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Mark Gagnon (0:00)
Gnosticism, one of the most mysterious and controversial interpretations of Christianity ever recorded. This is an interpretation of ancient texts where everything is flipped, where the God of the Old Testament might actually be a false God, where the universe was created by mistake, and where salvation comes not from faith in Jesus Christ, but from secret knowledge that can set your spirit free. These are the stories that the early church didn't want to survive, and it almost didn't, until a farmer in Egypt cracked open a berry jar in 1980, 1945, and completely rewrote what we thought we knew about the earliest interpretation of the Bible. So buckle up, because this is Christianity turned upside down. So sit back, relax, and welcome to Religion Camp.
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Mark Gagnon (1:54)
What's up people? And welcome back to Religion Camp. My name is Mark Gagnon and thank you for joining me in my tent where every single Sunday we explore the most interesting, fascinating and controversial stories from every religion from around the world. From all time. That's right, we cover every everything from Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness, and today, something perhaps more mysterious. But as always, before we dive in, I just want to say thank you to everyone that supports this channel. Please check out History Camp. If you like more history stuff, please subscribe. Please check out Camp Gagnon, where I do a bunch of interviews and go through all sorts of crazy topics like the occult and UFOs and CIA agents. All sorts of stuff over there. And thanks for tuning in. I appreciate it. And as always, thanks to Christos for taking time out of his busy schedule of meeting and seducing Hundreds of women across the nation. He's a true Casanova. But he's taken a time out of his busy schedule just to be here with us. How are you? I'm doing great. All right, Christos, we don't have time. Okay. Because today we're talking about Gnosticism. You ever heard of Gnosticism? A couple times. A couple times we talked about on this show plenty of times actually. But today we're doing a full deep dive on what it actually is, where it comes from, and what the Gnostics claim to believe. And this is kind of an interpretation of like old biblical text, the Torah, and reworked in a way that is unsettling. If you're of the Christian persuasion. This is, you know, a version where the Adam and Eve story is completely changed and that the God of the Old Testament isn't the true God at all. Where the material world we live in was created by mistake, and salvation doesn't come from faith, but from the secret occult knowledge. And Gnosticism is one of the most controversial movements in early Christianity, for centuries was sort of suppressed and kind of erased from history. And today we're going to get into all of it, where it comes from, and why we even know about it at all today. So in order to understand Gnosticism, we got to go back to December 1945. In Upper Egypt, near the town known as Nag Hammadi, there is a farmer named Muhammad Ali Al Saman who's digging for like fertilizer from like ancient soil for one of his farms. And he's at the base of a cliff, just kind of just shoveling dirt. And all of a sudden the shovel hits something hard, but it's not a rock. It's this large, like sealed jar. Now Muhammad discovered this jar and is all of a sudden freaked out. He's like, I don't know what this is. Does it have like a gin in it? Which if you don't know what a gin is, we've done episodes on that. And he's near the clips of near the cliffs of Jabal al Tarif. Now inside were 12 leather bound papyrus codices, plus part of the 13th, and it contained over 50 texts. And now these texts are now known as the Nag Hammadi Library. And in these texts included the Gnostic Gospels, or what's known as the Gnostic Gospels, the Hermetic Works, and even a fragment of Plato's Republic. Now this Nag Hammadi Library, as scholars would come to call it, contained so many different writings and just became an absolute explosion of people interested in researching ancient interpretations of the Bible and of the Torah. Now some were gospels that never made it into the Bible and we can explain how and why. Others were, you know, philosophical treatises or mystical visions, spiritual guides. Many of them came from communities that the early church leaders had branded basically heretics. And for the first time in basically 2000 years, we can actually read what these so called heretics actually wrote and not just what their enemies were said about them. And what was found was pretty shocking. Now before this discovery, almost everything that we knew about groups like the Gnostics came from their opponents. This was, you know, church fathers who would write these scathing attacks against them. And for the longest time their writings were basically suppressed. But the ideas kind of persisted. And as a result the early church leaders would go and write against them. But now suddenly we had their actual books, their actual teachings and what they genuinely believed. And they painted a picture of early Christianity that was way stranger, more diverse and more controversial than anyone could have ever imagined. Now before I go any further, I just want to point out that I'm not Gnostic. I was not raised under the Gnostic tradition or the interpretation of the Bible. As a Catholic, I don't really subscribe to the Gnostic interpretation, but in the spirit of this show, I will give it a good faith attempt to try to understand and explain without prejudice. But I just want to put that out there. If it seems like I'm flirting with these ideas, I'm not. I'm just trying to actually understand where they come from. And for the most part, our understanding of them in the modern day comes from the Nag Hammadi library. Now what's interesting about these texts is that they reveal that in the early days of Christianity there was not a singular church with an agreed upon set of beliefs. Instead, there were many different Christian movements that were kind of competing and jostling for which ideas would actually be canonized as the one true church. And they each claimed to have a true understanding of Jesus's message. And the Gnostics were one of the most influential and, and controversial and radically different groups from what eventually became orthodox belief, which in my opinion is why it's so interesting to read about. Now before we go any further, we need to understand what we're even talking about when we say Gnostic. Now the word comes from the ancient Greek term gnosis, which literally means knowledge, but we're not talking about like regular knowledge, like, you know, in Pythagoras theorem or whatever. This is like, you know, this special kind of insight. This is a deep, intuitive understanding of spiritual truth that goes beyond everyday information. Information. Think of it this way. You could read like 100 books about swimming and memorize all the techniques, but that's not the same as actually knowing how to swim. And so Gnosis is that same sort of idea. It's, you know, it's like that direct experiential knowledge of God, except applied to, you know, understanding the divine and the universe and all that stuff. So in the ancient world, many groups talked about gnosis in positive terms. Even some mainstream Christian teachers, like Clement of Alexandria would use the word to describe this higher sort of spiritual understanding. Islamic mystics are often called Sufis and they are sometimes referred to as Gnostics because they would try to seek this type of direct knowledge of God. But when historians talk about the Gnostics with like a capital G, they're usually referring to something more specific. And this is a particular movement within early Christianity that developed an elaborate mythology about the nature of reality and salvation and God himself. Now, this is where it gets complicated, though, because scholars have spent decades arguing about exactly who counts as a capital Gnostic. Some experts use the term broadly to include all sorts of groups in the ancient world that valued secret spiritual knowledge. Christians, non Christians, just anyone that was into sort of understanding the knowledge of the divine. They would lump together groups like the Valentinians or the Marsonites or the Sethians or the Manicheans or even Hermeticists under, you know, this big umbrella of Gnosticism. Now, other scholars think that this approach is, like, too messy and too broad. They would argue that Gnosticism is a modern label that we've slapped onto a lot of these ancient groups that are actually really different from each other. And according to this view, there's no unified Gnosticism movement, just a bunch of separate communities that happen to share some similar ideas. Today, many historians take a middle path. Scholars like David Brack argue for a narrower, more precise definition. In his view, the Gnostics refer to specifically one influential school of thought within early Christianity, a group that's often called the Sethians, named after Seth, the third son of Adam and Eve from the biblical story. That's the approach that we are going to follow here. We're focusing on this core Gnostic movement, though we'll also touch on some of the related groups like the Valentinians, who were heavily influenced by Gnostic ideas. Now, understanding the Gnostics is tricky because the main sources we had for centuries was from a Group known as Heresiologists. Now this sounds like a medical term, it's not. These were early Christian writers who basically made it their mission to identify and attack what they saw as heresy or false teachings. The most famous of these was Irenaeus, a bishop who lived in what's now Lyon in the south of France in the late second century. So around the year 180, Irenaeus wrote a massive work with this crazy title that was the Detection and Overthrow of Gnosis, falsely so called, although it's usually just called against the heresies. And in it he viciously attacked the Gnostics and the groups that were inspired by them, like the Valentinians. He claimed that they completely misunderstood Christianity and created a demonic perversion of Jesus's true teaching. So he didn't really mince words and even traced their ideas back to a magician named Simon Magus and basically tried to discredit them by association. Now Simon Magus, if you don't know, fascinating story found in Acts in the Bible, also in the Acts of Peter, a non canonical book that basically talks about this sorcerer like super villain of Christianity that was like flying around the room, whole crazy side story. Maybe we do an episode on that later. But regardless, it's also important to understand that the word heresy didn't always mean what it does today. We think of heresy now as like, oh, you are speaking about, you know, things that are wrong, like you're basically what you believe is wrong. This idea is heretical and back then it simply was just like a school of thought or another way of thinking. And it was thanks to writers like Irenaeus that the term gradually became an insult, meaning a danger, false teaching. Now despite Irenaeus's obvious bias against the Gnostics, his writings have been incredibly valuable to historians because when we compare what he wrote about Gnostic beliefs to the actual Gnostic text discovered at Nag Hammadi, we find that he was surprisingly accurate. He clearly had access to their writings and understood their teachings, even if he thought they were completely wrong. So even though Irenaeus was writing a, you know, version of like church propaganda to get people on the right path, we can still trust much of what he says about Gnostic beliefs. And he remains one of the best sources for understanding the movement. But Irenaeus wasn't the only one attacking these heretics. To really understand what was happening in early Christianity, we need to look deeper at what these attacks reveal about the religious landscape of the time. The discovery at Nag Hammadi gave us a really great window into understanding the dynamics of early Christianity. So, for example, Athanasius of Alexandria, in the year 367, sent out a letter to all the churches in Egypt. And in it, he told them exactly which books they were allowed to read as scripture. The he was one of the first Christian writers to list the same 27 books that most Christians today recognize as the New Testament. And he wrote, in these books alone, the teaching of piety is proclaimed. Let no one add to or subtract from them. Then he went on to condemn anyone teaching from books outside of this official list. Now, what's fascinating is that the Nag Hammadi texts date roughly from the same time as Athanasius letter. Now, Christians living just down the road from him were probably reading and copying these, you know, Gnostic books. And some early scholars thought that Athanasius decree must have driven these writings into hiding, forcing these early believers of these Gnostic texts to basically bury them in the desert in order to protect them. But the scholar David Brack offers a different interpretation. He argued that Athanasius wasn't writing from a position of power and confidence. Instead, he was writing from a position of anxiety and fear. The Christian landscape was still full of competing groups and ideas, all with their own practices and their own scripture and really their own philosophy about what it means to follow Jesus. So Athanasius was attempting to create a closed canon of books, and it really reflected a deeper conflict about Christian authority and what it actually means to be a follower of Jesus. So, in other words, we're getting a glimpse into these competing versions of Christianity in that time when things were still not really settled. On the one side, you had, you know, Christians that were represented by Athanasius, that wanted a close set of scriptures that organized around bishops and parishes and claimed to have apostolic secession. Basically, the idea that, you know, the bishops could trace their authority all the way back to the original apostles. And on the other side, sort of represented by the Nag Hammadi text, you had other early Christian groups who saw no problem in interpreting and writing and reading new gospels. And they were interested in the mystical or philosophical speculation. Their authority structure also looked very different. Groups like the Valentinians would form these study circles around charismatic intellectual leaders, leaders rather than the hierarchical church structure. So when we read the harsh attacks written by the heresiologists, we need to sort of remember this context, right? These writers hadn't won yet. There's still a battle for what it means to be a Christian in the early church. Using an analogy from David Brack, they were still Racing. The race wasn't over. And we're not seeing a unified Orthodox church battling against splinter groups. We're seeing multiple varieties of Christianity, all trying to define themselves and trying to determine who was in the Christian bubble and who was out. So when we read the attacks written by the early church fathers against the heretics, we need to remember this context. The writers at this time hadn't won yet. Using an analogy from the scholar David Bracke, which, by the way, I said Brack before. It is Bracke. My apologies. I'm sorry. If you saw the spelling, you would understand. Okay, so sorry to your family and your ancestors. Anyway, David Bracke says that these early church fathers were still racing. The race wasn't over. We're not seeing, like a unified church Orthodoxy battling against, like, a splinter group. We're seeing multiple varieties of Christianity all trying to define themselves, trying to determine who's in the bubble and who's out. Now, the Nag Hammadi Library reflected the diversity of thought in this early church period really well. The collection includes texts that made up the orthodox canon, like the four gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. But it also contained writings from the Gnostic school, like the Secret Book of John or the Gospel of Judas. There are Valentinian works like the Gospel of Truth, and there are texts from other Christian movements entirely like the Gospel of Thomas. In other words, early Christianity was a bubbling cauldron of different ideas and interpretations. So we've established that early Christianity was very diverse, and a lot of people were competing for who would actually take the orthodox position. Now let's zoom in on the Gnostic. Specifically, the Gnostic myth has become famous for its complexity and the radical reinterpretation of biblical teaching. So let's dive into some of them. According to Gnostic teaching, before the material universe even existed, there was a vast divine realm filled with these spiritual beings known as eons. And together, these eons made up what the Gnostics call the entirety, or the pleroma, which was basically a Greek word meaning fullness. Now, this all happened outside of time, so there's no before or after. And that framing doesn't even really make sense here. But let's start at the beginning. If there is one, at the center of everything is the ultimate absolute God. The Gnostics called this divine source by many names. The Platonic one or the Monad, the Father of the entirety, and most commonly, the invisible Spirit. Now, the ultimate God is beyond all human understanding. You can't describe it, you can't comprehend it, and yet it is the source of. Of everything that exists. Indeed everything exists within it. From the secret book of John, it actually says the one is the invisible spirit. We should not think of it as a God or like a God, for it is greater than a God because it has nothing over it and no Lord above it. It does not exist within anything inferior to it, since everything exists within it, for it established itself. It is eternal since it does not need anything, for it is absolutely complete. It has never lacked anything in order to complete itself. Rather, it is always absolute, complete in light. So you can understand that this is a very broad, big thing that is almost greater than God is kind of how they're describing it. This invisible spirit is pure consciousness. It thinks about itself and knows itself in a way that we can't fully understand. Through this self awareness, it evolves into the complex world of eons that make up the entirety. Now think of eons as God's thoughts about itself. They're both identical to God and somehow distinct from it. It's like a reflection in a mirror. Is both you but also not you at the same time. Scholar David Bracke explains it this way. The eons that make up the entirety result from the invisible spirit's knowledge or thought of itself. They are its thinking or its intellect in all of its complexity. They form also a spiritual realm, the equivalent of Plato's realm of ideal. For the Gnostics, the entirety that the eons constitute is truly real and eternal. The material world is a flawed imitation of the entirety and destined to perish. So these eons are divine beings, each one named after a divine attribute. They are pure concepts that are made into spiritual entities. 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