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Episode: The TRUTH John McAfee Took To His Grave – Janice McAfee Speaks Out

Date: November 18, 2025
Host: Mark Gagnon
Guest: Janice McAfee

Overview

In this gripping episode of Camp Gagnon, Mark Gagnon sits down with Janice McAfee—widow of tech iconoclast John McAfee—to dissect the man behind the myth and unravel the mysteries that surround his controversial death in a Spanish prison in 2021. This is a first-person account from Janice, offering an intimate, detailed journey through John’s tumultuous life, political intrigues, brush with global crime syndicates, media misrepresentations, and the conspiracy-laden circumstances of his final days. Janice candidly discusses their extraordinary relationship, the threats that haunted them, and why she does not believe John took his own life.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. John McAfee: Origins, Genius, and Trauma

• Early Life: John was born in England to a British mother and a US soldier father, obtaining dual citizenship. His father was abusive and died by suicide when John was 15, deeply impacting him (03:33–04:45).

• Childhood Trauma Effect: According to Janice, these early traumas led John to distrust outside help—including God—and believe in relying on himself:
  "He had such a huge heart for people ... but growing up under that, I think it had a lot to do with who he became" (04:33, Janice).

• Education & Early Career: John was a mathematics prodigy, worked at Xerox and NASA, participating in classified projects—remarkable for someone open about his drug use (14:52–15:36).

• Drug Use: While infamous for wild tales, Janice clarifies that most of his drug stories referenced his past:
  "Even for all of his talking of drug use, he was always talking about prior drug use, never current." (18:03, Janice)

2. Rise and Fall: From Tech Mogul to Exile

• Birth of McAfee Antivirus: The company started after John quickly deciphered an early computer virus; made his first millions from military and government contracts (20:01–21:17).
• Leaving the Company: John exited early, uncomfortable with corporate life but kept shares until he cashed out, reputedly amassing $100 million (21:55–22:23).
• Wealth and Lifestyle: His lifestyle blended high achievement with party-boy excess, but Janice insists he compartmentalized and remained responsible at work (19:22).
• Loss of Fortune?: Stories of John losing his fortune in 2008 are likely exaggerated, suggests Janice, asserting his brilliance in financial matters (24:32).

3. Personal Life and Relationships

• Janice’s Background: Janice speaks openly about her past as a sex worker and the abusive conditions she left behind, framing John as an answer to prayer who helped her transform her life (08:09–12:29).
• Motivations in Relationships: John often surrounded himself with—and tried to help—broken people, reflecting his own trauma and desire to save others (09:30–10:01).

4. Central America, Crime, and State Corruption

• Move to Belize: Grief-stricken after the death of a close relative, John abruptly moved to Belize, quickly running afoul of local power structures (33:01–34:39).
• Dirty Dealings with the Government:
  John was solicited for a $2 million bribe by government officials; after refusing, he was harassed, his property raided, his dog killed, and ultimately set up, leading to his flight (36:36–40:02).
  • "They destroyed his lab and shot his dog, his deaf dog, in front of him. ... after that ... those same representatives came back to the property and asked if he'd reconsidered his donation, to which he said, get the F off my property. And this began the war." (36:36, Janice)
• Spyware Operation: John distributed keylogger-laden laptops to associates of government officials and uncovered evidence of systemic corruption—drug trafficking, murder-for-hire, human trafficking, etc. (36:36–40:02).
• Gregory Faull Murder Scandal: Despite media narrative, Janice insists John was only ever wanted for questioning, not as a suspect, believing the murder was a botched hit intended for John (40:14–41:26).

5. The Escape and Years on the Run

• Flight to Guatemala & Media Fiasco: After hiding from authorities, John faked illness to buy time, was deported to the U.S., and emerged in Miami penniless (61:22–69:27).
• Hidden Cash: John had stashed emergency cash across the country, which Janice discovered during subsequent cross-country travels (79:10–115:11).
• Constant Danger: Paranoia (justified, Janice claims) permeated their lives in America. She describes cartel involvement, organized crime attempts to kidnap/kill John, and being herself approached by people seeking information on him (93:16–125:25).

6. Cartel, Crime, and Trust

• Janice’s Dilemma: She was coerced by her former pimp, at cartel behest, to spy on John and even received a substance meant to incapacitate him, which she never used (148:00–153:38).
• Web of Enemies: Janice and John were stalked, monitored, their security compromised. John even hired former enemies as security to keep them close ("keep your enemies closer" strategy) (119:15–122:24).
• Danger in Portland: A chilling episode sees John and Janice hiding in their apartment’s parking garage while a coordinated team attempted, Janice claims, to "collect" (kidnap) John using a garbage truck as cover—a story corroborated by building management behavior and circumstantial evidence (126:57–141:54).

7. Political Candidacy & Public Image

• Presidential Run: John’s 2016 Libertarian Party campaign is recounted as sincere but plagued by party corruption. Janice says he always acknowledged her and her story publicly—even after betrayals (192:13–195:50).
• Media Smears: Janice critiques documentaries like "Gringo" as sensationalized and misleading, asserting that John's true story was thrilling enough without embellishment (51:14–55:23).
• "WACKD" Tattoo & Death Threats: John famously got a "WACKD" tattoo as a warning, thinking he would be murdered by authorities (237:17–237:24).

8. Final Years: Fugitive to Exile

• The Flight to Europe: Facing new legal indictments in 2019, they took to sea, island-hopped, and ended up in Spain after stints in the Bahamas, Cuba, and the Dominican Republic—all under circumstances involving government and possibly CIA pressure (197:25–206:53).
• Arrest in Spain: After a year in Spain, John’s passport was flagged; he was arrested and held for extradition to the U.S. on tax charges (207:11–210:40).
• Prison Life & NO Suicide Warning Signs:
  • "He was the same upbeat, joking self ... there was nothing in his conversation, nothing in his voice that even ... just looking back on, I could say, ah, he did sound [suicidal]—no, there was nothing. There is." (216:33, Janice)

9. John's Death: Unanswered Questions & Inconsistencies

• Janice’s Account of the Death (222:06–225:13):
  • She was told the official story—John hanged himself in grief after extradition was granted—but she doubts this completely.
  • The investigation report revealed John had a faint pulse when discovered, was found with his feet on the floor, and the noose (made from thickly bundled shoestrings) remained during CPR—odd procedures.
  • Cell door was ajar, other doors were closed, and the number of shoelaces used was more than Janice sent in care packages.
  • "He was found hanging ... but his feet were on the floor ... while they were pumping air and while they were doing chest compressions, he still had the noose around his neck. There's no way they could have loosened it ... That's the first step in CPR." (222:08–225:13, Janice)
• No Access to Body/Incomplete Autopsy: Spanish authorities withheld the full autopsy, would not allow her to view the whole body, and delayed/obstructed closure for years (228:27–236:56).
• Janice’s Belief:
  "He wasn't a quitter. He was a fighter ... I think he would have been drugged for sure, and I think there would have been evidence in his body to show that he would have put up a fight, that there was a struggle." (230:07, Janice)

10. Loose Ends, Legacy & Life Afterward

• Attempts on Janice’s life continued after John's death: she recounts being injected with an unknown substance in Spain and haunted by mysterious surveillance (241:35–245:34).
• Janice manages John’s legacy with an archive (antivirus.ai) preserving John's writing, blogging, and furthering his privacy tech vision.
• She maintains that John was not a paranoid madman, but someone with legitimate, persistent threats against him.
• "He just wanted to be left alone. ... The truth is, he wasn't just paranoid. People were literally after him ... and now he's dead, and I just. He just didn't deserve to die that way." (247:54, Janice)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "John wasn't a quitter. He was a fighter to the end." — Janice (00:09, 230:07)
• "He always spoke about me like the sun rose and set out of my butt ... and it was genuine. It never felt that way. It always read honest and true." — Janice (195:50)
• "Now the camera is facing John's cell ... and when he gets to John's cell, his door is cracked open like this. I just think it's strange that all of the other cell doors were completely closed and John's was strange." — Janice (42:42, repeated 230:07)
• "We were followed ... my son pointed out to me one time, 'Hey, Mom, that car is following us.'" — Janice (101:12)
• "He really played hard into that public Persona that he carefully crafted. ... but he was a man that loved and. And he loved people, and he just wanted to be left alone." — Janice (247:54)
• "There was a failure somewhere for sure. Whether it was with a person or with a thing that was meant to release [the dead man’s switch], I don't know." — Janice (239:05)
• "I was injected with something when I was in Spain ... I just remember saying, 'Yeshua Ayudemi' ... right after I said that, the symptoms started to subside." — Janice (241:38–244:10)
• "Did John love me? I do believe so ... even to his own detriment. I do believe that he did." — Janice (195:50)

Important Timestamps

• Meetings with Belizean government, bribes, and harassment: 36:36–40:02
• Gregory Faull murder, media distortion: 40:02–41:26
• Escape from Belize, hiding in the States, bugged cars, and threats: 61:22–115:11
• Attempted kidnap/collection in Portland: 126:57–141:54
• Life in Exile and Final Days: 197:25–210:40
• John’s Death and Official Story Contested: 222:06–225:13, 228:27–236:56
• Janice’s experience with attempts on her life in Spain: 241:35–245:34

Janice’s Ongoing Project

• Antivirus.AI — An archive for John’s books and blogs, and privacy-focused blockchain tools inspired by John McAfee’s vision.
  "We're doing all kinds of fun things ... just a way to keep up with the way I'm trying to honor John's legacy ..." (254:48)

Conclusion

Janice McAfee paints a portrait of John as a deeply wounded, brilliant, creative, and ultimately doomed man. She refutes claims that he was a suicidal, drug-addicted lunatic, insisting instead that he was the target of serious, real-world conspiracies spanning governments and organized crime. The mystery of his death is, in her view, no less than a cold case—with official accounts raising more questions than answers. Her life has been irrevocably marked by love, danger, and loss—a testament to the strange magnetism and chaos of John McAfee’s world.