B (1:09)

Nice

A (1:13)

pulling up to Macy's. But talk to me like, I read your interview with cfda. Fantastic interview. But tell it. Tell us how you got into all this, man.

B (1:22)

So I got into fashion because I was a kid who, like, really wanted to figure out what I wanted to, like, dive into. Right. So I really actually wanted to be a chef at first.

A (1:33)

Oh, word.

B (1:34)

Yeah. And so I was, like, cooking weird stuff, and my mom's like, yeah, you know, just keep trying, Keep trying. I was, like, making weird, like, blueberry pasta. I was just like. I was just, like, trying to go for it, you know?

A (1:45)

Yeah, yeah, like something, you know, SpongeBob. Yeah. That's cool, though.

B (1:48)

But then. But then it got to the point where I was like, man, you know, instead of, like, sweating in the kitchen, I rather, like, be fly eating. Right? And so I was like, all right, maybe fashion is my thing. And then I saw the documentary, I think it's called the Last Emperor with Valentino.

A (2:04)

Yeah.

B (2:04)

And I was like, whoa, his life is sick. I want this. And then I saw Devil Wears Prada and I fell in love. I was like, man, this is the world. This is the world I need to be a part of.

A (2:14)

Fire film. Fire film. I actually Just watched Smashing Machine last night. Emily Blunt, she in that too. So Devil Wears Prada. Incredible film. One of the last great rom coms.

B (2:25)

Yeah.

A (2:25)

You know, honest.

B (2:26)

Yeah.

A (2:27)

So Devil Wears Prada was the inspo.

B (2:29)

Devil's Prada. Got it. And then because it was just like that, like the world, like, it was glamorous. It was like, you know, people cared about clothes, and I always cared about clothes, but I just never thought that could be, you know, like a job. And so from there, I was like, all right, now how do I do this? And I was into, you know, Pharrell early. And he would talk about, like, it doesn't matter what age you are. Just go for it. So I printed out the FIT menswear requirements. I started looking at schools and I saw that menswear was like its own degree at fit. So I printed out the requirements in sixth grade, and from sixth grade on, every summer I went to like a pre college program. I got a sewing machine and I just was like, very dedicated.

A (3:10)

Wow. Are you a Virgo?

B (3:12)

I'm a Pisces.

C (3:13)

Oh,

A (3:16)

nice.

B (3:17)

March or February?

C (3:18)

March 6th.

B (3:19)

February.

C (3:19)

Okay. Is March 1st.

A (3:21)

Yeah. March one. I was going to guess Virgo or Pisces because those are the two signs that will from like six.

B (3:27)

Right.

A (3:27)

But I'm going to do that.

C (3:28)

Yeah.

A (3:28)

You know, like.

C (3:28)

Yeah.

A (3:29)

I also kind of knew dumb early, like, what I wanted to do.

B (3:32)

Yeah.

A (3:33)

You know, that's fly. She also FIT alumni.

B (3:36)

Nice. I'm not an alumni. Got kicked out. Oh. It's all good, though. My grades were bad.

C (3:40)

It happens.

B (3:41)

It is what it is. Life worked out.

C (3:42)

I think I dropped out like a million times.

B (3:44)

And then.

C (3:45)

Yeah, I was. I just like, was like, not about going to school.

B (3:48)

Yeah. Yeah. It was never something that I cared about. I was never good at school, ever. I was the kid that would, like, raise my hand and be like, why are we learning this?

C (3:56)

Yeah. I just was like, I need to just go do stuff.

B (3:59)

Yeah.

C (3:59)

I'm not an in the classroom learner. I'm a hands on learner. I think it's maybe a Pisces thing.

A (4:04)

Yeah. That's what you were saying too, because in his interview was saying, like, you went to school, you wanted to go to that school.

B (4:10)

Yeah.

A (4:10)

But you. They wouldn't allow you to have like an internship till the final year.

B (4:15)

Yeah. Because so the menswear program was a two year program, and it was like, really intense because they crammed four years worth of stuff in two years. And so they literally tell you, don't get a girlfriend. If you don't have one, don't get an internship. And if you don't have a job, do not get one. I did all three of those and so it just didn't work out for me.

C (4:36)

Yeah, yeah.

B (4:37)

But the internships saved my life.

A (4:39)

Where'd you intern?

B (4:40)

So the first internship I got was because there. Okay, so there was a prerequisite class where you had to hand sew a jacket. And mine was so bad and so I failed. And then I had this like pretty much a. My two year program was now three years. So I had this year where I didn't have any pattern making class. And if you know anything about fashion design school, that's the real. That's like the hard, you know, that's what keeps you up all night. So I didn't have that. So I had time to intern and I interned at Fashion Snoops, which is now Future Snoops, which is like a trend forecasting agency. So that was cool to know how to like look for trends and stay on top of what's going on. And that helped me get my job now. And then I interned at Marnie. Oh yeah, I would, I would help them during their markets.

A (5:27)

What era, man?

B (5:29)

This is. This is 2014, you know, that's a

A (5:35)

good era for Marty. That's when it was really popping for the heads. Yeah.

B (5:38)

Only the heads.

A (5:39)

Yeah.

B (5:40)

This is when Consuelo is still there. This is like before it became cool and rappers were talking about it. This is when it was strictly like a niche fashion head only brand.

A (5:49)

The Marnie Mule is my favorite one, bro.

C (5:52)

That's the best.

A (5:52)

Oh yeah, that's my favorite Barney Mule.

B (5:54)

So good. That's, that's grail. That's grail. That in the Hermes clock.

C (5:59)

So good, right?

B (6:00)

Yeah, that's the one.

A (6:01)

Don't say her. Mess around her too loud.

C (6:02)

I get a little too excited.

A (6:04)

Yeah, that was good too. So good. I love it so much. Would love, would love, would love.

C (6:09)

What about the burgers?

B (6:10)

Nah, for real.

A (6:12)

But then equestrian bullshit.

B (6:15)

Yeah. Yeah. Then I got kicked out and I was like, what do I do now? So then I just interned like a madman. And I like interned at Vogue Australia. I interned for Rick Owens. And then I got the High Snob internship and I was like, I'm holding on for dear life. This is my. This is like, I can't even believe that I'm here right now. I have to make this work.

A (6:37)

What era was that? High snob.

B (6:40)

High snob. This is, I want to say 2018 maybe.

A (6:46)

Nice, nice, nice. That's when they was really getting it popping with the writing.

B (6:51)

G is the one that was like, he's cool. Yeah, let's get him.

A (6:54)

Oh, wow.

B (6:55)

Yeah.

C (6:55)

Wow.

A (6:56)

Okay. GN recruited. He. He spotted you?

B (6:58)

Absolutely.

A (6:58)

That's what's up.

B (6:59)

Yeah.

A (7:00)

No, cuz, you know, growing up it was always like Hype Beast was the dominant one. Right. It was hype and high. Nobody kind of came around second.

B (7:08)

Yeah.

A (7:08)

And it felt like a. Also ran second, kind of running similar news as Hypebeast. And then around that time, I feel like 2016, 2017, highest. Nobody got more into like writing and in depth coverage. And honestly, I think jumped over to Jumpman.

B (7:24)

Yeah.

A (7:24)

You know, like, it's a really respected magazine now.

B (7:27)

Very, very. Yeah, no, it was. It was a dream come true. That was. That was. It was a dream for me to get that job. It was just like, wow, wow, I can't believe I'm here. And I like carved a lane because I wasn't really much of a writer. So I was just trying to figure out like, where do I fit in? And then the Supreme Store opened in Brooklyn. And this is when supreme finally figured out how to like not be messy and just have a bunch of people like cram in the front. So everyone had like a ticket in a time. And so I was out there and they were like, well, there's no mess to really like film, so just talk about what's happening. And then David, shout out to David, thank you. He was like, we like this. I like that we finally have somebody who can be on camera. And that was my lane. And then I got the job.

A (8:14)

That's. And then that's how you ended up director of Men's and Kids at Macy's.

B (8:19)

Yeah. Yeah.

A (8:20)

From high snobiety.

B (8:21)

From high. Well, high snob. Then I took a year and went to la. That was weird. I'm not an L A guy, yo.

A (8:27)

Talk to us.

B (8:28)

Why?

A (8:28)

Why was it weird? Because we. We not really.

C (8:31)

A couple years in la. And it was weird too, you know,

B (8:33)

because for me it's like one. It's like not easy to cultivate a friend group and delane for yourself and just to get respect. Right. And so to be known in New York, which is the greatest city in the world, and then move to la, where you don't really know anyone. Shout out to Corey. Corey Stokes, one of my best friends. He was out there, so that was cool. But besides that, and he's a busy guy, so I didn't see him that much. I didn't know anyone. I also don't drive because I'm like a city boy. So it just was like, what am I doing here? I don't know anyone. When I do meet people, they're kind of weird. That's a real thing. Because I think it's so spread out that when people interact, they're just trying to cling on that you two aren't even friends. It's just you don't have anyone else

A (9:18)

to hang out with and it's advantageous. And the thing that you said about Gian just being like, yo, he's cool, yo, roll with us. It's a high sn. That doesn't really happen like that in la. In la, people, oh, you cool. Like, they won't even give you the props. They'll just be, so what do you do? Let me see what you do. And if it's advantageous to me and if you deserve to be in the orbit, it's like very strategic. And I think it's the culture of agents and managers because they're always looking out for clients. Like, is that person good enough to work with you? I'm like, what is good enough? Like, if you look at someone's IMDb, it's like, they may make five shitty films and then bang, there's a fire one. Like, if you judge them on the first five, you never would have got that one right. I think you just got to go off vibe. Like, do I vibe like I with you as a person?

B (10:06)

Yeah.

A (10:07)

And I think that's how New Yorkers move LA. It's really like, yo, what's up with your LinkedIn?

B (10:11)

Exactly.

C (10:12)

Yeah.

B (10:12)

And then they like, name drop weird. And it's like, I don't care.

C (10:15)

Yeah, it's very much. People lead with money. That's how they feel. They can get respect, I found. And people will really just like, put you in their back pocket and be like, well, when I need you, yeah, I'll keep it warm. And then if I need you, I'll. I'll be your friend. Then I'll start really being your friend.

B (10:32)

Exactly.

C (10:32)

And it is agent manager culture. It's just kind of. It's kind of fugaz.

A (10:38)

I'll stick up for a few homies out there, like Devin, Troy, Urban, you know, my guys at the boxing gym, like at the undefeated gym. But like, it's very few and far between those cats in la, you know, like the, the. The born and raised LA cats are usually pretty cool.

B (10:54)

Rest in peace. To Sponto.

A (10:55)

Yeah, Sponto is One of them, he was incredible. You know, like. Like, you know, urban from Venice too. And it's just like the cats that didn't grow up in the Hollywood shit and even in the Valley, like Devin Troy from Roland Heights area, you know, out there is. It's just like, those are real people. And those were the cats that I hung out with. Even, like, you know, like, the pizza slime cats were fun. They were. They were always doing funny shit. I always enjoyed them and they kept it popping. And there's one guy, Harley Wertheimer, always is doing. He got stir crazy. He got the art gallery. But, like, it's few and far between. You find those, like LA born and bred characters that are about community.

B (11:35)

Right.

A (11:35)

And aren't like, just peeping your pot, like running your pockets, you know? Yeah, but so you came back from la

B (11:44)

because I was like, man, I can't be here. Like, this is just not for me. And I came back for, like Christmas to be with my family and I was like, this is where I'm supposed to be. So then I was like, all right. I was just putting the energy out there, like, I need to find something. And then thank God, once again, shout out to. Gian is like my big bro. And he, like, really has held me down in this industry. So he was like, yo, my homie has a, you know, a position open at Macy's. I think you'd be good for it. Reach out. And I reached out and I got it.

A (12:12)

Yeah. Gian is just a great person.

B (12:14)

Yeah.

A (12:14)

Like a fantastic person always. And like, I. I knew him when he was at four Pins.

B (12:21)

Okay. Wow.

A (12:21)

Way back in the day. But no, that. The Macy's. So tell us, what are you doing at Macy's? Like, what is the director role?

B (12:29)

Yeah, so the director role, it's. It's funny, right? When I got the job, it was. There was a fashion office, and now the fashion office is the trend office. So I'm. I was the associate men's and kids fashion director. And I still go by that because it's sexier than men's and kids trend forecaster. Right. Associate. And pretty much what my job is, it's the same job. It's just me letting all of the private brands and all of our partners know what's cool. So I look at all of the Runway, I go into stores, I, you know, pay attention to what's, you know, movies and just what's going on in culture. And I, you know, let them know, these are the colors, these are the fabrics, these are the silhouettes. These are the items that we need to have in order for us to stay relevant. And, yeah, it's, you know, it's a process, and I definitely think that it's starting to pick up. I know. You know, Macy's is America's department store, you know, for, like, you know, regular people. Not really, like, fashion heads, but we are.

A (13:30)

I shopped there as a kid. You know, that's the place. Working class people. That's where you go.

B (13:34)

So I got on my polo.

C (13:35)

Yeah, yeah.

B (13:35)

My Sean John. You know what I mean?

A (13:37)

Nautica. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (13:38)

And I mean, you could definitely get flat Macy's. And it's getting so much better because now there's so many people at Macy's who are like, we can do this. You know what I mean? We're seeing all these companies that, you know, had, you know, not so much hype in our now, like, crazy hype. And it's not even just fashion. I mean, when you have, like, Applebee's popping right, all these food vloggers going to Apple, it's like, anyone can get hot if you just have the right team.

A (14:02)

Yeah. And also, I do think that people should be designing for all different socioeconomic levels and demographics. Like, not everyone needs to be wearing the same thing. I mean, we really all shouldn't be wearing the same thing.

B (14:14)

Absolutely not.

A (14:15)

Like, it's kind of whacked. But, like, especially for kids, we curious about it. What are the trends in kids?

B (14:20)

So what's cool with kids is most people seem to want their kids to dress like them. Oh, yeah. So, like, the parents want their kids to be like mini me's. And so right now, this is what really shocked me is I found out that, you know, super duper, duper bright colors were not as pop and as, like, stone tones.

A (14:46)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That would be accurate. What she does is cool, is she gets things that he thinks are cool, like dinosaur sweaters and things like that. And every once in a while, like, I like to get him, like, bootleg T shirts, like ones that are like, I'm the boss. And he likes. He likes to be like, I'm the boss. I'm the boss. You know, like, he will get him funny tees like that. And then like, Uncle Caduce, he got this. This Uncle Caduce in D.C. will send him his kids old clothes. And a lot of them are, like, fun Jamaican T shirts and stuff. So he has an eclectic style, but stone tones for sure.

C (15:20)

Yeah, for sure. I shop a lot for him. Kind of like, I would say he. I mean, they grow really fast, so you're kind of shopping all the time for your kid. And what I do find is there's so many, like, your Zara's, your H and M. The general vibe is very, like, beige.

B (15:38)

Very.

C (15:38)

It's very muted stone tone. Like, it's almost, like, too, like, chic for a kid.

B (15:45)

Right.

C (15:45)

I'm like, why does this kid have, like, a fit going?

B (15:48)

Yeah.

C (15:49)

I really like brands like mini Rodini. Really good bright colors, really good dinosaurs, fun prints. Like, crazy stuff going on. I really like. What other. Some good brands that he. He gets a lot of stuff from. Like, I really like getting him vintage from ebay.

B (16:04)

That's really cool.

C (16:04)

That's. Yeah. Because Jurassic Park T shirts. I have, like, OG Jurassic Park T shir shirts. It's great. And then, honestly, sometimes I find him, like, I just physically cannot buy him full price Stone Island. Like, I cannot buy him full price. Like, some of these things, I'm like, we need to find it on ebay. We need to find it on Posh. We need to depop it. But I do like to hear that because it's interesting that that is the general consensus that it's, like, very muted.

B (16:31)

Oh, yeah.

C (16:31)

Because people do. I really see some of these kids and these, like, brands on Instagram, and I'm like, this kid looks like he's gonna pull up to, like, somewhere that he shouldn't be. Like, he needs a dinosaur or something.

A (16:42)

Yeah. Because the, like, millennial parent, they do dress them like themselves, and it's, like, too chic. Like, a kid needs to be a kid. Like, yeah, you. I need to know the spaghetti stain gonna look good on what you got on.

C (16:54)

Totally.

B (16:54)

No Bond point, right?

A (16:56)

Yeah.

C (16:56)

Oh, my God. Yeah.

B (16:57)

Bond point is like Brunello for kids.

C (16:59)

It is.

B (17:00)

It's crazy.

C (17:00)

It's crazy. We used. When we were living in la, he would get his hair cut. His barber was on rodeo. And so I would, like, sometimes pop into the bomb point. And then I was just like, I can't. Like, there's just no there. There's no part of me that can spend 450 on a sweater for my child that is going to get spaghetti on it or, like, go outside in the dirt.

B (17:24)

Right.

C (17:24)

And I don't want to police him and be like, don't get your shirt.

A (17:26)

And also, it's right, like, he see his other homies in the park at Varon park, and, you know, like, they all getting messy over there.

B (17:34)

Right, right, right.

A (17:35)

So that's that's fly. I like that, though. What. What are you, like, pushing for in the kids department? Like, you personally?

C (17:41)

Yeah. Do you have brands that you like?

B (17:42)

I love. I don't know. I think it's called the campamento. Really good. Like, very tasteful. I also really like. I literally have a list on my phone that I wish I had in my hand right now.

A (17:57)

Grab it.

C (17:58)

Yeah, don't worry about it.

A (18:00)

We cool. We easy.

C (18:02)

I'm like, I will be.

A (18:03)

Yeah. We're gonna be craving these days. No. That's why I was so hyped to have him on, because I was like, yo, you very rarely get the kids fashion director, but it's a huge market. Thank you, bro.

C (18:15)

I feel like the amount of kids brands that.

B (18:17)

Okay, cool.

C (18:18)

Maybe they've always existed, but I do feel like right now, especially kids brands are having this, like, a crazy boom.

B (18:24)

Yeah.

C (18:25)

To me, at least. Maybe because I'm in it now.

A (18:27)

I wasn't in it before. I just also want them to make it affordable for people because it's, like, the bomb point. It's, like, so crazy.

C (18:33)

I mean, even mini Rodini is expensive.

B (18:35)

Literally. Look at the first one on the brand.

C (18:37)

Bowden. Bowden's another one that I love.

A (18:39)

Yeah.

B (18:40)

So mini Rodini, Bowden. The campamento is amazing.

C (18:43)

Okay.

B (18:44)

Il Goofo Kids is really good.

A (18:46)

I haven't seen El Goofo.

B (18:47)

Really good. New Society is really good. Fishing kids.

C (18:51)

Okay.

B (18:51)

Is really fly. The Sunday Collective. And then if you are on that chic wave. I did put Bombpoint on there because it is incredible.

C (19:00)

Listen, I feel like if I had a daughter, I would be bomb. Pointing it up.

A (19:03)

Yeah.

C (19:03)

When you have a boy, there's, like a set of whole other things.

B (19:07)

Yeah.

C (19:08)

Like, he, like, is picking his nose, and I see him wipe it on his shirt, and I'm just like, that's cool. You're a boy.

B (19:13)

Do that.

A (19:14)

You know, he's shitting his pants every day. It's great.

B (19:18)

Exactly.

A (19:18)

I like it. I like when he just wears his Jurassic park stuff and he'll shout out things he wants to wear. Now that's, like. It's cool. I really like seeing that. Like, I'm the most interested in me. Like, what's in your head, man? What do you want? What are you thinking? You know?

B (19:32)

Yeah.

A (19:32)

So that's.

B (19:33)

That's cool.

A (19:34)

What about. What about men's. What do you. What are you looking at the trends in men's?

B (19:38)

Like, what's hot right now?

A (19:40)

Or what do you like?

B (19:41)

So right now, I really like the fact that there seems to be a more sartorial vibe happening in the menswear space because, like, as I get older, I hate all my clothes. I don't know. It's just like, I want trousers and I want loafers, and I want. I really wish I could just wear suits every day. But custom, right? I'm just not there yet. But that's really what I want my life to be. So I like the suit. I like the soft suit, too. You know, suit with, like, flow to it. Just like the classic Armani feel. Rest in peace. To the. To the Godzilla of fashion, to me, is Armani, and you like suits, and then Ralph Lauren is King Kong. They're. Those are the two giants you.

A (20:25)

Do you like a Comb suit?

B (20:27)

I. I respect the comb suit. I respect a Tom Brown suit, but I like Brioni suit.

A (20:33)

I like. I like.

B (20:34)

I like an Armani suit. I like a Dunnis Hill.

A (20:38)

I like that. It's funny because I was an attorney for a little bit, okay. And I would cop Brioni. Like, but I was so dumb. I should have saved money back then. This was like, 06 07. I had got, like, a top 50 law firm job for, like, a couple summers. I was like, oh, I'm balling. And the office was right around the corner from Bergdorf Goodman's.

B (20:57)

Okay.

A (20:58)

And Sachs.

B (20:59)

Okay.

A (20:59)

And so I had the Brioni ties, I had Armani suits, I had Brion. It was. It was very fly. But I only wore him to work. And once I wasn't an attorney, I was like, I don't need that anymore. And then I ended up meeting Martin Greenfield around 2014, and I got a bunch of Martin Greenfield suits, and I would wear them abroad, like on Wong's World and things like that. That felt fitting. But it suits never fit my lifestyle.

B (21:25)

Okay.

A (21:26)

And recently I've. I've liked the comb suits. You know, like, if I'm doing film festivals, premieres events, things like that. Like, the comb suit is a nice silhouette right now in this current state where it is baggier. It's a little longer, but it's still chic and kind of. It's slightly tailored.

B (21:45)

Yeah.

A (21:45)

You know?

B (21:46)

Yeah. Now, comb is, I mean, one of the best. One of the best ever. Shout out to Combs, like a brand you could wear for the rest of your life, not need anything else. And, like, you're good.

A (21:55)

Yeah, I do like that. It's more sartorially inclined, but also it's an age thing. Do you mind if I ask what

B (22:00)

age you at 30.

A (22:02)

Oh, you 30? Oh, yeah. That's early for the suiting and stuff. I like that, though. But that. That's cool. I did get into tailored shirts around that age.

B (22:10)

Yeah.

A (22:10)

But I always want to know that there are still younger people wearing the T shirts and the vintage and doing, like, their equivalent of streetwear. But I do feel, once you move into your 30s, like, being more sartorially inclined, it's. It's fly.

B (22:24)

It's definitely fly.

A (22:25)

Your closet should always evolve.

B (22:27)

Absolutely. Yeah. Not the last four or three years, I've been just, like, switching everything out because I just had nothing but sneakers and cr. Crazy, you know, just, like, big, you know, very, like, avant garde.

C (22:37)

Real.

A (22:37)

Yeah, yeah.

B (22:38)

High snobiety era wardrobe. And then it's like, man, this. I just looked. I looked in the mirror one day and I felt stupid. Like, genuinely felt like, I can't keep dressing like this.

A (22:49)

Yeah. It happens to everyone. It's just that era ends and a new door opens, and you start dressing more classically and timelessly. And, you know, like, poor Natasha, she hates her closet right now.

C (22:59)

We have to literally just in, like, I was like, I can't even get dressed right now.

A (23:03)

She hates it.

C (23:04)

Yeah, yeah. I'm living a bad era.

B (23:08)

We all go through it.

C (23:09)

Yeah.

B (23:10)

For sure.

C (23:10)

And it's like, as your life changes, like, you transitioning from, you know, one job to the next, or for me, it's like having a kid changed my style so much because there's a whole evolution with, like, your identity. And I do think just different eras of your life. But it's cool to keep, like, I always will keep some pieces from eras that I just. I'm like, I'm never wearing this again. But you're coming with me.

B (23:31)

Absolutely.

C (23:32)

You're living in the closet forever. And I just, like. It's comforting to me.

A (23:36)

The thing that made me the happiest last week, she said, let's do a joint birthday party. I need to wear some latex again. I'm like, yes, go off the latex back.

C (23:45)

You got to bring it back sometimes. Yeah, you have to, like, get your, like, hoe dress on. Like, I have.

B (23:50)

Absolutely.

C (23:51)

Yeah, yeah. Just. You gotta bring back an era, so

A (23:53)

you have to, like. You gonna bring back some of your old shit. You gotta keep some of it in a storage.

B (23:58)

Sneakers are going nowhere.

A (24:00)

Yeah, yeah.

B (24:01)

Like, outerwear is going nowhere. That's staying, you know.

A (24:04)

Yeah, yeah. It just evolves. Like, I went from Nike to Adidas to Solom, and now, you know, I wear A women's Bottega.

B (24:11)

Ugg.

A (24:11)

You know, like, I'm into that. Do you touch women's at all, like at Macy's or.

B (24:16)

No, no, women's.

A (24:18)

What about in your personal interests?

B (24:21)

I mean, women's jewelry.

A (24:22)

Oh, okay.

B (24:23)

Yeah. Because like that. They have the best jewelry. Besides that, though. Not so much. Not so much. Nah.

A (24:30)

No.

C (24:31)

Okay.

A (24:31)

I got rapid fire question for you off the dome. Off the dome today.

B (24:34)

Okay.

A (24:34)

All right. I know you. You a big eyewear guy and a mule guy. Oh, yeah. But I'm gonna go. All right. Loewe Eyewear or the Bottega eyewear?

B (24:44)

That's a good question.

A (24:46)

They kind of do similar things at times.

B (24:48)

I'm gonna go a little way right

A (24:49)

now because that's what you got them on. They're a little bigger shape, too. You seem to like a bigger shape.

B (24:53)

Oh, yeah.

A (24:53)

I like.

B (24:53)

I like sunglasses because I really can't see, so I really need prescription in my glasses. And prescription glasses are so boring. And so I like to get sunglasses because they have so much character and then I just take out the lenses.

A (25:07)

I agree. Yeah, I agree. In 10th grade, I got a pair of pewter Jean Paul Gaultier sunglasses and put the prescriptions in and went to school. That was. That was my joint. Yeah.

B (25:18)

Yeah.

A (25:18)

Okay. I don't think you're gonna love this brand, but I gotta throw it in there. Loewe or Jacques Mary Mage?

B (25:24)

Not Respect. Jacques Mary Marsh. Okay. I like that Jacques Marimage will actually put, like, real gold on their stuff. I think that's like. I think I'm gonna Jacques. Oh, yeah, yeah.

A (25:40)

I see. I like. I like Jacques Mary Maj. Even though everybody is on it.

B (25:44)

Yeah.

A (25:44)

And it's very much like the Yellowstone eyewear now. You know, I do like their quality, like the weight of their glasses.

C (25:52)

The craft is there for sure.

A (25:54)

It's. It's really, really good. All right, Jacques Mary Mage or Chrome Hearts?

B (25:59)

I'm gonna go Jacques.

A (26:01)

Okay.

B (26:01)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (26:02)

Chrome Hearts. I mean, Jacques Marimage or Cartier.

B (26:06)

I'm gonna go Jacques Marie Maj because they're thicker. Cartiers are really good, but they're so thin.

C (26:11)

They're delicate.

B (26:12)

They're very delicate. And I am somebody that, like, I'll fall asleep with my glasses. Like, I'm not the best. Like, I really have to wear these all the time. So I really, like, Will go to sleep.

A (26:23)

Yeah.

B (26:24)

They'll fall on the floor, so.

A (26:26)

Oh, okay. No, you can't have buffs. You're not above, dude.

B (26:28)

No way. Yeah, it will break and I'll be devastated, and that'll be the end.

A (26:31)

Damn. Yeah. Because I got. She's fun. One day she came to me, goes, yo, you don't pick up anything in the house, but you take care of your buffs.

B (26:39)

I was like, you have to.

A (26:40)

You. I have. I have to. Your sunglasses are all good.

C (26:47)

Yeah.

B (26:47)

Yeah.

C (26:48)

He will handle them with care.

B (26:49)

Yeah.

C (26:50)

Nothing else gets as much care as that.

B (26:52)

Have to. Yeah.

A (26:53)

I apologize.

B (26:55)

Yeah.

A (26:55)

But any. Any other brand we should throw in there, babe, for this rapid fire.

C (26:59)

I feel like Tom Ford.

B (27:00)

Yeah.

C (27:01)

Period Tom Ford.

B (27:02)

Tom Ford is the. He is the God of.

C (27:05)

I love Tom Ford eyewear.

A (27:07)

Wow. Tell me.

C (27:09)

I. There's never been a bad era of Tom Ford eyewear. Like, Bottega's had some bad eras. Like, right now they're in a good one. I'm not really sure about Loewe. Right now they're really in a good one. Like, they're doing really fun. I' never. I mean, some could say Seline for the ladies. Old Seline. Phoebe Philo. Seline was like you. I mean, the best. The best of all time. I lost my pair and, like, I still think about it and I cry and I'm like, wow. I think it's in an elevator in la.

A (27:35)

Those were pretty incredible.

C (27:37)

But, like, I mean, you can totally get them on the real rail right now. But, like, Tom Ford has never missed an era of eyewear.

B (27:44)

Wow.

C (27:44)

Ever.

A (27:45)

It's so funny. I look at it, I never caught, but I think it's because my best friend Raphael always rocks Tom Ford eyewear. And, like, it's like when you're a little kid and you're like, I'm the polo guy, you're the Tommy guy. Yeah, he was on it. So I was like, I don't want the same eyewear as you. Like, I always try to go find the other eyewear.

C (28:02)

Yeah. Okay.

B (28:03)

Tom Ford. Got it.

C (28:04)

For sure.

B (28:05)

Yeah.

C (28:05)

Yeah. And you know what? I will say I really like what ASAP Rocky was doing with Ray Ban.

B (28:12)

Yeah.

C (28:12)

Thought that was cool.

B (28:13)

Really good.

C (28:14)

I like Ray Ban as, like, a classic. Like, a wafer, to me, will never not be cool. Just, like, functionally. I think you should always just have a. If it looks good on you. A wafer. Yeah, I think.

A (28:25)

Yeah. My thing is if I'm going acetate, I get the Jacques Mary Mage. And then if I'm doing jewelry on the face, I just get the Cartier. I do the buffs, I do the leopards, I do the panthers.

B (28:36)

Yeah, yeah.

A (28:37)

Because, you know, it's just. I like it. It's just doing a lot.

B (28:41)

Absolutely.

C (28:42)

What do you think about Gucci eyewear?

B (28:45)

Hit or miss.

C (28:46)

Okay.

B (28:46)

Hit or miss. And a bit, too. I know that, like, all these brands are fashion, but Gucci for me is, like, you don't. I don't think of Gucci eyewear that much. I think of, like, the vintage ones, of course, like, early 2000s, late 90s. They were going crazy, but. Nah, I don't know.

A (29:02)

Yeah, I was. They don't have a direction currently. I hope they do find it.

C (29:07)

Yeah. I find that it's many times Elton John adjacent.

B (29:12)

Yeah.

A (29:12)

You know, and a little rudderless.

C (29:14)

Yeah.

A (29:14)

I will say I kind of like Balenciaga eyewear, even though it's not for my face.

C (29:19)

Yeah.

A (29:19)

You know?

B (29:20)

Yeah.

A (29:20)

It's more for, like, a Eastern European tall guy's face.

B (29:24)

Yeah.

A (29:25)

I like that Prada sometimes has decent,

B (29:28)

you know, sometimes hit or miss Prada

C (29:30)

I put in a bucket with, like, Saint Laurent. I'm like, if that's your thing, you know.

B (29:34)

Yeah.

C (29:35)

You can always find something there. But I don't. Doesn't call out to me, you know, for eyewear.

B (29:40)

Yeah, definitely.

A (29:41)

I remember when we went shopping with the friend, she, like, wanted Saint Laurent glasses. And I was like, why?

B (29:46)

Why? Yeah.

A (29:47)

Why did you pull that name out the hat?

B (29:49)

Yeah.

A (29:49)

Like you do. Not reading about fashion enough.

B (29:53)

Yeah.

C (29:53)

You're not reading about.

A (29:54)

You're not unwell enough, man.

B (29:57)

That's funny.

C (29:57)

That's really funny.

A (29:58)

I love that y' all both was just like, Tom Ford.

B (30:00)

Tom Ford is it.

C (30:01)

So go.

B (30:02)

Tom Ford's it. He's the last. I would say he's the last a list luxury brand to exist. Like, if you really think about it, a brand that can last past him. Like, when he's not here anymore or when he steps down, Tom Ford will still go crazy. He has good fragrance. He has a good bag line. He has good eyewear. What brand has been able to do. I'd say Jacques Mu, but I don't even think it's a list Luxury.

A (30:30)

No, no, no, no, no.

B (30:32)

But he's the last.

A (30:33)

Yeah.

B (30:34)

To where he has strong enough codes to, like, when he's not there. I think it will still exist.

C (30:37)

Yeah. There's. I will always like a Tom Ford fragrance.

A (30:41)

Yeah, always.

C (30:42)

I like a body oil.

B (30:44)

Yeah.

C (30:44)

Like a shimmer body. Like, there's so many products that I will repurchase again and again. You're right. Yeah.

B (30:49)

And, you know, fun fact, I don't know if you all know this. You know, that the creator of Common Projects is the one that designed the Tom Ford bottle. Oh, yeah.

A (30:57)

I did not know that.

B (30:58)

The beautiful.

A (30:59)

But yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a great bottle. And they got great fragrances.

B (31:03)

Oh, yeah.

A (31:04)

You know them and Frederic Mall. I feel like they up there.

B (31:08)

Oh, yeah.

A (31:08)

I actually like the Bottega fragrances right now.

B (31:10)

Okay.

C (31:11)

I love it.

A (31:11)

Yeah. I'm up in the Bottega fragrance.

C (31:13)

Really, really beautiful. They're also doing, like, a beautiful stone.

B (31:18)

Yeah.

C (31:19)

Like, it's just. I'm like, after that bottle is done, I would, like, I could just get it refilled. Yeah, we just go back and you can refill this. It's like, beautiful. I always want to see it.

A (31:28)

We need that fragrance again. Yeah, yeah. I'm surprised you said you like Jacques Mu like that.

B (31:33)

No. Well, the thing is, I think that Jacques Mu is in recent history, the only brand that I see who, when he's like, I'm done, someone else can come in and continue because he has strong enough codes to where it can keep going, you know?

A (31:50)

Yeah. We're like, I see what you're saying. You know what? I see what you're saying. I just know that bag is not made very well.

C (31:56)

He's making new bags now that are really, really beautiful.

A (31:59)

Oh, good.

C (31:59)

Like in the. I would say very recently, they're not what you would think.

A (32:03)

Yeah.

C (32:04)

It doesn't have, like, the lettering on the front so heavy. It's very. It's a little bit more demure.

A (32:10)

Yeah. The first three years, Jacques Mu was out, and I copped a couple of their shirts at dsm. Really nice. Like, there's a shirt we literally share. It's a jacquemou one. Really nice. And then I felt like after the first three years, the quality just dropped a little bit. But it's good to know the quality coming back.

B (32:28)

That's good.

C (32:29)

Yeah.

A (32:29)

Yeah. All right. Food. Right. Let me. I don't have the rapid fire questions ready for you, but I'm curious. Where. Where are you eating these days? You enjoy, man.

B (32:39)

I'm cooking a lot, actually.

A (32:40)

Oh, what you cooking?

B (32:41)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I, you know, it's blueberry spaghetti. Blueberry spaghetti. My sister. My sister told me that I cook like a mob wife. Oh. And I'll take that because, you know, I'm like, making calamari and chicken parm and, you know, that kind of stuff. Zitis and all that kind of stuff. Trying to make my own tortillas, stuff like that, you know?

A (33:02)

No, but the red sauce is fly.

B (33:04)

Red sauce Is good.

A (33:05)

That's cool. Yeah, I like that you're doing that. You keeping yourself well fed. You and your. Whoever, your partner. You keep watching me right now.

B (33:11)

I'm just me.

A (33:12)

Oh, just you saying well fed, going crazy. Wow, wow, wow. Somebody pull up.

B (33:18)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A (33:18)

Get you some calamari.

B (33:20)

Yeah. Been in the food. I mean, shout out to you. Like, that's why it's cool. I'm here because I'm a big fan of yours.

A (33:25)

Thanks, man.

B (33:25)

Watched your show back when Wong's World was fresh off the boat, you know?

A (33:29)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (33:30)

And like, you, obviously, Tony Bourdain, Rest in peace, Action Bronson. You guys, like, made fat like food. Cool.

A (33:39)

Thank you, bro.

B (33:40)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

A (33:40)

Thank you. Thank you. No, you know, it was funny.

B (33:42)

Danny Bowen, too.

A (33:43)

Yeah. Danny. Hell, yeah. But because Everybody's talking about 2016 right now, right? And I was looking at my phone, like, what was going on 2016. I was just like, yo. I was running around the world eating.

B (33:53)

Yeah.

A (33:54)

But I'm thinking about just like, like putting out all our fresh off the Wong's World episodes again. Because I own the whole library.

B (34:01)

Nice.

A (34:01)

I didn't think about just putting it on our sub stack. I think those episodes need to live somewhere.

B (34:06)

Do it.

C (34:07)

Yeah, I think that's cool.

A (34:08)

Yeah.

B (34:09)

Yeah.

A (34:09)

Because like, I told my agents to sell it, but they're just like, ass. And I'm like, dude, I'll just put it out. Just put it out.

C (34:15)

Well, the thing is that you own them. They're yours. You could do whatever you want, man. You could go sell DVDs on Canal street of it if you want.

A (34:23)

Yeah. Because the other day I was trying to show.

C (34:25)

Maybe I will.

A (34:26)

Yeah, I was trying. I wanted to show Senna and I was like, oh, it's not on any service because we took it off from Vice.

B (34:31)

Yeah.

A (34:31)

So I'm thinking about putting them back up.

B (34:33)

Do it. Yeah, do it.

A (34:35)

It'd be fun.

B (34:35)

Yeah. It was a legendary show. Thank you. Yeah. And there's not enough people that do that, like, travel food and are cool, though. Like fly, you know? I mean, that's delicious.

C (34:45)

Yeah.

B (34:45)

Is the only one holding it down right now.

C (34:47)

Yeah, it's interesting. We tried to. We were just, like, wanting to watch a food travel show one night, and we were trying to find something, like, newer that was interesting and cool. And then we were like, there's nothing. There's no one's in this bucket right now. So he ended up watching old no reservations, you know, like, just taking it back to that. But there really? Is no one doing that right now In a way that I think feels culturally relevant to, like, our generation, people that we know.

B (35:18)

Right.

A (35:19)

Because they keep trying to make it, but it's like Hollywood studio execs and agents being like, oh, I got this, like, famous actor who hasn't been booked for a blockbuster for a few years. Put him in a food show and it's like, bro, you gotta love the shit.

B (35:33)

Really, though.

A (35:33)

You gotta love the shit. I think the two things is you really gotta, like, be thinking about recipes and food in your sleep.

B (35:40)

Yeah.

A (35:40)

And have the ability to write. I think that's the thing that Tony could do that made it great was like, he was a writer.

C (35:46)

Absolutely.

A (35:46)

And when you throw people into that format that aren't writers, it loses that gonzo journalism. Hunter S. Thompson.

B (35:53)

Yeah.

A (35:54)

You got to be a writer.

B (35:55)

Absolutely.

A (35:56)

Yeah. But we should. We should revive. Should revive.

B (36:00)

Absolutely.

A (36:01)

Fun, man.

C (36:01)

Recessive.

A (36:02)

Yeah. All right. Yo. Thank you for coming on the show, man. Fantastic.

B (36:06)

Thank you.

C (36:07)

We are gonna pull up on you.

B (36:08)

Okay.

C (36:09)

Yeah.

B (36:09)

Okay.

A (36:09)

You did win a prize.

C (36:10)

This is not an end. This is a to be continued.

B (36:13)

Okay.

C (36:13)

And we'll have access, too.

A (36:14)

Yeah.

B (36:14)

Yeah. I appreciate it.

C (36:16)

We don't live far from Macy's, but maybe we should do this at Macy's.

A (36:20)

We'll have. You know what? We have you in for dinner. We treat you to dinner.

B (36:23)

Okay.

A (36:24)

All right. Bring somebody. And we're going to. We going. Bring it out. Get some sparklers.

B (36:27)

Sounds bottle service.

A (36:30)

I can't wait. All right, later.

B (36:32)

Thank you.