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The case has received extensive attention and similar disappearances have occurred beyond just this single incident. Now, why is this case worth bringing up? Well, I think that this case kind of sparks what, you know, is almost kind of seen through like, you know, Internet circles and kind of like, you know, folk story circles as, like this Appalachia phenomena. So this region, this Appalachian, you know, mountain range, produces more mysterious occurrences in each square mile than any other region in North America. I mean, talk to anyone who, you know, has resided in the area. And if you search, you know, online for terms like Appalachia's stories, you're going to get, you know, everything from skinwalkers to Wendigo to, you know, Slender man to serial killers, everything. I mean, I know people that have actually hiked on this trail and they've described even their own weird personal stories. And this moment, I think, with Dennis was one of the first things to really bring into the national spotlight just how weird and unforgiving this stretch of land can be. Now throughout America's protected wilderness areas, Specifically, in the isolated parts of this mountain range, young people and adults go missing in places where it seems impossible for someone to vanish. I mean, tracking dogs will lose, you know, like a scent trail at, like, weird, odd spots. You know, skilled hikers are discovered deceased in places that they shouldn't have even been able to reach. And there's just so many unique characteristics about this piece of geography, and that is why it is such a standout topic for discussion. Now, you've probably been told that, you know, the area is, you know, eerie and frightening, and you should avoid entering the forest after dark and all that kind of stuff. But what gives it this distinctive nature? What causes more individuals to go missing in this wilderness area compared to, you know, parks that are 10 times bigger? Now, some people would, you know, conjecture that the reason there are so many bizarre and anomalous experiences in this area is what they call, you know, by some researchers, thin places. And this is what people, you know, kind of in, you know, sort of paranormal circles will describe as a place where the laws of reality that we know appear to stop working properly. And this concept of thin places has been around for thousands of years. So an investigator named David Paulides has dedicated many years to recording what he refers to as over 400 missing cases and instances of people just going missing that share sort of similar strange similarities. Now, the Appalachian mountain range, or Appalachia, whatever you want to call it, all right, it's existed longer than it's ever been called that, 480 million years. And scientists who study rocks and earth formations have identified four major periods when these mountains were formed. And they call these, you know, different events orogenies, the Grenville, the Taconic, the Acadian, and the Alleghanian. I mean, so these are some pretty, you know, difficult to pronounce names that I would say I kind of crushed, you know, shout out to me. But all of this crazy, intense geological activity results in a unique electromagnetic setup that doesn't really exist anywhere else on the planet. So there's actually a scientist called Dr. Michael Persinger who works at Laurent University, and he demonstrated that magnetic fields can change how people's minds actually work or how reality is perceived in ways that can actually be scientifically measured. He used something that he called his God helmet device. This is a tool that produces weak magnetic signals that aren't much more powerful than, you know, something that would come out of, like, a hairdryer. But using this device, he was able to make 80% of the people he tested experience things that seemed supernatural. Now, the participants described feeling like a presence around them or being stared at or losing track of time or having sensations of, you know, being separated from their bodies, like astral projection. And they were describing things that, you know, in any other setting would be sort of described as supernatural or paranormal. The interesting thing about this is that the same type of electromagnetic patterns that Persinger artificially creates in his lab also happen naturally throughout some areas of of the Appalachian mountain range. Now, there is a phenomenon known as the Brunswick Magnetic Anomaly that runs from South Carolina all the way up to Pennsylvania. And within the zones affected by this anomaly, navigation tools will just fail to work. They'll spin uncontrollably. Electronic devices will just stop working for any clear reason. And this kind of stuff is actually happening. A researcher named Dr. Karen Fisher, who actually teaches at Brown University, discovered that the lithosphere, which is, you know, Earth's natural electromagnetic fields, is unusually thin underneath these mountains as well. Now, this area is also packed with, you know, mineral deposits of quartz. So when the shifting of Earth's plates puts pressure on the quartz, it produces what scientists call a piezoelectric field. Now, this results in specific areas where the standard laws of, you know, governing space time just don't function in ways that we normally measure. Now, Persinger scientific work demonstrates that that when the massive plates beneath the Earth's surface move around, they create this, you know, electromagnetic irregularity that then activates a specific part of the human brain called the temporal lobe. Now, this specific part of the brain is connected to sometimes what people would call, you know, spiritual experiences or, you know, experiencing periods of lost time and just really changes how we perceive reality. Persinger's scientific work demonstrates that when the massive plates beneath the Earth's surface actually move around, they will create these electromagnetic irregularities that will activate specific parts of the human, the human brain that we know as the temporal lobe. This particular section of the brain is connected to spiritual experiences or time management or even just perception of reality. So when it's affected, people will describe having these weird supernatural experiences or periods of lost time or just fundamental changes in how they interact with reality. Now, when scientists actually stimulate the temporal lobe in controlled settings, it causes people to feel things that aren't there or have, you know, like spiritual meetings with entities in some way in their consciousness or even develop just blank spots in their memory, all of which matches what people who survive these, you know, missing cases will describe experiencing. Essentially, the Appalachian mountain range functions potentially as a giant, you know, electromagnetic laboratory that then affects how people experience reality that then causes them to get disoriented, you know, go do things that they wouldn't normally do, you know, traverse a specific trail that seems strange, or even just claim to have experienced or witnessed something that didn't actually happen. Now, let me just put a few disclaimers on here. Persinger's study, while it was, you know, peer reviewed and legitimate at the time, it has been difficult to actually replicate. So a lot of scientists will debate over this specific piece of data and say it's not. It doesn't really stand up to scientific credulity. So I just want to put that out there, that it's not necessarily, you know, the most broadly accepted piece of data. But I do think it's interesting, and I don't know if anyone's ever drawn this connection before to the strange electromagnetic anomalies that actually happen in the mountain range, but to me it makes sense, right? If there's a, you know, some type of causal link between electromagnetic stimulation in your brain that causes you to experience things that are strange and then you have a period, you know, a piece of earth that is causing you to experience the similar kind of electromagnetic anomalies, that maybe there is some type of connection. So I just want to put that out there before we keep going. And one final element of this region that I think is probably worth touching on is that there's so many stories and folklore that comes out of it because so many different cultures descended upon it around at the same time. So, I mean, throughout the, you know, colonization of America, you have Scottish settlers coming in, you know, Celtic settlers from Ireland with their own sort of story. You have germ Germanic settlers coming in from Germany, also mixing in with, you know, the native populations that are living in the range. And they're all kind of sharing stories and creating this kind of shared taboo. Not to mention, you know, you have West African migration through the slave trade that's also bringing in African sort of voodoo practice into the region as well. All that to say you have this strange piece of land where all sorts of bizarre things are happening, and then you have folklore coming in from around the world, all mixing at one unique moment. And all of these kind of elements of these different stories still persist to this day. What's up, people? We're going to take a break because we got new merch. That's right. It is the holiday season and the good folks over at Camp R and D have been cooking up in. In the lab. We got the Christmas sweaters With the aliens, we got the Christmas sweaters with the conspiracy vibes you already know. I mean, this one might be my favorite one. A Christmas tree full of aliens, full Christmas sweater energy. And then, of course, if you just want something simple, you know, you bust out the camp logo tea with the little Christmas lights on it. Come on, bro. Get cute for Christmas, okay? It is a holiday season, all right? We're celebrating the birth of the savior, okay? And what better way to do it than to cop a couple threads for the person in your life that you know that loves a campsite that loves hanging with us every single week. And right now, we're running a promo through the holidays. 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The Chupacabra famously, you know, throughout the south and Central America will talk about this beast, this thing, this like, goblin creature that will suck the blood out of goats and stuff like that. And this is a specific one to North Carolina. So the town's police chief, Roy Forres, had witnessed numerous animal attacks throughout his career. Right. He's working as a cop in North Carolina. But when he inspected the deceased dogs on New Year's Eve 1953, he recognized that something was very strange. Something was seriously off with these bodies because the bodies showed no marks from defending themselves or, you know, no clumps of fur nearby, indicating that there was a fight or some type of struggle. The animals appeared as if they had just been emptied out, like, almost like surgically. Like it was that straightforward. Like the creature or the person that did this appeared to have, you know, all the blood removed. So they just, you know, went in and somehow surprised these dogs and then took their blood. For some reason that even to this day, no one can really explain, even a statement from the autopsy verified this. The autopsy, the actual coroner that looked into it, said that there weren't more than two or three drops of blood in their entire bodies. Now, another weird characteristic was that the injuries on each animal were virtually the same. They showed careful, precise work. They had crushed jawbones, torn bottom lips. So whatever was doing this was carefully or almost like systematically removing the blood from these creatures. Now, this took place in Bladenborough, this tiny community of like 800 people, where, you know, the headlines are going to be just like high school basketball games, stuff like that. However, during a 13 day period in January 1954, something emerged from the surrounding pine woods that transformed this tiny little town in the Appalachian mountains into a place of terror. Something was taking the blood from these animals. And the tale just gets even weirder. So December 29, 1953, a lady living in a neighboring community of Clarkton spotted this big, like, feline type creature vanishing into the night. Maybe like a bobcat or, you know, some other type of, like, you know, big cat that lives in the mountains. When the morning arrived, her neighbor's dog had completely disappeared. Several days after that, on January 1st, a man named Johnny Vao figured out how this creature was operating. He explained, basically in his own words, my dogs put up a good fight. He said that there was blood all over the porch, big puddles of it, and there was a pool of saliva on the porch as well. This thing or this person killed one dog at 10:30 and left it lying there. My dad wrapped the dog up in a blanket and that thing came back and got the dog and nobody has seen it since. And then at 1:30 in the morning it came back and killed the other dog and took off. The second dog was located three days afterwards. And according to witnesses, the top of the dog's head was basically torn off and its body was crushed and it was wet like it had been inside the mouth of the creature or something to that effect. And the other dog's lower jaw was completely torn off. Two days following the incident on January 3, police chief fores brought out the specially trained coon hounds to pursue the killer. In case you're unfamiliar with these types of animals, they're basically trained and raised to chase down anything, basically, you know, raccoons historically, but they can basically catch any four legged creature. However, these dogs were picking up on a scent of whatever this thing was and then they instantly pulled back in fear, refusing to track it. And it was very strange for a police chief who had trained these dogs since they were puppies to do this exact task. They have never ever once rejected a scent. Now they started making these whimpering sounds as they were retreating from whatever evidence that the creature had left. Now the medical examination took place the same day and verified what Forres was worried about. The animals hadn't been consumed for food, they were consumed for their blood. Basically all of their blood was just removed from their bodies. Now on January 5th, someone's pet rabbit was discovered with its head cleanly removed and its body still retaining warmth. That very same day, a gentleman named Tater Shaw, seriously the sickest name ever. Tater Shaw saw something that would disturb him for the rest of his life. He came across a goat whose skull had been completely flattened. He described the head flat as a fritter, his exact words. Shaw held four fingers across his hand to demonstrate the size of the paw prints. However, the events continued. On January 6, Mrs. Kinlaw walked out on her front porch around half past seven in the evening to hang up some wet clothes. And just 20ft from her in the approaching darkness was this thing. This 21 year old mother glanced up to observe this large feline type animal approaching her with a purpose. The creature's eyes caught and reflected the light from her porch as it kind of evaluated this potential new victim. And this is the first time that it had ever been reported to be this close to a human being. Now Mrs. Kinlaw let out a scream and rushed back into the house. And her spouse Charles snatched his Shotgun and went outside. But he discovered only paw prints, these marks that are, you know, about the size of four fingers across, spread throughout the yard. Therefore, this creature that had been carefully killing with exact precision, you know, numerous dogs and other animals, had now demonstrated curiosity in humans. Now, following this incident, fear was moving through this entire town. Female residents began locking themselves inside their homes once the sun went down. Male residents who had never previously owned guns started buying weapons and, you know, shotguns, handguns, anything they could actually get their hands on. Households that had outdoor toilets or outdoor showers began keeping everything inside. Then there was a noise that the creature would make. And this turned out to be one of the most disturbing aspects of this entire story. So people who heard it described it as otherworldly. They said it would almost sound like a baby screaming or a woman with a knife in her back. These are actual quotes from the people who heard it. There was an experienced hunter named S.W. garrett who heard this noise while he was tracking and said that it reminded him almost of a panther's cry, which was, you know, strange for him. And he confessed that he had actually never encountered anything like it. The sound traveled through the pine woods, and it would just make anyone that heard it terrified. Now, in addition to all of this, people who saw the creature described something that is impossible to kind of categorize. They said it was something that was four and a half feet in length. It was covered in fur. It looked almost like a bear or like a big cat. And they would estimate that it weighed somewhere between like, 80 and 150 pounds, though some estimated even more. Some people judged its weight based on how loudly it moved through the bushes. And the footprints were, you know, discovered that revealed these claw marks that measured at least at least one inch in length. Some witnesses called it, you know, brownish, with, like, almost like tabby cat like markings, while others said that it was dark, with more of, like, a feline face. Yet every single witness agreed on one characteristic, that it traveled with an awareness of a hunter, of a true predator, and moved around its victims with patience of something that wasn't in a hurry at all. Now, many people have supposed this was some type of, you know, large wildcat that was, you know, maybe performing or operating in a strange way due to some type of illness. But by January 7, close to 1,000 hunters had arrived in Bladenborough. These are experienced big game hunters who had taken down lions in Africa. These are, you know, a lot of college guys from UNC Chapel Hill, basically hoping to claim a prize. Local farmers carrying their bird Dogs and small hunting rifles. And every single one of them believed that they were going to be the person to capture the creature from Blaineborough. But none of them were successful. The town's mayor, Woodrow Fusel, ran the community movie theater and, you know, had the natural talents with someone who knew how to get people fired up and attract a crowd. He was a politician, right? So as hunters flooded into the community, he arranged for a showing of a movie on January 9th titled the Big Cats. And this was, you know, as the promotional material would state, now you see the cat, we've got him on the screen and in Technicolor. On the same day that the film was shown, Fusel ended the hunt. There were too many weapons, too much sort of frantic energy, and way too great a risk that someone's going to get overly excited and accidentally kill another person. The newspaper headline from the Wilmington Morning Star perfectly summed up the situation and said, the vampire beast wins in Bladenborough. On January 13, a man named Luther Davis came across a bobcat caught in a metal trap four miles outside of town. He shot the animal and he pulled it into the town's main square, where Mayor Fussell suspended it from a flagpole alongside a notice that said, this is the beast of Bladenborough. The killings came to an end and the hunters departed for home. The news outlets kind of shifted their attention and it seems like, you know, things were. Things were done. However, in my view, this doesn't sound like the. A vampire, like big cats aren't just going to be sucking blood out of animals all over town. So the real question is, what was that thing? What actually happened? Sure, bobcats will make loud noises and can be irritating, but, you know, they don't remove blood. And is it possible for a 20 pound bobcat to kill a 90 pound dog and then also get all the blood or just completely flatten a skull and break the jaws with this type of precision. Additionally, why would tracking dogs that were specifically raised to be confident and skilled at following sense refuse to pursue the trail? Many years afterwards, Mayor Fussell confessed to someone that was interviewing him, and he said, a little publicity never hurt a small town. However, despite all the coverage on this small town, it has never been definitively proven what was actually taking the blood out of these specific animals. And the mystery persists today. But that is just one of the strange things that happened in the mountains of Appalachia. What's up, beautiful people of America? I am on the road. That's right. I'm doing my hour of stand up comedy in many cities, some of which are near you. Going to Fort Wayne, Indiana and Chicago. You can get tickets at my website, www.markagnonlive.com. we also got the link in the description. I would love for you guys to come on out. I say what's up to everybody after the show, if you want to come hang, have some laughs, grab a pick with me, shake my hand and tell me some crazy story. I would love to see you guys there. Can't wait. Let's get back to the show now. Maybe the best or most infamous story of all comes from a quiet Tennessee farm in the early 1800s that became the center of maybe America's most strange or discussed legend. The haunting of the Bell witch. Now, in 1817, something began terrorizing the Bell family in Robertson County, Tennessee. By 1823 years later, this haunting, whatever presence was tormenting this family, claimed the life of the family's father, John Bell, and became one of the most well known supernatural legends in American history. So this story begins in October of 1817. John Bell is a hunter in Tennessee and he's out with his dogs hunting. And these dogs are normally chasing wild animals without hesitation. But then they suddenly cowered behind him in his cornfield. Belle saw a strange creature. This is like a dog with like a rabbit's head staring at him with this sort of like strange predatory intelligence. And so he fires his gun and the creature vanishes. And then by December, the strange noises begin inside the Bell home each night after the family goes to sleep. The something is moving through the walls, scratching, it's gnawing, it's chewing. Maybe it's just rats, maybe it's a rodent that gets into the walls. But the sounds grow louder and they grow louder and even louder until the whole house is starting to shake. Yet in daylight, the walls show no damage. When they investigate the walls, there's nothing in them. And then In January of 1818, 12 year old Betsy Bell wakes up screaming. Her face is covered and red marks. Something invisible or paranormal had attacked her in her sleep. And soon the attacks worsened. Her hair was getting yanked, sharp objects are jabbing her skin and her blankets are ripping away from her in the freezing nights. And this unseen force is saving its most cruel torment for the father, John Bell Senior. His face becomes partially paralyzed, his tongue begins to swell. And during meals his throat suddenly tightens, basically leaving him gasping for air as he's being choked and feeling as though this invisible presence is watching the entire time. And doctors are baffled. Though to be fair, was 1818. But still, the medicine men of the time didn't understand what this phenomena was. And by the spring of 1818, the entity began to speak in a faint, raspy voice said to sound almost like an elderly, you know, Appalachian woman. It said, I am a spirit. I was once very happy, but I've since been disturbed. And over time, the voice grows stronger. It recited scripture flawlessly. It was debating theology with ministers that would visit and repeating sermons that were happening in churches that were 13 miles away. It would even share gossip from nearby towns. And it was said to have spoken multiple languages and accents. The entity identified itself as Kate and claimed to be the ghost of Kate Batts, a neighbor who had quarreled with John Bell over land many years before. But there was one problem. Kate Batts was still alive and remain alive for another 27 years. And that made this the first recorded instance of a ghost claiming to be someone who hadn't yet died. When family friend James Johnston, a respected church leader, stayed overnight to investigate the entity, in the middle of the night, yanks off his covers and strikes him, terrified, he. He screams out in the name of the Lord, who are you and what do you want? And silence followed. And for the rest of the night, nothing else happened. Words of this haunting started to spread, and soon hundreds of people were flocking to the Bell property. Local townspeople, ministers, doctors, even travelers and passersby would stop and see the home. Newspapers actually dubbed it the wonder of the 19th century. The entity seemed to like the attention, too. It conjured fresh fruit out of nowhere. It would sing drinking songs, and it would share gossip about visitors lives. And sometimes it would just vanish mid conversation, only to return with detailed accounts of events happening miles away. And despite the spectacle, the haunting had a more sinister purpose. The spirit showed affection only to Lucy Bell, calling her the kindest woman alive. It tolerated John Bell Jr. But relentlessly tormented Betsy, especially targeting her engagement to a neighbor, Joshua Garner, the engagement that eventually collapsed because of the haunting. As for John Bell Sr. The entity made a promise. I have come to kill old Jack Bell now. Over the following months, John Bell's health was deteriorating rapidly. His paralysis in his face worsened, his speech started to become slurred, and he would have these violent seizures that kept him bedridden. On December 20, 1820, John Bell Jr. Found his father unconscious beside a small bottle of a dark liquid. And no one in the family had recognized it. So to test it, they gave a small drop to the family cat. And the cat immediately convulsed and died. The liquid was clearly a Poison. Now, at that moment, the house filled with a mocking laughter and said, I gave old Jack a big dose of that last night while he was asleep. The voice cackled. John Bell died later that day. During his funeral, the spirit actually interrupted the service, singing songs and continuing to laugh. Now, because of this, Tennessee remains the only state to ever list a supernatural cause as a potential factor in a death. Now, this story is one of the most infamous hauntings that has ever been written about in American history. But there's only one issue. The story. Virtually every single detail of it, comes from a book written by Martin Van Buren Ingram. Now, this is not Martin Van Buren, the President. This is an author who wrote a book in 1894 titled the authenticated History of the Famous Bell Witch. Now, Ingram claimed that this account was based on a journal written by Richard William Bell, John's son. But Richard was only six years old when the haunting began. And no one has ever seen this supposed journal, so modern researchers believe that it likely never existed. And Ingram's credibility is shaky at best. He referenced an 1849 Saturday Evening Post article about the Bell witch that no historian has ever found. And his version contains a lot of anachronisms, a lot of details that don't fit between this 1817-1821 timeline. And by the time he actually wrote this book, every firsthand witness was long dead. Now, earlier fragments of the story do exist in some capacities. By 1820, a diary by a military officer, John Arbell, mentions hearing of a girl accompanied by a mysterious voice that drew thousands of onlookers. Additionally, newspapers from 1856 also referenced this Bell Witch legend, proving that some version of it predated Ingram's embellishments. So maybe there is, you know, some small kernel of truth. Perhaps this is a case of, you know, psychological distress that, you know, potentially affected, you know, this one guy. And maybe the family created the story in order to understand what was actually happening to their father. Another theory centers on Richard Powell. This was Betsy's former school teacher and the man she eventually married in 1824. Powell was 11 years older and had shown romantic interest in her during the haunting. He was also reportedly skilled in ventriloquism, mystical sciences, and hypnosis. Now, some people have theorized that it was possible to, you know, that potentially this man orchestrated parts of the haunting to manipulate Betsy and eliminate her fiance to effectively break up their marriage and additionally to kill her father, who was against them getting together in the first place. Now, whether this is a hoax, you know, hysteria Something unexplainable. One thing that's undisputed is that this story remains one of America's most enduring pieces of Appalachian folklore. And personally, I would like to, you know, imagine that something crazy happened. It would make for a better story. My favorite theory is that this one dude has tried to bang Betsy, and so he learned ventriloquism to kill her dad. That's way more interesting to me. But, ladies and gentlemen, that is the conclusion of today's ghost story, Time of the Appalachian Mountains. I mean, I'll be honest. I think these stories are pretty fun. They're not. They're not going to keep me up at night, I'll be honest. So what we have discussed here today only covers a small fraction of the incredible Appalachian folklore that's out there. And I chose these particular stories because, you know, I think that they're some of the more fun ones to share. And I'm curious to hear what you think. Has this ever happened? You. Have you ever spent time in Appalachian, you know, experienced anything strange, something you can't really. Something you can't explain? And what do you think about this magnetic theory? You think it's possible that there's just a strange frequency, some type of geological occurrence that happens on this place on the earth that causes people to experience strange and sort of unexplainable events? I would love to know what you think. As always, thank you for joining us for another episode of Camp Check out History Camp and Religion Camp, where we get into more specifics on those particular topics, respectively. Also, come see me on the road. Mark Agnon, Live. Thank you guys so much. And we'll see you next time.