Danny Sheehan (2:25)

Is that the list? It goes off in lots of subcategories.

Mark Gagnon (2:32)

I can only imagine. I have a feeling we're going to get into it. There's probably many people listening that have some skepticism. And I can speak for myself that I see a ton of things coming out of the Pentagon and different papers being released as far as these UAPs, and we're not sure exactly what they are. The Go Fast video, David Grush's disclosure as a whistleblower, and on the one hand, there's something happening that is very strange. And I've spoken with individual experiencers that have had these profound experiences, whether being visited by some type of extraterrestrial, waking up in their sleep and seeing a Nordic looking person speaking to them, telling them to be concerned about the environment and nuclear war. But yet there's still sort of this difficulty really putting your thumb on what is happening and what this experience is. And for me, I kind of exist in sort of this fluid state where I don't really know how to parse all of this. So in your experience dealing with these people and being in these closed briefs where everyone is signed to an NDA except yourself, what can you tell me about this phenomenon as far as extraterrestrials, what exactly are they to your understanding? Do they exist? And what are the most compelling pieces of evidence that would make you believe your worldview?

Danny Sheehan (3:43)

Okay, well, one of the first things we have to do is get past this effort on the part of the National Security State to obfuscate what we're talking about that they've changed the UFO issue. You go to the average fifth grader and ask them to draw a UFO and he'll draw it for you. And you ask them to draw an alien and they'll draw you one, you know, with the big eyes and the big head and all that. And, but the National Security State people now say, oh no, let's, let's not, let's not call them UFOs because that's got a stigma attached to it, which we've now proven they're the ones created it. Right. You know that we've gotten all the documents now that, that Richard Dolan, in his two volume work called UFOs in the National Security State, has actually extracted through the Freedom of Information act lawsuits, the documents that show that there was a consc. This program organized by the Central Intelligence Agencies Operations Directorate and the, the Pentagon to actually attack and savage anybody who tried to reveal the reality of the UFOs. Okay? Because they had, they attached themselves to keeping it secret because they wanted to back engineer the technology to make a secret weapon system of it. So they convinced themselves, oh, look at, we're the guardians of a New secret weapons system development program like the Manhattan Project. And you can't let anybody know it. And so they've actually convinced themselves that they're authorized to use lethal force if necessary to silence anybody who's trying to reveal the secret. Okay? So that in, in they, they had this extremely sophisticated psyops operation going on to poison the well on the part of everybody in the country against the reality of UFOs, to lead people to believe that anybody that believed that UFOs were real were mentally ill. Literally mentally. They actually had, they actually had a protocol in the military. Any officer who wanted to report an actual UFO encounter, if they insisted upon filing an official encounter report in writing, that the first thing happened is they were required to take a psychiatric test. You know, it would go right into your record.

Mark Gagnon (6:01)

That'd make me be quiet.

Danny Sheehan (6:02)

Yeah, well, it made all of them be quiet mostly, you know. And then if, if you still insist upon it and they make you go take the psychiatric test, then what they do is they deny of your, you know, next promotion. They deny you ultimately they take your security clearance away, you know, they, then they'll take your pension away, you know, and they, they have these entire, this entire panoply of retaliations that they take and so that they were suppressing the information. But equally importantly to all that is there was this direct program undertaken directed against the American people. And so that this, this kind of skeptical response that you have when you hear about, any of you sit, you sit there with a person who's a, you know, a 30 year police officer, you know, in your town, who said, well, a UFO landed in this field, that I was called in there they were, you know, and here's what they looked like. And you know, I filed the report is there and you go, oh, I don't know, this is kind of hard to believe, you know, and what you're doing is you're responding to the programming that you've been subjected to by the national security state. It's a, it's a full scale, demonstrated, documented, proven campaign that they mounted against the American people. And so people are very responsive to that. Now myself personally, I started out, you know, just as a, as a young kid, you know, up in northern New York, you know, that, you know, looking up when I was old enough to be outdoors at night, you see the stars in the Milky Way and you're going, holy mackerel. You know, when you realize that each one of these is a sun, you know, this like our sun that's got like planets going around it. I mean, I was convinced that they all. They had planets going around them because I knew what a solar system looked like even when I was seven years old, you know. And so I said, oh, wow, then that means that there's got to be like, people on some of them, you know. And so just think, you pick one of these stars out at night and you just concentrate on it. You see it kind of pulsing there at night, thinking about the planets going around it. Is there someone standing on one of their planets, looking up into there nighttime sky, seeing our star, wondering what it's like on our planet? And this was just absolutely fascinating to me. And then I started finding out about all these weird things that we were doing to each other, you know, of, you know, you know, drawing a line in the sand or in the dirt, saying, if you step over on this side, I'm going to use my intellect to dig into the earth and pull out metals and melt them down and put them with gunpowder and shoot bullets into you and kill you, you know, for coming into my territory. And you're going, excuse me, you know, I said, look up. You know, look up and kind of keep a perspective on where we are here, you know, and so that all through my life I was saying, this is bizarre how we're acting toward each other. And I wanted to help get people to maintain kind of a larger perspective on where we were. So I said, okay, what I'll do is I'll become an astronomer and I'll figure out, you know, what all these stars are and where the right ones are, where they are and all that. And I realized that's an awful lot of math. I was good at math, but I didn't like it. So then I discovered that you could be an astronaut. You know, by the time I got nine years old, it turns out that they founded the United States Air Force Academy. So I said, oh, good, I'll go to the Air Force Academy. I'll just focus on this, figure out what the courses are I need to take and do all that. And so I ended up becoming one of the top three, at least candidates for the U.S. air Force for the state of New York, you know, back in 1963, when I graduated from high school. So I get to go talk to Jacob Javits, right, the United Republican Senator. That. So I go down, sit down, come down to New York City, you know, go to his little office on fifth Avenue, and I go in and he says, danny, he said, why do you want to go to the Air Force Academy? I said, well, because, you know, I want to become an astronaut. And he goes, oh, yes, all young boys want to be an astronaut now. You know, John Glenn went around and I said, no, no, I've wanted to do this since I was, like, 5 years old. He said, well, why? Why do you want to do that? I said, well, because. I said, in our lifetimes, we're going to actually be encountering beings from an extraterrestrial star system, you know, and this is the most exciting thing that's going to be happening in my entire lifetime. I really would like to be part of that so I can go out and. And become part of getting to meet these other people. He said, you actually believe that there's other beings on these other star systems? And I said, well, sure. I said, so must you. You're a United States senator. You know. You gotta know that. And he was so flummoxed. I mean, he was completely astounded that I said that to him for some reason, that he said, look, look, Dan. He said, I wasn't expecting this. He said, you know, you're from this little school way up in boonies of New York. I wasn't expecting this kind of a conversation. So let me be candid with you. I said, look, I've already given the appointment to the son of my primary financial backer, says, that's the way it is up here. He said, I'll give you the appointment to the Naval Academy, you know, And I said, I'm not into boats. You know, I'm into airplanes. You know, I want to become a pilot. And he gets to be an astronaut? No, no. He says, you can be. You can be a pilot in the Navy. And I said, you know, but still, all the boats and stuff, and I wanted. So he said, all right, well, look, you can just go take your appointment from the congressman. You know, there's 42 congressmen in New York. You know, you can get. Who is your Congress? I said, you know, it's. Whoever it was. And he said, oh, I know him. He said, I'll call him. And so turns out the congressman gives the appointment to the son of the Republican mayor of Glens Falls.

Mark Gagnon (11:52)

Yep.

Danny Sheehan (11:53)

You know, and I'm saying, wow, what is this? I said, you know, that, you know, I was, like, possibly even number one. I knew I was one of the top three guys, you know, I said, and, you know, they give the appointment to the kid who's number seven. Seven in our congressional district. You know, I mean, this is not the way to pick the best People to go to the academy, you know, to do whatever it is we're supposed to be doing for the country. So I guess I better become a lawyer and figure out how the government's supposed to be working and make sure that it's working better. And I can help get the government back into tune and then I can go back into becoming an astronaut. And so I got out practicing in the world and ended up, you know, doing the Pentagon Papers case and, you know, the Watergate burglar, other countries. And I realized that our country wasn't just a little bit out of tune, you know, it was playing a completely different song than we'd been told, you know, and there was this whole thing going on with our country that we were a national security state that had 800 military bases around the world, that we were, you know, invading other people's countries, we were assassinating the political officials of other countries because they wouldn't give our corporations access to their resources. You know, I mean, it was, I was flabbergasted. And so I just, as I got farther and farther into trying to fix this thing, I became closer and closer and closer to the core of what it is that's really going on, which has led me to the UFO issue. Because it turns out that the UFO issue is the deepest and the most closely guarded secret in the entire government of the United States.

Mark Gagnon (13:30)

So do you believe that the government is in possession of recovered aircraft?

Danny Sheehan (13:34)

Oh, I'm absolutely positive there. I've seen photographs of them. Them.

Mark Gagnon (13:37)

And where have you seen these photographs?

Danny Sheehan (13:39)

In the classified portion of Project Blue Book.

Mark Gagnon (13:43)

And so what can you tell me about this? Like what, what level of certainty do you have? What did it look like?

Danny Sheehan (13:49)

Well, it was the, was I came upon were. It was a classic UFO with a big dome on the top. And the big, you know, must have been like 30 meters across, you know. And it skidded across this big snow oak covered field and it plowed this great big ditch through the field. You can see the dirt. It was kicked up into the snow and it was stuck in this embankment, you know, sticking up at like a 45 degree angle. And I, I, you know, saw that there were multiple photographs of it. It was a retrieval, it was a crash retrieval. You see U.S. air Force personnel all around it taking photographs of it. And actually a movie camera they had going of it with the two little canisters on the top. So it was like, I don't know, late 50s or something, or early 50s, you know. So I saw it and I traced the symbols that were on the bottom of the dome of this ufo. And I brought him back to Jesuit headquarters. I was a general counsel at the Jesuit headquarters at the time in their social ministry office. And I showed him the Father Bill Davis, my superior. And he just bent down and slid open the drawer of his desk and pulled out this little 8 1/2 by 11 manila envelope with a little clasp on it and handed it to me. And I unclasped it and pulled out this 8 1/2 by 11 black and white photograph of a UFO.

Mark Gagnon (15:12)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (15:13)

In flight, you know. And I said to Father Davis, I said, where. Where did you get this? He said, my sister Dodie gave it to me. I said, well, where did Dodie get it? So she got it from Mike, her husband, who's the chief air traffic controller in the Seattle airport. And I said, where'd Mike get it? He got it from his best friend who's a cargo pilot, flies cargo all around the Northwest. He took this picture right out the window of his plane, he said, and he brought it. He brought his little camera to the drugstore to get it developed. That's how you used to do it back then. And when he realized what he had a photograph of this ufo, he didn't want to get in trouble. He didn't want to lose his license, his pilot license. So he took it and gave it to his best friend who was the head of the air traffic controllers at Wash. At the. At the Seattle airport. And then he. Mike didn't want to get in trouble and lose his job, so he took it and gave it to his. His sister or his wife Dodie, and said, here, bring this and give it to your brother. He's a priest. And so that's how I got it. And so. So I. I started getting those photographs, you know, I got. And I got retained by Dr. John Mack, who was the. At Harvard University, was the head of the Department of Clinical Psychiatry. He's the guy to whom they were sending these whenever they would insist upon filing a UFO claim, you know. And so he was having to be the one that administered these psychiatric tests, the battery of psychiatric tests. And after he done half a dozen of these, he was kind of thunderstruck. Say, wait a second. These guys are all testing out as being within the normal parameters of psychiatric health. And yet they've all got this sore story that they're telling about seeing these things. He said, this is astonishing. So he started looking into it and he started. He was talking to his mother about it, actually, his mother Said, oh, you ought to, you ought to talk to the Hopkins boy. You know, they were family friends, and Bud Hopkins was this guy down in New York City. He was from a very wealthy family and he was an artist, a sculptor and a painter. But he had this avocation of interviewing people who had had direct contact experiences, at least they thought. So he, he had gathered all of these interviews which he tape recorded of all these different people. And so when John, John Mack Mac called him, he got to hear some of these and meet some of these people. So he ended up interviewing over a hundred people. And he wrote a paper to submit to the New England Journal of Medicine, the number one peer reviewed medical journal in the country. And John had written numerous articles before the scientific articles, right? And he sent it in and they sent it right back to him and said, you know, we're not going to print this. And he said, well, here, let me flesh it out a little bit more. I'll put in some more footnotes. I put more examples in. And he sent it back in. And two days later, the executive secretary for Arnold Relman, who was the head of the. Who was the editor in chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, sends it back to him. And she comes into his office and says, here, Dr. Relman wanted me to hand this to you personally and point out that it has not been open. Opened. Wow. And making clear that we're not only not going to print this, we're not even going to open it. And so John, John was so offended that he contacted a publisher because he had won the Pulitzer Prize already. He won the Pulitzer Prize for writing the definitive psychobiography of T.E. lawrence. You know, Lawrence of Arabia. He's the one that wrote the major analysis of him. And so he got it published. And as soon as it got published, the dean of the medical school comes into his office and invites him to come to a meeting to talk about this book he just wrote. And so John says, oh, this is good. I'll get to come and meet with the dean and explain this all to him. And the dean said, oh, you know, why don't we just have some more people from the faculty come in and you can, we can talk to all of them. And John said, oh, this is great. You know, I'm gonna have like this little grand rounds here about the UFO thing. And he shows up and it's like a tribunal, you know, not like a tribunal. It was a tribunal. Here they were, you know, arrayed upon this diesel, right? And you've got not only the the dean of the medical school, but sitting right next to him is legal counsel for Harvard university.

Mark Gagnon (19:29)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (19:29)

And Dr. John Relman, who was the head of the. The New England Journal of Medicine, who was a visiting scholar at the. At the university, and then three or four other members of the faculty, and they just started to excoriate him, you know, about writing this. This book about these people that were thinking they were having this contact. He said, you were actually giving the impression that you believed them. You know, and John was trying to explain to them that, well, you know, it's absolutely real to them, whatever is going on here. What I was doing is opening the question of what is this? What's actually happening?

Mark Gagnon (20:04)

He didn't make any conclusion in the paper that UAPs or UFOs are legitimate or that aliens have been here. He just said that these people were not clinically insane.

Danny Sheehan (20:14)

That's right. These people are not clinically mentally ill, and they're genuinely having this experience and it's very real to them, and it's extraordinarily puzzling. And what he began to. Is when he was interviewing any of these people, he would never hypnotize them, so he couldn't be accused of kind of planting some ideas in them, he said. But what he did is he did this what they call holotropic breathwork. It's this deep breathing exercise that Stanislav Grof developed. He's a European psychiatrist. And it gets people into a very, very calm state so they can remember all kinds of details of things, and that's what he would do. And so he was trying to explain this to the board, and they were demanding that he bring in tape recordings of any of the interviews that he had with these people and tell them whether he ever had charged them for it. Did he have them sign a paper knowing he was using them as a part of it? They were just after him. And so he ended. He ended up calling his. His best friend, Ron Robertson, who was the. It was. Had been his best man at his wedding and everything. He was a professor at the Santa Barbara City College out in California. And Ron Robertson had come to a number of lectures that I had delivered, you know, at the. At the university in Santa Barbara, about the Karen Silkwood case that we did against nuclear power plants, or the Watergate burglary case that I did, or the Iran Contra case that I did, you know, against the enterprise. I'd done a number of these cases, and Ron Robertson had come to know us. So Ron Robertson said to him, wait a second. He Said, I, I've met this Dan, Danny Sheehan, you know, would you be interested in having him represent you in front of this committee? And John said, oh, I don't think he would be interested in doing something like this, you know. And so Ron Robertson called me up and asked me to come to dinner at his house. And so I went to dinner and we got, we got towards the dessert time at dinner and he said, Danny said, do you mind if I ask you a personal question? I said, no, you can ask me anything you want. He said, what do you think of this UFO issue? I said, I think it's the most important public policy question that there is in the whole world. World. He said, really? He said, how come you've never said anything about it? I said, well, you never asked me, you know. And so, so, so the bottom line is he had John Mack call me. And I went in to represent John in front of the, in front of the committee. And one of the things that I got to do on behalf of John Mack was go around interviewing people to become witnesses for him. That we were going to present the witnesses, you know, bring in police officers, bring in the head investigator for the, the Federal Aviation Agency, bring in, you know, two star generals, you know, in the Air Force, you know, bring in, bring in the, the people that were at the Malstrom rocket missile base where all the missiles were shut off by a ufo. I knew who these people were, right? And so I had interviewed all these, I got to interview all these people and I got to interview like every, virtually every illuminary, you know, in the field at the time. You know, Dr. Stanton Friedman, you know, Dr. Stephen Gre, David Jacobs, you know, you know, every, all of them. So, so I got to know them and I was preparing them to testify in front of this committee and the, the, the legal counsel for Harvard University. I stood up in the, one of the meetings, I said, excuse me. I said, I'm not exactly sure what this tribunal is exactly. I said, I don't. It's certainly not an AAUP convened panel from the association of University American University profess is necessary if you're going to challenge the tenure of a tenured faculty member. I don't know what this is actually, you know. And so Relman, Relman, who was John Relman, who was actually chairing the committee out of the New England Journal of Medicine, said, well, what it was is, you know, Dr. Mack wrote this book and when it hit the stands, a number of people started calling the dean here, asking him questions about it. And he wasn't able to answer their questions. And so he thought, you know, why didn't he just have a conversation with John? And as long as he's going to be having a conversation, why not have some other members of the faculty? I mean, he's trying to come up with this kind of bullshit lie, but this is just a friendly conversation, you know, after they'd already been excoriating him for doing this. And so I said, okay. I said, I said, then in the spirit of fairness here, then who was it that called? There was this big dead silence kind of fell over the room for like a about 20 seconds. And finally the legal counsel shakes her head like there's no problem. He says, I'm sorry. He said, we're not at liberty to discuss who called. And I said, okay, well in, you know, in the spirit of trying to be of assistance, if they were asking questions that he needed to get the answers to, what were the questions that they were asking? Big long pause, nothing. Shaking her head no. And he said, I'm sorry, we're not at liberty to discuss that either. And so I said, well, look this, let me ask you this. I said, whatever the nature of this tribunal is, I said, is either one or both of the following fact questions going to be at issue here in the course of these hearings? Number one, whether extraterrestrial intelligence exists, and secondly, whether at least some of these sightings of these UFO vehicles might actually be a vehicle from an extraterrestrial civilization. Relman says, well, they absolutely are going to be relevant. He said, and it's completely ridiculous to think that either one of those things is true. He said, so I mean, this is Harvard university, like in 1994, and I was just kind of thunderstruck that they could be so completely abysmally ignorant, you know, in light of all that I knew about this. And so I went about you know, gathering witnesses to start presenting to them. And John Max set up a thing called the Project for Extraordinary Experience Research, the peer group group there in Cambridge. I became general counsel for them. So I got to interview people, tons of people, you know, who came in, you know, giving details of it. And we, and John started kind of like investigating, say, okay, now, okay, there you are in the room, you're on the table, you know, they're kind of examining, look around now, tell me what you see. What do the instruments look like? And he started getting them to describe these little, you know, kind of non conspicuous aspects of what they were experiencing so he could see how detailed the information was they knew, and then he would ask other people and they were giving him almost kind of the same information. The kind of things they were seeing.

Mark Gagnon (26:59)

Now were these people that had seen UFOs or these people that had been.

Danny Sheehan (27:02)

People that were in UFOs that had been abducted. These were primarily people who had been abducted. You know, we got way past the people who had seen them.

Mark Gagnon (27:11)

So what do you make of the abductions? Do you believe that the, the people you spoke to were legitimately abducted or do you think it was a, a phenomena of their consciousness or.

Danny Sheehan (27:18)

No, that the, these, these people, these people had scars on them Were, Were, were where devices had been inserted in them, you know, that we actually had taken out.

Mark Gagnon (27:30)

And the devices were retrieved?

Danny Sheehan (27:31)

Oh, yeah, they were electronic devices with little wires on them that were running right into their nerve endings. You know that these were, these are the real deal.

Mark Gagnon (27:41)

And what happened with these cases and.

Danny Sheehan (27:42)

These devices, they were taken and brought to laboratories and verified and stuff. So we've got a whole panoply of these things. The information has been made available to Congress. Congress, you know, that these are, that the, the, the evidence, the evidence of the reality of the UFOs is absolutely overwhelming now. You know, there are, there are videos of them. There are, there, there are photographs that the F18 Super Hornets pilots have taken right out the window of their airplanes. Not just the gun cameras. You know, they can see these things, you know, four miles away way. You know, they've got, they've got UFOs that are right up next to their craft and they've taken the photographs and with their own little cameras right out the window. You know, we've got the. Jay Stratton, who is the head of the Advanced Weapons Special Access Program in the United States Pentagon has stated that he has been in the hangar with a verified non human origin extraterrestrial spacecraft and he has seen the beings with his own eyes.

Mark Gagnon (28:50)

They're alive.

Danny Sheehan (28:51)

Yeah, they've captured live guys.

Mark Gagnon (28:55)

And the US Government has live non human entities.

Danny Sheehan (28:59)

I interviewed a guy by the name of Oscar Wolf. His name was. He was a member of the Project Bluebeam. A Blue Book, a special team that was investigating the unacknowledged sightings that there were over 700 of these things that they excluded from Blue Book that were all in the classified portion of Blue Book that I saw. Right. So I got to interview him and he went into detail about being present for one of these interviews, you know, out at S4.

Mark Gagnon (29:28)

Were they able to speak with these entities?

Danny Sheehan (29:30)

There's it's telepathic. It's all telepathic.

Mark Gagnon (29:34)

Are they in custody of these entities?

Danny Sheehan (29:36)

Well, it was interesting. Oscar couldn't tell. He went with his commanding officer from Project Blue Book, this special unit of Project Blue book out to S4. They went way down underground and he wasn't even sure how many stories down they went. And they came into this place where they had actual UFO vehicles that were there hovering, just, just, you know, hovering.

Mark Gagnon (30:00)

They're functional.

Danny Sheehan (30:00)

Sitting in the air. Yeah, right. They had them there s4 and they, they go into this facility where the, where the ET guy was. And he was in this room like about maybe 20 foot long, you know, and about 20ft wide. And he was, you could see him through the window, this two way mirror that they had that was in the, the room. And you could look at and see him. They had him in this big blue jumpsuit. They had him all dressed and he was standing there in the room. And his, his commander went in and invited Oscar to come in with him. Oscar wouldn't go anywhere near him because he thought he was demonic. He said Oscar was from this really fundamentalist Christian congregation and he thought it was demonic. He didn't want to go near it. And so his, he could see his, his commander go into the room. You could see him standing right there, as close as you are to me here. And they were telepathically communicating and Oscar was sitting there and they, they showed him these boxes. They had these boxes of 8 and a half by Guy, four little cards, note cards, and they were from interviews that had been conducted with the ET guy. The personnel were all there that were involved in doing this. And he was reading through them when he was waiting because he didn't want to go in to see the thing, see the guy. And so he said that like they would ask, they were asking questions and one of the questions they said, well, where are you from? What are you doing here? You know. And he said that, well, I'm part of a, a group of different beings that were from different star systems and we're all involved in this program of going around in here, inside our galaxy, you know, checking on these different planets where life has evolved and Earth is one of them. And so that we're just checking up and making reports on how the people are evolving. And the follow up question was, well, well, who assigned you that? This, who's coordinating this anyhow? And he said, well, it's what you people would call God, but it's a lot different than you think it is that's what he said. And Oscar would never tell anybody. He told me on his deathbed. He called me in one of those homes where you're dying, you know, hospice home. And he called me from. He was in northern Minnesota, called me at my office, you know, and. And I flew out to see him and went in and he's got all these tubes and things in him and he's right at death's door. And he said he didn't want to die without telling somebody about this, that he had seen this.

Mark Gagnon (32:42)

And what was Oscar's role again?

Danny Sheehan (32:44)

He was a. He was a. A clerk typist for Project Blue Book that he was in. He was in that special unit that was assigned to investigate these 700 or so cases that they could not explain. Way they couldn't come up with, you know, they were ball lightning or, you know, spotlights, you know, shining off the bottom of clouds or something. They couldn't come up with any even conceivable explanation because there were just too many witnesses or they had photos of them or there were, you know, there are reasons why they couldn't get rid of the case. And so that he would. He would be at the office at this base that they had, and the investigators would go out and interview all the people and come back and give them records and he would type them all up. And so he ended up staying there for a long time and got to be very close with the commander. And so that's how he got to be invited to come with him to go to S4 for this interview that he was going to do.

Mark Gagnon (33:39)

And where's S4?

Danny Sheehan (33:40)

It's in Nevada. Wow. It's in Nevada. It's about 11 miles away from Area 51.

Mark Gagnon (33:46)

And do you know what happened with this extraterrestrial?

Danny Sheehan (33:49)

I don't.

Mark Gagnon (33:50)

Did Oscar disclose anything else?

Danny Sheehan (33:51)

No, Oscar didn't know. Didn't know. All he knows is what he knows, knew and what he saw. And that's what he wanted to tell somebody before he died. So he knew that I'd been at Jesuit Headquarters and he was getting set to die and he needed to tell somebody.

Mark Gagnon (34:05)

And what was Oscar's clearance like? Did he have.

Danny Sheehan (34:09)

He had above top secret clearance because he had access. I mean, this secret is one of the. It is the most closely guarded secret in the American Intelligence Conference community.

Mark Gagnon (34:21)

And why was Oscar so certain that this wasn't a foreign government's tech or some type of psyop to.

Danny Sheehan (34:28)

Because he could see the guy. He could see the UFO guy. He was Standing right there.

Mark Gagnon (34:33)

And what year was this, roughly?

Danny Sheehan (34:36)

It must have been sometime before 1967, because that's when they disbanded Blue Book.

Mark Gagnon (34:42)

I see.

Danny Sheehan (34:43)

Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (34:43)

And is it possible, I always wonder with these things, is it possible this is a misinformation campaign to utilize people to say that they saw things in order to diversify, divert attention?

Danny Sheehan (34:53)

I mean, given the. Given the. The depths to which our national security state is willing to go to deceive people and to plant ideas in the minds of the American public and to conceal something, you know, that you can't put anything past them. But when you're. When you're doing a professional investigation and stuff like I do, and I've been doing for 50 years, you know that you. You lay out what the possibilities are. You start to attribute probability projections to what the alternative explanations are. And in cases, the. The. The possibilities of this being fabricated have gone down to almost zero. Now, in. In light of all of the data and information that's available, you know, and I've. I've been sitting talking like this to guys with the. There. There are 12 levels of security clearances above top secret.

Mark Gagnon (35:44)

Now, Oscar himself said that he telepathically communicated with this.

Danny Sheehan (35:47)

No, no, no, no. His. His commander was. His commander went in and was having the. This, this. When he talked to the commander, the commander told him that he was. He could telepathically just communicate back and forth with this ET Guy.

Mark Gagnon (36:00)

Now this crash retrieval that you saw the photograph, do you know the story about where that came from or what that was?

Danny Sheehan (36:05)

It was. It was a bad part of my. I got. I was so kind of excited about the fact that I had found it, you know, that what I did is I went because they told me I couldn't. I couldn't take any notes and I couldn't take any recordings or anything. So they took my briefcase and stuff. Wa. But I had a yellow pad with me. I happened to have a. Had a yellow pad under my arm. And I walked in. And so when I saw this, it was. It was. It was. It was in these canisters, these little film microfiche canisters. And so I had this microfiche machine where I would put the microfiche in and I would crank it and see these all. So when I was looking for the photos of these things, right? And there they were. And so when I. When I saw them and I saw the symbols along the bottom of it, bottom of the dome, I just. I focused the picture right down to fit the inside cardboard of the yellow pad that I had and I traced exactly detailed what every one of these symbols were all the way around the bottom of the dome of this craft. And then I closed up the yellow pad and put it away. And I said, okay, that's it. I'm getting out of here. And I put it all back in and put it all away and just got up and walked out. And I walked out past the guards and picked up my briefcase and started going down the hall. And one of the guards said, she in. What is that you got there? And I said, oh, this is my briefcase. I just picked my briefcase up and I. No, no. He said, what's under your arm there? And so they, they came over, kind of menaced over me, yanked the thing away from me and kind of fluttered through all the yellow pages. There wasn't anything in it. So he handed it back to me like that.

Mark Gagnon (37:41)

And what were the symbols?

Danny Sheehan (37:42)

They. They were. Here, give me. You got a pencil? I'll show you. What's up?

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Danny Sheehan (40:06)

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Mark Gagnon (41:00)

Right as if like a plane crashed or something.

Danny Sheehan (41:02)

Well, but, but it was, it was interesting. It just plowed this big gouge through the field. You could see it. And there was this hill, this big embankment here. And the, the craft, its itself was, was stuck into the side of the embankment sort of like this. It kind of skidded along here and then stuck into this into the snow bank like, like that. But it was dirt. You could tell it was an earthen bank there like that. And it had this dome on it. Like this, had this dome on the top, right? And around the bottom, around the bottom of the dome here, here you could see like, right? And there were these guys around. There was a guy here and a guy here. There was a guy over on this side. These two guys had cameras taking photographs of it. They were all dressed in like winter garb, Air Force garb, without a little furry around the hoods. And then this guy is the guy that had the thing with the two little canisters, the movie canisters, taking a movie of this thing. And in around the bottom, right along here, right along the bottom of the, the of the dome there, there was this stuff. You could see it. And it was like, it was like this. And it went, it went all around the bottom of the dome like that. And it was just, just a whole bunch of variations on that, that kind of slant, whatever, to slash with these little things all around the side sides, these little dots and dashes and little horseshoe shaped guys. And so I just copied them all down just like that and said, okay, that's it.

Mark Gagnon (42:43)

And are these images that you're showing me, is this exactly what there was or is this more or less what it looks like?

Danny Sheehan (42:47)

Well, no, this, this is. I, it's not the right order, you see, I don't. I brought it back to Jesuit Headquarters. That what I had. But the, they looked like this, this. And, and what I did is I, I, we put them into the files. We had the Jesuit headquarters. We took the files with us out to California when we, we did the Iran Contra case, you know, against the enterprise and all that. And at the end, George Bush senior pardoned all the main guys that we had gotten indicted. We got them indicted by the special prosecutor, Lawrence Walsh, and then he pardoned them all. And then the judge in the case down in Florida. It was in the, to Florida, in Miami, that we filed a federal criminal racketeering complaint against them. Right, because that's where they were shipping a lot of things out from the Fort Lauderdale Hollywood Airport so that we'd have venue over them. And the judge, it turns out, was appointed by Richard Nixon at the recommendation of BB Rebozo, who is a major mob bank owner. Along with Meyerland, they owned the Miami national bank down there. That was where the skim from the casinos was kept and all that, Right. Anyway, and so the judge, James Lawrence King, entered an order excluding four different eyewitnesses who had it was a bombing. It was all about a bombing. But we identified the entire enterprise. We identified who the people were that were in it and what the aircrafts were, what the weapons were that they were smuggling and all that we had.

Mark Gagnon (44:28)

And you brought this with you?

Danny Sheehan (44:30)

Yeah, well, no, that, that, that in that case that we had the headquarters up in Washington D.C. but we were doing the case down in Florida. But what happened is when, when George Bush pardoned all of the defendants that we had filed the civil case against, the judge entered an order summarily dismissing the civil case.

Mark Gagnon (44:51)

Hmm.

Danny Sheehan (44:52)

Saying that since no one had been ultimately criminally convicted. Convicted, what are we doing because they were pardoned, that we must have been filing this for political purposes. And we were a 501c3 tax exempt foundation and therefore we'd violated our 501c3 tax exempt charter that you couldn't engage in political activity because Bush was running for the presidency. So at the time we filed the complaint, when he was Vice President, he later became a candidate for the presidency. And so that what, what they did is, is Bush, Bush, when he got elected, directed the Internal Revenue Service guy to revoke our 501c3 tax exempt charter. And so the judge summarily dismissed our case. Wow.

Mark Gagnon (45:43)

I mean that seems.

Danny Sheehan (45:44)

And then, and then the Tom Spencer who was the lawyer for Jack Singer, Jack Singelaub was the President of the World Anti Communist League, the former NATO commander, US Military commander in South Korea, anyway, that he, his lawyer Tom Spencer filed a motion with Judge King asking to impound all of our documents at our headquarters so they could find out who the sources were that had provided this information to us. And so what we did is we packed up all of our, all of the files in our thing in a big 18 wheel terractor trailer and took them to California, to Jackson Brown's ranch in those files that was here. And what we did is we put the files in a storage facility where they couldn't find them. And what happened is it had one of the big super rainstorms in California that wiped out this part of this storage facility. And they unilaterally threw out a shitload of the different things that had gotten wet. And we got all of our files eventually out of there, but these were gone and so were a whole bunch of other ones that the people just threw out. So it's one of those things that kind of goes a glimmering into history, but that we got a look at it. So I just don't know what the order of all those Symbols, rebels was.

Mark Gagnon (47:12)

I see. So now how does this work? Right, Like United States is not the. Maybe in that time, even in that time, wasn't the only polar superpower in the world. If a aircraft from a different star system crash lands or is captured on our soil, aren't other governments able to see what enters into this cosmic airspace? Are they not able to detect what's entering in? Do other countries not have crash retrievals like this varied?

Danny Sheehan (47:44)

I mean, the, the levels of surveillance capacity have evolved over time, both with us and with Russia and China. And there's no doubt at all that Russia has at least one of these craft. You know, we have nine of them. Russia's got one, China has got one.

Mark Gagnon (48:06)

At least nine or nine.

Danny Sheehan (48:07)

Well, we know that we've got nine that. I don't know how many more we might have, but I know that we verified that we've got nine, nine of them. And I've talked to the guys who know where they are, right? And we've been trying to get Congress, some members of Congress to go to the place and see them, but they won't do it because they don't have the adequate clearance to go do it. And then when they try to apply for the clearance, they won't give them the clearance. And Congress is just sitting there going, oh, well, you know, we don't have the clearance to get to go see these things. So we don't know whether they exist or whether, whether we, whether they do or not.

Mark Gagnon (48:42)

Now what a country like India with.

Danny Sheehan (48:45)

Their, you know, they're starting, they're, they're on the brink of doing this kind of stuff. Now. We don't know, we don't have any verification. We've got verification that both Russia and China have at least one.

Mark Gagnon (48:55)

And why don't they disclose?

Danny Sheehan (48:58)

It's that I assume that they may be doing the same thing that we're doing, which is trying to reverse engineer the technology so that it can generate an entire new weapon system that they want. They're trying to, our people are trying to master the propulsion system so that they can transport a nuclear payload from launch in the US into the heart of Russia or China, like within like two minutes, you know, to have a first strike weapon.

Mark Gagnon (49:24)

And so no other country would say, oh, we have things coming into the Earth, you know, like other, you know, I guess like, you know, space programs in different countries that would say, hey, there's, there's things entering into our solar system or into our.

Danny Sheehan (49:39)

Well, they've said, Brazil has said it, France has Said it. You know, there are several countries that have been very explicit about the fact that they've got files on all of these different landings and things like that.

Mark Gagnon (49:51)

Could you point me to one of those?

Danny Sheehan (49:53)

Yeah. The, the Brazil I think is, is, there's a, a big report. You can just like you just google the Brazilian report on UFOs. It's an official Brazilian Air Force account. Account.

Mark Gagnon (50:08)

Because I know they had the, the Virginia or Virginia incident that happened.

Danny Sheehan (50:11)

Yeah, yeah, that's a specific incident. But they, but they've got the Brazil. Brazil has done a report. The Virginia, The Virginia thing is the thing that James Fox did the documentary about and all that. But there's, but there's a, there's a. They did it earlier about. In France has done it too. France has, has released it. Yeah. Is there, there's a.

Mark Gagnon (50:36)

Or basically the government is saying there's things entering into the Earth's atmosphere that.

Danny Sheehan (50:40)

Are not, they're not ours and they're not asteroids. They're some kind of craft that we've spotted them. They don't profess to have one in custody. That's what kind of set off the unique. Set off. The program that the US has is that we've now got David Grush and others testifying that we've got them physically in custody. And we've got 40 witnesses now that have actually gone before the Senate Intelligence Committee under oath and had depositions taken under oath giving details of their own personal involvement in many of them of the 40, some of them, some of them have secondhand information that directed them toward the other witnesses. But they've got people directly that were involved in the back engineering program that have testified now.

Mark Gagnon (51:29)

And do you think we've successfully reverse engineered these craft?

Danny Sheehan (51:33)

We can mimic some of their functions now that we've been able to construct craft that look virtually like. Except the problem is ours have got like bolts in them, you know, in soldering and theirs don't. Their crafts are all one piece. That's one of the ways you can tell if you can get up close to one of these man made objects. You can see that they've got rivets in them and stuff like that. That's how you can tell.

Mark Gagnon (52:05)

Tell.

Danny Sheehan (52:05)

But, but they, they can, they can hover. You can see that they've, they've gotten a grip on some of the kind of anti gravity aspects of them. And some people suspect that they've gone even farther to the point of having some at least localized propulsion operation where they can kind of go like you know, they can shoot. Well, they've, they've, they've monitored them coming from 80,000ft, which is technically outer space, down to the surface of the ocean in 7/10 of 1 second for over 80,000ft. And they stop dead like that, instantaneously generating what they estimate to be 6,000 GS, which would totally disintegrate any kind of material craft that we know of. And then they plunge under the ocean, like, with no splash under the ocean, and Travel it over 200 miles an hour.

Mark Gagnon (53:01)

And where does that report come from?

Danny Sheehan (53:03)

From the Nimitz. The Nimitz was on station down off Baja. There's a base, they believe down there that they've radared, you know, at least 100 different times. A UFO craft coming right to that very exact longitude and latitude and plunging into the ocean right there. And then they had submarines that monitor after them.

Mark Gagnon (53:27)

Now, it seems like these craft violate the laws of nature that they are able to operate outside of what we understand.

Danny Sheehan (53:34)

You know, they obviously don't violate the laws of nature. They appear to violate the rules as we presently understand them. But obviously it's scientific. I mean, there's some kind of. There's some dimensions to all of this that we haven't quite figured out yet, you know, that they can do things. Things. The, the. Not only the speed, But they've got this, this cloaking device that they do. They, they kind of materialize, you know, and dematerialize. They can do that. And it's not just. It's not just apparently masking them, but that they actually materialize. And it appears to be having more to do with how they trans transport, how they go from point A to B. That may not be a linear process, no matter how fast it is, how fast beyond the speed of light they go. But it appears to be moving from point A to point B, almost like astral travel. And that's what they compare it to.

Mark Gagnon (54:50)

Is it strange to you that they crash?

Danny Sheehan (54:53)

Well, it's interesting that the original recovery that went on at Roswell appears to be was some kind of a function of either, because, you know, it was near the 509th bomber group. It was the only place on the planet that had nuclear weapons. That's the place from which the Enola Gay was launched. Oh, wow. To drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Mark Gagnon (55:21)

I didn't realize.

Danny Sheehan (55:21)

Yeah, it was the only place where atomic bombs existed on the planet right there. And it was surrounded by massive amount of radar around that place to protect it. And it appears that they either ran into that kind of heavy radar system, but it was also. There was a huge electrical storm that night. Lightning everywhere. And it's possible that got hit by lightning. But when they refer to the crashes, the, it's. They. They may not be crashes at all. I mean, the other, the later ones, because they were working like mad to develop some sort of a technology by means of which they could interrupt their navigation capacity and that we've been working on it and there's some kind of a, an electromagnetic field that, that we're able to project that forces them down, down to land. In fact, there's, in fact the people that we were talking to that were talking about being involved in deploying this thing. One of the problems is that when you deploy this field that can neutralize their navigation capacity, it just keeps on going and it'll knock down commercial planes. If you do it, in what way.

Mark Gagnon (56:44)

Does it, how does it work?

Danny Sheehan (56:45)

It, it apparently like blows out all of their electrical circuits. It's sort of like a pulse weapon. You know, just like you, you can, you can knock out a small plane. They've got a weapon, a pulse weapon that you can aim at a small Piper Cub or a beachcraft and zap it and it'll fry all the wiring in the whole plane and it'll, it'll just go, go in. You know, in this, this. They've got, they've got some really super powerful mechanism of some sort that can deploy a field like that. But it has, in fact, according to one of the sources that we have on it, is that it actually has on more than one occasion has knocked down a private plane that they hadn't kind of taken into account because it kept on going, the effect kept on going, knocked the plane down. And they've had to go recover that craft and figure to handle the disappearance of that craft.

Mark Gagnon (57:44)

Wow. So this was just a regular citizen on a private plane?

Danny Sheehan (57:47)

Yeah. Just a private plane. Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (57:49)

Was that private plane crash, was that politicized or was it a, was it a news story or was it just a random person on a plane?

Danny Sheehan (57:55)

No, it was just. No, it wasn't anything. It was, it was an effort to bring down a ufo, right? A targeted ufo. But the, the scatter from the event knocked that other plane down.

Mark Gagnon (58:06)

And this has been, I mean, people talk about this happening around the time of the invention of the nuclear weapon, the Manhattan Project, that many of these, many of craft start to.

Danny Sheehan (58:15)

Obviously all of a sudden, the first, the first one that we have a specific record of, it was with then Captain Philip Corso, 1945, in June, early June of 1945, that he was a range officer at White Sands, Yucca Flats, Alamogordo. And they had this whole place because they were getting set to test the Trinity site. They're going to try to explode the first atomic bomb to show that it could be done. So they had all this radar, intense radar up everywhere. A lot of guys have suffered consequences of being exposed to all that. But he got ready to take a lunch break. He got one of the jeeps and had his lunch packed and he drove away from the site and drove up the little foothills and he drove into this little kind of valley. And here was a UFO sitting right, right there. And he. And he was freaking out over it because the first time they'd ever seen one. This is 1945. This is before Don Kehoe or any.

Mark Gagnon (59:21)

Of those Fanny and Barney Hill.

Danny Sheehan (59:23)

Yeah, way before. And so. But he saw there and he walked over toward it and one of the beings came out almost six feet tall, five and a half feet tall, arms, legs, big round head, you know, thing in and telepathically communicated to him. He said that, said, look, our plane, our craft, something has gone wrong with our craft. We think it has something to do with what you got going on here electronically. Could you please turn this off? Could you please turn this off and just let us leave? And Corso said he actually did do it. He said it was just one of those moments that he was. Was kind of transported to this other kind of place. And he went and called up and ordered them to turn it off for five minutes. And the, the several of them saw this thing just fly out of there like that. And now the reason that I credit this is because the way I found out about it is that Corso, before he died, did a eight and a half millimeter, an eight millimeter little home movie for his grandchildren that he just, right at the camera, just told them about this event that he experienced back in 1945.

Mark Gagnon (60:39)

Did you see the video?

Danny Sheehan (60:40)

Yeah, yeah, it was a 8 millimeter movie, home movie. It wasn't even a video. It was pre video.

Mark Gagnon (60:46)

Does it exist publicly?

Danny Sheehan (60:47)

Yeah, well, it doesn't exist publicly, but it exists. It exists. And how did you see it that, that George Knapp showed it to me?

Mark Gagnon (60:55)

That is bizarre. Are. And I'm curious with something like this, I mean, around 45 is like one of these first credible sightings. It must have been going on for time before that that these beings were coming to.

Danny Sheehan (61:09)

Well, I don't Doubt that. I mean, I haven't gotten into all the ancient astronaut stuff. I know that it's on television all the time and they're into intruding the pyramids to them and all that. I haven't that the, the concrete studies that I've done about it. The reason I know about the Corsos thing is because George showed it to me, you know, and I've met Paul Harris, who is very, very close to Corso. I've seen the notebooks that he had that he, he actually wrote another book that was published in Italy in all in Italian where he talked about that. So I've confirmed it in his notes and it goes with the 8 millimeter film that I had seen earlier here. So I credit that. And then of course, then in the book that he wrote called the Day After Roswell that he ascended to become. He was a captain back in 1945. He became a full colonel and he was in charge of the United States Pentagon foreign, what they call it, Foreign technology acquisition department. So that it was his job if they recovered any aircraft or any, any other foreign technology, it was his job to figure out what it was and how to develop it or use it. And he said that he was given the technology from the Roswell crash. He was very, I mean, you know, got a full bird colonel in the United States army that's in charge of the thing, you know, writing a book saying that that's what he was in charge of, you know, and so that, you know, so why would he do that? That, I mean, you know, that's not a career builder. And. But because he, he had told his grandchildren in that 8 millimeter film, you could tell that he felt compelled, you know, as he got older and older to make sure that that was. There was a record of what he had seen. Wow. So. So he told about that they, they got not only the silicon chip out of that cross crash, the silicon chip that they've used to develop all the computers and stuff came out of the 1945 Roswell crash. That's what Corso says.

Mark Gagnon (63:28)

And do you, do you think there's credibility to that idea?

Danny Sheehan (63:31)

I, I find it hard to believe why the United States colonel in commanding the U. S. Pentagon or office would would say make that up. You know. It also had Kevin Kevlar. They started the Kevlar. It also had the, what do you call it? Optics. What do you call those things?

Mark Gagnon (63:52)

Fiber optics.

Danny Sheehan (63:53)

Fiber optics. The fiber optics were in that. And his job was to get this technology and filter it into Certain private corporations to get them to develop it. And he says, so, you know, you can get it. It's called the Day After Roswell. It's the book he wrote about it.

Mark Gagnon (64:13)

Wow. The day after Roswell.

Danny Sheehan (64:14)

Yeah. And also the night vision stuff. You know, you see all of our troops and stuff running around in Afghanistan and stuff, and they flip down the kind of binoculars that they flip down and can run around in the night. Said that the night vision stuff, technology came. Yeah. Then they have to rest. Well, there it is.

Mark Gagnon (64:33)

I've never heard of this. That is fascinating. Yeah. So how does this work on a broad scale that you have this craft that is either forced to descend or crashes? Someone calls in and says, hey, there's been a crash of some kind.

Danny Sheehan (64:46)

Us, There were special units.

Mark Gagnon (64:48)

There was a special unit that handles.

Danny Sheehan (64:50)

This, the blue unit. They had a unit. I talked to one of the guys that was in it was in the unit and interviewed him, Clifford Stone. His name was Sergeant Clifford Stone.

Mark Gagnon (65:00)

And how do they know where the crash is going to be? And how do they get people there immediately?

Danny Sheehan (65:05)

They have. Have different units at different bases in different regions of the country and that they fly them in. They have almost like, you know, scramble jets and they scramble them and they fly right to the site. And then they start ordering in the local. They have the authority to order in local equipment from the nearest military bases. You know, they roll them on, in, cordon off the whole area and declare it usually to be a biological biohazard. That's their. That's their favorite.

Mark Gagnon (65:35)

So local police aren't involved.

Danny Sheehan (65:36)

Well, they get. They can get local police enforcing the perimeters.

Mark Gagnon (65:40)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (65:40)

They can say, look, we got a biohazard here. You know, we need you to block off Highway 2 and 6. You know, don't let any cars through here. Direct traffic out around here, you know, that there's a temporary period where we're going to be shut down. And then they bring in the big heavy equipment to try to load these things up and they put them on trucks.

Mark Gagnon (65:57)

Presumably.

Danny Sheehan (65:58)

There's a. They're great big trucks, gigantic trucks that they've got that they carry them on. I mean, the ones that they've recovered are basically 30, 40ft wide. You know, most of these little craft, I mean, the big ones now, you know, they, they haven't recovered any of those. They've. They've got. They've got videotape of one of these things that's bigger than two football fields.

Mark Gagnon (66:21)

Videotape?

Danny Sheehan (66:21)

Yeah, yeah, Just sliding, sliding right over the top. Of what's the place in Texas, this Stevens. Stevensville.

Mark Gagnon (66:30)

I've heard of these types of crafts, these massive sort of like football field type things that moves pretty slowly.

Danny Sheehan (66:36)

The big lights, there's three. There's a triangle shaped thing.

Mark Gagnon (66:40)

Nick Pope spoke to me about one of those.

Danny Sheehan (66:41)

Yeah, yeah, Stevensville.

Mark Gagnon (66:43)

Do they have footage of this that's publicly available?

Danny Sheehan (66:46)

Yeah, yeah, there's. There's footage. There's footage of the Stephenville thing.

Mark Gagnon (66:49)

Stevensville.

Danny Sheehan (66:50)

Yeah, it's like. It's like the one in Phoenix. The Phoenix lights that they could. That they. There are dozens and dozens of people that testify about having the Phoenix lights one go right over them, right over the house and how it blocked out the entire stars above, you know, and it's a. It's got a big bulb on top and one on the bottom. And then there's these three lights, each one at the corners of the triangular vehicle. And I mean, these are the size of a football field and that they can. The term that they use is they move like sparks off a grinder and that they're the size of a football.

Mark Gagnon (67:37)

Field and they can enter into our atmosphere and it's not globally detected. Our government must be aware that these things.

Danny Sheehan (67:43)

Oh, no, no. We can show that they've got. They've got a thing called Gold Dome. Not the one that trumps stuff. There's a thing, the code name is Golden Dome. And that they can actually track them. They can pick them up pretty quickly when they come. They start coming in and they can even see them when they're veiled.

Mark Gagnon (67:59)

So then these blue teams come in and then they move these to a undisclosed site.

Danny Sheehan (68:03)

What are the nearest military bases? Usually the military base. They've got two of them at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. There's apparently one. One in a base in Missouri that they've got one. There's one outside of Maryland right now that we know where that one is. So they've got them and that they're. They've. They've had an awful hard time at the very beginning. You know, I mean, I'm talking about in the 1950s and stuff, when they. If they ever got one of the. They couldn't figure out how to get into them. You know, I mean, if they found a completely intact cross craft, they couldn't figure out how to get into it. It didn't have any kind of apertures anywhere. And it took them a long time to figure out how to get into them. And they didn't know how to fly. When they finally got into it. There wasn't any, there weren't any controls and so you know, there wasn't any, any control board or anything in them. And then they finally realized that they were, they were pilot, were navigated by telepathy. The craft itself in that the craft, the wiring inside the craft is not only the fiber optics which flow right into the metal. They're not soldered in or anything. The fiber optics flow right into the metal of the crust craft and they've got, the wiring is actually stem cells like, like ET biological stem cells that have generated dendrites and, and synapses like in your brain are inside the craft so that the craft are semi sentient and they, they direct the craft through telepathy.

Mark Gagnon (69:59)

And where do these reports come from? Is this people that have spoken to or are these disclosed?

Danny Sheehan (70:02)

No, no, it's not disclosed. These are, these are people that have done the back engineering cheering on them, that are telling Congress about it.

Mark Gagnon (70:08)

And you spoke with these people?

Danny Sheehan (70:10)

I have.

Mark Gagnon (70:11)

Under what context?

Danny Sheehan (70:13)

In the, in the context of people trying to persuade them to come forward publicly and them saying that, you know, you got to get me protection because you know, I don't have adequate protection. I'll get retaliated against if I go public with this. But they're willing to tell the staff and members of the Senate Intelligence Committee and a lot of them haven't even been willing to talk to the House Oversight Committee because they view the House members as less kind of reliable.

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Danny Sheehan (72:06)

They have different categories of clearance. As I say, there's at least a dozen clearance levels above Top Secret. There are hundreds of people that have got top secret clearances that are all through the intelligence agencies and military service services. But you start getting into these kind of programs and you start rising into these higher classifications and then they have these programs. The ones that are kind of the equivalent of Top Secret are like they call special access programs. They call them. Then there are unacknowledged special access programs. Then there are, are exempt unacknowledged special access programs. And then there are black, black unacknowledged exempted special access programs. And each of these kind of correlates to a higher and higher level of clearance. And then there is a, a close to the top level of clearance where in order to get the clearance you have to sign a non disclosure agreement that authorizes your immediate execution if you violate it. That you can be gunned down on the street anywhere at any time.

Mark Gagnon (73:34)

And that's confirmed or this has been speculated?

Danny Sheehan (73:36)

That's confirmed.

Mark Gagnon (73:38)

Really?

Danny Sheehan (73:38)

Yeah. It hasn't been. Not acknowledged. It hasn't been acknowledged. But I know that to be true because I know people that have signed.

Mark Gagnon (73:45)

Them and inside of these documents they say, you will not disclose what you know. And if you do, you will be summarily executed.

Danny Sheehan (73:53)

You agree to, you waive any kind of claim and any kind of claim of your relatives or family or anybody for any kind of cause of action that you were consenting to being gunned down at a moment's notice on the street and anywhere. If you do that. What it is is an extension of the authorization of the use of lethal force. If you go to Area 51 or one of these other highly classified areas, you'll see these great big huge signs, lethal force authorized. So that if you step onto that Property you can be shot and killed with no recourse or with no recourse. They've just extended that to believing that they're authorized to use that lethal force to protect those secrets that are normally in that, that physical area. Even though they're not in the physical area, you know about it, you can't reveal them.

Mark Gagnon (74:46)

So does the President have access to this information?

Danny Sheehan (74:48)

Not always, no. No, that's a question of discretion as to whether they're provided the access. I'm sure that Clinton wasn't. I know he wasn't because he's. And Obama wasn't briefed in on it. Biden was not briefed in that. It apparently Bush Senior was, was briefed in on it. It appears that Dick Cheney was briefed in on it, but not, not the President.

Mark Gagnon (75:18)

Was Trump briefed in to your knowledge?

Danny Sheehan (75:20)

He's been briefed about the fact that we're in possession of non human origin spacecraft and he's been briefed in on the fact that we're in possession of the bottom bodies of some of the occupants that have been tested and that they're non human. He's been briefed in on that.

Mark Gagnon (75:39)

And how do you know that he's been briefed in on that?

Danny Sheehan (75:41)

Because I talked to the people that.

Mark Gagnon (75:42)

Briefed him and they came from these specialized operations. Now why would they share this with you if they could be executed?

Danny Sheehan (75:50)

Because I'm the one that's drafting the statues to protect them. So we have to know the kind of things that they're afraid of in order to get them covered. Covered. Because if you don't, if you don't cover them, they're assuming that it's waived, you know, and that it's not covered so that, you know, we have to be able to specify the kind of threats that are, they're, they're exposed to and have Congress explicitly prohibit them. And we have to have the authority to take depositions, you know, involuntary depositions from people that are in possession of this information, compelling them to do it and have the power of contempt against them if they don't cough the information up so that they can be subjected to imprisonment for refusing to answer, you know, and I mean, so you have to have lawyers that know enough to track them into their den on this stuff.

Mark Gagnon (76:47)

So who were these people or sections of the United States government that are operating without this presidential over oversight and how does that work?

Danny Sheehan (76:55)

Oh, I mean there are extraordinary levels of activity in the Pentagon that are functioning without congressional oversight. I mean it's like It's a constitutional disgrace that, you know, for example, when back in 1991, because we've been so deeply involved in the Iran Contra thing and we knew what they were doing and lying and carrying on, and we were. Were asked at the Christic Institute by Senator Barbara Boxer from California to draft a statute which would prohibit the President and the Secretary of Defense and the head of the Central Intelligence Agency and others from engaging in covert operations that entailed action that would be considered an act of war against any foreign power without the prior written express authorization of Congress. Right. That's the Boxer Amendment that we. And what happened is once it got into the. The House and Senate Intelligence Committees and that were set up after the Church committee hearings and the Armed Services Committee hearings, they amended the state statute to say that the President was authorized to engage in covert operations even if they entailed actions that might be considered an act of war, but that he had to report these to the Congress, to the Senate and House Intelligence Committee and Armed Service committee chairs within 60 days of their communities commencement. And if after that, if the Congress had, within an additional 60 days following their notice, had not provided written authorization for that to continue, they had to stop.

Mark Gagnon (79:01)

I see.

Danny Sheehan (79:01)

And so you say to yourself, how'd that, how, how'd that work out for us? Yeah, you know, how, how what, what kind of a real imprimeter did we impose upon the President? What really happened is it transmuted the first delegation of explicit authority from Congress, waving. Waiving their Article 1 power to declare war, delegating it to the President.

Mark Gagnon (79:24)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (79:24)

Under certain circumstances.

Mark Gagnon (79:27)

I mean, isn't that kind of what caused the Iran Contra affair? And initially that we wanted to arm the Contras, but because of this, there was a statute that was put in place that we couldn't do that.

Danny Sheehan (79:35)

Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (79:36)

So we had to find a loop.

Danny Sheehan (79:37)

The Bowen Amendment. Well, we didn't have to find it. I mean, that's not constitutional. That's like saying I had to find my way into the bank so I could rob it Fair. You know, because they had a locked door on the thing. I mean, what do they think they're doing here?

Mark Gagnon (79:46)

Putting myself in Reagan's position.

Danny Sheehan (79:48)

Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (79:48)

We had to do something to fund these. Congress.

Danny Sheehan (79:50)

Well, they didn't have to do it. You know, the bottom line is they wanted to.

Mark Gagnon (79:54)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (79:54)

You know, and, and that's the reason Congress passed the statute, because they knew they wanted to do it. You know, they, they knew that they had been supporting Somosa and Somosa had been disappearing Thousands of people torturing them, killing them, assassinating them, you know, and had death squads that were trained by the Central Intelligence Agency at a place called the School of the Americas. We knew right. Exactly where it was.

Mark Gagnon (80:18)

I see.

Danny Sheehan (80:19)

You know, and you have to just pound them into the floor to give all the information to the Congress. And once the Congress knows that you know, and they know that you're telling the public that you know, then they think they have to do something about it.

Mark Gagnon (80:31)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (80:32)

And so that the good guys try to draft up a statute to do something about, about it. And the other people inside, primarily in the Intelligence Committee and in the Armed Services Committee, transformed that statute into authorizing them to do it.

Mark Gagnon (80:44)

But now in this case, the President still is the one that's sort of moving the ball forward. I'm curious.

Danny Sheehan (80:49)

No, no, he wasn't in that case. That. I mean, the fact is that it was being run by Poindexter. Poindexter was his national security adviser. And John Poindexter testified that he never told the President because he knew the President would have gone, agree, but he wanted to protect him so that he could deny any particular knowledge about it.

Mark Gagnon (81:07)

I see.

Danny Sheehan (81:08)

And that's how they did it.

Mark Gagnon (81:09)

So do you believe with the UFO issue, these sites like us4, that this is a similar kind of thing that goes on?

Danny Sheehan (81:16)

No, I mean, the, the Presidents know about S4 and they, they know about Area 51, but they believe, the ones that are not briefed in on this, they believe that it's like, you know, developing the SR71, you know, the Blackbird and supersonic planes, the, you know, the F22, you know, that they're, they're cutting edge kind of traditional weaponry that are being developed, particularly aircraft. You know, I mean, we've got, we've got aircraft that go like Mach 15. I mean, really weird aircraft. I mean, they look like, they look like one of these terrible cyber trucks that Elon Musk designed. You know, those terrible looking things. You know, we got, we got jets that look like that, you know, and they go Mach 15. Wow.

Mark Gagnon (82:04)

These aren't like the, what kind of jets are these? These are disclosed or they're still.

Danny Sheehan (82:09)

Technically, I've seen them. I don't know how.

Mark Gagnon (82:12)

MALE FIELDS these aren't like the, the black sort of stealth bomber type.

Danny Sheehan (82:16)

No, no, no. Those are, those are SR71. Those are the big Blackbirds and stuff like that. People, people have gotten, they fly them over football games now.

Mark Gagnon (82:24)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (82:24)

You know, but, but the other ones, they don't, but you know, so there's all that whole world of stuff going on and a lot of those, the presidents will say, well, I don't need to know, you know, what the latest, you know, version of our fighter jets are, you know, so. So it's okay if you don't brief me on that. I trust you. You go ahead and do what you're going to do. But. But what? These are things that are specifically concealed from the President because they view the presidents as part time employees. Employees, right.

Mark Gagnon (82:53)

So this is kind of the deep state that people talk about.

Danny Sheehan (82:55)

That's right.

Mark Gagnon (82:55)

Permanent government.

Danny Sheehan (82:56)

This is the deep state.

Mark Gagnon (82:57)

And who controls this permanent government?

Danny Sheehan (82:59)

Well, in this particular case, in this particular case, there appears to have been a committee that was set up by President Truman back in the end of July of 1947 after the recovery of the Roswell craft. And once they realized what they had here, he designated this group and he selected a group of 12 guys. Some were inside the guy government, some were from inside major corporations, et cetera. Some were other big wealthy bankers that were influential in the political realm and assigned them the responsibility of keeping this secret.

Mark Gagnon (83:35)

What was the name of this committee?

Danny Sheehan (83:36)

They called it Magic MJ12. The majestic group, they called it. Now there's lots of debates going on about these papers that have been discovered that were provided to Bob Wood and his son. But the fact is that people have seized upon one or two particular pages that have been salted into these things that have things in them that were fabricated. And so that they say, ah, see, there's something that's not true. So therefore all of these documents are completely untrue. But they found numerous documents that make reference to this mj12, or the magic group they called them. And what happens is that those 12 people, each of them was to handpick who his successor was to be. As he got to the point of getting ready to die or retire or go away, they would handpick their successor. So it's come down through the years as to who is in it now, you know, and we don't, we don't know right now who is in there now. And so that's the of, part, part of what we're trying to find out is who are they? Because what kind of authority do they claim? Are they asserting that because Truman appointed somebody back in July of 1947 that those guys had the authority to appoint another one who had the authority to appoint you? You know, I mean, and then the present presidents don't know anything about it at all.

Mark Gagnon (85:05)

And they're receiving money from the defense budget.

Danny Sheehan (85:08)

Well, what they're doing is they're embezzling money from the defense budget. What they're doing is they're having Congress appropriate billions of dollars for certain programs, programs, and then they're embezzling it and they're directing it off into these programs to do these super secret programs. And it's all being covered by paperwork, pretending it's doing something else.

Mark Gagnon (85:27)

And what, what disclosure is there on that topic of kind of these black sites pulling off these.

Danny Sheehan (85:33)

They're, they're involved. There's a major investigation going on right now to, to track all of that.

Mark Gagnon (85:40)

And this is an investigation that you're a part of.

Danny Sheehan (85:42)

I'm not liberty to talk about that.

Mark Gagnon (85:44)

That's fair. So I'm curious as far as how these things stay covert because you have these 12 people maybe, and maybe it's expanded. It's difficult to really understand how these infrastructures work. Who would know about them? It seems like Congress doesn't really have the access. The president may or may not if he's interested, but he's probably being briefed by his immediate staff to say, hey, we're developing weapons. It's all good. Don't worry, worry about it. Who would have some connection? They must have employees or they must have cleaners. They must have some level of, you know, interconnection with these other agencies. What does that look like?

Danny Sheehan (86:19)

Those are the right questions, you know, but that, that, for example, you know, in, in congressional hearings that I was in by the House Oversight Committee, you know, members of Congress would say to, for example, Lou Elizondo is my client, would say, you know, who is it that ordered you not to tell us this? I'm not at liberty to disclose who that is, you know, and we know you're not able to tell us who it is. You know, how can somebody be telling you? You can't tell Congress, you know, and you're not going to tell us who it is, you know, so unless Congress is willing to hold him in Congress contempt for which he'd be perfectly willing just to go to jail rather than get shot.

Mark Gagnon (87:06)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (87:07)

You know, and so the, the, the national security state has set up a, a series of boundaries around themselves and protections around themselves to continue to function secretly. And they've got, they've not only embezzled this money, they have access to literally trillions of dollars. Dollars, trillions of dollars, you know, in, in gold and stuff that they've, they've illegally shipped out of the Philippines. That were recovered in troves that the Japanese buried in the Philippines at the. Toward the end of World War II. That they recovered 12 of these different tranches of gold, each one of which was worth over $100 billion dollars at the time. That's gold at $32 an ounce, which is now like $1400. But they've got, they've got 12 of those troves.

Mark Gagnon (88:02)

Where is, what is that story?

Danny Sheehan (88:04)

Well, that's an interesting story.

Mark Gagnon (88:05)

What was the name of, of that operation to find school?

Danny Sheehan (88:09)

It was, it was, it was called Operation Golden Lily. That there was a unit of the Japanese military. Military prior to World War II, going on from about 1932 all the way to 1943. Okay, for like 10 years. And there was a unit under General Yakoshima that was assigned to go all throughout Southeast Asia robbing banks, taking their gold, you know, taking golden Buddhas out of the, out of the monastery, you know, stealing people's diamonds and rubies and taking every single piece of gold, silver, platinum and precious jewels. And that they had these big 50 gallon drums of diamonds and rubies and sapphires, etc, and that they had them in the Japanese islands as a war chest for their war that they were getting ready to wage to keep the Western powers out of the Pacific. That was what, that was their region. The Pacific was to be governed by them, by the Japanese Empire. And what happened is after the battle of Midway in May of 1942, where our Sixth Fleet basically destroyed the Japanese Navy, so they were helpless. And so we could project power into the Pacific through our aircraft carriers. And, and when the Germans surrendered, the 5th army of Germany surrendered in May of 1943 in front of the gaze of Stalingrad because they had frozen during the winter there that we knew that we were going to win. We crushed the Japanese Navy, we'd destroyed the German fifth Army. So it was just a matter of time. And then the Germans survived, Surrendered in May of 1945 in Germany. Japanese were still at war. And what they were doing is they decided they had to immediately shift all this gold and silver out of Japan to, you know, out of Japan because they were expecting a land invasion by the Western powers. And so what they were doing is they were secretly shipping it out and burying it in various troves in the Filipino Islands. 176 troves, each one having $100 billion in gold bullion, in platinum and silver and these big 50 gallon drums of precious jewels.

Mark Gagnon (90:55)

And this was recovered by the United States?

Danny Sheehan (90:57)

No, they got 12 of them. They got 12 of them, but there's 177, six of them, you know, and they got 12 of them that Ed Lansdale, who was the G2 US Army G2 in, in Manila, knew about the fact that they had done this. And he knew that General Yakushima is the one that had buried them because he's the one that had been gathering them all together in this Golden Lily Battalion that he had. So he was the one assigned to bury them in the, in the Philippine Islands. And what they did is they kept maps of where they buried them. And the Emperor Hiroshito sent his nephew, who was a Japanese prince with General Yakushima so he'd know where they were and so he would have the maps of where they were all buried so that the emperor would know where the treasure was. Well, it turns out that nephew of Hiroshima who was a emperor. Hirohito.

Mark Gagnon (92:00)

Hirohito, right.

Danny Sheehan (92:01)

That that prince was gay. And he had a gay valet who was a young 18 year old Filipino guy who was his driver and he would drive the prince around. And so that Ed Lansdale was smart enough to realize at the end of the war, war that he couldn't do, he couldn't get a hold of General Yagoshima. So what he did is he kidnapped his driver and they found out about this, this prince that had these maps and they found out that he had this gay valet and they started searching for him. But that they ended up finding, finding through the driver of Yakushima, his physical driver. They tortured him. That Ed Lansdale had him tortured by, by this guy by the name of Santa Marino. His name was a sergeant who tortured him until he coughed it up. And they found 12 of these and they, they, they, when they punched the first one and found the hundred billion dollars or that I've seen photos of it, this is like, it's like the length of, it's like size of a football stadium. And you can see, you know, gold bullion pie stacked as far as you can see in that they, that Ed Lansdale flew to, from Manila to Singapore to see General Douglas MacArthur who was the commander of the Pacific forces at the time. And this is in December of 1945. Right. And he started briefing General MacArthur about it. MacArthur said hold it, I'm going to bring in my garbage. G2. He brings in his name, Charles Willoughby. His name was Charles Willoughby, who was his G2. Right. Comes in and so Ed Lansdale briefs him on the whole thing. MacArthur says, okay, I'm going to have Willoughby and you fly in my private Plane back to Manila, back to Hawaii, back into the States and go see the President. And you're going to tell President Truman that we have found these 12 troves of gold and silver and platinum and jewels. So they flew, he flew him back, and they come back into Washington and started trying to get a meeting with Truman. And his Chief of staff wouldn't, wouldn't let him, let them see him unless they briefed the Chief of Staff as to what it was about. And so they briefed him on it. And that was Clark Clifford. These are names like boomers would like jump out of their seat when they. What, Clark Clifford? Yeah, well, that's Clark Clifford. That's who he was. And went on to become the head of the United States Treasury Department. So he, he came in and they, they started briefing President Truman about this. And Truman said, hold it, you know, I need to bring in Stimson. And he brings in Stimson, who was the Secretary of War, brings him into the meeting. Stimson brings in his three deputies, Robert, Robert Lovett, Robert B. Anderson and John J. McCloy. He brings them into the meeting. They brief them about what they've got. And Truman says, we're not telling anybody about this. We're going to set up a private trust and put these 12 troves of gold in. We're going to fly it out with US Military craft. We're going to put them in the bank, the International bank of International bank of International national bank of Credit in Geneva, Switzerland, and we're going to write gold certificates on it and use the gold certificates as bearer bonds. And we can finance the campaigns of former Nazis actually all through Europe so that we can keep the partisans from being elected into these offices in Europe. Because we're going to, we cannot allow the reins of government of any country in Europe to fall into the control of the socialists or Communists. Communists, even if it is the will of the majority of their own people. That's The Truman Doctrine, 1948, taught by, you know, Henry Kissinger in Gov 182 at Harvard College. You know, that's a fact. All right? And so, so that's what they did. So they, they, they moved all that gold to that, to the bank. And they've had that access to that, those covert funds which they've been using, you know, to fund covert operations all around the world. Then they had the, the Congress pass. It was at the behest of Robert Lovett, who was one of the trustees. They, they made them the trustees. Robert Lovett, Robert B. Anderson and John J. McCloy were made the trustees of this private trust called the Anderson Trust. Okay. And that they are the ones that manage that money. Robert Lovett and. And John Robert Anderson are both senior partners in Brown Brothers Harriman. Brown Brothers Harriman was a huge private investment group based in New York that was made up of almost all the robber baron families that were private investors in Brown Brothers Herriman in the investment group. The CEO of that group was George Herbert Walker. Okay. The grandfather of George Herbert Walker Bush. His son in law was Prescott Bush. Okay? Okay. And the legal counsel for Brown Brothers Herriman was Alan Dulles, who was made the first civilian head of the Central Intelligence Agency. And it was Robert Lovett that wrote the memo to Truman suggesting they create the Central Intelligence Agency who could engage in covert operations to do all these things that they wanted to do to basically crush any kind of socialist movements in. In Europe.

Mark Gagnon (97:50)

And it was funded by these troves?

Danny Sheehan (97:53)

Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (97:54)

I mean, what happened to the other 64 sites?

Danny Sheehan (97:58)

100, 176 troves there were, but that's.

Mark Gagnon (98:01)

How many there were. We recovered 12.

Danny Sheehan (98:03)

That's right. What happened to them? Marcos recovered two of them later. Marcos, Ferdinando Marcos, he got two of them. And he's a Filipino. He was a Philippine president. And in one of them was discovered by Senator Pimentel, who was the majority leader, president of the Senate of the Philippines. He and a member, Mr. Ayala, who was the third richest man in the Philippines. They punched one of the sites, they found it and got $100 billion.

Mark Gagnon (98:36)

Are all the sites accounted for?

Danny Sheehan (98:38)

No, none of them. So where are they in the Philippines?

Mark Gagnon (98:42)

And why is this not a massive war that's being undertaken to extract them?

Danny Sheehan (98:49)

There's been all kinds of stuff going on behind closed doors. Try to find them. You know that. Lots, lots of folks.

Mark Gagnon (98:56)

That is crazy. Does that contribute to the current state of Filipino politics as we know it today?

Danny Sheehan (99:02)

Not really, no. The. That's that Pimentel just stole it. He stole the one. The one. One thing that they found. He and Mr. A. I had conversation. I sat and talked to him just like this at his desk at the. At the. The Senate in the Philippines. That he wanted me as legal counsel for the Jesuit Headquarters in the Social Ministry office to get permission from Cardinal Sin. That was his name. S I S I G H N. Cardinal Sin was the Primate of the Catholic Church in the Philippines and wanted me to get Cardinal Sin to sign a letter blessing him and Mr. Aia to be able to Take the hundred billion dollar trove and lift it out of the Philippines and keep it for themselves. He offered to give us 10 billion, billion if we would agree to do that. Give us 10% of the. Of the trove. And I said, no, we're not going to do that.

Mark Gagnon (99:54)

So. But he was able to retain it anyway.

Danny Sheehan (99:56)

Yeah, he did. And he lifted it out of there and took it.

Mark Gagnon (100:01)

Was there any recourse for him for taking this trove? I mean, this is. Are there still operations today to try to identify these sites?

Danny Sheehan (100:09)

A lot of. A lot of people killed. A lot of people killed over. People go crazy over that stuff, you know, that really. I mean, literally psychotic people, you know, going crazy looking for those, those troves.

Mark Gagnon (100:20)

I mean, I'm sure many foreign governments are trying to get their hands on it.

Danny Sheehan (100:24)

Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (100:25)

And that's going on to this day. Yeah, The United States included, I'm sure.

Danny Sheehan (100:29)

Covert operations, right? Primarily.

Mark Gagnon (100:32)

And do you know if any have been successful since?

Danny Sheehan (100:35)

No, they've not been.

Mark Gagnon (100:36)

They've not been.

Danny Sheehan (100:37)

We have not been.

Mark Gagnon (100:38)

Is it possible they don't exist? Exist?

Danny Sheehan (100:40)

Nope, not possible at all.

Mark Gagnon (100:45)

That is just bizarre. And it's these funds that are partially funding these black sites that control a lot of these UFOs and UAPs.

Danny Sheehan (100:53)

Well, we don't know about that. We don't know yet. The linkage of utilizing those 12 troves that they punched that are in the bank, International Credit Bank. Bank. We don't know yet that they're being used to fund this. It's perfectly logical to think they would be since there's such huge money now, since the gold has gone up to like $1,400. You can find out what it is today, Christophe, you can find out what is the price of gold today. But that was at $32 an ounce. It was worth $100 billion.

Mark Gagnon (101:33)

Okay. Wow.

Danny Sheehan (101:34)

3,696. Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (101:37)

So about $3,700 an ounce.

Danny Sheehan (101:39)

$3,700 an ounce. So. So it's 10 times or no more than that.

Mark Gagnon (101:43)

Yeah, more than 10.

Danny Sheehan (101:44)

A hundred times. A thousand times.

Mark Gagnon (101:46)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (101:47)

It was $32 an ounce. It's a thousand times. A thousand times what it was worth then.

Mark Gagnon (101:54)

I mean, that is just unblacking. But I've never heard of. Of this. Wow, that is remarkable.

Danny Sheehan (101:59)

Yeah, I happen to have been privy to that because Jesuit headquarters. I was called in to brief Mr. Aye on the consequences of global climate change for the Philippines, the rising ocean levels. And he asked me to fly in to brief the top 50 businessmen in the Philippines on behalf of the Jesuit order about what the consequences of global climate change were going to be for not only the Philippines, but for. For the entire association of Island States in the United Nations. And we were trying to persuade them to mount an action in the General assembly under the Uniting for Peace resolution of the charter, to impose mandates on the United States and China and Russia and India to stop global climate change because it was destroying the sovereignty of these islands states. Wow. You know, that's how I. That's how I was brought in to do it. And that was why they asked me to come to the meeting with them. And then all of a sudden, spraying this offer on us, saying, look, let me tell you what we got here. And so I just said, no, we're not going to do that.

Mark Gagnon (103:07)

And why do they want the church to condone it?

Danny Sheehan (103:11)

They. They wanted cover. They wanted cover in case they got caught. They could flash the letter from. From Cardinal Sin saying that he had blessed this, you know, and that the Church has been and blessing it.

Mark Gagnon (103:23)

Does the Church retain that much power in the Philippines to this day that they're pretty Catholic?

Danny Sheehan (103:28)

It's pretty intense. Yeah. It's pretty intense.

Mark Gagnon (103:31)

A letter would be worth $10 billion.

Danny Sheehan (103:33)

Yeah. This was back in 19. This was in 2001 that I had these meetings with them. So that's 24 years ago.

Mark Gagnon (103:44)

Right. And it's wild to me that the Church still would retain that much church power, that they would be willing to spend $10 billion just to get the Church's approval. Wow.

Danny Sheehan (103:55)

Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (103:56)

Did it ever get to Cardinal Sin that this is what they wanted? Did you ever.

Danny Sheehan (103:59)

I never. I never even told him. I never even talked to him about it.

Mark Gagnon (104:03)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (104:03)

I wouldn't. I wouldn't participate in something like that. The Jesuits wouldn't do that on a moral basis. Legal, moral, you know, practical.

Mark Gagnon (104:12)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (104:13)

Yeah, do that. I told him, I said, you know, that some of that gold, you can tell exactly where it comes from. You know, you know, where the Buddha comes from. They knew exactly where it was. You know, they. They knew where the ingots came from. The. You know, they. They took all. Japanese. Took all the gold out of the. The bank of the bank of England in Singapore when the Japanese and they raided the whole bank and took all the gold. It's all. All you can. Gold. Wow. You know, so I said, you have to return that to the people that have it, that own it. And they just looked at me like, you know, crazy. What is this guy?

Mark Gagnon (104:52)

Wow. So you have these sites that have These craft that Congress can't get into, they're being funded potentially by, you know, these sort of black budget covert troves or these accounts, you know, now and.

Danny Sheehan (105:07)

Money embezzled from other, other programs that has been appropriated by Congress for other programs and then is embezzled and sent into these other programs. And they manufacture completely fake papers and records of how it's been spent. And, you know, they just, everybody winks and nods at it.

Mark Gagnon (105:27)

And the reason for not disclosing is primarily for this desire to reverse engineer. Is there another reason they would not want to disclose?

Danny Sheehan (105:33)

Yeah. And the private aerospace corporations that are partners with them that want to have patents, Patents on it and they want to be able to own it.

Mark Gagnon (105:41)

So the corporations, the corporations have a hand in this as well?

Danny Sheehan (105:44)

Absolutely.

Mark Gagnon (105:44)

Similar to the Roswell situation, you'd mentioned before that they personally benefit greatly from.

Danny Sheehan (105:49)

Access to this technology. And if they could get the patents on them, then they would for the next thousand years license this technology to the United States. Every time they wanted to build one of these craft to go to another star system, you'd have to license it from. Well, you know, the company, the corporation that would own them are these companies.

Mark Gagnon (106:14)

Like Boeing or Northrop Grumman. These.

Danny Sheehan (106:17)

Lockheed, Lockheed Martin is one of the big ones.

Mark Gagnon (106:20)

Interesting.

Danny Sheehan (106:21)

So, you know, and that's what they want. They, they want to get patents and they want to have licensing authority and they want to own the technology.

Mark Gagnon (106:28)

So the high brass at Lockheed Martin would have access to these, these sites.

Danny Sheehan (106:33)

Some of them do. Some of them do. I mean, others that they, they're, they have some of the technology placed in their custody to research it and figure out what to do with it. But they don't necessarily know where the craft is. You know, they don't. Everybody doesn't need to know that. That's very much need to know. Right?

Mark Gagnon (106:50)

What's up, beautiful people of America? I am on the road. That's right. I'm doing my hour of standup comedy in many cities, some of which are near you, going to Fort Wayne, Indiana and Chicago. You can get tickets at my website, www.markagnonlive.com. we also got the link in the description. I would love for you guys to come on out. I say what's up to everybody after the show, if you want to come hang, have some laughs, grab a pick with me, shake my hand and tell me some crazy story. I would love to see you guys there. Can't wait. Let's get back to the show. And I wonder about, like, the sensitivity around these crafts, like you know, I was mentioning before, like cleaners or, or you know, the security guy or the, you know, the lunch lady. Like are there, are there no sort of, you know, I guess like low salary non essential workers or essential workers that are in this space.

Danny Sheehan (107:40)

We'll, we'll find out all this stuff. We don't, we don't know all this, you know, that we're, we're dealing with people primarily that are engineers that have been put into possession of some of the technology and asked to back engineer it, that are working on for example, this thing called, what's it called, Prompt Global Strike is one of the programs. Prompt Global Strike in this company. Radiant Technology is the company and they've got offices right next to Wright Patterson Air Force Base out in the 10th district, Ohio. And so they got the congressman from the 10th district of Ohio. There's just hair on fire trying to keep this from being made public and opposing the Disclosure act doesn't want it to be passed because they want to keep it secret and get the patent on it.

Mark Gagnon (108:33)

I see. I'm curious if you have any thoughts as far as the US space program. Obviously we're familiar with Operation Paperclip bringing infamous former Nazi aerospace scientists into the United States to build these projects programs. Do you believe that the US space program was predicated on any of this type of technology or do you think that existed in its own.

Danny Sheehan (108:55)

No, because they're, they're lighting rockets off, I mean, you know, they're like Roman candles. They light the big rocket off and shoot it up in the air is totally crazy. They're spending hundreds of billions of dollars just as a cover operation, you know, to pretend that that's the state of their art and trying to get to the moon, you know, and they've got these other craft you know, that they're working at back engineering that can, you know, move from one star system to another, you know, in a matter of seconds.

Mark Gagnon (109:21)

But you're suggesting that they haven't successfully reverse engineered this.

Danny Sheehan (109:24)

I don't, I don't believe they have. There's lots of discussion going on right now and there are different sources that I'm involved in getting to talk to who have asserted that they have seen the craft functioning, that they've reverse engineered, that they have actual man made mock up craft that can perform some of these functions and there are others who've drunk the whole Kool Aid on that deal and believe that we've got actually star faring craft and that we have an Entire division of the US Space Force that are capable of star jumping. But I don't believe that's true. I don't believe that's true.

Mark Gagnon (110:07)

Are you familiar with Jack Parsons?

Danny Sheehan (110:09)

Sure I am.

Mark Gagnon (110:10)

Do you believe that Jack Parsons occult interests and his desires to understand sort of like the spiritual realm plays any role in his aerospace or rocket propulsion science? Or do you think those two things exist independently?

Danny Sheehan (110:27)

Actually the more you know about this whole thing with UFOs, the more you might begin to suspect that they would overlap those areas. But I don't know to what degree he knew about about it back then when they set up the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, et cetera. Because lots of stuff at JPL was very nuts and bolts kind of straight ahead stuff. You've got to know an awful lot about the UFO stuff before you start crossing into this domain. You know, you start out with the mental telepathy, the ability of the pilots of the craft to telepathically navigate. Navigate the craft and that the craft being semi sentient with the stem cells in their fiber optics. And then you move on from there to other capabilities that the beings have. And then you know that the people that were involved in doing this research and investigation began discovering that because they realized that telepathy was traumatized. True that maybe some of these other psychic things are true. And one of the first things that they were most interested in was psychokinetics. They were trying to see people that could move things, you know, with their, with their mind, move, just push the pen across the table just with their mind. And that they realize that that's true. That's absolutely right. That there are people that do that.

Mark Gagnon (112:06)

And is this from sources to you or this disclosed document?

Danny Sheehan (112:09)

I've seen it done.

Mark Gagnon (112:10)

You've seen it done?

Danny Sheehan (112:11)

Oh yeah.

Mark Gagnon (112:11)

By whom?

Danny Sheehan (112:12)

Oh yeah, over Chinese Social Sciences, Department of Social Sciences Dr. Jen Zhou Jing. You know that they've got videos of them doing it. So human beings have the capacity, some people have the capacity to do that. They can actually move things with just their mind. And you know that they've now got raised robots and stuff that they can you can direct through telepathy to function. They can make little carts go around in a room and stuff like that and direct them psychically. That we've got that technology. I mean, and they're working at it partly because they've seen it done by the ETS and that they therefore know that they can do that. And they realize that the human beings latently have that capacity. So that they. Once you get into knowing you get. Got it. You know, they can really get into it. And so they're, and they're looking for people that are psychic. They've, they've recruited people that are psychic to try to pilot the craft, you know, because the normal pilots that they have, if they take that helmet and put it on them and try to get them to pilot the craft, it kind of fries their brain. And I don't mean to laugh, I mean, but, but it does that, you know, so we've lost pilots. I mean that we've spent millions of dollars training, training to fly these super F, you know, F18s, et cetera. And it just fries their brain and they're killed.

Mark Gagnon (113:39)

And is this the reverse engineered craft or is this the actual craft that they use?

Danny Sheehan (113:43)

Both. They're, they're, they're trying to, they're trying to, to transport some of the technology from the real craft. They're trying to figure out how to manufacture it. Or what they're doing is taking whole technology out of one graph and trying to put it in the other craft and see if they can make it work, you know, and, and so what they've done is they've said, look at, we better, we better stop doing this. We're, you know, running through a lot of well trained and expensive pilots. How do they die is it fries their brain.

Mark Gagnon (114:09)

Like they'll go like comatose, they just die.

Danny Sheehan (114:13)

I mean it just like, like, you know, it fries parts of your brain and the parts of the brain run your heart, run your circulatory system, run your organs and you die. You know, I mean, that's what happens.

Mark Gagnon (114:26)

Wow. Yeah.

Danny Sheehan (114:28)

So, so what they've done is they started looking for people who are psychic to begin with to get them to do it. And then they realize that, that young children tend to be more psychic when they're younger. And then the culture kind of trains it out of them, you know, attacks them for being weird or, you know, something's wrong with you, you know, and that they untrain them to do this so that they were searching for kids and they were starting to recruit kids from military bases. They would go into the schools on the military base and they would go into the families of intelligence officers and stuff to get their kids and test them because they wanted to kind of keep it in house so that they wouldn't, wouldn't leak out what they were doing. So they had this entire thing called the GATE program of recruiting young psychic get kids. And then they started going into some of the public schools actually looking for them. And they would offer them a position in the gate program. They would go and meet with their parents and give them large grants to the parents to authorize them to take their child and bring them to one of these gate schools where they were going to give them special training and full scholarships to go to college and all of that, and that they were searching for the psychic kids. And where.

Mark Gagnon (115:51)

Where are these gate schools?

Danny Sheehan (115:52)

This. That's. Where are these, what, the gate schools? There's one. One of them is at. At the base of the Grumman Field in the Southwest. There's a place there where they. And they've actually recruited some of the parents, pay them to come to the base and help cook food and take care of the kids. You know, it's a. There's. There's a whole program like these things.

Mark Gagnon (116:15)

Going on, and these kids matriculate and then go to college.

Danny Sheehan (116:18)

College, yeah.

Mark Gagnon (116:19)

And have you spoken with them?

Danny Sheehan (116:21)

I've talked to the people who have spoken, who have spoken to them.

Mark Gagnon (116:23)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (116:24)

Yeah.

Mark Gagnon (116:24)

And do these kids live normal lives with this? Do they retain their psychic abilities after the training?

Danny Sheehan (116:29)

Some. Some leave the program and don't want to be in it because they realize that it's kind of a weapons program, that they're actually training them to try to pilot these craft for military purposes, and they don't want to have anything to do with it. You know, so there. There's a spectrum of support or opposition to this program. Program, but these. These things are going on right now, you know, and that we were. We were trying to get Congress to get in place to oversee all this, you know, and set the rules and regulations. Not because you can have great confidence that they're going to withstand being manipulated and coerced by the national security state. Because, you know, I mean, these senators and congressmen are just, you know, toadies, you know, to the national security state because they're from. Afraid of them. They're afraid of the national security state. People, you know, just like Frank Church, who chaired the Church Committee, you know, his very next election, millions of dollars came pouring in mysteriously to his campaign against him, you know, up in Idaho, publicizing the fact that he supported the Equal Rights Amendment and that he supported registration of automatic weapons and Bango, he was out just like that, you know, after three, you know, winning 70% of the. The votes, you know, in his other elections. Just got booted right out. Did the same thing to Dick Clark of Iowa, who has opposed the CIA corporate operations in Africa. Did the same thing to. Was it in Indiana anyway, the term members anyway, they will oust sitting senators.

Mark Gagnon (118:06)

You lose your entire political career by going against this National Senate.

Danny Sheehan (118:09)

Absolutely. I mean, they, they mount and deploy against members of the United States Senate in the House of Representatives the same criminal covert operations that they've been authorized or believe they've been authorized, or at least they've authorized themselves to engage in against foreign adversaries. And they just turn them on the people who oppose them. I mean, we warned them. I say we, the civil liberties community people warned them when they were getting ready to pass the National Security security Act of 1947. You know, as soon as in May of 1948, the, the National Security Council issued an executive order authorizing the CIA to engage in covert operations. I mean, themselves. They authorized themselves basically to do it.

Mark Gagnon (118:57)

Right.

Danny Sheehan (118:58)

And, and Congress has just acquiesced.

Mark Gagnon (119:01)

Now, you made a comment before that one of these being beings that your, your friend Oscar spoke to or listened to the correspondence of said that they were sent by who we would call God.

Danny Sheehan (119:13)

Yes.

Mark Gagnon (119:14)

What do you. What are the implications of that?

Danny Sheehan (119:17)

Oh, huge, huge.

Mark Gagnon (119:19)

What could that mean?

Danny Sheehan (119:20)

Well, what you have to stand, Mark, is that the right, right now we've got the, the James Webb Telescope is up, right? We've had the Hubble up. We had the Max Planck up. We've got these, these spaceborne observations observatories that are in the process of identifying these exoplanets now. I mean, just. It's only the last 25 years that the scientific community even acknowledged that there were planets anywhere else of our solar system. You got to understand where we're at in history here. Okay. So, I mean, this is pretty stunning. So the bottom line is that, that what's happening is we're entering into an age now where we now recognize that there are other people planets. We now most of the people in the scientific community acknowledge that there's clearly life elsewhere in the universe. There's obviously very intelligent and highly technologically developed life elsewhere in the universe. And so what the Webb Telescope is doing right now is trying to find the exterior boundaries of the actual material universe. You've actually seen the graphic, the pictures of the universe, what it looks like, it's like this big toroid croidal, you know, with a big funnel of energy, like going up through the middle of it. There's, there's famous pictures of it, the radiation field of the. And so that in that, that our material universe, they believe to be approximately 13.8 billion years old. 13.8 billion years old. Our star is 4.7 billion years old. Our planet Earth is 3.5 billion years old, okay? So our species is only like a billion years old or 300 billion or 300 million years old, okay? So the, so the, the bottom line is, what that means is they've now discovered other galaxies out toward the edges of the physical universe that are 3.5, 13.5 billion years old. The galaxy itself, okay? Which means that there are star systems and planets and stuff inside that galaxy that could be as much as 8,9 billion years older than we are, okay? And so that they've had all that time, time even to raise up an entire species and blow themselves to smithereens with their version of nuclear weapons and still come back and still, you know, still be billions of years in advance of us, okay? So what they're doing is they're exploring at the very edges of. Of this reality. So the question that arises is, okay, so we find the exterior perimeters of the expansion of all the mass and energy that make up our physical univers universe. And so you get to the boundaries of that and you say, what's on the other side of that? Okay, what's, what's there? You know, and you have this entire postulate that it could be an absolutely infinite and completely eternal sea of completely undifferentiated consciousness that actually unfolded into being being the original discontinuity that through a process of mitosis, just replicated itself and replicated itself to the point of generating all of the inchoate quantum fields that actually go into making up every single, ultimately irreducible integer of matter in the entire universe. You know, you take, you take, you know, these, you know, the number of periodic elements that we've got in the periodic product table, and you, you, you reduce it down to one atom of that particular element, and you got so many protons and neutrons and so many electrons, right? And you, and you break them up. You can break up. We know we can break the atom now and you break it down into its constituent elements, because every single one of the atoms of every single element in the periodic table table is decaying at its rate of atomic breakdown. That's one of the major signatures of that. There's a certain rate of atomic breakdown, and it breaks down into its component elements. And then each of those elements has its own half life. And they will break down, and those will break down. And so every single one of the atoms of matter in the universe, the different elements, gammas, are breaking down. They're disintegrating all right? And they disintegrate down into their. Their neutrons and protons and electrons. And what we've discovered is that you can accelerate these particles and smash them together and they'll break down further. And so that you can break down a neutron or a proton or an electron. Down into muons and leptons and kleptons. And that you can go down an entire, entire array of these things. Until you get down to the. The absolute minimal thing, like around leptons. And you smash two of these together and they disappear completely. There's no material manifestation of them at all. Except that there is, in fact, an inchoate quantum field that remains there. And it will flash right back into a material manifestation in the next 10 billionth of a micro per second. Into either a wave of energy or a particle of mass. And then it'll flash right out of existence again. Out of material existence, right? And. And then it'll flash back into a wave of energy or particle mass and blank out of material existence again. And it does that in a sequence that is completely unpredictable. They've monitored it and monitored it. Trying to figure out if they can figure out what the pattern is Pursuant to which it chooses to manifest as a wave of energy or particles of mass. Couldn't figure out how to. Unless. Unless you direct human intention, the observer effect, to it. And if you direct human attention to it, you can affect to a statistically significant degree. Which of the two things it's going to manifest as. So what's this done is this is knocked completely into a cocked hat. The Newtonian, Cartesian, Ephesian, radical, materialist worldview. And yet they're still teaching it in high schools.

Mark Gagnon (126:01)

This is partially the double slit experiment you're describing. That the observer can actually change whether or not this exists as a wave or as a packet, as a photon.

Danny Sheehan (126:09)

And what they realize is that the entire material universe is made up of these inchoate quantum fields. Which are in their next one trillionth of a micron second manifesting as either a particle of mass or as a wave of energy. And there is a decision being made to. To collapse that wave function where they're still in a. A freak. A wave frequency down into a particular manifestation. And that if there is adequate intention directed to the next 10 billionth of a micron. A second of it manifesting in a particular choice of all the different options of reality in the next 10th billionth of a microsecond. That you can actually control reality itself with directed intention. And they Know this, okay, that they have figured this out because They've had another 9 billion years to investigate the stuff that we are all knocking on the door of right now, okay? And so that that means that they can, in fact say, okay, here's all of the different myriad realities in the next 10 billionth of a microsecond, one of which has our starcraft being in the Milky Way galaxy instead of of here where we are. And they've discovered some kind of technology, it's called psionic assist, that can ramp up the psychic capacities of a sentient being into the point where they can actually cause the double slit experiment to have it condense into this reality instead of this previous reality reality. And so that you've got a starship in a particular star system in our galaxy, and they project the reality out of the tens of billions of alternative realities that exist in the other dimension, and they can bring it into material manifestation in our own solar system.

Mark Gagnon (128:31)

So these extraterrestrials, potentially, by using psychic intention, can basically manipulate our reality reality.

Danny Sheehan (128:37)

And their reality and reality itself, so that they can transport a craft from a point in the galaxy 50 billion light years away to manifest right inside our own solar system. Because it's the double slit experiment.

Mark Gagnon (128:57)

Now, why would they do that? Like, if their intention, hypothetically, is to prevent nuclear war or to advocate for environmentalism or whatever, whatever. The people have speculated that the intention for these beings to be here is why would they manifest reality? To move craft rather than to manifest reality to make it such that Oppenheimer doesn't develop this nuclear capability?

Danny Sheehan (129:18)

Because that is a much more complex thing. In the midst of the flow of people engaging in particular actions and making particular decisions at any given one time, the things that you would have to alter, the number of things you'd have to alter in order to have that happen, are so multifarious at that point. But what they do is, it appears that what they're doing is they're obviously coming and going from our planet, right? And they're collecting flora and fauna. They've been witnessed. Hundreds of different people have seen them, you know, collecting samples and stuff, you know, so they're collecting flora and fauna, and they're collecting genetic material, including human genetic material, right? And so that they. They could be conceivably, you know, attempting to bring these genetic materials to other planets that have not yet been able to gestate life, but they're capable of sustaining life, and so that they could be seeding the universe of. Of planets to bring life to other planets. And therefore, if we have a total thermonuclear we war that, what we're going to do is totally screw this up. We're going to totally annihilate all of the living beings on our planet and we're going to totally mutate all of the genetic material, you know, over what? Over fighting over who's going to have continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials in a given part of the world so that they can promote their corporation. You know, I mean, it's, it's a lack of proper perspective at a minimum, okay, that to be engaged in these kind of short sighted things, I mean, it's like two guys who have no higher consciousness and they be in a bar and one guy thinks that he looked at the other guy's girl's butt, you know, and so he's going to get into a fistfight with him. That's just real low consciousness, right? And low consciousness is the inability ability to perceive the larger context in which you're functioning. You know, this is absurd to do things like that. You know, it's absurd, but only to the extent to which is completely inconsistent with reality. And if you don't know what the rest of reality is, you don't know that you're acting in a way that's completely disharmonious to reality itself. And so that's why I've always thought that the more people could know about, you know, what's really going on in the galaxy and in our universe, the less likely we are to be engaged in such bizarre, short term, uninformed, ignorant, fear generated activity against each other. So that they have a, they have a specific interest potentially in keeping us from having a thermonuclear nuclear war. Okay? And they've shut off our nuclear missiles, they've shut off our nuclear aircraft carriers, they've completely shut down entire carrier groups, leaving them completely helpless out in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. You know, no propulsion, no energy, no communication capacity, you know, an entire entire carrier group to just say, look at, we can do this, but you guys ought to smarten up, you know, you ought to try to avoid doing this. You know, and so the same thing is true that, you know, that the pouring, they say over and over again, you've got to stop polluting your planet. You keep on pouring all these chemicals and stuff into your rivers and into your lakes and pumping all this crap up into the atmosphere. You're ruining your entire climate system. You know, you, you ought to stop doing this. And, and so People say, you know, why don't they just do it? Why don't they just stop? And it. It reminds me that I remember that Lou. Lou Alizond and I had just come from one of the meetings with the inspector general in the Defense Department, right? And we went to this little restaurant that was closed, but Lou or somebody knew who the people were. So we were all alone. And there were some other guys that were from. From aatip, some of the staff that were there. We were sitting at the table, and one of the guys said, you know, why don't they just come down and. And, you know, stop the people from doing these awful things. And I said, you know, really, you gotta remember there's a famous story about this little boy who loved butterflies. And he collected all kinds of different butterflies. And he had. Out in his backyard, he had this great big mesh net with all the butterflies flying around inside it and stuff. And he wanted to find a perfect specimen of a monarch butterfly. And he finally found this cocoon of a monarch butterfly. Perfect cocoon. He brings it back home, he puts it in this little box with cotton in it, and he puts little lights on it to keep it warm. He's watching it, observing it, waiting for it kind of to go through this metamorphosis. And finally it gets to the point where the butterfly is trying to break out of the cocoon, and it's struggling and struggling against the cocoon, and it finally breaks out of the cocoon, and it's struggling against this last silken thread of the cocoon, and it's pushing and slapping its wings and flapping all over the place. And the little boy's washing it and washing. And he starts to feel really sorry for this butterfly. So he goes and he gets a little pair of scissors and he snips the last little silken thread. Thread. And the butterfly comes loose. And it's an absolute perfect specimen of a monarch butterfly, except that it can never fly. Because it turns out that it was in struggling against that last silken thread that I had to develop the muscle structure that enabled it to fly. And so that's what's happening here, is that they're watching us, monitoring us, waiting for us to develop, you know, the kind of muscle structure and the kind of moral fabric that we have to have to be trusted to come into community with them. You know, if we're allowed, if we can figure out the star jump technology, our guys that are presently in charge of this program are perfectly willing to mount up with nuclear weapons and just star jump Right to their star system, to their planet and say, let's get rid of these guys as a potential threat against us, you know, or they're potentially going to interfere with us, you know, mining the asteroid fields or something. You know, the, the level of consciousness that our people are at right now is so low that they're afraid of allowing us to come into the community. And so that what they're doing is they're trying to seed all kinds of information to us, you know, bringing, bringing people aboard their craft saying, let us tell you something, you know, you got to do everything that you can do to try to get both these, all these sides to get rid of these nuclear weapons. This is totally crazy what you're doing to yourself. You know, showing those little kids at the aerial school the kind of, you know, trees without leaves and deserts as far as you can see and stuff on our planet because of our not paying attention to protect our own climate system. You know, these are, these are things that they're doing. It's all by indirection and trying to seed, you know, ideas to us. I'm saying that this is what's going on and what we're dealing with is people with extremely low consciousness. Not that they're not smart. Some of the people in the intelligence community are extremely smart, you know, and people who are in the military are really pretty smart people, but that their perspective is so limited, you know, that they, they've got, they're so tunnel visioned about what their assignment is, you know, that they've been raised in this culture of believing that. I talked to one, I talked to one of the fellows who said that, you know, well, you know, if there's this third world country that has got some natural resource that is of real value to us, well, we should go and take it. Because if we don't go take it, China will go take it or Russia will go take it. So we'll, we'll go take it. First I said, I was like, well, don't you understand that's aggressive war. That, that, that's completely a violation of all the just war theories. No, no, it's not. That's all just a bunch of language. They say, you know, they don't have any sense of moral constraint at all. And, and so that what we're, what we're trying to do is that I, I started working on this stuff from Jesuit Hector headquarters, you know, that I was there as a, as a candidate for the Jesuit priesthood and I was, you know, in their social ministry office trying to Figure out what the public policies were for all 15 of the major cabinet level offices in all eight of the major federal agencies. That's what I was doing. I was, you know, I studied it all at Harvard College and had all these different, you know, Kissinger for foreign policy and that, you know, had all these other, you know, Reesman for sociology and all that stuff, and went on to Harvard Law School. And, you know, so I said, you know, I'm, I'm prepared to help on this. I know how the government works. I know how the different departments are. I know what all the different committees are about. You know, let's, let's start figuring out what policies we ought to have here. And one of the things that the Jesuit order was devoted to was the elimination from our planet of thermonuclear war weapons. Because the, because the, the superior general of the Jesuits was Pedro Arrupe. When I was there. Pedro Arrupe was a surgeon, a medical doctor from Spain. He was from the Basque territory of Spain. He was a surgeon, a medical doctor and had decided to become a Jesuit priest back in the 1930s in Spain. And he started preaching from the pulpit against Franco, saying that Franco was a fascist, an authoritarian, and just like Mussolini and Hitler, that these guys, it was a really bad idea here that these guys have got, this is going to come to the ruination of our whole country. And he began preaching about that. And it turns out that Mussolini had assigned a, a three man team to go kill him. And one of the guys felt so bad about being ordered to go kill a priest that he went to confession. And in the confessional he said, father, you know, I got this real problem here. You know, I'm a patriot. I support Franco. You know, I've been instructed to go kill this priest. And I feel really terrible about it. And, and so he confessed it. And so the priest gets done with the confessional. He, he goes and talks to his bishop and says, I got a problem here. You know, I got this guy in the confessional that said he's assigned to kill this guy Pedro Rupe, you know, and so the bishop calls the provincial, the Jesuit provincial and says, you know, your guy's getting set to be killed. You got to get him out of here. So they take, they take Pedro Arrupe and they put him in a monastery to hide him out. And it turns out that it's a Zen monastery. And so he ends up being in the Zen monastery throughout the, the duration of World War II until it turns out that it was in Hiroshima. So he was up in this monastery high in the mountains outside of the city of Hiroshima when we dropped the bomb on it. And on August 6th of 1945, and it completely knocked down the entire monastery, collapsed all the buildings and stuff. And. But he was far enough away that it didn't kill him, but it knocked the whole place in and knocked him out. He regained consciousness and he could see. All he could see in the wreckage was the clock that was on the wall all stopped. And he said he realized that regular time had stopped, that we had entered into a new era where whatever this horrible weapon was, it spelled potential doom of our entire species. And he climbed out of the rubble and organized all the other monks to go down into the city of Hiroshima and led the people out from under the mushroom cloud before it all came and fell down on everybody else and poisoned everybody. And he led these people up into mountains and attended to them as a medical doctor, surgeon, and then devoted himself to trying to get rid of nuclear weapons. So his. His apostolate, his mission as a Jesuit had become getting rid of nuclear missiles, right? And weapons. So he. All the way from 1945, all the way up to 1962, which is 20 years, whatever it is, that he was working on that. And what happened is when John xxiii, Pope John xxiii, replaced Pius xii, who had signed the concordat with the Nazis, that when. When John XXIII decided he was going to convene Vatican ii. Now we get to your mom and the folks, right, that when they. He was going to convene Vatican and two, he wanted to have a committee on ecumenical relations with other religions. And so he picked Pedro Arrupe because he was Zen. He was like a Zen Buddhist now. And so he brought him in to chair the committee on Ecumism, or ecumenical relations. So he was in Rome in 1962 when the superior General of the Jesuits died. And so John XXIII nominated suggested Pedro Arrupe to be the new Superior General of the Jesuits. Well, that's the kiss of death. You know, the Jesuit provincials will never pick a guy that the Pope picks because then he wouldn't have any independence at all as an order, right? So there wasn't any chance they were going to pick him. But it turns out that the Secretary of State for Pius XII was still alive in 1962, Cardinal Vo, who had been a Vichy French Nazi, you know, supporter of the Vichy French. Right. And so it was an ad. An aggressive advocate of signing the concordat with the Nazis. And so he ended up being so freaked out about the fact that Pedro Arrupe had been recommended by John 23rd to be the superior General. He kabashed it. He said, I'm going to the conclave. So all 100 provincials from around the world were called into Rome, just like they do the cardinals, to pick a new pope. They brought in all 100 of the Jesuit provincials, and they were in conclave. And Cardinal Viaud violated all of the normal norms and went over to where the conclave was and started going around buttonholing the different provincials, saying, you can't vote for this guy or Rupe, He's a communist. He. He opposed Franco. So they're all saying, really? He opposed Franco? He said, yeah. And they said, oh, we better take another look at this guy. And so they chose him. They chose Pedro Rupe to be the Superior General of the Jesuits in 1962. Right.

Mark Gagnon (144:30)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (144:31)

And so the. The provincials, the hundred provincials are still there in Rome, and they're going to go to the Jew, which is the beginning. The of international headquarters for the Jesuits is right next to the basilica. And so they go in there to have this little soiree, you know, with drinks and. And, you know, hors d' oeuvres, and hang out and get to meet the guy, right? So they come in and, like, all the furniture is gone, and there's no cigarettes. There's no hors d', oeuvres, there's no drinks. All There are is 100 Zafu pillows sitting there in this big semicircle waiting for the guys to come in. And here's Pedro sitting in a Zen meditation waiting for him. And they. They're all going, what is this all about? Who is this guy? You know, do we get another chance to vote for somebody else? You know, and so they finally all grumble and they take their shoes off and they sit down, these little zafu pillows. And. And Pedro just there, and he just opens his eyes up like this, and he says, I have seen the end times. You said to him, I was there. He said, and we have got to do something about this. You know, we are the order that was established in 1537 to reform this church. You know, this church was selling indulgences, and, you know, it was gross, and, you know, every, you know, murdering people, everything, you know, with the Medicis and everything, you know, we've. We've got to retake up the task of reforming the. This church. He said, you know, we've been spending the last hundred years hanging out in royal Courts and, and, you know, waiting to speak the prophetic word into the word, into the ear of the, the, the king, you know, at the auspicious moment and, you know, palling around with all these rich people, you know, and we're not doing our job. So he said, look, we're going to have to undertake some radical change in, in the church and in everything else else here. He said, and this is now 1962, right when they're getting set to do Vatican II. So he says, you know, we're going to have to take some dramatic steps to open the church up to get the laity to participate in this, to basically try to get them to understand that, you know, that the church back in, you know, in the, you know, 1,000, you know, the first thousand years of the church, you know, the treaty of, you know, the various conclaves that they had, you know, that they inserted themselves, the, the priesthood inserted themselves right in between the infinite and the eternal. And the laity and said, you know, the laity, it's not your job. It's not your job to try to experience God. It's not your job to try to experience the numinous experience that we're in charge of that, you know, we'll handle this for you. You, you come, you know, you give us, you come to church every Sunday, you do what we tell you to do on the holy days of obligation. You know, you don't have to understand what we're saying in the mass, you know, we'll do it in Latin because it's got you guys all, you really love the Latin. Oh, this is really mysterious. I don't know what the you're saying, you know, but I don't care because it's really, really interesting, you know, and we'll, you know, blow smoke on you and we'll ring the bells. We'll do all these kind of things. It's like neuro linguistic programming, you know, that will get you into this kind of stuff, state of euphoria where you're open to listening to us, you know, and they're saying that's the best we can figure out what to do because, you know, 99.9% of all the people are completely illiterate. You know, they can't read anything. You know, they, they don't travel more than 50 miles away from the place where they were born. Right. You know, so that what we're going to do is we're going to figure out this way of us, you know, going to monasteries and sitting and meditating and doing all this kind of. Kind of stuff and developing these faculties, you know, and then we'll figure out how to tell you what to do. Well, how's that working for us? You know? How's that working for us? Not well at all. You know, we're on the brink of totally destroying ourself with thermonuclear war. You know. You know that we got 10 million people dying of starvation every year. We got people dying of diseases that we've known the cure for for 100 years. And while other people are, you know, buying yachts and having country homes and stuff, you know, this is not. Not working. You know, we've got to do something about this. What we've got to do is we've got to devote ourselves to taking steps to disassemble the structural sources of injustice, not just in Western civilization, but in Eastern civilization as well. This whole violation of individual human rights and stuff in the eastern. In the Eastern countries, you know, that's our job, okay? Most of you aren't capable of doing. Doing this, he said. You know, you smoke cigarettes, you drink alcohol. Time said, you know, half of you've got mistresses that totally compromise you, he said, so you may not be able to make it, but, you know, if you can, I'd love to have you help us in this, he said, but what I'm going to do is order you now all to have to start engaging in 40 day. 40 days of complete silent retreats every single year, every single, single one of you, okay? And for you to search your soul and to meditate and fast and do the things. The things that we know that are helpful in developing your spiritual consciousness, you know, not smoking cigarettes and drinking whiskey and carousing with rich people and, you know, Knights of Columbus and, you know, Knights of Malta and all these things that you guys are doing. You know, you. You gotta do this, he said, and so that. I'll call. Call you back, he said, but I may have to replace a bunch of you. This is 1962, okay? This is the time period when 1962, later on October is the Cuban Missile crisis, right? Where Kennedy had. In 1960, in April, after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, had promised the kid Cross Khrushchev that. That Kennedy would stop the raids and stuff that were going on down against Cuba that were all being run by Richard Nixon under Eisenhower. He was the Vice president under Eisenhower. From 1952 to 1960. He ran the 5412 committee that ran all covert operations pursuant to the national security Act of 1947. Right. Okay. And so that Kennedy promised that he would stop all those. Those attacks, and he just lied to Khrushchev and he just changed it from Operation 40 to Operation Mongoose and just continued the operations. And so. So Khrushchev says, screw you, I'm putting missiles into Cuba.

Mark Gagnon (151:10)

And Fidel teams up with Krishna.

Danny Sheehan (151:12)

So he. He's. So he starts sending missiles in to protect this island against, you know, overthrow by the United States military, blah, blah, you know, and gets a foothold in Western civilization. Civilization. And so we have the whole Cuban Missile crisis, right? We come to within, like, a minute and a half of having a total thermonuclear war, you know, and we know all the details about that now. We know that Curtis LeMay, who was the head of the. He's the Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force, wanted to have a thermonuclear exchange with Russia. He was convinced that we would only lose 40 million people, but we would wipe them out. You know, we were vastly superior to them. We'd wipe them out, and we could come back from losing 40 million people. Russia had come back from losing 20 million people in the war, and that was Curtis LeMay. And so he actually gave the order without any presidential authorization, to go to Defcom 2, without any authorization of the President at all. And he did it in the open.

Mark Gagnon (152:14)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (152:14)

So that all the Russians would hear him, went to Defcom 2 and ordered the U2 flight over Russia, which was going to do all the final retargeting of all the missiles to try to instigate a nuclear war. And Kennedy found out about this and they finally stopped it, but, like, a minute and a half short of Russia having to launch their missiles. All right? And so Kennedy and Khrushchev were so completely Trump traumatized. This is 1962. This is right when Pedro Rupe comes in. This is when John XXIII is the. Is the Pope, right? And so what Kennedy and Khrushchev start doing is they start exchanging a series of completely confidential letters to each other. And they have this guy named Norman Cousins carries them back and forth. 18 letters back and forth and back and forth. Not. Not authorized by the CIA, not cleared by the State Department, not. Not even informing them that it was going on. And the two of them decide that what they're going to do is they're going to exercise their respective executive powers to start disassembling the nuclear warheads of the entire arsenals of the Soviet Union and the United States and destroying them, not putting them on a shelf so they could just be put back on in 48 hours, but just destroy them. And all of that's to going, going on. And what Kennedy decides is that what he's going to do is to make up for the lack of massive spending on this hugely expensive nuclear weapons program in the United States and in Russia. They're going to have the economic stimulus of having a joint space program, that what they're going to do is have a joint Soviet United States space program exploring the other, the other star systems. Okay? And what he does is on June 5th of 1963, he sends an order to John McConnell, who is the new CIA director, ordering him to brief Kennedy on all the UFO stuff. He knows it's there. He knows that he hasn't been briefed on it. He wants to have the information because he's going to share it with Khrushchev, saying, if we're going to have a joint space program, I want you to know what it is for. We know because we're going to encounter these beings and we want to get you to know about this. So he notifies John McCone that he wants to get the briefing on this. McCone tells the other guys in the CIA, Bissell and Angleton and the others, they go right straight to Allen Dulles. And even though Dulles had been fired back in December after the Cuban Missile crisis, humiliated by Canada, Dulles has never left, never left Washington. He's got the big townhouse over in Georgia, Georgetown, functionally running the CIA because he's legal counsel for Brown Brothers Harriman. Brown Brothers Harriman is the one that's made up of all of those private investors, which are the duponts, the Rockefellers, the Harrimans, the people who own the steel industry, they own the railroads, they own the agribusiness corporations. They're the robber barons, right? And they've all come together in this Brown Brothers Herman operation that they've got, right? And at the end of World War I, that when. When the Bolsheviks overthrew Tsar Nicholas II, right. And threw him out and established the Bolshevik government. The Secretary of State, Robert Lansing, orders this military expedition into Russia to try to kill the Russian Revolution, the cradle, right? And it turns out that, that Robert Lansing is the son in law of John W. Foster, who was the Secretary of State under William Henry Harrison, who had overthrown the Hawaiian Islands, was the one that initiated this huge age of American imperialism, which is called that in high school civics. Yeah, Right. And it started to set the Stage for the 1898 Spanish American War to overthrow Cuba and, and, and all that. And. And his two grandsons, sons, John W. Foster, are John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles, both of whom are lawyers, and Sullivan and Cromwell, which is legal counsel for Brown Brothers Harriman.

Mark Gagnon (156:31)

So what happens when Dulles finds out about this plan to talk to Khrushchev?

Danny Sheehan (156:34)

Dulles greenlights the assassination team that had been put together by Richard Nixon back in 1960 to kill Fidel Castro, to kill the President, because he's a traitor. He's having completely secret negotiations with, with Khrushchev and has decided he's going to disassemble the nuclear warheads of our United States military arsenal. He said, and so that we can't wait a year for the next elections, you know, we're going to kill him. And you've already been trained to kill Castro. You know, you've been trained down in Oaxaca, Mexico, on the ranch of, of. Who was it? The guy who owned. Owned a ranch on Wah. Oaxaca. Clint merchison jr. His name is. And I know the guy that trained him. Carl Jenkins was the guy that trained them in triangular rifle fire to kill a moving target. And those are the guys that killed him. And Dulles says, this guy's a traitor. You want to kill him anyhow because he, after the Cuban Missile crisis, shut down all the military bases, shut off all of that Operation 40, which is now Mongoose, you know, so you guys have your own reason wanting to kill him. Go ahead and kill him. And that's what they did.

Mark Gagnon (157:46)

And then Kennedy gets killed and they set up the Warren Commission. And who's in charge of that?

Danny Sheehan (157:50)

And Dulles is the main guy. Okay, so, so what I'm saying is that this, the, the request to get the information about the UFO stuff played a role in triggering the decision to kill him. Not because he was asking for the ufo. UFO stuff was because it revealed the fact that he was. As soon as he realized that something was going on, they investigated and found out he was exchanging these letters with Khrushchev. And once he found out what the decision was that they were making in the letters, he said, that's it. You know, let's get this guy.

Mark Gagnon (158:24)

It was the attempt to denuclearize and lose the.

Danny Sheehan (158:26)

He was going to eliminate the nuclear weapons. And they, in Brown Brothers Herriman knew that they needed the nuclear weapons weapons. Not against Russia, against China. This is where the China lobby sits, is in Brown Brothers Harriman. These are the ones who Decided at the end of World War I that what they were going to do is they were going. They were going to turn their attention to developing the entire Pacific and all the Asian markets for them. And they were going to put Germany in charge of Europe. And so what they did, Brown Brothers had Herriman, the. The CEO of Brown Brothers Herriman, George Herbert Walker steps down and retires, turns the. The CEO position over to. To Prescott Bush, his son in law. He goes and founds the Union bank of New York. And it's capitalized by all these rich guys that are in Brown Brothers, Herriman, they capitalize the bank. They set up a foreign subsidiary up in the Netherlands called the bank of shipping and commerce, run by this guy for c theizen. They financed the construction of the international headquarters of the third Reich to establish Germany as the bulwark against Bolshevism in Europe. And that's a true fact.

Mark Gagnon (159:42)

Wow.

Danny Sheehan (159:42)

That's where it came from, that whole operation. Because they believed in the same theory that Mussolini said is, you know, is that you. You use. You just. You utilize the instrumentalities of your government to serve the interests of the private corporations and that they can, in fact, then maintain their continued privileged access to the strategic raw materials that are needed by their major corporations.

Mark Gagnon (160:07)

What's up, people? We're going to take a break because we got new merch. That's right. It is the holiday season. And the good folks over at Camp R and D have been cooking up in the lab. We got the Christmas sweaters with the aliens. We got the Christmas sweaters with the conspiracy vibes you already know. I mean, this one might be my favorite, favorite one. A Christmas tree full of aliens. Full Christmas sweater energy. And then, of course, if you just want something simple, you know, you bust out the camp logo tea with the little Christmas lights on it. Come on, bro. Get cute for Christmas, okay? It is a holiday season, all right? We're celebrating the birth of the savior, okay? And what better way to do it than to cop a couple threads for the person in your life that you know that loves a campsite that loves hanging with us every single week. And right now we're running a promo through the holidays. That's right. Use the promo code. Christmas camp for 15% off. I just made that up on the spot. But I think we can do it, right?

Danny Sheehan (161:00)

I'll call some people.

Mark Gagnon (161:00)

Christmas camp for 20 for 15% off. Sure, 16% off. Whatever you say, Mark. Should we give them more?

Danny Sheehan (161:08)

One more.

Mark Gagnon (161:09)

17% off, people, we don't. I think this is going to work. I'm not positive we're going to see if we can do it, but I'll. Yeah, check it out, guys. We got all the camp stuff going until the end of the year. Check it out. Thank you guys so much for supporting the show.

Danny Sheehan (161:21)

I love you all.

Mark Gagnon (161:22)

God bless and merry Christmas. How much do you think family bloodlines play a role in maintaining this corporate interest in these raw materials?

Danny Sheehan (161:29)

Well, for the most part. For the most part, the shares of stock are passed down generationally, but primogeniture doesn't work that well. I mean, they tried it in the royal family and up with these morons, you know, of the. Of the kids, or they're playboys that don't have any kind of training, or they don't care about what they're doing, you know, and they, of course, can't have their daughters take over the. Because they're such. You know, they're so biased against women. And so. So the bottom line, it doesn't work that well. That's why. That's why the. The. The majestic group that Truman set up is they, Each of them got to pick their successor, but they weren't picking their eldest son. They were motivated by high mission, and that they picked the person that they thought was the most competent possible person who could be carrying on this extraordinarily secret program to be able to establish complete control over this technology so they could develop the weapon system that would put them an entire. Entire two generations ahead of everybody else of being able to have propulsion system to move their craft, you know, you know, to. To, you know, propel a. A nuclear payload from launch into the heart of Russia or China within two minutes.

Mark Gagnon (162:49)

I see. So where does that leave us? With God?

Danny Sheehan (162:53)

That leaves us. That leaves us with the fact that if you. If you. If you believe that it's possible that these extraterrestrial beings, who may have had an additional 8 or 9 billion years more to investigate these issues that we ourselves have been dealing with, which has to do with the relationship of this consciousness that abides within us, that is conditioned by the place where you're born, is conditioned by who your relatives are. You've got genetic dispositions that are in you from your ancient ancestors. Ancestors. You have almost certainly astrological predilections. I mean, if you've ever talked to a person who is a really accomplished astrologer, they'll sit right there and tell you all the description of who your wife is, what your favorite colors are, what your favorite pastimes are. You sit there and go, what the hell is this all about? Because you don't know any better that there are just these kind of dispositions that you have. Because everybody knows, knows that the moon, for example, attracts and sucks off hundreds of trillions of tons of water off to one side of the planet every single day because of the attraction of each unit of matter in the universe is attracted to every other one. And so this attraction that it has for the water sucks it all off onto one side of the planet every day on the side of where the moon is. So you know that there are these tractor forces that are operating on the planet all the time. It's just a fact question. It's a fact question whether during the gestation of your self, you know, in the body that you're going to be inhabiting the genetic material of 24 of the chromosomes from your mother and 24 from your father joined together form the original cell and then it through mitosis generates additional cells until the blastula is developed. And then the embryo, the zygote develops in the womb in this pool of fluid to which they're exposed to all of these different tractor forces. True. Not any doubt about it, you know, just like we got radio waves and stuff going through us here, you know, that they're tractor force. Just a fact question whether that has some effect upon you. And the fact of the matter is, the reason why it's so important is to know where you were born physically where you were. It isn't where you were born so much, it's where you were gestated. Because you were then subjected for a whole nine months to the particular confluence of forces that your mother's womb was exposed to during all this period of time in which you reject gestated. And so the question is, can that have any effect upon your dispositions? You know, and, and I'm just telling you, I can absolutely guarantee you if you have a really accomplished. And they're not mind readers or anything. They're. They're. They just know what the data says about people that were born in this gestated, in this particular physical geo. Space, in this particular time with the given configuration in. And here's, here's the kind of unreflecting dispositions that you'll have if you don't know it. You just think they're your own best ideas, you know, coming from your own mother wit. But it's not, you know, just like your genetic material, you know, that whole, that whole thing where your grandmother will say, you know, look at Mark. Look at that.

Mark Gagnon (166:37)

He's.

Danny Sheehan (166:38)

He's. He walks just like his grandfather. Look at that. Did you see that? You know, and like some of the young women, they'll say, you know, you see how she does that thing with her hair like that? It's just like her aunt used to do, her grandmother used to do. And she hasn't. She never even met her. You know, they're just these things that. That you do that are unconscious. And they. They come up out of your. Your cellular training. You know, you have cellular memory from all these things. And so that we know that what we're trying to do in meditation is you're trying to transcend in consciousness all of these kind of predispositions that are not subject to your own conscious decision. And as you elevate more and more and higher. Higher consciousness, and you get into a place where you can actually get into the state of meditation where all you're doing is paying attention to your breathing in and breathing out and breathing in and breathing out. And you're sitting in a position where tens of thousands of other human beings down through the centuries have sat in that exact same same posture, same breathing in, breathing out. And what you do is you discover that you get to a state of consciousness where you've transcended all of these other predilections. And that you dwell in that place and what happens is you start to discern things there. They had a set of experiments that were actually done at Downstate Medical center back in 1970. 65, I think it was, in that they. They brought together, like an Indian faker, a Buddhist monk, A Trappist monk, and a bunch of others. Excuse me. And they brought them all together, and they. They had them get in this little booth. They had. They had this booth with this computer on the top. Had these thousands of little hair, thin cilia that hung down into the booth that could discern minuscule voltage differentiation between one. One filament and the other. And they would have you get in. They say, here, each of you get in this little booth and do that. Do that thing that you guys do, you know, and what happens is each and every one of them, they would get in the booth, they would either kneel down, squat down, sit down. They would get into a posture where their back was completely erect like this. And the second thing that they would do is they would start to chant. They would start a prayer or a chant or some kind of mantra that they would start doing. And that they would, you know, exhale all the air, and then they'd inhale the air, and then they'd. And so they got dual doing that. And then they discovered that the third thing they discovered is that the amount of time they spent exhaling doing this chant or prayer in the time they spent inhaling was virtually identical, even though they did entirely different prayers and different chants and stuff. And then the fourth thing that they discovered is that the alpha waves in their brain would start becoming more and more prayer pronounced because they. They had them in electrocephalograms and electrocardiograms. They had them all hooked up to the very scientific. This thing they were doing, right. They discovered that the alpha waves started increasing dramatically in their brain. And then that the. The fifth thing they discovered is that the. The photoplasma around their body, this energy field around their body started energizing. And it was. And it was kind of pulsing kind of lightly around their body and that with these cilia that were hanging down all around them, they could actually monitor it at that time. That was the technology that they had available. And they could tell that the. The energy envelope that was being generated by your body, that the center of it was inside your body. It was inside your body, below your heart and like by your solar plexus inside your body. Right? And then they discovered that, that the. That the. That this energy envelope around your body, as you got deeper and deeper into the meditation, would start to pulsate in direct sync with your heartbeat. And so that they had these people there, chanting, breathing, electric field just pulsing like this in direct sync with their heartbeat. And what they concluded is that they, their body, the human body, functioned, functions like a crystal radio set that it can actually pick up the bonding phenomenon that bonds every single, ultimately irreducible energy of matter in the entire universe into unity with every other one. And that there's this entire unified field that bonds the whole universe together. And it has a very particular form frequency, you know, with a particular amplitude and pitch in that. What it does is that you can actually directly experientially engage with this phenomenon and that it downloads information.

Mark Gagnon (172:05)

And. Is that God?

Danny Sheehan (172:07)

It's. No, no. This is just inside the material universe. This is just inside the material universe. This is all. All of that voodoo. This is. This is all that stuff of the, you know, that people can get psychic abilities, they can see the future, they can tell the past there. There's a whole set of occult kind of things that. That people can do with this stuff. Right? But. But the. The question that remains is that is There another capacity that the human body has that can actually go outside of this entire field, unified field, and go outside the physical limitations of the material universe and experience the infinite and eternal. And if you get into that complete state, it's a, it's a state where you are in complete union with the infinite and eternal and that you're not troubled by any of the idiosyncrasies or any of the kind of sub messaging that you're in. This, this state of perfect quiescent being, you know, and then the question is, can you still move around? Okay, can you get up and walk around? Can you conduct yourself? And this is the state that you're in when in fact you are in union with the infinite, that this, the Father, the source of all being, you know, in the. You discover that you are in direct unity union with this. It doesn't mean you're God. What it means is that God is not a person, a localized being. Yeah. Not, not like, not like a homo sapien, so we don't have to worry about. Oh, you mean the God might be a reptile, you know? No, but he's not a homo sapien either. And it's not a he, you know, and it's not a noun. It's not a noun. It's a verb. It's a, it's a, it's a non. An intransitive verb, non transitive verb of being, simple being. Okay? In that all of the efforts to thingify it, to nounify it, to genderize it, all this kind of stuff are all functions of our culture, of different cultures on the planet.

Mark Gagnon (174:20)

Can Catholics attain this through prayer?

Danny Sheehan (174:23)

Well, not with authority from the church yet. Because the church still is in that mindset of interposing itself between this experience and the infinite and eternal, that they think that it's like sinful, it's like occult, it's, you know, you're defying the authority of the hierarchy of the Church.

Mark Gagnon (174:43)

Can Buddhists access it?

Danny Sheehan (174:45)

Yes, that's part of the Hindus and Buddhists and Catholic Trappist monks and nuns and stuff that actually do the meditation. Japanese Jesuits that do the Ignatian spiritual exercises, you know, but, but that they've restricted it to people in the professed religious life. You know, they, they haven't, they haven't shared it with, with the laity. And so, you know, now they're starting, you know, something's going wrong here. I mean, they're losing, losing the grip on everybody.

Mark Gagnon (175:19)

How do we know it's good?

Danny Sheehan (175:20)

Pardon?

Mark Gagnon (175:20)

How do we know that it's good.

Danny Sheehan (175:23)

Because knowing more is always better. Not allowing other people to keep secrets from you and manipulate you because they assume that you're not capable of making your own decisions about yourself is usually a bad idea. And it just coincidentally tends to inure to the benefit of those that are keeping the secret, you know, and they just say it just happens to be coincidental, you know, but it's not, you know. Now that doesn't mean that the average Joe, you know, that is driving a truck or something and doesn't pay any attention to anything but watching football, you know, all of a sudden you're going to plug him into the wall and he's going to have this experience and he's going to, you know, do anything much with it. But the, but the fact of the matter is this is the salvation dynamic. This is the salvation dynamic.

Mark Gagnon (176:17)

What about the Garden of Eden?

Danny Sheehan (176:18)

Garden of Eden is a metaphor. Clearly. It's a metaphor that hearkens all the way back into the, the primordial origins. You screed Teilhard, I mean, Teilhard de Chardan writes about this at some length. You know, all about the phenomenon of man. You know, he's the one, he's the, the Jesuit paleontologist that discovered Peking man, actually. And he said, look, I know how to do this, you know, Let me tell you, tell you, you know, that you need to really understand that Jesus was displaying and actually said, you know, that you will do much greater things than I eventually, you know, and do not, do not pay so much attention to what it is I'm saying to you. It's what I am, Understand what I am. That Jesus was the, the demonstration out of time of where our human family is evolving, that we're evolving these kind of capacities, the, the ability to, to lay hands on and heal people, to reestablish the electric balances in the system of the human body that are extraordinarily subtle to levitate, walk on water, you know, transmute water into wine. High cities can do this, you know, and all, all the churches don't pay attention to that. Nothing to say. See here, don't go look into all these other Sufis and Hindus and stuff like that, because Jesus is the only one. It's the only one. And that's totally common to tribalism.

Mark Gagnon (177:50)

Now, when you say knowing more is always better, do you see any similarities with the Garden of Eden that the serpent might appear to Adam and Eve and say, oh, eat from this tree, you'll know more.

Danny Sheehan (178:00)

That's a very Interesting image of what that is all about, of suggesting that you have to remain completely subservient to the will of God in this serpent who is of the world is going to try to lure you into believing that just by getting more knowledge that you can be superior to God. That's true enough in itself is clear that just a whole bunch of additional information, you know, isn't necessarily going to make you a saint. There's an openness of the heart, there's an openness to love and the kind of unctuous, supportive, loving nature of the universe and of all reality that you have to open yourself to and to share that type of joy. The good news, you know, with everything, everyone, that's a, that's a calling that you have. But, but I don't, I don't think it's a proper thing to demonize or serpentine serpentize if you will. You know, knowledge like it's the enemy of, of good or of innocence. You know, there's, there's all kinds of stuff and you know, you, you can go through all kinds of portions of the, the Bible to say here, you know, you have to go in and seize the land of Israel and crush the heads of babies with the stones and bury their women and kill them all. You know, you know, you go, excuse me, you know, I don't think so. You know, I mean, you can get carried away and suggest that I'm somehow unreligious, you know, if I don't think that's a good idea, you know, but so I don't, I'm not worried about that, about people saying, you know, oh you're, you're not accepting literally the translation of the Bible, not taking it as a directive of things that you're supposed to do. What people do is they tend to scan the entire writings, not only the writings of the Bible, but of the New Testament and the Gospels and the so called missing Gospels of Thomas and the others. But I think that the war against the Nazis, Gnostics, you know, is in inside the Catholic Church is perfectly understandable why they would do it. But you know that it's, that it's totally unsupportable. You know what they're, the Gnostics are the people that were actually trying to strengthen this type of direct experience that people could have of the numinous, of the infinite and the eternal. You know, now you'll know them by their fruits as to whether or not that turns to them being really wonderful, decent people. But I think that the Gnostic Writings that really come from the tablets from Anurabi or whatever it was called that found the tablets, that those are all important additions to the scriptures and Nag Hammadi, Nagamati, you know, in the, you know that the King James Version of the Bible, there's all kinds of scholarship about it. Now you look, if you look at, there's, there's a book, I should know what the name of it is that tracks the entire process by means of which they compiled the King James Version of the Bible and the things they excluded and the things that they rewrote and the things like that, you know, you shouldn't be surprised about it. You know, I mean it's the way our human family is. But to have people that, you know that lock onto that King James Version of the Bible Bible and interpret it as absolutely totally literal into the point of demonizing anybody who doesn't believe it. It's just a further example of kind of primitive tribalism of segments of our human family.

Mark Gagnon (181:56)

Do you think people have used these meditative abilities to download bad things or evil things?

Danny Sheehan (182:03)

It's a really, it's clear that there are people, people who have been blessed with capabilities, evolutionary qualities that haven't had the kind of moral training that they should have and that they have begun. They've, over the course of their youth, in, into their adulthood, they've learned to kind of utilize those things for their own personal short term benefit into the point where they, as grown ups, they're into manipulating, in utilizing this and, and it actually finds some of its manifestation in these high weird, you know, evil occult gatherings, you know, where they run into some of those kind of people that have got some of these kind of skills that are completely unmorally moored. Yeah, yeah. So people can do that. People can use some of these kind of abilities. Abilities for immoral activities.

Mark Gagnon (183:06)

When Aleister Crowley summons Lamb, this demon that he sort of sketches, what do you make of that? And can we pull an image up of that?

Danny Sheehan (183:14)

Yeah, I think this Aleister Crowley stuff and people playing around with these kind of skills is dangerous stuff. It's dangerous stuff.

Mark Gagnon (183:28)

It's always significant to me that in the, the 30s, I believe he summoned this entity that looks, I mean stereotypically alien.

Danny Sheehan (183:37)

Well, I'll, I'll admit that it has that look. I mean their eyes are not really the alien eyes. The kind of, the huge head is big. I mean that, that they have in common, but that the, the, the alien beings have virtually no, no structure like that, that in the eyes are Very, very different. You know, they're much, much bigger than that, and they go all the way around to their temples, you know. But, but I, I, I see what is you're saying. I've never actually seen that picture. I've never paid that much. Oh, really? So as soon as I, as soon as I bumped into Crowley and realized I'm not going there, I don't, I don't, I'm not particularly liking this guy. Right. You know, I don't think he's doing the right, right stuff. So I, I didn't really pursue that very much. I, I just gave a lecture at the Los Angeles Philosophical Society, and, and I was, I was, well, I was in the green room waiting while all the crowd and stuff came in. I kind of snuck out the back, went over to their little library that they had there. They had one of the great big Alice Aleister Crowley books, you know, about all the secrets and stuff. Yeah. What was. And, yeah, I wouldn't even get it. They could offer it to me for free and I wouldn't take it. That's not a good idea. I mean, you don't want to exclude yourself from even knowing about any of it. But I didn't, I didn't, I don't mess with that stuff.

Mark Gagnon (185:04)

Right. I'm curious about the Seth tapes. Have you ever heard of these?

Danny Sheehan (185:07)

Yeah, yes, I've heard Seth stuff.

Mark Gagnon (185:08)

Do you think this is channeling some type of legitimate spiritual practice?

Danny Sheehan (185:13)

We're, our institute is going to have to, to really research these things specifically. There are several, there are several of these channelers that are indicating that they're in direct communication with an extraterrestrial being. I think it's worth evaluating. I don't think that it's necessarily not true, but I don't credit any particular one of them. Right. Right now. But I used to kid about people picking up messages on their molars. I used to refer to it. Yeah. This person's either picking up messages from Mars on their molars, but that was being a little too flippant. I don't know to the extent to which a person can stand face to face and have telepathic communications. The indication is that telepathic communications locations are possible over distances. So, you know, but I mean, these are major distances that they're talking about. They're talking about like a billion miles or something like that. You know, I'm not certain yet what we're, what we're trying to do is we were trying to get past this stage one of, of getting the Congress to actually stand up to and try to assert its constitutional obligation to oversee the activities that are being undertaken by these executive branch agencies. Agencies. That's what we were trying to do to begin with. As a constitutionalist, you know, I'm disappointed that they haven't done it, that they haven't risen to the occasion, that they have either chickened out specifically in the face of some kind of coercion or that they've just, you know, failed to see the importance of what it is that we're talking about here. Right. Whatever it is, you know, we're not going to take it like lying down, you know, and so that we're continuing to mobilize the regular people to get people educated about the data that is here. We're trying to get more and more of the data and make it available. If the government, Congress isn't going to do it, we'll do it ourselves, you know, I mean, that's what we're going to do. And we've proven in the past that we're perfectly capable doing these kind of things, you know, I mean, everybody was sitting there wringing their hands over the Contras and saying, oh, I think that. I think that maybe the administration is really giving them weapons. I said, really? Do you plan to do anything about it? You know, so we've done that. Say, oh, that people think Karen Sil was murdered. Really? Are you going to do anything about it?

Mark Gagnon (187:45)

Nope.

Danny Sheehan (187:45)

And so we did. We found out who did it and we, you know, stopped. Shut down the entire facility that she was run, that they were running, you know, so we've, we've got experience in doing this, so we're quite confident that we're going to be able to figure out. Figure out a lot of this information. Yeah, I've got a lot of the information already, you know, and I've absolutely refused to take a security clearance, you know, no, thank you. You know, I'm not going to do it because I intend to tell the people, you know, basically everything that I find out, you know, and they can. They can not tell me. If they want to, that's fine, but that's not going to stop us from getting that.

Mark Gagnon (188:25)

Do you meditate on your personality?

Danny Sheehan (188:27)

Yes. Yes.

Mark Gagnon (188:28)

Have you had any of these experiences where you feel like you're in direct.

Danny Sheehan (188:31)

Contact with the extraterrestrial? No.

Mark Gagnon (188:34)

With the divine, with consciousness?

Danny Sheehan (188:36)

No. I mean, I still am in a kind of. A much more humble kind of perspective that I just realized that I know that I can get to a point of transcending kind of inclinations that I've got the other normal Irish inclinations and tough football, nasty linebacker kind of vibes that I have, you know, that I've been able to kind of transcend send many of those. I mean it helps me like if I, if I, you know, if I'm sitting doing the deposition of the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan in North Carolina that's just gunned down, you know, six, you know, doctors who came down to try to set up a union to deal with brown lung, you know, that I've now avoided leaping across the table and grabbing him by the lapels and thrashing him, you know, so I've gotten, I'm approving in improving along step by step, you know, yeah, I'm working at it.

Mark Gagnon (189:30)

If people want to support you on, on your mission to ultimately reach this disclosure and uncover this great secret, where can people find it?

Danny Sheehan (189:37)

You go to the Internet and you go to new paradigmininstitute.org and easier you can go to Romero. It's easier. Most people, a lot of people can't spell new paradigm. No, but, but P A R A D I G M paradigm. But you go to the Romero Institute. R O M E R O Romero Institute. It's named after Archbishop Oscar Romero who was assassinated down in El Salvador for trying to organize peasants to oppose the, the death squads down there. And so that, you know, that we've been, we've been earlier we were the Christic Institute, but, But George Bush Sr. When he got unelected in 1992, you know, issued a direct order to the Internal Revenue Service director to yank our 501c3 tax exempt charter. So we became the Romero Institute. And we've been that 501c3 for the last, since 1992, basically, you know, so, so now we've got the New Paradigm Institute, which is a wholly integrated project of the Romero Institute. So they can contact us@newparadigmineinstitute.org and the key that people want to sign up for is to become a member of Citizens for Disclosure. You know, now Citizens for Disclosure is going to be working specifically on getting the Congress to force the executive branch to disclose what it is they've got. We've already seen how effectless they can be on that. So that's not all we're going to be doing. You know, we're not going to stop doing that because we believe in strengthening the constitutional structures of our government. But we're going to be moving to have direct activity. You know, reaching out to the ET people themselves, you know, through these CE5 activities and establishing contact with them, having diplomatic relations with them, you know, no matter what the government says.

Mark Gagnon (191:44)

Well, Danny, thank you so much for your time today. Genuinely, this has been fascinating in every which way, and I could speak with you for another five hours, and I hope you do come back and we can chat more.

Danny Sheehan (191:53)

Sure. No, I'd be happy to do that.

Mark Gagnon (191:54)

This is wonderful. I really appreciate it. Everyone go check out New Paradigm Institute for Marrow, and I look forward to chatting with you again.

Danny Sheehan (192:01)

Terrific.

Mark Gagnon (192:01)

Thank you, brother.