Canada's relationship with Donald Trump feels like it's one big, messy, public fight. Meanwhile, Mexico seems... strangely calm. Has President Claudia Sheinbaum figured out how to deal with Trump in a way we haven’t? Host Noor Azrieh talks to journalist David Agren, who has covered Mexico for more than two decades, about Trump's latest tariff threats, the CUSMA negotiations, and whether there's actually something Canada can learn from Mexico, or whether the story is a lot more complicated than we think.

Host: Noor Azrieh

Credits: Aviva Lessard (Senior Producer), Sam Konnert (Host/Producer), Noor Azrieh (Host/Producer), Caleb Thompson (Audio Editor and Technical Producer), Tristan Capacchione (Senior Production Supervisor), Jesse Brown (Editor), Tony Wang (Artwork)

Guests: David Agren

Background reading:

How Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum won over Trump – Los Angeles Times
Sheinbaum takes on cartels, Trump and the legacy of 1968 – Al Jazeera
The Mexican President Who’s Facing Off with Trump – The New Yorker
Separate US talks with Canada, Mexico test North America's trilateral trade pact – Reuters
Mexico not looking to cut separate deal with U.S. and leave Canada out, top diplomat says – The Globe and Mail
Sheinbaum draws red line on handing over politicians accused of cartel ties to U.S. – The Globe and Mail

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