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The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.
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I'm Jessica Capshaw.
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And I'm Camilla Ludington. And welcome to another episode of We Ride Adonis. Hey, everyone. Hi. Last week I was drinking a margarita on the podcast, a messy margarita for a messy mailbag. And then Jess was like, you know, I have an idea for a podcast episode next week. And I see this as honestly a threat to my fun.
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I'm not even.
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I don't even know how I feel about this episode.
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Well, we can actually introduce. That is part of the conversation. So that's. That's actually, you know, feel all the feelings. Because all feelings are. All feelings are welcome. Not all behaviors. All behaviors are not all behavior.
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No, no. But you did text me and you were like, you know, no one's drinking anymore.
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Yeah, I went. Well, that's very black and white of me. I was not living in the. In the gray. I was not living in the.
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No, it was not the Ish.
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Nope.
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Well, I was enjoying my tequila. It's true. It is true, though. And we wanted to talk about it because we want to talk about it. And plus, I've just. I will get into this, but I have done recently a 30 day no alcohol. And unfortunately it went well. And I wish. I truly wish it hadn't. But let's talk about it, because you. I said, did you coin the name for this? And you said, no. People are saying, yes. What is it called right now?
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Well, if you. Yeah. If you start to pick at it, it's. You start to unearth a name that's basically the Great Sobering up of America.
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Wow.
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Just saying. Or the Great American.
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Thought you'd hear that, to be honest.
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However you want to put it. Yeah, no, I know. I think it's interesting. I mean, do you want to start with the facts or do you want to start with the feelings?
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I think. I think. I think that we should just start with the facts.
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Okay, well, because I have them here,
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I've got a little cheat sheet, too.
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The facts are that 54 of Americans reported drinking alcohol in 2025, which is a 90 year low. It's the steepest three year drop in Gallup's history on the subject. The average drinks per week were 2.8, which is the lowest since 1996.
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2.8 drinks per week on. On average for Americans is wild to me.
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They're like, there's like people having like a teaspoon a night. Yeah.
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What are we doing? Like a little sip and then you put it back in the fridge a little. Put it back.
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49 of Americans are actively trying to drink less in 20. That makes sense. But here's where you really get. I mean, everything there is really about people reporting. But this is, this, this feels real. Liquor store sales fell 1% in 2024 and then another 3.4 in 2025.
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A little part of my theory on this on. And I don't. This is. There is zero to back this up. There's zero scientific proof. Okay. This is letting. This is the feeling section.
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Yes, yes.
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Hot off the press.
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Yes.
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I think a GLP one is partly to blame, quote, unquote, for this.
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Or give credit because you're looking to edit.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Where you're coming from. I see which camp you're living in.
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No, I will get into my own opinions.
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Yes.
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I just do think that it's, it's
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well known, sort of.
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Or, or they're finding out that a GLP one, you know, affects your craving for alcohol too. Or that. That's what I've been reading. So. And a lot of people are taking a GLP1, so I'm curious as to how much. I don't know if it's affecting it this much, but, like, I do wonder if it's playing into it a little bit.
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Oh, for those of you that are watching this, I'm doing my thinking really hard face, because the business classes are not on, though. I know they are. The. Well, yeah, it's a head scratcher, because I don't. Because the facts and feelings are coming. Like they're kind of like weaving together like a DNA helix, like a twisted bridge. I don't, Yeah. I don't know how you necessarily unwind them because here's the thing, the science part is that we've always known that alcohol certainly isn't good for you. But do you remember, by the way, does anyone remember this very small window of time in which there was a lot of press about how red wine was good for your heart? Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, we were all like, you know, three quarters deep into a Pino just talking about how healthy we were being.
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Yeah, yeah, we were being so healthy.
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Really not true. Right. So the fact is, is that any amount of alcohol is actually not good for you. I don't know. I don't know the answer to this, Mike. I guess my question for the scientist would be, like, at what point in drinking does it become like, what, Is there a, is there a threshold that you cross into it being really bad for you? Like, like.
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Well, now, now The Debbie Downers out there are reporting one glass is. You're too many.
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Is.
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Is out. You can't even have a sneaky little Pino on a Sunday night. Really?
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Like none.
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They're saying one, not even one.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and, and the. This information is also generational. So It's Gen Z. 65% plan to drink less and 39% going fully dry for all of 20, 25 women down. You know what the other thing that made me think, it made me think of was, you know, pendulums, they swing. And again, are we on facts or feelings? But I think in the feelings category, you know, just so many people drank so much during the pandemic, and I'm wondering. I did not.
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I was pregnant and breastfeeding.
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Yeah. And now it's back and people are saying, drink too much. And we're going to stay away from that. I don't know. Okay, so let's. But let's. Because you and I actually share this in. In common. So you tell me why you stopped drinking for 30 days and when was it?
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I just honestly did it as, like, random a challenge. I did. I downloaded like a little app and I just was like, I think maybe I was feeling sluggish. And I understand that. Like, I understand that for me, I'm already sluggish.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So I was sort of removing things that I thought for 30 days. Like, let me see how I feel. And. Oh, God. The truth is, is after like day five, I woke up and I was like, I am gorgeous. And I didn't really realize because Rose is delicious. My skin was better. I was less inflamed. I felt like I had, like, more of a snack snatched jawline. It was very unfortunate. And. And literally, like, I. I saw it on my own face in like five days. And it's not like I'm drinking every day.
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Right.
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You know, so I was quite surprised to see, like. Oh, even just a couple of times a week, cutting that out. Or maybe it affects you so much more than you realize, especially once you hit your 40s. Mm. That's the first thing that I noticed. But you did the same thing you did. Dry January. I remember coming to visit you and you were. We didn't drink.
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Yeah, I mean, I sort of feel. I mean, I think. I actually think that everyone's. For some reason, I feel like America. I don't know why I'm saying this. Like, it's not an international thing, but I do think that America has an interesting relationship with alcohol. And I don't want to get too historical, but I, I feel like it actually almost even goes back to like, prohibition. I think it goes back to like, you know, America's the like, live free or die and, you know, do what you want to do. But then we had this whole period where it was like alcohol was illegal, and then you always want to do what you can't do. And so we just have it like. I think that as a country, we've had an interesting relationship with alcohol, and then we normalize it in the sense that it becomes very social. It becomes the thing that you do when you're, you know, hanging out as the excuse to go grab. Grab a drink. It's the, you know, you're having a fun night and so you order the bottle of wine or whatever it is, and it just, it's very sneaky that way, I think, especially if you're social. I guess.
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I. But Gen Z aren't doing this.
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I know. And I'm. But that's what I want to get into. I almost feel like we need to have like a Gen Z report, like a. A witness or someone to like, speak
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for the, the Gen Z boots on the ground. Gen Z.
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But I. Here's what I noticed. I. I did notice that everyone was doing dry January for so long, and I, I hadn't done it and I had. I'd been working so much and traveling and so I hadn't been drinking, you know, that much, but I just decided to completely cut it out for a month. And interestingly enough, I did not notice any change in things that people really talk about, which is like, I didn't all of a sudden feel like my skin was great or my jawline was snatched or I was less bloated or. What were the other things that you said?
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Well, I noticed my anxiety too, was better, truly.
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Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Okay, I get that.
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But I do notice that the mornings, like, if I have gone out and I've. You know, honestly, the truth is that we don't really keep alcohol in our home.
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Right.
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So it'll be like after a date night, we turned our little bar area actually into just. We filled it with books instead of any booze. Okay. So but like, if we go out
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and I try it at home, huh? Books instead of booze. Try it at home.
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Books instead of booze. Yeah, but when you go on a date night, I like to like, have a cocktail. And in the morning, I swear, even after just two, I feel awful. And my anxiety is like 3am I'm waking up.
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I think that that's the age thing, the 40s thing, the anxiety and the wake up. I do think that that's the biological part of it. Here's what I did notice. I noticed that I never. After drinking, I can't tell you, like, I rarely wake up and think, oh, gosh, I feel, you know, hungover or I feel bad or whatever. But all of a sudden, I did notice that when I woke up, I was actually a little sharper earlier. Like, I was a little bit more, like, alert. I was a little bit more. It didn't take me as long. Like, if it took me, you know, five minutes to, you know, get in the shower and be, like, the full wake up. This was like, I woke up and I was, like, ready, like, ready to go. What do we got now? Um, but what I really noticed more than anything in putting a lot of attention on it was the behavior that accompanies drinking. So what I noticed was that moment towards the end of the day where you were looking for, like, the, like, the. The downshift. The, like, gearbox, where you're like, okay, I've been revving. I've been revving. I've been going so fast. I've been going so fast because I think that the social drink or the glass of wine at home or whatever it was does. Did sort of signal to me, like, okay, you can. You can relax now. And without it, you have. You. You. You need something else. And so for me, I did absolutely find myself making a cup of tea, coming up with different drinks.
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No, I. I mean, I think that a lot of people feel that way. It does become your. Yeah. Your signal that it's. Or, like, as a mom to, like, young kids, a lot of people feel like it's me time. Right. This is now the adult time. My kids are in bed. This is something I get to do. It's. It becomes a ritual, basically.
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Yeah.
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I found myself making decaf coffee all the time because it was a little sweet. I'd had a little sweet creamer, and I think there's something about, like, that sugar, probably, and wine. One weird thing I noticed is that, yes, my sleep was better, but my dreams were more vivid.
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Because you weren't blacked out. Because you.
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Yeah, because I wasn't wandering the streets. Yeah. With my. With my five bottles of rose. I. Yeah, no, I can. Yes, I was not blacked out, and my dreams were really great.
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Yeah. Yeah. Did you miss it?
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What was interesting to me and a little bit like, is that I did feel like I Did miss it. And so then I ha. Especially when I was going out, I found at home, like I could. It was fine, but if I had to go out socially, I was kind of dreading it because I knew that everyone. I was not doing Dry January where everyone's doing it. I was doing it at a time when everyone's still like, you know, going out for a couple cocktails or whatever that was. That sort of gave me almost like social anxiety for some reason, which is so ridiculous because no one cares if you're not drinking. I think it's because I knew I would. That would be the urge to.
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But that's not what people are reporting. I think that people that are, that are choosing to not drink do report that they feel self conscious. That they feel like when they're the ones not drinking that they're look, they're. They're being looked at differently or that they're occupying sort of like an other space.
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I agree with that feeling, but I think the reality is is most people don't care.
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I completely agree with you.
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But I definitely felt like the wah wah, like I'll just take a sprite. You know, it's like I, I did feel like a party people, which is strange because. Why?
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Well, because I think it's part of our culture.
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Gen Z is not clubbing, so they're not going through the, the, the situation that we all were where we were pregaming. My God. The pre gaming I did in my 20s.
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Yeah.
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I mean we would start getting dressed at like, you know, at five and it was.
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You would easily go through cocktail after cocktail after cocktail. But getting ready has always for me been more fun than going anywhere. If I could get ready and just stay home, that would be fantastic.
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But wait, you didn't pre game. You weren't doing your makeup. Like I was sitting on the floor in front of the mirror and I would pre game.
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Yeah. Then I did. Yes. Yeah, that, that wasn't, that wasn't good.
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Oh God. By the way, I never drink before red carpet. No, ever.
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Terrifying.
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I, I am sober at terrified.
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Oh my gosh.
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Even one drink, I think they'll know.
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One time. I, I agree with you. And you. I didn't. And you shouldn't. I remember. Ugh. I just had a baby and for some reason I thought like the, the, the, the, the magic of looking like you hadn't just had a baby was just like to str. Like to elongate me was to just wear the tallest shoes you could possibly wear. Like the highest. The Highest heels in the. On the planet were going to make me look like I didn't just have a baby.
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And like, like stilts.
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Yes, the 90. The 95 pairs of Spanx on top of each other. And the stilts was going to throw everyone off my scent.
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Yeah, I'm falling stupid.
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We think and do. Anyways, I went to. It was. I think it was like a pre Emmy party wearing stilts. And I went to go do the red carpet and in the process of shuffling down the row, I fell off my stilts onto the ground. Onto the ground. And I was wearing a skirt.
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No.
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Yes. And I was wearing a skirt. And I was horrified. And to the photographer's credits. And it was so kind of them. They literally all just put their cameras down until I got back up because I'm sure it was a show.
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What in the 2000s was this? I don't know, but I'm telling you right now, Paris Hilton did not get that same treatment. If Lindsay Lohan had taken a little tumble on the carpet, those cameras were ready to go.
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Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, I guess that's kind of true. Well, maybe it was.
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They liked you.
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It's in a good crowd. Okay, wait, so can I answer my own question to myself?
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Yeah.
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I didn't miss it. And that was.
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You did not.
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The most shocking part of the 30 day experience. Well, it ended up being more than 30 days. I think that it's, it's, it's wild to me because I don't even know how to explain it. It was just something that I was like. Once I put my, My, my mind to something, I sort of just go like, this is what's happening. And that was the 30 days. But then when the 30 days was over, even though I was challenged exactly by what you were challenged with, which was the social part or thinking, I
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don't want to go to dinner. Social part for you.
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Because I'm used to being able to order, you know, a glass of wine with dinner or whatever. Once I did that and was still alive at the end of it. Yeah, I was still making. I was still able to make it through a dinner. It became kind of like, huh. Well, I, I was curious when I was going to want a drink again. So I actually, I don't. I didn't count them, but I went more than 30 days, so I can,
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I went a little more too.
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I can see why people. Well, this, that's an interesting. Because that's actually what came up was that the idea that this dry January actually might have on some level, maybe not given birth to the whole idea of being sober, but that it kind of broke its own container. That, that this idea of doing it, it was not just a challenge, like a 30 day challenge, but actually was a lifestyle because people did feel better. And I mean, in a, in an ideal world, you would do something that made you not feel good in the morning. Right?
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Yeah, I, I think that. So what are people doing instead of it? Well, that's the.
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This is where we need. We, we really should, you know, we should go. We should go to the comments and the dms. I would like to hear from people. This might need to be a two parter, because I don't know. And because what they're saying is that the bar isn't dying. It's sort of like evolving, but I don't know what it's evolving into. Like, are we playing darts? Are we playing pool? Well, I mean, I know there's. I mean, there's clearly a. I mean, my God, if you go to any. There's so many drinks. I'm overwhelmed by the drinks.
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Well, I tell you what is increasing for sure are the THC infused canned drinks.
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Right. THC makes me like Dory from Finding Nemo. I mean, I, I cannot, I'm.
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What do you mean? Like, you can't find where you can't.
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If we're talking about something right now, in three seconds I won't remember it. That's me.
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So, yeah. So the Dory drinks are not for you, but a lot of people love the dories.
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Right?
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And yeah, can I know C A N N is very popular, but there's also a lot of these infused drinks that are coming out that don't even have the thc, that have like some other thing that's gonna relax you.
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Right.
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And I do think, I think that also the wellness industry on social media, that goes hand in hand with like the clean girl aesthetic and all of that.
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Yeah.
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Is all about the other.
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Other than alcohol. Yep. Yep.
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I think it's sort of like branded that way. Almost like it's in. It's like cool to not drink.
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Yes, yes.
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Like, maybe millennials have kind of like made it lame. You know, like the stuff that generationally, like when you're younger, you looked up and you're like, that wasn't. That's not cool anymore. Well, I wonder if we've made it.
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Like a couple weeks ago when we were talking about how cigarettes were represented versus vaping like on, on film.
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Oh, my God, I laugh so hard
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that Was really funny, but you know it. Yeah. Right. Like, having a glass of champagne in your hand in a movie represented a certain kind of vibe and a feeling. So maybe now that's just a sparkling water with little lime in it.
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I think it's a teenage C drink.
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Okay.
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I think it's. I think it's. What's. What's new? What's the new thing, like, generationally, you know?
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But back to your question. Yeah. What are you doing at a bar? So you're. You're still drinking, but you're just drinking something different?
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Yeah. I think also, like, mocktails have come a long way, and I think there is this big, sober, curious push out in the world right now.
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Well, there's no doubt it's better for you again, I mean. Or is this, like. Is this alcohol's big tobacco moment? Is this the moment where it's like, there should be a surgeon general warning on, well, there is alcohol, but it's not good for you?
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Yes. I think it's headed there. And now it's the lifestyle of it. So I think that sober curious movement that's been happening is also encouraging people just to try. See how it feels to have not have alcohol, and then people are feeling better.
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Yeah. Well, I'm all for that, and I am all for. Not to sound like Pollyanna, but I'm all for supporting whatever it is that makes someone feel good. So if someone's like, I feel so much better sober, then that's fantastic. That being said, on the other side of the coin, I also. Even if it's not the healthy choice, totally celebrate someone's choice to be like, I'm gonna have some drinks.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I don't know. I think that that's also. It goes into the ish. I mean, it really does. It goes into the ish. It goes into the, like, can you. Well, that's the other thing I noticed, by the way, when I did have a. I don't even remember when it was, but I think I. I remember thinking, like, what would I. What am I gonna drink first? Like, would I have a cocktail or would it. I don't even remember if I had a glass of wine or if I had a cocktail, but I then remember it being like, oh, oh, this is interesting, because this is in the behavior bucket, is what does it feel like to have one drink? Because most of the time when you go out, you'll have a drink or two. Right. So, like, if you're having a drink where you're. I don't Know, I mean, that's the other thing I just said that, like, my. Just. I went straight into, like, having a drink to celebrate. Why does having a drink mean celebration? I don't know. Something that just of got into my wiring.
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I think it got into a lot of our wirings. It's interesting to see what people are choosing to do instead, though. I mean, there's these. It's like, instead of the boozy trip to Vegas, people want to do the yoga retreat. And then there's the game nights replacing heading out to the bar with everybody.
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Is this a thing in Los Angeles? Do you know a lot of. Or is it an age thing? Is it a generation thing? You know, a lot of people playing more games. Like, mahjong is. If one more person asks me how to learn.
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Are you Jessica Capshaw?
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What?
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I'm sitting up like this because you said the magic M word.
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Did you learn how to play mahjong?
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Get ready. I don't even want this anymore.
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She's throwing the paper for those that are.
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I'm obsessed.
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You're playing mahjong?
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Yes. And can I tell you?
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My God.
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Beth is my mahjong teacher, and she came to my friend's house, and she taught us over two sessions. And then apparently, Beth has been cheating on us because I listened to a podcast that had Hillary Duff on it, and she said, oh, my mahjong teachers.
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Beth.
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Beth is everywhere right now. She's teaching Los Angeles. I'm obsessed.
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No, there's a Beth over here. Don't worry.
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How many Beths are there? You have to be named Beth to teach.
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You know what someone said.
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What is happening?
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Someone send me a contact.
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Wait, do you know how to play?
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No, I don't know how to play. It's in my. I put it into my phone. She's under mahjong teacher. I feel like maybe her name is Elizabeth, but I could be wrong. She's not your Beth.
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I don't know. She might be. Beth might be traveling, but also, I'm
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starting to feel like I'm on the outside. I've been okay with it for. For the meantime, but I. I don't. Yeah, I'm on the outside because there's people having mahjong parties.
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You shouldn't feel okay. You should honestly feel bad.
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And then I was, like, the last person that had not seen Crazy Rich Asians. I never watched that movie when it was. You know, whenever it came out. And we watched it for. For Josie's birthday, we did, like, a sleepover party, and we Watched it and first of all, it's great. So there's a. There's a good reason that.
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Yeah, you're so late to knowing that.
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Sure.
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Yes, it's amazing.
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But, you know when she, like, plays mahjong with the mom, Jessica.
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It's so amazing, actually, to be honest.
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On.
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In the Sober Curious World, me and my girlfriends, we learned it and we were drinking just water the whole time, having a blast. Can I tell you, I feel so smart when I play that game. Like, I feel more intelligent. I feel like secretly I have the
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B
better than other people.
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A
Some sort of, like, Einstein. Because it may. There's something about it that feels superior, chic and just, like, strategic. It's got all the things and the. I just. I'm obsessed. Obsessed.
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B
Oh, my God.
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A
In fact, the last trip I went on with my girlfriends. Yeah, in the text, we're like, bring them all.
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B
Because there's a whole. It was set.
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A
Beth brings a set. Jessica. Beth brings the set. And then you get your own set. But Beth. You think Beth is traveling without a set?
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B
Okay, all right.
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A
No, she's. And by the way, the set she brings, it's no ordinary set.
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B
It's. What?
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A
It's like a fucking million dollar set.
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B
Of course it is. She's not around.
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A
And then. And then once you get into it. Okay, once you get into it, you're googling. Louis Vuitton has a set. You could get designer sets for like $10,000, by the way. But, like, which I'm not gonna spend. I'm gonna get like the Walmart set. But, like. Because I'm still learning.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But once I master it, I don't
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B
know, that might be.
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A
I'm getting the designer set.
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B
Okay. A designer set. And then isn't there like a new tile that comes out every year or month or.
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A
Yeah, just let me break it down for you. So basically, there's different rules that come every single year. So you're allowed to, like, when you're playing the game, you have to make your tile sort of. It's almost like scrap a version of Scrabble, right? Like, but instead of making a name, you're making a little pattern of tiles. And every single year, the rules change. So the new card comes out. And now in 2026, the. The patterns that you can make are different. All. Yeah, they're all different. And so it keeps you on your toes. You don't understand.
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B
Well, no, I don't. And I. I feel now after this conversation, I actually feel forced. I feel forced.
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A
I'm Actually, you.
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B
I feel forced. I feel completely coerced. This is what.
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A
You know what? The social pressure in our 40s is not coming from alcohol. It's coming from alcohol.
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B
You know what? I feel like there's so many different. The universe is trying to tell me that I need to learn things that I've tried my whole life not to learn.
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A
Yeah, but you really. I'm serious. You're missing out.
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B
No, I know. I need to learn how to.
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A
I would. I'll bring it to New York. I don't want to teach you, though I might. In fact, I'm. Unfortunately, for your birthday, I already know.
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B
I'm going to gift you a $10,000 Louis Vuitton.
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A
Or Beth is traveling.
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B
Oh, Beth. Okay. All right. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
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A
That's your Leo birthday. And then you're going to learn, and then we're going to play together. That's what I'm going to bring to see you next time.
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B
So is mahjong helping keep people sober? Is it creating an alternative way of having fun?
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A
Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. There's no need for glasses. Anything.
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B
I really do. I want to hear from. I. I. This is, like. This is one of the first episodes where I really, really, really want to hear from the team. Like, what. What's your experience? What are you doing? How are you seeing this? Because I think it's really. It's definitely changing. And I'm. I'm just. I'm so curious.
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A
I gotta tell you, the reason why I didn't drink in my last game is because I had to concentrate.
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B
Yeah, you gotta keep your eyes on the.
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A
Keep on one.
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B
Well, you know, strategist, you're not gonna. Well, and you like to win. Oh, my God. Playing with you. It's competitive, right?
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A
Of course.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to win?
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A
I'm not just saddling up to that
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B
board and Willie middle.
- [28:11]
A
No, I'm going there to win. Do you win? Mostly I have one, but now I play the game on my phone. That's what I was doing on set. I have to tell you, my. I have the. I downloaded the app, and I play against some random bot or maybe Beth, I don't know. And I'm doing it on set all the time. If you see me. Well, I mean, the season's aired, but, like, as I'm up, literally as I'm at the OR table, that's what I'm doing on my phone right before they. And they go.
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B
Action.
- [28:40]
A
I put it away quick.
- [28:40]
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [28:41]
A
It's so much better than scrolling. Oh, well, anyway, I said my piece. You're gonna get the board. It is what it is. You're gonna learn, and you're gonna love it. Okay.
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B
I'm very excited about this. I'm very excited about this. Oh, my. I can't believe you've been. You're the tipping point. Of course you are. It actually makes sense. Alicia's gonna be mad. She's like, oh, Camilla got you to do it. You have no idea how many people.
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A
I'm a pioneer to this. In your life.
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B
Yeah, I know.
- [29:06]
A
I like to think of myself. Listen, you know what? It's a four play game. Jess, she's in too.
- [29:11]
B
Oh, four. You can only have four.
- [29:12]
A
Well, yes, but sometimes you. I. I have teamed up with people where you like, are on a little team together, but yes. Fourth place. Do you play rummy? Oh, it's so good.
- [29:20]
B
Have you played Rummy Cube? That I know how to play.
- [29:23]
A
I have no idea what that is. Rummy Cube made that up.
- [29:27]
B
We're gonna stay on Mahjong. Rummy Cube, great game, but it's a little. It's a little mathy, which I'm. It's not my strong suit, which is why I don't think I super excel at it. I'm just.
- [29:35]
A
Okay, okay. You teach me one, I'll do the other.
- [29:37]
B
Okay. All right, so I'm gonna learn how to play mahjong. And. And I think that we actually just. I think we actually. Again, I think this is a two parter. I like to hear back from people about this. The great. The great American Sobering.
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A
Yes. Because of mahjong.
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B
Yeah, because of mahjong.
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A
Sa.