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Call Me Back – with Dan Senor
Episode: The Voice of Unity in a Divided Nation – with President Isaac Herzog
Date: December 11, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode features Israeli President Isaac “Bougie” Herzog in a candid and thoughtful conversation with Dan Senor. At a pivotal time for Israel—following the trauma and aftermath of the October 7th attacks, amidst severe political polarization, international diplomatic challenges, and rising global antisemitism—Herzog shares his perspective on leadership, national unity, and the personal and political dilemmas facing Israel today. The discussion dives into the unique role of the Israeli presidency, Israel’s internal divides, historical context for presidential decisions, the future of Jewish peoplehood, and Herzog’s own family legacy.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Function and Spirit of the Israeli Presidency

[05:04–06:32]

• Herzog explains the Israeli presidency as a uniquely above-politics office, inspired by European/monarchical models, embodying unity and “Mamlachtiyut” (stateliness).
  • Quote: “It's a European model based on the monarchy ... where the idea is like above politics. So everybody here who comes to the president's home ... feels this is his home and that I'm above politics so they can express whatever they want.” — Isaac Herzog [06:32]
• Acknowledges the tension between formal dignity and Israel’s famously informal culture.
  • Quote: “You have people like Bougie, Boggy or Bibi ... but nonetheless, people expect also the office of the President to give him the certain aura of protocol.” — Isaac Herzog [05:48]
• Sees his duty as facilitating dignified dialogue, not unanimity, and representing the whole nation.

2. National Trauma, Division, and the Mandate for Unity

[07:53–10:05]

• Draws parallels between today’s polarization and key historical moments, e.g., post-Lebanon War (1980s), the aftermath of the Rabin assassination, Gulf War.
  • Quote: “In my term, there has been an unprecedented amount of crises of this nature... October 7th was a disastrous moment and a wake up call. We've shown immense resilience... So this is kind of the story. And then you have the story of the internal strife...” — Isaac Herzog [08:48]
• Accepts it as destiny and role to foster reason and responsibility.
  • “I’m trying to bring a voice of reason and responsibility into the discourse, and it’s not always easy... people want you to be totally on one side...” — Isaac Herzog [09:52]

3. The Pardon Controversy and Precedents

[10:05–12:56]

• Discusses, without taking a position, the historical precedent for presidential pardons, especially referencing his father’s 1986 “Bus 300” pardon.
  • Quote: “I am very much aware of the importance of this matter, and I made it clear that it will be dealt with in a more serious way... Bus 300 is a case that we learn and read, and I'm sure that will be part and parcel of any legal opinion.” — Isaac Herzog [11:04]
• Stresses the need for a careful, unpressured, and historically conscious process.
  • “The issue is things you see from here, you don't see from there... Sometimes it takes time to judge things in history...” — Isaac Herzog [12:01]
• Hopes the coming elections can be a “catharsis” so Israelis seize their fate democratically.

4. Proportion, Perspective, and Responsibility

[13:02–14:26]

• Feels the magnitude of presidential decisions acutely but puts them in perspective with the sacrifices of Israeli heroes and bereaved families.
  • Quote: “Some of my message to the people of Israel is these things have to be taken in proportion. We are a nation in post trauma. We have to be very responsible in the way we manage the discourse and not exceed the limits.” — Isaac Herzog [13:55]
• Emphasizes gratitude and humility in representing the people.

5. Israel’s Geopolitical Standing and “The Day After”

[14:26–15:30]

• Acknowledges Israel as “one of the most powerful” actors in the Middle East, noting Israel’s innovation, military, and resilience.
• Highlights recent diplomacy including President Trump’s UN resolution and the ISF (International Stabilization Force) for Gaza as opportunities for future regional dialogue.

6. Global Antisemitism, Jewish Peoplehood, and Legacy

[16:49–18:59]

• Herzog sees himself as a voice not only for Israelis but for Jewish people globally, particularly amid rising antisemitism.
• Recalls his father’s dramatic UN protest (tearing up “Zionism = Racism” resolution), observing a new sense of vulnerability for Jewish identity in public life.
  • Quote: “Following my father's speech, we could walk by masses ... with a shirt, I'm a Zionist. And I'm not sure it's as feasible today. That's what bothers me.” — Isaac Herzog [18:41]
• Stresses multifaceted strategy—legal, digital, civic—to combat antisemitism.

7. Contemporary Challenges to Jewish Identity

[19:10–21:15]

• Addresses and criticizes anti-Zionist rhetoric from NYC's Mayor-elect Zoran Mamdani, expressing dismay at the lack of compassion for Jewish history and existence.
• Discusses Dublin’s attempt to remove his family name from Herzog Park, countered by bipartisan Irish government support.

8. The Voice of the People Initiative & Leadership Pipeline

[22:20–23:24]

• Shares initiative to train a diverse, young Jewish leadership cohort (“Voice of the People”).
  • Quote: “What's amazing in this ... is that you see such an incredible diversity of Jews from all over the world with different backgrounds. And this is a great story to tell.” — Isaac Herzog [22:46]
• Frames his own work as part of a multigenerational legacy, but focused on current needs.

9. How He Hopes to Be Remembered

[23:37–23:46]

• “As a president who's done good to his people and to his nation and was there in the most difficult moments of this nation since its establishment.” — Isaac Herzog [23:37]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We've gone through a huge trauma, huge drama. We've gone through a terrible war. October 7th was a disastrous moment and a wake up call...” — Isaac Herzog [01:12]
• “I've always viewed the presidency as a role to keep society in these very turbulent years more focused on a dialogue... we should have a dignified dialogue and we should respect the other.” — Isaac Herzog [06:32]
• “We are a nation in post trauma. We have to be very responsible in the way we manage the discourse and not exceed the limits.” — Isaac Herzog [13:55]
• “I am extremely worried about the future of leadership of the Jewish people. So I launched the Voice of the People initiative ... which is a cohort of mostly young people who will be educated to be the future leaders of tomorrow.” — Isaac Herzog [22:20]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:12] – Opening reflections on national trauma and resilience
• [05:04] – The nature of the presidency and Israeli informality
• [07:53] – Comparing past and present divisions
• [10:05] – Discussion of the Netanyahu pardon controversy
• [12:56] – Reflections on responsibility and proportion
• [14:26] – Israel’s regional power and forward-looking diplomatic vision
• [16:49] – Antisemitism, Jewish peoplehood, and the UN “Zionism = Racism” legacy
• [19:10] – Addressing anti-Zionism in NYC and Dublin
• [22:20] – Leadership pipeline and the “Voice of the People” initiative
• [23:37] – How Herzog wants his presidency remembered

Summary Tone

President Herzog is measured, candid, and reflective—balancing realism about Israel’s internal and external challenges with pride, hope, and a sense of mission. The episode blends historical context, personal narrative, and urgent current events, offering both sober analysis and forward-looking optimism.