Joshua Topolsky Becomes a Sports Podcaster on C$D

Summary

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Canal Street Dreams - Episode Summary

Episode Title: Joshua Topolsky Becomes a Sports Podcaster on C$D
Hosts: Eddie Huang & Natashia Perrotti
Guest: Josh Topolsky (co-founder of Vox, The Verge, and Outline, now at Sherwood)
Date: October 31, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of Canal Street Dreams, Eddie and Natashia are joined by digital media veteran and Sherwood editor-in-chief Josh Topolsky for a conversation that veers from existential malaise, the realities of modern media, and political corruption to the deeply personal realities of relationships, parenting, gambling, and—more than anyone expected—sports fandom. Beneath the banter, the trio navigate how passions, compulsions, and love shape both their professional and private worlds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of the World and Political Corruption

• Opening Tone: The episode kicks off with sardonic banter about "pro-fascist views," immediately subverting expectations in classic Eddie & Josh fashion.
  • [00:21] Josh's Friend (Topolsky): “We’re living in very dark times... America is used to regular corruption... We are dealing with a different level... a different level of political and societal corruption at the highest levels right now.”
  • [01:19] Conversation about political radicalization in families since Trump.

2. Mental Health, Media, and the Rise of Podcasting

• Podcasting as Therapy: Both hosts and guest reflect on podcasting as a therapeutic outlet, especially for men.
  • [03:44] Josh Sapolsky: “Me doing a podcast is a sign that I’m not okay.”
  • [03:47] Topolsky: “That’s why there are so many, because we have a mental health crisis in this country.”
• The Struggles of Writing vs. Speaking:
  • [04:30] Topolsky: “I hate writing... when I have to sit down and try to organize the thoughts... Like, my brain feels all the time.”

3. Relationships: Passion, Hate, and the Sports Complex

• Dynamics of Desire & Resentment:
  • [06:03] Josh’s Partner (Natashia): “He’s undersexualizing me on a daily basis... I would like to be lusted for.”
  • [06:41] Topolsky: “The best passion has got a little bit of hate in it.”
  • [07:08] Natashia: “My hate is informed by how much you love sports.”
• Routine and Resentment Linked to Sports:
  • [07:10] Josh Sapolsky: “Monday to Wednesday, very nice. Thursday night football... silent treatment on Friday. Sunday comes along and it’s like, dude, I hate you. We beef, hot sex.”
• Sports Betting and Compulsion:
  • [09:00] Josh Sapolsky: “I bet on every game. If there’s a rec league down the street, I’ll watch it and put a regular game on my phone.”
  • [09:55] Natashia & Josh riff on high-stakes betting.

4. Fanaticism & Gendered Hobbies

• The Place of Sports in Identity:
  • [13:20] Topolsky: “This does not matter at all. These guys... will never change anything for me. If I just don’t pay attention, I don’t have to feel this horrible feeling.”
  • [14:30] Josh Sapolsky: “Sports teams are an extension of family community. That’s our team.”
• Reality TV vs. Sports – Gendered “Recreation”:
  • [14:34] Natashia: “I wish women had things like sports... the Real Housewives a little bit, or I guess like the Bravo universe... But sports is like... this thing that you guys go do.”
  • [18:06] Josh Sapolsky (about a hypothetical Housewives ‘Red Zone’ channel): “Imagine if they had red zone for reality TV Housewives…she’s about to throw a leg. She’s about to flip a table. Red zone for Housewives. Crazy.”

5. Compromise, Respect, and Taking Up Space

• Natashia’s Perspective:
  • [20:53] Natashia: “I have a problem taking up space... I grew up with just a vibe of... if my mom was listening to music, I just wouldn’t go in there and be like, we’re gonna listen to Doja Cat.”
  • [21:32] Josh Sapolsky: “She was dating dudes with self worth.”
• The Hidden Truth of Addictions:
  • [21:50] Natashia: “He was basically hiding his drug addiction from me...'
  • [22:41] Josh Sapolsky: “Honestly, the clues were there... 75% of my closet is nylon clothing, he may like sports.”
• Mutual Acceptance of Flaws:
  • [24:13] Josh’s Friend (Topolsky): "We’re really talking about relationships here is what we’re doing."
  • [24:21] Natashia: “You’ve accepted a lot of, like, insane things about me. Like, I want a $100,000 handbag.”
  • [27:08] Josh Sapolsky: “If you hit a six-leg parlay, you will feel just love, life, energy. Eat, pray, love.”

6. Consumerism, Capitalism, & The Search for Meaning

• Addictive Personalities and Dopamine Chasing:
  • [27:22] Josh’s Partner (Natashia): “It’s the immediate dopamine rush. And then it goes away. And then you’re like... I need another parlay. That’s why you have to keep laying parlays. That’s why I have to keep shopping every week.”
  • [27:35] Topolsky: “Sometimes cataclysmic happen, bro.”
• Material Obsessions:
  • [25:10] Topolsky: “I do get that now. I get that actually. A lot more than sports, in a way.”
  • [25:34] Topolsky: “Shopping is the American... pastime... For Americans, it’s shopping.”

7. Boundaries, Work-Life Balance & Public/Private Personas

• Appropriate Contexts for “Crazy Opinions”:
  • [32:22] Topolsky: “We need to return to a time when you can think it and not say it.”
  • [35:25] Josh Sapolsky: “I’m fine with people having crazy opinions. Have a crazy opinion in a group chat, at a barbecue... But in the public domain, social contract, be cool.”
• Media World Anecdotes:
  • [36:09] Josh Sapolsky tells the story of getting kicked out of TED for going on a risqué podcast with Asa Akira instead of networking with donors.
  • [38:46] Description of Sapolsky’s TED Talk and media attitudes.

8. Parenting, Family and Routine

• Integrating Sports, Friends, and Parenting:
  • [41:31] Topolsky prompts questions about including children in hobbies. Josh notes how his son enjoys the “homies” and the home-centric sports routine.
  • [42:22] Josh clarifies team allegiance (Commanders) and the code among sports gamblers.

9. Relationship Conflict & Communication

• Intimacy and Arguing Over Needs:
  • [48:19] Sapolsky: “They’re always just one of us feels that someone is doing something that makes them feel unloved. And all we have to do is just reconfirm... I do love you and I’m here.”
  • [49:23] Topolsky: “It is really hard to express what you really want... If I have to say it, then it doesn’t matter if I get it. Because, like, the fact that they didn’t know that I needed it is what is making me feel aggravated...”
  • [50:34] Natashia: “To be seen is to be loved. And sometimes we can lose sight of the little things with our partners.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Corruption and Dark Times:
  • “We are dealing with a different level, I think, of… political and like, societal corruption at the highest levels right now.”
    — Josh's Friend (Topolsky), [01:19]
• On Mental Health and Media:
  • “Me doing a podcast is a sign that I’m not okay.”
    — Josh Sapolsky, [03:44]
• On Addictive Personalities:
  • “If you hit a six leg parlay, you will feel just love, life, energy. Eat, pray, love...”
    — Josh Sapolsky, [27:08]
  • “It’s the immediate dopamine rush. And then it goes away. And then you’re like, oh my god, I need a new one. I need another parlay. That’s why you have to keep laying parlays. That’s why I have to keep shopping every week.”
    — Natashia Perrotti, [27:22]
• On Public Discourse Boundaries:
  • “We need to return to a time when you can think it and not say it.”
    — Josh Topolsky, [32:22]
• On Relationship Needs:
  • “It is really fucking hard to one to like, experience that in yourself and to recognize it. But it’s also really hard to figure out a way to say to a person… this is the thing that is bringing me to this place.”
    — Josh Topolsky, [49:23]
  • “To be seen is to be loved. And like, sometimes I think we can lose sight of the little things with our partners, especially long term.”
    — Natashia Perrotti, [50:34]

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Rapid-Fire Segment: “Five” Questions for Josh Topolsky [54:35–59:40]

• Best News Outlets?
  • Topolsky recommends The New York Times (“despite many problems”), Semaphore, and his own Sherwood for young market coverage.
    — [54:49 – 55:37]
• AI or Touch Grass (and sub-question about grooming):
  • Prefers moderation, “crank down our interest and reliance on AI in the ways that we’re using it right now… it’s not fully formed...”
    — [56:19]
• iPhone vs. Samsung:
  • Android gets the nod: “Android’s a better platform…more enjoyable and more useful.”
    — [57:22 – 57:30]
• Marry, F, Kill: Sam Altman, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg:
  • Kill Zuck (“so much more subtle and… widespread [damage] than Musk”), marry or F Altman. “Musk has, like, a sly twinkle in his eye…”
    — [57:44 – 59:00]
• If you had to play and bet on a sport—what sport?
  • Basketball (tall, played before); F1 if not; enjoys basketball culture best.
    — [60:11–60:41]

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Tone and Style

• The episode is unfiltered and humorous, characterized by rapid-fire exchanges, playful roasting, and deep honesty.
• The hosts’ and guest’s willingness to self-deprecate and share neuroses about relationships, addiction, and aging keeps the mood lively, even as serious points land about modern anxiety.

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Key Takeaways

• Passion, obsession, and love are complexly intertwined in relationships—sports gambling and consumerism are just the surface manifestations.
• Modern media and politics feel broken, but finding meaningful escapes and honest conversations are pillars for maintaining sanity.
• Communication, boundaries, and mutual respect underpin long-term relationship health—even when fights are “horrendous.”
• Keeping it real is better than keeping to the script; authenticity, even chaotic, is the podcast’s north star.

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Recommended Segments to Listen To

• Discussion of Modern Corruption & Diagnosis of “Dark Times”: [00:21–02:43]
• Sports as Proxy for Identity/Family: [13:20–15:11]
• Gambling Addiction and Big Bets Stories: [09:13–10:35; 27:08]
• Reality TV vs. Sports—Gendered Hobbies: [14:30–18:32]
• Communication and the Dynamics of Long-Term Relationships: [48:19–50:43]
• Rapid-Fire Q&A with Topolsky (Pop culture and Tech hot takes): [54:35–59:40]

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Canal Street Dreams continues to deliver on its promise: real talk for grownups, creators, and anyone muddling through the modern condition with humor, candor, and a bit of chaos.

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Transcript

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, this is great. Welcome back to the show Canal Street Dreams. We have Josh Sapolsky here today, co founder of Vox, Verge Outline, and he's here to talk about his pro fascist views.

[Josh's Friend]

Wow. Okay.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Welcome. Welcome, Josh.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm glad we're starting right there. Yeah, you know me, I love fascism. I'm always telling people, more. More fascism. Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I looked you up on Wikipedia, Josh.

[Josh's Friend]

Topolski, big fan of fascism, loves fascism. No. Well, look, we're living in very dark times. It's on my mind all the time now. You know, like, every day I wake up, I look at my phone and I'm like, I know this is a bummer, but I like. I'm like, God in heaven. Like, I. Could I sleep? Could I go back to sleep? Could I just sleep through this? You know? Like, you can't. You can't sleep through it.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No. Sometimes I think about it and I'm like, is stuff as bad as it feels or are we just at that age where we're, like, worried and we have enough maturity to like, grapple and receive how bad the news is? Cause I'm like, my parents always seemed pissed off, too.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, your parents are, I'm sure, pissed off for good reason. My parents are like, they seem depressed. My father in law is like, antifa. I mean, he's become. Because of Trump. He went from not ever voting to being like, they're all bums, you know, like one of those guys.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

To being like. He's like, literally, you know, getting shot by ice now or whatever. No, he hasn't gotten shot by ice. He's become radicalized in the. To the left by what's going on politically in the country. I think, like, yeah, I mean, wow, we're really starting off on the heavy shit. Is it as bad as, like, we think? I think it is actually worse. I think it is. What's going on in the highest levels of the government there is like, real deep. Like, America is like, used to regular corruption. We're like, oh, you know, like, money corruption. Like, oh, the gun lobby wants to give you money so you don't pass a law, like, making, you know, making guns, like, harder to get or whatever. Normal. That's normal political corruption in this country. Oh, like, you know, the. The big pharma wants to give you money so you don't, like, ban their drug. That is dangerous or whatever. We are dealing with, like, a different level, I think, of. Of political and like, societal corruption at that. At the highest levels right now. So I think we can't See it, like, they're like. You know, everybody's like, release the Epstein files. Right? Like, who has the Epstein files right now? Do you know where the Epstein files are? Can they be released at this point? Did they not just burn them? Did they not just disappear them? Like. I don't know. I'm just saying it's good for me, you know, because I'm all over those things. I'm kidding.

[Josh's Partner]

Where do you think?

[Josh's Friend]

No reaction. No reaction.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No. I was, like, waiting for a moment, you know, like. You know that Seinfeld episode where they're like, we never made out because there was never an awkward pause.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

There was not a moment to jump in, so I was just like.

[Josh's Partner]

I was.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I was like. Your monologue time is. No, it's awesome.

[Josh's Friend]

To ra.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Don't be sorry. The floor is yours.

[Josh's Friend]

Great. This is. I got. I got the comedian mic and everything, too. I'm ready to go.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah. You're doing the filibuster.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, I'm doing. I'm doing my type five, man.

[Josh Sapolsky]

It's good. I like it.

[Josh's Friend]

My type 55.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I. I honestly think. I definitely think this is, like, the worst time I've ever lived through, but I always try to step outside of my own brain and feelings for a moment and just be like, am I being a. And I'm like, no, I think this is the worst since World War II.

[Josh's Friend]

I mean, you might be. You could be. Maybe you're being a bitch and it's bad. I mean, things. Both things could be true.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yes.

[Josh's Friend]

I think that's true for me a lot of the time, personally. But. Yeah, but also, we're, like, doing okay. You know, we're like. You know, here we are doing a podcast. You know, that's a luxury.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I think me doing a podcast is a sign that I'm not okay.

[Josh's Friend]

No, I get. No, I mean, agree mentally. Well, I think that's why there are so many, because we have a mental health crisis in this country. Yeah. It's not being addressed, and that's why people got to go on a pot. I mean, for men.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, this is the only time, really. The translation is just, like, my next film is still being financed.

[Josh's Friend]

Well, I mean, all right, you know, you got to do something in between. You got to. Got to keep the engine.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah. We got to keep the register ringing, you know? Hi, welcome.

[Josh's Friend]

Is the register ringing from this?

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah. I love registers ringing. I love to be a registers ringing. Yeah. But no, we do it because we're passionate, and we love this, and we Love our fans and we.

[Josh's Friend]

Right, no, no, I get it.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That's why I. Shut the fuck up when you start to monologue shit.

[Josh's Friend]

This is why.

[Josh Sapolsky]

This is to the promised land, Josh.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm gonna try to take it home. This is why for most of my career in media, when I was, like, doing, like, you know, building brands and websites or whatever, I was also like, oh, I got a podcast. Like, cause, man, I have a lot of shit to say, and it can't be contained. I hate writing. Like, I know. That's, like, sacrilegious to say, having been, like, a writer and I'm now an editor, and obviously I work with a ton. I've worked with a ton of great writing talent. But when I have to sit down and try to organize the thoughts, like, I will often write the second letter of a word first. Like, when I'm writing, if I'm writing by hand, I will write. Like, I get. I'm skipping to the next part, which is, like, how my brain feels all the time.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Do you do that too?

[Josh's Partner]

Well, yeah, because I. For me, it's like I'm thinking so fast, I can't write it as quickly as I'm thinking it. And then I start, and then I'm like, oh, I actually skipped a word because I'll be like, it just doesn't work as fast as my brain, so I'm better at talking the rest. Why I don't like writing because I'm just like, it's gonna get up, and then I get sidetracked, and then I'm, like, bored writing it. So then I just. It's a whole thing.

[Josh's Friend]

Do you. Have you ever tried, like, doing, like, speaking to the. Like, a computer?

[Josh's Partner]

No, because, honestly, nothing that I have to say is that important or interesting. So it's like, I could just, like, keep it up here. To be honest, no one's really interesting, I think. I mean, I think my dick gets.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Hard, like, 70 of the time you're talking probably because I have tits. Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

W. I mean, you went right into the sexual part. That's interesting. Yeah. No, I mean, do you feel that he's over sexualizing you there? No, no, no.

[Josh's Partner]

I actually think he's under sexualizing me on a daily basis in our relationship. I would like to be lusted for.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay. I feel like.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I think she has, like, a hot mind. Like, I'm curious about most of the things.

[Josh's Friend]

There's lust here.

[Josh's Partner]

No, there is. You know, we had lunch the other.

[Josh's Friend]

Day, and I felt like I heard a lot of lust in the conversation.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah. She starts talking and I'm just like, should we, should we take this to another room?

[Josh's Friend]

I heard passion.

[Josh's Partner]

Okay.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Oh, I'm very pass.

[Josh's Friend]

But, but passion is complicated. You know, it is. It's timing, it's, it's, it's place, it's mood. I don't know.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I don't.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, I mean, there's also a lot of aggression and passion. You know, it could go either way. It could be like hot aggression, but then it can just be like crazy.

[Josh's Friend]

The best passion has got a little bit of hate in it, I think.

[Josh's Partner]

A little bit of.

[Josh's Friend]

There's a little bit of hate in, in, in the great relationships that you might have. I think there's always got to be a. Just a tiny bit of. Or maybe more than a tiny bit.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Oh, she sufficiently hates me.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, but enough that the sex is good. Do you know too much that we don't get along? Like, it's, it's the healthy dose of hate. And it usually is informed by his. Like, my hate is informed by how much you love sports.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yes, I. I see the rhythm that.

[Josh's Friend]

Would inform my hate.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I see the rhythm now. Monday through Wednesday, in the house. Very nice. Really great. Thursday night football is the beginning of the beef Wellingtons that we're making in the house. Cuz Thursday night I'm watching football. I fall asleep on the couch. There's no cuddling. Friday, it's like silent treatment. We get along on the pod. We go on a nice cute date. Friday, Saturday, cool. Then Sunday comes along and it's like, dude, I hate you. We beef, hot sex. And then she actually is fine with me watching Monday night Football. But those are the.

[Josh's Partner]

Here's the thing. I'm fine with you watching sports as long as you're making money off of it. So as long as you're like hitting.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Your partner $325 last night, you're on steak.

[Josh's Friend]

That's like Drake's thing.

[Josh's Partner]

Whatever. It doesn't matter. I don't care where you are. I don't care if you're like online with a bookie down the street. I don't give a. If there's like money happening. I'm like, all right, cool. Justifiable. Yeah, justifiable. I'm like, cool. I like that. But my thing is you watch. You're not just like, I have my team and I watch my one team's football game. I don't know what time football starts in the morning. I don't know who the is starts in the morning. It starts at 9am he will watch.

[Josh Sapolsky]

American football, European games, everything.

[Josh's Partner]

Are we talking about soccer on a four screen? On a four split screen. So it's the Chargers versus the. Whoever the. The American.

[Josh's Friend]

That's American football.

[Josh's Partner]

Whatever. The Bears versus the Lions is a team. They're all on the screen. And I'm like, first of all, you have.

[Josh's Friend]

Are you splitting the screen or do you have four separate.

[Josh's Partner]

Four. It's a split screen.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Four.

[Josh's Partner]

If he could, he probably have four. TV all split.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay. And this is a new level I'm hearing. I didn't know this about you adhd.

[Josh's Partner]

And then not only is it football, it's college football. And then college football rolls right into basketball. And then B. I don't even know what other sports are you.

[Josh's Friend]

The Knicks are back watching games. You're. Are you only watching games you're betting on or are you watching.

[Josh's Partner]

He's watching.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I bet on every game.

[Josh's Friend]

You bet on every game.

[Josh's Partner]

If there's a rec league down the street, he'll go outside to watch it and he'll put the regular game on his phone. He'll watch anything.

[Josh's Friend]

What's your. What's your ratio? Like, your hit ratio? Like, do you. Have you calculated how often you win?

[Josh Sapolsky]

My hit ratios low because I do six, seven, eight leg, nine leg parlays. But when I hit, it pays for everything. Yeah, so they do. So that's actually.

[Josh's Friend]

That. That's the business is bad.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I. I hit. I hit some whoppers.

[Josh's Partner]

Well, you have to risk it all to win big.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

You know what I mean? Like, you can't. Like, who cares if you're winning, like 25. 50 bucks. 50 bucks. Like, no, you gotta. You gotta really risk it all.

[Josh's Friend]

You gotta lay counts.

[Josh Sapolsky]

She likes the kind of.

[Josh's Partner]

I mean, one time. One time we were. We lost our house. We were homeless.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, that's not because of gambling.

[Josh's Friend]

There wasn't. You did lose your home.

[Josh's Partner]

We didn't lose our.

[Josh's Friend]

Like, give me a. Give me a number. Give digit. Like the biggest digit that you would.

[Josh's Partner]

No idea.

[Josh's Friend]

Biggest number you would. Would gamble.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I think I put $19,000 on a hand of blackjack.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay.

[Josh's Partner]

Oh, that's not bad.

[Josh's Friend]

That's a lot of money. But, like, that's not. Was stupid. I mean, it's.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Wasn't the worst for you.

[Josh's Friend]

It's probably not stupid.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I got up. What happened? I went from three. I started with three. I got up, up, up. I went into the high roller table and I was getting hot and I had 19 on hand and I wanted to eat Chinese Food. I was just. I had a reservation to keep pecking duck. So 19, boom and lost it. And I was like, all right, let's go eat duck, right?

[Josh's Friend]

Hungry.

[Josh's Partner]

That's your thing. Hunger can make things. You. If you get bored or you're done or you don't like the people that are at the table, you're out.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah. That's where I up gambling is. If I get impatient or bored or annoyed, I'm like, I don't want to gam.

[Josh's Partner]

It has to be good conditions, I think.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah. But I. But I do think, well, so I'm not. I have like, maybe this is related to my interest in sports, which is not. Which is pretty much zero. But no offense. I mean, I know it's like. But when I think about gambling, I'm like, I'm not going to be good at this. That's how I feel. I'm like, first off, this entire structure is set up for me to fail. Right. I don't have a competitive. I'm not a competitive person. I don't really like to. I don't love the idea of competition, sort of in a way. And I sort of in a way, don't believe in it to some extent. But, like, I. I know it exists, but not for me. But I'm like, I'm going to lose. So I feel like walking into it. It's just better for me not to start because I don't feel like I have the equipment, the mental equipment to win.

[Josh Sapolsky]

This is cool to hear your perspective because I talked to Natasha about this a lot. Like, me and my buddy Harold, who we gambled together, he comes over, watches the games. We were actually telling her the other day, we're like, we don't understand men who don't bet on sports or play sports. But this makes. This has, like, opened up a whole nother.

[Josh's Friend]

I want to tell you all about.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Men Realm for me.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm ready to open up the other side of man.

[Josh Sapolsky]

This is the other side.

[Josh's Friend]

Well, maybe. I don't know. I mean, like, definitely on the sports thing. So look, I should say there have been periods in my life where I have been a friend of mine, Nick, who's a Pittsburgh Steelers super fan, I'm from Pittsburgh and for two seasons of the Steelers, like, when we were in our 20s, he was like, watch it with me. And I was like, all right, I'll watch it. And I did. I loved watching it. I enjoyed it. But at the end of both of those seasons, we got into the playoffs and then we got crushed And I was so viscerally unhappy, so upset, you know, I was like, really? I felt, like, really depressed. And then I went, wait a second. This does not matter at all. This has no impact on my life whatsoever. These guys, if they win or they lose, will never change anything for me. And if I just don't pay attention, I don't have to feel this horrible feeling. And then I was like, oh, right. Well, that's a good reason not to watch sports. Like, if I get invested and then they fail. But the thing is, like, if I do something and I fail, it impacts me directly, right? Like, I'm like, you know, I tried something, it didn't go my way. That's like a lesson for me in life when a sports. When my favorite sports team fails, it's like, there's no lesson here. They should have played better.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

That's like. My takeaway is, why didn't these guys play better?

[Josh Sapolsky]

This is so interesting.

[Josh's Partner]

I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more.

[Josh's Friend]

Really. This is. This is. Do you feel like. I'm sorry. Do you feel like I'm. These are things you've not thought about?

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I. I like, I don't relate because, like, the Knicks. What happens with the Knicks directly impacts my life. Like, what happens to the Commanders. Right.

[Josh's Friend]

The Michigan Wolverine Commanders are dc.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah. I, like, care. Like, it will. It really. It really matters. Like, that's my family. It's like the sports teams are an extension of family community. Like, that's our team.

[Josh's Friend]

That's so team. I was talking to my therapist about this, actually, and he was like, you need to learn how to, like, do recreation, you know, because I'm like, I'm a very. You know, I've had all kinds of, like, the last couple years, I've had, like, crazy relationship issues and stuff. And, like, just like. And I'm like, I don't know, like, what to do when I'm alone, like, if I'm not working or if I'm not with, like, a partner or whatever. And he was like, yeah, you need to learn how to, like, do recreation. And he's like, you know, like, that's why people watch sports. And I. I had like an actual, like, epiphany in therapy. I was like, oh, right. Like, this is something you could do, like, with friends or alone. And it's like, you are just doing that. Like, I just. For me, it never connected that, like, that would be something that would be enjoyable, like.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, no, because she. She observed. You should talk about all the Time. She's like, I wish women had things like sports.

[Josh's Partner]

Like, Yeah, I. Just.

[Josh's Friend]

Not reality tv.

[Josh's Partner]

I mean, sometimes it's like the Real Housewives a little bit, or I guess like the Bravo universe, if you get into it. And like, the women who really get in, get in. And I do, you know, lightly, like, speak about it with my friends. I don't have enough time anymore. That's the thing. But sports is like. It's like golf for men. There's just like this thing that you guys go do. Yeah, the guys that do it, you guys go do. And it's like, to me, it, like, you would look at me like I was batshit crazy if on a Sunday, I was like, no, you can't watch sports. Like, we have something to do. You'd be like, you.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, that'd be an argument.

[Josh's Partner]

But there's nothing. But if I looked at you on like a Wednesday night and I was like, go. You need to do bedtime and bath time and you need to stay home because I'm watching the Real Housewives in the other room, you'd be like, shut the up.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I get it. I respect the Housewives.

[Josh's Partner]

No, no, no, you would not.

[Josh's Friend]

By the way.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I have done it. I've done it.

[Josh's Partner]

No, but I've done.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I've done bedtime a couple times.

[Josh's Friend]

A couple times.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, but you.

[Josh's Friend]

Hold on. We got to have a parenting talk. Hold on.

[Josh's Partner]

You would never, like. You would never be like, oh, I'm not going to do this thing, or I'm not. Like, my watching reality TV would never supersede something that you have going on.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Just so you know, you watching the morning show and just like that. Or reality tv, I consider that church for you. I just.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, but I do it when our kids napping. Or I do it, like, I would. I never.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That's your choice.

[Josh's Partner]

It's my choice. But no, but what I'm saying.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I view it as important.

[Josh's Partner]

No, you don't. Because if on, like, no, you know, if I.

[Josh's Friend]

That also. You can pause.

[Josh's Partner]

You can't pause crazy. It's genuinely not the same thing. And you know it's not. Because if we had, like, a plan to do something, and I. You will. You'll move a podcast to watch a game you'll, like, rarely schedule a dinner on a night for a game.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Oh, I. I change flights for games. Like, if they flex the commanders.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm thinking what I'm hearing is approaching perhaps beyond a level you might want to. Like, this feels like maybe it's at a Level, that is.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, no, no, no, no. Like, I've done this. I've had, like, I've worked with brands in a professional setting where I thought the commanders were playing Sunday, so I'm flying Monday, but then they flex the commanders to Monday night, and I'm like, I actually need to fly Sunday now, and it's Saturday or whatever. And they're like, we. We can't get you on a Sunday flight, but you need to get me on some flight, because I cannot fly unless this plane has Monday night football live TV on. I need to have it. I gotta have it. I can't fly if the commanders are playing. I don't fly sitting up. I don't fly when my teams are playing.

[Josh's Friend]

No, I hear. I hear that. I hear that. Couple things I want to. What's happening? A couple things I want to address. First off, couple of things. By the way, I love. I'm loving this. I feel like it was maybe sexist to suggest that reality TV was like the women's version of sports, because I think there are a lot of women that watch sports.

[Josh's Partner]

Oh, it's fine. Honestly, maybe.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And I also want to say. And I. You got to continue. This is good. You're taking a good. But I just want to say I understand how important it is. There was a shorty on the show that took off, like, a prosthetic leg and threw her on a table. I was like, this is a big deal.

[Josh's Friend]

That is.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That's like hitting a grand slam.

[Josh's Partner]

That's a big deal. Aviva Drescher Season 7 Episode 10 Just.

[Josh Sapolsky]

So you know.

[Josh's Partner]

I love. I like the dynamics of Real Housewives. Actually. I could really get into it. I mean, the socio.

[Josh Sapolsky]

You should watch the Housewives on Four Squares on the tv. You should try them. No, you should do that.

[Josh's Friend]

All of the housewives going.

[Josh Sapolsky]

You should multi.

[Josh's Partner]

The thing here's the thing is I. I have respect, so I would never do that.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yo, imagine if they had red zone for a moment. If they had red zone for reality TV Housewives. You could just watch it and be like, oh, on this show, they're about to throw a leg. Oh, she's about to ruin dinner. Oh, she's about to flip the table. Red zone for housewives. Crazy.

[Josh's Partner]

There's no way, because it's. It's just a different thing. And yeah, in the same way that I don't understand your little plays and the little things that happen over on the football, people think little play.

[Josh's Friend]

Honestly, I don't understand community theater.

[Josh's Partner]

I wish that would be so cool. No, I don't understand, like, the goals and, like, some. Why is someone kicking?

[Josh's Friend]

It's.

[Josh's Partner]

I don't know, randomly. I don't get that stuff.

[Josh Sapolsky]

So that's a field goal.

[Josh's Friend]

Usually they're kicking out a group of.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Guys from a neighborhood, are like, we're better than those dudes. All it is is west side Story.

[Josh's Friend]

That does not compare.

[Josh's Partner]

I don't have that either. So that's so, like.

[Josh's Friend]

That's so, like, that doesn't. Yeah, I'm like, whatever.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, I don't have it.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm like, I know I'm better than you, so I don't have to like.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, exactly.

[Josh Sapolsky]

You have self worth.

[Josh's Partner]

I like.

[Josh's Friend]

I mean, not to be egotistical, but when it comes to that kind of stuff, if somebody was, like, trying to flex on me or whatever, I'd be like, yeah, I don't. This isn't working on me.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, I don't have enough self worth. I need to be with the homies. And I'm like, all right, as a gang, we got self worth. And if we all wear this same shirt.

[Josh's Friend]

Interesting.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And then go fight those guys from the other place with different shirts and prove we're better than. I have self worth.

[Josh's Friend]

I want to rewind for a second. I like that, but I want to rewind. So she. She called out. She feels disrespected by the. By the arrangement.

[Josh's Partner]

Oh, no, no, no, I don't.

[Josh's Friend]

Well, you said he didn't. You said he didn't have respect because you wouldn't do it because you have respect.

[Josh's Partner]

I have respect.

[Josh's Friend]

Which suggests to me.

[Josh's Partner]

No, I just. I would never. Because I'm. Here's the thing. I'm an only child, and I was raised in a house. It was just me and my mom. Single mom. I've. I don't understand. Boy. I don't really. I'm, like, not that into it. Like, really, truly. I. Like, in my deepest desires, I would just be a lesbian. But that's not as. I just.

[Josh's Friend]

It's. That's a path available to you.

[Josh's Partner]

It's not. You can't just choose to not like.

[Josh Sapolsky]

For me. She likes Chinese food.

[Josh's Partner]

Here I am. I found myself in a predicament where I've married a man. Predicament, you know, and that's a quagmire.

[Josh's Friend]

She stumbled into a.

[Josh's Partner]

That's my life situation. So I. And he grew up with, like, two brothers and a house with a mom and a dad. You had things going on in your house. Me and my mom could quietly coexist I. We usually like the same stuff. We're like the girlies. We like the same stuff. We like the same show. So if we were watching something, it would be the same. I grew up with just like a vibe of. And if my mom was like, listening to a certain. Like, she was like, in the kitchen cooking, listening to music, I just wouldn't go in there and be like, we're going to listen to DOA Cat. Like, I'd be like, cool. You know what I mean? Just for, like. I don't know why that came in my head. So when he's. I would never. If he's home and we're like, doing something as a family, the vibe is like, the family. I would never be like, I'm going to now take up space. I have a problem taking up space. This is what it is. I'm now figuring out.

[Josh's Friend]

You're worried about taking up space?

[Josh's Partner]

Not worried about it. I just don't think. I just feel. I do my. When I, like, when he's watching football, I'll go watch my show. That's my time. But, like, I would never be like, you have to watch this thing. He's very respectful about sports. He'll be like, what room do you want to be in? I'll be in the other one. I'm not gonna, like, subject you to it. And then he'll turn the volume down, like, if it's late and he needs to be quiet. Very respectful. I just am like, I'm aware I'm doing drugs. I was designed to get this wireless headset. I was designed to live with. With women. Like, sometimes I look back too, and I'm like. We talk about it. I'm like, he's like, you never dated a guy that likes sports? I'm like, no, because a lot of the guys I was eating, maybe they like, maybe they didn't even like women. Who knows? You know what I mean? Like, maybe that was the vibe. Maybe I was in, like, interest.

[Josh Sapolsky]

She was dating dudes with self worth.

[Josh's Friend]

They don't want me in with these guys. I don't know who these guys.

[Josh Sapolsky]

They're all very capable.

[Josh's Partner]

He, like, he kind of like, lied to. To me in the beginning of our relationship.

[Josh's Friend]

Let's. Let's hear more about that.

[Josh's Partner]

I remember, like, we were first dating and like, it was around the. The Knick season was starting and he was like, doing a lot for the Knicks. Like, he was like, flying places to go see games. And I was like, oh, are you like a big sports fan? And he Was like, no, no, like, not like that. Like, he's like, I watch the games, but it's like, not like that. And then the first year of our relationship, he really was. I think he was like, going to the bathroom. Like, he was like, basically like hiding his drug addiction from me.

[Josh's Friend]

Oh, wow.

[Josh's Partner]

And so I had no idea.

[Josh's Friend]

And then extre.

[Josh's Partner]

Then once I had, like, moved in and gotten pregnant and like, I wasn't going anywhere.

[Josh's Friend]

Game switch.

[Josh's Partner]

I was like, so there's more screens coming. There's a game on every day, and there's four to five screens on every day. And then, and then it was like, can't go anywhere. Can't do anything on the couch. Game day. Like, we're cooking wings. Like, it was like, I was like, what wow is going on? Like, it was.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Honestly, honestly, this is our own fault. Because the clues were there. I selectively lay going to the bathroom.

[Josh's Friend]

With your phone to check out your.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I had laid out clues like, if you go to a man, listen, if you go to his house and there's a walk in closet and 75% of it is nylon clothing, he may like sports. Right? One hint.

[Josh's Friend]

I wasn't sure where that was going.

[Josh Sapolsky]

The first time I visited her in New York, I went to the Knicks Celtics double OT game opener. When we got Kemba Walker, the Knicks won. And then I met her up at a bar.

[Josh's Partner]

You should know, like, I have no idea what that means. I've. I've met so many men who are like, I'm going to this game. And then afterwards, like, do you want to hang out? I didn't know they had like a sickness.

[Josh's Friend]

Right.

[Josh's Partner]

You know what I mean?

[Josh's Friend]

I do think what, what I'm hearing about in the home and out of the home sounds a little bit more than I like sports. It sounds like it is.

[Josh's Partner]

It's more than that.

[Josh Sapolsky]

But I recently mock draft all seven rounds of the NFL draft, write it down and put it in a manila envelope so that I could then look back in 10 years and be like, I picked the right players.

[Josh's Friend]

I can't believe, by the way, that's who you marry. I can't. I can't believe how much we're talking about sports on a podcast I'm involved in. I can tell you this, to me, is. But it's really. We're really talking about relationships here is what we're doing.

[Josh's Partner]

It really is about relationships. That's what we'll say is that I know and I know this about him and I've accepted it and I'm Cool. And I, like, complain funnily as, like, you know what I mean? It's like a little whatever. I can jab at you and, like, poke at you, make fun of your sports addiction. It's fine.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I've accepted. You have expensive taste and.

[Josh's Partner]

But that's what I'm saying. You've accepted a lot of, like, insane things about me. Like, I want a $100,000 handbag.

[Josh's Friend]

Same.

[Josh's Partner]

And that is.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And I have to gamble to get.

[Josh's Friend]

How you going to get the money for that?

[Josh's Partner]

Exactly. We're not going to, like, earn it. We're not going to earn it above board. We're going to. It's going to be.

[Josh's Friend]

There's $100,000 handbag.

[Josh's Partner]

There is. And it's a Himalayan Birkin.

[Josh's Friend]

What is a Himalayan.

[Josh's Partner]

Himalayan Birkin.

[Josh's Friend]

What is the material that we're talking about being used for the burk.

[Josh's Partner]

I mean, you could. I mean, when you get into the exotic hand. Himalayan crocodiles. Okay. There's just anacondas. Anacondas. Anacondas usually are like, they're making those.

[Josh's Friend]

Like, custom or you get it customized.

[Josh's Partner]

No, they're not making them custom. You could, for instance, if you were going to Hermes and you did have a sales associate who offered you a custom bag, you could do that. And then, I mean, you could rack it up to a crazy amount if you were offered that. But you have to be offered that. Not everyone can just go get a custom bag from Airbus.

[Josh's Friend]

I do get that now. I get that actually. A lot more than sports, in a way.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah. I'm a collect. I like to collect. Like, I want pieces that I don't even want to wear it. I just want to, like, I know that I've just, like, now I've amassed this thing that it just makes me happy.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, I. I get that. I'm a. I'm. You know, shopping is the American. Great American pastime, really. People talk about, like, baseball being the. Whatever. It's. It's really. For Americans, it's shopping.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And I. I love an Auntie Annie's pretzel.

[Josh's Partner]

Me too.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm like. I'm like, obviously. And against capitalism at a kind of on a human level, because I think it creates a tremendous disparity. I mean, obviously now I run a business that covers capitalism. Right. And I think does a good job of it. But, like, on a soul level, I'm like, this is a system that is broken. The version of capitalism we have at least is, like, feels pretty broken right now. The disparity is too great. But I'm also like capitalism's biggest fan. I'm like the number one capitalism guy. Because I'm like, you could show me a set of anything. Like, you give me blank, like an object, like a shoe, a bag, a shirt, whatever you say. Show me 20 of them. I will be like, I like that one the best. And that one is going to be like $20,000. That's the most expensive of the thing. And I'm like, well, now that I've seen it, I don't want to have any of the other ones that are like, not the best one. Now I have learned through amassing an enormous quantities of shit that it does not fill the giant void in the center of my soul or my humanity. Not saying, I'm not trying to give you any advice here, but it is an empty pursuit. At some point, you can have all of the wonderful collections that you want, all the things to look at and to have and to wear and to hold. And yet it's never really solving the fundamental problem. That's how I.

[Josh Sapolsky]

You know what will fill the void?

[Josh's Friend]

Gambling.

[Josh Sapolsky]

If you hit a six leg parlay, you will feel just love, life, energy. Eat, pray, love. Just like the universe.

[Josh's Friend]

That's cocaine.

[Josh Sapolsky]

It's like the hand of God touching you. Like, I just hit this.

[Josh's Friend]

That's the dopamine in the adrenaline.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, it's the, it's the immediate dopamine rush. And then it goes away. And then you're like, oh, my God, I need a new one. I need another parlay. That's why you have to keep laying parlays. That's why I have to keep shopping every week. You're like, why do you need more clothes? And I'm like, because the dopamine wore out.

[Josh's Friend]

Sometimes cataclysmic happen, bro.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I remember my grandma was like in a hospital on like, not in great shape, but I bet on the final four and hit. And I was like, we gonna be all right.

[Josh's Partner]

I. I need you to unsay that. I say that.

[Josh's Friend]

I don't want to be harsh, but how did it work out?

[Josh Sapolsky]

I love you.

[Josh's Friend]

All right.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I mean, she passed, but my parlay hit. That's.

[Josh's Partner]

I feel like I have to go.

[Josh's Friend]

She passed, but my parlay hit get. Is a cushion the blow.

[Josh Sapolsky]

It cushioned the blow.

[Josh's Friend]

Listen, I get it. And also, listen, people are going to die. People die. You know, that's real. You have to get used to it. You have to get comfortable with it.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, cushion the blow.

[Josh's Friend]

But, you know, were you close? You probably weren't even Close. You were close.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Kind of like my other grandma. Better.

[Josh's Friend]

I got people, I got people in my family that could die and I'd be like, all right, whatever, you know, it happens, happens.

[Josh's Partner]

I've never been in my life this gagged. I am gagged right now.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm glad to bring this, to bring this out.

[Josh's Partner]

This is incredible. But you know what I will say if somebody, like, I don't know, like, if I had like a cousin of a cousin of a cousin, and like, there was like, somebody was like, I'm gonna shoot them, but here's a Himalayan Birkin. I'd be like, okay, yes.

[Josh's Friend]

Everyone has surprised.

[Josh Sapolsky]

You couldn't be that. You couldn't be that mad.

[Josh's Friend]

But I will say, okay, that's an interesting analogy because you could.

[Josh Sapolsky]

One door closes, the other door opens. The universe is fair. You're gonna take your grandma, but you just hit the six leg parlay, brother.

[Josh's Partner]

I don't know, I feel to go to church.

[Josh's Friend]

I got to tell you something. I'm thinking right now, I'm like, who would I allow to be shot for an object?

[Josh's Partner]

First and last thing, or whatever.

[Josh's Friend]

Money or whatever.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I'm not even an object. Mine is just to tell you I picked the right six players to score touchdown today.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, but, but I'm, but I'm just saying, like, your analogy is interesting because it made me, forced me to go. I'm sure there's somebody.

[Josh's Partner]

There's somebody.

[Josh's Friend]

Well, you know, I thought of somebody. I thought of somebody. We're probably all thinking of that person.

[Josh's Partner]

Donald Trump. Trump.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm not going to name names, but I'm just saying, I thought, am I.

[Josh's Partner]

Going to be on a list? Should we take that out?

[Josh's Friend]

But then I thought about it. I thought about the reality of I get the call, they turn on a video or whatever. They turn on FaceTime. They got the gun. They got the gun. They're like, hey, we're going to give you, you know, $10 million will be deposited into your bank account and we're going to eliminate this person that, that you hate or whatever. I have to tell you, I do not. I'm really thinking about, I'm going through the motions of what that would feel like. Like, I think to have. And this is so far, this is not what happened with your grandma, obviously, but to have a death on my hand seems like an impossible thing to live with.

[Josh's Partner]

No, I mean, when you really think about it. No, I would not. If it was really like, you're 100% responsible.

[Josh's Friend]

Right.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Would cushion the blow.

[Josh's Friend]

No, but like, it would help. It would help. They say money can't buy happiness, but it can ease pain.

[Josh's Partner]

I think it can ease pain. Like, here's that. If I was directly responsible, like, I would. Not like that. But if it was him. Like, if somebody had called him with.

[Josh Sapolsky]

The offer, I laughed so hard and coughed. I have to go to the bathroom.

[Josh's Partner]

But here's what I will say. If somebody had called him and said, here's the situation, and then it was on his hands, and he has to live with it.

[Josh's Friend]

Right.

[Josh's Partner]

I mean, maybe not because I'm married to him, but if it was Chris, I'd tell you to do it, and then I'd be like, can I get like, 20 bucks or something? Like, I'd be like, can I have like, a million dollars of your 10? I. I don't want it on me. I don't want it. I don't want.

[Josh's Friend]

Psychologically, you would reap the benefits of that. That.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I wouldn't.

[Josh's Partner]

Maybe not reap the benefits, but I'd be like, you should seriously consider it.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

You know, like, for me, I think I would have to pass.

[Josh's Friend]

It depends on your situation. I might. I. I'm too naturally prone to. I'm good at dealing with guilt, but. But there are. There are ways that it hits me, I think something like that I would not ever be able to let go. This is such a crazy conversation, by the way.

[Josh's Partner]

I like it.

[Josh's Friend]

We're in such a different place than I expected us to be.

[Josh's Partner]

I mean, we had a. We had a very long list of things that we wanted to talk on. We have. Not yet even. I'm sure we're not even near it.

[Josh's Friend]

This is.

[Josh's Partner]

We've gone rogue. But this is the best type of podcast when you go rogue like this.

[Josh's Friend]

Every time I ever do a show with somebody, when I've been doing my podcast, I usually have this, like, huge list of questions, and I'm like, I get to one. Like, maybe I'll get to one and two at some point. And the rest of it is just.

[Josh's Partner]

Like, yeah, you go.

[Josh's Friend]

That's when it's good.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That's when conversations are the best. When you're just unhinged, mask off, deranged. I think, like, just arranged. Like, this is who I am. I don't. I don't care about what brand I have or where I work. It's just like, no. Yeah, like that.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm trying to be. You know, I'm too thoughtful about, like, you know, I do. You know, I do have a life. I have to Think about. But I don't think I have any. I don't think I have any opinions that are so unhinged. Like, I'm not like, we were making jokes about fascism. There are people, right, they go on Twitter and they're like, they're like, you know, deport all the Mexicans or whatever on Twitter, you know, and like, and then their employer is like, you know, H and R Block. H and R Block's like, yeah, that's not really our vibe.

[Josh Sapolsky]

We're not really going to be a Jackson Hewitt.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, whatever. Like, you know, they lose their jobs. And I'm like, you just didn't have to say that. Like, you could think it.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

Like, we. We need. I do think we need to return to a time when you can think it and not say it. I feel like I don't want to try to change the subject here. But. But we're talk. Obviously talking about, like, just being open. There are things for sure that I think not like that, but there. I'm sure there are opinions I hold. If I said them, I have said them on Twitter. There have been times when I've said things on Twitter and they were about, you know, they were the right opinions in my, you know, from my stance. But there are a lot of people who, when they hear the right opinions, they don't like, like it.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

There should be like a. A very light return to shame in saying something outlandishly crazy publicly on Twitter with, like, your whole life attached to it. And if you're saying, like, deport all the Mexicans, like, yeah, maybe you should, like, have a thought before and be like, I think it's.

[Josh's Friend]

Even shame is like, we don't. You don't have to have. You don't have to think of shame to. To feel like there's a time and a place for certain dialogue and certain conversations and like, like, I think a lot of people don't know anymore because the Internet has so obliterated their view of reality that they're like, every place is the time and place for this conversation. It's like, not really, you know.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

Not go on a right wing podcast. They would love to hear that.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

You know, like, Ben, get on the Ben Shapiro podcast. He'd love to hear that.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I can't. I love when someone is unhinged at like a family barbecue. Like someone just has like a couple too many moscatos and is just like, going to say something crazy.

[Josh's Partner]

That's where Thanksgiving dinner are the origins of those.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Your uncle's Burning brontosaurus burgers. And you say something unhinged and everyone's like, but like, you sober up by Monday, you go to work. And you know not to say it at work.

[Josh's Friend]

Your family who is like, oh, this idiot.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Those are the most entertaining people in your family, right?

[Josh's Friend]

Well, yeah, it's true, it's true. I mean, I, you know, it's funny though, when I think I talk to people and they have families that are like so diverse in thought, like, so many different sides. They're like, oh, shit. Like when I go home, I got like this right wing, you know, my father's super right wing and he goes in on me about whatever and I'm like, okay. I actually don't have the experience because my family like, my family obviously, like, I was raised Jewish, I'm an atheist, but my family was like, very lockstep about fundamental stuff. And so where we would get. I remember, I remember having arguments with. We'd have like friends that came over for like Thanksgiving or Jewish holiday or whatever, and we'd have arguments about like the Israel, Palestine situation. And there'd be like some Jews on one side where it's like all Israel, and then there'd be the other Jews who are like, we need a two state solution. But that was like within a realm of basic sort of agreement on some other stuff, you know, so I'm like, where I'd hear people like my. My uncle would be like, talking about, you know, socialism and how we need to do like violent action to like change how the government operates. And I'm like, well, that's a very radical opinion, but not like within that group. Group, not radical, you know, And I think like, that's like, when you're not in that, you're outside of your group. People hear that stuff and they're like, this is the con. It's context collapse, right? Where you're just like, this doesn't make any sense to me.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I'm fine with people having crazy opinions. Have a crazy opinion in a group chat at a barbecue. It's just like, at work, be cool. Everybody at work, be cool. In the public sphere, social contract domain, be cool.

[Josh's Friend]

Right?

[Josh Sapolsky]

But like, I don't fault people for being crazy, but the po.

[Josh's Friend]

The podcast is the weird mix of a. It is a. It is work here. Like, right? Like this is a job in some way. And also it is like a friend conversation. But also it is like a public.

[Josh Sapolsky]

We have a long history because we met at Ted. We met at Ted, like 15 years ago.

[Josh's Friend]

Yes.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And I got kicked out of Ted because instead of doing one of the functions, like meeting the donors for a cocktail mixer, I went on DVD Asa with Asakira. And they were like, that doesn't align with our values. And they booted me.

[Josh's Friend]

Ted's a weird. That's a weird vibe. Vibe. That whole. I mean, I wrote about it at the time and it's like a crazy bubble. You're supposed to be. They actually want you to be like, trapped in that bubble. They're like, be inside of this the whole time. I might have actually mentioned you in the article. I'm trying to. I might have very well mentioned you now that I think about it.

[Josh Sapolsky]

But check it out.

[Josh's Friend]

You don't have to. It's like 2011. But sorry, I didn't mean to derail the absolutely unhinged we were talking about, but I was just thinking about the, the. The levels that we've hit in the conversation, which are super interesting.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, we were there and we both didn't like it. And then I just pulled the plug and did the pod. And I was talking about. About eating black bean sauce. And in. As like a. You know, we were talking about eating black bean sauce out of like human orifices. And the people at TED were just like, you cannot represent. We were talking about eating ass.

[Josh's Friend]

It's an interesting way to describe it.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

My go to is that the black beans sauce.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Black bean sauce Asian, like refried beans maybe? No, we. We all just eat like noodles with black bean sauce.

[Josh's Partner]

Oh, I thought you were like.

[Josh's Friend]

But I feel like this is a question about the type of ass eating you're doing. Really honest shower. You know, I'm just saying, like, that descriptor is very.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah. I mean, maybe people think I have black bean sauce dripping out.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, no. It went from oil can to black bean sauce. You see what I'm saying? How oil can to black meat.

[Josh's Friend]

But that's what you were talking about instead of being in the TED donor party.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, and they were just like. They were up in arms.

[Josh's Friend]

True to your vibe though, I think. Yeah, I was like, this is Than the donor party. Yeah, but you know, that's the thing with corp. Like brand shit. Right? Like, you're, you're. At some point, you're. You're in your. In your role. I mean, to a lesser extent what I do. But like, you have to work with like people who don't want to hear all your full range of like.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Well, my thing with TED was this. They purport it to be like about. Out Great minds and thinkers and speakers and big ideas. And I was like, oh, that's really cool. I got. I really like a lot of TED Talk that I went. And then they were just like, so you're gonna do this thing where there's, like, a mixer, and you're gonna talk to the donors, and this is their opportunity to get to, like, meet you and touch you and talk to you. And they were like, and you're gonna wear the name tag thing. And I was like, nah, I'm not doing it. I just. I'm not gonna do it.

[Josh's Friend]

What was your TED Talk about about? Like, you didn't do the talk right, or did you?

[Josh Sapolsky]

I. I did do the talk right, because I was like, it's important to do the talk. So I did the talk, and then I bounced.

[Josh's Friend]

What was the talk about?

[Josh Sapolsky]

I think it was. I can't remember. I cannot remember. I know I came out in an American flag poncho and.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay. Like a drug rug.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you still have that? No, it doesn't fit anymore.

[Josh's Friend]

An American flag. Anything now. But I. I be like, oh, you're maga.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I honestly can't remember what I talked about.

[Josh's Partner]

About.

[Josh Sapolsky]

But the talk is out there.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And I do remember looking at it a few years ago and being like, oh, this is. This is lightly cringe. Because I was just like, so, like, you know, the man and. Yeah, and I was like, it wasn't very measured, but they also coach you.

[Josh's Friend]

A lot in that stuff, right? They're like, we want it to be this way. There's a certain structure they coached up.

[Josh Sapolsky]

It was very iconoclastic and a talk, and it was about, like, fresh off the boat, I think.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

But, like, I can't remember the overarching theme, but, like, I gave the talk and I bounced. Yeah. You know?

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah. All right, back to your relationship. Let's get back onto some. Let's get back. So. All right, so you're gambling all the time. You're. You're. How many hours would you say you're spending watching sports on a daily basis?

[Josh Sapolsky]

Not on. Okay, Thursday, four hours. Monday, four hours.

[Josh's Friend]

That's reasonable. I play video games sometimes for, like, four hours.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, it's really. Monday, Thursday, and then Sunday, I would say 12 hours. So then I would say 20 hours.

[Josh's Partner]

And then Saturday.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay, Saturday.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I don't really watch.

[Josh's Friend]

You have a child. How old is your child?

[Josh Sapolsky]

I'm not really watching.

[Josh's Friend]

Wait. Sorry. Okay. It's just on. He's not pain.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I'm not.

[Josh's Friend]

You don't have the wings out or whatever.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, there's not like actual events.

[Josh's Friend]

Do people come over? Like, do you have a group?

[Josh Sapolsky]

Harold. Harold. Sometimes Harold.

[Josh's Friend]

What's up with Harold? Do you like, you know.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, I like Harold.

[Josh Sapolsky]

In la, my friend Jared or Mills or. Yeah, in la.

[Josh's Partner]

I like his sports friends.

[Josh's Friend]

You like them?

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, I like them.

[Josh's Friend]

Good.

[Josh's Partner]

They're cool. And I rather have. It's like, I'm like a parent who's like, if you're going to drink, I rather you do it in the house.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

Like, if you guys are going to gamble, I'd rather you do it in the house.

[Josh's Friend]

Is that specifically about him or is that for the whole group?

[Josh's Partner]

I mean, I just, first of all, like, I don't. I like it. Yeah. I just don't really want to go to anyone else's house. And then I'm like, what, are you guys going to go to a bar and do it? I'm like, if he's home, at least he can like cook a meal.

[Josh's Friend]

I hate leaving.

[Josh's Partner]

You know what I. I do.

[Josh Sapolsky]

See, this is the thing. I cook. I made a giant.

[Josh's Friend]

I know that.

[Josh's Partner]

So, like, that's the thing about you. That's the way that I've learned how to deal with it. So I'm like, if he's home watching this, if, if it comes to us, if like the boys come to us, he'll cook or we'll order. Like, I'm like, okay, then there's like, then I'm not just like home alone with our child or then doing something alone with our child. Which I don't mind. I do often, right? But I think just on the weekend. To me, I look at it as family time. So. So I'm like, okay. Then I'm like, we can just do the sport at home and then our son can be there. You can spend time with him on the off chance he wants to, like, sit in the room and watch sports. Yeah, he can, like, see, that's what I was wondering. What's going on?

[Josh's Friend]

You're trying to involve him and my.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Son likes the homies. Like, he loves Uncle Harold.

[Josh's Partner]

He likes the hanging out with the boys. He's with me a lot of the time. Or he's, you know, so that I don't mind at all. I just think the like consecutive hours, like 9am to like 11pm is just so crazy.

[Josh's Friend]

That's tough. But it's. You got mine. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a, A business interest.

[Josh Sapolsky]

The one Thing it shows, though, is I'm committed.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah. Def.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I'm a committed, loyal man.

[Josh's Partner]

Because it's every team. Like, I feel like if it was like, you know how the. What's the movie? Bradley Cooper, Jennifer Lawrence.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Oh, no. My team is the commander.

[Josh's Friend]

Silver Linings play. I bet my.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I work every game, but my heart is with one team.

[Josh's Partner]

He does refer to it as working.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I'm working.

[Josh's Partner]

He will tell. Like, he'll be watching the game. He's like, I'm working right now.

[Josh's Friend]

What's the one team commanders.

[Josh Sapolsky]

But that's code all the homies use in the chat. They're like, are you working. Are you working this game?

[Josh's Friend]

You're from. Where are you from originally? You're not from D.C. okay. Okay. So, yeah. So that's why. Right. So because I have to watch the Steelers, you got to watch the commanders. They previously were called the Redskins. That's the team.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Okay.

[Josh's Friend]

Because there's been a couple of team name changes again. I'm not an expert.

[Josh's Partner]

So it was a change.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, but Trump's going to fix that. He's getting it back.

[Josh Sapolsky]

He wants the Redskins nowhere. It.

[Josh's Friend]

Can we make the name racist again? Yeah, we'd prefer for no reason at all. It's crazy, too, how he comes up with some of this stuff.

[Josh's Partner]

He's like, it's more American, unasked for.

[Josh's Friend]

Unasked. Like. Like. Like on. On Columbus Day, he issued a whole statement. He's like, just to be clear, this is all about the Italian hero Christopher Columbus, who discovered America and is a great American, and how dare anybody say otherwise? And we're like, okay, man, that's fine. Like, like, nobody asked, really. I mean, I get. There's a few Italian people who are like, can you say something?

[Josh Sapolsky]

Okay. So I'm curious, though, as a man that doesn't watch sports and is not bringing this. This baggage into his relationship, what do you argue with your wife about?

[Josh's Friend]

Well, the relationship comes up a lot. You know, we.

[Josh's Partner]

We.

[Josh's Friend]

We've definitely had recent, very recent turbulence that has been the topic of a lot of conversation. Now, here's the thing. Laura and I are. We talk, like, so much. Like, she's a writer and an editor. She's so smart. Like, so much smarter than me. And we just fucking talk nonstop. I mean, like, I left the house and then, like, had this idea and I called her, and we spent like 20 minutes, 30 minutes while I was driving down here to, like, talk about it. We just, like, we were just talking, you know, like.

[Josh Sapolsky]

20 hours out of each week. To gamble and watch sports, work games. That's 20 hours that you guys wouldn't be stressing each other out.

[Josh's Friend]

Well, but that is okay. But that is true. Like, part. I think part of my Dr. Phil, part of my greatest. Part of my greatest problems are, like, needing that. That person. Like, having to be with a person to enjoy things. Like, I don't. I have some kind of thing where it's very hard for me to do things on my own. It's hard to envision enjoying things on my own. This is like what I was talking about in therapy where. Where he's like, yeah. I was like, well, I want to go camping. He said, you'd go camping by yourself. I'm like, do people do that? Can that be. Would I enjoy that? You know, I'm like, it's like. He's like, you know, this is. Again, he was like, that's why people watch sports. You know, I'm like, oh, okay. But so. So, yeah. So what do we argue about? I mean, we don't have. We don't argue about a lot. The arguments that we've really had, the truly horrendous bad ones, have been about the state of our relationship. The. The variety of things that I have done that have not been great in the relationship, I would say. And, you know, like.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Like dealing should have been gambling.

[Josh's Partner]

Well, don't take this advice because we still fight horrendously.

[Josh's Friend]

And gambling, I think gambling would be a preferable past. I'll just say this. Gambling is a preferable pastime to my. To my. To my bad habits. Let's put that way. So I would just say, like, you know, if gambling is the worst problem, like, you're, you know, you. At least. Least you got one thing to. That you don't have to worry about. So.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Thank you, Josh.

[Josh's Friend]

Not to be too cagey about it, but, like, you know, listen, I'm a nightmare person.

[Josh's Partner]

Evil. I know. Versus evil. I don't know. I don't know what would happen if I was like, no sports. I've tried before. I've tried to say just, no, no, I don't think so. I think it would just be something bigger. No, it would honestly probably just be that I would be receiving. Receiving multiple emails.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, I would just go to the sauna more. I would box more. I would walk around more. I physically gotta do stuff.

[Josh's Friend]

That sounds nice.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That's what I do.

[Josh's Friend]

I wish I could motivate myself to do any of the things in the.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Summer when there's no sports. I just Sauna. I walk and I box.

[Josh's Friend]

That's great. That sounds so nice. I now. I did. Now we need books. I will say I isolated myself. We moved up north of the city and to this, like, sick house. I was like, oh, my God, I love this house. I want to live there. We live. Lived in Greenpoint forever. And I do have been thinking lately, I'm like, we're really isolated up here. Like, there is no, like, convenient sauna to go to. There is no, like, you can't just walk somewhere. Like, we don't have fucking sidewalks where we live. It's like kind of a nightmare, you know? And like, now that I have. My daughter's 11, and I'm like, you know, she has, like, all these sort of cultural interests. And I'm like, yeah, you can't really exercise those interests here the way you could, like, in the city. Which is like, sort of. You know, I've been thinking about it a lot as you say these things. Like, walk around and go to the sauna. I know. That's like a hop, skip and a jump in the city, you know?

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

It's interesting.

[Josh's Partner]

I will say we. Our relationship was probably in the worst space that it ever was when we lived isolated in Los Angeles, like in the hills.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

Because there wasn't. I mean, I had moved from New York, he had moved from New York. There wasn't. Like you said, there wasn't a place to just, like, go for a walk. Yeah, there was. You could walk around the hills, but you're not getting that engagement as, like, even if I just walk out the door in New York, I'll, like, bump into somebody. Or, like, you just, like, have an interaction at the deli. You're like, of water, and then you feel better. Some guy was like, you know, the cashier was nice to you, or you held the door for somebody. Like, then you're instantly a little bit better off than you were when you. And then it's not a fight in L. A. I was like, did you just look at me that way? How fucking dare you.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Because if all you're doing is staring at the relationship, talking about the relationship, it's. You're going to go in circles. I think it's actually really helpful to, like, have things to pop out of it and pop back in and, like, have the full life. But I will go back. You say we have horrendous fights. I will say this. We had a fight right before I met up Josh for lunch. But I will say this. I don't think Our fights are that bad. They're always just one of us feels that someone is doing something that makes them feel unloved. And then all we have to do is just reconfirm. Like, I do love you and I'm here and I want to be here. And once that is honestly and addressed with, like, vulnerability, it's like, oh, we're good. That's it.

[Josh's Partner]

I agree with you. But the route that we take before we get vulnerable is horrendous.

[Josh's Friend]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

And I'm not going to, like, go into detail, but that's how. But I will say it's horrible.

[Josh's Friend]

I will say I have a lot of thoughts on this. I will say, like, one thing is, I mean, Laura and I have had some of the craziest fights, like, the craziest, craziest fights about shit that is very, very much about, like, how we feel. Not about, like, a thing like, why did you, you know, pick up the laundry? Or whatever. It's not like that. It's like, I do think it's really hard to express what you really want. And also in expressing what you really want sometimes or what you need. Need. It's like, if I have to say it, I think a big. A big thing with relationships is like, if you're like, if I have to say it, then it doesn't matter if I get it. Because, like, the fact that they didn't know that I needed it is what is making me feel aggravated. It is what makes me feel like, deep down, that that is the most upsetting part. Like, I don't want to ask for the thing. I don't want to ask for love in the way that I want it. I want you to know how I want it and give it to me. And I think, like, it is really fucking hard. Hard to one to like, experience that in yourself and to recognize it. But it's also really hard to figure out a way to say to a person without it sounding like a command or a request or feeling needy or whatever. Saying, like, this is how. This is the thing that is bringing me to this place or whatever. It's really very difficult when you know somebody really well when you've been around them all the time. It gets harder and harder in a way. There's actually a great Philip Larkin poem about this, this that. That ends with. It's about people laying in bed. And it's like, you know, it essentially says, like, we're trying to lay here in bed to say things that aren't unkind to each other, you know, like trying to, like, hold back from saying the unkind things. And I think, like, it is like the way relationships can be when you've been in them a long time and you. The good stuff is all still there. But those. Those, you know, infractions rise to the surface in a way that is really, really like, they stick with you in a way that's different once you're with somebody a long time. Sorry, I don't mean to bring this.

[Josh Sapolsky]

No, that was really awesome.

[Josh's Partner]

It was. I mean, at the core of it, it's really just goes back to. To be seen is to be loved. And like, sometimes I think we can lose sight of the little things with our partners, especially long term. When you do know someone so well.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

It cuts deeper when they don't. Like you said, when they don't see the thing that you need and you don't want to say it, you're like, well, why don't you see it? Why don't you see me?

[Josh's Friend]

It's like a combination of embarrassment and anger, right? You're like. It's like this dual thing that you're experienc. It's like. And sometimes those things are like the most personal things, right? Like, I know for me, like, there are things that even in my conscious mind I can barely access as, like, what am I missing? Why am I agitated? Why am I mad about this thing? And it's like some real kind of animal need a lot of the time where you're like, how do I. How do I met this person, has delivered it for me in the past. How do I find a way to reignite it or manufacture it or whatever it is. And it can be small, right? It's not even. I'm not talking about. About like, you know, we gotta go on a. You know, we gotta go to Tokyo. We haven't been there in a while. It's not like that, you know, it's like. It can be like the smallest thing. So anyway, I think, you know, we're talking about relationships, but that's something I think about a lot. And I'm like, how do you. How do you ask, how do you. And how do you give. It's hard a lot, actually. A lot of my arguments with Laura have been us thinking someone's thinking something. This is a classic structure of an argument where I'm like, you're upset about something. And she's like, no, I'm not. And now sometimes she is. Sometimes I'm right and sometimes she's right. When she says to me, But a lot of times it's like the asking, the being, like, pushing. Like, I'm a bully. I'm like, my family's like, we talk about everything all the time, nonstop interrupting people, whatever. I'm sure you can tell that's what's happening here. Laura's family is the opposite. Quiet, reserved. They don't really say a lot of the time what's on their mind. In a good way, sometimes, and sometimes in a bad way. And I like, she said, like, you'll like, bully me. And in a positive way. Sometimes she's like, you've bullied me into talking about things I don't want to talk about. Sometimes I'm just bullying, though. Sometimes I'm just. Just like, I think something's going on. You got to tell me. And that will be the genesis of an argument that has nothing to do with anything. Sometimes I'm right, though. A lot of the time we're pretty similar.

[Josh's Partner]

I was like, we can. I can relate to everything that you're saying.

[Josh's Friend]

When we had lunch the other day, we. It was striking how quickly we were talking about heavy shit and also how easy it was to. Not surprising, but it was just funny. Like, I mean, I've been. Because I was. Because we. You know, because I tweeted about something he wrote, and it's Was like, this guy's thinking the same that I'm thinking. And it's funny, like, yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Because also, if you get to a certain. We're like 43. 40 in our 40s.

[Josh's Friend]

My birthday is on Sunday, by the way.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Happy birthday, man.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm turning 48 years old.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Wow.

[Josh's Friend]

Which means I'm approaching 50, which sounds up.

[Josh Sapolsky]

You look great.

[Josh's Partner]

Thank you.

[Josh's Friend]

An enormous amount of plastic surgery every two weeks.

[Josh's Partner]

Let me know. Deal. We'll be there. Thank you.

[Josh's Friend]

I definitely, you know, I'm. Now you're at the. I'm at the age. You're. You're in your 40s. I know it's not polite to ask a woman, but how old are you?

[Josh's Partner]

I just turned 18.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay. That's. That's the right age to be married.

[Josh Sapolsky]

The.

[Josh's Friend]

The. You do start to, you know, I'm like, kind of anti plastic surgery because I feel like I see it and I'm like, does. Do you know what that looks like? Because that does not look like a human situation to me. Like, increasingly, I'm looking at people and I'm like, this doesn't. Doesn't look like the way a person's supposed to look.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Like.

[Josh's Friend]

Now, I'm not saying everybody who gets stuff done is like that. But there are people who take it too far. I don't want to be judgmental.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I don't have the capacity to think about this because I'm trying to be like, you think the Browns are going to win this weekend? Should I take the money line?

[Josh's Partner]

You do have the capacity to think about this. Remember the woman we saw Bristol Farms who had the best facelift of all time? I'm blown away. Kris Jenner, best face.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm Chris Jenner. She looks like her daughter. It's clear.

[Josh's Partner]

Kim Kardashian.

[Josh's Friend]

I know it's not.

[Josh's Partner]

It is the best work of all time. I, I listen, but I'm saying.

[Josh Sapolsky]

But before, before, we should ask Josh the five questions you got for him.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay. You got five questions?

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

I don't even know how they were.

[Josh's Partner]

I mean they were more tech related. Rapid fire questions. Let's do it.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Let's do it.

[Josh's Friend]

I'll do whatever.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Once Chris stands by the camera, that means.

[Josh's Friend]

Is that the signal?

[Josh Sapolsky]

You.

[Josh's Friend]

How dare you. We were in the middle of something here.

[Josh Sapolsky]

He's the light. He's special.

[Josh's Friend]

And you're impression. Do you have another person coming in after.

[Josh Sapolsky]

It's like this goes into his next bit.

[Josh's Friend]

The light is on. Yeah, you need a light. You need a light. Oh, okay.

[Josh's Partner]

So we have five questions for you. Rapid fire. They are all tech related.

[Josh's Friend]

Great.

[Josh's Partner]

I love.

[Josh's Friend]

That's all right. I'm the tech guy.

[Josh's Partner]

Let's go. Okay, so best news outlet right now.

[Josh's Friend]

Best what?

[Josh's Partner]

Best news outlet. Where are you getting your news?

[Josh's Friend]

That's a really tricky question. I mean, I read.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Just say it. He said rapid fire.

[Josh's Friend]

Rapid fire. It's not a rapid fire answer. I mean, look, news is up right now. There are lot. You have to read a lot of different sources to get the right news. I do think despite many, many, many, many, many, many problems, the New York Times still does a very, very good job with a lot of the news of the day. I think semaphore is really good. Like I know a lot of the folks over there and I think they do a really good, smart job. You know, I think what we do on the markets. Sherwood. Sherwood News is good at covering the markets in a way that this is very egotistical of me, but like nobody really covers markets for people who like started trading when GameStop was a thing. And I think that's like kind of how, how we, how we view a lot of like the audience anyhow. But so you got to read everything. This is a bad, not a Rapid fire answer.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That was the New York Times. You said semaphore. I, I, I, I respect that. And then you said Sherwood.

[Josh's Friend]

Sherwood. Because I'm egotistical. I gotta.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Fantastic.

[Josh's Friend]

I got, I gotta promote.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Be egotistical. Just don't backtrack.

[Josh's Friend]

I gotta promote. You're right. Sherwood's the best.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Sherwood's the best. All right.

[Josh's Partner]

Okay, next question. AI or touch grass?

[Josh's Friend]

I mean, it's, that's not the question. In my.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Or no bush.

[Josh's Partner]

Well, skims bush, I think.

[Josh's Friend]

I hate that. Hey, the merkin.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That's basically no.

[Josh's Friend]

The skims bush is no good. I think in the right. In the right. With the right care. Yes. And I think sometimes. No, that's good too. You know.

[Josh's Partner]

Are we talking about Bush or AI?

[Josh's Friend]

We're talking about Bush. AI.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I was just trying to help him answer the question. He chose bush. So he chose grass.

[Josh's Friend]

Like, I do think we need to. I do think we need to. We need to crank down our interest and reliance on that in the ways that we're using it right now. Because I think it is, it is not fully formed. And also it is. We need to find solutions to the energy question right now, which they are doing through nuclear, which is really interesting. But like, like our. But also, like, yeah, it needs to be better.

[Josh Sapolsky]

You see, AI is like, no Bush. It's like artificial. It's not real. It's like a false reality.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah, it's Kris Jenner's facelift. I fucking love her iPhone or something. Samsung.

[Josh's Friend]

Well, I'm actually mad at Samsung right now, so I, I have, I hate iPhones too, though, to be honest. Like, phones suck. Like, here's the thing, all phones are the same. It doesn't matter. And my answer is if you need iMessage, then you should have an iPhone because you can't get iMessage on a Samsung. But I actually do have a hacked way that I can do it. But, like, that's a longer.

[Josh Sapolsky]

My answer is Samsung because I have a pitch with Samsung to bring Wong's world back. So I'm the biggest Samsung.

[Josh's Friend]

All right. Let me tell you something, though. I'm mad at Samsung because they overcharged me for something. I bought the newest Samsung phone, so I am a fan, but, like, I'm mad a little bit, but I will.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Andrew, I think that's your fault.

[Josh's Friend]

Android is a. Android's a better platform in my opinion. It's better to use better.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Samsung's better.

[Josh's Friend]

Serious. I think it's a more enjoyable and more useful platform.

[Josh Sapolsky]

That's just I like Samsung more than Gamble.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm not saying this because he's got a deal with Samsung, though I will say I do prefer using Android to iOS. All right, let's keep going.

[Josh's Partner]

I wanted. I just. I just wanted to do a Mary kill quickly. Mary, kill Sam Altman, Elon Musk, or Zuck.

[Josh's Friend]

Jesus. I want to say that this is for entertainment purposes only. I just want to be clear 100%. Mary, kill Zuckerberg, Altman and Musk. I mean, kill Zuckerberg. I think the last two are tough, man. Fuck Musk, Mary Altman. I don't know. F. Fuck Altman. Now I'm thinking rethinking the whole thing. I don't know. It's bad. These were bad choices all around. I not want to do any of those things with any of those people personally, and I don't know who does, but, like, I think, you know, that's a tough. That's.

[Josh Sapolsky]

I'm kind of with you, though.

[Josh's Friend]

That's a nightmare. Nightmare. Blunt rotation situation.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Kills up.

[Josh's Friend]

I think he's. I think the damage he's doing is so much more subtle and so much more widespread than the damage that Musk is doing. Like, for instance, like, Musk's like, I own Twitter. It's like, well, nobody really cares about Twitter except freaks. Like, only freaks use Twitter to begin with. But the shit that the Zuckerberg controls, everybody use loses. Everybody's on. And it is very damaging. Like, scientifically proven to be damaging.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And then Musk has, like, a sly twinkle in his eye. Like, he may throw it back. You know, he may throw it back pretty hard. So I would probably Musk. I would say Sam Altman.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm like, he seems like I could.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Figure out how to.

[Josh's Friend]

He's married. He could. He could be the marrying type. You could might enjoy a marriage with him. I would still developing. Altman could become really great. He could become really awesome.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah. Captain Save a Ho. I would say, like.

[Josh's Friend]

Like, Musk went from being the great greatest.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh's Friend]

I was like, this guy's so amazing. To being like, what the happened?

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah. It's been a crazy.

[Josh's Friend]

It is like, I'm like, I don't understand, dude. Like, you had it all right and now you have it all wrong. Like, how does that happen?

[Josh's Partner]

I don't know.

[Josh Sapolsky]

And I genuinely hate Musk, so I'm like, that could be spicy, right?

[Josh's Partner]

It would be a nice hate.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Yeah.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah. It would be the best out of the three smash.

[Josh's Friend]

Very vivid mental stuff that I'm having right now. Very Vivid mental images. Was that it?

[Josh's Partner]

That was it.

[Josh's Friend]

That's it.

[Josh's Partner]

Those are our five questions. That might have been four.

[Josh's Friend]

I sounded like four to me, but.

[Josh's Partner]

I really was just most interested in the Mary kiss. I wanted to get there.

[Josh's Friend]

I'm, like, giving you about how many questions you had. I'm not terrible.

[Josh's Partner]

I could ask a lot more.

[Josh's Friend]

Okay, ask, ask. Are you gonna wrap up? Right?

[Josh's Partner]

No, we gotta wrap up.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Well, I guess. I guess I would ask one more.

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, right.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Is.

[Josh's Friend]

Oh, boy.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Okay. If you were to. Oh, I. Oh. If you had to play a sport and bet on it, what sport would it be?

[Josh's Friend]

I could say. Say some crazy shit. I like driving. But that.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Honest. Just honest question, you know?

[Josh's Friend]

Yeah, F1. But that's. I. I know it's a sport. I'm not going to say it's not, but it's. I feel like you're asking about something that would require me to be, like, on a court.

[Josh's Partner]

Yeah.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Like, play a sport. I don't think you're going to basketball.

[Josh's Friend]

I like basketball. Like, conceptually, I like it. I like it visually. I like playing it when I have played it. I'm tall, so I think. Finally answer basketball.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Okay, basketball.

[Josh's Friend]

I've also been to a Clippers game and a Knicks game, so I feel like I've got my bases covered for the coast. I mean, obviously Lakers, but whatever. You know, my. My. My dude had seats at the Clippers, so I was like, we'll go to that, but.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Nice. Yeah. All right.

[Josh's Friend]

That's it.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Wonderful. Thank you for being on the show.

[Josh's Friend]

Thank you for having me.

[Josh Sapolsky]

Incredible.