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Unknown
What you all did five months ago.
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Unknown
What did you see?
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Unknown
If you want to find out what.
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Happened to her, I'll help.
Unknown
She's still alive.
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Call it what it is with Jessica.
Whitney Cummings
Capshaw and Camille Ludington and iHeartRadio podcast. Well, hello, hello, hello, hello everybody and.
Camilla Luddington
Welcome to another episode of Call it what it is.
Whitney Cummings
I'm so excited to talk to this guest today. I approached many things. I've seen her live, I've seen her show and she makes me laugh.
Camilla Luddington
I feel like for me she was one of the first, like modern comedians.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah.
Camilla Luddington
That I. That were female. That I knew about. Knew of.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah.
Camilla Luddington
Which is crazy to say. We, we need more. But like, I just feel like it was like the name that I knew the most back in the day.
Whitney Cummings
She's a famous comedian.
Camilla Luddington
She's very famous.
Whitney Cummings
Whitney Cummings.
Camilla Luddington
Okay, let's, let's bring her in.
Whitney Cummings
Hi.
Unknown
Annoying. The glasses.
Camilla Luddington
No, not annoying. Don't worry.
Whitney Cummings
Mine on so you can be annoyed by my reflection.
Unknown
Oh my gosh, please. No. As long as it isn't.
Camilla Luddington
No, yeah, just. You wear yours too.
Unknown
Those are great frames.
Whitney Cummings
Thanks. I had 2020 vision my whole life. I had two, my two parents, my two genetic parents were like blind as bats. They got childhood glasses and I was like, I got this. I'm 2020. And then two years ago I had a kid, like put something in front of my face but like real close. Like real close. And I did that thing where I, I pushed my head away. Like I can't see that. So close. And I thought, I'm old.
Unknown
Here's the thing, Jessica. I love getting older. I don't want to see things. I don't want to see the news. I don't want to be able to. I love how to focus. I'm like, good. I don't have to read that.
Whitney Cummings
Great. Yeah.
Unknown
That's freedom.
Camilla Luddington
Whitney, you have a one year old.
Unknown
I do.
Camilla Luddington
Did he just turn one? Is he a Sagittarius?
Unknown
Just turn. Oh my God.
Camilla Luddington
I.
Unknown
Of all the things I have done in my life, I have worked so Hard. My greatest accomplishment is having a SAG baby.
Camilla Luddington
I'm a SAG baby, by the way.
Unknown
I have never had. You're having a SAG baby. Let's. I've never heard, no, I've never heard anyone say, like, you're having a Taurus baby. Like, what is it with SAG babies?
Camilla Luddington
I. First off, he's gonna be amazing. Obviously. I, No, I, I actually, he's gonna be really blunt. We're known for being really blunt. He's gonna love to travel, but I was a good kid. I think we're gonna. I think sages are good, solid, like, grounded kids.
Unknown
Do you believe in astrology? Like, for real?
Camilla Luddington
I did not used to, but I, I do now. I do. The more people I meet and I'm like, what are you? And now I see, like, the, the similarities and all the signs. So, yeah.
Unknown
I also feel like, though, when someone finds out their sign, they do lean into that more. I'm like. So I'm saying they, they become more of a sag.
Whitney Cummings
It's the confirmation bias. Yes, exactly.
Unknown
You, of course, are going to make it sound smart. I'm kind of fascinated by, like, that astrology. If it's the stars and the gravity, wherever, fine. But I actually think that there also could be another explanation, which is like, are like, the proximity of our birthdays to other holidays. Like, because when you're young, your birthday is the biggest deal, you know, and the proximity to another holiday. Like, people like Virgos, like, Virgos are like, they're all about work and they're all about being organized. It's like, well, my birthday was the first day of school. Like, September.
Whitney Cummings
Back to school, back to school, baby.
Unknown
So Virgos, you know, I mean, so it's like. And then Capricorns, like, you know, they're like, you know, don't want a lot. They're insecure, they're this and this. But they come right after holiday, New Year. No one's giving them presents on January 5th.
Whitney Cummings
This is a theory.
Unknown
It's kind of interesting. I don't know. That's kind of like, to me, something that makes it work a little more. And like, you know.
Camilla Luddington
Anyway, I believe it.
Whitney Cummings
Explain my leones.
Camilla Luddington
I know. I was thinking, I have a son who's a Leo. Well, you're, you're, you're in summer vacation mode. So no wonder you're loving life.
Unknown
That's it. And no one comes to your party. They're like, your birthday party. Kids aren't in town, everyone's out of town. So you work extra hard and, like, perform. Like, from what I understand, Leos are like, performers. Like. Oh, yeah. Charismatic, great with. You know, I. And I'm not saying I don't know what happened, you know, but maybe something like that.
Whitney Cummings
So let me ask you a question, just a hypothetical question. So if I invited you to my birthday dinner on August 9th, and you came to the My birthday dinner casually.
Camilla Luddington
Throwing the date out so she gets you a gift.
Unknown
Go on.
Whitney Cummings
Just saying that if she came to my birthday on August 9th, because we became really good friends between now and August 9th, because that's when you'd be invited to my birthday dinner. And let's just say that there was a tradition of going around the table and each person had to say what they loved about me the most. Would that be weird to you? You or feel. Right on.
Unknown
Are you the one initiating it, or does someone else. Yes.
Camilla Luddington
Yes, she is.
Whitney Cummings
Why does this matter?
Unknown
If Alicia was like, let's go around everyone and say what we love about Jesse. No, but if you're like, hey, guys, guys, guys. Let's all go around and say what you love about. That'd be a little tricky.
Jessica Capshaw
Great.
Whitney Cummings
Well, now I have a new. I have a new strategy for this year.
Unknown
Here's the thing, Okay. I like a better. Do you do that every year? I think a better way to do it so that people aren't, you know, full of is. I'd have them write it down, I guess maybe another hand.
Camilla Luddington
You have to come with a written note.
Unknown
No, you, like, give them a piece of paper and they write it down and then. Or whatever.
Whitney Cummings
All of this makes Camilla question her friendship with me.
Camilla Luddington
I can't.
Whitney Cummings
When I explained what I like out of a birthday, and I actually don't expect anything.
Camilla Luddington
No, no, no. Hang on. Let me just explain to Whitney. She used to send people a gift registry list for her own birthday.
Whitney Cummings
That's sick.
Unknown
By the way. Thank you. Thank you.
Camilla Luddington
I mean, thank you, but, like, no, thank you.
Jessica Capshaw
Next.
Unknown
And I shouldn't be like this. I don't think I'd care. Now I got a friend of mine, Deb won't say her last name for her wedding registry. I got her a couple of things. And then friends of mine, we all were like, oh, let's all get her the plates and the forks and, you know, together. Yeah. And then I go to her house for dinner party, and, like, I kind of expect, like, the plates to be. You know what I mean? You kind of want to see your gift in action, you know? And I remember being like, where are those plates? And she goes, oh, I return them all for a mattress. As she should be able to do. You should be able to do whatever you want, but it was just kind of like, I like someone just telling me what they want. I appreciate that. I don't want to be the idiot that gets you something you already have.
Camilla Luddington
Or, like, can dish dub.
Unknown
Also, sometimes when people give you presents that you didn't specifically request, it can be very insulting. Like, agree. You know, it'll be like, what kind of.
Camilla Luddington
I'm interested. What kind of birthday mom do you think you're gonna be? So she's getting bigger. Are you gonna do, like, the Kardashian, like, the balloons with the, you know, with the circus in the bath sculpture? What do you feel like he's gonna be your birthday mom vibe?
Unknown
Is that what they do?
Camilla Luddington
Oh, people here in la. Yeah, of course.
Whitney Cummings
No, they go straight to the event planner and they make sure that they have a bangin first, second, third, all the way on up.
Unknown
But who's it for? Is it for the attendees? Is it for the gram. Is it really for the kid?
Whitney Cummings
That's unknown.
Camilla Luddington
Yeah, we don't know.
Whitney Cummings
I think it's probably case specific. Right?
Unknown
The photos to show the kid later.
Whitney Cummings
Oh, yeah. You know. Yeah. I had one real banger and it was Eve's fifth.
Camilla Luddington
How banging was it?
Whitney Cummings
So like I said, I was just reaching into the recesses of the mem. So when you say, like, was it for the kid, was it for you? I wasn't big on Instagram and I don't. I'm not big on Instagram for, like, super, super personal stuff. I mean, I think that there's a whole world to share, but I don't. That's not been where I've done it, but I think that I did. When you just said that out loud, I think I did enjoy by five.
Unknown
No, they're there, like.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, but I. I think.
Jessica Capshaw
I mean, for sure.
Whitney Cummings
I mean, I would say absolutely it was for her mostly because the entire thing was all the. Her favorite things.
Camilla Luddington
But then it starts because is it all down? Like, once you set the bar, like, is six. If you're not gonna do it, is it then, like, well, where's all the.
Whitney Cummings
You mean, like, what. Like, what does Eve want now for, like, her 14?
Camilla Luddington
Yes. I. That's the problem with kids birthday parties is, like, once you're. Once you're, like, going all out, you kind of have to sustain it. Otherwise they're like, where's. Where's the balloons? Do you?
Unknown
Or is it good to, like, prepare a kid for life by going like, yeah, last year I made a little more money. We got to do that. This year we're doing a Chuck E. Cheese. So life is. I feel like I'm so different than every parent I talk to or every parent maybe at least in like, California or something, because I come from, like, the south, like, white trash hillbilly shit where it's like, you're not friends with your kid, you love your kid more than anything, and, like, my job is to protect you. It's not to, like, necessarily, you know, be your homie. Like, I'm fully. Yeah, you know, that's a kind of small thing. I don't. I see people whose kid calls them by their first name. I'm like, what is happening?
Jessica Capshaw
What?
Camilla Luddington
I don't like.
Unknown
It's wild. Oh, they're like, hey, Kim. I'm like, what? Like, stuff like that. I think for me, like, if I've learned anything. And maybe this just because I came from, like, thank you so much, sir. I think because I came from such raging alcoholics, like, like, and the energy, like, I didn't care about the gifts or the anything, but, like, watching my mom, like, stress out about, like, the day before Christmas, wrapping a bunch of stuff and like, we have to do this because it's your birthday and just being like, oh, God. Like, I think that if you had fun planning that amazing party, that's the best part. It's like, I think that, like, yeah, we're kids, you know, I did.
Whitney Cummings
I loved that birthday party.
Unknown
I figured out a way if you go to a kid's party and the mom's like, the ladybugs aren't here yet. And like, okay, now, now you're just modeling for your kid that, like, a day that insanity should be stressful, you know? So to me, like, for the first birthday, I was really torn about what exactly to do and because I was like, I don't want to stress myself out and then not be present, you know.
Whitney Cummings
Well, here's what I can tell you because you're already there. This is going to be very simple from, you know, the ghosts of future of future with my, My older children. Now you're just going to maybe for your son this year for Christmas, like, you know, wrap like a pair of sunglasses.
Unknown
But also they're at the point where they, they like. He likes the wrapping in the box better than the thing that.
Camilla Luddington
Yeah, it's so true.
Unknown
I can just like, wrap up a bunch of empty Amazon Boxes and he'll be happy. Yeah. Throw away and just try to get the box.
Camilla Luddington
Just give him a remote control. And he's like, if you give him the TV remote, that's it.
Unknown
That's exactly it. You know? So I'm kind of.
Camilla Luddington
That's it.
Unknown
The things that I'm kind of struggling with. Y'all can probably. You will have, like, perfect advice and clarity on, like, the Santa Claus thing. Like, I have a. Maybe this is a comedian thing. But, like, I were. I just. And maybe this is just a perfectionism thing of, like, I was lied to so much as a kid. I'm like, do I say the tradition that we. Because I love Santa. I love Chris. I love all this stuff. But, like, Easter Bunny Santa.
Camilla Luddington
Well, did you like Santa as a kid?
Unknown
No, I. I had a very. I was like, wait, we're not supposed to talk to strangers, but one is.
Whitney Cummings
You sit on the wrong Santa's lap many times.
Unknown
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Whitney Cummings
Oh, my God.
Unknown
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Camilla Luddington
Don't they do some sort of. We don't they do some sort of, like, checking of that.
Whitney Cummings
I think mall. You don't think they just go for it.
Camilla Luddington
They're like, are you. You have a beard. You're in. Like, it's fine.
Unknown
I don't even think they need a beard. No. They're like, oh, you just got fired from nambla. Come work here, whatever it is. I just. I. I get. I struggle a little bit with that, because I also don't want to be the parent who's like, I'm not going to do this tradition that everyone else does. And then the kid is, like, not able to, you know, fit in or feel a part of something. But I. I thought it was fishy. I didn't like it as a kid.
Camilla Luddington
I loved Santa. I. Santa's big in our house. We're like, full sand. I, like, still believe. I was gonna say you're.
Whitney Cummings
I'm not sure you're talking to the right person, because I've. I've questioned our lying to children before, and she's like, what? Lie?
Unknown
But do you just. Does it just go. Because I think I'm also doing the thing where I got. My kid's not going to see a screen until they're 15 a couple weeks and you're like, it might be.
Whitney Cummings
It might be a little of that.
Unknown
I'm just still in the, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whitney Cummings
There you go.
Camilla Luddington
I think that it's so magical for them, and I have really good memories, and it's so magical for them, and they're so excited.
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, I'm. I'm really worried. There's a lot of things. I'm just like, I guess I'm going to trust my instincts and get there when I get there, you know? And I think that's been the biggest. Like, God, as soon as you become a mom, you start saying journey. Like, the biggest part of this whole, like, journey is feedback you get online or whatever it is. You know, people like, mom, Instagram is, like, brutal. And, like, you know, the video is like, you know, I went into. I posted a photo of me going into labor. I induced a week early. I really wanted to do a vaginally C section. I was so close to having a C section. If I do it again, I'll probably just schedule it. Like, nothing. I just really want it that way. And I wanted to be able to get pregnant faster if I wanted to have another. Whatever. And so I, like, posted that and I got your C section shaming. You induced Pitocida. And at first I was like, oh, God, I should. But then I was like, you know what? This is awesome. Like, these people, they care. Like, these people care about this baby they've never met. Like, this is when women, like, you know, I mean, I was obviously super sensitive because you're, you know.
Camilla Luddington
Yeah.
Unknown
Postpartum depression and you're so emotional, and I'm like, just got cut to inch. I'm, like, healing from a surgery, whatever. But I think that, like, for me, it's been really important to just be able to, like, take wisdom and not take it personally. Like, there's a lot I don't know. And, like. And also how to, like, take what you like and leave the rest. I've also gotten the most amazing advice from Instagram that I never would have thought of. Like, people were like, make sure to put coconut oil or Aquaphor on your baby's butthole as soon as they come out. Because the first poop is really sticky. I'm like, yeah, like, thank you. I really needed to hear that, you know? So I've sometimes gotten better advice from, like, women on TikTok or, like, an Instagram comments than Dr. You know? So I think that for me, it's just all about going like, okay, okay. Like, nobody's Wrong.
Camilla Luddington
You know, it's knowing when to shut it off too.
Unknown
Yeah. Knowing like that might work if you want to breastfeed. He's 12. That's your prerogative.
Camilla Luddington
That's your journey.
Unknown
Three months. I did as much as I could, you know, like yeah, I was a.
Whitney Cummings
Three month or two.
Camilla Luddington
I was a three month as much.
Unknown
As I could like you know. And you tell yourself like there's also a lot of literature that like microplastics are in breast milk now. So like, like it's just kind of figure out what works for you and what helps you be able to sleep at night. Because I think being calm around your child and you know, is thing for them at this point. I was formula fed Similac like 40 years ago. There's pictures of me in drawers.
Whitney Cummings
I slept in a drawer. Yeah, I'm from Missouri.
Unknown
They're fine, the kids are fine.
Camilla Luddington
I was given tea because I'm from England, Whitney. Even though I've lost my accent and I had pictures of me drinking a bottle tea with milk caffeinated at like 1.
Whitney Cummings
Well and also what was the. What did grandma give you? Whiskey.
Camilla Luddington
She gave me a little whiskey now and then.
Unknown
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Well, so you're ahead of it. You already know all the things.
Unknown
No, no, not in this latest. You know, I have no idea what I'm doing, you know, but I think also like you know, but you're curious.
Whitney Cummings
And I think that that's the thing. I think that in parenting, I think whether it's when they're pre verbal or when they're giving you a real run for your money because wow, that whole like little kids, little problems, big kids, big problems. That's true. And I think I actually, speaking of comedians, I was like, wait.
Camilla Luddington
Little kids, little problems, big kids. Don't say that because I'm. Seriously, the problems feel so big because.
Whitney Cummings
She wants to think this is the hard part.
Camilla Luddington
I have a four and a six, a seven year old. Those are small. I'm gonna lose my goddamn mind.
Unknown
I think, though, they say like 10 years is when you have the most impact.
Whitney Cummings
After that, thank God, because I'm going to be Max. No, it's, it's pre adolescence because neurobiologically is when they're then needing to be okay on their own. Because if they're not okay on their own, what's going to happen then? Right. So you've got until then.
Unknown
And they love. And they have to start. Is it called identity differentiation?
Whitney Cummings
Individuation.
Unknown
Individuation. And I don't mean to name drop, but I was on a going somewhere for like a work thing and Mark Wahlberg's wife was there and she was. All my friends with girls are just in dog fights. I don't know. I don't know how you do it. I would never want to be in a fight right now.
Whitney Cummings
It's going well for me, but, I mean, who knows what I'll have, what's in store for me.
Unknown
Totally. And I, I. And she, you know, they just want the opposite of whatever you have. So she, like, has the Chanel purse and so her daughter wants thrift store stuff. It's like, ugh. Brands are like. They just want. But if, if she didn't have something.
Whitney Cummings
Fancy, that's a good problem to have.
Camilla Luddington
She'd want the Chanel.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, exactly.
Unknown
But if you don't have, you want the Chanel, I don't want the thrift store. But, you know, they just want the opposite. There's something that about, like the biological basis for a being so that predators can differentiate you. Like, there's like a deep biological basis for it. That's really kind of. I believe there's a book that has a very creepy title. It's called the Wonder of Girls that has all of this literature in it. But the, the books that I read, Hunt Gather Parent was really helpful about just like letting them explore and figure it out themselves and only interfere when, like, real danger, you know, is around. Was really helpful for me.
Camilla Luddington
You know, that was hot. That's hard for me. I'm not a, I'm, I'm a, I'm a helicopter.
Unknown
Why do you think in England you have such good health care? You don't even have To.
Camilla Luddington
Well, I have, like. I mean, I have trauma. My mom passed when I was younger, and so I. And she passed very suddenly. And so a lot of my. My own comes from, like, anything can happen at any moment. And I'm getting over that. So in order for me to control the situation, you know, I gotta be there. So it's like, yeah, they can go crawl over there, but there's gonna be glass and you won't see it. But I'll see it because, you know, so I'm. I have had to. I'm way better. God bless. O loft. Way, Way, way better with that. But in the early days, it was so hard for me.
Unknown
Yeah.
Camilla Luddington
It's like a baby with a cold would have, like, sent me, like, I. You know, house doctor, er. What. What do I need to do?
Unknown
Sure, sure, sure. I mean, you know, for me, I'm. You know, I read a while back in. Tina Fey had that book called. I think it was in her book, Bossy Pants. It might have been an article. You know, she has that scar and she talked about it, right? Like saying a secret. But what happened? I mean, you know, the story is there's some meth head.
Camilla Luddington
I don't.
Unknown
When she was five, playing outside, a meth head just ran up to her and knifed her in the face. Did you know this story?
Whitney Cummings
No, Jess.
Camilla Luddington
Wow.
Unknown
A child. Oh, my God. I'll cry thinking about it. A child just playing and then ran off like just some crazy drug addict. She says she thought it was like a pen and she didn't know what's happening. And her therapist said to her, like, when Your daughter turns 5, the age that that happened, you might just lose your mind, you know, like, kind of like our bodies are so smart. They just know.
Camilla Luddington
And I had.
Unknown
I've never talked about it because, like, who cares? Everyone's had shit, you know. But when I was a year old, I ate a quaalude from. My dad was like a. You know, cheating on my mom. And it was at some. You know, and I went to the hospital and almost died and came out. And so just as he's turned one, I'm like, I'm just gravel and this and that. I'm actually like, I'm not beating myself up over it. There have been many times I'll look over and he's just, like, about to put a piece of gravel in his mouth. And I'm like. And I'm like, yes. I try to look at neuroses more as superpowers. I think our bodies are Smart, they know what to do. All these things that men call us, crazy, hyper, vigilant, neurotic, obsessed. Like, it all comes in handy as soon as you have a kid. I'm like, you saved their life few times a day. You're like, 100%.
Whitney Cummings
Why don't you call me a hero?
Camilla Luddington
I think that's what's hard, too, is, like, the kids prove that they need saving all the time. They would eat the gravel.
Unknown
Only the anxious survive, you know, And I think it's just a matter of, you know, and I. And I think that, yeah, it's our job to be anxious so that they don't have to be, you know. So I think that, like, forgiving ourselves is, like, a real big one. But it's been so, like, healing and cool to, like, not only be able to have awesome connections with women. Like, you know, I think that being in a job that's really male dominated, there was always this scarcity complex. And I was always like, yeah, like, can we. Can we be friends? Even though, like, I feel like it's always like, me or you, you know? Yeah, I was back in the day with women. There's like, one woman on a lineup. So it's like, came around. You were taking someone else's job. Like, you actually were, you know, and so now it's been so cool to be able to just, like, connect with women that will just DM me on Instagram or come up to me in a grocery store and I'm like, can I have your number? Like, do you want to? You know, like, it's just so cool.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, no, it's. It's definitely the movement. The movement worked. I don't know who started it, but the cool to be kind thing has worked. It's funny. I always ended up working with a lot of women, but now that you were talking and I was thinking about it and I was. I would have modified or from my experience, it was like the modification of, like, there's. There's only room for, like, one hot girl character. There's only room for one funny girl character.
Camilla Luddington
Yeah.
Whitney Cummings
Like, they wanted everybody to be one thing on some kind of angular in some kind of angular way so that whatever you were most likely because the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. If you were the funny one, you're like, I want to be the hot one always.
Unknown
Always. And if you're the hot one, you're.
Whitney Cummings
Like, I wish I was a funny one. Forget the first time I ever got, like, my dream. This will segue nicely into what I would really love to hear about from you. All I ever wanted when I was starting out and I moved out to Los Angeles and started acting was to be on a half hour comedy. That's all I wanted. And I wanted the real, like, situation. Like, not like you hear the laugh track, but you actually hear. Yeah, I wanted that. Like, I just wanted to be Jennifer Aniston. That's what I wanted. I wanted to be the next Jennifer Aniston. And so I tried and tried and tried and I did pilot after pilot that didn't get picked up, and then I ended up landing myself on a drama. And then it was like that drama, then maybe one little comedy in between and then back to another drama.
Unknown
I mean, the only one. I mean.
Whitney Cummings
Exactly, right, exactly. But I remember again, all I wanted was to be like, at the epicenter of some incredibly funny, witty, awesome half hour. And so finally I find myself. I'd been doing that play in New York and I had gone up to 30 Rock to audition for a new NBC half hour. And. And I get picked to network test. I finish my play, I fly out to la. The next day I go to network test, the next day I get the part. It's for Lauren Michaels. It's written by Paula.
Unknown
Hold on. I remember this.
Camilla Luddington
You guys probably auditioned for the same stuff.
Unknown
Yeah, maybe.
Whitney Cummings
Well, the funny part of that one actually was that. Was that Kate Walsh was in the waiting room when I auditioned for that. Who's on Gray's? Not me. So anyways, I get the part and there I am and I'm number one on the call sheet and all my dreams are coming true. I didn't get any of the funny lines. Not one.
Unknown
Well, that's the thing, is, if you're the star, everyone's funny around you. You want to be the funny friend. You want to be second, third, or fourth on the call sheet.
Whitney Cummings
Everyone else was funny.
Unknown
You're the straight.
Camilla Luddington
That sucks.
Whitney Cummings
I was there to deliver the chicken platter.
Unknown
Yeah, no, you're the exposition person.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, I told the story. And then everyone else did a divorce.
Unknown
A couple years ago. Like you're that person.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, exactly. I lee. I tee up the joke, but Martin Mole played my dad and Sharon Glass played my mom. Chris Parnell was in it. My sister had all the laughs. And then we had this tiny little, like Chris Parnell said, a friend of mine, you know, she's. She's from. I can't remember if it was Groundlings or Second City, but a friend of mine, she's she's out here in LA and she's really trying really hard and like, do you think we could give her a little part? And everybody was like, yeah, of course, of course, of course. So she played like a model booker and she literally, her line was like next or something like that. And it was Kristen Wiig.
Camilla Luddington
No.
Unknown
Yeah, yeah.
Whitney Cummings
And then she went that, that it must have been like the season for her to then go to New York where she then started and she got a regular, she became a series regular and she started. And I remember watching that season and being like, I think that girl was on the show.
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Wild.
Whitney Cummings
Meanwhile, we got canceled after 6 of the 12 episodes we were supposed to make.
Camilla Luddington
Good times.
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Well, you have no secrets to keep on fast friends. But, but tell us what you're, Tell us what it is. Tell us what you're doing. What's, what's happening.
Unknown
Well look, I mean, you know, once you, I don't have to tell you have kids, you're kind of like, I guess I need to make something my son can watch eventually.
Whitney Cummings
Yes, I feel that strongly like oh.
Unknown
I gotta get all this stuff offline. Like I've worked so hard to do like six stand up specials. I'm about to my seven. Then you're just like, oh God, I really want people to watch this until my son's able to watch it. And, and you know, I was just really in a place where like I had, you know, got sober. Both my parents had passed away kind of just like awfully and, and then I was pregnant and just finally got some time to think. Honestly like I've really struggled with workaholism and you know, the busy addiction of just like, you know, keeping busy at all costs, and I have to be alone with my own thoughts or intermodal or unrecovered codependence of, like, okay, let me just, like, fix everyone around me and, like, be everyone. You know, mother, micromanage, martyr, myself everywhere. And. And then I had some time alone with myself and I was like, you know, I really feel. And I was, you know, working on shows and. Which I'm still. There's a couple TV things I'm going to do next year. But at the time tv, I was like, I feel like comedy stop being funny. That doesn't mean they're not good. Like, the bear and baby reindeer are amazing, but, like, I'm not, like, laughing out loud, you know? Yeah. Entertainment kind of stopped being entertaining. It started being preachy and luxury and not all of it, obviously, but there was, like, agendas behind everything and, you know, which is, again, fine. You know, But I was like, can we just, like, make people laugh? Like, why are we lecturing people how to vote? Like, I don't. Why are we. Why did I leave this movie? And now I feel bad about climate change. Like, I feel like there's not that much entertainment where there's just, like, going to make you laugh. That's all we're going to do. We're not going to tell you how to vote. We're not going to lecture you on anything. And, you know, I really want to be a part of something that brought people together instead of divided them. Where, you know, I think most things, like, they want. You know, you have. You watch a show and then you end it with, like, that's not what I thought. Oh, that's what you said. Oh, you think? You know, there was just so much. Everything felt so divisive. Of course.
Camilla Luddington
Simplify it.
Unknown
The election happened. Of course. I just wanted to make something that, like, three generations of people could sit down and all watch together and.
Camilla Luddington
Yeah.
Unknown
Not be, like, drama. And so to me, I was like, okay. I feel like nobody agrees on anything anymore. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that, like, Friends was a good show. So they just came to me kind of randomly and, you know, and asked me. And instead of overthinking it, I don't have to tell you, Jessica, like, there is a time where, like, if you wanted to act, you could not host. You. Yeah, yeah. If you hosted, it was over, you know, and you couldn't do anything. Like, they came to me for, like, Dancing with the Stars. I was like, that sounds so fun. And they're like, no, no, you can't do that. Or like, it's over and you're okay. So there were all these rules before and then now it's like we're all just Nick Cannon. We can all just do anything. You know, once I saw the Banks hosting like, yeah, match Game or something. All right, let's go.
Camilla Luddington
Like, I agree and I'm glad, by the way, because I feel like we are multi hyphenate and we can do all the things. So let us do it.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, let us do it without it.
Camilla Luddington
Being a Glock to something else.
Unknown
It didn't occur to me also that things could be fun and good. I always thought things had to be hard and, and painful in order for them to be good. And I had this sort of like, come to, you know, Jesus moment where I was like, wait a second, like, especially with getting some mental health help, I always felt like, oh, I won't be as funny, you know, interesting. I'm not broken. I won't be as funny if I'm happy and in love and in a good relationship, you know. And so I also was like, oh, this won't be.
Whitney Cummings
Because it's the material. I mean, it's, it's the fuel, right? On some level, because it's this, it's. It's what you have, which is this incredible mind and this incredible acuity and feel for humor and what is funny. And then you're going out into the world and you're bumping up against all these things where you're seeing like that, oh, that piece and that piece, that piece. And then you're putting them all together. Because, I mean, listen, I'm, I'm not just saying this because I don't just say stuff. Stand up is hard. Oh, like it's the craziest ever. And, and I, as far as I'm concerned, if you can do that, yeah.
Camilla Luddington
You can do everything.
Whitney Cummings
Anything.
Camilla Luddington
Yeah.
Whitney Cummings
And you could fly around as wherever.
Unknown
You, wherever you would like. I really appreciate that. But I'm also, I just, I can't totally receive that because if you come from a certain thing, it's harder to not stand up's not that hard. It's like when you like grew up needing to like make alcoholics laugh. It's just second n nature. I'm not saying it's like, I think it's hard for people that don't have that kind of trauma. If you do, you're like, it's, it's so much harder to not be on stage right Right.
Camilla Luddington
So interesting.
Unknown
Am I love? Do I matter? You're literally like, do I, Do I matter? Am I complete piece of garbage? You know, and then you go on stage, you're like, okay, all right. And like until twin. Just counting the hours to the next time you do it. But the healthy you get, the harder it becomes. I'll say that.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've heard, I've heard, I've heard quite a few people say, Say that, you.
Unknown
Know, and I think that it's, it's. I think there's also a. I also thought, oh, it'll get easier the more I do it. It definitely does in some ways in terms of like, I'm better at writing jokes. Clear. But it doesn't, you know, I don't have to tell both of you. Like, the more successful you get, sort of the higher the bar gets in a weird way.
Camilla Luddington
And of course, more scrutiny and all of it.
Unknown
Yes. And the kind of pressure to be like clever and original and different kind of changes and, and look, I'm not. I've never played like the girl card of like, you know, stand up's harder because you're a girl and da, da, da. Like, it's, you know, it's weird that it's a male dominated business. I've always found this weird because, like, it is a female skill. Like you're, you're like going on stage, like talking about your feelings and you're like complaining about your. That's our thing. That's. That's our thing. You want moms on set. They know how to diffuse conflict. They move fast. They know how to manage their time. Like when there's a drama, moms are just like, do you need a water?
Whitney Cummings
That's the thing is that I think that, like, I don't know, I mean, I feel like entertainment is, is the most interesting to talk about being like that.
Unknown
Yeah.
Whitney Cummings
And yet I have aunts that are lawyers and judges. I have friends that are in business. And I mean. Yeah, same. Different shovel. Oh, yeah.
Unknown
I don't, I don't know another. I mean, doctors for sure. But sometimes I'm like, wait, so we. This is a thing. If you're an actress, I don't have to tell you this. Or you're the crew. Like, you do have to get there at 6am you're in makeup for two women have to be there longer because to be on camera and grout and special effects to be attractive and then you're there six in the morning, sometimes till like 11 at night. I Mean, it is a wild amount of time. So my thing is always just like, let's like, does anyone need this much in craft service? Like, can we. Can we just add a couple days to the schedule? Can we add a week to the schedule? Like, what is this, like, time crunch? Let's just, like, spend the money a little differently so that we can have childcare at work and people can go home at school.
Camilla Luddington
That would be a dream.
Unknown
People die driving home to Santa Clarita, like, because that's the other thing is actors, when we rap, everyone else is still has to drive home. And they don't live in Beverly. They have to drive an hour, they have to drive two hours, you know, so that's what a lot of these strikes are. Have been about, which is like, you can't. You don't count my out time as when I left. It should be when I get home so I can actually get that eight hours of sleep turnaround, you know? So I just think that, like, it's like, when people like, how come women don't play football? Because it's dumb. And we know it's dumb.
Whitney Cummings
I mean, I'm a little bit more straight about this stuff because. Because I'm a little bit like, I preach, like, there is no balance.
Unknown
Yeah. In any of them, totally.
Whitney Cummings
On any given day, I'm gonna have been a better mom than I was a worker in whatever I'm working on. And on other days, I work and I come home to kids who forgot the eight consecutive days in which I was there for every single second. And we're like, you were gone. Oh, yeah, of course. I'm like, right.
Unknown
I was. And you know what?
Whitney Cummings
I also never say, I never apologize for going to work, but I very strongly.
Camilla Luddington
Actually, you taught me that. And I never do. Don't ever apologize.
Whitney Cummings
I do not say, I'm so sorry that I have to go to work, and I'm so sorry I have to leave you to go to work.
Unknown
I.
Whitney Cummings
Well, I'm lucky because I love my job. Not every single day, but I, for the most part, love my job. And I'm so grateful that I do and that I'm able to find my place in it, that looking at my kid and being like, I'm so sorry, would send exactly the wrong message. Because, of course, I'm always sorry to leave them. I love being with them. I want to smush their little faces all day long. But I gotta go to work. And I go to work for lots of reasons. It's not a volunteer job. I'm compensated for my job. I create value, and my job, I bring home the value.
Unknown
We can't apologize to girls if we haven't done anything wrong. Because the epidemic of women apologizing. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm like, what is like, It's. I work. I had to do a 30 days. No apologizing unless you did something wrong. Because I was, like, pathological. Sorry, Sorry. I would run into someone and be like. Or they'd run into me and I'd be like, I'm so sorry I was in your way. Like, I just, you know, it's something that I think that we, like, do to make ourselves feel small or whatever it is. But that's cool. That's real. That's. That's gnarly. But 4 and 6, that's kind of. That's young, young, young.
Whitney Cummings
She's 4 and 7.
Camilla Luddington
In the trenches, baby. I'm in the trenches.
Whitney Cummings
In the trenches.
Camilla Luddington
It's okay, though.
Whitney Cummings
I can't wait to watch your show. I know, because I'm a big Friends fan.
Camilla Luddington
So let's tell the. Listen. I want you to tell a listener the Friends.
Unknown
It's like. It's like Amazing Race, but on the set of Friends, like, Friends trivia. Like, everyone that I've shown it to because I've watched, like, cuts, because of doing, like, voiceover or whatever, they're, like, involved and engaged and, you know, it's like, it's pure fun, pure bliss. No politics, no nothing triggering nothing. You know, just.
Camilla Luddington
And where can they watch it?
Unknown
On Max.
Camilla Luddington
Max. And when does it air? What's the first air date?
Unknown
19Th of December.
Camilla Luddington
All right, Winnie, thank you so much.
Unknown
Thanks. Oh, my God.
Whitney Cummings
Thank you so much for coming on.
Camilla Luddington
And talking about all the things with us.
Whitney Cummings
Come on.
Unknown
Again, thanks for making the time. I would love to.
Camilla Luddington
Of course, of course. Thank you so much.
Unknown
Nice to meet you, Camilla. Good to see you again, Jessica.
Camilla Luddington
I really am a huge Friends fan, and I will be trying to win this from my couch.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah, I know. I didn't. Well, there's a winning. There's a winning component.
Camilla Luddington
It's so interesting. I. I love. I. I do love it when new mamas, you know, you hear them talk as she's a year into this whole parenting situation and they come out and they're already pretty confident.
Whitney Cummings
I know.
Camilla Luddington
Do you know what I mean? Like, I love it when I'm like. Because I remember just being so clueless still, I want to say, like, I was not feeling it great until almost three, and then I was like, Okay. I think I'm in some sort of rhythm. I don't even know if it's the right rhythm. But she's so fun.
Whitney Cummings
Yeah. She's so funny and such a quick mind and I love this. Just all the self awareness. I know. I, I feel like I came out parenting like with really strong and very sort of like binary ideas about how things had to be. It was kind of like when I came out with the voice that you do for me when I found out about the picture. I sound like the cookie monster.
Unknown
You can't do. You can do this. Yeah.
Whitney Cummings
I feel like I, when I first started this whole, this whole, this whole shenanigan called parenting, I was a little more like this is the right way, this is the wrong way. And I definitely feel like I have learned that there is a spectrum and I, I love. I don't know, maybe a couple years ago I heard this be said by a dear friend, but it's the idea that you have strong convictions. Yeah, I like real loose, just like fall through your fingers. That's how loose you're holding. Fall right through. If they're not serving you, they're gonna fall right out. So you can catch her show on Thursdays on Max Fast friends.
Camilla Luddington
And so let's call it the end of the episode.
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Podcast Summary: "Call It with Whitney Cummings"
Podcast Title: Call It What It Is
Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
Episode: Call It with Whitney Cummings
Release Date: January 6, 2025
In the January 6, 2025 episode of Call It What It Is, hosted by Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington, Whitney Cummings joins as a special guest. The episode delves deep into Whitney's journey as a comedian, her experiences navigating motherhood, and the intricate balance between personal life and career ambitions. The conversation is candid, enriched with humor, and provides insightful perspectives on modern friendships, parenting, and the entertainment industry.
Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington open the episode by highlighting their longstanding friendship and introducing Whitney Cummings with enthusiasm.
The trio emphasizes the strength of their bond, setting a warm and inviting tone for the discussion.
A significant portion of the episode centers around the complexities of modern parenting, particularly focusing on birthday celebrations and familial expectations.
The conversation navigates through the pressures of organizing elaborate birthday parties versus more intimate and meaningful celebrations.
This segues into discussions about parenting styles influenced by personal beliefs and societal norms.
Notable Insight: Whitney shares her struggles with balancing high expectations for her children's milestones while maintaining her own mental well-being.
Whitney delves into her career trajectory, highlighting the challenges she faced in the male-dominated world of comedy and television.
She recounts her experiences auditioning for roles and the often humorous yet frustrating realities of the industry.
Notable Quote: Whitney reflects on the paradox of achieving her dream role but not getting to showcase her comedic talents effectively.
The discussion shifts to the delicate act of juggling motherhood with professional aspirations, a topic that resonates deeply with many listeners.
Whitney emphasizes the importance of not apologizing for pursuing a career while embracing her role as a mother.
Whitney opens up about her personal struggles, including workaholism, sobriety, and the impact of past traumas on her present life.
She discusses the transformative journey of seeking mental health support and the liberation found in self-forgiveness.
Notable Insight: Whitney highlights how her anxieties have become assets in her parenting, allowing her to anticipate and respond to her children's needs effectively.
The trio explores the gender disparities within the entertainment industry, debating the notion that certain skills are inherently feminine or masculine.
They discuss the stereotypes and systemic challenges women face in gaining equal footing in comedic roles and behind-the-scenes positions.
As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on the shared experiences and the strength drawn from their friendship. Whitney encapsulates her desire to create inclusive and entertaining content that bridges generational gaps without delving into divisive topics.
The conversation closes on a hopeful note, celebrating the multifaceted roles women play in both their personal and professional lives.
Whitney Cummings [07:15]:
"So if I invited you to my birthday dinner on August 9th... would that be weird to you?"
Whitney Cummings [29:43]:
"Everyone else was funny. I was there to deliver the chicken platter."
Whitney Cummings [42:36]:
"I do not say, I'm so sorry that I have to go to work, and I'm so sorry I have to leave you to work."
Whitney Cummings [26:30]:
"It's the anxious survive, you know, And I think it's just a matter of... [I] think that it's our job to be anxious so that they don't have to be."
Whitney Cummings [36:28]:
"I'm really grateful that I do and that I'm able to find my place in it... I just don't want to make something that divided people."
This episode of Call It What It Is offers a heartfelt exploration of Whitney Cummings' life, blending humor with raw honesty. Listeners gain valuable insights into the pressures of parenting, the resilience required in the entertainment industry, and the enduring power of female friendships. The conversation serves as both an entertainment piece and a source of inspiration for those navigating similar life challenges.