Furry Skims, Ageless Skin and a Tacky Christmas Trend?

Summary

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Call It What It Is – "Furry Skims, Ageless Skin and a Tacky Christmas Trend?"

Podcast: Call It What It Is
Date: October 31, 2025
Hosts: Jessica Capshaw & Camilla Luddington

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, real-life best friends and Grey Sloan Memorial alums Jessica Capshaw and Camilla Luddington dive into the week’s wildest trending topics. From Kim Kardashian’s viral furry Skims thongs to the social media spectacle of “Group 7” and the latest Christmas décor wars, the duo brings their signature humor, candid honesty, and chemistry. Alongside playful banter, they explore serious questions about beauty standards, cosmetic procedures in Hollywood, and nostalgic traditions, with plenty of memorable quips along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Furry Skims" Thongs Craze (03:09–09:38)

• Initial Reactions:
  • Camilla introduces Kim Kardashian’s latest Skims drop: a thong underwear line featuring faux pubic hair, expressing disbelief that it was real and not just a PR stunt.
  • Jessica shares her shock at hearing the news at work, likening it to a “core memory” (05:00) and laughs about the absurdity of faux pubes on thongs:

    “Like thongs that have pubic hair on them should be something that you find out in an intimate setting.” — Jessica (05:05)

• Product Specifics:
  • Camilla highlights the twelve different hair textures and shades offered, drawing a tongue-in-cheek comparison to shade-matching foundation (04:12, 05:47).
  • Both speculate about the need for a “3D visual” try-on tool, echoing furniture shopping tech (07:07).
• Cultural Trends:
  • Discussion moves to the cyclicality of body hair trends, referencing “the return to the ‘70s bush”:

    "We went big bush... we moved into no bush. Now... we've gone full circle." — Jessica (08:38)

• Memorable Moment:
  • The two riff about gifting the right “hair texture” for Valentine’s:

    “Is there a shade matcher? And what if you want to wear that, and your husband... is like, I’m not sure that was the right texture for you.” — Camilla (05:47)

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2. Ageless Skin and Hollywood Facelifts (09:38–14:40)

• Industry Observations:
  • Camilla notes a spike in chatter about Hollywood stars getting facelifts, pondering the paradox of changing the looks that made one famous (09:38).
  • Jessica suggests most actors see it as “preservation,” not change:

    “I think all the efforts are about preservation, isn’t it? Staying young.” — Jessica (10:17)

• Risks & Trends:
  • The risk of looking unnatural is high; Camilla jokes about celebrities ending up with “White Walker” eyes after eyelid surgery (blepharoplasty/blessoplasty):

    “I think it opens some people’s eyes up so much they look like a White Walker looking into your soul.” — Camilla (12:31)

• Scrutiny and Value:
  • They discuss public scrutiny, especially when procedures go wrong, and link it to K*ris Jenner’s openly discussed facelift and the social signaling of “facelift pricing” (14:40).

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3. The Group 7 TikTok Phenomenon (15:30–21:13)

• Social Media FOMO:
  • Camilla explains the viral “Group 7” video assignment trend, her initial excitement-then-disappointment on being misassigned, and Jessica reveals she’s (of course) in Group 7.
  • Camilla bemoans the existence of Group 7 meetups and brand deals, while she’s stuck in Group 4.
  • Jessica deadpans:

    “It’s just like skibidi. It doesn’t mean anything. It’s not real.” — Jessica (16:48)

• Cultural Touchstone:
  • Jessica shares going on “Live with Kelly Ripa,” celebrating their shared Group 7 status and the real-life meetups, highlighting how digital trends spill offline (20:28).

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4. The "Mall World" Collective Dream Trend (21:18–24:19)

• Viral Dream Sharing:
  • Camilla introduces the “Mall World” TikTok/Redit trend—total strangers believing they’ve shared the same dream about a maze-like, empty mall world.
  • Jessica is skeptical and jokes about it devolving into alien conspiracy:

    “This is going to end in aliens.” — Jessica (23:12)

• Debate:
  • The two spar endearingly, with Camilla wanting to believe in the phenomenon and Jessica not buying it, asking listeners to “prove it” (24:07).

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5. Ralph Lauren Christmas vs. “Tacky” Christmas (24:19–31:41)

• Decor Wars:
  • Camilla and Jessica discuss the "Ralph Lauren Christmas" aesthetic: deep greens, jewel tones, velvet/plaid, natural/organic markup vs. the “Millennial Gray” home issue.
  • Jessica’s rules: pick one plaid, no mixing, wrap all presents (no gift bags!), keep the color scheme tight (26:13, 27:42).
• Nostalgic Trees:
  • Camilla shares her affection for colorful, mismatched 90’s trees, which social media has branded “tacky Christmas”—she pushes for a rebrand to “nostalgic Christmas” (30:35).
  • Jessica notes adults always want white lights, but kids love color, and she resists the idea that you can’t make Ralph Lauren Christmas work with colored lights (31:28).

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6. Hot Take: Trunk or Treat (34:53–36:19)

• Halloween Modernization:
  • Camilla drops her dislike for "trunk or treat" (decorating car trunks for trick-or-treating).
  • Jessica hadn’t heard of it; Camilla critiques it for killing the “classic” Halloween experience:

    “You’re not getting that, like, knock, knock, knock... memory of it.” — Camilla (35:41)

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7. Adult Costuming and Halloween Parenting (36:19–43:41)

• Costume Confessions:
  • Both discuss their own (reluctant or enthusiastic) participation in adult costumes. Camilla bought high-end replica ruby slippers, while Jessica defaults to “cat ears and whiskers.”
  • Parenting anecdotes on kids demanding “daytime” and “nighttime” costumes, compared to wedding outfit changes (38:09).
  • Jessica jokes about her karma for past “sexy” costumes and braces for the day her daughter requests a “sexy vampire” costume (40:19).
• Memorable Mishap:
  • Camilla’s embarrassing “HEROES” (misspelled "HEREOs") cheerleader costume story provides a hilarious highlight:

    “I spelled heroes wrong… I wore that all night waiting on tables.” — Camilla (42:04)

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Notable Quotes & Moments by Timestamp

• On Skims Faux Pubic Hair Underwear:
  “We spend all this time and money getting hair taken off our bodies, and Kim has decided that we need it back on our bodies…” — Jessica (03:14)
• Core Memory:
  "This was evidently a very important thing that happened in my life." — Jessica (04:57)
• On Facelifts:
  "The face that you have made you famous ... so it's really bonkers to some people that you would change it, right?" — Camilla (10:00)
• Beauty Surgery Nerves:
  "I don't like the permanence of it. And I don't like that I would not be able to hide." — Jessica (13:53)
• On Christmas Aesthetics:
  "According to social media, it's called a tacky Christmas, Jess." — Camilla (30:27)
  "I think that's a wrong name for it though... I think it needs to be rebranded." — Jessica (30:43)
• On Halloween Costume Fails:
  “I spelled heroes wrong… I wore that all night waiting on tables.” — Camilla (42:04)
• On Best Friend Vibes:
  "You're so my bestie. You know me so well." — Jessica (37:39)

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Timestamps for Key Topics

• Furry Skims Thong Trend: 03:09–09:38
• Facelifts & Hollywood Aging: 09:38–14:40
• TikTok "Group 7" Assignment: 15:30–21:13
• Mall World Dream Trend: 21:18–24:19
• Ralph Lauren vs Tacky Christmas: 24:19–31:41
• Trunk or Treat Rant: 34:53–36:19
• Adult Costumes, Parenting & Halloween Blunders: 36:19–43:41

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Tone & Chemistry

True to form, Jessica and Camilla’s friendship radiates through whip-smart banter, friendly ribbing, and supportive exchanges (“You know me so well,” “Of course you are!”). Their commentary is warm, irreverently funny, and peppered with cultural insights, making complex (and ridiculous) trends approachable.

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For Listeners: What You’ll Get

• A playful yet thoughtful analysis of wild social trends and aesthetic shifts
• Personal anecdotes and humility about beauty pressures and parenting
• Friendship goals in action—a thousand pep talks and a million “I’ve got you" moments, with plenty of laughter along the way

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Transcript

[Camille Ludington]

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[Camille Ludington]

Call it what it is with Jessica Capshaw and Camille Ludington.

[Jessica Capshaw]

An iHeartRadio pod.

[Camille Ludington]

Well, hello, hello, hello, hello, Call it crew. And welcome to another episode of call it what it is. Trending topics.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Thong underwear with pubic hair.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, we're diving right into skims.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's what we're doing. That's because there's really. There's nothing that you can say before it. That means anything. So we. We spend all this time and money getting hair taken off of our bodies, and Kim has decided that we need it back on our bodies, but not just back on.

[Camille Ludington]

Like, we're gonna pay $32 to. To have it back on the body. We've had multiple conversations over the past, like, week about this.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I thought it was a joke. When you first heard it, did you think it was real or did you think it was a joke?

[Camille Ludington]

I thought it was like a stunt, you know, like a stunt sell. And, like, look at me.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Look at me.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, yeah. Just to, like, I get it. Like, get some press out there for skims. Right. But I thought, like, no one's gonna be buying this. Right? Like, absolutely nobody. It's sold out. It was sold out within hours. And there's a wait list.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You found me out.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

How many did you got a wall?

[Camille Ludington]

Did you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, you got a wall.

[Camille Ludington]

Did you know that there are 12 different hair textures and shades?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, I did, because I. I did the same homework that you did, so I did know that.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, let's.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I wondered if my own body makes 12 different shades is what I actually wondered because it seems like a very specific number. So maybe someone did some research and they found out that we all have 12 different shades of hair down there. And so this was actually really an attempt to get it right.

[Camille Ludington]

Well, I. I appreciate whatever research.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Can I tell you where I was?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Can I tell you where I was when I found out about and thought.

[Camille Ludington]

It was a joke?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. You know how really important things that happen, you always remember where you were when it happened.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

This was evidently a very important thing that happened in my life.

[Camille Ludington]

Core memory, like, inside out.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, because it feels like. Like. Like thongs that have pubic hair on them. Should be something that you find out in an intimate setting.

[Camille Ludington]

Sure. Or it's a.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's an intimate item at the very least. I was at work. I was sitting around the cash chairs. Yeah. And Wannie said, hey. And she said it, and I. I thought it was a joke. She said, wow. I don't even remember exactly what she said, but she said something like, skims is making thong underwear. That has Pubic hair on the front of it. Oh, they're not.

[Camille Ludington]

Wearing instantly. Were you, like, hang on.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I told you, I ordered them all. It was breaking news. I was there first. You all snooze and loft. You lose.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, I. I have been thinking about this for a week because I do know, right? There's different shades, there's different textures. You know when you're, like, buying foundation and you need to go find your match? Like, I'm wondering if you go to skims, is there some sort of, like, hey, I don't know what I am. Like, is there like a shade matcher? Like a hair shade matcher? And then what that process really looks like? Because what if you want to wear that? Like, it's a great Valentine reveal, and then your husband or your boyfriend or whoever is like, I'm not sure that was the right texture for you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I've been thinking. Honestly, I don't. I don't know. I just. I just don't know.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, let me. I'm going to ask you a question.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I also want to know, like. Okay, but I also just. Just because you're talking about shade, let's just finish this round it out with. There's shade, the color of it.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But then I also, you know how, like, sometimes they will show. They'll do the thing where they can, like, show you. Like, show me this in a room so you get, like, the proportions, like, the size of it, Right?

[Camille Ludington]

Are you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Wait, hang on, hang on.

[Camille Ludington]

Are you talking about. Are you talking. Wait, Jess, are you talking the 3D visual? Like, if you want, like, a new rug, you can put the 3D visual in the room, see if it matches. You're wondering if they have a 3D visual for the songs, the merkin. Oh, yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's exactly what I'm wondering. So you can see where it comes to. Goes to just how it fits. How it fits.

[Camille Ludington]

That is absolutely amazing. I hope that Kim is listening right now.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Please add it to the. Add it to the website. Well, she's already sold out of them, so she's not trying to sell.

[Camille Ludington]

She's already sold out. She doesn't need the 3D. She doesn't need the 3D. I need it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, no, no. But it's the ultimate bush. So also, you know, it made me think about the fact that there's trend. Well, obviously we're talking about trending topics here today, but, you know, I mean, back in the 70s, a big bush was where it was at.

[Camille Ludington]

It was. It was where it was at.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Right.

[Camille Ludington]

If you if you were told like in order to save the world, you have to purchase one, be honest, would you go for curly hair or straight? But also I, I, to be honest, like, I don't like how straight is straight. Like it's a, it's a, like an, it's like a straightening iron sort of situation. I don't know. I'm just have. How silky is it? Okay. What are you buying the world?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Texture and like touch. Oh, yeah. Feels like, I don't know, you need.

[Camille Ludington]

A hands on moment with them before you'd pick.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah. But you know, they're saying it is like a return to the 70s. So I guess my, my, I guess my point in just saying any of this is like we've gone full circle. We went big bush, we moved into no bush. Yeah. Now there's, there was also like a skinny bush. I mean, I don't even know what a skinny bush would be. What like a different size?

[Camille Ludington]

Like a GLP1 bush?

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, but I mean like maybe I don't think you can even have a skinny brush because they are two opposing ideas.

[Camille Ludington]

Right. Skinny and bushy. I don't know. Maybe it's a section. It's just one section. Like a lawn. You know what I mean? Like to the side.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, here's what I have to say to just finish up this.

[Camille Ludington]

Sure.

[Jessica Capshaw]

These thoughts is that it worked. It sold out in minutes.

[Camille Ludington]

And she's genius. Clearly she's genius.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. And also I love that she said it was, it was fun. It was like a fun silly idea. And so there. And here we are.

[Camille Ludington]

They're flying off the shelves.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yep.

[Camille Ludington]

All right, the next thing I want to talk about is a lot of chatter to do with our particular industry on facelifts in the last like I don't know, 10 days. I feel like it's just been a lot like Hollywood actors getting a facelift. Here's the first thing I want to say. I, I heard this really interesting point that someone made and it's like the face that you have made you famous is what got you cast and is right. The thing that's very recognizable on you. So it's really bonkers to some people change it that you would change it. Right. Like that is the face.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But do you think that they think they're changing? And I think that they think that they're keeping it the way it was. I think all the efforts are about preservation, isn't it? Staying young. Yeah, preservation, like, but like hitting pause, just like stopping that moment. So I think I Think that. They think. Whoever's doing this, they think that they're keeping the face that made them famous, and they don't. They don't know. It's a real gamble.

[Camille Ludington]

It is a real gamble. I have a theory that might be a little bit, like, controversial, I think.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I'm not surprised.

[Camille Ludington]

I do think that you avoid the upper bluff. I think.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Now, for those who don't know what that is. I mean, I do, because you keep calling it. You keep being like, the. The upper bluff. The upper bluff.

[Camille Ludington]

Everybody knows what the upper left is. If you're.

[Jessica Capshaw]

They don't. They don't. I didn't.

[Camille Ludington]

So you didn't know what the apple bluff was?

[Jessica Capshaw]

No.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, for God's sakes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

What's it stand for? What's the whole word Blephar? What is the whole word blepharostomy?

[Camille Ludington]

Blepharoma. I have no idea.

[Jessica Capshaw]

A technical plastic surgery.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, wait, hang on.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I.

[Camille Ludington]

Heart sweeping in. What is it? Okay, Jessica, it's a. What is the actual full name? Blephar plasti.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Blepharoplasty.

[Camille Ludington]

A blessoplasty.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And. Okay, so say what it is.

[Camille Ludington]

It says it's a removal of, like, excess skin on the other side.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Right.

[Camille Ludington]

That sounds sexual to me. A little bit.

[Jessica Capshaw]

An eye job.

[Camille Ludington]

Sure. It's more of, like, a removal of the upper skin. Right. That doesn't sound sexual. That doesn't sound sexual. Here's. Here's what I think happens, though. I think, first off, hooded eyelids are. I don't know why people are getting rid of hooded eyelids. I think they're, like, so gorgeous on people. But I think that there's a trend steering away from, like, the hooded eyelid. But I think that it opens some people's eyes up so much that they look like a white walker looking into your soul. You know what I'm talking about, Jazz?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, I do.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Like, you might get, like, demon.

[Jessica Capshaw]

A little K pop demon hunters before they suck it out 100.

[Camille Ludington]

You don't need to come out looking possessed.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, but this is. This is the gamble that I don't understand. Because if. Okay, that's why it's so strange. I think the exact opposite of what I think other people are thinking. I think that if you're in the public eye, you should not do it. I think that you. You run way too high a risk of getting it wrong. And, you know, there are people now who are really well known for it, and. And they're talked about, and I wonder if they know that they are, I think 100.

[Camille Ludington]

That they know that they are. And then they kind of. And then the problem is I feel like you. What damage control do you do? I have. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

How do you undo it?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. I think that there is an age also where, like, it does sort of reverse time, but I think if you do it too early, it actually just gives. It almost ages you because it almost looks like, oh, you got a facelift. Does that make sense? I think that it's not. I think that there's a certain age where it, like, doesn't do what we're all, to be honest, hoping it does. Listen, if I could do. Go do something that made me like 25 again, I don't know if I would do it, actually.

[Jessica Capshaw]

There's a point where I'm telling you, I'm just scared.

[Camille Ludington]

Yes.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't like the permanence of it.

[Camille Ludington]

I don't like it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And I don't like that I would not be able to hide.

[Camille Ludington]

No, it is.

[Jessica Capshaw]

So I'd have to go to work with whatever it was that I decided.

[Camille Ludington]

Whatever it happened, and, like, just hold.

[Jessica Capshaw]

My head up high. Like, I hadn't done a thing with.

[Camille Ludington]

Your head up high. What if you were botched?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. And I had to. Okay, well, that's what I'm saying. And I, But I, But I would, you know, I wouldn't you just try to remain normal when you just try to act like it hadn't happened?

[Camille Ludington]

Well, I think. Yes, you would. Of course you do. But I think also, like, there's so much scrutiny on how everyone looks in the industry that, like, it's, it's all. It's a vicious cycle, right. Of, like, scrutiny on how you look. Then you feel self conscious. Maybe you want to tweak something. Now that looks different. Now there's scrutiny on that.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't know, it's got to be a domino effect. But, you know, Kris Jenner very publicly talked about the facelift that she got this summer, and then everyone was talking about the doctor that did it. And I, I mean, it was published that, you know, how expensive the doctor was and everything else. And I. And then I started thinking, wow, this is crazy, right? Because if it's. If you know how much it is for someone like Kris Jenner to go get a facelift, then does anything less than that seem like you're getting a facelift on sale? Does it seem like a discount facelift?

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[Jessica Capshaw]

Are people assigning value to how much it costs?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, of course.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Are you only spending how much you have, like, how does getting. How do you find the doctors again? It all just seems like a really, really risky situation.

[Camille Ludington]

It does. I have a question for you.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

I feel like I know the answer and the answer is going to annoy me instantly.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Can't wait for this.

[Camille Ludington]

Are you in group seven?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I am.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh my God. I knew you would be. I did. So of course you are. Can I tell you what happened to me? I was seeing all the. I was like, what's group seven? And then I thought that I got assigned group seven. And I was like, oh my God.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Like awkward.

[Camille Ludington]

I'm in group seven. I realized it was a repost. Which doesn't count. You have to come across the original. Okay, so it's Sophia James. Okay. She posted the seven videos. A social experiment, right? Like a seven videos. She numbered them group one through seven and seven got whoever ended up in seven. Like for some reason it's taken off and it's like the it group of the assignment. I didn't come across one of Sophia James's own original videos. I. I came across a repost. I thought I was assigned seven. I was like, that makes sense. Of course you got your hopes up. Got my hopes up. Was really like enjoying the discourse around it. Realized it was a repost. Came across her group four.

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[Jessica Capshaw]

It's okay.

[Camille Ludington]

I don't know what upset about it. It's just like 6, 7.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's just like skibidi. It doesn't mean anything. It's not real.

[Camille Ludington]

Here's the thing. Here's the crazy part.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

People in Group 7 are getting brand deals. Jessica.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Wait, do I. Who do I need to call?

[Camille Ludington]

I don't know. I'm not going to give you the names at all.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No.

[Camille Ludington]

Group four needs some brand deals. You guys. It's feeling. It's honestly stressed me out this week.

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[Jessica Capshaw]

I went to go do live with Kelly Ripa and Mark Consuelos.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

This past week and we did a funny little tick tock where Kelly and I are in group seven. We're so excited and we're celebrating over celebrating likely. Mark, not so much.

[Camille Ludington]

He's not in a group. He's not in a group.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's very what happens when you're not.

[Camille Ludington]

I think it's like oh, oh, oh, oh my God. Jessica, wait. Also in Los Angeles, they had a Group 7 meetup at like a bar and everyone that was in group seven met up and they're, like, making all these like, social videos of them having the time of their lives.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, it's.

[Camille Ludington]

It's actually incredible. It is a. It should be studied. But I don't understand where. Group four, meeting. I haven't gotten the invite.

[Jessica Capshaw]

We're meeting. We're gonna have to. We're gonna have to figure that one out. Okay, moving on.

[Camille Ludington]

Yes. Oh, I love this one.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Can you tell me about it? Cause I don't get it.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay. I can't wait to talk about this. This is very Camilla. Like, chef's kiss. Okay, so complete strangers on the Internet are connecting. They're bonding over having the same dream. And we're talking about Mall World. Have you not heard about this at all?

[Jessica Capshaw]

No. No.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay. It's really crazy. It's this viral trend on TikTok and Reddit. People are dreaming of the same place, and basically it's this maze, like, indoor world of malls, and it's all connected to, like, different things. So. So it's empty, right? And then there's, like, an airport, and then there's an amusement park. That's another part of it. And it's really taken off because this girl was like, I dream almost about going to this mall, and everyone's like, wait, I go to that same mall in my dreams. And then she made this huge, like, poster of. Of, like. And she drew out the world, and people are like, oh, my God. That's where I go. And so really, though, Jessica, that just wound me up because I'm so excited about Mall World.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. Go on, go on.

[Camille Ludington]

Do you feel like that because you just haven't been there?

[Jessica Capshaw]

To that mall?

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, sure.

[Jessica Capshaw]

In my dreams, sure. Yeah. No, I have not. I've not been there.

[Camille Ludington]

I mean, I haven't been there either.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But, like, have you?

[Camille Ludington]

No, I haven't. But I. I do think that there's this, like. I think that there's this weird unconscious connection that people are maybe having in.

[Jessica Capshaw]

This is going to end in aliens.

[Camille Ludington]

It's not going to end in aliens. I paused because I did think about it for a second. Like, could it all be connected to aliens? It's. I don't think this one is, though. I don't think this one is. I do think I feel really uncomfortable.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Because this is not my usual stance. Usually I'm very. You know, I'm the one that believes everything and, like, is, you know, walking on the sunny side of the street with optimism and really believing that all these people had the same dream of the same mall.

[Camille Ludington]

But do you think these people are lying?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Not today, Camilla. I don't think feel this way today.

[Camille Ludington]

You're against Mall World. Okay, I wasn't expecting that, Jess. I thought that you would be. I know a little bit. I told you I felt intrigued by this. Okay, White, we're moving on. Clearly, that's it. Jessica doesn't believe in Mall World. Everybody, if you've been to the mall and you've been to the world and you've been to the airport and all the things like, hit us up in the comments.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Prove it.

[Camille Ludington]

How are they gonna prove that?

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's my point.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, my God. Okay, moving on. I thought we'd spend at least 20 minutes on mall World, but never mind.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Next up is Ralph Lauren Christmas.

[Camille Ludington]

Tell me you like this.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I mean.

[Camille Ludington]

I mean, obsessed. Well, actually, you're the first person I thought of, because a lot of people are like, hey, I want to do Ralph Lauren Christmas. And then have you heard of Millennial Gray? Right? Which is like, we all have gray homes. Yeah, right. Okay. Like, there's a lot of people, like, I want to do Ralph Lauren Christmas, but I have a Millennial gray home. And everyone in the comments is like, can't do it. Like, just give up. Like, there's no way you could emulate it. You're the first person I thought about because your home in New York is very Ralph laureni.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I could do it.

[Camille Ludington]

You. You could do it. I don't know if I can, but let's describe. Let's say what it is.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, So a Ralph Lauren Christmas is probably. If you've seen any Ralph Lauren ad in your life, you could probably conjure an image of what a Ralph Lauren Christmas is. I think that it's, you know, it's deep greens. It's not bright greens. It's deep colors in general. I think it's probably, like, jewel tones, and it probably feels very rich. I don't know if it costs a lot. It doesn't need to cost a lot.

[Camille Ludington]

No, it doesn't look like it costs a lot. Yes. I mean, no, it's. It's. There's a lot of places that are doing Ralph Lauren Christmas on a budget, but you wouldn't know that it's on a budget. Yeah, it's a lot of.

[Jessica Capshaw]

But you're meant to stick to the D. Yes, but you're meant to stick to the deep and the natural greenery and a little bit less, you know, a little bit less perfect. Like, not so manicured within an inch of its life. A little More organic, the green, the greenery and all that stuff. And then you're definitely using a lot of velvets and, or plaids.

[Camille Ludington]

But I mean specifically, I've seen a lot of bows on tree this trees this year, which I haven't done yet, but I might have to do now.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yep. And then if you pick a plaid, I mean, depending on how many rooms you're decorating, you. You go with that plaid. You don't start mixing plaids. You're not doing like a black watch plaid and then a tart plaid or see, you know, I mean like you gotta. I find a plaid.

[Camille Ludington]

I kind of want to do a Ralph Lauren Christmas, but I didn't know about the mixing of the plaids. And I had seen online like some, some green pillows that I thought would go with red pillows. And now I been told that's. That's a no go. Yeah, no, no, we can't do that. No, no, no.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And then also you don't get gift bags. Everything is wrapped. I mean, by the way, probably wrapped with plaid fabric.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, this is where I do draw the line.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, you can, you, you need a gift bag.

[Camille Ludington]

I, I just think that like, what I'm seeing when it comes to the gifts is under the tree. Well, it depends. Okay. So like I don't have my gifts out. Some people put their gifts under the tree the whole season. Right? Like as they get a gift, it goes under the tree. I don't do that. First off, I have four dogs. Those gifts would be destroyed in two seconds. Yeah, I do. On Christmas Eve, the gifts come down and you place them under the tree. It's like a fun little thing we do. I don't think. I actually like all the wrapping paper looking like all different. I don't need it to all look like one perfect situation. Do you have opinions when it comes to wrapping paper? Oh my God. I knew it. Come on. Then what?

[Jessica Capshaw]

You got to pick a lane.

[Camille Ludington]

You do.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You got to pick a lake. Yes, you got to pick a lane.

[Camille Ludington]

You gotta talk about a color lane.

[Jessica Capshaw]

For your holiday papers. They have to look good together under the tree. And the only, the only way that anything. You know, I don't. The only way that. I mean, even when you receive gifts from other people, since they obviously don't know your colorway choice for that year, you put it a different part of the tree and. Or maybe just they, they go. They're aside and stop it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

They get confiscated. Like if you've decided it's going to be Like a green under the tree. And then I send you some sort of purple gift.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Listen, I told you I love Ralph Lauren Christmas. And I think that I like it because it's. It. It's in line with how I like to do it. I like it to all look good as one little picture. So you're also not like, you're not having, like, crazy bright lights. You're candles and fireplaces. And then you're not having, like, signs that are like. Or jingle all the way. None of that. None of that. I mean, you can say it. You can still say it, but you can't. Don't write it down.

[Camille Ludington]

You shouldn't write it. Put it in text. Anyway.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, no, no. Your classic. You're not doing tinsel. You're doing, like, textures. Like wood textures and velvet and brass. I have little. The reindeer, the. The bells. Put those on my door. So whenever. Whenever you open the door, hear a little jingle.

[Camille Ludington]

I do have those. I do have a jingle.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And like I said, the consistency is the key. You're creating a vibe. You're creating an energy around Christmas. And whether it says Ralph Lauren or, you know, whatever.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Just in my opinion, be consistent. But I think that the Ralph Lauren thing is pretty great.

[Camille Ludington]

I have. I do have a bone to pick with people on social media about the way they describe different Christmas, like, decor, aesthetics. Right. Because I have learned that I do love a 90s style Christmas tree in my. In my living room. Right. So I do love the old school pinky color lights. I love, like, all the mismatching ornaments. Ornaments, yes. I don't do tinsel, but like a tinsel could. You could do tinsel with my country. I've heard it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

When you say lights, are you saying colored lights or. Or the white ones?

[Camille Ludington]

No, not white lights. I like all the different color lights. Yes. But I don't like LED lights. No, no, they're wrong because it's gonna be all pink. You know who loves the lights that I like? Josie. We've talked about this.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes.

[Camille Ludington]

Josie loves the lights. She has. She knows. Yep. That's my Christmas aesthetic. According to social media, it's called a tacky Christmas. Jess.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Oh, no.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

No, no.

[Camille Ludington]

Not a nostalgic Christmas. Not a cozy, tacky.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Your tacky Christmas.

[Camille Ludington]

I don't know. Maybe I love a tacky Christmas. Actually, I do love a tacky Christmas.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You know, you definitely do. And I think that.

[Camille Ludington]

I think that's a wrong name for it, though.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I know. I think it needs to be rebranded. Yeah. I think I don't know what the word is though. Can you think of one?

[Camille Ludington]

Nostalgic. It's for 90s kids. Don't you think? Like, yeah, when you grew up, did you have a white light tree or did you have a twinkly color?

[Jessica Capshaw]

When I was a kid, I think kids always want colored lights and I think adults always want white lights. And we usually switch back and forth where you get to choose. They do. Yeah. Yeah. But, but lately I've been like, you know what? I really don't want the Christmas memory to be like, no, mom said no to my colored Christmas tree lights.

[Camille Ludington]

Are you gonna do it? Because I don't think that you can do. Here's the thing. I don't think you can do Ralph Lauren Christmas with the color lights.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Or can you can. Yes, yes. Yes. I think you.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, you can.

[Jessica Capshaw]

How?

[Camille Ludington]

I really want to know how? Because I can't.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, let's, you know what, Christmas trees will be up soon enough. So let's just, let's make a promise, a pinky promise that we'll post them.

[Camille Ludington]

Love it.

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[Camille Ludington]

I have one last bone to pick, and this is the week to do it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do it.

[Camille Ludington]

It's Halloween week. I hate trunk or treats.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't know what that is.

[Camille Ludington]

Are you serious?

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, my God. It is the new way that people are trick or treating or they're not going door to door. They're like, you line up your cars and you open the trunk and you've, like, maybe decorated your trunk and you have candy in. And I just think that it's seriously, it's taking over. Like, everyone's doing trunk.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Really? Yes.

[Camille Ludington]

And I.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Is it like Halloween on the move? Like, why put it in the trunk? Are you taking it places? Are you taking it on the road?

[Camille Ludington]

Tailgate for Halloween.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Tailgate Tacky Halloween.

[Camille Ludington]

It's not even. It's just, like, sad to me. Like, you're not getting that, like, knock, knock, knock. Hey, you know, like, you're not getting that, like, memory of it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Huh?

[Camille Ludington]

And I just think they have to. People have to stop.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay.

[Camille Ludington]

I don't understand why. You've been warned, everyone. I don't understand why they're doing. I would love to know why they're doing it. I don't know.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Story of the trunk retreat.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, if anyone knows, let us know.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah, yeah, sorry. It's just the week to bring it up. It's the week to bring it up, and it's been happening for too long on my watch. That's how I feel.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay. So. Well, speaking of Halloween, there's a big. You know, you're. You're either. It's a, it's, it's. You're either in or you're out of this club. Are you an adult that dresses up? I already know the answer. Go ahead.

[Camille Ludington]

Of course. Yes. Yes. And can I tell you what I did this year? I don't know if I'm gonna wear them this year. I spent money, like a couple hundred dollars Etsy to get replica ruby slippers in my size. Yeah.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Not expecting that. Wow.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. And. And, And I might. I don't know if I'm gonna be Dorothy. Like, I might change my mind.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do you have the rest or you.

[Camille Ludington]

Just going, No, I just. No, I'm just naked with the shoes out.

[Jessica Capshaw]

All those skim songs that you got.

[Camille Ludington]

Against the ruby slippers and the slippers. No, I haven't, I haven't committed to the whole costume yet, but I'm definitely. I like to go out and do the, and, and, and with the kids and do that. But we do not do a whole family theme.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

No. What about.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's cute when people do. I always look at it and go, that's cute. But no, I don't do that either.

[Camille Ludington]

I know. Can I guess what you do?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

I don't think you commit. I don't think you commit to a whole costume, but I do think you do. Like cute little cat ears or cute little like bat like little headband.

[Jessica Capshaw]

You're so my bestie. You know me so well.

[Camille Ludington]

Is it true?

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's completely true. Completely true. And I never, I never plan it. I always think I'm not gonna dress up. And then it, like it. The day comes and I feel compelled to. To grab something. And yes, it's. It's been easy to grab some kitty cat ears and draw on some whiskers and a little nose. So, yes, I have. I've been a cat quite a few times.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, okay. What are the kids going as?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, I don't know if this happened in your house yet, but they just, they pulled a fast one like a couple years ago where they actually want two costumes. They have like a day costume and a night costume.

[Camille Ludington]

Yes, yes. I'm dealing with this this morning. I've already got one costume. There needs a. There's an outfit change. Almost like in a wedding.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yes, exactly. It's like the after party dress, the reception dress. Which you did at your wedding, by the way.

[Camille Ludington]

I Did I love that chain?

[Jessica Capshaw]

That.

[Camille Ludington]

Which I can deal with at a wedding, but on Halloween I don't need. Okay, so what is. What is the situation in your household?

[Jessica Capshaw]

So, I mean, I can't even keep track of it, to be honest. And it's next week and I'm living in the present these days because there's, you know, a lot to keep track of.

[Camille Ludington]

So I, I mean, what's Josie going as? She's the baby of the family.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, honestly, she keeps changing it on us. She's like a shark. And then she's. What did she say? She said we. She has a shark costume on deck. But she, she. She said something about something else recently. Like yesterday she was like, we gotta order, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, what? Yeah, we have the costume. I will say, I know it's probably a, like, on the lazier side of costumes, but they crack me up.

[Camille Ludington]

The blow up, the blow ups, the inflatables.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Poppy came out with a T. Rex and the little arms and was like. I mean, we were peeing our pants, laughing.

[Camille Ludington]

I do love the inflatables.

[Jessica Capshaw]

They're hilarious.

[Camille Ludington]

They're amazing. Hayden. Hayden just. Did the outfit change to me last night, actually.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Okay, great. So what's she gonna be?

[Camille Ludington]

So she was gonna be. Or she is going to be daytime a K pop demon hunter. Right. Roomie. And there's. Do we. I mean, I do. I. I love it. I understand why she's doing it, but there's gonna be.

[Jessica Capshaw]

That's.

[Camille Ludington]

That's the only Halloween costume that we're gonna see out.

[Jessica Capshaw]

There's gonna be a lot.

[Camille Ludington]

It's gonna be many.

[Jessica Capshaw]

It's gonna be a room full of roomies.

[Camille Ludington]

But we have. Listen, I'm gonna learn to do that purple braid. I'm gonna do the whole thing, right?

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[Camille Ludington]

Then she drops it on me. She's like, mom, you know, it's just like a day costume, right? And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I didn't know that. And she was like, no, at night I'm gonna be a vampire. And I was like, yeah, well, we don't have that.

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[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Appreciate this moment because there's going to be a day. It's probably not going to be next year, but it's going. There's going to be a day where it's not just a vampire for her nighttime costume change. It's gonna be a sexy vampire.

[Camille Ludington]

Yeah. Slutty vampire.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I don't think that's a preferred term.

[Camille Ludington]

Well, I Mean in it. Well, it is for mean girls in mean girls, she says, and it's like, where you can dress up like a slut. It's like the quote, right?

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, No, I know. I know.

[Camille Ludington]

I'm aware. I need that not happen, like, ever.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Well, I've got some karma coming my way because there were many, many, many a sexy fill in the blank costume in my. Of course, in my younger years.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh, my God. Wait. I have to share this super embarrassing story about one of my Halloween costumes. Okay. I actually, like, this is so cringy, and I feel like people may have, like, taken a picture of me and it might be out there somewhere. Okay. The year that Heroes came out, I kept getting told because I was very blonde that I look like Hayden Panettiere, right? And that, like, you could be on Heroes. I was waiting tables at the side at the time, right? So I was like, that's what. I had to work that Halloween. I had to wait tables, and I thought, I'll get a red cheerleader costume and, like, some blood, and it'll be like, save the cheerleaders, save the world. And so I got it. But then I was like, well, no one's gonna maybe know who. Well, people might not know who I am, so I'll just write heroes across it and, like, you know, that'll be good, right? So I did that, and I had a great grand old time. Years later, I'm looking at the photos, right? Jessica.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I.

[Camille Ludington]

I'm, like, cringing so bad right now. I spelled heroes wrong. I spotted H E R E O's, and I wore that all night waiting on tables. I was hot. I actually, like, I. I actually want to thinking about this. And I. If I was. If somebody was waiting on me and they spelt it like that, I would have peed my pants, and I 100 would have taken a picture of them. Like, this idiot. This absolute. She's. She's going nowhere in life, so.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And look at you now.

[Camille Ludington]

I deeply. It's just such a cringy memory. We did make it. Thank God that I'm not, like, you know, hosting a spelling bee or something.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Do you know. You don't know this? Do you know? One of my favorite things ever is spelling as an activity.

[Camille Ludington]

That is the most annoying thing you said. May we ever. What do you mean? Like, what does that even look like? You're just randomly being like, guess.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, I like it when people go, how do you spell? And then they say the word. I like that. Like, I would like to be a part of a spelling bee.

[Camille Ludington]

Oh my God.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I love.

[Camille Ludington]

I love it.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Love. Love.

[Camille Ludington]

That's incredible.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Especially when it's tricky.

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Really?

[Camille Ludington]

Okay, you know what? We'll do an episode where I throw out a couple midway through. You're not going to know where they're coming. Yeah, I don't want to make them really hard.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Yeah, you should.

[Camille Ludington]

Okay. Oh my God. This is. This is something to look forward to.

[Jessica Capshaw]

All right.

[Camille Ludington]

Well, okay.

[Jessica Capshaw]

I think we covered the trending topics and then some.

[Camille Ludington]

I think we did too.

[Jessica Capshaw]

Good job.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Camille Ludington]

Happy Halloween everybody.

[Jessica Capshaw]

And let's Happy Halloween. Let's call it the end of the episode.

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