cute. Did you. Were you in a family that had animals? Because I did not grow up with animals and I was so excited to be an adult and get them.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
No way. What was the reason that you, you.
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Jessica Capshaw
My mom was super allergic and so. And I always wanted dogs. I had like picture books of puppies and I Was just obsessed. And so then when I could afford to look after an animal in my late 20s, I got my first rescue. And then every day. I almost picked up a dog this morning, actually, I really did. The only reason that I didn't. My husband was like, I just can't even look at you. Do what you want to do is because it was already taken.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Oh, my God.
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Jessica Capshaw
I would wait for four pets, which I argue is fine. Oh, but did you grow up with pets?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
I did. I did. I. I was really lucky. My mom grew up with so many pets. She has, like, insane stories growing up in Encino, California. And her. Her dad was like, a pilot, and he would, like, go off and bring back all these animals, and it was just like, wait, what? She had, like, a pet armadillo? Like, do not recommend. That is not something that can happen. They're not pets. They're not pets. But for my mom, you know, that was the case. And monkeys and all that kind of stuff.
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Jessica Capshaw
Really?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
In Encino, yeah, there were snakes and turtles and chicken and donkeys and alpaca and cats and dogs and, yeah, rats. But what was cool is that my mom, her philosophy was if we were really going to take care of the pets, then she was game and. And she held us to that. Like, it was like weekends were mucking out the goat barn. It was just like that. Those. That was. If, like, if I wanted to have goats, that's what I was going to be doing on the weekends. That was perfect because it's sort of like, as a child, didn't give us a false sense of what that responsibility would be. I think sometimes when. When parents sort of like, take on all the responsibilities for the pat.
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Jessica Capshaw
Which.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Which they should, but not including the kids, then kids grow up and think, oh, it's just easy to be a guardian to a dog or a cat or a fish or whatever it is. And. And no, it's a huge responsibility. A huge, huge responsibility. So my mom definitely modeled that for us and just, you know, we're just crazy pet people as a result.
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Jessica Capshaw
So. Yeah, I love that so much. My daughter, we just went through this with my daughter because she. She wants a snake. She's been wanting a snake since she was very young. We had these people over for a birthday party once that brought snakes over, and she's. She's like 2 years old with this giant snake on her. She loved them. And then. So she's been wanting them every single Christmas. We. She asked for one, and we explained to her that Santa, because she threatens to write Santa. She's like, I don't have ask you. I can just write Santa the letter and he'll just bring it. And then we have to explain to her that on the sleigh, stop gatekeeping mom. Yes, exactly right. We let her know that other things on the sleigh may be scared of the snakes. It'll hold off from that letter for Santa. But she finally just got her first own pet herself, which is our pet hamster. And the conditions that we said were you got to clean out the hamster cage and you got to check the water. And I think that it. Even though it's not that hard work, I think that it was a little shocking, a little adjustment for her to realize what it really meant to take care of that pet. So I totally agree with you that it's a great way for kids to learn the responsibility of what a little thing is in your house. It's a living being.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah. And then what's so funny is that story about your daughter with the seeing at a birthday party, seeing snakes. I. When I was five, at my birthday party, someone came out with snakes, and I screamed and ran into the other room, and my mom was like, oh, I know what I'm getting her for her birthday. So I got a little corn snake.
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Jessica Capshaw
Snake. I know this is what she wants, too.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Little corn snake. And I named him Jophus. And he was so. It was supposed to be Joseph, but I had a speech impediment. Oh, my God. So cute. He was so cute. And I was just. Literally just yesterday, I was with my. My sister and brother and their kids, and my sister just got a corn snake for. For her kid, and it's just, like, the cutest. Their faces are really cute.
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Jessica Capshaw
I. I mean, I'm not a snake person, but I do think the corn snakes are very, very cute. We got. We got to hold a few, and they're. They're like. They're like the Labradors of sort of snakes. Apparently.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
They're, like, friendly and emotional and, like, really, really, really. I. You know, there was a real. I felt loved. I felt loved by Joe Fist. Like, I definitely, definitely, definitely felt loved. But what's interesting is I'm still terrified of snakes. It's just really.
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Jessica Capshaw
Just that one. Was it, like, love at first sight as a kid when you got him then? Or did it take some warming up?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
And I don't. I don't know what that.
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Jessica Capshaw
But this is talked about on your documentary, though, actually, that moment where there are just some, like, there's a There's a guy in a documentary who was a rapper and then he ends up rescuing cats.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
The trap king.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yeah, the trap king. He made me laugh so hard. But he has a story about how, you know, he's rescued so many cats. But there was one particular cat that's like your soul mate animal, right? Like the totem to your Dorothy a little bit. And I feel like maybe that snake, was that for that for you?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah, In. In many ways. Yes. Sterling. Sterling talks about that. Out now is the score or, you know, soundtrack for pets. And one of his raps is on there.
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Jessica Capshaw
Okay, Okay. I loved it. I was giggling so hard. I thought it was so cute. I'm like, what is incredible.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Incredible. It's great. He. Yes. So he runs a cat rescue. And before all this kind of like, what you. You learn this in the documentary, he had a cat that he named Rick James. And this was like his soulmate and sort of changed everything for him. And I definitely, I mean, I think that that sort of exists for. For all of us. For me, definitely Jophus as Nick. That was a. That was a really, really, really big deal. But before, when I was young, I was very quiet to. To a degree that was a little alarming for my parents. And when I was. They said they had heard some like, little chuckles and stuff, but very kind of just internal.
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Jessica Capshaw
Okay.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
And I. My parents got me a dog named Frisky, a little Jack Russell terrier.
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Jessica Capshaw
Oh, my God. That's like a little Toto, like, sort of.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah, yeah. He was really cute and he was pulling on my blanket and so we were doing like a tug of war thing and. And I let out this giant belly laugh. And my parents said they, like, they've never forgotten it. It was like I. I was just like, laughing. They were like, you sounded like an adult. And I have a very, very, very big belly laugh now to this day. But they were like. It was like Frisky, like, brought me to earth sort of. And. And so it's, you know, animals, they like. I feel so present when it doesn't even have to be like my pet. A pet and animal, you know, it just is such a beautiful relationship, and it's a relationship without words.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Right, right, right, right. So there's a, there's a, a thing in the documentary that was kind of blew my mind because I hear lots of stories about, you know, pets doing incredible things for their people and the enormity and depth of that love. And then Sergi, one of the folks that we, that we profiled who's on the kayak off the coast of Spain, he's got this adorable dog, Nirvana, who's like, like a, like total wish fulfillment on every level. And then, and then he rescued a kitten named Goku who needed nursing in order to survive. And Nirvana the dog nursed Goku the cat. And it was not with like no human intervention at all. Like, it was just something natural that happened. And so it's just sort of like that, the fact that, that love can exist mean animals, like, it's not just, it's not just like, you know, human beings and animals, it's. Oh my God, they show up for each other in a way that is so, so meaningful. I mean that just, that just really stood out to me always.
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Jessica Capshaw
I love that. That's. I, I mean, I, I'm always, I mean, unfortunately I'm always on tick tock looking at animal stuff, so I get sucked into everything. And when you see that, those things like the rescued farm animal making friends with the random dog and now they. And that's my. I could watch that for hours. As soon as this documentary came out, my husband didn't know I was interviewing you and he was like, Camilla, you're going to be obsessed with this. And I was like, that's so funny. I'm interviewing her on Monday.
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Camilla Luddington
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Jessica Capshaw
And I'm going to rewatch it with my kids on Friday night, by the way, because that's our movie night. So we've made pets our movie night for, for Friday. I want to ask you, because usually I do this podcast with my work wife, Jessica Capshaw. Have you ever met. Because I feel like you're sort of.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
We've like not like properly, properly properly, but we've like, we've like, we've like Met each other at like, you know, like a Easter, like, gathering and.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yes, that.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
But not for many years.
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Jessica Capshaw
Okay. Okay. So I want to ask you a question because I was asking her.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
I know, I know her stepsister and. Or half sister. Sister, not steps.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yes, half sister. Half sister. So I was asking her last week because she was talking about being out in the world and auditioning and just, you know, the hustle of it, you know, for everybody. Last week I asked her if she sends her dad or. She asks her dad for tips sometimes on her acting work. Right. She'll send him some of her auditions after they've been sent. But is there ever a time where it's like, hey, do you want to sort of like direct me? And so I'm curious. You have an incredible director as a father too, Ron Howard. Do you ever go to him for tips on now directing out in the world, or is. Do you keep that sort of separate in your relationship with him?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
It's so weird because I'm. It's not conscious, but I. Yeah, I should. I should.
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Jessica Capshaw
No, I mean, I think it's. No, I think it's a really organic thing that probably happens. That's your parent. Right. So it's. I'm joke that my dad is not an actor, but he wants to give me tips on my acting all the time. He's definitely never done in his life and he's terrible at it. He has a lot of opinions. But no, she. It was just an interesting conversation because I was like, I would be hitting him up all the time being like, what should I do with this role? And that's just not something that happens. So. So clearly, yes.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
I mean, it's like, you know, it's kind of. I'm experiencing this now because I have an 18 year old and a 13 year old and like I was like a young mom. Like, I'm not like, you know, a cool, cool person, but I'm like, I, you know, I like direct in Star wars and I know I was like.
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Jessica Capshaw
I think that a lot of people would think that you're cool, but kids never think you're cool.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Never think you're.
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Jessica Capshaw
We're never gonna be cool. No.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
And so I'm like, oh, wow. And like, I embarrass like how the degree to which I'm so embarrassing, it's. I never knew what could be so embarrassing to another human being. Just the breath coming out of me.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yes.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Humiliating. Yeah.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yeah.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Just gets, you know, it's just. Yeah. My son is. Spoiler. He's more Tolerant of me.
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Jessica Capshaw
I have a girl and a boy, too, so I understand this dynamic.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah, yeah, I know. She's. She's definitely mortified by me, unfortunately. So I think that. And, And. And what's funny for me is that I. I was never, like, embarrassed by my dad. Like, I'm incredibly. I'm like, obsessed with him. I have him on a pedestal still. Like, we're very alike. We talk constantly. We do talk about the business, we do talk about stuff. But I don't really go to him for anything having to do. He finds out that I'm, like, doing jobs and stuff after the fact.
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Jessica Capshaw
The creative is with you. Like, it's not shared with him necessarily. Yeah, yeah.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
And like, my audition for nyu, this is sort of like a little famous story in my family. I was. I was headed to NYU to audition for the drama program, and my dad was driving me there, and I had yet to tell him what my monologue was, what I was doing, anything like that. And he been, like, asking me, wanting me to do it for him. And I was like, no, no, no. As we were on our way, he's like, hey, Bryce, why don't you just, like, warm up and why don't you. Why don't you just, like, say your monologue a couple times? And I was like, nope, that's okay. And he was like, well, I mean, maybe I can, like, help you. It'd be good to just, like, kind of just get it out and if there's anything that you know or whatever. And I was like, no, no, really, I'm okay. I'm fine. And my dad was like, bryce, I. I'm an A list director. My advice about this, like, what? Why are you not utilizing this?
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Jessica Capshaw
Like, no, no.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
And so it's. It's like, he's gonna Imagine documentaries, produced pets. Imagine is a company that my dad founded with Brian Grazer. And. And it's been incredible getting to work with Imagine documentaries. I worked with them on dads and all this kind of stuff. And my dad is going to come to the premiere tonight. He's like, I can't wait to see the movie.
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Jessica Capshaw
Oh, he hasn't even seen it yet until tonight. Oh, my God, I love it. He's like, I hope it's good.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
I'm like, I could have sworn you saw it. I could have sworn you saw it. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw some with your mom early on.
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Jessica Capshaw
Oh, my God, that's.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
I haven't seen it. I was like, oh, my gosh, that's Hysterical.
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Jessica Capshaw
I love it. Okay. You mentioned Star Wars. You directed some of the live action episodes. And I come from Grey's Anatomy has a very intense fandom, but I don't know if anything can beat the Star wars fandom. I mean, the intensity of those fans is incredible. But if I was stepping in to direct, even to act in any sort of Star wars anything, I would find it so intimidating, wanting and hoping to make the fans happy. I'm wondering if you went into directing those episodes with the weight of the fandom sort of in the background or if you were able to sort of separate that while you were able to do your job.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
That's such a great question. I mean, I think I would feel differently about this if it was something. If I had created a new story within Star wars, like if I was Jon Favreau in this instance. Yeah, but this is Jon Favreau's show. Mandalorian is his show. And, And I was there to be of service to his vision. And he had wisely partnered with Dave Filoni, who had apprenticed with George Lucas forever, come up in animation, was a very experienced Star wars storyteller. And so it was really my, My focus was on understanding what, what, what John was envisioning, understanding what Dave was envisioning, you know, and, and kind of like collaborating with them to bring that to life. Like, similar to, like, as, as an actor. Yes. I think it's probably different on a TV show because as an actor, you're more, you're more of an author of it than the directors that come in. But you're like, for the showrunner, you're there to breathe life to these characters that have been, you know, created before you were ever involved. And so that's, that's the, that's kind of how I feel about it as, as an episodic director. I, I really have. I mean, it's like, of. It's, of course, it's like a, It's a. Whenever you're working in something where there's a lot of passion and there are a lot of folks who, who. Yeah, there's just a lot of, like, love for, for the, the, the intellectual property. Yeah, you do, like, you, you, you do hope that your story resonates and the intentions behind it resonate. And so it was in, you know, my head, in, in, in that sense. But it was really mostly about focusing on John and Dave's vision. But if I was doing my own show or my own movie, my own short film, that's much more kind of A conversation directly with the fan base and, and that's even more. That's. That's more pressure, you know, So I have a lot of respect.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yeah.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
For, you know, anyone who steps into the role of being a showrunner.
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Jessica Capshaw
I do remember when your episodes came out, though. And fans absolutely are obsessed with your episodes. They're obsessed with you as a director of them.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
I'll never. I honestly will never get over the level of warmth and support that I have felt from. From the Star wars community. It is so meaningful and I do not feel entitled to it at all. It doesn't always have to happen. I do really. I really rely on the feedback. So I want everyone to always be honest at every point.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yeah.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Fact that it's been just a lot of. Just so much encouragement.
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Jessica Capshaw
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Oh, my gosh. That. That means so much. No, I. I'm. I just forever, forever pinching myself that, you know, getting to play in that sandbox and then that, you know, just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To survive anything is. Is amazing for, you know, there to be that much support. And I just feel very foreign.
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Jessica Capshaw
Do you feel like your passion now lies more with directing than acting? Like, if you had to just pick one lane to move forward, do you know what that would be for you?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
I like how you framed that because, like, normally it's for me. I don't have a. Like, I want to keep doing both, but if I had to pick one lane moving forward, I would at this chapter, lean into directing more. And I. And I am because I love, love, love acting and I love, love, love directing and pets is going to be or, you know, or is my second documentary feature. But I would love to direct a narrative feature. You know, I would love to have a show and direct pilots and all of that. And so there are definitely. There are. There are. You know, I don't normally use this word. I'm not. It's not a dirty word. But I don't even look at myself as being ambitious But I do have, like, certain ambitions. Like, there are things that I'm like, oh, it'd be great if I could direct a feature in my life.
- [35:44]
Jessica Capshaw
Yes. I think ambitious is such a great word, though. Right? Like, I love that. I love that for you. I love that for all of us. I want to see that.
- [35:53]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah, no, it's. It's. It's important. It's. It's important to have. Have things that are important sometimes because I'm not a competitive person and not competitive, which I think is like a happier. It's like a happier existence. Yeah, it can take a little bit of the. Like, sometimes people, when they're competitive, they're clearer about what their goals are. Where. When you're just sort of like, I just, you know, like, I want to, you know, be a good human being. Oh, yes. Challenge. And, of course, you know, support my family and just. Just all of that. It's. That becomes a little. The goals become a little less clear. And so just being like, yeah, if I had to be in one lane, moving and stick to one lane, it would be directing.
- [36:42]
Jessica Capshaw
Wow.
- [36:43]
Bryce Dallas Howard
And I do have goals that I haven't achieved yet that I would, you know, would be amazing to get to achieve in this lifetime.
- [36:53]
Jessica Capshaw
My. I've been a fan girl of you for a really long time.
- [36:57]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Oh, my gosh.
- [36:58]
Jessica Capshaw
Yes. Really long. I'm a huge horror movie fan. And so the Village was. I was obsessed with the Village. Was that, like, your first big breakout role? Because that's what I movie. First movie ever was the Village. Oh, my God. I mean, that's like. That is insane. You're incredible in it. I have so many moments from that movie that I used to make my husband watch over and over with me. And in fact, you're gonna laugh, but okay. There's one moment in this, in the movie where, like, the monster, whatever that being is, is creeping up, and you hold out your hand and Joaquin Phoenix grabs it in that slow moving. I literally. You're gonna laugh. I sent that scene to my husband back in the early days of dating, and I'm like. I feel like this is us. Like, you would just, like, take my hand. I don't know if he remembers that. I have to ask him. That's how obsessed with that movie I was. And then. Okay, so what was it like getting that movie? I did not see the ending coming. I know this is a million years ago for you, but just as a fangirl, I have to ask you the process of making that movie and M. Night Shaloman what he was like to work with.
- [38:03]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Oh, my God. It was. Well, it was such a kind of mind blowing experience. I had done. I had been auditioning for movies, but had gained zero traction. I don't think I was very. I was like, a little big in my auditions. You know, have a lot of energy and so just wasn't. Wasn't really getting callbacks or anything, but I was. I was getting. I was working in theater. And so I had done. I was like 2021, and I'd done by then a Broadway run, a regional run, an off Broadway run. And I was doing. I was playing Rosalind in As yous like it at the Public Theater. And Rosalind is a character who has, like, the most lines out of, like, any. Any female Shakespearean character. And. And I was. And I was doing the show and I was actually cast, like, sort of last minute. I replaced someone who, like, booked a pilot who had already been, like, performing it. And so it was like sort of this, like, crazy thing, me just doing this show and pretty early on performing. I looked out and I, like, looked in the audience because I'm obsessed with M. Night Shyamalan, and I was obsessed with Sixth Sense and obsessed with Umbreaker and watched, like, the DVDs, like, Extras of Unbreakable, like, Non Stop. Just couldn't get enough of it. And I looked out into the crowd and I was like, wait, that's a Night Shyama sitting in the crowd. And he had a white shirt on. It was like he had a spotlight on him. And he waited.
- [39:37]
Jessica Capshaw
I think he's very recognizable.
- [39:38]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is. He is. Totally. And he waited afterwards with his wife, and they introduced themselves, and he was in his early 30s at the time, and. And a few weeks later, he reached out to my agent and asked to go to lunch. And at lunch, he handed me a manila envelope and was like, this is the script to my movie. I would like you to play the lead. And I was like, what? You don't want me to audition? And he went, no, because I don't want to give the studio a chance to say no to this. I know, I know.
- [40:16]
Jessica Capshaw
This is just you guys listening. This never happens. This is the stuff that you land in Hollywood and you dream of happening, and then, you know, it doesn't ever. Okay. So if that happened to me, I feel like I'd be a little bit intimidated because I would almost wonder if I'm right for it since I'm not auditioning. The audition is like, it's sometimes a confirmation that like, you are right for this role. So when you were there on set on that first day, it's your big role. You haven't even had to audition for it. Were you freaking out a little bit?
- [40:45]
Bryce Dallas Howard
So no. And I'll tell you why.
- [40:47]
Jessica Capshaw
I love it.
- [40:48]
Bryce Dallas Howard
I know. Night. Night was awesome. Night was. I was the first person cast other than Joaquin and Joaquin Phoenix. And I had had a giant crush.
- [41:07]
Jessica Capshaw
On Joaquin Phoenix since Gladiator.
- [41:10]
Bryce Dallas Howard
No. When he was in Parenthood and I was Parenthood. And we were on on location education together in the trailer. And I was. He was 12. And I was like, I haven't gone to the hots for this guy.
- [41:22]
Jessica Capshaw
Oh my God. That's way back.
- [41:25]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Way back. But real life. Real life crush.
- [41:28]
Jessica Capshaw
Okay, now he's been cast as the love interest. You guys, I'm sweating for you.
- [41:33]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Here we are. Here we are. And I. Knowing that this was my first movie, he. He was like, okay, we're gonna start rehearsing immediately. And so he would book a car for me to come out from. I was living in New York at the time to come out from New York to out Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where he was living, which was, you know, like a three hour drive. And I would go out there at least a few times a week, and I would sit with him and we would go through the script. And then I would sort of like almost shadow him in a way. So I would get to. I would sit with him while he was like, with the storyboard artist. I would sit with him while he was like, going through other cast. I would sit with him when he was like, starting to talk with like the composer. And I don't know why he knew to do that. Cause I never articulated this, but that's how I was raised. I was the oldest and I was always with my dad on set and I would just be shadowing him. I would just be with him at all times. Because the younger ones were very overwhelming and they were twins. And then another one two years after. And so there was like, they were at home and I came to set and. And. And so I. I ended up feeling very comfortable. The comfort that I felt because of the privilege of growing up in the industry and particularly spending so much time on a movie set, which is like such a rare occurrence for a person to be on a movie set unless you, like, have a job on the movie. Lucky, Lucky, Lucky, Lucky, Privileged beyond. And then Knight sort of replicated that dynamic. So I. It. The questions that I had, so many questions were being answered as I was just privy to his process as a filmmaker and as a director. By then I'd been, I'd already been directing theater and all that kind of stuff. And I was like, oh my God, the way this man works is so unique, so remarkable, so disciplined, so creative. Oh my God, it was just mind blowing. So genuinely, for six months night I worked with me and then separately, you know, I was doing a lot of research and a lot of work and, and I, and I do. It's important for me to say this. As much as I loved playing Ivy Walker and you know, what a great character and there is a supernatural aspect to her and you know, and the movie at large, that's a visually impaired character and I'm not visually impaired. And there are like so many dope actors out there who would have killed at that part. So I am looking forward to, you know, more movies happening like the Village and for it to be cast in a way authentic to the character. So it's really important to say that. And I, and I really, at the time, I really appreciated and valued enormously all the incredible individuals, you know, from the blind community who were. I would not have been able to do that performance had I not been, you know, learning from them and talking to them and consulting and all that kind of stuff. So, so very, very, very, very grateful. And, and yes. And, and, and we can do better. I.
- [45:08]
Jessica Capshaw
But I know, I love that you said that. I thought you were beautiful in the movie. I really was such a fan. And I also love that you said that too.
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- [47:46]
Jessica Capshaw
Are your kids kind of wanting to be in the industry?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
For sure. For sure.
- [47:50]
Jessica Capshaw
Okay, cool. It's funny because my daughter so I always wanted to be an actress from like 5 years old. I was obsessed with the wizard of Oz. I was obsessed with Annie. And my daughter got to do a production of Annie when she was like so seven. And I was like, oh my God, this was my dream. I never got to do this. And she walked off the stage. It was like a local community little thing. She walked off the stage and I said, oh my God, how was that? And she was like, I hated it. So boring. And I was like so horrified. It's not that I want her in the industry, but I was like, she just doesn't have that thing right now. And I honestly hope that she kind of doesn't.
- [48:33]
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Jessica Capshaw
Because we know what it's like to be in our industry. It's really tough. And she's actually beautiful artist, but I don't think any of my husband's an actor too. I don't think our genetics have at all spread to the kids with the acting vibe that could change.
- [48:49]
Bryce Dallas Howard
So I, when I was a kid, I was like, I said I was kind of like a, you know, quiet and a dreamer. And my dad would. Said that he would go to the. He would go to the play because he was like a child actor. So. And I was like a cute little kid. And so he was like, oh, she's gonna be dazzling on the stage. I would sort of like stand in the back and just like mouth and clearly didn't know any of the song.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Just like, what?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
And it just wasn't, it didn't, it didn't switch on for me until, until later. There were a few kind of things that I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But it was like, I remember I was going to an academic camp that my parents were like, why are you doing this, Bryce? When I was between like seventh and eighth grade and like eighth grade and ninth grade, and it was at Vassar, it was super, super fun. And they had a theater kind of. They had like a theater program as part of the summer program. But it never occurred to me to sign up for it. I was like, no, I'm here to study debate and philosophy and psychology and I sign up to come to Vassar to take college level courses. And why would I do theater? Like, what? Like, yeah, you know, it's so weird that that didn't really occur to me. So I wasn't, I wasn't really a kid that that was thinking acting. I did want to be on a set. All I wanted was to be on a set. My parents had total control over me because if they even began to threaten the possibility of me not being able to go to set the next day, I was going to cooperate.
- [50:40]
Jessica Capshaw
What did you love about it? Because right now when I bring my kids, they love the crafty truck. They love it. They're like, they know that there's a bunch of cookies, but other than that. And they do like sitting there and listen. But then, you know, 45 minutes in, they're like, are we going to go? So what was it that you loved about being there as a kid?
- [50:56]
Bryce Dallas Howard
So crafty is the perfect gateway. When I was seven, my first, my first, like in quotes, job on set was I. Because I wanted to help. And that was kind of the idea too. My parents were like, you don't get to like, hang around unless you're helping because no one on everyone on set has a job. And so I would help with squeezing the orange juice in the morning at craft service. But then I really, I like, I loved craft service so much. And like, by the time I was 11, they had to like release a memo at some point. And they're like, if you see redheaded children by craft service. Please guide them towards village.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Do not belong there. But then I would, I think it was, it was that there were like, I would go. I would go into work in the morning with my dad and he would kind of talk through the shot list and he would, you know, he made it really interesting because I was really included in his process. And so I was almost like a game. Like, I knew that he had, you know, seven setups before lunch and these situations and how are they going to figure it out? And. And the actor was dealing with X, Y or Z. And I had heard that. And so I was always. It was very active. It never felt boring. It never felt boring. Going back to the village for a moment, I was so kind of trained in my head. Like, when you're good, you're on set. When you're being punished, you're not on set. That I would rap, like with the village. And if they had like additional setups without me, I would literally be like, can I just sign out and sit and hang out and I can like go and help prep the wicks. Can I just. To like going from department to department. And. And yeah, they finally, like, they were like, they were like, yeah, you can sign out and just hang in your trailer. I was like, no, I either want to be on set, but if it's like a closed set in this moment, I'd rather just. Just go and hang in the trailers. And. And so, yeah, I did not feel comfortable leaving until everybody else was gone. Wow.
- [53:23]
Jessica Capshaw
I. I have to admit, I'm not as professional or as passionate as that because when I get to go, I'm in my car. I can't. I'm so tired.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Oh, yeah, that's how I am now. That's totally. That's how I am now. No, that's totally right. I'm like, yeah, my Bob, everyone. I love it. I light up when I'm. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it's a lot. It's a lot.
- [53:48]
Jessica Capshaw
It is. Those are, those are long days, people. They can be 17 hour plus days.
- [53:52]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Acting retiring than directing, I think.
- [53:55]
Jessica Capshaw
Oh, oh.
- [53:57]
Bryce Dallas Howard
A lot more tiring than directing.
- [53:58]
Jessica Capshaw
Oh, that's so interesting.
- [54:01]
Bryce Dallas Howard
By a lot. My opinion.
- [54:03]
Jessica Capshaw
Yeah, that's interesting. I've never done. I, you know, there's a lot of actors on our show that end up directing and I've been asked if it's something that I'm interested in. I would love to direct a comedy. That's what I would like to do. I would just. That's one of my dreams to be able to do that at some point, but. But I'll have to report back what I find more exhausting if I get to actually have the honor of doing that one day. I have to tell you that my daughter also loves you because she loves spooky things. She loves creepy things and scary things. And I have held off on letting her watch anything scary. And then the first movie. Listen, I don't judge me because maybe it's not appropriate. I let her watch earlier this year, Jurassic World.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah. How old is she?
- [54:50]
Jessica Capshaw
She's eight. I don't know if it's a little young.
- [54:52]
Bryce Dallas Howard
I don't know if it's a little.
- [54:53]
Jessica Capshaw
Young, but we watched it. She is so obsessed with that movie, and her favorite part is my part. And my husband was like, you have to tell her that you made us watch the Slow Mo run out of the. Where you had to open the T. Rex cage. And then you run out Slow Mo. Like, you know when you sit in a movie theater and you get goosebumps? That was a goosebump scene for me, and my daughter loves it, too. So I asked her if she wanted me to ask you anything, and she wanted me to ask you if you could pick your favorite dinosaur between Blue, who is the. He's a. Yes. Yes. And the T. Rex. And I was like, I'll have to ask her.
- [55:36]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Oh, that's. That's a tough. That's a tough one.
- [55:39]
Jessica Capshaw
Because Blue is trainable. The T. Rex isn't, but the T. Rex did kind of help save the day with Blue. And that. I don't know. I must be complicated for you. I understand.
- [55:49]
Bryce Dallas Howard
The way. The way I think about Rexy is, like, she's really. She's the true lead of the entire franchise. Like, she's in every movie. She's like, the true. Like, the true lead.
- [56:01]
Jessica Capshaw
She's number one on the call sheet.
- [56:03]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Number one on the call.
- [56:04]
Jessica Capshaw
Yeah. As she should be.
- [56:05]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Yes. Okay. So I love. Like, I. I should. I should. I should choose the T. Rex because I've ran from her. I ended up riding on her back a little bit when she was, like, passed out during Fallen Kingdom. There's, like, definitely a lot of connections there.
- [56:24]
Jessica Capshaw
Yes.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
But Blue as a character is so exciting because it sort of gets into, like, the pets territory where it's like, oh, my gosh. This is like. This is like a very dangerous animal where there's a relationship with a human. And especially when Blue is not in captivity. Anymore. It's like. And you see that, like, choices are made in support of the relationship and the bond between Blue and Owen Grady. Oh, I'm like, all about that. I love that so much. And I think I always felt like it was something that all of us talked about and that Chris Pratt, in particular was really focused on sort of not making Blue overly cuddly. Keeping the danger real is so much a part of the appeal of it. Because then you're like, oh, my gosh. When she's like, you know, trying to help out, take down the Indominus Rex.
- [57:29]
Jessica Capshaw
I know. We just saw you. We went to. It was spring break. We went to Universal Studios last week, and we just saw you on the ride. Have your kids done that ride? And do they. Are they like, that's Mom. Or are they like, oh, God, that's Mom.
- [57:44]
Bryce Dallas Howard
My God. You know, what is the crazy thing? And this is, like, classic, like, how we started with me being like. Like, my dad is on. Hasn't even seen yet. Like, my first movie that's going to be coming out. I have no idea. I have no idea. They have totally been to Universal. They go to Universal Fright Night.
- [58:03]
Jessica Capshaw
You're in that ride. You're one of the. You have a little thing where you talk. They didn't report back anything. No one impressed.
- [58:12]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Nonplussed, not impressed.
- [58:14]
Jessica Capshaw
You can't even be a ride at Universal Studios. I don't know what. How do we win our kids over? What can we do? I don't know what we could do.
- [58:21]
Bryce Dallas Howard
There's nothing. There's nothing that we can do. There's. There's. There's nothing. We just have to wait for the hormones to settle, and then one day they'll.
- [58:32]
Jessica Capshaw
In 30 years from now, they have kids.
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Jessica Capshaw
Then they'll be on the ride and I'll be like, look, there's Grandma.
- [58:38]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah.
- [58:39]
Jessica Capshaw
And that'll be the moment.
- [58:40]
Bryce Dallas Howard
It's true. I mean, when I. When I was a kid growing up and my dad was filming Apollo 13, it was at the Universal backlot and. And I was, you know, like, helping out on set and stuff like that, and I was in charge of getting all the lunch orders together and.
- [59:03]
Jessica Capshaw
Your crafty dreams related.
- [59:06]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah.
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Jessica Capshaw
Yeah. Yes.
- [59:07]
Bryce Dallas Howard
And when after. After lunch and after everything was cleaned up, I would always have, like, a little break and. And sometimes I would, like, go into the park and ride the rides, which is, like, so fun. And there was a backdraft ride that my dad was in, and I remember being impressed with that.
- [59:28]
Jessica Capshaw
I think you gotta Ask them. I'd be like, I know you guys have been, and I know I'm on one of those rides we have yet to discuss.
- [59:36]
Bryce Dallas Howard
They must have. They must have.
- [59:40]
Jessica Capshaw
I have one last question for you before we go, and it's very timely. And since you brought up Apollo 13, I have to ask.
- [59:46]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Yes.
- [59:47]
Jessica Capshaw
The first all female crew that went up into space. Katy Perry. Everyone's talking about it. So when they're talking about, like, space tourism now, if you were offered the chance to go up into space, would you take it? Because I watched that launch and I was like, there's no way.
- [60:05]
Bryce Dallas Howard
No.
- [60:06]
Jessica Capshaw
There's no way I'm going.
- [60:07]
Bryce Dallas Howard
No way. Nope.
- [60:09]
Jessica Capshaw
It doesn't help that you on the set of Apollo 13.
- [60:11]
Bryce Dallas Howard
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's. It's. I think the sensation probably of feeling weightless is. Is, you know, unbelievable and all of that. And when they were doing Apollo 13, they. They did this thing called the Vomit Comet is what they nicknamed it, where it was a plane that would, like, drop and they would get 27 seconds of weightlessness.
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Jessica Capshaw
Is that how they shot that?
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Bryce Dallas Howard
How they freaking shot that movie? Insane. The insurance would never cover it now. And so. And so that kind of, like, wait list thing is. Is. Is wild.
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Jessica Capshaw
I mean, maybe I could do that. I feel like, though, they were only up there for apparently, like, four minutes. It was like four minutes of weightlessness and the terror of going up. And then they have the sound audio of them coming down. Then they're all just screaming. I don't even like flying. Like, I don't. I don't know if the four minutes is worth it. I really don't. Yeah, I watched it and I was not jealous at all.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
My mom would love to go to school. She would love to go to space. Love it. And my. One of my nieces, I. My brother is, like, terrified because she's. We can just, like, all feel it. We're like, oh, God, she's going to be an astronaut. We can just feel. Feel it.
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Jessica Capshaw
Like, that is terrifying.
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Bryce Dallas Howard
He's like, she's gonna want to go to Mars.
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Jessica Capshaw
I'm like, I know, I know, I know. But I futurize, too, with my kids, too. I would be like this, too. I'd be like, God, it's going to be a Venus trip when she's 21. It's not going to be Cabo anymore. It's gonna be convenience. Thank you so much for coming on the pod. Please, everybody, check out this incredible documentary, Pets on Disney. Plus, it makes for such a good family movie night. That's my plan. I watched it by myself drinking coffee this morning and giggled and felt all the warmth and all the things and I've been wanting. You were on my original guest list for this podcast day one and so I'm just so happy that you're finally here.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
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