Mark Gagnon (47:28)
Crazy. They kill them. They write a bunch of, like, messages all over the fridge and all over the walls. Then they. They shower, eat some watermelon from the kitchen, and then bounce. Two nights later, seven are dead and LA is about to lose its mind. I mean, this is crazy. It also makes you wonder, like, how do you get people to murder for you? You know what I mean? Like, it's kind of an interesting question. Like, you get these people that are, like, wayward drifters, sure. But you get them into your cult and then you get them to kill for you. I mean, that's, like, insane. So now the news has hit all the newspapers, okay? Like, one of the most famous actresses in the world is now dead. And there's a headline saying that there's a ritual slang. There's this hippie culture. They see, you know, these words written on the door. Pig. Then there's the La Bianca place. There's the same thing. More crazy writings. And people are freaking out. They lock their doors. People are buying guns. They start seeing hippies on the street. And people are trying to connect the dots. They're. They don't know. They don't have a lead. And, like, Charles Manson is obviously, like, you know, connected to some famous people. At least he was, so he's not like a household name. So, like, people just don't know what's going on. And this is where it gets weird. So Manson is all this whole time talking about Helter Skelter, this apocalyptic race war where black people rise up, they kill white people, and then Manson's crew is going to hide out in the desert until it's over. Then he claims that he'll take over the chaos. He ties it in with the Beatles White Album, saying that piggies in Revolution 9 was a secret code telling him to spark it. They think that murdering these rich white folks and leaving bloody messages are enough to light the fuse. So the aftermath of these horrific murders are a mess. Cops are stumped. There's no fingerprints, there's no motive. Like these two random groups of people that literally have nothing to do with each other. The family, you know, Manson and his gang, they're sloppy. Linda Kasabian spills everything to a cellmate after getting nabbed for something that had nothing to do with the murders. Susan Atkins brags in jail, telling some hippie chick every detail. And then by December 69, the word has spread and the net was closing in on Manson, Tex and the girls, they all eventually get scooped up and the trial is just insane. I, I bet you it's probably one of the first like, you know, like newsworthy trials that becomes like a sensation. If I had a bet, that's probably one of the first ones. You know, the shaved heads, he's got a swastika carved on his forehead, he's ranting like this mad prophet. They eventually get convicted in 71, everyone gets life sentences and, you know, LA is able to kind of chill and breathe again. Still reeling from the, you know, the, the brutal murders that happened just a few years before. Two nights, seven people died. Sharon Tate, you know, her friends the LaBiancas, all because Manson said do it. Manson didn't hold the knife, didn't kill anyone directly, but he's the name that we remember. Why? Because he was able to turn these lost kids into killers with nothing but his voice. You know, some messages, some charm and maybe some drugs. And the Helter Skelter thing is wild. Like, I don't know if he believed it. I don't know if it was something that he actually thought was going to happen. Maybe it was a lie, maybe it was, you know, given to him perhaps to discredit the hippie movement and the anti war movement. But whatever it was, it worked. And these people bought in and they ended up killing a bunch of innocent folks. And this is where it gets a little weirder. Okay? And this is where some of the, the Tom O'Neill stuff comes into play. MK Ultra. All right, so we've talked about, you know, his messed up childhood, the Hollywood stuff, the murders, the trials. But now here's the kind of the, the back door, some of conspiratorial stuff. Again, not necessarily that I believe this, this has just been compiled and what people are saying on the net. So is it possible that the government turned Charles Manson into a weapon that then spun out of control? Yeah, MK Ultra secret experiments and you know, this creepy connection that just might change how you see this whole saga. So let's go back a little bit, right to 1967. Manson is fresh out of prison. He's in San Francisco as the hippie scene is exploding. Right? We talked about this. He's 32, he's got these, you know, scruffy, he's got his guitar. It's a summer of love. But here's a crazy thing that happens. There's a program called MK Ultra. This is a legit CIA program that ran from the 50s into the 60s. And if you're watching this, there's a good Chance, you probably heard that before, right? This wasn't some like, noble spy mission. This was like the weird, rogue, freaky CIA that they were doing back in the day and definitely not anymore. The CIA wanted to figure out how to control people's minds. Full on brainwashing. And they were doing this through, you know, LSD tests, hypnosis, electric shock, even torture on a bunch of different people. Prisoners, soldiers, regular people that didn't know what was going on. And this might sound crazy, but this is all documented. They are, you know, declassified files. There's lawsuits. There's a movie by Errol Morris called Wormwood that I think talks about some of this stuff. But coincidentally, Errol Morris also does this movie Chaos on Netflix about Manson. And so what does this matter for Manson? Why is this, why is this connection interesting? Because he's walking to the city where this stuff was still bubbling under the surface. The CIA had been at it for years, starting in 53 when they greenlit MK Ultra to fight the Cold War. Worried that the Soviets were already brainwashing people. They dosed hundreds, potentially even thousands of people with acid, sometimes without even telling them, trying to see if they could erase their memories and plant ideas and essentially turn people into like robots. They worked with doctors, scientists. I'm pretty sure they. This is again just another conspiracy tan. They worked with this guy named Jolly west, who infamously was the doctor that saw Jack Ruby while he was in prison. Jack Ruby infamously killed Leah Harvey Oswald, who infamously killed John F. Kennedy. And this guy was like a known on the record doctor that worked within the MK Ultra program. And they were setting up these MK Ultra systems all over San Francisco, New York, Louisiana. And by the 1960s, the program was officially winding down. Or so they say. What's up, guys? 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This guy is a big time psychiatrist, the master of mind control, and he's neck deep in all the MKUltra stuff. He's the dude who you put in like, like a creepy movie. Like he's like a severance type, right? Brilliant, he's charming. But he's got like this dark side. And he ran experiments dosing people with lsd, studying how it broke them down. There he is, the old, infamous Jolly West. I wonder if he's still alive. There's no way. But maybe he'd be a great guest. We gotta get him on the pod. And yeah, he would dose people with LSD to see how would. How he would, you know, break them down. He even bragged once about giving an elephant 300 times a human dose of acid just to see what would happen. Whoa.
