Call It with Selling Sunset’s Sandra Vergara

Summary

Podcast Summary: Call It What It Is

Episode: "Call It with Selling Sunset’s Sandra Vergara"
Host: Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington
Guest: Sandra Vergara (Selling Sunset)
Date: November 11, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

This lively episode dives deep into Sandra Vergara’s experiences joining Selling Sunset as a new cast member—her first-ever reality TV stint. With hosts Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington, Sandra discusses adjusting to the intense reality show environment, navigating drama with costars (especially Chrishell), friendship dynamics, the editing process, and her personal lessons in staying grounded amid chaos. The conversation provides an inside look at the realities of reality TV, the emotional highs and lows, and the importance of resilience and authenticity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sandra’s Journey to Selling Sunset (03:41–07:22)

• Background: Sandra reveals coming off a tough breakup when the opportunity for Selling Sunset arose. She originally met with Netflix for live events, but got directed to Done and Done, the show’s production company.
  • Quote: “I chose to do it because I needed to get out of, like, the emotion. Emotional bottom that I was in.” (07:01, Sandra Vergara)
• Getting Her Real Estate License: Sandra was encouraged by friends and family in real estate, got cast on the show, and obtained her license right after filming.

2. The Reality of Reality TV Production (08:45–09:29)

• Producer Influence: Sandra explains how producers “feed you” suggestions and try to stir the pot for drama.
  • Quote: “They tell you things you should ask when you’re new... but everything was like, feed you. They feed you. But I caught it pretty quick.” (08:49, Sandra Vergara)
• Editing Realities: Sandra notes many logical or heartfelt scenes don’t make the cut, so “whatever they edited you as, that’s who you’ll be—it's not a documentary, it’s a TV show.” (09:32, Sandra Vergara)

3. Navigating Conflict and Accusations: The Chrishell Drama (10:36–18:09)

• Conflict with Chrishell: Chrishell labeled Sandra as a “fake realtor” and repeated a theft rumor about her—Sandra denies ever having lunch alone with Chrishell or wronging her.
  • Quote: “She has all the right to not like me, but, like, say the reasons. Don’t make up all these things.” (11:49, Sandra Vergara)
• Betrayal in Friendships: The hosts and Sandra examine Chrishell’s fallout with Emma, whom she exposed negatively on reality TV.
  • Quote: “If she’s your best friend, you don’t expose her on a reality TV show.” (13:07, Sandra Vergara)
• Reunion Dynamics: Sandra shares that Chrishell posted damaging content right before the reunion, probably as “damage control.” (13:41, Sandra Vergara)
• Aftermath and Sides: Sandra highlights that Emma took the high road, refusing to engage on social media. The cast’s friendship lines have shifted, with Chrishell largely isolated.

4. Editing, Public Perception, and the ‘Villain Edit’ (19:01–24:04, 30:57–31:43)

• Manipulative Editing: Sandra affirms that editing is heavy-handed, sometimes flipping the story or removing important context, especially to craft a “villain” each season.
• Social Media Impact: Sandra receives both criticism and adoration online, sometimes compared (humorously) to Sophia Vergara, and admits she finds some comments “hilarious.”
  • Quote: “I love answering comments. I’m a comedian so I take the piss at some of them. It’s hilarious...” (23:23, Sandra Vergara)
• Villain Roles: The hosts discuss whether Chrishell got the “villain edit” this season, with Sandra suggesting the storylines are constructed but also that Chrishell’s behavior played a role.

5. High-Drama Scenes and Aftermath (16:32–29:09)

• Friendsgiving and Personal Attacks: They recap the infamous Friendsgiving argument and “drug allegations,” noting that deeply personal jabs (like comments about Chrishell’s parents) are what cross the line and shift the focus.
  • Quote: “Everything would have been great had she not said that last part...Nicole, you could have not just said that and she would have won.” (17:47, Sandra Vergara)
• Consequences: Nicole was fired, but Sandra points out it was likely an “accumulation of certain things”—not a single incident.
• Processing the Chaos: Sandra recounts panic attacks and moments she considered quitting but ultimately persevered.

6. On Staying Grounded and Handling Reality TV Stress (32:02–54:35)

• Spiritual Tools: Sandra credits meditation, Kabbalah, and helping others for staying sane and calm, especially counseling others as a sobriety counselor.
  • Quote: “When you’re of service to somebody else, everything gets better because you’re not in your head...that’s when you actually get peace and serenity.” (50:57, Sandra Vergara)
• Not Taking it Personally: She advises future reality stars to “take zero things personal” and to expect the unexpected.
• Avoiding Excess: Sandra doesn’t drink on set, stays mindful of what she says, and trusts a select few cast members (Mary, Alana, Brie) to keep confidences.

7. Fun Behind-the-Scenes Nuggets (47:40–48:54)

• Fashion: All the cast’s outfits are their own—including the parade of Birkins.
• Glam Squad: Sandra does her own makeup, drawing on her background as a makeup artist, but others use personal glam teams for “talking head” interviews.

8. What the Show Leaves Out (43:00–54:22)

• Pot-Stirring Myth: Sandra denies stirring the pot, saying the drama was “ready made” before she arrived, but those scenes got trimmed to seem otherwise.
• Misconceptions: She refutes rumors about “keying” a car and shares that much of her real self—especially her humor—wasn’t shown.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Sandra on Producer Tactics:
  “They want naughty. But, yeah, I had the most amazing, like, real estate scenes and, like, one on one, like, logical conversations that did not make the cut.” (09:17, Sandra Vergara)

• On Friendship Fallout:
  “Emma has...said nothing bad about her [Chrishell] to the media. Nothing on social media. So she, it’s like a one-sided fight.” (14:09, Sandra Vergara)

• On Reality TV’s Emotional Toll:
  “I had a panic attack once. Malibu. That scene when she started saying...Out of nowhere. And the producer set me up, of course.” (32:13, Sandra Vergara)

• On Handling Drama:
  “You have to let it go. Because if you’re controlling it, then you’re going to be all stiff and not say anything, and they’re going to be like, ‘Get out of this show.’” (33:43, Sandra Vergara)

• On Staying Balanced:
  “I practice Kabbalah. I meditate, I pray, I help other people. Thank god I went hard on Kabbalah before doing this...It teaches you how to react in a non-reactive way.” (51:41–51:53, Sandra Vergara)

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 03:41 | Sandra’s arrival to Selling Sunset | | 08:45 | Producer manipulation and editing discussion | | 10:36 | Chrishell drama, accusations, and friendship rifts | | 13:32 | Chrishell/Emma pre-reunion social media | | 16:32 | Friendsgiving incident and “mean girl” moments | | 17:47 | The impact of personal attacks | | 23:23 | Sandra on social media reactions | | 30:57 | ‘Villain edit’ and reality TV manipulation | | 32:02 | Sandra on emotional aftermath and panic attacks | | 33:43 | Advice for reality TV resilience | | 47:40 | Who brings what to the wardrobe | | 50:52 | Sandra’s spirituality and counseling | | 53:46 | Life lessons from reality TV |

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Conclusion & Lessons Learned

Sandra closes by reflecting on the unpredictability and emotional intensity of the show:

• Friendships are complex: “Some people are meant to be friends, and that's okay...there has to be some form where there's harmony, but...some differences are irreconcilable.” (53:46, Sandra Vergara)
• Be prepared for anything: Reality TV is full of surprises—“Anything. You’re at a dinner with these people and the shoe drops and then...all hell breaks loose.” (54:23, Sandra Vergara)

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Tone & Language

The episode is candid, witty, and warm—with honesty about the reality TV experience, a strong emphasis on resilience and self-care, and lots of humor and camaraderie between the hosts and guest. Sandra’s openness about her spirituality, emotional journey, and “realness” marks her as genuine and grounded amidst the chaos.

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For fans and newcomers alike, this episode offers a behind-the-curtain look at what it’s really like to join a reality TV juggernaut, highlighting both the messy drama and the importance of keeping a strong sense of self.

Transcript

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Well, hello, hello, hello, hello caller crew. And welcome to another episode of Call it what it is with our very special guest, Sandra. Sandra Vergara from selling Sunset. Hot off.

[Camille Ludington]

On a scale of 1 to 10, Camilla, how excited are you?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm 25. Are you kidding me?

[Sandra Vergara]

That's amazing. Well, guess what? Can you believe this? This is crazy. Camilla and I share the same manager. We have the same manager.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Tracy.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yes, Tracy. Shout out to Tracy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Shout out to Tracy. It was just almost annoying because I feel like, why hasn't she given us dinner with three of us together?

[Sandra Vergara]

I know. And I told her yesterday and she was like, you're going to see Camilla. No way. No way. Oh my God. No way. And I'm like, she's so excited. She's great. We love Trace. Tracy. You're such a great manager. We love.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She's incredible. I can't believe she hasn't had dinner the three of us. So I can really dig in.

[Sandra Vergara]

Well, we better follow lounge at Tracy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Tracy is organized. I'm so excited. This season of selling Sunset was your first reality show that you've ever been on, ever. Do you have regrets?

[Sandra Vergara]

Not yet. Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, good for you because it's still going.

[Camille Ludington]

You're still filming.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, we're done.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, they're done.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, for the season.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, they're done for the season. And the reunion just aired.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So I binged it quickly before I got here to get all the information. And of course I came. It's funny because we get prep before we do an episode. Right. And we. We kind of like Jessica. Did I not have a new list of questions last?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, if she took it, that's why.

[Sandra Vergara]

I wanted to know what level.

[Jessica Capshaw]

From all of it. From all of it.

[Camille Ludington]

She had follow up questions.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I had follow up.

[Sandra Vergara]

That was eight hours.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What?

[Sandra Vergara]

That reunion lasted eight hours.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, so I have a question about the reunion. We know.

[Sandra Vergara]

Should we start like before the reunion or like you want to go. No, no.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I just have a. I need to know the timeline. So we know that this season filmed a long time ago because you guys are having friends giving at some point.

[Camille Ludington]

I know.

[Sandra Vergara]

You know, we finished in March.

[Jessica Capshaw]

When did the reunion happen?

[Sandra Vergara]

August.

[Jessica Capshaw]

August. Okay. So this is very interesting to me because now the show's out, and I feel like if the reunion happened now, it might go down a little differently, only worse. You think so?

[Sandra Vergara]

I think so. Because if. Well, why differently?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, I'm gonna. Can I dive? I'm just. I'm just gonna dive in. Okay. I'm gonna give you an example, and I want to know your opinions on a bunch of stuff. Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

Of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Because your first reality show, by the way, I can't believe your first reality show is selling Sunset. Because this is. This season was Ro. Know.

[Sandra Vergara]

But my first entertainment journalist job was, like, People magazine, West coast correspondent. I get really, like, big first.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Wow.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That is big. You're interviewing everybody.

[Sandra Vergara]

I know. I interviewed everybody. Like, my first interview ever was Shania Twain and all that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, my God, that's.

[Camille Ludington]

Wow.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Were you nervous the first day shooting Selling Sunset?

[Sandra Vergara]

You know what? A little bit, but not, like, a lot. So I was going through a really hard breakup, like, by heart. I mean, my heart was shattered. So I meant to meet Netflix because I wanted to do. They are. They said you'd be great for their live events. And so I met with them, coincidentally, at the time of the breakup, I had some friends and family that are in real estate saying, you need to get into real estate. Like, it's, like, so good for you. And I was just, you know, so coincidentally, I meet with Netflix, and then they say, we want you to meet with Done and Done, which is the production company for Selling Sunset. And I'm like, that's crazy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

So when I met with them and they're like, oh, my God, like, you would be perfect. And I'm like, yeah, I was going to start the process of getting my license. Okay. So I was like, okay, I guess I'm doing it. Yeah, I'm doing this on Selling Sunset. So it was such a challenge. So I chose to do it because I needed to get out of, like, the emotion. Emotional bottom that I was in.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So it was a good distraction and a good, like. Like, right turn from where you were at.

[Sandra Vergara]

Exactly.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Did you have to meet the twins first?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yes, of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

And he was lovely. He wasn't.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Who did you meet first? Jason.

[Sandra Vergara]

Jason. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

I met with him, and he's like, yeah, you're great if you know why we did they. Here's what happens, right, guys? The way they did it. They way. The way I see it, like, that show. There's a big competition in that show. Yeah, By. By big, I mean women.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

So they see me, somebody fresh, new, who wants to learn. So they thought, okay, this is going to freshen up the Nicole drama, add some, like, lightness to the situation. And I also did some counseling and stuff, so, like, she can mediate and, like, you know, be the voice of reason. So it wasn't like. It was. It was more like, it's cool that they didn't. That they gave me an opportunity because of. They saw my potential and I got my license right after we started, we finished filming. But also because that was already so maddening. And, yes, there's so much, like, ego in that moment. So I come in and, like, you know, the producers, like, they create, like, they create sort of, like, scenarios scenes, right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like, so it's. You're like, you're gonna meet for lunch here. We want you to talk about this.

[Sandra Vergara]

But they also. They also, like, see your pots. Like, they, like, tell you things that you should ask when you're new and, like, all that. But everything was like, feed you. They feed you. But then I caught it pretty quick, and I'm like. But I had beautiful.

[Camille Ludington]

Is the feeding. Is the feeding with the purpose of getting you to stir the pot?

[Sandra Vergara]

Like, to start for the most part or like, to get trouble? Yeah, for the most part. That's what they want.

[Camille Ludington]

Naughty. Yeah, naughty.

[Sandra Vergara]

They want naughty. They won. Naughty. But, yeah, I had the most amazing, like, real estate scenes and, like, one on one, like, logical conversations that did not make the cut.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah. Well, whatever.

[Sandra Vergara]

So you're screwed. Like, when you see it, you're like, all right, like, whatever they edited, you ask, that's who you'll be, doesn't it? It's not. I want people to know. It's not a documentary. It's a TV show.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, but that.

[Camille Ludington]

But that goes back to what Camila asked, I think is such a good question, which is that what, you were not nervous, you said when you started. But that would make me nervous. It would make me nervous to think they were going to cut together. Whatever they.

[Sandra Vergara]

But I never thought about that until I didn't think that. No.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Will it go. Will you go into next season?

[Sandra Vergara]

I never watch tv. Never in my life.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Did you binge the show before you got on, though?

[Sandra Vergara]

No. At first, no. Because I wanted to have my own Opinions of it. Oh, and then after a few episodes, I watched from five to nine to eight.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You're like, do you wish you had. Yes, I want to know that.

[Sandra Vergara]

Did I wish to have watched it?

[Camille Ludington]

Did you wish you had watched it before you started?

[Sandra Vergara]

No. No. Because I watched it, like, promptly after. Okay.

[Camille Ludington]

We started. Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. So I. Let's dig in, because.

[Sandra Vergara]

Dig, baby, dig.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, so Chris Shaw's getting a lot of this season. And this is why I do think the reunion would have been a little bit different, because people are saying that she is the mean girl of the season and she is the bully of the season. And very early on when you came on, she made an accusation or repeated an accusation about you, which she backtracked on part 80.

[Camille Ludington]

And.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, so she backtracked after the show aired. Right. I have to tell. I'm gonna come with my own opinions on this. I thought it was a little like, she's. The whole season, she's been very frustrated with people repeating rumors that were not true. And I thought it was kind of interesting that she repeated. Repeated something that wasn't from a person.

[Sandra Vergara]

Who stole from her. And for what? What did I ever do to her? Nothing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I thought it was bizarre. I also thought it was weird the showed you her phone and first she's.

[Sandra Vergara]

Saying, I have nothing against you. I'd be nothing but nice. She also said in an article that she took me to lunch. I've never had lunch with that lady ever.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So ever crazy.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like, I never had lunch with her. The only seat I had with her one on one, was the producers for the show, and it was dinner at the Fairmont.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's so weird.

[Sandra Vergara]

So I don't know why she, you know, she has all the right to not like me, but, like, say the reasons. Don't, like, make up all these things. And then afterwards, she called me a fake realtor.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Recently, she's like, okay, so the car thing, it's not. No longer viable.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

Now it's like, what else? And a scene that happened between. Between us when that day. That was so crazy. She also threatened me, and that didn't make the show. But she's like, yeah. And I'm like, do you have anything else you want to talk about? And she's like, maybe I'll save that. And so I like, horrified, telling Amanda and Mary, because they're my friends, what happened? Like, you know, these lady. What's going on?

[Jessica Capshaw]

So that's what I think. That's a little. I think this is why. This is this season's confusing to me because I really like Rochelle. When she was first on the show. I really like the first few seasons with her. And then I do feel like she's sort of acting or maneuvering.

[Sandra Vergara]

Camilla. Forget about me. What she's done to her own friend Emma. Are you kidding me?

[Jessica Capshaw]

So for those that don't know Emma and CR and, and Chris Shell all have been best friends for a few seasons now. Very, very tight. And now Emma has a boyfriend that Chrishell is not a fan of. Clearly.

[Sandra Vergara]

Listen, and that's okay that there's nothing wrong with that. But if she's your best friend, you don't expose her on a reality TV show.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So now. So what Chrishell. Wait, what she do was take his Instagram or Tick tock posts.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And then she put them up on.

[Sandra Vergara]

Her own right before the reunion.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, did she? Of course the time.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's what Emma told me.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, so right before the reunion she put them up.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's what Emma said. Calculation.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And what do you think the intention there was? Because she claims like I wasn't, I wasn't trying to hurt, you know, the.

[Sandra Vergara]

Intentions was clear to me. It's that she knew that the reunion wasn't going to be a good look for her.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh.

[Sandra Vergara]

By how she, you know, damage control. Bullied her friend.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

And so she pre. Like she used the same, you know, like the cards that work for her and right before the reunion to have some sort of like damage control. I believe so.

[Camille Ludington]

Wow.

[Sandra Vergara]

But Emma is over it. Like she. Emma has. I'm friends with her.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

She said nothing bad about her to the media. Nothing on social media. So she, it's like a one fight.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like one sided fight.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. And she's like, just stop.

[Camille Ludington]

Or one sided fight.

[Sandra Vergara]

All Emma is like, why doesn't. All she says is like, why doesn't she just stop?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like she, she's done nothing to her.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Where do they stand in this moment today? Because we saw then from August0 that's over. Do you think Chrishell will be back next season?

[Sandra Vergara]

I have no clue.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do you think she should be back?

[Sandra Vergara]

I have no clue. Like literally, I have no.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do you feel like she should be back?

[Sandra Vergara]

I don't know how because. Well, nobody in the office is friends with her except Chelsea. So it's, it's, it'll be weird.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Camille Ludington]

But does that make for a good show?

[Jessica Capshaw]

It depends.

[Sandra Vergara]

I mean, I don't know. It's. It's too much though. Like something's gotta give. Like somebody gotta.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I Mean, I think about Christine back in the day. Nobody liked Christine. She ended up leaving the show. So this is a tricky situation. I would love to see them be friends again.

[Sandra Vergara]

But I just think, listen, guys, I have nothing against Cruchell. Never did. I never had a problem with her. I noticed that she was making strange faces at me when I would talk, and all I did was, hey, yo, this. I do this with anybody. And I do it for the purpose of, like, if I offend you, I want to clean my side of the street.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Sure.

[Sandra Vergara]

It's. I want to own it. Like, maybe I said something that she, like, I want. You know, I want to have a good energy overall. So that's all I asked her, and she blew up and brought the phone and all that. So, like, that was to me. No, that turned me off completely. You know, that's it. But before that, nothing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like, did you ever find out what the thing was that she was kind of holding over your head?

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, that's. I mean, that's uncomfortable to say to somebody else. I'm saving. I'm sitting on something, basically. Oh, God.

[Camille Ludington]

That just creates so much anxiety, the whole show.

[Sandra Vergara]

And they don't post. And the worst is they don't put it on the show. And then they put on the show me telling a man's I'm Mary. And they're saying that I'm lying. Because on that scene.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, they cut that piece. That looks like.

[Sandra Vergara]

It looks like I'm talking. You can ask there. You're amongst that. They were there.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, wow. Okay. Did you watch friendsgiving?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, so what happened? Okay, so on.

[Sandra Vergara]

I watched only like, the. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, so we're gonna explain to the audience what happened. If you haven't gotten to this episode yet, just go watch it right now. But if you want to be spoiled it, this is what happened. Amanda threw a friend's Thanksgiving. That was the friends Thanksgiving from hell, to be honest. Right. And they all had to go around the table and say something that they were thankful for. And Nicole. I feel like it started because Nicole opened a card and said she was thankful for her eyesight. And then I have to say, as an audience member, and it's going to be different to you. And I think. But I think a lot of people felt this way on social media. As soon as that happened and Chrishell opened that envelope, it was already this. Right. Like, there was already, like, a mean girl already going on.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And I could tell that, like, someone like Nicole, like, it would make me feel uncomfortable.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And then it escalated to once again the drug allegations. Right.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And then she, Nicole gave her the low blow of, I think you're confusing me with your parents. Because she thinks she's projecting. What did you think of that moment when you watched it?

[Sandra Vergara]

I think that. That everything would have been great had she not said that last part.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Because it's such a sensitive topic.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Chris Shell, clearly she talks about it in every season.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

So as a veteran of that show, Nicole, you could have not just said that and she would have won.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

I think that's what happened. And I think that you. I don't think that she got fired just because of that. She got fired because the season prior she said that Emma was having an affair with a married man. And that was completely untrue. Right.

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[Jessica Capshaw]

I think this is what's interesting to me as a viewer though. There's a lot of mudslinging and repeating of rumors. Like it doesn't look good to repeat a rumor that you took a key to someone's car or that you doing.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like calling somebody a drug addict or.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That you owed it. Yes. I feel like what makes one thing better than the other? Do you know what I mean?

[Sandra Vergara]

It doesn't honestly. So it's unfair. I see why it's unfair for people to say like that was unfair for her to be.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, because I feel like if you're gonna be angry at someone about like, you know, repeating something that then isn't true. That's. That's it just happened to you too. So like where does it end? Where do you draw the line?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, I felt, I felt the same.

[Jessica Capshaw]

The audience has had a really interesting reaction to it because I was getting.

[Sandra Vergara]

Heat like the most you guys for.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Sure than Nicole a 100.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, wow.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Because people all over social media. I did my digging to bring she does. They love you.

[Sandra Vergara]

Really?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, yes. And they think that you.

[Camille Ludington]

Do you not know that? Do you look at socials or no.

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh my God, no, no, no. Of course I look at social. I don't look at tick tock. But I look at my comments because I love.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, on your it.

[Sandra Vergara]

I love answering comments.

[Camille Ludington]

Kind of fun.

[Sandra Vergara]

Well, I'm a comedian so I take a. They take the piss at some of them. It's hilarious. But today my favorite guys, can I tell you yes. On my picture, on my photo is the TEU version of Sophia Vergara.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Wait, what do you say? T Mobile.

[Sandra Vergara]

Teu. Oh, the teu.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Sorry, she said she's someone you know.

[Camille Ludington]

Teu.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You don't know what TEU is.

[Camille Ludington]

Is.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I know what it is. It's like the cheap. It's like basically saying like the Walmart version of something of Sofia Vergara. Well, that's not nice. I don't agree with that comment.

[Sandra Vergara]

Hilarious. But I mean, listen, you won't find hilarious. You have to know what it is. Okay, it's this one. Yeah, yeah, that's funny.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You have to laugh off some of the comments, especially if you're on a reality show. It's gonna be rough out there.

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh, it's terrible. But I have a lot of love. Love. I get a lot of support.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You do.

[Sandra Vergara]

Thank God.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So I did everything for you. Can I talk about. Okay, so I've done the digging for you and I'm gonna repeat back. This is not necessarily how I feel, but I'm gonna repeat back a big consensus of the show right now. Especially Friends giving. A lot of people felt like Chrishell was already hitting so low below the belt anyway and just over and over again that. Can you really be shocked? And when someone hits lower, like is it really that shocking if you're like jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, jabbing low blows saying uid and then someone hits back lower. That's just. It's not necessarily my opinion.

[Sandra Vergara]

What's your opinion?

[Jessica Capshaw]

My opinion is I also wish she hadn't said it because she would have won the argument. Exactly like you.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's the thing. Because she dropped something that. It's so sensitive because then all the.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Focus became on that, and then all of this sort of went away.

[Sandra Vergara]

And I'm like, what happens in life? Like.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

When you're having a crazy argument with someone and that person's being horrible to you, if you snap, you lost, you lose it. It's true. Fight, man.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, it is true.

[Sandra Vergara]

She could have won, but then she had to just. She could have said anything else. But don't. Don't mess with the parents. Like, just don't involve the parents. Say something about Chrishell.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

Or like, say something like, call her. I don't know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But I do have to say, okay. Chrishell called her cancer, by the way.

[Sandra Vergara]

That was horrible.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I actually think that, like, that in.

[Sandra Vergara]

Some ways, that's worse.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's worse. Like, to me, it's like, I can't. I. If someone described me that way, it would, like, take me out.

[Sandra Vergara]

By the way, I asked my. The team about this situation earlier because I was like, I was kind of hearing on social media like, Nicole was getting backed up.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

And I was told that it wasn't just that it was an accumulation of certain things, that. That's why she got fired.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. It's a little confused. I think it's confusing. I think that the. If the c. If it comes back next season, which I'm sure it will, because it's. You know, the show's so popular. I think that Jason, the twins need to explain exactly why. Because if the reason is that you set a low blow during the fight and everyone hates you, well, everyone. The whole office should be gone because everyone' always fighting and saying crazy things. Not you. But I've seen a lot over the years, and a lot of people have stayed. Right. So I think it's a little. I think people feel like she should not have been fired.

[Sandra Vergara]

Maybe she'll come back, I guess. I don't know. Nashville. I don't.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I listen. Maybe there's the Oppenheimer Group in Nashville, and she'll be there.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. Honestly, I do not know, because that's an inside thing. I do trust Jason.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

And he's a smart guy, so maybe.

[Jessica Capshaw]

He has knowledge that we don't know.

[Sandra Vergara]

Exactly. Jason's just not gonna fire someone out of favoritism and all that. That's not.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

Especially not an OG like Nicole. You know, Jason, that was hard for them. Like, that had to be something that, you know, that it was very tough for Them to make that decision. I don't think they took it, like, lightly.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

I think it was more of a liability.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

Having. I guess, you know, it's just. That's the thing. We're just focusing on that moment. But I guess it was something that. Between them that kept happening. I like Nicole. I met her after. I never shot with her, and she's very nice. But the other day, I saw her, I think, saying something on Mary's reaction or something, and I was like. Like, that's your friend.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. I think. I think that there's a lot of bad blood. Yes. Okay, let's talk. Well, I want to know. Let's end on this. On this part. Did anybody. Has anybody called Chrishell out for calling someone? I believe that she said she, like, she's the human, like, version of cancer. Yeah, something like that.

[Sandra Vergara]

No.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. It's a surprise. It hasn't been touched on because it was quite. In an intense comment. Maybe she regrets it. I'd be interested to know. Mary had some drama this season. Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

She went through a lot.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What is your opinion on the drama there?

[Sandra Vergara]

A lot wasn't shown.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, really?

[Sandra Vergara]

A lot. Where context was lost. So Mary looks a little bit like she was overreacting, but a lot wasn't shown, which is kind of unfair. And she got robbed.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

All of her family heirlooms were taken from them. And. Yeah. And it was. She.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know, it was very traumatic.

[Sandra Vergara]

It was already at the end. It was when the fire. So somebody took advantage of the evacuation.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

So it was a lot for her. And then she was with Brie, and she got flowers from Chelsea, and she basically just thought it was. It wasn't genuine, because why send them while they're shooting on camera?

[Jessica Capshaw]

So I think Chelsea's response was she didn't know that they were gonna. When they were gonna be sent.

[Sandra Vergara]

I think she didn't know because.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

They. If there's.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, I don't know, knowing all of them. Do you think intentionally the flowers were sent to be seen on camera?

[Camille Ludington]

For sure.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

For sure. All right. But it's a reality to show.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

I see both sides.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, sure.

[Sandra Vergara]

Chelsea, that could have been an olive branch.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

But Mary didn't take it because he would have rather got in a message private before, like, just a big, like, you know, just flowers like that. But Mary is the nicest human being.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Is she frustrated that things have not been shown on the show?

[Sandra Vergara]

Very.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And then what do you do in that situation? Do you hop on social media and explain you're trying to explain yourself. Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

Exactly.

[Camille Ludington]

Seems like that would be the only way that you could.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's the only way.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, I was wondering, like, if they're contracted to maybe not say so, I.

[Sandra Vergara]

Might be in trouble then.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, I don't think so, because a lot of people are on social talking about it.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, no, it's. Look, it's like the drama's real, man. Is it? What you're watching is real.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It feel. It doesn't feel real.

[Sandra Vergara]

Drama's real, but it changes. It fluctuates. What's not. What's not in, what's not. Right. It's the order of events that like. Or the scenes how.

[Camille Ludington]

That's crazy.

[Sandra Vergara]

I know. That's the thing. It's like how they piece it.

[Camille Ludington]

So manipulated.

[Sandra Vergara]

It is very manipulated.

[Camille Ludington]

Wow.

[Sandra Vergara]

It's very manipulated.

[Camille Ludington]

But Camilla's in. She's sitting on that couch.

[Sandra Vergara]

But it's real. It's manipulated, but it's real. But it's whatever they want to show. So you have no control over how you want to be perceived.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So you hear in reality TV that you get the villain edit every season. Do you, like, not. You know, they pick one person, they kind of make them the villain. Do you feel like Chrishell villain edit this season because people are feeling that way on social media that she's the villain? Okay. That's my question to you. Wow. I love it. She just was. No, I mean, I. I understand there were some. There were, yeah. I think the Emma thing is very confusing. I understand not liking the boyfriend, but I think it's confusing. I think the way it's sort of shaken out is very hurtful to the friendship.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like, she's the star of the show. She's gorgeous. She has a happy, seemingly happy relationship. I. I do all that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like, are you okay? Like, maybe, you know, I don't know what's going on in her personal life, but, like, be happy. Happy people don't do all that stuff.

[Jessica Capshaw]

When you were in moments where you felt like the drama was super intense and you walked away at the end of the night, are you just like. I. I often think, like, oh, my God, I'd spend the rest of the night just crying into a bottle.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, I had a panic attack once. You did Malibu. That scene when she started saying. Because they cut out more stuff that she started saying. Blame me for a bunch of things about the show. She was telling me that. How dare I tell Emma to somebody to tell her later when I'm explaining something and I made a Joke. Like, somebody will tell her later in the office.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

And all these things. And then she said the car thing. And then she said. And you're like, you know, it was very demeaning and out of nowhere. And the producer set me up, of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

They told me that I was just gonna look at a house with Christianity, of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, that's never how it works on selling.

[Sandra Vergara]

It's never how it works. And so. But it's. It is what it is.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And so you walked away from that.

[Sandra Vergara]

So I left. And when I was driving my whip, first of all, I told them I quit. I don't need this. I create it. Like, I snapped.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

And in the car, I'm, like, freaking out, and I. Sending voice notes like, how do you sleep at night?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

And then, you know, and then I calm down.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Have you received an apology from her for the accusations against you?

[Camille Ludington]

No.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That. That face tells me no, people. I guess my question is, like, how do you go back to work the next day knowing that producers may not always be on your side or trying to get a rise out of you or put in the middle of drama? That is unexpected.

[Sandra Vergara]

Look, you just. How do you do it? You. You let it go. Because if you're controlling it, then you're going to be all stiff and not say anything, and they're going to be like, get out of this show. We don't.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, but just.

[Sandra Vergara]

You find with a lot of discernment. You got to use discernment, man. And it's like, like, you know, it's. It's the fine dance of, like, giving some, but not. Not too much.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Are you, like, auto editing? You're, like, in your head, like, you're.

[Sandra Vergara]

You're.

[Camille Ludington]

You're showing up enough to say that the thing that is definitely you are.

[Sandra Vergara]

Exactly. You're not having verbal diarrhea.

[Camille Ludington]

But don't go too far.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What about drinking? Do you limit yourself to, like, I'll go and I'll have two drinks. Oh, you are. Okay. So you're not going to be in any drunk fights.

[Sandra Vergara]

Never.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Because when alcohol gets involved, that's when it starts to ramp.

[Sandra Vergara]

I'm sober. I'm a sober counselor, actually.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, that's incredible.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's amazing.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. Jack of all trades.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You're a jack of all trains. She does it all.

[Sandra Vergara]

Painter and a poet.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Who do you feel closest to on the show?

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh, I think Mary and. Wait, Brie. Brie and Mary.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I really like Brie.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, actually, no, no, no, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. Alana and I are close. Oh, really? So it's Alana, Mary, Brie. Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Mary, Bri, would you trust them to keep. Keep one of your secrets next season?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, I love that.

[Sandra Vergara]

Trust them.

[Camille Ludington]

Really?

[Sandra Vergara]

I trust them for sure.

[Camille Ludington]

I don't know if I would trust anyone on a reality show with secrets.

[Sandra Vergara]

I don't know. I trust them. I trust. I trust them.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I think that Mary definitely is a. I think she's kind of a vault.

[Sandra Vergara]

Because I trust Mary for sure. And Alana. Alana wouldn't. Alana's not gonna. Yeah, she's not a. She's not somebody that's. Like, she means well.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

I think she's never in drama.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

So Alana probably will. I trust her and I trust Mary for sure.

[Jessica Capshaw]

If you were to start shooting the next season, I mean, it's very heated right now.

[Sandra Vergara]

The.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I can't imagine what. I didn't look at social media this morning because I watched the reunion, and I. I don't know what it looks like now. It was insane.

[Sandra Vergara]

It was insane. Thank God he got edited. That was. That was crazy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Crazier than what aired 10 billion times.

[Sandra Vergara]

It got really bad. I. We. Like, I was like, oh, fighting. Like, no, not physical fighting, but, like. No, no, no, no, no.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Not screaming.

[Sandra Vergara]

Screaming. And like, the kind of information that was said.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Wow.

[Sandra Vergara]

It was crazy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like, people could be sued for slander.

[Sandra Vergara]

100%, which is why it did not make the cut. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

They're like, we don't want a lawsuit, dude.

[Sandra Vergara]

Dude. It was hysterical, but also insanity. Insanity. I was.

[Camille Ludington]

I think that people take things knowing that you're on a reality show and knowing that probably everyone's coming into it, not with the same exact mindset, but similar. Like, you know what you signed up for? Do you think that. That you take things less personally?

[Sandra Vergara]

You have to.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like, you. It's like. You mean within the. People know that. That within, like, the castmates or, like, in general?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, I think I'm.

[Camille Ludington]

I'm imagining that you. That some people feel like they have to say something crazy because that's the environment you're in.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like, it's only the job almost.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, I don't think. I don't need that. Yeah, no, I'm like, I'm very natural. Like, if I want to say something, I say it. If I don't want to say it, I'm not going to say it, but I don't think I'll be extra. Huh.

[Camille Ludington]

What about the other people, though? Do you feel like some people just.

[Sandra Vergara]

Some are very real. Seriously, like Brie's pretty real and I don't know about other people.

[Camille Ludington]

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[Camille Ludington]

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[Camille Ludington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

I think it's good when people don't beat around the bush. And Bri is definitely someone.

[Sandra Vergara]

Me neither. I don't like that whole beating her up the bush. That's also like.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It gets messy.

[Sandra Vergara]

Messy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Agreed.

[Sandra Vergara]

Messy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

If you guys. When would you potentially start filming next season if you get picked up?

[Sandra Vergara]

I think. I think like January.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh my God. I cannot believe you guys.

[Camille Ludington]

But I don't know.

[Sandra Vergara]

I have no idea.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, I know.

[Sandra Vergara]

But you ask me, the new person, I have no clue.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, I'm just picturing you guys all back in the office together.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's what I'm saying. Like tbd, like massive on caps tvd.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, so since the reunion have. Who have you seen?

[Sandra Vergara]

I've spoken on the phone with Bream Alana and Mary.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. And are you guys actually in the office when you're not filming? Because we all think that you're not sometimes. Oh, you are. Okay. Okay, good.

[Sandra Vergara]

Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I figured. Yeah. What is one misconception that you'd like to clear up about yourself?

[Sandra Vergara]

Misconception that I steer pot. That was a like a. That it was a gumbo mambalaya already when I get it got in. I. I steered no pots.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. There was no pot stirring. I think the pots were ready for you. I already came with it.

[Sandra Vergara]

It came with the best.

[Camille Ludington]

You confused me because I thought you were smoking the pots and I was like, no, she's.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, no. I came with the best intentions to get to know these people. Mediate with. I could. Could. They edited the parts where like Chelsea and I were having one on one stuff and just. They made it sort of like a little shallow. Which. Yeah, look, I can't control it. But I didn't steer any pot. I was straight, honest. And I definitely didn't key anyone's car.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You didn't key anyone's car. We really need to clear that up.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's so good.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do you know why that rumor even started?

[Sandra Vergara]

No. Because I guess so when I was driving my car with all panicked, I was thinking about the license. Right. Rachel. I don't remember.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, because she showed you on her.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. Tiny and in the moment I'm like. And I'm like. Is she saying she's talking about Rachel, like from Phillies Avenue? I used to live in Phillies in 2019. I moved out. 20. 20 something. And there's my neighbor. There's a neighbor, Rachel. So it's her, I suppose. But I thought these ladies an accountant or something. She never left the house. You could not imagine her being Chris Shell stuff's assistant. Oh, that's not on it. Like never like. But I don't know her last name. Really.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So you still don't know if it's that person?

[Sandra Vergara]

I think it's her. No, no, no.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

Because. But all. And I have like on my phone with her. The only problem was like, for example, I have. I'm a die hard Radiohead fan. And she was always like. Like to stop the radio, hit, stop replaying. Let down because her walls were thinner. But I didn't even play it loudly. That was.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You think that she didn't like you as somebody hit her car though, and someone keyed her.

[Sandra Vergara]

Somebody. Well, I guess she. She used it because she knew that Chris Shell was going to use it to her. I have no idea.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Bonkers, you guys. Yeah, it is just so. I thought that scene was so wild. Okay, Chrishell told you to toughen up. What does that look like? If you go into next season.

[Sandra Vergara]

To toughen up.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

To take zero things personal from Crusoe.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Really? Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

I mean, pretty tough. Like, that came left field out of nowhere.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe. Would you be more on your toes?

[Sandra Vergara]

More on my toes? What do you mean?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, like, more ready for like the unexpected.

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. I'm gonna be like, if I do it, I will be like, I would.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Be on in fight or flight mode that entire season.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Imagine.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

After that reality show. Camila.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Can I imagine being on a reality. No, because I have a. I watch like her on the show and I have a panic attack for her. Like, when that phone came out and she showed you the picture, I was.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, oh, my God.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

But in that moment, I had no ide who that person was. I've never keyed a car. So you never think like, oh, no, wait, that neighbor. It's actually for her assistant who stole, who lied. And so, like, it's all nonsense.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Has Sophia watched the show?

[Sandra Vergara]

I don't know. But my nephew, her son, he convinced.

[Camille Ludington]

Me to do this.

[Sandra Vergara]

He did? Well, he's a massive. He loves selling Sunset. And I told him about it. And I didn't told nobody. I only told him. Yeah, he's like, I watch that show. Just do it. Oh, my God. Start your real estate career.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do you have any regrets right now? Right now, like, or looking back even at the season? Do you have. You're like, I wish that moment had gone this way.

[Sandra Vergara]

I can't regret anything because everything happens for a reason.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I also thought you had a great first season.

[Sandra Vergara]

I think so. I mean, they edited a lot of my fabulous parts, but I thought that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You appeared very level headed and I know that there's.

[Sandra Vergara]

But I'm funny.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, and you're funny and you're bold and you're honest.

[Sandra Vergara]

They did not see the funny, though. I'm a lot funnier than that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I think that you could tell that you're playful on the show.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, but I'm actually hilarious.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, we need to see more how.

[Sandra Vergara]

See, she's laughing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I know. That is funny to say that. Exactly.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's my. That's my style of comedy. You see? You see what I mean?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, we need to see more of that. Please, producers.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, man, let's talk. Are you doing.

[Camille Ludington]

I thought you were playful.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She's like, no, I'm Hilarious. Hilarious.

[Sandra Vergara]

I'm going to start a stand up called Too hot for stand up.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, do it.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You can do it on Netflix.

[Sandra Vergara]

The stand up.

[Jessica Capshaw]

There you go. Exactly. Let's talk about the clothes on selling Sunset.

[Sandra Vergara]

They're all mine, man. Nobody are they. Shit. Yeah. They're all. They own everything. They own everything. All the clothes are. The cast clothes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Jessica. The amount of Birkins.

[Sandra Vergara]

Crazy.

[Jessica Capshaw]

The table.

[Sandra Vergara]

They're all there.

[Camille Ludington]

How do you guys get them? How do you all get them?

[Sandra Vergara]

I don't know. I don't have a Birkin.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't. I have. No. They have, like, very rare Birkins, too.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. I mean their husbands and like, they're. They're.

[Camille Ludington]

They're not Firkins.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't think they're firkins. I think they look like they're. I think they're real Birkin. But I'm. I'm talking top to bottom. These outfits that, like you're grabbing a sandwich at are.

[Camille Ludington]

And then when they go. And then are they going, that was.

[Sandra Vergara]

Hard for me because I'm a rocker chick. Oh.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But I think we need that vibe.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, they didn't let me. They had.

[Jessica Capshaw]

They didn't let you do it?

[Sandra Vergara]

Well, not really. Not my full style. I had to match sort of like the. You did with the dresses and the high heels. Yeah. I couldn't go in in, like, flats. Jason would have been like, okay, okay. I had to be T rexing all the time.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, like this. Okay. Oh, no. Do you have a glam squad? Do your hair makeup before you go.

[Sandra Vergara]

So I used to be a makeup artist, so I did my own makeup. Makeup.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And is this you doing your own makeup right now? Oh, damn. Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. I mean.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh. So, yeah, you don't need that. Thank God. Because, I mean, I don't know how.

[Sandra Vergara]

Because I could not have glam all the time. Are you kidding me? No, I did my own glam.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm assuming the other girls don't. And they have glam people. Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, you're assuming they do get glam.

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh, no, they do get glam. Of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

But we get glammed only for the interview. You know, when you're in the combo.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Really?

[Sandra Vergara]

We get hair and makeup when we're talking. You know, when we're talking like, yes, the talking heads.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I think that's what they call it.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. In the interviews in the cubicle where you're like, she did this and that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But what about when you're, like, out to lunch? If you guys are going out to lunch.

[Sandra Vergara]

A lot of people out to lunch in that show.

[Jessica Capshaw]

As everyone's out to lunch, are they getting full glam going out to lunch? Yeah, yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Every time.

[Camille Ludington]

Do you shoot in a season, how many do you think? Think like total.

[Sandra Vergara]

I don't know, I get. Because it changes every week.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

How many days a week? Yeah, it depends. Sometimes you will have four, sometimes you have two, sometimes you have three, sometimes you'll have one, sometimes you have five.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Are there ever like a last.

[Sandra Vergara]

And I came in mid season.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, you did.

[Sandra Vergara]

Literally. I got hired in the middle. So that's why my episodes are. That's in order. Yeah, yeah, that part. Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But the problem with coming in mid season is you came in right when everything was already a shit show.

[Sandra Vergara]

A little bit. Yeah. And people, fans take time. Like you have to wait till six episodes to watch me. And what if they don't like the show and they get to lose me?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh well, everyone. No one's losing you. Everyone was watching the show because some.

[Sandra Vergara]

People are like, I stopped watching this on the third episode after Friends giving.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You're like, go, go to the sixth. Skip ahead. Okay. We want to know a little bit about how you unwind after all this drama.

[Sandra Vergara]

Can you give.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You do.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, religiously. But it's not.

[Camille Ludington]

So your spirituality.

[Sandra Vergara]

Very spiritual. Yeah, yeah. And I.

[Camille Ludington]

And hilarious.

[Sandra Vergara]

Spiritually hilarious. And I counsel people as well. So like I, I think that, that when you're of service to somebody else, everything gets better because you're not in your head. And. And like I agree with that. And this is a very self centered industry. Yeah. And when you're out of self is when you actually get peace and serenity. So I practice Kabbalah, I meditate, I pray, I help other people. And that's. Thank God I went hard on Kabbalah before doing this. You guys like, yeah, I'm gonna need it, man.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

So it's amazing. It's like it just Teach Kabbalah teaches you how to react in a non reactive way. It's all about proactive versus reactive.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's what Mary needed.

[Sandra Vergara]

She's doing it now.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, she is?

[Sandra Vergara]

She's doing it now. She's like into it. I got her into the teacher. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Really?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Mary was in a state of reaction because of what happened. You know, a lot was edited out of context so it made it seem more. But yes, everybody needs it. It's because it's like, it's all about getting on like the window of tolerance.

[Jessica Capshaw]

See, I actually Think the show needs to show more of this. Thank you for showing it here because there's no balance. And to see this part of your life would be like, I would need it. Sometimes I'm watching the episodes and I do need a break. And if you it I knew and it was like this, I would be.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like, okay, great, I need to do it. Thinking that was going to happen.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, really?

[Sandra Vergara]

We're going to show more of that? Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, hopefully they hear from people like us and hear you talking and post.

[Sandra Vergara]

This on my ig.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

You are posting this clip on the IG of you guys saying that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

God damn. No, I want to see more.

[Sandra Vergara]

They do need it. That's my. That's. They convinced me, like, that was a perspective.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, well, it didn't happen. We need more.

[Sandra Vergara]

No, it didn't happen before you go.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Because it's been incredible and you've given us all the juice. I knew you were gonna come. You what?

[Sandra Vergara]

I was on my way here to a podcast where I did a podcast with a healer. Like this healer that I covered. His name is Charlie Goldsmith. Has a book called Human Medicine. Pretty good. Okay, check him out. And I was interviewing him, but on my way to the interview, I found that my car in my home is freaking towed. I'm flying tonight. No, I hate that now. I had to go to the okay place and get my car.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, we're gonna let you go to the toll place. Before you go. Before. Before you go, sum up your. I want you to sum up your feelings on this season and what you've really learned.

[Sandra Vergara]

Okay. I learned that some people are meant to be friends, and that's okay. And I'm not talking about me and Chrishell.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

At all. I'm talking about, like, Chelsea, Mary. Mary, like Brie and certain people. And yes, that's fine. Like, I learned that by interacting with. Individually with all of them. And that's okay. There has to be some form where there's harmony, but there's no need of, like, you know, some difference are irreconcilable, I suppose. And the other thing is that you gotta be prepared.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

You gotta be prepared for everything. Because anything. You're at a dinner with these people and the shoe drops and then. Oh, yeah, like all hell breaks loose. And it's real. Oh, God.

[Camille Ludington]

For real.

[Sandra Vergara]

It's.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's very stressful watching this season, Jessica. You have to catch up on the rest of the episodes and finish it. It's. It's bonkers. I don't want to spoil The. Too much of the reunion for you. But I mean, you guys really got into it.

[Sandra Vergara]

It.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Thank you so much for coming.

[Sandra Vergara]

Thank you for having me. It's an absolute pleasure.

[Camille Ludington]

I learned so much.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean, that's what I mean.

[Camille Ludington]

Because I do. You know, I don't. I don't.

[Jessica Capshaw]

She's playing catch up.

[Camille Ludington]

The real. I know. Well, I don't. I just. I don't do the. Camila's. So good at the reality.

[Jessica Capshaw]

When you do Dancing with the Stars, that's your favorite.

[Sandra Vergara]

That's true. I used to interview them dancing. You did? That's. I. Oh, it's great.

[Camille Ludington]

I watched last night.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You did? Yeah, I was watching this one last night.

[Sandra Vergara]

I know.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, I guess I am. I should.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, you gotta. You gotta. Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

You gotta pick your reality.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Your reality. But Camilla is a big fan and she was.

[Sandra Vergara]

She's great at it. You're amazing.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I just. I just came so pumped with all the questions.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Godspeed to you.

[Camille Ludington]

Yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

For next year. Congratulations on your first season on Reality. Thank you. I think that you did an incredible job. And I'm very difficult. Show a bunch of women that are just so intimidating.

[Sandra Vergara]

I know. And.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And it's. Stakes were high and emotions were high. Congratulations. I want to see more of all of.

[Sandra Vergara]

Nicole wasn't high.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Camille Ludington]

No, it wouldn't last a minute. Like literally not even 30 seconds.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, you wouldn't last a minute. I wouldn't either. I'd be hitting that ballet in two seconds and peacing out.

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh, my God.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You stuck around good.

[Sandra Vergara]

Stuck around. We'll see for you.

[Camille Ludington]

You are. You're tough and hilarious.

[Sandra Vergara]

Hey, guys, More will be revealed.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Let's do that.

[Sandra Vergara]

I can't wait for these podcasts to air. You two are badass.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I love it. Will you come back on if 100 next season comes?

[Sandra Vergara]

I'll keep you posted.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, my God, I'm so excited. All right, Jessica, let's call it. Let's call it the end of the episode.

[Camille Ludington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. Plan B is emergency contraception you take after unprotected sex. Think of it as backup birth control. It works by temporarily delaying ovulation to help prevent pregnancy before it starts.

[Camille Ludington]

And it's available right off the shelf?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yep.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's at all major retailers in all 50 US states. No prescription ID or age requirements.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Ah.

[Camille Ludington]

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[Jessica Capshaw]

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