Call It with Kristin Chenoweth

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Call It What It Is" Featuring Kristin Chenoweth, Jessica Capshaw, and Camilla Luddington

Podcast Information:

• Title: Call It What It Is
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Episode: Call It with Kristin Chenoweth
• Release Date: December 16, 2024
• Description:
  Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington, best friends known for their roles on Grey's Anatomy, navigate the complexities of life and friendship with Kristin Chenoweth as their special guest. The podcast delves into personal anecdotes, professional experiences, and the significance of supporting one another through life's ups and downs.

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1. Introduction and Friendship Dynamics

Camilla Luddington opens the episode by highlighting the deep-rooted friendship between Jessica Capshaw and herself, emphasizing their unwavering support for each other in both personal and professional spheres.

Camilla (04:18): "If you don't know her, you're going to fall in love. And if you do know her, yeah, of course you know her."

This sets the tone for a heartfelt conversation about the strength and resilience of their bond, especially under the pressures of working in the entertainment industry.

2. Working with Kristin Chenoweth on "Holiday"

The core of the episode revolves around their collaborative experience with Kristin Chenoweth on the holiday-themed movie, Holiday. Camilla and Jessica share behind-the-scenes stories, shedding light on the camaraderie and challenges faced during production.

Jessica Capshaw (05:18): "Oh, you."

A playful exchange exemplifies their close-knit relationship, further explored through humorous and intimate anecdotes.

3. Memorable Filming Experiences

Anecdotes from Set: The trio delves into various memorable moments from filming, including light-hearted incidents and unexpected challenges.

Camilla (19:13): "What happened? Okay, we need to know this story too."

A particularly funny story involves an unexpected and humorous incident involving a boom operator.

Kristin Chenoweth ("Holiday") (18:14): "We got farted on and... couldn't even look at each other. So we went in loops."

This story not only entertains but also showcases their ability to find humor in the midst of filming pressures.

Personal Struggles: Kristin shares a personal and vulnerable moment about dealing with workload fatigue and the importance of self-care.

Kristin (40:56): "My addiction is work, and so I have to constantly. I'm there now. I'm actually there right now. It's been 41 days, and I am there now."

This confession opens up a dialogue about the universal struggle with balancing professional commitments and personal well-being.

4. Themes of Self-Care and Support

The conversation transitions into broader themes of self-care, mutual support, and combating loneliness—topics that resonate deeply with the listeners.

Camilla (74:59): "These are the moments that make us human and connect us."

Kristin emphasizes the importance of taking breaks and setting boundaries to maintain mental and physical health.

Kristin (76:15): "I want to encourage all women, especially women, to find their own battle cry. Life is hard enough."

5. Reflections on Career and Personal Growth

The trio reflects on their individual journeys, highlighting growth, resilience, and the continuous pursuit of personal and professional fulfillment.

Camilla (63:03): "What’s really important... these struggles and definitions of self and character is so important."

They discuss the evolution of their roles and how their experiences shape their identities both on and off the screen.

6. Closing Thoughts and Future Endeavors

As the episode wraps up, Camilla and Jessica express their gratitude towards Kristin for her role in their lives and careers. They also hint at future projects and the ongoing support they will continue to provide each other.

Kristin (72:18): "I have a story that... I think this Finch girl might fall."

This suggests upcoming discussions or revelations, keeping the audience engaged for future episodes.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Camilla Luddington (04:18): "If you don't know her, you're going to fall in love."
• Kristin Chenoweth ("Holiday") (18:14): "We got farted on and... couldn't even look at each other."
• Kristin Chenoweth (40:56): "My addiction is work, and so I have to constantly... I'm actually there right now."
• Camilla Luddington (74:59): "These are the moments that make us human and connect us."
• Kristin Chenoweth (76:15): "Life is hard enough. Find your own battle cry."

Conclusion

"Call It What It Is" offers an intimate look into the lives of three beloved actresses, showcasing their friendship, professional collaborations, and personal struggles. Through candid conversations and shared experiences, Jessica Capshaw, Camilla Luddington, and Kristin Chenoweth provide listeners with relatable insights and heartfelt moments, reinforcing the importance of camaraderie and self-care in navigating life's challenges.

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Note: The podcast includes advertisements interspersed throughout the transcript. This summary focuses solely on the content sections, omitting all promotional material as per the provided instructions.

Transcript

[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Luddington]

Days a month, each lasting four hours or more.

[Kristin Chenoweth]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

Botox is a prescription medicine injected by your doctor. Effects of Botox may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. Alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems or muscle weakness can be signs of a life threatening condition. Patients with these conditions before injection are at highest risk. Side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue and headache. Allergic reactions can include rash, welts, asthma symptoms and dizziness. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions including als, Lou Gehrig's disease, Myasthenia gravis or Lambert Eaton syndrome and medications including botulinum, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. Talk to your doctor and visit botoxchronicmigraine.com.

[Camilla Luddington]

Or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more.

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Camilla Luddington]

That's true. I love me some Kristen.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Chenoweth. I love her so much. You all. If you don't know her, you're going to fall in love. And if you do know her, yeah, of course you know her. But if you don't, if you haven't heard her talk like in her real voice about her real life, you're going to fall in love. And if you do know her, then you're just going to fall deeper in love.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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[Camilla Luddington]

All the things. And she will. Kristen, I was just talking about how much I love.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, you.

[Camilla Luddington]

Where are you? In the bathroom. What's happening?

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Oh my God, Kristen, I'm so excited to meet you. I feel like I know you because Jess talks about you all the time.

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[Camilla Luddington]

You're like family. I mean we played family. That's how we met. But even when we. I go to. I had been on Grey's for so long and you get off and you're like oh, I'm going to go do something different and what's that going to be? And it ended up being this movie that I auditioned for three times because they're like I don't know if she's funny, do I?

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[Camilla Luddington]

No, you would have like flipped a table if you found that out.

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I'm already flipping a table.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah, flip it, Kristen. Just flip it, flip it, flip it. She's pissed. Why she have to audition Anyways, I get the part and I come to the table reading Atlanta and I walk in and we're in some like, I don't know, I mean the production offices were in like a garage and I, I see this bright gorgeous face and she runs up to me like, like, like, like we're like we're long lost family. And I, I couldn't believe it. And I also was like, I believe you. We're family. And that's how it started.

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I fell in love with her. She doesn't remember this Camilla but I was on a red carpet before anyone was born and baby Jessica was there.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh my God.

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Just. I can't remember what even show you were doing at the time but I just thought that girl's really talented. And then when Holiday came up, I, you know, you know me now caps. I'm just like I can't wait to say hi and just like love on her. And so I went right up to her in my much too muchness that.

[Camilla Luddington]

I am and never enough.

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[Camilla Luddington]

It was, it was. We were off to that we were off to the races and we were all staying in the same apartment complex and we would call each other video, send videos to each other, ride in the car together, stop at Starbucks together. I knew her order but I knew your Starbucks order by heart. Like I could go to Starbucks for you.

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[Camilla Luddington]

We want to know. Sorry. Her beverages don't come from Starbucks. Where do your beverages come from?

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Coca Cola. I like Coca Cola.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Okay?

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yes. She's the first. That's what. She said it before I could get to it.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yes. I get them in airports. I get them. I get them wherever. Yes. Because it's a perfect little bite. Yeah.

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Well, now we got. So how long were you guys shooting that together for?

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Forever. No. Was it caps? Was it like two or three months? Maybe?

[Camilla Luddington]

It felt like forever because we went through every single holiday in the year. So it felt like a year, but it wasn't a year. I don't know. I feel like we started in May, and we were done by the beginning of August, the end of July.

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[Camilla Luddington]

I had my baby girl because she was the only one that wasn't in school. So she would come back and forth. So I would always have, like, a car seat that I'd try to put in the van or I'd like.

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I swear, Jessica was. We would go on our days off. She's like, what do you want to do? I'm like, I'm. I'm. I'm rode hard and put away wet. What? What do you mean? I'm exhausted. She was like, let's go shopping. Let's go. And there was. In our little Pont City, there was a jewelry store, There was a gift store. And she'd have all her kids, which I think there are 27 of them.

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And they were. Their kids are good.

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She's like, you want to go out after? I'm like, no, I don't.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

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[Camilla Luddington]

She would. I mean, let's not. Let's not pretend that you were doing nothing in your room. When I would find out later, like, so what did you end up doing? And she'll be. She'd be like, Well, I had 14 interviews and then I did a bedside version acapella. I did it on a voice recording, but I did send it to Broadway. They're going to play it in front of everyone. There's going to be a 2700 person audience for what I just recorded from my bed. And I'm like, you're like, let's go get jewelry.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Can we just make a bracelet? Why don't we go do that?

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There was one day I remember because on the days off and it caught up with me and now I'm not doing that anymore. But I used to sing concerts on my.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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Weekends off in the movies. And Capshaw was like, are you in? Like, what are you doing?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, I'm.

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I. I want you to know, Jess, I'm. I'm trying to. Well, first of all, I'm in my 50s now, girl, so I'm taking. I'm just trying to be a little bit more mindful of the time that I have and. And resting and self care. I grew up in a time when self care was not a thing.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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Was like you. You keep going and you don't complain. And you know, I'm from the south too, so we have that.

[Camilla Luddington]

Hair care was a thing, but not self care.

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[Camilla Luddington]

And you're really got really good hair care.

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[Camilla Luddington]

It's okay. You know what? People are there to help.

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[Camilla Luddington]

So can I just. Before we get on, we. We can't get off of holiday without telling.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Well, because it puts us in just a very special place. I hope that we can.

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Camilla Luddington]

So we're. We're pretty deep into our love affair. Like we know we're no, we know that we are each other's people.

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[Camilla Luddington]

And you know, there's like they're setting things up somewhere and so we're just like chit chatting and we've every time, like they're moving the set, like all the grip stuff and everything. So we keep having to move spots. Like you're on the way here, you got to move over here. And then you go. So we find this place to sit, stand. And we're talking and we're stand. There's like a. We're in the. We're in Atlanta. And there's. We're outside and there's like an elevated back patio.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, like a balcony. But we're not on top of the balcony.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yes. Yes, you did.

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There was a tick crawling up her leg. We were both in swimsuits, miserable, and I slapped it off.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, she did. She did. And I let her. And I liked it.

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Kristin Chenoweth]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Camilla Luddington]

Okay, so we're standing at the bottom of this balcony so that our heads are, like, equal with the feet of the people standing on top of the balcony.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Can you picture that? Yeah. So we're standing there. So our little heads are right there, level with, again, the people's feet that are standing on the balcony. So they're, like, above us. And we're chit chatting. Chit chatting. And there comes. You want to take it away, Kristen?

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There was a boom operator, and he had the. You know, he had the heads, the cans on.

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Yeah.

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And he just. He just let it rip.

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Oh, my God.

[Camilla Luddington]

He farted on us.

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Our faces were right where his butt would be. Right. Oh, my God. We don't remember, but he just let it rip. And Jessica and I went like. We were like, scooby dooby doo. And we went in opposite directions. Could not even look at each other. I went to one area, she went to the other. We went in loops.

[Camilla Luddington]

I could not regulate myself.

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That's very funny. We. And to this day, I say boom operator, and we both know. We both know.

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Stop it.

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I wonder to this day, does he know that he did that?

[Camilla Luddington]

Of course he doesn't. He didn't see us. So he was like, I'm free. Let it go.

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Gross. You guys, gross out.

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But then we couldn't contain it.

[Camilla Luddington]

No, we couldn't.

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We went.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. Yeah. And one of the greatest gifts of being friends with Kristen is she really does. She doesn't text you. She takes a video of herself and sends it to you. So it's in real. It's not even like a voice memo. It's a real. The whole movie. And every once in a while over the past couple of years, she. She will just Send a video. And it all it really simply says is, we got farted on.

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We got.

[Camilla Luddington]

We were farted on and.

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Minding our own business, y'all.

[Camilla Luddington]

Just trying to make a movie. Just trying to make a movie about.

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That's what you can't even reenactment because we looked at each other when it h. When we got farted on and we ran opposite direction.

[Camilla Luddington]

Opposite directions. I know. There were so many funny people keeping.

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[Camilla Luddington]

No, if you talk about farts, I'd lose it.

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[Camilla Luddington]

So this is true.

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You have some trauma back to a.

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[Camilla Luddington]

It does. And there were so many funny people on that movie. And I remember you and I, oh, my gosh. Remember Alex Moffatt from Sarah Live?

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Why were we like, he's the funniest person.

[Camilla Luddington]

God, he was funny.

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I know.

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I love him. By the way, isn't he love him?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, he's very. He played my husband and he was. He was so funny. We had. We had a really good time. And Emma Roberts. Just love her so much. It was. But we. We became like family. We became like family. And then. So that was a holiday movie. You've done a lot of holiday movies.

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Well, can I talk about this? Before we. You got on, I said to Jessica and she is gonna tell us a story that we both apparently don't know. I said, you're in one of my favorite ever holiday movies for Christmases. I love that movie so much. And then Jessica, what did you say? I said, I have to talk to her about it. And then what did you say?

[Camilla Luddington]

Well, I said, I don't think Kristen even knows how many times I auditioned for movies that she got.

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[Camilla Luddington]

And I remember I did not even know. I remember, like, you know, I always felt like when I was auditioning, early days, I was like the poor man's Reese Witherspoon. They'd be like, you look a lot like Reese Witherspoon, but not. But like, not like as good, like, not as pretty. Not like, like, not as pretty, but like, not as funny either. But also like, I don't know, just not her, but like. But not at all like her. And so anyways, when I get the script and it's playing her sister, I fuck. I can do that. Right? That's what this poor man's Reese Witherspoon is going to be good for is. I'm Going to be able to be her sister. And so I'm like, I got this. And I throw out my best audition, whatever. And they come back to me and they're like, oh, I mean, it was a good audition, but Kristin Chenoweth got it. I was like, oh, Kristin Chenoweth.

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You would have been amazing.

[Camilla Luddington]

You're. You were better.

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I gotta tell you, Kristen, that role was for you. Because Jessica and I talk about this. You. You get the roles. You're supposed to get that. You are so funny in that movie. That I wanted to know, because I wonder this every time I watch it. Was there a lot of improv in that movie?

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It was mostly improv, my sweet. And I was so happy that Vince and Reese let us. You know, that's always when. And you know this. You both know this. That when it just happens naturally. And Vince would just go, chinowit. Just do it. He let us all do that. I do have one little story that, no, I've never told.

[Camilla Luddington]

Bring it.

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I saved it. I saved it. And I. I didn't know if this movie would come up. I swear. I swear I've never told this, but I. You know, that character has all these kids, right? And she has these twins. I've never had a child, and. And I love them, but I just. It didn't work out that way for me. And I'm having all these kids around me, and I'm holding this. This. These twins all the time. My neck was really hurting, and they would bring in and say, give you a break and let me hold one. Because I wanted to seem like a mom, right? I wanted it to look realistic. And I looked down, and I'm like, why? I hope I can tell this.

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Okay, good. I look down and I'm wet in my boob area. And I was like, what is that? And I was lactating, y'all.

[Camilla Luddington]

What?

[Holiday Ad]

And I panicked. And I went. I remember mentioning. Very quietly mentioning Therese. She goes, no, it's a real thing. It can happen. It's a real thing. I've never done it since. But I don't know if it was. I don't know what it was, but I had to put little covers. I had started lactating during that. What was that?

[Camilla Luddington]

That is insane.

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I love this story thing. It can happen.

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I'm so glad you gave this to us.

[Camilla Luddington]

I mean, I've had that happen to me when I was breastfeeding, but never.

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When I was not Well, I thought, am I pregnant? Not know it. No, I wasn't pregnant. But I guess it's a real. You know, you think about the wet.

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Yes.

[Holiday Ad]

Back in the day or whatever. But it happened to me, and I. Oh, I was so embarrassed because there was, like, these wet patches, Right?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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In that. Weird.

[Camilla Luddington]

That's crazy.

[Pets Best Ad]

But you were surrounded by kids in that movie.

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Yes, a lot. You know, I was probably at my peak, if you know what I mean. And I was. I was just loving them. I do love children. I just love them. And they were everywhere. We had this thing called the Jump Jump in that movie.

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Yes, you did the jump Jump.

[Holiday Ad]

And I would get in there on my breaks.

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Oh, you.

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Tradition. Probably everything. But I didn't care. I was just. It was fun.

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My favorite scene in the movie is when you guys go to church.

[Holiday Ad]

Oh, isn't that funny?

[Pets Best Ad]

Oh, and Vince is on stage doing, like, his. Like, Jessica hasn't seen it. She's just on the. It's on the. It's on the.

[Camilla Luddington]

No fly. I have to watch it now. I processed the pain of the rejection.

[Holiday Ad]

That's. I had to process. You know, we always want. There's always a part we want. Right? And like you said, the part.

[Camilla Luddington]

Is there one for you?

[Pets Best Ad]

Yeah, I was gonna say. Let's tell us if. What. What is the part that you did not get that you were, like, over?

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It's Hunger Games.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh.

[Holiday Ad]

I wanted to play.

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Oh, my God.

[Holiday Ad]

Oh, man, look how great. I mean, I auditioned several times for that, but I. When I went to see it and I saw. I saw Elizabeth.

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Elizabeth Banks. Yeah.

[Holiday Ad]

Thanks to it. I just went, you know what? She's so perfect. Like, you can't. But it takes a minute. You have to, like.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah.

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I gotta say, though, I can. If they ever redo it, I can see you in that role.

[Camilla Luddington]

I can honestly see you in anything.

[Pets Best Ad]

I mean. Yes, but that role in particular, with, like, the outfits and that, and, you know, she. I like. You would have killed it.

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It was so. Wasn't it a pretty movie? I mean, if you can say it's a pretty movie. But I just. I loved. I loved the books, so I was.

[Camilla Luddington]

And then Poppy's reading them right now, and she loves them. She's obsessed. She is also, by the way, speaking of you with kids, all my girls love you. You love my girls? Like you. So, I mean, so, yeah, like family. Like, completely like family. I worked with. My first movie that I ever did was with Vince Vaughn.

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Wait, I don't Know this.

[Camilla Luddington]

You. Gosh, Sam, full of surprises.

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I know.

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[Camilla Luddington]

I did a movie called the Locust. It was with Vince Vaughn, and he made me laugh. He might be one of the top three, like, to be with. Like, when you're in a room with Vince Vaughn, you are nonstop laughing. I haven't seen him in a very long time, but back then, it's true.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Like, like coke, cocola, out your nose. Like you're. You're. Like you're. Yeah. You cannot believe it. And we had a very. We had a very fun. We were like. We had a very, like, brother sister vibe, he and I.

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That. Yeah, he's one of those guys, like, in. Much like Robin Williams who. It's like, just let him go. Just let him off. I. I asked Robin one time, we were doing this movie rv, and I said, do you ever. Just because he's always on chill. Yeah. And Vince. And he goes, no, this is me. Yeah, around it. It. Actually, I don't know how you felt, Jess, but I felt, like, sharper.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, for sure.

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Oh, yeah. You gotta be on your toes around someone like that.

[Camilla Luddington]

Well, you know, they always say, if you want to get better at something, play with someone who's better than you. And. And not like, I think I'm some great comedian, but I don't know, I'm kind of funny. And being with him, you would have to like. And Paul Rudd was in it too. And Paul Rudd is also hilarious. And being with both of them was definitely. By the way, the movie was an extreme bummer. It was like the deepest, darkest drama ever about, like, incest. And yeah, it was like, not a funny movie in any way, shape or form. But off camera, we were laughing a lot. Yeah. And I remember when we used to go out and I would. Because he. Swingers had, I think, was just about to come out and. Oh my gosh, he was so handsome. Again, go back to our brother sister vibe.

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He's so tall.

[Camilla Luddington]

So tall and so handsome.

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[Camilla Luddington]

And we would go out and I remember just being very. He would use me as shield just to bounce the girls off of. The girls would be coming at him like rapid fire, just like throwing themselves at him. And I was safe. And we had such, like. I said, we were just such a good dynamic and we had so much fun. And so he would just like, instantly pretend like I was his girlfriend. They're like, arm would go around me and he'd be like, nope, nope, nope.

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Oh, my God, you're even petite compared to this. Like, he's tall.

[Camilla Luddington]

He's very. He's very, very tall.

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I would find improvising in a comedy with him really intimidating.

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I can't imagine. Like, I tried.

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You did it.

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I did do it. But there was one. I love it.

[Camilla Luddington]

She's like, I can't imagine it.

[Holiday Ad]

Why did I say that? But I will say there was one time he said, just go. It was in the bathroom. It got cut. But he just said, you're in the bathroom. And Reese comes in. And I think it was not long after the lactation.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

[Holiday Ad]

And I just riffed for about 15 minutes and he shot it all. And then you remember in the church scene that you brought up. Yeah, we were all riffing. He just. He would put the camera on anyone, any one of the character actors and would just let us play. And I remember we were all getting a little confident, a little too much. And I remember him saying, who let the dogs out? I'll never forget.

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Oh, my God, he's right.

[Camilla Luddington]

But you know what I love when you go crazy. And you in Holiday, she played Aunt Susan and you had the. You always have the most amazing characters, but you just got to be wild. And I remember at one point you were always bringing home different beaus, different men to our family gatherings. And you brought home a Santa. And you. I mean, this guy.

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[Camilla Luddington]

No, what had hit him? I mean, Kristen was on him like a pole. It was. I mean, it was like she was hanging from the rafter.

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[Camilla Luddington]

She was. It was the front of her. It was the back of her. I mean, it was commitment is what it was. It was commitment.

[Holiday Ad]

Do you know that I. I think maybe right after our table read, said table read, I had a fitting and they said, they held up this vintage play, Playboy play date and outfit, and they said, we'd like for you to wear this at. For the Easter holiday. And I squeezed myself into that. I remember. You look hot.

[Pets Best Ad]

Well, you guys both looked hot in that movie because there was like a. You were in like a. A Later. Hosen. Whatever.

[Camilla Luddington]

Later, Halloween. Yeah, yeah.

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I was in Latex Nurse. She was in Later.

[Camilla Luddington]

I was.

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Yeah, I've seen those pictures of you guys together.

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[Camilla Luddington]

We were class. We were classy, classy cats.

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I love that.

[Pets Best Ad]

I love it. And we just had Dan on because you have Bukotinsky. Yes, we did. And who adores you. Also said he gets video messages from you and you have A hot. So you have a holiday movie out right now that we've been talking about with Lindsay Lohan. What was that?

[Camilla Luddington]

It's so good. It's just. Again, you just can't be bad. Evidently, y'all.

[Holiday Ad]

Thank you.

[Camilla Luddington]

What was it like to work with Lindsay?

[Holiday Ad]

It was really fun. And I had met her once again when she was younger. I mean, she's still young, but I would say 15. Probably remember when all that craziness was surrounding her.

[Pets Best Ad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Holiday Ad]

And what was. What I was struck by is how Lindsay is. Well, obviously she's a complete professional, but, you know, much like you, Caps, you know, there's the Lindsay Lohan that we all know and adore, but then there's mom. She's a. Now I met her. She was a new mom and. And a wife. And she. We talked a lot. We didn't talk about show business a lot. We talk about. To this day, we talk about just like me and you, Caps. We talk about real life stuff. And I just am so. If it's okay for me to say. I don't even know if I should say this, but I'm so proud.

[Camilla Luddington]

Say it all.

[Holiday Ad]

I'm just proud of her and her journey.

[Pets Best Ad]

Yeah.

[Holiday Ad]

Yeah. She's amazing and obviously very fun and funny person, but very. Lots of depth there.

[Camilla Luddington]

Lots of depth, lots of experience and so much talent. I mean, listen, a parent trap was on. On a loop at my house for maybe a year or two.

[Holiday Ad]

I'm sure.

[Camilla Luddington]

I think I've seen it upwards of 45 times, but so also. Sorry, just saying it played two people.

[Pets Best Ad]

She actually talks about how she really played four is what she feels like. Because she played the two girls and then she played the two girls switching each other.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yes, that's right. That's right. That's right.

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And so she's like. I really. The experience for me was really like four girls.

[Holiday Ad]

I never even thought of that.

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I know.

[Camilla Luddington]

Wow.

[Pets Best Ad]

Super talented.

[Holiday Ad]

Well, and that's where I met the Dan. And the Dan. That's. He's loud. Like, you are my sister. He is my brother, the Dan. And he's my date for whenever my husband can't come.

[Camilla Luddington]

I love your husband, by the way. They were like he would make falling in love during holiday. And I just love her husband. He's so sweet. You guys are a perfect. You're just such a great.

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Oh, you guys were, like, dating during holiday.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, my gosh. Oh, that's so fun. And they. So. They're so. What you. I mean, what I observed and what I'm making up in my head is you two are so good at taking care of each other.

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Yes, I would.

[Camilla Luddington]

You would Just see, it was almost. You didn't. It was wordless. Sometimes they would just, like, give each other a look and it literally meant a paragraph, and the other one would pick it up and then do the thing. And they were just talking with their eyeballs.

[Holiday Ad]

Thank you for saying that. That's when we were first dating, and I was too. I was too overwhelmed with my schedule. And during that movie, he said, I don't ever want this to happen because I was actually having fun on the film. But then doing concerts every. Every weekend, it was just too much. And then I think at one point I almost crashed and burned. And he said, never again. Well, if you'll let me. Will I allow this to happen? And that was however many years ago. And one of the reasons that. One of the many reasons that I married him is because he is interested in. Yes, the music. He's my guitarist now, and we. We have a lot of great fun on the road, but he is more interested in keeping me safe and healthy because it's not as easy as it used to be. Sorry.

[Pets Best Ad]

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[Holiday Ad]

It used to be. And he's there to go, hey, everybody on this team, she's just one little person.

[Pets Best Ad]

And, you know, it's hard to say no to things, too. And so to have that person that loves you can read you like, it's, you know, listen, the team that represents you, you can say no to. But, you know, at the end of the day, they want you to be out there doing all the opportunities. So the person that loves you, being able to advocate for you and be like, actually, no. And sometimes you don't even know that you need to say no.

[Holiday Ad]

No, I get caught up in. I'm not. Let's just talk real like, okay, you're 56 now. You want to stay relevant. You want to continue to work. These are all real things as women we have. We have to hear right? And he's like, you are relevant till the day you die. If you quit tomorrow, you've given the world so much. Stop it right now. Anybody that says that to you has got to go. I've got your back. You just let your work speak for you and stop it. And he is the balance.

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I feel like standing ovation.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. No, but that's the caretaking. But that's the caretaking. And I remember. I don't know if you remember this, Kristen. So after we did this movie Together, we just became just very fast friends and like. Like family and. And we went to go see Hadestown together in New York City. And, I mean, I knew she was Kristin Chenoweth, but I was like, I mean, whatever. I've been around a lot of famous.

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People, a few famous friends.

[Camilla Luddington]

Like, going out with. Going out with the famous person in New York City is, like, no big deal. And, you know, I mean, like, they may recognize me from Grey's Anatomy when I'm walking through that theater, too. Right. They might be like, look, there's. There's Jessica Camshaw. I was pond scum. Pond scum that they stepped over. It was. I think I got, like. I got some, like, bruises on my knees from people just knocking by me. Just take her out.

[Pets Best Ad]

I would have known.

[Camilla Luddington]

Going somewhere with her is. My point is like, going with the Queen, especially. I mean, especially on Broadway. And then we saw them after the show was so amazing. And then I remember coming to see you in something, and for some reason, I'm. I don't remember, but I came to see you in a show. You did something?

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I did show on Broadway, my own concert, and I was exhausted once again. And here Jessica shows up, you know.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yes. But do you remember what happened afterwards?

[Holiday Ad]

I feel like there was something.

[Camilla Luddington]

Well, here's so along those lines. And I. Like I said, I just love her husband so much. And he and I would. We would also look at each other and sort of go, like, okay, we got her. So I come to see your show, which was just all you in a concert, and I came to see you afterwards, and you were like. I mean, larger than life on stage. Camilla, like, this voice and this presence and everything about her performance was perfect, perfect, perfect. Everything you would want. And everybody. You're looking around and the lights from the stage are on people's faces, and, like, she's reflected in their little glassy eyeballs, and they're all just adoring and clapping and just living their best life there. And I'm lucky enough to go see her afterwards. Camilla laughs at me because I always go see people afterwards.

[Pets Best Ad]

That's what she does. Kristen. They let her see anyone. Kristen. They escort me out before even the end of anything. I have to leave early.

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Are you that person?

[Pets Best Ad]

I'm that person where they're like, we need you to open the exit door for everyone else and hold it. And Jessica goes, and Taylor's waiting for her or whoever is waiting for her.

[Camilla Luddington]

So I go back and I see Kristen, and Josh is in the room, and I Looked at you, because there you were in real life. And I said, you are magnificent. You are incredible. That was the most amazing show. You need to take a break.

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She did. I remember now, and I remember being.

[Camilla Luddington]

Like, why am I saying this to her? Like, I shouldn't be saying this to her. What am I doing? Like, who am I to come in and be like, you should be taking a break? But there was something.

[Pets Best Ad]

Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

Where I was like, you do. You know, you are now so fully committed, and you burn the candle and you are setting yourself on fire to keep everybody else warm. And there's a moment when the people who do know you have that. That. That moment of recognition where you just go, okay, hold on. Give my girl a break. My girl needs to sit down and, like, have a cheeseburger and watch some television.

[Holiday Ad]

You know, I actually do remember this now, and I think it was. It was not long after we did that movie. Yeah, it's. It's. It's a thing. You know, we all have our. What do you call it? Our act, our thing, our Achilles heel. My addiction is work, and so I have to constantly. I'm. I'm there now. I'm actually there right now. It's been 41 days, and I am there now. And now I know, like, I don't want to. I want to enjoy the. The. The family and the. And being together with my people. And if you're always tired and you're coming in, you know, exhausted and it's not worth it, and I have that problem saying no, that is my biggest. I'm sure a lot of women understand that. But, yeah, probably even on this podcast right here, looking at y'all, you probably understand. It's like, oh, no, I can do it all. I'm strong. I'm tough. I can do it all. I should be able to do it all. But the truth is, you just. You can't continue to go at 100 miles an hour.

[Camilla Luddington]

No.

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Camilla Luddington]

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I want to know then, Kristen, like when you do your self care, when you do have that moment where you're like, I'm going to take care of myself, what is it that you do? What do you like to do when you're not working? How do you. Yeah. How do you take care of yourself?

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It's been a self discovery part for me because I never would allow myself breaks. So in the past few years I've learned to do that and some of the things I love to do, they're. They're very silly. I Like to bedazzle. I'm pretty good at it.

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No, I love that. I would love that too.

[Holiday Ad]

Yep. It's very intricate and I don't use a machine. I do it by hand each stone. I love that. Obviously I love to read. I mean just to sit down with a really good book and to have a 30 minutes of it of your alone time to do it. I am a spa girl. Who isn't? I love that. I like going to Cabo. I like that. I like music. Music. Just putting on music and. Or anything on anything to binge watch. But I'm like a lot of the rest of the world and you've heard it a million times. I love true crime. I love true love.

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True crime. Jessica, I don't know if you like true crime because like honestly, Kristen, just the sound of Forensic Files coming on my tv. I'm like. It's like. It calms me same.

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I watched JonBenet.

[Holiday Ad]

I now think the parents did not. I don't think the family did it at all.

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I'm glad we're talking about this. I don't think they did either. But social media is back in it and they are. They have some questions because there were.

[Camilla Luddington]

No footprints going to the and from the house. This is all I know. That's my only fact.

[Holiday Ad]

But remember, the police botched it. If you saw Lou Smith, which is the detective that was hired to did the case, if you saw his back case, you would understand that this poor. And you know, every time it comes up in this port, it's the sun did it and Burke's on Dateline.

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[Holiday Ad]

You know, I just feel bad for that family.

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Also I don't know if you're into it if you've watched the Menendez monsters in fully in.

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I can't get close. I'm in, Kristen.

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I am in. What do you think? Should they be released? They did.

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Get them out of there, Kristen. Get them out.

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Why do you think this? Why do you think it. I just want to talk.

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I drove by it myself last time I was there.

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It's dead.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh my.

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It's all black.

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Kristen, it was probably me and you outside it parked. We probably have a picture somewhere of us just like looking from our cars. There was construction. Oh, you went. I. I had no shame. It was. It was like 2pm People were out taking pictures. There was a little construction going on when I was there. I don't know. But yeah, full construction. Yeah, yeah, construction.

[Camilla Luddington]

Oh, my goodness. You, too? Were you sleuthing or were you just like. You just wanted to see it?

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Yeah.

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I thought, I just need to see the house.

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I need to see it. I need to make some decisions for myself as to how I felt again.

[Camilla Luddington]

From the car outside.

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It's sort of like my own. It's like my own personal investigation happened. And I sat there and I thought, should they. Should they be let out?

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What do you think they shot their parents? I mean, it's horrible, right?

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It's horrible. But I think they paid for their crime. They've gone to jail for a really long time. And I think that the abuse was so heinous that I don't think they're a threat to society. And I think they've paid their dues either.

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I don't think, Camilla, that they'll get out and do anything bad or naughty. I just think I don't want it to be a message to others. Like, hey, you get abused, you want to blow your parents away, you might get out one day, too. But do I think that they've been in there for. I think it was a different time. I remember it was O.J.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. By the way, that's what I've driven by is that apartment.

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[Camilla Luddington]

No, in Brentwood. Her.

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You driven by the house?

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, Nicole Brown Simpson's. It was a little, like, duplexy condo thing. Like, it was like five minutes away from where I lived in high school. And it was. I mean, the entire. Listen, my high school graduation, I think it was the day that they were. They were following the Bronco.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. There was like, you know, televised the.

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I can't imagine living in LA when that was happening.

[Camilla Luddington]

And it was five minutes from my house. So, yes, we drove by, but for a long time, it was really like the road was closed and then. And that house didn't get. It didn't get knocked down. That's still there. Someone lives there.

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Well, it's crazy that someone clearly lives in the Menendez house. Oh, well, I mean, it's still there.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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You know what? This is completely off subject, but this is what I asked my Brother. Because I told him, I drove by there, I said, would you ever live in a house that you knew a murder had taken place in? And he was like, I don't care how many ghosts are in there. It's a. It's a six bedroom, six bath.

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The only one that I got really into was in the beginning, and actually it was podcast, which was cereal.

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Did you ever listen to that? The early one?

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Yeah.

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Kristen, do you know we're going to tell you, we, Jessica and I are kind of part of a true crime documentary that's out right now. You don't know. I'm going to let Jessica tell you it, because I don't even know if I want to promote it, to be honest. But we are part of something. And it's. Jess, you got to drop her the deets.

[Camilla Luddington]

We talked to Dan Bukotinsky about it as well, because I don't know if you know this about him, but we met him. Well, I met him a couple times with his husband, with Don and all that. But then he came to Grey's as a writer, and he was on the writing staff with a woman named Elizabeth Finch, who there's recently been a documentary about, who basically fabricated part of her life, including surviving cancer. Surviving just a lot of stuff. But she completely lied about all of it and was in, like, real relationship and friendship the way that we all are when we're on sets and sitting by chairs.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Years.

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[Camilla Luddington]

It's good.

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We needed your trust. She needed your trust first.

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I've got. You got my trust. But, like, I've seen the commercials about the Finch girl. Yeah, that classic narcissism. Like, I'm not.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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Oh, well, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I have opinions. I'm not going to say it on the pod, but we will all grab wine and we will. We will discuss what I think.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Showed teeny, tiny little musical. You did.

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[Camilla Luddington]

You know what? It's a long time. We Came out a long time ago.

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Off Broadway.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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There was a girl. I can't say her name because she ended up. Did she get to go to prison? But she. She started out telling me that she had. She. She would come to the show every night, and she would sit in the same seat or near. Around, you know, the same area. And she would come to the state shore, and I got to know her because I would see her every night. And then she would start leaving. She would start leaving me small gifts, and I would say, oh, my gosh, thank you, X. Thank you so much for the gift. And then it started becoming like a Louis Vuitton purse. And I was like. I said, oh, I can't accept that. But inside I wanted to so bad, obviously. And then she. She said, no, I want you to have it. And. And then the next week, it'd be like a Valentino shawl.

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Possibly as I'm taking it from her hands.

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And it got to where she became in my. In my group, you know, she was there every night. And then she got herself backstage. I interviewed everybody. And then she loaded on me that she had liver cancer and that she didn't have long to live. Now, a lot of people in our industry have had this happen to them, but I was so sad for her, and how can I help and what can I do? And I did a benefit concert for her to help her raise money for her. For her. Come to find out, she wasn't sick at all. And she had done this to me, I think Kirsten Dunst and the actress Cherry Jones, and she was a professional, I guess, grifter, like, yeah, all this stuff. And I think this Finch girl might fall. There's something that happens. They get in with your. That they're ill, and then they get you in that way. And of course, who. And I'm imagining that you all caps and you felt bad, like.

[Camilla Luddington]

Well, that's what we said, was that you were never. It was a perfect crime. Right? Because you're never going to say to someone, never.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Is that true that you. That this awful thing happened. You're never gonna do that. Never.

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That's wild that you did a concert. You know what's scary about this is the more we talk about this, the more people have experiences with this. You think it's so crazy that, like, this is so incredibly rare. And Then you realize Dan had. Knew somebody else had done this, too. What? Yes.

[Camilla Luddington]

He and Don.

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Yes.

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You know, it is very common, and I think they must want to look for a way in. And what I want to see to them is just be yourselves. And by the way, you don't. It's not. You don't. We're going to get to know who we're going to get to know, and it's going to happen the way. Organically, or it might not just happen. It's just we're in the public eye, and I don't even know why I'm trying to say. I felt so bad for her, and then I got so duped, and then now what? Unfortunately, it has done. And I'm sure. You know what I mean, where I'm going with this. Anytime someone says to me, like, they'll meet me backstage or after a premiere or something, and they'll say, you know, I, too, I have a thing called Meniere's disease. It doesn't matter. Caps knows. It's like Vertigo.

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I know what that is because I have tinnitus.

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I'm doing good.

[Camilla Luddington]

We had it.

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We actually had a whole episode on this. But I know that that is. That can be part of it. And I. I. Yes, I know all about that. But anyway, I will let you continue your story. But I do know what that is.

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Hey, that. You know, you don't have to have my disease or you don't have to. That's not a way in. That should never be a way.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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Anybody? I didn't, you know, tinnitus. I. That comes with Meniere's, so I'm sorry that you have that.

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That's okay. I know. That's okay. You know what? I've.

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I.

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You. It becomes normal, becomes part of your life.

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It does.

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We can't let you go without talking about Wicked.

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Of course. I mean, we must, because we have to.

[Camilla Luddington]

We must because we have to. Because you're the original, because you originated this glorious character and you gave so much to it.

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And.

[Camilla Luddington]

And you are like, you're an impossible standard to meet, but you are. You set Glinda as this incredible standard. And somehow, as we're seeing this now in movie theaters, which is so incredible, and I love those two performers. I love the movie so much. The music is. I mean, just gonna sit. I'm gonna go against. I'm gonna swim against the grain here. When I went to go see the movie, I was like, I know this music. Like, it's going to Be great, I'm sure. But, like, I know it, like, it's not going to, it's not going to be, you know, it's not going to be like that first time that I heard it and whatever, it's going to be fine. I go see the movie. I loved it.

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[Camilla Luddington]

But I still was like, I know, I know the music. I have not stopped singing the music. The girls have been like, can you put that on again? Can we do Defying Gravity again? Can we do Popular again? And now I'm like, yes, we can. We can do it on a loop. Let's just keep doing it.

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And I'm so proud of you, Ariana. I'm so proud of you. I mean, what could I say? She was wonderful. She added. She paid homage to me. But she did her own thing, just like Cynthia did with Adina. And recently, Adina and I were at the LA premiere, and we both. We were on the red carpet. We just looked at each other and went, wow. You know?

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You think maybe something that you'll be in once maybe will land on the earth and maybe someone will remember it, but never did. I think I would be alive to see it. And, you know, it's a. It's. I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful for it. I'm grateful it was in the hands of John Chu, that it was in the hands of Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo, who didn't just not disappoint. But. And I. Believe me, I'm not getting paid. I'm. I only speak from the. From my heart. And I was so. Oh, my gosh. So proud of them. And it was finally a release of. I did.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Bye. When you talk about the the origin story and being there with Adina and creating these parts, I think it's probably too simple to ask if it was hard. But when you were talking, I felt from you that there's story there, like, putting it together wasn't because we just see the final product. We just see the. Oh, I mean, like, we see the. We see the grandness and the beauty and all that. But, like, when you were first doing it and you were in rehearsals, was it a. Was it hard?

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We had no. There was no movie. There was a book, but the book was nothing like the musical. And I remember for a long time, it felt like. I mean, we were together, but she was in her corner and I was in mine. We were trying to figure out our own parts, and then we would come together, and I just want to brag on her for a second. She really, you know, I had to be a lot of the comedic relief in that. And then at the end, Glenda grows, and there's a lot of depth there. But Adina, you know, there's. There's something that we're hearing over and over right now, and it's the battle cry. I want to make sure everybody knows how that was born, because she probably wouldn't say it, but it was. We've all heard it a million times.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah.

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But I remember the day in rehearsal, Dino just been given the chance to be green for a second for the first time, and she was doing Define Gravity. And I remember at the end, it's not written. Ah, it's not written. I just remember going, let me down. And I. I want it to be known that, you know, there's things I bore, the hair flip, the dialogue. There's things I did. But that's us together. And that's, you know, that was us being given free reign. And was it always easy? No, we had no. We had no. We didn't know what we're doing. We opened it in San Francisco. And I remember after coming down in the Bubble and then Defying Gravity, I went to her intermission and I said, it ain't gonna matter what the critics say because the people love it. And she was. She was. Oh, my God. Worried about, like, am I sounding good? Am I doing good? She was amazing all the time, by the way.

[Camilla Luddington]

Pause right there. Right. Someone who we all know as magnificent was wondering if she was okay. Like, we all have self doubt. We all doubt ourselves.

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[Camilla Luddington]

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[Camilla Luddington]

But what's really important. So this, this podcast was born of our friendship and our connection on, you know, a show that, like you said, managed. Managed to grab people and give them comfort. And we, we have a group of people that has grown since we started, and we call them the crew, and it's the call it crew. And they write in and they call in and they do so with such bravery and such vulnerability. And many times we talk about how loneliness is a real epidemic. And it's been understood, stated and articulated very well that this is happening, that there are people who are lonely and when people are lonely, what do they do? And lots of times they doubt themselves and they write in with all these different things. But it's a real thread that's through many of them, which is like, how do I know if I'm on the right path? How do I know when to start my family? How do I know about this friend that doesn't feel right. But I don't know. I really love them and I can't imagine not having them. But this doubt, doubt, doubt. And I think it's always so important to remember that these people that you think are larger than life and that have no worries in the world or just came upon this thing and magically opened up their mouths and had this ah, that it's hard won and that you doubt yourself and you think it's not right and you're sometimes not brave enough to sing at the loudest and sometimes you're not even brave enough to sing it at all, but that these are the moments that make us human and connect us. And so you two, having borne witness to that struggle and that definition of Self and character is so important.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like, oh, I'm gonna hear it later, right after. I don't even want to do another rendition of Run Run.

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Well, it's coming. I gotta practice it. I don't know what it is, Kristen, but it's gonna be pretty amazing.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's gonna be pretty amazing.

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I think that we should encourage all women, especially women, to find their own battle cry, actually, because, my gosh, isn't life hard enough? And. And to have, like, you two who are good friends. I'd love to see it. Women supporting women, and that. It's. That there's room for everybody at the top. All of this is true. When I was younger. I'll just tell you, when I was younger, and boy, can I talk. But when I was younger, it was not. It was, you gotta, you gotta. It's all. You're on. You're. Oh, yeah, you're on your own. And now with this women power thing, I'm thinking, thank goodness, because this has always felt natural to me. Instead of pitting women, it would be easy. It would have been easy, I think, for Adina and I to have been pitted against each other. And I think. And whenever that might have crept in, we Both went. We have a job to do, and we have these goals to create. But now it's even. Like, you look at Ariana and Cynthia holding each other's hand.

[Camilla Luddington]

I know. So dear.

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Same girl. Same. We're here for it.

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I know. I'm here for the good. The good. The. I mean, it's just. It's very inspiring, and I love that there's just the freedom to share it, you know, to share the stories.

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Yeah.

[Camilla Luddington]

And it was because it was nighttime and all the lights were off, but she still sent me a video instead of a voice note. I don't even.

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I don't care how dark it is. Kristen. Okay.

[Camilla Luddington]

I know. I just love you.

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[Camilla Luddington]

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That was literally. I'm not even kidding when I say that was one of my favorite interviews we've ever done. I'm obsessed. It's not even funny. Like, I'm like. I loved her before she came on, but now I'm like, next level.

[Camilla Luddington]

By the way, I'm gonna give you her number. So I'm not. She's not joking.

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I'm not kidding.

[Camilla Luddington]

She's amazing. But also. Can I just say something? I felt like you were super on, too. Like, you had great questions and great connection points.

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[Camilla Luddington]

Do you slur when you said professional?

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I mean, I've been drinking. I've been drinking. I've been drinking. Maybe that's why. Battle cry. I've been drinking.

[Camilla Luddington]

It's because I'm a professional.

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[Camilla Luddington]

While you hold your microphone.

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No, I. I've been. I held this so tight. I can't believe Chris and I were both at the Menendez House.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty funny. That's pretty funny.

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Literally, I mean, it sounds so cheesy. And I'm going to do the cheesy version of this wrap up anyway. It was literally magical.

[Camilla Luddington]

Yeah. Yeah. She is. She really is. I don't know what to tell you.

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And I love what she said about her husband.

[Camilla Luddington]

Like, he's the best.

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The knowing of giving yourself a break. Because that's hard. It's hard to. And I. The pressures that she talks about.

[Camilla Luddington]

And they really give themselves to each other. I mean, at least from where I've sat, like, they really, like, have put each other in each other's care. And he is. He's a guitarist. You know, he's on. So, I mean, so they also figured out how to do what they love together. That's a challenge. And she's no joke. She is on the road all the time. And really, she wanted to be one of our first guests. And she was testing out a musical and doing a run in Boston. And I mean, truly, there was not. There wasn't a minute in her schedule. She didn't have a free hour.

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I'm so grateful. I would take 10 minutes with her, but I also need her to rest. Anyway, I loved it. Loved every second.

[Camilla Luddington]

Me, too. Me, too. Okay, well, I don't. I mean, I'm not sure how. I mean, we're gonna maybe. But how do you top that? I think we should just stop.

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And we're just gonna call it. And I have to go lay down. And I had to process my fangirling.

[Camilla Luddington]

I know, I know. Well, I'm gonna give. I'm gonna send you her number, and then. And then we're gonna have a group chat about that.

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Yes. I love that. Let's call it, Jess.

[Camilla Luddington]

Let's call it the end of the episode.

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